speedrunning

[fringe pulsar]

Get your mind out of the gutters

[strong warren]

First enemy... Maybe 17 seconds

[waxen basalt]

If you have a rocket launcher at the start you could shoot the nearest wall and die immediately

[abstract inlet]

Could take like two hits

[waxen basalt]

If you got like Ultra Violence or Nightmare mode it might take just one if you're right up against a wall

[abstract inlet]

Yeah I looked it up and max RNG roll is enough to deal 288 damage

You're right

[dawn viper]

If you are setting up a condition that isn't just starting a new game on like Knee Deep in the Dead or something then just load up Scythe 2's Map 25 and fire your gun

[thorn cape]

e1m1 would be like 2 seconds theres like 2 barrels in the first room

[fringe pulsar]

My record is like 7 seconds.

In e1m1

[dapper marlin]

my top e1m1 speed run is 8 seconds

[full storm]

Mine is 5 but I killed no enemys

Acutely 6

[static frigate]

i think i can speedrun ultrakill 0-1

[fast crescent]

How fast i can pass te first level in doom 1

[chilly crescent]

My pb doom 2 map 1 is 7.26 seconds in uv speed

[ebon ginkgo]

this is DOOM server

my record 1 map doom 2 is 14 sec

[pulsar pivot]

What do you think of the idea of a barrel% category for classic doom?

[pulsar pivot]

Sub 12 is doable for most, sub 11 is harder, I have a 10.xx. wr is sub 9

[chrome raft]

Hey guys

I am pretty new to the doom community

[pulsar pivot]

Hello

What games do you like to Speedrun?

[chrome raft]

I only have one now it’s the 2016 one but I am gonna buy Eternal

[pulsar pivot]

Nice

[pulsar pivot]

Are you talking about map 1?

[ebon ginkgo]

im talking about first level

[pulsar pivot]

Entryway?

[ebon ginkgo]

im rus, bad know eng

[pulsar pivot]

The one with the imp at the end?

[ebon ginkgo]

yes

[pulsar pivot]

I have a 7.22

[ebon ginkgo]

nice, im play doom 2 on very old pc. its cool

[static frigate]

omg the thingy

[ebon ginkgo]

What

Happy Easter

[fringe pulsar]

How does one do full bright in uzdoom

[granite falcon]

@fringe pulsar ligth amplification googles

[leaden sage]

If you held a pizza roll in your hand and a atomic bomb was dropped 2 miles away, the pizza roll would be perfectly cooked.

[lean raven]

maybe you would too

[rough loom]

Not a maybe Lincoln will be cooked

[blissful canyon]

Does anyone know how to speed run super gore nest ultra nightmare on master level?

I've seen someone do some kind of glitch in youtube where they glitched under the map in the room you spawn in

[bitter ravine]

https://www.speedrun.com/doot_eternal?h=Master_Levels-super-gore-nest-restricted-ultra-nightmare&x=5dwqgq5d-38dwy24n.8140n8kq-e8m604el.z19ow641-ylqq0r7l.klrorvwl

This will probably be your best resource. Look up some of the names on YouTube, along with other stuff you want, like "Super gore nest master level", and "unrestricted" or "any%"

[blissful canyon]

Thank you. But I've already found a way to skip the first encounter using the meat hook and crushable on YouTube

[fleet sail]

speed

and shoot

all the things that makes man go fast

[vapid cloud]

Nice

[fleet sail]

@burnt crystal also, shouldnt #eternal-speedrunning be here aswell?

oh nevermind, you just did that

[burnt crystal]

[fossil thicket]

[thorn cape]

So, could I post my speedruns here or would that still go in #videos ?

[wind quartz]

Good question

[golden stream]

How do I get into doom speed running?

[thorn cape]

Well, first, learn how to record demos for your speedruns. Cyberdemon has a tutorial for that on YouTube.
If you dont know what source port to use, then use prboom+ or crispy doom.
Then.. Just choose any level you enjoy, and whatever category. Most people start with E1M1 of Ultimate Doom, but its not really recommended..

I recommend you join the Hell on Earth discord server to help you get started

[golden stream]

How much is prboom+?

[rapid shadow]

Since these channels allow posts Imma assume you are allowed to share your speedrun videos here

[thorn cape]

Its free

[golden stream]

What do I download it from?

[thorn cape]

But you need to buy doom first, if you havent

[golden stream]

On PC?

[thorn cape]

Doom isnt free, but source ports are

Theres a steam release of doom on PC. You can buy that first, and I recommend you do a casual playthrough first

Assuming you havent

[golden stream]

Yeah I have already 😂

[thorn cape]

You use the unity port that comes with steam atm I assume then?

Yeah, you can speedrun that, and there is a whole community of doom unity running on SRC and also the Console Doom Discord, though I'd recommend source port running and such :P
Its all personal preference though

Unity running is a bit different: unity had auto-SR50 mechanics, no demo recording (only video proof for runs), random angles, etc

Also, any% is a lot more popular than the pretty much standard UV on source

[thorn cape]

Ah alright, thanks

https://youtu.be/rCrP4WElxBM
Got this run a while back

[golden stream]

[vapid cloud]

Thicc spider

[astral whale]

I always struggle with the mastermind

[thorn cape]

https://youtu.be/-hrwuDFgFds

god, the grind for 8 is depressing
20,000+ attempts so far

at least, thats what I am estimating

[vapid cloud]

I can only get 11

[thorn cape]

literal amazing waste room to just mess up the second door by like 2 frames and get blocked by decoration 😕

[silk wing]

damn dude

you got dedication

[runic roost]

yo whats the world record for the doom 1 speed run

[silk rune]

the whole doom or an episode/level?

[runic roost]

whole doom

[thorn cape]

19:43 RTA

Not IGT as its episode format

[thorn cape]

Thanks 🙂

[runic roost]

dang almost 20 min speed run

[spark spire]

are these chats new?

also Im trying to get a 9 on hangar

[thorn cape]

Yeah theyre new, gl

[spark spire]

thx

[thorn cape]

https://youtu.be/U5NGOR7Q4TA
Considering how stupid this fail was, maybe its worth winging the rocket jump?

Not had much success winging it in practice, I'll have to experiment

[inland prism]

rip

[marble drift]

hello guys

anyone into the void glides of e2m6 ?

[spark spire]

watch zeromaster and try to do what he does

[marble drift]

just watching is pretty hard

especially as it looks like that ther is some (very difficult) pattern to learn to get such result

[golden stream]

you on about the rocket glide?

or the standard one?

[thorn cape]

The rocket glide?

[lime wasp]

Ole! Do you use a controller? Is so what one?

[thorn cape]

I have a written tutorial for that

[thorn cape]

Nah, I use KB+M

The void glide in the blue key area is just pretty much experimentation to see which angle and such works for you, itll never be as consistent as the rocket glide

[lime wasp]

You da man

[thorn cape]

The rocket glide is extremely consistent

[golden stream]

yeah the one in e2m6 halls of the damned

[thorn cape]

One sec

Wait, you play on the unity port, right? I recognize you

The rocket glide is done differently on unity than on regular, and unfortunately I'm not sure how to do it on unity 😅

[golden stream]

yeah im on unity

[golden stream]

is it? i watched dep’s run and it looks very similar to zero master’s run.

[thorn cape]

Yeah it looks similar but its way less consistent and still not completely the same, done at a slightly different angle

You could probably ask in the console doom discord, they'd tell you

[golden stream]

ah ok, i see

[thin marten]

new speedrun record for doom kneedeep in the dead on ITYTD using LZDoom is 8 minutes and 35 seconds

[vapid cloud]

what?

Speedruning on LZDOOM on ITYTD?

[thorn cape]

Ive seen a couple runs like that

[marble drift]

@aconfusedhuman can you send me the link to your tutorial on the rocket glide?

but actually i am more confused with the exit button then getting into the void

feels like smashing spacebar until you magically get the right angle to trick the doom engine

[golden stream]

Hey guys, for full game speed runs, am I allowed to sue the steam version of the game?

