the-future

[mint plinth]

doom needs both MP and SP. I would like to see a coop arena mode personally

[solar crown]

doom needs both MP and SP
it does not?

a coop gamemode would be quite cool if it was balanced

[mint plinth]

doom has always had mp and sp, why remove it now?

[solar crown]

it will not be removed??? huh

resources just would not be used on it for making the main game great

[mint plinth]

you said all MP resources should be put into SP

[mint plinth]

well not campaign coop, that never seems to work

Arena Coop, like hordemode but wth other players. Balance doens't become as much of a issue then.

[solar crown]

eh still is

you don't want it to be boring or have things be useless/too strong

[mint plinth]

much like in any game taht adds player power, you create harder enemies. Im sure Id is creative enough to figure something out, i know i could

[solar crown]

balance is more then your kit vs your enemies

its also your kit vs other parts of your kit, strategies vs othger strategies

[mint plinth]

well SP suffers from taht still, even in 2016

[strange swift]

Fucking crazy theory that would confirm a prequel: what if the "Year one" of the eternal pass was not really to say that there would be one pass per year but to say that it takes place after the "Year zero" game which should be released soon

[solar crown]

that was the original plan but then covid and it wasn't really properly planned out and more what if

[mint plinth]

year zero does sound like a prequel name or a placeholder name. Prequel "when" though is the question

[solar crown]

or with how eternal had a "year one pass" this just means the development

[elder viper]

God I really hope Year Zero isn’t a shitty prequel game about Earth pre invasion or some shit like what happened between 2016 and Eternal

[mint plinth]

yah that sounds bad

Doomguy or get out ... Hugo has already said he wants to explore the time between when the slayer arriving in sentinal prime and 2016.

[solar crown]

prequel stuff would serve nothing

[strange swift]

i think it would be more something like from the arrival of the doomguy in sentinel prime to his "tomb" in 2016

[mint plinth]

i htink that is what we are getting

as long as we get SnapMap2.0 that isn't held hostage by console power

or modding support

[elder viper]

Notice a lot of games do prequel stuff when they run themselves into a corner.

[solar crown]

well the sealed hell part will def be retconned anyways

[elder viper]

Which would invalidate all of TAG 1&2 but yeah Hell can’t stay sealed

[solar crown]

well just tag2

[elder viper]

Still think involving Quake could have made an incredible transition for Hell to be unleashed but

[solar crown]

def

[feral plover]

It's a remake of Doom 1 I think.

[elder viper]

That sounds even worse then a prequel game.

[feral plover]

Perhaps. But I think it's pretty likely.

[elder viper]

Then again though I’ll let id do there thing.

[feral plover]

Think about it.

[solar crown]

will it be a remake or will it be a ""remake""

aka new game but it just so happens to overlap with the timeframe of doom1 but literally nothing is like doom1

[feral plover]

Year Zero
"In the First Age... in the first battle... one stood."
game would have human Doomguy
"If Doom Eternal was a ferrari, this would be a monster truck."

[solar crown]

i think people are thinking too much into this "year zero" tittle

[feral plover]

I am imagining a remake of Doom 1 itself that conforms with its plot (what little there is), but expands on it a-la Doom 3 to make it a bit more story-focused and grounded. I think the idea of making an OG game but to conform to his lore would make Hugo froth at the mouth.

Think the Resident Evil remakes.

"Year Zero" signifies, to me, going to the beginning.

I mean this is also a stretch, but like. They want to release a game and then a DLC for it. That would kinda align with Doom 1 releasing with three episodes and then a fourth being added later.

[solar crown]

ngl if it's a doom1 remaster releasing episode 4 later down the road seems dumb

[feral plover]

Depends on what it is.

Remaster implies the same game but spruced up. I'm imagining something that is blatantly a different game, just following the same plot/structure and meant to be what you think of when you think "Doomguy before he was the Slayer" within the modern canon.

[solar crown]

but that would just be a new game

OG doom does not have enough to rework
qua gameplay it doesn't need a rework
qua story there just isn't anything there that needs retelling either

[elder viper]

Yeah cause how tf would you adapt E4M2 in a way that makes sense. That’s why fans who attempt to remake the classics in like Unreal always fail. The old levels simply just are hard to translate over. They don’t work.

[feral plover]

Yes. Hence a Remake

[solar crown]

no? there would be no OG doom in it

how is it a remake if you aren't remaking anything but instead just making something completely new

[feral plover]

They are remaking the game. This is how most remakes actually work - they are reimaginings of the original, tailored towards modern audiences and designed to fill in a different space.

This is just like the Resident Evil remakes. RE2's remake is barely anything like RE2. It has the locations, but the gameplay is way different, the enemies are way more complex, character dialogue is more realistic but the story itself is simplified. Scenarios work completely differently.

Because it's not meant to be "RE2 but better." It's "RE2 but we get to try a different take on it."

[solar crown]

taht's already much more of a remake then this OG doom hypothetical

atleast there is a story to simplify

[feral plover]

This wouldn't be an attempt to remake Doom and make it better. There is no need for that, because the original Doom is available on modern platforms, so accessibility isn't an issue.

[solar crown]

atleast there are interesting key locations that matter and is not just "hell", "mars"

[opal grotto]

I think the next game should be hellified maykers

[mint plinth]

year zero has to be a tbd placeholder. But i think it gives us a big clue on what to expect.

[feral plover]

A remake would allow there to be these things; i.e. instead of Dis just being a name you see before the Spiderdemon, it is an actual wide-spanning city like how Eternal's artbook describes it.

[solar crown]

but then it will NOT be a remake, as again you are not remaking anything

[mint plinth]

Doom 666

[feral plover]

Yes it is - they are remaking Dis, and expanding upon it.

[solar crown]

you're making a completely new game with 5 elements max from the OG games, because there is just simply not any more available

[opal grotto]

Honestly I think doom three needs a remake because it feels more like a horror call of duty

[feral plover]

Yeah. Like I said that's how remakes work. These kinds of remakes rarely are just the same game but again. They tend to be completely different games that play differently, flow differently, have differently-told stories, and completely restructure areas.

[solar crown]

this is not how remakes work???
actual remakes do not just make a new game and have 3 things the same from the previous game

it's like calling eternal a remake of doom 2 because of the most generic possible parallels

[feral plover]

The Resident Evil remakes disagree with that idea - they are very very different from the originals.

[solar crown]

you will be able to name up to 10 times more similarities then this doom remake

[feral plover]

Eternal is explicitly a different story in Doom's continuity that follows Doom 2's. It just parallels some of Doom 2's events. A Doom 2 remake would outright depict Doom 2's events from a modern lens, rebuilt from the ground up to fit the pacing of a modern FPS game.

[feral plover]

Yeah that's what happens when you're remaking such a simple game.

You have to take more creative liberties.

[solar crown]

so basically it will have next to no story

[feral plover]

Maybe, or it would craft new story beats that exist to flesh out the few Doom 2 has.

[solar crown]

....

[feral plover]

Which, again, the RE remakes have done before. Like Nathaniel Bard in RE3

[solar crown]

yeah not a remake if it makes a new game

[feral plover]

A remake is fundamentally a new game. It becomes a new game the minute the gameplay is changed.

[solar crown]

there's a difference in a remake and a "remake" however

[feral plover]

Otherwise you're arguing RE2 Remake is the same as the original RE2, which is the farthest from the truth we could possibly get.

[solar crown]

i never said a remake had to be identical??

the general story gists atleast existed in RE remakes
there are no general story gists for a OG doom remake except the most baseline part of a doomgame

[feral plover]

But you're saying a remake and a new game have to be mutually exclusive. And they aren't.

[solar crown]

no i'm saying it is a completely new game and not a remake

[feral plover]

This just looks like "There are no general story gists for an OG Doom remake except the general story gists."

[solar crown]

arguing something is a "remake" when literally NOTHING is the same is really fucking dumb

[solar crown]

at best it's shitty marketing

[feral plover]

"Literally nothing" is an overexaggeration.

[solar crown]

okok "demons invade hell"

"you have a gun"
hey look it's doom eternal! the remake to doom2!!!

[feral plover]

A Doom game, featuring Doomguy fighting demons, who would naturally act like fleshed-out versions of their original AIs, following the same plot. By this logic the modern Doom games aren't even in the same series as OG Doom since "literally nothing is the same."

[solar crown]

about as much as the post origins assassins creed games

but there is a difference in a remake and a continuation of the story

[feral plover]

Doom 1993 is a game wherein we play as a marine who has a backstory of assaulting his former CO for ordering him to commit a war crime; said marine is witness to the horrors of a demonic invasion riding the coattails of the UAC's teleportation experiments, having seen his friends die and now being forced to kill their zombified corpses.
He decides to trek to the Phobos Anomaly to get to the missing Deimos moon, where he then scales an anomalous tower and fights a giant cybernetic war demon; he then realizes Deimos floats above Hell itself and makes the treacherous journey to confront the mastermind of the invasion within the vast hell-city of Dis, only to realize their confrontation was a distraction while Hell seeks to invade Earth.

These are all details exclusive to Doom 1. Doom 2016 didn't use them. If you don't believe this plot outline can't be expanded upon and given more story details within a modern setting then I don't know what to tell you.

[solar crown]

almost as if doom2016 wasn't a remake of the OG game

i absolutely believe a story can be expanded upon
what i do not believe is making a completely new story and then saying you actually "remaked" it
you did not, you made a new story borrowing details

esp not if they also radically change the gameplay

no gameplay cahnges: remake isn't needed
vivid gameplay changes: shouldve just made a new game

[mint plinth]

what we aruging about now?

[feral plover]

This is just arguing semantics. I'd argue RE3 Remake's story is 100% a different story from the original RE3's. But it's still a remake.

