the-future

[alpine robin]

Still count it as edited.
or maybe have it go through an approval process to be added as a featured map or something

[woven siren]

obviously i want custom enemies

[solar crown]

regular enemies should be regular enemies, no lil tweaking

[feral plover]

cause “enemy balance” i understand but we are talkin custom maps not a base campaign

[woven siren]

look at classic doom maps for example

the average person will be making maps with vanilla enemies

they want custom ones? they learn dehacked (or zscript/decorate)

[feral plover]

yeah but what if someone wanted to make a Harder Doom game so they make a map with vanilla enemies that may have more health or extra enemy behavior

[woven siren]

the hard doom mod

[feral plover]

i mean thats a cool concept on its own

[solar crown]

they're fine to make custom enemies, just regular enemies can't be tweaked

[woven siren]

this is it

if you let the average joe tweak enemy behavior with a bunch of slider values, you're basically making map anarchy

[feral plover]

@woven siren if the map has enemies with health 10x on vanilla enemies and plays poorly just dont play the map

[woven siren]

the thing is that there'll be tons of maps like that

but eh, it'd be fine if it worked like GD with rating systems n shit

[feral plover]

Unless they have the option to make custom enemies

then people who are passionate may put in the effort

[woven siren]

i don't want to have to guess whether or not the imp in front of me is normal or has 100000 hit points

that's the gist of it

[feral plover]

i mean its no different to someone wanting 100 cyberdemons in a map and calls it a day

[solar crown]

people will be able to have enemies with 10x hp, they just wouldnt be the regular enemies but clear custom demons

[woven siren]

yes, just make the demons clearly custom ones

[feral plover]

if its a bad map dont play and i dont think its fair to assume just cause 1 person makes a bad map means Everyone will

What's the discussion?

[feral plover]

Custom enemies somethin somethin. We shouldnt tweak vanilla enemies etc.

[woven siren]

easily accessible custom enemy-making in snapmap

[feral plover]

Like a hypothetical Doom Eternal Snapmap?

[woven siren]

yes, hypothetical next doom game snapmap

should it let you tweak enemy stats in the editor

[solar crown]

also i think you should be able to see in the description the custom enemies, so you can see prior whether or not it may be actually good and not just 95 million imps with 3 billion HP and oneshots everywhere

[woven siren]

i'm not against custom enemies

just that i don't want custom enemies to become the norm

imo just leave it with the regular enemies like any sort of level editor

leave it to mods for custom enemies, or at least make them harder to make

[feral plover]

yeah but we are talkin abt community creation. just let em do whatever they want is an amazing thing.

Dream game: Doom Maker. No campaign. Game dedicated as a standalone Doom 2016-Eternal Snapmap.
Features all enemies from 2016 and Eternal, uses Eternal's moveset and weapons as a base but allows you to turn off things like the Meathook or Flame Belch for your map if you wish. Make semi-complex 3D maps with base, shitty textures, allow the player to import custom textures to make the map look super nice if they want.

[woven siren]

again, look at classic doom maps

[solar crown]

thing is, they would be able to do what they want, except have a completely regular mancubi have 10x damage
you're free to make a custom "blue" mancubi with 10x damage, but not a regular one

[woven siren]

you can technically do whatever you want, but the crazier shit you want to do, the harder

let me try fleshing something out, hold on

[alpine robin]

That would just a be a glorified dlc no offense

[feral plover]

I mean from what ur saying u think just cause 1 person does it meaning the majority will. I mean if we can change enemy states and player/weapon stats. Thats great on its own too

[feral plover]

Good

like are u gonna say players should just make custom weapons?

Low-effort map maker that guarantees the longevity of 2016/Eternal's gameplay? I want that.

[alpine robin]

At most 30 dollars, probably less, should be free imo

[feral plover]

What if i dont want to. I mean i like the idea of me going full shotgun auto with a double barrel

[solar crown]

if you want it easily digestible, a "normal" mancubus would basically be a set, unchangeable custom demon with a unique skin, which you can't get anywhere else but from that standard demon

so if you're making a custom mancubi, you can use it's stats, or even change them, but you can't use that skin with your custom mancubi

[feral plover]

Bonuses:

• Import Classic Doom .wads as maps into the game, allowing for easy map creation if you don't care about visuals.
• Allow the player to switch between Eternal weapons and 2016 weapons.
• Every enemy has an alt version that is a different enemy. Riot Soldier / Hell Razer, Archvile / Summoner, Hell Knight / Dread Knight, Baron / Armored Baron
• Allow premade chunks to be put into levels, said chunks are arenas from 2016/Eternal.
• Put Deathmatch in the game and allow the player to make Deathmatch maps.
  I have just conceptualized the natural progression from Doom Eternal and the perfect release to satisfy 2016/Eternal fans without having to make the series keep iterating on those releases. Now make it, id. Now

i mean the way i interpret this is @woven siren u played like 1000 bad maps and cause now someone has the power to change the game ur obligated to just play the map when u can find someone else’s that is good ig

[woven siren]

actually never mind

[feral plover]

i know what ur saying i really do. ik exactly what u mean but on the grand scheme of things.

If theres a good map then play that map

[woven siren]

if people are too used to the vanilla gameplay anyway, unbalanced custom enemies will be a turnoff

[feral plover]

If theres an imp dealing 10000x damage. Do not play that map

[solar crown]

you'll only know that after downloading the map and playing a bit, and even then you need to realise it's that 1 imp

[feral plover]

because i god for sake will

[solar crown]

what is so bad about having it be a lil bit clear it's a custom enemy, ONLY because that 1 enemy is blue isntead of red?

[feral plover]

i mean yeah how can u stop that

[woven siren]

yea, just make custom enemies distinct

[solar crown]

i said that prior

[woven siren]

people want a set standard for the game so that they can quantify their skill and build proper muscle memory and game knowledge, any sort of chaos with unbalanced enemies will be ignored

[feral plover]

not rlly any different to someone making Peach’s castle on the thumbnail and turns out its actually just my house

Thats just gettin clickbaites

[feral lake]

I mean, you could solve the problem with a custom arsenal as well I guess

[feral plover]

which has happened. The amount of times i book marked a halo forge map and its nothij at all what i saw in the thumbnail

[woven siren]

but there might be a community divide between people who play with the custom enemies and the vanilla players

[feral lake]

Well probably not "solve"

[woven siren]

my guy that is a total conversion

[feral plover]

do u actually know that tho

[woven siren]

that's a new game with doom movement

[feral plover]

or are u assuming that

[woven siren]

the thing is, there MIGHT be

[solar crown]

list of custom enemies, their stats, and their amount in the description in like a lil box

[woven siren]

because with custom arsenals and enemy rosters, you're basically given the freedom to make a new FPS game with doom movement

[feral lake]

Wait so is Brutal Doom a TC?

[woven siren]

with a different mapset, yes!

[feral plover]

yeah and we are talkin abt Custom creation. I mean u have a choice to find the best maps too

[feral lake]

Huh, interesting

[feral plover]

Its like saying people will make a shitty map level. Cause there might doesnt mean there wont be good ones.

it doesnt mean this “issue” will ruin it cause its a map editor and in the end of the day. community creation is awesome

also doesnt stop someone modding the game anyway so like yk meh

[woven siren]

i mean, there will be people who swear by vanilla

[feral plover]

ok and let em be and dont play their maps

u actually believe every map will be revenant with 1000000x health and a shotgun

[woven siren]

no i don't??

[solar crown]

it's handy to know it prior

[feral plover]

or u believe people can be passionate and make their own stuff

[woven siren]

i said that i want to know if an imp has 10x hp or not

[feral plover]

so ur argueing abt somethin that you know isnt entirely a big deal

[feral plover]

Ye cant wait when someone just recreates the vanilla models for custom demon imports. Like i bet u someone will just recreate the vanilla just to specifically mess with you.

[woven siren]

my train of thought already resolved itself into agreeing with custom enemies

[woven siren]

obviously

[solar crown]

but it is, if you have neither a log of custom demons nor a distinction between normal and custom demons it's all just chaos and completely not player friendly

[feral plover]

ye so we are back to square 1 of the “Not rlly an issue cause the issue hasnt happened” arguement

[feral plover]

ok but if ur a good map maker then u will fix that

its not the game’s fault your map sucks.

Im stating its not an issue cause not 90% of all map makers are like out to get u like a conspiracy theorist

i understand your issue but whose actually this hardcore about maps

[solar crown]

no but the game can definitely make sure you know it prior to playing it, AND that it's actually clear

[solar crown]

if you have played any game with a custom mapmaker you know that 99% of them are bad

[solar crown]

???? so in a custom mapmaker, wanting to have a bit of clarity is somehow bad and hardcore???

[feral plover]

ok and 99% is a big percentage. Is there no game with a good variety of maps?

R u saying people arnt passionate and dont actually want to do some good with a map editor

[woven siren]

the 1% will be good enough

[solar crown]

i genuinely hope you know that there is a distinction between 0 and 1%

[woven siren]

classic doom's wads (the ones you hear about) have more quality control solely because you release maps into the wild for people to find out about and play, so wads get around via recommendations

[solar crown]

usually there are more then 100 maps aswell

[feral plover]

im messing with u but also saying how outrageous to assume snapmap will fail cause of so many bad maps

[solar crown]

where did i assume it was bad

[woven siren]

if you have a centralized map maker, you can find other people's shitty maps much more easily

[feral plover]

where did u assume people will make so many terrible player friendly maps

[woven siren]

i think classic doom has had as much shitty maps as any game with a level editor, it's just that those don't really get passed around a lot except for notorious ones like wow.wad

[solar crown]

scroll through any place where you can upload whatever you want and sort by new, and then see what you get

[feral plover]

ok then its up to Id to actually yk market some of these amazing maps

yk like a normal community site would

what if i want to use a pinky like an overwatch payload that just wants to walk in a straight line and the enemy team has to Destroy it before the other delivers.

