doom-2016

[untold stirrup]

I personally find Siege mode to be too cheesy

[rich merlin]

Ok. I am going through my first playthrough of ,2016 right now and that weapon is sick.

[untold stirrup]

what difficulty?

[rich merlin]

UV. It didn't let me select nightmare for some reason nor let me change it

[untold stirrup]

and I'll list the pros and cons of both mods, brb

[untold stirrup]

you gotta play thru UV first before attempting NM i think

[rich merlin]

Really? That's kinda what I thought 😔

[untold stirrup]

Precision Bolt pros:

• Has a Mastery that's easy to do
• Helps land accurate shots from far away
• Deals good damage
• Once you get the Mastery, Precision Bolt shots, no matter how charged up they are, will explode once in contact with an enemy, dealing splash damage to demons around

Cons:

• The damage output isn't as high as Siege Mode
• For some people, the zoom may be problematic.

Siege Mode pros:

• The shots are piercing(As in, they can go through enemies)
• Once upgraded, it has a devastating AOE Blast
• Damage output is much higher

Cons:

• The Mastery is not extremely easy to get(You have to kill 3 enemies or more simultaneously, and you need to do it 10 times)
• Without the Mastery, it's nearly obsolete on NM and UN, as it completely stops you from moving

[jolly geyser]

damn, this man is good at explaining shit

[lethal bison]

I know your average joe wouldn’t know this, but you can use Siege Mode without the Mastery by holding the mod button with another weapon, swapping to the Gauss and firing which will fire a Pre Charged Siege Mode without the movement penalty. So technically the two cons aren’t really prevalent as
One: Using Siege Mode like this makes it easy to line up 3 Monsters for the Mastery since you can move.
Two: Well the movement penalty isn’t existent when you use Siege Mode with this glitch/tech thing.

In Summary: Siege Mode is insane in the membrane 🧠

[untold stirrup]

ah, DKSMS

[lethal bison]

huh?

[untold stirrup]

definitely something not a lot of people would ever know

[lethal bison]

Dksms?

[untold stirrup]

It's short for Dreamer-King Siege Mode Shot, or the Instant Siege Mode Shot

Named after Dreamer-King, who found this quirk

[rich merlin]

Thanks for the detailed explanation! I just went for siege mode based on this. I just finished Kadingir Sanctum right now. the gauss cannon is awesome

[lethal bison]

oh true, I never knew the details behind it so that’s interesting. tbh I only found out about the quirk by watching Byte Me’s Speedruns of 2016 and learned to use it, but it’s so cheese that I use it sparingly.

[untold stirrup]

It truly is :)

Siege Mode has it's own benefits, I personally don't like it due to how it trivializes a lot of fights and I like thing to go explodey which the PB mastery does

But to each their own, choose a mod that fits your playstyle

[still geyser]

Soon, I swear to God I'll get the Steam Deck to try this game, I'm sick of this 2012 laptop

[chrome basin]

i primarily used siege in my glitchless 100% UN run, which is to say i basically just used the gauss in its unpowered form. still, occasionally i'd charge it for barons when everything else was dead and i could easily juke their shots

i never wanted to reduce my field of vision / reduce my sensitivity with precision bolt for the lesser damage it does though

[mortal reef]

Is 2016 smooth with the 1650 Ti?

I've seen the 1050 Ti run the game very well

[elder meadow]

Check out this channel for modded snapmap content.

https://youtube.com/channel/UC9IPVcDWPPQXX5dmuod11eA

https://youtube.com/channel/UCM-XJUIo5nCK9PDKPNmx3eg

[sleek herald]

Siege mode go brrrrr

[elder meadow]

Lol

[harsh cave]

haha DKSMS go brrrrr

[untold stirrup]

heh

[elder meadow]

what do you think about the song mastermind with doom 2016?

[digital topaz]

It's great

[untold stirrup]

perfect

[royal chasm]

It's terribly clever. It contains leitmotifs from earlier pieces in the DOOM 16 soundtrack, like BFG Division

Hearkening back to earlier levels, really making you, the player, feel the weight of how this boss battle is the culmination of everything that's come before

It gives great weight to it, and that is Very Good

I'm listening to it now. There's a tiny hint of Cyberdemon in there too

Mostly it is its own thing with undercurrents of BFG

Ugh. How great would it be to have had more motifs like this in Eternal. Yeah, they use Meathook on several different levels, but replaying a track is not the same as having a reprise hidden in other tracks

And BFG notably made a triumphant return

(In eternal)

[halcyon bear]

Dev rounds go bang bang bang bang bang bang

[jolly geyser]

Didn't use Praetor suit in snapmaps yet

[loud torrent]

Oof

[royal chasm]

@elder meadow that's a lot of hearts

[jolly geyser]

That means you are a lovely person

[royal chasm]

I'm a fucking delight.

[delicate bobcat]

why is multiplayer still not working on xbox

[iron lynx]

Anyone else unable to connect to MP?

[jolly geyser]

You get automatically kicked right?

[faint cradle]

Dude I wish I had money for doom

[hearty jasper]

Pirate it

[sleek herald]

Don’t

[halcyon bear]

Yeah that's a fantastic way to get yourself banned

[hearty jasper]

It's s joke

Piracy isn't a joke though

[rich merlin]

Hey guys what are the best runes? I am on my first playthrough and I found almost all of them. So far I am using the armor rune, Air control and the drop magnet. I might just be biased from doom eternal

[royal chasm]

try them all

[snow heron]

Rich Get Richer is broken af

Especially when you max it how

*out

[flint dune]

Same with Ammo Boost. Free BFG ammo.

[chrome basin]

rich get richer, ammo boost, and vacuum maxed out is absurdly op

bfg, bfg ammo has like a 75% chance to drop from all the dead demons, suck it in from a distance, repeat ad nauseam

plus infinite ammo otherwise so long as you have 75 armor

[next blade]

Quick swaping is not intended for doom 2016

[royal chasm]

Bullshit, there's Praetor updates for it and it's basically standard strategy for nightmare mode

[rich merlin]

So air control isn't really relevant like it is in DE i guess

[royal chasm]

Air control is still good it's just that the others are so broken they're OP lol

[next blade]

I killed 2 barons way too fast for it to be fare

[royal chasm]

If you want like an authentic DOOM experience, don't use RGR

[rich merlin]

I see. I just got the BFG. I love Doom 2016. Much better than what people make it sound. Also, dying to environmental stuff is rough 😅

[royal chasm]

Yeah yeah, see here's the thing

They designed it with quickswapping in mind. They just didn't anticipate how fucking good we would get at it

[chrome basin]

plasma rifle really sucks on its own, so it's not like you'd really often use it aside from stunning and quickswapping

[rich merlin]

I just mastered the stun bomb mod but I agree. I'm not impressed by that weapon . Also, the gauss cannon is broken shit. My lord

[royal chasm]

I disagree, plasma is great for DPS compared to the debuffs of mobile turret, slow start of the chaingun, and general shittiness of the assault rifle

And the stun bomb is awesome what are you on about it can lock a baron in place so you can break its back with the gauss cannon

[chrome basin]

reread what i wrote

[royal chasm]

Oh Rodark was NOT disparaging the stun bomb. my b

[rich merlin]

I love the stun bomb for combos but the plasma riffle itself it's nothing good i think

Like the base fire I mean

[royal chasm]

you're right the best weapon is definitely the pistol

[chrome basin]

plasma dps isn't that great imo and it has slow travel time. in og doom it could eat bigger stuff up real fast if you wanted, but in 2016 you have so many other better options even ignoring quickswitching imo

if i were to use any of those weapons you mentioned, it'd probably be scoped assault rifle for niche sniping situations early on

[royal chasm]

oh hell no, the scoped assault rifle will get you killed

[chrome basin]

didn't

[rich merlin]

I've been using Micro missiles a lot. I mean, it is extremely simple to master and I love it

[royal chasm]

I'm not one of those weirdos who cranks up the FOV super high but I'm also not gonna restrict my field of view by lingering in that sniper. i gotsta see

[chrome basin]

it's not like i use it while surrounded by demons

i wouldn't use plasma surrounded by demons either, unless i was using the heat mod, and even then, much better options

[royal chasm]

Yeah MM is the only viable mod for that gun. But I don't really use that much either. I just don't use that weapon lol

[chrome basin]

i loved MM on my first playthrough

[untold stirrup]

use ones that best fit your playstyle

[rich merlin]

