doom-2016

[narrow moth]

Is the "the circle is complete" trophy really glitched? Just got all the runes and it didn't pop, how do i fix?

[foggy salmon]

Hey! I know servers are dead but if you got any buddies or even want to play alone, I made a survival snap map SABAYAMP is the ID, it should also be the newest map posted! Tell me what yall think!

[icy anchor]

Sup guys I am on PC i am trying to prestige up for the achievements if anybody is available to just play or help

[reef ledge]

I love doom and I was looking for this server because I somehow managed to play doom, on a literal printer

[foggy salmon]

What

[upbeat tulip]

h iguys

[reef ledge]

Yes

[foggy salmon]

Hi

[foggy salmon]

Hell yeah

[mossy breach]

how much paper did you spend 😭

[upbeat tulip]

do people still play doom 2016 mp?

[verbal jackal]

Once in a blue moon

[foggy salmon]

Yesnt

[upbeat tulip]

why yesnt

[grave flare]

Because it's mostly dead

[upbeat tulip]

damn

what about doom eternal mp

[grave flare]

The exact opposite

[tranquil osprey]

Idk

[upbeat tulip]

so its not dead?

[grave flare]

Yes

[upbeat tulip]

damn, i gotta buy doom eternal some day

[foggy salmon]

I wish 2016’s wasn’t dead tho, I prefer just a plain old deathmatch

[upbeat tulip]

cant run dark ages bc of shitty optimization

[upbeat tulip]

me too

[tranquil osprey]

I tried coop legacyofrust on nightmare that's the only multi-player history I have with doom

I never touch multiplayer

[upbeat tulip]

why not

[grave flare]

I got the collectors edition, waited 3 months to download it, only thing I got was that my pc can't run it

[tranquil osprey]

Damn

[upbeat tulip]

the thing i do is wait for benchmarks, if its bad results, i dont buy

[tranquil osprey]

Yeah I heard pc players are not having a good time

[upbeat tulip]

i hate the pre order thing

[upbeat tulip]

forced ray tracing is horrible for a budget gamer like me

[tranquil osprey]

Forced ray tracing and shit

[upbeat tulip]

2016 and eternal doesnt break a sweat

[foggy salmon]

Real

[upbeat tulip]

but dark ages makes my pc explode if i try to play it

[grave flare]

I don't blame you, I just pre ordered the collectors edition because of the statue and keycard, plus rn it's been sold out since pre order

[tranquil osprey]

Luckily I'm on a white ice cream sandwich console with reversed colour's and vertical

[reef ledge]

1200 sheets 🤙

[upbeat tulip]

damn

[tranquil osprey]

Aka my ps5 I think I did an ass explanation

[upbeat tulip]

does ps5 run dark ages good

[tranquil osprey]

Excellent

[upbeat tulip]

lucky

[tranquil osprey]

It runs excellent

[reef ledge]

Idk haven't tried it

[upbeat tulip]

if its on console it prob means it runs really good

[grave flare]

You didn't, somehow I just get every reference so somehow I understood what you were talking about

[upbeat tulip]

since ps5 only has specific components

[foggy salmon]

For some reason devs can optimize the game for console ports but not for pc

[tranquil osprey]

I knew my gtx 1060 laptop would explode me into hell if I tried to run it from the start

[grave flare]

They need to remove forced ray tracing

[upbeat tulip]

the problem is pc has lots of different gpus and shit like that while console is 1 componnent

[upbeat tulip]

yeah dude

wait i think i saw a video on how to play it without ray tracing

[tranquil osprey]

I heard you gotta mess with it's files or something

[foggy salmon]

Wouldn’t the anti cheat throw a fit?

[upbeat tulip]

lemme see on google

[tranquil osprey]

If you wanna dodge ray tracing

[upbeat tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-weston-gif-24957771

pirate

[tranquil osprey]

Does a single player game even require anti cheat

[grave flare]

I've been worried about this since the issue started becoming more relevant, if they remove it then lower powered pc's can be able to run it

[foggy salmon]

It’s bullshit but it is there

[upbeat tulip]

if mods are supported they might have a remove ray tracing mod

[tranquil osprey]

I think tda will have the same official mod support as eternal idk tho

[upbeat tulip]

but dark ages was built with ray tracing in mind so without ray tracing its all black 😞

[grave flare]

The thing is tho, the game has a message that pops up when you try to play it on lower powered pc's that'll say it won't work on the pc

[foggy salmon]

Not even kidding, my dad runs Linux and he was locked out of the game multiple times for 24 hours. The anti cheat ruins Linux support, pissed my dad off and made him get a refund.

[upbeat tulip]

u can run the game file with administrator to play without ray tracing

but its very dark

i think il stick w doom 2016 and eternal since i have a 2050 with 4gb vram

this is the problem with the gaming industry, they want us to buy better components to buy expensive games

if u have a bad pc, you gotta upgrade for tda

[grave flare]

I could try, I just haven't used my pc in a few months so I'll probably have to update it

[upbeat tulip]

oh alright

what specs do you have

[upbeat tulip]

teach your dad how to be a pirate

[grave flare]

Work laptop

[upbeat tulip]

tda isnt running on a work laptop

[foggy salmon]

He’s a Linux guy of course he knows how to pirate, he just wanted to support his favorite company

[upbeat tulip]

its gonna explode lol

[upbeat tulip]

if u can tell me the company i can see if theres a donation site or smth

[mossy breach]

2016 anticheat??
I play on linux just fine

[grave flare]

Ik, I wanna upgrade to an alienware or something

[upbeat tulip]

damn

[foggy salmon]

We are talking about TDA

[mossy breach]

oh
i got confused since this is the 2016 channel

[foggy salmon]

Idk how this came about but we are essentially glazing 2016 and eternal for better optimization

[mossy breach]

wow lol

[upbeat tulip]

@foggy salmon cant ur dad buy the game and not install and then pirate it for no anticheat?

[foggy salmon]

He would rather not spend the money

He isn’t supporting a game that’s dumb enough to have anti cheat on a single player

He was crashing out so hard about it

[upbeat tulip]

damn

[foggy salmon]

Ye lol

Anyways, any of yall on Xbox?

[upbeat tulip]

im on pc

[foggy salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/artem-yakusha-artem-homeless-gif-2058343298172389915

Is snap map cross platform?

Anyone? I’m up practically all day

[upbeat tulip]

nop

[foggy salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[upbeat tulip]

yeah ik

[foggy salmon]

Idk why the multiplayer has to be so limited bro

[upbeat tulip]

its sad

[foggy salmon]

Sad indeed, I was hoping I could assemble a group to try out my survival map, I made it with the intention of more than one player.

[frank sky]

BRO THEY SHOULD if they did that the multiplayer would get revived

[uncut vigil]

Yee @yousuck12212332

[neat summit]

how rude

[livid torrent]

It's late rn maybe tomorrow

[uncut vigil]

Ight

I’m on now if anyone tryna play

[cloud sleet]

Hello everyone, I would like 3 people to connect AFK to the Doom 2016 servers so that I can make 2 trophies. You are not obligated to do so, but if you want to participate, reply to this message.

[foggy salmon]

Sadly it’s not cross platform bro, what you on?

[cloud sleet]

Ps4

[foggy salmon]

Xbox, sorry

[astral trench]

is snapmap not on the switch version
cause I can't find it

[foggy salmon]

Switch does suck like that, I wouldn’t be suprised if they did

[rose violet]

Same man im looking to get the trophies

Im on PlayStation as well

[rose violet]

Update: there is a match on PlayStation

[molten roost]

Someone tell me for one of the challenges how I kill 8 ENEMIES IN ONE SHOT?!

[candid warren]

what level

[rose wave]

Hello, I'm searching for teammates to doing the playstation trophies of doom 2016 pls 👉👈

[rose wave]

Are u playing right now?

My PSN is screennik btw if someone wanna add me

(pls)

[sonic stratus]

Dawg
BFG

[lofty charm]

Btw, we had discussion some time ago about corner tactic and I guess, I agree now that it's more effecient in some cases at least for master levels on Nightmare. I played them and most effecient tactic for most arenas for me was to find good spot to camp and control and go through whole encounter standing there.

[lofty charm]

As Katsu said - BFG.
If I remember right, it' Lararus Labs, so you can do it right at the start of the level, when you drop in shaft of elevator after siphon greande. There are a lot of fodder enemies, which can be killed easily.

[sonic stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-use-your-brain-use-the-brain-think-brain-gif-7914082

although you were correct in that the siphon grenade especially with equipment power lets you get away with waaay more aggressive play than you otherwise could

doom 2016 does become way more fun when you have the tools to actually recover health properly and not just make every combat encounter into a race between the demons and your health bar to see which runs out first

it's a big part of why I enjoy the mid- to endgame of 2016 so much
sure you have a bunch of busted stuff like free bfg and instant siege mode but if you play the game without purposefully cheesing, it's really really good

the last room of vega core is still the most difficult fight in modern doom to clear without superweapons

[lofty charm]

I mean, in vanilla D16 there are a lot of strong or even OP stuff, which let player to be more aggressive and care less about downsides of such approach, but in vanilla Nightmare/UN without health upgrades main system of GK is indeed not very rewarding in terms of drops and potentially dangerous, since fodder provides a lot of damage and there is no damage mitingation on low health, like in Eternal (plus enemy may continue attack during and after GK, wihch has no i-frames after GK).

100%. My mod for example, not only has 2 drops per normal situation with 3+3 value on Nightmare, but also has other tools: same Siphon restores armor by default (but it's weaker), vanilla Armor Rune (but it's weaker) and then damage mitingation or increase for Runes, damage increase on low health, Holo on low health with Saving Throw, Vacuum provides way more health from kills, when health is low, new grenades, which provide health and armor drops. I think more tools in this case give way more variety for approaches even with nerfed overpowered stuff.

Agree. Same.
Yeah, Vega last fight is my favorite for sure. I like it with no upgrade/no rune/no BFG run so much on Nightmare - probably my favoirte in terms of feeling for Nightmare for end game, but must admit, when I'm lazy I corner camp there too sometimes. 😅

[elder meadow]

Can’t help but agree. I lost my Ultra-Nightmare run after the second big arena in Kadingir Sanctum (although, that’s because I got careless), so I don’t even want to think about that arena in VEGA Central.

[sonic stratus]

yeah, just so many enemies in such a difficult-to-traverse area
cyber mancs are ridiculously tanky, and they just throw like half a dozen of them at you it feels like
along with a ton of barons, pinkies, cacos, just absolute insanity

and obviously you've got imps who just snipe tf out of you from across the entire arena

[rose wave]

Still searching for players to do the ps multiplayer trophies pls 👉👈

[somber cove]

Anyone want to help with Eternal trophies?

