the-future

[feral plover]

I always thought it was strange how drastically different DOOM (2016) and DOOM Eternal are.

[clever bear]

Different development cycles. Also Eternal tried to fix a bunch of 2016’s stuff like the SSG and Gauss Cannon being the only guns that matter. There’s definitely stuff 2016 did better but I have trouble going back to it after Eternal’s changes.

[feral plover]

it could go from
after all demons were sent beck to heck neo nazis appeared

its very stupid but imagine

it would be more like wolfenstein but whatever

[reef bolt]

Not to different. Really depends on the player. I go back and forth between classic doom 2016 eternal with no issues. I noticed for alot of people that started with eternal they seem to have issues with muscle memory when trying to play 2016 or even classic.

[clever bear]

I started with Classic and then played 2016 then Eternal. The thing in 2016 that gives me the most problems is how momentum reliant the movement is. It’s important to mention that I insist on playing 2016 without runes due to the runes completely changing the game in such fundamental ways. The RPG elements have come to be one of the few things I just firmly dislike about modern Doom

[elder viper]

I doubt there would be enough neo nazis to become a threat large enough to amount to the same level of Hell and warrant Doomguy to stop them. Also I think it would be better to keep nazi's out of the picture for Doom. DOOM 2016 and especially Eternal are trying to stray away from the old Wolfenstein/Commander Keen/Doom connection. Heck MachineGames did the same thing by making the new Wolfenstein's take place in an alternate universe separate from Wolfenstein 3D.

Just saying the people who say BJ is gonna free Doomguy I don't think played New Order or New Colossus.

Wolf3D BJ should be either really old or dead by now.

probably dead

[reef bolt]

Youngblood introduces dimensional slip gates

Bj has gone to other worlds

But I agree that would be dumb

[elder viper]

Ok but Doomguy looked to be imprisoned on the Ingmore Sanctum which is in the Blood Swamps meaning BJ would have to do the Trial of Maligog. MachineGames BJ would not be able to complete the trial.

[reef bolt]

Not at his age not without a suit. Be has a super solider body now but he's very old by the time youngblood takes place in the 80s

[elder viper]

I'm conflicted about Youngblood

I own it but dunno if I need a friend to play it so I've never downloaded it

it's just chilling in my Steam library

[reef bolt]

I really enjoyed it. Don't buy the hate. The Ai is actually pretty good. Never did anything stupid on my part. I really liked the doom suit I unlocked and the hell invaded Mars Easter egg. Why the nazis left Mars and never settled there

[elder viper]

I'll try it. Gonna beat New Colossus though. The games can be pretty hard but when you beat an encounter it's great

[reef bolt]

If you're playing death incarnate make sure you fully upgrade the Sturmgewehr. Then duel it. It will melt everything

[elder viper]

Noted

[past yarrow]

Am I the only one who thinks that DOOM eternal should add the Prowler to Battlemode 2.0 and also give it a Creature from the Black Lagoon Skin?

[reef bolt]

That would be neat if they didn't move on from eternal

[past yarrow]

yeah

[elder viper]

If anything I want the Harvester to appear as a campaign demon

[past yarrow]

I agree but also a playable demon as well.

[worldly bolt]

i hope any new doom game in the future will have master lvls all with rewards

its just such a cool idea

[reef bolt]

That would be neat

[elder viper]

Master Levels, a level editor of sorts (Like a enhanced version of SnapMap), and official mod support would be amazing

I know that NO future Doom game will ever come close to the monster of a modding scene that is the original games but SnapMap was so fun to use. Also while what Zwip and the others on the modding Discord are doing for Eternal and 2016 is great. Would be so much easier to just have official mod support.

[clever bear]

Even a Master Level maker that has you changing enemy spawns and other game objects within an official campaign level would be pretty cool

[elder viper]

YES, a level editor that has an option to let someone edit the already existing campaign levels would be awesome. There would be so much potential and the community could go absolutely wild with something like that

[clever bear]

I imagine that I would mostly play with weird gimmick fights like “oops! All revenants” or unusual floor is lava stuff etc to see where I could go with it. Also Classic Mode because the game’s combat is best when you have to make the most of a limited pool of options that doesn’t include the crazy powerful ones

Like if FA shotgun, remote det RL, and microbeam plasma gun are your only guns and mods, you need to make the most of these kinda weak tools and adapt which is really cool

[elder viper]

So like a Left 4 Dead style co-op game but zombies are demons? Interesting yeah sounds like something fun with friends

Pretty good spin-off idea doesn’t sound like something for a main line title though

[next oxide]

Would a reboot of DOOM RPG work? Have it take place during the events of 2016 and/or Eternal.

[glacial dove]

Not many people were a fan of its turn based nature, and because of the modern dooms few people would want to go that much slower

[elder viper]

If you have a computer highly recommended. Left 4 Dead 2 has got to be one of the best co-op zombie horde shooters out there

[reef bolt]

All I want honestly. Just a level editor or custom map creation

[queen slate]

Hear me out on this,a VR version of the next doom game

That plays like the actual game and not like the doom 2016 VR version-

[solar crown]

If it has eternal like movement it straight up wont work

[glacial dove]

The whole reason doom vfr was slower than doom 2016 is vr just can’t work for faster paced scenarios

For one the degree of motion sickness would be absurd

[queen slate]

Yea fair enough

[reef bolt]

Yeah even doom 3 vr can get to intense. New doom wouldn't work.

[glacial dove]

That’s just cuz you are old

[reef bolt]

This is true

[queen slate]

Lol

[nimble loom]

Doom 2016 and eternal

[feral plover]

They should do enternal in vr but for glory kills slow down time and do whatever move

[solar crown]

Can't wait to get massive motion sicknes by meathooking around

[nimble loom]

Clearly you did not play vfr

Whuch proved why its a poor idea to implement the gameplay of the recent games into vr

[clever bear]

Doom Eternal

[feral plover]

Battlemode

[elder viper]

Clearly they haven’t played VR

Not every game can be ported to VR

Eternal

[tawny glen]

what do you guys think the next doom game is going to be about

[glacial dove]

Killing demons presumably

[real lagoon]

XD

[tawny glen]

story wise

[solar crown]

Killing demons

[clever bear]

I’d like to have a twist on that personally: killing mutated demons. In addition to the body horror, it would be fertile ground for really weird enemy designs

Another cool direction to go with that idea would be to have a demon type that is other demons sewn together. Like a big cyberdemon esque abomination that is an amalgam of imps, mancubi, revenants, etc, all attached together and the individual parts are writhing separate from the abomination’s general movements

A writhing squirming mass of demons stitched together into a bipedal approximation of a humanoid demon

[modest idol]

gonna go the Midnight route here and say because Doomguy was locked in hell, and because he might have pissed off a higher being (creator of Davoth) it's the slayer trying to escape hell and killing the demonic royalty

and if I'm taking Midnight's opinion, an all out war between heaven(?), hell, and earth. And that would be a damn good excuse for opening another portal to hell

[tawny glen]

true I watched that video as well I think that could be a good route

[modest idol]

like this man basically ripped the fabric of the universe apart because his rabbit was killed

[solar crown]

uses midnight's opinion

[modest idol]

it's a really likely outcome

[tawny glen]

I have got a weird plot hole that I found in eternal

[modest idol]

whatever the fuck happened between 2016 and eternal?

[solar crown]

not really, the plot can go any way
plus heaven was already completely invaded by hell

[modest idol]

the lore book says that there's someone higher than Davoth in that universe that lives in a realm unreachable to everyone (which is what I'm referring to as heaven)

[tawny glen]

in the doomguys man cave there is a picture of doomguy in his praetor suit with daisy when daisy had died way, way erlier

[modest idol]

it's more of an easter egg or reference type thing

[solar crown]

ah ok, kinda weird cause urdak literally is heaven

[modest idol]

should have clarified, it's my b

[solar crown]

mancave isnt lore compliant and that is fine, it's supposed to be fun

[tawny glen]

yea but it should have been him in his suit of 1996

[modest idol]

the amount of people username hitching in this server is insane

[solar crown]

that isnt what the original artist made

it's just some cool fanart the devs wanted in

like a lot of other just fun stuff that is in the mancave

[modest idol]

isn't the modern praetor suit just the original modified by night sentinels?

[solar crown]

doesnt make any reason that doom1 and 2 are on a pc in the fortress either

[modest idol]

was about to point this out

[solar crown]

nope, at the very least it is so heavily modified that it barely classified as the original anymore

[modest idol]

yeah but the cutscenes from the Slayer's capturing show his original, old asf praetor suit

[solar crown]

yes

well i dont think the OG suit is a preator suit

[tawny glen]

also did anyone notice that all of the suits you can unlock from doomguys fort is from his past

[ionic depot]

Duh, how are you gonna unlock a suit from the future

[modest idol]

again, cool feature that players will notice

basically keeping the legacy alive

[tawny glen]

well im saying its cool to see what he looked like in his sentinel armor

[ionic depot]

Totally

Sentinel armour is pretty badass

[modest idol]

my Doom Eternal skin is the indigo classic marine suit

it's badass

[tawny glen]

nice

[modest idol]

i just realised bridgeburner is in here lol
i just watched a fucking teleporter closet tutorial from him

back to the future of doom

mighty doom, opinions?

[ionic depot]

Never heard of that

[modest idol]

mobile doom game

[ionic depot]

No.

I think it would be cool to have like a side game where you play as a sentinel warrior in the sentinel world

[modest idol]

that's just doom games

especially TAG 2

[ionic depot]

Yeah but you’re still doomguy

[modest idol]

and you're still a sentinel warrior

[ionic depot]

True

Doomguy was a sentinel warrior, not the other way around though

[modest idol]

mighty doom was originally meant to be doom eternal for mobile (extremely slimmed down and top down

[reef bolt]

Great dude. Has a fantastic server too

[ionic depot]

I highly doubt doom would work on mobile

[modest idol]

Well it's not it's original idea any more

It's more of an arcadey side game

[glacial dove]

Says who?

