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lament cave
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bro really just replied to 7 well thought out messages with "not really" :|

grave flax
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Yo who do yall think that secret celestial dragon is at the end of reverie arc?

pure raven
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Most people seem to just kinda maliciously comply with the WG, that’s a common theme

lament cave
grave flax
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Prob some void century dude

pure raven
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And it’s something you see with a lot of good guys and bad guys

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The WG is a stick in everyone’s ass and that’s where Luffy comes in

grave flax
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Like some previous ope ope user gave him immortality and now he just takes the supreme throne ever once in a while to speak his mind

queen arrow
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I'm going to repeat what I said, idk why she got the title, she might have just liked the benefits, but she explicitly says she refuses to obey the government (which as we know, the warlord system is flawed enough and she has enough "influence" to actually do that), and she also clearly shows she'd rather lose the title than obey a government order

pure raven
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Warlords only exist to have a Yonko level group of individuals for the WG to flex

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The WG doesn’t have to like them and they don’t have to like the WG

queen arrow
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but whatever, i need to go to sleep, i still think she doesn't care about the Kuja, until she's shown caring about the Kuja

dusky acorn
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I mean, I can sort of agree with that Mate. Hancock even in Marineford showed that she's still selfish to a certain degree, and she did certain things for Luffy that would have risked her Warlord position and country as a result of that

copper frost
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i dont know, she's clearly more caring in approach to her subjects even when we saw her get back to amazon lily and she doesnt boss around much and in her infatuation, she shows more care for those subjects with regards to how compassionate she is, also, she is still willing to defend them from the marines after the dissolution of the warlords, again, you're using an introductory portrait of her to justify your argument that she doesnt care and also, you're using headcanon to imply that she doesnt care for the kuja at all

pure raven
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Boa probably cares more about ruling Amazon Lily than she does Amazon Lily

dusky acorn
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If anything falling in love with Luffy made Hancock worse for her people in a sense, she's only lucky she didn't take things too drastically for Luffy to the point where her authority would have been stripped.

pure raven
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Most people who make deals with the WG are shitty people who are between a rock and a hard place

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WG

Wild gorillas?

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queen arrow
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doesn't change my point

pastel summit
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it does. because you remove any semblance of character nuance.

queen arrow
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Nyon is still making a reasonable point

pure raven
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Boa is chaotic neutral

pastel summit
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and hancock is also displaying her mentality about ruling the country.

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Nyon did outright abandon her position as Empress.

copper frost
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shimon that's not true, she now treats her subjects compassionately, such that even her subjects take notice of the fact and they reciprocate that care even more now that she is more caring, it can be argued it made her worse in regards to getting her close to her title getting ripped from her, she is still a competent ruler when it comes down to it as such and i keep repeating this, defending her kingdom against a marine onslaught after losing her title

pastel summit
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you just think she is some kind of comically evil villain

pure raven
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Pretty sure she’s based off Cleopatra

pastel summit
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that only maintains power because she likes power, and doesn't give a shit about anyone else, just because she kicked some animals as a gag and threw out an old lady, also as a gag.

pure raven
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Who wasn’t good but wasn’t bad.

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She’s not pure evil but she’s a ruler with a big ego and a bigger simp than Sanji

pastel summit
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yeah, she does have a big ego, but not like she is tyrannical or anything.

queen arrow
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last thing i post before I go to sleep

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pastel summit
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Yes, refusing to accept a summons, because she thought she'd still be able to keep her title anyway.

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refusing summons was common for warlords, this time it just had their titles on the line.

pure raven
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This whole manga is just one big fuck you to body proportions.

dusky acorn
# copper frost shimon that's not true, she now treats her subjects compassionately, such that e...

I mean, it's true the Hancock we have now is different than the one whom we first met. Luffy changed and even rubbed off on her. Luffy was exclaiming how Hancock not caring about her "friends" who she turned to stone for breaking the law made him sick.
I suppose It fits that she adopted to a sort of kinder person that Luffy admires so he could potentially like her more in her mind, but I still stick with my other point of if things really came down to it, Hancock would probably still weigh Luffy over her own people, and that's where her love for him potentially made her more toxic in certain scenarios

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But speaking generally, yes I think she's better

lament cave
pure raven
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You’re either 8 and a half feet tall, a normal looking protagonist, or female, stuck with a forehead the size a literal beach ball

lament cave
pure raven
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Or worse...

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A lamb man.

lament cave
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yall remember hamburger man?

copper frost
# dusky acorn I mean, it's true the Hancock we have now is different than the one whom we firs...

I agree there but looking at the context of all we saw now, she is still the queen of her kingdom and not gone over the edge in regards to her dangerous infatuation for Luffy I suppose but also, she cares about her subjects enough to show that, yes, you're gonna be defended by me as your queen because the reason they appointed me is that I'm strong, she shows how much she cares by being willing to defend them even after her title has been lost

pure raven
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Is her love for Luffy really dangerous though? Like how tf they planning to reproduce?

lament cave
pure raven
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In the next Flashback arc we’ll discover that Oden went to Amazon Lily naked and fathered every single organism on the island

dusky acorn
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Definitely. Hancock takes prides in her own strength and that still extends to her country's own power too. If she was truly a horrible ruler/pirate, then she would instead be trying to make a getaway like Buggy when confronted with these marines, but she actually believes in her people

copper frost
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I suppose she cares afterall, my issue with mate's statement is that she doesn't care for them at all and that the introductory panels to her character implies all about her character regardless of how she behaves later on in the arc

pure raven
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She cares but it’s a mix between caring about herself and caring about the people.

Chaotic neutral

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what do you guys think? any theory’s on who might be a traitor

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pastel summit
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rereading the arc a bit, I think it's pretty telling that she cares. subtle things like saying "our people" instead of "my people", even the way she acts to nyon initially is just shown as a facade when we see how they act later.

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it's like the equivalent of saying zoro hates sanji because they fight and are aggressive towards each other.

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just kinda removes character nuances to say a character is shallow.

pure raven
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i feel like zoro only argues with sanji cause he’s bored all the time

copper frost
pastel summit
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ep 745 and in manga theories monkaW

pure raven
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i’m not on 745 i just haven’t updated it

pastel summit
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Just that this channel and any manga channel is generally for people caught up to the latest chapter of the manga

dusky acorn
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Well, we're in this channel for theories on the up to date manga, best to stay out of here or you're going to catch a manga mute if you go for any longer

pure raven
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manga mute?

copper frost
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Muted from all the manga channels

pure raven
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so i can’t be here until i’m caught up, and if i choose to stay i’ll get muted here

copper frost
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Yes precisely

dusky acorn
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Yes because discussion is being derailed as you can see, please just don't type anything else

pure raven
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ok

pastel summit
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well, yeah. it's not conducive to good discussion if people ask questions everyone else already knows the answer to.

pure raven
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ok i’ll go

grave flax
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I always thought of the possibility of a traitor but that doesnt seem very oda-like

dark palm
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another?

copper frost
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Another traitor would prove to be just ridiculous

dusky acorn
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Well, the theme of betrayal has been pretty prevalent in this arc, but Luffy generally doesn't ally with people who would betray him.

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Despite how some people sadly think Law would do it..

grave flax
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Yea i mean Kanjuro isnt a straw hat tho

copper frost
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Within the Strawhats?

dusky acorn
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Anyway though, it's been a pretty one-sided theme on Kaido's side mainly. It leads me to believe all their talk of betrayal will come back right at them

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Especially with how hard Kaido and Queen have been projecting it

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The most obvious assumption is Big Mom doing something like that once she learns of the poneglyph's location

copper frost
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Pretty sure, the rest of the calamities will proclaim the same, Shim lmao

pastel summit
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jack won't. king and queen will.

grave flax
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I asked this earlier but I'll ask again cause I cant really find anything on the web about it. Who do you think was the "secret" celestial dragon that sat in the empty throne at the end of the reverie arc?

pastel summit
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King and Queen already have misconceptions about the alliance. King thinks killing Momo will end the war. It won't. Queen thinks pirates are all about betrayal, and the alliance won't hold. Which won't happen.

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I'm still firmly in the camp that these 2 won't be defeated, they will run away.

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or will be forced to submit/give themselves up after kaido falls

dusky acorn
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I'm still pondering if there could be a some kind of specific pirate event that caused Kaido, Queen and potentially even King's distrusting mindset?
I guess for one thing, it could lend to the theory of Whitebeard defecting from the Rocks crew before it collapsed on its own

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But that's the kind of betrayal story that would be glorified for us readers, since we like Whitebeard

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It wouldn't exactly be an evil betrayal story from our perspective

pastel summit
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could be some of kaido's early crewmates

dusky acorn
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Also relies on the assumption that King and Queen were on the Rocks Pirates, which while somewhat likely? Isn't confirmed

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But they seem to be in his general age range

copper frost
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The most likely assumption for Kaido's mindset on betrayal might come from his experiences from the Rocks pirates

dusky acorn
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Yeah Harsh. Just due to the nature of Rocks' crew it meant he didn't really have allies who would fight with him to the bitter end.
That's already apparent by how only Rocks out of all the prominent figures of his crew died during the actual God Valley incident. Big Mom, John, Kaido, etc all abandoned that final conflict before it went too sour for them to die too, so that's pretty clear. I think at one point the crew just went full haywire and every man for themself at GV

copper frost
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Yep, agreed, do you think Whitebeard at that point was the strongest member of the crew and that's why him deflecting to the other side might come to be their undoing since Whitebeard himself is a charismatic character as much as Roger and Rocks were so some people might be followed him too?

dusky acorn
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Upon Whitebeard's possible early defection, it would not surprise me in the slightest if some like-minded crew members originally in Rocks were inspired by him as a less radical leader at the time, and that's how he kick-started his own crew in a sense. It makes sense since he has that Conquerors aura as well

copper frost
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I agree, Whitebeard following with Roger and Garp as an equal combatant against Rocks and the rest is the only part of the return to reverie thing I found genuine interest in

solar steppe
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upcoming battle tag team battle strat :
Nami & Franky
Chopper & Sanji
Robin & Usopp
Zoro & Brook
Luffy & Jimbei

dusky acorn
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The only very plausible tag teams I see with all of these listed is Jinbei and Luffy. As in, Jinbei heads up to the roof after defeating WW since he's already on the fourth floor, while the fifth floor is relatively easy to get through since there's the minks guiding the last stretch up top.
As for Brook and Robin, they're already matched together against Maria, and Nami and Usopp have no reason to split off from each other when their respective strategy is already working

solar steppe
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Didnt mention it was for wano only

dusky acorn
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In that case, what kind of future conflict may these pair ups be for? Is it just in general these being the most compatible Straw Hats to tag up with then

wooden topaz
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i dont know there was any discussion about which one Big mom Or Kaido will lose in this battle or they both ? just wondering.

dusky acorn
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It's guarenteed Kaido will be defeated among absolute countless reasons, so it isn't really something that needs exaplining. The only real question is if Big Mom's defeat will be cordial to his. There's a fair amount of evidence going for both sides, which I will briefly list

Evidence for Big Mom's defeat:

  • Luffy saying he didn't just come here to defeat Kaido, but everyone whilst saying this directly to Big Mom's face.
  • Marco saying the era would look different next time around to the Big Mom Pirates, as if they're in for a rude awakening to something they're directly connected to. Big Mom's defeat would make the quote much more appropriate rather than simply Kaido, who their crew doesn't really care about.
  • CP0 groups Kaido and Big Mom together in their "If two emperors were to fall..." speech.
  • The Straw Hats will have a cheerful invitation to Elbaf if the Giants learn Luffy defeated the person whom they couldn't even utter the name for.
  • Big Mom has a very direct connection to Kaido, unlike the remaining two Emperors, therefore her development is at a certain high right now.

