it sure would be a lot of fun
#doom-2016
cold root
elder meadow
Rip And Tear (with your friends)
cold root
yes
surprising none of the Doom games after the classics had official coop modes
well, Doom 3 for the og xbox had coop but that's it
elder meadow
oh wow
elder meadow
doom eternal also has a coop mod
cold root
đ
cold root
nice
halcyon bear
Still need to give that a go. Looks great. That and invasion
cold root
it would be good if snapmap allowed you to play as any of the non-boss demons in the game like multiplayer does. I sure would have played as the Hell Razer
winter stream
cant play as hell razer in mp
cold root
sad
winter stream
there's just the mp exclusive demons like prowler and harvester
cold root
the Prowler is a sp enemy in Eternal
the Harvester sadly isn't though. it sure would be great as an enemy
winter stream
I mean mp exclusive as far as d2016 is concerned
cold root
yeah
the Harvester is really interesting. it steals hp from other players and can turn them into projectiles
cold root
so, Hell Razers originally had the same model as Possessed Soldiers
just shows that they are a variant of them even more
halcyon bear
Glad the changed that
elder meadow
Is it normal that when i got doom 2016 for the first time i managed to beat the campaign the same day in 7 hours
halcyon bear
Is it normal that when i got doom 2016 for the first time i managed to beat the ...
Depends on a few things. If you ignored secrets if you ignored trials and what difficulty. 7 hours seems normal for a vet though or even less
slim pebble
Hell Razers are basically Hell counterparts to the soldiers, just like the Unwilling is for civilian Possessed.
elder meadow
Is it normal that when i got doom 2016 for the first time i managed to beat the ...
very normal
campaign isnt that long really
elder meadow
I did ignore secrets and stuff im gonna start collecting them after i finish with doom eternal
hollow fiber
i have
still spire
how is it
hollow fiber
not worth it!
still spire
i completed it on ultra hard,it was pretty fun (and really easy for some reason)
still spire
Infernal. U put ur life on a shelf for it! đđđ
haha that sounds fun
glass bough
i completed it on ultra hard,it was pretty fun (and really easy for some reason)
Well, i will try. If I broke my controller and my tv, i'll tell you later. đ
still spire
Well, i will try. If I broke my controller and my tv, i'll tell you later. đ
lmk how much inch tv youâll get and the colour of ur controller
glass bough
lmk how much inch tv youâll get and the colour of ur controller
32'' for the tv and my controller is black. Lucky for me, i have an another controller! đđ
still spire
32'' for the tv and my controller is black. Lucky for me, i have an another cont...
a man of taste and wisdom i see! đ
cold root
not worth it!
it definitely isnât compared to Eternal
in Eternal, you at least get the gold Slayer skin
but in 2016, there isnât even a special win screen for beating it on ultra-nightmare
halcyon bear
how is it
It's not bad after foundry. Once you're past that you're gold. Your movement needs to be on point no game journalism movement here
elder meadow
It's not bad after foundry. Once you're past that you're gold. Your movement nee...
standing and shooting and taking damage for each enemy
i can detect game journalist gameplay from a mile away
halcyon bear
That was actually hilarious I still watch that video still time to time for a laugh hahaha
elder meadow
lol
halcyon bear
elder meadow
my grandpa can play better
halcyon bear
These people get payed. So strange
elder meadow
bruv
still spire
It's not bad after foundry. Once you're past that you're gold. Your movement nee...
foundry?
elder meadow
I mean with right mods and quick switching can't deny the game really is ez
can still fuck up un because of imps or void
halcyon bear
Usually people who say that 1. Play on uv or hurt me 2. Still call things easy even though they constantly die
elder meadow
đą
i never played on uv fun fact because im a masochist
still ive made it as far as titan's realm in un
after that i just gave up
will do it again after some time
tepid jolt
My bar for easy is âIâm not getting stuckâ. I define getting through a mission without dying as âthe game isnât giving you enough challenge and you need to turn up the difficultyâ
That being said 2016 is decently challenging on Nightmare. IDK how much the broken runes change that as I refuse to use them
elder meadow
barely making it out of an arena will also feel like you've completed a big challenge
halcyon bear
If I'm dying more than 4 times when it isn't bs I definitely don't call something easy. That's usually my definition
Dying feels bad and you should feel bad lol
elder meadow
thats what un is
instead of "Your torment has ended." it should've been "haha skill issue l bozo git gud"
halcyon bear
I at least respect a game if it's mercing my old ass a few times
tepid jolt
Dying is just a normal part of the game. Why should you feel bad for not always getting it right first try?
halcyon bear
You should feel bad saying a game is easy yet its shitting on you
elder meadow
the game is easy, it's you who can fuck up
tepid jolt
Bear in mind that outside of UN, you arenât penalized for dying in any way whatsoever. Youâre expected to die every so often
halcyon bear
Your confidence is penalized
tepid jolt
Dying every now and then just means the game is putting up a noticeable level of resistance.
As it should
elder meadow
you mean ultra nightmare is the only game mode i play if i am saying that the game is easy?
halcyon bear
No? I have a friend here that finds the game easy does un nightmare no deaths often. If you have 2k hours in like me it should be at that point. I still very much enjoy it though and you can still fuck up so challenges do occur on runs. I can say from experience no 1 run has been the same as the other
elder meadow
im sorry i have less than 100 hours
tepid jolt
If youâre beating UN consistently, Iâd take that as a sign that you need a difficulty that pushes things further, like playing without runes or no masteries or a mod that locks you at 1HP or something
halcyon bear
Is there a 1hp mod? I think ive seen it for eternal
tepid jolt
IDK Iâm on console.
halcyon bear
A mod that lowers enemy hp also. 1 hp is to low though. Some sort of jank would get you
noble seal
Dying is just a normal part of the game. Why should you feel bad for not always ...
I don't think that dying many times on different levels/arenas feels bad, but dying over and over in the same arena does
at least for me
i got good at 2016 and now i started playing eternal on nightmare and i felt really dumb for dying like 6 times in the arena with arachnotrons revenants and hell knights in the second level
tepid jolt
Yeah getting stuck is frustrating
still lily
Hell Razers are basically Hell counterparts to the soldiers, just like the Unwil...
ok is it just me. or do hell razers like. do nothing. like i dont even remember getting hit by one at all. what is their role? Area denial? Sniper? like idk. the only way i was able to make them dangerous is by doubling their speed
also increased accuracy i think i could do that aswell
elder meadow
ok is it just me. or do hell razers like. do nothing. like i dont even remember ...
poor hitscanners
green shale
how can i get a piece of robotic armor?
elder meadow
you mean want to look like samuel hayden?
tepid jolt
Hell Razers are supposed to be hitscanners. In theory. Theyâre really bad at it though
Iâd describe them as âtheyâre a really good idea for how to make hitscanners work in this game, but they needed a bit more tuning to get rightâ
green shale
you mean want to look like samuel hayden?
