manga-theories

[green roost]

if viz changes it to "youve all grown quite a bit" or even "youve grown quite a bit" all of this is still off

[oak edge]

But we don't know exactly when they "time-landed" could be 3 years before vegapunk, or right after the time skip.

[green roost]

it was pretty much within the same year , it wasnt that far apart because momo is still 8 years old before and after

momo hasnt aged

[amber oar]

from what they've said, they time landed a couple of months earlier at most

[green roost]

ye

[oak edge]

I wasn't aware of his age acknowledged, but I thought it had been 1-2 years. Thank you!

Acknowledged prior to skip*

[green roost]

due to the timeline of events from when he had the baby to when he died

[weary cliff]

There are twice as many that aged than those that didn't. Kiku stands out as looking young, but as a group they're mostly different looking

It could be something but I'm not sure it's going to be relevant

[pure raven]

Yamato is the tragedy of Act 3. She sees Fauxden and gets the Sanji-heart-eyes.
Fauxden impales Yamato in front of Momonosuke.
Momo goes hybrid form.

Act 3 End.

[green roost]

thats a stretch, kinemon, kiku , raizo all look exactly the same, kanjhuro isnt even there, and he doesnt mention kanjuro being missing. he would not have said "all aged quite a bit"

this flaw in the speech may never even need to be mentioned, i think its a hint to us the readers, the fake oden will be revealed eventually anyway without the help of that speech bubble

cause its for sure not real oden

[weary cliff]

Agreed there

[still lodge]

I still think is Kanjuro, the Kurozumi's plot couldnt have ended like that, so unless tama is a Kurozumi Orochi, Kanjuro or botj should be alive

[green roost]

i also agree in thinking that kanjuros death felt a bit too quick and jarring, really didnt expect it offscreened, makes me think oda has something in store with kanjuro later, even if its not fake oden

[lone sigil]

Maybe the fake only knew them as the 9Scabbards not knowing that one of them was missing because Izo was there technically completing the 9members

[lunar shell]

Some people say its kanjuro cuz the same kanji beside oden can be seen when kanjuro draw something

[chilly helm]

if Big mom and Kaido are both defeated Buggy will become an emperor

[lunar shell]

Its bs or not ?

[still lodge]

...

[weary cliff]

#manga-theories message

See the hiragana at the bottom right of ryunosuke

[lunar shell]

Those kanji arent seen anywhere else ?

[kind gate]

momo had a real ass glow up lmao

[green roost]

That’s interesting, what’s the sound effect being made?

And that’s the only place they appear?

@dusky acorn been reading your Urouge theory , I love it. Always had that inkling due to his speech since way back but never thought of all this back up evidence

Noticed there was a bunch of theory links in the pins and didn’t check them out before

[dusky acorn]

Wow thanks! I really do think Urouge joining Blackbeard ties everything for him together, even that other popular theory of Urouge having history with Enel

[green roost]

i was always wondering what his skypeia history was, due to being birkan an enel grudge could make sense

its great, i love well thought out theories with multiple layers like that, i love how u even sort of predicted hawkins too within that

[dusky acorn]

Like, if Urouge happens to be Birkan and even cared one bit of his homeland, then he would naturally want to get revenge against Enel someday, but clearly he wouldn't be strong enough himself, so he'd be seeking out other folks to join up with.

And of course it's not to say Blackbeard would be so selfless to the point where he'd go out of his way to defeat Enel just for him, but I'm of the mindset that if Urouge asked him about that kind of condition while joining his crew, Bb would just be like "Oh you got beef with someone in the skies? Don't worry, our plan is eventually to conquer the world someday, that includes the skies "

[pure raven]

(ban and baan)

[dusky acorn]

Then Urouge is like, yo don't mind if I do

[night jewel]

thats just the bam sfx yea

[green roost]

yeah i could vibe with that lol bb may not even necessarily care about urouges goal, would just use him for his cause

[night jewel]

its like doom or don, just for big reveals, character intros, etc

[green roost]

i see

[dusky acorn]

Yep, seems like it'd make for an awesome storyline, maybe Urouge could convert into a good guy if he finds out Luffy had already defeated Enel for him, lot of interesting routes it could go from there

[green roost]

yeah, enels defeat by luffy is mainly unknown to the rest of the world, unless someone specifically went to that location and asked the people

urouge could be ignorant of the fact

[ancient vault]

Praying Urouge theory comes true like

[random yacht]

iirc urouge left the white white sea before enel took over

[rotund dew]

Could Kaidou's method of recruitment related to his 'son's' utter disdain for him? It could be that he desperately wants a heir.

He always talks about Yamato being the shogun but its not something the she would accept and hasnt been able to break her will like other pirates.

[amber oar]

Yamato doesn't want to be the puppet shogun under Kaido, but she may want to become the shogun of a freed Wano
She'll probably want to give it to Momo though

[dusky acorn]

I wouldn't say so. As Brannew describes it, Kaido has seemingly always had this method of recruitment, winning over ferocious pirates and earning their respect even before Yamato became disillusioned with him 20 years ago

Like, I'd even assume this method is how Kaido attained his calamities, way back

[rotund dew]

I dont see her being a Shogun. She doesnt really know their citizens to be a leader. She has been in a birdcage for a long time

If anything I see her completely rennouncing her father and stop trying to be Oden. Cosplaying as a dead guy is weird even for OP

If she joins the crew would be out of self discovery

[dusky acorn]

Sorta unrelated, but I wonder if Yamato also has conquerors haki

[grizzled fog]

I don’t really see it, but that’d be pretty neat

Kaido would probably hate that

[rotund dew]

Maybe Oda establishes her as the third strongest that is not Luffy With Zoro having the best Armament, Sanji obs, and Yamato King's. But how would she use it proficiently?

In a way thats interesting to read.

[pure raven]

I'm still wondering if Haoshoku is genetic and if Vegapunk could recreate it by modifying somebody's lineage factor

[green roost]

that sounds even harder to do than DF stuff lol

[wild veldt]

This is a no meme zone, charafire

Now it loaded

Nvm

[alpine hill]

Problem is, we don't even know whether Conquerors haki is related to Lineage factor

[dusky acorn]

I suppose if Conqeurors was truly hereditary, then that would give more credence to it being an aspect that's actually seeable through a person's genome

But we don't really know if it is

[ancient vault]

Thats why he said "im wondering if haoshoku is genetic" bocaj

[olive rain]

i havent read the manga so im not sure about it, but with the thing about ||oden coming back from the dead|| i think its a drawing Kanjuro drew, considering how it looks a bit creepy and a bit weirder then oden

[alpine hill]

Ik but I was actually trying to imply I actually like the theory. not that I was questioning it, but I get what you mean

[dusky acorn]

That's one of the most popular theories, and you don't need to tag anything in here since we're all discussing under the implication that we're all caught up.
Can't discuss too much on your theory since it would be spoiling you on other aspects, so I advise catching up before coming back, but definitely have to agree on the 'suspect' aspect of this "Oden".
The main thing I still go back to is the complete absence of a character card from Oda objectively reintroducing him as THE Oden. It's purposely kept vague, because it's not really him

[grizzled fog]

How does it look weirder than oden tho, appearance wise it’s a match

[dusky acorn]

There's no maybe here, folks aren't in this channel to look at memes, you can theorize about Bon Clay as much as you want in #manga and #also-manga

[ember brook]

Who deleted

[ember brook]

Its a oden theory bro

[dusky acorn]

I did, please look at channel rules up top

Please don't argue, even the image itself was obviously formatted as a meme lol

[last halo]

Come on, it wasn't a meme

[ember brook]

Its not a meme 💀 its a theory that maybe sum1 picked up the clone clone snd they new oden

[last halo]

Although I don't agree with the theory, it was obviously implying Bon Chan had died and his fruit had reappeared somewhere else in the world

[ember brook]

And*

[grizzled fog]

It’s a theory that makes absolutely 0 sense

[last halo]

But then Sentilio, you should expand on the theory instead of just posting the picture without context on why you're posting it

[ember brook]

I guess yeah

[dusky acorn]

There's literally no logical explanation for Bon Clay nor his fruit being in Wano with someone. He's locked up in Impel Down level 5.5

[solar steppe]

VP is an revo army, prob a vice
Kuma trust her turning him to a cyborg
Being double agent for WG just like aokiji
Have interest in dragon , cause her boss name is dragon
Ordered Kuma to protect straw hat pirates
VP is Luffy mother
:Doffycorn:

[ember brook]

Maybe he died or he got executed

[grizzled fog]

Also if they only ate the fruit recently how would they be able to transform into oden?

[ember brook]

Oh yeah true

[grizzled fog]

Unless you think you can transform into anyone that you touched prior to having the fruit, which doesn’t make much sense

[last halo]

Yeah, I was about to talk on this when the picture was deleted.

[ember brook]

Transformation jutsu???

[tawdry wasp]

he didnt

at least that would be incredibly sad

and kinda ruin the cover page of chapter 666

like why would you even show him alive at all

[ember brook]

I mean he did try to escape and helped luffy escape soooo

[tawdry wasp]

i really wanted bon clay to join the crew man

he wouldve been a cool eddition to have

[grizzled fog]

I like him better as just an ally and a friend tbh

[ember brook]

Really hope otoko that lil girl from wano that can tame beasts doesn't join the crew shes annoying asf

[pure raven]

That tama Otoko is yasuos daughter

[dusky acorn]

You mean Tama? There's a pretty good case for her joining the crew

#also-manga message

I do feel like Tama and Yamato's mutual connection to Ace is setting up for something in the future

At the very least, the two of them should get along well if they both learn they knew him

[sacred hawk]

So what if Carrot and Bepo team up against perospero? If the moon shines down from the hole in the roof, they can probably use Sulong inside the dome

[gloomy stone]

what are all the theories in simple form relating to oden's appearance

[weak arrow]

It's Onimaru (The monk-fox)
It's Kanjuro's painting
Alternate future Oden from some form of Toki shenanigans
Katarina Devon/Bon clay nonsense tomfoolery
They're dreaming
It's that Tanuki Teapot?