Evidence against:

  • Big Mom has pretty much been unscathed for the entirety of this fight, and Luffy isn't focusing her even though he said he would defeat her. Kaido is the only one who has gotten most of the beating. It's just very hard to make Big Mom's defeat feel realistic as things currently stand.
  • She still has potential untapped development awaiting her in Elbaf
  • It doesn't really make sense for her to want to go down with Kaido to the bitter end when she is free to escape at anytime, and her betrayal is highly plausible.
    I don't happen to be on the side against her falling, so pardon me if there are other things I'm missing. All in all, I definitely see her being taken care of this arc so it can truly feel like we've wrapped up the "Yonko" Saga and move on into the final one.
wooden topaz
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very very good explanation. and if Blackbeard go to Onigashima is there any possibility he will take Road poni and kidnap robin there ??

pure raven
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so i was wondering that how did **BIG MOM **got her df and read a theory that, **BIG MOM eat MOTHER CARMEL and got her df ,so i was wondering that did BB also got WB df in same way **

dusky acorn
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Wherever Blackbeard is choosing to go, it doesn't appear to be Wano as in the most accurate translations, he said he isn't going to let the Navy reap the rewards from a certain thing. So, it's a certain place the marines are connected too, which isn't Wano since Akainu already gave orders to stay out of it.
But yes, if Blackbeard ever does get close to the Straw Hats stealing Robin is something he would surely want to do if he doesn't have a method to read ponegliffs already. Even Kaido and his crew have already tried it.

Oh, and Big Mom eating Caramel doesn't really even need to be theorised. It's mostly taken as fact by everyone as the context all but confirmed it.
Him getting Whitebeard's fruit through the same method is possible, but maybe not likely since his life had already left him by the time Blackbeard went into the cloak with him.

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Which means the fruit should have consequently left his body too by that time. Though, for one reason or another, Blackbeard felt the need to still be adjacent to Whitebeard for whatever reason, so who really knows

pure raven
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ook

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dusky acorn
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Yeah, that lends itself to the notion of Big Mom's defeat being very hard to realistically write when simply defeating Kaido on his own would have Luffy and the other 4 completely sapped. The hybrid onslaught hasn't even truly begun for us as the readers yet, so it's just really tough.
From my standpoint, there would need to be like.. 5 other comparably strong fighters to make Big Mom's fall feel realistic enough, but getting that many other strong fighters on the rooftop is hard to come by.
Well, maybe if all 3 of Yamato, Hawkins and Jinbei come to the roof (who are my most widely speculated figures to join) could make Big Mom's defeat work, but that's relying on 3 different assumptions respectively

supple nimbus
pastel summit
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it relies on them having the ability to penetrate BM's defences. It could be possible, but who knows. I still think she'll be defeated by BB. Luffy taking out every single emperor is probably something that won't be on the tables imo. Just shows the level of his determination, don't think it's necessarily something that will happen.

dusky acorn
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Oh of course, the amount of build-up that's been needed to even justify Kaido's downfall is already absurd. I can't imagine having to go through all of this three whole different times with the other Emperors.
Honestly. I don't often hear that third route of Big Mom scurrying off only to be defeated by Blackbeard later, but it can be convincing since Oda wouldn't want Blackbeard falling behind of Luffy in accomplishments, and he's supposed to always be one step ahead.

errant oxide
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I wanna see a clip of Blackbeard eating Whitebeard... head to toe.. everything. Did he take one big bite or did he savor each and every one...

dusky acorn
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If Blackbeard chose to go through some variation of the cannibalism route to gain the fruit, he would have had to eat something that couldn't be plainly seen by people, since the marines comment on Whitebeard's body being unchanged. The most common assumption for the theory is eating some inner organ, like his heart

dull pumice
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there are not many good discussions here anyways

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maybe 1 out of 28

pure raven
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what if luffy's fruit awakes

dusky acorn
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i mean, im not quite sure where that comment came from. if you want better discussions here then being an active contributor here is a nice start

exotic echo
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that's what you say after over an hour's worth of paragraphs of coherent, orderly discussion?

pastel summit
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but that's basically the premise. I don't think Luffy is gonna 1-up BB, so if Luffy is taking out Kaido, then I think BB will accomplish something similar or greater. so Luffy beats Kaido with the help of 3 other captains, and the Wano samurai, then BB beats BM with just his own crew.

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just need a reason for why BM would leave.

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as for why BB would even attack her in the first place, she has 1 road poneglyph, and if she does leave, she's definitely taking Kaido's with her. So that'd mean she has 2.

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If we assume BB has the last, then he'd have 3 after beating her.

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which puts him on equal footing with Luffy for who gets to Laugh Tale first.

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of course, the counterargument to this is that BB beats Shanks instead of BM, which can accomplish the same thing, but idk if that's gonna happen before Luffy meets him.

dusky acorn
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Yeah that's what I was thinking, so the fact that this time Blackbeard would be defeating an Emperor with no other help besides his crew, would be an amazing step up compared to only getting the final blows on Whitebeard last time.
And so you are indeed assuming he's going after Totland currently then? Also yeah, idk if Big Mom learning the location of Kaido's poneglyph would be good enough of a trigger for her to leave just like that, but maybe that could be it.

And yeah, this is my first time hearing of the theory generally lmao, but it's compelling, so I'm down for it already

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Only downside for me really is Kid, Luffy and co not getting the bounty rewards for defeating Big Mom, but beggars can't really be choosers I suppose

pastel summit
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I don't know if he's currently going for Totland. I think he may be going for something else that bolsters his current forces. Could be a weapon of some kind, or could be recruiting the former warlords.

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I think we're probably getting a little timeskip with the end-of-arc bit of Wano. Maybe a few weeks or so, by which time the climate would have shifted, and Wano news would have spread.

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and then other players would have acted based on that news, which could determine where the crew goes to next.

dusky acorn
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Only thing is I'm not sure if going out for recruits would necessarily raise his bounty as a lot of people are expecting Blackbeard's current motive would do

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But maybe if he directly fights off the buster calls/marines in the process of getting them he'd get a higher bounty, like literally going to their aid at the actual respective locations

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And yeah, definitely going to be a mini timeskip where everyone recuperates, could be as long as a week or two

pastel summit
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I forgot what the updated text for 925 was, but yeah. based on the old text "if the navy is just going to take it, I might as well claim the prize", could be related to the Marines taking victory over the Warlords, and instead of them just being defeated pirates, use the opportunity to recruit them to his crew. The 2 most likely ones obviously being Buggy and Weevil. I can imagine Bakkin convincing Weevil that joining BB will be good.

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and probably that coming to bite him in the ass later on.

dusky acorn
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Oda has Post Arcs happen relatively often, and Wano with the length it is is practically begging for one. Depending on if we have no more act intermissions between now and the end of Wano, the interlude could be very huge at the end

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Yep, agreed

copper frost
pastel summit
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Ah. Yeah. Still fits. He plans on gaining something based on what the Marines are doing

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so the 2 options that we know of currently are whatever the fuck happened in Alabasta, or the Warlords. 3rd option is something completely unknown.

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and then using whatever it is that he gains to further his status/goals.

wise trail
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It might be sabo's devil fruit?

pure raven
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no i don't think he will go 2 such risk only 4 sabo's df there can be many other things, but the way he says** reward** it really sounds metaphor 2 sabo's df ,but we never know cause navy also have a poneglyph in possesion of imu

white merlin
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So has anyone mentioned that the return of Oden could possibly be the old bat in disguise?

pure raven
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"old bat" ?

white merlin
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I forget her name, but the old lady that could change her appearance into anyone

pure raven
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She died

white merlin
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She did... must of missed that. Ok forget I said anything

dark palm
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She had the mane mane fruit, which is now in possession of Bon Clay

pure raven
dark palm
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He’s alive BennGun

white merlin
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I thought they were two different fruits... she must have had better control than what bon bonhad

dark palm
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they did the same things

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Here’s a panel btw

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white merlin
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Couldn't she change her whole appearance while bon could only change his face? Or am I miss remembering

dark palm
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Bon could do his whole appearance too, flashed Luffy and Sanji as Nami

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Also fully transformed into Magellan when fooling the marines

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We saw a cover story of him, level 5.5 queen now

white merlin
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Oh well than I'm miss remembering sorry

pure raven
opaque lintel
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i think the old lady is dead but oden never said anything about her

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*oda

lilac mirage
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didnt kaido kill her?

pure raven
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indeed

dark palm
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@pure raven

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supple nimbus
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Bentham has her fruit, so she's dead, yeah Kaido killed her off

dark palm
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Magellan had no reason to kill him there, probably stuck him in level 5/6 and he got freed

opaque lintel
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@supple nimbus when did kaido kill her?

supple nimbus
opaque lintel
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yeah

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but i think it could be oden himself because kaido said that he would never kill someone with a strong sake

dark palm
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@opaque lintel

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pure raven
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why kaido is sorry

waxen light
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cause it ruined their fight

pure raven
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oh

remote root
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Oden was forcing kaido to losing maybe kaido would have had fought back but never got the chance cause her trick. This puts tag of loser who cheated on him forever which he can not remove now.

pure raven
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i was just wondering if law can one shot kaido by swapping his soul like he did with sh's at punk hazard , so can he ?????

warped wagon
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Laws fruit is absolutely overpowered same as Robins fruit

hollow grotto
# pure raven why kaido is sorry

It might, with no factual evidence to support this of course, have hit a soft spot with Kaido regarding his relation to Yamato.