Yeah my issue is very specific but its the same position as you have in wanting to not tweak enemies

the reason 2016 snapmap was so incredible and unique was to customize enemy behavior

cause that isnt somethin common in an In-game map editor

[solar crown]

but you literally can have that

it just doesnt look like the "regular" pinky, it would look different

[feral plover]

but what if i want to because its how i as the creator want to.

[solar crown]

even creator has limits, not having your paynky be 1:1 toa pinky is one of those, because you dont want a pinky

[feral plover]

ok but how does that stop someone making a whole bundle called the “Vanilla demons” just so i can import it in for my map to mess around with it too.

its just a never ending circle cause of a dev’s refusal to put the thing that seems obvious to have

[solar crown]

you can call things whatever you want, i dont see how that would be relevant

[solar crown]

if you want custom demons, you have custom demons
if you want regular demons, you have regular demons

[feral plover]

because ur issue was to tweak vanilla enemy stats and someone making models exactly like vanilla which a player can easily assume its vanilla and realize its not

[solar crown]

then they would either be able to see in the description there is this enemy that is basically a regular enemy but it gives you the middle finger, or to have a protection on the type of models you can make
so people wont just go around making genitalia everywhere

it would still be an eternal maker, not a generic shooter maker so ofc it will have limits

or rather, a doom maker

[woven siren]

war of the titans, i thought yall would be done after 15 minutes

let people flag troll maps

that fixes everything

[solar crown]

i think you are forgetting that a doom maker isnt just for makers, it's also for people playing on those maps

[feral plover]

Yea but i dont think someone is this much a purist where maps gotta be a certain way

like what if someone just wants to make a cool map not actually a functioning doom level

[solar crown]

.....when did i say they can't?

literally the only thing i've been saying is that there should be transparency in what kind of custom enemies there are, and that the regular demons are regular, if you want custom demons you can have custom demons that are not the regular demons

[feral plover]

yeah and im just sayin let em do whatever they want. And ur issue isnt rlly paramount cause that can easily apply to any game with map creation and enemy editing so wheres the proof people actually get pissed abt these things that u keep bringing up

Where is the proof people get mad seeing an enemy they originally see in the base game and turns out its a 100000 hp golliathe

[solar crown]

i should have listened to my own advice

[feral plover]

if u wanna say im illiterate and dont understand what ur saying. Then dont be surprised if someone responded to your take.

[solar crown]

you are clearly not capable of having a regular conversation with not caring to interpreted what the other has said

[feral plover]

u can always stop replying im all open to resolve

[solar crown]

it's called an understanding of game design sweetie look it up

[feral plover]

ok so we are game developers now ig?

[solar crown]

....are you not while making a map?

anyways i think i can see where you are coming from

[feral plover]

am i or did i just want to mess around with a map editor?

[solar crown]

if you look all of this through the lenses of someone who just wants to troll, this all makes rather a lot of sense

[feral plover]

ok-?

thanks ig

Ig i have been trolling everyone good to know

[solar crown]

it just doesnt make sense otherwise

[feral plover]

if u want to someone to vouch for u that im a troll then be my guest

[solar crown]

i mean, just look at the entire convo

[feral plover]

U had moments ago to move on before i started talking with @woven siren

which i do not have any “motivation” to troll them either

[solar crown]

• even after multiple times telling otherwise, still thinks that you can not make custom enemies
• whilst being very passionate about a map maker, apparently never cared to actually look at the page of uploads

[feral plover]

Never said u couldnt make custom enemies i said allow players to do whatever they want even tweak vanilla enemies cause its their map not yours

[solar crown]

and it's IDs mapmaker, not their mapmaker

it has to be made for both the players and the makers, so why not have some set in stone "legacy" demons so that new mapmakers can use those, and some more experienced mapmakers can make their own? and all the while, new players know what the demons are with no coinflips for what weapons will be effective, how much hp they have, how much damage they will do and whatnot. and if a demon is actually unique? the would actually know it!

[feral plover]

yeah and u already gave ideas like descriptions, titles, genres, etc.

[solar crown]

making the bar of entry even lower is only better

what is the harm in having normal demons be normal except for "but muh skin"

[feral plover]

Because some people prefer a tone or style for their maps and want an artistic choice over function.

[solar crown]

then they can use those regular demons if they dont care for function

[feral plover]

Cause stuff like Difficulty adjustment mods are sometimes my own preference over a developer’s choice

[solar crown]

then you can make your custom demons???

[feral plover]

Like for example: One of my top mods i use is the Halo 4 rebalance or whatever mod because it fixes vanilla enemies in the campaign way better than what the developers put out and its just that simplicity is fine by me.

and im def going to hell for this take but pretty sure that railgun baron does have a point in wanting to adjust Doom balance for their own personal take sorry @reef bolt 💀

[feral plover]

and ill stop pinging every reply now but for #2 Id can easily make an algorithm of sorts to sort maps having things like Featured, Most Replayed etc. to show good maps

[solar crown]

why not both

[feral plover]

both of what

[solar crown]

thought that was in referral to the regular demons being regular mb

[solar crown]

that doesnt stop the vast majority being hot dogshit, having just a bit of quality control at worst means the servers are less stressed and people that like seeking for gems have to go through less shit

[feral plover]

i mean the way i see it having other ways like uploading your creation on a discord channel here on this server for attention or making youtube videos or Id making a Group specifically to showcase maps is great

[solar crown]

ok?

[feral plover]

Im not arguing with u im just adding suggestions some ways to make your map seen

[solar crown]

most of these things arent really things ID would need to do these things would just happen automatically tbf

[feral plover]

Fortnite still showcases maps on their front page for u to see logging into the game, Halo infinite does do weekly forge showcases, Roblox is Roblox ig. Theres dogshit but ill still find somethin cool ig

[solar crown]

yeah but why not limit the shit and make it clearer

[woven siren]

how are you guys still going

just go with a rating system, let users flag troll maps, and add a "featured" and "most played" list

[feral plover]

Idk shes chill

if u want me to change the subject. Ill start talkin abt Del Taco

It sucks and i hate it

[woven siren]

what is del taco

[feral plover]

damn

[solar crown]

boredom, why not just rant

[woven siren]

is there a del taco in the philippines

[feral plover]

shit i forget u guys have like jolibee and mcdonalds

[woven siren]

ok there is no del taco in the philippines

[feral plover]

lmao “sweetie”

[solar crown]

just because i'm bored doesnt mean i can't call out a enormously stupid take

[feral plover]

Fair enough

[feral plover]

ye well dont move to cali

[woven siren]

grandma lives there

[feral plover]

sucks i hate it. will burn it down soon

[woven siren]

we saved up for several years for a trip to the US, and went to c*lifornia

[feral plover]

your grandma is fighting homeless people on a daily basis

[solar crown]

not many reasons to go from non US to the US unless you're in an really bad country or physically can't go to canada/EU

[woven siren]

yes /srs

[woven siren]

college, US has MIT and harvard

[feral plover]

what state u in

[solar crown]

none, netherlands

[feral plover]

Mb

[solar crown]

europe also has high schools, and not like you can't get a good job in other places

those schools are also mostly so "successful" because their entry requirements are strict af

[feral plover]

@woven siren dw half the universities dont accept SAT

[alpine robin]

#general ?

[woven siren]

wdym successful

[solar crown]

highly regarded and such

[woven siren]

ah

having a degree from a fancy college is really helpful though

[solar crown]

well yeah

but those arent missing in europe either

[woven siren]

yes, of course

MIT or harvard hits different though

more international recognition

[solar crown]

i dont believe the difference to be that drastically huge, if you care about the "lux schools" you aught to know delft and those british things

[solar crown]

yeah should

[woven siren]

real men host conversation in #music

[solar crown]

glad i'm not invited

[mint plinth]

That is understandable. Having a normal monster with different stats wthout telling the player isn't a good thing. Only thing I could see it changing is if you put a Boss HP bar to signify it being a boss. In my wad for example i always give clues to the player if I want to change some aspects of the vanilla monsters

[solar crown]

a bossbar would less be a statistic of the demon itself tbf

[mint plinth]

So i posted something in artwork section - #artwork message

These animation frames show the player if they are using a different attack. Hell knight fires a blood bolt which heals the hell knight 100%, caco fires a lightning round which stuns players. This happens about 10% of the time

Sounds are also edited so the player knows that they better dodge. The lost soul was recolerd and coded. The only difference is that for the most part, no more infightting. I felt such a change required a minor pallete edit

[feral plover]

Ima be real what is the point of the Super Nail gun in quake these days

or even plasma gun itself sometimes in doom games

my fav weapon and i cant find a reason for it to exist in the sandbox

like in Quake MP its just a cool automatic weapon that fires projectiles u must lead so it rewards precision but something like the Machine Gun is a hitscan and to compensate the Machine gun has to be somewhat weaker in damage for how easy it is to use.

[mint plinth]

I think the super variant does more DPS at the expense of ammo.

NIN

[reef bolt]

So you choose death

[feral plover]

it does but tbh idk why not just make a better machine gun

[mint plinth]

which game are we talking about now?

[feral plover]

quake

im talkin abt whats the point of the Nailgun in competitive quake

Super Nailgun/Plasma Gun are really the same thing in quake balancing

[feral plover]

Marathon finally gettin a revival

they be makin me wish doom was an extraction shooter rn.