Need 1

[mossy breach]

this is why i maxed out siege, ssg and rich get richer
gauss cannon can do a LOT since the bottom ofthe train tracksis basically two longcorridors

[livid torrent]

Imagine DOOM 2016 but cheese 🧀

[sonic stratus]

Yeah if you camp in the corner of a corridor and use hologram/siphon grenade and all the cheese strats it’s not a hard room, nothing in 2016 is after a certain point

They gave a bunch of cool shit to the player but seemingly didn’t realize the potential for abuse those systems had

[rose wave]

Hello, searching for teammates on playstation to do the multiplayer trophies plssssss 🙏🙏🙏🙏

[narrow moth]

Same

[rose wave]

We're too then, how many needed to start a game ?

[narrow moth]

4

We need more 2

Do you plan to do only the base game trophies or the dlc's too?

[rose wave]

Tag me if you find the others left 😅

[rose wave]

I'd like to get 100% trophies 😅

[narrow moth]

Same

[sonic stratus]

I’ll never understand what the obsession with 100%ing a game is

95% of the people here don’t even enjoy multiplayer

[rose wave]

I'm a perfectionist I guess 🤷‍♂️

[narrow moth]

Yeah me too

[narrow moth]

Idk i never played this

Maybe because its dead

[sonic stratus]

Idk what the point of playing a game is if it just becomes a chore

[narrow moth]

I wouldn't be trying to get the trophies if i hadn't liked the game

[rose wave]

Same I have a lot of games I didn't finished

[candid warren]

i lowk enjoy it

its just the grind is boring asl

having multiplayer gamemodes with doom movement and weapons/abilities is fun most of the time

[lament girder]

Every time I see 2016 multiplayer footage it just lulls me to sleep. It may feel good to play but my god it's so slow. Moreover I don't get how anyone can call it 'classic multiplayer' with enforced loadouts, equipment, boosters and abilities instead of dodging projectiles and controlling the map. Maybe if you were born in 2004 and Halo was your only frame of reference for 'oldschool'.

Also the hit sounds are louder than the gun SFX lol.

[mild thicket]

It's classic in a certain way. But I do agree it's not the quake experience you'd expect it to be. Still fun to play none the less.

[rose wave]

Still searching for teammates to do the multiplayer trophies on playstation 🙏🙏🙏

[spark girder]

that happened to me once

[prisma bay]

Is there a mod that increases footstep audio and you can hear your footsteps even when the character walks?

[molten roost]

My little sister is strangely in love with the pinky’s, what do I do bro 😭

[uncut tundra]

Tell her it'll eat her family

So tell her to choose the fam or the fictional shaved gorilla

[molten roost]

She says Pinky’s are her family-

XD

[uncut tundra]

Bruh

Tell her it's not real or smt

[molten roost]

SHE DOESNT CARE, SHE WOULD ALWAYS INTERUPT MY GAMEPLAY WHEN A PINKY SHOWS UP, PRAYING ON IT TO KILL ME

🤣🤣🤣

[uncut tundra]

Tell her you're a pinky

She wouldn't dare

Right?

[molten roost]

Let’s see

[uncut tundra]

[molten roost]

Brb

[uncut tundra]

Alr

[molten roost]

She now despises pinky’s

👍👍👍👍

[uncut tundra]

Your welcome

You're*

[molten roost]

Thx bruh

[prisma bay]

anyone here playing on pc?

[golden kraken]

for some reason i can run eternal and dark ages in 165 fps butterly smooth but whenever im in an interface ( in DOOM 2016 ) my game start running at 13 fps how can this happen

[analog sail]

i have rejoined this amazing server

[analog sail]

me

[prisma bay]

Is there a mod that adds/increases footstep audio when walking

[lofty charm]

Try to change API: OpenGL or Vulkan.

[lofty charm]

Not aware. I tried to, but failed.

[livid torrent]

What's your favorite secret from doom 2016 mine is th3 one where you shoot the icon of sin head and then you get a lil toy:)

[rose wave]

Still searching for teammates do to the multiplayer trophies on playstation

[narrow moth]

Yeah

[prisma bay]

Thanks

Would a mod like that be possible to make?

[lofty charm]

Probably, but I tried to increase sound of footsteps in 2020 and it didn't work for some reason. You can try with DoomExtract - maybe you have better luck.

[narrow moth]

Does the multiplayer have crossplay?

[lofty charm]

No, as far as I know.

[narrow moth]

🥀

[lusty prism]

Is multiplayer even available???

[median linden]

Multiplayer doom sounds awesome

[narrow moth]

Yeah

[half hawk]

Guys I'm playing DOOM and this defibrillator is talking to me and I can't find anything online

Has anyone heard about this?

[acoustic sapphire]

Olivia pierce really fell for a Nigerian prince email scam didn’t she

[golden kraken]

guys if i uninstall the game and reinstall it

do i lose my saves ?

[neat summit]

If you are on pc the saves and profile folder dont get deleted when you uninstall the game

[golden kraken]

oh ok thx

[neat summit]

But I would recommend enabling cloud save if you are on steam

[golden kraken]

so i can ?

[astral trench]

yeah but its not active

[rose wave]

Still searching for guys to do the multiplayer trophies on playstation

[golden kraken]

i trid and it work so fucking well thx

[ivory shard]

are servers still active

[rose wave]

Yes, wanna help me with the trophies ?

[lusty prism]

;_;

[jaunty bobcat]

Rip and tear until it's done⛓️🪚

[uncut vigil]

Anyone on?

[rose wave]

I'm here!

Still searching for players to do the multiplayer trophies

Pleeease 🙏🙏🙏

[sacred agate]

Im down to boost

[kindred stratus]

https://youtu.be/LzuFm4w65jw?si=1cPnQdlyegW0Ezig

[analog sail]

im making a comback guys

[uncut vigil]

Anyone on now?

[shy talon]

I can play on PC or switch

[lusty prism]

I can play on 𝕏box

[earnest pike]

I can play on PS

[livid torrent]

Same but in the morning tho

Also nice display name

[craggy terrace]

How hard are the multiplayer trophies?

To achieve in this game?

[subtle path]

I'm replacing this on ultra violence

[lusty prism]

Thanks

[astral rain]

Platinum ones are extremely easy: win a match, reach rank 5. That's it. If you want the expansion pack ones, you'll have to grind like a maniac for the "Computing in style" and "Beauty is pain"

I'd recommend sticking to base game only, unless you just happen to LOVE the multiplayer and want to grind it out (beauty is pain is like level 400 minimum, I think, I DO(O) Mean GRIND)
((sorry not sorry))

[mental jay]

Hi

[candid warren]

not hard

just grindy

[young eagle]

https://tenor.com/view/glory-kill-doom-guy-doomguy-doom-slayer-doom-gif-8717701017865450563

[livid torrent]

W name from W games

[narrow moth]

Demons demons demoms

[lusty prism]

W people for w games

[elder meadow]

Y’all, I got fuckin’ merked by the first Baron at Kadingir Sanctum on Ultra-Nughtmare. Furthest I’ve gotten in 8 years since I got the game.

[lime sierra]

Barons barons barons... The demon that Scared the s### out of me 12 times...

But he is still my fav demon.

[violet citrus]

when will framegen and dlss come to 2016

[young eagle]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-slayer-slayer-doom-guy-edit-gif-9356288930180274309

[astral rain]

Yo guys, I have an idea for a debate: Do you think a biological female is required to resurrect the Spider Mastermind or would a trans female also count?

Just thought about it, and in my opinion it's a question that will never be answered by official sources

[quasi solar]

w-what

[astral rain]

The codex entry for the Spider Mastermind contains the following:
"The tome (...) spoke cryptically of the Aranea Imperatrix as being the union between the master of the fourth age of Hell and the "key holder", referred to only as being a female with no further clarification."

Olivia was used to revive the OG Mastermind, but, was that because she is a biological female, or because she is identified as one?

I know, it's something crazy to think about, but in my opinion it has the potential to become the next "shambler fur vs no fur"

I don't think it really should, though

But yeah, just a shower thought. I'm not expecting any of you to ask id Software for the answer to this dilemma. Now, back to our scheduled program, where everyone asks if someone can help them with the multiplayer achievements!

[copper creek]

So funny

[lost helm]

I don’t think it matters probably

The demon itself is female but given the craziness of the transformation I imagine it doesn’t matter who you use

[astral rain]

Honestly, fair enough

[lost helm]

Actually on reread

I think the idea is probably more in that instance it was specifically a female but like in a prophecy way

So like It Was Going To Be Olivia

[astral rain]

My interpretation was that anyone would work for the resurrection, but the Mastermind just likes it better to have a female vessel, since she is also a girl. But I also like your interpretation, that Olivia specifically was going to be the vessel, since she is also just a brain that needs technology in order to do anything or go anywhere

But it wasn't mentioned because it was dumb, I guess, and sounds way too specific to be taken seriously

Either that or there's no further clarification because the page containing said information was torn apart. I've just thought about that

[uncut vigil]

Anyone on?

[craggy terrace]

@astral rain @candid warren thanks, just wanted to
Do base game

[molten roost]

I BEAT DOOM 2016 ON HURT ME PLENTY DIFFICULTY WITH EVERY COLLECTIBLE AND SECRET

[neat summit]

Congrats

[sturdy sparrow]

Nice job!

[astral rain]

First time?

[livid torrent]

W

[foggy salmon]

Great job 👏🏻…..

Now do UN

[molten roost]

Yes

[molten roost]

Abso-fucking-lutely

NOT

[astral rain]

I still remember my first time beating the game after being tossed around by barons. If I had played the previous games before, I'm sure my brains would explode due to the amount of respect that those original titles get

Like, so many references I didn't get

[molten roost]

Like the old maps?

Those brought tears of joy to my eyes

No joke

[astral rain]

Yeah, but also easter eggs, like some doors having the OG sound when opening or closing, the Icon of Sin in a Hell level I can't remember (and the figure collectible tied to it), the Spider Mastermind's codex entry making a reference to Tower of Babel by naming a piece of data codenamed E2M8...

Also, many tracks contain melodies heard in the previous games, there's a whole video dedicated to that

[molten roost]

Good point

[violet citrus]

when is eternal and 2016 getting reflex and framegen like dark ages

[neat summit]

Your rage baits are awful

[astral rain]

Is that really a ragebait? I actually didn't even think about it

[candid mason]

Guys can someone help me with the multiplayer trophy on PS4 pls

[sturdy sparrow]

Bro pick a game to hate on lmao

[sturdy sparrow]

Im on ps5, sorry

[astral rain]

Aren't the PS5 and PS4 servers the same?