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Of course other than it just ruining the fight

molten wolf
cyan berry
dull pumice
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and possibly saved him from losing right then and there

thick sky
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Just watched Mr. morj's video on latest chapter. Couldnt move past first few minutes

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I mean, why do people even think that it is tamas teapot

dull pumice
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Yeah as a long time viewer and someone who likes his analysis videos, that was hard to watch

thick sky
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yea, It felt straight up bs

hallow spoke
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So what do y’all think gonna happen in next week chapter

covert hazel
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Oda apologises

hallow spoke
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Think it gonna start off with Oden

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Beating jack ass for Neko dog and the rest of the furries

magic current
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but still yea doffy prolly stronger

magic current
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which narrows it down so much, it can only be gyukimaru, teapot, kanjuro if hes alive, bon chan, or an illusion

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def wont be bon chan tho

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so gyuk and teapot (assuming the scabbards didnt fail every single thing they attempted this war lmaoo) are the only ones left

fluid wren
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I think it was copy of real Oden. The power of Lady Toki was to "send a copy of real human to specific time ahead".

The human that was previously copied with her power will sic and die.

Oden was sent to this time event, the past oden was dead after orochi shoot his head. But if the bullet not kill oden that time, oden will sick and die.

like roger.

i belive roger will appear too, near the end of OP.

the past momo and kinemon also dead in the castle that time.

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how bout that theory?

warped wagon
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I hope not

lyric dust
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i really hope that does not happen

warped wagon
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What is the purpose for the Story of oden being in the current timeline?!

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Just let it be the most logical one aka Onimaru and I am happy 😂

cyan sand
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can't wait for it to actually be oden

lyric dust
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i hate how the fandom just assumes toki has every single fucking power in the world lmfao, "TOKI CAN SEND FUTURE PAST AWAKENING COPY COPY LIGHT SPEED INTO FUTURE Pog "

cyan sand
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but you ARE laughing your ass off

tired osprey
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i mean, look at all the shit doffy, big mom and moria can do

warped wagon
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Real oden would fuck up the whole Story passt Punk Hazard

tired osprey
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it wouldnt

cyan berry
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it would

warped wagon
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Partly

cyan sand
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but what do we think of oden only temporarily being there or as some kind of visage from toki?

lyric dust
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i became doflamingo like yesterday, was swinging on buildings in my dream, shits was crazy

cyan berry
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Oden has been the sole driving force of the scabbards ever since Punk Hazard

warped wagon
cyan berry
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him coming back would ruin all of that

cyan sand
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@warped wagon what do you mean no use?

warped wagon
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His Story is completely finished with a great End
Why Ruin this?

warped wagon
tired osprey
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he would say some important shit

cyan sand
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couldnt you say the same for all flashbacks then, im saying that he still died but either in the time before his execution toki used her powers to send them into the future or as some message from toki

warped wagon
tired osprey
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because thats the reason he is there

cyan sand
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to motivate the scabbards

tired osprey
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motivating is kind of weak, i bet itll be somesthing way more important

warped wagon
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His Death was more then enough Motivation

tired osprey
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theres gotta be a real purpose, something that wouldnt come forward in the story unless he is there to tell it

undone oriole
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What if Oden come to the future before he died and after this he must come back to die in past? It would require time travel back but maybe toki awakening?

cyan sand
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i think you could apply this way of thinking to almost anything then

warped wagon
tired osprey
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odens plan was never for the scabbards to defeat kaido, that was the newcomers job, the scabbards job is to open the border

worldly anvil
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I thought toki power was only going forward in time not backwards

fluid wren
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Oden was really like new things, he just want to see the dawn of wano. and meet the man who roger talk about.
Oden was simple minded man, he never have a plan to motivate his man.

warped wagon
worldly anvil
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insane if oden alive

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after getting shot in the head and being boiled alive

undone oriole
worldly anvil
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hmm

warped wagon
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It would be very Bad if he is alive

worldly anvil
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it makes more senses that there multiples df for time travel

warped wagon
undone oriole
pure raven
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Don't spoil other series here please.

pure raven
worldly anvil
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I don't see it being onimaru tho

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yet 500 people do

warped wagon
worldly anvil
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hmm

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question is why would he do that?

warm hollow
worldly anvil
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Its make no senses

warped wagon
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He wanted to Help tue scabbards the whole time

cyan sand
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about momo's devil fruit it kind of makes sense that it's not a failure, considering that it was still being kept in a glass container by itself, and wasn't just thrown out, if it was a failure

warm hollow
warped wagon
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He wanted to Help kawamatsu, his only friend alive

warped wagon
worldly anvil
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but why change to oden?

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I feels like that's disrespectful

warm hollow
warped wagon
warped wagon
warped wagon
warm hollow
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I doubt those are the only explanations

warped wagon
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What you mean?

warm hollow
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Tama's teapot is a just as good if not better explanation than onimaru is what I mean

warped wagon
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I watched the first 10 Minutes, it just Sounds like bs😂
I dont see, why a teapot should be more useful than Onimaru, someone who can really put a fight

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In the End, anyway we have to wait

worldly anvil
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for another week pain

warm hollow
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Onimaru can put up a fight against who exactly

vital thicket
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What if oden is ghost i liked the theory about fire festival is related to souls of dead and the tree which big mom destroyed also related to souls

warm hollow
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Unless ghosts in wano all have buttchins, that ain't oden chief

vital thicket
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Being fake is so obvious i really want something odd to happen

warped wagon
warped wagon
warm hollow
warped wagon
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And again, he is probably linked to Zorros backstory so I absolutley welcome him on Onigashima

vital thicket
warm hollow
warped wagon
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Yeah but this could also fit to Hiyori or to the similariities between Hiyori and toki
But yeah, tbh Toki I would accept as 1004 Silhouette, her "dead" was weired
But otherwise, Orochi would not sit still, when they didnt find any corpse or?🤔😂

warped wagon
warm hollow
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Nah fam that doesn't prove anything, that whole shimotsuki side story happened entirely in SBS, need I remind

vital thicket
warped wagon
ancient vault
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Hiyori is just a copy of TOki FujiLUL

warped wagon
vital thicket
warped wagon
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Yeah thats the theory
Maybe she Covers herself somehow, maybe even as Toki
Maybe she says, that she and Oden (Onimaru) somehow survived

warm hollow
vital thicket
warped wagon
warm hollow
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And that's irrelevant?

warped wagon
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I mean dont get me wrong
Its not plot relevant, it is Canon and its Part of the Story for sure, but why should a character this important like Odens copy be named in a SBS

warm hollow
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Why wouldn't it be

warped wagon
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Cause not everyone read the sbs lol
And like I said it is Canon, sure, but this is a absolute important character, highlighted as cliffhanger

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It is more likely to assume its Onimaru, who already was highlighted as a character Who wants to Help kawamatsu and Who has an open Storyline
What is even the purpose of teapot helpinhg out as Oden in Onigashima? Why didnt he transform earlier or more often?
Even though its interesting imagining the teapot that cant Boil anymore, hides as Boiled Oden lol

bitter condor
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Uh, okay, so I got a super dumb question.
Chapter 1. Page 2, panel 2: "One year ago..." (1 year from present)
Chapter 1. Page after Luffy and co. silhouettes watch Shanks sail off; "Ten years later"
I fail to understand what year we're in - because it sounds like the narrator is telling One Piece as if its happening 9 years in the future.

sand sail
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It is. The first time skip occurs in the first chapter, the series starts with Luffy as a 7 year old. Ten years later, he sets sail.

polar bison
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I really like this theory, but I’ve got to be honest - I think it does make me like the Cerberus BB theory more too, and I’m not sure how I feel about that.

copper frost
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He sets sail at 17, as did Ace, in order to honour what Sabo said about the noble coming of age and how he wanted to sail out at 17 before he does become a noble

polar bison
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I like the cannibalism play for rocks, gives big mom a parallel to him that’s just her own among his crew members. much like kaidou has his obsession with survival of the fittest mentality and WB has his rivalry with Roger.

queen arrow
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the "one year ago" is saying that Shanks arrived at Luffy's home island 1 year before Luffy stabs himself

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then 10 years after that Luffy sails off

fallow lantern
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and shiki has unparalleled swag SmugPepe

sturdy hawk
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Keep pushing, only a bit until the Rocks flashback and we will see him 😩

thick sky
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why did oda introduce shiki and not have him in the story

polar bison
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for a movie

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it was called strong world and came out like 10 years ago

warped wagon
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Wasnt strong world based on chp 0?

weary cliff
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Yeah, that was the lead in for the movie

kind gate
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Yo are there any characters who can change shape or change appearance that are related to bigmom¿

warped wagon
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Someone was mentionimg Brulee earlier

pure raven
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Not really? The only person who can change their body actively is Smoothie imo, but that's just their physical shape, not appearance.

warped wagon
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But no, we dont know anyone

pure raven
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I guess Peros can make candy people too, since he can also make stairs and huge walls, but it'd probably be candy-textured

warped wagon
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Yeah I mean Cracker can maybe generate different kinds of Cracker soldiers

pure raven
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@knotty ginkgo Keep it serious in this channel pls

kind gate
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How does brulees powers work exactly

knotty ginkgo
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ok

ancient vault
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I had the exact same thought when writing it

kind gate
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Imagine bigmoms remaining crew is working to find the poneglyph.
Is there an Oden statue in wano or something ¿

hollow grotto
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There's probably an explanation for this, I just need to clarify since I'm a little confused, but why does Izo say, "We only learned of Lord Oden's death several years after it happened" while then having Marco say to him, "Look, I love Oden, but word from Wano doesn't travel out of the country"? This is under the assumption that they're referring to Oden's death. I'm probably overlooking something but those two lines feel entirely contradictory to each other since we know that Marco and Izo were both present in that scene from Chapter 999

unknown.png
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Just need some clarification as I'm a little confused, thanks :)

kind gate
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Seems like Marcos talking about the situation in the land of wano. Like how bad Kaido made the lives of the people
I’m referring to the first Marco panel

hollow grotto
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That's probably what it was, but why mention Oden specifically? I'll have to read more of source A's chapter to get context on it again

night jewel
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well there is a pretty simple explanation for this, izo sent someone to wano to confirm it for him

ancient vault
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I just relaised

warped wagon
ancient vault
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It literally makes 0 sense that that person is Izo now. Unless stephen fucked up

kind gate
night jewel
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lol there is literally no one else with them, and if there was, he would be in the raid right now, its without a doubt izo

hollow grotto
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Thanks for the help, it just confused me lol

night jewel
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I wonder tho, will that izo thing be brought up again? who could he have sent? probably irrelevant but still

hollow grotto
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Was it mentioned that Izo sent someone or are we just making that assumption?

