doom-2016

[weary pulsar]

yeah

shredding demons to a red paste using the turret is fun

[ornate basin]

Dont even remember what the other chaingun mod is

[halcyon bear]

Gatling rotator

[left wing]

guess that's it, I dont really like that version but I do like the more "calmer" bits

[flint dune]

Are you kidding me...the Spider Mastermind bugged out, health bar is gone, she’s just sitting there, I’m on UN....agh, I guess I gotta force close and fight her over again.

This happened before, I posted it in #videos a few days ago. Seems if she goes into a falter animation right when the last phase starts, this bug happens.

Oh thank god, she didn’t bug out. Finally did it, I beat UN

[versed cipher]

WOO

[halcyon bear]

Fuck yeah buddy. Should have recorded that shit. Would have loved to have seen it

[fiery yoke]

Oh my god congratulations, you're one of the greatest in my eyes man

[slim meteor]

I hope more people come back to the multiplayer. Especially on xbox, it's so much fun.

[flint dune]

Dammit! You’re right I should have recorded it. Agh, oh well. Anyways, thank you all for the congrats, glad to have finally beaten this. Definitely took some time to get there.

[slim meteor]

One can dream

[manic garden]

wait

im drunk, this is 2016 not eternal

[elder meadow]

anyone wanna play doom 2016 tdm?

[heady barn]

who’s still here

[slim meteor]

I am making it my duty to play 2016 multiplayer every day to keep it alive. It's so much fun

[versed cipher]

Multiplayer is pretty good in 2016 and surprisingly very fun.

It reminds me of Halo in a way

[slim meteor]

Like halo meets quake almost

[elder meadow]

2016 multiplayer was underrated when it came out

[tired eagle]

The main problem with it is: Why play it over quake live

[slim meteor]

Well from a console perspective it's the closest thing to quake.

[tired eagle]

True, but arena shooters dont lend themselves too well to console play

[slim meteor]

But for people that don't like pc it's perfect

[slim meteor]

Not to mention there is a market for console arena shooters

[halcyon bear]

Its just practice. As someone who uses a controller for high level play

[slim meteor]

Yeah same, although I don't do much pc gaming as my laptop can barely run minecraft sometimes. I only play source games and doom on it.

[dapper hearth]

Arcade mode is so, fun, oh my god I love it, I beat Titans realm in 12 minutes, on hurt me plenty, which is absolutely insane, and I learned to quickswap really well

[smoky mirage]

I want tdm for eternal

I mean Invasion mode is similar I guess

[slim meteor]

They won't add tdm for eternal. It won't work. Hopefully they add a much better multiplayer mode for the next doom game.

[halcyon bear]

Alot of people love battlemode. It's not going anywhere

[dapper hearth]

imagine doomslayer turned into a furry.. (just gonna leave you with that thought)

[cloud shale]

My 8 year old brother wants to play doom 2016, should I let him? I would prefer not to.

[keen snow]

i mean, hmmm. The violence is pretty cartoonish, but less cartoonish than Eternal

maybe show him Doom 1993?

[fair stratus]

If he really wants to play doom show him the original one, or at least one of those three original ones

[keen snow]

yeah doom 1993 is still fun. And it came out before I was born and I never played more than 2-3 levels of it until like 2 years ago, so I have no nostalgia goggles on

[wraith tangle]

what's a good route for masteries? maybe not speedrun lvl, but just casually trying to hit 100 % without mission select

[elder meadow]

Spoilers to doom 2016: giant monke boss

[abstract isle]

Told ya, arcade is great

[graceful sonnet]

Does anyone know how lively multilayer is?

[halcyon bear]

Arcade Is a blast keeps things fresh everytime

[halcyon bear]

[graceful sonnet]

Cause just now kinda just decided to plat it

And need to play a bit of multiplayer for it

But screw multiplayer trophies...

[abstract sail]

is there a code to unlock un or do i have to do the into the fire mission

[fiery yoke]

Must have a completed save

[timid jacinth]

Is it hard to get into doom 2016 after playing eternal?

[fiery yoke]

I couldn't really say myself since I did 16' first way before eternal. But I guess it would be hard to pickup since you don't have all the conveniences of Eternal

[versed cipher]

Depends on how shitty your muscle memory is.

Just kidding. But I didn’t struggle too much with 2016 and I played Eternal first. Perhaps it’ll be the same with you, obviously it’ll take some getting used to.

Just think of 2016 as its own game.

[fiery yoke]

Because it is

[versed cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/smart-thinking-thoughts-think-ponder-gif-7713620

[timid jacinth]

Gotcha

[pine trellis]

Anyone wanna do a match on doom 2016?

[idle hinge]

Well on the switch version there is no one to play with on the multiplayer on any mode, but I don't know if it's a crossplay game. It is?

[zinc robin]

they need to make multiplayer cross platform

[slim meteor]

That would be neat but I doubt it. Maybe for the next doom multiplayer they will.

[abstract isle]

Pc is very active typically

Making it crossplay would boost the numbers but I doubt they'll do it

Hence why I doubt it

but given the anti-cheat is abysmal it won't do any more damage than that

Either option would boost the mp's numbers but it would probably just be better to import it to eternal (significantly more doubt)

Given afaik eternal doesn't even have region based matchmaking for Battle mode

[regal mason]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/790730581473886221/849996734582095872/wGOS2cn17fPHAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg.png

Argent D'nur is a real place on google maps now

[halcyon bear]

Id still fuck them up

Making it optional would work for those that aren't skilled enough

Something like cod

[inner knoll]

Played DOOM 2016 multiplayer last night and lots of action 🤘

[elder meadow]

are you sure lol

PC mp in d2016 is completely dead for me (Steam), i can't find a single person online

[inner knoll]

I played around 10pm, Pacific Time, had a blast !

[simple pivot]

Epic

[regal mason]

[elder meadow]

boutta do a doom 2016 nightmare run

[regal mason]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/793309008563273739/799405933439614996/image0-26-1.gif

[elder meadow]

just completed level 1 and i'm salty

[regal mason]

:pain:

[dapper hearth]

Should I try and beat the campaign on nightmare, I’m almost finished with the ultra violence campaign

[halcyon bear]

Alot of people consider it to hard. I've put in alot of hours so I love it but the majority do not

[regal mason]

"r u sure? this mode isnt even remotely fair."

[dapper hearth]

No u

[regal mason]

I am not fair 😔

[dapper hearth]

Yes unfortunately

[halcyon bear]

Yeah its fine after 2000 hours. Uv gets old

[regal mason]

lol

[obtuse stag]

Oh i know the pain i just finished the expansion trophies for doom 2016 and they were annoying but at least i got it out of the way

[graceful sonnet]

Rn I'm just wondering if there's a big enough player base to do the 2016 multiplayer achievements

[obtuse stag]

I mean there is a community every time i played i had no trouble finding a match

[graceful sonnet]

Oh thats good

I've played farcry 5 recently and the same can't be said

[violet plover]

Anyone still do snapmap?

[earnest tide]

any player for doom 2016 on switch ?

[abstract isle]

What region and time are you checking

I live in Australia and there's no one in asia-pacific so I have to pick NA and EU

[earnest tide]

region : automatic and time : now.! im in Canada but i don't know if that have an impact. we're only two.. it seems that people abandoned the game...

[elder meadow]

EU, time is like, just whenever lol

[abstract isle]

Well in EU typically at 4pm GMT is good I think

I forget the time off the top of my head

[umbral spruce]

I semi take it back

[slate raft]

What is the 3 yellow can thing item

I can't pick it up

I just started playing this game lol

[harsh cave]

3 yellow can?

[slate raft]

Yeah

[harsh cave]

#screenshots ?

[hot oriole]

Ammo?

[slate raft]

Here I'll post it in #screenshots

[versed mural]

Engineer gaming

[harsh cave]

you missed the plasma rifle secret

[slate raft]

Thx

I've been trying to get into doom for a while now

And I have both 2016 and eternal so my weekend is covered xD

Been wanting to get into the lore and everything

It's a quality series

[dapper hearth]

a

[dapper hearth]

Which game lore

[slate raft]

2016 and eternal

[dapper hearth]

Alright

So it’s assumed that the DOOMSLAYER from 2016 is the Doomguy from the originals

Because at the end of DOOM 64

Doomguy sealed himself in hell

And died

In doom 2016,

You the player

Wake up in a coffin

Where you later found out a team went to hell to retrieve your coffin

So it’s assumed that 2016 continues the story from “DOOM” “DOOM II” and “DOOM 64”

[sleek herald]

Ye

[manic garden]

and then that's confirmed in Doom eternal that doomguy is the doom slayer

[halcyon bear]

[solemn shuttle]

Still amazing!

[halcyon bear]

Bro. This is worth a few hundred now! Epic. Hold on to that bad boy

[dapper hearth]

Yup

[abstract isle]

I've go it too, great book

[versed mural]

Ill buy it for $20 no high balling

[viral garnet]

i love the vibe that both doom 2016 and doom 64 went for

[thorny maple]

Should I buy doom eternal or Doom 2016? I'm not sure if it would be worth spending $50 on eternal, but it seems to be better gameplay wise. What do you think?