It was always a reskin of archero

[modest idol]

I read that it was meant to be that when I originally saw shit on it

So if it wasn't then that's my mistake

[feral plover]

Urdak is Heaven in the sense that it is the primordial dimension that inpsired humanity's myth of, well, Heaven.

[solar crown]

And it's called heaven too

[feral plover]

All we know about the Mysterious Voice is it's a vast entity that created Davoth - we don't know anything about where it hails from, or what it does, or why it exists.

I personally find it much more likely that the Mysterious Voice is Shub / Quake or something like that.

[clever bear]

Yeah. I really want Shub as the next big bad.

[reef bolt]

If it is shub or any of the other eldridge gods I'll be happy.

[solar crown]

Thry actually all misstyped shrub

So a bush
The next boss is George W Bush

[reef bolt]

What you talking about .. it's shub

[nimble loom]

Oof

You know this is a series about demons, right?

Not eldric horrors beyond human compression

[clever bear]

Sure, but we need the demons to escape Hell again somehow. Or Shub could, you know, grow some demons of her own using their DNA or something

Basically an Eldritch Horror would be a pretty good way to have demons outside of Hell again

It’s not like having a big bad who isn’t a demon in themselves using them for their own ends is a new Doom plot. See also: Betruger and Pierce (sorta), Khan Maykr

[hollow badge]

Time for the return of that one guy from doom 3

[reef bolt]

He was finally released from the psych ward

[hollow badge]

The game shall be called doom 32 as it is doom 3 2

[feral plover]

But that's literally what the demons are.

The demons are eldritch monsters from a primordial dimension that has existed far longer than humanity ever did. They feed on souls, have no regard for human emotions or empathy. That's eldritch shit.

[hollow badge]

All I know is that I hope that some demons the have been left behind return

[solar crown]

There are no "left behind" demons from hell

[clever bear]

Which is why my theory/hope for the next game’s premise is an Outer God or something along those lines using DNA collected from the demons to grow new ones outside of Hell. I’d personally love for Id to pull a Doom 64 with the demon designs and have the clone demons be mutated and deformed, but that’s not something I have any particular reason to expect

Actually I felt that the Doom 64 mutations were too tame with the body horror aspect if anything. Imagine if the demons seemed to have the pitbull problem of their mutations making normal functioning harder for them.

[solar crown]

Aslong as ypu can still easily recognize which demon is which it'll be very cool

[clever bear]

Yup. Mostly I’m thinking stuff like pinkies that have tentacles where the eyes should be or imps with 3 arms that kinda stagger as they walk.

Like you can absolutely tell what demon it is, but it’s that demon type gone horribly wrong somehow

[reef bolt]

Very doom 64. Always loved the idea of the mother demon

Now something bigger and badder with that power set would be wild

[modest idol]

maybe the next doom game should be explaining the inbetween of 2016 and eternal

[elder viper]

Earth already has their war. Also first off who would free Doomguy if he’s trying to escape Hell?

[modest idol]

good question

[elder viper]

Maybe the Wretch as it’s only the real possible answer

[mint plinth]

Need more doom

[clever bear]

Doom 2 mods.

[delicate rain]

I could see it being a game,but it’ll probably not be as long as 2016 and eternal

[woven siren]

that doom rts

[quaint stag]

i gonna play doom in nes

[trim coral]

I am doom

[lone light]

i jneed more doom

[solar yoke]

Crossover with Wolfenstein when

[clever bear]

So I get the impression that the collectible toys are a permanent fixture in Modern Doom. I like this, but I think the next game should try a new spin on it. 2016 Doom had Doomguy recolors, then Eternal had figurines of Doomguy and all the demons, so I think the next game should do Doomguy and the demon roster again, but this time as plushies. Not only would this be a cool way to keep Eternal’s improvements to this formula while doing something new with it, it would also be a perfect merch opportunity. I know I’d want to buy Doom plushies

[solar crown]

aslong as they keep on being all the demons, loved that it was all the demons

[elder viper]

Never

[clever bear]

Of course. I love it being all of them. As cool as the Doom figurines are, I find the general lack of Doom plushies a huge missed opportunity. There are occasionally some for Doomguy and cacos but that tends to be it. I’d love a plush baron of Hell and the cyberdemon and a revenant

The figurines look very well made (now regarding ones you can actually buy) but very much not the kind of merch I’m usually interested in. Plushies don’t have all the little pieces and usually feel better to the touch so I much prefer buying them. That and they’re usually not as expensive

[solar crown]

Huggable mancubi 😳

[clever bear]

Yes

Also huggable Marauder assuming he returns for the next game (I hope he does with some tweaks)

Mostly I want him to have less HP because moderately high hp and only occasional attack opportunities is a pretty irritating combination, especially when other hell bastards are around

[solar crown]

I would rather have more attack opportunities rather then just baiting him with his predictable attack pattern

I feel like he has enough hp tbf

Making it so that you can only attack him during ONE attack meand you can learn how that one attack works foo fast and make them feel a bit too robotic

[clever bear]

I get wanting more openings but needing to bait him into swinging for them is kinda what makes him special. Having it be 2-3 attacks with openings instead of just one might work

[solar crown]

Well yeah i dont mean every attack, just more

Hell i would almost liked it if you could quickly shoot hom during that ssg attack

[reef bolt]

My gf made the same complaint last night. She's a huge push collector. She wanted a plush mancubus

[solar crown]

Understandable

[clever bear]

I’m not really a collector in general but plushes have appeal to me as decorative items that are also huggable

[solar crown]

Same, though i do like other figurenes

[clever bear]

Also plushes have the benefit that the nice ones tend to be $20-30 instead of $100+

[fresh copper]

Plushy Cacodemon.

[clever bear]

Yup. Lots of homemade caco plushes due to being relatively simple sewing projects

[mild pivot]

Something I think would be cool in the next game is the music dynamically changed mid-fight.
Like adding percussion when you attack or different instruments when you shoot with different weapons, something like Ape Out if anyone has played that game.
I already love the music in Doom '16 and Eternal I think it adds a lot to the gameplay and having a detail like that would be really cool idk.

[clever bear]

Eh it kinda undermines having a memorable score, which is a big part of Doom’s deal

[mild pivot]

That's very true actaully

[reef bolt]

I feel like quick swaps would make that sound like dog shit anyways lol

[nova delta]

Shiii that could actually work.

Davoth reborn and by all means ready to learn from his mistakes

[solar crown]

They shouldnt bring back davoth at all

Wouldnt make any sense, he literally already got revived just to be killed and then butchered his story too

[nova delta]

... oh yeh, true

[clever bear]

Yeah I meant use a different character. Like Shub or Yog-Sothoth

[elder viper]

noooooo I don't want another glorified Marauder battle and have to watch his dumb ass waddle around the arena again

[elder viper]

If Shub-Nub is coming back they should save it for a Quake 1 reboot rather then a Doom game.

[feral plover]

The issue is some are theorizing those will be one and the same.

[reef bolt]

That would be interesting and its doable

[nova delta]

If he was to return i would've thought the fight would be a bit more interesting... but his return isnt likely

[clever bear]

Modern Doom is kind of a Doom/Quake hybrid as it is, separately rebooting Quake wouldn’t make much sense

[elder viper]

The reason I say to reboot Quake is so the world of Quake 1 can be expanded upon as its pretty bare bones, they could expand upon the Lovecraft influence. The combat could easily differ enough so it doesn’t just feel like a copy and paste of DOOM 2016 or Eternals combat

I also just wanna see the old monsters models redone in idTech 7 (or 8 if it’s even in development yet)

[elder viper]

What will be one in the same? Sorry I don’t understand what your trying to say

[feral plover]

Meaning those two concepts will be the same thing. A Doom sequel that is also a Quake reboot.

[clever bear]

Worth mentioning that Hugo Martin has already mentioned wanting to take more Lovecraftian angle with the next Doom

Besides Eternal’s version of Heaven and Hell are kind of a mildly Lovrcraftian take on those concepts already

[reef bolt]

Lots of gods to deal with

[copper horizon]

Should we kill them like Kratos did?

[reef bolt]

Kratos actually let alot of Greek gods live surprisingly

[clever bear]

The Slayer isn’t even as deicidally motivated as Kratos, so only if they get in the way

[copper horizon]

Still, killing eight of the most important gods really hurt Greece.

He killed nine, but Hephaestus's death didn't really have a consequence.

[clever bear]

Like the Slayer has only gone out of his way to kill a god once, and that guy unambiguously deserved it. The Khan Maykr incident was self defense

[reef bolt]

They most definitely would get in the way

[clever bear]

In which case they will probably need to die

[copper horizon]

"All gods will die."

[clever bear]

Probably not Azathoth. Assuming Azathoth were to follow Lovecraft version rules anyway

[copper horizon]

That made me think of Raven from Teen Titans, even though it's not the same spelling.

[clever bear]

Azathoth’s whole deal is that if he ever wakes up the universe ceases to be because the whole thing is just his dream. I would rather leave him out tbh

[formal gulch]

#fuckazaathoth

[elder viper]

Ohhhh. Yeah if they make a Quake reboot I’d want it to be separate from Doom. You could have a tiny bit of intertwining lore but for the most part keep the 2 apart.

[gusty thorn]

I have a question what if for the next weapon I could be called SBFG aproto type of a BIGGER bfg

?

[nimble loom]

Guys I just found a massive leak for the next doom game.
In the next doom game you play as a character called bitterman who is currently fighting a war on the planet stroggos who after being hit by an overconfident pilot nearly manages to miss the anti air defense being the only soldier making it on the ground

[drifting ridge]

Is that call of duty

[woven siren]

no, quake 2

i don't think call of duty has foreign planets

oh wait infinite warfare

[nimble loom]

No its doom

[drifting ridge]

It was ironic

[wild coyote]

quake 2 man. good times.

but when quake 3 hit lans flowed with blood

man oh man

[reef bolt]

Still need to give quake 4 a go

[elder viper]

Quake 2 is nice and all but personally I find Quake 1 a better time

Quake 2 does have really nice looking levels though and the whole seemless level connection thing is nice as well

Funny cause I think most people attribute that to Half-Life more so

[wild coyote]

half life used quakes code

tells you who is the better dev

q2 is that point where levels started to look really good

like models were getting that poly count

[elder viper]

Yeah it does. Funny again since Deathmatch Classic is more or less Quake 1 deathmatch on GoldSrc.