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I don't remember.. ViviThink my god, I'm a complete novice at this

ancient vault
night jewel
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assumption

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but its the one that makes the most sense

hollow grotto
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I will say that the kimono doesn't match at all to what we see of Izo's outfit but that could have easily been an error, so there's no need to jump on the tinfoil hat train yet.

night jewel
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keep in mind that while wano has its own version of snails, the range is pretty small as well, so calling someone outside is also impossible

hollow grotto
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yeah, that's true

ancient vault
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Wait so izo sent someone sfter Odens death some time between 20 and 3 years ago

night jewel
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yup

ancient vault
night jewel
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well, they have been using the wano snails too, in udon even queen was using them

ancient vault
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Who got his hands on the snails

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Nah they also use normal ones. Otherwise Kaido wouldnt have been able to talk to BM or Drake to Corby etc.

night jewel
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ah yea, good point

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although, i dont think a beast pirate would do that, cant really think of someone who turns out to be secretly connected with the Whitebeard Pirates

hollow grotto
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So those two points aren't contradictory? I just need to confirm as it really did make me think back when Chapter 999 hit

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It just felt really odd considering the theories around that potentially not being Izo, but there's been no sign of another member on that ship so its very tinfoily to talk about lol

night jewel
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if izo sent someone to wano then yea, they dont contradict each other

hollow grotto
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Hmm, alright

ancient vault
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You think so arsal

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Or rather someone escaped wano again and gave them the news?

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Looking for Izo since hes one of Odens retainers

hollow grotto
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Do either of you know the context behind their conversation in Source A?

night jewel
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seems a little weird to have some secret guy on the ship and not reveal it, who is very likely to be an ally as well, so i dont think its anyone other than izo

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its in chapter 982 iirc

hollow grotto
night jewel
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np

ancient vault
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Are you referring to the "im suprised you got involved"?

night jewel
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seems a little weird to have some secret guy on the ship and not reveal it, who is very likely to be an ally as well

hollow grotto
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I don't know, just feels like a really weird spot that rubbed me the wrong way when I was reading it, since we knew it was Izo. I felt maybe that scene from chapter 999 was hinting that something was up, but I could just be reading into it a bit too much. I can't wait until the colour schemes are shown for that scene and we can put it behind us.

night jewel
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and eh, it could be someone from inside wano as well, but we dont know if anyone left wano in all these years

ancient vault
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Izos line in that panel most likely refers to weevil. If it doesnt then this person being izo eoulf be pretty weurd

night jewel
hollow grotto
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Thank you, mine was really off lol

ancient vault
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yes im going by the viz tl. The other makes it really different

night jewel
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npnp

hollow grotto
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I guess it does have some room for thought but the last time I mentioned any possibilities about it not being Izo here I got melted

ancient vault
warped wagon
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Thats a pretty nice theory

hollow grotto
night jewel
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I want to say that they learnt about it from Ace, but you know, would it really take them THAT long to find out about it?

hollow grotto
night jewel
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oh right, nvm then

hollow grotto
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Since they're discussing why they wouldn't just rush in and attack them

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yeah, no worries - I'm just going to play devil's advocate for a little and try to conjure up a tinfoil hat theory

ancient vault
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thx to u to fortsy

pure raven
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Zoro getting conqueror's isn't bad but giving him a fruit? cmonbruh

obtuse void
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I like how people here gatekeep theories so much and any far fetched theory are treated as troll theory , no wonder nobody can guess oda

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u mean like how luffy beat the main villian of every arc ?

pure raven
spiral canopy
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Has oda said which fruit zoro would have if he had one?

pure raven
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at least explain why you think he's likely to get it/why you think he'll get it

spiral canopy
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Oh thats sick

pure raven
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Would have had** Kaido's fruit

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Just strikes me as very odd when people like @obtuse void come in and suggest I'm gatekeeping theories when I'm doing the complete opposite, and the whole purpose of 'serious theories only' is to promote more lengthy and nuanced discussion.

obtuse void
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im not talking to you exactly but I see any theory that may seem weird are just getting tagged with "Serious Theory Only"

hollow grotto
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I'm under the belief that any theory shouldn't be discredited unless it can be proven wrong, but that also allows for some really odd ones to come through that unfortunately are bound to be mocked.

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It's easier if I just clarify that I'm going tinfoil hat theory mode NamiGrin

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Fair enough. I want to make more lengthy discussions as seen in the pinned comments but a lot of the time, there are flaws that completely destroy the theory.

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And then there's the worry that you got all your facts right, as well as the criticism towards the idea

pure raven
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There's really nothing stopping you from coming back with a version 2 of your theory

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People don't immediately bust out a flawless theory 1st try

hollow grotto
lament cave
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what if since orochi is a hydra you cant kill him by cutting off his head?

blazing fable
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I believe kaido will get onigashima all the way to the capital and may or may not destroy the tree. For sure momo is gonna pick it up from where ever it is and drop it somewhere else tho. My main support is from the fact that cp0 is so specific in saying momos df a copy of kaidos. I don’t know if it will happen while momo is so young but it will a defining moment in him taking power and respect in wano.

lament cave
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since thats how hydras work

willow idol
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well he isnt really a hydra

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he's based on a yamata no orochi

lament cave
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that makes a lot of sense

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maybe hes getting involved in whatever blackbeard and the marines are doing

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cause shanks is the kinda guy who knows a threat when he sees one "blackbeard" and might be planning to try and take him down

weary cliff
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Shanks is a shill for the status quo. He knows BB is the biggest disruption and will try to counter him

obtuse void
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"Yea the characters we built up for 20 years ? ye they lost and ded cya"

pure raven
obtuse void
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I mean there's no arguing with that

pure raven
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"What if Oden froze a sperm sample before he died and toki survived and took it to Germa 66 and asked them to use it to clone Oden"

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Ok well that's the last I'll say on this

obtuse void
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well there is a 0.0000000000001% possibility tho

velvet shale
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Imagine a transponder snail zoan df

lament cave
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i think its oden just cause he was able to predict outsiders arriving in 20 years, i think he was sent to the future and brought back somehow for him to come to that conclusion

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what if go d. usopp ate it

velvet shale
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Honestly though something like a leader of transponder snails that can create fake calls, Alter them or listen to what people are saying through them

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The guy would bring marines to ruins

lament cave
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dial dial fruit would be cracked

velvet shale
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Impel down security breakdown and marines unable to communicate and unable to do buster calls even

obtuse void
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still waiting for water/earth/wind logia fruit to appear

velvet shale
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Water might be the biggest anti df df user in op history

lament cave
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guessing water wont happen for decently obvious reasons

obtuse void
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dang wish there was maybe fish zoan/water logia that are exception to the rules

lament cave
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you produce water and then start drowning lol

pure raven
velvet shale
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I mean controlling water would make you unable to drown but you will fall

lament cave
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i dont think controlling water would give u gills

velvet shale
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So if they jump in the sea and controlled all the water to get out of their way they'd fall to the bottom

lament cave
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ohh thats what u mean

obtuse void
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yo logia can control element not created by them ?

lament cave
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i think i prefer aokiji being the closest to water we can get

lament cave
obtuse void
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then yea u can control water to move away from you

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cool , will not happend tho

lament cave
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eats all 3 cause hes hungry and lost

fair cobalt
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And lives

hollow axle
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!headcannon only ussop is thick just stop

lone hedgeBOT
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TYPO IN THE CHAT, GET THEIR ASS

fair cobalt
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Also Serious theories only

copper frost
obtuse void
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No active mods , so this is our turf now

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Now here's a good theory , Imu wil be the final villian

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after they beat blackbeard which they already beaten admirals

lament cave
tepid hinge
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so if Kaido was defeated 7 times, and captured 18 times in the past, i get how people captured him by drugging him or other things like that, but (i forget chapter number forgive me) he saw 5 people who could defeat him Roger, Newgate (Whitebeard), Rocks, Oden and Shanks. Who else do you think defeted him? Sense there are only pirates behind him i would assume Garp and Sengoku but who else do you think this could be?

obtuse void
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Garp and Sengoku have to fight age first

tepid hinge
visual merlin
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Could've been anyone really, he wasn't always yonko kaido, maybe he's been beaten by lesser known pirates before, maybe lesser known marines too, and I don't think those 5 necessarily all have defeated him

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especially shanks, dunno when he'd have beaten Kaido

tepid hinge
lament cave
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why didnt the navy ever try to simply drown the captured kaido

visual merlin
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Yea but that lasted less than a day and shanks came to marineford with zero injuries, I highly doubt he's capable of beating kaido that easily

tepid hinge
tepid hinge
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oh and fish fish fruit

lament cave
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or the koi fruit is cracked i can see that

tepid hinge
visual merlin
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but yea honestly could've been anyone, his 7 defeats could've been like, Whitebeard, maybe Roger/Garp (Gods valley), Kong, Random pirate#1, Big mom, Random pirate #2, #Random vice admiral/admiral

obtuse void
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damn nobody here claim mihawk is stronger than all yonko combined yet ?

visual merlin
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why would they

tepid hinge
obtuse void
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lul people overhype mihawk , just watched a video that say mihawk can beat current zoro with that pocket knife

tepid hinge
visual merlin
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ah, I mean I definitely think the defeats were spread around his life. Especially since I don't think he'd be getting defeated 7 times in the past few years, or even get the opportunity to considering yonko don't interact with each other much, and the marines avoid them

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so there wouldn't really be anyone to lose to, at least that's what I think

lament cave
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yanko

tepid hinge
lament cave
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i think mihawk probably just rivals current shanks and shanks let him have the strongest swordsman title since shanks got emperor

obtuse void
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I think shank stronger than mihawk

lament cave
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isnt it canon that they are recurring rivals

tepid hinge
tepid hinge
ancient vault
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Wouldnt that mean that Imu if awakened or sth could see everything?

obtuse void
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Black Beard > Kaido > Big Mom > Shanks , thats my yonko power tier list

tepid hinge
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Imu is secretly the narrator?!?! xD

tepid hinge
lament cave
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personally feel like bb isnt kaido tier yet and it makes since cause even luffy cant beat kaido unless its a 5-6 v 2

obtuse void
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I think shanks crew will be too tired to fight so many people at once thats why i put him last

lament cave
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nvm@ignore what i said

tepid hinge
obtuse void
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lol now that i think of it having 1/10 of a random yonko's strength is enough to dominate paradise

pure raven
tepid hinge
lament cave
tepid hinge
wind geode
warped wagon
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Thats a nice theory, great

visual merlin
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yea, and he only cancels it while he is touching you

tepid hinge
lament cave
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kaido can probably beat bb though, has more defense and idk if we can say bb has much defense against blunt physical attacks

wind geode
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Kaido is super fast to

lament cave
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like in a one on one

wind geode
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Luffy couldnt full dodge kaido thunder bagua

lament cave
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unless yami yami has some power we dont know about yet cause even akainu tanked a full earthquake to the head

tepid hinge
obtuse void
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I dont think its speed , emotion forced luffy to just rushed to him without thinking

tepid hinge
obtuse void
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can u use gura on another person's organ if so that would be op af

visual merlin
lament cave
tepid hinge
tepid hinge
lament cave
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i hope kid can do something useful in the fight cause so far he doesnt have any ryuo or special techniques that let him get through kaido like gamma knife

