the-future

[atomic compass]

I have The Art of Doom Eternal book and Hugo or someone else at id during development said they had to work with Whiplash’s design to not look sexualized or anything

Like I do get it, it’s an M rated game but like, video creators though

They would need to manually censor that if they did

[sharp grotto]

Add a censor option

[cosmic ember]

how would that work

[atomic compass]

Changing the model design I guess

[cosmic ember]

put a 2d bar over it? lol
the whiplash design doesnt even look sexualized, showing breasts is not always to make them look spicy

[sharp grotto]

Cyberpunk 2077 it where u can have nudity in ur playthrough or not

[atomic compass]

Wasn’t saying it was, devs said it did need some work though to not have any possibly nudity or anything

[solar crown]

Ok but the intern is justified

[atomic compass]

I don’t remember what video it was but I do remember somewhere they said it

[solar crown]

I mean, honestly you could play with the whole "wants to seduce you" but i a "seduce you to kill"

[cosmic ember]

whiplash didnt even look like a succubus it was just female cause female tbh

[solar crown]

Tbf whiplash having boobs would just be.... dumb
Would it slide over it's boobs? Yeah, no

[atomic compass]

again wasn’t saying that, just making a comparison

[atomic compass]

Yeah like really I don’t think it mattered what gender the demon even was

[feral plover]

The Whiplash shit was dumb. Hugo like literally said false shit lmao

[cosmic ember]

arent a bunch of the demons female in lore without looking feminine

[atomic compass]

If anything have all demons have a male and female counterpart, I don’t care either way

[atomic compass]

They don’t need to be

[feral plover]

Some demon species are exclusively female.

[cosmic ember]

yea there should be randomizers that spawn slight variants of demons
imps and cacos have more orange or pink tones, marauders and pain elementals have more or less horns with different designs, etc

[feral plover]

Hugo was like "The Whiplash is the first female demon!" which is fucking dumb, because before Eternal we had Spiderdemons, the Mother Demon, Vagaries, and the Aranea Imperatrix, all of which were female.

[solar crown]

All demons are gender-nonspecific unless you take hugo by his wors that the whiplash was the first ever female demon

[atomic compass]

Female Marauder seems interesting

[cosmic ember]

hugo try not to fumble lore challenge

[feral plover]

This is why I don't listen to people who go "b-but Hugo says" yeah well he says a lot of shit. I don't care.

[atomic compass]

Hugo is a very interesting guy with the game’s story

[solar crown]

and that's why i only view him as a secondary source

[cosmic ember]

did he not direct 2016 though?

[solar crown]

Mono stop saying my thoughts but slightly faster smh

[cosmic ember]

if so he did a pretty good job with that

[atomic compass]

He did direct 2016

[solar crown]

why force them to have binary sex/gender anyways?

[cosmic ember]

some were previously humans so itd be a nice touch

[atomic compass]

Idk, just a thought I had about demon gender

[solar crown]

yeah no i don't think their original body matters after the hell transformation

[cosmic ember]

I guess they could just lose any sex which wouldnt be out of line for hell, no reason to have that matter

[atomic compass]

I mean it doesn’t really matter, but I’m just saying

[solar crown]

the demons have evolved for combat (most atleast), sex would likely be a useless hereditary trait

[cosmic ember]

true

[feral plover]

I do think some of them canonically have sexes but I suspect it'd only be "animals."

Like Pinkies, or Cacodemons. Those probably breed sexually, I feel.

[cosmic ember]

yea some were original hell breeds

[solar crown]

who says they evolved to have the bi-sexual system we have on earth today though

[feral plover]

True!

[cosmic ember]

hugo

[solar crown]

"hugo says!" opinion discarded

[sharp grotto]

he WAS/IS the creative director

[solar crown]

yeah, and some things he says straight up just don't fit in the lore

"whiplash is the first female demon" is straight up not true, "mother demon" ist he obvious one

[sharp grotto]

Amara still thinks he shouldn't be disregarded

[solar crown]

no but you do have to think critically about it

[sharp grotto]

Okie

[mint plinth]

who ever said it was the first was incorrect. You also had the spider mastmind

[solar crown]

yeah, hugo had it incorrect. That's the point

[mint plinth]

tech the caco might be female when you check out the back side 😬

Doom version of the succubus when?

[feral plover]

Death of the Author.

[feral plover]

Exactly. The point is not "fuck everything Hugo says." The point is "Hugo's words are not gospel."

He is the creative director. However, he's not infallible, and he frequently forgets details about his own lore (IMO, a reasonable mistake to make).

You can take his statements to infer the intent behind plot points, but they shouldn't be taken as explicit hard-canon.

[tough egret]

Who knew that this entire conversation was because of a conversation on the Doom Eternal update lol

#the-future message

[mint plinth]

it was the plan all along

but seriously, i probably know the lore better than Hugo. Fanatic i must be...

[feral plover]

Depends on what one means by "know the lore."

[mint plinth]

I have a PHD and super duper Masters degree in doom lore

[next oxide]

At the end Hugo is just a human being just like all of us.

[woven siren]

are we sure

[ivory bison]

no

[void quartz]

Y’all think we’re gonna see Hayden again?

[inner swan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRzUI_X2cOY

If there is a next doom game, let the slayer look like this

[high stratus]

probably gonna be one of the main characters in the next game

[cosmic ember]

ultrakill copy where hayden beats the shit out of demons pre 2016

[severe belfry]

baldur's hellgate: london

[inner swan]

yes

[weary ridge]

just remember the longer the icon of sin is on eearth the stronger it becomes

[foggy seal]

dude that meme became unfunny week after it blew up

let it go

[void quartz]

Yo didn’t know you have a discord, big fan of your YT channel!

[cinder dock]

I'll say supporting character.

[thorny rock]

As long as I can beat them up don't care

[thorny rock]

Probably yes

Or maybe some new characters

[cinder dock]

Force?
I didn't see the game pointing a red arrow on a demon that is female.
Beside, Spider Mastermind is already female since DOOM 2, I'll cut Hugo some slack as it was 20 years ago so he might be forgetting stuff.

[woven siren]

"force binary", she meant why do demons need 2 traditional sexes anyway when they're a weird group of macroversal alien species

also dingdong she was replying to a dude

[cinder dock]

I don't see what wrong.

[solar crown]

"Force" as in "force on the idea". Like automatically assuming it's the case.

Yeah, cause it doesn't do that but hugo said it, but i used it to disprove everything hugo says is pure fact.

It was the most obvious example, not the only one.

[cinder dock]

And about whiplash.
It has been consistently mentioned to be female.
If it is „forced" then It means the Whiplash is previously male changed to female for diversity.

So no, I think the Developer had made their mind already.

[solar crown]

I think... i think you didn't really understand what was said

[woven siren]

"for diversity" 🤦

jesus christ

[cinder dock]

Yeah, I do not understand the need to debunk Hugo's statement that much.

[solar crown]

"That much"
I'm only saying that to people who take hugo's word as fact

[cinder dock]

Can you take the fact that people (Hugo) can make mistake?

[solar crown]

To iterate on this, if you make a statement that "this is our first female demon" then you indirectly say that every single demon prior was not female. Which actually lowers diversity because before it was ambiguous, now it's not (unless you think that.... he was wrong)

[foggy seal]

i assume they meant it as a first non-boss female demon?

[solar crown]

Doesn't that just prove that what hugo says doesn't have to be taken as the truth?

[cinder dock]

It's a small mistake, that cause a small misconception. Let it go, one mistake doesn't disprove all other things he said.

[solar crown]

It's not just one, and it proves that just because "hugo says" it isn't automatically canon

The whole "primeval" shit that people still take as a "fact" that doomguy is this sort of hyper omega supergod which just... isn't the case lmfao

[thorny rock]

Why do people even talk about genders in DOOM? Doomguy is a man, and that's a fact

That's it

There can't be 2 doomslayers

And if we're talking about demons

Yea there should be female demons

[woven siren]

did the omega guy get banned

[short mantle]

We do not allow or condone any type of bigotry on this server.

[woven siren]

yay

[safe citrus]

Because you cannot claim victim status unless you shove your gender identity down everyone’s throat.

[restive depot]

doomguy is actually trans

[inner swan]

[feral plover]

Yes there can lol.

Doomguy is just as much an archetype as he is a person. There can be many more protagonists.

Put simply there is nothing about Doomguy that comes with the necessity that he be male. He just is. There can just as easily be female protagonists down the line if they choose for there to be.

[hearty quarry]

How tf is whiplash a girl

Also saying that definitely gonna summon the worst demons known to man

R34 artist

[atomic compass]

one word:

chest

[hearty quarry]

oh god that's definitely summoning r34 artist

[feral plover]

👹👹👹

[short mantle]

Because Hugo Martin, the game director of DOOM Eternal, said so.
The only reason it doesn't have the secondary sexual characteristics is because they wanted to use it in marketing material.

[hearty quarry]

yeah and god damn tho you wanna know what's worst than the demons in doom

the r34 artist, searching doom on the r34 website is a mistake they show no mercy the have the slayer getting *** by a imp with it's you know

[short mantle]

Keep it SFW at all times here.
This is not a 18+ Server.

[woven siren]

🙄

[thin trench]

the next doom game might be doom 3 under a code name like eternal

[cinder dock]

That's a You problem, you actively search for it, it will never ever appear on your twitter feed casually.

[solar crown]

Doom eternal wasn't doom2 under a codename though, it just very vaguely took inspiration from some story beats

[drowsy isle]

I don't want doom 3

[short mantle]

[woven siren]

chicken

buck bock buck bock buck bock

🐔🐔🐔

[fresh copper]

i get that it wasn't the best doom game but it wasn't bad by itself
the basic concept of doom lends itself to INSANE horror potential

[thin trench]

actually DOOM is first Doom remastered, DOOM Eternal is Doom 2 Hell on Earth remastered

[solar crown]

except they really aren't. Like i said, they took some vague story beats but that is it

[thin trench]

the only difference is the graphics and sound track thats it

[solar crown]

actual insane take

so you're telling me, that if you where to fully play through the OG games and then nudoom, you would only see a difference in graphics and a different number>?