[solar crown]

isnt' the general consensus that RE3 kinda sucked aswell

[feral plover]

There are 100% opportunities here to flesh out iconic Doom locations under a modern setting. Expanding levels that people have always liked and organically connecting them together to make the Phobos base feel like a real place; turning the Tower of Babel into an actual tower we scale in the final act of Episode 2; constructing the city of Dis as a unique, futuristic Hell-city taking advantage of alien architecture.
Under Hugo's previous comments there would be a focus on dynamic enemies with more advanced AIs that outright change the way they attack depending on what you've done to them with your weapons. For Hugo, undoubtedly he would jump at the chance to flesh out the events of the games to further connect them to the modern story.

[feral plover]

Eh, yeah. But it's still objectively a remake. And I'd argue this same thing for the other remakes.

[solar crown]

also it like, had nemesis and jill
that's also more then an OG doom remake could have because most things are just setpieces more or less

[feral plover]

RE4R's story is entirely different from RE4's. They took the same basic outline, completely changed most of the characters in every regard, changed entire plot points, shafted the dogshit script Mikami wrote in like 2 weeks. Expanded on it under a modern lens.
And, what do you know? It is better than the original game for it.

[solar crown]

i saw a few "scene comparisons" online
more then OG doom could get

[mint plinth]

RE1 remake 2 when?

[feral plover]

My point remains. Regardless of whether one would like it or not, Doom was one of the most iconic games ever made. A remake of it would be financially successful, and if the marketing specified its existence as an alternate take on Doom 1's events rather than an intended "replacement," it would likely be critically successful as well, like the last two Doom titles were.

Just like Doom 3, which was also largely intended to be a remake of Doom 1, was really successful when that came out.

[mint plinth]

i would agree, would love to replay Phobos/Deimos/Inferno within a modern game engine.

But i also want Id to give us the tools to make our own

[solar crown]

keyword "intented"

doom3 is not a remake to doom1

[feral plover]

This is still arguing semantics. When it came out, it was functionally a remake of Doom 1.

[solar crown]

it really was not

[feral plover]

This isn't like 2016 where 2016 roughly followed the same beats but recontextualized them as a soft reboot. Doom 3 was literally meant to be "Let's make Doom 1 but more scary and with a modern game engine," and then they did that. Only recently was it established to coexist with Doom 1 within the canon.

[solar crown]

you can market something however you want, you can even pretend something to be it is not
but it really was not a remake at launch, it was it's own game that is as much of a remake as doom eternal is a remake of 2

[feral plover]

Under what criteria?

[solar crown]

"doom1 but horror" is not a remake but it's a different game that borrows a lot of og doom beats

[feral plover]

Yeah, but again, under what criteria? Who decides this?

[solar crown]

if they made a rhytm game of OG doom it would not be a remake for example

[solar crown]

ok so your criteria for a "remake" is that it can just simply claim to be a remake??? that's an incredibly weak criteria

[feral plover]

My criteria would be the definition of it as defined by a dictionary: "to make (something) again or differently."

Doom 3 was making Doom 1 again. Differently. That is what they meant to do, and that was functionally what they did.

[solar crown]

that's a dictionary meaning, not the meaning of a remake in the gaming world

[feral plover]

Okay, then we can use Wikipedia's definition, which is tailored to apply to any medium:

A remake is a film, television series, video game, song or similar form of entertainment that is based upon and retells the story of an earlier production in the same medium—e.g., a "new version of an existing film".
Retelling a story in the same medium.

[solar crown]

for games a remake is when you take the game and modernize it and have some other few additions, but ultimately still have the general gist of the game

[feral plover]

That's really it. The definition of "remake" is not particularly strict. There's a reason gamers always argue about the difference between a port VS a remaster VS a remake VS a reimagining; these terms blend together and different developers have different things they think of when they see those terms.

[solar crown]

if your game has:
a new and different gameplay, having just some things the same
a new and different story, only having 4 slight comparisons

then it is not a remake

[solar crown]

🤷‍♀️ then doom eternal is doom2 remake, which is fucking stupid

[feral plover]

Maybe if you stretch the definition in that both are about Doomguy saving Earth, but they are explicitly different stories that coexist alongside each other.

If Doom Eternal kept the Slayer only on Earth until he reaches Hell in the last third, and the first third was about him saving a Hell infected starport so humans can escape Earth, and then the second third was him going through a large city to find a portal to Hell, then sure. I'd believe that.

But it isn't. It keeps some vague concepts, that's it - it isn't an explicit attempt to retell Doom 2's story. Which a remake would do.

[solar crown]

....which would basically be a doom2 remake

cause if you keep the story basically the same you don't really have a story

[mint plinth]

is Doom 2016 a remake of Doom 3?

[feral plover]

Doom 2 has a story.

[solar crown]

barely

[feral plover]

Still does - it just doesn't focus on it. The manual tells us the story, as well as the end-of-level text intermissions.

You can glean Doom 2's plot from those, and it does not resemble Eternal's at all.

[solar crown]

yeah but if you keep just doom2's story you just have such a..... not really there story

i'd rather have the retconny tag2 story then the near absence of doom2's story

[feral plover]

Yeah so then you... keep the story... and build on it.

[solar crown]

and then.... you have a new story.... which doesn't resemble the story at all

[feral plover]

Which is still fundamentally the same story. Just more of it. You don't remove plot points. You keep the plot points, and add more things to the story.

[solar crown]

in which case doom eternal is a doom2 remake

[feral plover]

Nope, because Eternal doesn't keep plot points.

[solar crown]

"you arrive on earth and it's being invaded, then go kill the icon"
that's basically it

[feral plover]

There is no "infested starport" in Eternal, nor does Doomguy have to search a big city to find a portal to Hell.

[solar crown]

it just "expands" on the story by bringing you to the sentinals and makyrs

[solar crown]

reclaimed earth

[feral plover]

You are deliberately oversimplifying Doom 2's story even further than it already is to make your point. Where is the "infested starport" in Eternal?

[solar crown]

also arguably super gore nest

[feral plover]

If there isn't one, then they removed a plot point, which goes against what I said.

[solar crown]

i'm not oversimplifying it a ton, there literally is not a lot of story except mostly just setpieces

[feral plover]

Except you deliberately left out story that the game explicitly mentions. Doomguy's hometown, the infested starport are two examples.

[solar crown]

if they just remade that then there was no reason for a remake
if they add too much to make it an actual modern story there is no reason for a remake as they just made a new game

[feral plover]

Okay, so the minute I add a single detail to this story, it's now a completely different story? If not, how many details do I have to add before it goes from Doom 2's story to something completely different? Is there some sort of boiling point?

[solar crown]

wow 2 whole things, wild

[feral plover]

Yeah they make up like 60% of the story lol.

[solar crown]

a single? no
to make it actually modern and thus explains why it's supposed to be a "full tittle" complete with even dlc??? nope. not at all

[solar crown]

yet another point for doom2 not having a lot

[feral plover]

If I make a Doom 2 remake that is the exact same thing except there's a new text intermission that says

"You look upon the ruined remains of your home, besieged by the demons; you now understand your wife and child are dead."
Is this no longer Doom 2's story? I just made it completely different? If not, okay - what if I replace the text intermissions with video cutscenes, which show the exact same line of events except it's just shown to us? Is that a completely different story?

What about when I add 2-3 more cutscenes that make the other ones feel more natural? Completely different, or the same?

[solar crown]

the world isn't black and white, i think it's handy if you could learn that before continuing making a fool of yourself

or to read, cause i have already answered to this dumb question multiple times

[feral plover]

This is the point I'm literally trying to make to you, Luci. Things aren't black and white. Therefore "remake" and "new game" aren't mutually exclusive. Neither is "new story" and "the same story".

[solar crown]

again, doom eternal is a remake then

[feral plover]

Exists alongside Doom 2, has almost none of the plotpoints within its structure. So no.

You're looking at this in absolutes; this either has to be a remake and everything's the same, or if they modernize things it's an entirely different game and thus it is not a remake. Resident Evil figured this out years ago, so did plenty other series.

[solar crown]

you can not have a remake and a completely new game, you can not both have the same game and a different game that's not how it works

[feral plover]

Disagree. The world isn't black and white, remember?

[solar crown]

things can exist in a spectrum but there is still a wall between "remake" and "new game"

[feral plover]

We have games that blur the lines between those, I have played them and they exist.

[solar crown]

it's not black or white but grey sure as hell can be fitted more closely to 1 side

and OG doom just does not have enough story, again

if you want to just give a few details, that is fine you can rerelease the game with a few extra slides

but if you, as you suggest, make an entire new story that just visits the same places? that's not a fucking remake

[feral plover]

What if it's the same details but presented in a new fashion?

[solar crown]

then there isn't enough to warrent a whole ass new game with dlc

[feral plover]

If I'm getting the exact events lined out in the text intermission after defeating the Cyberdemon but presented as a cutscene, is that the same story?

[solar crown]

wtf has ID been doing then for all that time, making the next redfall?

[feral plover]

The mere fact that a Doom remake would sell a fuckton of money by existing is enough to warrant its existence. That's the nature of remakes. You can only hope they decide to make them good alongside deciding they need to exist.

[solar crown]

literally any doom title that isn't a flop will sell a fuckton
or rather, give microsoft a shitton of subscribers

[feral plover]

Yes.

[solar crown]

sells a fuckton =/= worth the time for players to wait

an actual og doom rework would for example not take 3 years to make

[solar crown]

and need dlc

[feral plover]

Depends on how expansive it is and how much effort they're putting into it.

[quartz grotto]

whats the deets with the new doom game

[feral plover]

Or, consider: if it's just the first game. For all we know, if it's a remake, it could be both games.