[violet citrus]

where in that sentence was i hating

[violet citrus]

where in that sentance was i hating

[uncut tundra]

How bro feels:

https://tenor.com/view/freaky-freaky-smile-sukuna-sukuna-smile-freaky-sukuna-gif-4852549280133734300

But in reality

https://tenor.com/view/scrappy-doo-scooby-doo-gif-19640290

Just jokin around, if 2016 had a dlc, what would it be?

And how would it differ from the base game

Y'alls thoughts

[fierce field]

Anyone playing multiplayer these days? I'm looking for a couple games. Hit me up if interested.

[gritty trail]

It did have dlc actually! But it's integrated into the base game now. Just MP content tho, lame

[shy creek]

i feel like the only dlc that could realistically be made is a tag styled level pack detailing where the slayer ended up at the end of 2016

and how he escaped to the fortress of doom at the start of eternal

[violet citrus]

make doom eternal and 2016 combinded in 1 game

[uncut tundra]

That's a good pick

[astral rain]

The fact a DLC covering that gap didn't happen is still baffling to me. I love the new multiplayer content (when it became free, lol) but story DLC... Come on, man

But don't get me wrong, I'm forever grateful for the Harvester being a thing. He's my favorite demon

[pale plume]

2016 argent d'nur was so well portrayed.

I don't even know how to describe it. It's just so cool.

[sonic stratus]

isn't 2016 argent d'nur just the hell environment but tweaked

[hushed seal]

Anyway a group of people want to run some games of multiplayer on Doom 2016, I’m trying to platinum the game but need to level up to 5. 🙂

[wind lake]

Hi, not now but I am available,I play on ps4

Add me ItalianMadness93

I am also here to complete the multiplayer trophies of the free expansion.

[hushed seal]

Sick! Okay

[karmic sonnet]

if it was cheaper then sure lol. the mechanics and whatnot are very different tho

[astral trench]

him escaping whatever prison Samuel put him in and how he got the fortress of doom probably

[sturdy sparrow]

But what demons would he fight?

[astral trench]

ig whatever else the uac was experimenting on

[sturdy sparrow]

But there couldnt be enough for a full dlc of levels

[safe prairie]

What's the name off that woman that screams?

That's too powerful

[tawdry halo]

Do u know how she looks like?

[safe prairie]

Satan

Like hammer head shark on head

[tawdry halo]

Didn't get that far in the game to tell you

[safe prairie]

it's like on level 4 :/

She looks like satan but if woman

[tawdry halo]

Does she have white hair?

[safe prairie]

I don't know

she teleports

and when I chainsaw her it goes trough the middle off her head

[tawdry halo]

A robotic looking body ig?

[safe prairie]

I don't remember

she screams like "AHAHAHEHI0OAEOHIEAHIOAEHIAEOZHIA"

More like screeching

[tawdry halo]

Might encounter her bcus i'm at level 4

I have a hunch that she might be olivia pierce

[safe prairie]

Nope

Also you will probably get stuck at lvl 4

I got stuck for 4 days until I figured out what I needed to do from watching like 8 tutorials

[tawdry halo]

Thx for telling me all of that=))

[copper creek]

Oh you're thinking of the summoner

[safe prairie]

She teleports

[copper creek]

Yes that is the one

[safe prairie]

Wait I go take screenshot

who made original doom?

[copper creek]

Romero, Carmack, a couple other guys

[safe prairie]

nevermind

[copper creek]

Uh okie dokie

[tawdry halo]

Fun fact, romero had a romanian wife for 7 years

Raluca Alexandra was her name

[near zealot]

Normally many games don’t have story spoiler in their Credits rolls. but in 2016 DOOM it has a warning dialog about it. why’s that?

[gritty trail]

Because the credits are animated and showcase several parts of the campaign

[earnest zinc]

More like… RIP AND TEAR 2016!!!! Ha!1

[young eagle]

https://tenor.com/view/glory-kill-doom-guy-doomguy-doom-slayer-doom-gif-8717701017865450563

[violet citrus]

when will doom 2016 get framegen

and dlss

[copper creek]

Never

[obsidian dirge]

lol

[sturdy sparrow]

Framegen?

[violet citrus]

yes

nvidia dlss 4 framegen

[violet citrus]

thats so trash

[sturdy sparrow]

Whats framegen?

[sturdy sparrow]

So are your ragebaits

[obsidian dirge]

Shh

[violet citrus]

no?

doom 2016 is capped at eye torture 200fps

so framegen would fix that

[sturdy sparrow]

200fps? Dawg the human eye can only see a max of 90fps lmfao

Plus, most games run at 120fps, pls get better at ragebaiting

[obsidian dirge]

Both of you 🤫

[errant dock]

Yeah they legit should just

[violet citrus]

bro did not tell me to get better at rage baiting after saying humans can see max of 90fps

[sturdy sparrow]

Its a fact lol look it up

[violet citrus]

youre not understanding that info, its talking about when an image it on screen the 1/90th of a second

humans wouldnt be able to notice if an image is flashed for 1/200th of a second

[sturdy sparrow]

See? Trash ragebait lol

Im going back to recording, seeya

[violet citrus]

fuck im falling for your rage bait

you got me and pissed me off

[earnest zinc]

More like…. PARKOUR 2016!! HAH!1

[obsidian dirge]

stop doing this

[earnest zinc]

: (

[maiden urchin]

but someone gotta throw oil into the flame

[violet citrus]

who the fuck ghost pinged me

[obsidian dirge]

I don't know but you need to chill out with the anger at everyone this week

[mossy breach]

???

[turbid marten]

Blast that soundtrack this Sunday, that marks 9 years since its release.

[median linden]

I just beat the game earlier

I should’ve played doom eternal first

I played in the wrong order

[grave flare]

Dw, 2016 comes first, then eternal

[median linden]

I just looked at the player list, and it says there is a bot in the server named Vega

[grave flare]

Yeah, and there's also a channel dedicated to it

[median linden]

Dang

[lime drum]

Doom 2016 is the best doom game

I don’t know how anyone could disagree

Ultra knightmare was a grind

But I did it

The whole game resets

It took me 17 days

You get one extra life btw with the saving throw rune

[low kelp]

Hmmmmm

[karmic sonnet]

I JUST FINISHED THE GAME(2AM btw and i have hw left but its fineee)

The ending boss fight was slightly dissapointing, i liked the first one with the big guy who brought you to hell a lot better, but the cinematics for the credits were great

I need to buy eternal but ill wait till it goes on sale for 10(every major steam sale)

[mossy breach]

nicee

[lime drum]

Don’t buy eternal

[lament girder]

Oh you're one of those.

Reddit is that way.

[lime drum]

Not my fault it’s bad

It’s a slop game

[lament girder]

You can go with him, maybe you'll meet two more people as irrationally butthurt about Eternal as you are over there.

[lime drum]

Why are you in this channel?

[lament girder]

I expected to read genuine interesting discussion about 2016 and I walked into two people shitting on another game to make theirs look better.

[lime drum]

Okay I can go into detail on why I don’t like eternal

[lament girder]

Quite lame.

[lime drum]

But first I want to know what you like about eternal so we can have a discussion

[lament girder]

Two things: I would disagree with all of them, and this is the 2016 channel, so you could simply invest that time in talking about 2016 instead of going 'no don't buy game, game bad' to someone completely unprompted.

You also seem very confrontational and I'm not interested in talking to someone with your tone.

[lime drum]

I was not unprompted

They brought up doom eternal first

[lament girder]

So? Does that just automatically trigger you into saying 'don't buy it it sucks'?

Along with that other dude with the mispelled name?

[lime drum]

Someone says they plan on buying a bad game and I recommend them not to buy said bad game I don’t see the problem here

[lament girder]

You say this and then brazenly say 'tell me what you like about Eternal so we can have a discussion'.

I can just imagine how one of those with you would go.

[lime drum]

Okay don’t have one then

[lament girder]

Yeah and I also imagine very few will.

[lime drum]

I’ve had discussions with people about the game before

You are taking this too seriously

It’s made for people with low attention spans, why do you think there is colours flying everywhere and shit

[lament girder]

I'm just saying, if you preface your opinion with 'game bad so I'm telling them it's bad' and say things like this when it's as been as critically and financially successful as we both know, I think it's fair to entertain the hilarity.

I get you might be upset 2016 isn't as popular as DE is but you don't have to make it so obvious.

[lime drum]

Why would I be upset? Real doom fans still play 2016

[lament girder]

Real Doom fans hold stick measuring discussions about what their favorite game is and get upset about That Other Game.

Get it right.

[lime drum]

You can’t even tell me what you like about the game

[lament girder]

You don't realize I'm taking the piss?

Why is it on me to tell you what I like about a game you've made up your mind about, what do you want? An internet win?

LOL.

[lime drum]

Why even start an argument with me if you can’t even make it productive

You just wanted to say I’m wrong and not say how

[lament girder]

Because I'm not arguing? I'm just poking fun at your demeanor.

[gritty trail]

What other game

[lament girder]

No harm in that, I'm not insulting you or 2016, I'm just having fun. What's the matter?

[lime drum]

Because you bore me

[lament girder]

Et*rnal, that other game I don't like because my eyes are too sensitive.

Too much color and fast movement, I feel old.

Play the game I like.

[sonic stratus]

[lament girder]

Oh no. I better pack it up, Discord user Vonlenska isn't having fun :(.

[lime drum]

Thank you

They just said heh let’s make a game that’s more fast and more colourful that equals good

[lament girder]

I wrote this dialogue between these two actors, enjoy it.

[lime drum]

Screw good combat and map design just make things faster

They also turned Samuel Hayden into a joke

[lament girder]

Mind you this is the discussion that would've happened. 10 things about 'muh tone' and 'muh ruined the other game by having better combat' and nothing about why 2016 is actually better in any real capacity. Just lame bullet points and 'this game too coloful, too fast, not griddy like the first'.

[sonic stratus]

you realize 2016 used the same somewhat bland hell map design like 3-4 times?
and to boot half of the levels before mid-game were the same industrial setting?
I love 2016, don't get me wrong but this "bad map design" is incredibly subjective

[lime drum]

What?

Each hell location was different in design

[lament girder]

Watch now he's going to pretend to act confused.

Like he doesn't understand your points.

You want one to happen and you're not getting one.

[lime drum]

Your not capable of having one

[sonic stratus]

kadingir sanctum and argent d'nur are in damn near indistinguishable environments, except one is slightly darker than the other
and if you asked me to tell you the difference between titan's realm and necropolis I legitimately could not do it

all the industrial levels kinda blend together as well, though laz labs is still my favorite level in the game just because of enemy composition

[lime drum]

No, just no? Did you play blind folded ?

I can tell every level apart

[lament girder]

The difference is in the color of the rocks used. It's like telling apart a desert under two slightly different lighting conditions.