Steams achievements
elder meadow
i forgot what that achievement is maybe look what it tells you to do
elder meadow
oh you need to play multiplayer until you get that robot armor skin i guess
ive give up on multiplayer achievements
green shale
đ
elder meadow
literally takes like 30 to 40 minutes for a match like bruv
wraith tangle
ok is it just me. or do hell razers like. do nothing. like i dont even remember ...
they do quite a bit of damage but really won't hit you unless you're not moving. I think the idea is to enforce movement even at range
untold stirrup
why wouldn't you move tho
Polygon playtesters sweating in the background
snow heron
so they're just useless
Theyâd only pose a threat to either really new players. I guess theyâd be kind of dangerous if they where in a really hectic and packed arena but they barely are used effectively after like Foundry
And there used pretty poorly in Foundry anyway
elder meadow
ok is it just me. or do hell razers like. do nothing. like i dont even remember ...
Be cool
still lily
true
tepid jolt
Theyâre there to limit how much you have to deal with due to the spawn limit
elder meadow
i feel bad for hell razers
halcyon bear
Ya.. having your brain taken over can't be fun
tepid jolt
I feel bad for them in how I think the last time I got hit by oneâs beam was a few playthroughs ago
Iâve literally died more to possessed and unwilling
still lily
literally never have seen anyone die to a razer. and getting hit is almost juat as rare
like idk. theyre cool but. yeah.
tepid jolt
I think I know a way to make them a meaningful threat, but itâs not really conducive to modern Doom design. Itâs have fights in narrow hallways
halcyon bear
still lily
yeah nah. i think what they need to do is hold thier lazer more. and serve as area denial
still lily
like intentionally aim infront of you and try to block off your movement. sure you could just jump over. but it Still poses a threat
tepid jolt
Yeah that way it would at least do something.
still lily
like the only way ive found is just have mulitple
but i like actually having to maneuver around them
tepid jolt
Yeah theyâre cool when they work. The ai in the normal game is almost broken
still lily
i saw attack decls using snaphak. maybe i could turn off some of the more useless attacks. like fuck that sweeping one and whatever else isnt just the denial lazer. ill try to make them dangerous
halcyon bear
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/182138606335426560/1087689547564994580/...
Very cool!
tepid jolt
That level seems really neat.
still lily
its a goofy map
tepid jolt
Is the low lighting for horror or for a different reason?
still lily
theres multiple areas
tepid jolt
Okay so thatâs just that part
tepid jolt
Thatâs really neat
still lily
no where near finished. ive been lazy
tepid jolt
I want to do a bunch of Doom 1 style maps where the whole map plays almost like a dungeon crawl as you hunt for secrets, evade traps and deal with ambushes
still lily
i wanna add a pepperoni toss like ultrakill lol where you toss a shootable roni into the air and it causes aoe damage if you hit it lol.
ah this is just some random map to throw in as many random mechanics as possible
tepid jolt
Oh okay
still lily
i love tech
echo plaza
ong
echo plaza
mooD 6102
tepid jolt
My idea of tight corridor combat to make razers work was basically born from the thought process of âthe ai is weak, so how can I level design around the problem?â I wouldnât even think of trying to fix the ai
still lily
yeah im just trying to fix how they work. id hate to restrict level design
tepid jolt
What the Doom mod Sigil taught me is that minor encounters become really scary if you deny the player room to maneuver. I definitely wouldnât want a whole campaign of that though
still lily
i try to encourage movement. the entire map you should basically be in the air as much as possible
since you can theoretically have infinite air time
cuz picking up certain ronis regens ur double jump
tepid jolt
Thatâs neat. Very Ultrakill all around. Iâm a big fan of pushing the limits of the vanilla mechanics so asking players to master moving in tight spaces is one way to do that. Another would be having a whole arena fight happen in an area where all but a few spots are toxic sludge or something.
snow heron
What the Doom mod Sigil taught me is that minor encounters become really scary i...
That is one of the best aspects of Sigil. Itâs dark and cramped. Makes fights more engaging
tepid jolt
Yup. Also some really smart texture usage and the tech wizardry to make levels have completely separate normal and deathmatch
green shale
hey
slim hull
As much as I love Eternal, there's something about fighting the Doom 2016 Barons of Hell that gives so much pleasure to me. It's a similar feeling to fighting them in the original Doom
I like how they force you to be really intentional with your movement as they throw a long stream of fireballs at you, some of which are predictive shots that hit you if you don't juke them.
tepid jolt
Yeah. For my part I love that 2016 has more of a traditional ammo economy going on, especially without certain runes to break it.
slim hull
The Barons in Eternal, meanwhile, only ever throw fireballs very occasionally if you're far away from them. Otherwise, they basically behave like juiced up Hell Knights. Still fun in their own way, but I miss some of that dance
(Although I guess similar dynamics exist with the Doom Hunter's cannon attacks)
tepid jolt
Yeah I had trouble pinning down why these barons are more fun than the Eternal ones
slim hull
I just wished we had both the original and fireborne Barons, just as different variations, y'know? I mean, the DLCs eventually added another variation, the Cyber-Barons, so it just makes sense.
tepid jolt
With barons no longer being the only massive tanks, it made sense to change their functionality, but Iâd agree they maybe overdid it
slim hull
I mean, in the codex, the Fireborne Barons are very specifically an offshoot of the regular Barons, so it's kinda strange that the regular ones just stop appearing altogether
Like I said, I don't dislike the design of the Fireborne Barons. They're definitely fun in their own way, being a rushdown superheavyweight that doesn't just immediately die like the Hell Knights... But, yeah, the Baron's dance in 2016 was probably the highlight of that game's combat for me
tepid jolt
Yeah. In general I like the feel of 2016âs dance more, in large part because it makes mistakes a little harder to come back from (especially ammo mismanagement) and it works because youâre not fighting quite so fast
slim hull
Well, I mean, I still personally prefer Eternal overall. It has its own little frustrations ||(like how quickswapping combos gets really heavily emphasized in the DLC when it feels about as awkward as it does in the original BioShockânot bad, but the other BioShock games clearly had better solutions for combo-focused combat)|| but between the intensity, the combat variety, and some of the power fantasy you get to experience, it really touches a feeling of intensity and 'zone' that very few other shooters can
... But if Eternal is an 11, 2016 is absolutely still a 10
I can't imagine Eternal even being playable for those who haven't experienced 2016. It's definitely satisfying enough. Really feels like a perfect revival of that Quake-styled experience
tepid jolt
Yeah Eternal is still very good
slim hull
Whereas Eternal, I almost want to consider it within its own subgenre, where it's just way more complicated than your typical Boomer Shooterâalongside Ultrakill
Something that is maybe a little difficult to enjoy if you just want to strafe and shoot and not have to develop so many other mechanics simultaneously
tepid jolt
Was in the process of typing an Ultrakill recommendation
slim hull
Like, those games are seemingly imitating the experience of multiplayer arena shooters in a singleplayer environment, while something like 2016 feels more like a 'singleplayer arena shooter', if that makes sense.
tepid jolt
My favorite part of Doom is the emphasis on playing fast while also needing to be tactical and cautious, and Eternalâs extreme speed kinda forced Id to make the tactical stuff way more forgiving
slim hull
Like, Quake campaign vs Quake online
tepid jolt
Yeah, itâs a single player arena shooter
slim hull
Most of the tactics in Eternal is based around economy, 'which resources can I afford to use to take down which demons in which order as to minimize my health loss?' While keeping your positioning and the types of threats the demons pose in mindâsometimes a path will be blocked by a Cyber Mancubus, after all.