[thorn flicker]

No wonder I hear the Icon of Sin’s theme when I launch Doom Eternal! 🤭

[hearty quarry]

no doom 2016 and doom eternal are remakes

remasters just have updated visuals and sounds

they are remakes since the story is kinda different

there more gameplay mechanics

[solar crown]

"kinda"
literally the only similarity is that 2016 is on hell, eternal is on earth

like yeah the OG games have near no story, but saying they are remakes because they took the most vague story beat is a stretch and a half

"inspirations" would be a word that is more close to home

[hearty quarry]

hell i got the whole doom franchise on ps4 and switch

also btw doom 2016 and doom eternal don't look shit on switch alot of people think that

[solar crown]

who cares if it looks mediocre, who's playing eternal for the graphics alone

[hearty quarry]

idk

i like doom 2016 and doom eternal on switch since it's portable

without needing a fucking gaming laptop to play on the go

[hearty quarry]

alot of people i see care about graphics idk why tho

to me all that matters is the story not much about graphics

[solar crown]

rip you with tag2 then

[hearty quarry]

but we don't talk about twd destinies the graphics look like from a early to mid 2000's

hell I'm surprised with the games they've got for the switch, like doom eternal, gta definitive edition, dying light, skyrim, mk 11

we don't talk about mk1 switch port

i hate mk1 in general since they only reset the timeline 3 fucking games ago

[atomic compass]

Well somewhat, they're retellings of what Doom 1 and 2 could've been if it was on a higher scale

not necessarily "remakes" though

[hearty quarry]

but anyways what would even happen in doom year zero

[atomic compass]

who knows

[hearty quarry]

but wasn't it canceled tho

[atomic compass]

again

who knows, they could've just delayed it because do note it said it was supposed to be released in 2023, but I think the pandemic with TAG1/2 had to do something with that and it's probably going to a late 2024 release or early 2025 release, but then again I'm also speculating so don't take my word for granted

[hearty quarry]

now that i think about it at the end of tag 2 you get sealed into some shit and in doom 2016 you start in that thing the slayer was sealed into

so if my theory is correct then doom eternal is a prequal to doom 2016

[solar crown]

It was a document from like, pre corona iirc or during
Tag2 just came out basically and the team barely worked on it

Relatively long has passed though since the last game looking at past id releases, if there is no teaser in about a year i'd assume it was cancelled but there is no confirmation either way

[elder viper]

This is completely and utterly impossible

[low dagger]

are the videos about the new doom game even real

and is a new game actually coming out

[solar crown]

Eventually
This year though? Highly unlikely

[solar crown]

Probably not, what are their sources

[low dagger]

idk i just saw a yt video leaking trailers for the new game

[solar crown]

Can't find anything if i search it on yt

[woven siren]

did

did you play the games

[feral plover]

They are not remakes either. These are completely new games.

Doom 2016 and Eternal are not remakes or remasters or anything like that. Anyone saying they are is lying out of their ass. They literally exist alongside Doom and Doom II in the same canon. They're completely new games that just have similar story beats.

[woven siren]

soft reboot

[static thistle]

doonguy should kill demons in the next game

[woven siren]

wrong

doomguy should become a fashion model

[static thistle]

doomguy should become a pacifist

[woven siren]

fashion being different types and designs of power armor

[static thistle]

He already got the doomnicorn

[woven siren]

i dont see him catwalking down runways with judges

[static thistle]

The judges should be dr elena richardson

[fresh copper]

she'd be crying on the edge of the runway yelling "he's more than just a man! he is DOOM!"

[opaque plover]

WRONG !! ❌❌
he needs to be thrown in dresses

[woven siren]

power dress

[opaque plover]

true !

[woven siren]

women should stop wearing skimpy armor in games we need iron skirts with spikes

[proper bolt]

Eternal is literally Doom 2 for Doom 2016. Nobody thinks they are 1:1 remakes. But that’s why 2016 takes place on mars…like doom 1…and eternal primarily takes place on earth…like doom 2 did. I’m pretty sure nobody is arguing Map 21:Nirvana was remade in Doom Eternal. But on a broader scale, that might be why people make that claim.

[feral plover]

The setting and the final boss are the only similarities, and even that isn't really true because you're only on Earth for 40% of the game and the Icon is entirely different.

[proper bolt]

Okay well you can nitpick percentages if that makes you feel better, but my point still stands. Doesn’t change why people will make the broad overlaps. There is way more than enough to work with for either 2016 or Eternal to be thought of as siblings like Doom 1 and 2 are thought of as. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that either

[solar crown]

again, they are more just "inspirations" then remakes

i think that if i made a game where the only similarity is that it's on a mars base and i fight a robotic spider at the end, with almost everything else being completely different, people will call it an inspiration and not a remake/retelling

[proper bolt]

Yeah it just sorta loosely recreates the events in a new telling

[feral plover]

That's not really nitpicking lol, they just straight up are not any of the things those people said they are. "Spiritual successor" is the closest term I would use.

[proper bolt]

Whatever floats your boat, man

[proud coral]

If this is the future, have we figured out DOOM lore?

[solar crown]

As if it's really complex and not just codex entries

[feral plover]

Yeah

[static thistle]

Theres even vids man its been figured out

[sturdy wing]

Like if 2016 is like doom 1 and eternal is like doom 2 do you think they are gonna make a doom 64

[south raven]

Followed by Doom: galaxy

[sturdy wing]

Space doom

[wide kettle]

Doom Origins xD

[mint plinth]

next doom game when?!

[atomic compass]

2025 is my estimate

[vestal rampart]

I wanna see a doom skin in halo and a Master cheif skin in doom

[thorny rock]

Probably 2026

[neon mulch]

Whatever could be the future, I'll just be good with a new DOOM game. Thats just about it

[feral plover]

I feel like If we never get a new DOOM game, DOOM will still be relevant

[plain cloak]

eh

debatable

I've asked alot of my friends (late GenZ'rs😭) and none of these mf's actually know what DOOM is,, they only know him because of Fortnite,, and no I am not fucking kidding

[static thistle]

Its still relevant innit

[static thistle]

aw no no no 🤓😱😭

[plain cloak]

it's because of 2016

[foggy seal]

even without 2016 people still would have made Doom wads and mods so point is invalid

[plain cloak]

not really

[foggy seal]

yes, that's the truth, people waited 12 years since Doom 3 for a new game (considering that whether it will actually be made or was canned and left behind was still up in the air) and were still making all sorts of content for Doom. So that didn't stop people before and wouldn't stop them now with all the functions and additions modern Doom sourceports have.

[plain cloak]

not really but we can say that

[foggy seal]

i say what i see , not what i believe

[plain cloak]

And you said made content

Didnt mean it still was popular💀

like people make content for all kinds of dead games

[foggy seal]

well you said "not really" when brought up people still doing stuff with Doom??????

also Doom never really reached enough obscurity to be called "dead"

[plain cloak]

i mean

compared to how long it has existed you can call it that

a server with 100K member for a game that had existed for almost 31 years and has alot of games

and if you look at the chats its not exactly alive

[foggy seal]

you have a very strange way to measure it, whatever floats your boat i guess

[solar crown]

over 31 years having just 6 mainline games is not "a lot"

esp not because nudoom plays completely different to OG doom aswel

[plain cloak]

for reals

[woven siren]

why does that matter LOL

[plain cloak]

for reals

[woven siren]

compared to other games doom is absolutely THRIVING in terms of custom content

like, there's enough doom mods out there that i basically use doom like gmod

[woven siren]

you feel to me the way your friends who don't know doom feel to you

[plain cloak]

what the fuck are you yapping about

[static thistle]

Its alive. Timezones are a thing

[woven siren]

kid who only likes popular shit

that's literally how you're painting yourself rn 💀

if you think doom of all things is dead and mainstream =/= relevant

doom 2016 literally lead to a beautiful renaissance of old-school and more movement-focused shooters, a movement bolstered even further by eternal

that movement's still going today, there are so many new fast-paced shooters coming out and so many people getting into them, doom eternal's sales proved the style isn't dead

[foggy seal]

exactly, it reminded people that this kind of gameplay is awesome and works in modern gaming landscape

[plain cloak]

bitch I literally just said that DOOM isn't mainstream and now you are saying I only like popular games??

[atomic compass]

At least there isn’t any games that are “bad” like if they were rushed in development and they took their time to make them

On second thought, Doom 2

[plain cloak]

Is DOOM2 really that bad??

[atomic compass]

I mean I don’t consider it to be personally, but I do know people feel otherwise

[plain cloak]

I bought it yesterday with DOOM1993 and DOOM2016

[atomic compass]

Doom 2 really is not bad

[plain cloak]

especially not for its time

[atomic compass]

It’s just that the main thing people don’t like are the maps

But that’s really it

[plain cloak]

DOOM1993 maps suck ass too though

[atomic compass]

Doom 1’s maps are objectively way better wdym

[plain cloak]

I say that because the was this one map on "Shores of Hell" where you couldn't see shit

and it was wayy too complex

[atomic compass]

You say that for one map and you account that for the whole game? You need to change that mindset imo

You’re leaving all of the other maps as if they don’t exist by what you said

[plain cloak]

true

Its just it caused me pain

I like the gameplay loop though

[atomic compass]

Then all I have to say is get gud, like I don’t know what else to tell you

[plain cloak]

get good eye vision?💀💀

[atomic compass]

No

Skill level

[plain cloak]

like the game isn't even that hard on UV its just the map which I use so long to find the right buttons and shit

[atomic compass]

That was like E3M6 I believe?