[halcyon bear]

Save up and get both

[flint dune]

While I prefer Eternal, I think it’s better to play 2016 beforehand. You should definitely check both out when you get the chance though.

[inner knoll]

Got both 2016 and Eternal Deluxe Edition for $50 on steam. Just check for sales. Eternal is on Xbox pass too if you jyst wanna try it, think first month is $1 then falls to $9.99...

[thorny maple]

I haven't played a single doom game in my entire life, so I guess i'll start with the 2016 one then.

[dapper hearth]

Play it in order of release, but 2016 is a good start to the modern games if you’re only interested in gameplay

[inner knoll]

Doom, Doom 2, Doom3, Doom64 and Doom Eternal are all on Xbox Game Pass, works for PC too... check it out

[thorny maple]

the story seems good, but I don't have the time and money to buy all of the previous ones

oh xbox game pass

which two?

What is final doom?

nvm

[halcyon bear]

Definitely need to give classic a go.

[rigid bridge]

I got both for 30 dollars total during that massive sale

[rigid bridge]

If you have 15 dollars to spare you can get doom 1, 2, and 3
And final doom is included with doom 2, ask if you want help getting that and getting the wads out to play on a source port

[dapper hearth]

Yeah then it might be better to start with 2016

[elder meadow]

edwae

[rigid bridge]

Explain

Elaborate.

[hollow schooner]

doom 2016 multiplayer is a master piece

[jolly geyser]

everything in Doom 2016 is a masterpiece

except platforming

[hollow schooner]

yes

truth

[hollow schooner]

anyone want to play multiplayer with me later (i wont have mic on)

[elder meadow]

I got doom 2016 today

Because i loved doom eternal

But i have a problem with it

The game look too slow for me

Like doom eternal was fasters

But i don't know

[inner knoll]

I'm about to play Doom 2016 multiplayer...

[flint dune]

Well of course, hopping into 2016 right after Eternal will make it feel “slow” in comparison. It’s best to take a break before heading into the game, so your muscle memory is refreshed and can adapt to 2016’s gameloop. Before Eternal released, 2016 was considered an adrenaline-inducing, fast-paced shooter, and it still is. I’d try to at least get to the halfway-point of its campaign before determining anything.

[elder meadow]

Oh ok thx

That was a good explication

[inner knoll]

I can never find multiplayer games in team deathmatch

Only in Team Play... 👎

[noble moat]

Well multiplayer is like 5 years old and hated at launch

So no surprise

[halcyon bear]

^

[azure pawn]

Question: Which glory kill sound effect system do you like better?

2016’s mini music remixes
Eternal’s deep choir sound effect

[tight mortar]

Where do I find Vega’s ‘Holy shit’ line in snapmap?

[elder meadow]

I keep killing myself with my STUPID ROCKET LAUNCHER

[marsh grove]

Classic doom map in advanced research complex was a pain in the ass

[keen snow]

The classic doom maps just aren’t good in general because Possessed Soldier =/= Zombieman

And because the pistol is worthless, and because the 1993 chaingun isn’t the chaingun it’s the Heavy Assault Rifle

[flint dune]

2016’s music bites would sometimes interrupt the track abruptly, which got irritating after a while. Especially when they’d bug out and cut in and out of the combat track, or loop twice.

Actually these are the reasons why Mick cut the feature out of Eternal in the first place. Though the stream where he stated this info has been taken down.

[amber frigate]

Have pistols in doom ever been useful?

[keen snow]

It’s a perfectly serviceable temp gun until you get something else. But again, standard possessed soldiers are way tougher than a zombieman

[halcyon bear]

Environment is important

[abstract isle]

You're not immune to splash damage at the start

[abstract isle]

A damn, damn shame, it's in a good spot now, a few tweaks could be made but it's enjoyable as heck

[noble moat]

Yea

[abstract isle]

I prefer it so much more to battlemode, the armour customisation alone is fantastic

[eternal mauve]

is anyone else having issues loading snapmap?

my monitor just freezes when i press the confirm button thingy and I need to restart my computer after

[abstract isle]

I think I just had my best clan arena game 10:1 K/D

[austere thunder]

I finished the campaign for the first time lmao

[compact hare]

Congrats!

What difficulty btw if you don’t mind me asking?

[dapper hearth]

I’m trynna beat the campaign on Ultra-violence, yeah I died on the surface of mars almost instantly, looks like that’s not happening

[dapper hearth]

Same

[halcyon bear]

Do nightmare practice runs

[dapper hearth]

Arcade mode?

Or campaign

[halcyon bear]

Ohhhh thought you said UN bro. Not uv. Nothing wrong with sticking to hurt me plenty if you're not enjoying yourself on uv

[elder meadow]

Yeah ik, it’s a new save

[dapper hearth]

Honestly the easiest difficulty was kinda hard for me

Then again I suck at video games

[viral garnet]

2016's what?

[fiery yoke]

During glory kills a small snare is usually played

[viral garnet]

ohh nvm i get what they meant

[viral garnet]

i like the minimusic stems but they could have been better implemented

nothing like glory killing a room of fodders and hearing the same loud sting over and over again distrupting the music and its tempo

[azure pawn]

Jesus you didn’t have to ping me every time

[jolly geyser]

[halcyon bear]

Ping is the equivalent of music stopping for glory kills

[jolly geyser]

Agreed

Although I like the mini-music remixes a bit

[halcyon bear]

Same

[humble wolf]

Hallo

[compact hare]

is it just me or is the mancubi in doom 2016 sillier than in doom eternal

[azure pawn]

sillier?

As in design or difficulty?

[compact hare]

Design

[fiery yoke]

I adore the fact manc has jiggle physics

[azure pawn]

oh I didn't expect the images to actually appear lol

since you can't put them here regularly

anyway

I don't see how the 2016 mancubus is sillier looking than the six nippled eternal mancubus

@compact hare

deleted that message with links (dear god) and images (NO)

idk if that's entirely legal here

(rules and all)

[compact hare]

no i’m talking about the design of their head

the eternal mancubus has eyes and teeth while the 2016 mancubus just had a thingy for an eye and it made it less expressive thats why i said it was silly lol, nothing much

[halcyon bear]

Just you.. it looks bad ass

https://imgur.com/a/BwIf02N

[azure pawn]

we're allowed to post images here??

[halcyon bear]

Its funky at least

https://imgur.com/a/f3AHwdr

Just a really weird look which I dig

[azure pawn]

yeah

it gives me a lot of Wayne Barlowe vibes

and it also makes the Cyber Mancubus make sense

since the regular mancubus' guns are organic

whereas in eternal the mancubus is already cyber and then the cyber mancubus doesn't make sense since the regular eternal mancubus is already cyber

[humble wolf]

Are the Doom 2016 trophies glitch still patched?

Many people complaint they didn't get the trophy after completing some stuff

[manic garden]

it literally looks like it could be a ben 10 alien on the right side

[flint dune]

Nope, they’re not fixed and they’re going to remain that way, unfortunately. The last update/bug fix this game received was in 2017 and I doubt they’ll return to a game that’s 5 years old.

[compact hare]

O damn looks like i won’t be able to platinum the game

[abstract isle]

No 2016 is a badass

[abstract isle]

Hacker: T02-Nemesis, PC, NA, Speed hack, possible jump hack

[dapper hearth]

no

[rigid bridge]

Yes
But with an outside source

[halcyon bear]

If a trophy doesn't activate you need to redo them in order with a new save file. Usually does the trick. Same thing happened to me in wolfenstein old blood

[chrome basin]

which trophies don't activate? (is it an issue on pc as well, for steam achievements?)

i think all i need are the multiplayer ones at this point. i've never played it before, and idk if they'll still be possible if certain game modes are dead

[torn shale]

Anyone have the doom rip and tear mp3

If u do dm it

[flint dune]

The most common one is the “Circle is Complete” trophy. If you don’t complete all rune trials during your initial playthrough of the save, the achievement won’t register half the time.
I believe this happens on all platforms as well. @chrome basin

Multiplayer trophies are still possible, though games may be difficult to find depending on your region and platform.

[viral garnet]

okay, so i downloaded the doom 2016 demo and changed the settings to use vulkan rendering instead of opengl. now it crashes as soon as it starts.

is there a way to change it to use opengl from the "launch options" in properties?

[mighty flicker]

if you go to c drive>users>your user account>saved games>id software>doom>some other folders, you get to a folder called base. theres a config file called DOOMconfiglocal.local, open it in notepad and edit r_renderAPI to "0", 0 is opengl and 1 is vulkan

and if anyone here knows how to get vulkan working id appreciate it bc id really like the extra performance since i have amd

[viral garnet]

thanks!

[mighty flicker]

np

[halcyon bear]

It does and it's the worst one

[chrome basin]

ah right, I seem to recall that now. i haven't played 2016 since launch, but I managed to snag that one (I'm a completionist, so i made sure to get all the secrets and unlocks on the first go around, though i probably didn't manage to complete all the weapon mods on my first play)

i just got a new 280hz gsync monitor, so used it as an excuse to finally try to ultra nightmare 2016 ^_^;;

[halcyon bear]

Dou it

[abstract isle]

UN 2016 is a wild ride, I can get halfway through the foundry now

[halcyon bear]

Keep at it

[sonic harness]

Hey, someone wants to play co-op on doom(2016) i know its dead but none my friends play so im am searching for a parthner to play(sorry for my bad english its not my first language, and im still kinda new on the doom community, like started playing for like 5 months)

[abstract isle]

Sure! what platform and region are you on?