So, I'm not sure about that 'tactics' thing, per se. I feel like it's about the same as 2016, fundamentally
Just with more options and tighter resources
tepid jolt
I know. Iâm referring to stuff like how you can always chainsaw for more ammo so you can get away with a lot more mistakes
2016 gives you a lot more ammo, but once itâs gone itâs really gone
slim hull
Well, I mean, I only ever recalled needing to use the Chainsaw, like, three times, from what I remember of my playthroughâbut I think how you used the chainsaw in 2016 was based more on your own playstyle.
Since I generally liked using all of the weapons, but I can see that there are players who specialize in a smaller pool of the weapons who might use it more.
And, of course, the character upgrades players choose might have entirely different experiences, since those who invest in health will have much less ammo, there's a larger difference
tepid jolt
BTW I really recommend Viscerafest. Itâs another indie arena shooter but feels like somewhere between Eternal and Blood.
slim hull
Never heard of it
tepid jolt
Itâs more obscure but I like it a lot
slim hull
I definitely want to make my own shooters, eventually. I'm practicing it, and I've been looking at FPS design for years and years now.
tepid jolt
Yeah same.
slim hull
Simple ones, complicated ones, whatever
Definitely been thinking about the idea of one that emphasizes more of Doom's stagger system, for those who aren't as interested in the blinding pace of the likes of Ultrakill or Eternal... Like, a game that focuses less on gunning down hordes with a chaingun like the original Doom games, and moreso tense 'duels'
Like Eternal's Marauder fights
... not that I don't like mobility. I mean, I'd love to make mobility-centric shooters as well, like bullet hell ones, but Ultrakill definitely has the market covered in 'what if we gave the player ALL of the movement mechanics?'
tepid jolt
Viscerafest weapons are really neat. No variation stuff, but thereâs mechanics like how the SSG has something ridiculous like 8 barrels and you can recall the pellets in midair to have them hit the target twice, or how thereâs a flamethrower that is decently powerful and feels amazing to use
slim hull
Or Mothergunship as well, for that matter
Oh, okay, looking at screenshots, I have seen Viscerafest before, I just forgot its name
I just want more cowboy shooters, or sword & gun type Bloodborne stuff, y'know?
Real high-commitment combat
But also interactive. Definitely what helps give Doom its sauce, the way the fights feel interactive and not just purely vaporizing hitscanners
(I love that about Prey as well)
tepid jolt
Yeah Doom does a lot to make combat dynamic and exciting.
elder meadow
As much as I love Eternal, there's something about fighting the Doom 2016 Barons...
i also really like how kadingir introduces them
infighting with fodder
tepid jolt
Yeah I like to just let them fight those guys uninterrupted so itâs just that baron at less than full health
tepid jolt
Yup
slim hull
Nice that the game really lets you appreciate fighting them. Once they've close the distance, they tend to require you pay at least some attention to them
I don't remember exactly, but was it the two-handed fireballs that fire predictively while the one-handed ones fired directly?
slim hull
For a while, I've gaslight myself into misremembering the Barons to have shot out multiple projectiles when they did their slams, when it is instead a green AOE attack.
But, yeah, that's really cool. And, like I said, nothing quite like that in Eternalâa demon that mixes up two styles of an otherwise similar attack, I mean
Each projectile generally follows the same behavior no matter what. Like I said, the closest equivalent I can think of is the Doom Hunters firing thrice with their arm cannon, which are all predictive shots that are fun to dodge
It is kinda interesting to see how the Baron's animations have been divided up in Eternal. The Baron no longer does the two-handed fireballs, but he'll sling one-handed fireballs while running if you remain too far away for him to start slinging his various melee attacks... Definitely not at the same rate that he used to, though
... Instead, the two-handed animation is a signature attack of the Dread Knights, who are also very fun enemies to fight
They're slightly less aggressive than the Hell Knights, and instead they'll hold the two-handed pose to charge and fire a really speedy projectile at you, which is generally predictive... But it tends to just barely graze you if you're not just moving slowly in a straight line.
Honestly, no wonder Hugo Martin loves the Hell Knights. Animation-wise, their whole family is just so satisfying to fight. The way they're animated, smoothly going into slam attacks, making big swings at you, and how dynamic they look regardless of what angle you've positioned around them...
None of them are all that difficult because of how much they telegraph their melee attacks, of course, but it feels intense while also being really fair. And they encourage you to dance and strafe in expressive ways
The Barons are my first favorite enemy in 2016, but the Hell Knights are definitely second.
... Also, is it weird that the Hell Guards are my favorite boss fight in 2016?
Not that I don't like Eternal's bosses, but I think I'd rate the Hell Guards as the best in the series
They're very straightforward, but they've got a large variety of attacks, many of which are pretty fun to maneuver around. The contrast between the slow whiff-punishing first phase and the relentless second phase is fun, both phases are fun in their own ways while naturally being reflective of one another
... They don't have any one really annoying or frustrating attack
The Cyberdemon was kinda cool, too, but his attacks just come out way too damn slow for him to pose any threat before you just murder him.
The Hell Guards really got around that by having the first one be protected, so you're kinda forced to go at its pace and pay attention to how its attacks work while you wait for your moment to whiff punish... And then the second phase has the two of synchronizing their attacks with each other's gaps and you're given the freedom to fight them however you wantâor whenever you are able. It's just a perfect fight.
I know some people like the Gladiator in Eternal, but I dunno, he's got some timing-based attacks that just feel really annoying to adapt toâgotta dash out of the way at just the right time, and you're going to get hit a few times or miss a few counters while you try to adjust... Unlike the Marauder, who you fight enough times to get a feel for him, and he's still easy to dash out of the way from if you don't get the counter yet.
With the Hell Guards, what you see is what you get, it all comes naturally, and it's just damn fun.
No gimmicks either.
Oh, yeah, and the Cyberdemon spends WAY too damn long in its staggered states for a bossâon top of generally having difficulty turning around. Does anybody even remember what it even does in its first phase?
I am glad that Eternal ported a lot of his behavior over into a cool enemy, though.. Although I would have much rather they kept those horizontal sword strikes the CB had, instead of those godforsaken ground-waves. I hate the groundwave attacks in Eternal and the way they lock your movement. Any other shooter would have just applied a little bit of opposing momentum that you could maybe improvise with
The lock-on laser attack is fun, though
thorny field
Hey anyone plays the doom multiplayer nowadays?
elder meadow
yes but not at the same time
cold root
Well, I mean, I only ever recalled needing to use the Chainsaw, like, three time...
same honestly. the chainsaw in 2016 is more of a instant kill button than a necessary feature
I often forget I even have it
thorny field
yes but not at the same time
I'm trying to get the platinum but the multiplayer trophies are a problem
cold root
2016 doesn't seem to throw the same amount of enemies Eternal does
elder meadow
maybe for doom 2016 multi
cold root
Eternal throws a lot of strong demons at once, while in 2016 it feels like it's mostly fodder with the occasional strong demons
cold root
I'm trying to get the platinum but the multiplayer trophies are a problem
last time I tried to get the multiplayer achievements they didn't unlock for some reason
perhaps private matches don't count
cold root
Samuel really went from a normal cyborg in this game to just a torso in Eternal
some brutal shit sure happened to him
and there isn't any explanation on how he got damaged this bad either
in fact, practically nothing in regards to what happened between 2016 and Eternal is explained
proper ermine
and there isn't any explanation on how he got damaged this bad either
we could kinda assume some war happened(it does seem to be talked about in the codex) and samuel got bodied by demons
cold root
perhaps
still lily
Yeah Eternal is still very good
L
slim pebble
we could kinda assume some war happened(it does seem to be talked about in the c...