But them again the first 3 episodes are not that bad

Episode 4 is what you should worry about, as it ramps up the difficulty

[plain cloak]

hm

[atomic compass]

Just saying, I won’t elaborate

[plain cloak]

are the mancubi, revenants and archviles bad in this game

[atomic compass]

Doom 1 doesn’t have them

That’s unless you’re talking about the PSX version, then yes they exist but archie doesn’t

[plain cloak]

😦

DOOM2, sorry

[atomic compass]

Oh, well then it depends on the map

Like for example MAP16 is miserable; slaughter map

[plain cloak]

How does Archvile act in DOOM2 ?? Is he worse than in DE??

sorry for asking you shit but I am curious

[atomic compass]

I don’t think they’re really that comparable tbh, but if I were to, then I would say in terms of your arsenal in Doom 2 and with the right map, they can be a menace

DE’s imo can be killed easily

[plain cloak]

yeah

but if they live for like 20 seconds (you dont find it) they will get you killed in DE

mancubi and revenants though? how do they act?

[atomic compass]

Oh, forgot about this, Doom 2’s are actually significantly worse than DE’s because they possess one extra ability the one in DE doesn’t have, but I’ll let you figure that one out your own because this one ability it has changes the way you play the game

[plain cloak]

fucks sake

[plain cloak]

u mean the archviles right

[atomic compass]

Yes

[plain cloak]

how do mancubi and revenants act in DOOM2?

[atomic compass]

Mancubi don’t have the flamethrower ability that you have seen from DE, that’s pretty much it

They have not sort of close range attack

[plain cloak]

hm so only long range, thats cool

[atomic compass]

Revenants are imo not too bad, the rockets are just highly annoying

[plain cloak]

they die fast I guess?

[atomic compass]

Just a few rockets from the rocket launcher kills them

[plain cloak]

yeah exactly

I'm trying to get 100% Acheivements on DOOM1,2 and 2016

[atomic compass]

Are you playing on console?

[plain cloak]

and the 2 hour speedrun acheivement is bothering me in both DOOM1&2

[plain cloak]

sadly, I have a Mac but I use it for work and school

[atomic compass]

I mean I don’t really think it matters, play how you want to play

I find it strange there is no achievements on Steam for Doom 1 and 2

[plain cloak]

what

[atomic compass]

But 64 does for some reason

[plain cloak]

thats really weird

[atomic compass]

And idk if Doom 3 BFG Edition has achievements either

Because I never played it, I only played the original

[plain cloak]

Also

Are the secrets in the original DOOM-games important??

[foggy seal]

if you're playing something like Sigil - yeah, otherwise you basically get either stuff early or stock up on ammo/armor/health

[plain cloak]

k k

no secret weapons tho??

[foggy seal]

you mean like something that doesn't appear normally?

[plain cloak]

yeah

basically

[atomic compass]

There is

E1M3 allows you to get the rocket launcher early

[plain cloak]

k any other?? Tryna get that stupid speedrun acheivement 😭

[atomic compass]

I don’t remember any others on the top of my head

[plain cloak]

rocket launcher is good enough anyways

[lethal swan]

he charges with a fire attack that deals a lot of dmg and you need to break line of sight before he hits you

[plain cloak]

augh

[sturdy wing]

DOOM 64 2 DOOM 65

[upbeat mesa]

I am doonn slayer

[sturdy wing]

If you are the doonn slayer then why ARNT you cakes up

[upbeat mesa]

I am punching demons it's me I'm real

Check mate buddy

[atomic compass]

Did you mean: DOOM (2016)?

[lethal swan]

not this again

[woven siren]

doom is mainstream for gamers

[plain cloak]

mhm

this happened yesterday

[woven siren]

and in the gaming community doom is popular

[plain cloak]

Move on bitch

[woven siren]

yeah well i only got time to go on discord now

[woven siren]

are you 12

[lethal swan]

crazy mad over internet messages

[pale vale]

Fr

[static thistle]

Is this channel the future of doom or the future of arguments

[woven siren]

what

[plain cloak]

both😭

[tight surge]

I'm replaying D3 now and there's a lot of Steam achievements however none of them are unlocking for me.

So yes but no?

[short mantle]

NEW DOOM ANNOUNCEMENT TRAILER JUST DROPPED

Release Q4 2026 guys!

Link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

Seems like DOOM: YEAR ZERO was real afterall!

[atomic compass]

You really tried, didn't you?

[solar crown]

https://tenor.com/view/aslan-do-not-cite-the-ancient-magic-to-me-witch-i-was-there-when-it-was-written-narnia-the-chronicles-of-narnia-gif-13149002

[sturdy wing]

Doom 64 bfg edition

[static thistle]

Shouldve added this in announcements

[burnt breach]

other then the rick roll is there any new leaks or anything about year zero

[blissful vortex]

really good joke

[cosmic ember]

try a new link got damn

[feral plover]

Hey @short mantle, for reference, if you wanna rickroll people you should use this re-upload of Never Gonna Give You Up. It's newer, so people don't recognize the URL as well and won't see it coming.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kjr7US2Z9aY

[static thistle]

bro just gave me awareness

[radiant sedge]

why is it weezer

[lethal swan]

dQw
be better next time

[lethal swan]

doom 2016 bfg edition

[static thistle]

Doom eternal eternity edition

[mint plinth]

god damn i hope there is another doom game coming soon. I need the doom hype and lore/nerd off discussions to come back ... and all the silly youtube videos and making fun of Midnight. I miss those days

[atomic compass]

doom eternal evilternity edition

[hallow sapphire]

Doom eternal sentinel glory edition

[feral plover]

a lego doom game 🗿

[river terrace]

Skull

[hidden raft]

that be cool, at least ssg lego set to introduce cildren to this awsome game series

[tough egret]

eugh
that would suck

everything would be 80% brighter you would find twice as much ammo

[cosmic ibex]

would be insanely fun. bricks flying all over the screen. glorious

[spice moss]

Brick blood

[flat raptor]

wb DOOM Year Zero I thought it was fake at first but now idk I came onto here to ask.

[foggy seal]

yet again , we know nothing about it aside from outdated document, it may or may not be in the works

[solar crown]

It was scheduled for release past year iirc
The fact we don't even have a teaser is a pretty big pointer towards it likely having been cancelled, and probably completely reworked

[mint plinth]

I was in development at some point. Likely started before Eternal released in 2020. At one point it did exist - the documents were used in the Blizzard buy out. You do not lie to the FTC. So at the time it was Gospel. Whether it was cancelled or put on hold remains to be seen. But I think the most telling evidence of it actually still existing is the sales projections (half billion+). You just dont cancel that kind of future earnings with a company like Zenimax/Xbox without heads rolling and leaks.

I would also ignore the release years, they are guesses, much like the working titles.

I guess we will find out in 2 months at the Xbox showcase. I expect a tease at the very least with a gameplay reveal at QC

[flat raptor]

yeah i heard that too

about the xbox showcase but i guess well see thank you Zemini

[elder viper]

Speaking of the FTC I hope those other leaks will be talked abt at the showcase

I’m on the fence about it but Dishonored 3 is an interesting prospect to me

Arkanes recent track record hasn’t been the best though I mean there last game was Redfall

and Deathloop was ok I actually liked it

The AI was dumb though, like worst then Dishonored 1’s AI

[frigid oriole]

Something’s been on my mind ever since i first heard about Year Zero

the three final bosses for the original doom games were spider mastermind, icon of sin, and mother demon in that order

doom 2016’s final boss was the spider mastermind and doom eternal’s final boss was the icon of sin

so what are the chances that doom year zero’s final boss will be the mother demon?

[rain sand]

What is Doom Year Zero?

[spice moss]

The first version of Doom ever that was made around the time Jesus was born

[rain sand]

Wow

So we're like expecting the second coming?

[elder viper]

There not gonna keep the trend of each new Doom game being similar to a previous one that’s just unrealistic

Also canonically it doesn’t make sense for the Mother Demon to come back

As far as we know there where only 2 of whatever her species was

and Doomguy’s already killed them both

[muted hill]

whats doom year zero? is that like the next game?

[peak jolt]

They were working on that game in 2019 but they canceled it

[muted hill]

oh.

are there gonna be anymore doom games?

so far

[elder viper]

there for sure are

though dont bet anytime soon

[peak jolt]

I'm still waiting for them to add mod support to DOOM eternal

[rain sand]

I'd been thinking recently it'd be cool if they came back to Doom Absolution
it was the original plan for Doom 64, and then a plan for a sequel that never came to fruition
I think it'd work well. They could use the old concept they'd had where you'd see environments based on various different cultures' interpretations of hell, would make for a good reason to have more classic-style gameplay (but obviously with new stuff thrown into the mix), they could even end it by tying into how Doomguy ends up with the Sentinels.

[solar crown]

It's only very vague lines they keep, that isn't too hard

[rain sand]

it would be pretty cool if the next game was a 64 callback
the same way 2016 was big on redoing Doom 1, and Eternal hit a lot of the Doom II beats (hell on earth, etc)

[manic basin]

is doom year zero confirmed

[solar crown]

No, but it was planned for a while back and we don't even have a teaswr
Safe to say, it's canned

[short mantle]

no

[frigid oriole]

he also killed the icon of sin back in doom 2 and yet here we are

[elder viper]

And the Icon of Sin in Eternal isn’t the same as the Icon of Sin in Doom II

Sooooo

[frigid oriole]

why are there multiple icons of sin?

[solar crown]

he got revived

[frigid oriole]

wait

so is it the original icon of sin or not?

because saying he got revived makes it sound like its the OG icon

[solar crown]

there is only 1 icon

[frigid oriole]

okay so then my hypothetical still stands

because the mother demon could also be resurrected

[solar crown]

mother demon had a sister too

[frigid oriole]

yeah the resurrector

i played the lost levels

but what does she have to do with this?