That's probably why since I am going through my first playthrough and I used to use it a lot in eternal

[chrome basin]

MM are in eternal? lol, i'd completely forgotten

[next blade]

Ssg go boom

[untold stirrup]

I personally use IFM, Blood Fueled, and Ammo Boost currently

But I'm gonna switch out ammo boost for savagery when I replay kadingir sanctum

[next blade]

I like the 2016 sounds for most guns better than eternal

The supershot gun sounds like a chain in eternal

[untold stirrup]

I also saw for the first time exactly why double shot ssg was removed from eternal

it's way too overpowered

[next blade]

Ye

[untold stirrup]

2 ssg blasts to a base fire gauss cannon shot kills revs and hell knights instantly

[next blade]

Most people dont quick swap on they're first playthrough

[untold stirrup]

equipment power also supplements the siphon grenades as the flame belch from eternal so it's easy to recharge 75 armor for RGR

[rich merlin]

I only do because I played eternal first but I feel like doom2016 doesn't promote that as you play

[untold stirrup]

it's definitely not the first priority to

not especially when you have 60 shells of double shot ssg

and DKSMS

dammit, I forgot what I was going to say

oh right, anyone notice that if you shoot a weapon, then punch, it seems like there's no cooldown between punches/weapon swaps?

it's like the punching swap thing that sylar discovered or something along those lines

[untold stirrup]

this was most prevalent when holding the pistol, as I could just repeatedly spam shoot and punch after each other with no delays between either

tried it with ssg and gauss too, it seems to be slightly faster to me than regular swapping too

anyone curious to try this out and see if they feel the same as me?

mod swapping and holo-swapping is pretty much non-existent for me because for some reason my computer stopped registering the side buttons on my mouse which was gauss on Mouse5 and Use Equipment for Mouse4, making me switch equipment to G and Gauss to R

[halcyon bear]

Never noticed that. Interesting

[livid galleon]

Uh

I have a question

How do I get all combat effectiveness points in mission 3

Or just in general

[untold stirrup]

kill everything

and find the secrets, because the secrets can be hiding some monsters

[livid galleon]

Is it only based on kill count?

[untold stirrup]

mhm

[livid galleon]

Wtf

I do kill everything

[untold stirrup]

but it's recommended to do both challenges and secrets as well because that gives you 5 extra points

[livid galleon]

I have all secrets

[untold stirrup]

did you find the secrets?

did you find the classic doom map?

[livid galleon]

I have everything but the last combat point

[untold stirrup]

send a screenie

[livid galleon]

Yeah hold on let me start my laptop

Where do I send it

[untold stirrup]

if you know how to do it via embeds, here but otherwise just in #screenshots

[livid galleon]

Okay

Sent

[untold stirrup]

that's... weird. You should always get 100% points if you also do the secrets, did you fully finish the level yet?

you said you got 100% kills right

[livid galleon]

Yes I did

I’m pretty sure I got all kills

I don’t know where else they would be

I’ll beat it again and I’ll make sure to look for em ig

I fell under the map

[halcyon bear]

I don't notice any sort of significant swapping speed like you mentioned. If it's there it's not much

[untold stirrup]

Most probably it's very minimal, probably too little to make any difference

I had fun rapidly punching the ever-living fuck out of everything in UAC tho

[mortal reef]

When i do another playthrough again i'm sticking with UV

I tried nightmare and i nearly threw my controller

[livid galleon]

I was so close to getting the last point I needed like 2 more kills

I’m gonna cry

I went back to make sure I didn’t miss anyone

Clearly I didn’t look hard enough

I need It so bad

[elder meadow]

my game crashes on pc every time i try to open it

i got it on steam

[mortal reef]

specs?

[elder meadow]

ryzen 5 3500 rx 570 4 gb 16 gb ram @ 3200 mhz

not the best but it shouldnt have any problems running the game

[livid galleon]

I don’t suppose there’s any way to run it in some sort of “safe mode”

[untold stirrup]

Wow, it definitely should NOT crash. I got it to work on my MacBook Air 2020 with default graphics and processors, there is no way that should happen to you .

Maybe try redownloading it?

[sand folio]

anyone still make snapmap?

[jolly geyser]

Chad fellow NCR Ranger combat armor pfp user. And eh, not a lot are still interested in making snapmaps.

[sand folio]

also i’m unable to connect to snapmap

[sand folio]

ncr is the greatest

Keep saying unable to obtain title storage

[jolly geyser]

Hmm, steam?

[sand folio]

xbox

[sand folio]

are the doom 2016 servers offline?

[jolly geyser]

I have no idea about that since I'm a PC user. Sorry.

[halcyon bear]

Whatever works for you. Personally I lo e nightmare. But if you're not having fun then what's the point

[mortal reef]

Yeah UV is the good balance for me

[untold stirrup]

Currently at Lazarus Labs, don't know if I really should get RGR

I mean I could, but I don't want the game to be piss easy

It already is with double shot and remote det

Most of my deaths are environmental or if I'm fucking around

[cerulean dove]

Hi, not sure if this is the right channel to ask, but does anyone still play multiplayer? Can't seem to find any servers (I'm from EU but I can't find any in Asia or NA either) and I want my 100% achievements on steam badly 😔 Feel free to dm me if you'd like to play someday

[native star]

Well it's dead

[harsh cave]

Once you finish the gore nests, 2 hell knights spawn and start to wander the map

[livid galleon]

OHHH

THANK

[untold stirrup]

That's kinda bugged

[royal chasm]

If you do all the secrets, you can actually avoid killing them. But why would you ever NOT rip and tear

[untold stirrup]

But why avoid killing them when you really need the weapon points

[harsh cave]

yeah secrets and combat points are different

[royal chasm]

No what I'm saying is you can get the weapon points without killing the hell knights. The demons in the OG Doom level are "bonus"

[harsh cave]

i know from experience that that isnt enough

[royal chasm]

You don't have to kill Every Single Demon, you can actually get all 5 weapon points before the level is even over

[hallow pebble]

Is there a command to play the weapon pick up animation?

[harsh cave]

anyone down to play some free for all on PC?

one more person

everyone left and then my game crashed

[jolly geyser]

I'd do it but my game is bugged for whatever-the-fuck reason so I can't play MP

I can only play snapmaps and I'm totally free for it

[old zenith]

Same im seeing the multi-player locked i wonder if the server are shut down?

[sand folio]

i rlly don’t want em to be, i was gonna make a destiny raid style snapmap and play it with my friend

[elder meadow]

AEAEA

sex

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[native star]

Sus

[abstract isle]

Name: Belial The Hell - PC - EU - Damage + speed hacks (work in demon mode too)

Another day another hack

Name: Lucys - PC - EU - Rocket launcher spam hack

two games back to back, wooo

[elder meadow]

Check tech talk

[elder meadow]

Are you using snaphak?? There's new content players added into snapmap. You an use it across all platforms. Unused assets and bots and NPCs, theres clips and screenshots in tech talk

[untold stirrup]

Replayed foundry to 100% it, I think I got stuck on it for like 20 minutes because I couldn't find a goddamn scientist arm to reach the last gore nest

[frosty hull]

Hello! Just bought Doom (2016) and I’m excited to play it. Anything key I should know for the game.?

[flint dune]

If you played Eternal first, then keep in mind 2016 plays quite differently. If you play it as its own game you’ll have a better time.
In general? Never stop moving, and swapping weapons to combo them is much more efficient to take out enemies.

[sand zephyr]

Yeah, and switching between the different kinds of grenades can be effective

[frosty hull]

How do I swap weapons

I’ve never played eternal

[flint dune]

Depends on what platform. For controller it’s R1. For mouse I think it’s right click? I’m not sure. But you can change the inputs if you want to anyways.