I know consoles aren't the most active but there's a lot on pc

[halcyon bear]

You can luck out on console but it's rare

[sonic harness]

I in console

[sonic harness]

Console and south america

Man i was really wanting to play with someone

And sorry for taking long for responding, im am doing something here

[sonic harness]

So... @abstract isle when you want to like play, DM me, so i get the notification

Its sad that like doom 2016 its pretty much dead for good

[abstract isle]

I only play PC sorry

It's really not in my experience, but like I said, that's only based on PC

[halcyon bear]

You can add me on ps if you're ever in the mood for an ass Whoopin

[sonic harness]

Its ok

[sonic harness]

Ps? I use xbox...

But i think it has crossplatform between ps and Xbox, or im am wrong?

I know the Pc-xbox doens't work, but i think xbox-ps4 works

[grand beacon]

In doom 2016 is PS4 multiplayer still active

@sonic harness it isn't cross play at all

[sonic harness]

Yeah i read it now, its kinda sad

I think im gonna say rip and tearing alone until i found one

Someone plays doom 2016 on xbox? I Just want a parther to rip and tear

[compact hare]

I accidentally triggered a gauss cannon reload, on console.

I shot the ssg, used hologram and instantly swapped to gauss cannon

[obsidian iron]

WHAT

[compact hare]

It triggers a gauss cannon reload so i do not recommend doing it

[smoky sage]

@grand beacon I just got into it and I've had some luck on PS4 multiplayer. Seems like the same 10 people play.

[halcyon bear]

Yeah. It's decent once in a while though. I was able to get all the trophies in a couple of days

[smoky sage]

@halcyon bear Me too minus the cyber demon and robot skin ones. I wish eternal had death match alongside the battle mode.

[abstract isle]

I wish the mp was fully imported over, there's a bunch of new armour styles that could be added with Eternal's content, more challenges and weapons and demon runes

But alas, 2v1 mp only in Eternal

[smoky sage]

@abstract isle maybe in the year two pass.

[cobalt egret]

I feel like it’s pretty stupid that just because 2016 is not as good as eternal, it’s treated like a bad game

[halcyon bear]

Only by morons. It is a critically acclaimed game loved by all real doom fans at release and one of the greatest fps games ever made which also saved the franchise

[dapper hearth]

Does literally anybody wanna play doom with me, I’m depressed and have nothing to do

[abstract isle]

I wouldn't argue is either is better than the other, one is better than the other is one respect but not in others

[dapper hearth]

what

Oh nvm I see what you said now

[halcyon bear]

Most people that say 2016 is bad are new players that never played a doom game in their lives until eternal and dont know any better ...just like shiny new things and will most likely lose all interest in eternal in a year and will probably say eternal is bad when the game after that is out

[dapper hearth]

I started with 2016 so I prefer it over eternal

[abstract isle]

Yeah if you go from eternal to 2016 having played nothing else it'll skew how you see doom

Like I played a bit of the original on mobile before 2016 came out

[short marlin]

So I got a question, when I bought doom 2016 long time ago, it came with "season pass" and under it 3 multiplayer dlc packs with a revenant background and under the bethesda/Id logo it has a code but I have no idea to know if it's valid or means something else? Anyone have a idea?

[trim nacelle]

i agree, i started with 2016 and i loved it but l prefer doom eternal level design, every level feels different especially visually, but in 2016 it was mostly red hell, and towards the end i wasn't that excited about the end it felt like repetitive game design, but i get what you are saying and i feel like it's just me because that was my first doom game.

[silk acorn]

They just shouldn't be compared imo

And every doom fan should play doom 2016

[trim nacelle]

yeah

[silk acorn]

It's still a great game, and will always be a great game, no matter how much better eternal is

[dapper hearth]

kill me, i just witnessed a barron of hell kill itself

[chrome basin]

eternal has better arcade combat mechanics, but 2016 has much better level design, immersion, and atmosphere imo (plus a more straightforward and consumable plot)

so it depends what you favor. 2016 features a better balance, like og doom, imo

also, just finished my first UN run =x https://youtu.be/wv8fN8TJmVU nothing fancy, far from flawless gameplay, but i did it, yay.

[halcyon bear]

Well done. Respect

[jolly geyser]

Good job my man

[chrome basin]

ty ^_^;; wanted to go back and UN 2016 before doing Eternal. just got a new GSync monitor so figured it was a good excuse

[humble wolf]

How to get into snaphub

[cobalt egret]

Anyone else love that imp glory kill where you curb stomp them

[halcyon bear]

Absolutely. Fuckers deserve it

[abstract isle]

Nice, respect

[elder meadow]

Tried a un run it crushed me XD (I'm not gonna give up!!)

[abstract isle]

I can get halfway through the foundry, the room with the hellnight before the third nest gets me

[elder meadow]

It's clean. it's a respectful and skilled play 👍

Same, but instead of the hell night the frikkin lava kills me

[dapper hearth]

Just finished the campaign on UV, i know its not that impressive but it was hard for me, since i started on itytd

[subtle minnow]

hi

[humble wolf]

How do I killed mancubus with damn pistol?!

[abstract isle]

Aim for the head

Charge it up

[next leaf]

in necropolis where the challenge is to do just that, you can use that quad damage power up to land a headshot on a cyber mancubus, it will still count.

[abstract isle]

I did it the bit after the revenants and cacodemons on the bridges, there's a lone mancubus and some unwilling, you can just dodge and shoot until it dies

[halcyon bear]

So the mancubus is extra weak against shots to the stomach. The cyber mancubus is pretty resistant to those shots though and it's head is also resistant. It's weakness is rockets or heavy rounds.

[fiery yoke]

SSG + rocket launcher shreds everything

[chrome basin]

Like with Eternal, I found the earliest levels to be the toughest. Once you get all the tools and start upgrading perks (especially on a 100% run), you have more room to recover from mistakes. I died a number of times from 1-5, but then once I got to 6 onward I managed to clear them all without any more deaths.

[abstract isle]

Yeah the first are always the hardest

I find the first gore nest and the hell knights are the main hurdles

Once you pass those you've got enough points and tools to really pop off, plus I'm trying to go for 100% so I have the secret points too

[chrome basin]

I haven't attempted Eternal's UN yet, since I wanted to do 2016's first, but yeah I heard Cultist Base was particularly hard for ppl first getting into UN. guess i'll have to be careful on SGN too XD

I have no idea if I'll be able to juggle as many keys as needed to instantly delete Maurauders like the pros

[abstract isle]

Cultist base after you get the rocket launcher is a pain

took me 3 tries on nightmare

[marble grail]

what mission has rip and tear as its music

[pine flax]

Argent D'nur does

[humble wolf]

Do I need PS plus to publish snapmap?

Damn doom 2016 multiplayer is dead on PS4

[halcyon bear]

You can get lucky time to time

If you're after the trophies

[humble wolf]

My region is in Asia, it hardly I get multiplayer here, even if they owned the doom they wouldn't care about multiplayer

[flint dune]

To publish a map publicly, I believe so. You also need the subscription to play other people’s maps. Sucks.

[dapper hearth]

Subscription? I never had to do anything to play other people’s maps, I just go into snapmap and I can play instantly

[flint dune]

I was talking about PlayStation Plus. You need that subscription to play anything that has to do with online multiplayer.

[patent olive]

Hey, I was wondering if I should get Doom 2016 for ps4. I've only ever played Doom, Doom II and Doom Eternal and am looking to get into some of the other games from the doom franchise. But I've heard a lot of people say 2016 feels really slow and weird after playing eternal, and some say that they don't have much fun with it anymore. So I just wanna make sure that I don't make a mistake buying it.

[chrome basin]

imo if you like the classic games, you'd still like doom 2016

[patent olive]

Thanks, I hoped I'd get this kind of response.

[chrome basin]

this is what i had posted just recently above

"eternal has better arcade combat mechanics, but 2016 has much better level design, immersion, and atmosphere imo (plus a more straightforward and consumable plot)
so it depends what you favor. 2016 features a better balance, like og doom, imo"

gameplay is still really good in 2016, just not as specifically-refined as eternal made it with limb-based weak points and such, and the movement is slower without dash and meathook

but it's still intense, in real cool environments

[patent olive]

Sounds great

[chrome basin]

and 2016 def feels more oldschool doomish, with UAC techbase levels and more oldschool hell levels. kinda like doom 3, if doom 3 had good combat

[flint dune]

Definitely get Doom 2016. It’s worth it.

[azure pawn]

The Necropolis and Argent D’Nur

[halcyon bear]

Its a blast. Just play 2016 for 2016 though. Don't go in expecting eternal

[patent olive]

Thanks everyone

Definitely gonna buy it once I have the necessary money

[azure pawn]

Random question: which designs from 2016 or eternal do you prefer?

Example: I prefer the 2016 Mancubus

[chrome basin]

You don't have a PC capable of playing it?

[patent olive]

No, that's why I'll get it for ps4

What does that have to do with the message you replied to though?

[jolly geyser]

I prefer every demon in Doom 2016 over Eternal, but I'd say the opposite when it comes to weapons.