[dusky acorn]

Only 2 theories that actually make sense are

1. It's Onimaru the fox, using his transformation ability to look like Oden and working in tandem with Hiyori, the silhouette who healed the Scabbards earlier.
2. It's Kanjuro's ink drawing. He somehow survived the battle with the Scabbards earlier and is now using a drawing of Oden to get the Scabbards offguard and attack them afterwards

[gloomy stone]

oh thank you

[weak arrow]

Yeah, i agree with Shimon about those being the only real possibilities

[gloomy stone]

yup i agree @dusky acorn

[weak arrow]

Unless Fukorujou has some weird ass devil fruit that can do this as this could be some devil fruit related ninja technique but that's more crackpot

[gloomy stone]

actually only the first one makes sense

cause Kanjuro knows oden and will probably not draw oden with his legs being covered

oden loves to show off his legs

[ancient vault]

Kanjuro would draw scars, many scars

[gloomy stone]

too many to count

[ember brook]

Kanjuros drawings are easy to tell tho u can easily tell its a drawing

[supple nimbus]

To add to 1, it's likely that Onimaru took on the form of Oden to distract/inspire the scabbards. Distract, so that Hyori can sneak out as she did tell the scabbards that she would do no fighting or take part in the raid, so to not make the scabbards worry more, she bolts while Onimaru distracts them. Inspire, well they've been beat to a pulp and were lamenting about the fact that they failed Oden and feel ashamed to have to rely on Luffy, so Onimaru-Oden to ensure that they can fight without a heavy heart takes this form to inspire the scabbards and kill two birds with one stone.

[weak arrow]

no, no you cannot

[alpine hill]

I actually think that something will cause Mt. Fuji to collapse

[dusky acorn]

Kanjuro was faking his bad art abilities, he can draw absolute perfect humans

[lone plaza]

kanjuro’s paintings can’t speak, i’m pretty sure?

[weak arrow]

They can

[alpine hill]

The painting of himself

[grizzled fog]

Ryunosuke spoke

[weak arrow]

kanjuro saying "the traitor was me" was literally the drawing

[grizzled fog]

Sorta

[lone plaza]

ryunoske didn’t fully speak a language

[lone plaza]

since when, did i forget that this happened🤣🤣

[weak arrow]

kanjuro, the painting, was on that little tiny ass raft

he admits he's the traitor, the scabbards cut him down

but it's a drawing

[lone plaza]

ohhhh damnnn

[weak arrow]

the real kanjuro knocked out shinobu and took momo

[lone plaza]

i don’t know how i forgot that

[dusky acorn]

Yep I agree, transforming into Oden makes sense since it would get the Scabbards thoughts off of Hiyori's tail, as she doesn't want them to know she's at the war, so now they probably think Oden was the one who healed them. Since Onimaru took the shape of "Oden", he also has leverage command the scabbards intelligently in this form so they don't rush to their deaths or whatever

[ember brook]

Idk man in the anime u can clearly tell unless kanjuro spent hours and hours dedicating all his time into drawing a real life oden

[weak arrow]

Sentillo

[static mortar]

hours?

[ember brook]

Adam

[alpine hill]

If only there was any indication that Onimaru can actually shapeshift

[static mortar]

he drew a perfect crane in a second

[grizzled fog]

You realize kanjuro was faking his poor drawing skills right

[ember brook]

O

[weak arrow]

Sentillo, please go back and reread chapters 974 and 975

[ember brook]

Ok

[pure raven]

@ember brook

This is a Kanjuro drawing

[ember brook]

Oh

I was wrong then

[supple nimbus]

I mean he has the guardian and the fox form, we don't know the extent of his powers.

[alpine hill]

That is what i mean, the only thing people could use is the Kitsune theory but even then not always do legends connect with characters

[dusky acorn]

For those 13 years Onimaru was playing a role as a monk stealing weapons, so it makes sense he'd always consistently go into that huge form since he was carrying on in Kawamatsu's stead

I guess it could have also been to try and mimick Kawamatsu's size or something lol

[weak arrow]

I mean, we have devon's fruit to sort of help the theory along

[dusky acorn]

But at that point, you'd wonder why didn't Onimaru keep up a transformation form of how Kawamatsu looked like instead

[supple nimbus]

Maybe he can't transform into anything living?

[alpine hill]

I do feel like Kawamatsu would have considered it was Onimaru

[dusky acorn]

If he can't transform into living people that sounds like a weird handicap for him but hey, I'd take it. Helps the Oden theory I guess lol

But yeah makes sense Bocaj, guess he'd want to be in his own form on the off chance Kawamatsu ever came back to the bridge. Kawamatsu would be weirded out and may put two and two together if he saw a doppelganger of himself now on the bridge stealing weapons

For some reason or another, Onimaru is shy to let people know of his transformation ability

[supple nimbus]

Yeah, I'll do anything to make sure it's not the real Oden, anytheory works.

[supple nimbus]

The element of surprise

[static mortar]

i'm curious, are there any theories on what's happened to sabo and if someone found clues on it cause i'm hoping for another marineford with mugiwara leading the charge this tiem

[modern grove]

It think we get some clues after act 3 ends

[patent sail]

Yeah I’m desperate about learning what’s happening outside Wano.

[static mortar]

i hardly can believe shit went already emperor levels and two of them to boot

he already facing the topmost bounty out there, yikes

[modern grove]

Nah there is still an act 4- the climax and the conclusion

[lone hedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/164971940648321024/812008302815739914/Untitled-12.png

[modern grove]

I thought oda was coping that old japanese act structure

[amber oar]

Kabuki could have 3 or 4 acts

[static mortar]

act 4 gear 4, act 5 gear 5

[modern grove]

I said it would have 4 acts

Then I would be wrong lmao

[sacred hawk]

Hell, the ACTUAL one piece kabuki play was only 3 acts

[dusky acorn]

Well, I do think it's suitable to get another act intermission around the time of the war's conclusion, since 6 days have already passed since the last one, so there's some new sights to be seen already.
Although, there could just as easily only be 3 acts, and the final flash around the world might only occur when the entire arc is over, meaning even more days would pass since then

Either way I think everyone can agree we'll be getting one huge intermission once the arc ends, it only comes down to if there's a smaller one in between now and then

[random yacht]

yeah

I think everyone wants to see what exactly happened at the reverie

but with the acts discussion it really is up to oda if he adapts the classic 3 act structure or the kabuki theater 5 act structure
although I think it's more likely that we'll only see 3 acts, since act 3 usually involves the climax of the story and it looks like we are quickly approaching the climax of the arc

[near beacon]

So oden is alive, i think it was obvious as we never saw what happened to Toki. She is definitely involved in this via her time manipulation prowess

[kind gate]

no

[static mortar]

maybe we gonna get a 3d act with a defeat motif, i wouldn't mind, and an intermission

but it's hard to tell, way too many players in the game and luffy defeats his own after everyone has defeated their own adversary and still the fights haven't locked so who knows, we prolly 20-30 chapters away from any ending unless it goes defeat due to something unforeseen

[pure raven]

Do you think there are any more players yet to arrive in the fold? People have been speculating Moria for a long time because he wants revenge on Kaido.

[dusky acorn]

It's so fitting in my head for Moria to join the Wano arc where it almost feels like a red herring at this point..

I do wonder if Moria joined Blackbeard's crew, then I suppose Perona may as well

They'd probably all be under Shiryu's division lol

[random yacht]

Hmm, maybe
I'm neutral on that matter, but that can change depending on what's actually going on with Oden
If it's devon, BB is definitely gonna be involved, but that's unlikely to even be the case

[static mortar]

cp0, was the shadow that freed law from prison ever cleared, was it Denjiro? oden identity is prolly the tip of a faction yet unrevealed, be it blackbeard pirates or spirits or whatever haha

oda still hiding his cards haha

[echo ingot]

Do you think Fujitora would bring Luffy and Law to Akainu in the future arcs eventually? Or he would bring them, but only to take down the government? xd

[dusky acorn]

Yep the figure was cleared up during this war. X Drake was the one who freed Law, and that's why he had to defect from the crew, since they spotted him doing so

[sturdy hawk]

If they make a new division and a new SH joins it would mirror it perfectly

[static mortar]

oh right, that's a possible foreshadow, let's say sabo is gonna be executed, it could be a plan to be captured and that would tie it all in a nice bow

[static mortar]

thank u, i didn't pay enough attention 😅

[lyric dust]

shim are you still on the Urouge - Blackbeard thing?

[dusky acorn]

Of course xrzen, I talked about it earlier today with Earl even

[static mortar]

oh right urouge is the only one of the worst generation to have not gotten into an arc right?

bonney probably being part of sabo's side story

[dusky acorn]

Urouge is the current most mysterious Worst Generation member and with the least focus, yep

[static mortar]

why most mysterious member?

[lyric dust]

i don't remember if you said this in your theory, but do you think hes one of the titanic captains or just a pirate affiliated with him?

[static mortar]

he seems fairly untied to anything

[dusky acorn]

Everything about him, down to his motives, reasoning for invading Totland, etc are all obscured

Whereas we know the deal with all the other Supernova, even Bonney now. We know she has a story with Kuma and wants to free him

Yeah I believe it's most likely that he's the legitamate 10th Titanic Captain

It's the most likely scenario in my mind, but he could also have some other sort of affiliation

[static mortar]

titanic captain?