[wild coyote]

if you look at the code

copy pasta

you just cant make it better

bsp is the most efficient way

i myself went down the tracer/bsp/raster rabbit hole long ago

i keep coming back to bsp

there is a game i want badly tho

Time Shift 2

woooo that was a joyride

time shift 1 was just too good and there was this fps drought

crysis came out

and few people touched it

but i loved it

i really can't recommend it any harder, if you are a roe fan put it to the test

3 barreled shotgun, time suit, flaming smg's

it's too good

[junior spoke]

doom source when

[clever bear]

Do we know for sure if the Slayer lost his powers after TAG?

[glacial dove]

Yes

His powers came from and were connected to davoth

When he died the power went with him

[clever bear]

Okay

[glacial dove]

Hence the sleep

[reef bolt]

Return of doomguy

[nimble loom]

Doom man is sleepy

[clever bear]

How do Quakecon announcements typically work? Do they announce stuff between events or offstream or what?

[nimble loom]

You see its awfully similar to quakecon in its structure

[solar crown]

Just dont watch it and pick up the highlights later on

[clever bear]

Okay

[solar crown]

It's what i have been doing for the last big video game events lmfao

Why waste all my time sitting there, sitting through uninteresting sponserships and boring games, if i can just wait and some friends/randos in servers just scream OH MY FUCKING GOD A NEW FUCKING DOOM HOOOLY SHIT I'M GONNA RIP AND TEAR AHIGNSJWBR

[clever bear]

Lol. I don’t think it’s likely, but one last content update for Eternal would be nice, even if it’s just a parting shot

[reef bolt]

I'd settle for a a 2 second teaser title lol

[elder viper]

I watch the streams despite the fact that I know nothing good will be revealed and I am wasting 2 hours of my life

May Raven be freed from the damnation of Call of Duty

With Microsoft having both Activision and Bethesda now there is a glimmer of hope

I forgot but isn’t Hexen or Heretic in copyright hell? Like the rights to one of the IP’s so spread apart?

Seriously there a few companies that could really put out stellar titles if they weren’t being held back by the higher up’s

[elder viper]

Respawn: Titanfall 3
Valve: Literally anything Half-Life related
CloudChamber: BioShock 4
id Software: Quake 1 reboot

Just to name a few

Half-Life Alyx has given me a shred of hope and dammit I’m gonna hold onto it

Real shame too the fact an entire plot for Episode 3 exists as well

But now there doing some shit with G-Man and time travel or whatever

Cause of course he can go back in time why wouldn’t he?

He tried to remove Gordon from City 17 but apparently Vortigaunts of all creatures can stop him. Idk anymore I like Half-Life’s lore and world building but some of its wacky

G-Man places Gordon in the brief case

Shepard’s in one of those jars alongside everyone’s favorite Half-Life character Mitchell

[trim coral]

I’d kill for Titanfall 3 fuck call of duty and battlefield honestly they can GO!

[elder viper]

Titanfall 3 would be great. Apex is on a downwards spiral and Respawn clearly no longer cares about the game that made them what they are.

[trim coral]

Ya

[reef bolt]

Doom

[feral plover]

Yes

[feral plover]

Doom in vr how would that work?

[clever bear]

Doom 3 is available in VR, and kinda Doom 2016 but heavily altered to work in VR

[reef bolt]

It's actually a different character and campaign and everything

[clever bear]

Which one?

[reef bolt]

2016

[clever bear]

Okay

[elder viper]

Classic Doom translates decently into VR. Doom 3 had a specially designed port made for it and DOOM 2016… yeahhh wasn’t made for VR in the slightest

[feral plover]

I was mostly talking about the new ones But that's good to know

[worldly bolt]

agreed

[mint plinth]

doesnt look like we should expect much if i am reading the QuakeCon schedule right

[elder viper]

send schedule link please

nvm found it

[elder viper]

Yeah mostly Fallout 76 and Elder Scrolls stuff.

Only Doom related thing is a Doom Lore talk and only Quake stuff is Quake Live and the Pro Leauges

But realistically we should have expected nothing about a new game this QuakeCon. After all id's new game started development (assumedly) pretty recently so it makes sense they wouldn't have something to show yet.

[solar crown]

What will hugo pull out of his ass this time

[mint plinth]

at the very least give us a update to Wolfenstein 3. Must be in dev hell

[elder viper]

Didn’t see anything regarding MachineGames on the schedule so I feel like we’ll get nothing this year as well

[normal hearth]

Is the MeatHook going away in the next game

If it is ima cry

[elder viper]

Dunno. I could see it staying or going away really a 50/50. For the next Doom game though I really do want a rework of the arsenal new guns and weapons so it doesn’t just feel like Eternal 2

[woven siren]

imagine they rip off ultrakill

[elder viper]

They port ULTRAKILL to idTech 7

[valid locust]

I believe so. It’s been said the next game you will be slower but hit like a truck. I’m thinking 2016 but doom eternal damage

[reef bolt]

I think Hugo said tank but yeah

[mint plinth]

i heard monster truck

[worldly bolt]

i heard that aswell

[elder viper]

QUAKE REBOOT

[valid locust]

Possibly, quake but doom

[reef bolt]

There's doomtubers calling it tank haha. Oh well

[elder viper]

No Quake but Quake

Just Quake no Doom

[valid locust]

hear me out

what about... new ip

[glacial dove]

I mean not entirely impossible. But they have the success from rebooting doom working for them, and they can potentially have that success with quake

Wouldn’t have to make too much new for them

Vs a new ip which needs ALL new stuff

Although I would welcome a new ip

[junior spoke]

quoom

duake

[elder viper]

Well on the job listing (That everyone’s speculations are drawing from) they specifically said they needed someone to help work on a long running FPS franchise so that knocks a new IP out the window pretty much leaving us with either Doom or Quake

[solar crown]

I'm pretty sure it also said it wasnt doom

[nimble loom]

Its obviously a new catacombs game

[reef bolt]

It never said it was or wasn't doom.

[mint plinth]

Sounds more like Doom but yah could be quake

If they are doing Quake, I hope a secondary studio is doing a Doom Spin off such as a Prequel

But before we get a new IP, i want to see a new Heretic/Hexen

[glacial dove]

Idk how those ip rights are

[mint plinth]

they belong to MS now

[glacial dove]

Hmm owned by raven software, owned by activision,

Microsoft acquired.
Microsoft now owns the rights
Id owned too

Hmmm

It would then depend if Microsoft then give those rights over

[mint plinth]

another option is to make the game, see who sues and settle it

then Hexeric can join the mighty Idverse

[glacial dove]

Would certainly need to see if there is demand and if certain people make certain moves

I rekon id/zenimax would have to go to Microsoft like hey,,,,,,, so y’all gots few ips from x company we want. Can we make game?

[mint plinth]

well there is too much to say but i dont feel like typing it all out

i just miss the days when games were smaller and easier and not driven only by profits

[glacial dove]

Hey, what if, magic, and swords, and demons,

Fuck it lets spend 3 years make the game boom

Hey but if we launch in x quarter, no no but x game is launching, also add skins but not paid but paid later and blah blah blah

Yeah older games were simpler Times

Too many devs afraid to try new stuff, so they all have to stick with the same

Or if they try something new, they shove profits as it’s goal and it suffers

Or they rush it and it launches horrible

I still think anthem had potential, but the profits and rushed aspects killed it

Even eternal I would stay got a litle greedy

[reef bolt]

Machine games if that's the case .. I'd hope anyways

[glacial dove]

Machine games needs to whip out rage 3 or wolf 3

Or new fps

[mint plinth]

wolf 3 when ... is it even being developed?

Ill form a studio and make Hexeric, just ask MS

[reef bolt]

Rumor is it is

[mint plinth]

ive heard that rumor too but damn its been years, so i still think it is in development hell

[elder viper]

Hexen and Heretic both have a chance now and that is amazing that Raven Software has a chance to return to its former glory

[toxic dock]

Maybe they could fix snapmap for 2016 before doing yet another game. Seriously, it's not even a half finished mode

[nimble loom]

Probably not

[elder viper]

Yeah probably not but the possibility is their if the rights get settled out.

[elder viper]

Doubt it. DOOM 2016 no longer gets updates and it’s been that way for 6 years so they probably won’t update the game just for SnapMap

[toxic dock]

Extremely unlikely yeah, but would be nice if they actually finished their product

[mint plinth]

Missed opportunity with SnapMap. They should of given us more resources and had a seperate PC version. So much potential wasted

1. Using MP maps as snapmap templates

2. PC version allows 8 players or more

3. Demon/Weapon skin editing like we got with Deathmatch Player Armors

[glacial dove]

Snapmap as it’s own $40 game

Built in level creation tool and searching tool

Built in deathmatch tool as well, allowing you to start a custom map, and randoms or friends can join

It could also just be a universal editor tool

Each game that launches. New $20 dlc to add that games assets to fhe creation tool

[toxic dock]

I'd buy it in a heartbeat if it meant a fully fleshed out version of what 2016 snapmap could've and should've been

[turbid swallow]

Hugo martin said the next doom game would be more like a monster truck compared to a finely tuned sports car like doom eternal. I'd like to see a canonical sequel to doom 3 which is more gritty and ties in the universes.

[lapis hill]

are they making another doom game? if so i really hope it builds off of eternal because this game no joke carried me through covid and was so cool to experience as it came out and was live!