[spiral moon]

i want a new chex quest game

not like that horrible rerelease

[woven siren]

shut up

[feral plover]

on god

[leaden sable]

I hope for doom 6 the Devs go for a more realistic art style approach like 2016

[feral plover]

I prefer Eternal's style.

[solar crown]

eternal's is actually unique, 2016 is just generic realgrim style

[feral plover]

I used to parrot the “all the environments look the same” talking point about 2016 but since replaying I’d have to disagree

Some of the UAC environments are pretty uninspired admittedly and there’s nothing really as vivid or unique as in Eternal, but 2016 has so many great environments

Kadingir Sanctum, Titan’s realm, and necropolis especially are pretty great

I actually prefer them over the hell levels in eternal from an aesthetic standpoint

[reef bolt]

If you were back in 2006 to 2019 everyone would laugh at you

That's def a eternal first doom baby take

[solar crown]

i always would much rather have something more distinct then a more "regular" AAA experience

[elder viper]

Love the Necropolis, Titans Realm, and Argent D’Nurs presentation. Especially the Necropolis with a looming Icon of Sin

[reef bolt]

2016 revived the boomer shooter. You obviously have no idea what the shooters were like in 2015

[solar crown]

....we where talking about visuals right?

[reef bolt]

Well in that case battlefield 1 takes the cake

[lethal pier]

I really like doom 2016’s style

I enjoy the more realistic gritty atmosphere compared to eternal

Glory kills, while less plentiful, I feel had to be a bit more creative since they didn’t have the doom blade

Hey, maybe next doom we’ll get glory kills where doom guy uses his weapon to pummel a demon like it was teased in the older builds of 2016

[feral plover]

I guessed that was retconned in eternal

Unless the icon was moved from the necropolis to Urdak in between games

[solar crown]

probably, though he was straight up revived who said they had to have the old body

[feral plover]

TBF in terms of Doom 2016's visual style Luci is right.

A lot of the original depictions of Hell, being that the demons create structures devoted to torture and death and the place is filled with infernal cathedrals and shit, are lost in 2016.

All of 2016's Hell areas are primarily rocky. You're either in a wasteland filled with barren rock or you're in caves.

Argent D'Nur's is a bit more unique, I suppose?

And then with the UAC levels they do look very, very samey. A lot of 2016's middle third blends together for me.

You want a great UAC level in 2016? VEGA Core. That's the best level in the game. Its visual style is great, the constant greys and reds are switched out for a focus on cool blues and whites since we're in a cooling facility. The visuals of the final area and VEGA's "brain" are excellent as well.

This, combined with 2016's lack of new shit going on in its final act, makes 2016 sometimes feel like it's overstaying its welcome a bit.

Compare with Eternal - Eternal constantly switches up the areas. Ruined Hellified San Andreas, to high-tech ruins of an ancient civilization, to a cultist base in the Antarctic...

And even within these specific biomes, shit gets super unique still. Final Sin is super unique from all the other Earth levels for taking place at night in a less Hellified city. World Spear switches out the ruined-city vibes to have us explore Argenta wilderness and villages. And don't even get me started on the consistently unique Hell, with how different Exultia's second half is different from Nekravol, to the Blood Swamps, to Immora...

Environment design is arguably one of Eternal's strongest qualities and something 2016 doesn't hold a candle to. Every level is eye-candy, and IMO the enemies and weapons also all look much more unique and memorable.

[clever bear]

I wish Eternal had kept more of the horror elements, but the environments aren’t hurting for variety. While 2016’s variety is lacking, what’s there is very good imo. My favorite part of 2016 environments is that the level design does a good job of making sense with biomes and doing interesting things while Eternal’s environments feel a bit disconnected from the gameplay most of the time

[reef bolt]

Definitely love the brimstone hell of 2016 which is heavily inspired by doom 3. You can feel how toxic their world is

[feral plover]

I agree, but it stops being very punchy after a while.

I enjoy seeing Hell's varying biomes. Eternal does this very well. We see a 2016-esque Hell with ruined Atlans in Exultia, an infernal city in Nekravol, the Blood Swamps, and then Immora... awesome stuff.

[reef bolt]

Kind of like not being stereotypically bur more lovecraftian?

[feral plover]

Well, 2016 gives off more a vibe of Hell being this horrible eldritch dimension.

But Eternal makes Hell feel more lived-in - like this is an actual realm where living beings lead lives, albeit completely alien lives that involve tearing our faces off.

[elder folio]

Eternal's Hell landscape had a lot of flesh. Like, a lot. This gave it a more reddish looking environment.
2016, however, only had dust and sand with a lot of bones in between. Thus you just see a desert, giving it a more "realistic" look maybe?

[feral plover]

its more simplistic than realistic

Neither look realistic. 2016’s hell environments opt for a harsh rocky, desolate vibe which I like quite a lot. Borders between the natural and the supernatural with the floating structures, dead trees, monuments and raging storms in the background.

[clever bear]

2016 Hell feels very bleak. It’s less in your face and a gloom hangs over everything. That feels pretty appropriate for a place called Hell imo

[feral plover]

i mean its hell not ur bedroom

it should be a place that is more so pain and suffering

Like im not tryna give more credit to 2016 mainly cause obviously Id software didnt have that full vision and could just been a product of just a rushed idea needing to get out

[stiff glade]

I hope there's a Doom eternal vr game releasing at some point.

cause Doom 2016 had one.

[empty magnet]

One day I will beat ultra Nightmare. One day...

[reef bolt]

Absolutely

[elder viper]

Why? It would translate horribly in VR. If anything the 2016 VR game should have been warning enough to not make the next Doom game have VR support.

[stiff glade]

Oh. Rip. It was good in my opinion

[elder viper]

VR ≠ Good Game

[feral plover]

I do like the hell maps in DE but the colorful artstyle and just general tone of the game makes those maps a lot less impactful to me. Just doesn’t hit the spot.

Plenty of cool stuff though. Liked Nekravol a lot and the hell part of Exultia is pretty cool.

[clever bear]

Nekravol is excellent. Exultia Hell part feels like a washed out version of 2016’s Hell to me.

[mortal zealot]

Very Tartarus inspired right? 2016 definite felt like a nice way to call back to the Doom series, while to me Eternal was an opportunity to try something risky, but built on core gameplay loops in exciting ways.

[mortal zealot]

I would love Doom VR to atleast let us mod it to play like HL:Alyx

[clever bear]

Eternal was definitely more experimental than 2016.

[fervent dune]

Hopefully I do aswell 😅

The hardest I've done is hurt me plenty. I need to step up my game lol

[stiff glade]

Yeah! That would be cool. Another thing I would definitely like to see is if you could do custom glory kills when enemies are staggered by punching them or something.

[reef bolt]

Best thing to do is go at it in a nightmare file start un file and mirror the fights you get down in nightmare

[fervent dune]

I'll sure try👍

[hushed violet]

i kinda wish they used some of the chainsaw kills from 2016 in eternal because it just worked and looked better

[warped peak]

agreed I kinda hate how the chainsaw was made into a action instead of a weapon

I loved revving the chainsaw sm

[unborn phoenix]

Do you think the next DOOM game will be set in the slayer's past or in the future. If it is set in the future, what will he be fighting?

[warped peak]

Honestly I'm not quite sure there are a couple loose ends we could tie up like fighting for argent d'nur I loved the concept of that sm

[warped peak]

do you remember the mech in the fortress of doom that was in bad shape?

[unborn phoenix]

Yeah

[warped peak]

they should do stuff with that

[unborn phoenix]

They could

But the slayer is also locked in a coffin until people need him again so...

[warped peak]

yeah

I loved his first and final words in that

"No"

[unborn phoenix]

Yeah, maximum disrespect for the dark lord

[elder viper]

Argent D’Nur has been explored quite a bit. Would rather we get a Doom game that continues forward. We know most of the stuff from the Slayers past anyway and the stuff we don’t know is to small to make a full game around and just doesn’t need to be fleshed out

At least not in a game

[unborn phoenix]

What about the slayer's time with the sentinels? Or how he got to Argent D'Nur?

[feral plover]

The night sentinels are really boring I’m going to be honest

Don’t want to revisit the argenta they’re very mediocre

[elder viper]

We already know about Doomguy’s time with the Sentinels. It’s explored in the Codex as well as cutscenes in DOOM Eternal. As for how he got to Argent D’Nur he just showed up after fighting in Hell so pretty much it would boil down to “He teleported there”

Not to mention Doom 64 episode that was a preorder bonus for Eternal is canonically what he did after the end of 64 and before 2016

There isn’t enough stuff to make a full game on that we don’t already know about

[unborn phoenix]

Ik but it would still be fun to experience

[spark verge]

wait was there a new one? if I heard about that before I definitely forgot

[spark verge]

good timing I actually came here to say something about this, I doubt this is very likely but I would LOVE a faithful official remake of doom 1 and 2 (maybe even 64?) because Ive been getting into doom again recently and noticed how interesting the aesthetic actually is, I really love the very obviously 80s/90s scifi look, and the unique renditions of hell

[broken heath]

just here to praise eternal

[elder viper]

Yeah. I think it’s been released for free now though

[elder viper]

Naw. The re releases are fine. A remake would ruin them. The movement, level design, gameplay have all been engrained so well they can’t really be replicated perfectly on any other engine.