[sand zephyr]

Scroll wheel on mouse if your using pc along with the Q button for the weapon wheel

[untold stirrup]

right click is to use the weapon mod

[untold stirrup]

1. Don't stop moving because it means death
2. Use your weapon mods
3. Pay attention to your surroundings
4. Look for secrets

If you've never played the modern games before, here are all of the weapon mods I'd suggest to beginners

[frosty hull]

How do I get weapon mods

[untold stirrup]

Combat Shotgun: Explosive Shot
Heavy Assault Rifle: Micro Missiles
Plasma Rifle: Stun Bomb
Rocket Launcher: Remote Detonation or Lock-On Burst, both of them are very good although I prefer Remote Detonation myself
Gauss Cannon: Siege Mode
Chaingun: Mobile Turret

[untold stirrup]

you get them from robots called Field Drones which are scattered throughout some levels

[halcyon bear]

Remote detonation all the way

[frosty hull]

Okay. What is the multiplayer mode

[untold stirrup]

Once you get a little better an the game, you can staart experiementing with different combinations of weapon mods to see which ones you like and fit to your playstyle

[untold stirrup]

agreed

I personally don't use micro missiles or siege mode because I think they make the game too easy, and I like using underrated mods

stun bomb is also an extremely overpowered mod so I'm gonna switch that out to Heat Blast

[frosty hull]

Alright then. What is the multiplayer mode

[jolly geyser]

I like overpowered shit

[untold stirrup]

Multiplayer mode is mostly playing with other people, but I don't recommend it because there's not a lot of players, and the players that do play are hardcore sweats who know absolutely what they're doing

[sleek herald]

Move

Then shoot

[frosty hull]

I learned that the hard way

[sleek herald]

Lmao

[native star]

Git Gud

[sleek herald]

Yeah it’s pretty different

But you should watch your back in corridors

[frosty hull]

Am I able to change game difficulty cause this is hard asf

[untold stirrup]

what difficulty did you choose? and yes, you can, just go to settings, then game

[frosty hull]

Thank the lord.

I started on nightmare and massively regret it

[untold stirrup]

oh boy... nightmare is only for the really good people

I'd recommend Hurt Me Plenty

[halcyon bear]

Nightmare is the best difficulty but you should have some hours in the game first

[untold stirrup]

if that's too easy, Ultra-Violence

[untold stirrup]

This ^, play the game at least a few times before attempting nightmare, to get the hang of it first

[frosty hull]

I can’t find where to switch it

[frosty hull]

How do I go back to the last level/area I was in

It said I had missed 3 secrets

At least I think that’s what it meant

[flint dune]

You can’t switch your difficulty when you choose Nightmare in 2016

If you chose UV or below, then you’d be able to.

If I were you I’d restart on UV. Nightmare as a first time experience won’t be as enjoyable as it is frustrating.

[frosty hull]

I would but I’ve already been playing for like 3 hours and would hate to lose all I have gained

[flint dune]

Yeah understandable. I get it.

[frosty hull]

Can I go back to the last level

It said I missed secrets

[flint dune]

When you finish a level you’re free to revisit it, yes.

[frosty hull]

Okay!

[flint dune]

And you don’t have to finish the level for progress to save.

[frosty hull]

Thankfully

[kind dagger]

I know Battlemode is the hot stuff right now but do people still play the MP in this?

[flint dune]

@kind dagger This basically

[kind dagger]

Thanks!

[livid galleon]

I finally got the last combat point

So happy

[chrome basin]

you're just gonna get more and more frustrated on nightmare probably, so restarting after only 3 hours on a first playthrough at a lower difficulty still might be wise

UV's usually my starting go-to in Doom games

[normal wing]

Online in doom 2016

[iron lynx]

Would if it worked on Xbox, BethesdaSupports playing hard to get

[kind dagger]

Crap. Those are the last achievements I need for the completion.

[scarlet nymph]

Yeah trying to get some help in there but I can't find anything at all. I just wanna play some Snapmap

[iron lynx]

They claim there is no outage

PS and PC are still up

[compact nebula]

Hell9

Hello*

[kind dagger]

Hello.

[compact nebula]

@kind dagger hey

[faint cradle]

Bruh I fucking hate doom on ultra nightmare mode

It’s so unfair

[halcyon bear]

If you're not having a good time don't do it

[faint cradle]

No I like it it’s just even on easy it’s difficult

[untold stirrup]

it's those damn imps ain't it

[faint cradle]

Yeah

[untold stirrup]

either tac scope or micro missiles are great on em since they're so mobile

[fiery yoke]

If your aim is good explosive shot works fine

If the direct doesn't kill em the splash will

[abstract isle]

Yup, personally prefer it to battlemode, a 6v6 is a lot more fun than a 2v1

[untold stirrup]

Yeah

and besides the cluster bomb mastery is easy enough to get

Even though I like using underrated mods, charged burst is just... a no go

at least in Eternal they made Full Auto return shells back to you

[faint cradle]

Thanks for the advice

[halcyon bear]

Usually stick to dev rounds for the wall crawlers

[untold stirrup]

just got dev round earlier today, really liking them

I might try modding and doing that precision bolt mod that replaces the dev rounds

[halcyon bear]

You get those key shots and you can melt heavys. But they just sound and feel beefy. It's alot of fun

[untold stirrup]

yeah

[fiery yoke]

I love using dev rounds for snapmap

[scarlet nymph]

I call BS. Xbox gamers are dealing with the outage, they better do something.

[abstract isle]

There's something enjoyable about forcing a hacker to use progressively worse and worse hacks

Additional: Name: Lucys - PC - EU - weapon spam, damage, flight, teleport spawn hacks

There's something even more enjoyable about a hacker intentionally afking but your team still winning

[slim pebble]

Dev rounds?

[untold stirrup]

Devastator Rounds, the Mastery upgrade for Tactical Scope for the Heavy Assault Rifle

[slim pebble]

Oh okay

[harsh cave]

its pretty good but i like the sound of MM

[faint cradle]

Guys doom guy is in smash

[sleek herald]

Yes

[loud torrent]

I wish dude

[unique sapphire]

Bro how do I fix the unloaded textures thing, I can barely see anything

[sleek herald]

He is bruh

[errant bloom]

He has representation in smash

Which is awsom

[faint cradle]

I wish they gave him a song like sans or cup head

[iron harbor]

Give Him BFG Division (2016)]

[halcyon bear]

Should have been mortal kombat

[snow heron]

Maybe one day. Doomguy is a much better fit for Mortal Kombat than Smash

[elder meadow]

Any one up for multiplayer I play on ps4

[sleek herald]

Dude imagine if he did glory kills from in-game

[delicate bobcat]

How do I get multiplayer to work, its been broken on xbox for weeks.
Unable to obtain title storage.

[native star]

I wish doom slayer in mortal kombat the finishers would be so badass

[elder meadow]

Idk how to help you there bud

[digital topaz]

cheese4

[dreamy void]

I've been having the same problem on Xbox too

[elder meadow]

same here

I'm starting to think the servers have been shut down

[remote spoke]

I don’t think doom fans would fly with him being turned into cooked steak

[slate raft]

So I'm trying to 100% doom 2016 rn, but I'm stuck in something

I can't seem yo get this exploration upgrade point on argent tower for some reason

It's the second exploration point

I've done everything else

Can someone help?

[harsh cave]

have you done the classic map?

oops sorry about the ping

[vestal shadow]

same thing happened to me but it was solved by itself, I believe they’ve either removed the option itself or there’s a problem in your game.

[old zenith]

Is the multi-player still not working im on the xbox console.

[dull wind]

I believe it is working, it's just dead, I wanna get players and play that multiplayer, I wanna 100% on Xbox

[scarlet nymph]

Nope, it's still not working at all. Main menu is stuck on Loading, Multiplayer won't even open and Snapmap is offline only. It's getting on my nerves how they just completely forgot to fix it and don't seem to care.

[dull wind]

They care about Eternal, what did you think?

[scarlet nymph]

More like they ONLY care about Eternal. Personally I was disappointed by it and far prefer Doom 2016 so not being able to play it with my friends is just very annoying

[dull wind]

I get that but I enjoy Eternal, the difference in pace is there but the multiplayer, Doom 2016 did it better

[halcyon bear]

Its a shame it's basically dead though. Sometimes I can find a game here or there though

[old zenith]

So the servers are completely shut down?☹

[sleek herald]

No

There’s just no one playing

[snow heron]

DOOM 2016 has stopped receiving updates and patches for a while now. So most likely this bug will never be fixed unless enough people complain about it or id one day decides to see how 2016 is doing

[scarlet nymph]

Considering it's not just a regular ol' bug but straight up servers not functioning I hope that's not the case. Servers were down a few days ago and they did fix them... in all other versions except for Xbox. I'd put up a complaint myself but I don't have social medias. Still, they shouldn't leave it unplayable.

[elder meadow]

I agree, Fuck eternal

[untold stirrup]

Eternal is still pretty good...

[flint dune]

Whichever one you prefer doesn’t matter. They’re both still great in their own right.
But people are entitled to their own opinions. So if you hate Eternal, then I guess you hate Eternal.

