doom-2016

[wheat wagon]

Thx you are a lifesaver

[glad ridge]

Gougaru was the one that helped you, thank him

[tawny cove]

i think i glitched out DOOM
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/726583208082407495/1079111751376850974/Screenshot_2023-02-25_at_9.44.06_PM.png?width=2135&height=1334

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/726583208082407495/1079111752177950882/Screenshot_2023-02-25_at_9.44.13_PM.png?width=2135&height=1334

(PSRemoteplay)

but hey, atleast its helping me do masteries

[snow heron]

Maybe it’s a rune you have equipped that’s giving infinite ammo

Cause the Rich Get Richer rune gives infinite ammo above a certain armor level

[halcyon bear]

Yeah it's rich gets richer here

Over 100 I believe

[tawny cove]

oh right
i thought it simply doubles the ammo limit

[soft seal]

Is anyone able to play with me multiplayer so I can platinum it

[elder meadow]

I Don't Know men, i don't remember a one rune like that

[untold stirrup]

You don't remember RGR?

Most busted rune

[elder meadow]

Oh that's true

You have reason

[glad ridge]

You just have to just wait until people get on

They get on at different times of the day

If you hop on now you can find matches

[wet halo]

Someone said to go for nightmare but I’m just really bad at the game

I guess I haven’t tried since beating eternal so we’ll see if I’m any better

[lean wolf]

That rune that gives bfg ammo is also pretty op

[untold stirrup]

ah Ammo Boost

[lean wolf]

There’s so many things in 2016 I don’t use cause it just breaks the game, I just ignore the bfg due to how busted it is

[soft seal]

It was my first time playing an fps game but I put it on the hardest difficulty

[vivid sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/davie504-sad-times-sad-bass-ugh-gif-17045535

mfw i hardly used runes when i played

[wet halo]

I heart rich get richer

And armor glory kills

[vivid sleet]

i should get doom 2016 again and get runes

[snow heron]

[vivid sleet]

that works better

[wet halo]

That rocket launcher rune trial was terrible

[vivid sleet]

hmmmm

[wet halo]

The gauss cannon isn’t as bad but still pretty sucky

[tawny cove]

well fuck
i lost all the progress on masteries and rune upgrades when i restarted the final mission cause i thought something was wrong

[wet halo]

?

[tawny cove]

i did all the masteries and upgraded all the runes
then when i tried to do some secret in Argent D'Nur it didnt count for some reason, so i restarted the mission
now all the masteries and upgrades are gone

[wet halo]

Huh

That’s crazy

[tawny cove]

well atleast i got the achievments

[wraith tangle]

reseting the mission resets the progress you made since that mission. Were all of your rune progress and masteries done within that single level?

[tawny cove]

i had to go back a few levels to do them
..oh

[wet halo]

I don’t even understand nightmare

[halcyon bear]

How so

[wet halo]

Idk I just can’t play it

Not for me

[kindred sail]

I liked 2016, but it's too slow for my tastes

[wet halo]

It’s funny because people were saying 2016 was fast before eternal came out

[wet halo]

What is cosmic overdrive

[halcyon bear]

Ya even though it is literally one of the fastest shooters ever made and saved the boomer shooter genre? In my experience only people that say that are kids or eternal first babies

[wet halo]

I agree gougaru, well spoken

[kindred sail]

Wow I am offended as I am a teenager and I started with 2016

[wet halo]

No offense to you Mxson.

[wet halo]

What is cosmic overdrive

[soft seal]

I didn’t even play eternal and I already like 2016 more

[wraith tangle]

I don't know about x and I prefer y. - most coherent discord user

[next tangle]

I just realised that if you combine the super shotgun, rocket launcher and Gauss cannon with the explosive impact skill, you get a pretty op combo, and If you add a few shots from the bfg, you can kill || both stages of the cyberdemon|| in 30 secs.

Still trying to find better combos

[rustic fog]

There's a few things across the two games that I don't like, but I'd never say 2016 is better than Eternal

As a whole, at least. I still like the 2016 suit and plasma rifle more.