Or should I keep using Crispy Doom or a different port

[vapid cloud]

I think the unity ports have different leaderboards

Check on dsda

or doomworld

[thorn cape]

Unity speedruns are posted to SRC in their respective leaderboards

[thorn cape]

DMing you it

[junior island]

Didn’t realize the rocket void was exploitable on console. I’ve been running into a corner a lot : )

Those pinkies on UV are a mess

[thorn cape]

The rocket glide is probably unfeasible on controller tbh

you need to hold S and rapidly tap A for the setup to build momentum, and doing that on controller is uhhhhh hard

also with always run off

[golden stream]

Theres a speedrunning channel here?

thats pog

Should add the link for the unity port leaderboard to the top of this channel 👀

Oh I'm just now realizing its a new channel lol

[thorn cape]

I notice theres the SRC link for vanilla doom, wouldn't it make sense to put the DSDA link there too, mods?

[golden stream]

I just DM'ed him with the proper links.

[thorn cape]

Ah cool, also hey thief

[golden stream]

Should be DSDA, and the unity port.

Lol hey

[thorn cape]

Yeah, the SRC for vanilla doom is just there cause SRC is so big lol

Theres really no other reason its there apart from that

[golden stream]

It shouldn't be there at all.

No clue why it even is.

[thorn cape]

I think it just causes confusion tbh

the doom SRC has a link to the DSDA at least

[golden stream]

Yeah it absolutely does. I mean I guess it's okay for RTA runs but nothing more.

[thorn cape]

Yeah and the only RTA run for IWADs is ultimate doom, which is barely popular, let alone PWAD ones

[golden stream]

Yeah Sythe is on there too idk who the hell requested for that lmao

[thorn cape]

Well, scythe is pretty much the most popular PWAD full game run, so it makes sense

In general though, the SRC is just there for show, no real use heh

Maybe if it was made more clear that the actual platform was DSDA then it'd make more sense

Also, centiseconds are not counted on SRC, even though nowadays they are counted

[golden stream]

It does say on there that most runs are on DSDA

My thing is it shouldn't be there in the first place.

Also to anyone doing speedruns of doom unity, we DO have a category extentions board that hosts leaderboards for ALL of the add-ons released for the Unity port, also including the Unity speedrunning community-made WAD called project Unity which you can get there, and on doomworld and other places

[thorn cape]

https://youtu.be/B5jDStxq0W0

wack

nothing special happening really but I'm back on the grind, also more prepared than before :^)

[normal cove]

I believe in you.

[thorn cape]

Thanks man

After this, next stop will hopefully be TNT Map02 nightmare 100s..

Its really frustrating but I managed to get a couple good practice runs of it w/ saves

[golden stream]

gl

[golden stream]

New add-on for the Unity port will be added to the leaderboards in like an hour if anyone wants to run the new wad at any point.

I wanna play it a bit before I add it 👀

[golden stream]

Added https://www.speedrun.com/doom_unity_ce/full_game#Syringe

[golden stream]

Map 3 broke my soul on UV, no way I'd be able to run it

Glad to see the category up though!

[warm garden]

sun lust speed run now

[thorn cape]

Nevanos didnt get a sub 4, we were scammed 😔

[marble drift]

wow i just discovered tat playing ultimate doom on 1024x768 makes speedrunning so much easier

instead of 1920x1068!

*1080

[thorn cape]

yea a lot of top level runners play on 4:3, but still a lot of them do play 16:9 :^)

I used to play 16:9 but 4:3 has made things a lot easier. It just feels nicer, my glides are twice as fast, its even helped with stuff like e2m6 and TNT map10 zero press

[marble drift]

i can completely confirm that. i hit the damn exit switch on e2m6 like on the first try in 4:3

the mouse movement is so much more consistent

i guess it makes sense for a game designed for 480x320 to be a bit confused by mouse movement when running stretched on 1920x1080

[golden stream]

i always did it in 16:9

so i’ll try it in 4:3

[golden stream]

Idk if this is good or not, but I got an 8.74 on e3m6 and I'm proud of it lol

[golden stream]

what port are you using?

[golden stream]

Unity Port. I did it on console

Just got a 8.71

Now an 8.69
I'm slowly my making my way up 😄

[thorn cape]

I assume you are using the secret exit? gj

[golden stream]

Yup, just clicking it through the wall

[golden stream]

gg! I think record is like 6.4..? I'm not too sure.

That's crazy! I'm gonna have to watch the record

[thorn cape]

Its 6.43 by spec

Idk why he grinded that

[thorn cape]

https://youtu.be/n7ygZ8nNyeI

[stiff turret]

damn congrats

so far ancalagon is the only person to do NM100s right

aiming for that?

oh nvm A1s managed to beat ancalagon's time by a couple of milliseconds

[thorn cape]

Ya david did it too last year (A1s)

I'm not planning to beat Davids time, but considering that I have a 5:06 practice run I definitely could

My only goal is exit

WR would be nice though heh

[weak needle]

I have no experience in speed running

Do you have any tips for speed running?

Ive gotten really interested in it these past few years but never attempted it

[stiff turret]

Know map layout, secret locations too as well if ur gonna try a hand at UV Max or NM100s, know at least SR40 and SR50 for certain tricks or for full time use when you get better

these are just some general tips

[thorn cape]

Don't start on E1M1 is generally agreed with, choose a map you enjoy 🙂

You could try to get a 9 nomo, but thats really all I'd recommend for now

This is coming from someone with 20,000+ attempts grinding for an 8 🙃

[stiff turret]

damn 20,000+ attempts 😱

[devout dawn]

is that real decino

[leaden swift]

Has anyone beaten plutonia with only fists on nightmare?

[thorn cape]

No, id put all my money on that being impossible

It may as well be NM-pacifist

And that makes levels like 12, 08, 25, 17 and a lot more very unfeasible

[weak needle]

No i just like his pfp

[golden stream]

decino doesnt even use his yt pfp on discord lol

But yeah, basics of speed running. Learn the map, then go fast

[thorn cape]

https://youtu.be/pLl9RIq6wLA

https://youtu.be/6246A9Pd2UQ

2 of the easy plutonia NM100s 😄

[short quiver]

HEY! I did e1m1 on stream on 11 seconds

https://youtu.be/HyHIXBderWg hope you like the run, im quite new to doom speedrunning

[devout dawn]

is that a wr?

[thorn cape]

WR is 8.91

[thorn cape]

https://youtu.be/rcUnZAHbWuM

improved my time by 11 seconds with a new strat my friend told me about to skip the rocket launcher

I assume the limit is sub 35, but you'd need some good movement and godly RNG

I almost had a 36 but I ran OVER the exit in a separate run

I also thought about not bothering with killing the 2 chaingunners up the stairs

Didnt manage to get a successful run with that, even if I didnt get shredded by them

[marble drift]

does anyone else feel like dealing more damage to pinkies if walking backwards?

[thorn cape]

🤔

Direction shouldn't in anyway affect damage

[marble drift]

should but for some reason most of the time i get a pinky with 2 shots if i walk backwards

so either those are some weird concidences or there is something to it

[thorn cape]

Its a weird coincidence

[stiff turret]

feels bad

[thorn cape]

https://youtu.be/HLeHMtDVBMM

[thorn cape]

https://youtu.be/j7bq4Smgmoo

[golden stream]

:0

[inland prism]

a fucking speed running legend

at least for doom 👀

[stone trail]

Looper's been around for atleast a decade. He got into the scene and quickly set down a 23:25 in doom 2 crushing the previous time by 3 minutes. First run to implement really crazy tricks like the dead simple Rocket Jump.

[golden stream]

a cool Finnish guy!

[golden stream]

https://youtu.be/bgbw4wPOeu0

[golden stream]

Waits that's the current wr

I got a 17:31 a few days back

[golden stream]

i dont post or record anything, i just play

ill try to get close to that and record it

i time myself

my phone kek

i can probably shave about a second off because of the shitty timing method

not the most exact, but it lets me beat my own records

?

i stopped the stopwatch

and wrote the number down once i finished

i play every day and learn new strategies and get better at what i do

and i time myself and aim to beat my times

[thorn cape]

Yeah man I believe you of course :/
You are not fooling or impressing anyone

[tropic cipher]

Teach me your ways.