[lime drum]

Doom 2016 only had one bad level, doom eternal only had a few good levels

[sonic stratus]

well, so can I, but only because I've semi-memorized the shapes of the arenas

not because the environments are incredibly distinct

really good level
last arena is still the hardest combat in all of modern doom

assuming no superweapons of course

[lament girder]

2016's hell is easily the worst hell in the series purely from a design standpoint. Nothing in it feels deliberate and that's by design since it's all ruins in lore. The tech levels peak with Foundry and Argent Facility if I'm honest, the rest of the game is a lot more linear and the more enemies the game tosses at you ironically I find the game gets easier because there's less fodder.

And as we all know imps and soldiers suck in 2016. Actual dogshit.

[lime drum]

The hardest arena is the first gore nest in recourse operations

[sonic stratus]

I would agree that 2016 has the worst hell designs of modern doom, though I wouldn't say it's bad per se, just a bit bland

[sonic stratus]

pfffff

just go ham with the rocket launcher

wait that's foundry

[lime drum]

It’s level 2 there is no rocket launcher

[sonic stratus]

yeah mb
but the last gore nest in res ops isn't that bad either

[lime drum]

You only have combat shotgun

[lament girder]

Oh yeah no it's not shit, just really unmemorable. I like how Eternal and TDA have actual architecture and actual you know, hell vistas. 2016 said 'let's tint it red that way it feels more evil' and it's still just a bunch of rocks. A bit lame.

[sonic stratus]

on the contrary, I fkin hate foundry

[sonic stratus]

true

[lime drum]

I like foundry

[sonic stratus]

it's also a bunch of fodder spam

for the 3rd level in a row

[lime drum]

Only level I don’t like is argent tower

[sonic stratus]

hell knights freaked me tf out the first time I played foundry but on repeat playthroughs they aren't that bad

eternal and tda 100% did the early game better than 2016 in terms of enemies

[lament girder]

I do like the 'nonlinear' aspect of it in that you can tackle each gore nest individually. But that's about it really. Keys are completely unnecessary, secret hunting feels very basic since it's early on in the game and it feels less open than it appears at first glance. Argent Facility does a better job at nonlinear design.

[gritty trail]

2016 did the early game better than 2016?

[sonic stratus]

you saw nothing

[gritty trail]

🤫

[lime drum]

Keys are very necessary

[lament girder]

2016's early game is really strong in design and visuals, the fodder balance kinda ruins it though.

[sonic stratus]

yes

[gritty trail]

Eternal was also before Microsoft

But yet you have to pay 20 dollars for 3 more levels 🥀

[sonic stratus]

soldiers and imps just two-shot you and you have no ability to regain resources

[lament girder]

Honestly 2016 feels like they gave a shit in the first 5 levels up to Kadingir, then slacked for the rest of the game. The industrial vibe is mostly absent, hell just isn't very interesting and the combat flatlines because you become simply too strong for the enemies to handle.

If the game had kept its highs from those first 6 levels I would love it. But as it is, I'd rather have 2016's first 6 levels ported to Eternal.

[sonic stratus]

for me the game only really takes off after foundry
yeah you've got a bunch of OP stuff but if you don't abuse the shit out of it then the mid game is awesome

obviously it does start to peter out at the end because the enemy variety isn't that great

although vega core is an exception

who knew cyber manc and baron spam was the answer

[gritty trail]

2016 had snapmap so it's automatically a bazillion times better than Eternal in my eyes, sorry eternalbros but I'm out here playing slop and LOVING it

[sonic stratus]

slopmap

[lament girder]

Problem is you want to. The game incentivizes you into unlocking the hard hitting stuff to dispatch fodder which is EVERYWHERE, almost as if they knew imps and soldiers were the hardest enemies by far. Enemy variety is also a big downside yeah. I honestly don't know why Revenants are as lame as they are in 2016, in Eternalthey can fuck you up if you're not careful. Especially TDA's revenants.

[lament girder]

I remember Snapmap every now and again, I remember liking custom geo maps when they first came out until I realized how jank they were and how much TRASH got uploaded to farm snap points. Honestly a lot of 2016 hasn't aged very well.

Particularly the multiplayer.

[gritty trail]

I like the multiplayer and I like snapmap as a concept. In execution it's not fantastic but that's because of the user generated maps being lacking; actually making stuff yourself is really cool

[sonic stratus]

once I get remote det, fodder gets knocked down quite a few pegs
imps are obviously always gonna be dicks but the rest can just be mostly written off

feels nice to have remote det that actually does damage

but yeah revs are just sad in 2016

[lament girder]

It is until you fall into account just how limiting everything is. Plus a lot of maps are simply arena combat focused stuff made with prefabs because that's easy to do. After a while it starts running together.

It's not like Eternal where you can have truly custom maps with idStudio, Snapmap won't let you place doors manually and is missing enemies.

[gritty trail]

I had the opposite feeling with the Revenants, aside from the TDA part, haven't played the game yet. I think in 2016 they looked awesome and were nice opponents, while in Eternal I can snipe their cannons off and they are instantly no longer an issue, plus they just look weird

[sonic stratus]

even on nightmare 2016 revs kinda just scream at me and don't do much

[gritty trail]

Limits aren't a problem for me because I'm too stupid to use the editor well enough to need to remove them 😎

[sonic stratus]

eternal revs aren't so bad after you get the ssg but at least they do keep you on your toes

[lament girder]

HC sniping is just a waste of ammo, they go down in one SSG blast at pointblank. Also I wasn't talking about how easy they are to take out (and even then that's not really a negative, more ways to take down enemies are always welcome) my point is how deadly they can be if you don't focus them.

[sonic stratus]

TDA revs are just annoying douchebags

in a good way

[lament girder]

2016's rev rockets barely connect. They're slow, the hitbox is minuscule, and are easily dodged. Whereas in Eternal they can home in, they travel faster, they hit harder, and they have AOE so they actually hit.

[gritty trail]

I mean you did say in 2016 they are "lame" so I responded with why I think they're cooler. Maybe Eternal ones are more dangerous if you don't focus on them, but for me that almost never happens because I just snipe their cannons and it's incredibly hard to lose focus at that point

[sonic stratus]

2016 revs have a cooler design, no question
but they're fairly pathetic

[lament girder]

Actually same goes for every enemy in Eternal. 2016's enemies feel like they're on slow motion most of the time. The Mancubus in particular is pretty depressing to fight, Eternal's manc will fuck you up 7 ways to Sunday.

[sonic stratus]

2016 enemies feel slow but most of them deal comically high damage to compensate

[lament girder]

Easily my favorite incarnation of the enemy just in terms of how fucking high its raw DPS is.

[sonic stratus]

80 damage spammed fireballs

but they're more the exception in eternal as far as dangerous heavy enemies

cacos can mess you up if you're sleeping, but other than them, mancs, and pain elementals, heavy demons in eternal are really not that bad

[lament girder]

In NM yeah, no death threshold and unpredictable patterns, you can't strafe at a consistent pace since sprint speed in any direction but forwards is slower, on top of the stupid amounts of damage because the game wasn't playtested very thoroughly on that diff.

[sonic stratus]

oh

and whiplashes

[lament girder]

Honestly 80 damage on stray imp fireballs is some horseshit. 2016's balancing is all over the place but personally I hate the way damage is calculated.

[sonic stratus]

it does not feel like 2016 was balanced on nightmare

[sonic stratus]

regular fireballs deal 45 damage iirc
although charged fireballs deal 75

which is still ridiculous

although it often feels like a lot more because most of the time before the midway point of the game you're rarely at full health

combat arenas are basically a race between the demon spawns and your health bar to see which will run out faster

[lament girder]

I rarely bother with the later levels in this game for reason cited above, but one of those is that the game doesn't feel any different than how it starts out. With Eternal and TDA you absolutely feel the escalation in difficulty, 2016 sorta stays in one spot and the only thing that escalates is the amount of fodder that spawns to deal stupid amounts of damage meanwhile you become more and more broken to the point heavies are just there to look pretty.

I mostly regret the fact the game does away with the industrial vibes from its early levels though. Foundry and Argent are cool, I don't like the hi-tech pristine lab setting. Doesn't scream 'DOOM' to me.

[sonic stratus]

eternal's difficulty is all over the place tbh
tda is the only one of the 3 that has a consistently increasing difficulty curve

[lament girder]

Progression wise from ITYTD to NM? Yeah absolutely, but I was talking about the difficulties themselves.

[sonic stratus]

I mean from level to level
cultist base and the first arena of doom hunter are bonkers, and the game kinda goes to sleep until sentinel prime (arc complex can be kinda tricky but still not that bad)
then taras nabad is probably the hardest level in the game, nekravol is a joke, then urdak and final sin are both pretty hard

[lament girder]

I think that's intentional, you don't want to keep the game at an 11 at all times. That's what the MLs are for. I'll give you that the early levels are pretty hard, but then again if you're on NM with no upgrades everything will be bonkers anyways.

[sonic stratus]

right I don't want the game to be really hard all the time

not even necessarily complaining about the difficulty curve in eternal, but just pointing out that TDA kinda nailed the difficulty ramp-up after update 2's reworks

[lament girder]

Also I'm not sure TN is the hardest in the game. The ML is probably the highest peak in difficulty in the entire new trilogy but vanilla TN just has the Archvile and the final arena with a buncha crucible ammo pickups.

[sonic stratus]

without the bfg/crucible it's on par with cultist base and sometimes harder imo

and that's not even really counting the meme last encounter where you're supposed to slice things up

[lament girder]

That encounter seemed super tough at first. Then I just realized it's barons, DHs, an Archie and a Marauder I think?

[sonic stratus]

the last encounter doesn't have a marauder nah

[lament girder]

Definitely not that hard once you figure out what to take out first.

[sonic stratus]

although honorable mention goes towards the second marauder who always glitches out on the stairs

[lament girder]

Okay then yeah all smiles.

[sonic stratus]

the last arena isn't even a problem
the areas with the odd geometry and the big threatening enemies are the ones that tend to get me

[lament girder]

Yeah honestly DE's technical inconsistencies are shitty but you get used to them. You sorta learn to avoid certain enemy and terrain combos because the game breaks easily.

Reason I had to cap my FPS to 120. Anything higher and enemy lunge makes them slide across the floor and stick to me.

[sonic stratus]

what, don't you like carcasses with infinite melee range?

[lament girder]

Enemy melee in Eternal is devastating. Getting close to an enemy without pre-stunning them is a death sentence.

[sonic stratus]

yep

[lament girder]

Which makes sense all things considered. People complain about melee doing 0 damage which, have you even played the game. Standing up close to an enemy in this game is asking to get bitched.

You'd only really be punching zombies anyways, might as well be gunfire.