Passive blast charge is a lost luxury, but I don't miss the stun bomb

[nimble compass]

i just finished my first full playthrough of 2016 since the day before eternal released, and i gotta say it's even better than i remember!

the atmosphere is unmatched and the graphics are still even better than eternal's in a lot of areas, though i would still say eternal is the more fun game to play. 2016 combat gets old around the last four missions in my opinion.

though i would never say that either game is better than the other. they're both 10/10 masterpieces in different ways.

going back to eternal i'm missing a lot of the more open-ended level designs from 2016 like foundry and kadingr sanctum. every eternal level is very linear but that's not a bad thing. there's just a lot more exploration and openness in 2016's levels.

i'm still upset that eternal has such a large time skip between it and 2016. it's just bad writing to have so much stuff left unexplained like that. i love how over complicated and insane eternal's lore can get but it's always been a very poor decision to leave that unanswered.

[marsh raptor]

Does anyone wanna play multiplayer with me?

[halcyon bear]

It's easy to enjoy and love both games for what they provide as masterpiece doom games. I'm able to go back and forth between them with zero issues. For the most part those that can't have severe muscle memory issues

[latent jewel]

but newer Doom games are both arcade, can we agree on that? dunno why they implemented Arcade mod since everything abt the gameplay of both is pure arcade

[odd dirge]

Hi, after 20 years I restarted Doom, now I initiated the "2016". One question, is there some game version that brings the scene of the Slayer being trapped in the sarcophagus?

[elder meadow]

no, not that I know of.

[halcyon bear]

There's a classic doom wad called doom zero that ends with the sarcophgus scene

[odd dirge]

Thank you for the information, I'll try to find it

[odd dirge]

My god, 30 years after not 20, I'm getting old 😅

[tame rose]

Bruhhh

[wet halo]

The rune trial?

[tame rose]

Ohhh

[wet halo]

Yeah

[tame rose]

Nevermind lol

[wet halo]

No I love the gun

[tame rose]

Was about to say

Turns barons into sphagetti

[rustic fog]

I can see why the infinite ammo rune was removed in eternal but damn it's satisfying

i wish I could apply 2016 gun skins there

[tawny cove]

theoretically
if i did all masteries and runes before the final level, and then reached a checkpoint in that final level, and once i load that checkpoint, would that allow me to keep the masteries and runes? considrering i dont restart the mission entirely (knowing it will reset everything to before i did all masteries and runes)

[tawny cove]

also whats this thing?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/726583208082407495/1080126882080628786/Screenshot_2023-02-28_at_4.58.08_PM.png

[wraith tangle]

rocket ammo

[tawny cove]

the red triangular thing is rocket ammo?

[wraith tangle]

walk over it and your rocket supply will increase

[tawny cove]

ok

thanks

[winter stream]

Siphon Grenade

[tawny cove]

oh nice

so...
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/726583208082407495/1080135366415228968/Screenshot_2023-02-28_at_5.32.13_PM.png

[wraith tangle]

oh no did I commit forgetting. I forget that siphons have their own lil icon since it's mostly redundant with frags. They share a slot

[tawny cove]

so i finished the game

[elder meadow]

I never knew that if you look into the giant circle floating above a gore nest in Doom 2016 you can see hell

[tawny cove]

damn
didnt know that either

Welp, time to start Ultra Nightmare UAC

[halcyon bear]

Wasted achievement. Should have been the whole campaign Un

[wraith tangle]

like wolf2's 0.01 % mein leben

[halcyon bear]

Who doesn't like hiding under a desk with a auto shotgun

[wraith tangle]

I've spent hours of my life under that courthouse desk

[tawny cove]

UN UAC is alot harder than i thought

[untold dust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/856064665342967810/1080189357350195261/PSX_20230228_210355.jpg

[tawny cove]

gg

[glad ridge]

It’s not that hard just keep moving and use sticky grenades

And always go for glory kills for health

[opal shale]

There are sticky grenades in DOOM (2016)? Glory Kills also give very little health here. Are you thinking of DOOM Eternal?

[glad ridge]

No lol

It’s called Explosive Shot but I just call it stick bomb

[halcyon bear]

Yeah you actually want to avoid glory kills as much as possible during a UN run

1 you don't get much health and 2 you're opening up to jank deaths if you do

[untold stirrup]

This ^

[glad ridge]

It helped me to survive and get the trophy but during a UN run I can understand

[untold stirrup]

The only exception is when you have savagery and seek and destroy

It's safer to do GK's that way

[elder meadow]

Doom 2016 soundtrack like hell themes are so creepy

I wish eternal was like that

[sharp thicket]

There are some creepy tracks in eternal. But like you said. It doesn't match up to 2016's horror

Might start replaying it and messing with snapmap like I did some years ago. Man, the snapmap days were great despite nobody really talking about it.