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what if he learned how to control the iron in peoples blood 👀

tepid hinge
lament cave
visual merlin
lament cave
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also it made me happy to see that apoo and kid are actually strong and luffy didnt just shoot past them

tepid hinge
lament cave
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i wonder what garp was thinking when luffy just kinda stopped existing for a hot minute

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cause he was super prevalent for 4 months (i think) then just disappeared

craggy pumice
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it was more like 2 weeks

tepid hinge
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i mean he knew he was alive, but i feel like rayleigh and garp would have seen eachother (bc garp knew rayleigh knew where he was and they are old 'friends')

lament cave
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forgot about garp and rayleigh

tepid hinge
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most people only think of Garp and Rogger but those two still knew eachother and talked multiple times

loud ibex
#

there’s new leaks lol

tepid hinge
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this early?

loud ibex
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Idk if it’s real or not it’s probably fan made

tepid hinge
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i mean its 10 days before so i wouldnt doubt

pure raven
dusky acorn
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DM me the supposed leaks Deck, don't discuss spoilers in here, real or fake

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And if it's fake you may be punished for posting them in #spoilers

loud ibex
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Yeah I know I didn’t put anything out there or talk ab it

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I dm u

ancient vault
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@dusky acorn Is it real? Should I be worried of getting spoiled this week? BuggyMonkaS

dusky acorn
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Oh na don't worry, they were just some fan drawn panels

sacred hawk
#

So here's something neat I noticed. I was rereading act 2, and saw this page:

unknown.png
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He say he's too old to fight, but he showed up on Onigashima anyway

proud tree
cyan berry
#

this fight is really just that important to them

dusky acorn
#

Oh, nice catch. This is the first I've seen someone point it out.
I suppose the old man was reluctant at first since he didn't know just how big of an effort this raid would be, but since they actually got weapons and cleared his doubt, he chose to go since things turned out as best as possible.

queen arrow
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man that's cool

cyan berry
#

these tiny details you wouldnt notice on a first read are the reason why i love oda's writing so much

sacred hawk
#

Also, another thing that I don't see people mentioning.

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Marco's blue flames help to delay the ice oni transformation, but since it works on stamina, retaining your humanity takes a massive amount of endurance. Which makes it much more impressive that Chopper was able to mass produce the cure

unknown.png
pure raven
cyan berry
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Please no bullshit magneto powers in one piece thanks

pure raven
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Why not ? I think it’s cool

cyan berry
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If you have a character that can do anything based on the single fact that "every person has iron in their blood" then what's even the point of anyone trying

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At some point Kid would just become a Yonko on that alone

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Coolness is never an excuse for bad writing

pure raven
#

Magneto was able to control the iron in ones blood ?

cyan berry
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I do not know for sure but based on what I know of X-men, I would not be surprised at all

pure raven
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You re basing your thought on false assumption

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Neither can do that, if so it sucks, I agree

cyan berry
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Ignoring the Magneto comparison, you are saying that Kid suddenly getting thr ability to control the iron in people's blood would not be stupidly broken?

pure raven
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No I agree with this statement

waxen light
#

Magneto has done that before, yes.

pure raven
#

I think kid will improve by awakening his fruit

waxen light
#

In the comics and in the second movie I think? I remember that's how he got out of jail. Took one of the guards' iron from his blood to escape.

pure raven
#

Wrong

cyan berry
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He can improve it the same way Luffy has done in the past: figuring out new and creative ways to use his powers

pure raven
#

Rewatch the movie wanze

cyan berry
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And we already see him do that, dude made a fucking mech out of scrap metal he collects

pure raven
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Y but I think he will awaken the fruit

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Don’t know what this will improve thought

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Irrelevant

dusky acorn
#

The main thing Kid's fruit awakening would do is being able to build up a bigger mass with materials like wood and stone, but it's not like most objects such as those would be any tougher than metal already is, so it wouldn't be too defining for his strength.

Though, for one thing I suppose the awakening would open the possibility to completely dismantle Onigashima as we know it depending on his magnetic range, and it would finally dispose of the opinion that Kid is bad without metal, since he can control virtually anything.

It's clearly not likely to happen just because of the sheer anomaly of the development, as we've never witnessed a fruit user actually in the process of learning to awaken or why it happens, but his awakening among many other fruits in the series is actually quite writable.

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And I'm of course comparing his to more abstract fruits like Toki's, Senior pink's and Hawkins which are complete chores to even think about how their respective awakenings would even work

pure raven
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I'd prefer Kid's awakening to be the ability to mold/shape magnetic objects because putting magnetic material in an oscillating field creates heat

somber marten
#

I think IF this is Oden. We are getting a flashback next chapter with Toki's side of the story. And a lot of time travel stuff will be resolved.

kind gate
pure raven
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I could probably list about 100 devil fruits that have nothing to do with heat.

dusky acorn
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I mean, if anything I suppose Kid unlocking some heat related power or move would fit with his jolly roger design BrookShrug

pure raven
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The process involves coiled Wire and produces Heat

gilded wagon
#

If Kid were to have an awakened devil fruit I could honestly just see it being him becoming like king midas

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Like grand tesoro or whatever that dudes name was

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Pretty much be a combination of the two most recent movie villains

queen arrow
#

Gild Tesoro, and his awakening was just "do everything i can already do better" iirc

gilded wagon
queen arrow
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which makes his awakening even more weird don't you think

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also i don't think he's based on King Midas, or at least i'd like a source on that

lunar shell
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Kid will awaken his fruit and beat BM up

alpine hill
#

Imagine if he could actually alter the materials he gets themselves e.g changes state of them, so it heats them up and melts the metals

lunar shell
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Nah he will just make his surrounding magnet and propulse himself or other for big damage

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If he make himself and a rock positive and negative magnet ti like avoid an attack, then he change the rock that was negative into positive magnet he is propulsed

gilded wagon
queen arrow
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he doesn't turn things in to gold, he controls gold

queen arrow
weary cliff
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Can't he sort of make people gold with his dust?

queen arrow
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he can cover and imprision them with gold dust, but he's not transforming then into gold with a touch

gilded wagon
lunar shell
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Who cares about molding metal. That wont beat BM

queen arrow
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not semantics, controlling gold is not transforming things in to gold

gilded wagon
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This conversation

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queen arrow
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again, Gild Tesoro doesn't turn things in to gold

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which is the only "power" that King Midas had

gilded wagon
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If I cover a stone statue with a thin layer of gold, vs making one out of gold, in both instances was a gold statue not created? You think one of the most famous stories ever didn’t have an influence on a history buff like oda? Can you really be this difficult about something that matters so little?

cyan berry
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this is less of an argument and moreso you calling someone an idiot for disagreeing with you.

gilded wagon
cyan berry
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what do you think obtuse means

queen arrow
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there's no mention of Gild Tesoro having any influence from King Midas anywhere, and the fact that things where completely turned in to gold was a huge deal in King Midas' story, so i don't think there's a reference unless you can find a source for it being a reference

gilded wagon
gilded wagon
queen arrow
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i didn't mention anything about powerscaling

gilded wagon
# queen arrow i didn't mention anything about powerscaling

It’s the fact that you’re replying to me looking for statements and source like I need to be referencing a quote from Oda’s legal team and not just making a connection between Greek mythology and modern work. The man has already referenced Greek mythology before with Boa handcock and the Minotaur from impel down

alpine hill
pastel summit
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just like how magnets existed before magneto, gold existed before king midas. having an ability to manipulate gold can just come from the idea gold is a substance that exists, and manipulating it could be a power.

lunar shell
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Too bad BM isnt metal made

pastel summit
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not necessarily a reference. You'd need more ground than just "both gold"

gilded wagon
pastel summit
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very different to the Boa sisters who have much more going for them, or the minotaur in ID which is blatantly called Minotaurus.

lunar shell
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? Wapol would be a toy for kid to play with

gilded wagon
lunar shell
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Me too

gilded wagon
lunar shell
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Df of kid control someone who eat the fruit of wapol

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Also its weird kid can't control pacifista right ? Weirdness for plot sake I guess

gilded wagon
dusky acorn
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Well, Kid didn't even know he was dealing with an actual pacifista back then or even what a pacifista was, no reason to try using his fruit on Kuma when he thought he was dealing with a human Warlord

lunar shell
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Oh yeah that too

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Cheap answer shimon. Kid would use his power and notice its working on him

dusky acorn
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Not really, Kid doesn't indiscriminately use his power in every single direction all the time.

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He selectively controls which areas to magnetise and which not to

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That's why he didn't steal Killer's weapons on the trek up.

lunar shell
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Ok ok. Let us say that.

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Why so many say kidd instead of kid

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Yeah Kid will awaken his fruit, that's the power up he need

gilded wagon
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Oh my bad dude

pallid dome
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nah, kid won't get that power up. I think he will do something similar to luffy

pallid dome
lunar shell
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Oh I see

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Thanks.

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Kid will get this power up ull see

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I'm the best there is to know things like that

icy island
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late to the party with about a week and didnt want to get prediction about the latest chapter but nothing a couple of beers would stop. Bon-chan presumably still has the df for changing, whose this fake oden?

grizzled fog
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Most likely Onimaru, Bon clay not possible

misty dove
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Ironically, whether it's allies or enemies, their reasoning for transforming into oden is questionable

grizzled fog
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Kanjuro drawing is possible, although he should be dead

misty dove
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Real Oden
Onimaru
Kanjuro ink clone

Devon
Bon Clay

grizzled fog
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Read oden, Bon clay and Devon aren’t even worth considering. They are totally nonsensical

misty dove
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Onimaru : for what?
Kanjuro : should be ded, but if he wants to sneak attack, 1 vs 9 is still hard

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Devon : not possible, BB is for next arc with shanks

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BC is in impel down atm

grizzled fog
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Well I recommend reading juba’s theory on Onimaru, it’s pinned, Kanjuro may not actually intend to fight, some think he wants to help

misty dove
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The most educated guess would be onimaru, since he & princess hasn't shown up

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However you can't find any sane reason for it

dusky acorn
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Well, Kanjuro probably wouldn't be fighting all on his own. Jack is confirmed to already be coming for the same objective, even if the two aren't in actual contact with each other. Also I would definitely not condone wanting Kanjuro to be here for any sort of redemption, lol

misty dove
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Kanjuro is possible. If people said it's for sneak attack & hard to do, other reasoning would be for mind games. Kanjuro is shown to be "naughty"

grizzled fog
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It’s hard to give truly good reasoning for either kanjuro or Onimaru, but they are still far more plausible than any other theories

dusky acorn
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Agreed. It's pretty enjoyable how the two biggest runner-ups for the theories coincidentally fill up the slots for this being both a good "oden" and evil "oden" respectively

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And I don't think anything besides the two should be considered

grizzled fog
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I think it’s pretty telling how wild and out of left field this twist is that even the two most logical theories aren’t totally sound, really hard to lock down every hole for any theory

misty dove
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There is no "normal/makes sense" reason for onimaru to do this.