[woven siren]

fully faithful remakes of doom 1 and 2 would be stupid, there are like a million remakes of the og maps in modern engines and all of them look like shit, plus the levels are designed with the lack of freelook in mind

if you want to remake doom levels in modern engines, go remake one of the many wad remakes out there like kdizd

i think quite a few modern wads could definitely look good in full HD

a reimagining would be sick though

[spark verge]

yeah that’s what I’m saying

of course the existing remakes look shit because they’re not made by a huge studio

id would give it its own look

[clever bear]

I don’t think you could remake the first 2 Doom games in a way that works. If you just modernized the game’s look players will complain that it feels too old fashioned. If you change the gameplay significantly at all it wouldn’t be a remake so much as a brand new game claiming to be Doom 1

[feral plover]

I think there should be a game refresh for free

not even remake, just refresh, and yeah i know about DOOM WADS

I just like to think, what would the official creators do with the IP

[spark verge]

yeah, I do agree that it would be hard to get it right in a way that everyone would like, but id themselves would have the best chance of doing that

something I also really wanted to see was like some kinda crappy map converter that takes actual doom wads and makes them playable in eternal, replacing pickups and enemies with their eternal equivalents of course. most existing maps wouldnt play right at all but the point is that everyone could now make maps for eternal

just a shame that modern games cant handle thousands of enemies at once lol

[clever bear]

The current Id people have a significantly different design philosophy from the original Id team. I like modern Doom but I don’t think they could do such a remake justice. An HD option for ports would be fine, though there’s already a fanmade source port that kind of does that (Doomsday)

[inner knoll]

Thats a atlan created by the the sentinels. In a TAG 2 scene theres some atlans fighting with demonic titans. My best guess is the Night Sentinels took Doomguy's Atlan in the Fortress of Doom and used it to fight against the titans. So i guess they already used it

Imo if it's still there, Doomguy probably fixes the Atlan and uses it against something

Probably an Huge Titan that a demonic god spawned

[elder viper]

The Sentinels probably have tons of Atlans that they wouldn’t need Doomguy’s.

[feral plover]

Doomguy only has one atlan we see multiple during the battle

And it’s broken as well

[feral plover]

BLT’s are so good….

[elder viper]

True

[rough warren]

You guys think they will release an other DOOM game? Or maybe an eternal DLC?

[solar crown]

yes
no

[elder viper]

A new Doom game will definitely happen eventually. A new Eternal DLC will def not happen

[rough warren]

Neat
What do you think it’ll be called? DOOM Returnal? Idk that doesn’t sound good lol

[solar crown]

look in the dictionairy, pick 3 words, pick the best possible word
you have about the same chance guessing the correct word as this

[rough warren]

Alright

[reef bolt]

Maybe

[lethal aurora]

Likely another game, but I believe TAG2 was the last DLC

[reef bolt]

Yes it was. There will be another doom but it isn't known if it's this next game

[clever bear]

I’d like to see rocket jumping return in the next Doom. Doom 1 and 2 technically have it so I don’t understand why 2016 and Eternal don’t at all

[clever bear]

And I had to check but Doom 3 also has rocket jumping

[feral plover]

Did the sentinels use guns in thr past at all or just in the battle at immora?

[woven siren]

my vote goes to moom jananal as always

[dusky fossil]

hi

[rough warren]

Lol

[bitter shell]

In the next DOOM game do y'all think it's gonna reboot the series again or do you think it's just gonna continue off of DOOM Eternal?

[earnest current]

i want a doom 3 esque game

[woven siren]

latter's more likely considering we're only 2 games into the reboot timeline

3 if you count vfr and 4 if you count mighty doom

[bitter shell]

Vfr could count I suppose but I don't think Mighty Doom counts, it doesn't really fit into the reboot timeline's story at all.

[woven siren]

yeah

[bitter shell]

I haven't played VFR yet but from i've seen it seems like it takes place a bit earlier or during the events of 2016

[elder viper]

VFR isn’t canon but yeah it would technically take place a bit before 2016

It conflicts to much with 2016

[reef bolt]

True. It is a off shoot. I'm sure Hugo would say it's Canon somehow though

[elder viper]

Maybe cause Quake sort of coined the term “rocket jumping”. I feel like more people think Quake when they hear rocket jumping rather then Doom. Would still like to see it return whether in Doom or a new Quake though

[hoary kite]

somewhat moderately hot take: we should get a modok-style demon in the next doom

a sort of zombified human turned into a violent machine designed only for killing would go so hard

[feral plover]

we all would want something with the pace of doom eternal in the future
i dont believe any next doom games can be more like eternal

eternal has a lot of thought put into it

[feral plover]

i mean team fortress also capitalizes on rocket jumps

[feral plover]

prob cause the level design doesnt rlly need rocket jumps

Quake was an accidental perfection for having it allowing u to get to places u didnt normally would but its the same reason Bunny hopping isnt in Doom either

[clever bear]

IIRC modern Doom actually does have bunny hopping but it’s impractical outside of speedrunning

[feral plover]

u can with ballista but ye these features would be useless sense the level design kinda doesnt need u to make big jumps

[feral plover]

also cause they placed a movement cap over the player so u cant rlly do that stuff

If they went to the older open levels there would be a place for those

i just rlly want these movement techs back and some from quake champions that are pretty cool

the issue is arena shooters are just dead at this point

quake mp cant sustain itself without a good single player

and the mp needs to be as loyal to the old games even more than what QC does

i feel like they are so close to giving out what people want but few changes to appeal to modern audiences

[solar crown]

Wdym movement cap?

You can get extemely high speeds if you do it right

[woven siren]

theres a secret cap in the game that u can wear to gain movement

[hybrid scroll]

Wonder if they give doom slayer a weapon like the XM307 or MK19?

[clever bear]

I looked them up and they seem close enough to weapons that Doom already has that they’d be redundant. Specifically the chaingun and the combat shotgun’s secondary fire

No need for 2 heavy machine guns or 2 grenade launchers

[feral plover]

The sticky bombs only work what a quake Proximity Launcher would during like quake’s second expansion and quake 3?

Id recommend a grenade launcher that actually has bouncy physics and focuses on Richochet

[feral plover]

The Heavy Cannon already fires a 50 cal

The 2016 had 50 cal rounds in their Box mags

[hybrid scroll]

Was it based off Mk19? Cause those are Grenades being fired hmm

[clever bear]

A dedicated grenade launcher instead of a grenade secondary feels pretty unnecessary to me. Imo the modern Doom weapons already have more utility overlap than they should.

[feral plover]

could be

[feral plover]

I mean thats what grenade launchers can do. A utility

Explosives should be more than just crowd control but also area denial

when u say Utility. any gun can be if they had a function

[clever bear]

Sure, but there’s already 3 different kinds of explosive weapons in the rocket launcher, sticky bombs on the combat shotgun, and micro missiles

[solar crown]

mm barely count

[feral plover]

the micro missiles are tracking explosive rounds and the Rocket launcher is a huge rocket.

Sticky dets are just good crowd control for cannon fodder or Cacos or demon cannons/turrets they all have uses

its a Gun that shoots. No big surprise here.

if its just a gun that literally is the same exact role then yeah thats sandbox redundancy

[clever bear]

If there must be a true grenade weapon (feels too similar to rockets imo) then it should be a rocket launcher mod rather than its own gun. It’s generally better to have a handful of very distinct and useful weapons than a bunch of weapons that overlap in purpose

[feral plover]

i mean have u played a game with a grenade launcher

[solar crown]

yeah, every played eternal?

[feral plover]

Yea ever played Furry feet

[clever bear]

I’ve played Dusk, Viscerafest, and a little bit of Quake 1.

[feral plover]

its not a gun that goes boom. Its how a grenade launcher goes boom is what matters

[clever bear]

Grenades are different from rockets, but not enough so to justify taking up a weapon slot. It would make for a much more interesting rocket launcher mod than lock on rockets though

[feral plover]

i mean what weapon would u propose

Cause yk u cant just ask for doom guy to have a Harry Potter wand and start firing spells

[clever bear]

There’s already plenty of weapons. More isn’t necessarily better, and I worry about feature creep

[feral plover]

and i think even somethin like the Lightning gun back in doom but more depth is a cool idea

or even Napalm launcher or Dark Matter cannon from doom 4

[feral plover]

there kinda already is with the amount of stuff that can do the same job kinda. Only difference is players can make their own playstyles ig

weapon upgrades just lead to a lot of fun that imo was best for Doom and modern boomer shooters

Why i like Warhammer Boltgun but not so much cause it lacks more than what other shooters can give

weapon upgrades break the redundancy roll so now in reality it feels like i got 16 weapons in my Arsenal without removing all 8 of em

[clever bear]

I think it would make more sense to replace some of the less dynamic mods with new ones. Stuff like grenades for the rocket launcher or incendiary rounds for the combat shotgun or a lightning gun mode for the railgun

[feral plover]

well yeah def. But some may stay just cause its either fans fav

weapons like the chaingun obv need a overhaul. Maybe the shield is actually used for bashing purposely

[solar crown]

i mean the "fans favs" are usually actually interesting

though i could see like, one of the three automatic guns being replaced by something else or removed entirely

[feral plover]

chaingun i feel has to stay just cause of iconicness

theres not rlly any real reason to replace with an entirely new gun unless Id wants to make some Demon-like gun.