[rustic fog]

does anyone still play multiplayer here

[still lily]

snapmap is great but snaphak makes it literally the best fps level editor ever

[sharp thicket]

Well, I use console exclusively. If thats some sort of pc mod for it, I'd like to see it. But I am used to vanilla snapmap

[still lily]

well, you cant USE snaphak on consoles but anything made using it can run on them. so idk try this map of mine out
ID: RF8RW3KJ
if you want

i just adore snapmap. I've never seen such an under appreciated game mode. In fact it was overhated by a bunch of classic doom dudes like "wahh no mods" despite snapmap/snaphak making modding alot easier. Hope we figure out md6 soon..

when does ID employees NDA's expire for 2016?

[snow heron]

I don’t think SnapMap with SnapHak will ever reach the level of Classic Doom modding but I do agree it’s super under appreciated

[still lily]

well, snapmap with modding damn well might

just wont run on consoles

[still lily]

even just snaphak is getting prettty crazy

[halcyon bear]

Muted lol

[winter stream]

#d2016-modding message

This was the link snow was trying to post lol

[soft seal]

@tawny cove

[soft seal]

ME

[tawny cove]

?

??

[still lily]

dumbass automod

[soft seal]

Can you help me with multiplayer trophies plz

[tawny cove]

im tryna do snapmap
but sure

i need to do multiplayer too so

you on playstation?

[soft seal]

Ye

[tawny cove]

k

adventureg147369

[soft seal]

I played 5 snap map maps but it still didn’t give me the trophy ??

[tawny cove]

i think you need to complete the snapmaps

[soft seal]

I did

[tawny cove]

oh

yea idk
im still trying

cocoatlas?

[soft seal]

Yes

[tawny cove]

k

i sent an invite

[soft seal]

Joining

SnapMap taking hours

Send another one

[tawny cove]

wait i thought you wanted to do multiplayer??

[soft seal]

You were in snapmap

[tawny cove]

yes

[soft seal]

Which one you wanna do

[tawny cove]

snapmap cause why not 👍

[soft seal]

Okay

[tawny cove]

uhh
for some reason party slots are locked

[soft seal]

What does that mean

[tawny cove]

means i dont think snapmap is allowing me to invite
maybe you can try to invite me?

[soft seal]

How

[tawny cove]

i think when you press triangle it shows party
then square to invite

[soft seal]

it doesn’t show

It just says

Looking for lobby and then kicks me out

[tawny cove]

damn

[soft seal]

Actually nvm

It worked, apparently I just had to wait

[tawny cove]

cool i joined

[soft seal]

Okay I start

[tawny cove]

k

[soft seal]

BUH

I just got the trophy

[tawny cove]

nice

[soft seal]

After playing 9 games

[tawny cove]

i need to do 4 more for the trophy now
do i just play the same one?

[soft seal]

I don’t think that’ll work

But it’s worth a try

[tawny cove]

yea

[soft seal]

Did you get it

[tawny cove]

3 more

[soft seal]

Same game?

[tawny cove]

yea

2 more to go

1 final match and hopefully i get the trophy

ayyy
i got it

thanks

[soft seal]

Was that the last snapmap trophy 4 u

[tawny cove]

yea
now need to do multiplayer and UN UAC and i get platinum 👍

[soft seal]

Okay

Let’s do multiplayer together then

[tawny cove]

k

[soft seal]

Which trophy first

[tawny cove]

IPXSETUP.EXE?

also i sent an invite

[soft seal]

I did it, I’ll help u with it

[tawny cove]

ty

[soft seal]

Did I join

[tawny cove]

yea

nice i got it

i got the last multiplayer achievment too
thanks again

[soft seal]

How

There’s so much

[tawny cove]

idk but i got both IPXSETUP and combat tested, doomguy approved

[soft seal]

The party got disbanded, send another invite

[tawny cove]

i had to go
sorry

[soft seal]

Oh

It’s alright

[atomic pagoda]

бривед брад

[elder meadow]

Gonna buy doom 2016

[halcyon bear]

Fucking A🔥

[soft seal]

W

[rustic fog]

better late than never

[sharp vapor]

how's d2016's mapping community compared to classic doom

[tawny cove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/726583208082407495/1080863682558431302/Screenshot_2023-03-02_at_5.46.04_PM.png

what???

[fossil island]

Did you use cheats?