[scarlet nymph]

Oh I don't hate Eternal. I enjoy it, I just feel like it was a step back from what Doom 2016 established in terms of gameplay

[untold stirrup]

2016 seems to flow much better in terms of environment and gameplay blending together, while the overall gameplay in Eternal is much better imo

Eternal doesn't immerse you as well

[iron lynx]

They are looking at the server issues right now

[scarlet nymph]

They damn better! In all honesty it's the only reason why I even joined this server. Just wanna see that fixed

[crude bluff]

I would love both!

[glossy galleon]

i want doom slayer in smash right now

[flint dune]

Technically he already is. As a Mii character.

[glossy galleon]

on oct 18th he will

[harsh cave]

All so we can put sans’ head on the doom slayer

[burnt storm]

So uhh I'm running into some sort of Error with launching Doom 2016

[fiery yoke]

Ok I'm deeply hoping Xbox will have the server issues recognized soon cuz I miss deathmatching

[velvet stump]

[ripe geyser]

I’ll never forget snap map it had the best maps

[elder meadow]

what kind of error?

also #community-support

[burnt storm]

that kind.(Put it in community support.)

[lone shale]

He is, only not in the way u want

I should have gotten more heads into my avatar bet run whether doom would be a playable char

[atomic horizon]

Since Doom Eternal will be receiving more content updates, I hope SnapMap is one of them…considering on how the work on the singleplayer portion is basically done at this point.

[halcyon bear]

The focus will be hordemode. There wont be a snapmap

[dull wind]

I forgot how bad people were in MP

Always triple teaming one guy

[snow heron]

Unfortunately I don’t think we’ll ever get SnapMap for Eternal

[untold stirrup]

I know it's an old topic, but I tried doing some more experiments on this thing

it's like roughly... half a second faster?

but it's most likely redundant due to holo and mod swapping

it's in #videos

[halcyon bear]

Interesting but test this in combat. The speed increase effects your movement during a initial arena fight. You'll see the benefit isn't really there

In nightmare or un anyways

[untold stirrup]

true

and punching drags you towards a target

so you're likely to get melee'd

[halcyon bear]

I played around with it ... but it was with controller. I could be super wrong with kbm

Let's see a clip when you have time

[untold stirrup]

not sure if my computer could fully handle arena gameplay + recording at the same time but I'll try my best to get some clips of me trying this out during a fight

[regal void]

d

[radiant crow]

quick switching makes this game so much more fun

I didn't realize quick switching was the meta on my first playthrough but now that I'm doing it I love the game so much more

[toxic igloo]

What’s better for early game in ultra nightmare: heat blast or stun?

[flint dune]

Heat Blast

Well, actually it depends on your playstyle. Heatblast is pretty strong against Imps and such, which are a big problem early game. But Stun Bomb is good for keeping Hell Knights in place.

[chrome basin]

to use heat blast you'd actually have to use the plasma rifle, no? which idk why you'd ever want to do in ultra nightmare. meanwhile, stun bomb is god tier

[flint dune]

That’s true. But the gun itself is decent early game. Since you only have about 3-4 weapons.

[chrome basin]

idk. combat shotgun with explosive shot is the go-to weapon before getting the rocket launcher and remote det, and you want to upgrade both of those asap to be dealing the most damage as early as possible. these are your core weapons before super shotgun and gauss, which you'd then also want to upgrade asap. stun bomb is obviously super useful in conjunction with quickswapping, stunning every chance you get and then deleting with swaps. before you get the rpg, if you're gonna use anything other than shottie explosive shot, it'd probably be the heavy assault rifle for long range or instantly stunlocking. it's just rare to ever need the plasma rifle, aside from overloading shields if you screw up getting an explosive behind a possessed security, or used against immobile hell razers in a few encounters before rpg, and therefor you'd rarely build up charge for the heat blast

[untold stirrup]

Heat Blast is usually for a super aggressive playstyle imo

You're in the faces of enemies to blast them

I love it, it's more unique than stun bomb

[untold stirrup]

Stun Bomb, all the way

Ultra Nightmare is punishing. Use whatever cheese you got, Holo-swapping and DKSMS

And anyway, continuing on for my love of heat blast, it makes things way more interesting in combat as not only you have to get in the faces of demons to deal damage, you have to use the plasma rifle in order to build up charge until you get the mastery, which forces you to juggle and be mindful of how much plasma ammo you have and when to chainsaw to get more so you have enough for quickswaps with gauss

RGR can obviously solve this issue with the infinite ammo thing but armor is quite rare to come by in 2016 anyway though

So if you ever dip below 100(or 75 if you have the mastery) it's going to be way harder to actually replenish enough armor to actuvate it again unless you use Armored Offensive, which isn't optimal compared to the other much better runes

[halcyon bear]

Stun bomb is more effect on nightmare runs in my opinion

Especially for the early imps

Which most new nightmare players struggle with

[halcyon bear]

Heat blast is pretty effective mid late game but that's the only main reason I'd use plasma unless it was trolling like with dev rounds

[chrome basin]

it is pretty powerful when fully upgraded, yeah, it's just it's pretty low on the upgrade priority list i think when trying to 100% the game in a single playthrough, since even though it can be useful, everything else is simply so much more so. so yeah, kinda the same principle as dev rounds i guess

[halcyon bear]

Id highly recommend stun and heat for a UN playthrough but again heat like you said isn't on the list right away. But it can be a life saver

[untold stirrup]

Yeah I said stun bomb for nightmare or UN

Ultra Nightmare is punishing. Use whatever cheese you got, Holo-swapping and DKSMS

MM and SB are obviously more optimal than TS and HB in terms of usefulness and damage output, but TS and HB are just more fun to use in my opinion, same with PB on the gauss instead of SM

Doing UN on a macbook is gonna be hard

[halcyon bear]

Give heat blast a go when you do un. Let me know how it works for you. I honestly prefer it

[untold stirrup]

Will do

[scarlet nymph]

Yay Xbox servers are back up! 😄

[untold stirrup]

Nice

[royal chasm]

I don't find TS fun at all lmao

Or micro missiles honestly. I just don't love that gun after like the third level

[viscid jungle]

Hello

🗿

[sharp acorn]

Hi

[viscid jungle]

ok

[untold stirrup]

Micro missiles shred

Use it to finish a quickswap against a demon

When they're about dead, I just unleash a couple of em then focus on another target because I know the MM's are gonna kill them

[halcyon bear]

Remote det all the way

[jolly geyser]

remote detonation, it just works. (todd moment)

it's useful in every situation, really. and the mastery just makes it even better

[untold stirrup]

remote detonation, no question at all

it's just so much more useful

if I were to make a shitty analogy I'd compare the two being like the bfg and the unmaykr

lock on is cool, but why focus on a single target when you could do a large AOE blast and have to deal damage over time too

[halcyon bear]

The bleed damage is the cheery on top

[untold stirrup]

mhm

[chrome basin]

i never notice the bleed damage honestly, even on weaker mobs

but being able to deal 2x rocket damage with no lock-on, and no need to actually det the thing on direct impact, makes it so effing good, especially in swaps

in addition to actually being used for its original remote det feature for blast damage without direct hits or easy terrain to target

[halcyon bear]

Its all about that stack really. Wasn't even necessary but a pleasant thing to have

[left wing]

Dude

Jagged shrapnel is extremely helpful

[untold stirrup]

Tried to do some tests before recording, needless to say that it doesn't really help at all and is mostly a novelty

As I said before the punching drags you towards a demon so unfortuantely against demons like hell knights and higher you're just gonna get bodied

Holo swapping and mod swapping are overall better on KBM

On controller, I think you just need to find a smooth rhythm as to what swaps flow together well

Like SSG Gauss is a common swap but there's a really long delay in between

RL and Gauss basically have that swap time halved

CSG and HAR can also be used to quickswap into other swaps

As their firing and swapping times are greatly decreased for other weapons

[halcyon bear]

Yeah excatly what I found. With controller swapping is something you need to get used to but I have huge mutated thumbs and fingers that gave me an evolutionary advantage

[untold stirrup]

Holo swapping is still super inconsistent for me but I'll get used to new keybinds and get more consistent

[wispy verge]

I found a mistake in my binds

I have one for the pistol

started using stun bomb today and swapped to the shotgun multiple times instead of the plasma rifle

so instead of improving my muscle memory Ill yeet the pistol so that the shotgun can be 1, and the plasma rifle can be 2
I dont use the pistol anyway