  • If he wants the Scabbards to do something / follow some sort of plan, transfo into oden would arouse suspicion instead
  • If he wants to motivate the Scabbards, why? They're already highly motivated, prepared to death anyway, no need to further inspire them

Put any "good/positive" reasons, but in the end the Scabbards realize that it was fake Oden, the heart break is worse/painful. Not a nice thing to so.

This is why, some people come into conclusion that it would be Kanjuro. For :

  • mind game
  • sneak attack Scabbards
  • confuse Momo
grizzled fog
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Did you read Juba’s theory?

misty dove
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Not yet, boss.

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Aight, I've read it. Some sort of message from hiyori? It would be better if Hiyori do it instead, they will be more "willing" & work harder

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Because they know that Hiyori is here too, so they can't afford to lose even more, otherwise both oden lineage would be dead

waxen light
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You know, I was thinking it was weird that Oden says you're so much older now when only Denjiro looks different. Kin, Kiku, and Raizo are basically the same and the non human ones don't look all that changed.

grizzled fog
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Inu and neko look quite a bit different I’d say

misty dove
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It's not weird, if the real oden knew not all Scabbards sent to the future

grizzled fog
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Real oden died before they were sent forward

misty dove
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However it's a good support for onimaru theory, since onimaru hasn't seen them for ages

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He's stuck on the bridge for years

pastel summit
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we don't really know last time he saw them.

dusky acorn
# misty dove There is no "normal/makes sense" reason for onimaru to do this. - If he wants t...

If he wants the Scabbards to do something / follow some sort of plan, transfo into oden would arouse suspicion instead
Yeah, becoming Oden would eventually make the Scabbards start questioning it once their reactionary emotions to the incredible situation pass by after a minute. This is what also makes me believe in the Kanjuro side more, because Kanjuro would WANT that preliminary emotional reaction from them only to crush their emotions right after by revealing it's his creation.

Though, with Juba's theory, he nourished this point by saying Onimaru won't actually stick around for long before they start questioning it. He'll just flee after giving their message to stay put.

pastel summit
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he had to be aware of oden's change in appearance with his beard, so it would've been at the latest when he grew that

misty dove
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we don't really know last time he saw them.
Some Scabbards are sent to the future, onimaru can't meet them

polar bison
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inu neko and kawamatsu absolutely look vastly different than they did, they're all much much larger. izo as well has signficantly aged

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ashura... eh

misty dove
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If Observation Haki is what it really is, and the Scabbards all have it, they can notice/recognize Oden's "signature"

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He's their master, Scabbards must notice the aura/feel of the real one

polar bison
misty dove
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Pudding would be the best example, even luffy & sanji got deceived

polar bison
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Luffy couldn't tell which Nami was the real one between Brulee's minions, so he just got all of them there

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scabbards couldn't tell that the kanjurou on the boat was an ink clone

misty dove
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There is one more bs reason than "the real oden not ded" : this oden is a technique of that forehead guy some people think that he can revive the dead. The guy subordinate of orochi

dusky acorn
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I think that whole you guys have aged speech from Oden shouldn't be analyzed too hyper specifically. Like, Oda isn't really the type of writer who would instead have made Oden go "Oh you've all aged!!! ...except uh kiku, kinemon, raizo, etc." Like that'd just be more lame and unecessary lol

So whoever this Oden is, they're just generalising it, since the majority of the scabbards actually haven't time travelled

misty dove
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Anyway, that oden being an ink clone will raise less questions & have less plot hole than any other possibility

pure raven
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Is it oden...who is it?!

thick sky
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Yo! Found this on reddit. Was fun to read so thought I would share.
Author - u/Malixen
At some point, Chopper will be able to awaken and use Monster without Rumble (simply going by Shonen logic, where by EoS everyone fully masters their skills).

It’d be nice if something like this happens:

  • Chopper holds his own assisting Marco in his fight
  • 3 min passes, Chopper goes back to normal
  • Unable to move, everyone defends Chopper from Queen, King and any other potential harm.
  • Marco makes his way to Chopper and heals him with his flames, restoring movement
  • Somehow, perhaps as a consequence of healing right after going out of MP, and motivated by the urgent need of his raw power in the battlefield, Chopper awakens Monster Point naturally removing (or at least increasing) his 3 min limit, unlocking absurdly fast healing and becoming the unstoppable force he deserves to be and the monster he aims to be.

By that power upgrade alone, the SHs just became ten times more fearsome, you have to deal with not only:

  • The forces-of-nature ruling witch
  • The infinitely resourceful never-miss sniper
  • The devil child expert professional assassin
  • The ice cold underworld soul king
  • The giant laser-shooting tank samurai cyborg
  • The master martial artist battle hardened fishman
  • The german-science enhanced perverted hellfire cook
  • The demonic unorthodox Enma-wielding swordsman
  • Luffy

But now you also have to face:

  • The colossal awakened monster strength Zoan with nearly unlimited health and stamina

If you ask me, the crew was already pretty strong as it is but with a single power upgrade Chopper can take it another step above all by himself.

pure raven
thick sky
pure raven
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oki kinda makes sense but.. how is it hiyori

thick sky
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Check the pins. There's a theory abt it being onimaru by juba

pure raven
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hmm k

junior cape
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I still think Toki can send distinct versions of people into the future, while leaving their original in the present. Would explain how Oden is both canonically dead, and his current form is pre-kaido fight. Would also explain his swords.

thick sky
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The swords oden currently have aren't ame nd enma

ancient vault
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But I wanna see 3 rumble balls chopper new form

urban ledge
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I still don't know how it'll go, given that Oda never get deep into awakening stuff, and Zoans in Impel Down looked like mindless, but this is an interesting route for Chopper

polar bison
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Law is going to stay an ally til end of show because he's never been and will never be after One Piece

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pure raven
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theory about the will of d

So the will of D was mentioned multiple times that they were the enemies of god... Devils.

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Most of them tend to smile when they are about to die.

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Also... blackbeard was the only human in the world who was able to eat 2 devil fruits, meaning his body is abnormal.

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Im not saying that all D. Members can eat 2 devil fruits but its a possibility

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kind of a theory about what it stands for

formal quest
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I just think that the D. were a clan from Void Century who fought against the progenitors of WG & Celestial Dragons and lost

pure raven
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yeah but the meaning of D is either Danger or Devil

mystic crown
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On my first watch I thought that was what it meant to be a D, it means you can eat two devil fruits@pure raven

languid kettle
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d = donquixote

mortal wraith
pure raven
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who pinged me

mortal wraith
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Vivi is dead and sabo is captured then they bmed vivis death on sabo and they gonna murder him another marineford arc

copper frost
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There's not going to be another Marineford, Marineford has been done and Oda won't follow the same formula again

dusky acorn
# polar bison Law is going to stay an ally til end of show because he's never been and will ne...

Yep Khi, I agree. Even if their alliance ends as originally planned and they go their separate paths, Law won't ever go against Luffy to the point of being some kind of antagonist.
Honestly, them splitting off now is very doubtful. Tons of things have originally changed since their alliance first began at Punk Hazard. Law has not only grown attached to Luffy, but his life didn't have to end at Dressrosa.
This means he now found his next goal of finding the meaning behind the Will of D, and it's even cordial to Luffy's dream of being Pirate King, since history will naturally be uncovered as they go along.
As long as he wants to find out the meaning of D, he won't ever split off from Luffy as an ally, since Robin is there.

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And yeah Harsh, it would be very uncreative for Oda to use another one of Luffy's brothers as a trigger for the next worldwide conflict, it just can't happen like that..

polar bison
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shim i like u a lot, u catch on fast

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I think the biggest thing about Law and luffy splitting up is that like,,, by the time I expect that to make sense, the series will have ended. they'll be together til Kaidou, and then with Law deciding he wants to know the meaning of D, they'll be together til Laugh Tale, and then by that point he'll commit to fighting the Final War alongside Luffy and then hey OP is over

polar bison
dusky acorn
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Yep, Law is smart enough to ride the right wave with Luffy while they're still technically greenhorns compared to the huge enemies they're facing which this series will cover.
There's definitely a precedent for Law becoming an antagonistic kind of rival, but yeah that won't be until the series ends and there's room for it while they're both the actual top dogs of the seas

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dusky acorn
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And Sabo incident thankfully probably isn't as bad as the news made it seem..

patent sail
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All the times we’ve seen ppl say certain ppl who’ll bring a new dawn to the world fits it perfectly too.

polar bison
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weevil and mihawk just for the sake of their existence in the story have likely escaped

dusky acorn
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Yep lmao, I think Oda at this point has personally hyped up Weevil's future role in at least 3 different occaisons, be it through SBS' or interviews, he's definitely going to have a huge future story to him

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Which wouldn't be as possible if he were to be the one who were captive, also kinda unfair since he hasn't had much to him yet

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And Mihawk is pretty clear, agreed

polar bison
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gonna be fun to see how high his bounty is, and how that kickstarts power scaling:').

i think there's merit to the idea Mihawk just joins Shanks, and Luffy/Zoro surpass their mountains at the same time by convenience of proximity

dusky acorn
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Mihawk joining Shanks at least as an affiliation would be pretty cool, and honestly.. if he was, it would give Shanks a way to directly compete with how Blackbeard's been bolstering his strength by getting guys like Kuzan. Tbh, that would sort of serve as a loose parallel with both of them recruiting VERY strong former WG associated figures.