[lyric dust]

I'm leaning more towards him just being a pirate affiliated with him, like Pinkbeard

[dusky acorn]

They're the name of Blackbeard*'s commanders, it's sort of similar to Whitebeard's crew structure

[static mortar]

ah, the blackbeard ones

[dusky acorn]

Each a captain of a respective ship, and then a division/mini-crew underneath each one

[static mortar]

didn't aokiji join the bb crew?

[dusky acorn]

We don't know what kind of affiliation Aokiji has exactly, but his words seem to imply it's not super direct to the point where he's an actual crew member

[lyric dust]

He allied himself with blackbeard, thats really all we know

[dusky acorn]

Since he says there's things people can see only when they stay independant

[static mortar]

ye, wano has a slow pacing, honestly i'm not enjoying it much but i know i will on reread

the only arc i find tedious every time is fishman island, all the others only get better on reread

[lyric dust]

Aokijis also just traveling around with his penguin thingy

[dusky acorn]

Wano will most definitely be better on reread, everyone that was complaining about this latest chapter's break also won't be an issue on reread, things like those

[dreamy widget]

yea not enjoying wano either

[static mortar]

one fail of it is kaido isn't as well established as everyone else perhaps to keep it mysterious so far but also he does very little up to now

[lyric dust]

wano is cool, not a fan of all the cliffhangers though

oda and his damn silhouettes and stuff

[dusky acorn]

Kaido really needs to start having interactions with Yamato to further develop his character I feel. We already got some development from present interactions with Linlin but his character isn't complete yet

Yamato should get to the roof after meeting the Scabbards, and hopefully that triggers a flashback for Kaido. Best scenario in my mind

[pure raven]

I think a flashback would trigger when he's defeated. A guy like Kaido that worships death as much as him deserves a great flashback.

[quick tusk]

this has probably been said before, but one of my theories is that the silhouette was indeed Hiyori, and she tended to Kanjuro's wounds because she did not know he was the traitor, and he took the queue and kidnapped her and made the Oden clone to lead them to a trap of some kind

[pure raven]

Perhaps Momonosuke can finally harness his cloud ability and climb to the top of Onigashima from outside (where King/Queen can't stop him like they tried with Zoro)

[dusky acorn]

Can't lie, Momo joining rooftop scene as dangerous as that sounds for him is becoming increasingly more likely with 2 specific pages from the latest chapter lol

[lyric dust]

hopefully momo brings yamato and shinobu up to the roof to fight kaido

it would be a waste of time to walk up the stairs

[dusky acorn]

To explain, first there's Momo thinking badly about everyone overestimating him, while he thinks of himself as nothing more than a weak coward. He might want to prove to everyone that he's actually worthy of becoming shogun, hence flies to the roof on his own accord, leading Yamato to follow suite.

Next, we have confirmation that Kaido was experimented on to create Momo's fruit in the first place. Now MOMO of all people could be the potential trigger for Kaido's FB. Perhaps Kaido seeing Momo's fruit will start the inevitable FB, first tracing back to one of those experimentation while he was captured

[lyric dust]

I hope we get a Doflamingo type scene where he recalls Vegapunks experiments on him and he gets enraged

[echo ingot]

I miss Doflamingo 😔 Dressrosa had it's flaws ofc but it's all forgivable for such a villain as Doffy

[lyric dust]

hes such a good villain

[sonic lichen]

Y’all think momo’s fruit will get yo Kaido’s level?

[static mortar]

i wonder if it can steal kaido's fruit ability

when smiley dies one of the artificial fruits nearby becomes the axolotl fruit

who knows what'll happen if kaido succeeds in his pursuit of death

[quick tusk]

it was a cart of regular apples

[static mortar]

ah whoops

still though, who knows if there wasn't some trickery behind those apples

otherwise wouldn't all fruits happen near where someone with its fruit dies?

[quick tusk]

we don't fully understand the process I'd imagine, what we heard is probably simplified. But as a long as an intact piece of fruit is around it'll go to that one. I wonder how far the "powers" of the Devil Fruit can travel until they reincarnate in a fruit if its very far away

[sand sail]

All we were ever told was that it happens "somewhere in the world", it was never confirmed that it had to be in proximity at all

[static mortar]

but ye, i expect some shenanigans from momo having kaido's fruit, albeit a vegapunk'd one

[quick tusk]

I would imagine proximity probably helps though right? Smiley's DF reincarnated very close to it, unless Oda just wanted to exemplify reincarnation on-screen for the first time

[sand sail]

That's probably exactly what it was, if it's just a random place in the world Caesar may have just placed those fruits there in a bet more than a sure thing

[quick tusk]

the cart of apples was probably just what they lug around to later be used as future SMILEs, I doubt Caesar had that much foresight lol

[static mortar]

or what if they had been treated with sad

sadly there's no way to know, then again i don't expect vegapunk will make an appearance within 2021 unless it's in flashbacks or side stories like sabo or something

[shadow sinew]

Caesar explicitly said "we'll meet again". I'm sure most people wouldnt know proximity is a factor because I imagine it's rare that the specific fruit is very close when a user dies, so then it respawns relatively far away

if Oda didn't want to tell us that a fruit respawns as close as possible, he would have shown some random marketplace in one of the Blues and a fruit transforming there

and he certainly wouldn't have the scientist say "we'll meet again" like he knows how to get the fruit back

[static mortar]

ye, apples were intentional

[quick tusk]

the apples were def intentional on Oda's part, but Caesar? If he planned on getting the Sara Sara no Mi back after Smiley died, why didn't he?

[pure raven]

Cause he got his heart cut out and was being held captive

[shadow sinew]

what do you mean why didnt he?

he didnt really need to like rush outside, nobody else could really get to it in the poisonous fog. and soon after he was getting assaulted

[quick tusk]

It would have been far easier for him to simply have an apple on his person since it would be closer if he really wanted it. Again I think the cart was just there to exemplify the reincarnation, not because Caeasar cared about getting it back

[shadow sinew]

I dont think it's impossible the cart was just for example's sake,but

what are the chances, if it just spawns anywhere in the world randomly, that it spawns 5ft away from Smiley? And that Caesar just had a basket of the correct fruit right there?

[quick tusk]

No I agree it reincarnates based on proximity, I was just saying that I think the cart was not intentional on Caesar's part, I'd imagine the island has tons of apples for SMILE mass production after all, it would be found eventually

[static mortar]

smile must be grown

punk hazard had no plants

also the "we'll meet again" betrays intention

[shadow sinew]

yea I was about to say this

[pure raven]

What id really like to see is the straw hats actually finding a wild devil fruit. Or atleast keep a few for safekeepings like white beard and shanks did with the gomu and Yami.

[covert hazel]

They've been on the ocean for a long time I hope they find one in a loot room or something in Wano

[dusky acorn]

It really puts into perspective how rare devil fruits are if even the Straw Hats across all their islands and journeys haven't found a devil fruit completely naturally

Granted, they aren't actively seeking them out by searching every stretch of their islands, but still

[pure raven]

I doubt shanks was looking for the gomu gomu

I can’t remember did shanks say he looted it after a battle or was he just carrying it around with him?

[dusky acorn]

Lucky Roo said they salvaged it from an enemy ship as I recall

Presumably it would have been from one of their voyages out in the East Blue, which is incredible for some random crew to have

[pure raven]

Imagine how many animals have devil fruit powers and no one knows

If chopper was just a reindeer who ate a random fruit how many other animals have done the same thing

[shadow sinew]

good question

[dusky acorn]

That's a good point. I guess there's many animals that exist who would eat random fruits in the wild, but since they don't have human intelligence, they might not even have it in them to really use it

[shadow sinew]

Crocodile could have been an actual Crocodile that could turn into sand 🐊

[pure raven]

There’s a random bird out there with the bird bird fruit

Also Pierre

[shadow sinew]

Pierre was definitely a peak character design by Oda

[pure raven]

Did gonfal give him his fruit or was he just a wandering horse who ate it

[dusky acorn]

But yeah, on the other hand there's some very, very smart animals in the world of OP who seemingly know how to use their fruits really well, like Pierre lol

[shadow sinew]

was Pierre even a horse? I thought he was a bird who ate the horse fruit

[pure raven]

I can’t remember lol

Maybe animals can only consume zoans

[shadow sinew]

from back when we still believed flying Zoans were super rare that we were only gonna see 5 like Pell said

[pure raven]

If they eat a logia or paramecia it just goes back into circulation

[shadow sinew]

I don't see why that would be the case

[pure raven]

You’d think if that wasn’t the case we would see more animals with paramecia powers

A slug with the bomb bomb fruit

[shadow sinew]

we've only ever seen 2 animals with a fruit anyways

[pure raven]

It just leave a slime trail of explosions where ever it goes

[shadow sinew]

so not that weird that it's both Zoans

[pure raven]

I was just mentioning that cause paramecia is the most abundant devil fruit

[shadow sinew]

it might still be something we'll see in the future

[pure raven]

I assume vegapunk has done experiments like this

[shadow sinew]

I'm sure he has

[pure raven]

He probably gets tons of devil fruits from the world government because of their underworld connections

Maybe the world government just has a devil fruit bank somewhere

[covert hazel]

They'd have to have one

[pure raven]

Califa and kaku were just given fruits out of no where

[shadow sinew]

wonder how many more Paramecia Devil Fruit ideas Oda has. Zoan still has plenty of candidates that are more obvious, I'm sure there's still lots of possibilities for Paramecias too but it's starting to get hard to think of them lol

[pure raven]

The problem with paramecia is that they are just odas throwaway category

[shadow sinew]

I dont think thats a problem

[pure raven]

How about the cabinet cabinet fruit that lets you turn your body parts into cabinets

Or the pencil pencil fruit that lets you shoot oencils out of your eye balls

But then there are vague fruits like corazons

Are there any fruits with abstract concepts?