Sometimes my genius is almost frightening

level didnt load but damn
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2624761478

kinda cool

man I fucking hate having integrated

Ok I dont know what the actual fuck is going on but the level just refuses to load

if this happens it always loads after restarting the game but now it just doesnt

Tried loading into Kadingir but it just straight up crashed before giving me anything

[harsh cave]

problem is that in foundry i focus on killing the hell knights as fast as possible, so i go for lock on first, and theres never really another time for me to master remote det

[mortal reef]

Intel UHD is a joke

Even with an i9

[wispy verge]

lmao imagine having UHD

normal HD gang

[untold stirrup]

Lmao, imagine even having HD

Amateurs, this is what my game looks like

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/854794877594501143/891666637646876709/20210926_083718.jpg

Minus the center weapon pose because I got rid of that

[untold stirrup]

But you don't even need to master it for it to be good

The bleed damage already conpensates

And lock on rockets are actually weaker than standard rockets

Which means they're even worse compared to remote det rockets

[sour gulch]

LMFAO

lucky, i can't even play D:

for now

[untold stirrup]

What laptop? If I can get that running on a macbook I think anything is possible

[sour gulch]

wot

wym

[untold stirrup]

Like what computer you use

Not laptop, sorry

[sour gulch]

i don't have one but im gonna buy one soon

it'll have rtx 2060, ryzen 5 3600, 16gb ram

[untold stirrup]

Wtf, you can definitely run it

Oh nvm I misread the message

What do you have currently

[sour gulch]

a shit laptop kek

i found the pc for 1k euro and it's worth to buy it with that gpu and cpu

[untold stirrup]

I've got this running on a dual core laptop with 1.1 GHz, 8 GB RAM, and Intel Iris Plus Graphics

If your laptop is worse than that then I feel sorry for you 😔

[sour gulch]

IT IS

[untold stirrup]

Rip...

[sour gulch]

rip

[untold stirrup]

Typically i get around 60-100 fps if I'm looking at the ground or if I'm not rendering a lot of things, and it drops to like 30 tops on huge arenas

[minor mantle]

imagine not playing on a potato powered calculator

[untold stirrup]

True true

[minor mantle]

can a samsung fridge run doom btw

[sour gulch]

that's bad but at least you play it

[untold stirrup]

Classic doom, definitely

[sour gulch]

can you play any other games on it?

[untold stirrup]

Eh, feels absolutely fine to me, no difference between 60 or 100 fps that I can personally feel

[untold stirrup]

Yeah, but I don't have many anyway

Mostly just classic doom and 2016

After I do UN imma try and see if I can run doom eternal on this laptop of mine

[minor mantle]

how many hz is the monitor?

[sour gulch]

im gonna buy doom eternal and 2016 version, looks so fucking fun

[untold stirrup]

I'm on a laptop, specs say 1.1 GHz

On dual cores

[minor mantle]

uhh idk what is that like the hz of a monitor are the amount of fps theyre able to show

you can get more than 60 fps on a 60hz monitor but you wont be able to see them

i dont know how that works for laptops

[untold stirrup]

It's 60hz

[minor mantle]

ok so thats why u cant notice the difference between 60 and 100 fps

[untold stirrup]

I can feel some more smoothness but it's barely there so idrgaf

I'm the type of person to not care what FPS i play on

30, 200+, eh

[minor mantle]

probably cuz more fps=less input delay but if you dont have gsync or freesync on the images will look scattered

[untold stirrup]

As long as I can play and do decently, fine

[minor mantle]

i dont really care that much about it neither but im kind of a nerd soo

[untold stirrup]

People saying that doom eternal is unplayable on 60 fps... hah

[minor mantle]

as long as you can play it on ps4 anything is possible

i cant even imagine playing doom eternal with controller

[sour gulch]

bro, playing games on controller is shit

[minor mantle]

open world games are better with controller imo

except gta

[untold stirrup]

Say that to hugo lol, who also plays inverted

[sour gulch]

i mean horizon zero dawn and stuff like that is alright to play on controller, but when you play shooting games and stuff on controller it's absolute ass

[minor mantle]

i agree

[sour gulch]

saving up for a decent pc is worth it

[halcyon bear]

Use my craptop for classic only. It runs it like a dream so that's all I need. Plus I use a controller anyways so whatever

[viscid jungle]

How many levels are there after VEGA Central Processing?

I have a feeling I'm almost done with the campaign

[flint dune]

You are. You’ve got one more to go.

[viscid jungle]

ok

[viscid jungle]

The giant brain crab demon thing, right?

[flint dune]

Spider Mastermind? Yep.

[viscid jungle]

I died to it already so I'm gonna leave it for tommorow

It's been a fun campaign (on I'm Too Young To Die)

[flint dune]

Ah alright. Good luck for when you fight her again then. Make sure to focus on the brain, it’s the only way to deal damage to the Boss, and shooting the face does the most damage. You can also use the Gauss Cannon to boost away from her if you need to, but this does take practice to do consistently.

[viscid jungle]

ok

[woeful ferry]

I recall passing it on Ultra-V

but good luck!

[shadow bone]

Anyone looking for a private match in Doom 2016

[untold stirrup]

whew I beat the Cyberdemon

died like 4 or 5 times, 2 because I fucked around and 3 because I suck at the game

[azure narwhal]

Use bfg and keep spamming chaingun, rocket launcher, gauss cannon and supershotgun ammos countionusly

[untold stirrup]

Ah I forgot about the chaingun

Because i basically don't use ir

I holo swap between SSG RL and GC

[wispy verge]

Even worse for me cause I have to use the low spec mod to not get epilepsy

This pos only supports up to OpenGL 4.3, the game wants 4.5

Its a miracle the game runs at all

I usually play at 1280x600 because I like ultrawide

Although yesterday I tried 640x480 and I can't go back

I need the frames

Also I really like how it basically increases viewmodel FOV

[left wing]

doom 2016 multiplayer maps are slept on

sleepin' makes me feel good! 👻

i aint 'fraid of no sleep!

If theres somethin strage sleepin in your bed

Guess who it is

[halcyon bear]

I love the baalgar design so damn much. Although the hell guard fight is more fun

[livid galleon]

Love that the game starts to chug on level 5
on a LAPTOP.

pretty crazy that we can get games like this on laptops now

[wispy verge]

tfw you have 644 fps on a black screen

[wispy verge]

man

why does air control have to be a rune

imagine how much better it would be if it was just a control setting

[wispy verge]

Trying out Savagery and Seek And Destroy right now

and I just have to have air control

I wish savagery sped up things like pushing open doors and such

they sometimes feel like an eternity

[jolly geyser]

I agree

Cyberdemon is my favorite boss fight but the Hell Guards felt more hellish, Idek how to describe it.

Something was just creepy about them

[jolly geyser]

yeah, especially for a person like doomguy

who can take out large demonic horns with ease

[wispy verge]

is there a mod that basically deletes all the cutscenes and shit

for some reason theyre so fucking annoying in this game

ok, mastered Seek And Destroy is OP

and I just managed to clip into a room with a glory kill

and it has no exit
time to noclip I guess

[untold stirrup]

Use Vulkan lmao, and I think the 800x(something) resolution is also alright

and yeah mastered seek and destroy is op af

you could pretty much launch into a glory kill from across the room

[wispy verge]

I would if I could

doesnt support that either

[untold stirrup]

I use Savagery, SAD, and Ammo Boost because I play pretty aggressively

[untold stirrup]

damn 😔

[wispy verge]

I tried on Linux where it does but no luck

Might try again some time

[untold stirrup]

I don't use RGR because no point in using that if I'm close up with explosions while holo swapping

and armor is rare to come by in 2016 anyway

[wispy verge]

never really found it "attractive" personally

I just cant keep my armour above 100 or 75 while mastered

[wispy verge]

is it this OP in Eternal too?