[marble drift]

@just_a_fren_red_army this timing method really sound uncomfortable

even tho your time sounds really impessing

[vapid cloud]

that time is more than impressive

its god like

[marble drift]

agreed

[vapid cloud]

@golden stream Record a demo

The next time you try to speedrun

[golden stream]

I told @thorn cape and sent him my note pad

[thorn cape]

Disclaimer, you shouldn't believe him until he has proof, cause a random dude pretty much holding a run faster than WR (17:31 RTA is faster than 17:29 IGT) is preposterous

And for such an insane run, I frankly wouldn't believe it until it'd get verified by the DSDA, considering its someone the community is not at all familiar with

[cedar thunder]

I beat doom 93 in 1 minute. Trust me. I timed myself

[golden stream]

You're a damn liar

[golden stream]

I'm posting my demo next time I run, believe me or not, it doesn't benefit either of us either way

[golden stream]

The wr is :29, I don't get it

I'm 2 seconds away

I'm good, but I'm not that good

I can't get those 2 seconds off, I've tried

[loud arch]

You gotta record it

[golden stream]

im gonna next next time i run

[thorn cape]

1. In such a long run, 2 seconds is not a lot of time to save, so the fact that you treat it as mission impossible shows that you have no idea what you are talking about.
2. I'll say this again; A 17:31 that was timed as an RTA, as in it was timed with an external timer, is likely faster than a 17:29 timed with in-game time.
   Just stop wasting your and my time

[golden stream]

really?

[thorn cape]

of course he didn't

[golden stream]

it is an impressive time but timing using your phone? i dunno man

[thorn cape]

Yea its an impressive time but the thing is, he didnt get it
He took a solid 10 minutes to explain to me one of the most crucial tricks in doom II running, which can be described in about 2 sentences, he apparently doesn't know how to record demos, he has auto run off apparently too

Yeah, sorry, but it didn't happen

[golden stream]

auto run off...

yeah i dont think it happened now

[thorn cape]

Yeah lmfao

And plus, even if he didnt say that, there is still no reason to believe it... It took looper about 3-4 months of grinding to get his first sub 17:30 from his first sub 18

And here is a guy saying "oH iM nOt ThAt GoOd", yet he has a 17:31 RTA according to him..

[golden stream]

and there's no proof of course

[thorn cape]

Yea

And even if he does come back with a demo, I won't be believing until it gets verified by the DSDA

But I do completely doubt he will come back with a demo :^)

[golden stream]

I'm not using a port with autorun

[golden stream]

You told me to be detailed so I tried to remember technical shit that I'm not good with

[marble drift]

actually aconfusedhuman is absolutely right. no explainations needed. a demo will do best :)

[golden stream]

Yeah, I'm posting the demo the next time I run

Currently going through new medication troubles

Risperidone is awful 🤡

[golden stream]

Any amount of time saved is a lot to me

[thorn cape]

You sent me like 1 or 2 sentences.

If you actually ran doom II, you'd be able to recall what zero presses are off of the top of your head.

[thorn cape]

There are many tricks in doom II which absolutely require SR50. The fact that you dont have auto-run, means that you comfortably use 5 inputs at a time for those tricks, and considering that 17:31 is a damn good time, you also need to have good movement, and what do you need for good movement? Consistent SR50 🙃
Its not impossible, but on top of all the other bullshit, it just screams liar

Also, chocolate doom DOES have auto-run. I think you'd look more into that if you speedran 🙃

Also, isnt it convenient that you are unable to run doom II when you are asked? 🤨

[golden stream]

I spent a while typing out a long paragraph of shit and then said fuck it

[golden stream]

tape.

[thorn cape]

Thats fair, but not enough to validate your claims 😅

[golden stream]

i'm not unable to run it, i'm unable to put in effort because i've been working on this for 6 years

friend passed away, we played doom together

honorary

[golden stream]

You're trying to get sympathy points from him. There's no way in hell someone would speedrun doom 2 with the intentions of obtaining a world record and not record a demo. You don't even carry proof you even play the game. So do everyone a favor and quit bullshitting

[golden stream]

I have no intention of obtaining a world record, I don't even follow that shit. This is purely based on my own skill and trying to improve.

Then what's the point of discussing your 17:31 run that likely doesn't even exist?

[loud arch]

This is new the #doom-eternal

[golden stream]

It's pretty obvious you're lying dude. You wouldn't discuss this run so much if you had no intention of showing it

If you want to learn how to speedrun doom 2, then we will gladly assist

I'm going the post the demo next time I run

I'm not stupid, I've been playing this series since UD

why would i have pages of notes, tips, reminders, etc, if i didn't play the game

believe me or not, this is entirely personal

[golden stream]

Yeah, I don't believe you

[loud arch]

Stop arguing it and get that demo if you have it

[golden stream]

I don't have a demo because I haven't done another run yet. I'm not interesting in arguing either, the entire point of this is honouring my friend who got me into doom in the first place

[inland prism]

👀

[inland prism]

you use excuses to get out of something you can't prove

[thorn cape]

yea

[inland prism]

oh hi aconfused

ily <3

[thorn cape]

He also told me that he broke 3 fingers :|

Yo

[inland prism]

lmao then its literally impossible to keep a consistant sr50 tho. right?

like throughout the whole run

with 0 autorun??

1000% cap

[thorn cape]

He told me he used tape, which is believable

But thats the only believable thing hes said 😂

[inland prism]

hm

[golden stream]

i think it's pretty clear now 😔

[inland prism]

he said he recorded with his phone?

[thorn cape]

No he never recorded

[inland prism]

oh timed it my bad

[thorn cape]

Yeah

[inland prism]

wait but even then its inconsistant because you have to take the time to start and stop the stopwatch

a solid second for both

[golden stream]

yup

[thorn cape]

Pretty shocked he thought he could fool someone from the speedrunning community, heh

[inland prism]

kekw, hows ur e1m1 time btw

[thorn cape]

4 9.06s

[inland prism]

damnnnnn you gettin super close!

[thorn cape]

And, unlike him, I have video and demo proof 🙃

[inland prism]

i casually did it a couple times and got 13 seconds but again that was casual and i didnt spend time on it

[inland prism]

which is all on your youtube page

[thorn cape]

Yep 😄
Ive taken a break from it though

[inland prism]

yeah its important to take breaks :P

[thorn cape]

I'm currently doing sunlust UV-max and TNT map09 nightmare 100% secrets

[inland prism]

whats ur time on that

[thorn cape]

I dont have any successful run yet

[inland prism]

sadge

[thorn cape]

Its the kind of run where you beat it one, and only once

Currently only 2 people have beat it

[inland prism]

i see, like swim with the whales' last level or godmachine?

[thorn cape]

Harder

[inland prism]

[golden stream]

that's insane

[inland prism]

goddam, i havent actually played tnt cuz i heard it sucks but.. jesus

[thorn cape]

Yeah, its extremely unbalanced..

I have a couple progress vids on my channel

[inland prism]

plutonia i found kinda hard tho

[thorn cape]

I have 1200 attempts racked in on TNT map09 so far

[inland prism]

i rarely record doom demos but when i do its for either showing someone something or attempting something

[thorn cape]

I'm friends with the second guy who did it, it took him 4176 attempts LOL

[inland prism]

goddam

how close have you gotten?

[thorn cape]

I'll DM you the demo file

[inland prism]

aight

[golden stream]

Doing a blood run a while ago, before this run

I don't record because the entire point of this is honour my best friend by becoming the best

[golden stream]

This

[inland prism]

sorry i only recieve pings from non cappers

[golden stream]

Kek

[inland prism]

no

🤮

[golden stream]

Giving shrek some head 😏

[inland prism]

record and send the demo

and get it validated by the charts

id love to see it

[golden stream]

That's the plan

[inland prism]

well what are you waiting on? go on

[golden stream]

Most of it is just abusing my stairclip

Kek

[inland prism]

@golden stream u said you were doing choco doom, right? so no mouse?

[golden stream]

You can use the mouse with choco?

[inland prism]

...you are doing kb only? id love to see this demo

[golden stream]

What?