[solar crown]

that the mother demon doesn't even need to be revived

theres clearly more like her anyways

[frigid oriole]

well my original text was that year zero might have the mother demon herself as the final boss since they already redid the spider mastermind and icon of sin

[solar crown]

not sure if the 2016 one was the OG spider mastermind

[frigid oriole]

m0no would probably know

but i dont wanna bother him

either way it would be cool for year zero to feature the mother demon or at least a demon of the same species

to complete the trio of original doom bosses

even though doom 64 isnt technically considered part of the classic doom games, it is in my mind

[solar crown]

the real doom3

[frigid oriole]

indeed

there was honestly no reason they couldnt have called doom 64 doom 3

i mean sure the OS and models are different but its the same exact style

and doom 3 has barely any connection to classic doom. it's really just the stone tablet of the soul cube that even mentions classic doom

unless you count STTP3

[solar crown]

well yeah, but they didn't

[frigid oriole]

they should've though

[solar crown]

ID didn't make it so

[frigid oriole]

but they did buy rights to it so technically they wouldve been allowed to rename it before release, right?

[solar crown]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1181254982465495190/1228424219394834634/image.png?ex=662bfe34&is=66198934&hm=5854084c1c95c6380ca7eb342a836da28ce7dc8184fe10b666860cd231127075&

[frigid oriole]

and id supervised it

so id had the power to say "lets just call it doom 3" but they didnt

which is a bummer because now there are a bunch of people who dont even know that doom 64 exists

because nobody would expect it to be 1, 2, 64, 3

[solar crown]

1, 2, 64, 3, 2016, fuck it letters now

[elder viper]

It wasn’t

[mint plinth]

Classic Doom (1), Doom 64 (2), Doom 3 (3), Doom 2016 (4), Doom Eternal (5)

[static thistle]

Doom 1 and 2 are seperate games bro cmon

[mint plinth]

doom 2 is just doom 1 DLC

the true doom 2 is Doom 64

[peak jolt]

No it's not

[hexed falcon]

doom 64 is the real doom 3, doom 3 aint even in the actual universe as the other doom games

ah thats been said up above already

[elder viper]

I mean Doom 3 is still connected despite that

[willow willow]

according to a dev interview doom 3 is connected to 2016 and Eternal, in the sense that the UAC from doom 3 is the same in the newer ones just the events of doom 3 didn't happen there

[hexed falcon]

its like a multiverse thing, so far we've got three universes, doom 1 2 and 64 all in one, doom 3, and doom 2016 and eternal, doomguy was yeeted out of doom 64 into argent d'nur so he's not only the hellwalker he's also the first to travel between parallel universes

so yes you're right

its just doom 3 lives off in its own world, aside from the lore im also not a huge fan of the game, too slow in my opinion and the story literally gets in the way of moving on with the game, especially with the whole lockers tapes thing

[solar crown]

Also don't forget hell is the same for every universe

[hexed falcon]

yeah thats another cool fact about doom

that theres only one hell but many universes with earths

[elder viper]

True but he is the only Doom Slayer. He isn’t the only one to have fought in Hell but he’s the easily the most wildly known

[hexed falcon]

yeee

[winter nexus]

But that's only two universes tho right?

[hexed falcon]

doom 3 so far has been left alone but it technically is a part of the universes making it the third

[winter nexus]

So what was the second universe?

[hexed falcon]

unless you consider it the second and doom eternal is the third which also works

[winter nexus]

Doom 1, 2, 64, 2016 and Eternal are all in the same universe.

3 is the only anomaly.

[hexed falcon]

nope

[atomic compass]

well, timeline

Doom 1, 2, and 64 are in one universe, while the 2016 and Eternal are a different universe but everything is told from the same perspective from Doom Slayer

[hexed falcon]

and doom 3 is also one of those universes but seemingly untouched by the slayer

[atomic compass]

yeah

[winter nexus]

It's literally one continuous story, Doom 2016 is the sequel to Doom 64, it's the same person.

[hexed falcon]

same person different universe

[atomic compass]

I know, I never said it wasn't

I'm saying they're 2 different universes though in the same perspective by the same person through a timeline

I know Doom 2016 is the sequel to 64, I've known that

[hexed falcon]

in doom 2016 the slayer wakes up to that universes first demonic invasion, for him its not the first time though because he came from the OG universe

im just gonna call doom 1 2 64 OG universe and 2016 and eternal the Eternal universe

doom 3 gets to keep its name

[solar crown]

but it's multiple universes though, it's 2

and hell and urdak

[atomic compass]

classic doom and modern doom are 2 different (but continuous) universes while hell and urdak are dimensions which anyone can visit

[hexed falcon]

yeah there's more than three including hell and urdak

[solar crown]

arbitrary definitions, they are all universes/dimensions

[atomic compass]

you get what I meant

[hexed falcon]

its just for some reason theres parallel earth universes and only one hell and urdak, not complaining though i like the singular hell

[solar crown]

hell is the first world that davoth made, and urdak is the makyr's their world that they kind of elavated above everything else too

[hexed falcon]

yerp

[solar crown]

urdak was kind of a unique world davoth made too, or maybe vegafather himself

[hexed falcon]

yerp

i am curious what id's original plans for doom year zero was, like a reboot or some of doomguys fights through hell? or just separate from doomguy? idk something tho

[feral plover]

Doom 3 is connected to the other games. OG Doomguy appears in its lore, and many of its plot elements were ripped off in 2016.

It's probably more of a side story if you're looking at it from the POV of the overarching plot, but several elements (the Argenta) are relevant to other games through multiverse bullshit.

[feral plover]

Oh, BTW this is incorrect.

2016-Eternal are expressly in their own universe. 2016's UAC has never been invaded by demons prior to 2016 itself, and Eternal shows us an Earth that was thriving population-wise prior to Hell's invasion; whereas Doom 2 begins with most of humanity killed by demons.

The Slayer is a character from the first universe that found his way to 2016's. And Hell is a force that invaded both universes. Beyond this, though, they are explicitly two separate worlds. Doom's canon is a collecting of universes that all connect to Hell and Urdak in some way.

[river relic]

the diffrence between the lore in the older ones and 2016-eternal because doom 1-64 was you killed bunny I commit and now its FNAF lore long and convoluted

[solar crown]

Mfw people keep on blasting the "doomguy kills demons cause they killed his rabbit" myth

[feral plover]

Hey, that ain't fair.

This is better than FNAF lore.

Actually, like, trust me here, I know a lot more than I care to about FNAF as it's loomed over my interests for so long. If you think Doom Eternal fucked with Doom's lore you'd shit your pants at a couple of FNAF's recent installments.

[solar crown]

only recent? :kek

[feral plover]

Surprisingly? Yes. The quality has really taken a turn recently.

For reference, ever since Help Wanted the story has kinda gotten a lot better at writing and being more in-depth. We're in a new story arc that emphasizes AI horror, and it was really cool at first, with a lot of well-written short stories and ideas that fleshed out FNAF's themes and narrative. Before this, even, we got the novel trilogy which was excellent and definitely the definitive "FNAF story."

Nowadays though shit's taking a downturn, partially because Security Breach was so poorly written and was so horribly mismanaged the entire fucking base game is basically non-canon, or at least a very simplistic fascimile of "canon" events, and it resulted in this rippling effect where future stories had to sacrifice their own quality just to pull the weight SB couldn't and fix that fucking mess of a story.

Now the story feels very directionless, no clear direction as to where it's going or what the plot even really is right now, a result of lack of focus thanks to a poor management of the franchise. A frustrating turn after how promising things looked for a bit.

[mint plinth]

so timeline discussion, it is strongly hinted that the Doomguy (1,2,64) traveled though~~ time and space ~~ hell and ended up in a alternate reality. From there, he turns into the Doom Slayer and then beings 2016, Eternal.

How the doomguy crossed the 5th dimension is unkown, but we do not that Hell shares itself with all other doom games, so that means hell is a gateway between dimensions. that would also mean the Doom Slayer could find a portal into the DOom 3 UAC - or back to his OG world.

[solar crown]

where is it said doomguy traveled through time

[mint plinth]

well we dont know if he did exactly, but he did travel into another multiverse

[solar crown]

hell seems to have moved normally

[mint plinth]

but if you could travel though time via hell, that would probably break things continuity wise. Fixed it

[high stratus]

I know I'm really late to the conversation, but damn fnaf's story has taken more of a dive recently than Doom did in TAG/TAG2

[feral plover]

It's unfortunate. FNAF's always had a reputation for having insane story/loreshit, but there's actually a lot of quality when you look in the right places; like the novel trilogy, the film, or the short stories. But for years the franchise has struggled to take that level of quality to the actual games.

[high stratus]

I've always enjoyed the game's lore personally, I thought it was extremely interesting up until I lost interest after UCN released. I came back around late 2020 and I haven't really enjoyed anything story-wise in the time since, aside from some of the books

[feral plover]

Take the Mimic. In the short stories, the Mimic is presented as a horrific monster, this machine built by a father to mimic his son and play with him only to basically trash it after his kid died. The Mimic is directionless and implied to be haunted by the father's Agony, and it basically ends up murdering a ton of Fazbear Entertainment workers. It is characterized as an AI capable of mimicking mostly anything, and if it's copied can construct a hivemind. And then we know that it eventually ends up being exposed to information regarding William Afton, and mimicking him as this fucked up mimicry of a serial killer that doesn't quite understand what's going on.

See, that's actually very interesting, and very apt given the current proliferation of AI bullshit infesting art.

But that's the books. How does this translate to the games? The books, regardless of their canonicity, are not gonna be widely experienced by many fans.

The games simply just... don't mention most of this. The nature of the Mimic's "Afton" personality is so vaguely defined many just assumed it was literally just Afton's ghost. And despite existing as a character for years, as Glitchtrap and then as Burntrap, when they finally revealed the Mimic's first actual appearance not as an Afton-like in RUIN, it was to a resounding "Wait... who is that?"

I'm not saying multimedia is bad necessarily; but the franchise has lost a lot of focus. The books are now telling the majority of the narrative, while the games they're based on are becoming directionless and frequently retreading old ground while failing to push the narrative further.