[untold stirrup]

For that you basically need a higher DPS output in order to delete demons before they do damage to you

[untold stirrup]

Not so sure, but it's a very viable option from what I've seen

Everyone says Air Control is a necessity in Eternal and I may have to agree

with the more aggressive demons, wide open space to move around, the mobility options, and the platforming, it definitely helps to be able to control your movement in the air

[wispy verge]

I may just try yeeting air control tbh

Ive always played with it

[untold stirrup]

I find air control to be not too helpful in 2016, but that's just me

I equip it during the parkour sections though

Helps in that aspect

[halcyon bear]

Barely ever honestly. It's neat I guess

[wispy verge]

hmm yeah

Ive noticed that it doesnt actually help too much

Will probably yeet it for Armoured Offensive and go full in on glory killing lmao

[untold stirrup]

i think savagery and armored offensive could work well, maybe throw in blood fueled too

you get armor quicker and you get a speed boost to get out of a sticky situation

ammo boost is also stupidly overpowered

when mastered it makes bfg ammo have a chance to drop from demons

it also boosts ammo pickup even more too when mastered i think

[wispy verge]

yeah used that for quite a while

Sadly I dont use BFG much so its kinda useless in that front
after yeeting it I realised I didnt really need it anyway, not mid to late game at least

[azure pawn]

So like, why shoot a mancubus once with the SS, 3 machine gun bullets, a gauss beam, regular shotgun shot, and 3 rockets when you could just shoot it once with the gauss cannon siege mode which is easier and takes less time

[wispy verge]

I might be wrong, but from what I saw you can just chainsaw an imp from the other side of the room

like holy shit, thats just a free escape and ammo

[azure pawn]

Random thought after watching a video of someone doing this

[wispy verge]

thats quite the irregular quickswap combo, I must say

for me quickswapping is just more fun than abusing Siege mode or the SSG mastery

I kind of do that sometimes though

[wispy verge]

tbh I used to shit on runes like Savagery and SAD but damn, they bang

especially together

Ill certainly be having fun with chainsawing imps from miles away

Like, theres a Baron in your face? Just chainsaw an imp in the distance lol

Started using stun bomb, its really great especially with the mastery

For some reason I kinda stopped using rocket launcher? Like it just fell out of my muscle memory? Been having to force myself to use that lmao
Been having fun with using both of its mods though

[untold stirrup]

because we want to have fun and not breeze through the game

and also, the HAR is essential in quickswaps because it's swapping time, like in Eternal, decreases the swap time for other weaons

same with the Combat Shotgun

these aren't really things you know unless you're a regular quickswapper

[untold stirrup]

not really it's quite standard

it's like an RL and Gauss swap, it's faster to switch from those two weapons than basically anything else except for CSG and HAR

imo Siege Mode is just way too overpowered and stupid

Precision is much more fun to use

except on UN, Siege Mode is an exception there

DKSMS goes brrr

https://youtu.be/_4vQ7yYvB4s?t=60

so for example, in this video (I timestamped it to 1:00

[viscid jungle]

h

[untold stirrup]

you can see sylar doing some swaps that people may call "irregular"

but the weapons flow extremely well together

that's why some swaps may be interrupted with the CSG, HAR, or the plasma rifle

it's quite funny really

weapon swaps override anything you do, and yet using equipment also overrides anything you use

it's genius really, pairing these two together to decrease weapon swap time

[loud torrent]

Doom

[wispy verge]

whats RL again?

[untold stirrup]

Rocket Launcher

[wispy verge]

im stupid

[untold stirrup]

nah its fine lol

[wispy verge]

Just doesnt quite make sense for me to use the HAR's and CSG's base fire in a quick swap

why not use micro missiles and explosive shot for example?

I assume that slows things down and reduces DPS?

[untold stirrup]

it's because unless paired with mod swap or holo swaps mod usage makes swaps longer

by delaying them by more than a couple of frames

and sometimes HAR and CSG shots are simply there to make swapping smoother, it doesn't necessarily have to hit or do damage

it's like PB + Rocket in Eternal

sometimes the precision shot misses but due to how fast the actual swap is

it's not going to make much of a difference and still do huge damage

[wispy verge]

ah okay

[wispy verge]

also this is fucking broken, jesus christ

how does someone even discover this?

[untold stirrup]

when someone notices that weapon swapping can override equipment usage, I'm guessing

[wispy verge]

Are some of these tricks tied to the framerate?

Kinda realised my playstyle is more like "cycling through preferred guns and trying to arrange them into combos on the fly" rather than quickswitching

[untold stirrup]

I think most of the time quickswitching is usually tied to framerate

but with this DPS output I'm not sure if it makes any difference to go a few frames faster

[halcyon bear]

Definitely a prime pick

[halcyon bear]

Eventually you should train yourself to quick switch.

[wispy verge]

doesnt seem fun tbh

[untold stirrup]

maybe, maybe not

if you're grinding UN then quick switching is recommended

[wispy verge]

I mean I guess I should just actually try the actual thing first

[wispy verge]

fuck un

[untold stirrup]

oh right, brb

[wispy verge]

just asking because my framerate is usually both low and inconsistent

[untold stirrup]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiMWs88Htcw you can try this

this uses mod swap tech though

[wispy verge]

Yeah Ive seen that before

but my main question would be

am I just supposed to run up to a guy and do this

until they die

then move onto another guy

and do the same

[untold stirrup]

you could against tough things like hell knights

deletes them faster than normal

[halcyon bear]

Yeah I don't see un being possible if you don't but do you

Its all about fun

[wispy verge]

From an outside POV it just seems pretty repetitive

and even my style of play gets kinda repetitive late game

[untold stirrup]

i think most of the time things get repetitive since most people just SSG + Gauss to get things over with

you can experiment to discover new things

or try new weapon mods or change the playstyle

[wispy verge]

Yeah I definitely notice myself falling into the trap of doing GC SGG over and over again

Mostly happens late game because Im kind of just... tired I guess?

"yey, a Baron again, how nice."

[untold stirrup]

Sylar deleted that cyberdemon in only a few seconds

[wispy verge]

started using Explosive Shot and Stun Bomb today more, Ive definitely been missing out

[untold stirrup]

it only took 7 freaking seconds

[wispy verge]

for me the plasma gun just didnt even exist up until now

[untold stirrup]

you know DKSMS?

[wispy verge]

Yup

Wanted to try it out but managed to forget

[untold stirrup]

it destroys everything and gets rid of the movement penalty which is why I don't really like it

I kinda showed that in the final arena of ARC in a video I recorded where i double shot SSG and DKSMS'ed everything

it was tedious to say the least

[wispy verge]

The devs didnt mean to let us become the lore accurate DOOM Slayer, but we managed to do it anyway

[viscid jungle]

what is that

[wispy verge]

glitch that allows for firing a siege mode shot instantly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtPt_URCw6M&t=10s

Probably a pretty noob question, but what does the SSG zoom actually do?

[untold stirrup]

quirk that allows for an instant charged up siege mode shot to be fired

[untold stirrup]

it tightens the cone of the ssg pellets

[wispy verge]

oh

[untold stirrup]

yeah...

[wispy verge]

Guessed it was something like that, just wanted to make sure

my mom

[halcyon bear]

Slugs would be nice

[wispy verge]

Sounds like it

[fallen otter]

anyone Xbox doom 2016 death match (tryna get xp

[harsh cave]

good to see people not using the 3 blatantly OP runes

[untold stirrup]

RGR, Ammo Boost, and Vacuum?

[harsh cave]

not vacuum, equipment power

it makes siphon grenade give you 15 armor per demon hit, basically making sure you always have infinite ammo

[jolly geyser]

holy fucking shit

[halcyon bear]

Where's the fun / accomplishment in that. Wouldnt even do that for my nightmare runs. No honor in it

[harsh cave]

yeah i only do it in UN now

[halcyon bear]

Still wouldn't honestly. My nightmare strategy works fine

[untold stirrup]

oh I see

yeah equipment power is fucking BROKEN

[harsh cave]

it just feels bad to lose specifically because i was too stubborn to use the good stuff

[untold stirrup]

throw it into a group of fodder, free armor

and groups of possessed are easy to find

on UN im gonna use any type of cheese I can get

since I play on a macbook

after that I could probably try it without the cheese

[harsh cave]

any other time imma use air control, armored offensive, and maybe vacuum

[untold stirrup]

but that would require some grinding

[mortal laurel]

I completely forgot what runes i used in 2016. Weren't they a bit more complicated in this game?

[untold stirrup]

Yeah you had to complete trials to get them and complete challenges to upgrade them

[halcyon bear]

My nightmare none cheese way works so ill stick to that but if my first recording goes bad somehow for un...cheese time

[chrome basin]

what's your non-cheese strat?