The only real “exotic” new weapon that earned its own slot is the ballista taking inspiration as a Quake Railgun **AND HEAVY CANNON **

every mod is either unique or based on a quake weapon i can call out

Like quake 3 had a grapple if i remember could be wrong

[clever bear]

What about a melee weapon? You’d need to design it carefully but that could be neat

[feral plover]

i mean the issue with melee weapons in general is having the player be up close and they are either crowded or it one shots to make fights quick. And also needs melee combat of its own. Like can u parry enemies with it or smthn? who knows

yeah chainsaw is great id wanna have it its own weapon but putting myself in the open to slice a dude prob gets me vulnerable

[solar crown]

that;s the type of gameplay you would want anyways

[feral plover]

yea if i wanted to play a melee focused game*

[solar crown]

no to be close up

[feral plover]

even then u give doom guy a full on melee weapon with its own capabilities id imagine something like Overwatch Reinhardt or smthn

[clever bear]

What if you swung the chainsaw like a blade that has infinite usage and drops a small amount of ammo on hit but you don’t get invulnerability and it does a fixed amount of damage? That way the cost you pay to use it is the heightened risk of getting hit for some ammo back.

[feral plover]

a block mechanic, range attacks, light attacks. even then how does that flow with a fast paced shooter

[solar crown]

by not having all of that, it wouldnt be like taht

[feral plover]

i mean i cant name much games that doesnt have a decent melee weapon that isnt a one shot power weapon m

[clever bear]

I’d figure any good melee weapon would be designed for picking off isolated fodder rather than for using on the big boys

[feral plover]

and if the melee weapon just has range attacks. its practically a gun

[feral plover]

like the reason the crucible even acts the way it is cause its a sword. what else is it supposed to do

u make it nerfed and take like 4 hits. Im bored and ill use a diff weapon

[clever bear]

It shouldn’t be viable against heavy or super heavy demons, but useful to quick kill a fodder demon

[feral plover]

kinda what a shotgun does

issue is ur making me only use it on cannon fodder that already die easily to guns. idk why id wanna risk myself being in their face when id wanna make myself feel a baddass and chainsaw down a mancubus

[solar crown]

maybe have it be swings, and you can damage multiple enemies like dblade

[feral plover]

thats what id imagine

[clever bear]

Or it could be how you get ammo instead of having a really safe nearly full ammo refill with no risk and only a cooldown

[feral plover]

like ye id agree with Luci that infinite ammo is kinda needed in doom sense recource management isnt an issue anymore

And if the chainsaw didnt give ammo. it find a place as a weapon

[solar crown]

it has to be infinite ammo by skill though, not just by spamming a button with no thought

[feral plover]

like im fine with demons giving me health and shields. i like sustaining myself in fights

it makes a good flow instead of breaking it

[solar crown]

if there is no ammo at all you have the chance you quickly fall into the pitfall of having no reason not to just spam 1 weapon, especially not for newbies

[feral plover]

i do like the idea of (x) demon gives (x) ammo just cause it means the player has to actively see what a certain demon brings if killed

Chaingun and shotgun zombies in classic doom are my savior when i need the extra ammo

Ive had countless of times its saved me just for searching what i need

[solar crown]

eh but then you have just enemies dropping ammo directly with still, not really that much input

i'd rather have an action(s) give ammo instead

[feral plover]

its not much input but it means a certain weapon wont be as sustained as the other.

i do think getting all your ammo in one place is a cheat either way

[clever bear]

In general I think ammo should be restricted enough to actually be a tactical consideration beyond when to stop for a chainsaw drop but not so limited as to screw over players thinking about it

[solar crown]

problem with that is that you can't balance it for both sides of the skill spectrum

[feral plover]

like yea im fine chainsaw does what it does just cause i get why they needed to

they cared abt the game’s flow not resource management making eternal. some management was thought of but they wanted the player to keep fighting

[solar crown]

i'd rather have things like hitting a weakpoint with PB gives ammo, charging an enemy up with microwavebeam makes it drop ammo, etc etc

[feral plover]

Like id love an idea where i shove a chainsaw into an enemy and he sprouts ammo but the chainsaw is stuck inside him and i have to wait till he gives ALL the idk plasma ammo i need out of him and come back the body and kill it later

it be gloriously fun to look at

[clever bear]

You can set lower difficulty levels to yield more ammo. My bigger point is that it needs to act as a way to punish spamming, but not so much just kill the player as hard force them to switch weapons for a bit

[solar crown]

if it's only to punish spamming an "overheat" mechanic would fit more

[clever bear]

Idk the fact that some weapons affect the access to other weapons is a really interesting wrinkle

[delicate root]

add bread

[reef bolt]

Yes

[mint plinth]

in a few days we might find out what Id has been working on. Most people seem to think its Quake, i hope another Doom but we shall see. New Doom game when?

[glad egret]

I hope it isn't Doom or Quake. I hope it's something new entirely.

[reef bolt]

Yes a new project hopefully like rage

[mint plinth]

blasphemy

[elder viper]

It’s possible but from the stuff we know I’m betting on Quake. It’s about time it gets a reboot as well

Since most of id Softwares most well known IPs have gotten reboots

[glad egret]

I mean I wouldn't be opposed to a whole new Quake but I really would like to see something new

[elder viper]

Tomorrow is the Summer Games Fest so we might see something there

[mint plinth]

new stuff comes with risks, better off having another developer to that honestly.

[elder viper]

Seeing how RAGE did I’m little iffy on a new IP but I would be up to try something new if it doesn’t turn out to be Doom or Quake

[mint plinth]

Heretic or Hexen would nbe nice

[glad egret]

I unironically love Rage

[glad egret]

Pretty sure those are both owned by Activision

[elder viper]

Which is now owned by Microsoft who also owns Bethesda who owns id Software so it’s a possibility (unlikely though)

[glad egret]

Not quite yet. That merger is still not fully done.

[spiral moon]

soon

one day

[glad egret]

Depends on who else decides to block it

[spiral moon]

i’m still waiting for a new chex quest

[mint plinth]

the merge will happen soon enough

nothing will stop it, not even tea drinking brits

[spiral moon]

chex quest was unironically kinda good tbh

[elder viper]

RAGE 2 is actually pretty good and has a lot of fun ideas and mechanics. It just had the unfortunate time of being released/ showed off at around the same time as DOOM Eternal which for some reason now the RAGE series gets a bad rap

[glad egret]

Yeah that is unfortunate.

I think both of them are pretty good games

But I'm also a sucker for post-apocalyptic settings.

[elder viper]

Same

Been getting back into Fallout recently (specifically New Vegas)

[glad egret]

My second-favorite one of the series, and a very close second.

[random marsh]

I want a Halo x Doom game

[feral lake]

I don't

[feral plover]

Crash from quake 3 arena cannon for the new doom game?

[feral plover]

i wish

[coral thistle]

New doom game?

[coral thistle]

Whats your first favorite

[signal bane]

Did anyone ever notice maxim from fallout is in doom?

Fallout in doom canon?!?!

[coral thistle]

You mean elder maxson?

[reef bolt]

There's 2 company's with simular names that's about it

[glad egret]

2

[glad egret]

that's Mixom, not the same as the Maxson family who have led various Brotherhood of Steel chapters from time to time

[signal bane]

I just need glasses oops

[coral thistle]

Understandable

[coral thistle]

Dont forget about moxim, they were rivals of mixom

[glad egret]

lol I have no idea what either one of those corporations even did, I just remember seeing the logo on some of the buildings and I think there was a brief news story at the beginning of Doom 3

[coral thistle]

Most of the technology on mars in doom 3 and 2016 were made by mixom because of the uac

I think thats how it is

[glad egret]

gotcha

[coral thistle]

I dont exactly remember what moxim did other than they were rivals of moxim in doom 3

[mint plinth]

they make outerspace widgets

[coral thistle]

Ok

[open viper]

I kind of want NanoStruct to appear in the future (the company Olivia founded)

[elder viper]

Would be perfect considering the UAC under heavy fire now since all there cult worshipping has been exposed to the public

[feral plover]

A doom 1 and 2 Remaster like Quake treatment would be nice ngl

[woven siren]

true

like the sprite fixing wad

maaaaaaybe smooth doom

[clever falcon]

fr

[feral lake]

I never checked, I'm assuming the unity port fixed the monster closets on halls of the damned

like every other non vanilla Doom source port does

[sterile halo]

In doom 2016 (which everyone probably know now) one door has VAULT-TEC written on it. So yes I think it is cannon

[reef bolt]

That's just an Easter egg

Lots of those in 2016. Not like commander keen was walking around hell before being murdered

[feral plover]

headcannon wise i like that. Overall canon i doubt it

Eastereggs are just fun little things

[sterile halo]

True

[signal bane]

I almost forgot about that thx for reminding me

Dope fish Easter egg and soul cube from doom 3, as well as what I thought was the mother demon from doom 64 were cool Easter eggs

[feral plover]

Somehow the demons in doom didn't give me jumpscare yet I got jumpscared by a dumb looking fish

[signal bane]

Bro got jump scared by dopefish lmfao

[mint plinth]

welp got nothing. not really surprised, i gues next year

[reef bolt]

Quakecon is in August

[mint plinth]

yah but i never expect new games to be announced at quakecon. HOpe i am wrong but if there was going ot be a new ID game trailer, it would of happened at the Xbox thing

i have heard people say "wait for quakecon" for the last 12 years, the new game has always been E3 or the bethesda show. QC seems more about giving updates and some more gameplay and features

[elder viper]

We still got The Game Awards. They reveal some games there.

[mint plinth]

maybe, im still trying to figure out why the guy had a Hexen shirt on

Just a fan? A tease for someting? or a Cruel joke?

[elder viper]

If Hexen came back that would certainly be one hell of a surprise

[glad egret]

Apparently in a subsequent interview he said it wasn't teasing a reboot, but I imagine if there was something unannounced in the works he wouldn't be able to talk about it anyway.