Shanks has to bolster his own strength for the upcoming conflicts somehow, and Mihawk finding him wouldn't be an issue since he has his vivre card from how he tracked him down way back to talk about Luffy's first bounty.
Will say, being a no devil fruit weapon user feels like he'd fit Shanks well if he does join the actual crew

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The only thing that really hinders it in my mind is wondering if Mihawk would have to set aside a certain extent of his pride for it

polar bison
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Mihawk doesn't have CoC, and hasn't minded submitting to the government's whims up until this point

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it's not opposed to his nature. maybe it's different bc shanks is someone he used to duel, but I think they could rationalize it as a partnership or allyship or whatever, mihawk's simple most logical next action to give himself some level of immunity/protection after losing his previous form.

pure raven
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aren’t there 3 weapons? like weepihoshi(this leads to a theory)

polar bison
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yes

pure raven
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what if there’s one on land underwater and in sky island

dusky acorn
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I will say, the non Conqeuror thing/enjoying protection aspect of his character does speak volumes, and although Mihawk did say he was feeling "thrill" for being finally hunted down, if Mihawk does ally with Shanks in some shape or form, it still means he'd be able to feel that excitement to an extent, it just means he has an adequate layer of protection if he wants

pure raven
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let’s be honest here, mihawk can fend for himself

pastel summit
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not against an army.

pure raven
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depends on how strong the army is

dusky acorn
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Well, from what we've seen Mihawk isn't really the meat-headed kind of character who would put being in a more dangerous poisiton in front of a flat out better option and way of life

pure raven
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back to my theory tho

dusky acorn
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He's still smart enough to ally with people he doesn't necessarily like

polar bison
pastel summit
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Back to the ancient weapons. I've had this theory that has pretty much no real basis, so I've never actually said it.

polar bison
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i'm so immediately interested

grizzled fog
pastel summit
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So we know Zunesha was punished for some crime, and we know communicating with Zunesha requires some special skill/trait, beyond even just voice of all things. What if the crime Zunesha did was impart this knowledge of communication in order to create Poseidon?

pure raven
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isn’t it eneru shirahoshi and something/someone else that’s the 3 ancient weapons(one for the sky, land, and water)

polar bison
pastel summit
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if we assume the ancient weapons were all created, how would poseidon have been created? Did it always exist?

polar bison
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do we assume that the ancient weapons were all created?

pastel summit
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I think Zunesha might tie into Poseidon's creation somehow.

pure raven
pastel summit
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so has Poseidon just existed since fishmen existed? Pluton was created. We don't know anything about Uranus.

polar bison
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i just reread FMI and I don't think anything said that Poseidon was a created weapon, simply that there's just been a mermaid princess who can speak to sea kings

pastel summit
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right. I'm just assuming they were all created within the void century.

dusky acorn
pastel summit
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hence why they're all communicated on the poneglyphs.

pure raven
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shirahoshi is who i’m talking about

dusky acorn
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Why would Shirahoshi have been adopted though? I can't really think of why would that even be relevant to the story or how it would be revealed

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The only qualifier is there being a pure-hearted mermaid princess every so many years iirc, it's a completely natural occurence as I thought

pastel summit
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Looking through, it's unclear. Obviously the first poseidon we know of, originated from void century, but it's not stated whether there were any prior to that.

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or even implied in any way that there were any prior.

polar bison
untold charm
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anyone got a good theory on Caribou?

surreal harness
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what u think about hawkin 1% death thing... law dies infront of luffy and luffy activate ragemode = gear 5

dusky acorn
grizzled fog
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This isn’t fairy tail, luffy being angry isn’t gonna give him some crazy power up suddenly

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And after learning about law’s new motivations, he’s definitely not dying

hollow grotto
dusky acorn
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Ahh, thank you Fortsy

dark palm
thick sky
dark palm
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and I don't think Law is going to die before finding out the meaning of the will of the D

pastel summit
waxen light
dark palm
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Drake tbh

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seems like this line is meant to be ironic

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none of the other options really make sense in context either

dusky acorn
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I would like the number 1 to be Luffy so it would fit my agenda of Hawkins' Post-Marineford scene with Luffy having such an odd fortune telling giving Hawkins a heightened interest in his specific fate, but yeah it's way more practical to have just been Drake

terse venture
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Zoro

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the only man in one piece to have bowed down to 2 warlords

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oh my god, this is the wrong channel

waxen light
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When I was rereading Wano a bit ago, I came across the scene where Drake and Page One are looking for Sanji and Hawkins comes along looking for Law after he had escaped him and he said he was looking for a particular man which I thought was kinda similar to what he said during his card reading in Onigashima. I get that Certain and Particular aren't exactly interchangeable but I do think since like 80% of his scenes in Wano have been opposite Law (they've "clashed" 4 times already) that he's been set up as a sort of antagonist to him. Also in his scene with him in jail, he laments that his own chances against Kaido were 0% so he had to submit and even asks Law how he thinks its going for him. To me it makes sense for him to be comparing Law and the gang's chances against Kaido as the raid starts when his own was nothing. Also the Japanese text in both scenes were the same for whatever that's worth.

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That being said, I don't think he's going to die, especially after all the Will of D stuff we got from him recently. Anyway, probably nothing but just something I noticed.

pastel summit
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certain and particular are definitely interchangeable lol

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but the onigashima line is still referring to drake.

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"certain man" is not really an uncommon phrase.

hollow axle
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ive seen a theory going around i might be late to the party is that luffy when using red hawk could burn water then he could do the same to blood which is 90% water so maybe luffy can make your insides burn seeing that it doesn't insta kill then this is probably just a theory

plush pike
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Most likely yeah, but that depends on whether he actually managed to penetrate the outer layer of your skin, which he can probably do with a technique that applies red hawk and ryou. The boiling point of blood is less than one degree Celsius higher than water, so it's not even a stretch (no pun intended).

ebon scaffold
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Hello

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Any theories for what happen to sabo and vivi ?

warped wagon
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Probably, Sabo saw or hear that Vivi was attacked After Kobra was killed, so he went there and fleed with her

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And in the newspaper there was probably something written like
Revolutionary Sabo kills Nefeltari Kobra and took Nefeltari Vivi as hostage

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But on the other Hand, the CP0 was trying to stop morgans writing this headline
So maybe, something about Mariejoa was also revealed, what shouldnt be revealed?

ebon scaffold
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Yeah the questions is why CP was trying to stop morgan writing the news ...

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If that headline is true, why in east blue was so shock and sad ?

warped wagon
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Yep
That makes it very crazy
It has to be Bad for marines, bad for Revolutions and sad for Alabasta

warped wagon
ebon scaffold
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If the headline sabo was die. It is good news for WG

warped wagon
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Yeah so this is probably wrong

ebon scaffold
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I mean why makino and dadan so sad .

copper frost
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Sabo may be on the run or he might have been framed

warped wagon
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Maybe they want to stop him, because someone that important was kidnapped in a Mariejoa

ebon scaffold
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They know sabo is good person

warped wagon
copper frost
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The most likely assumption is that it's not going to be an Ace situation, since it is already established that Sabo and Ace will have different fates but also, Cobra and Alabasta being involved

warped wagon
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Yes but the world doesnt
And being portrayed as Evil Person, is very bad

warped wagon
ebon scaffold
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Maybe nefertari family know ancient weapon

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@warped wagon thanks

copper frost
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The Nefertari family and Alabasta being involved raises red flags

warped wagon
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The nefeltaris always been a Problem for Mariejoa as the One founder family who left Mariejoa

ebon scaffold
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Nefertari family was one of family who didn't stay at marie joe like other government family

warped wagon
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Thats probably also the reason why Kobra was killed (I assume) and Vivi was attacked

ebon scaffold
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Yes, i think nefeltari know something

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And the reason why nefeltari family left from mariejoa

drifting aurora
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4 words
Oden is kanjuro's drawing

weary cliff
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That's the runner-up after our very own admin's onimaru idea. They both seem feasible. Time will tell

pastel summit
amber oar
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don't drink and discord

spark radish
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Is it fine if i drink and drive?

ebon scaffold
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What is law doing before againts kaidou ?

visual merlin
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like before he got to the roof?

ebon scaffold
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Yes

visual merlin
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he was looking for the poneglyph

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he found one but it wasn't the poneglyph he was looking for

ebon scaffold
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But he cant read the poneglyph right ?

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Or he can ?

visual merlin
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nah he can't

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he might plan to ask robin to read it if he finds it

ebon scaffold
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Why he teleport kinemon and friends to treasure room ?

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He can teleport to chopper or his crew

visual merlin
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he probably just wanted to teleport them somewhere safe, where no one was around

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I doubt he knows where chopper is anyway

ebon scaffold
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Maybe before againt kaidou law meet oden (?) Or something

visual merlin
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eh, I think he was just teleporting them somewhere away from the fighting

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but maybe I suppose

fathom matrix
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I mean

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even the medics were kinda on the battlefield too, so it'd just be more peeps to prioritise on and make it difficult to heal

weary cliff
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Plus onigashima is huge. We saw Law make an enormous room on PH when he chopped up the war ship, but could he have gotten the scabbards to the live floor from the roof if he even wanted?

ebon scaffold
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Ahh yes

fathom matrix
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Ok

ebon scaffold
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Law said he teleporting them without luffy ask

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He planed before luffy ask teleporting kinemon

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Or just law tsundere

fathom matrix
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I had an idea. The lineage factor, and extracting DNA to make a devil fruit. Kaido's body is now altered to incorporate the powers of a zoan, so most likely, when he dies, he's forever a got Ou Ou No Mi DNA.

And when Whitebeard died....he dies. He wasn't lingering on life, he stood up dead. So most likely the gura gura no mi's power was gone and went somewhere else, before Black Beard even got to cover him up. HOWEVER, Blackbeard was still able to get his power. Could it be, that Vegapunk and Blackbeard, figured out or have 2 similar but different methods, to extracting devil fruit powers, from corpses?

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HELL, maybe the gura gura no mi is STIL out there

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maybe Blackbeard aquired a less powerful version

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Like, Vegapunk figured out a modern method which was from an old ancient method, but Blackbeard has that old ancient or experimental method by Rocks

sand sail
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Nah, those are two entirely different things. Vegapunk didn't steal any power, he cloned it from Kaido. Blackbeard took the actual fruit power from Whitebeard, and proved it to be just as powerful moments later

pure raven
fathom matrix
fathom matrix
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Cause whitebeard died before getting his power taken, so I'm wondering if it's instant or it takes a while, like a lowering health bar

copper frost
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he stole the power entirely lmao, it was not even subtle

timid fiber
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fruits take time to grow ig

fathom matrix
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from what I've of Smiley dying, it was quick.

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The fruit was near him TBF, so it wouldn't have taken too long

sand sail
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Yeah, it's ambiguous where it respawns and how long it takes unfortunately

fathom matrix
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Plus, there's also the type of fruit too

sand sail
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Because Smiley's fruit started transferring before he even died, but Whitebeard was fully dead and Blackbeard got to wait a little bit before doing his show

fathom matrix
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Yeah, plus, I doubt that Ace and Whitebeard's fruits are even common fruits

sand sail
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Technically, there's no such thing as a common fruit

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Each one is unique and equally rare lol

weary cliff
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Probably means like there are more apples than dragonfruit

fathom matrix
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And what I mean by that is, I like to imagine the more powerful the fruit is, the rarer the actual fruit it reincarnates into is too

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Like yeah, let's say dragon fruits are extremely rare, and you get mythical powers from them, and you're going to come across maybe 1 or 2 near eachother, or near you.