[sonic stratus]

yeah no matter how big your weapons get you can still get bitch slapped by anything

[mossy breach]

i mean
once you uhhh
stun gun the plasma rifle
the revs become a MUCH lesser problem
esp since you SSG the same level you meet the revenant

[sonic stratus]

neither 2016 revs nor eternal revs are very threatening
Except eternal revs at least have a small presence because they attack more frequently and their missiles are homing

[mossy breach]

true

[karmic sonnet]

I mean when it goes on sale for 10 bucks why would i not pick that up? Thats less than a chipotle bowl

[karmic sonnet]

tbh i dont really care for lore if gameplay is fun enough.

i mean lore helps a ton, like fortnite glory days, lore was amazing, now its trash. but if the game's story mode is still good then ill take it

I do agree with this tho, this is why doom's graphics still feel good even tho its almost 10 years old

[lament girder]

'Fine diner'

Comedy.

[obsidian dirge]

🙄

[lament girder]

I don't know what it is with Eternal haters acting so unhinged.

Like are you okay? Can you show us on the doll where the game said bad words to you?

[obsidian dirge]

I have so many words that I can't muster up any of them

[obsidian dirge]

1000%

[mossy breach]

"fine diners" literally are just people who pay obscene amounts of money for what is actually mediocre food presented as holy grails of cuisine so they can feel special about themselves

i would not call myself a fine diner and then hate on the dish i paid pretty penny for

[mossy breach]

no they're usually not

[grave flare]

I don't really hate it, I just don't like the style they used for it

[lost helm]

Eternal being all over the place hurt it a bit tbh

like exultia in between the earth levels why lol

random ass setting change

[neat summit]

hell on earth levels my beloved

[lost helm]

…complaining about someone acting “unhinged” because they said ‘fine diner’ and then saying this is… yikes…

Why did you even get that mad at them they just joked about preferring the UAC setting 😭

[lost helm]

First level of Eternal is definitely one of my favourites of the franchise as a whole, I loved seeing an actual city in Doom

Doom II’s aren’t bad but they’re definitely less.. uh.. recognisably on Earth

[lost helm]

I definitely prefer 2016’s cohesive level order even though it got a liiitle same-y at some points

[sonic stratus]

[lofty charm]

Don't understand regarding fine diner part discussion (nor I understand why people upset about it), since not a native English speaker, but I assume it's about consistency and connection of Doom 2016 level design more, compared to "all over the place" Eternal one and here I agree. But I like some levels in Eternal too or parts of the levels. so I wouldn't say I dislike Eternal approach and visual design can be great in Eternal. And even in 2016 there are some levels, which are too short for me or I don't like visual design or approach of them. And as @ UAC File; said feels same-y a bit. But I still think that 2016 is better in this and I like it more.
In 2016:

• UAC - I like it, because it's nice and free for roaming. Like that it's outdoors level. Quite skippable. Don't like regular start (due to good, but still long cutscenes), enemy variety and level being too short, even with all encounters.
• Res Ops - is fine level with fine arenas, secrets etc, even though first "corridor->arena" level. Fine with being mostly "indoors" level. Don't like enemy variety and long dialogue in the end.
• Foundry - among my favorite due to visual design and being partly free for roaming. Indoors, but doesn't feel like it. Like that mid tier enemy finally appears. Not skippable, unlike UAC. Don't like big area with deadly lava.
• Argent Facility - I like it, even though hated it on my first playthoughs and dropped games 2 times here. Like sort of free roaming part and length. Partly indoors/outdoors level. Hated it before because of length - thought it was too long with full level exploration. Not very impressive outside of "tornado" thing in visuals, but fine in general (like flying things, cold area, Summoner, secrets).
• Argent Tower - is a good level in terms of feeling progression and that Mancubus, Revenant appear. Partly outdoors. but mostly indoors level. "Corridor->arena" level, but fine one. Don't like too much of deadly platforming, though.

• Kadingir Sanctum - my favorite hell level and among my favorite in general. I like visual design, outside of red arena in the end. Like that Cacos, Lost Souls, Barons appear. Outdoors level. Only upset that there are no Pinkies. "Corridor->arena" level, but I'm totally fine with it.
• Argent Facility (Destroyed) - don't like that level reused, but otherwise like it way more than original. Optional fights, Pinkies, good balance between enemies - great. Mostly outdoors level. Visuals are ok.
• From Argent Facility (Destroyed) all levels are "Corridor->arena" levels.
• ARC - is mostly good. BFG finally. Like arena fights. Don't like long dialogue, platforming area, being indoors level and last arena being a bit small.
• Lazarus Labs - fine, I guess. Long enough, which I like, but not too long. Like last arena and boss fights. Some fights are remarkable, some are not. Indoors level with fine design.
• Titan's Realm - fine, I guess. Not very remarkable for me outside of start. Indoors level with okayish design. Dark and feels squarish in terms of surroundings.
• Necropolis - meeeh. I like second fight, fights vs Barons and boss fight. Indoors level with okayish design. Dark and feels squarish in terms of surroundings. Very short.

• Vega - I like it. Last fight is probably among, if not the most favorite. Bright after 2 dark levels. A bit new visual approach. Indoors level with good remarkable design.

• Argent D'nur - I like it and all the fights. Oudoors level. A bit short for final battle, but boss fight sort of compensates for it. Feels too focused on arenas (few more corridors would be better).

======
In Eternal (which I barely remember):

• All levels are "Corridor->arena" levels. Mostly like visuals of surroundins (but often just ok with closer accessible for exploring/walking areas). Mosrly good mix of outdoors/indoors areas.
• Hell on Earth - my most replayed level, if I want to just chill or for reward system. Like it. Music is amazing. Oudoors level. Easy. Maybe a bit too little enemies and a bit too little harder enemies variety, but still better in this compared to 2016 starting levels.
• Exultia - like this level too and replay it often to chill and for rewards system. Like visuals of 1st part (2nd hell part is fine, I guess). More enemies. Oudoors mostly. Relatively easy. Platforming - is ok/don't like, but fine. Goo area is meh.
• Cultist Base - a bit mixed feelings. Sometimes replay it too. Mix of outdoors/indoors areas. Feels a bit long in some parts. Don't remember well.
• Doom Hunter Base - mixed feelings, but less likeable compared to previous one. Like boss figh. Mix of outdoors/indoors areas. Don't like length, platforming. Don't remember well.
• Super Gore Nest - favorite level in Eternal. Amazing balance of everything for me. Only issue is that feels a bit squarish for some reason and visuals are fine/good.
• ARC Complex - don't like it, but don't remember well too. Like Marauder fight in the end. Remember goo, remember boring buildings and fine arena fights there. Don't like length.
• Mars Core - I don't know. BFG finally. Probably should like, especially in destroyed Mars area (visually really cool), but don't remember well outside of some fights and platforming.
• Sentinel Prime - boss fight and that's it. Boss is fine.
• Taras Nabad - among my favorite, if I want harder fights. Like visuals. Like Marauder at the start (even though, don't like other monsters there). Like Archville and Crucible. Don't like that it's very long.

• Nekravol I/II - outside of starting area visuals don't remember well and not very remarkable for me. Like final battle in 2nd part and hell vibe. Remember that indoors feels squarish and there are too many indoors areas. Very long.
• Urdak - amazing visuals, especially outdoors. Good fights. Boss fight. Hate platforming.
• Final Sin - music from starting level. Boss fight. A lot of long fights vs heavy enemies in general. Mostly feels indoors and squarish there with boring buildings. A bit of mixed feeling overall, but I would say more good for me.

[lament girder]

Interesing, 2016 to me is like grey gruel. Except it's sometimes orange, sometimes green, sometimes red. It's like food dye in a sense but the same meal at the end of the day. Eternal to me feels like a bowl of salad with no dressing. There's less protein and 'fat' and more veggies because the game wants you to forget all the window dressing from 2016 and embrace actually learning to read the enemies, plan out firefights and know when to go in and out of 1v1s. You have to learn the game and play to it and that's the fun of it.

2016's lack of rules and wacky balancing is what puts me off of it, along with the visuals which are nice for the first 5 levels but the game was really hurting for variation. It would've helped if hell felt designed in a way that felt purposeful and rich with details and depictions of suffering/torture like Eternal.

[lament girder]

You missed the whole exchange from the day before and that's okay. You don't have to read if you don't want to.

Also I thought I had you ignored, funny.

[twin flower]

Are they microwaving the poor cat

[obsidian dirge]

Don't post stupid shit

It was. Take it up in a modmail dm if you have a problem and not in here.

[sturdy sparrow]

Wait, question- whats wrong with that?

Oh- its not Doom related lol nvm i forgot about that rule for a sec

[uncut tundra]

Well why not

If it's not what you say it is

Alr

[sturdy sparrow]

Whered his messages go? Lol did he get banned or something?

[obsidian dirge]

Call a mod or admin a Nazi and yeah you get banned. No room for that here.

[sturdy sparrow]

Oh, i didnt know he called you a Nazi lol sorry

[obsidian dirge]

No worries. Anyway, I'm going to start a new Nightmare run in 2016 next week and try to 100% it

[lost helm]

Oh I’m sorry I only read the messages from today and I don’t dedicate my entire life to reading 2 weeks worth of messages in the doom 2016 channel

It was still a weird comment to reply like that to

[lost helm]

Final Sin’s design is a little boring but the way the Icon smashes through the buildings more than makes up for it tbh

[lost helm]

I’m actually not that big on Exultia at least on a replay

It just feels like it drags a LOT

[lost helm]

Yeah VEGA Core is awesome

And the reason why I don’t get people saying the 3rd act of doom 2016 is boring

The blue look for everything is very nice

[astral rain]

I know that the first act is The UAC to Argent Tower, and that the second act begins at Kadingir Sanctum, but where does it end? Does the third act begin at Lazarus Labs?

[lost helm]

IMO Second act ends Lazarus Labs

Especially given the presence of the Cyberdemon there

[astral rain]

Seems fair. First is 5 levels, and second and third are 4 each

Just checked the wiki

[lost helm]

What did the wiki say

Or do you mean you checked it for amounts of levels

[prisma ember]

Does anyone play doom or external on switch at all anymore? I know thats crazy talk but I am limited for a bit.

[lofty charm]

I like part with Icon of SIn for sure, but still don't like most typical ruined buildings areas. Even as a fan of F.E.A.R., lol.
Exultia feels actually pretty short for me compared to other levels that's why I replay it periodically/often (at least, if we talk about mission select replay after finishing game). Only Hell on Earth feels shorter (and Sentinel Prime). But yeah, it's not that impressive in terms of same enemies variety compared to same Suoer Gore Nest, which feels longer, but at the same time well packed with action.
I agree. I think people may say that 3rd act is boring is because you can be very well upgraded at this point and use quite OP stuff, so not many issues would be on the way. I also like Argent D'nur fights, but design of Vega is way more remarkable and last fight is favorite.