Define abstract

[pure raven]

Paramecia is definitely the most interesting category

Literally anything that isn't a logia or zoan is a paramecia

[shadow sinew]

Bege's fruit is pretty abstract. his body is a castle but he can also transform and create those tank wheels

[pure raven]

Like just a fruit that gives you the ability to alter space but only in the future

[dusky acorn]

Abstract fruits I can think of are Toki Toki no mi and Viola's Giro Giro, but stuff like them seem to have a pretty rare precedent in the story

[pure raven]

Yeah things like violas

Sugar's fruit involves mind control

I was mixing hers up with puddings

Wait that isn't even a fruit is it?

[random yacht]

iirc it is

[shadow sinew]

Viola's I can understand more, but Toki's fruit is very concrete in its use

[pure raven]

I guess that revolutionary commanders fruit too

I forgot her name the lady who rallies people

[random yacht]

memo memo no mi

[shadow sinew]

Flag flag I think

Bello Betty

[random yacht]

yeah

[pure raven]

Stuff like that where it’s more of an idea than a tangible thing or action

[pure raven]

Not Sugar I'm thinking of Belo Betty and her manipulation/motivation fruit

[dusky acorn]

Now that I think about it, I'd say the primary hollow application of Perona's fruit is sort of like an antithesis to Bettys. Instead of rallying up hope and courage, she riddles them with their worst negative emotions

But yeah, it would be interesting to see more of those kind of fruits

[pure raven]

Yeah and didn’t bettys fruit also enhance the villagers strength and muscle mass?

[pure raven]

[random yacht]

yeah

[dusky acorn]

Dang, Wiki stealing my exact thought process lmao

[shadow sinew]

it does strengthen them too

[pure raven]

Rosinante's calm-calm fruit is also very abstract because it deals with sound

But apoos fruit does that too

And his is much less abstract he just turns his body into instruments and the sound waves explode

[dusky acorn]

Oh wait, one very abstract kind of fruit we haven't covered yet would be Hawkins, and he hasn't even shown everything he can do with it. He said he has a card that draws out peoples power beyond their limits, so even that would be quite similar to Betty's

[pure raven]

Mmmmm

[shadow sinew]

I always felt like his straw fruit and "magician" powers were separate

[pure raven]

Yeah I think his fruit is what allows him to have extra lives

[dusky acorn]

I wonder if the reverse card to the 'beyond limit' would be draining his opponent of their power or something

[pure raven]

I don’t know how he can turn into a. Straw man though that sounds like a zoan power almost

We haven’t ever seen his extra lives thing be activated have we? Like him actually marking people

[shadow sinew]

does he really turn into one though? looks more like he covers himself in it (Sabaody), or just creates it as a separate entity (Wano)

[dusky acorn]

It's sort of a confusing ability, that's why there was even speculation on him being some kind of Zoan. Before Wano happened, we really didn't know he was a paramecia for sure

[pure raven]

He said he did it to laws crew we didn’t actually see it

[dusky acorn]

But yeah, I think he extrapolates his magician powers with his fruit, so they kind of work in tandem

[shadow sinew]

no I'd be interested to see how he does it. maybe he makes a straw puppet and plants it on people's bodies, like in a pocket or whatever

[pure raven]

I'd love to see Oda expanding on how Fuji can control gravity

[distant mason]

Shimon

[pure raven]

Fujitora might have already shown us his awakened powers before doflamingo

[distant mason]

The Tarot card that stands for pitential

[pure raven]

Vander Decken's fruit could potentially be a weaker version of Fuji's fruit

[distant mason]

The Magician

[pure raven]

Didn’t he cause an area of intense gravity on zoro or someone

[distant mason]

watch oda do that

[shadow sinew]

Decken's fruit is waay different

[dusky acorn]

Yeah if he ever draws out the card and it turns out to be the limit one he hyped up earlier, it makes sense how he got the epithet

[pure raven]

Do we even know what happened to Hawkins?

If you think about it, Decken's fruit could impose some abstract type of mass to the target which would cause whatever he touches to be drawn to it through a very selective gravity

Law escaped way before the raid started right?

[craggy pumice]

Hawkins is just chilling in the castle

[pure raven]

Wait is he in onigashima?

[craggy pumice]

he helped Queen and WW luring Drake out

[distant mason]

btw shimon

zoans are animals lol

not strawmeb

otherwise katakuri or logias would be ones too

[shadow sinew]

Me just looking at these mods not being affected by the slowmode (which I'm not even sure why it's here)

[craggy pumice]

to promote longer texts

[kind gate]

[distant mason]

we never learn what constitutes a special paramecia

[kind gate]

We never learn anything

Oda just adding stuff for shits and giggles now

[shadow sinew]

like what?

[visual merlin]

looks exterior

[pure raven]

Does it seem plausible?

[grizzled fog]

Isnt that just the straw extending his limbs? Like his actual flesh isn’t where the straw arm is

[visual merlin]

Yea I just figure thats the straw extending out and making these things, rather than his actual arms turning into that

[pure raven]

This is also what I thought

[kind gate]

Vander has aimbot

[grizzled fog]

I think Hawkins always has spaghetti noodles for limbs shim

[kind gate]

Fuji controls gravity

[pure raven]

Is it implausible to suggest that Vander Decken could also selectively control the gravity between an object in his hand and a target?

[grizzled fog]

I just want more Hawkins desperately

It’s time for him to get the respect he deserves

[craggy pumice]

[visual merlin]

He could have some really exciting abilities so hopefully he gets some onscreen action

[pure raven]

Objects fall to the Earth because of gravity. Whatever Vander Decken touches could 'fall toward' the target.

[craggy pumice]

he is gonna push Luffy with his cards

the new Afro/Nightmare Luffy

[pure raven]

Gotta bear in mind that he looks twice the height of Kizaru in that picture.

[visual merlin]

well the thing is really large

and Hawkins normally is like a bit more than half Kizaru's size?

[pure raven]

Hawkins = 210cm
Kizaru = 302cm
that thing = 600cm at least

[visual merlin]

well I assume that leg we see is an extension

and that his actual leg only really reaches to the end of his pants, or maybe not even that far down

[random yacht]

he may be like jozu so he can only turn his body into straw

oh yeah

[grizzled fog]

This is kinda how I see it, lines are where his actual limbs are imo

[visual merlin]

yea somethin like that

[grizzled fog]

Probably a hit off

[random yacht]

yeah

with the size of the straw man the arms could line up with the real arms

[amber oar]

He's a literal strawman, he can't win any debate

[visual merlin]

I really hope Law did something with him and he ends up on the roof

[random yacht]

it would be cool to see all of the supernovas present fight against kaido

[grizzled fog]

It’d feel odd if all of them went up because tbh I can’t see apoo facing off against kaido

[visual merlin]

I think Drake and Apoo should stay down, but for Hawkins Im hoping Law didn't just leave him alive to be a strong enemy later lol

and if he switches sides he'd be great on the roof, dunno where else he'd go anyway

[pure raven]

I wouldn’t call him strong he’s been annihilated every time we’ve seen him fight lol

[grizzled fog]

Ya know shim now that you’ve mentioned the idea I’ve become quite interested in the possibility of Yamato having coc

[visual merlin]

Well not really, he's only lost to Law, and we dunno if there was a sneak attack there

[pure raven]

Fauxden4roof seems like a sure thing at this point. It's gonna trigger Kaido's ptsd (and I'm not even kidding)

I’d call him vs luffy and zoro a loss

[grizzled fog]

No? He really hasn’t. He only lost to law. I’m guessing you think zoro beat him but that never happened, really not even close

[visual merlin]

Why though, he only lost 2 lives lol, he was pretty much perfectly fine and if anything put pressure on them

and besides, he doesn't need a win as he's already proven he's strong

[grizzled fog]

Unironically part of my thought process

[pure raven]

Also how did Hawkins get all of his lives lost in the jail?

[visual merlin]

And even if for some reason we considered Hawkins weak, one piece character certainly don't

[grizzled fog]

Hawkins lost 2 lives to zoro and he got horrible cards so he couldn’t continue chasing, it’s really quite disingenuous to call that a loss for him, or at least a win for zoro

[visual merlin]

he had no lives at the time

[pure raven]

How is that the case?

He could have released laws crew but I assume he would still have all the lives of the waiters and grifters he had under him

[visual merlin]

Fair thought, but he didn't for whatever reason

[kind gate]

yes

[pure raven]

Maybe it’s more proximity based

The guys at sabaody who died were relatively close to him

[visual merlin]

Fourth would refer to his own

[pure raven]

If he doesn’t happen to have a limit for the lives he can store that sounds lien a self detriment or straight arrogance

[visual merlin]

But yea anyway, Hawkins is strong, and even if somehow we considered him weak, One piece characters think differently than us, judging by how he's a nova who faced him earlier in the arc Im sure Law would consider him strong

[grizzled fog]

I still hold a smidge of hope for the theory that Hawkins managed to take Jack’s life as one of his own while he was unconscious and severely weakened, and he’ll use that against Kaido, creating a moral dilemma for him and maybe giving him a bit characterization

[craggy pumice]

I mean that could just mean he feels his powers have too much limits

[pure raven]

And if kaido decided to make him a headliner then id assume he would also be ok with Hawkins using kaidos subordinates lives

[grizzled fog]

I think that could be a great way to flesh out kaido a bit, and a pretty badass entrance for Hawkins

[pure raven]

If I ask whether you have an alternative explanation, will you say 'it's just oda'?