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Or Durians. Let's say a metal logia comes from a durian, and it's not impossible but very rare to find, not only because logias are rare, but that type of fruit is rare too.

weary cliff
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Its not a bad idea. For Smiley there was a bag of apples right there for the fruit to spawn into. It could be the Gura Gura lingered because there was no suitable fruit immediately around Marineford and it was buffering while it searched. Or it's just a small inconsistency

zinc iris
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Let's say BB did it in the appropriate time frame

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WB was dying but you don't have to pinpoint the exact instant he ceased to be alive

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Usual stuff about heartbeat and brain death

pure raven
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In the friends we made along the way It could be anywhere for all we know, Bepo

ebon scaffold
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Ahh yeah forget it, thanks @pure raven

pure raven
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Or like Akainu's fruit could reincarnate in fruit that are native to plants/trees that grow near volcanoes

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but then paramecias come in and I get confused

weary cliff
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I think that's already the case, it's just that not all of them are clever like the giraffe. If devil fruits can be catalogued by description, they likely use the same kind of fruit every time. And this would be why on PH caesar specifically had a whole bunch of apples and not an assortment

summer dock
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what usually happens to DF powers when someone dies/is knocked unconscious? they revert back or stop working like Doflamingo's right?

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cause I'm just thinking about Toki's DF and if she dies, it's different yeah? they stay in the future cause the DF already did it's thing vs a DF power being actively used

queen arrow
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not every devil fruit has their effects nullified when the user is knocked out or dies

rapid nexus
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I have a theory that everyone is wrong on who they think Oden is in Chapter 1007. I think its the CP-0 guy with the mask. All of this makes sense if you really think about it. He would have the ability to create puppets/ make people create illusions of their greatest desires. CP-0 are not really invovled into the Wano story, and this could be how they could get involved. X-Drake as apart of Sword doesnt even know what the CP-0 are up too. Along with this, that CP-0 guy doesn't know much about Oden's clothing style which could explain why his dress was worn so long. A couple chapters ago, one of the CP-0 members identified where the scabbards where, so it also makes sense for the CP-0 guy to send in a puppet. Another person it could be is another mane mane fruit. (Higorashis still alive, and Kaido was talking about someone else). Ok let me break it down. Most Zoan fruits have 3 types. The normal, rare, and legendary. What if its the same for paramecias. Bon Clay had the normal, Higorashi would have had the rare, and Devon has the legendary type 9 tailed fox.

keen portal
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  1. It wasn't the CP0 who found them, it was Kaido's subordinate. CP0 have no clue where the scabbards are
queen arrow
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1-Zoans don't have 3 types, 2- Bon Clay and Higoarashi have the exact same fruit

keen portal
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  1. Higurashi and bon clay have the exact same fruit.
rapid nexus
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zoans do have types

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isnt there different models of the dinasoar

queen arrow
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3- they're ancient, not "normal rare and legendary"

summer dock
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I'm just wondering if it's possible that if Toki dies, everyone who got sent to the future will be sent back to when she died.

queen arrow
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4- Devon is a Zoan user not a paramecia

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stop repeating things

weary cliff
ebon scaffold
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So what kind ability onimaru ?

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Anything miracle or something impossible ability is from devil fruit

weary cliff
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Not everything supernatural is DF related

ebon scaffold
keen portal
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Onimaru seems to based on the myth of the kitsune fox

weary cliff
rapid nexus
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Like Hawkins. He has like those cool cards. Thats not a df power, but it has crazy power potential

ebon scaffold
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Even ninja raizou is df user

weary cliff
ebon scaffold
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I think onimaru is df user too

keen portal
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he was doing his card shit before he (presumably) got his DF, when Oda drew supernova as kids

rapid nexus
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I think that the cards aren't apart of his df power, but his df power enhances the power of the cards, and can share it to his crew members. So bassically his pwoers makes the cards stronger.

loud ibex
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Yuh

weary cliff
ebon scaffold
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Any animals with supernatural ability ?

keen portal
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if Onimaru had a fruit it would prolly be a human human fruit model: daruma, or summin. But its just more likely he is a kitsune, who can transform into a human form, namely Gyukimaru

thick sky
ebon scaffold
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Like onimaru or else

summer dock
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no theory feels good

rapid nexus
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I aslo feel like Vegapunk is going to make his first appearence either at the end of Wano, or on the way to elbaf. I also feel like maybe he was once apart of a big well known crew at one point. (Rogers crew or mb even Rocks) and he was incredibly strong. He enhanced the crews strength. But the WG captured him. Technically, they never said any more details than the fact that he was doing dangerous experiments.

summer dock
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onimaru or kanjuro make the most sense, but it being Oden specifically just feels like off

ebon scaffold
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Any animals with supernatural ability without df ? Except mink, fishmen

keen portal
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vegapunk doesnt feel like he was ever on a pirate crew tbh. Acc to yonji he was off doing his own researches with judge under him until the WG stopped them

amber oar
sacred crystal
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what if oden knew his fate all along, and before that he temporarily got himeslf to the future to "joyboys time", for whatever reason, like out of curiosity, because he could

keen portal
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he knew he would be betrayed by orochi's promise and continue dancing for 5 years anyway? hard to imagine. so no. I doubt he knew his fate

sacred crystal
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he knew he was too early anyway

rapid nexus
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what if each generation had a "one piece" and now during luffys era is the final piece. This theory is kinda old, but thought I can bring it up again

thick sky
amber oar
ebon scaffold
thick sky
amber oar
weary cliff
amber oar
keen portal
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I doubt no one made it to lodestar in 800 years

weary cliff
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Begs the question how Noland escaped the grandline

keen portal
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but not making to it laugh tale makes sense

sand sail
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Yeah, no one made it to Lodestar in 800 years

ebon scaffold
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Impel down guards are df user right ?

thick sky
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Awakened zoans

sand sail
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Yep, the Jailer Beasts, Magellan and I think one other person was

ebon scaffold
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Animal guardians

thick sky
pure raven
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Were they even mentioned to be awakened? I wonder what part of them was awakened, anyway, they seemed like pretty normal zoans?

thick sky
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Yeah crocodile mentioned it

pure raven
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Oh.

He has eaten an as-of-yet unnamed Zoan type Devil Fruit that allows him to become a cow. Because he is an "Awakened Zoan", he is able to recover rapidly even after suffering high amounts of damage.[2]

keen portal
pure raven
bold gull
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I may be late here but... my understanding is that yamato, momo and shinobu are heading towards the scabbards/oden reunion. momo and yamato have a more intimate understanding of oden personality (one by being his son the other one by reading his journal) so I think they'll be able to tell whether this is the real oden or not. If this oden is a fake, I think it would make more sense if it is a kanjuro drawing as he may be able to fool the scabbards but not momo and yamato

hazy wing
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Scabbards spent years with oden unlike momo who spent just around 2 yrs

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If anyone scabbards should be able to tell whether it's fake or not

bold gull
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It's true that the scabbard spent more time with oden but not after he traveled with roger and whitebeard

obtuse void
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What if the reason Devil fruit taste bad is because they rot but it doesnt affect their appearance or power

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probably why luffy a kid can just gobble up the rubber fruit

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it wasn't rotten

weary cliff
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More likely just a part of the power. SMILEs are supposed to taste good even though they should be just as rotten. Unless SAD is secretly just a special preservative

loud ibex
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*real leaks *

obtuse void
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why u post in theory lol

strange parcel
loud ibex
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Spoiler sever still can’t be used smh

strange parcel
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so this is the theory i saw earlier and i actually like it

loud ibex
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That’s actually sick

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Kineomon my favorite character 💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔

strange parcel
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but i don't agree with him. like i agree with the part that an ending tragedy might happen since this is a kabuki play mimic. but it doesn't seem that this is the scenario intended
luffy does need something bad to happen in order to get stronger and for character development

stiff salmon
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yup

loud ibex
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Also the smoke where odens stands it happens to every character we haven’t seen in a long time and with there name in big letters

strange parcel
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but it just doesn't feel like a scenario oda would write
it's more like isayama xD

loud ibex
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also oda doesn’t like killing people off LOL bug all 9 LOL

strange parcel
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if he is back then i guess toki is with him and was the one in ch1004

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he doesn't seem like he aged

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maybe she traveled him through time and he healed his wounds. this explains the swords he has

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if he stayed and waited for 20 years then his sword wouldn't be with zoro atm

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also he was so excited about joyboy so it makes since if he just went right through time to fix shit up and prepare for him

weary cliff
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Just casually abandoning your kid because they're too excited to wait 20 years. Not a good look

strange parcel
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But he had to abound them if he wants them to be safe right ?

weary cliff
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Does he have to? If he was safe why not take Hiyori too?

strange parcel
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I don’t understand why hiyori stayed either, but that’s the most logical idea I reached to (in case he is alive)

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Maybe they need a kozuki to stay in town all time just in case they had a chance for their seat back before the 20 year skip ?

weary cliff
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I dont know man. Doesn't seem super likely but we will just have to see

sand sail
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Neither of them were safe, this made it so if one died the other wouldn't too at least

keen portal
sand sail
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Oh, there you go, I forgot they actually addressed it lmao

craggy bloom
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someone got a theory on how wano will end?

obtuse void
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like usual , main villian beat , happy ending

dark palm
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What a helpful answer lol

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I just cannot see big mom getting defeated tbh.

sand sail
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Yessir

placid sun
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it'll be cool if BM pirates keep on hunting for strawhats.

sand sail
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Whoops, that was to a different computer. But, I do agree, I can't see Big Mom staying down at least

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If she gets whooped, I can sooner see her get up and try to make a comeback later on

dark palm
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Feel like the amnesia thing will play a part

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Was inconvenient for Oda to write it the way he did

craggy bloom
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yeah i also dont see her helping to beat kaido

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with luffy

obtuse void
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well when crocodile , enel and lucy was first introducted it seem pretty hopeless too so who knows

kind gate
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I feel like everything in wano up to this point has been a smoke screen

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Like there are so many things that have direct correlations to change the entire fight
From Big moms hunger and amnesia
To Sanji continuously disappointing

I think the roof is gonna break through and all matchups up to this point will be worthless

weary cliff
# craggy bloom yeah i also dont see her helping to beat kaido

Likewise. O-Lin could be used as an out for Oda to remove her from the final confrontation/arc as a whole, but I wouldn't want to see her used as an ally in the Kaido fight specifically.

Kaido goes down but BM sails away with her crew. She could make a threepeat and have business in Elbaf

jade solar
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So far i don't see any interest for Big Mom being in wano except giving to readers some additional hype

pure raven
dusky acorn
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Well, the main attraction for Big Mom is supposed to be her relationship with Kaido

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He's the Yonko she's most connected to, and will probably be shown a fair amount in his upcoming flashback as well, so she's pretty relevant

pure raven
dusky acorn
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And if anything, the other Big Mom Pirates are the ones who don't have much interest in Wano, and even the author knows that, which is why he only allowed Perospero to come besides her due to the Pedro history.