[mint plinth]

only thing we know is one is likely being worked on

[solar crown]

it's insider developer name is called "year zero" and people are taking that wayyyy too seriously

[feral plover]

My point from before still stands. A remake, or at least a good remake, keeps the original story intact while expanding upon it. Under this criteria, neither of the modern Doom games can be considered remakes because they do not keep Doom 1 and 2's story "intact". They are explicitly different stories that share very little in plot points. We don't visit Phobos and Deimos in Doom 1, nor were we just just transferred their for assaulting a commanding officer, etc...
A remake of Doom that has all of these details intact, plus additional details that tie them together into a cohesive story that is told similarly to 2016 and Eternal, or Doom 3, would still be a remake. The majority of people would accept it as such, as would its developers.

[quartz grotto]

oh interesting, that's news to me, didn't know about the "year zero" stuff, combing through it now on the web

[feral plover]

The original game having little story content doesn't change this. All it means is there's more leniency for how many creative differences can be made before it starts to stretch the definition of a "remake."

[mint plinth]

year zero implies it is likely a prequel. When that prequel takes place is anyones guess

[feral plover]

If, for example, a Doom 1 remake took details from Tom Hall's Doom Bible and incorporated them into the game, such as adding Buddy Dacote as a side character, or the other named characters, I'm pretty confident people wouldn't look at that and go "Man! This isn't even a remake! How unfaithful! This is nothing like Doom!"

[mint plinth]

year zero for the Doom Marine? Doom Slayer? Doom Guy?

[solar crown]

at a certain point it does the opposite, it decreases the ammount of details you can bring in before the new changes drown out the actual story too much

[quartz grotto]

Interesting... would be fun to see something played out between the Doom 64 and Doom 2016 timeline as I understand it

[solar crown]

or for development! like how the dlc pass was called "year one pass" yet had nothing to do with the slayer's first year

[feral plover]

I find that very unlikely. Assuming all plot beats stay the same, then no amount of extra details or steps is gonna change the fact that our goal at the end of Episode 2 is to scale the Tower of Babel and kill the Cyberdemon.

[solar crown]

except that if you add enough details.... why isn't it just a new game?

you are adding so many things that there.... isn't really much left from the old version except some notes

[feral plover]

See these are the absolutes I'm talking about. An average Resident Evil fan can look at how drastically RE4's remake is from RE4 and accept that this is both a fleshed-out version of 4 and a separate experience entirely.

[mint plinth]

taht is my guess too since Hugo has hinted his desire to visit that time period multiple times

[solar crown]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mrln9VXKy20

[mint plinth]

its says Doom Year Zero & DLC, then Doom Year Zero DLC.

prob just a coincedence

[solar crown]

2 hours of comparisons..... an og doom remake couldn't even get to 5 minutes

you can make drastic changes to a fairly vast game and still be a remake
you can not entirely make something new except for some details and have it still be a remake

[feral plover]

You're focusing on cutscenes. Games are more than cutscenes. The looks of weapons? How the enemies attack? Specific level sequences? Cutscenes VS the text intermissions? Doomguy's facial expressions, the appearances of the enemies and bosses?

[solar crown]

then eternal is a remake

[feral plover]

Already addressed that.

This also gets into something that hasn't been addressed, which is that the remake's obligations change depending on the availability of the original game.
When you're remaking a game that isn't legally available on modern platforms, you have, in my opinion, an obligation to make the remake as indicative of the original vision as possible so as to keep that vision alive and make the remake a "definitive edition" of the game. This way, there are no holes in your series and you do not alienate new players from understanding the story any less than old players.

Doom does not have this problem. The original game is available to any fan who wants to play it. Thus the remake is not obligated to be "faithful." They can revisit the original story and change anything they want. It exists as an alternate interpretation, can be enjoyed as a separate experience entirely that is merely tied to the original through their frameworks.

[quartz grotto]

I'm no loremaster but you two seem to mostly be debating semantics; just my two cents though... like what about "hard" versus "soft" reboots?

[feral plover]

RE2's remake had an obligation to be the definitive, most distilled version of RE2 it could be. In my opinion, meh, it only halfway succeeded there. Doom's remake would not require this.

[quartz grotto]

Anyways, thanks for the year zero info; have fun with the debate!

[solar crown]

tbf most old games are not that incredibly hard to just.... port over

[feral plover]

Hard reboot: wiping the story's continuity away and resetting it entirely.
Soft reboot: just a sequel with a very different tone, atmosphere, style, etc... stylistically very different but still in the same canon.

[feral plover]

Well I agree, but fucking Capcom hasn't gotten the message, the dickheads.

[solar crown]

typical capcom

[feral plover]

So the next best thing would be to make RE2R an objective improvement over 2 so that porting isn't required.

They did not succeed at that with 2. Arguably they did succeed at this with 4R, which is ironic since they didn't have to.

Here's my point: Arguing this is largely semantics. A remake can be a new game and vice versa, it just depends on the intentions of the developer and how the game is meant to be experienced. A better term for this would be "reimagining." A reimagining of Doom 1993, with a fleshed-out story and modernized mechanics.

In my opinion, there is little difference between the terms "remake" and "reimagining," but oh well.

[solar crown]

eh it's what crosses the blurry line between it and a completely new game then

[feral plover]

Either way it's the same to me. Doom 3 was a reimagining of Doom 1 that later got retconned to stand alongside it... sorta... through multiverse bullshit.

[solar crown]

aka "it's canon because we don't want to say it is not but the fact it is canon will never impact the games unless we need to pull it out of our ass"

[feral plover]

Well yeah.

Anyway I don't even really care about a remake itself. I'm not too attached to the idea of that. I just think, if it happened, it could be a promising project - and the title "Year Zero" as a working title for it seems to correlate with the idea.

[vast valve]

https://tenor.com/view/cpw-gif-1925418329601556402

[feral plover]

Final Fantasy 7

[woven siren]

...

if it's the same game storywise but more detailed it's a remake

[feral plover]

True i mean theres so much space in Doom 1 to put ur own spin in

[woven siren]

yeah exactly

[feral plover]

text book definition a “Remake” is not a “remaster”

A Remake is to take that memory of a previous game and re-market it as that game but “modern” or at least Attract modern audiences

[woven siren]

"ur taking like 5 elements from the original game" no he's taking everything the game has to offer and adding more

[woven siren]

yeah

[woven siren]

you keep thinking of changes and not additions

[feral plover]

also is there any info of what exactly is this “Doom: Year Zero”

[woven siren]

if it follows the same structure but with gaps filled in, it won't drown out the og story

[feral plover]

Is this a new doom title or maybe its just an Addon for Doom 1993 or whatever idk

[feral plover]

not to mention its just really easy to call it a “remake.” If doom guy wears his classic marine outfit and is set before all the events

i mean it sounds like a remake to me

A hard reboot? not rlly because the devs themselves have actively stated that the classic doom games still hold canonicity to the lore for 2016/eternal. They share the same world.

[mint plinth]

it was a planned full on new game in 2019. Status of current Doom Year Zero (DYZ) is uknown but it probably offical

they woudn't put a "expansion" to the classic games on their list and project it as 455 million in sales

[feral plover]

ye ur right

i just swore i heard "year zero" before for a Megawad somewhere

Either way what Im guessing a Doom Year Zero is either a way to connect the events between 64, 2016 and whatever inconsistencies we have with the doom lore. Or a modern version of the stories told in the classic games

or a Doom Year Zero meaning a Year Zero after the events of the demons removed etc. A fresh slate of the world and thats why its called Year Zero. A time when humanity (And night sentinals) can rebuild its remains.

[mint plinth]

maybe, but what is doom without demons?

[elder viper]

God that sounds dull. A whole game around fixing plot holes. Well I have faith in id Software.

[clear prism]

Hoping its pre-divinity machine

Some yummy classic doomguy action

I loved the part in brutal doom where doomguy said "its brutaling time" and doomed all over everyone

Actually I have a great idea for a new doom game

What if ur this guy with like brown armor and you're like doomguy but you're not

And you have an axe and you gotta like kill lovecraftian creatures and such

That would be epic

[autumn mortar]

Yet every AAA company screws up remasters in some way (usually the lighting gets borked)

[feral plover]

What if the future Doom is a kind of reboot of Doom 64? If Doom 2016 is a reboot of Doom 1993 and Eternal is a reboot of Doom II, The most logical thing to think is that the next one will be a reboot of Doom 64

Let it continue with the eternal story obviously

xD

[autumn mortar]

What if Doom

[feral plover]

[elder viper]

Doom 3 guy pretty much

[clear prism]

Strange hybrid reboot of 64 and final pls

[feral plover]

Yes

[woven siren]

oh my god imagine if you could strafejump

[solar crown]

Additions are also changes

[woven siren]

yes but they aren't modifying anything existing

"you'll be taking like 5 elements max" no they're adding things to the original

[solar crown]

Because there simply aren't a lot of things to the OGs

So they'll have to naturally not change a lot, in which case why bother with a full on remake?

[woven siren]

would rather see it as a fan project than an official thing

since i personally don't think it's worth id's time and money

[solar crown]

Precisely

[feral plover]

i can only name a few reasons

1. its a doom game
2. it makes money no matter what it is

and the way the industry works as long as the brand is attached to a game. The Mob Horde consumers will buy whether its good or bad

[woven siren]

yup

[feral plover]

do i care if year zero is some remake of classic doom game story? No. I just want more Doom

Because im not going in depth all “man tag2 sucked they better get their shit together”

[solar crown]

In that case the next doom "game" should be a whale focused, MTX riddled subscription service

[feral plover]

I mean it already is in a system of such service

[solar crown]

Eternal was in one of the lowest scales possible of it tbf, with how there was no "premium track" and the fact they even go back
They're too expensive in the ships however and battlepasses shouldve been pickable to replay

[feral plover]

only reason Eternal isnt as predatory is because Id Software simply doesnt care to use them in.

[feral plover]

Cause u cant really flex your cosmetics if the only gamemode ur even using it is battlemode to other people

[solar crown]

The gloves are cool

[feral plover]

Till Doom has a multiplayer foundation then yes id expect some premium pass or some kind of weekly item shop just cause Publishers be like that

or maybe Id wont suck em off but Eternal isnt totally clean of mtx

[solar crown]

Wdym, there are not mtx!!!
They are too expensive to be considered microtransactions....