I'm being sarcastic mate

Kb only is just annoying and tiring

ok what

[inland prism]

i genuinley feel like youve never played doom

[golden stream]

Go to setup, same as the og disk

Remap controls

I've been playing doom for almost 15 years

[inland prism]

15 years and you dont use autorun, also you do realize how many months a world record speedrun takes

[golden stream]

I've been running for 6 years

[inland prism]

look im done talking i just want to see your demo

[golden stream]

I play like I played with Matt

Same control layout, same precautions

[inland prism]

literally NO ONE has went for a world record speedrun without recording

[golden stream]

I'm not going for a wr

I didn't even know what the record was

[thorn cape]

Well you clearly have one :|

[golden stream]

I'm not a competitive or dominant person

[thorn cape]

17:31 RTA is pretty much faster than 17:29 IGT

[golden stream]

I do not want a wr

[inland prism]

dude thats nice and all but lets see the demo, stop stalling

[thorn cape]

He won't have a demo, let's just leave it, hes getting the attention he wants 😅

[golden stream]

I haven't done another run you troglodyte

[golden stream]

Not a guy

[inland prism]

tru

[thorn cape]

Besides the point LOL

[golden stream]

I'm going to record a demo the next time I run

[inland prism]

o confused, you are actually really new to classic doom?

[thorn cape]

I first played in October 2020

[golden stream]

I've been playing this game for 15 years

right

I started w inferno tho

[inland prism]

yeah i first played only a few years ago, i dont speedrun tho... i prefer making maps

[thorn cape]

@golden stream I have an idea

[inland prism]

omg really?? :0

[thorn cape]

Go into the official DSDA server, and go make those claims there 🙂

[golden stream]

I used to be scared to go above hmp

I'm not that determined, competition isn't my strong suit

[thorn cape]

Then why have you been speedrunning for 6 years????

[golden stream]

I will record a demo, post it, and be done with that

[thorn cape]

bro just admit you dont have a 17:31, its not that hard

[golden stream]

My friend Matt who got me into doom overdosed, I wanted to honour him, and because I can't go out into public often or do much athletic shit like he did, I decided to do this

I kinda lost my shit after I lost him though and locked myself in my room playing for 3 days straight

I don't shoot for a wr, I shoot to honour my best friend

I have his disk and control layout even

It's not my problem if you don't believe me, I'm not trying to get attention and shit for this run

I want to be a member of this community like everyone else

That's not all I am

Fucks sake I have his initials cut into my arm

[inland prism]

this isnt about matt, this is about you lying

guilty unless proven innocent

[golden stream]

I respect that

The point of coming here wasn't to talk about running, it was just to find some friends and a community

[inland prism]

lying about a time and then not backing it up isnt a good way to make friends

[golden stream]

Believe that I lied or not, it's not my problem.

I don't want to argue or fight, I just want to be friends

[inland prism]

.

[golden stream]

I have no reason to back it up to anyone other than aconfusedhuman

I told him that I would show him, so I will

I'm not here to prove myself

[inland prism]

then why make a claim that causes others to want you to prove yourself

its like going into a bakery and saying you made the best dessert ever

and then not showing them the dessert

[golden stream]

I don't understand social shit

I expected someone to say cool

[inland prism]

again, lets say its a bakery. we care about this sorta thing so we CARE what people do, if you said that to someone who doesnt like baking as much as something else they might say "cool"

again why i used the bakery as an example

[golden stream]

Oh ok

I'm sorry then, I didn't mean to cause frustration

[marble drift]

i don't get those frustrations. demo or it didn't happen.

no need to argue actually

[thorn cape]

https://youtu.be/noTg20ZgRyY

Very rusty, with very bad bumps
The only reason the time came out half decent is because of an insanely fast keygrab pretty much..

24-25 is possible

The movement of this map, its stupidly rough, way too easy to mess up

[loud arch]

are there like no monsters in this map?

[thorn cape]

I am speedrunning a category called NoMo

[loud arch]

oh ok

[thorn cape]

Which means No Monsters

Usually, the level does have monsters

I got a 39 second UV-speed on it but it was very rusty so I didnt upload it

I guess the UV time can go down to sub 35

[loud arch]

nice

[vapid cloud]

Map05 of tnt has no monsters? That level gives me nightmares, so many freaking hitscanners

[loud arch]

yeah he was doing nomo which was why i was confused

[vapid cloud]

ye I got it

just wanted to share my frustation with this level

[golden stream]

I'm going to attempt a wr of doom forever

Posting it to yt if I can get my tape recorder to work

[thorn cape]

https://youtu.be/TBEl5UK6Jt4

[vapid cloud]

Pretty fast glide

I always take like 1 minute

[golden stream]

I just now caught up with the dude claiming to have a 17:31 on Doom II and I'm laughing so god damn hard my side hurts

No vid no did lmao simple as that

It's obvious it's a troll lol

[vapid cloud]

Hes been saying that hes gonna make a demo. But so far, nothing to see

[thorn cape]

I assume you did it on doom II map02?

[vapid cloud]

yep

[thorn cape]

thats a west glide, this is a southern glide

Southern glides are harder to get because you require more speed to get them, making them more inconsistent and inconsiderate with how you approach it 😕

It makes them a bit of a pain

Though northern and eastern glides are the hardest

[thorn cape]

Lmao yea

Thats also why I kept smashing my head into the wall

For a west glide, you dont need to do that, but for a southern, repeatedly bashing yourself into the gap while moving your mouse up a bit does help your chances of getting it

[golden stream]

Just beat e1m1 in 3 seconds 😎

Jokes aside I can't get below 11. Kinda painful

[willow linden]

uv?

[golden stream]

Yeah

[willow linden]

that pretty good my record is 12 secs in e1m1 uv

idk how to do sr50

but i think i did it in my 12sec run

[golden stream]

SR50 happens when you are strafing using something like W and D, and then use the strafing keys to increase the speed

My lowest is 11.31

[thorn cape]

To SR50, you need to strafe as usual, but hold your strafe on key (the one that locks your view) and either hold your turn left key/turn right key in the direction you are running or move your mouse in the direction you are running

My lowest time is 9.06 (proof on DSDA and YT), I really need to cut off those 3 frames
If ya need tips then I'll try my best to help, but since you guys are getting 11-12, I think it may be good to focus improving your overall movement before trying to optimize such a stupid run

Some good movement based runs I think are E1M2 nomonsters, E1M5 nomonsters and doom II map12 nomonsters

[golden stream]

not bad

[thorn cape]

Its one of my worse runs 😂

Optimized WR should go down to 24-low 25

The only thing that is going for this run is the insane keygrab

Literally, getting a wobble that fast is very very rare

[golden stream]

https://youtu.be/q7gzUXxqGVc

[golden stream]

forgot to attach the demo lol

[loud arch]

Ooh

[mighty cloud]

How hard is it to beat doom 1/2 in under 2 hours (each game I mean, not both in under 2)

[loud arch]

Probably not too hard

[mighty cloud]

Does par time add up to 2 hours, or?

[loud arch]

I must’ve spent like 5 or so hours playing doom 1 on my first playthrough (looking for secrets, exploring, fighting monsters) so a serious speedrunner could do well under two hours probably

[loud arch]

Like in total

[mighty cloud]

What about a NOOB who doesn’t speedrun - LUL

I saw there’s an achievement for each game, that’s why I ask
Was debating on trying to do those

[loud arch]

You should go for it

Practice a little on each level individually first though

To get a model for how you’re gonna do it

@mighty cloud

[mighty cloud]

I’d have more confidence in doom 1 than 2 tbh. 2 is very mazey lol

[loud arch]

Yeah idk about two

[mighty cloud]

I mean I could follow a video but that’s lame

[stiff turret]

yeah but sometimes you just gotta resort to videos

i feel like to be honest if i really wanted to practice speedrunning then I would play map28 scythe

[mighty cloud]

Perhaps

[karmic oak]

https://youtu.be/a4frqkosePo

my computer is quite laggy with videos sorry

[golden stream]

I appreciate the effort, but even in GZDooM speedrunning vertical aiming isn't allowed

And it lagged at the wrong places, so it may be hard for some to believe it's for real

I couldn't even see the exploit that allowed you to skip half the level

[karmic oak]

it wasnt an exploit

[golden stream]

Did you jump?