How many lives does jack have though

[visual merlin]

Just cuz Im on the page, Hawkins observation haki + Law hype btw

[kind gate]

for vander deckens powers?
if a man can control gravity why can't someone else have aimbot like powers

[pure raven]

I’m just thinking how hard would Hawkins have to try to kill himself to harm jack

[grizzled fog]

Law really thought that disguise would work against Hawkins

[pure raven]

If sulong minks can’t kill him and drowning can’t kill him

Jack really is a mini kaido

[visual merlin]

well considering its a manga , if this were the circumstance it'd take a while I imagine, but realistically Hawkins in this case could just stab his heart

[grizzled fog]

I doubt Hawkins could beat him but he could probably give a damn good fight

[visual merlin]

and then Jack's heart would also be stabbed

[pure raven]

But does jacks ancient zoan powers have any effect?

Durability and recovery rate are ludicrous

[visual merlin]

it shouldn't if you get stabbed in the heart. Ancient zoans are durable and iirc can recover well, but it's your heart lol

there's no real recovering from that

[pure raven]

You telling me none of kaidos internal organs were harmed by killers sonic slice thing

[visual merlin]

sure they were, it's just not like Killer took out his heart and stabbed it

[pure raven]

The heart isn’t the only organ that you need to survive

Any internal organ pretty much can be fatal if harmed

[grizzled fog]

I doubt killer completely destroyed any organs

[visual merlin]

yea? Killer hurt his insides, we don't know what he hurt or how badly he hurt it

he also didn't actually cut anything, he used a sound attack

[covert hazel]

No way in hell did that slash fatally wound Kaido, or even get close to it

[pure raven]

That’s what I’m saying

How could Hawkins do that to jack then

[visual merlin]

Because he's not using a sound attack, and we'd know he is hitting the heart

[pure raven]

I just don’t see it

[visual merlin]

We don't know what Killer hit, how hard he hit it, and we do know it was just a sound attack, it's not the same as Hawkins having Jack's life then stabbing his own heart

[pure raven]

Also we’ve only seen Hawkins harm himself while in control of other base form humans

[visual merlin]

why would it matter what form they are in

[pure raven]

If he sliced his arm while jack is in mammoth form what would be harmed

The anatomy is all different organs in different places parts are there that humans don’t have

[visual merlin]

this isn't the scenario, the scenario is he simply stabs his own heart, that stabbing of the heart transfers to jack, jack dies

[pure raven]

What if his heart isn’t in the same spot

[visual merlin]

???

[covert hazel]

But how easy is it to make a doll of someone

[queen arrow]

the heart is still the heart

[visual merlin]

it is jack's life, it would transfer to wherever Jack's heart is

[pure raven]

Voodoo dolls work like you snap their arm and the arm of that person snaps

[queen arrow]

if Jack gets stabbed in his human heart his mammoth heart would still be pierced if he transformed

[pure raven]

If you snap your arm but the arm isn’t where it’s supposed to be what happens

[visual merlin]

Boon it's his life, if Hawkins stabs his heart then Jack's heart gets stabbed too

[pure raven]

Like if you had a voodoo doll of a parapalegic with no arms what would happen

[visual merlin]

It's not like Hawkins can only take the lives of people who are the exact same height and weight as him

[queen arrow]

Jack has arms

[pure raven]

I’m saying that all of the parts arnt in the same place they would be if he was in fishman form

[grizzled fog]

If Hawkins slices his neck but the person who’s life he took is like 4 feet shorter so you think nothing would happen?

[pure raven]

That’s a person though

I’m talking beast

[visual merlin]

it doesn't matter how big the person is or where on the body it is, Jack's "fishman form" is his human form anyway. If hawkins stabs the heart then jacks heart gets stabbed

[queen arrow]

there's clearly an equivalence between human organs and the zoan organs, seeing as Queen not having an arm results in his not having a leg while in zoan form

[pure raven]

Mammoth form not base form

[covert hazel]

Yknow how when a Zoan gets damaged in Zoan form they have the injury in the same sort of place as a human?

Kaido with the scar on his chest for example

[visual merlin]

it does not matter what form, the person becomes the zoan, it's not like the form is a mecha

[pure raven]

What if it is though

[visual merlin]

stop

[covert hazel]

See: What I just said about Kaido

[kind gate]

lmfao

[pure raven]

My theory is that Kaido destroys all supernova with his Hybrid form then he trys to Kill Luffy on the ground and Zoro safes him last second like in Thrillerbark vs Kuma

[kind gate]

big mom is still there soooo

[pure raven]

OK true nvm then

[alpine hill]

Honestly, I wonder what Kaido could do if he borrowed Big Memes Homies

[pure raven]

wdym

[kind gate]

Which scabbards were sent into the future again¿

[pure raven]

Kin kiku raizo and kanjuro i think

[kind gate]

So this oden must be fake if he said you all have grown so much

I doubt he would be taking about maturity or anything of the sort

[queen arrow]

Kiku was one of the time travelers?

[loud ibex]

Real next week man 💔

Break *

[pure raven]

Bois do you actually think it was the real oden that appeared in the latest manga? Cuz I do, mainly because his wife can time travel

[kind gate]

Read my message

[grizzled fog]

No, Oden is dead and so is Toki

[kind gate]

How would they have grown if some only aged a month

[pure raven]

Damn I really don’t know anymore lmfaoo I guess we’ll just have to wait

[kind gate]

Yh

@dark palm present your wildest theory please

[opal tinsel]

that diff not real oden
can pudding devil fruit alt memories to make it seem like they seeing oden i am trying make sense of it

[kind gate]

Pudding¿

[hazy wing]

no she can alter past memories

not make em hallucinate

[kind gate]

Is she in wano too¿

[timber plover]

Personally I think It’s buggy

[opal tinsel]

i didnt see her on big mom ship but i am not ruling out much.

ok that makes sense that she cant make then hallucinate it being davon makes a lot sense as well with blackbeard finally making his move.

[hazy wing]

so blackbeard also made 2 teams one for wano and other for wci

[kind gate]

I hope not

[ionic wigeon]

Oden is alive and is op

[quick canopy]

It's a kanjuro drawing bro

[ionic wigeon]

Well I'm. Just gonna wait.

[hazy wing]

yeah kanjuro's drawing

[ionic wigeon]

Idk I want to hope

[hazy wing]

damn never thought of that

[ionic wigeon]

Because oden is so.cool

[hazy wing]

but wasnt kanjuro killed by scabbards already?

i only heard theory of oden being katrina or from past but this does seem possible that he is drawing

[thick sky]

check the pin for onimaru and hiyori theory. its the most popular one currently about fake oden

[craggy pumice]

imagine the shitstorm on Hiyori if she saved Kanjuro

[hazy wing]

how does benimaru's power works?

[craggy pumice]

its either a devilfruit or the type of fox can just shapeshift

I prefer the latter one, we have enough shapeshifting devilfruits

[hazy wing]

katrina has power of nine tailed fox so benimaru is real nine tailed fox who can transform

[keen portal]

No he's not the kyuubi. Onimaru is just a kitsune fox. Not the nine tailed one

[hazy wing]

but he has power of one so he could still be developing into one

[dense carbon]

true, Shimon but I dont think I've ever seen the fandom in an uproar after a chapter before this one

[fickle salmon]

test

[keen portal]

The shape shifting power is not exclusive to the kyuubi tho. Kitsune can do that as well. The only difference right now being, kitsune having a single human form

While kyuubi DF can make you transform into multiple people

[thick sky]

wikipedia article abt kitsunes (not kyubi no kitsune) mentioned that they could take appearance of multiple forms

[keen portal]

Yes, but for onimaru specifically he's only shown his one human form Gyukimaru

It's 50/50 if he can do other humans. Possibly

[hazy wing]

ok so onimaru is kitsune fox but he still can transform like kyuubi

[dark palm]

it's just like

[thick sky]

yeah. he's not shown to have other transformation cuz it wasn't necessary so

[dark palm]

what would his fruit be...?

[dark palm]

kyuubi and kitsune are different things

they're from different myths basically

[hazy wing]

yeah but they both can transform into diff humans

[dark palm]

yep, kitsunes can transform into basically anything

even mimicking the appearance of a person

[thick sky]

would onimaru need a fruit tho? it could just be his innate ability

[dark palm]

that's what I'm thinking, yeah

the other side of the argument is "he can't transform into oden"

but if it's just his innate ability why not

so people say "it's a devil fruit" but what devil fruit fits?

[craggy pumice]

he could have met Oden because they said Oden danced through every region

[dark palm]

I mean, he met kawamatsu at one point YC

[thick sky]

All the points of the onimaru+hiyori seems valid except for their motive? I still can't see how that would be motivating

[dark palm]

before everything

Oden just going there to meet wish Ushimaru as friends is the easy solution

want me to link you my theory on it neko?

#manga-theories message

[hazy wing]

it's already pinned

[dark palm]

I know

[hazy wing]

i read from there and i think that and kanjuro's drawing seem logical theories to me
i mean bb coming seems too farfetched

[dark palm]

Devon would just be silly

plus, she would have no way of seeing Oden with his goatee

[thick sky]

Yeah. had Already read it at the time you first sent it

[dark palm]

well, the "oden transformation" motive being Hiyori wanting them to stay put in that room is valid to me

as they would succumb to their injuries otherwise

[thick sky]

Nothing makes sense ngl. I am still hoping there's some angle we didnt considered, like the fukurokuju

[hazy wing]

fukurokuju?

[dense carbon]

that sounds kinda interesting, Juba

[dark palm]

a spirit Oden would be the only one they'd listen to in this case, and it would allow Hiyori to convey said message without revealing herself

which seems to be the big thing for her

as she wouldn't want to burden them with her existence there

[thick sky]

Especially after I read on the wiki about fukurokuju that according to the myths "He is the only member of the Seven Lucky Gods credited with the ability to revive the dead."