[jolly geyser]

I tried the glitch and holy shit, it's so damn op

I think I'll main the siege mode now

[untold stirrup]

yep, and it's super easy to pull off

Siege Mode too cheesy for me and it trivilaizes everything so I'll still main Precision

DKSMS also gets rid of the movement penalty of regular siege mode

[jolly geyser]

Yeah. I honestly don't know how come I never heard of the DKSMS before

[untold stirrup]

so you don't even have to master it

like here, you could basically see me cheese my way through all of ARC's last arena with double shot ssg and DKSMS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQXmynC0NlY

[halcyon bear]

Being sweaty. Stun and heat. Nothing special really

[chrome basin]

do you avoid holo-swapping too?

[jolly geyser]

I actually never used equipment power rune, I might give it a try later

[untold stirrup]

I do holo swapping but I don't do Siege, ever

[chrome basin]

why, it's just as bad

[jolly geyser]

always disliked it too, main reason was the movement penalty and I felt like that was ruining the flow of the game

[chrome basin]

either play glitch-free or don't, imo

holo-swapping obv makes a joke of the game too

[halcyon bear]

Its fun though ?

[halcyon bear]

Have you tried it on nightmare yet?

[jolly geyser]

Yeah, a couple times

[untold stirrup]

I holo swap because it simply makes my gameplay faster and allows me to be more aggressive

Siege just takes it over the edge when combined with holo swaps

[chrome basin]

alright, but (non-glitching) siege is at least part of the intended design for the game

[untold stirrup]

Precision is good enough on it's own imo

[chrome basin]

if i were gonna holo-swap to cheese the game, i'd may as well just rail-boost my way past half the level content

i mean that's me personally, heh

[untold stirrup]

I mean I probably wouldn't even have the patience to master Siege normally too

[halcyon bear]

What was the main issue

[untold stirrup]

Precision mastery is easy to get and still overpowered, and I like staying on the move a lot and getting up close, which Siege doesn't allow me to normally without DKSMS

[halcyon bear]

Have you tried it with swap stun?

[jolly geyser]

Main problem is that when I was shooting the siege mode, there's most of times another demon who will damage me. It's really based on timing though. I'm just a bit bad at timing the siege mode I think

[chrome basin]

siege is pretty good for long-distance against big bads so long as you've killed all the small fry around you first

[jolly geyser]

Stun bomb then siege mode? Hmm, never thought of doing that. I can try that

[untold stirrup]

for Nightmare or Ultra-Nightmare though, everything is off the table

also Heat Blast does a surprising amount of damage up close

[halcyon bear]

It definitely does work but you need to have the fast swap ready. Let me know what you think

Works better with bolt

[jolly geyser]

Understood man, thanks for the advice

[untold stirrup]

when I was fighting the cyberdemon first phase, a fully charged heat blast shot did as much damage as a precision bolt shot

[jolly geyser]

nothing is better than spamming rocket launcher with remote detonation and fucking up every enemy in existence. It even damages Pinkies severely when you time the remote detonation just as it passes them by a small distance so it explodes at their tail

[untold stirrup]

yeah remote detonation OP for good reasons

[untold stirrup]

actually adding onto this, I was at a decent distance away from the cyberdemon too

looking back on my footage

[jolly geyser]

that's interesting, I never used the heat blast in boss fights. I just quickswap RL + SSG + GC.

[untold stirrup]

that's what I did but I eventually thought I wanted to mix it up a bit and not make it boring

then I was like "fuck it, I'm already close let's not risk me dying due to my own stupidity"

which I did promptly like 2 or 3 times during second phase

[jolly geyser]

less boring fight I ever had in the game was the Spider Mastermind when I did the no-ammo upgrades NM run. Half of the fight was me fighting it with the goddamn pistol

[untold stirrup]

I wanted to call bullshit on 1 death now looking back at it, it seems like nothing actually hit me

[jolly geyser]

It took me two days I believe

[halcyon bear]

It also is so damn satisfying

[jolly geyser]

^

[chrome basin]

sounds like the exact opposite of doom 1, where the spider mastermind was the most boring letdown in the series, heh

[untold stirrup]

heh

[jolly geyser]

Doom 1 spider mastermind was pretty meh, especially because of the hitscan

I think it was going to better if it had projectiles like the Cyberdemon

[untold stirrup]

wait, can you guys tell me what killed me here? I think I probably got too close but idk

and if I did, wow the cyberdemon's melee range is far

https://youtu.be/9lCAQ-A5wzU?t=395 (timestamped)

[chrome basin]

spider mastermind was great when mappers realized they should couple it with 50 other masterminds and 500 other demons

[untold stirrup]

[jolly geyser]

I think it's the flames

Because you died just as it went above you

[chrome basin]

weird

[untold stirrup]

I thought I jumped over the first flame tho

it just seems like I died mid-air, it's probably just the cyberdemon slapping me

because now I hear the SFX of the cyberdemon melee

jeezus christ if that actually is then that melee range is fucked

at least I killed him

[jolly geyser]

Cyberdemon is sometimes weird or bugged. I once had this bug where he stopped attacking me and he was in his idle animation, just standing in there. When I got closer to him he fucking did his melee attack and I died

but not sure if what you had is a bug, it might be just his melee range being op

[halcyon bear]

Dont at me hahaha

[untold stirrup]

it probably is his melee range being fucked

[halcyon bear]

You got checked son

[grave timber]

LOL

[halcyon bear]

https://imgur.com/a/HZkHPAF

[grave timber]

moose horns or not i still think that design is kickass

[bright apex]

true

[halcyon bear]

Yeah siege stun is risky. But yeah its melting. But bolt combo is way better . Just tested

[halcyon bear]

Baalgar is epic

[jolly geyser]

lmfao

[untold stirrup]

I think that in the time it would take to charge up siege mode shots to take down a demon + stun bomb, you could equally melt them with bolt combos

considering that mastered bolt shots also explode, no matter how much you charge them

even the lowest charge will still explode

[halcyon bear]

Thats what I'm seeing too. Plus you're getting more bolts off

[rich vine]

Sup, guys

I've been trying to play multiplayer, but it's so damn annoying my game crashes in 91% like 8/10 times

Is there any fix for it? (Steam)

[wispy verge]

Problem is that I just dont use equipment

[wispy verge]

Somehow I speedran that in my current run

Usually takes a while but not this time for some reason

[stable niche]

Sup amigos and senoritas

[untold stirrup]

sup

[untold stirrup]

souup

[wispy verge]

a lot of soup

[halcyon bear]

Vajdani soup

[untold stirrup]

so just emoji soup

[elder meadow]

helu

[untold stirrup]

hi

[wispy verge]

🤨

[harsh cave]

Or make Obama slayer mii in smash bros

[tropic solstice]

Definitely trump

[tropic solstice]

[frigid remnant]

is there a channel for its music

[snow heron]

#music my friend

[wispy verge]

Do grenades falter enemies?

Should I start using equipment?

[frosty bluff]

Yes, but Siphon or Holo. Frags are way less useful imo (and also I don’t think faltering exists in 2016).

[wispy verge]

Holo seems too cheesy

Ill def try siphon though, I always need health

[halcyon bear]

It does in a form of a stun

Flinch/ stun I'd call it I guess

[halcyon bear]

Yeah siphon is definitely usable

[untold stirrup]

When not holo swapping holo isn't actually super useful except in really frantic situations where you need to divert the enemy's attention onto something else, but otherwise just use grenades/siphon

siphon is also broken as fuck when paired with mastered equipment boost

paired wit RGR is guarantees you don't go below 100/75

it's essentially the flame belch from Eternal but worse since it requires a rune

[wispy verge]

Lmao

[untold stirrup]

and technically better since it's automatically AOE

and you don't have to sweep it across enemies

and you can use it from far away

jeezus this shit is broken

[wispy verge]

They sure are

This is my problem with them, Id rather continue to shoot my gun than throw something that's worth as much as a fart

[untold stirrup]

right, I forgot about that grenade animation

does switching weapons cancel it out like holo? Never tried it

but probably not, otherwise we'd have grenade swaps

grenades are actually powerful in Eternal due to the faltering system

[azure narwhal]

is doomslayer's beserk more powerful or kratos rage mode??

[royal chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/godzilla-let-them-fight-fight-ken-watanabe-watanabe-gif-5687182

[halcyon bear]

Yeah grenades would only be helpful if you ficked up really really badly and even then barely

[oblique herald]

doom 2016 or doom eternal?

[royal chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-por-que-no-los-dos-yey-gif-15089379

[warped tundra]

Doom

[oblique herald]

correct

[royal chasm]

All Doom Is Good Doom

[flint dune]

Both are great ^

[royal chasm]

except maybe tag2

[flint dune]

Eh in my opinion TAG 2 is still a pretty good expansion. Expectations were just set too high.
The only piece of official Doom content I’d consider not great, is 2016’s VFR.