[mint plinth]

skateboard -> ferrari -> monster truck

[reef bolt]

With the same graphics. Very doable

[slate cypress]

Hopefully, if they do, I think they'll remove his powers because of ||the ending to tag2||

[solar crown]

Howdya define "his powers" though qua gameplay
And it'll play differently anywaus as hugo said

[elder viper]

I would rather see what bullshit way Doomguy breaks out of that sarcophagus

oh Hugo what will you come up with next?

[slate cypress]

Yeah lol

[slate cypress]

Like his divinity machine powers being taken away because he might not have them after killing what is basically statan

He completed his goal and had no need for them ig

[solar crown]

I know but what are "his powers" and what is just gameplay

[slate cypress]

Most of the stuff he does is his actual powers, but he hardly ever uses them. Lore accurate doom slayer would probably be in beserk mode the whole time

[elder viper]

In the lore he’s literally just like a super soldier

His powers aren’t that crazy in actuality

[solar crown]

"Lore accurate doomguy" is what we see ingame

Jumping around dodging attacks, destroying his enemies with guns

He cant do shit like punch 55 barons and kill them all, but he can do what you see ingame

[elder viper]

I feel like most people view lore accurate Doomguy as like Doomguy with Berserk and completely ignore the fact that it’s a power up in the lore as well

[slate cypress]

Are the power ups Canon?

[solar crown]

In 2016 they got explained i'm pretty sure

[feral plover]

They're gameplay contrivances with a canon explanation.

Maybe it's not necessarily canon that Berserk powerups are lying around Mars and Hell for no reason, but as actual things that exist in the lore, yeah that is canon.

[slate cypress]

Oh

[feral plover]

And, yeah, Da_Luci is right.

We play as lore-accurate Slayer in 2016 and Eternal.

[reef bolt]

Always wrote off power ups as a helmet indication telling you about a source that can activate it / cause it

[mint plinth]

Yes, But its too good so it wont happen.

While the maps are created on PC, they can also be made to play on a console version as well.

"Doom 3" asseet pack DLC, Quake asset pack DLC ...

Some type of IdStudio Lite where users can make their own snap modules would be pretty nice too

[glacial dove]

This is the approach prodeus is doing

While the creation tool itself is pc only. Consoles will have crossplay and a download tab to download maps

[mint plinth]

I really need to finish my MegaWad, jesus if we had this^^ ill never finish it

I once had a dream where my Doombuilder levels were easily converted into Doom 2016 levels. It was magical. Maybe in 20 years

[nimble loom]

His powers are that he can jump and he runs slower

[feral plover]

I kinda prefer doomguy just being a badass marine instead of an immortal god

While eternal’s gameplay was leagues better than 2016, i prefer 2016’s mysterious feel to doomguy

[reef bolt]

I wouldn't say leagues. Leagues would be like halo and eternal . But I would say it perfected it

[elder viper]

I like the overpowered demigod bit but TAG's lore kinda started taking things off the rails

[feral plover]

Yeah, youre right actually. Doom eternal VS 2016 is more subjective. I do think it perfected it though

[halcyon scarab]

I like to think that lore accurate Slayer is the one that play the game on UN whether it is the base game, DLC or ML.

[feral plover]

He's still a badass marine.

The immortal god thing is trumped-up. He's not immortal, or a god. Think Captain America or something along those lines.

[halcyon scarab]

This

[lethal bloom]

He just shoot it till it’s dead

[clever bear]

I hope bullet sponges aren’t quite as big a part of the next Doom. I get why modern Doom uses them, but I think the most interesting aspect of Doom is crowd control of large groups of foes, which bullet sponges kinda work against when they’re commonplace

[elder viper]

Funny how most think of him as an immortal god of destruction midnight cough cough when in actuality he is closer to a super soldier like Captain America.

He's got the speed and strength thing yeah but his durability really is only because of the Praetor Suit

[elder viper]

Probably why weakpoints are a thing, to make tankier enemies a bit more engaging to deal with. I really hope the breakable weakpoints are expanded upon and used far more for a new Doom game.

[clever bear]

I do like weakpoints, but I’d also like to see big groups of squishy foes more often

[elder viper]

As long as it's not overused or like day 1 World Spear then sounds good.

[solar crown]

I think doomguy is definitely biologically immortal. As in, can't age and won't die from a normal sickness

[celest blaze]

thing is doom slayer is strong as shit definitely beats kratos and all that dunno why thats even still a debate but ik people say "you cant even prove that doomslayer is that strong" but if he was that strong the game would be to fucking easy

[solar crown]

Ok but he is legit not

Doomguy is as strong as he is during gameplay, why would he be stronger after all

There is no evidence that when doomguy flexes his pinky an entire universe gets destroyed and stop pretending like there is

[solar crown]

So for example, as long as doomguy dodges kratos' attacks he can win. Cause that's doomguy's real strength: being an annoying lil mosquito and shooting down enemies

[celest blaze]

no listen the proof that doomslayer is way stronger than he is when he to the key at the beggining of ancient gods pt 1 and that he killed the maker of the multiverse

the energy that was sent down into his body as he was picking up that key lasted 4 seconds

[solar crown]

Ok, and how did he kill the maker of the universe

Oh yeah, he lost his power, he dodged his attacks, and shoot him down till he died

[celest blaze]

ik il

[solar crown]

Doomguy can absorb argent energy

[celest blaze]

thats a good buff

[solar crown]

Which the key was probs held down by as the UAC loves that shit

That's the healing explained basically

[celest blaze]

kratos wouldnt last long in doomslayers fighting environments

[solar crown]

hes fucking tough

[glacial dove]

Yeah no the doomslayer isn’t even remotely comparable to kratos

[solar crown]

Tbf kratos really needs in 1 hit and he has won, but with eternal movement he might stay dodging

But uhhhh gl killing the guy lol

[glacial dove]

Nah kratos has more than enough speed and flexibility,and has fought and killed faster enemies, as well as actually killing gods

Slayer as of yet the best thing he’s killed was a guy with no power in a suit of armor

[celest blaze]

well if thats him then no the best thing hes killed if hes just a guy with no power is khan makyr who is litterally invunerable yet doomslayers blood punches toor her down

[glacial dove]

@feral plover ^

[glacial dove]

The khan maykr isnt invulnerable btw

[rugged shuttle]

you think?

[celest blaze]

she was spoken of it in the campaign yk

[glacial dove]

In hell on earth vega says you obviously can’t damage her hologram

Yet inside of urdak she is vulnerable

Because that’s where her physical body is

And your blood punches were simply hitting the life sphere on her chest

[celest blaze]

remember when they were talking about the life sphere yeah

[glacial dove]

Life spheres are not exactly powerful either

He simply crushed the dark lords life sphere

[solar crown]

"Outside of her realm, she is by all acounts, invulnerable"

[glacial dove]

Be a shame if urdak was her realm

[solar crown]

Vega's*

[elder viper]

bro what

[solar crown]

It's a dumb blind doom stan that doesnt actually care for gamelore and only cares for dumb headcanons dw

[feral plover]

Wrong

[feral plover]

Wrong

[feral plover]

And also wrong.

[reef bolt]

The strength of the slayer is his will and his ability to never give up. A force of nature. He's more like John wick than a God

[solar crown]

Well he can't will himself into surviving his heart being ripped out but yeah kinda

[reef bolt]

like anything else in life you achieve something if your will is stronger than the obstacle you're facing

You'd have to have something or someone who wants it more than him. If that's the case then you could kill him

[solar crown]

Unless it wildly impossible or requires luck

[reef bolt]

Basically yeah.

[lofty saffron]

what do you guys expect from Quakecon this year? 🙂

Quake 2 Remastered or something else?

[reef bolt]

Nothing

[lofty saffron]

im 100% sure Quake 2 will have remaster this year

im 100 percent sure because i never played Quake 2 like one, before the Remaster and Quake 1 Remaster was great, fantastic and fun with my friends in cooperative mode for story :), i hope to have some fun in Quak 2 this year too, with a remaster

[reef bolt]

I have a pretty strong feeling that whole plot of quake 2 and 4 are going to be thrown away. But maybe

[nimble loom]

You're just begging for disappointment here

[celest blaze]

idk im new this is all ive heard so im here for correction :/

[celest blaze]

i know laugh at me im only 13 and i play such a hardcore game but im just throwing at you what i know from other rumors

[elder viper]

You can look at the schedule and only Quake stuff are a Quake Live tournament and only Doom stuff is a Doom lore talk

So sadly expect no Doom content

[copper zephyr]

is Doom Eternal getting anymore updates? I thought they were going to do more Master Levels

[clever bear]

Maybe, but probably not. If nothing is announced at Quakecon then almost certainly not

[nimble loom]

I hope quakecon has quake

actually, when was the last time quake was at quakecon?

[reef bolt]

Just a tournament. I've seen the schedule. Not much us happening. Dooms just having a lore talk maybe a lore book announcement if we're lucky

[elder viper]

Can’t wait for the lore book to contradict the Codex

[worldly bolt]

it def will

im waiting for hugo to say that doomguy has like magic fingers that make him stronger

[wind jetty]

Will there be a new doom game?

[solar crown]

doom makes too much money for ID to ignore so yes

[mint plinth]

Any new lore contradicts the previous. It is Doom tradition now

[clever bear]

The Slayer losing his powers at the end of TAG 2 feels like the most obvious thing to retcon in Eternal specifically

[solar crown]

or he gets them back in like the first level lol

[clever bear]

Or that

I do think playing a depowered Slayer who has to fight more cautiously and “fight dirty” a bit more could be really fun

[solar crown]

tbf there isnt a real clear divide between his powers and gameplay anyways

[clever bear]

Right

[solar crown]

cause like, healing when he kills a demons is kinda a power of his.... but removing glorykill is something

[clever bear]

I think it could be interesting to see a modern Doom where there’s an emphasis on hit and run tactics. Like say there’s a baron and some imps. Kill a few imps, run around a corner, then flank and get the drop on the other imps, then worry about the baron. I think that would still feel like Doom as long as you couldn’t stay out of sight for long and it was about outmaneuvering foes rather than true stealth

[reef bolt]

Bring back archie revives

[solar crown]

hmmm could but ehh sounds bit cowerdly gameplay idk but how it's explained it doesnt grab me

[clever bear]

I figure that it would kinda force you to consider defense a bit more and generally would capture the feeling of defeating the demons through cunning rather than raw power. I mostly mean that in bigger fights I’d like to see an emphasis on not engaging with the whole room at once.