[mint plinth]

i doubt they are working on a game where the license is still in limbo.

[slender arch]

So do you mates think that we will see a 30th Anniversary Collection release this year with a potential Map Maker for fans to make exciting new maps and what not in the same similarity as what the Big N did for their flagship mascot, or would that be asking too much??

[elder viper]

Like Mario Maker but for Doom? Think that’s asking too much considering there are already level editors out there

And I feel like if an official one releases it wouldn’t be as versatile as say Ultimate Doom Builder

And even if they did make it super versatile it would just end up as a payed version of already free software

[slender arch]

noted, Noodle_Man

[nimble loom]

Didn't doom 2016 have a map maker though

[mint plinth]

a map maker for the new doom game would be a huge project. I wish for it but i doubt it

Snap Map 2.0 would be nice, but it needs to break away from being restricted by consoles.

If Id wants to hire me as a creative dev for it, ill form up a studio up here in oregon

ill even be a exe producer if needed

[elder viper]

Yeah but I think the original comment I responded to was thinking something on a larger scale then SnapMap

[mint plinth]

Would need to be something easy to use, even the DOom 3 level editor is beyond 99% of UDB's level of expertise.

But it might work in combonation of snapmap .

Pro mappers can build moduels and scrubs like myself can use them in snapmap 2.0

True map building would only be done on a powerful PC however, so that would be a nother barrier for average user.

[spark verge]

still it’d be awesome

better than nothing

because currently I have no real reason to replay eternal regularly

[true flame]

I dunno but something tells me that you'll play as a guy killing demons

[dull bane]

i bet for the next game were gonna kill demons!1!1!1!1!

[finite shale]

Yall think Bethesda and Id might make it up for mick next game? It'd certainly be sad for him to go

[unreal dragon]

I think the next game is gonna have Doom in the title, I might be wrong though

[elder viper]

Doubt it. If Mick is ever going to come back it won’t be any time soon.

[shadow isle]

E guy

[true flame]

theres gonna be this Doom Guy, who kills demons, and is really cool

[elder viper]

Would screw up the way encounters would work.

[errant musk]

DOOM 3: 2

[feral plover]

Doom marine from doom 3 vs doomslayer?

[elder viper]

Slayer wins

[feral plover]

Is too obvious

[dull bane]

i still await for the revival of daisy.

[glad egret]

daisy gonna be the final boss of the next one. just a big ol' demon bunny

[dull bane]

doomguy might hesitate killing daisy

unless he figures out a demon controlling her, kill the demon, new big ol daisy

[glad egret]

that's like hesitating killing a zombie who was your best friend. they aren't the same person anymore, so fuck em. they die.

[dull bane]

oh man thats gonna be painful for me

[glad egret]

i think it could be interesting if they went that route

[elder viper]

Bringing Daisy back? Naw they shouldn’t do that

[hybrid barn]

Didn’t they already in doom eternal?

[woven basalt]

wait ohh yeah a new campain where doom guy gets out of his tomb later on the campain

[tight mortar]

What about a DOOM game where you make your own Slayer, as in design your own suit or give weapons unlockable mods

[woven basalt]

conor you do have a point

[dull bane]

multiplayer 2016 but lore

[tight mortar]

Wait they actually put that in 2016?

[dull bane]

uh no
im just saying multiplayer 2016 but with lore
forgot to add but with 😭

[tight mortar]

Damn it

[solar crown]

even more weapon mods then eternal/2016 has sounds hell to balance

[tight mortar]

I mean you can pick 2 at a time to switch during game

[solar crown]

ok, that doesnt change the actual strength of the weaponmods itself

[tight mortar]

What about custom Crucible Swords?

[solar crown]

what about it

[tight mortar]

As in as an idea

[solar crown]

depends

purely cosmetical? functional? extremely minor changes?

[tight mortar]

All 3

[solar crown]

it cna't be more vague then this

[tight mortar]

Also the ability to change colours

[woven siren]

mfw

[solar crown]

at what point is this just garrys mod and not doom

[tight mortar]

Ok what about a Doom game where it's the backstory of the main antagonist

[elder viper]

There is no real main antagonist. What are you asking for Doom The Pre-Sequel?

[tight mortar]

In my defense, I didn't grow up with Doom I had stuff like Mario or Undertale

[elder viper]

I mean I kinda did as well

[woven siren]

you don't even need to grow up with doom

literally 6 minutes of browsing the series' wikipedia pages will show you that the games aren't that consistent lorewise and there's no "main antagonist"

none of the antagonists deserve a whole-ass game either

[tight mortar]

What about the Icon of Sin?

[woven siren]

😂

[tight mortar]

Or Khan Makyr?

[woven siren]

😂😂😂

a game about the fucking khan maykr

[copper horizon]

The closest to main antagonists the series has gone with is the final boss of each game.

[elder viper]

Would be pretty boring. We already know as much as we need about the Icon

Not like it has some deep character behind it. It’s literally just a giant Titan monster

I don’t think we need an entire $70 game dedicated to the backstory of a character we’ve already seen.

[dull bane]

what

[knotty flicker]

[tight mortar]

Ok what about Olivia Pierce

[dull bane]

wasnt she already a villian

[woven siren]

stop trying

[tight mortar]

As in her backstory

[dull bane]

isnt there the codex for smth like that

[woven siren]

what else do we need from olivia pierce

[woven siren]

we already have everything we need to know about olivia pierce

please just stop trying

[dull bane]

what about a game about dave that seems cool /j

[woven siren]

LMFAO

dave and the 5 warns

[dull bane]

dave the zombie that played toys on doomslayer ship

[woven siren]

oh, that dave

thought the dave who got banned from the server for shitposting in #screenshots despite multiple warnings

[dull bane]

nah not that dave

[dusky fossil]

https://youtu.be/UolIUtNBsGU

[woven basalt]

hey i got good idea

they should add game modes instead of battle mode

and rename it to multiplayer

[elder viper]

Bring back SnapMap and deathmatch and everything will be fine

[woven basalt]

Uhh no

Or maybe

[elder viper]

If not SnapMap official mod support

[mint plinth]

Quake 2 Remastered pretty much confirmed, probably will be dropping at quakecon 2023

[glad egret]

I was pretty sure QC was BYOC only this year with no panels scheduled, but this changes things. We might see some stuff after all.

[mint plinth]

hopefully a new Doom, Quake, Wolfenstein, Hexen and Rage game all on the same day.

[glad egret]

Hexen won't happen. At least not until/if the merger is allowed to go through, but so far it's been blocked by just about everyone.

[elder viper]

Thats some insane wishful thinking

If we got anything news on Wolfenstein 3 or Quake is more likely then a new Doom, or Rage game let alone Hexen

[covert musk]

That's me!

[glad egret]

a new Wolfenstein would be sweet.

[elder viper]

MachineGames has been working on one for a while

[glad egret]

has that been announced?

[feral lake]

a new hexen game would be interesting

but it'd probably be very different from the original

considering how different nudoom is

[elder viper]

I’m not sure. But considering New Colossus ends on a cliffhanger

It’s only logical. Unless they wanna pull a Quake 4 and just never finish the story

[woven basalt]

What’s nudoom

🖕🖕

[woven siren]

new doom

like nu-metal except it's good

[woven basalt]

Wh- ohhh I know what you’re saying

[hoary kite]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/881999769680085025/1122395038886936616/IMG_6781.png

[glad egret]

is that real or some fan-made shit

[elder viper]

In Youngblood Im pretty its eluded to the fact that the Nazis are aware of alternate universes right? Theres a scene where BJ kinda mentions the DOOM 2016 Mars I'm pretty sure.

[hoary kite]

they know but i dont think bj mentions 2016 mars

[next oxide]

With the next Wolfenstein being a “Wolfenstein III” or “Wolfenstein 3”, it better include nods to Wolfenstein 3D in some way.

Maybe we could fight with the Mecha “Bad Mustache Guy”

[woven siren]

you can't say hitler?

ah, thought it was on the word banlist

[glad egret]

you can say it, but why would anyone want to

[glad egret]

I mean, he dies in New Colossus but maybe they find a way to keep him alive in a mech suit.

[hoary kite]

he doesnt die in tnc

he dies anytime before youngblood

[dull bane]

add the chaingun from 3d

[feral lake]

Hitler in TNC was so weak tho

Senile old man too far gone to be of any use to the nazis

Can't imagine fighting him in a mecha suit in Wolf 3

[next oxide]

There could be something powering him.

[jade sparrow]

the demonic crucible

[distant obsidian]

Spent some time playing the rerelease of doom and doom II, I think I’ve got a good idea of what improvements Bethesda should make

• Add the game to the Mac App Store

• improve DeHackEd support

• make it easier for fans to add their own maps themselves

• add a voting system for official addons

• make a collection of single map addons, there’s some great single maps like Doomcity, UAC_Dead, Bury My Heart Knee Deep, and John Romero’s E1M4B, E1M8B, and One Humanity

• fix the mouse movement problems at higher refresh rates and allow for higher sensitivities/more configuration

• add online deathmatch servers and community DM maps like GothicDM and DWANGO5

• re-release console exclusive maps like Redemtion Denied

Not sure any of that’s getting implemented but it’d all be really nice. The mouse improvement is the biggest thing.

[elder viper]

I think they should keep the add ons vanilla only. But a voting system is a cool idea

[distant obsidian]

Oh for sure, maybe even give people some basic level editing tools like the ROTT remaster is getting

[feral plover]

Question did doom slayer actually loose his powers

Because it would be hard imo to continue the series

[elder viper]

He did lose his powers. Though think back to how he was before 2016. Even before he gained powers canonically Hell still had a lot of trouble killing him.