[feral plover]

I love FNAF's universe and many of its characters. I stand by the quality of the novel trilogy, and I quite liked the film. I've also loved many of the games; recently I finished writing a 90-page story about them. FNAF's a bit important to me, and I actually prefer a lot of the newer stuff when it comes to its world and direction.

But man, are they dropping the ball with the Pizzaplex "arc." Security Breach was a mess, and their refusal to go back and fix it is frustrating. I can only hope to God whatever they're planning next with Carnival and the Into the Pit adaptation course-corrects back to some better, more consistent storytelling.

[high stratus]

To add on to that, it's not exactly clear what non-game media is and isn't canon. I've seen people theorizing and arguing over the canonicity of the short stories, it's a huge mess that really shouldn't have been created in the first place. While I have hope for the franchise and the direction that it's headed, I don't believe we'll get to an overwhelmingly positive state anytime soon. I'd be surprised if things were back to "normal" at any point within the next year

[robust pendant]

That's the OG lore! Yeah they changed it but it was the og

[foggy seal]

isn't that a meme overblown out of proportions

[solar crown]

mars station invaded, kills every demon there to survive
return back to home, demons have invaded there too
one of the victims is his rabbit
so why does he kill dmeons?? because they invaded twice? because they where destroying earth and already have seen their destruction??? nahh it was just the rabbit!!

[feral plover]

@feral plover is OG lore canon, and if so, is it the same doom guy from 2016, Eternal, etc? Also, if it is canon, how does Eternal lore apply to it; were maykrs doing maykr things during Doom 1993?

[feral plover]

The entire mainline Doom series is canon to the same multiverse. The original Doomguy and the Doom Slayer are the same character, just displaced between different universes and in different points of time.

The Maykrs were around offscreen during Doom 1993 but irrelevant to the story; around that time they were spacefaring and subjugating various races, and had been ruling over the Sentinels for quite some time.

Of note:

"In the First Age, in the first battle... one stood."
This is referring to the events of Doom 1993; this game's events are depicting Hell's first invasion of another world after Davoth's defeat at the hands of the Father, which is what sparked the First Age.

Doom 2016 happens at the end of the Fourth Age, for reference - each Age is marked by the reign of a Dark Lord.

[feral plover]

on another note, people said that the dark lord being all powerful was "retconned" in the DLC part 2

It was not.

someone called him a "cripple in a shitty mech suit" lol

which.... is probably innacurate

[feral plover]

Well, no, it is.

Davoth is not very strong during The Ancient Gods - Part 2. This is why he needs the mech.

they said the "He is you in their world" line was just to sound cool and it was inaccurate

Davoth never was "all-powerful." This is headcanon. Davoth was the first being. He was not God. There's a difference. Davoth's creation of the Maykrs didn't happen via magic bullshit; it happened through primordial engineering. Davoth was an engineer.
Look at him less as "God" and more as an Adam figure.

Davoth, in his prime, was as powerful as the Slayer is during 2016-Eternal. After the Life Sphere shit, his powers were taken from him, used to power the Divinity Machine, and transferred to the Slayer.

This is why Davoth needs a mech in TAG2. He's compensating.

[feral plover]

i said he only felt weak because a good player could kill him easily, and they said gameplay wasnt a way to explain lore, which kind of proved my point

also this is wildly off topic but who do you think would win between Kratos and Doom Slayer?

I don't really care for powerscaling. Based on what I know about GOW Kratos seems to be a much, much more powerful character.

They aren't really comparable though. Doom is a universe where you can reliably take out primordial demons with an assault rifle; it's very different from GOW's canon.

once i brought up that doom slayer can punch through walls, and someone said its only if the wall had a crack in it. But the crack is literally only there so you know where to go, and the devs dont want you punching every wall. In canon hes strong enough to punch through a wall.

[feral plover]

IMO it's not really worth mincing arguments for.

Canon is largely going to be the same as gameplay aside from small contrivances like punching not dealing any damage.

would you be interested in helping me develop lore for a video game i'm developing the plot of

i also emailed mick gordon about music for the game

My plate's already full when it comes to game design. I hope it goes well, though.

[south gulch]

Doom

[atomic compass]

is

[opaque plover]

pretty alr i guess

[sturdy wing]

the future is already the past

[astral totem]

I defo could

[twin marten]

We need another DOOM game or I at least do

[feral plover]

so.. its a zombie video game. theres already some pretty complex lore but there can always be more

[sturdy wing]

DOOM65?

[river relic]

same bro after the ending in the DLC I need to know what happens next

[astral totem]

Cool cool

[astral totem]

Yeah

They’re making one just haven’t done released anything for it sadly

[uncut sundial]

It will most likely be about whatever the fuck is going on in the world spear. But, of course, we may just get another Inter-Dimensional travel thing with Spaceships and other stuff.

[river relic]

true now this might be me but a doom MMO would be kind of sick

[fervent wigeon]

Doom x Mortal Combat would be sick asf

[solar crown]

Well we don't know if they are making one, iirc with their job entried a few years ago more likely not

[elder viper]

They wouldn’t make a whole game just about World Spear

We already kinda know what’s happening on World Spear as well

[true heart]

We need a Diablo style DOOM game

I would buy that in a heartbeat

[true heart]

Fr Fr

[low forge]

1. this is an n64 exclusive
2. doom 64 is technically outdated
3. it wasn’t by id software
4. it’s an objectively weak game

[solar crown]

1. And
2. And
3. True
4. And

[low forge]

1. that's means doom 64 can't be doom 3
2. that's means doom 64 can't be doom 3
4. that's means doom 64 can't be doom 3

[feral plover]

but where are the other 61 dooms😭

[atomic compass]

Someone hasn’t played Eternal clearly

[feral plover]

how is that connected

[solar crown]

1. Why not?
2. Why not?
3. Why not?

[atomic compass]

It will tell you in the game’s campaign

[short mantle]

DOOM 64, Quake 64, Super Mario 64, Mario Kart 64...

ALMOST as if it had something to do with being released on the Nintendo 64

[low forge]

I don't deny that doom 64 is part of the doom lore

[feral plover]

what does it tell? i havent played eternal

[atomic compass]

First of all The Lost Levels expansion for Doom 64 on the remaster by Nightdive is also canon mind you, which connects in with 2016, with the events prior to 2016 told by Eternal

[feral plover]

ok

[feral plover]

Doom 64's better than Doom II.

[short mantle]

the only downside is the missing SSG animation imo

[feral plover]

That and some missing enemies.

But overall? Better game. Far better map design.

[short mantle]

But the sound and especially light in 64?

[low forge]

to be honest, both games are weak

[feral plover]

Eh. Doom II's weak. I find 64 very solid.

[low forge]

doom 64 is: bad level design (one of the worst I've encountered in all my gaming experience), boring soundtrack, poor technical side, lack of mod support

doom 64 has only beautiful visuals

[feral plover]

Its level design is pretty great I say. Far better than II's.

[low forge]

in doom 2 at least the first 5 levels are acceptable. Doom 64 just doesn't have any good levels. I can only afford to complete 1 level in 1 gaming session in Doom 64. It's too boring.

[spice moss]

*Was an N64 exclusive

[feral plover]

Also "objectively weak" is ironically an objectively wrong statement. This is a subjective opinion, not a fact.

[atomic compass]

The only bad level is the one with the tower which is very short

Every other level is unique and has their own different things

Have you heard of “In The Void”?

It’s unlike ANYTHING you would see from Doom 1 or 2

It looks like stuff you would see from other mappers for Doom 2, but no it’s official

[solar crown]

And also irrelevant unless something is so bad you "there is no sequel in ba sing se" it

[feral plover]

Yeah and Doom doesn't really have anything like that.

[atomic compass]

Doom 64 did have technical improvements, but it was not trying to aim for something like GoldenEye 007, which if you think Doom 64 is on the “poor technical side” (talking to Dellou) because of that, then clearly you’re lost in terms of what you’re thinking.

The Doom series starting with Doom 1 did have a major impact of what id Software was doing in terms of revolutionizing PC games, but do remember that id Software DID NOT make Doom 64. They were the higher ups towards Midway in this case to approve the game.

Midway was only taking what was there, improved it a bit, changed the gameplay to their liking, and had fun making it. That’s all. I’m glad Hugo gave Doom 64 the recognition it deserves with Nightdive also remastering it in 2020, because it truly is a fun game and worthy sequel of Doom 2.

Do also remember, id was making Quake during the time Doom 64 was just started by Midway

Then Quake was released in 1996

Doom 64 was still being developed

So if you really want a 3D game during that time where it still has the Doom qualities, just play Quake 1

Or GoldenEye 007 for that matter

[solar crown]

Also don't forget that eternal... really does not have OG doom qualities except how some things look

[low forge]

it’s so unique that I didn’t even notice it, like probably everyone except you

[feral plover]

Visually I think it looks the most like OG Doom of any post-Classic title.

But gameplay-wise, yeah, it's nothing like them.

[solar crown]

Which is why i specified that visually is the one exception

[feral plover]

Yeah

[atomic compass]

The first around 7 levels are on Mars which may be forgettable, but afterwards in Hell for the rest of the game you will notice how unique stuff can get

[feral plover]

Oh yeah totally, that's why the game had so much support in getting modern ports and was very well-received.

You're free to your own opinions but baselessly acting like they're fact just makes you look silly.

[low forge]

because it has "doom" in the name. people didn't want to lose the chronology of the series

[atomic compass]

I admit, the UAC on Phobos and Deimos on Doom 1 is more memorable than 64’s IMO

[feral plover]

???

[atomic compass]

What are you even talking about bruh

[feral plover]

Doom RPG and Doom RPG 2 have "Doom" in the title. Do you see a resurgence in positive reception for those?

[atomic compass]

Doom 64 is chronological to the series

[feral plover]

What about Doom VFR? See anyone talking about how good that is? That's got "Doom" in the title.