[lost helm]

Hell on Earth > Exultia tbh because HoE's presentation is immaculate

[lofty charm]

Yeah, Hell on Earth is higher for me too for sure.

[sonic stratus]

Noooo fine dining guy is gone

[lament girder]

FINE DINING, A FINE FUCKING MESS.

[sonic stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/gordon-ramsay-bully-angry-wheres-the-lamb-sauce-gif-15932876

[obsidian dirge]

Good riddance. Let's move on

[astral rain]

Exactly that

[lost helm]

:p

[finite basin]

Who is obsessed with the menu music?

Specifically hellwalker

[lost helm]

hellwalker is fucking awesome yeah

[astral rain]

If the menu music was a person, I'd either be their best friend forever, or marry them

[finite basin]

Yes!

Its literally my username on xbox

But with two ii instead of LL because xbox wouldn't allow two LL

HeIIwalker5921 is my user

[astral rain]

Does the 5921 mean something or is it just your favorite number?

[candid mason]

Still someone to help me or..

[astral rain]

Base game or expansion ones?

[finite basin]

Its just the number the Xbox gave me

[astral rain]

Also, it's extremely lame how you can't have "hell" on your username. I don't consider it profanity unless you tell someone to go on a road trip to it

[finite basin]

Yea

[north comet]

i just beat Olivia pierce im going to eternal

[jade marsh]

got 3 DS in a teamplay on '16, just need 1 more...

[lost helm]

Peak

[heavy spear]

Does anyone want to play online?

[low rock]

Hello, im looking for the online trophies.
Id psn: pedrlcamara

[fluid beacon]

wouldnt it be funny if someone ported ts to the 3ds?

[neat summit]

No

[grave flare]

That probably wouldn't even be possible

[gritty trail]

You could demake it I guess

[acoustic scroll]

Is the multiplayer still active ? Looking to get the platinum of the game

[fluid beacon]

thats why it'd be funny
cuz its stupid to even port it
though, i guess you could make it possible, though hard, to play wiuth the touchscreen

[maiden urchin]

MAYBE could be theoretically possible on PS Vita but then again it would be just heavily downscaled version like Switch. Earlier known screenshots of Doom 2016 suggest it was coming to PS3/X360 at one point before they switched over to next gen consoles

[grave flare]

It did have a beta on ps3 and 360 so there was a possibility

[maiden urchin]

I'm honestly down to seeing it in action but I'm yet to see anyone port id tech 5 to Vita, as for Nintendo 3DS - you'd probably have to recreate game in a different engine rather than having a direct port because it's just a bit better portable Wii performance wise

As for control scheme, i imagine it'd be identical to other consoles due to circle pad pro (or whatever it was called), without it it'd be similar to DS shooters - with touchscreen having weapons and etc as well as being able to move camera

I'm just very into handheld systems lol

[lofty charm]

After watching this video wanted to rant a bit regarding what I don't like about Eternal and why I like 2016 more, but then I understood I'm not sure what I want to rant about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YzsL0di5gk
I know Eternal is better overall game (in at least semi-objectively graphics aspect), but I feel it's so overhyped that it just affects me in a negative way and that's my main issue, I guess.
Every time I return to it, it feels like a good game, which did some stuff better for me compared to 2016, but it's just not "omg game of the century, such a big improvement compared to 2016, can't play other shooters after it" game for me and I don't get why it can be for others.
Like compared to 2016, we have in Eternal:

• Better graphics.
• Skippable cutscenes (which to cons of 2016, than to pros of Eternal, since any game with idea of replayability should have it by default).
• Not so deadly deadly zones (teleportation and damage thing instead of insta death).
• Cooler backgrounds.
• Combat loop.
• Gore is cooler for me.
• Better enemy variety (really cool).
• More enemies in fights (cool).
• More agressive enemies and more heavy enemies (ok).
• Enemy weak spots (destructible or not) and improved idea of weakness to certain weapons.
• More bosses (2 become mini bosses).
• Dash, which is nice buff to movement (but I would prefer sprint).
• Meathook for SSG for movement and armor (I use it for armor mostly or to get closer to enemy).
• Flame belch for armor (yay), but no Holo or Siphon grenades.
• Better balance overall in my opinion with less OP stuff and more challenging progression.
• Horde Mode and Master levels. But no Arcade Mode.
• Official Modding support. But no Snapmap.
• Amount of content overall (including DLCs) and overall support for Eternal. Skins can also be added here.

And these are all cool improvements, it's a big list, but doesn't feel drastically big, especially with taking into account that 2016 has pros over Eternal too.

So I assume, every time I return to Eternal I become victim of that hype, because of my high expectations and get a bit dissapointed, since I get different feeling from it compared to other players.

[lofty charm]

Wonder, if someone else main issue is this, rather than other stuff in Eternal itself.
Now after this rant, I feel better and want to play Eternal a bit. 😅

[elder meadow]

at the moment, it’s not

[neat summit]

Its kinda funny how the rocket launcher feels weak without remote detonation but still deals a shitton of self damage especially on nightmare

[warped robin]

https://tenor.com/view/minion-rain-sofela-gif-884905725896610874

Can someone explain to me why I don't have the 'Closed Circle' achievement but I have IDDQD (I have all runes at the maximum level)?

[gritty trail]

You probably used level select for it. That invalidates it for some reason

[warped robin]

Thanks

[astral rain]

I'd say it depends on day and time

[earnest cove]

There's a bug that basically prevents two achievements on Advanced Research Complex

so you'd have to make a whole new campaign to 100% prob

and dont use level select

[earnest cove]

i hate doom eternal too so i'll check out all of these points of what's "better" about DE. I have not watched the video, I'm just going based off of your bullet points. I like ranting too ❤️

• Better Graphics | I personally would NOT say Eternal has better graphics. Eternal was an eyesore for me the whole time that I played it. In my opinion, I'd say 2016 looks way better in almost every aspect. But it's really subjective which one a person believes looks better.
• Skippable Cutscenes | DOOM 2016 didn't really need skippable cutscenes, since most cutscenes were pretty short. It would have been convenient to have skippable cutscenes for some of the slightly longer ones though.
• Not-So-Deadly Deadly Zones | Yeah the teleportation instead of instant death when falling into the void or other was a bit more convenient. I'll give that to Eternal, but it's nothing major.
• Backgrounds | Customizable menu backgrounds? Yeah that's pretty cool to have, but not really a necessity since I'm typically not staring at the menu for very long. Still I'll give that to Eternal just as a fun feature.
• Combat Loop | Combat loop in Eternal is NOT objectively better. They're both very good in 2016 and Eternal, and it all comes down to personal preference. I prefer 2016's.
• Gore | I think Eternal had slightly more dynamic on-body gore, but besides that I don't recall much of a difference between Eternal and 2016 when it came to demon gore.
• Enemy Variety | Yeah there's more enemies in Eternal. I think it's only fair that a sequel reuses enemies from the first game, then adds on with more. Eternal does good with adding more enemies, but I don't like how sometimes people act as if 2016 had a lack of enemies. The enemy roster was pretty well rounded and worked great for the game.

Giant Text Wall Alert!!!!!! 🚨 🤓

The Official Mod support was soooo late to be added. The idStudio for DOOM Eternal is quite literally I think hundreds of gigabytes. It's not what I would consider accessible for people who want to make Mods.

SnapMap was very user accessible and surprisingly easy to learn, despite all of its flaws. I mean if it continued to get updates, it'd be a masterpiece for sure. It's already relatively good.

Battlemode wasn't really that great imo. I just didn't find it nearly as fun as 2016's MP. I never tried the Master Levels or Horde Mode, I didn't think I'd be into those either.

[lofty charm]

Thanks for detailed reply! 👍
I wouldn't say I hate Eternal - more like don't like some things.
Yeah, ratings are fun! 😄 🎉

• I mean, textures look better and more detailed, overall. Also there is new Ray Tracing feature with reflections. In visual style it's subjective for sure and I like both: cleaner huge and epic Eternal and more compact dark misty and atmospheric 2016.
• As someone who has almost 3000 hours due to modding I highly disagree, but I should've mentioned that I counted dialogues towards cutscenes too. Starting cutscenes are really long, Res Ops final dialogue is long, long dialogue in Research Complex and there are here and there dialogues/cutscenes in between. If to replay it, it takes a lot of time. I'm glad that Arcade mode has few shortcuts for that.
• Glad we agree regarding deadly zones.)
• I meant in-game backgrounds, my bad. Like all this bigger than life things where robots fight Titans, huge buildings, destroyed Earth. Non-playable area. But yeah, backgrounds for menu are nice too, same as skins for Slayer (would be cool, if skins for enemies would work in SP too).
• I wouldn't say anything outside of graphics is even semi-objectively better (most of the stuff I mention is either quality of life things or more content). I think that combat loop is better in Eternal because of better integration of chainsaw and new tools like flame belch, dash, meathook for SSG and balance of other tools. Sure, it's matter of preference, but for me both miss a bit, but both are good in their own way and I just find Eternal more closer to sweet spot for me.
• Yeah, enemies more destructible in Eternal and their wounds less hidden by blood like in 2016 + GKs with blade look more brutal. But same 2016 has own flavor and pros for me in this aspect: it's really bloody and GKs are more based on DoomSlayer physical force.

• Agree here too. 2016 indeed had well rounded roster, so Eternal improved it even more. Though my main issue with 2016 is lack of enemies in battle compared to Eternal. Eternal feels too crowded sometimes in small arenas, wihle 2016 feels lackluster sometimes in this especially with stronger tools in 2016. Also I'm a bit salty that 2016 had Harvester and Prowler only for MP (T0y0ta added Harvester for mods, thankfully).
• I mean it's still support and it feels still more handy than Notepad only + some tools to work with textures. Yeah, SnapMaps look cool, but also feel more niche for some reason. I mean you can't even upload to mods websites as far as I understand.
• Can't tell anything regarding MP since don't play it. I played 2016 with bots, though and it was fun. I liked Master Levels and Horde Mode in Eternal, since it grants second life to levels with new approach.

[uncut tundra]

I like 2016 more

Bc I said so

😤

[earnest cove]

I'm currently crowned President of DEHC (doom eternal hate club) in another DOOM server as a joke, but there's some truth to it since I really dislike the game compared to 2016. It's a bit more of a personal vendetta against DE, so for the most part I don't mind if anyone prefers Eternal over 2016.

With that said though, I do do my best to convince people of why I prefer 2016 so much, so don't mind if I seem a little too extra when it comes to giving Eternal critique 😭

These points all seem pretty fair, though I'm gonna circle back on a few of them:

• I haven't played Eternal in a very long time, but I could tell you I didn't find much of a notable difference between the detailing of the textures of the two games. If I ever play Eternal again, I'll try looking more closely at the textures. Overall though, it's one of those differences that seems so minor that it's not really significant enough to bring up as a key reason for Eternal to be considered better, if that makes sense. In my opinion, larger and more detailed textures get to a point where its unnecessary, and simply takes up more storage. Nonetheless DOOM 2016 looks absolutely gorgeous, and Doom Eternal looks rather good too, especially with how well optimized it is.