[karmic oak]

its called pressing space
also, I'm not taking any criticism from someone with a swag peter griffin pfp

[golden stream]

Ok, it's not like I was taking a guy who "speedruns" on gzdoom seriously anyway

[karmic oak]

well you werent talking to a guy

[golden stream]

For the record, even zero master has never finished that map in that matter

So I'm smelling a liar

[karmic oak]

you realise the wr is actually 18 seconds?

the official one at least

[golden stream]

Yeah, offical one

I literally couldn't see if you jumped, pressed space, nothing

You didn't record a demo so I can't check the run myself

What a joke

[karmic oak]

I've never figured out how to make demos

[golden stream]

Well I guess you better learn

[karmic oak]

the joke here is you

[golden stream]

Because you could beat doom 2 in a second, but no demo, no business

They make you record demos specifically to make sure you aren't cheating

If you at least recorded a demo, I could check the run myself and excuse the poor video quality

[karmic oak]

ok then, then how do you make a demo

[golden stream]

Look it up for all I care, I don't feel like helping you out

This conversation is done

[karmic oak]

lmao dude just hates being wrong

dude probably thinks its too fast he cant even beat plutonia map 22 without making a video on it saying "its so hard its nearly impossible"

[golden stream]

im pretty sure vertical aiming and jumping isn't allowed in the more 'professional' doom speedrunning areas

[karmic oak]

I dont upload to speedrun.com or the doom forums

[golden stream]

aight then do what you want

[karmic oak]

I use whats available without cheating and just have fun with it because if we had to do all of this just because die-hards dont want to lose then its not a good hobby

[golden stream]

yeah just have fun basically

[karmic oak]

yeah

I hate the kind of people who complain when you arent doing exactly how they want it played

[golden stream]

Yeah

[thorn cape]

https://youtu.be/P4t-AsO9XC0

[mild seal]

there isn't an official ZDOOM speedrunning base as of now

but what the hell

[mild seal]

you can still shave off a second or two, judging from watching your video

[karmic oak]

I'm not the best

but its nice having a WR

[mild seal]

tbh, i wouldn't say it's a world record until you go around asking on GZDOOM forums

[karmic oak]

its faster than any time I can find on the level

[mild seal]

ok, i'll give you that

[karmic oak]

the fastest I found was 18 seconds

[mild seal]

but that's because most times you find use strict source ports

[karmic oak]

also, the reason its laggy is because I'm running a lenovo thinkpad this thing can barely run street fighter 5

[mild seal]

lol

i've got one of those as well

actually maybe an ideapad, idk

[thorn cape]

You can't really compare your 16 with the record of 18.91 by xepop; that run is strictly vanilla, and instead of jumping to the exit it uses this very stupid strategy of rocket jumping off of a chaingunner into the exit area teleporter, haha
Havent tried it myself but I wouldn't expect it to be a very fun run, considering the chaingunner may not teleport in straight away, the rocket jump also seems a bit too precise for consistent utilization :sweat_smile:

Havent watched that run, so I'm not sure how far it can go down with the same strats, but I am guessing a few frames at most

[stiff turret]

The reason why Gingle is mad is simply because WRs don't count unless you're using a vanilla sourceport. Jumping and vertical aim is strictly not allowed because it gives a huge advantage that breaks most of Doom's puzzles. Sure, you might have achieved a 16, but I could probably do that too and since it's not official, it's a UWR(Unofficial World Record) so basically no one would care that much anyway. Most UWRs are faked or use non-vanilla exploits.

[thorn cape]

Oh hey stasis

[stiff turret]

sup confusedhuman

[thorn cape]

I'm making a nice amount of progress on TNT map09 NM100s, btw 😄

[stiff turret]

ooh, that's great

[thorn cape]

I can get past both berserks fairly well

Its still stupid hard, but maybe 2-3 times a day I can do it

Also got to the rocket launcher a second time some days ago, had good health and a shotgunner completely messed up my run

Actually, I'll DM you that demo file, its actually hilarious

[stiff turret]

oh lmao

[thorn cape]

It looks like I take damage from my own rocket, but nope, its a shotgunner

[stiff turret]

its a great thing eternity can run boom demos but cant have other sourceports run its demons unless -vanilla parameter is launched too 😅

[thorn cape]

Basically, I'm ready to beat it, just need to wait till the time comes

[stiff turret]

you'll be the third person to do so

you can do it, i believe in you

[thorn cape]

Thanks, means a lot 😄

[stiff turret]

it's not exactly how "they want it played" its how it's needed to be played. Again, speedruns need to be vanilla to count, but again your record is a UWR

[karmic oak]

they only need to be theirs to be counted because they dont want change they wont admit that a jump button and being able to look at and down are important when speedrunning

[stiff turret]

if you want to play doom with vert aim and jumping, then do do, but don't call it doom, call it a doom-esque clone

[karmic oak]

dude

its doom, it has the same levels, guns, enemies

you just dont want to move on and allow change, grow up

[stiff turret]

however doom never did have jumping or vertical aim. The physics of GZDoom and the old dooms and the sourceports that emulate them are all different

[karmic oak]

so doom changed

[stiff turret]

when did I say that? I'm fine with jumping or vertical aim, but for speedrunning it a no-no.

[stiff turret]

yes, it did. Doom did change.

[karmic oak]

"dont call it doom" dude its literally just an update

its just an updated version of a game

[stiff turret]

I enjoy the modern dooms as much as I enjoy the classic ones. But play the modern Dooms if you want to have jumping and vertical aim. The classics are played best when there aren't any of these mechanics, but again, you do you

or better yet if you can't get the modern Dooms, play EOA and EOAE.

[karmic oak]

dude, this is just a speedrun that actively says its in gzdoom I never submitted it to any forums and I never said that it was classic doom, you're just complaining because you cant accept change in speedrunning

[stiff turret]

When was I stubborn?

please explain, I kept on saying "you do you"

do whatever you want to do

[karmic oak]

yes and you also said that I'm not playing doom because its not the exact same game

[stiff turret]

sure it counts as a speedrun, a speedrun is finishing a game or level of the game as fast as possible

[karmic oak]

then why isnt it doom

if we need the exact doom then source ports should be banned and to run you need to play update 1.0 of the original version running on msdos
but no, thats a stupid idea, just stop calling any difference "not doom"

[thorn cape]

Yes, we speedrunners enhance the game, but keep it vanilla in terms of physics and demo playback, thats why you can play with uncapped FPS, high res, etc, but can't do things that will break demo playback (jumping, crouching) or things which are considered cheating in general
I'm not here to tell you that you have to play vanilla doom 100%, cause you don't, but I'm not sure why you are being so hostile :thinking:

[karmic oak]

oh I dont know maybe that you called my speedrun "not real doom" because its just slightly different

[thorn cape]

I didnt say that

Our PFPs are similar :P

[karmic oak]

sorry, but I'm not reffering to you with this, you seem cool but the guy saying if its not exactly the same its not doom is a total dick

I'm gonna put this next bit in brackets with a trigger warning behind it

(t.w s*icide) ||look, he honestly reminds me of the people who go over to me, verbally abuse me then go "oh why are you so angry I said you do you" when I defend myself or prove them wrong, these people have nearly driven me to suicide and seeing someone be like this hurts because they just ignore the humanity and cling on to a broken game, its like if I only played fallout 4 without mods and said anyone who played it arent really playing the game, no they're enhancing the experience because its a broken game||

[cedar thunder]

No reason for the big fight guys. Just take a breather

[karmic oak]

I'm playing minecraft and I want to leave this, I showed off a cool speedrun I made because it made me happy to beat the world record but I just got yelled at because I used gzdoom

[cedar thunder]

If its a personal achievement for yourself you should feel proud. Don't feel bad

[stiff turret]

But to the eyes of others since its not vanilla it cant exactly be counted, mainly because of the strict set rules that probably aren't going to change anytime soon.

The reason why it doesn't really count as "Doom" is because GZDoom has different physics. Enemies behave differently, the The RNG table is totally different from vanilla. But even so calling it “not Doom” is a bit of a stretch, it’s only when you implement gameplay modifications when it really becomes “not Doom”, like Brutal Doom.