[atomic compass]

Are you saying a series can’t be chronological if it doesn’t have a sequel number in the title?

[low forge]

yes, there are still a lot of ports for this game to this day

[feral plover]

Okay but do you see a resurgence in positive reception for those games? Where?

[low forge]

Its vr exclusive

[atomic compass]

By that logic then Doom 3 is chronological to the series

…when it isn’t

[feral plover]

(Well, it is, but that's not relevant.)

[atomic compass]

(Yeah I know, but not mainline)

[low forge]

I haven't seen anyone say anything bad about these games

[feral plover]

Anyway I leave you with this.

Critics agreed that Doom 64 was by far the best-looking Doom to date, exceeding even the PC version. [...] They were enthusiastic about the level designs, deeming them imaginative and much more challenging than those of the original Doom.

A Next Generation critic remarked that "even the most skillful Doom fans will have their hands full. And pushing door switches often causes whole rooms to rearrange and fold out into new shapes."

"Doom 64 pumps the tried-and-true corridor-shooter formula full of life, with another challenging, intense experience that showcases the system's capabilities." They rated it a perfect 5.0 out of 5 in all four categories: graphics, sound, control, and fun factor. [...] Most critics praised the game's musical score for its atmospheric effect.

[low forge]

I don't care what critics think, they obviously overrated the game

[feral plover]

I'm not saying you should care what critics think. But why should we care what you think, by that same token?

Again I get just having an opinion on the game, but you are claiming your opinion as fact when it isn't.

[atomic compass]

I would go as far as actually say that Doom 64 did a WAY BETTER job at being a horror game than what Doom 3 did

[feral plover]

In general I prefer Doom 3.

[low forge]

argument from the category “everyone has their own tastes”

[feral plover]

So then why are your tastes "objective"?

[atomic compass]

Because in Doom 3 everything is predictable and I thought what id did was boring IMO which is a sad remark from me because the game does have soul in it

[atomic compass]

In general I find Doom 3 as a failed horror game IMO, but we can agree to disagree, right?

[low forge]

yes, because I looked at the game with a sober eye. I also thought doom 64 was a good game.

[feral plover]

Eh. It's not very scary. I think it is a very solid Doom game.

[feral plover]

Your tastes are not any more "objective" than mine are, my guy.

Like you do not know what the word "objective" means. By virtue of it being an opinion on a piece of media it is not objective.

[feral plover]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1214741799026036827/1231980545412694067/image.png?ex=6638ee4b&is=6626794b&hm=1c22dd481975d13fbd77889f52aef2dcec3bd724e81931eb756513dfbffdd74e&

[low forge]

Excellent argument. but this is actually not true. Your tastes are not any more "objective" than mine are, my guy.

[feral plover]

Are you stupid?

[low forge]

Are you stupid?

[solar crown]

You forgot mighty doom and doom rpgs

[feral plover]

Never played them.

[solar crown]

Change that

[atomic compass]

To me I see it was trying to also alienate from its main identity, and be more suited with the other shooters like CoD which was not a good move IMO because that’s partially what made it forgettable.

Thank lord “Doom 4” was cancelled because I think it would’ve actually KILLED the series

[feral plover]

Okay yeah this guy's got, like, a tenuous grasp on the English language at best so I'm done with that discussion.

[feral plover]

Doom 4 looked like shit yeah.

[solar crown]

And sounds like it'd be shit

[feral plover]

I just like 3's gameplay. Feels more like "Doom" than the modern games are.

The modern games are amazing, but they are very different from the originals. The original Doom wasn't really a "power fantasy" it was you, alone, in a desolate Mars base surrounded by screeching, howling monsters in the dark. The game we play now was 1993's approximation of that concept.

Doom 3 is 2004's version of it. If you're playing the right version (OG, not BFG) you get a pretty cool and atmospheric game where you have to balance being able to see in the dark with your offensive capabilities, and ammo isn't exactly the most plentiful.

[atomic compass]

To me Doom isn’t a horror series

It’s a marine constantly making decisions to get what he wants out of the necessity of killing demons

[feral plover]

The UAC base feels lived-in and real, something the series hasn't really accomplished with most entries, as well. It also IMO has the best weapon-balancing of the series.

Virtually every weapon has usage and purpose. Whereas in 2016 the SSG and Gauss reign supreme, and in Eternal the semi-automatics are useless when you get to the higher-level gameplay.

[atomic compass]

The original concept of Doom was going to be more of a horror game, but then Tom Hall quit/was fired and the team just made an action packed game

Sure, it might’ve been horror at the time, but stuff changes

[feral plover]

Well, correction: the game came out and was still intended to be horror. John Romero commented as much in his book.

[atomic compass]

Ah interesting

[feral plover]

It's action horror. A game with horror tone and setting, with action-packed gameplay. Evil Dead + Aliens.

Doom II is what pushed the series more towards action than the original IMO.

Like, you gotta understand - when Doom 1993 came out, fans felt it was terrifying. Many were just deathmatching, but those who were playing the solo campaign were blown away by how realistic and terrifying the game felt, and how revolutionary its graphics were.

[atomic compass]

Bingo that’s why I like it more than 1

Couldn’t figure it out fully, but yeah that’s why

[feral plover]

Doom 3 was harkening back to that. Revolutionary graphics thanks to Carmack again, and a terrifying setting where you are the only thing that can stop the monsters roaming the halls. In that regard it's a lot more faithful to Doom than 2016 and Eternal, which instead reimagine the whole thing and go in a different direction than the OGs ever did.

[atomic compass]

Well yeah I can’t deny that, and also I kinda felt intimidated too when I was first playing it from Feb 16 2023

I had one of my friends helping, and now over a year has passed and I’ve become more powerful than them in terms of skill

But this is just to me but Doom 1 doesn’t really remark inside me that it’s a horror game

…If you’re not playing Nightmare that is

Nightmare difficulty actually does make it as a horror game though

The thing I’m terrified of is turbo pinkies good lord

Doom 3 never invoked fear in me since I could literally predict everything

Not even the imp jumps were scary, they were just REALLY annoying

I only got scared once throughout my like 3-4 streams of the game

[fervent wigeon]

I could lowkey see doom x helldivers

[atomic compass]

Doom x Helldivers would be like a collaborate for #1077645316725149707 100%

It doesn’t seem that too far off since we have freaking have a freakin Fallout Power Slayer

[high stratus]

Once again I'm really late to the conversation, but this is some real shit

I fucking love Doom 64 dude, I'm so glad it's starting to get more recognition in recent years

[feral plover]

It's a great game IMO - more than just a mapset for Doom with different enemies, unlike II.

Which, like, II is obviously a great game when you take into account the modding potential. Obviously.

But as actual, isolated experiences, II is just kind of a slog. I don't think it uses its new enemies in many memorable ways, and the soundtrack, normally a high point for Doom, is comprised of mainly boring elevator music and two very cool songs.

64 has its own identity. Good maps, Unmaker is cool, the atmosphere rocks.

[high stratus]

I'm not a huge fan of Doom II past the opening levels, I just don't like the map design or the combat pacing in a lot of places. Even with the SSG and new enemies, it still feels like a Doom addon rather than a sequel to one of the biggest FPS games of all time. I feel like 64 fixed that, the overhauled visuals, unique maps (most of which are just as good if not better than the first game's) and the fresh atmosphere do a lot for the game

[feral plover]

Yeah, I'd agree.
I also want to say I think Plutonia succeeds where Doom II fails.

Plutonia has a much deeper understanding of Doom II's roster and every enemy's strengths - even if much of it is to fuck you over.

[high stratus]

I've actually never played plutonia. I didn't play it for the longest time since I heard it was shit, and I just haven't gotten around to it

[feral plover]

Personally I love it, and it's my favorite IWAD when it comes to map design.

Short, simple, brutal maps. No labyrinthine shit, other than MAP11 and the last couple.

It's the hardest combat you'll get from the classic entries, and far better than that snoozefest TNT.

Just, y'know... better hope you like Revenants.

As Civvie-11 said: "I think there are more Revenants in Plutonia than there are stars in the sky."

[high stratus]

Who doesn't love more revenants

[atomic compass]

I argue in defense of Doom 2's maps, and partially the game as a whole

I actually like them, as it's basically different playgrounds for you to explore which I find charming. In Eternal I felt the same way as I did playing 2, but in a modern way (as Eternal is also a soft-reboot of 2). I do hate chaingunners and Arch-Viles (not so much though as they're quite rare which is fine), but other than that, I find Doom 2 to be extremely enjoyable. Each map has something new for you to explore with, which is what Sandy Petersen when designing the maps was trying to go for if I remember correctly. Map 16 is literally designed like his house which I find amusing.

The only thing I found disappointing was IOS, which I think we can all agree on was pretty disappointing for a final boss.

Oh yeah forgot about SSG, which replaces the regular SG IMO. SSG does have a longer reload time, but I've used it WAY more than the standard SG once I picked it up in Map 2.

[mint plinth]

Doom 2 is great, but imo it really is just Doom 1 DLC

Doom 64 is the true Doom 2, fight me

[ebon moat]

I think 2016 did that very well, but definitely not Eternal or DOOM II

[ebon moat]

I love 64 but I feel like the first 10 or so missions in the UAC bases are kinda lacking.

Hell is where the game starts

[hexed falcon]

true

[hexed verge]

@feral ploveryo man that link in your bio IS THAT REALLY ALL OF DOOM'S LORE? DAAAAYA

[cosmic ember]

it is

[hexed verge]

wow man
205 fukin pages

i might read all of that one day

[feral plover]

That's all of it, yeah. Took me a while.

[ebon moat]

I always hear the vast majority think Plutonia is amazing.

... and that TNT Evilution is the one that people hate on, as far as Final DOOM is concerned.

Personally haven't beat Plutonia, but I really liked it, even though it's kinda just an early version of much greater WADs of that style.