[royal chasm]

I disagree. id made a conscious choice to to the Big Bad End Boss Devil Himself battle during a pandemic when tensions were high and their ability to do their best work was hindered by nobody being able to go into the id offices. They set the stakes too high- they should have done a smaller battle and saved Davoth for a later expansion/new doom game

[flint dune]

Oh I definitely agree the Boss was a miss. It should have been saved for a full game given the stakes.
But I still got a good time out of the expansion nonetheless

[royal chasm]

how was that.... ugh fine ok vega

I really enjoyed my first playthrough but when I stopped to think about it I kept just looking at the lore and going "heyyy"

[halcyon bear]

All doom

[harsh cave]

plutonia experiment

doom rpg

[halcyon bear]

I love plutonia

I love all doom. I'd have physical copies of rpg If I could. The doom room needs it

[royal chasm]

I was at NYCC this weekend and I was looking for all the DOOM merch I could. I found some metal pins of all the Eternal weapons but they were meh

The real gem was the Doom box art fridge magnet I found

[halcyon bear]

If limited run did a set

[halcyon bear]

I bet Its amazing quality though. Doom merch is rare but really well made

[royal chasm]

it sticks to my fridge really well

[strange fable]

Am I the only who thinks Doom 2016 is better than Eternal?

[errant bloom]

Omg how many times

[strange fable]

I mean for real. I have never talked to another person who agrees with me.

[errant bloom]

Well be more in this server/chat then

Or look in DE YT videos in comments sorted by new

[strange fable]

Seems like a good solution.

Yeah. I don’t know. Just wanted to start up conversation.

[errant bloom]

Understandable, have a great day!

[strange fable]

Thank you. You too.

[harsh cave]

such a common question in this channel

[untold stirrup]

^

[snow heron]

No. I may not share your opinion but I can say you are not the only one

[warm turtle]

i have played like actually nothing from 2016 but felt that it was a little slow, but the desings for the demons are more creepy and i like them more

[strange fable]

I agree. I’m not huge on how much they downplayed the horror aspects of Doom in Eternal.

I love the aspect of suspense and dread in Doom 2016. It isn’t scary just a bit uncanny.

[royal chasm]

Yeah. OG doom wasn't very horror-y except for some scenery, but Doom 16 had so much DREAD in it. Eternal had so much gore that it was a cartoon, which was the intent because they wanted to evoke feelings of OG doom but I feel like they went too far

[strange fable]

Yeah. Like the little pop sound effect when you get a headshot or pull out an eye.

It just kind of annoyed me.

[warm turtle]

i think that for a doom fan that sounds are so out of place but the only game i had completed is eternal and personally the cartoony sounds are very funny to me but i understand that it kinda doesnt fit on a doom game 😭

[halcyon bear]

I love corny horror movies. One of the main reasons I feel in love with doom. I appreciate all its art styles

[velvet stump]

Doom Slayer berserk is just Doomguy not using his weapons

[jolly geyser]

yeah. it is also different from the classic berserk powerup lorewise

[native star]

[untold stirrup]

They expanded like in Doom 2. Some people hated it, some liked it. They tried to be ambitious, and it worked out for most of the part.

[royal chasm]

Oh don't get me wrong I LOVE Doom Eternal, I just wish it had had that gameplay with more horror

[untold stirrup]

The horror aspect is great in 2016, but I felt like with all the world building in Eternal, horror couldn't really be implemented, except for maybe the destroyed ARC base.

[chrome basin]

well doom 2 had the same problem, better realized enemies / gameplay mechanics, but then the tradeoff was its level design went to shit

especially the first stretch of levels. no comparison whatsoever to how great episode 1 was

[untold stirrup]

The city levels were especially shit in doom 2...

[halcyon bear]

Map 29 though

[torpid swallow]

Anyone around?

[halcyon bear]

Always

[harsh cave]

right, it just makes him so angry he cant hold his guns without crushing them

[untold stirrup]

that might be the best take I've ever heard actually

[jolly geyser]

honestly it truly fucking is

to a point I screenshot it already

[vast pawn]

As well don't agree at all, as DE gave me something huge 2016 didn't, but indeed ya not the only one. Matter of preferences, all fine.

[wispy verge]

Tbh I never felt the dread nor noticed the horror aspect

[jolly geyser]

it's mostly felt during exploring the missions after you kill arenas, when everything is quiet and there's ambient sounds/music in the background.

if you turn off the music it's even more horror imho

well that's obvious

[wispy verge]

That's heresy though

[jolly geyser]

I did a whole playthrough without music

[wispy verge]

🗿

[jolly geyser]

my honest opinion, is that the game is miles scarier without music than DOOM 3 lmfao

[wispy verge]

Might consider doing a run like that

[jolly geyser]

the best part is the clearer sounds of the gibbing during glory kills

[compact hare]

Both Eternal and 2016 somehow make me shit bricks when just exploring

Even with the mini music or ambience, i just feel a sense of dread or loneliness while exploring

[jolly geyser]

Yeah, I feel the same as well when exploring in the DOOM games.

No matter how intense it can get, the exploration parts are still very spooky.

Urdak's theme in Eternal bro

[compact hare]

Oh yeah that shit made me jsut feel something

Doom 2016’s electronic ambience in certain levels was cool, the hell levels ambience was just

The choir would play for the first 10 seconds after clearing an arena and then nothing, just silence, sounds of flames

Eternal’s ambience makes you feel something, like some sort of dread and loneliness, both games making you know that you’re practically the only one in this universe that could save the whole world from damnation

[jolly geyser]

DAMN well said

Why does this channel have so many great takes

[untold stirrup]

[wispy verge]

based chat

[jolly geyser]

indeed

[sleek herald]

I dont know man eternal just doesn’t seem as serious

[royal chasm]

headshot POP

[fiery yoke]

Gonna take a minute to say that kadingir Sanctum kicks so much ass as a mission

[royal chasm]

yes

[jolly geyser]

especially the last fight

[fiery yoke]

Never get tired of playing in on nightmare and shredding everything while Mick's beauty plays in the background

[wispy verge]

still dont understand how some people dislike Damnation

[jolly geyser]

It's a good track

[halcyon bear]

Doot https://imgur.com/a/zzllUjw

[untold stirrup]

Damnation slaps

so does Harbinger

and Mastermind

[keen sable]

hey guys, does the all runes achievement bug out as it usually does if i restart the mission i'm currently in after already getting the first rune of the level?

i know it doesn't work if you get the runes from mission select since that's what happened to me but i'm on my 2nd playthrough and wanted to get it

[untold stirrup]

Don't think so? And wdym by "all runes"?

do you mean the "Walk The Path" challenge which requires you to acquire a Rune Trial Stone?

[keen sable]

the circle is complete

[untold stirrup]

oh

then I don't think so at all

it just resets the progress pretty sure, but take this with a grain of salt

[keen sable]

hope it works then, thanks

[untold stirrup]

I can finally play more 2016 today

time for Titan's Realm

[snow heron]

Such a fantastic introduction to Hell. Way better than Eternals. Exultia is fine and all but Kadingir Sanctum is better imo

[halcyon bear]

Love that intro

[viral garnet]

what the fuck?

i've found through my experience with doom music that if you dislike a track, its only because you haven't heard the right mix for it yet. this applies to all fucking doom music, even TAG's.

[wispy verge]

Always listened to Koma's mixes, but then I found fatmetro's mixes. God damn, Koma's are good, but metro's are even better

[royal chasm]

tag is fine. it's not melodic enough

[spice shard]

hi guys

how long is doom 2016

[flint dune]

Sup. On average about 11-12 hours. Really depends on how much you challenge yourself and whether or not you explore for secrets.

It probably takes roughly 20 hours to 100% your save, that is if you’re exploring blind and don’t look up guides.

[polar lake]

Lost one of my better UN runs to a Baron yeeting me out of the arena during the last fight on Kadingir, I'm drained

[wispy verge]

I kinda prefer the TAG tracks over base game

[untold stirrup]

OOF

First time with the Hell Guards. They're actually easier than the cyberdemon once I figured out you could interrupt the fireball attack by shooting them...

Cyberdemon took me like 8 minutes with about 6 deaths I think? Hell Guards was about 6 minutes and 3 deaths