• Yes! I count those "real-time" cutscenes/dialogue as well. It definitely would've been helpful to have a built-in skip option, like in Eternal. I've personally replayed the campaign of 2016 a fair amount of times, and I guess I've only minded the longer unskippable cutscenes a little bit. Still, it'd be convenient to have.

• Ohhh yes the in-game "backgrounds." I think Eternal had some investing background events. It made it feel more alive. What's funny is that I think it's rather fitting that 2016's backgrounds aren't all as much so. Eternal's world was more chaotic and lively, but there was lots of emphasis on 2016's world being empty and dead. Only in those missions with emphasis on the lively environment was there a lively background

So world-building wise, both of the games background's actually worked very well. But I will give it to Eternal that those background events were very entertaining

• Most SnapMaps probably feel niche because of many reasons. Lots of maps were pretty half-assed and felt similar to hundreds of other maps, we call those SlapMaps. The reason for that goes back to what I said about how easy it is for anybody to try SnapMap, lots of people would try their hand at it and not invest as much time as is for some of the much better maps. Either that or they hadn't yet learned all of the tricks to make a SnapMap unique.

On top of that though, SnapMap got abandoned by updates after only a while. Kind of means that all of the features that could make SnapMap even better won't ever be added. At least with SnapHak--(a mod meant to open the full potential of SnapMap you could maybe say), a lot more is possible, and breakthroughs are still being made.

Yappathon 🔥

Anyway Eternal does have plenty of features and mechanics that could be considered better than what's in 2016.

All of which I couldn't care less only because my biggest problem with Eternal is the comically bad story, but that seems to be something nobody is really interested in hearing about anyway so I won't elaborate on that

But that's js me being closed-minded... 🥀

[lost helm]

Based Zoey pfp

[earnest cove]

now we're talking

[steady eagle]

Game crashed on Switch 2 right at the end of Resource Operations. Given that I was in Mission Select, I have to start the mission over.

[stray halo]

Its okay bud

[spiral rune]

FIRST MESSAGE IN DOOM 2016 OF OCTOBER!

[lofty charm]

For someone who has President status of DEHC you have very reasonable and acceptable opinions for DE, which is really cool. 😄
I do prefer 2016 way more too and it's probably among my favorite games, even with all the cons I see.

• It's not super noticable with objects or especially with monsters (I may even argue that monsters in 2016 look better with shiny, glowing and smoke effects), but with surfaces it can be quite noticeable, but generally I agree.
• Agree.)
• Agree mostly, but I would also like to see more chaos happening on Mars and Hell areas be more filled, be bigger and feel closer to something like start of Nekravol, lol. Argent D'nur and Kadingir feel like very compact areas due to them being all restricted in terms of view. Titan's Realm has cool start with that Titan skull, but othetwise it's just big dungeon made from small rooms and corridors and Necropolis is small short dungeon in general.
• Fair regarding SnapMaps, but also as said - it would be cool to upload them somewhere else, like we do with mods to have better ability for promotion/showcase. Also most of the maps look alike, since they are usually indoors maps with same assets, square small rooms and a lot of doors between. But I saw few quite impressive maps too.

Fair too regarding preferences - we all have them afterall. I stopped to care much about D16/Eternal story after I played both few times, but I found both interesting back then. D16 generally feels like sci-fi with mix of action and even horror, while DE more like action sci-fi fantasy or something. But I'm ok with both currently.
I don't think not liking something makes anyone closed-minded - we all have preferences in games and other types of art.

[gritty trail]

I also liked D16 and Eternal's stories at first but now I don't really care about them as much. They feel a bit convoluted. I think the best DOOM story we've had so far is the 2005 movie but that's a spicy take

[lost helm]

I think 2016's story was pretty coherent and I still enjoy it but Eternal's is kinda naff

[steady eagle]

Yep, I found a bug that prevents progress on the Switch 2. Because the game crashed at the exact same spot on the second attempt.

[steady eagle]

On the part where the mandatory Argent Energy emerges (or doesn't if you already have it) at Resource Operations, the game crashes on Switch 2. Given that I was on Mission Select, I already have it. But a fix will be necessary for this issue or else progress is impossible.

[opaque timber]

People who think this game has the best enemy models ⬇️

[rancid marsh]

Hay who wonts to grind Doom 2016 multiplayer PC.

[steady eagle]

Was this a good spot to report this? Or do I need to report the issue to someone?

[shadow gull]

I'm down

I'm looking for people to and get help from with the multiplayer achievements.

[rancid marsh]

same

[earnest cove]

Try Bethesda Support maybe. I'm not sure they can do much since Id doesn't update the game anymore, but they might look into it if it's a Switch 2 problem

[earnest cove]

it 100% does wyem

[earnest cove]

• I loooooooove the surface in Titan's Realm. I really wish we got to see more of that, it was only one area. I agree Argent D'Nur feels rather compact, and most of Hell does as well. Kadingir Sanctum was the only primarily outdoor Hell mission, which I'd personally say did feel a little bit compact at times for being outdoors, but overall it was a good mix between open and enclosed. Either way, all of the Hell missions looked wonderful.

[uncut tundra]

Dark ages is my fav

I love the Vagary design

Reminds me of the cyber demon

But 2016's is my sec fav when it comes to enemy designs

I think it has higher poly's than eternal's but not sure

Oh and the eddie hall imps

So metal

But then you have the 2016 hell knight

Horrifying

Zombies look real good in this game too

Unwilling are the best zombies

So ye it's an even mix

[earnest cove]

Yeah SnapMap had a very limited prop and FX selection, which made lots of it seem repetitive. The modules had a very good selection, but the issue is that they'd always feel the same after playing enough Maps. Unless the modules were wonderfully and uniquelly decorated and used, it'd seem the same as other maps that use the same modules.

There are good fixes for this though. SnapHak allows usage of campaign/MP props, FX, and sounds in SnapMap, which makes everything feel a lot less limited in terms of decoration and atmosphere. Custom geometry--building entire areas from scratch with Blocking Volumes and props/scaled props--helps make every section in a map feel unique. The issues are that of verticality since demons can (mostly) only navigate the floor, and that of time consumption.

[uncut tundra]

Imagine if you could customize your own demon in snapmap

[earnest cove]

I thought the Eternal HellKnights just looked basic and strange compared to the 2016 ones

[earnest cove]

You can sort of

[uncut tundra]

I've seen it possible on pc

But in console it's straight up impossible

[uncut tundra]

Prob cuz they have eyes

[earnest cove]

Yeah mods like SnapHak aren't available for console, but that's a given

[earnest cove]

The eyes and the colour pallet were just 💔

[uncut tundra]

But what I mean is that you can customize a demon's body, stats, color, head shape

Like imagine you have the option to change a baron's head to have no eyes, or be the classic varation

Have no horns, or a bunch of horns

Be really fast or really slow

[earnest cove]

You can already customize Health and Damage by default.

With SnapHak you can also customize size, texture, model (sort of), and attachments

And some other stats like animation speed

[uncut tundra]

Can you make a classic baron

Super specific I know

[earnest cove]

Like 2d Baron?

[uncut tundra]

Like y'know that gladiator in eternal

Make it red

[earnest cove]

Oh the original Hell Knight species

[uncut tundra]

Ye

[earnest cove]

You can try. I was making a Cyber-Knight

[uncut tundra]

How has no one tried it yet

Is SnapHak new?

[uncut tundra]

Wait so can you make a really big zombie

[earnest cove]

No it's old, but there aren't assets to make it look exactly like a classic Knight. Someone has probably tried to some extent, but you can't make it super accurate. You'd have to just take some creative liberties

[uncut tundra]

Oof

They should have a go at making a full fledged creative mode like snap map again

But with more extensive options for customizability

[earnest cove]

They probably won't because of idStudio

[earnest cove]

Yeah

[uncut tundra]

Lol is there a vid of this

[earnest cove]

I don't have any good screenshots of my Cyber-Knight so I'll have to send one later

[earnest cove]

Spiral of Amnesia uses a scaled Unwilling as the main enemy

[earnest cove]

Yeah I shouldn't call myself close-minded for not liking Eternal, especially considering I used to be a fan of the game until eventually I started to notice all of the issues I had with it. It took time, but I realized how much more I liked 2016.

[earnest cove]

Eternal's whole story just seems like a mix of unnecessary powerscaling and writing with no real focus.

I couldn't even tell who was meant to be the main villain in Eternal. The Cultists? The Maykrs? The Icon of Sin?

[uncut tundra]

The Maykers

[earnest cove]

It was hard to tell. I guess the Cultists were working for the Maykrs

[uncut tundra]

The Maykrs are who release the Icon, and aid the cultists

They have more presence than the cultists too

[steady eagle]

Reported the issue to both Bethesda Support and Nintendo Support.

[earnest cove]

One of them will hopefully do something. Maybe Nintendo

[earnest cove]

I can't even remember what mission the Maykrs were first introduced in. Did the first Cultist say something about them when you kill him?

Usually it's best for the first villain/conflict to be introduced in any story to be the main villain/conflict, and not a third-party/side antagonist

[uncut tundra]

The first mission

Khan Mayker reminds you that you were supposed to be the leader of her faction

Which is further enforced in Dark ages

As you see him being mind controlled

But that's further context so we don't count that rn

[earnest cove]

that happened? 😭 i might need to replay Eternal cause i can't remember anything

all i remembered was the corny cutscenes and eyesore color coding

[uncut tundra]

Idk try playing it again

Read the lore, ask m0no some questions

It's interesting stuff

[earnest cove]

i wanted to a few months ago, but the 90gb install turrned me off

to play a game just to remember why i dislike it

[uncut tundra]

Hm

Then just watch some cutscenes and lore vids lol

[earnest cove]

Not gonna read the lore unless I like the main plot, which I don't seem to

[uncut tundra]

But not from Midnight

[uncut tundra]

Well you can ask m0no on what you don't understand

[earnest cove]

Maybe I could try watching a full gameplay. It wouldn't be as useful but I could try

[earnest cove]

I will when I refresh on the main plot

[uncut tundra]

Whatever you deem necessary

[earnest cove]

Still, I can tell you it didn't compare to 2016's

Thats for sure 🙏

[uncut tundra]

Well I liked 2016's more too

But Eternal wasn't like a bunch of jargon to me

It has more interesting world building going on

But execution is uhhhh lacking

[earnest cove]

2016 had fantastic worldbuilding

such good stuff

perfect example of when i say "doom eternal and doom dark ages just felt like unnecessary power scaling"

[uncut tundra]

Well ye they introduce a lot of powerful factions

So you fight really cool enemies

Lookin forward to fighting the high council in the dark ages dlc

Cuz that's really likely

[earnest cove]

"Today we're gonna turn previous characters into gods purely for shock value and power scaling"

[uncut tundra]

Vega, well smt was clearly different abt Vega, and its arcane nature

Samuel Hayden? That was bad

Not meant to be the Seraphim at all

The Doom slayer is not really a god

That's all the character turned god I can think of really

Or "god-like"

[earnest cove]

Vega was definitely hiding something... but I don't know about being God. Could've done something else

Sammy being anything but a cyborg was just bad though. They literally retconned 2016 in several different ways for like no reason

[uncut tundra]

Ye I can understand that

[earnest cove]

Doom Guy being a superhuman was already established, so yeah that's fine. Not sure I liked the whole "Divinity Machine" concept, but the Sentinels getting expanded lore was alright. I didn't play TAG so I don't know much, only some of what's important

What do you even do after fighting the creator of the universe? Not really any good way to write a villain after that, unless you do a prequel... [Dark Ages Title Card]

[uncut tundra]

The Maykrs are still alive

So is Samuel

[earnest cove]

Yeah but realistically it's not a great decision to write the least grounded and existential villain/conflict possible, because fighting anything less than that afterwards is just uninteresting.