[chrome basin]

it was more like a delayed response to you mentioning you were thinking of getting it for ps4 before, heh

higher level doom gameplay, especially necessary in eternal, relies so much on weapon quickswitching, so idk how console players manage that. i know they can use the weapon wheel that slows time down, but i feel like that would be pretty annoying for every combo you wanna do

[azure pawn]

I prefer every 2016 demon as well

[chrome basin]

i mean i'm not trying to be a pc master race elitist and put playing the games on console down, especially if you have no other choice, but i imagine it plays significantly differently like that is all. i recall a lot of ppl complaining on the now-dead forums about eternal's expansions being too hard (at least on nightmare or above) on console because they couldn't quickswitch, for instance

doom 2016 is less reliant on a billion button combos at once, so that'd probably be okay on ps4, especially if you're already used to eternal on console 🙂

[patent olive]

Yeah, another question. What difficulty would you recommend me to start 2016 on? I play eternal on nightmare difficulty, but I do rely a lot on the meathook and like to stay in the air a lot, which is something I can't do in 2016, so that might make it somewhat harder.

[jolly geyser]

I'd suggest starting with HMP

if you find it boring

switch to UV

[patent olive]

Alright, thanks

[jolly geyser]

np

[flint dune]

All I can say is don’t start out with Nightmare for 2016. You’ll be locked into that difficulty and if you don’t find it fun, well you’re SOL.

[chrome basin]

i usually start on Ultra Violence, ever since the oldschool games

now that i've done 2016's UN though, it's hard to imagine going back

[flint dune]

And many consider 2016’s Nightmare full of bullshit, which, to be honest, it is. You just get better at dealing with it over time.

Yeah, I can’t drop below Nightmare either.

Once you get used to how enemies behave on the highest difficulty, it’s hard scaling down and still feeling satisfied with the gameplay.

[chrome basin]

one difference in 2016 is that, other than Ultra Nightmare, if you die you restart at a checkpoint. Eternal has all those extra lives, and checkpoints kick in after all those are gone, but 2016 simply has the checkpoints

so even if you play at a tough difficulty, you only lose so much progress if you die

but yeah, for a first playthrough, UV is probably the highest that the devs expected players to learn the game at. Nightmare and UN are separated and highlighted in red to signify that they're extra/extreme challenges beyond the norm

[halcyon bear]

I didn't switch over to nightmare until a few hundred hours in. Uv was fine for a bit

[abstract isle]

Don't even bother searching for games in asia, unless you have friends who also have your same version of Doom 2016, if you can switch region, do it

[lapis sonnet]

Is there still multiplayer on Xbox?

I can't find a single match in any game mode.

[simple pivot]

Doom 2016 nightmare is fuckimg brutal

A chip bag being opened in another level is enough to gib you at 50

Makes the game much more exhilerating though, which certainly is the expected pace when coming back to 2016 after playing Eternal

[halcyon bear]

💯

[simple pivot]

Lost souls are legitimately the most dangerous in terms of the damage they do

If they with any other enemy and hit you, you're a goner

[halcyon bear]

Well they tell you they're coming better than anything else

[simple pivot]

For sure

But I guess I'm so used to them hitting with the force of a crumpled up piece of tissue

[azure pawn]

Speaking of lost souls

is it just me or does the Lost Soul AI in Eternal suck?

They keep flying into walls and getting stuck

[flint dune]

Those aren’t actual lost souls, the ones thrown by Pain Elementals. They’re projectiles with no actual AI, think of them like the Revenant’s homing rockets.
Real lost souls barely make an appearance in Eternal, which is kind of odd but eh.

Although Hugo did discuss during a stream that the Lost Soul AI and projectiles were a huge pain to work with.

[abstract isle]

This is the difference in 2016 in eternal, at higher difficulties in eternal, lower demons are still manageable, but in 2016 you can get crossmapped by a fucking imp and I love it

[flint dune]

Well, why wouldn’t they be? The only time actual lost souls show up is once in Exultia and twice in Cultist Base. All the other instances are by Pain Elementals. The bug’s been mostly fixed by now but they still get stuck on geometry, continuously screaming and slamming into walls, and that only happens with the projectile-versions. At least in my experience.

[dapper hearth]

There is but nobody uses it

[sand tinsel]

Yep

[simple pivot]

Nightmare does make 2016 more mindful with dodging and I like that aspect even with the bullshit

[abstract isle]

Agreed, that's why I prefer it to eternal, eternal gives you a lot more faster, 2016 makes you think a lot more about what you have

[sour owl]

Help I’ve done everything in Argent Facility but the second field drone won’t show up

[halcyon bear]

Honestly still haven't found a game that is as intense as 2016 on nightmare

[chrome basin]

i enjoyed the fact that 26 years later, doom fans are still dealing with bugged lost souls getting stuck on walls, somewhat similar to getting stuck within them like in doom 2 ^_^;;

[tight swan]

Re

[simple pivot]

I'm pretty sure doom eternal's nightmare isn't as brutal but that could be the arc master level being easy as hell

[fierce vortex]

does competitive 2016 exist anywhere?

[abstract isle]

Every 2016 multiplayer player should have a knight suit and a cyber demonic suit

because the customisation is god tier

[uneven barn]

Just got this and I absolutely love it

The multiplayer reminds me of halo on the og xbox lol

[halcyon bear]

I honestly rather have massive shits for 3 days than read one more doom 2016 eternal comparison

[pearl ore]

Both are brilliant and the main reason I got into doom as they are the first ones i played, (got 2016 free with my PC)

[last ridge]

Wow I swear doom 2016 on nightmare mode the hardest levels are the early ones

Without double jump and super shotgun

[flint dune]

Well yeah, you’ve got no runes, minimal upgrades and only a few weapons. Enemies can two shot you.

[last ridge]

It's a game that gets easier the further you go lol

Unless you cripple yourself by using no runes and no upgrades

Which im pretty sure someone out there have done

Maybe add no glory kills as well

No powerups as well

Isent that ultra nightmare?

I havent played ultra nightmare btw

But my understanding is u start back frim the start

Ooh

[fierce vortex]

are you a games journalist?

[halcyon bear]

Yeah if you suck at games I'd avoid nightmare

[steep meteor]

Yes, I suck at Doom

[last ridge]

Super shotgun kills everything

What is the worst weapon in your opinion? Not counting pistol

For me it's assault riffle

[fiery yoke]

Plasma has stun mod but otherwise it's pretty low on the usability list.
HAR is fine, micro missiles are way better unupgraded in 2016 than Eternal. Scope mod has usability but I never see anyone or myself use it after argent tower.
Chaingun is fairly pointless, unless you use either weapon mod really.

[halcyon bear]

I use heavy rounds to troll all the time. Stun is super useful in nightmare. And chaingun is pretty fun

[fiery yoke]

I was Ranking by practicality but that's all true

[halcyon bear]

Thats true. Agree with you there

[halcyon bear]

Game journalists are bad at games

[versed cipher]

I'm sure that person who played Ancient Gods is probably really good at other games. Just not...Doom.

[twilit acorn]

I'm currently doing a UV run after playing Eternal to see if I'm still good at 2016. It ain't as easy as I remember.

[elder meadow]

Imagine comparing a game that really started it all

[abstract isle]

I feel like no one has anything new to say on comparisons either, like we all know what people are going to say about it. And I agree with some points but, no one cares anymore, both are absolutely fantastic games

[halcyon bear]

💯

[elder meadow]

They are rage

Brutal, without mercy

But you, you will be worse

Rip and tear until its done

[abstract isle]

Woosh

[rigid bridge]

-doom slayer on his meathook

Oh wait doom 2016 doesn’t have a meathook LMFAOOOOOOO

[halcyon bear]

They are maximum doom

[twilit acorn]

That's the most jarring part of returning to 2016 after so much Eternal.

[halcyon bear]

Yeah I can't play any other video game ever again in all of history because soon as I try I'm just like not eternal this is not eternal eternal eternal why no this eternal and then I shit myself

[twilit acorn]

I played Halo 3 after DOOM Eternal... don't do that.

[rigid bridge]

Lmao

[twilit acorn]

Also, I forgot how good 2016 can look sometimes.

[rigid bridge]

Yeah doom eternal looks like shit tbh

[halcyon bear]

why nO mEaT hOoK

[twilit acorn]

I wouldn't say that. Eternal was going for a less realistic style than 2016 and I think it works.

[rigid bridge]

That was a joke

Eternal looks awesome

[halcyon bear]

Someday someone on this channel is going to actually talk about doom 2016 instead of comparing it with doom eternal. That will be a epic day

[twilit acorn]

Sorry. Hard to tell through text.

[flint dune]

Yep.

[rigid bridge]

I have very deadpan humor gets me in trouble sometimes

[flint dune]

I get why people compare them (even though it’s redundant) but I’m tired of seeing 80% of the conversations in this channel being more about Eternal than 2016.

[rigid bridge]

Holy muppets batman I just noticed your pfp is Kermit

[twilit acorn]

Ok, back to talking about 2016. With all of my original playthroughs, I would get weapons like the chaingun and rocket launcher early, but in my current one I somehow missed the early chaingun.