[feral plover]

and back to my previous point whether doom starts to adopt some nasty mtx. I personally wouldnt let it affect the enjoyment if the game is still good

which is how most people rlly feel in games

Mtx can suck balls but People still play Cocka doodle doo every year and pay 20+ Fortnite skins

[solar crown]

Yeah mostly cause they'te too gullible into spending money

All those things aren't designed for the average player who will at max buy like 2 skins

Theres people that will spend literal hundreds or thousands of dollars, THOSE are the kind of people these games focus on

[feral plover]

"Year Zero" IMO indicates either a return to the beginning or a complete reboot.

Thus I think the most likely scenarios are a remake of the original game or a prequel surrounding the Night Sentinels.

[serene raptor]

Year Zero might be a reboot yeah

[atomic compass]

Why would there be a reboot again

Like think about it, we already had a good reboot

Do we really need another? I just hope it’s within the timeline of 2016 and Eternal

[feral plover]

I'm saying Year Zero could be a complete, hard reboot.

2016 wasn't - it was a soft reboot. It still takes place within the canon of its predecessors.

[low forge]

there are only 2 ideas: 1. this leaked list is 3 years old, and they changed their mind about making a game a long time ago. 2. this is doom between 64 and 2016.

and perhaps year zero is doom eternal year one, but I doubt it

[mint plinth]

its a likely a prequel not a reboot

So it is probably right after Doom 64 when slayer arrives on sentinel world or...

a retelling of the initial invasion in Doomslayers OG earth world - which means phobos, deimos, hell on earth, doom 2, doom 64 (that would be a lot of campaign)

[solar crown]

Also covid probs fucked the list over

I do not believe for a second they'll release 2 major titles (dishonered 3 and new dook game) without even a TEASER

[edgy aurora]

I just hope year zero has MP

And not just co op. I love doom pvp

[solar crown]

maybe if it fits and is low effort, otherwise i'd rather have them scrap it so that the SP can be better

[edgy aurora]

I think there should be a strong mp

[solar crown]

that would only split the attention of SP and make both games worse

the primary focus should be SP, and if that game doesn't fit to have MP in it then shame but oh well, they could always make another actual MP game like a quake

[elder viper]

Yeah but that would be an awful idea. Would rather a prequel game then that

A hard reboot just seems so off putting especially when 2016 did such a good job at reviving the franchise

[solar crown]

it could also just be a developer name cause it's not out yet but apparently i'm the only one that can possible think of such wild ideas

[woven siren]

yeah but year zero implies something

[feral plover]

Typically developer names will still be indicative of the wider vision.

They are rarely just random words for the sake of it.

[feral plover]

I agree it would be an awful idea.

[feral plover]

Probably I'm mistaken but Year Zero means a restart speaking of the story of Doom, like what happened after the makyrs locked up the slayer and they continued doing things against humanity.

[grave plaza]

Year Zero means, Zero GOTY's in any Year (They all got stolen)

But ig it would mean about what happened between 2016 and Eternal (That or the Slayer waking up in literally the restart of the universe)

[feral plover]

That's exactly what I mean, we could get a new story of the future events right after the slayer wakes up.

[serene raptor]

That would be awesome as well. Year Zero would be fill in the story between 2016 and eternal and shows us how DOOM Slayer acquired the Fortress of DOOM

[solar crown]

(Theory)

[mint plinth]

Probably not enough story to makea whole game there. I would rather see that as a Doom 2016 mini DLC

[zenith jolt]

i hope it’s a reaaallyy long game

[woven siren]

no

rather have it be average length with extensive modding capabilities

[zenith jolt]

i mean i play on console so i don’t really have access to mods and all that which is why i want to it be really long, instead of making it like 2-4 hours

[woven siren]

oh lmao

average console L

[zenith jolt]

yeah

but then again you don’t NEED mods

[woven siren]

lmaoo

i guess that applies to you, but once you go modded with games like doom and minecraft, there is absolutely no going back

[zenith jolt]

only mods i use r on like half life and all that but even then i wouldn’t say they’re better because “WAAOOWWW NEW STUFF”

[woven siren]

OMG MODS R ONLY GOOD BC OF NWW STUFF OMGGMGGMFKD

as if doom mapsets haven't developed for 30 years and outclass the originals' gameplay in every possible aspect with a nigh untouchable skill ceiling

and that's not even including gameplay mods

[zenith jolt]

u can like mods i didn’t say you couldn’t but mods to me are just shilled a fuckton and since they’re so shilled and overhyped they’re disappointing in reality

i’ve played a few minecraft mods and they’re only good with friends and other people, by yourself it’s insanely lame

[woven siren]

it completely depends on the game

[woven siren]

lol u haven't played the modpacks that fully restructure it into a new game

[woven siren]

classic doom is CRIPPLED without map and mod support

meanwhile tboi repentance already has so much shit that i don't need mods past qol

[zenith jolt]

because i don’t have the money to purchase doom on my pc, i’ve looked at some mods some are really great i especially love extermination day but you can’t play this redditor move of le base game meh le mods god tier

[woven siren]

nono

MAPS, as in levels

doom 1 and 2 were made in under a year each under super rush-y conditions

[zenith jolt]

i’ve played sigil and all that, just still don’t get the hype over them

[woven siren]

people have been innovating and getting better at maps since forever

[woven siren]

what wads have you played

[zenith jolt]

all of the ones available on console

[woven siren]

lol

[zenith jolt]

not harmony tho

[woven siren]

i get if you can live without community maps and gameplay mods but like

with mod combinations you can sometimes essentially make your own new game that fits your preferences and playstyle perfectly

not to mention the previous points about how people have made mapsets that outclass the original iwads because they're building off more experience and have the option to spend more time

[zenith jolt]

yeah i get that

[woven siren]

and yeah it depends on the game

i could live without tboi repentance mods (except for qol stuff but that'd be more inconvenient than a dealbreaker)

[zenith jolt]

i do like mods with some games but i just think they’re way too overrated for what they are

with some mods i get it

[feral plover]

i dont think every game Should always have mod capabilities in mind

games should always focus on what creators bring to the table first before its fans do it themselves

[feral plover]

^ makes a good point. Mods are not common on console and to pay 70 dollars for a lengthy game that can only feel better because of modding capabilities is not a good idea either

Biggest critique of bethesda is always “It can be better with mods”

The creator’s club is an exact reason how scuffed console mods are

[solar crown]

I don't think anyone is asking to turn down the game quality just for the sake of having mod support

[feral plover]

Bethesda is an example of a company that does

why they refuse to improve their engine

[solar crown]

I mean it's more then just that

They could release their sub-standard bethesda game without mod support and people will still just eat it up

[feral plover]

But not really in the long term

fallout 76 playerbase only dwindles on steam

its not as populated as Fallout 4 or Skyrim

[solar crown]

They don't care about the long term though, they don't make money from that

[feral plover]

not when your game releases every 5 to 6 years. They are smiling ear to ear knowing people are buying till this day just because of a community that carries it on their back

[feral plover]

there would 100% be an outcry for it

[solar crown]

Oh yeah definitely but at the end of the day they will keep on making money

[solar crown]

You don't have to keep buying it to mod it

[feral plover]

imo its only a matter of time

[solar crown]

Looking at current gaming trends it really is not

[feral plover]

because bethesda games release so far apart its gonna take a while

they havent “burnt out” Their fanbase but they also havent “wow’d” them either in a specific extent. Starfield is still a mixed bag with people and fallout 4 was in that same boat.

because so many people are incredibly nostalgic its only a matter of time when more games do a better formula than what Bethesda provides.

unless bethesda does continue to step up their game with whatever momentum they have with starfield

[solar crown]

Definitely not

[feral plover]

we already see a lot of open word games releasing as a trend and even games like Elden Ring and tears of the kingdom are direct competition with Bethesda’s ultra open world RPGs

Even cyberpunk is making that redemption arc faster than fallout 76

[solar crown]

I don't expect them to just suddenly massively improve from their formula that sells, even if there is competition because people will always get the next bethesda game

[feral plover]

76 is only alive because fallout has a fanbase. besides that it has 0 reason to exist.

[solar crown]

Which is why bethesda will not improve

[feral plover]

yes which is why maybe in another decade bethesda’s games only drop in interest

I mean its prob a gud thing they are even owned by gamepass just for light attraction of being owned by a billion dollar corporation ig

besides that i dont think im gonna care for another Fallout 5 just knowing its the same shit from 4, Starfield, and ideas from Elder Scrolls 6

[solar crown]

That's 2 games further so i am inclined to believe it won't

[feral plover]

i mean ive only met from experience of New fans for Fallout thanks to New Vegas

[solar crown]

Bethesda was already famous, microsoft ads nothing to that fame

[feral plover]

it only adds to the flame for marketing

gotta keep burning the console wars

[feral plover]

and Investors happy

[woven siren]

of course

[feral plover]

and im sure bethesda was on PR crisis with 76. isnt it a coincidence Microsoft has been buying companies with some kind of controversy

[woven siren]

but the thing with mods is that it's more content for free :P

[solar crown]

No not really, but buying a company during their low times is just clear cheaper

Also i wouldnt say 76 had that much of a pr crisis

[feral plover]

i wouldnt say activision/blizzard is considered on the cheaper side

[solar crown]

No but after a dissapointing main game?