[tawny cove]

i didnt

[fossil island]

Well... then its a F

[tawny cove]

F for fine
cause all it was was my UN run
which i didnt properly start

and kept failing

for like 3 days straight

so really i didnt lose anything in that save

[halcyon bear]

Pretty great the snapmap community is crazy talented

[void venture]

True shit - when game crash, and after restart game you lose hp after starting lvl and die. On UN.

90% this shit I got on argent tower

I die, when screen is loading

[snow heron]

With SnapHak there’s a lot of cool stuff being made but the Classic Doom mapping scene is much MUCH larger with equally as talented people

[tawny cove]

LETS FUCKING GOOO
I DID IT

im finally going to start with DOOM Eternal

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/726583208082407495/1080918154122903664/Screenshot_2023-03-02_at_9.22.32_PM.png?width=2520&height=306

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/726583208082407495/1080918153833480282/Screenshot_2023-03-02_at_9.22.21_PM.png?width=2520&height=297

[untold dust]

Nice!

[elder meadow]

I wish Eternal had classic levels like 16

[winter stream]

doesn't it come with the entirety of classic doom?

[elder meadow]

Yeah, but it would still be cool to play classic levels with the meathook and crucible

[still lily]

super small but only getting better quality wise. especially since doom 2016 modding is slowly getting more advanced.

[rustic fog]

where's that

[wet halo]

In the home base you go to the slayers room with the toys and guns, go to the old computer and interact with it, you can only play doom1 if you have all the cheat codes

[dire sinew]

hi

who completed it

[sharp vapor]

thanks

[sharp vapor]

thanks too

[sharp vapor]

thanks, will look up snaphak

i can't run d2016 on my PC yet but i'm saving up for better parts

[winter stream]

the r/snapmap subreddit has the relevant info and links pinned

[latent jewel]

Good for you. I buy the game but until I will have it heavily modified I can't stand it.

[tawny cove]

modified?

in what way?

[latent jewel]

It is even ironic how some ppl would say get good and don't complain, since most of so-called "weapon upgrades" with the exception of a few who are interesting -I consider basically cheats

[latent jewel]

Although I am hardcore quake player since the 90s I want a slow paced action when I have to play a campaign in the Doom universe. I am working on a mod primarily to reduce the nr of monsters and make them 10x stronger, to compensate bc I want every fight to be more dramatic and go much longer; much less ammo, less weapon upgrades, grenades not magically reloading themselves, the pistol to slowly reload its energy and be the only one efficient versuys shields, and so on

[tawny cove]

oh wow
thats quite a good idea for a mod

[latent jewel]

until now I succeeded to make always walk instead always run active through other; I seen ppl on the Internet complaining abt the lack of that silly option -silly on the part of devs being stubborn on forcing players a specific gameplay, I mean

I was always very passioned about doom games, but after doom2 to me with every iteration they just went worst and worst

[tawny cove]

having fallen down somewhere i didnt need to go to or to the endless void of Mars, i can see how that is annoying
so you just add a control that changes the speed of Slayer?

[latent jewel]

ppl like to say smth like "but bro, it is meant to be fast and very fast paced" to which I reply this is why you have deathmatch modes and quake champions competitive scene

whenever I want a fast paced action I hop in in the multiplayer of Quakelive or quakechampions

or even q1; sp experience supposed to be unique experience but they completely lost the line on this one; anyway sorry for the rant; it is just that I found it very dissapointingly made; if I could not make the mod I would have been asking for refund. I will never play the SP campaign of D2016 in the way the devs designed it sorry for my rant once again 🙂

[latent jewel]

I modified moving speed to walkspeed by scaling option and increased walkspeed from var options since that option is nowhere to be found elsewehere

[tawny cove]

its alright, you got valid points
oh nice

[rigid scroll]

Am I the only one who prefers Doom 2016's atmosphere and setting to Doom Eternal?
The UAC Base was so immersive, the environments were incredibly well crafted, and it just seemed more...realistic. I guess it's because I'm a sucker for sci-fi. Idk, I feel like Eternal lost a lot of the appeal for me by going fully into the "fantasy" setting rather than sci-fi, as well as having more "video gamey" level design, with parkour, glowing pickups, etc.