[rigid bridge]

Damn

[twilit acorn]

I still got it on the main path

But I had to take on a few Barons without it.

[flint dune]

Eh, I don’t really think the Chaingun is that useful in 2016. It has one good weapon mod which needs to be upgraded first before you can really make use of it.

[twilit acorn]

I actually used to be a gatling mod user.

[halcyon bear]

Chaingun really isn't but man is it a blast to use

[flint dune]

It is.

[twilit acorn]

It shreds through Barons

[halcyon bear]

Ripping those things apart with the chaingun is almost as fun as using the HAR devastator rounds

[rigid bridge]

D-d-devastator from duke nukem?

[chrome basin]

i never understood devastator rounds, like i never really felt like they were doing significantly more damage, or enough damage to be worth it compared to just cycling through all the instant-fire weapons

[halcyon bear]

They're really fun for weak enemies and then killing them with a couple head shots. It's one of the most fun things to do in 2016 for me

[twilit acorn]

I miss snapmap in Eternal. That was my only reason for playing 2016 recently.

[halcyon bear]

A map creator like prodeus would have been gold

[azure pawn]

I love 2016’s hell

So ancient

So decrepit

Forbidding

[halcyon bear]

I still remember what it felt like seeing titans realm for the first time

[azure pawn]

And a break from the fire and lava caves hell is usually depicted as

Yeah that was dope

“I killed THIS???”

[chrome basin]

you can kill all the weak mobs in a couple headshots even with the default heavy assault rifle though, can't you?

[halcyon bear]

Yeah basically

[idle saddle]

I just realized

||Hayden was planning to betray Doom Guy for a while||

||In the mission where you enter his office and he puts the tether stuff on you, he uses the excuse of "it's to pull you back from hell", but he also ends up using it to send you back to hell||

[elder meadow]

Yooooo girlfriend gave me Doom for valentines day!!!!

[azure pawn]

Based Girlfriend

[rigid bridge]

You have a good girlfriend

[jolly geyser]

One of the best girls in the world

[ripe plover]

She has my respect

[elder meadow]

That's true love right there... may you both RIP AND TEAR UNTIL IT IS DONE, fellow Slayer

[elder meadow]

I showed this for her, she thanks everyone for the kind words.

God my grammar has been shit lately.

[abstract isle]

I keep shilling the mp in the hopes people talk about how fun it is, alas few take up this offer

[short surge]

Join multiplayer

Need 1 more

Team play

[abstract isle]

Platform and region?

[manic garden]

4 months late from valentines day but she is a keeper

[toxic cape]

Damn i wish i had a girlfriend that gave me shit from time to time.

[manic garden]

lol last time I was in a relationship was a year ago and it wasn't that good because she would pay attention to other things and apparently never had time for me so

and the girl i like rn already has a boyfriend so

[compact hare]

Doom 2016 is so good idk why

[elder meadow]

I've been in two and neither ended well. Both were also long distance, so they were even harder... my last one was especially tough because she was emotionally manipulative of me. She didn't want me to go to Japan and she also didn't want me to play Skyrim anymore, which I never stopped doing anyway, but I'm glad that I ended it. If she knew about DOOM, she would've dumped me so hard.

But anyway bro, you'll find your lady Slayer someday... and when you do, your life will never be the same

[tepid palm]

Long distance is bullcrap because the others persons on the other side can make themselves seem like something they're not

which will make games of manipulation a walk in the park

Never let yourself fall for someone distant, from work or same class in school!

[last ridge]

Anyone wanna play doom 2016 multiplayer?

i never got the chance to play it before

[tepid palm]

is the multiplayer dead?!

[manic garden]

couldn't of said it any better

egirls are temporary

doom is eternal

[last ridge]

multiplayer games die fast

unless ur valve

CS and l4d2 cant die

[tepid palm]

I thought 2016 would surpass the test of time

but I don't play multiplayer, so I didn't knew

[last ridge]

I tried to play multi in 2017 or 18 i cant remember

cant find a single server

[last ridge]

Btw just curious, how many here have finishd on ultra nightmare?

[flint dune]

Quite a few people.
I have, just recently actually. Made it my goal to finish every UN mode in the franchise. Wasn’t easy. Lot of fun though. I will say 2016’s UN was the most challenging in my experience.

Mostly due to how much BS can happen to you on Nightmare. UN was made more as a joke difficulty in this game rather than a legitimate challenge most players could eventually beat.

[last ridge]

So UN on eternal is more fair than 2016?

[flint dune]

Definitely.

However once you get to about level 6 or 7, the amount of overpowered tools in 2016 make the second half of the campaign easier to manage. There are a few peaks though, and BS can always screw you over.

In simpler words 2016 gets easier the farther you progress, but those first few levels can be a real challenge to conquer.

[last ridge]

That's kinda bad game design though, dont u agree?

"Easier the father you progress"

[flint dune]

Eh, yes but it doesn’t impede the game’s enjoyability. At least not for me.

[fiery yoke]

Doom 2016 is meant to make you feel strong

[silk acorn]

"Easier the further you progress" is very very common

[flint dune]

Yep. Plus you have to sort of know the game’s meta if you want to be “OP” half way through.

[silk acorn]

Especially in games like doom eternal and 2016

[fiery yoke]

Hell Eternal's base campaign gets soft towards the end

[flint dune]

I’d say Eternal keeps a steady rise on difficulty, but that’s because the game was balanced better. (I’m not comparing the games here it’s relevant to the conversation)

[last ridge]

Unless u decide to cripple yourself on purpose to make the game harder

No upgrades, no runes

[silk acorn]

Eternal was balanced better, 2016's balance is pretty wack

[last ridge]

no argent energy

[fiery yoke]

If there's one thing you can definitely compare between the games it's balancing, and Eternal did that way better

[silk acorn]

I wouldn't wanna cripple myself on purpose

I hate doing that

If the games gives me upgrades and tools, I will use them

[last ridge]

Crippling yourself does work to increase the difficulty and enjoyment in some games, I beat most of the batman arkham games without any of the major upgrades to health or armor

[fiery yoke]

I find 2016's meta to be super boring so I just quick switch instead

[silk acorn]

I don't like crippling myself

[flint dune]

Well Brawler mode exists for people who want to, which I find pretty enjoyable.

[silk acorn]

But that's just me

I don't like adding artificial difficulty

I want it to be natural

[fiery yoke]

That's fair

[halcyon bear]

Nightmare is good enough for me

[native star]

Imma do brawler mode soon

[elder meadow]

Same here with my friend Pedro. I did a pistol-only run that was really fun.

[last ridge]

You did pistol only on Doom 2016?

[last ridge]

Any video?

[elder meadow]

My friend pedro

The game

I beat it pistol only

[last ridge]

ohh

The game name is My Friend Pedro

I never heard of it till today

[elder meadow]

It was a flash game in the 2010s

Then the angels themselves devolver digital made it into an actual game

It's £15 on steam

[last ridge]

Was anyone actually kinda bumped that we did not get a boss fight with Olivia?

[fossil island]

Kinda, the spoodey at the end

[last ridge]

I swear I heard her laughing just before entering the well

but when entering the well, she was shown to be in misery

[halcyon bear]

That sounds boring more than impressive honestly

[hazy harbor]

is doom 2016 good?

[elder meadow]

Heck YES it's good... it's more than good, it's amazing!

Absolutely get it! 🤘

[tepid palm]

Yes!!!

buy it and then buy Eternal!

play in this order

[hazy harbor]

I already play eternal

Eternal is very good

[median zenith]

anyone that has eternal wanna help me with the 200 kills trophy?

[flint dune]

Might wanna ask, you know, the #doom-eternal?

@hazy harbor Yes 2016 is fantastic. Given you played Eternal beforehand, don’t go in expecting 2016 to play similarly. Because it doesn’t. It stands on its own.

[elder meadow]

For one thing, there's no dash button and you also can't double jump until later on

[tepid palm]

such a shame the guy won't have the correct DooM reboot experience

[fiery yoke]

Eternal and 2016 are wildly different gameplay wise save for the few similarities

[elder meadow]

doom eternal was actually very good game , but doom 2016 is kinda better

https://tenor.com/view/doom-cat-jam-doometernal-gif-19021119

[halcyon bear]

Doom 2016 is the definition of good

[hidden meteor]

same for eternal i was immersed by it's game play but in 2016 i was immersed by the grittiness

[sullen wagon]

2016 got that artstyle on point

Eternal got that fire gameplay

Seriously?? I said "doom 2016 has too many n.i.g.g.l.i.n.g little annoyances early game that make it unbearable" and the shitty bot removed my message it must have thought i was trying to say the n word

The late game gets so easy that i dont wanna bump it down to ultra violence

Its right at kadingir sanctum where it switches

But even then my deaths are little annoying things like not seeing a pinky or missing a jump than the enemies getting the better of me

Still a great game

[sullen wagon]

Pinkies are so fucking funny in this game u can actually just walk around them

[hidden meteor]

yeah the 2016 enemies were harder in my opinion

[fiery yoke]

It's a 50/50

In Eternal; hell knights, cacos, and revenants are stronger.