Yeah there was a war against the demons
elder meadow
and there isn't any explanation on how he got damaged this bad either
Demons
elder meadow
L
There's a collectible in the Argentina facility that I can't get to
The He'll Knight model
It's in the rafters and ur supposed to climb 2 boxes to get there but I can't find the second box it's not where it's supposed to be
Nvm found it
argentina facility lmfaoaoaooaaooa
halcyon bear
The feared he ll knight
cold root
mobile moment
noble seal
argentina facility lmfaoaoaooaaooa
hello i am leo messi and i am the head of this facility
elder meadow
hahahah
cold root
it would have been really cool seeing Hell Razers with Eternal's destructible demons system
I imagine their insides being magma like Barons and Arch-Viles
halcyon bear
Or at least see the worm parasite inside
slim pebble
I kinda wanna see what it looks like when someone turns into a Possessed
still lily
you don wanna know
sand siren
you don wanna know
i do wanna know
atomic horizon
There's a collectible in the Argentina facility that I can't get to
Epic autocorrect
sand siren
There's a collectible in the Argentina facility that I can't get to
where is it specifically
glossy niche
can't believe 2016's mp is dead
slim pebble
I'm still working on my SnapMap campaign Malum
green shale
can't believe 2016's mp is dead
âŠ
cold root
can't believe 2016's mp is dead
multiplayer modes of pretty much evey single-player game is dead, mate
which means no easy achievements for completionists
cold root
the Spider Mastermind sure is a threat as it should be compared to Classic
Classic Spider Mastermind is a hitscanner that can be easily killed/exploited, while 2016 Mastermind is strong and has a wide variety of attacks
such a nice upgrade. it went from being a joke of a hitscanner to an actually challenging and enjoyable boss
still lily
I'm still working on my SnapMap campaign Malum
Do you know about snaphak?
could enhance ur map alot
cedar niche
wait so i just found the second drone, am i supposed to just get burst or what? its my first time playing
cold root
get any you want
elder meadow
wait so i just found the second drone, am i supposed to just get burst or what? ...
save it
cedar niche
i can do that?
elder meadow
you can come back to it later when you have other weapons
cedar niche
ah alright
elder meadow
charged burst is the most meh mod
cedar niche
yeah i heard as much
which is why i asked in the server before taking it
also got told to play on ultra violence so doing that
elder meadow
nice
cedar niche
I swear last time i tried the game (only got like a level in) i played on hurt me plenty and struggled a lot more than now
elder meadow
yea happens
cedar niche
tbf im not too experienced with shooters
but doom has everything I should love so want to try and get myself to enjoy it and get better at it
so far so good tho
elder meadow
you've got the best game in the series ||imo||
elder meadow
so far so good tho
it only gets better
cedar niche
I mean I bought both 2016 and eternal
elder meadow
oh absollute fire then
cedar niche
also when lookign at what difficulty to go i did see a lot of "if you're now to shooters you could go hurt me plenty and struggle a bit early, but you'll start to find it easy around mid game, meanwhile ultra violence stays fair but challenging throughout"
so i am willing to take an even tougher early game just for the sake of keeping difficulty the whole time through
elder meadow
yea most people play on ultra violence anyway
cedar niche
oh just found the rifle, guess I can head back up to the upgrade drone?
elder meadow
yess
polar pasture
I just started the game does anyone have any tips?
elder meadow
rip and tear
polar pasture
I need to get the online trophies for this game but I can't get enough players for a game
Is anyone on
I'm on ps btw idk if it matters
elder meadow
I'm on ps btw idk if it matters
crossplaying is not in doom 2016 so you cant connect to someone on pc sadly
polar pasture
Ok
elder meadow
and the multiplayer is very not active
polar pasture
I noticed
elder meadow
so really not worth wasting time on multi achievements
polar pasture
I have one other person in the lobby and it's been ages
cold root
man really spammed the names of each channel
solar sky
elder meadow
not long at all if you have any prior experience to fps or if youre playing on low difficulty
about 8 hours at the very max
cold root
it depends on if you are also trying to get every secret and collectible
halcyon bear
I'd say 8 or more depending on if you're a completionist
untold stirrup
charged burst is the most meh mod
good to quickswitch with when maxed but otherwise yeah it's alright
elder meadow
it has good damage but still explosive shot >>>>
light turtle
Anyone wanna play online multiplayer on Xbox? I am dying for some actual games
elder meadow
i dont have an xbox sorry
light turtle
Itâs alright
elder meadow
but same i really want some multi
light turtle
Tell me âbout it
elder meadow
if only there was crossplay
light turtle
Seriously
still lily
if only there was crossplay
for real
itd still be alive for sure
at least able to find a fuggin match quick
elder meadow
ye man
I dont understand why they didnt add crossplay?
i fucking want to play on those beautiful looking maps that are 10000% better than the campaign levels
Most developers donât probably didnât feel like it was worth the effort
No one played these games for the mp
eeee i dont think it would be that hard to add a crossplay
winter stream
Most developers donât probably didnât feel like it was worth the effort
If they didn't, there wouldn't have been an mp at all.
elder meadow
Mp was an afterthought here
cedar niche
just fought my first hell knight. god these guys are tanky
light turtle
Just wait till you encounter barons of hell
But itâs always nice to see someone early in the game
And remember to swap to weapons depending on what demons are near
cedar niche
also just asking before im screwing myself over
am i supposed to clear the demons around a gorenest and then destroy it and kill the demons that spawn from doing so? or keep immediately destroying it like ive been doing it
cedar niche
And remember to swap to weapons depending on what demons are near
tbf so far i basically just use either or depending on distance and ammo atm
elder meadow
am i supposed to clear the demons around a gorenest and then destroy it and kill...
there will be a lot of demons at once if you destroy the gorenest immediately
elder meadow
just fought my first hell knight. god these guys are tanky
plasma rifle with heat blast is really effective on them
cedar niche
I thought because of its name that if i didnt destroy it immediately it would just poop out new demons so oops mb
cedar niche
plasma rifle with heat blast is really effective on them
ill keep it in mind for when i get it
elder meadow
good luck slayer
cedar niche
Game pretty fun so far. ive died a bunch of times but still
elder meadow
absolutely
cedar niche
I'm just scared for the bosses lmao
light turtle
Not too bad
light turtle
(Cough) (cough) imps (cough)
cedar niche
Honestly most of the times ive died. unironically, is just me blowing myself up with the explosive shot from the shotgun lmao
elder meadow
lol get the environmental resistance upgrade
cedar niche
had to server boost so i can use my emotes. im not saying lmao any longer than i need to
light turtle
Honestly most of the times ive died. unironically, is just me blowing myself up ...