And besides it’s the Praetor Suit that does a lot of the heavy lifting anyway so even without powers he’s still plenty strong

[feral plover]

Ok

[hoary kite]

even if doomguy lost his powers, he would be unstoppable; look at what he did in doom 1 and 2. he had no powers, yet absolutely destroyed the demons

[dull bane]

(if we dont count the powerups like berserk)

[queen nova]

lol I don't go crazy about lore, I just like killing demons

but so far I don't think another game will come out explaining any of this

[elder viper]

The stuff that hasn’t been explained is also so minor yet people want a whole game dedicated to it. That or it’s just been introduced.

[distant obsidian]

Another thought: since people are doing speedruns with this port, what’s the demo recording support like?

[solar crown]

In gameplay he barely has any powers in eternal too

[jade sparrow]

i bet the beserk kit in the og dooms was just steroids

[woven siren]

i think it was like batman venom

or technically bane venom since it's bane who uses it

[loud prawn]

Ending of episode 1: live reaction gif here

[feral plover]

If new doom or new Quake or new anything from ID isn't revealed at this year's Quakecon. It's all joever

It sucks to be a fan of any ID software fps game series

Atm

[elder viper]

Cause most of them are a couple decades old. I feel like they are might get some news on that secret game they’ve been working on. But it might be a super super short trailer like with DOOM Eternal

[feral plover]

Well. Could be worse ig. I'm still holding on hope

[mint plinth]

i dont think they will reveal anything. If they were to reveal it would of been a bigger venue/stream like the Xbox thing. Sadly nothing till next year.

[feral plover]

Damn....

Hopium copium

[elder viper]

I mean we still have The Game Awards

[woven siren]

he spits out grenades instead of eating them

[sour granite]

At the end of doom 2 doomguy gets lost or abducted or something but in doom eternal it says where he went in the Taras nabad mission then he gets powered up in one of the cutscenes.

[solar crown]

end of doom64 he got stuck in hell and then got randomly teleported to sentinel prime

[sour granite]

Yeah same thing just got the games mixed up

[mint plinth]

better chance there than QC, but you never know. Being that its the first QC in 4? years

[feral plover]

Quack Con

[tight mortar]

What about a game but it's like a day in the life of a UAC employee, like the game Aperature Desk Job

[woven siren]

could be funny

[feral plover]

If ID doesn't reveal anything new at QuakeCon. I'm going to cut my left ear off

[feral plover]

Even better. Making the caco playable in singleplayee

[tight mortar]

What ever you say Picasso

[woven siren]

that was van gogh

[next oxide]

Be careful with what you say…

[stuck hemlock]

In the future they need to make a vr doom

[earnest current]

they did

[stuck hemlock]

I didn’t know that

[glad egret]

yeah Doom 2016 got a VR version

called Doom VFR

[stuck hemlock]

I guess I will be looking for it

For quest?

[glad egret]

it's on Steam. I don't do VR so I don't know which ones it supports.

[stuck hemlock]

Oh ok

[elder viper]

If you hook up your Quest to a PC probably would work

[stuck hemlock]

Ok

[feral lake]

if we ever get another hexen game it better be a bunch of switch and key hunting with no guidance to the player

[feral plover]

3 years since eternal came out. 2 years since tag 2 came out. As of late. Nothing

What is happening?

[elder viper]

Game development. Shit takes time man

[feral plover]

Ik but. It wouldn't hurt for them to reveal a tease or something

Unless they're really planning on a full on indepth grand reveal

[elder viper]

There hasn't been a teaser yet there either waiting for the right time or have nothing to reveal

[feral plover]

This game better be the game of all time. It better be the source to cure cancer, solve world hunger, and create less suicide death rates

[elder viper]

It probably wont do any of those things but at least it will probably be fun 🙂

[feral plover]

I have a feeling we won't be ready for what ID is working on

This game might be the second coming of Jesus christ himself

[elder viper]

They where talking about stepping up the combat. How there gonna make something that is a further refinement and a step up from DOOM Eternals combat loop is beyond me

Really hoping its a new Quake game. Doom would be cool too but Quake NEEDS a reboot

[feral plover]

ID software are next level geniuses. This game is going to once again. Revolutionize the fps genre

Whether it be Quake, Doom, or Hexen. This game is truly going to be something else entirely

[elder viper]

Eh. All what really happened was they revived the "boomer" shooter. They stopped pushing game tech forward a bunch after like Doom 3. Either way I trust they'll make a refined product.

[feral plover]

People say that GTA 6 will break the internet. This game is literally going to cause a whole earth quake once it drops

In Hugo we trust

Istg if I die before the game releases. Ima be pissed an tell God to revive my dead corpse

[elder viper]

It won't break the internet. If it is a Quake reboot it would be big but I doubt id Software will EVER release a game that was as big of a deal as say DOOM 2016 or even Classic Doom.

[feral plover]

Tbf. Recent controversy is really holding things back from this truly being hyped up.

[elder viper]

controversy? what controversy?

[woven siren]

???

[quaint sable]

About Mick gordon

[solid ruin]

Hear me out

Doom Rpg reboot

[whole flicker]

Midnight: asks for a remake of the original classic Doom games

Twitter: So you've chosen death.

[woven siren]

not just twitter, doom community in general honestly

[fiery loom]

sorry if this is the wrong channel to ask but are there any thoughts or possibilities on if Id's next game could be a new quake?

[vale latch]

That would be extremely interesting

[feral plover]

Poor midnight. Gets insanely ridiculed by the doom community no matter what

Bro needs a better fanbase

[solar crown]

i will always shit on him for his garbage lore videos

[feral plover]

I feel like midnights biggest haters are also his biggest fans

[elder viper]

A remake of the classic games would be trash

[feral plover]

The next Doom game better be the halo 3 of doom games

If doom eternal was the halo 2 of doom games. Than the next doom should follow suit

[mint plinth]

I just want mods and user content to be a big part of it

invasions would be cool too but i doubt that will ever come

[mint plinth]

Greatly depends on how they are remade. You are only right that we probably do not need the same "Hell on Mars/Moons invasions with a lone marine" story told again

but then again, every mario and zelda has the same story

[west geyser]

Happy

[feral plover]

If the next doom game or ID game sucks. I will probably cey

[woven siren]

a remake of the classic games simply wouldn't offer much

if it's the same gameplay with new modernized levels and graphics, you basically just did what lots of gzdoom wads already do but with cutscenes

[obtuse rune]

new hexen or quake or doom

[elder viper]

I’m hoping new Quake. It would be kinda weird if we got a new Hexen since id Software never owned the Hexen IP.

[mint plinth]

i wont be hexen, they woudlnt spend millions developing a game they do not 100% have the rights too

unless MS thinks they are that confident in buying activision

[solid ruin]

It would be fun if the next game took more clues from the ambiance from 64 or psx

[vestal spire]

if they make a doom in VR, full control. I would love it bro

Instead of teleporting you walk around

And when you preform glory kills you can make your own

That would be badass ngl

[feral plover]

"Story in a game is like...."

[feral plover]

What is known about the next doom game? I’m tired of beating eternal over and over. No offence to the developers lol

[mint plinth]

we know id is working on something, sci fi fantasy is the setting

so either Doom or Quake

[elder viper]

All we know is id Software is making a new game we don't know if its a Doom game or not

[feral plover]

Bro ID software can't possibly fail on their next project. They literally made doom eternal

[woven siren]

and doom 1, 2, 3, and 2016

[bitter mango]

what if there would be a doom game but you play as a demon through the story

[feral lake]

I'd tell you it sounds like a pretty short game

(cause doomguy'd kill you)

[short mantle]

You dont know the setting do you?

[woven siren]

empathy mod, hearts of demons mod series

pretty damn fun

[mint plinth]

That is just based on previous job hiring descriptions. I guess they could be lying or misdirecting

there was also a line about being familiar with "doom eternal" style combat design.

All of which is gone now

[queen nova]

Lol I might as well get into the animating buisness

So many animation are possible with the doom franchise

[feral plover]

In ID we trust. Hopefully whatever they're cooking, it'll be amazing

Ik Hugo Martin is very passionate about the games he makes.

And although Mick Gordon ain't coming back this time around
The New composers are well worthy in their spot of continuing the doom legacy. They're the perfect fit

All the stars seem like they are aligning. This game could potentially be huge

I sometimes can barely contain my excitement

Project B241 Hype!!

[earnest current]

the best way to go imo is to realize the original concept for quake that's shown at the end of one of the commander keen games

[elder viper]

A lot of that got turned into Daikatana

[elder viper]

EXACTLY! Hulshult and Levy are the PERFECT people to make the ost. If there had to be another person I would say GeoffPlaysGuitar. His work on the Atomic Heart ost is some really good.

[feral plover]

As I said before. The stars seem to be aligning. I think we could potentially end up with another masterpiece if development of this unannounced game goes smooth. In Hugo we trust 🙏

They made eternal. There's no way this game is ģoing to be a disaster

[elder viper]

I always believe a company can fail even if they have made masterpieces in the past.

Arkane made Dishonored (Look at any game they made after that)
Gearbox made Borderlands 2 (Look at the disaster of a story (Something BL2 is often remembered for) that Borderlands 3 has)
Raven made cool Doom engine games (And now are in Call of Duty purgatory)

[feral plover]

True. But I feel as though this might be different. This may be the last masterpiece ID ever makes. The last product they make that they truly cared about. There run with doom 2016 to eternal was insane. And, if they could keep this streak going. This could be huge.