[sullen wagon]

Imps are ridiculous, its so unbalanced theyre easily the most deadly enemy. Then everyone else is like a little baby

[halcyon bear]

They're super fun to troll

[sullen wagon]

Lol

[hidden meteor]

I kinda did like ultra-nightmare more in 2016

[sullen wagon]

Oh i couldnt imagine un in this game

[hidden meteor]

yeah the game was long

[sullen wagon]

Tbf this is only my third playthrough but for me the early game isnt fun and has so so many bs deaths

[hidden meteor]

i did like how the game like shows your ultra-nightmare death

[sullen wagon]

Eternal un i could do with more practice

[hidden meteor]

yeah early game in doom games are kinda bad personally

[halcyon bear]

Nightmare is really a blast. And I'm excited to record my un gameplay. It's 100 percent doable with skill. Something I can't say about wolfenstein 2 which mein leben mode is the most aids I've ever seen In any video game

[hidden meteor]

wolfenstein 2 was a disappointing sequel

[halcyon bear]

I couldn't agree with you more

[hidden meteor]

The story and everything was just not right and it felt like there was less stealth sections in wolfenstein 2 then the new order

[sullen wagon]

I didnt play 1 but 2 bored me so hard i uninstalled it 2 levels in

[hidden meteor]

buy the new order it is waaayyy more better

[sullen wagon]

Yeah maybe ill go for it thsts pretty weird thst the second one is so much worse

[hidden meteor]

yeah

we should stop talking about wolfenstein

[halcyon bear]

I also uninstalled near the end. Which is fucked because I played new order and blood 10 15 times

Well talking about eternal here is the same as talking about wolfenstein. Which is the point I'm making

[sullen wagon]

Things always go a little off topic no biggie

[halcyon bear]

This is true

[azure pawn]

True

I know I keep saying this but

[halcyon bear]

Doot https://imgur.com/a/zzllUjw

[azure pawn]

2016 artstyle plus Eternal gameplay minus third person cutscenes equals perfect game

[halcyon bear]

Me when I see another eternal comparison

[azure pawn]

They’re hard to avoid

[halcyon bear]

Not at all

They're different games

A good comparison would be going into classic chat and constantly talking about doom 64

[elder meadow]

Yeah

But third person cutscenes arent actually that bad

[azure pawn]

but in a doom game

not really

[fiery yoke]

I did colossus on death incarnate recently, the fact there's an achievement for mein leben shows I'm never 100%ing it

[halcyon bear]

Yeah... and it's doable but to do it you're forced to exploit the levels and play super passive

Which I'm not interested in

[fiery yoke]

Oh god the courthouse battle

[halcyon bear]

You have to hide under a desk ..

[fiery yoke]

Oh no, the desk is destructible.
Everything is in that fight.

[halcyon bear]

The mein leben strategy is left side desk with the chaingun

[abstract isle]

We should make a new rule, everytime someone makes a comparison with 2016 and Eternal, take a shot

Because, even though I agree with some of the comparisons, it's the same thing every time and while I think that's good it's consistent, we all recognise the great strengths of each game, they're different games at the end of the day

[fiery yoke]

Boutta have liver failure

[halcyon bear]

Or going out of your way to bring something out of context because you don't have anything relevant to the conversation

[compact hare]

everyone here would’ve had stage 3 cancer in the liver within the first 2 minutes of the rule in place

[elder meadow]

Nah, it was quite fun

[abstract isle]

What difficulty was it?

[sonic matrix]

I recently played through 2016 all the way to lazarus labs in one night for the first time in over a year

as in recently i mean like 2 days ago

holds up very well as a game

drastically different from eternal in many ways, better in some

[sullen wagon]

what ive noticed about the difficulty in replaying it is that eternal is more about juggling many systems at once and you can always recover from a few hits. 2016 is simpler but the name of the game is dont get hit more than twice or you're done. different kind of challenge, both fun

before this replay i put 2016 at the bottom of my list, below 3 but im appreciating it a lot more now

[merry prawn]

if you guys seen the xbox/bethesda stream and saw that they released a bunch more games onto game pass, including DOOM 2016, why wasnt DOOM 2016 put onto the pc game pass it's like the only game that wasnt put on pc???

I saw that it finally made a return to game pass but I checked back to see that it's just for the consoles ) :

[sullen wagon]

weird

[halcyon bear]

Using only a pistol is the opposite of fun

[carmine lava]

If this is the place where I can say I prefer 2016 to Eternal and not get called a scrub, I need a hug lol

[rigid bridge]

Do people do that in #doom-eternal

[fossil island]

🫂

[carmine lava]

Well I just jumped on this server so I couldn't tell you, but everywhere else... probably yes lmao

oh thanks hahaha

[rigid bridge]

That’s obnoxious

[carmine lava]

I just did a Nightmare run of '16 with:

No SSG
No Gauss
No Lock-On Rockets

And I gotta say, it felt pretty challenging. It's a lot easier to whittle away 2016's sandbox for the sake of higher self-imposed difficulty; if you try to do that in Eternal you're gonna have a bad time

[rigid bridge]

Nice

[carmine lava]

So you have stuff like running up to Barons, heat blasting and then swapping to a charged burst, lots of holograms... I didn't even use the infamous Equipment Power Boosted siphon grenades

[fossil island]

I miss the hologram

was such a neat thing

[carmine lava]

oh god, wasn't it just? I slept on it the first couple playthroughs but then I never went back after I found out how useful it is.

And I also completely slept on 'Intimacy is Best' too. Basically turns everything into a glory kill, haha. Combined with 'Armored Offensive', and you can really crawl your way back to full health/armor if you play well on Nightmare

[rugged dawn]

Im going to play doom for my first time like my very first experanc e and do you guys have any tops

[fossil island]

RIP & TEAR until it is done!

[rugged dawn]

k

[turbid fiber]

Why is doom 2016 multiplayer so much better than battlemode

Im pissed that doom eternal has only battle mode

[halcyon bear]

I love all doom equally. I dont think I could choose one over the other. It all scratches a specific itch

[turbid fiber]

Thats true

[halcyon bear]

Alot of people love battlemode so it's not going anywhere

[turbid fiber]

And doom eternal is the type of game that doesnt really need multiplayer actually

😄

[halcyon bear]

I'm not a fan of multiplayer honestly. I rather challenge myself in a hard campaign mode

I think doom deserves a decent map creator like prodeus

[elder meadow]

Doom 2016 on gamepass FUCK YEEEEEEAAAAAAAA

[carmine lava]

@rugged dawn First time ever? Well then. Get the Super Shotgun Mastery and the Siege Mode Mastery on the Gauss haha. Everyone should get to enjoy those at least a little lol

Other things I wish I knew the first time:
-Runes DO NOT EQUIP AUTOMATICALLY when you earn them
-There are TWENTY-ONE extra weapon points after you max everything (so don't feel bad for missing one here and there)
-In Flight Mobility Rune is your friend.
-Equipment Boost enables Siphon Grenades to give you armor if your health is at Maximum.
-Glory kills always give the same amount of health regardless of the enemy you killed, and it only changes if you're at low health (so don't feel obligated to get glory kills on big demons the first playthrough)

-Pinkies and Cacodemons have bald butts. Shoot the butts.

[halcyon bear]

If you shoot the caco eye at the right time you get a hilarious death animation

[fiery yoke]

Aka pop the eye when it's low health, funniest shit I've ever seen

[chrome basin]

how do you get 21 extra weapon points? i always max out at 17 (11 pre-mastermind)

[carmine lava]

Is that the one where he has a spaz attack and explodes? lol

[sullen wagon]

With what gun

[carmine lava]

I have a screenshot from my stream, I believe. I'll try and pull it up

[halcyon bear]

Yeah haha

[carmine lava]

Cacos are so cute I have a serious moral dilemma with killing them. I have to look away

...darn. I didn't actually pause the game on-stream when I was playing in my maxed save file. I'll have to get a screenshot later. Still pretty sure it's 21 excess weapon points, though

Also, plot twist. What if I said I didn't use SSG in either DooM? lol.

[azure pawn]

Like snapmap?

[carmine lava]

Oh I completely forgot. Most people combo SSG + SG in multiplayer, right?

Welll..... I do rockets + grenade launcher haha. Insane

[halcyon bear]

Its beyond snapmap

[carmine lava]

Which one lol

Plot twist… it’s 2016

[rigid bridge]

His next line is gonna be “maximum doom”

[carmine lava]

Also I just read the damage table for Eternal and my head is spinning lol

So much placebo in my head apparently

It’s kind of a funny anecdote, actually. In ‘16, one SSG blast is approximately 3 Shotgun shots

Butttt with the mastery, now ‘one’ blast equals six shotgun shots

Eternal kept the 6:1 ratio and as a result the combat shotgun primary fire is just as ineffective against anything except fodder

[cobalt hazel]

So I finally tried out the multiplayer for 2016 as I only ever played the campaign, suprised I'm able to get matches in and also damn its actually pretty fun

[carmine lava]

Helllll yeah

Reload cancel rockets and grenades pronto. Use thruster pack for altitude

[chrome basin]

where does one view weapon damage tables?

[carmine lava]

I will DM you since it’s not letting me post it here

Vega, I backed you up onto a USB and this is how you repay me? Lol

There is also a 2016 damage table, albeit a little cruder

[cobalt hazel]

And now I tried Snapmap for the first time, and it's also pretty good some maps I should revisit playing with other people I know that for sure.