They should have a baby gate in the area where you unlock the rocket launcher if thatâs the case
cedar niche
lol get the environmental resistance upgrade
I did, i just need to be a bit more careful
elder meadow
nice
cedar niche
Also what am I supposed to do for the shield guys? like ive killed them already but i dont understand what the intended way to deal with them is
light turtle
Grenade them
cedar niche
ah
elder meadow
plasma or frag grenade
let me tell you heat blast is the best mod for the first few levels
light turtle
And get the upgrade for the super shotgun when you get it, itâs worth it
elder meadow
double trouble
cedar niche
atm i only have the rifle and combat shotty. i am only at lvl 4 tho so
elder meadow
ah i see you didnt grab the secret plasma rifle in lvl 2
cedar niche
I wouldn't even know it was a thing lmao
light turtle
Thereâs also a secret super shotgun
elder meadow
you should look around for secrets they really help a lot
cedar niche
I guess I could redo the first 3 levels to look around for stuff idm
elder meadow
ye
cedar niche
that is if i keep playing. been strugglign with sticking to games lately. ill try ofc but yeah
elder meadow
you dont really need to as you get those weapons as non secret in the later levels anyway
its just an up on you if you get them early
cedar niche
I might as well. any help is nice. and dont I get challenges for finding secrets anyways
elder meadow
yep
cedar niche
I deffo need to play this game in short bursts tho lmao
elder meadow
ya can get stressful
cedar niche
The OST is a jammer tho. though i knew that for years already. its just my old pc couldnt run the games so i never played them
elder meadow
same tbh only got to enjoy 2016 and eternal since 2022
cedar niche
yeah i had a goddamn toaster before
halcyon bear
My first experience was ps4 lol
tepid jolt
I had a cursed thought of imps yelling âKame⊠hame⊠HAA!â When doing their charged fireball
halcyon bear
I had a cursed thought of imps yelling âKame⊠hame⊠HAA!â When doing their charg...
You're not alone
elder meadow
another coincidental referrence in 2016 lel
cold root
what is the best way for quickly dealing with Possessed Security in your opinion?
still lily
grenade, plasma rifle, shotgun grenade, rockets
elder meadow
what is the best way for quickly dealing with Possessed Security in your opinion...
the guys who shoot red balls?
cold root
the ones with shields and hitscan
cold root
lol
elder meadow
what is the best way for quickly dealing with Possessed Security in your opinion...
beat their ass up
cold root
those guys were really troublesome when I fought them for the first time
first time I played 2016, I played it on ultra-violence
it was a good challenge
meanwhile Eternal kicked my ass when I played it for the first time on hurt me plenty
elder meadow
the games have simply a difference in required skill
cold root
millions of dead Imps
elder meadow
well yes
cold root
The thing I mentioned also happens with the Hell Razerâs glowing parts too
âlights out, somebody diesâ indeed
elder meadow
lolol
cold root
speaking of the Hell Razer, it sounds like heâs saying things during combat
elder meadow
oh shi vega fuck you
alpine mortarBOT
Hi, @elder meadow.
elder meadow
no
elder meadow
seen that lol
cold root
âGet some Slayer!â
cold root
2016 sure has quite a bit of different ways to die
and itâs not just enemies glory killing the player
cold root
getting electrocuted and gibbed, being set on fire after falling into a pool of lava, getting beheaded by the Cyberdemonâs blade, being cut in half by the Summonerâs ranged attack and a hole left in your torso after being hit by the Hell Razerâs beam
the being set on fire after standing on a pool of lava one is my favourite
elder meadow
it is so brutal when you die its like original doom
only without death sound
doom 3 does that
cold root
âThe torment has endedâ has to be one of the most rage-inducing game over lines ever
elder meadow
do you know whats more raging inducing
not being able to skip novik's fuckinf speech
void venture
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2pgth4gOoDg&t=174s&pp=ygURZG9vbSBkZWF0aCBzY2VuZXM%...
I would like to find videos with all kinds glory kills. But I never found it.
void venture
at least itâs short and you can skip the cutscene when it ends
I remembered Hayden's monologue in the second mission 
elder meadow
i feel like i should apologize FOR THIS LONG ASS DIALOGUE
elder meadow
I seriously wonder why the developers thought that would be a good idea
The game literally makes fun of drawn out monologues in the first level
And then they have you sit through a boring drawn out monologue in a fast paced shooter
seriously annoying worst cutscene in doom 0/10
not even cutscene lol its a dialogue
void venture
But at the same time, you can run through the first level in a minute, and half of the second level.
light turtle
Any of you who have doom 2016 for x box wanna play?
wraith tangle
when I first got to that section, my sound was low. I thought I got softlocked
light turtle
Whenever I play doom 2016 multiplayer on x box, If I ever get into a match I always meet the same people over and over again
Itâs kinda cool
But I also wish I could actually find games quickly
elder meadow
Whenever I play doom 2016 multiplayer on x box, If I ever get into a match I alw...
lmao ikr
light turtle
Itâs like waving at your neighbor
light turtle
But you also see their weaknesses if you play with them enough
elder meadow
playstation and switch some else
elder meadow
But you also see their weaknesses if you play with them enough
rightt
light turtle
Like I know who plays spectre and harvester
And I spent all my time in multiplayer not trying to level up quickly, but finding every way to kill an enemy demon effectively
elder meadow
isnt there achievements for levelling up?
elder meadow
the prowler dies with one charged vortex shot i know that
light turtle
I am a prowler main, and I go crazy as prowler
elder meadow
i hate people who use that rifle cuz playing against them as prowler is absolute nightmare
light turtle
Remember to use your ability to see through walls as much as you can when prowler
elder meadow
but cant they see you as well?
light turtle
No, they need to have the demon tracker equipped
And remember to kill stragglers when playing as prowler
elder meadow
oh i see
elder meadow
And remember to kill stragglers when playing as prowler
i really like how you can quickly fly through the room
elder meadow
hah yes
light turtle
Jesus I just wish I could find a goddamn game
elder meadow
ah
halcyon bear
Try at like 1 am.. that's when I lucked out lol
fossil basin
Is Doom 2016 Ultra Nightmare hard? It looks like it's difficult for the first few levels, but after you get the bfg and you get the ammo rune, it seems the game becomes a cakewalk except for the parkour
Having infinite ammo above 100 armor just seems a bit broken and the chance for bfg ammo to drop is insane
I'd do it but the only real thing I'm scared of in a UN run is the duo boss and parkour
There's also no real punishment for spamming super shotgun and gauss cannon
it sounds easy
it probably isn't though but still do-able
wraith tangle
Is Doom 2016 Ultra Nightmare hard? It looks like it's difficult for the first fe...
it's doable but it's not automatic. Once you get bfg, it is much easier though. The beginning levels, particularly level 1 and level 2 are rather hard
elder meadow
i actually think argent facility (level 4) is a run ender
there are tough gore nest fights except for the last one and you have many hell knights and soldiers ready to kick your ass
of course a lot of imps
fossil basin
Imps are probably the most common run killer
They jump around and run away while throwing heavy damage fireballs constantly which will melt doomguy until he gets tanky enough
First 5 levels are probably the hardest
After that it slowly gets easier
elder meadow
argent tower isnt that bad cuz you have 150 health at that point if you decide to spend all cells on health
fossil basin
that's when mancubus are introduced right?