Why would a spirit enter through the door

[hazy wing]

neko can u explain about ur fukurokuju theory

[dark palm]

why not lol, it's his apparition

[thick sky]

am Working on it, his disappearance and that wiki part had caught my eye

[dark palm]

not all spirits can inherently just phase through walls

[thick sky]

And why would a spirit be carrying two random swords

[dark palm]

I mean, they wouldn't be able to get said swords lol

I'm saying Hiyori would be passing off this oden as a spirit

[thick sky]

I understood that but would the scabbard consider it to be fishy

But yeah given their condition, they might just not notice.

[dark palm]

I think the lack of wounds is more fishy lol

but this would presumably be a last second plan anyways

[dense carbon]

Just read your theory. Sounds like the most plausible I've heard so far

[rapid carbon]

Devon lines up with Blackbeard’s tactics of showing up when both parties are distracted getting what he needs and leaving , taking advantage of chaos. They were revived only to get the ponyglyph info and possibly as hostages . They keep hyping up a big war that makes marineford seem small .... that makes me think it’ll involve more than just big mom kaido and sh

She could’ve easily seen oden at one point in the past

[keen portal]

This is not the war they were talking about, the dwarfing Marineford one

[rapid carbon]

Or they could be there for kaidos df

I think it’s interesting to consider black beards crew presence in wano . Shinryu with his invisibility could have been spying on them for some time now .

[sacred hawk]

I just realized the next chapter of One Piece will be the 100th chapter of Wano

[opal tinsel]

blackbeard having some of his crew in wano wouldnt surpise me also I am still wondering why aokji working with blackbeard

[dusky acorn]

Whatever Kuzan's motive for working with them is, Blackbeard seems to trust him at least. (As a recap, Blackbeard said that the same goes for Shiryu so it's basically fine to him, as far as their past history with marines goes.)

All we really know is Kuzan gave them some kind of "word" for affiliation, but we don't know exactly what he said

[tawdry bramble]

He probably wants to take down the Celestial Dragons and sees Blackbeard as the strongest chance of doing so

[thick sky]

if that was the reason then dragon would be a good choice rather than teach

[pure raven]

alright, a theory popped in my head and will probably be deconfirmed next chapter, but i wanted to share anyways
if this is really Oden, and not some double, since we already saw his sad backstory much like the rest of the straw hats, what's if he possibly joins the crew?

[amber oar]

Aside from Oden alive being an already awful idea, it makes no sense to add the crew a dude that already did that same trip and has got the spoilers on what lurks at the end

Luffy stopped Usopp from asking for a reason

It would be literally like Rayleigh or Crocus joining

[keen portal]

Again, why would someone who's already been to raftel and had the grandest adventure of his life, leave Wano again to join pirates?

Leave his son and daughter, leave Wano vulnerable to outside?

@pure raven

[lone hedge]

Commander#9000 was banned!

[amber oar]

...that was fast ❤️

[thick sky]

who got banned and why?

[pure raven]

Dw about it

[noble ledge]

I have a theory too(ik it will be dismissed soon but anyways)...
What if oden was the person to receive the ope ope no mi's final surgery!!!!

[stoic girder]

Time to bleach my soul and mind

[amber oar]

from whom and why, and why Oden would accept someone giving up their life

[fresh gale]

Oh please...

[stoic girder]

Like it's one thing to suggest oden is alive, but then you had to take it to the next level by suggesting immortality?

[thick sky]

not immortality but perpetual youth, but yeah.

[noble ledge]

Lol

[fresh gale]

[grizzled fog]

God where did this dreadful Ope Ope no mi theory come from, it’s the third time I’ve seen it now

[covert hazel]

This has been the worst week of theories I've seen, and we still have a whole other one to go

That is assuming we're told how 'he's' here

[patent sail]

First guy who brought it up got clowned quickly🤣

[thick sky]

yeah but he was stubborn as hell during then

[lone plaza]

if oden is alive i would want him to be shogun instead and yamato jins since she’s the new gen oden

[ancient vault]

Someone bless this chat with a good theory again

[upper shadow]

Oda will kill franky

[lone plaza]

One of the original SH will die

[thick sky]

merry already dieed

[lone plaza]

original meaning one of the crew members before the grand line

yh but another one will die, and they should

[plush pike]

They really shouldn't no.

[lone plaza]

Oda is 100% not gonna plot armour the whole way through

it’s gonna ruin the story

[plush pike]

Even Usopp needs to go marry Kaya at the end of the story or I'll be pissed.

[upper shadow]

Brook seen Laboon but in a quite dying state

[lone plaza]

it should be usopp since he said he wants to die a brave warrior so it would make the scene more emotional

but i wanna see usopp telling stories of the crew in the end😔

Brook isn’t dying and that’s the dark side of one piece, he has to watch everyone around him die

[plush pike]

I had a theory quite a while ago that Luffy would die here, and then Brook would take the Straw Hats into limbo where he spent some time before returning to the world of the living via his devil fruit, in order to retrieve Luffy before he went into the afterlife. But that's obviously a very far-fetched theory.

[covert hazel]

I don't think anyone from SH will die

[lone plaza]

i think someone will die

[plush pike]

Deaths for the sake of deaths is not really Oda's style.

[lone plaza]

Oda doesn’t like killing off characters, but he will do it for character development

[exotic sapphire]

Same. I think it'll be oden. The chapter will be called Oden's Death Pt.2

[covert hazel]

Oh ffs he's here too

[grizzled fog]

Not having any strawhats die would think the story?

[exotic sapphire]

@covert hazel kiss me

[upper shadow]

Now that ppl know Oda doesnt kill, he will surprise everyone sooner or later

[lone plaza]

it’s like the theory of Shanks dying to Blackbeard for Luffy’s character development

[plush pike]

Also, do you even understand how many people are going to be pissed if Usopp dies and don't end up going back to his village and telling Kaya ridiculous stories from his journey at the end of One PIece?

[lone plaza]

word

[lone plaza]

that’s what i’m saying aswell, it’s hard to decide who will die because they all have a place in the end of the story

[covert hazel]

Why would one of them die?

[plush pike]

Luffy might die at the very end of the story though.

[lone plaza]

for character and plot development

even if it’s luffy, someone will 100% die

[covert hazel]

I feel like everyone's arc has a clear direction without death

[lone plaza]

might even be Vivi

if it’s Vivi i might shed a few tears

[plush pike]

I feel like Oda is not going to kill off any females, but that's just a hunch.

[lone plaza]

true, i know why you say that

Oda uses one piece to create the real world as how he sees it

[plush pike]

I'm not saying Oda doesn't push the females around, he hurts them quite a bit. But showing them dead on the ground like Ace would be kinda un-Oda like.

But yeah, the only two candidates for dying SHs IMO is Usopp and Luffy, and I don't think either of them will die until the very, very last chapters of the story.

[lone plaza]

he’s gonna have to kill one of the cast sooner or later cause now he got everyone saying “you don’t die in one piece unless in a flashback, or you’re the son of the pirate king”

i’m not talking about rn btw, i’m pretty sure it’s gonna happen in the last arc

in the final war arc

[plush pike]

The only way I see Luffy dying is by his own choice in Loguetown, maybe handing himself over to Coby.

[covert hazel]

There's no reason for him to do that

[plush pike]

Yet

[lone plaza]

Luffy the new gen Roger, he isn’t gonna die

[covert hazel]

I don't even think Coby would kill him if given the chance

[lone plaza]

the whole point of Luffy is to carry on the will that Roger couldn’t carry on

Coby supposed to be Luffy’s garp so he wouldn’t even do it

[grizzled fog]

He’s not Garp

[lone plaza]

yes he is

it’s either Coby or Smoker, we’re not entirely sure yet

[covert hazel]

He doesn't need a 1:1 parallel

[grizzled fog]

How about

[lone plaza]

ikik it’s just that Oda is a fan of them

[grizzled fog]

They are their own characters

[lone plaza]

it’s not rlly parallels it’s just the new gen carrying on the will that the old gen couldn’t, cause that’s the main idea in the story

[grizzled fog]

No those are parallels. Forced ones

Also not sure why inheriting someone’s will means you have to die in the exact same way as them lol

[lone plaza]

i never said anything about luffy dying????

did you even read what i said

[grizzled fog]

Oh i confused messages, but those are still forced parallels

Coby isn’t Garp. Neither is smoker. They are totally different

[lone plaza]

they don’t have to be garp, just luffy’s marine rival

smoker has been following him since loguetown

[grizzled fog]

Yea, and both are still unique

[noble ledge]

Guys dont you think looking at how oden suddenly appears even after being killed oda will make roger appear at laugh tale when luffy reaches there

[pure raven]

That isn’t oden

[keen portal]

I had to blink thrice and stare at that statement for a minute

[boreal rock]

no no, he has a point

[ancient vault]

It has always been like that and oda wont change his story just cause the community wants to. Killing for the sake fo killing is not odas style nor is the "character development" any other good argument. Usopps death wouldnt be for luffys character development. If Usopp truly dies it'd be to round up his character, most likely dying in a situation sacrificing himself for others or some stuff like that. And its not gonna be cause Luffy was to weak and couldnt protect him but rathrr Usopps own choice to fullfill his character and dream (tho his death is not a necessaty)

I think with the fact that Oda has set a clear place for msot of the SHs at the end of the story should let you at least believe for now that he wont kill anyone, except for possibly usopp whos the only one that talked about dying in regard to his dream. But he as well has a place in the story and clear direction at the end of the story.