[feral plover]

nor whatever microsoft pays is cheap

[solar crown]

It's cheapee then if 76 was a banger game

[feral plover]

there were many issues

worse than cyberpunk and even put u at risk for playing it

game straight up becomes an IP grabber for people at one moment

was tons of controversy

[solar crown]

Gaas moment

[feral plover]

and disappointing cod titles is still always looked over

[solar crown]

Because their audience isn't people who care about what they consume

Just people who want the new cod

[feral plover]

its def not cheapter to buy companies off because of some faulty game. But its def a strategy for microsoft to buy these games

[solar crown]

Well yeah that's kind of basic corporate strategy

[feral plover]

im sure we all know where this is leading up to anyway

Mr. Monopoly be standin there smiling

[solar crown]

They physically can't

Theres quite a few laws to prevent monopolies, and i think at absolute max they can get only 1 big company more before it'll just be blocked

[feral plover]

they really be buying companies and just burying them down to the ground even harder

[solar crown]

Meh blizzard-activision is hard to get worse

Bethesda we dont know yet unless redfall was MS's dealing

[feral plover]

Deathloop being 10/10 was a joke by ign

[solar crown]

Deathloop was before they where bought

And like it was still an ok game, not great but not bad

[feral plover]

Triple A games need better meaning

it has no real textbook definition

its just an agreement that its just a game made by a wealthier company

And either way theres no proof microsoft will help the companies they buy either

their track record has been poor for the companies they own

maybe even on par with EA

minecraft is still the greatest steal in gaming for them

[solar crown]

Doesn't really need one either, but "game made by the richer studios" really suffices

It used to mean great games back when the marker required quality to sell well and keep selling well

Now it means games that just want your wallet and sometimes theres some decent quality

[feral plover]

i believe it needs some actual regulations of what it means to be one

[solar crown]

Why?

It was never an official term, why would it need "regulations"

[feral plover]

if it never was an official term then id rather just wanna see some kind of regulation for specific practices in games anyway

[solar crown]

Well yeah and it's kinda happening

[feral plover]

loot boxes are the only thing i can name. And whatever refund controversy fortnite had

[solar crown]

Anti gambling laws made lootboxes basically illegal in europe, though blizzard managed to make overwatch worse withiutnit lol

Overall i don't think many things really need regulations, the corporations that make the money sucking games would NEVER actually stick in the money and time to make a great game

[feral plover]

then ig Amen to them and let some big companies like activision/blizzard or Bungie to die off imo to abolish such greedy mtx

[solar crown]

Definiteky all the psychological tricks they use to make people buy more should be made illegal

[feral plover]

Would rather see them die off and have their IP’s up for sale

Just pick em up and have someone else work on it and bring new life. Just keeps new competition going

[solar crown]

They'd bring down their IPs to their graves

They'd rather do jack with it then let others use it

[feral plover]

The future of doom needs bare bones deathmatch mode only for it to die not even a week later 💀

[woven schooner]

I think it would be interesting if the next doom game went full old school quake

But I’d like to see a hybrid between 2016 and eternal

What I would like to see is a full on titan fight

Don’t get me wrong, the icon of sin is really cool, but imagine if you had to actually scale a titan whilst tons of demons are on your ass

Kinda like the fight against Giganto in Sonic Frontiers, minus the part where you become god-oh shit wait we already are god, damnit

[flint hearth]

Is anyone else annoyed with the doom year zero speculation

Like
I seriously doubt it's gonna come out within the near future
And tons of evidence points to a new quake game
most of the little evidence that's supports year zero is pretty flawed

[solar crown]

what amount of "evidence" do we have it'll be quake

[flint hearth]

The evidence that we have for quake or the evidence behind a new doom release?

[solar crown]

quake

like, you know, i mentioned in the comment

they did? where

[flint hearth]

ID has shown quite a bit of interest in quake, mainly with the old release ports and the remaster

[solar crown]

oh i read "they say" as in the makers said

[flint hearth]

The only evidence for year zero is a release schedule that was made before covid hit
It doesn't take an genius to see that any games that did release got delayed and that likely some games on there got canceled

[solar crown]

we wouldget teasers at the bare minimum aswell
don't think doom itself would get cancelled though, dishonred 3 maybe/probably

[flint hearth]

Not doom
Just year zero at most

And ID did state they were not looking into making more doom games at the present time
They had stated this after TAG2's release

[elder viper]

Out of curiosity can you give me an exact source they said this?

[timber sierra]

Hello all, anyone playing mighty doom here?I tried find someone in the mighty doom channel but it seems it's not so active,tag me please if someone does,thanks!

[elder viper]

I’m talking about when did id say they weren’t gonna make another Doom game after TAG 2 like the comment I responded to says

[flint hearth]

You can look through horde mode gamings chanel
I don't remember where he said it

[mint plinth]

there isn't, just speculation. I would of known about it because im doom obsessed

i know everything

[mint plinth]

longer game doesn't mean better. One must find the happy medium. 13-16 Doom Eternal sized levels should be enough. If we get modding and SnapMap 2.0 - what would even be better

If there is a new SnapMap it should be PC only - with console players able to play the maps but not build.

Otherwise SnapMap can't scale and we are held hostage again with a sub par map editor.

[clear prism]

Literally like every game microsofts put out this generation was a dual launch on pc

[serene raptor]

Yup I would like to see the return of Snap Map and multiplayer with more features

[feral plover]

there is no actual confirmation of a Quake Triple A game

there has been no official proof or creditable leaks for such title

We Assumed there would be one because it seems natural out of the 3 main FPS games Id has been rebooting

The reason this Doom Year Zero has credibility is because its leaked straight from the FTC

The FTC Leaked official Plans that Microsoft had including their new console, controller, AND the Betheada road map itself

it doesnt mean these games will release the way they were intended because obviously delays were hit but theres def more likelihood now that the next Doom game is possible

why? Because one of those games from the leak was Doom Eternal and it actually released on time. Year Zero may not release next year just cause i feel we’d get news much earlier but its possible its delayed to 2025 or 26. But this is all speculation, but we know theres a title planned and WAY past its pitched or even prototyped stages to be counted as a next launch plan and not some concept project.

[zenith jolt]

my point was never that longer games are better but that the game shouldn’t be short because bethesda relies on fans to make mods that improve it, it’s not all that fair to other platforms who can’t access mods which is why i want it to be like 5-6 hours

[mint plinth]

i hope for longer than 6 hours. Doom 2016 took me about 18+hours first try, Eternal about 20

[zenith jolt]

yeah

[woven schooner]

i have 2 concerns for this rumoured doom game

my first is the gameplay and how it sticks up with the previous games

my second is the soundtrack and if david levy or andrew hulshult or both or a new guy entirely can deliver something on par with the other two games

and if there will be yet another case of poor management and throwing under the bus like with mick gordon

[elder viper]

Geoffrey Day would be a good person if they needed another person to work on the soundtrack

Though David Levy and Andrew Hulshult did a stellar job and I know Hulshults wanted to work on a Doom game for a while now

[grave plaza]

Please this, he is such a talented artist, and for Doom he would break it all

[autumn mortar]

If they go through three composers like this then I’ll be surprised if anyone talented would want to work with them

[feral plover]

Are you know doom 2 eternal has been annunced? :dealguy

[grave plaza]

2*2=4

[proven grail]

https://tenor.com/view/genius-гений-гениально-gif-25858497

[woven siren]

no this is 2*infinity

[proven grail]

"Two plus two equals five" (2 + 2 = 5) is a mathematically incorrect phrase used in the 1949 dystopian novel Nineteen Eighty-Four by George Orwell.

[potent ore]

Can we get nerf doom guns with actual mods?!

[feral plover]

nah how does plastic destroyer blade even work lol

[potent ore]

Uh y-ya see life uh uh finds a a way

[feral plover]

fair enough its nerf or nothing

[elder viper]

Maybe like those nerf crossbows they have

[autumn mortar]

Be careful you’ll get 1985ed

[manic meadow]

It would be nice if the next doom game has the original doom 1 gameplay

[woven siren]

not... really?

classic doom is the best doom game for me but it's already there to play

[manic meadow]

Classic doom but id tech 8 xd

[woven siren]

but if id comes back and makes their own remake wad for the 30th anniversary that would be fucking AMAZING

[woven siren]

so gzdoom with even fancier graphics

[manic meadow]

Ye

[woven siren]

sounds fun but idt id has the time for that

if only the new id tech engines were more moddable 💔

[feral plover]

There is much more interest in boomer shooters recently.

Doom going back to that could be fun.

[solar crown]

i really hope they will continue their current trend of gaming and not just go back to something else entirely again

don't think it's handy to pingpong game design a lot

[woven schooner]

As long as they keep it at a faster pace and keep some of the complexity from doom eternal, I’m happy :)

[solar crown]

Could go further with intented complexity tbf

[short mantle]

I always imagine someone from id software scrolling through this channel and be like:

https://tenor.com/view/back-to-the-future-taking-notes-notes-michael-j-fox-im-writing-this-down-gif-16242461

[solar crown]

Eternal is only kinda complex by dumbed down fps standards, rhey should really go a bit further

Just not in an artificially bloated way

[woven siren]

like complex doom 💀 (mod for classic doom)

god i love cd but it has insane feature creep and BADLY needs a wiki

[autumn mortar]

Next doom game gets ranks
S ranking a level requires plenty of weapon switching and overall aggression.

Obviously there’d be more to it but that’s a most basic idea

[grave plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/geometry-dash-acheron-text-bubble-text-bubble-meme-twitter-reaction-gif-7862370536887409955

[autumn mortar]

S ranks only the game

[feral plover]

99% sure the next doom game will let us use that huge mech in the Fortress of Doom

[autumn mortar]

I think it’s just there cause the director worked on Pacific Rim

Same with the other big mechs

[cobalt harbor]

doom zero

[hidden grotto]

How would we even get the mech out of the FOD

cant exactly just jump down to Earth

would have to use a very big portal

[feral plover]

Ahem…TAG Part 2

[hidden grotto]

The one in TAG2 was complete
iirc the one on the FOD was dismantled

[elder viper]

I doubt we’ll even see the Fortress of Doom again

[elder viper]

Ultrakill

[hoary kite]

lies

heresy

[feral plover]

i didnt finish eternal yet but my theory is he will finally kill off thr demon race

[mint plinth]

i dont think the doom slayer can kill demons faster than they can mulitply

and hell is likely just short of infinite in terms of size, much like our own universe

[elder viper]

Ok lemme rephrase. We might see it again but I doubt we’ll use it as a hub area again though

[mint plinth]

doubt we would need too. New game will probably have a new hub if its needed. Wait till Doom Eternal HD Remake in 2034

[hoary kite]

noo cause then we cant see the rpg demons in hd

[feral plover]

oh

idk why i feel a special connection with the imps in doom

[woven schooner]

Already exists😔

[crimson mirage]

Cyber cacos and cyber pain elemental

[woven schooner]

Ok i listened to his stuff...yes.