[rustic fog]

Yeah eternal is more arcade-like. Probably a sacrifice for tuning the mechanics

The level design for both games is growing on me tho

[halcyon bear]

The both offer something great

[winter stream]

That's quite a preference you have... but last I checked doom is not quake and quake is not objectively the pinnacle of how a single-player campaign should be designed, especially given that one of the main reasons the original quake had such a reduced enemy count in the first place was because 3d entities had a larger impact on performance than 2d sprites, rather than just to be a new approach to gameplay design.

If they rebooted Quake but made the gameplay like 2016/Eternal, that would be a different story, however.

[candid furnace]

hello do you fellow human beings have doom eternal?

[latent jewel]

I was talking abt q1 in the sense that I hop in and play any of these in DM when I want; nowhere did I made a parallel between games regarding SP gameplay regarding quake

I don't consider q1 the pinnacle of SP experience either, far from it; it was still better designed though than d2016, if you think even abt the fact that they did not copy other games ideas like "did you see the current trend with upgraded weapons and minigames for achievements? let's implement this as well"

to me it seems that devs came first with the idea of adding weapons upgrades and altfires and upgarades in general and only AFTER they realized that they have to work on the AI and the only way they were able to rapidly balance the gameplay -to some extend -was by throwing innumerable hordes of spawning all around enemies.

[muted wigeon]

Perhaps

[latent jewel]

from what I seen on walkthroughs on D Eternal it seems to me that they adhered more to quake gothic themes -which was a big mistake in the past as well, lke John Romero observed about Quake 4 SP campaign -which apparently used mixed elements both from the doom universe and quake as well

when he complained abt q4 that you did not entirely knew if you were playing quake or doom -this is what he said, but I seen just a quote from a quote so can't say for sure

[halcyon bear]

Eternal isn't like quake at all or a Gothic theme. Actually it has some of the brightest vibrant areas I've seen in a game with tons of outdoor open set peices

[latent jewel]

ok let's say that you are right, but tell me some critics tha you have about the game; bc I am afraid that you are one of those blind fanboys -although noting wrong with that I guess

[halcyon bear]

I love most the doom games for the things they individually being to the table. They all have faults but I feel what they do right outshines thoughs faults. I'm a giant doom fan and collector so I would be bias but I also have complaints.

[latent jewel]

but by just rapidly looking at any eternal map you could see the artistic depart from the doom theme to something resembling quake -quake which was not all the same either, only some chapters -at least I had this impression when I first seen Doom Eternal footage

not that is wrong smth with that though

the artistic direction of doom quake series has always been remarkable, unfortunately gameplay design to me is a big letdown to me especially with newer games

[halcyon bear]

See the thing is you're definitely wrong about the maps that's just facts. Not sure what you're rapidly looking at. Someone who's played the game would let you know you're way off. One thing I'd say I dislike eternal is the emphasis on pure fast motion combat where as 2016 was more grounded and I really enjoy that.

Personally not the biggest fan of super fast swaps. I play nightmare but my movement is definitely more precise and planned rather then this emphasis of twitch movement. It's okay if people like that though

[latent jewel]

so I just randomly opened now a walkthrough https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0PGsDEussE&list=PLWKuyAKXafnJaafry2alk_3PzaLCPORUF&index=4&ab_channel=DansGamingLiveStreamVods dunno if yt links are allowed

I see a big hall with pillars and arches look like a gothic monastery inside LOL

no gothic influence

[halcyon bear]

I personally feel someone should play a game before giving any sort of opinion. Walkthroughs and shit just don't give anything justice. I tend to avoid having strong opinions on things I don't have first hand experience with

[latent jewel]

I don;'t know how does playing instead watching would change the architectural reality of smth called gothic architecture

[halcyon bear]

But from hell on earth to uac Atlantica you're getting amazing colorful and rich set. One of eternsls strongest aspects honestly. It deserves to be called out on its faults but it's levels aren't one of them

[halcyon bear]

Sorry man. You just have no idea what you're talking about. Wish you the best though

[latent jewel]

look I have been buyign D2016 a week or two ago bc at the time I did not like the gameplay how it was conceived; now I play it as I want and still my opinion is the same; this is why I hope to succeed moding it;

look, if it is allowed

search for any gothic architecture interior and see for yourself what is called gothic architecture man

[wet halo]

What are you guys talking about

[latent jewel]

I said that to me Doom Eternal approched the artwork of quake in the sense that it is more oriented toward gothic architecture and even feeling that to scifi dominant doom theme

and he is saying that it is nothing of the sort

[halcyon bear]