And there are some parts of Plutonia that are admittedly kinda BS lol

[ebon moat]

Back to Saturn X Episode 2 for example I liked a lot more than Plutonia and it might even be harder as well.

I do like how Plutonia maps are shorter though, BTS X E2 levels can feel waaaay too long and overstuffed for my tastes sometimes.

[elder viper]

Makes it even funnier that Dario Casali got a job at Valve and worked on the first Half-Life game after Plutonia

As a level designer no less lmao

[feral plover]

Evilution is simply boring. Worst IWAD IMO.

Plutonia is fun and brutal. Well paced and wonderfully sadistic.

[ebon moat]

Yeah that's what everyone says lol

[cobalt violet]

Evilution is a mixed bag, you have some good maps, but also crap like map22, also, it is truly impressive for the Casali's to cook up this masterpiece, even though it starts with a bang and ends with a sigh.

[ebon moat]

Why did I sour on DOOM 2016 so much lately?

It was my #1 favorite DOOM and favorite game for so long.

Even replaying it like 2 months ago, it was still my GOAT

But I replayed it again the past two weeks and I found it strangely the weakest....game in the series

[hexed verge]

W

[ebon moat]

I even liked Doom 3 Resurrection of Evil more than 2016 on my recent DOOM binge

I'm so sad.

[ebon moat]

Lol you did W before I finished

[hexed verge]

cuz i agree with u

[ebon moat]

Even the later parts where I soured on it very recently?

Anyway 64 and especially especially especially DOOM II WADs have been my absolute GOATs lately by far

[hexed verge]

i should play the old dooms tbh they look really cool even if they are old

[ebon moat]

Maybe I'm going through a weird phase and I'll start loving DOOM 2016 again.

I almost want to say I could be burnt out from Nu Doom.

But then again I can still have a lot of fun with Eternal because of the crazy movement and combos you can do

[hexed verge]

i really enjoyed 2016 and now im getting on hardly on eternal

[hexed verge]

get all the achievements

its worth it

if u want to have more fun with 2016 get all the achievements

thats what i did and i loved it

[ebon moat]

I think one of my big problems is the weapon wheel is so buggy and unresponsive on the Xbox version

I think it's been really annoying me lately and leaving me a bit bitter

[hexed verge]

damn thats sad

[ebon moat]

If I played 2016 on PC, it'd probably still be my GOAT maybe

[hexed verge]

sure but the 54 achievements on pc are not cool

its very painful

[ebon moat]

Damn

[ebon moat]

Idk I was just playing with not much weapon wheel problems right now and I still don't like it nearly as much as I used to

And yeah I would say I like Eternal more than 2016.

Significantly more even

[ebon moat]

At this point

[elder viper]

They hold up greatly

Really good games

[ebon moat]

Without WADs, 64 is my favorite. My favorite DOOM in general, not even just Classic

Classic Doom is really epic

[elder viper]

Classic Doom is my favorite

Musics my favorite out of the classic games the levels are fun

Except E3M7

[ebon moat]

By classic do you mean 1993?

Because II and 64 are classic too

[elder viper]

yeah, but when people say Classic Doom they usually mean the 1993 one

never seen someone refer to Doom II or Doom 64 as Classic Doom unless talking about all the classic games in general

[atomic compass]

E3M7 ain't that bad imo, just confusing. However the level I loathe the most is E4M6

[vagrant shuttle]

Any word on a new doom?

[feral plover]

I have an idea for a new Doom game.
I don't got much more ideas on the info, but I just know I think it would be cool if it was called "Doom: The Demon Within" and you can have a new power to turn into any demon you want for a specific amount of itme.

*time

[twin warren]

so like shapeshifting?

[hexed falcon]

secret ending of the game, killing yourself because you are demon

[feral plover]

Basically, yes.

[peak jolt]

Is it kind of like Doom 2016 multiplayer? when you kill a demon you become one?

Or do you have to like unlock that ability?

[static thistle]

so its just symbiote surge and spartan rage

[peak jolt]

Maybe

[static thistle]

petition for the next doom game to not be buggy

[peak jolt]

Hell yeah

[peak jolt]

Friendly fire will not be tolerated

[prisma narwhal]

Play as more demons in campaign the revenant part in cultist base was to fun I want more

[winter nexus]

I don't think so yet. It's possible that they'll work on Quake or something else next though.

[static thistle]

Demon skins should apply to campaign 🙏🙏🙏

[hexed falcon]

TRUUEE

[feral plover]

when i first realized they didnt i thought my game was glitchy

[ebon moat]

Agreed. Kinda got tired of the default skins in-game

You should also be able to change the skins of all demons, not just the playable ones

Cacodemon skins please

[woven schooner]

I wonder what will happen next for doom🤔

Whatever happens, I hope it ends up being good!

[winter nexus]

I doubt it'll not be good, but I also doubt that their next project will be Doom.

[hexed falcon]

so based on the success of the fallout show on amazon, what are the chances that we might actually have a faithful live action adaptation to the original doom games?

[solar crown]

Doom isn't nearly as proper story rich as fallout

A short series who's main focus is just cool action scenes would be the only proper way to adept it, preferable animated as that is imo the best medium for gore animation

[hexed falcon]

well no but i imagine it would be a thriller survival, those dont have much story either

[solar crown]

Live action is too messy to the point of not having as nice visual direction for the gore and action unlesd you keep it john wicky, which doom should do over the top anf not properly

[solar crown]

Why? Except from doom3 none game is really that at all

[hexed falcon]

well i say thriller but i only say that because doom guy is more human and therefore much more easily hurt so i think he'd get hurt more

it'd probably start ramping up the more weapons he gets

[hexed falcon]

i mean it could be something like the boys except the gore could be more vibrant

or even evil dead 2

the thing is the whole thing of making a doom movie or show should be really easy but theres always the whole mumbo jumbo of making sure it has a good story (which you could do) but when hollywood tries to do that it turns out like a shitty alien zombie rip off

[feral plover]

wait, WHAT?

arent there statements that say that davoth was god or something?

[hexed falcon]

yes but there was a god that created davoth too

[solar crown]

Also, even if he was, in tag1 it is pretty explicit that he was made powerless
The fact tthat you have to revive him pretty much proves it

[winter nexus]

We don't need one. We've already got the games, and games supercede movies and shows because they're more interactive and immersive. Also, like Da_Luci said, Doom isn't nearly as story rich as Fallout, so there's that.

[hexed falcon]

would still be cool though if they did it right for once

[winter nexus]

I think they should leave it alone. Movies and series's work well for more modern franchises, but I prefer that legacy titles like Doom and Sonic and Mortal Kombat etc, stay out of Hollywood.

[atomic compass]

never, they sold the license to universal

it's not going to happen, ever unless someone decides to try and apply for universal specifically trying to gain attention at making the best Doom live action movie/show, but I doubt that will happen because nothing has been done since 2019

Best stuff we will get out of Doom is from id with the games, that's pretty much it

as much as I hated to say that and considering how big the series is in terms of popularity

plus do we really need one? it would be cool if we did, but I'm not sure if we would really want it anyway

[hexed falcon]

they own the rights to 1 2 and 3, luckily not eternal or 2016 so thats good

[atomic compass]

no, they sold the film rights

not game rights, id owns game rights only

[hexed falcon]

yeah, they own the film rights of 1 2 and 3

and even still i dont get what the big deal is, all im saying is i think it would be cool if they did that despite the lack of plot

[atomic compass]

No, they own the film rights for the series in general. Universal could make a movie out of anything they so wish and desire with the franchise in terms of show/film production without the need to ever have it be related to the games

[hexed falcon]

ah, so they just choose to make it shit

[atomic compass]

well the 2005 movie was based off of Doom 3 when they also put part of their own spin on it

Doom Annihilation was taken fully with their own direction

But I do agree, both movies are not really that good

if anything, just sell the license to someone else because Universal can't seem to make a movie where it's faithful to the source material and is in good quality

[feral plover]

Honestly, I think the Doom movie series (or duo) should get a reboot, like the 2016 Doom game.

[hexed falcon]

doom 2016 is a both faithful yet great revamp following doom 3, very exciting and decently full of story

[ebon moat]

What think of DOOM II vanilla? (No mods/WADs, just main official maps.)

[atomic compass]

Doom 2 is awesome

[elder viper]

It’s aight

Love some of the maps, the super shotgun is great obviously, and the demons it adds are now iconic to the series

But there’s a whole lotta bad maps too

Soundtracks a vibe though

[ebon moat]

Why is Episode 1 the only DOOM 1993 episode that I can vibe with?

Fr, E3 and E4 just ain't it at all, and E2 is kinda mixed

Atleast with DOOM II's weaker levels, you got the SSG, amazing monster variety, and count, and interesting and surreal ideas to make up for it

But yeah I find DOOM II and 1993 similar in consistency/inconsistency.

[feral plover]

Should there be a Doom II reboot game as well, or is Doom Eternal already that?

[static thistle]

There isnt even a doom 1 reboot

[feral plover]

So what is Doom 2016?

[ebon moat]

Eternal is to DOOM II, what 2016 is to DOOM 1

Hell Eternal even redid the Hell on Earth theme that DOOM II had

Though 2016 and Eternal are weird because they're sequels, but sorta reboots at the same time

[atomic compass]

Well, Doom 3, but I find that game mid

Also Doom 2016 in a way

[atomic compass]

But in a much better and larger way and directly conveys that EARTH IS IN DANGER unlike Doom 2 where it seems very quiet in terms of demon invasion

[ebon moat]

DOOM II was called Hell on Earth because navigating regular city buildings was Hell

[atomic compass]

I found it kinda fun imo

I don’t think it was necessarily trying to be realisitic, but more of a map design exercise for Sandy and Romero

[ebon moat]

I just thought it would be funny to say that lol

[mint plinth]

next doom game when!?

[foggy seal]

you better hope they'll tease us with something at Xbox summer showcase and/or QuakeCon atleast

[mint plinth]

if we dont get a tease at the xbox thing, ill be concerned. dev hell

but its either Doom or Quake, or a combination of both.