[cobalt harbor]

doom year zero dumbass

[woven schooner]

Ay, that’s uncalled for I was making joke

[fallen marsh]

The wad?

[low dagger]

is a new game actually coming out

like ever

[solar crown]

Yeah obv, you think microsoft will just abandon that cash cow?

[elder viper]

Yes there developing something right now we don’t know anything though

[low dagger]

they kinda did after doom 2016

[solar crown]

???? They literally released eternal
And microsoft didn't own them back the

[runic jungle]

what is year zero? a prequel, or a retro side project, or does the nin title mean we go to the quake universe?

[solar crown]

the development name of a planned doom game from a few years back

[crimson mirage]

Spectre archville

[coral thistle]

Spectre anything

[runic jungle]

summons specter monsters

[vernal wren]

NO NOBOBOBOB

NONONOBOBOBOBOBONONOBOBOB I HATE ARCHIES PLEASE DONT DO THIS TO ME

[woven schooner]

Possessed buffed spectre Archvile, even

[storm mulch]

Whenever doom year zero or whatever the next one is comes out there should be a feature where if an enemy is staggered it can be chainsawed

[fallen marsh]

You can do that...

Do you mean like just a glory kill animation no fuel needed for it?

[storm mulch]

If you have one out of the three fuel needed for a heavy enemy but they are staggered you should be able to use the chainsaw on them

[woven schooner]

you know what would be cool? if the demons looked like the ones in the doom eternal codex entries

or i guess the demons on the cover art of doom 1

[fallen marsh]

Ah I see, that would be kinda good

[storm mulch]

That'd be cool to

[thorny plover]

I swear I saw a leak about Microsoft working on another doom game for like 2025

[fluid plume]

Yea i think doom year zero

[thorny plover]

It’s probably a placeholder name

Or a spin off game that either takes place between 2016 and eternal or during the earth invasion

Or before 2016

[fallen marsh]

Definitely a place holder name but some believe that would be the official title

[mint plinth]

i don think there is enough story between 2016 and eternal. That decision would be odd. Probably post Doom 64

[feral plover]

it depends if they havent already trademarked it

[woven siren]

yea between doom 64 and d2016

[cobalt harbor]

nah

prob when the priest found him

and fought with the knight sentinels against the demons thats what i hope

[solar crown]

Which is between 64 and 2016

[feral plover]

For when doom year zero will be realized??

[short mantle]

There are currently no official announcements.
As soon as we have any official announcement we will make sure to inform the community with a ping.

[feral plover]

Thx

[woven siren]

in year zer9

[feral plover]

Lmao

[cobalt harbor]

oh doom 64s canon?!?!

i thought it was a spin off

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mskxYMKx78

[solar crown]

Nah it's canon

[cobalt harbor]

😭

[solar crown]

All mainline games are, but doom3 is for all intents not canon as it's earth is in an alternate universe

[cobalt harbor]

oh yeah i know doom 3 wasnt canon to the orignal doom franchise

[quiet plinth]

https://youtu.be/0mskxYMKx78?si=hhNVy6BFsnl7-nY9

it's joever

[quiet plinth]

this is actually just half the truth

[solar crown]

what half is false then

[quiet plinth]

since hell is infinite, it connects multiple verses

after slayer chose to stay in hell, he eventually got trapped into the sarcophagus

events of doom 3, they find the sarcophagus of an ancient hero on mars during an excavation

this is not the classics universe, but it is hayden's world

also, remember that there are carvings of slayer in the doom 1 cover using the soul cube in both doom 3 and 2016

and preator sounds a lot like preleanthor, what the demons trapped in the soul cube call themselves in doom 2 rpg

we know that preator suit is infused with demons, so just connect the dots

[solar crown]

the RPGs aren't cannon i'm pretty sure

[quiet plinth]

why not?

if every single fan wad is canon, shouldn't official games be

hell is infinite

[solar crown]

lol they aren't

[quiet plinth]

it was said by the devs

[solar crown]

doesn't mean every single thing you can think of is happening inside of it, that's not how infinities work

[solar crown]

yeah and hugo has also said the whole primeval bullshit that just..... doesn't make sense with the actual ingame lore so

[quiet plinth]

even if they weren't, they are
as i said, hell is infinite. it contains everything possible

[solar crown]

being infinite does not mean it contains everything possible

[quiet plinth]

that's... dumb

it's like saying infinite monkey theorem has a select count

[solar crown]

no?

[quiet plinth]

my man.
i am no einstein but i think infinity is like. bigger than 3 idk.

[solar crown]

think of it this way, with an infinite amount of monkeys with an infinite amount of keyboards and infinite time, yes some of shakespeare's work may be written
but no amount of writing will ever produce a driveable car, it will only make text

just because it's infinite, does not mean things that it can not do will just "happen"

[quiet plinth]

what can it not do

how are they even incompatible

they are like, the smallest of continuity errors in this timeline

[solar crown]

no not really either

hell may be infinite, but that doesn't mean some of the wackier wads will somehow be canon

[quiet plinth]

ohhh you mean things like

harmony and myhouse etc

[solar crown]

random ass wads that are kind of just "normal" could just be a thing ig, it will do basically nothing

[quiet plinth]

yeah
if you have to go that route, just say that the official addons are canon

[vernal wren]

will year zero be on ps4?

im obsessed with doom

and if its not i will die

😡

he killed the dark lord but did he kill satan? or is the darklord satan

[timber phoenix]

I'm 90% sure that's just a coincidence, "praetor" is Latin for "governor" or "enforcer" like the Praetorian Guard from Rome.

Also 90% sure it was never stated the Praetor Suit was "fused with demons"

[cedar barn]

given the huge amount of influences the argenta had for their design wouldnt surprise me if it really is just a coincidence

[timber phoenix]

I also have my own theory as to Doom 3's canonicity. I feel like if it is canon, it'd be one of or the first invasion Hell carried out, as the demons resembled humans more than monsters, and the people of Jakkad can easily be presumed to be humanlike similar to the Argenta

[dreamy vector]

Dang

[cedar barn]

i mean, hell is straight up stated to be conected to ALL of the multiverse

so its posible that the specific area of hell in doom 3 is just that ONE area/part of hell that the doom 3 marine went to

[timber phoenix]

I think if the RPGs are canon, they'd just be in the classic timeline

Speakin of which, always found it kinda cheap how in the classics it explicitly says you saved Earth and destroyed the invasion, but then in Eternal it's revealed you are the classic Marine, and that the classic timeline's Earth actually died.
A lot of retcons, smh

[woven siren]

yeah

but i want to BELIEVE yk

for the wads that clearly don't take place in hell, i like to headcanon that they take place between doom 2 and 64

[normal tartan]

I wish!!! Ps4 or 5, or both. But I've heard it might only be xbox.....

[elder viper]

Doom 3 is confirmed to be canon.

The tablets in the Mars City Underground that show the original Doom box art are confirmed to be the Slayer. Our Doomguy was at one point fighting demons on the Doom 3 Mars way before the events of Doom 3 happen

The Doom 3 demons are also canon. They still live in the Hell we see in 2016 and Eternal. We just never go to areas they inhabit

[stiff sluice]

Not only that but the soul cube appears in both 2016 and eternal

We all know it was for an easter egg but still

[vernal wren]

😨

[storm mulch]

Me about to be attacked personally

[deep pollen]

LETS GO

[storm mulch]

ITS NOT LIKE THAT PENISBREATH

[deep pollen]

my favourite insult

[storm mulch]

ITS NOT LIKE THAT PENISBREATH

[candid light]

Where is my new Doom title?

[stiff sluice]

Dude where the hell did that come from

[craggy eagle]

Tbh that's disappointing

Doom was always known to run on every platform imaginable

[woven schooner]

maybe it'll run on windows too

[full aspen]

a

[woven schooner]

considering microsoft owns that as well

[solar crown]

It didn't run on consoles when it came out

[storm mulch]

E.t the extra terrestrial

[stiff sluice]

The future is full of surprises

[marsh roost]

U mean doom year zero

[quiet plinth]

it's joever

done
cancelled
never got past concept stage

[marsh roost]

woah i didnt know that

[short mantle]

Source?

Or is that just a "Trust me bro"-bs

[solar crown]

eh the fact we don't even have any teaser or anything means that it won't come out for a year or probably two minimum

which is quite a bit considering even with corona it shouldn't be delayed THAT much

[short mantle]

I rather wait 5 more years before i play a rushed unfinished soulless cashgrab.
They can take all the time they need in my opinion.

[atomic compass]

Quality > Quantity

Which Doom Eternal (so far, I’m only on the third level/mission so far) is the definition of quality game

[quiet plinth]

hugo said that working on two dooms back to back ruined the team

i doubt they would return without a detour

[short mantle]

Where did he say that?

Also, they worked partially on Starfield too

[elder viper]

Even if this is true doesn’t mean they need to scrap an entire concept

[quiet plinth]

that is true. like d4 1.0

but to say it's right around the corner is misinformation

besides, i'd rather have an actual quake 1 successor

[hoary kite]

just wait lmao it gets so good

[atomic compass]

I expect it

[thorny bison]

Bro it does get so good i think im on the seventh level osm

[feral plover]

Super shotgun is in cod

https://youtu.be/hIOKXoxySCU?si=8MXIxNdWKLLhdfVq

[feral plover]

its kinda cool

[tawny mountain]

Doom is in call of duty?