[solar crown]

if done well it would be cool but eh the concept still doesnt quite get me

it's cooler to try and figure out how to kill all the enemies on the fly

[clever bear]

Charging in headfirst and just clearing the whole group in one push feels a bit too, IDK, brute force driven to me. Needing to consider defense and looking for advantageous angles to engage is interesting. Classic Doom has both, but I feel modern Doom leans a little too much into the former

[solar crown]

what if you gotta play intelligently, like know what you gotta do, to just charge in a group and kill them all?

[feral plover]

I think the next doom game should combine both aspects of 2016 and eternal gameplay, environments

[solar crown]

eternal and 2016 gameplay are already quite similar
and they already said it'll be different from eternal "if eternal was a racing car, the next game will be a truck"

[feral plover]

😮

That sounds awsome

[clever bear]

There’s definitely value in needing to prioritize targets and choose weapons carefully and stuff. I’ve said this before, but more than anything else I feel that Eternal’s combat gets kinda repetitive. Classic Doom has a bunch of wildly different kinds of encounters that push the player to use wildly different strategies and I wish modern Doom did more of that.

[solar crown]

why can't the gameplay styles be combined? why cant modern doom have strategy in any way?

[clever bear]

It’s not that modern Doom doesn’t have strategy.

[solar crown]

nono why can't it be possible to have something similar to the classics, but in newdoom?

[clever bear]

It is possible, but modern Doom just hasn’t been doing it much

[feral plover]

Modern Doom games are more like serious Sam and painkiller games but with more budget, ,a AAA studio behind it

[reef bolt]

I'd say more of quake and doom having a baby than anything else.

[feral plover]

I forgot to put doom and quake

[nimble loom]

Quake and dooms baby was rage

[elder viper]

“Davoth wasn’t actually The Father but it was VALEN the entire time.”

[elder viper]

DOOM 2016 feels more Quake then Serious Sam

[solar crown]

next doom

[feral plover]

I forgot to put I’d shooter in my comment, sorry

[elder viper]

No your fine was just giving my take is all, no need to apologize

[feral plover]

Thank you 😊

[reef bolt]

No it wasn't lol. Are you on the pipe again andy

[nimble loom]

Dont blame me for repeating whats on the box

[reef bolt]

Horrible

[mint plinth]

well till next year I guess.

Marty had Doom stuff in the intro, could that hint they are working on a new doom game?

[feral plover]

possibly, they even said that they are working on a game they aren't ready to show us yet

[mint plinth]

just tell us what it is damn it! i need the hype obsession

I would rather have Doom than Quake but somthing tells me they are pushing "lovecraftian Hell" into doom and are going to give us both in some form

This was all hinted by Hugo

[solar crown]

well they wont just sit on their arse lol

[reef bolt]

I would agree with that

[mint plinth]

two birds one stone, and give us mod and level editing support!

[still crown]

cacodemon glory kill for next game doom slayer jumps in cacodemon mouth and stabs upward with the knife thingy that comes out of his arm

[shy sparrow]

Freedoom Infinity

Lovecraftian Insects check

[mint plinth]

i certainly hope invasion comes back

[elder viper]

New Doom would be great but I’m still hoping for a Quake 1 reboot

[wraith rose]

Quake Reboot Ala Doom Reboot in 2016

[elder viper]

Yes. Something that a leans a lot more into Norse mythology and Lovecraft. There’s a lot of potential

[ivory panther]

quake 5

[elder viper]

no. Quake 1

[hushed badge]

we ned mrore dom gaem

[outer oxide]

dom gaem ned more

[nimble loom]

neb in noe😡😡😡

[elder viper]

quack rebot

[still crown]

Do m ge a m ne prety fun

[reef bolt]

[autumn mortar]

Does anyone think there’ll be new master levels? Since the dlc enemies didn’t really get that much of a time to shine outside of world spear and maybe horde mode.

[glacial dove]

Considering there hasn’t been any this far into the life of the game and no news at all. Id say it’s safe to say eternal is done

[autumn mortar]

Yea I feel the lack of Eternal news at or around the time of QuakeCon was a death warrant. Though I hoped maybe there was something I missed.

[elder viper]

Gotta agree with Bob. I feel like Eternal will only get new cosmetic events. They said Horde Mode was the final major update and a Master Level would be a pretty big update

[solar crown]

I don't think eternal will get anything

[marble jasper]

I always held out hope we’d see hell on earth master level. I’d even be surprised with new cosmetics since we are seeing recycled series.

[reef bolt]

I wouldn't bet on any new cosmetics either considering quake con 2022 skin being recycled

[feral plover]

doom is eternal but the live service sure ain’t

[mint plinth]

no more content for Doom Eternal. Really wish we got the more tonned down master levels that were in the game files. More my style than the 9 hour ML's of late

[solar crown]

If we got more content we wouldve knew that months ago

[elder viper]

That take 2 billion years to make

[mint plinth]

they were already made, just never released

[solar crown]

Tbf they where also rather lackluster

[mint plinth]

Now it is the time to hope for the Next Doom game

[mint plinth]

they were just not playtested enough

[solar crown]

ARC in basegame is harder or just as hard in the campaign then the ML lol, plus lower difficulties exist

[mint plinth]

i just didnt care for the last few master levels. They were way too long

even on HMP and not dying still took too fucking long

[solar crown]

Shorter then tag1 levels (except for WS i think), too bad they didnt make a dave system early on

[mint plinth]

i didnt think so, i felt the arena waves just never ended. Too much

Tag1 arenas didnt have 45 waves per room

if they stuck with the CB/ARC formula for master levels i bet they could of done every level - at least for vanilla

[solar crown]

I dont feel like SGN or TN waves where too long, MC definitely was with a few places and had too much tyrant spam

[elder viper]

or hey you know a quake 1 reboot, just saying

the words "quake reboot" have been said a total of 70 times in this chat a majority of which said by me

I feel like a broken record

[reef bolt]

Soft reboot hopefully

[elder viper]

Soft reboot hard reboot, doesn't matter to me. I just wanna see the old Quake 1 stuff remade

[undone hornet]

i’ve played the xbox version of quake

it was on gamepass but i didnt saw it so i bought it

[nimble loom]

Actually this is objectively false due to the simple fact they are Actually developing a sequel to quake 4 and my proof is here:

[lean oyster]

My one wish for future Doom games is better bosses. The bosses for both 2016 and eternal were underwhelming

[subtle granite]

i also found it odd in 2016 how you don’t even really face a boss until a solid 2/3 in

[next oxide]

Maybe they should make a future DOOM game bear a name “Maximum Doom” :p

(iykyk)

[reef bolt]

With all the fan made master levels

[elder viper]

no more strogg

[nimble loom]

Yes more strogg

they are funny and make funny noises

[elder viper]

Shamblers make funnier noises

[mint plinth]

personally i would rather have another doom game, but Quake would be allright. My greed wants both or maybe we get Quake as part of the Doom

[woven siren]

quake as part of the doom was (to some extent) DE

[reef bolt]

Both would be amazing

[woven siren]

i would not like quake-as-part-of-the-doom

[elder viper]

I agree it could tie in a tiny bit but for the most part keep the 2 as far apart as possible

[reef bolt]

2 different games with the same mechanics

[vivid sparrow]

Dose anyone know the next event for eternal

[glacial dove]

Probably some random rerun

They dont tend to reveal it until like the day before or day of

[vivid sparrow]

Ok

[outer oxide]

hopefully a quake game

[elder viper]

Yes. Again a Quake 1 reboot would be awesome

[next oxide]

Does the DOOM series deserve a happy ending?

[elder viper]

Well how would it properly end anyway

[reef bolt]

There's always evil. So there can't be a happy ending

[elder viper]

Hell will always exist you can’t fully destroy it

[feral plover]

No but the guy does

Or atleast bunny

[next oxide]

Yup, that’s what I specifically meant.

[fiery pendant]

now alright, ive only recently got into the doom franchise and from what ive learned...since new doom are basically like soft reboots of the 90s games, the only really story games were doom 1, 2 and 64 as a real story. Doom 2016 is a reboot of 93 and Eternal is a reboot of 94. So where else can we go from here

especially after the ending of TAG 2

[reef bolt]

Soft reboot really. As far as the story Is going its most likely going to lean towards the father and other elder gods which leans into quake

[exotic cradle]

i dont like how eternal connected classic doom to modern doom. kinda removed the mistique 2016 gave.

[next oxide]

2016 itself is already a follow-up to Doom 64.

[elder viper]

But 2016 already connected to the classic games

What are you on about?

[woven siren]

if i'm correct it was only implied and not directly stated

key phrase being "if i'm correct"

[woven siren]

i don't really want quake to tie into doom ngl

most i'd be fine with is alt-universe or something like the world reset from jojo

if they do a quake 1 reboot at least

since what i like about quake 1 is how vague and eerie the levels are, and most of that comes from you not knowing anything about where you are

[outer oxide]

Yeah

Me too, they deserve it. Some Indie titles are overseen so often

[feral plover]

For eternal I'd say they weren't underwhelming but there was a lack of bosses in the game

It would be better if there are more and more complicated attacks in the new Doom game

[reef bolt]

I don't think people do. But the gameplay will be so similar it might as well be

[fiery pendant]

i just want a new doom game

but, we cant neccesarily just get a new game, we need a new story and stuff

so, since new doom are technically soft reboot-sequels where do we go after eternal

the doom 64 story?, but as far as i know didnt we kind of already do that with tag?