[uncut tundra]

That's just what we can predict for now

I don't see them doing an eternal sequel

Just sequels to dark ages

[earnest cove]

Maybe a sequel to 2016 where not every detail from the game gets retconned, and we can see:

• How Doomguy got out of Hell
• How Vega got brought back
• And how like literally everything else happened

Before Eternal

[uncut tundra]

How he got out of Hell?

From where

At the end of 2016??

[sturdy sparrow]

From Hell, duh

[uncut tundra]

We don't know where he went

[earnest cove]

Yes. Was that explained in lore?

[uncut tundra]

Uh

[earnest cove]

We can assume with the evidence given he was sent back to Hell

[uncut tundra]

Did Samuel send him to Hell

I guess so?

[earnest cove]

Samuel put him in a tether, which means to Hell

Probably because Samuel didnt want him messing anything up

[uncut tundra]

Ok that's an idea

A 2016 sequel

[sturdy sparrow]

But he was already in Hell when he killed the Spider Mastermind, right?

[uncut tundra]

He can retrieve the fortress of Doom

[earnest cove]

I was somewhat sarcastic about the 2016 sequel, they'll just mess it up more

[earnest cove]

Samuel brought him back to Mars (with the tether) then sent him back to Hell (with the tether)

[uncut tundra]

[sturdy sparrow]

Oh-

I didnt realise that tbh

[earnest cove]

y'all gonna crumble to bits when Expedition Black Delta is released. it's gonna be sooooooo tough for sure for sure

[uncut tundra]

The what

[earnest cove]

it's a snapmap im making 🥰

[uncut tundra]

Make a vid

When it's done

Is it playable on console

[earnest cove]

hopefully some other people will record playing it cause im too lazy

[earnest cove]

yes all snapmaps are

[uncut tundra]

Sweet

[earnest cove]

i think i can send a video link here maybe

[uncut tundra]

Sure

[earnest cove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH9KDGsOs98

literally the only public teaser of the map i have

i might send screenshots in #screenshots

[uncut tundra]

Ye a lil more would be nice

All I saw is a room with an argent cell

[earnest cove]

That's like the intro room

i have to send 2 SS at a time so give me a sec

#screenshots message

i'll just send four

[uncut tundra]

Oh sweet

How much do you have done

[earnest cove]

I had more done before, but I decided to take it back a bit and revamp the entire scenery and layout, and I also ended up completely deleting an area that took me five or six hours to make

It's long since I make everything by hand, I don't use modules

[uncut tundra]

I guess at some point you changed it up so much you had to rethink the entire thing

[earnest cove]

Five or six hours just to make the layout and scenery, didn't get to gameplay yet

[uncut tundra]

I think gameplay should come first

You know those dev rooms

Where it's like all white

And has the general layout

[earnest cove]

Yeah sort of. I've been really thinking on what to make the next area look like. The first area I just revamped only ambience and scenery-wise, it still functions the same

I made a demo for the next area, but I'm gonna delete it and start from scratch with the same concept in mind. I guess I could show a screenshot of the demo area too

[uncut tundra]

Ye sure

[earnest cove]

Can't really do that since I don't wanna make combat encounters in a blank room. The combat has to be built inside of an area, not the other way around, if you get what I mean

[uncut tundra]

Ye I get it but there's the possibility you make an arena too cramped or janky to play in

But it looks real cool

And boom 5 hrs down the drain

But ye this is some cool stuff

[earnest cove]

Maybe three hours to make the area I just sent, but it's a different area than the one I took five or six before

[uncut tundra]

Would be awesome if you could import your own music too

Hm

[earnest cove]

Yeah support for imported assets would be interesting. There is such a concept as Custom Music in SnapMap, but I don't try it since it's lengthy and complicated

[uncut tundra]

And again, would be awesome if that was more accessible

It's why classic doom never dies

Like ever

[earnest cove]

Does classic Doom have mods and modded maps for console?

[uncut tundra]

Yes in the Doom 1 and 2 remaster

To clarify, you can't make your own maps on console

And Gzdoom isn't supported

Buuuuut there's a wide selection of really good wads

And I think most doomers like the more vanilla stuff anyway

[earnest cove]

What made SnapMap considerably accessible is that not only is it built into the game, but anybody on any console can make their own maps because of that.

I wonder if I can forward messages here

[uncut tundra]

Ye not arguing that

[earnest cove]

I wanna show one of Surkea's custom music clips

[uncut tundra]

But what you can make is kinda basic

You need SnapHak to even remotely make a unique experience from the base game

Which classic mods are night and day better than the base game

Custom enemies, music, textures, layouts, guns, slots

[earnest cove]

You can still make a fairly unique experience, SnapHak just opens up way more possibilities.

Campaign/MP assets are totally usable for console. That means sounds, props, and effects from the two can be used on console in SnapMap

[uncut tundra]

Ye but they all bleed together really

Not to mention how it never gained the big following it should

[gritty trail]

I like SnapMap because I just never expected it to be some sort of hyper advanced level editor

[uncut tundra]

I like it's accessibility yeah

I made like 7 maps myself

But you're fairly limited

It's a good concept that should've been expanded

[earnest cove]

It has its limitations, but it's still very good in many aspects. Shame it never got more updates, it literally could've been as good or better than classic Doom wads

[uncut tundra]

That's what I mean

It has potential

It really does

[earnest cove]

It had potential for that... Id is never going to come back to it

[uncut tundra]

Well ye

[earnest cove]

All id has done to doom was the April Patch which literally did nothing but break LegacyMod

[uncut tundra]

And you can't really blame them considering the amt of ppl who actually played and invested lots of considerable time, which is not many compared to the whole fanbase

They don't have infinite resources

Same reason why multiplayer was axed

10 years of having your side modes called mid and being expected to improve on your campaign, your gonna have to choose one or the other

[earnest cove]

idStudio toooootally gonna have way more people using it (inaccessible to probably 50% or more of the fanbase)

But I do get what you mean

[gritty trail]

I mean tbh it's super hard to stand out as a multiplayer FPS game nowadays

[uncut tundra]

Not talking abt idstudio

Don't care for it

[earnest cove]

They put resources into idStudio is what I mean though

[uncut tundra]

Ye over like 5 years

[gritty trail]

You either need to have batshit insane mechanics, or be free. id Software has been doing almost the same exact multiplayer since 1993 so it was same old same old

[uncut tundra]

And not many ppl play it either

[gritty trail]

Wolfenstein ET was new and free which is why it busted nuts. Very good game

[uncut tundra]

So safe to assume they abandon future idstudio stuff

I just don't see dark ages being modded a ton

And future titles

[earnest cove]

True honestly. TBF the game is ten years old, so not sure if "nowadays" still counts but I can see the same issue with back then. The more popular MPFPS were vastly different

[uncut tundra]

I think the most fun multiplayer is the co-op experience

If they had a co-op horde mode ppl would eat that up

Hop on with your boys and survive as long as you can

[earnest cove]

Needed a DOOM 2016 co-op experience really bad so I started making one in SnapMap... which failed pretty bad the first time, but I'm determined to try again

[uncut tundra]

Ye you can do that in snapmap no?

But is it still up and running

Does anyone even play lol

[earnest cove]

Yes. Biggest issue is nobody plays SnapMap enough anymore for MP, but if you can convince a friend then youre all good

[uncut tundra]

See this is what I mean

[gritty trail]

I really like co-op modes that have you running through the singleplayer campaign together but that is quite hard to do with modern campaigns I imagine

[uncut tundra]

"I want multiplayer I want multiplayer!!!!!" But then they never play

The community is the issue(the wider community)

[earnest cove]

I was making a co-op campaign from scratch before. I'm doing basically the same again

[earnest cove]

literally

snapmap community is already pretty small rn, and even smaller in the discord community of snapmap, so communicating with people to play co-op can be tedious

js throwing that out there

[uncut tundra]

They would have to rebalance the whole campaign tho, which is why I was thinking of a shorter horde mode

Plus no cutscenes

And no immersion broken

[gritty trail]

Tbh I am pretty sure the people who want DOOM MP are the louder minority. If you like id Software's franchises and you like MP experiences then there is pretty much no reason to look to DOOM over Quake

[earnest cove]

I need more games with co-op campaigns.

And I don't mean multiplayer compatibility with the singleplayer campaign... No I literally mean campaigns made from scratch specifically for co-op. Like Portal 2! However it takes a lot of resources to do that I bet

[uncut tundra]

Ye they would be the minority

[gritty trail]

They wouldn't have to, look at Classic DOOM for example. Shit gets broken easily in MP but that's part of the fun

[uncut tundra]

Ye but the gap between say classic doom and dark ages is really big

Much more gears are in play

Optimization and allat

How maps load, how demon ai work

[earnest cove]

Yeah its like comparing GMOD and CS2

[uncut tundra]

It's just easier to focus on a smaller mode soly for combat

[earnest cove]

One's fun is based off of ragged chaos, the other is meant to be more uhhh... like well made

[gritty trail]

Yeah no I know these games are wildly different but I'm just saying broken stuff is still fun

[uncut tundra]

But it should be hard aswell

[earnest cove]

Nooo not always.

[uncut tundra]

And it takes a ton of resources

[earnest cove]

I wouldn't consider soft-locks or achievement preventions as fun.
Some broken stuff is fun

[gritty trail]

Maybe it's just me then but figuring out how to break stuff is a favorite of mine

[uncut tundra]

Imagine doing allat and your game breaks instantly