elder meadow
yep
fossil basin
Or mancubi
elder meadow
haha i never say the plural
wraith tangle
mencubus
elder meadow
based
fossil basin
Pretty sure there's quad powerups in the same room mancubus are introduced so it's not that bad
elder meadow
there are 2 quads in the level lol
fossil basin
But if I'm remembering correctly mancubus are tough until you get the turret for the chaingun
elder meadow
i barely ever use the turret
the rocket launcher gauss canon and ssg take good care of mancubi
fossil basin
Yeah mancubus take way more damage if you hit their heads iirc and the triple chaingun to the face has higher DPS than the lock on rockets
Melts mancubus
elder meadow
lock on rockets are absolute weak
elder meadow
they have lower damage than a single rocket
fossil basin
oh ha lmao
elder meadow
still good for summoners and hell knights
fossil basin
Is the Remote detonation even good I've never used it
elder meadow
it has big splash damage and also has a poison effect its actually good
fossil basin
A poison effect??
elder meadow
and you can control where you want to make ir go boom
elder meadow
A poison effect??
when fully upgraded the explosion causes the enemies the splash damage but also depletes their health like poison
i dont remember what its called but yea it works like that
elder meadow
also the heat blast is very underrated for first few levels
fossil basin
It's gonna be hard but I'll definitely be able to do it
fossil basin
stun bombs are gonna be so nice lmao
fossil basin
also the heat blast is very underrated for first few levels
Thats for the plasma rifle right?
elder meadow
yep
elder meadow
stun bombs are gonna be so nice lmao
you should really try heat blast and upgrade it asap
it charges automatically and clears all fodder on your screen
fossil basin
you should really try heat blast and upgrade it asap
it charges automatically an...
wait did you just say "automatically"?????
I've actually been sleeping on these upgrades
fossil basin
Usually Ive stuck to the same ones for all my playthroughs
elder meadow
thats the beauty of the game you can play it in many ways
fossil basin
Bombs for shotgun
Micro missiles for heavy cannon
Stun bombs for plasma
Lock on for rocket launcher
Turret mode for chaingun
Siege mode for gauss cannon
elder meadow
definitely should try making challenges out of it or trying new things
fossil basin
Max upgraded pistol
elder meadow
Bombs for shotgun
Micro missiles for heavy cannon
Stun bombs for plasma
Lock on ...
im still sleeping on tactical scope lol
fossil basin
If it was just a sniper shot like in eternal I'd use it way more
I'm good at the quickscopes in eternal
But the tactical scope in 2016 is just a worse aim thing
elder meadow
If it was just a sniper shot like in eternal I'd use it way more
ikr
fossil basin
You have to zoom in way more and shoot regularly
elder meadow
yea
fossil basin
You don't need it at all for long distance anyway
elder meadow
I'm good at the quickscopes in eternal
quickscoping funnily enough is much easier than just aiming
fossil basin
Yep
elder meadow
the precision bolt is also good for the canon
two headshots for a cybermancubus i think
its not as powerful or broken as siege mode but definitely has high damage output
fossil basin
Cybermancubus are just ice bomb blood punch and ssg or ballista
elder meadow
yea thats for eternal
fossil basin
but I didn't know that you could 2 hit them with precision bolt
Siege mode is just 1993 bfg
elder meadow
no i was talking about gauss canon's precision bolt
fossil basin
no i was talking about gauss canon's precision bolt
oh
elder meadow
yea forgettable mod i know
fossil basin
I didn't know it's other upgrade was precision bolt
elder meadow
haha
fossil basin
I only ever use siege
elder meadow
same mostly
fossil basin
Lmao
elder meadow
unlike eternal most mods in this game are good
fossil basin
Chaingun shield
what's the other mod for the chaingun in 2016
I only use turret lmao
elder meadow
what's the other mod for the chaingun in 2016
mobile turrent and gatling gator
actually yea gatling gator is useless
fossil basin
What does it even do
elder meadow
it decreases the time to get the chaingun to full speed and increase the rate of fire for the normal chaingun (not as fast as mobile turrent tho)
you can also pre charge it to full speed then when you want you can fire at full speed
but really it isnt that much better than even just using the chaingun normally
fringe crypt
just downloaded this game off game pass after playing a fair bit of eternal, felt like i should play them in order
halcyon bear
Noice
untold stirrup
Bombs for shotgun
Micro missiles for heavy cannon
Stun bombs for plasma
Lock on ...
I just have to say
Lock on is ass compared to remote det
With lock on it takes around 6 rockets to kill a hell knight
With maxed remote det it takes 1
slim pebble
SnapMap's persistent thing is so confusing. Why couldn't it have been as simple as yes or no?
winter stream
more flexible, but also it was just a quick solution that was added in an update
fossil basin
With lock on it takes around 6 rockets to kill a hell knight
Yeah I started with lock ons and never tried remote det, I just assumed it was good cause it shot 3 homing rockets rather than 1 rocket you have to manually detonate instead of homing in
halcyon bear
Micro is definitely for new players but remote is where it's at
elder meadow
it is better because it takes out pinkies
snow heron
thats slow
Not really. Stun Bomb is super good early game and even kinda useful late game
elder meadow
yes but i prefer using heat blast to get rid of all the fodder quickly for first few levels
stun bomb is almost necessary for late game
cold root
the siege mode for the gauss cannon is so op as hell
it deletes absolutely everything
combine it with the infinite ammo when having a certain amount of armor upgrade, the game becomes a cakewalk
tepid jolt
Yeah, those things are best not used.
cold root
yep
when I replay 2016, I would not use siege mode, rich get richer and keep my ammo low to give myself a challenge
fossil basin
the siege mode for the gauss cannon is so op as hell
It's just classic doom bfg
tepid jolt
Minus the plasma scarcity that makes the classic Doom BFG not broken.