Since when?

[elder viper]

Recently

[mint plinth]

its exactly that. Speculation.

[feral plover]

[mint pelican]

Talking about doom sequels gets me just as exited as Titanfall 3 stuff (not to diverge too much from doom given the server I’m saying this on lol)

[tawny mountain]

[woven siren]

titanfall 3...

[feral plover]

….i will never recover

[hoary kite]

titanfall 3 will never happen like team fortress 3

except for transformers 3

[elder viper]

Half-Life 3…

[low forge]

tf3 is not needed, tf2 is already perfect, it is already impossible to do better

[woven schooner]

Honestly, I don’t want a tf3 now that I’ve seen what happened with csgo

I swear to god, valve is the most “one step forward, two steps back” company I’ve seen this side of Nintendo

Those step forwards sure are good tho

[clever bear]

I keep seeing new ads for the Doom series (no specific game listed) lately. Has there been a new development of some kind? I’ve been out of the loop for the last few months

[glad field]

I mean, most recently is the Doom Eternal DLC.

[mint plinth]

there is a dorito promo going around. Not sure what is going on.

just seems kinda strange promotion...

[clever bear]

Yeah I saw the Dorito promo the other day. It seems really odd that it doesn’t apparently tie into a commercial release or anything

[atomic compass]

I understand the Starfield promotion since that was a more recent release

But Doom? I’m lost

I thought it was related to Doom Year Zero but it was cancelled allegedly

So I have no clue either

[mint plinth]

there is no source of it being cancelled, just speculation because the release dates didn't match up

the FTC documents were gospel at the time. I wonder when they were submitted.

teh fact remains, Id did work on Doom Zero and Zenimax forcasted to make half billion dollars - i doubt they would cancel that since it would be a huge pill to swallow for stakeholders.

it would be strange to start development then stop and work on Quake.

[autumn mortar]

What about CSGO

[glad field]

Apparently Counter Strike 2 is bad. I don't see any comparisions to OverWatch 2 though, so CS2 must've done SOMETHING right.

[autumn mortar]

I haven’t seen anyone say it’s bad

Admittedly I don’t keep super up to date on CSGO but from what little I’ve seen the reception was fairly positive

[glad field]

I don't even play it.

[autumn mortar]

Same

[woven schooner]

no cs2 is good, they just completely got rid of csgo

thats the main issue

[glad field]

Oh! I didn't know they did THAT.

[autumn mortar]

They really did pull an Overwatch 2

[elder viper]

My only complaint with CS2 is no Arms Race game mode otherwise I could care less CSGO is gone

CS2’s good enough I can live with that. The water looks very tasty

[glad field]

Can you drink it though?

[elder viper]

I wish

If I could drink the water in CS2…

Oh man

[feral plover]

Is Doom yz canceled?

[short mantle]

Its not even announced/confirmed that its even a thing.

If we have any real/official news, we will make sure to announce it in #announcements

[feral plover]

Ok thank you!

[mint plinth]

dont know why people keep saying this. I dont think anyone knows for sure except the ones working at ID

[misty dagger]

Whats doom yz?

[errant magnet]

doom game set to release in 2024

yz stands for year zero

[runic jungle]

my guess is year zero was rebooted after m$ took ownership. and that was kinda the plan from the start with that title.
now doom yz is going to be about how demons are actually aliens and not that different than us, and you will even get to play as the arbiter i mean uh adjudicator
doom yz will end in a cliffhanger and you will have to buy the next xbox to finally maybe have a boss fight against the intern
after that m$ will try to soft reboot the doom series with doom infinite, which will be open world.

[errant magnet]

lmao

and then it will be bad at launch but then be one of the best halo games ever

i-i mean doom!

[coral thistle]

What is digital circus about

[errant magnet]

girl called pommi that puts on a weird vr headset and gets teleported to a virtual circus

and everybody is trapped there

it’s pretty good

[short mantle]

Those are very. Very. Very old dates.

[autumn mortar]

No splitscreen

Was co-op ever added?

[errant magnet]

you can’t play campaign coop but you can do coop matches

and by coop i mean split screen

[autumn mortar]

I thought splitscreen was never added officially

[errant magnet]

not to campaign

[simple sentinel]

If demons can't be the main enemies of the next game due to canon, their prototypes can be used instead. The demons were created in hell, but the blueprints for the demon builds could have been created somewhere else, such as a higher dimension. This opens the possibility for demons with higher specifications, being they have resemblances to the demons we know from hell, but variety between each demon. I think of it as, the demons from hell are mass produced to fill an army, whereas the proto demons from the higher dimension could be less numerous but far more intelligent, detailed, and have variations between each member: proto imp one, two, three, to proto imp 'n' all have unique differences in appearance and behavior.

[low forge]

I hope so

[feral plover]

Doom year zero

[feral plover]

Why ?

[feral plover]

Of course, you're right

[low forge]

no need for new doom

the story is over

New doom can't give us anything new

[solar crown]

does he know?

also weird to assume the story really matters, or that it can't just be an alternate story

[low forge]

alternative story is boring

[solar crown]

....history?

[runic jungle]

doom eternal was a great mech simulator. a lot of that suits doomguy, but we lost a lot of meta strategy from watching meters grow instead of scavenging resources. id dropped the ball in the endgame of both 2016 and eternal, and i would rather have spent this time bfg spamming a bunch of barons. and we barely even touched the grapple hook platforming. there is, unquestionably, a lot more game to be had.

[solar crown]

just bfging barons with no actual gameplay sounds boring as fuck, i'd much rather have the actual gameplay of eternal's movement shooting

[elder viper]

Hell is definently going to be unsealed at some point. I was hoping a potential Quake reboot could tie Quakes monsters into Dooms universe

considering Quake usage of other dimensions and teleportation it would have been cool if Hell's overbearing presence in every universe was keeping Shubs forces out making Hell a neccesary evil

Considering there are beings above Davoth who made Hell I think it makes sense there are worlds with monsters that are more dangerous then Hell and its demons

Would be cool to see a Lovecraft corrupted demons as well

[woven siren]

it's way harder to make bfging barons fun than it is to make stuff fun with eternal's mechanics

[autumn mortar]

Story in Doom is about as important as the story in Mario

[elder viper]

Better to have a story then none at all especially in a linear game like Doom

[autumn mortar]

I guess but it should never get in the way of gameplay

It’s not like the writing in Doom is terribly special anyway

[elder viper]

I mean no one’s really praising it either. It was just cool to see them not ignore the older titles but rather incorporate them into the universe they where building with 2016

[autumn mortar]

Edgy doom slayer was so stupid though

It’s you but edgy wahhhhhh

[elder viper]

Could have been worse. Imagine if he was saying one liners and stuff like a Build Engine protagonist

I’m fine with how he is since he’s a mostly silent protagonist

I think the edge works fine then

[autumn mortar]

No he’s just lame, Samur made him look like a bitch despite mr edgy supposedly being the big bad no one but you can stop

[elder viper]

How did Samur do that? Doomguy beat him

[autumn mortar]

His fight is like 3x harder

The random ass hell knight (glad) you fight put up more of a fight

[elder viper]

Didn’t you just say how story shouldn’t overtake gameplay? That is a prime example of it not doing that lol

[autumn mortar]

It shouldn’t be to the detriment but the hardest boss being the last one you fight isn’t a detriment

What I really wish though is that the story took a back seat maybe make it mostly environmental, but if they are gonna do it this way make the big bad not one of the easiest bosses in the game

[elder viper]

Wait you just said Samur was a hard fight though (which it absolutely is)

Or are you taking about Davoth?

[autumn mortar]

Yes Samur isn’t the big bad

Edgy dude

Davoth is way too easy

Discount Glad

[elder viper]

Oh yeah I completely agree. He should not have been regulated to a DLC that was already on a strict deadline.

Super tedious fight as well. Just not very fun or engaging. Worse Marauder in every sense

[autumn mortar]

Marauder+ looking ass fool playing a dumb ass game of fuck off green light

[elder viper]

TRUE

Immora was fun though I liked platforming around the city though the encounters are pretty trash

[autumn mortar]

Great theme way too fucking easy I wish that got the master level over world sphere

[elder viper]

Immoran Soldiers are so pointless. Can’t be chainsawed, glory killed, die if you breathe on them

[elder viper]

The theme and visuals of TAG 2 where on point but yeah way to easy.

[autumn mortar]

It sucks seeing that bomb ass theme wasted on such a trash level

There’s like only 3 actual fights in the level if I’m generous

[elder viper]

It’s 1:15 for me and I’m tired so I’m calling it a night. Goodnight or have a great day to wherever you are

[autumn mortar]

You too

[solar crown]

Impossible unless they fundamemtally rework the bfg and the entire gameplay loop

Just spamming 1 button and winning with no effort is hard to make engaging

[autumn mortar]

Bfg still requires more effort than the sword at least you have to vaguely aim the bfg but both weapons are just stupid

[solar crown]

Crucible only has 3 charges and can kill 1 demon at a time aswel

[woven siren]

i meant bfging barons in classic sorry

you need creative monster setups to make bfging fun

because otherwise it's hold strafe buttons and left click for 2 minutes

[tawny mountain]

Is Doom Year Zero true?

[foggy seal]

most likely was or is, its fate remains unknown

[solar crown]

They where actual timeframes

[tawny mountain]

[runic jungle]

is the stone imp immune to the bfg? there could be ways to make bfgspam still strategic and fun
the chaingunner could have been hitscan too, and snipers would be a nice way to mix it up

makyr drones dropping bfg ammo would have been sick

[solar crown]

They aren't immune to anything irc

[runic jungle]

iirc the stone imp needs to be killed with the auto shotgun.