[solar crown]

Do the story of someone else that at the end frees doomguy

Can't have shit with doomguy before he gets out

[reef bolt]

Doom 64 is already getting a new map pack soon that'll explore that

[mild pivot]

In the future I hope we have a different selection of weapons.
Doom Eternal's weapon balance is great but just feels a bit samey right after playing Doom '16. It does have different stuff like different weapon mods, but still.
In general I think it would be cool if the next Doom went in a different direction or tried something new as it could end up feeling too similar to '16 and Eternal by accident.

[solar crown]

Or just balance the weapon mods to make atleast most of them unique and great

[mild pivot]

That would work too

Idk I'd prefer new weapons

[solar crown]

Weaponmods practically are new weapons

[elder viper]

The way it’s looking Doomguy ain’t getting out of that sarcophagus anytime soon

[elder viper]

We already where beyond that with TAG. Now it’s just “who frees Doomguy?”

[solar crown]

making doomguy just automatically get out the coffin is just lame, especially by now so

[elder viper]

New weapons are nice but if they don’t change them a visual change at the least would be nice

[neat quarry]

Maybe a duel gun? Like maybe doom slayer holds pump shotguns on his each hand

[reef bolt]

Just give him full auto that that point lol

[solar crown]

full auto mastery: you get a second one

[reef bolt]

Still trash

[autumn mortar]

The next doom game should replace either the har or plasma rifle they’re too similar.

[uncut stratus]

Dual super shotguns.

[autumn mortar]

Wolfenstein style dueling would be cool, hopefully the weapon wheel wouldn’t be ass like in Wolf though.

Duel ssg would probably be as broken as the 2016 ssg though.

[reef bolt]

Plasma needs a buff not a replacement. Too iconic

[autumn mortar]

I was thinking more removing the har plus meme beam is pretty good if used right

[reef bolt]

Hahaha meme beam. Nice. I like assault rifles also. But it's more of a sniper rifle at this point

A assault rifle that increases the chance of falter and damage stack would make sense to use over a future gatling gun. In general though I do think next game weapons need more of a individual use outside of swap combos

[solar crown]

Or chaingun

Also why yall assume they'll have the same weaponmods and overall game balance lol

[reef bolt]

Because new doom only fans are toxic

[opal eagle]

Hi, can you be more precise about that and explain ? Thanks ✌

[reef bolt]

Generally not interested in changes outside of the eternal format. Dash, meathook swaps etc. For the most part want doom eternal part 2. How do I know? Heard this complaint to many times to count. Not interested in other doom games that are different

I should specify it as eternal not new doom. Since 2016 fan base is pretty great

[opal eagle]

Ok thanks, I am almost new to doom, (finished eternal campaign, bought extension and started 2016. I played Quake arena a long time ago) so i was wondering If I could be a pain for the community 😂. So I understand what you say. Just i would not say toxic but too much fans of eternal gameplay. So they will mad for any change anyway.

But I like 2016, its a totally different style but more reallistic ,(less arcade). I dont mind about what they do, they made awesome games so i trust them, as long as its playable and beautiful im ok

And im a New fan since I played eternal 😜

[reef bolt]

Yeah basically have to agree with you there. But eternal did bring in alot if new fans and it is an amazing game

[frosty trout]

Althrough Eternal is my favourite DOOM, I don't want to see DOOM Eternal 2.

[autumn mortar]

I’m not saying it should be similar to 2016/Eternal but if it were to be the har isn’t necessarily.

The chaingun is fine, there’s enough differences between their primary fires for them to be both useful.

I do think it’d be best if it was different, maybe a higher focus on pure damage rather than dps with more deadly enemies that are also more sparse or something like that.

[autumn mortar]

Doom 2016 fans are terrible about this. A ton of 2016 fans didn’t like Eternal cause of the changes.

I just brought this up cause it was like this in both 2016 and Eternal in terms of the primary fire.

[reef bolt]

I've seen some complaints about aesthetic. But I don't think it has a leg to stand on when both games bring alot to the table visually.

[autumn mortar]

And ammo, marauder, ect.

[reef bolt]

Really I've been in the doom 2016 community for a while and actual fans don't really complain that much and I haven't seen any complaints like that. Ammo as a general complaint but generally again new players who just recently played 2016 and preferred it perhaps

[autumn mortar]

They were super common around Eternals release just look at Skill ups or Zero punctuations video for example

[reef bolt]

One thing to remember is eternals marketing was fantastic which is why it attracted so many new players to eternal. Majority being new to doom and still are having it as the first doom game. 2016s first players appealed to og classic doom fans because it was a refreshing return to form. Eternal built on that and for those fans the classic doom aesthetics were appreciated.

[autumn mortar]

Yea 2016’s was bad especially with the multiplayer beta and how Bethesda handled reviews.

Alota people that like that game, initially thought it wasn’t going to be good.

[elder viper]

Except make it useful. Wolfensteins duel wielding has gotten me killed more then when I just use one gun

[elder viper]

DOOM Eternal fans when you try to give constructive criticism to the game only for them to quote some random shit Hugo once said

[autumn mortar]

I mean alota Eternal’s criticism was kinda dumb like people saying it was overly restrictive, the Marauder only hurts the pace when you haven’t gotten good at both the game and the Marauder, the ammo complaints come from people that need to learn to chainsaw, I get some of the aesthetic complaints even if I prefer Eternal’s aesthetic but you should at least acknowledge the terrible variety when it comes to 2016’s levels even if you think Eternal over corrected, cutscenes when you can skip them (something you couldn’t do in 2016), platforming which isn’t usually longer than a minute or two and is much more forgiving and varied than in 2016, and there are some other things but you get the idea.

I have my on issues with Eternal and I think there are things 2016 did better like no saves in MLs, the campaign (mainly dlc) nerfs in updates 5 and to a lesser extent 6 (in addition to some in a few minor updates), Eternal is also a fair bit buggier then 2016, unskipable cutscenes that show you where to go and can’t be turned off, Dark Lord boss fight, having to change between equipment makes zero sense, tag 2 is too easy, the 1st two mls aren’t very good, the unmakyer is trash and still got nerfed to not get infinite ammo with haste, I don’t think either game has phenomenal writing but I do think 2016’s was better though Olivia is a boring character with plot armor, and so on.

[reef bolt]

You sound very passionate. But you actually didn't list anything. Can you be specific

All you managed to do is list personal issues

[elder viper]

Oh yeah those criticisms where dumb I wasn’t referring to the “Marauders to hard” or the “Platforming doesn’t belong in Doom” crap I was making a joke mainly aimed at the people who refuse to believe this game has flaws.

You know stuff like bugs (to which this game has quite the catalog of)

[queen oasis]

Nah its perfect dawg, there feature trust me

[solar crown]

Any game has bugs tbf

[elder viper]

Yes but die hard fanboys don’t know how to accept that

Not all the bugs are even bad either

[solar crown]

Inconsistant punches are though ngl

old chainsaw targeting bug....

[elder viper]

There was also that buggy Meathook colliding with ammo and health drop bug thing

But things like dashing into sloped surfaces to go flying or Yeethooking are straight up cool

[solar crown]

Oh no it wasnt meathook

[elder viper]

?

[solar crown]

It was anything, most notably ballista

[reef bolt]

Yes we do

[elder viper]

Not everyone. If you do that’s great

[autumn mortar]

Yea but Eternal’s bugs often things like soft locks even now on the most recent patch I can think of several off the top of my head.

Not to mention audio bugs and for the longest time the game was plagued with crashes made even worse by the lack of ML saves. There are other issues but you get the point.

[autumn mortar]

I was showing the game had both plenty of poor and valid criticism. The first half was the poor criticism or criticism I heavily disagree with and the second half was the more valid criticism.

But I mainly did this cause I’ll sometimes see people that seem to think all criticism is completely valid. Not necessarily for just this game but in general.

[spark verge]

doom is obviously at the point where there’s no way to please everyone

everyone wants something different, everyone’s played different mods and played the games in their own ways

I personally think eternal is like the best logical sequel, like it could have gone SO much worse fundamentally

[autumn mortar]

Yea the best thing they can do is work on another IP whether it be already established or brand new (but not bad new like rage).

[elder viper]

Working on a new IP is a good choice imo. Gives a nice change of pace as well to ensure people don’t get burnt out of having so much Doom.

[zenith cairn]

for sure. I wonder how they will please both experienced players and new players in the next game

Atleast most people agreed that TAG2 story got kinda messy so I wonder how they will go about that whenever there comes a new doom game

[reef bolt]

Don't think people would get burnt out if it Is a 3 to 4 year cycle

Which it seems like it will be

[solar crown]

MEGAdavoth who resets the universe ofc

[zenith cairn]

glad to see the number 1 davoth fan is still active here

[solar crown]

People like davoth???

[elder viper]

Still think a change of pace is good

Going Doom Doom New IP Doom sounds better then Doom Doom Doom Doom

[reef bolt]

Well with doom doom doom doom I'd be close to my 50s so that doesn't sound bad

New ip is great though but I feel a 3 or more year cycle helps too

[spark verge]

Im one of the few people who really enjoyed tag2 lol

luckily I played it as soon as possible so I hadnt had the chance to be convinced of other peoples opinions of it, and I saw it as a really nice break from the super difficult challenges and just some fun gameplay that feels good, I mean, I wouldnt even consider it that easy, just not bs level of difficulty like some of the other stuff

final level got me so hyped

[autumn mortar]

I could talk about all the issues I have with TAG 2 and the design philosophy around it in comparison to the base game and TAG 1, but I think it’s been done to death already.

[elder viper]

“QUAKE REBOOT”

[autumn mortar]

Glares pitifully at Quake Champions

[hidden trellis]

quake just got rebooted like 2 weeks ago

||(quake champions went out of early access)||

yeah

they didn't announce it or change anything once it went out of EA though (besides for the steam banners)

i wouldn't be surprised if they just forgot to remove the early access header for 5 years then suddenly remembered when they were bringing all of the champions to Game Pass

probably not

but it would be cool if it did

[autumn mortar]

If it’s still dead I’d doubt it.