[carmine lava]

lol I still haven't touched it

you'd think my achievement OCD would kick in regarding that but... nope

[lyric ridge]

Anyone here play Doom 2016 multiplayer? I'm on Xbox One, can't find any matches at all
Pretty sad that it's dead

[cobalt hazel]

I am currently, and I've been able to find matches so far.(sorry for the late reply)

[lyric ridge]

Lol it's fine

That's odd though, what server region do you use?
That might be the cause of my issues

[cobalt hazel]

I actually have no idea. But I managed to get like 6 matches in today.

[lyric ridge]

I see
Thanks regardless

[cobalt hazel]

No problem, I'm down to play in the future if you need people

[fiery yoke]

Late but I'm on North America server region

[keen minnow]

Im actually super ecstatic...

Final boss, nightmare difficulty with pistol only...I have been trying for 3 years to get the perfect setup, and I finally did

[brittle gyro]

Olivia pierce: we must keep it contained
DooM gut: No you

[vocal stratus]

I don't like DOOM 2016 MP because of loadouts and it felt like halo since it was co-developed by certain affinity, it's the reason why battlemode was CREATED...
Classic Deathmatch would have saved the DOOM 2016 MP...

I don't know why many people forget this...

[silk acorn]

Doom 2016 multiplayer feels like halo? It doesn't to most. It was handed to another developer to do, so yeah

Also loadouts aren't inherently bad..

[carmine lava]

Yeah I’ve never gotten the Halo comparison… at all. You literally have to go around the map to replenish armor/health with pickups on map

[steel moon]

Apparently the doom 2016 multi-player was made by the halo devs? Or so I've heard

Or at least a dev that made more modern shooters

[carmine lava]

Even so, it’s pretty far removed lol. TTK is pretty fast like classic deathmatch as well

Being able to turn into a demon as a power weapon was an excellent decision… some demons were just better though lol

[steel moon]

Yeah I've also heard that it's a shame it wasn't brought back for eternal cause it would have been crazy with the slayers more nimble moveset😁

[carmine lava]

I’m conflicted

It’s a really cool idea on paper, but in reality I got bored fast because it’s too similar to campaign

[steel moon]

Hmmm that might be why they changed it then 🤔

[carmine lava]

And there are soooo many great guns/abilities from 16 MP that should have returned. It’s criminal

They changed battlemode?

[steel moon]

In eternal yeah

In eternal its a 2v1 demons vs slayer

[carmine lava]

Yes I know, I was saying I got bored of that heh

I have 100+ hours logged in 16’s multiplayer

[steel moon]

Ah yeah that's why I was wondering how death match would be when you have eternal slayers moveset and people who know how to use it all

It would probably be quite the dance of death

[elder meadow]

i really like D2016 theme with classic doom

D4V wad is very good

https://tenor.com/view/doom-cat-jam-doometernal-gif-19021119

[steel moon]

Tried d4v but I definitely prefer eoa since it's closer to the real thing

[elder meadow]

in my opinion EOA and D4V are two greats mods

[abstract isle]

Have you played the MP recently? The mp gamemodes are great

[elder meadow]

i will make a series where i will beat plutonia with EOA arsenal

[abstract isle]

And honestly the loadout system simplifies it greatly to the benefit of the game

[steel moon]

Yeah i agree d4v d4t zion and eoa are all great they just target different groups of players

[vocal stratus]

Well yes, but who asked for loadouts in DOOM 2016 MP?

[abstract isle]

Giving access to literally all weapon's in the slayer's arsenal basically means you can't have a team structure, thus by limiting the player, you get more dynamic and interesting combat

[vocal stratus]

We expected the same deathmatch as doom 1 and 2, and even quake...

[elder meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/cacodemon-doom-spray-bottle-gif-15508179

[abstract isle]

The mp is fun because it's like the campaign, the core mechanics are simple, 2 guns, 1 equipment item, simple objectives and powerups that spawn intermittently

Ok but giving the player access to the entire arsenal of the slayer would be dumb for a simple reason, the gauss cannon

You either weaken it compared to the campaign or don't include it

The current mp straddles the middle ground of using it as a power weapon

[vocal stratus]

Ok, i kindly disagree with that “it’s like the campaign” because the campaign you get all the guns, and there’s no stopping you.

Classic deathmatch is just finding a gun and shoot stuff

It’s what revolutionized the MP

[abstract isle]

I'm not making a one-to-one comparison, I'm comparing the nature of the mechanics, of which the mp is simple, and the current mp is no different to that other than you get to choose your gun

[vocal stratus]

They could have at least add a classic deathmatch

and i’ll be cool with it

[abstract isle]

Trends in gaming have evolved over time, that's the nature of gaming, what revolutionised the Doom 1 and Doom 2 deathmatch may not necessarily work in 2016 and beyond

[abstract isle]

You can do this in snapmap

[vocal stratus]

Yeah, but who’s playing that lol?

[abstract isle]

If classic DM was a thing in the current game, everyone would be gaussing each other, so enjoy that

And that simple reason is probably why it wasn't a trendy thing on snapmap

[vocal stratus]

Yeah, that’s what made quake 3 arena so good

[abstract isle]

Fun to some maybe, but not to others

Making the one-shot guns power weapons levels the playing field

Limited weapon loadouts creates strategy and more interesting gameplay

[vocal stratus]

But still, doom 2016 MP beta got steam review bombs, it’s one of the reasons why battlemode was created...

And to be honest IMO, i like battlemode more than DOOM 2016 MP...

Because it’s pure skill vs strategy

If you got the right teamwork of course

only problem is, it doesn’t have alot of content

But then again, covid fucked them over and that really sucks

[abstract isle]

And that's a fair opinion, however the mp got reworked after release and was fantastic but a majority of players had written it off and if anything Battlemode made it's positives much more pronounced

[vocal stratus]

If you like doom 2016 MP, that’s fine, i’m just saying that it doesn’t stay true to it’s original while the campaign does...

Also the maps look hella cool, NGL

[abstract isle]

I like that it doesn't stay true to the original

With the 2016 loadouts and weapons it would suck in that case

[vocal stratus]

I’m questioning on when we’re getting empyrian map style in the new dooms...

And boneyard

[abstract isle]

Battlemode isn't as casual, I feel it's too competitive and doesn't allow for the variety of combat 2016 does

You're probably not getting them any time soon

Those maps would need to be redesigned for Eternal's mechanics

[vocal stratus]

A campaign style map actually

[abstract isle]

Like in 2016, just tell me the objective and let me loose, with battlemode, I gotta pick my demon, loadout, upgrades per round

And 2016 has this too, round based games are slower and less fun than the others

With maybe the exception of freeze tag

Of course that's an opinion but slowing the game down each round is a definite lull in the action

[silk acorn]

But I still think doom 2016 mp is not like halo's multiplayer

I've never understood that comparison

[vocal stratus]

Certain affinity, that’s why

[silk acorn]

But I'm talking about the actual mechanics

[abstract isle]

If it's loadouts then yikes, a lot of games have loadouts

[silk acorn]

The movement, glory kills, collectibles

Cover is practically useless in 2016 mp

For the most part

[brittle gyro]

hello

[silk acorn]

The demon runes as well

[abstract isle]

Demon runes are great

Demons aren't exactly balanced but each is damn powerful in it's own right

[silk acorn]

I don't even know what you mean by certain affinity tbh

Oh, Certain Affinity is a game dev that is affilated with halo

So it's not even the gameplay itself, it's the affiliation with halo that they have, that barely affected doom 2016's multplayer

[abstract isle]

Well health pickups is a fundamentally differing core mechanic though isn't it? I'm not well versed in Halo's mp

[silk acorn]

There was health pick ups in reach, but reach didn't have regenerating health

Nor did halo ODST

[carmine lava]

Tbh I’m glad 2016’s tried something new, because I think in almost every case, the original had its day and shouldn’t be imitated that closely anyway. Then it’s just splitting hairs

And I don’t know if I’ll ever fathom the stigma against loadouts

I loved experimenting with them

[abstract isle]

I recently tried out a grenade launcher/combat shotgun loadout, was very interesting

[crimson wharf]

really?

how did that turn out

[silk acorn]

i wish i could have played 2016 multiplayer while it was thriving

But i started it too late

[crimson wharf]

same

[silk acorn]

Must have been a blast back then

[abstract isle]

Well it has nothing in the way of long range attacks, I was also using the thrusters

It's still pretty good rn, but my region is empty

Grenade spam is quite fun on certain modes

[silk acorn]

I'd gladly put together a group of friends and just play 2016 multiplayer

Just have fun with it

[wispy verge]

Um, In the foundry I forgot to place down the red guy's arm on the scanner and moved on to the rest of the level. I cant place it down now. Is it needed for completing the level or?

[silk acorn]

I think it is?

[wispy verge]

well fuck

[abstract isle]

I tried getting one of my friends into it, he plays a lot of CS:GO and he liked the sniper loadout but the sniper's relatively underpowered

[silk acorn]

The charge shot sniper?

[abstract isle]

Wait which part is the red arm?

[wispy verge]

turns out I have to point at a very specific part of the scanner, nice

[silk acorn]

You have to grab a bloody arm from a dead guy and use it to open a part of the foundry

By using it to gain access

[abstract isle]

I've not played the foundry in a while I just kinda do it without thinking I guess

Wait the red guy at the start?!