Blegh, Brutal Doom

[stiff turret]

If you're happy with your speedrun keep it

[stiff turret]

I'm a dick?

[karmic oak]

yes, most definitely

[stiff turret]

please explain, I've been mostly polite as far as I can tell, I’ve probably responded to you more normally than any other person other than Gougaru or aconfusedhuman

[cedar thunder]

You should feel proud of your achievements. However a good example I can give you as to why people will complain your record isn't real is something like Mario. Mario speedrunning. Let's say someone shatters a world record in Mario because they altered the visual field allowing this person to react and see better. Would this run officially count ? No. It wouldn't be considered a updated mechanic to a beloved game but borderline cheating and would offend speed runners. But its still a bad ass achievement and you should be proud of yourself

[stiff turret]

True. Building onto what Gougaru said, for example a person called John Kaleta found out a certain strategy to run faster in a game called Goldeneye. However, this angered most of the community and nearly destroyed the entire goldeneye speedrunning community as a result. It’s not that change isn’t bad, but change can still cause drastic changes that are both good and bad.

[karmic oak]

you said I'm not playing doom because its different I've been saying that over and over again you said I shouldnt speedrun because its a "no-no"

[stiff turret]

i didnt say you shouldn't speedrun pixel

[karmic oak]

I messed up with my words I meant you said that I shouldnt speedrun using it

[stiff turret]

if you want to speedrun do so, do it as you please on whatever you want. It's just that you're going to be shamed by other people for doing so.

It' your life, do what you want as you please. Other people may not like it but as long as it keeps you happy its completely fine

[karmic oak]

also, we use glitches that are "not the way its meant to be played" but they're fine

[stiff turret]

If you explain your side of the story and not come off as “hostile” then people may be more understanding to your point of view.

[karmic oak]

dude just look through my fucking messages I'm tired of repeating myself

if you dont want to look through then leave

[stiff turret]

Right, the “exploits” that are allowed is because they were naturally implemented into the game’s engines. Since they were already in the game itself, it justifies the use of them and since most runs have been using these “exploits for so long that they’ve become objectively optimal, it’s hard not to dissuade the use of them

[karmic oak]

look, I dont want to continue this, I just want to speedrun using the stuff I find fun

[stiff turret]

ugh, you're not seeing my point of view. Look, I know you're happy with your speedrun. Why be sad if someone trashes it? I've had terrible and shit speedruns too that I’m quite proud of. If you want to be in the doom community, then do so. It’s a great community. It’s just that… if you implement running and vertical aim in a game that’s 28 years old without it being there for said 28 years, then it’s going to cause problems among the experienced players.

But continue to speedrun Doom using GZDoom if you wish. If it makes you happy, that’s great!

[karmic oak]

if you're happy with your existence then why do you get angry if someone tells you to kys

because of the whole idea, the person decided that its not good enough so you fight back its just a natural human thing, defend yourself

[stiff turret]

I don’t want to continue this conversation either anymore. How about we… start over? It’s probably hard doing so after we’ve just had a huge argument, but we gotta forgive and forget. We’ve both made mistakes, and I’d like to make up for them.

[karmic oak]

I've forgiven and accepted, just dont say that because its different it doesnt belong

[stiff turret]

I won't say that. Change is good. But some people won't accept change, and you're going to have to look past that, just so you know.

[karmic oak]

I know that, but if I have to repeat myself over and over again, dont expect me to stay calm

I'm usually relaxed but me repeating myself or someone being a dick over and over again will make me angry

[stiff turret]

speaking of which, a main part of why doom is super fun is because it's moddable

shall i share some good doom mods you might enjoy playing?

GZDoom is able to run basically any mod

[karmic oak]

that actually sounds good

[stiff turret]

I'll give you one called EOA, short for Embers of Armageddon

it's DOOM 2016 remade in DOOM 1993

i think you'll enjoy it, and let's move this into #classic-doom

because we're kind of going off topic here

[mighty cloud]

Not trying to prolong this, but say this as a third party person with no bias (because I don’t speedrun LUL): the lag of the video, and, the fact that you could attempt to claim WR is what upsets people
People work hard to practice, strategize, and be efficient with their runs in any game - and when you just casually post “I got world record” without going through the same hoops everyone else did (such as a clear video) it upsets people reasonably so
That doesn’t mean you can’t have fun, it just means it’s unverified

Think of vertical aiming as.. a slight advantage.
Some mc speedrun communities have a max render distance I think IIRC, to level the playing field - to take away an advantage that some may have over others
Vertical aim lets you have a better view of tight shots and spacing for some jumps
And render distance in Minecraft lets you see farther and determine what biome is nearby.
Both trivial in nature to an extent, but when you’re talking about saving seconds, it isn’t so trivial

[mild seal]

and skipping the entire level without the precise rocket jump, just jumping

[golden stream]

You Insulted me every other time lmao. I would've helped you if you didn't do that, and I had to leave anyway.

I'm sorry if you've had trouble with that in the past. And Im sorry if I gave you geuine trouble. But I was constantly trying to check your run to make sure it was valid in any kind of manner, and you just got more and more upset.

[golden stream]

I'm sure we can both agree it's hard to maintain composure in a situation like that. Correct?

[loud arch]

That whole argument was fucked

[loud arch]

And yeah I think the other guy was over-defensive from the start

[golden stream]

I think we were both wrong to an extent. And there's room for improvement on both of our cases

[loud arch]

It was painful to read

[golden stream]

I 100% agree with that, lol

[golden stream]

Not too hard, especially if you're not going for 100%. In that case most levels could easily be beat in less than 3 minutes

[mighty cloud]

Perhaps- I’m really bad at doom 2 though

[novel marsh]

Just say the speedrun was with GZDoom and don’t call it official

GZDoom WR is fine, just nobody uses it for runs, as it doesn’t count due to the differences

This coming from someone who speedran hexen on chocolate (doom engine game) and uses GZDoom for main play

[haughty mirage]

chocolaté

[cedar thunder]

Gotta go fast

[stiff turret]

tru, especially in Run From It

[stiff turret]

hey quick question confusedhuman how do you do this wobble grab?

im playing tnt and tbh im kinda sick of getting lost in these huge ass levels 😅

[thorn cape]

@stiff turret hmm I'll teach you an easier method

You want to face the opposite direction that I did, and stand in the corner to your front left
You want to face the angle in which you are facing perpendicular to the wall in front of you (be recording a demo or use -shorttics parameter for this)
Then, use vertical mouse movement very slowly, backwards. While slowly moving your mouse back, make sure not to change your angle, and repeatedly tap A until you have the wobble

Once you have the wobble, you want to turn a little bit to the right (not that precise) and then SR50 backwards into the corner behind you

Then you should be able to grab the yellow key within a couple seconds of SR50

What's interesting is that you theoretically do not need a wobble to have enough speed to grab the yellow key. Its just extremely extremely precise and hard and probably not feasible

So, thats why we use a wobble, so we can have our momentum preserved in the corner
If you need me to make a video for you, then I can once I finish my break from doom on the weekend :smile:

[stone trail]

I never had much luck tapping A for that trick. Always seemed distance related so consistently doing a single A tap when you're getting towards the back side of the cubbyhole worked for me but you've practiced it a bunch for IL's so could have more insight.

[thorn cape]

Hmm, well that would be good to have a certain spot in your muscle memory to tap A once
But, just in case you get is suuuuper fast, I like to tap A as soon as I can, and keep tapping until I get the wobble, or just hit the back corner and need to restart :P (though it is generally a consistent trick)

I dont think its distance related, but it is a very small gap

[autumn carbon]

I might have found a better strat for unity port for getting the rocket launcher

For ultimate doom

[stiff turret]

wdym?

share?

[autumn carbon]

So you know how the speedrun collects the rocket launcher in the secret area of E1M5 yes?