elder meadow
also classic doom bfg doesnt kill every single thing in the room
cold root
the siege mode doesn't damage every enemy in the room, only the enemies it hits
speaking of the bfg
the weapon wheel trick involving it is amazing
fossil basin
It's very similar to classic bfg
cold root
yeah, like a weaker version
fossil basin
~~the weapon wheel trick involving it is amazing~~
I'm gonna do a UN 2016 run and I only actually plan to do this on that duo boss before the crucible
Other than that I'm not gonna abuse the bug except for that one fight
fossil basin
I dont need to anyways, cough cough rich get richer cough cough
elder meadow
the siege mode doesn't damage every enemy in the room, only the enemies it hits
was talking about 2016's bfg not canon
elder meadow
~~the weapon wheel trick involving it is amazing~~
fossil basin
Classic bfg doesn't hit everything in the room
It's just one massive hitscan
And an orb
cold root
fire, bring up the weapon wheel and see the boss' head drain lightning fast
fossil basin
Huge spread but doesn't hit anything behind
fossil basin
fire, bring up the weapon wheel and see the boss' head drain lightning fast
Yeah only gonna use that to cheese 1 boss
elder meadow
Huge spread but doesn't hit anything behind
balanced
cold root
was talking about 2016's bfg not canon
I was referring to the classic bfg
elder meadow
oh ok
fossil basin
I'm glad you can skip the intro in UN
cold root
here's a secret:
elder meadow
I'm glad you can skip the intro in UN
that imp room is hard bruh
cold root
I actually used that exploit the first time I played the game
fossil basin
I actually used that exploit the first time I played the game
đ
elder meadow
thats cheese
cold root
yeah, I regret it
fossil basin
I didn't know about it until halfway into my second playthrough, I shot bfg, went to switch to another weapon, and it just kept doing damage
fossil basin
first time i died to cyberdemon thrice
I accidentally cheesed him on my second playthrough
fossil basin
sometimes I wonder why enemies have these awesome powers and just don't use them correctly
elder meadow
2nd highest damage in the game after bfg
fossil basin
The cyberdemon can just make walls around you, so why doesn't he separate himself from the slayer, trap him in a little box, and just fire rockets in until he dies
It'd be so easy for cyber to win
elder meadow
game logic bruh
fossil basin
But he'd rather play jump rope with the slayer
elder meadow
both are my favorite
elder meadow
hell guards are actually harder tham both but still not too bad
cold root
I think the Hell Guards are fine
fossil basin
That's what they're called hell guards
elder meadow
they guard the crucible
fossil basin
Honestly phase 2 is easier cause they don't have shields
elder meadow
also fuck they missed the opportunity to make demonic crucible a sword for the slayer
cold root
the Spiderdemon glory kill is so awesome
fossil basin
It's epic
elder meadow
shoves bfg*
you caused me a lotta trouble mf
fossil basin
Also I didn't realize how small doomguy actually is until the end screen where he stands on the dead mastermind, she's massive
fossil basin
I mean during eternal if you read and kept up with the codex's or whatever he really isn't the bad guy
elder meadow
ik he is a bro like vega
fossil basin
vega
elder meadow
vega core
top 10 saddest anime moments
fossil basin
I'm glad we decided to save vega last minute
elder meadow
yes
cold root
https://tenor.com/view/fallout4-gif-25008415
starts up the crucible like itâs a lightsaber
elder meadow
*starts up the crucible like itâs a lightsaber*
the demonic and eternal crucible look very similar
fossil basin
oh right he's the god thign or whatever
elder meadow
oh right he's the god thign or whatever
"i poopoofarted for the good of humanity"
fossil basin
"i poopoofarted for the good of humanity"
I will shit your pants
elder meadow
samuel so goofy
fossil basin
also because we never returned to the doom tower in the sky or whatever did we really need to remake the crucible to finish off icon
Oh right
We needed it to power the ship
Cause Khan maykr lady a biotch
cedar niche
how out of the way are secrets? redoing the first 3 levels to find stuff I missed but just want to know how hard i need to look
elder meadow
some secrets are really easy to find while others are not obvious at all
look at every nook and cranny of the level
or you can just watch youtube
but thats no fun
harsh badger
is doom 2016 a fun game never played it before
fossil basin
I love how Samuels first words when he's powered back on in the ship, is just the hell priests location
fossil basin
is doom 2016 a fun game never played it before
Yes
cold root
is doom 2016 a fun game never played it before
it is
elder meadow
is doom 2016 a fun game never played it before
absolutely W game
harsh badger
cause i have all the other games besides 2016
fossil basin
You've been missing out
elder meadow
doom 2016 feel like triple a game
cedar niche
some secrets are really easy to find while others are not obvious at all
look at...
so the game isnt as fast paced as it originally wseems. seeing as you want to look around for stuff
fossil basin
Doom 2016 is awesome except 1 thing
cold root
I mean itâs optional
harsh badger
in the mean time i was trying to 100% doom eternal
elder meadow
so the game isnt as fast paced as it originally wseems. seeing as you want to lo...
the combat is, the secrets are under exploration and are optional
cedar niche
I know but i want to find stuff that can help me in the long run
fossil basin
Instant death from Falling absolutely sucks
elder meadow
I know but i want to find stuff that can help me in the long run
even if you miss the secret weapon you get it on the next level
fossil basin
I really want to do UN but I know my goofy ass gonna fall off those ledges during bfg division
cold root
the secret Classic Doom areas are amazing
elder meadow
Instant death from Falling absolutely sucks
i mean its a little more realistic than eternal cuz how can you come back from falling into the void
fossil basin
i mean its a little more realistic than eternal cuz how can you come back from f...
Quality of life
elder meadow
it is annoying yes
cold root
itâs kinda funny seeing the og 1993 sprites with the modern 2016 graphics at the same time
elder meadow
yes
fossil basin
I feel like I could definitely do UN, but it's just the duo boss, parkour and early game I fear
There's gonna be those UN death helmets everywhere around parkour sections
elder meadow
I feel like I could definitely do UN, but it's just the duo boss, parkour and ea...
argent tower parkour: so youve chosen death
honestly best level in the game
climbing the tower while fighting demons
and second best song bfg division
fossil basin
I'm gonna have to practice all the parkour sections on a regular nightmare save before I do UN
cedar niche
are the question marks on secrets in order?
cause i just got the first and third in the first level so not sure if i should head back or forward for the last one
elder meadow
did you get both the doomguy toys
cedar niche
ye
elder meadow
there is a very hidden lever that opens up a secret
cedar niche
why do i feel like it has to do with a door i saw
elder meadow
where did you see the door
cedar niche
lemme go back to it real quick
elder meadow
kk
cedar niche
oh wait i cant post pics in this chat
elder meadow
cedar niche
do i need to finish the level now or can i just quit out?
elder meadow
you can quit it saves it
cedar niche
ah well now i know, just finished the level normally
"elite guards" i assume are the red guys that give you the preator suit upgrade points?
elder meadow
no enemies dont give you suit upgrade points
although they give you weapon upgrade points from level 3 on
elder meadow
"elite guards" i assume are the red guys that give you the preator suit upgrade ...
oh wait
yes the dead guards give you suit upgrades
cedar niche
yeah those guys
cedar niche
oh nice 2 secrets for just opening 1 door
tepid jolt
Doom is sometimes nice like that
cedar niche
i see this room with items in it but no idea how to get to it. like its obvious I should be able to but idk
tepid jolt
What mission?
elder meadow
oh
tepid jolt
I think I know what youâre talking about and you can access it through air ducts later IIRC
cedar niche
ah
elder meadow
you need to get a yellow keycard
cedar niche
have that, its how i got the plasma rifle just a min ago
elder meadow
I think I know what youâre talking about and you can access it through air ducts...
yea this
cedar niche
guess ill just keep moving. just wasnt sure how far back id have to travel through vents or something
elder meadow
you know that elevator
cedar niche
I just assumed id probably have to realign the sattelite first
elder meadow
the place where you found your yellow keycard, on the right*
cedar niche
ye
elder meadow
I just assumed id probably have to realign the sattelite first
thats too far
elder meadow
fun game
cedar niche
god that one doomguy was a pain to figure out even tho the spot where you need to jump is marked with blood so i shouldve seen it sooner
cedar niche
I only figured out it was the secret i was missing cause it was white on the map
Figuring out how to reach it tho. Oof
elder meadow
lol yea
cedar niche
Fun to do tho. Im just sleepy so not playing more atm
elder meadow
very fun indeed
cold root
arcade mode seems quite fun, gonna try it out
man I just like how both nuDoom games are absolutely filled with content
even after you finish the campaigns, they still have tons of things to offer
boreal stirrup
plasma rifle in 2016 doesnât look that good tbh
it looks like a generic laser rifle and feels kinda weak
elder meadow
plasma rifle in 2016 doesnât look that good tbh
Most of the guns are pretty mid visually
gauss canon is sex
Perhaps
cold root
other than the Hell Razer and Hell Guards, which enemies in 2016 can be considered completely new?
elder meadow
summoner
elder meadow
other than the Hell Razer and Hell Guards, which enemies in 2016 can be consider...