Having different characters in a Quake game will always have been a poor decision in my mind.

[elder viper]

Took it long enough. But I mean a Quake 1 reboot. Bring back and reimagine the world of the original Quake as it was never expanded on as much as the world of Quake 2 and it’s sequels. I want them to flesh out Ranger (Or at least how he got to Shubby Nubby’s domain) alongside the monsters and structures of Quake.

Since Ranger is such a bare character they could also outright change his occupation as well. Take more influence from the Lovecraft side of Quake instead of just “Doom but 3D and some medieval and Nordic stuff”

[zenith cairn]

i was talking more about the story side not the gameplay. while the opinion on gameplay was divided it was pretty clear that most people didn't like how the story went

[solar crown]

Tag2 on it's way to retcon the story and just turn it worse cause of time constraints

[spark verge]

oh yeah that was weird tbh

like I think I kinda wasn’t expecting any modern doom games to actually impact something in the originals story

well more like, have an actual ending because doom16 and eternal main ending are just “doomguy is teleported away” or “doomguy walks away”

[zenith cairn]

Doom16 ending was so good tho

[ionic depot]

doom16 was just doomguy getting launched into backstory world

could see the next game about where he was teleported away

[solar crown]

I think it's better to just put that in a comic lorebook

[mild apex]

More doom games now

[shrewd apex]

samuel hayden fucks up: a DOOM story

[woven siren]

i like quake 1 more when there's not much information on the stuff you're fighting or about the game in general

[reef bolt]

Funny enough 2016 was supposed to have a campaign dlc but apparently it was decided that a new game would be better

[solar crown]

based

[elder viper]

I’m imagining a DLC that is just the events of Eternal but watered down and worse to meet a deadline before the game turns 1 year old

Cause reaching the deadline is more important then delaying to polish up a DLC’s story

[reef bolt]

My thoughts exactly but that gap dlc even short would have been nice

[feral plover]

Idea: doomguy takes a nap

[autumn mortar]

Imagine if their next game was Commander Keen

[twilit relic]

make the arachnotron or the cyberdemon palyable

[feral plover]

They Should Add Keyboard And Mouse To Console. That Would Be Cool.

[solar crown]

If sony and microsoft both just made M&KB support native it would be better

Cause if so many devs dont include it then it probably is just too cumbersome to include

[glacial dove]

Eh not really

The consoles both already fully support it

It comes down to just devs making sure it’s part of the console version

[solar crown]

https://tenor.com/view/blinking-guy-blinks-eyes-blinking-meme-surprised-drew-scanlon-gif-21139379

[glacial dove]

Same thing with gyro and how why do devs only add it for switch but not PlayStation

Even though both fully support gyro

I’m sure it’s still a little work to add. But it wouldn’t be anything overly crazy or difficult especially when pc has the actual layout and code already for the same game

[solar crown]

In that case.... can't they just literally copy the movement keys?? PC and console these days (well, xbox and playstation) arent that hugely disconnected from the pc code wise right???

[glacial dove]

Copy paste not quite. But I’m sure it’s only slightly harder than that

Mostly comes down to if they feel like it or not really

[solar crown]

Well that sucks

It probably is not included because console players dont expect it to begin with, so not having it is normal

Yayyyy i love accepting lack of quality which makes everything worse

[feral plover]

Oh. I Didn't Get That It Was Just If They Wanted To Or Not. I Thought They Had To Rework Most Of The Controls and Do This And That. I Thought It Was A While Process.

[glacial dove]

That’s the one biggest thing

On pc the assumption is everyone is on keyboard and mouse so who cares if some use controller

Meanwhile on console the assumption is most are on controller. So keyboard and mouse could be an unfair advantage in some situations.

Some games don’t care at all and just allow a Crossplay mosh pit ( imo this is the golden plan. Let people play how they want who cares)

[solar crown]

Honestly the best solution would be crossplay between controller users and keyboard users

[glacial dove]

Crossplay without caring is the best choice

Nowadays controller gets enough options that imo it is definitely way more competitive than before

[solar crown]

Tbf my perpesctive is solely FPS, cause with mouse it's so much better to aim

Unless you're like top tier with controller it's quite clear when you see it

[glacial dove]

In some ways yes: but like I said I feel enough controller sensitivity options have been added that it’s way more competitive now

And since the 80% of players are only average or less then there’s always more bad than good

So the odds of facing a controller or keyboard god is low

Eternals reasoning was “fine”

Battlemode being the biggest reason no keyboard and mouse since keyboard swaps is way better than controller

Or rather used to be

Now that controller can set binds controller is again competitive

All comes down to how much effort devs want to or can put in really

In the future I hope everyone goes for more Crossplay and input doesn’t matter

[dense spear]

Yea quickswap with controller sucks

It likes to think you pulled the wheel up and switches to a random weapon

And I'm extremely aggressive and play on max sensitivity and it really kills the flow

And kills me

[reef bolt]

It's all personal skill here. Sucks for you because you suck at it and so on. I've had this argument for a while

[torn smelt]

I think it would be cool if the next doom game was an open world game set in hell describing how the slayer found the sentinels and the makyrs. Some key things that I think would need to be in the game would be, the slayer making the meathook, this should take place after the slayer finds the sentinels and has a "home base", I think the slayer should start off not being able to glory kill without a berserk powerup at the start as he has not gotten his legendary strength from the Seraphim yet, but berserk powerups shouldn't be scarce near the start. The slayer should still get his legendary strength about halfway through from the Seraphim. The open world should just have imps and cacodemons scattered around, the double jump and dash should come back but I can't think of a suitable explanation to include them.

[ionic depot]

Open world doom where doomguy just scours the umbral plains and murdering everything

[solar crown]

Open world doom sounds like shit

Unless you rempve the arena shooting... which would be kinda off

[torn smelt]

I was thinking stuff like gore nests could trigger arena encounters like in 2016 where you could get something after beating them

[solar crown]

Yeah but why not have bit more open and varied levels with arena instead of having to walk over usually random boring plains to get to the next marker on your map

[torn smelt]

The random imps are for when you eventually get the meat hook

[solar crown]

Ok so your entire movement on the map is solely meathook, sounds boring

Just having a normal level like structure still sounds wayyy better

[restive rain]

I honestly agree with Mayo tho, the meathook has to go. We can't have Doom eternal 2, it wouldn't be what we want. Doom 2016 made a formula, eternal is the limit of it.

I think it follow a pattern, if Doom 4 was the modern Doom 93' then eternal would be Doom 2 with it's faster pace. I honestly think this next one will be closer to Doom 3.

[true cave]

more likley closer to 64

[restive rain]

maybe although imo, doom 64 plays too much like doom 2 and 93' with a different coat of paint.

[elder viper]

sounds pretty boring ngl

[ionic depot]

True

[elder viper]

Something I've seen a lot in this chat. Idk why people think a Doom game where you do one tiny thing he did in the Codex would be fun. Like "Scouring the Umbral Plains". Literally no one would actually want to play that

Also another point Open World ≠ Better Game. Very few games can make open world good. A linear shooter like Doom would be absolutely horrible as an open world game.

[dense patrol]

agreed, doom 2016 and doom eternal both set out to change things up in a time when linear, heavily scripted shooters and sterile empty open worlds were everywhere

it would feel disingenuous imo

[elder viper]

Lets lay some points down

Open World ≠ Better Game
VR ≠ Better Game
Ray-Tracing ≠ Better Game
Multiplayer ≠ Better Game
(Especially for this community) DOOM HAVING A STORY ≠ A Bad Game

[dense patrol]

VR was already attempted, no?

I don't own a VR headset but it didn't go very well, I'm told

[elder viper]

Yep Doom VFR is just weird. Doom 3 VR was good from what I’ve heard. Yet every so often I see someone say DOOM Eternal VR would be amazing

I imagine this comes from people who haven’t actually played VR and realize how nauseating that would be

[dense patrol]

I didn't realise doom 3 had a VR option- is that a mod? I'd love to play that imo

[elder viper]

It’s official for PSVR

[dense patrol]

Huh, nice!

[elder viper]

Sadly though I own a Quest 2 so unless someone ported it to PC I can’t play it

[dense patrol]

yeah I feel that lol

my brother's got a VR headset, I've tried it when I visit. I think for a game like eternal nausea wouldn't be as big an issue as falling over or getting tangled up in the cables

[elder viper]

For me personally the Quest 2 is wireless so I’ve never had to deal with cables. Though I can really only play for about 3 hours max before I start to feel nauseas. If a game doesn’t have snap turning or nausea reducing options I might be only able to play for an hour 45 max before needing to take a break

There are some great experiences on there and being able to use Steam VR as well ties the whole thing together

[dense patrol]

Neat! I didn't realise there were wireless ones now

that's fair enough tho, it doesn't make me nauseous but I do find it very disorienting and I can absolutely see how it could really fuck with you

[feral plover]

Since The End of Tag Was The "End" Of The Slayer They Should Make A Prequel Where The Slayer Is Human And Has A Family. (AThe Rest Of The Lore Happens) The Slayer Finds His Family Dead. Goes On A Rampage. Then The Metal Starts.

I Think That Would Be Pretty Dope

A Prequel To DOOM 1 btw

[autumn mortar]

In the sequel the Doom Slayer gets fat due to not having any demons to kill and charges through enemies like a monster truck.

[elder viper]

That “going on a rampage” part would literally just be Doom II

[reef bolt]

Yeah ...

[elder viper]

What lore is there to be told? Daisy was Doomguys rabbit which was killed by the demons and is Doomguy's reason to kill the demons in Doom II. Same story with his family. Nothing deeper.

[wild shell]

Honestly I really want a new Quake

See how the gothic horror could be realized in modern graphics

Like Doom 3, but faster?

[elder viper]

FINALLY! SOMEONE ELSE HAS SAID IT!