[stiff turret]

yeah

[autumn carbon]

Well I was thinking instead, you get the rpg in the secret where you get the yellow key In E1M6 along with the 2 backpacks which would leave you with 8 I think rockets yeah? But you need at least 12 to kill the barons of hell in E1M8 so I figured that if you took the secret in E1M7 which has a box of rockets, that would leave you with 28 I believe. which is more than enough. The reason I say all of this is because the secret in E1M5 takes about 3-5 seconds. But the only thing that takes more time is the secret in E1M7 to get the rockets. I don’t know if this would actually work but it’s a suggestion. I hope that makes sense

[stiff turret]

box of rockets gives you 5 rockets, on NM and ITYTD it gives 10

[autumn carbon]

With Any% on unity we do ITYTD

So it leaves you with 18 not 28

I think It could save 1-2 seconds if you’re quick but idk

[stiff turret]

you mean E1M6 where you get 2 rocket boxes

afaik you dont get rockets in E1M7

[autumn carbon]

There’s a secret In E1M7 in the toxic pool leading up to the supercharge that has a rocket box

[stiff turret]

but you get enough rockets in E1M6 to kill the barons

you get 18 in total

more than enough

[autumn carbon]

Where?

[stiff turret]

when you take the blue key in central processing do you turn around and go back?

if you go down into the slime pool there's a path with megaarmor and several health and armor bonuses

it gives 2 rocket boxes

[autumn carbon]

I forgot about that

[stiff turret]

which is 28 is total mb, i wasnt playing on ITYTD

[autumn carbon]

Yeah I think the current wr turns around

I’ll have to check

Yeah the wr takes the M5 secret

I’ll do some experiments just to see

[stiff turret]

but again E1M8 isnt counted anyway for most runs unless it is for Any%

because it was the ending level of the original doom and didn't display a time

[autumn carbon]

I did not know that. But on unity it is counted

[marble drift]

@Statis_Check wait a minute. you mean the times on speedrun.com do not include e1m8?

[thorn cape]

They do (at least, I think. SRC is crap for doom, if you want to look at the leaderboards go to the DSDA.)

Let me explain this

For vanilla doom episode speedruns, back in the day, M8 times were NOT counted towards the time. The reason? Dosbox and MS-DOS does not show M8 time. So, it was timed based on M1-M7

However, since source ports DO show M8 time, nowadays, M8 time is counted, however M1-M7 runs are still sometimes focused on out of tradition

[marble drift]

many thanks for that explanation!

[golden stream]

Fastest strat is doing the blue room jump in E1M4 and grabbing the two boxes of rockets (1 is fine 2 for safety) Then grabbing the rocket launcher in E1M6 after grabbing the yellow key.

Any other strat is a time loss.

(doesn't apply to UV but might)

[thorn cape]

On UV, the blue room is too unreliable

Like 10 monsters in that room

AND you need to get the boxes of rockets

Not worth clearing the room out, and doing it with the monsters in is tricky to say the least lol

[tidal halo]

meanwhile i can't beat DOOM 1993 on I'm Too Young To Die

[stiff turret]

rip

[stiff turret]

it is unreliable on UV but Tacobell speedruns the unity port

[sick nexus]

yea i cant beat inferno. damn second lvl

[mild seal]

slough of despair is absolute hell

[earnest ferry]

i was speedrunning and something happened not sure why

[thorn cape]

Thats the unity port for you

Full of weirdass bugs

[mild seal]

bugs, auto sr50, green crosses on medikits, censored wolfenstein levels, no NIN easter egg, i still like it, though

[golden stream]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzPqUBT4SK0

[tawny swan]

wait they removed the NIN eater egg?

[thorn cape]

In E4M1? Dang

I dont think I ever noticed that when I used to play unity

[loud arch]

Oh yeah which is why you open doom in dosbox before grabbing the wad for it

[devout dawn]

censored wolfenstein is like doom if the demons were aliens, yeah it's still doom, but it doesn't have that feel

[mild seal]

the BFG edition replaces all the SS officers with zombiemen

at least the Unity port has them there

[tawny swan]

why even get those werid sourceports?

[mild seal]

Only ports available for console players

[tawny swan]

lol, another reason not to get a console

[unkempt mulch]

Older consoles are better, the new ones are not that good

[thorn cape]

https://youtu.be/eS0cbskYUJ4

@stiff turret

[stiff turret]

rip

that would have been WR right?

[thorn cape]

Yeah

But IDC about getting WR, because chances are I'll get it anyway

My technique is generally faster, I can get 5:1x pace or so without forcing myself

[mighty cloud]

HYPERS I did doom 1 and 2 (separately) sub 2 hours

Achievement get

P.S. I hate the city in doom 2 please remove kthx ||/s but I really do not like the city lol||

[stiff turret]

nice

[mighty cloud]

I’m not a person that enjoys speed running generally (doing it, watching it is cool for me), but I can see why people would enjoy speed running any of the Doom series

It’s a different feel for the game
Suppose that is any game. But it’s pretty fun, I’m sure especially when you learn tricks and such

[tawny swan]

damn, rip

[thorn cape]

rip indeed 😕

its really upsetting knowing damn well that the death was extremely preventable

if I didnt lose health to the shotgunners before the imp secret, if I wasnt so careless in the imp secret tunnel
I would have had way more health..

If I didnt take any unnecessary damage before hand, I would have had over 30 health remaining even after that max damage roll imp fireball. In the blue door is the exit room, and the ending is extremely consistent, and going in there with over 30 health is essentially a guaranteed win

[golden stream]

i finished in 2 seconds

[tawny swan]

I am sorry for your significant other

[grim burrow]

AYO! I’m a Meatball Demon, If You Don’t Care Or Or Uhh, I Will Turn You Into A Spaghetti.

[tough cairn]

Uhh

[rigid stirrup]

Uh I got a question

I did a classic doom speedrun

I uploaded it on my channel

Can I send it here?

Hmm ok

[thorn cape]

@rigid stirrup you can

[rigid stirrup]

Oh

[thorn cape]

ive done that before many times

[rigid stirrup]

Oh ok thanks dude

https://youtu.be/kCmLxKcc4dU

[rigid stirrup]

I got that reference yessir

Sorry for the ping pong

[loud arch]

Why the hell did flex say no

[stiff turret]

breh of course you can

[thorn cape]

not sure 🤨

[mild seal]

i'm trying to complete grosse in 13 seconds

cyberdemon refuses to let me in without a hitch

[stiff turret]

rip

[junior needle]

kamikaze so yiy have freedoom hm

do you have delta touch

[tawny swan]

whats the wr on grosse?

oh 11s

19 years ago

[mild seal]

you need an insane amount of precision and luck for that

i'd be happy getting anything below 14

i'm aiming for 12 seconds, though

after reaching 13

[stiff turret]

btsx truly is a fun wad

im not doing too shabby besides a few mishaps here and there

[golden stream]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeA4DYuFJIE&t=963s

[thorn cape]

https://youtu.be/Uz3BmfLkl18

[thorn cape]

Hmm, just found that you can jump out of the first area without the red key, used in the NoMo route

Idk if that would save any time for NM100s, I'll have to check later

[vapid cloud]

Damn thats fast

[thorn cape]

https://youtu.be/1Ew6QMJyaF4

13 is possible but quite tight

[desert path]

Question: why do speedrunners play with gamma correction at 2 or any other number

[vapid cloud]

I always play with gamma at 1. But Im no speedrunner (For now )

[thorn cape]

I play with openGL rendering with shaders light sector mode
Depending on my mood and the lighting in my room, I play at gamma correction ranging from 2 to 8

Theres my answer :^)

[desert path]

so it’s because sometimes the room they’re playing in is too dark?
Interesting

I always thought it was to mimic the original DOS look

[thorn cape]

Not necessarily, another reason is that they have a dark monitor or just like the look of higher gamma

I know plenty speedrunners who play with gamma at 1

Speedrunners generally have bigger things to worry about than the brightness of their game being dimmer than vanilla :^)

[vapid cloud]

I dont like opengl rendering, its not vanilla enough for me

The prboom starts to look like gz

[thorn cape]

I play with openGL cause it runs better

I prefer vanilla lighting too

[vapid cloud]

I get 60fps with both

[vapid cloud]

@thorn cape Just saw your "E1M1 is a curse" vid, how do I use that "use" timer on dsda port?

[stiff turret]

the level time above the status bar?