[simple sentinel]

This is what I look forward to

[woven siren]

that just makes them take more damage i think

[autumn mortar]

One tapped by min charge dblade

[sly mural]

i have a theory that the next doom will be a puzzle game that has little to nothing in common with the original ip that the game is based off of!!!!!!!

[autumn mortar]

That is a theory, a game theory

[elder viper]

Maybe you didn’t load the mod correctly or don’t have the right version of GZDoom. Also this would be a better question to ask in #classic-doom

And you followed the instructions on the download page? I suggest you use ZDL. It makes loading and managing Doom mods 10 billion times easier

I’m going to use google translate so sorry in advance

И вы следовали инструкциям на странице загрузки? Я предлагаю вам использовать ZDL. Это упрощает загрузку и управление модами Doom в 10 миллиардов раз.

I’m sorry what?

Oh ok

Should I put my response in Russian as well? Would be through google translate

I did I know your issue. You can’t move right?

Ты не можешь двигаться, верно?

Ok so, it’s late where I am so I believe this might be a scripting issue

Try redownloading Project Brutality and for good measure GZDoom as well

also get ZDL it’ll make this easier for you

ZDL is a launcher for Doom mods

It makes organization and loading mods easier

Also can be used to easily swap out mods, load them together, swap between source ports etc etc

Yes

Alright I’m going to bed. Here the link though: https://github.com/lcferrum/qzdl

[low forge]

А мне понравилась твоя идея.

[short mantle]

Please keep it english only @neat furnace & @low forge

[mint plinth]

Well if Doom **Zero **still exists, that might imply a prequel during the slayer crusade sentinel time

[lethal swan]

that one on the bethesda leak was called year zero right (idk if its alright to talk about that but whatever) so it does indeed suggest a prequel/something with going back in time

or perhaps year zero of a new era which will be more exciting

[mint plinth]

maybe, seems kinda strange esp when other games with ZERO in the titel tend to be prequels.

[lethal swan]

maybe it's just an unrelated codename

ngl i just want a full on quake reboot just like doom 2016

[mint plinth]

maybe, but hard to project a "new" game having a forecast of nearly half billion dollars. I do not think a new Quake would have that kind of pull on its First reboot SP campaign.

i would need to feed offf the success of Quake which might mean a crossover of the stories in some way.

[short mantle]

Just build a new PC for 4.000€
Can i have a new DOOM now? Thanks id software, appreciate it

[solar crown]

It will already automatically be played well because it's from ID/bethesda and will come to gamepass day 1

[mint plinth]

for Id fans yes, but Doom has far more brand recondition. Not everyone is rich like you and I, lots of people can't buy more than a 1-2 games per year. So that means buying it later once reviews are out and its praised. Not sure what GamePass really is since I don't have it

[atomic compass]

Xbox gamepass is a subscription where it allows you to have a catalog of games and allows you to play them through streaming without needing to manually download them

[dark perch]

you get quake 5 😈

[solar crown]

"Microsoft games/bethesda games" have quite some brand recognition aswell

Or plop down "from the makers of eternal"

[mint plinth]

so it isn't a sale. Do they put up BIG games on gamepass right away? Seems like a loss to me

[atomic compass]

I don’t know of they just straight up put the best games on there

But I do know they have an extensive catalog, and some games come in and some leave occasionally

[runic jungle]

So, Skyrim is now scifi. And soon doom will be ye olden tyme?

[lethal swan]

doom has brand recognition now because of doom 2016 and eternal

quake can be revived for sure

i know its not as easy as just "ah lets make quake 5 now"

[mint plinth]

just saying Zenimax projections are the hardest evidence of Doom (not quake) being worked at the moment. We just might find out what is in store taht the Game Rewards since it is Classic Doom 30th

Not to mention there are some very strange and out of place Doom promotions with Doritos and Mountain Dew

[short mantle]

If we get a new DOOM Game im sure it will be announced at QuakeCon

[solar crown]

eh the most expensive ones, got quite a few amazing indies and stuff in my library that aren't on gamepass

most AAA is just kinda eh ok, the hype carries them further

plus like, idk why you wouldn't wait for sale anyways on most games gamepass asside

[solar crown]

well according to that source it would release this year, probs in may iirc?
even with regular delays included, we wouldve got a teaser minimum by now

and dishonered 3 aswell...

[atomic compass]

yea tbh I just buy games when they're on sale

like rn I'm considering getting mortal kombat x and fallout 3 goty

like do you see their prices???? MKX is $4.99 USD and so is F3GOTY on steam rn

[solar crown]

yeah got FNV for like, 7 or so euro?

iirc i bought my first 60 euro game with my own money just 2 weeks ago, which was baldurs gate 3

and that was only after weeks of praise and knowing the high quality, and knowing divinity original sin II only had it's first sale a year+ after

anything else except one of the highest rated games in recent times i'll almost never give 60 bucks for

maybe next ID game if ik it will have a good gameplay loop, or i'll ask that for my bday anyways

don't have a whole lot of other things to ask anyways might aswell get a "discount"

[lethal swan]

the only 60-bucks game i bought was super mario maker 2 which i havent played in 2 years

i got doom eternal for christmas when it was on sale for like 25 bucks with ancient gods included

well no actually i did buy cyberpunk a week after release for 50ish bucks

i have all doom games and all fallouts and theyve all been bought on sales i think

maybe doom 2 wasnt i dont remember i just wanted the wad

[solar crown]

Ok but it was a wad, how much could it have been 30 bucks?

[lethal swan]

Nah it was like 5 bucks

I just wanted to have it "legally"

[autumn mortar]

I remember when the ps4/xbone came out and all the last gen games were like $5 retail, good times

[elder viper]

with arkanes recent track record. idk about a dishonored 3

[solar crown]

Arkane is 2 studios so eh
Still wary but you should for every AAA game

[woven siren]

never spent over 5 on a game 😎

[lethal swan]

kinda unrelated but i bought pretty much every game that ive ever pirated

[low forge]

Quake 6*

[lethal swan]

Quake 7

[low forge]

before quake 7 we need quake 6, but quake 6 hasn't released yet

[lethal swan]

well they made halo infinite but they didnt make halo 6, halo 7, halo 8, halo 9, halo 10, halo 11, halo 12, halo 13... so why not

[low forge]

infinity is not a number

[crude cedar]

infinity is all the numbers hanging out together

[woven siren]

ok but iphone 10 and windows 10

[low forge]

Iphone is shit, windows 9 is 8.1

[woven siren]

ok but they made more doom games after final doom

[solar crown]

well, kinda

[tawny mountain]

Android is better than iPhone

[woven siren]

the gravitational constant on earth is 9.81m/s2

[tawny mountain]

²

[lilac pulsar]

What would you like in a HeXeN reboot?

Imagine they brought HeXeN back (which is looking possible), what would you like to see in the reboot?

Personally I'd like to see it be a remake of the Serpent Rider trilogy with a degree of open world redness (somewhere between Rage and Skyrim, so not too open and empty) with potion crafting and the like.

[feral plover]

It does sound like that would be worth doing. They did that with Graven but not as stable (similar feel). Maybe if done without the higher requirements from Quake 1/2 remakes. What engine would work best though?

[runic jungle]

Hugs mentioned being slower and having more melee weapons, and the new mobs in eternal were from hexen. But I think they learned a lot from the quake 2 remaster, and it's not gunna happen.

Not that my opinion matters. Halo 3 was just a better halo 2, and I would love that from the next doom game.

[feral plover]

Who knows with Modding and such. Seeing NightDive Studios doing remakes, they might

[autumn mortar]

Halo 3 objective best Halo

[runic jungle]

Well, imo reach was best halo. Besides that debate yeah

[autumn mortar]

Halo reach is second

[runic jungle]

Cool

[autumn mortar]

Beans

[runic jungle]

I'm ready how bout you?

[autumn mortar]

I’m ready
I’m ready
I’m ready
I’mmmmmmm readyyyyyyyyy!!!

[elder viper]

I really want a Blood reboot

If any old game deserves a reboot Blood or Quake should be it

Retcon Blood II and everything’s fine

[earnest oak]

A blood 3 would be great right now

But with the same energy of the original

[low forge]

it's just a game

Blood 3 is not needed

[elder viper]

Well yeah it’s obviously just a game what else would it be?

A Blood reboot would be cool though. Blood II is a pretty sad place to leave a franchise like that at

[low forge]

this game is too ordinary. The entire series of games does not stand out at all

Its just another doom clone

[elder viper]

I think it’s reputation alone would spark interest if they announced a reboot. AND they would have a chance to make it stand out a little more

I would also argue the original Bloods settings and weaponry set it apart from Doom by a lot

[foggy seal]

"it just another Doom clone"

that's an insult considering how different whole experience is

[woven siren]

either trolling or stupid

[low forge]

no, there’s a third option: the bitter truth

[feral lake]

https://tenor.com/view/boring-unimpressed-meh-really-seriously-gif-16279809

[elder viper]

How exactly is it a Doom clone? There very VERY much different

[low forge]

minor changes. just added some physics, changed textures and changed the engine to a ridiculous build engine

[foggy seal]

this confirms you have no idea what you're talking about lmao

[low forge]

this confirms that you didn't even read what I wrote

[elder viper]

Those are NOT minor changes. By that absurd logic every 3D fps game after Quake is just a Quake clone and nothing more

Also saying “changed textures” makes it sound like your talking about a Doom mod. The Build Engine is ENTIRELY separate to idTech 1 so just ‘changing the engine’ is not a minor change

[low forge]

On the contrary, I consider replacing the engine with BE as a deterioration of the game

[elder viper]

How??

[low forge]

because the build engine uses outdated technologies which, on the contrary, spoil the gameplay making it more confusing

[feral lake]

dudes trollin fr fr

[low forge]

Yes, i think @elder viper trolling me

[feral lake]

r/woosh