And honestly. I wouldn't mind if they start making good to mid games after

[potent hornet]

literally dreamworks
shrek? shark tale
kung fu panda? monsters vs aliens
how to train your dragon? the boss baby

[elder viper]

Will Smith fish is forever engrained in my memory

[woven siren]

shark tale gba

[feral plover]

Disney buys out bethesda and all of zenimax. Doom will now go full woke mode.

And a live action remake of the 2005 doom film will be made. And Chris Brown will play as doomguy

The Movie will be rated PG 13. And will feature alot MCU level humor.

[proper yarrow]

bro if that happened I would strait up un-dig Disney's grave and throgh it int the ocean

[feral plover]

Honestly. Seeing how this world is going. I wouldn't be surprised if this becomes a reality 20 years down the line

Maybe even sooner

[hot chasm]

Given we already got stuff as mobile Doom, nothing would honestly exactly surprise me anymore

[proper yarrow]

guess so but having a pg doom just isn't right

[solid ruin]

woke?
what?

[solid ruin]

We need another doom rpg game i dont care what we think

[feral plover]

Mighty Doom. A Disney Pixar short film. Coming soon to vhs and dvd

[proper yarrow]

doom adventures: doom rpg rated E10+ for fictional violence

[dusk wolf]

We can’t let that happen, woke marvel already ruined the punisher

[proper yarrow]

so we won't and if it does anyway we raid them doom style

[dusk wolf]

In one of the newer punisher comics, they made it to where he only uses swords, replaced his iconic skull logo, they made it to where his wife is back from the dead, told him she was gonna leave him, and then kills him, basically ruining the punishers journey to avenge his wife, and I have a strong feeling that their gonna add the wife in that comic into the MCU as a female punisher I swear I know they’re gonna do it

[feral plover]

Ngl. The only E10+ rated doom game I would be fine with if it was a lego game

Something like lego star wars the video game

[proper yarrow]

true

[feral plover]

Well. Don't be surprised if shit hits the fan

[dusk wolf]

Remember that “girl power” scene in endgame? That shit felt so forced

[feral plover]

Honestly never watched endgame. Heard it wad good.

[dusk wolf]

It was good but during the final battle there was a heavily forced girl power scene

[proper yarrow]

god damn true but just wait until fat Thor to come back

[dusk wolf]

Fat Thor is more accurate to Norse mythology Thor

But if fat Thor comes back then his whole self improvement journey in love and thunder would’ve been all for nothing

[proper yarrow]

true but it would be good to see him again with barrels of beer in the background

[deep pollen]

heres the definition of woke for ya

"anything the person who uses this word does not like"

[solid ruin]

Yeah i mean i knew where it was going but i dont see how doom could be woke

[queen nova]

disney has a way of tainting things for the worse, they would find a way

[deep pollen]

i would say they make some things mid but not BAD

i mean percy jackson series goes strong from what i see

my hot take is i love the casting

but disney wouldnt be interested in doom

it doesnt benefit them to buy a game company when they already hold several

[queen nova]

I dislike disney now, mostly beacuse they keep making things woke and making bad movies now

[deep pollen]

you dislike disney because they do what every company does

which is promote themselves at the center of political issues

[queen nova]

Pretty much

[deep pollen]

woke isnt a bad thing, ignoring its definition is

[queen nova]

Nowadays most buisnesses promote the woke stuff

I'm not going any further in, I would prefer to not get banned

[deep pollen]

dms then? im kinda interested to see where u take this

you seem civilised enough

[queen nova]

yeah sure

[woven siren]

fuck love and thunder fuck love and thunder fuck love and thunder

the gorr arc was a MASTERPIECE in the comics and it got fucked over so hard

[solar crown]

As if doom really has much story you can put into film

A doom series would at best be a weak story with just lots of cool action scenes in it

Otherwise it would just be doom-flavoured

[atomic compass]

Lets just hope the alleged doom show that will be published by Peacock will not end up like the movie with the rock at least

[woven siren]

imagine a hardcore henry styled doom movie

[solar crown]

i dont think doom would really work in live action

[feral lake]

yeah a Doom movie basically just needs to be an action setpiece compilation

[woven schooner]

A doom movie needs to be sorta like John Wick mixed with Aliens

John Wick and the Doom Slayer are really similar characters in the sense that they’re both experts in their field that terrify their opponents. Then they get sent through the ringer and lose a pet, thus making them bloodthirsty and vengeful.

Now take that concept, put that on mars with demons and inject some of those doom…isms

Or you could even make the doom slayer and the betrayer from eternal the same character, adding to his motivations

There is potential for a doom movie/tv show to be successful and still be faithful to the source material

The fact that the games don’t have the most compelling narrative isn’t an excuse for this, nor any video game adaptation

If the angry birds movie 2 can be good despite being based off a very simplistic premise, then doom can certainly have a decent adaptation

[woven siren]

also similar in that people watch/play for the action and not the plot

[heavy bridge]

About this , is there any game planned after eternal ?

[solar crown]

No ID decided to become a spa company and just relax whilst microsoft gives them free money

[atomic compass]

I can't really say but I hope to god so

one of my friends said the name should be "DOOM 666" considering DOOM 4 became DOOM 2016 which makes DOOM Eternal technically DOOM 5

but he also says this year at Quakecon in august there might be a new Quake game or something related to it of some sort, but yeah

who knows really

[feral plover]

My uncles friend says that new Quake will be revealed at Quakcon 2023. And it's a sequel to Quake champions

It's also going to be free to play

[elder viper]

A sequel to Quake Champions sounds redundant as hell like Overwatch 2

[atomic compass]

true

imagine Quake 5 and it's the true sequel to Quake 1 lmao

but that wouldn't happen let's be real

Not even Quake 3 is a sequel to Quake 1, yet Quake 4 is a sequel to 2

Quake 5 will not happen at all

I know Machinegames did say they wanted to reboot it, but who wants that? We want id to reboot it

[feral plover]

Honestly I wouldn't mind if it became a reality. Atleast ID isn't making just mobile games anymore

[elder viper]

They’ve made only 3 stand alone mobile games. And it would still be dumb to make Quake Champions 2 considering Quake Champions JUST came out of Early Access

Just make a Quake 1 reboot fr

[woven schooner]

part of me kinda hopes that a new doom game doesn't happen for a while

primarily cause of the fear that the soundtrack wont sound nearly as good, but also because idk how they'll continue the story beyond eternal's dlc

[feral plover]

Man do I have some bad news for you

[woven schooner]

...well?

what is it?

[feral plover]

Idk. I got nothing lol

[heavy bridge]

Bruh

[valid forge]

what doom slayer armor/skin/style/demon/era should I draw! 🙂

example for era: like doom (1998) doom (2016)

you could also mix them so you could have me draw Phobos armor slayer in the style of mighty doom and stuff

[woven schooner]

2016🥺

[dull bane]

mighty doom is the one of the worst doom but the best mobile game i played
that means its good

[heavy bridge]

It runs on internet only

I definitely hate online requirement for a sp game

[low dagger]

Is there going to be a future game coming out

[woven siren]

we need more doom fans to come out before the game does

[elder viper]

Very likely. Don’t expect it anytime soon though

[low dagger]

Alright

[mint plinth]

2016 sp dlc would of been nice place to explian the events between games. but what do i know...

[heavy bridge]

As much as I'd love that they won't do it. They were successful in killing off multiplayer by releasing eternal

[elder viper]

Eternal definently won't get a new DLC

The game stopped getting major updates after update 6.66

[heavy bridge]

Btw thanks for helping Miles Spider Punk

[untold nacelle]

DOOM 2016 DLC 🔥 🔥 🔥

[feral plover]

Unreleased footage of Doom 2016 dlc

[iron spade]

Faster cacos in nightmare mode and have a higher chance of enemy ai not existing in I'm too young to die mode

[feral plover]

So Make It Like Classic. The Higher The Difficulty The Higher The Demon Count?

[iron spade]

Yes

[solar crown]

meh i like it more if things are more consistant

make the enemies smarter and stronger, don't just spam a lot more

[woven siren]

just make it so levels are scalable

[solar crown]

they are

[woven siren]

tbh i like the different enemy count approach because it lets people be creative

[solar crown]

wdym creative?

[woven siren]

with enemy counts silly

[woven siren]

the level makers

they change enemies here and there, mess with layouts

simple-looking changes in classic doom can lead to way more difficulty

[solar crown]

level makers would need to make 4 different versions of their level then

[woven siren]

lol classic doom devs made 3

i like it bc playing on higher diff feels like a souped up version of the og rather than just enemy dmg increase

[solar crown]

more enemies can also attack at once and they are a bit more aggressive aswell

[woven siren]

yea w/ speed n stuff

[solar crown]

i think it would just make the gaps between difficulties a bit more bigger which is eh

[woven siren]

it's the standard higher difficulty and i personally found classic doom's difficulty settings more interesting

[solar crown]

i mean, they are difficulty settings

those don't really need to be interesting

[woven siren]

i just like classic doom's difficulty mechanics 🤷

[solar crown]

i feel like it's just a bit too much needless complication

[woven siren]

for the reason i already specified earlier

[woven siren]

lmao

isn't that what every suggestion is to you

[solar crown]

no not really

[woven siren]

also difficulty settings have a right to be interesting

isn't seeing what a game does to make itself a more difficult version itself interesting?

[solar crown]

well when i bump the difficulty up i would like to play that level, but harder
not have a new level

[woven siren]

...that's what classic doom does

[solar crown]

ok, and is this classic doom?