[worthy vault]

I wouldnt be too worried, marty isnt a very good person and in a case where some one cant meet a deadline thats been improperly executed and set, he’ll talk shit on reddit then try and pay you to silence you💀

[ebon moat]

Bring back the DOOM 3 Plasma Rifle and BFG you cowards

[hexed falcon]

why tho

[atomic compass]

yeah also asking because the plasma rifles we got after were better

[mint plinth]

Showcase officially happening June 9th. Lets pray we see the next id game. I need the hype

[ebon moat]

Idk, just DOOM 3 Plasma Rifle had my favorite sound effects and design.

DOOM 64 had my second favorite looking Plasma Rifle, but it's sound effect sucked.

I'd say sound effects wise, 1993/DOOM 2 are 2nd, even if it doesn't look as good as 3 and 64's Plasma Rifle IMO

[hexed falcon]

eh

[pliant fractal]

Hai

[ebon moat]

2016 had the worst looking Plasma Rifle and sound effects, I love 2016's other gun designs and sound effects, but the Plasma Rifle ain't it.

[pliant fractal]

🙂

[ebon moat]

Hi

[pliant fractal]

I love doom dos sounds

[feral plover]

What about the Doom Eternal plasma rifle look?

[shadow goblet]

IIRC it's not called a plasma rifle even. Just Plasma Gun. Eternal got it right.

[shadow goblet]

I love Doom 3's simply because of the reload and sound it makes. Don't know why, but that animation/sound hits me right

[shadow goblet]

Hope it's a Quake reboot. The Quake 2 remaster with the new maps seemed to try and bridge Quake 1 and 2. Hopefully it somehow makes the games connect

[mint plinth]

if they do Quake they need to reboot Quake 1

and from what i gather, Q1 may take place after Q2

[elder viper]

THATS WHAT IM SAYIIIIIIIING

That would be so cool

[elder viper]

Better than the 2016 Plasma Rifle

[ebon moat]

If you play Resurrection of Evil.

The Plasma Rifle sounds so amazing in the slow motion mode from the Artifact

Hell all the weapons sound awesome and so much better in the Artifact's slow motion

[ebon moat]

I prefer Eternal's plasma rifle sound and looks over 2016's.

But 2016's mods were a lot better and more fun.

Though Eternal despite looking like the 1993/DOOM II Plasma Rifle, it didn't sound nearly as good as the 1993/II one

[safe gyro]

who are those dudes

[feral plover]

If you are referring to the emojis you sent, I don't know what the first one is but the second one is a Doom Eternal Marauder.

[junior wing]

The first one looks like those stone blocks with demon faces. Like there's one of The Icon, another of a Cyberdemon and I think this is supposed to be a Baron of Hell

Yeah upon closer inspection that is a Baron of Hell's face etched onto a marble block

[feral plover]

kinda looks like a gladiator face to me

[junior wing]

I don't blame you for thinking that. But the OG Baron definitely had that face

[tired flicker]

Right

[junior wing]

Actually no if it was the Gladiator it's missing those tusk mandibles on the sides of the cheeks

[tired flicker]

Ok

[foggy seal]

Gladiator is pretty much based on classic hell knight

[feral plover]

Wait... Maybe the Gladiator is a stronger relative to the classic Barons and Hell Knights, like the Doom Eternal Mancubus is the classic one, but is still related to the Doom 2016 one.

[junior wing]

You know I wouldn't put it past ID to make that Canon

I always held some respect towards the Hell Knights since they're like the royal guard if you will. They're just cool through and through

Nothing beats fighting a demon who will throw hands and has the bulk and strength to do so

[ebon moat]

DOOM Eternal Mancubus is weird.

He's supposed to look like the classic, but his cannons and face look completely different from DOOM II

The Tyrant was a more accurate recreation.

[feral plover]

probably it was an issue to recreate it because the face kinda looks too pixelated

[ebon moat]

Maybe. Same thing happened with the Archvile.

The OG Archvile face was way creepier and more alien.

[feral plover]

at least he still does the iconic pose

[ebon moat]

Truthful

[atomic compass]

classic baron and marauder

[atomic compass]

It's the last one from the whole dimension of hell, to be exact

it's the last of the primal species

[atomic compass]

subspecies

for example the hell knight and the barons are related, but the hell knight had another type of species evolve after it and became 3's/2016's/Eternal's

And the Summoner from 2016 is a subspecies of the Imp too

there is a lot of evolution stuff going on in 2016

[junior wing]

I thought It'd be a relative of the Archvile

[atomic compass]

I don't blame you on that

I also thought the Summoner was the Arch-Vile in 2016 as well at first

In development it was called the Arch-Vile funnily enough, so we're technically not wrong

But, to differentiate, the Arch-Vile and the Summoner are different

The Arch-Vile is its own species

The Mancubus and Cyber-Mancubus from 2016 are also derivatives of the original Mancubus from 2, which the original species later reappeared in Eternal but equipped with tech from the corrupt UAC in Slayer's dimension

the ones from 2016 are confirmed to be different from the original, but as a subspecies as 2016's Mancubi evolved to grow their own cannons

which means their cannons are natural and a part of their body

[versed shore]

Let’s be honest doom is not coming back for a long time

[atomic compass]

well it always goes on a hiatus in terms of games

because id wants quality over quantity and I highly respect that

They still try to make games like how they were used to, a long extended amount of time with proper direction

[elder viper]

As long as they deliver a quality game I’ll gladly wait

Quality over quantity all the way

[atomic compass]

Doom Year Zero just might be the best Doom game ever, I will predict

Like if it can capture my experience with Doom Eternal but with 10x more excitement, it’s gonna be GOTY

Well Doom Year Zero will be competing with GTA 6 for GOTY

Game Awards 2025 will be the mostly intense ever

I hope this QC some gameplay will be shown, because remember we were shown DE in 2018 and 2019, and something tells me DYZ will be shown in QC 2024

[solar crown]

what makes you think the next doom game, if it's even in development, will release next year already?

or that it will be guarenteed a great game, trakc records aren't everything and ID is under new microsoft management too

[atomic compass]

It’s been a whole over 3 years, something has to have happened over time

I get the whole pandemic happened AFTER Eternal’s release, but stuff has died down since then

I can’t predict anything, none of us know anything except for the 2019 MS report about the new title but I’m just making assumptions that should not be taken for granted

[solar crown]

development hell, scrapping original draft. Last 2 doom games got announced 2 years before release, so releasing next year is generous. But i can't really say much for how quickly microsoft teases things

the reports have been heavily delayed at best, considering dishonored 3 was on that list

[atomic compass]

I get that stuff has delays and that’s fine

But again, just making assumptions based on previous track record from 2016 to Eternal

[feral plover]

plot twist: it's a 2d game

[static thistle]

Whats doom zero

[solar crown]

Name that was on a leaked document of like 2019

It also featured dishonered 3 and that isn't out yet osoo

[static thistle]

damn

[elder viper]

Give Dishonored to a different studio if a 3rd game was ever gonna be made

Arkane cannot be trusted anymore with there recent track record

[solar crown]

deathloop was fine, redfall was forced to be something noone wanted
but all their talent is now in another independent studio anyways

[elder viper]

Which studio?

Also yeah Deathloop wasn’t bad it had a fun mechanics. The AI was stupid though

Like genuinely brain dead

[solar crown]

deathloop was solid decent
not good, not bad, but decent

[elder viper]

It wasn’t a bad game for sure

[solar crown]

wolfeye i'm pretty sure

[elder viper]

What’s wild to me is how it’s in the same universe as Dishonored

Like that seems so random

[solar crown]

meh it has a few fun tieins

[vestal rampart]

They need to add the super shotgun from doom eternal onto Fortnite
Also why don’t they have the Issabele on doom guy’s shoulder skin 😦

[quartz verge]

They dont have the rights to add Isabelle sadly

[vestal rampart]

NOOOOOO

[ebon moat]

Why are there so many weird Mandela effects about Doomguy?

[feral plover]

wdym bro?

[ebon moat]

I guess the whole "he's stronger with fists, but prefers to use guns for fun and to make demons suffer more"

Goofy made-up lore like that, that becomes widespread for some reason

[solar crown]

People like hyping up doomguy as being stronger then he is, because they don't care about the actual lore

[ebon moat]

People must have took the time where Samuel Hayden in 2016 said; "your affinity for guns is apparent" as a whole different meaning lol

[elder viper]

Saw a video on Instagram yesterday asking if Kratos could defeat TAG2 Davoth and the comments where as you probably expected in Davoths favor which is INSANE

Saw a comment that said Doomguy killed the entirety of Hell which is absolutely not true

Hell has never shown any signs of being on the decline

[solar crown]

ah yes, davoth, the guy with "so much" power the lore explicitly mentions his power was stolen and the guy that needed a giant mech just so he thought he had a chance

[elder viper]

It’s ridiculous how people forget that

[ebon moat]

And Doomguy still seemed to struggle too.

[solar crown]

guy doesn't seem to break a sweat in the ending cutscene
and he really shouldn't with how laughable davoth's mechfight was lmfao

[feral plover]

Hear me out: Adult comedy animated series based on Doom.

[woven siren]

we will not hear you out

[static thistle]

Hear me out: Doom collabs with Skibidi Toilet

[ebon moat]

Hear me out: DOOM when it's actually Eternal.

[hexed falcon]

hear me out, halo live action show but master chief shows his face and has emotional issues

[woven siren]

hear me out, fps game where you play as a lone space marine on mars fighting a demonic invasion

[trail rose]

ew

[feral plover]

Okay...
Hear Me Out: 8BitDo collabs with Doom.

[hexed falcon]

for what purpose, thats like the time some lawn mower company made it possible to play doom 1993 on their newest model

[elder viper]

Terrible idea

[woven siren]

thats so random though

[hexed falcon]

imagine doom slayer becoming the new family guy