[silk acorn]

It's a guy covered in blood from getting attacked by a hell knight, sitting against the wall dead

[wispy verge]

well seems like im still softlocked

there goes all my motivation to play

[abstract isle]

OHH

He's easy to get to

it's just a jumping puzzle if I recall right

[wispy verge]

I put the hand on the scanner, head out, go to the red door, nothing

[abstract isle]

Imma need you to describe more about the area tbh

No idea which section you're in

If it's the red dude at the start, the fires covering the door are gone

[carmine lava]

ngl, I've had lots of softlocks/crashes playing 2016 and Eternal hahaha

Worst one was... on stream... penultimate Vega Core encounter softlocked because I killed the enemies too fast with the dreaded Berserk+Seek'N'Destroy+Savagery+Blood Fueled Mash Melee to win setup lol

[wraith tangle]

2016 is way harder so far imo

the imps and soldiers are actually scary and there's so much self damage and I don't have precision bolt

[flint dune]

Game’s challenging on Nightmare. Below that? Eh. UV really does feel a lot easier, in an odd way. Such a big gap between it and Nightmare.

Maybe that’s not fair coming from me though. I’ve had this game for five years.

[wraith tangle]

do ammo argent crystals fill bfg?

or argent cells rather

[flint dune]

No but there is a rune that if fully mastered, allows demons to drop BFG ammo on chance, and the chance isn’t all that low.

[wraith tangle]

sounds brokey

[flint dune]

I think the rune is Ammo Boost. And yes it’s very broken, lol.

[wraith tangle]

I already have more ammo than eternal and it's the third level and there's a rune to get more ammo...I get that I'll be using more plasma, shells, rockets in this game since bullet ammo is pretty useless without precision bolt but still

[wraith tangle]

one thing that kinda put me off 2016 was no masteries and that I need to upgrade runes. Feels a bit much when I usually go for 100 % and I'd really ony use 4 of the guns otherwise

[carmine lava]

No masteries? Umm

Also, bullet ammo is still incredibly useful. The Heavy Assault Rifle does more damage to enemies with primary fire compared to Eternal where they specialized that aspect into being mooks-only, more or less

Micro Missiles are completely devastating, but the cream of the crop is the scope. Missiles aren't hitscan, and cost 2 bullets per missile, but the Precision Scope, when mastered, is:

-hitscan
-ranged
-explosive damage

[wraith tangle]

how does it compare to swapping though

[carmine lava]

swapping?

you mean like, reload cancel burst damage?

[wraith tangle]

Sure whatever you want to call it. switching weapons to bypass reload times

something like ssg swap to gauss swap to ssg swap to grenade launcher swap to rocket etc

[carmine lava]

It's true that the precision scope is high burst in eternal and not that at all in 2016, so if you're playing mostly swap, you'd be best off with those combos

[wraith tangle]

so then yeah, bullet ammo garbo

[carmine lava]

haha you're an exclusive hot swapper then

[wraith tangle]

to be fair, there are more significant small demons who might not warrant an entire siege cannon

[carmine lava]

But overdoing it is so much fun! lol

that imp looked at me funny

But yeah, it's funny because my playstyle is like... the exact opposite of high burst damage + lots of swap. I almost entirely use the DoT guns/combat shotgun

[wraith tangle]

DoT?

[carmine lava]

oh sorry... damage-over-time. Just like anything that's rapid fire

[wraith tangle]

swaps make the modern doom games cool imo

[carmine lava]

I literally just made myself bored of swapping constantly because of the multiplayer. The optimal strat is Rocket+Grenade swap. More burst damage than the popular Shotgun/SSG swap and if you miss you still have AoE to cover

then thrust boots to gain altitude... game over. You can kill a mancubus in about 2 seconds, the highest health pool demon in MP

[wraith tangle]

yeah I'd like to play more rocket + combat shotty but nobody is on

[carmine lava]

yeahhhh it's a bummer. Especially since outside of the loadouts entirely, it had a genuinely impressive armor customization system

[wraith tangle]

hopefully with gamepass, more people will start playing

[carmine lava]

It was criminally underrated at launch. Sometimes I think loadouts just existing induces unwarranted salt

[wraith tangle]

it's weird but you still get to quickswap so it's fine

[carmine lava]

I was honestly surprised that some of the MP-exclusive guns/abilities didn't make it to eternal

[wraith tangle]

A lot of them spiritually did. A bunch are basically precision bolt. One is very similar to microwave beam

[carmine lava]

I always viewed the microwave beam as a nerfed stun bomb. The lightning gun alt-fire that made whole surfaces deadly was a game changer

stun bomb so broke in 2016 haha

[wraith tangle]

the stun bomb is the ice grenade

[carmine lava]

yeah, that's probably a better comparison

I guess it's the way that some players just tap the microwave to get a shorter stun that made me connect the dots

[wraith tangle]

there's probably some lineage

[carmine lava]

I miss the static rifle the most. It was so silly but so inventive. Rubbing your feet on the carpet = death

and the tesla grenade for area-of-denial in a narrow area in front of you

also, people trying to use remote mines like martyrdom was soooo cute in MP lol. Totally not predictable

[slim pebble]

I hate how they left a lot of things out of SnapMap

[dapper hearth]

How so?

[slim pebble]

The Reaper, Grenade Launcher, a few equipment items and some other stuff

[dapper hearth]

Ohh right

[golden grotto]

Just wanted to rant about somethin
yesterday i bought doom 2016 for xbox one
Literally next day doom 2016 has been added to the gamepass
Thats my luck

[wraith tangle]

check return policy

[golden grotto]

I mean
I dont have gamepass anymore
I wiil resign it again Someday
But still smh

it's humiliating

I got trolled by fucking microsoft

[cobalt hazel]

Same

[halcyon bear]

I'm glad it's on gamepass. I'd like nothing more than reading more eternal 2016 comparisons

[halcyon bear]

99 percent of the time its people who's first doom experience was doom eternal

[elder meadow]

Bro why isn't doom 64 in VR????

[rigid bridge]

It is

[azure pawn]

Classic dooms are in vr??

Cool

[rigid bridge]

I have an oculus quest and it’s like all I do with it

[azure pawn]

you can get it on oculus quest???

How?

[wraith tangle]

do people realistically do 100 % on this game? no mastery tokens and a billion runes that can only be equipped so many at a time. I see on the speedrun, the guy equiped multiple runes before the slot was actually unlocked. How do I do that?

[chrome basin]

you start with the 3rd rune slot and work backwards

i just did an Ultra-Nightmare 100% without exploiting glitches, so i did it the old fashioned way waiting for the slots to be unlocked

it's not that hard to manage all the upgrading, especially if you follow Byte Me's upgrade path which was really well thought out

[wraith tangle]

do you have a link to that? I'm following along with the 100 % UN WR with my NM save rn

[chrome basin]

this one?

https://youtu.be/YDkWioXuPz0

[wraith tangle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV2VEdrY-nE&t=2384s I'm following this

[chrome basin]

ah, i've never watched that one

[wraith tangle]

Idk why speedrun.com lists this first but the one you brought up has a lower time

maybe one includes loading time?

[chrome basin]

idk. not everyone uses speedrun.com, but idk

[wraith tangle]

maybe I"m dumb but is there a way to jump really high other than just...jump twice? https://youtu.be/TV2VEdrY-nE?t=2389 I can't reach the red wall like in the vid

[halcyon bear]

Gauss cannon

[wraith tangle]

ok well there's no gauss yet

so he's def not doing that

[wraith tangle]

so apparently, the solution was that if I can't scrollwheel jump, there's a platform right behind me

[halcyon bear]

Nah you're learning. Doesn't mean you're dumb

[wraith tangle]

I wish I could just do the combat. I hate exploring this drab envirnment where everything looks the same and I can't tell what anything is without frame by frame watching the 100 % run online

[halcyon bear]

You should probably unplug stop using apps or comparing it to eternal and enjoy the ride. I promise it will be more enjoyable

[wraith tangle]

I already played it blind on first runthrough

[halcyon bear]

Thats usually how you should play a video game

[carmine lava]

lol meanwhile I prefer 2016 to Eternal

[halcyon bear]

I go from classic doom to 2016 on and off and enjoy the experience I signed up for

[carmine lava]

There was a sign up sheet?

I thought that was for the school play

Like, don’t get me wrong, Eternal is still a 7.5/10 for me but wow is it over-designed

You really have to conform to the rules of ‘shoot this enemy with this weapon’

And I mean I did it all… both dooms and dlc on nightmare, console… even the master levels. Just doesn’t do it for me the way 2016 does

[lyric ridge]

I like 2016 purely for a bit more simple and more fun experience
Plus, the demon models and environment are 10x better than Eternals
Don't get me wrong, Eternal is still a cool game, but 2016 is way cooler imo

[carmine lava]

Eyyyy total yes

I miss my cute single eye mancubi

[lyric ridge]

Right? Way more fitting than the naked fat boar we got in Eternal
Though I'll give credit for the devs paying tribute to the classic DOOM games

[carmine lava]

Naked fat boar hahahaha

And the barons. They looked better and were more classic