[vapid cloud]

No the timer that apears when you press use

[stiff turret]

oh hm

[thorn cape]

-time_use

[stiff turret]

lemme check

[thorn cape]

in parameters

[stiff turret]

ah

[vapid cloud]

ok thx

Im going to start trying to speedrun e1m1

[thorn cape]

please dont

its such a bad speedrun and the heavy optimization for it only serves to demotivate you :P

[stiff turret]

dont

its so rng based that its pretty bad and the speedrun at this point is so optimized movement wise you'd first need to be good at movement

[vapid cloud]

But I want to get atleast 9s on the most iconic run

[stiff turret]

you could try but its gonna be hard

[desert path]

My PB is 13 seconds I think

[vapid cloud]

I just got 12

[desert path]

Gamer moment

[vapid cloud]

sadly I wasnt recording a demo

Got a huge boost from the shotgunners

[stiff turret]

nice

[stone trail]

@thorn cape One of the GDQ events rewatching my doom run a too high gamma setting watered down the visuals and pissed me off so much I used lower gamma for future runs so it looked better for the viewers 👍 Other then a couple situations gamma ain't a big deal but running say E2M1 UV-Max with the dark computer maze I could understand cranking it up.

[thorn cape]

Hmm, I see

[stone trail]

It might have been scythe cause high gamma washes out episode 3 redrock.

It looks horrible

[thorn cape]

I feel like high gamma looks worse with vanilla rendering tbh

Idk, I only raise gamma if I can't see the game properly, it was never an aesthetic thing, or so to make the game look "better"

My laptop screen is a bit dark

[stone trail]

I think consistency is the key. From personal experience accidentally changing gamma or playing on a new computer makes pixel setups look different obviously from the lighting. In caged i'm aware to move 6 notches setting up for the zero press but in plutonia map 25, I gauge it on a specific pixel. Gamma changes, oops wtf did it go!

[thorn cape]

I'm not really doing very precise tricks nowadays, so that could be it 😄

Ive done a couple zero press runs and also got like 17 on doom II lv02o, but other than that nah

Currently ive been grinding my ass off with NM :^)

Plutonia map25? As in, the glide?

Oh, the rocket jump

I just yolo that one tbh 😂

Thats the best way to go in IL, obviously :^)

[stiff turret]

hm, i can do the squeeze glide on underhalls with confidence now but it's just slow 😅 it's something that get faster with practice right?

[stone trail]

When you do meme speedruns that include all the IWAD's thats when memory gets fuzzy or you get crappy situations mid Final doom like durrrrr how many notches for the mill RJ 'scratches head'

[thorn cape]

Heh

[thorn cape]

Yeah it comes with practice

I align it so that the right edge has just left my field of view (4:3)

Then I just move my mouse forward

[stiff turret]

ah

[thorn cape]

If I see too many pixels to the left of the gap then I know that ive gone too far to the left

[stiff turret]

the fuck

with ur setup i got it in 2 seconds

wha

[thorn cape]

😄

Lining up the edges of the screen isnt enough

Going the extra mile to find pixel line ups pays off

[stiff turret]

34 seconds nomo

damn my fastest time

could've recorded a demo or smthing

i found my optimal setup which is to leave a tiny bit of the right edge on the right side of the screen

so when i VMM and press W it gets me in a good spot to squeeze by

i can do it in about... 5 seconds now? with this setup

i got a 41 because of a hilarious exit switch fail and getting stuck on some barrels 🥲 also very unoptimal squeeze

[stiff turret]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKJDZxih_JE

[thorn cape]

@stiff turret I dont think u should tap W while trying to go through the gap

Just use mouse movement, and IF you dont go through, tap W once or twice and try again

Try not to go too far left of course

[stiff turret]

yeah just straight up VMM also works

might work better actually but i gotta keep testing

[thorn cape]

Let me send you my 17, the glide is really fast but it may help

Its not 4:3 ratio, cause thats how I export my demos for YT, with either 16:9 or 16;10, but just pretend that the status bar edges are the edges of the screen lol

https://youtu.be/aj_6mskqOCE

I didnt mean to get caught on the wall before the glide btw. That was a stupid mistake which wasted like 0.5s for sure

[kind tartan]

still a pretty good run despite the wall slowing you down

[thorn cape]

https://youtu.be/bljisLvPioI

[stiff turret]

nice

[vapid cloud]

The archvile jump one is cooler, but thats still impressive 👏 👏

[thorn cape]

IMO this one is cooler, and definitely harder to do :^)

There are way more interesting AVJs out there, this map's is kinda blegh :P

Thanks!

[stiff turret]

how would you speed up the setup for the underhalls squeeze?

[thorn cape]

dont use a setup for the angle, dont bother standing behind that white pillar

Just go straight in, youll know easily when u have the right angle, when you are very slowly drifting to the left when holding W

Then just use mouse strafe to roughly get into position for glide (a tiny bit to the right of where you want to be), hold W until you have the position and continue as usual

[stiff turret]

i also managed to do the void glide in E2M6

i just forgot to turn on the run key to build up enough momentum to yeet myself out

with the rocket*

[dim reef]

omg I thought you two were one person talking to themself
I'm seeing things

[dim reef]

genuinely wish eternity had compat levels too

like yea prboom+ & dsda-doom

but eternity with compat levels would be amazin

[stiff turret]

27 on underhalls nomo

hm not bad im getting better

[thorn cape]

Nice

[golden stream]

https://youtu.be/Ah3b_mrRndk

[thorn cape]

https://youtu.be/J_OYwtDBoEk

[vapid cloud]

It hasn't happened to me yet

But it really is a cool bug

[thorn cape]

Its happened to me 4 times

Twice in demos, twice in practice

All 4 in TNT map09 NM100s :^)

[vapid cloud]

ahaha nice

Its a dreadful map

[tawny swan]

oof, just recently watched decino explain that bug

[thorn cape]

Heh, I see

Ive gotten that bug 5 times in total, 3 on demo, 2 in practice with saves/loads

All on TNT map9 NM100s

[golden stream]

https://youtu.be/vsI3G4JFvWw

[thorn cape]

https://youtu.be/Q_KswM-rpXQ

[vapid cloud]

Your movement is amazing

youll get 8s soon

[thorn cape]

Thank you :^)

[stiff turret]

you can do this :)

[thorn cape]

😄

and also TNT map09 NM100s I hope :^)

I had quite a far death right before the rocket launcher yesterday, today I took a break from it though

[stiff turret]

nice

[stiff turret]

Finally managed to do a successful E2M6 void glide

the wobble seems so inconsistent to me lol tho

but i know it'll get better with time

[loud arch]

i did that sick-ass rocket jump

[desert path]

Ultimate doom speedrun with jumping and ZDOOM compatibility

[loud arch]

lol

[loud arch]

i actually did it in virtual reality, not any computer source port

[blissful sonnet]

https://youtu.be/AKtZmqxaHVI
A 20 year old world record beaten by over 7 minutes, after a grind of 43 hours and 27 minutes = my most invested speedrun, so far.

[thorn cape]

Didnt know you were here, coin 😄

Wasnt there for the stream but GG

I guess we're waiting for ep4 now? :p

[blissful sonnet]

that's the next one 🙂

[stiff turret]

gg Coin, better hope you didn't get nose damage from that clothespin also that breathless icon of sin fight was mad impressive

[thorn cape]

https://youtu.be/Osd5RJovGlE

[stiff turret]

niceee

smooth

[thorn cape]

the sad thing is that the ending was 2 frames slower than optimal

and 9.03 - 2 frames = 8.97 :^(

[stiff turret]

oh damn

that's tied for WR right?

[thorn cape]

WR is 8.91

But all I care about is 8, obviously

Not gonna bother with 8.8 or anything :p

it is definitely possible I get a low 8.9 or so first try, but I dont really count on it

[thorn cape]

did over 1000 e1m1 attempts today lol

[stiff turret]

yikes

[thorn cape]

best runs were 9.06 and 2 9.11s

[stiff turret]

out of 1000, damn

[thorn cape]

yeah LOL

I had many 8-paced runs by the second door which just messed up

not quit tnt map9 of course, just a short break

breaks are good 🙂