[reef bolt]

It'll just play like new doom

[elder viper]

Probably I have my own ideas about combat but more so I just wanna see Quake 1’s world expanded

Don’t crush my dreams of a Quake 1 reboot

[reef bolt]

Never. I also love it

[autumn mortar]

Hopefully less boring too

[nimble loom]

Quake 4 2???

[feral plover]

hopefully the next doom game is f2p. it would be cool if the main campaign got consistent updates and expansions. like imagine all the cool cosmetics.

[nimble loom]

What no

[feral plover]

why?

[nimble loom]

I shouldn't even have to explain

[feral plover]

but having something free is more enjoyable an accessible. i dont feel like paying for the next installment or pirating the game...

halo is free. doom should follow suit

[nimble loom]

halo also has horrible monetization

[feral plover]

well just dont buy the cosmetics

[nimble loom]

Its a multiplayer game about customization

[feral plover]

maybe they can make the next doom games multiplayer free

[nimble loom]

there is very little other ways to relieve customization

[feral plover]

make horde and multiplayer free. and just have the campaign paid for

[nimble loom]

ah, so you didnt play halo infinite?

[vivid sparrow]

Fix the glitches that don’t allow you to equip all arcfile stuff

[elder viper]

It won’t. The main campaign getting consistent updates would be horrible since they would have to drag out the games story a ton which gives you a boring game waiting for the next update.

Screw cosmetics having the campaign update regularly is a terrible idea

Game would end up like Destiny 2 but with demons

Personally I would prefer the next Doom game have no season pass or cosmetics

And bring back a refined version of 2016 deathmatch

[dense spear]

Yea I'm not a big battlemode fan

Especially when I'm slayer because I hate not having any teammates

I actually unlocked most of the multi-player stuff in 2016

[solar crown]

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-despair-xqcdespair-voidge-troll-gif-24691555

[elder viper]

#the-future users coming up with the most random and terrible ideas ever

[solar crown]

Lets turn the next doongame in an obnoxious mobile game!!!!

[elder viper]

Let’s turn the next doom game into a vr only cause everything needs to be vr

vr’s so cool guys right!1!111!1!!!!1!

[feral plover]

This gif is perfection. Free to play ruins games in one way or another, I hope to god it does not go free to play.

[elder viper]

Battle Royals and mobile games work best with the f2p format. Everything else just wouldn’t work

Halo Infinite tried it and was weird as shit

[solar crown]

battle royal can work perfectly fine if it's normal aswel

[elder viper]

Apex Legends and Fortnite do the f2p model really well

[feral plover]

Even battle royales like fg became worse when they went free to play. So it doesn’t always work either there. Destiny 2 wasn’t as good as one, I preordered that game and although it is now free tbh the game just wasn’t as good as destiny 1, which tbh isn’t exactly f2p systems fault. Lots of free to play games will become pay to win and have unnecessary cosmetics being sold at very bad prices. Fall guys quality went down, the moment the released free to play, and what is sad that it was free in 2020 to playstation users and the free to play (2022) was the buggiest update to be seen…

And then ofc lots of the games like rogue company that is also free to play will have massive issues in general. It’s usually best that the game costs at least a little bit in terms of development as well. It obviously is largely up to studios how the game will be patched out and taken care of, but most games that go free to play from previously costing don’t benefit from it in terms of quality for the said game. Mobile games can be different though in a sense (since people are used to the pay to win model) but console games it’s usually a red flag except for very few

[elder viper]

I think f2p isn’t necessarily a bad mode as long as the game isn’t p2w. Cosmetics are fine as long as they don’t give people who buy them an advantage over others

Some games do this on accident though. Warzone had a skin that was pitch black which let people hide in dark corners making the insides of buildings a great spot for campers

[solar crown]

too many cosmetics can become such bloating though

like i dont want to spend 20 bucks for 1 fucking skin with no real way to get it for free lmfao

[feral plover]

Yeah this ends up happening. Also the fact some skins will be exclusive bought with money with no real free way to acquire them. What do you think you’re likely to do if you really play game lots of hours? Most likely buy them. And in general with free to play there is more cheating and shady stuff going on because it is accessible.

[elder viper]

Yep. Activision didn’t do shit about that pitch black skin. Supposedly they made it slightly brighter but you can’t tell at all. Warzone fell off anyway.

Anyhoo let’s get back to Doom now shall we?

[feral plover]

Yup. Just saying I hope sincerely it never becomes free to play game, whatever they decide to do is cool, I’m sure they will make it unique like they did eternal. It surprised me since it doesn’t follow other fps suit. Like game can have free weekends etc. but free to play completely is usually not a good idea.

[elder viper]

I highly doubt it’ll be free to play so where probably good

[nimble loom]

Doom VFR 2???

[dense spear]

That was ass though

We need an actual new vr made doom game

Not some half assed port

[restive rain]

it didn't really play so much like a half assed port as much as an experiment into vr that just didn't work. It tried and failed to be a good vr game.

[dense spear]

Yea because there was little effort

It was basically just ported into vr

[restive rain]

A half assed port would be something like Skyrim VR where it's doing bare minimum to make it vr.

[dense spear]

I don't have a PC so I just play vr games on the quest 2 but I still have a blast with games like blade and sorcery

[restive rain]

Vr games like that give vr it's bad rep :p

[dense spear]

Battle talent is awesome too, and it's free since it's a beta rn

Definitely gonna buy it when/if they full release it

[restive rain]

I'm still waiting to play with a decent setup lmao

[dense spear]

Better than no set up

[restive rain]

My setup is truly the most cursed thing on the planet.

[dense spear]

Mine is worse #battlestations

Because it doesn't exist

[restive rain]

It's a PSVR, using joycons for controllers, and a kinect for tracking.

[dense spear]

Yikes

Psvr is pretty ass

If you ever have an extra 300 or 200 if you get the 64gb version get the quest 2

No requirements needed

[restive rain]

All setup to a decent pc. Kind of the fun stuff of being still with your parents because college is expensive and still not a state registered nurse despite completing school, clinicals, and one of my state tests.

[dense spear]

Just need to sign in with face book and off you go

Oh

When I'm out of high-school I'm going in the marines for that sweet sweet free 4 years of college after I think it's like 4 years in it

I'll figure it out when I get there

[restive rain]

Nice, I'm hoping to be working in the hospital by end of the month. $17 an hour, 4 12 hour shifts.

Wish you luck for the Marines.

[dense spear]

Yea I've got 4 years until then

My mom recently became an RN

[restive rain]

Nice, I'm just a CNA, nurse aide. I don't have the time to go through more schooling for my RN currently. Gotta get out on my own :p

[dense spear]

Alright see ya

[reef bolt]

I have the best set up

Ever

[dense spear]

No

[elder viper]

Or just accept the fact that Doom is not meant for VR

[dense spear]

It can be if it's made well

[elder viper]

doubt

[dense spear]

Have you even played enough vr to have a full experience?

It seems not

[elder viper]

I own a Quest 2 so yes I have played VR

[dense spear]

How much?

And what games?

[solar crown]

Not at all with how it currently is

Too many buttons, too many actions, and for eternal too fast

[elder viper]

Superhot, a bit of Half-Life Alyx, Vader Immortal Episode 1, Rec Room, VRChat, Richies Plank Experience, Beat Saber, Gun Raiders, Pavlov. Those are all I remember off the top of my head

[dense spear]

Yea don't play rec room lmao

8 year old yelling and screeching

[elder viper]

That’s the best part

[dense spear]

How you tried blade and sorcery?

Have

[elder viper]

A friend has it on his which I played, great game 👍

[dense spear]

Outstanding game yea

One of my favorites in vr

[feral plover]

Pavlov is great

[dense spear]

No

[feral plover]

Yes it is

[dense spear]

Onward better

[dense spear]

Doesn't have to be an eternal port

[feral plover]

Nah I think Pavlov bec the gore

[dense spear]

I mean a fully fledged vr doom

You can play doom on a controller

[elder viper]

Oh yeah also played Walking Dead Saints and Sinners and FNAF Help Wanted @dense spear

[dense spear]

S&S is a must have

[solar crown]

Nah but still, especially if next game is more complex too

[dense spear]

NOT A PORT OF A DOOM GAME

I FULLY MADE DOOM GAME FOR VR AND VR ONLY

[elder viper]

Classic Doom and Doom 3 translate better we can reach true DOOM Eternal VR as VR technology advances

[dense spear]

Not oh hey new doom game slap it on vr

[solar crown]

Isnt that what doom vfr was

[dense spear]

NO

This is the last time I'm gonna say the word port

[solar crown]

Cause it certainly wasnt just doom 2016 lmfao

[dense spear]

Vr should get more attention

There are so many awesome things you can do in vr

It's a whole different experience to have a sword fight in a game like b&s as to in a game like dark souls

Or to have a shoot out

You can also just do random goofy shit

#videos

And that game is completely free with a built in mod menu

[inner isle]

I propose that Doom 6's plot involves a depowered Slayer awakening once more (he's just "Guy" again now lmao) and rediscovering fear and what it felt like before he met the Sentinels

emphasis on the "rediscovering fear" bit as Aubrey Hodges would collaborate with Andrew Hulshult for this

maybe a scene where he tries to glory kill like he did back then but fails or has a hard time doing so because he doesn't have his powers anymore

then it ends up deconstructing the Slayer crap by having Doomguy realize he never needed those powers in the first place

from a gameplay standpoint this would also serve as a way of returning to something closer to actual classic Doom in terms of design and not anything like 2016 or Eternal's gameplay loops

there'd still be weapon mods but there'd be less emphasis gaining health and ammo from enemies (if not zero emphasis at all)

[elder viper]

He was already stupid strong before getting his powers. From Doom 1 up until 2016 Doomguy was just a regular marine he only became super human between the events of Doom 64 and DOOM 2016

[inner isle]

exactly

he was just really good with his skill and luck

I don't think he ever needed those powers

[elder viper]

So I doubt he would no fear again since even without his powers he would still be too much for Hell to handle considering how long he lasted in Hell before meeting the Sentinels

[inner isle]

he just happened to be really, really, really good at his job