If you truly wanted to force a death for the sake of luffys character developing or being challenged, I think Garp would fit this role a lot better. But thats just my first thought

[dusky acorn]

Characters have been dying left and right lately anyhow. It's not Oda's fault some readers discretions have been shrugging past all the important deaths throughout the last two big arcs and still calling Ace + flashbacks the only ones.
Kanjuro, Yasuie, Absalom and Pedro have all lost their lives for the better of the story. Only because they're not part of the main cast doesn't then mean one of our protagonists needs to die to even out some imaginary imbalance

[ancient vault]

Yasuei I feel like jsut gets ignored by the fandom lol

[keen portal]

probably because he never punched anyone. so "weak"

[ancient vault]

Yasuei isnt Yonko Commander 2 level 🙄

[lone plaza]

idk how i forgot about yasuei😔

no one likes kanjuro anyway.

but pedro was sooo sad

[static mortar]

otoko though T_T

[errant oxide]

Will Zoro keep his current 3 swords until the end of the series?

[grizzled fog]

Probably

[lone plaza]

most likely

[grizzled fog]

I think it’s more likely that he keeps his current ones, but there is a possibility of him taking Nidai kitetsu this arc

[keen portal]

as of now, he as a nidai kitetsu right? and luffy stole a sandai which he returned back?

o nvm. its the reverse

[lone plaza]

no

he has sandai kitetsu

[static mortar]

i hope someone's gonna make a sword for him, i just like the idea of such a b-story in one of the next arcs

[lone plaza]

idk if they should because sandai has been with zoro since loguetown

and zoro isn’t going to replace wado ichimoji either

[static mortar]

it's not like he can collect the cursed set anyway

exactly because wado ichimoji is unreplaceable

[lone plaza]

i just think he should make them all black blades by himself instead of getting one forged for him

[static mortar]

even a forged one would have to become a black blade through his efforts

i bet it has something to do with haki dropping in it permanently or soemthing

[lone plaza]

cause if he makes them black blades he will make them supreme grade swords

yh i think it has something to do with the sword absorbing your haki over time

like how enma absorbs a lot of haki very quickly

[keen portal]

I can see the sandai to nidai upgrade happening
wado seems locked
enma and shusui for the last, but only of them. He shouldnt have both

[lone plaza]

he isn’t gonna have shisui anymore, he’s keeping enma

and enma was also made by the same person who made sandai

[static mortar]

as he met the blacksmith of the cursed blades maybe he gonna forge another one for him heh

[keen portal]

no because some zorotards suggest he should throw nidai and get shusui back. have wado shusui and enma. I was countering that

[lone plaza]

no way

[errant oxide]

Yeah no

[lone plaza]

he should just keep the three he has now

sandai kitetsu, wado ichimoji and enma

all he really has to do is make them supreme grade by making them black blades

[ancient vault]

Throw the magic sword enma away

and get your own sword forged by hitetsu

[errant oxide]

What if while he’s fighting Kaido, the Wado is about to break from a strong attack or something and then Zoro turns it into a black blade to save it

[ancient vault]

Unless zoro fights mihawk next arc I dont think he should turn it black already

[keen portal]

black blade doesnt make it a supreme grade automatically. Shusui was made a black blade by ryuma, but its not a supreme grade. similarly, WB's bisento is a supreme grade blade, but is not a black blade

[lone plaza]

i swear shisui is supreme grade tho?? or am i wrong

[gentle jewel]

its not

[keen portal]

its not

[lone plaza]

damn, is it about the owners feats?

i don’t get how the sword grades work

[keen portal]

best way I can think of is, look at it like a gacha equipment. If WB's blade is 6 star, then Enma is a 5 star, and shusui is a 5star+

Yoru would be 6+ probably

[lone plaza]

but what makes a sword supreme grade?

[grizzled fog]

It’s the quality of the sword, it has to do with the maker who forged it

[lone plaza]

cause when hitetsu was speaking to zoro about enma he said, oden wasn’t able to make it a black blade and hopefully zoro will be able to, making it a supreme grade

[static mortar]

blacksmith of cursed blades sees zoro and takes all the cursed blades and reforges one out of the 3, the supercursed superheavy blade

3 in 1, offer of the day, heroes of wano take all

[acoustic helm]

Named as Santu kitetsu

[lone plaza]

ohhhhhh

basically, when a sword has a grade and you make the sword a permanent black blade, the sword goes up by one rank

[acoustic helm]

Yeah

[lone plaza]

meaning enma is great grade rn, but when zoro makes it a black blade it will become a supreme grade sword

and the same will go for wado ichimoji

but sandai kitetsu will only become a skillfull grade since rn it’s just a normal grade sword

that means the sandai might get replaced soon

[acoustic helm]

👍

[willow idol]

sword grades dont go up when they become black

[acoustic helm]

Then?

[willow idol]

they become stronger ie they rise up in "rank" in their own grade

[lone plaza]

“Enma has not been forged into a black blade yet! It’s rank can be raised depending on you” - Hitetsu to Zoro

[willow idol]

rank

grade refers to craftsmanship

[lone plaza]

if you truly say so

it’s just hard to tell what they mean when they say rank

[gilded willow]

yeah, the grade doesnt change

[willow idol]

unless theres some unseen extra grade for wbs glaive to go into when it becomes black

[pure raven]

Hey guys

[lone plaza]

cause some ppl can think of the meaning of rank similar to grade

[gilded willow]

the sword can adquire a power up, but is the same grade /rannk

[lone plaza]

acc yeah that’s a fair point

i see what you mean now

[pure raven]

https://strawpoll.com/ze5r3z4wh

Was it Oden in new chapter ?

Your Vote COUNTS !!!
Vote no or Yes

[gilded willow]

ITS ODEN BROO

[pure raven]

12 so far

[static mortar]

u need a third option,

[pure raven]

I voted it's Oden too

[lone plaza]

i’m sorry but the ppl who say it’s Oden are in for the biggest disappointment of their life

[static mortar]

always offer a third option, regardless if it makes sense or no, just to fish out the trolling 😔

[lone plaza]

remember when we thought doffy was killed by kyros?

[pure raven]

Lol

[static mortar]

i'mma say it's kanjuro's drawing, but it's so accurate to oden real self that it rebels against kanjuro

[gilded willow]

My theory is that Toki used an ability related to her time fruit that allows her to make the selected individual after a certain time return to the initial position where the "spell" was performed. so oden held out long enough and when he dipped into the boiling oil he came back with toki without anyone noticing

[lone plaza]

also just a thought but

if toki died, where is the toki toki no mi?

[static mortar]

lost in time, like tears in rain

[keen portal]

on oda's worktable, ready to reintroduced when the plot needs it

[gilded willow]

how you know that toki dies?

[willow idol]

momo says that several wano citizens witnessed her death

[gilded willow]

i cant send images any more?

how momo is going to know that, if he werent there xd

[willow idol]

!pics

[lone hedge]

Get a role (pirate/revo/marine/civilian) in #old-role-info to be able to post pictures!

[gilded willow]

!pics

[lone hedge]

Get a role (pirate/revo/marine/civilian) in #old-role-info to be able to post pictures!

[gilded willow]

look at that hair, is her

[gilded willow]

that could be a fake toki

[willow idol]

how exactly

[gilded willow]

like we all watch oden die, and he is there

[willow idol]

well we dont really know if its actually oden yet

[gilded willow]

considering that Toki is from the empty century, and has an important mission and they must have given her that fruit precisely to be able to carry out his mission, I doubt that she will die so easily but without any vignette showing his death

[thick sky]

yeah but her destination changed after she met oden

[gilded willow]

Besides that it is quite rare in itself that oda kills someone.

[lone plaza]

that doesn’t mean she’s dead tbh

[lone plaza]

toki hasn’t finished her mission i’m pretty sure

[gilded willow]

think that if she manage to escape from the war in the empty century, escaping from kaido is a piece of cake

thats why i think that she is still alive

[lone plaza]

sigh enel fans

[static mortar]

look at the nose, it's eneru

ah, i thought i had spelled it wrong, i keep mistaking one name for another

[lone plaza]

the theory of the inu inu no mi user being there makes the most sense, as well as the onimaru theory

because we see smoke under Oden, where did the smoke come from?

[static mortar]

tsk u can argue for reasonable all u want, after duval doesn't mean u are any more clever than anyone else

[gentle jewel]

lmao

[willow idol]

the devon theory actually has alot of holes in it,like how oden in 1007 has a goatee yet oden didnt get his goatee until after he returned to wano, meaning his bounty poster that would be used by devon shouldnt have it, and bb dosent know about it either.thus devons transformation into oden shouldnt have it either

[gilded willow]

there is no smoke here, so there is no transformation, the smoke cames from the outside

there is smoke everywhere outside

[static mortar]

proof smoker and caesar are around pulling shenanigans

[ancient vault]

Nah u skipped the entire panel above juro

[gilded willow]

u mean this?

that castle is not where they are

[ancient vault]

The smoke comes from outside because Oden entered from outside

[ancient vault]

No what I posted is where they are. Its literally tied to the page

oh god no its not

[thick sky]

and isn't that sfx bban ?

[ancient vault]

its literally infront of u

[thick sky]

like when the door's opened. someone was telling it as poof or something

[gilded willow]

thats the front

[ancient vault]

Similar door design

Thats the door

They are in the treasure/store room

[gilded willow]

look the door is different

that door has windows, the blackone no

[ancient vault]

It miht be a second door (with windows) behind the first door (no windows). It has similar symbols as well as there page is literally telling you theyre in there. Idk why we are argueing this lol

[gilded willow]

OHH HE USE THIS DOOR

[ancient vault]

This or theres just a anther door behind the black door.