Cyber mancubus
Although idk if that counts as âcompletely newâ
cold root
it is a variant of an enemy that existed since Doom II
elder meadow
Yeah but still a new enemy type. Stands out more than the hell knight did from the Baron in doom 2 anyhow
If MP counts then prowler and harvester
void venture
I beat game with only chaingun + infinity ammo from rune. This is ridiculous.
Too strong a weapon. I used to consider him weak, but his damage + stun is even better than gauss.
dark quail
elder meadow
Too strong a weapon. I used to consider him weak, but his damage + stun is even ...
who does not love a weapon that fires a million bullets a second
that shit has bass
halcyon bear
elder meadow
real
fossil basin
It's definitely possible
Just use it like doom one just keep firing it like a rifle
I actually might do that
You can skip picking up all the guns except for plasma
if you play UN you skip pistol
or do you still keep it
halcyon bear
You always have pistol
halcyon bear
Your biggest issue will be imps anyways
cedar niche
Funny little guy throw fireball
void venture
Your biggest issue will be imps anyways
It seems that after a third of the game they become weaker ...
fossil basin
It seems that after a third of the game they become weaker ...
Not if you're using the starting shotgun
would chainsaw be allowed?
void venture
Not if you're using the starting shotgun
I mean that their accuracy and damage is reduced
fossil basin
I mean that their accuracy and damage is reduced
Oh actually?
void venture
Oh actually?
This is my feeling
I can die 500 times on 1st 2 levels
And never on other
In the beginning imps are very strong and I don't know why they become nonentities over time
cold root
apparently there's actually people that made pistol only ultra-nightmare runs
it sounds insane
halcyon bear
It seems that after a third of the game they become weaker ...
Are you doing a no upgrade run?
void venture
In the beginning imps are very strong and I don't know why they become nonentiti...
It's like growing up a snotty boy. Imp dominating you, but after you dominating imp.
void venture
Are you doing a no upgrade run?
you mean no runes and weapon mods?
fossil basin
Yeah but no shotgun upgrades and only shotgun is the doom 1993 simulator
halcyon bear
Plenty of people do no upgrade runs
fossil basin
Also you have to upgrade during the cutscene with hayden
void venture
No, I just passed UN and haven't done it yet
fossil basin
I have a fantastic idea
cold root
game would be impossible
it's actually the opposite. the game feels way too forgiving with especially ammo upgrades
halcyon bear
Basically the imps will be weaker past foundry because you'll have a fair bit of upgrading by then
void venture
Upgrades can affect enemy damage, but then why do imps miss attacks and act differently
fossil basin
Doom with only shotgun nightmare no suit upgrades no weapon upgrades
void venture
They seem to be afraid of the player
fossil basin
I wonder why
cold root
when I replay the game, I would upgrade my health and armor but not ammo, because the ammo upgrades are really too forgiving
fossil basin
If I do a no upgrade run I'd spend the one argent capsule or whatever on ammo instead of armor or health
Actually
I think I'm gonna do it
void venture
game would be impossible
I cant play without In-Flight Mobility. I feel pain.
void venture
Provides a significant increase in control over in-air movement when doing a double jump.
fossil basin
oh is that a rune
void venture
ye
fossil basin
I don't think I've ever used it
The runes I use are usually vacuum, rich get richer, and the hunter
void venture
Btw with IFM + RGM + EP you cant beat game with only 1 any gun (mb with only punches lol)
fossil basin
Hunter is the one where you can glory kill all the way across an arena
That's just what I call it
I and I just don't unequip vacuum from the start
void venture
The runes I use are usually vacuum, rich get richer, and the hunter
Rich ger richer is a legal cheat
fossil basin
And I use rich get richer for tasty infinite ammo at higher armor
void venture
Like Equipment Power
void venture
And I use rich get richer for tasty infinite ammo at higher armor
I used it to run with gauss and chaingun
fossil basin
gauss and ssg
void venture
I felt like rambo
void venture
loooooooool
fossil basin
what
void venture
Its a man with infinity chaingun ammo
fossil basin
is it a movie character or
void venture
yes
elder meadow
what's rambo
ever heard of sylvester stalone
fossil basin
Yes
elder meadow
maybe
cold root
one of the few 2016 demon designs that I think is better than Eternal
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/465236787850248202/1105916953207513118/Codex_baron.bimage.png
fossil basin
barons in eternal look lame until you start actually doing damage and show the flaming insides
But yeah I kinda like 2016 barons more
They're classic
snow heron
barons in eternal look lame until you start actually doing damage and show the f...
The idea is cool but I donât think the flaming insides contrast well with its outside.
elder meadow
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/465236787850248202/1105916953207513118/Co...
Theyâre equal for me
2016âs barons are a great adaption of the classic sprite but I also do love the charred, flaming aesthetic of eternals baron
Wish they could coexist with the fireborne barons being a slightly stronger Baron type
I have come around on eternals hell knight as well
Idk if Iâd say I like it more than 2016âs but itâs pretty good
fossil basin
i love that the eternal gladiator is just a classic hell knight
probably my favorite boss
fossil basin
Eternals hell knight and 2016 hell knight are very very similar with a simple color shift and eyes
Eternal is slightly more purple and has eyes
elder meadow
i definitely like the no eyes 2016 hell knight
The eyes were what made me dislike it for awhile but I changed my mind
Doom 3 hell knight still the best though
cant argue
Especially the hell skin for it
Skins all charred and thereâs pentagrams
Makes no sense but it looks neat
fossil basin
I didn't play doom 3 what it look like
elder meadow
Iâd post a pic but no image perms
elder meadow
Might be because theyâre a sentinel
role
Peasants donât get shit in the doom server
cold root
posting image links from other discord servers works
elder meadow
I didn't play doom 3 what it look like
very demonic
cold root
dude don't try to do it
elder meadow
Câmon
cold root
last time someone did that they got muted
elder meadow
Goteem
hollow fiber
muscleman is the best thing that ever happened to television ever
fossil basin
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/866937468279193610/1105920696678371448/Ph...
wicked
fossil basin
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/465236787850248202/1105921331217842387/Do...
HA
fossil basin
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1105921758332199036/1105922600208699532/5...
i don't like that it doesn't have eyes
fossil basin
well it is a demon
oh wait have you guys seen this video it's funny asf
So fucking funny dude
cedar niche
got the plasma rifle stun and holy fuck is it useful
elder meadow
shouldve gotten heat blast but stum bomb is long term
cedar niche
idk just watched a vid on ultra nightmare and they got it and it seemed really useful. so i decided to get it as well
elder meadow
ye
cedar niche
i know im not playing on ultra nightmare but the things they used it for just seemed helpful
elder meadow
you can get out of tense situations with that mod