[warped wagon]

The clothes fit mostly to the Onimaru (or tanuki teapot) theory, or?

[ancient vault]

Tanuki theory 💀

[warped wagon]

😂

[willow idol]

wait whats the tanuki teapot theory

[ancient vault]

Basically this

[warped wagon]

Yeah lol

[gilded willow]

cause the title is tanuki san. so they think that there is a tanuki transformed in oden

[warped wagon]

The teapot in Tamas and Hitetsus home ate the tanuki fruit

And because of the title, people are saying, Oden is the teapot lol

[gilded willow]

but with that theory how you explain the shadow from 1004 ch, that shadow is not from oden

[warped wagon]

The theory is full of holes

Why should the teapot transform into Oden lol

[gilded willow]

"The Toki Toki no Mi is a Paramecia-type Devil Fruit that allows the user to send themselves and others forward in time." I think it is easier to think that Toki performed a kind of ability that allowed oden to get out of the vessel through a "teleportation in time" without anyone noticing. And thus encourage the samurais to leave wano and look for good pirates to help them

[warped wagon]

Tbh I didnt wach the regarding Video completely yet

I am still convinced, that its Onimaru
Even the real Oden would put on his adventure clothes and not the clothes in the Panel
These clothes are Daimyo Kuri clothes

And the only One, who would be there in Daimyo Kuri clothes, is Onimaru, beacuse he probably saw oden as Daimyo but never as pirate (thats also why it cant be Devon or Kanjuro)

[ancient vault]

Or even better. We assume Oden is dead and doesnt ruin the story

Toki was all the way back in Kuri nowhere near Oden.

[warped wagon]

Why Toki? I was not talking about Toki lol

[ancient vault]

I was talking to juro

Also if she was able to do such things why didnt she just do it before they even went into the boiling pot. She wouldve unnecessarily risked all the scabbards and oden dying in oil

[warped wagon]

Ah lol sry

[gilded willow]

because they needed to motivate the samurais to get out of wano, if it weren't for oden's death they would still be locked up in wano and couldn't fulfill the prophecy

[warped wagon]

Further, I am pretty sure, Orochi checked the dead body
So a missing Oden would have been talked about

[gilded willow]

Maybe she use a type of ability that after a certain time makes the affected individual return to the original position of the spell, so I would not need to be around

[warped wagon]

Still where was Oden when he was sent
In the Grave?

[copper frost]

this page literally proves the toki theories wrong lmao

[gilded willow]

thats toki saying , who said you are going to die, she saved him

[warped wagon]

Still why does Oden come to a fight with his Daimyo clothes lol

[pure raven]

How did she save him? Sorry i just entered the chat

[ancient vault]

People keep misinterpreting it all the time

[copper frost]

i dont know man, toki was not there with oden during the execution, it's just mental gymnastics to think that she saved him in anyway

[night jewel]

apparently toki is crying because she saved oden??????????? like that makes absolutely no sense

[copper frost]

who is the oden at the execution then? a clone? why would oda dilute the impact of the death of oden in such a way that it would just make the whole execution null and void in terms of emotional impact?

[night jewel]

idk how the hell people interpret the whole sequence so horribly

[ancient vault]

Kanjuro clone

[night jewel]

[copper frost]

oden's death is the lynchpin for the whole arc, it is what has been leading up to for so long and you just think oda would do that bullshit in order to bring him back alive in the main storyline after all we've seen in this raid?

[warped wagon]

I dont know why so many people are ignoring tue fact of Oden comeback being a horrible writing

[copper frost]

LMFAOOO

[gilded willow]

lol, you think they can beat kaido without reinforcments?

[ancient vault]

Cause Oden go brrrr vs Kaido (he doesnt )

[warped wagon]

They have to

[tidal tangle]

Reinforcements dont need to be oden

[copper frost]

you think a revived oden would serve as good reinforcements and just ignore the implications this has for the story?

[warped wagon]

Ruffy the pirate King who never won a fight on his own?

[gilded willow]

ahaha there is no chance, in all the serie they never fought agaisnt 2 schibukai at the same time, and you want to defeat 2 yonkous in a row?

[ancient vault]

I said this before already, but if that was true and the clone managed to hold out that long then orochi would never have needed Kaido to begin with

[willow idol]

if only oda didnt decide to add the goatee 😔

[ancient vault]

why?

[warped wagon]

What goatee?

[willow idol]

odens goatee

[copper frost]

no you think oden is a reinforcement? oden already fought kaido and lost, albeit scarring him permanently, oden has died- there's no way any excuse you'd give would save the story and the arc if you think oda is truly going to bring oden back

[willow idol]

wouldve made the devon theory less implausible

[cyan berry]

Because it would've made Devon more probable

[night jewel]

moria will be the reinforcements, not oden

[gilded willow]

oden didnt lost, they cheat

[ancient vault]

[cyan berry]

The goatee is one of the bigger reasons as to why Devon can't be in Wano

[copper frost]

even thats more plausible than oden being alive

[ancient vault]

There are no rules
They jumped Kaido 9vs1 thats not fair either

[copper frost]

the damn narrator has told us oden is dead, he's dead dead

[warped wagon]

I see, didnt saw it the whole time lol

[night jewel]

izo's source told izo about the goatee, and thats where bb found out about it, just you wait

[gilded willow]

well maybe all the samurais are dead, and they can see oden because they are all ghost

[warped wagon]

Still Oden would be a pretty bad reinforcement

[cyan berry]

It's okay arsal, we can give up on it now

[copper frost]

[cyan berry]

[ancient vault]

[cyan berry]

Usopp's two moods

[ancient vault]

true

[warped wagon]

Its Onimaru
He is the only one, where the clothes of Oden can be explained well

[night jewel]

we will get 'em next time 😔

[warped wagon]

Sure

[copper frost]

truly the most range of a character in the story

[ancient vault]

You guys think Oda is bringing back cannibalism again?

Or wait would it be cannibalism if a zoan ate a human?

[copper frost]

let it be exclusive to big mom please

[warped wagon]

I dont Think it will come back

[ancient vault]

I think rocks might have the chance to be it tho (assuming he doesnt have the darkness fruit or swamp fruit)

[cyan berry]

It's not like Big Mom regularly eats humans or something

It only happened once, and it happened because she wasnt aware of her surroundings and ate everything around her

[copper frost]

yep, that was the once instance where it made sense for it to be in the story

[ancient vault]

Yeah I think Rocks did that

[cyan berry]

It's not gonna happen again, even with big mom

[ancient vault]

Let me type this out actually

[tidal tangle]

Kaido is making active attempts at it tho

[copper frost]

i hate that this chapter has brought in people who dont think about the events past in any sort of way that actually can seem logically progressive

[ancient vault]

Mangatheories lost its purpose for a few days now

[copper frost]

people already diluting such a great moment of depth for memes and wrong analysis of the things that are in the actual text clear to see

[lone plaza]

ohhhh

[gilded willow]

oden is with his normal clothes,

[lone plaza]

so what acc could be it

[copper frost]

either onimaru the fox or kanjuro's drawing, most likely

[lone plaza]

we’re on break next week aswell

i thought kanjuro died?

[gilded willow]

its oden, the first shadow of the chapter 1004 is toki, and now oden apear. are both alive

[copper frost]

[lone plaza]

if oden and toki are both alive wano arc would lowkey be ruined imo

[copper frost]

bro i've already explained to you in great detail how it cant be oden

[gilded willow]

why? would be ruined, thats your opinion

[lone plaza]

idk if they are or not but i personally wouldn’t like it for the story

[copper frost]

its not even a question, it would horrible in general, everyone would dislike it

[lone plaza]

i wouldn’t mind if either one is alive but both of them being alive is a massive stretch for me

[hollow grotto]

god damn Oda putting a break in now just to get people theorizing

[night kite]

the arc built up on the sacrifice of oden, I don’t think it would be good to have him come back

[lone plaza]

exactly

[lone plaza]

he always does this🤣🤣

[hollow grotto]

It would personally for me, ruin Wano if Oden was alive and I'm sure Oda knows a lot of people would feel the same

Too much hitches on Oden's death for it to be satisfying that he's alive

[lone plaza]

also, yamato would go crazy

[gilded willow]

there is a better chance that oden and toki are alive than usop doing something useful in this war

[hollow grotto]

true that

[lone plaza]

nah idt they’re alive because we have been talking about how Oden sacrificed himself for his country for so many arcs for him to just appear alive

idk how i would feel about toki tho

[copper frost]

oden dying is what led to this damn war, him being alive would ruin the wholeass war and everything the scabbards did so far, plus oda showed him getting shot and falling into the oil very clearly, there's not doubt here.

[ancient vault]

@copper frost uh idk if u know this but like what do u think is the youngest age people can remember back to their childhood in one piece? Or do you remember any situation like that where it was very young

[austere sandal]

They aint fighting the war because oden is dead they fighting it so that wano can be opened to the world

[copper frost]

they are fighting to fulfil his final wish - to open wano

[austere sandal]

But not because he's dead

[ancient vault]

Very young I mean like under 5 years old

[lone plaza]

yh

[copper frost]

i guess, momo remembering roger?

[gilded willow]

and if oden had not faked his death it would not happen

[night kite]

Oden being alive would completely make the entire backstory less meaningful imo

[ancient vault]

Perfect thx bro

[lone plaza]

frrr

[austere sandal]

Like him being alive wouldnt change that, or if he had died of old age. They would still be fighting.

[lone plaza]

nah oden being alive would ruin the whole wano arc

[copper frost]

oden being alive would've led to wano being open by now lmfao

[night kite]

facts by

[ancient vault]

Momo was like 2 or 3 am i right?

[copper frost]

about 3-4 years old

[lone plaza]

rn momo is like 12 right?