I'm a history teacher I'm well aware what it is. And you're describing one style of architecture that isn't all of the game. Maybe Exultia? I've got thousands of hours in both 2016 and eternal and you're just wrong. Doom eternals levels are all very unique and deep and one of its strongest things. If you have other complaints though that make sense I'm sure I'd agree with you

[wet halo]

I think this is a stupid argument

[halcyon bear]

Yee

[latent jewel]

than all links in regard to gothic architecture -interiors -are al wrong because you are a history teacher? I don't take your argument serious, my father was as well but how does this help with anything;

[halcyon bear]

He should have sat you down and taught you more if that's the case

[wraith tangle]

doom eternal inspired all 1st millennia European architecture

[halcyon bear]

That's actually truth

[latent jewel]

I don't think so on the other hand you seem to show some Dunning Kruger problems right here.

yeah kill me with smart sarcasm now LOL

ok be it how you say but still not

[elder meadow]

Why does it say strong language in the rating?

[wet halo]

Hell

Idk

[elder meadow]

@halcyon bear this is for u

[elder meadow]

shut. The fuck. Up

[elder meadow]

also Doom always had a Gothic sense combined with the sci-fi aspects

its not fair especially u pull up a specific level that doesnt dictate the whole experience

Doom Eternal def has inspirations of early doom and Quake but the art style hasnt gone to a point where you arn’t sure if ur playing a quake or doom game

When you play eternal its not Quake. hell the newer generation of doom fans prob never even heard of quake. If you wanna see games that actually take their art style on crack

Let me introduce u to the Halo Franchise

[wise cape]

fr

[elder meadow]

Hell if Map design is what dictates the game. Your forgetting other aspects that also make up a doom game. The demons, weapons, etc.

Not to mention u said u immediately refunded Doom 2016. Brother u’d only be able to refund on Steam if you put 2 hours into the game

and U wouldnt have been in hell in 2 hours

[elder meadow]

and this here is where we are all gonna disagree on

Because not every map is set in a medieval premise

rephrase: “Not every art choice is inspired by quake”

Because quake itself and doom both share this design a lot and it would only be a pointless argument who did it first

[elder meadow]

also not every experience is unique to a point where it plays differently

because at that point u should just go play a different game rather than tryna “self-insert” yourself because u feel obligated the need to enjoy a modern doom game

[elder meadow]

and the “but bro it is meant to be fast and very fast paced” Yeah it is fast pace. literally. u are running incredibly fast not to mention a button for Sprint in 1993 and 2 exists.

hell Doom eternal and 2016 dont even have sprint

2016 doesnt even have actual movement mechanics until u unlock double jump and all u had was a clamber

If you want more “slow strategic” types of games. There are its just Doom or Quake wasnt really like that. It was more about Adapting to a situation on the fly and every encounter was unique cause you arnt always gonna die the same way. You will make mistakes or be killed by a different demon and build the knowledge to improve. Thats what your own “experience” is

Not trying to give “inclusivity” to the player

[still lily]

doom eternal was not that cool lmao. Barely any gothic lovecraftian shit. Sad but i hope we get a quake reboot. I just want more HP lovecraft inspired environments in gaming in general

[elder meadow]

i want the next doom to live up to the 18+ rating it has in australia, must be very dark, i would like that

[latent jewel]

you missed the point of where all started: I made the observation which John Romero said, that he was not satisfied with the artistic orientation of where idSowftware went with their newer games, and at that time it was mostly in regard to Quake4; he bragged abt the fact that newer franchises tend to become mish-mashes of both and he was probably right; although doom and quake borrowed elements from each other, hence their creators, the two still did stay pretty much on their lane; occasionally they had common assets, but were largely two completely themes; largely.

on the other hand in Doom2016 and later in Doom Eternal you also have runes, which were more pivotal to say so in Quake1, enemies using a combination of scifi and medieval weapons -like q4 had a bit and on top of it medieval/gothic elements regarding maps -not every map is that style of course but the tendency is more pronounced, this is the effect I observed; which blends further with what john romero said

and feel free to disagree than with the educated or not so history teacher who does not agree with you either -if you accept the fact that id uses gothic inspiration here and there -since I did not say that dEternal would ENTIRELY be based on this aspects

[latent jewel]

regarding inclusivity I don't take your observations as being valid since I am an avid DM quake player

I was saying ithat SP experience should be build different -what john carmack had in mind with doom3 but unfortunately in the end that was another unfinished product

I still find artistic direction in d2016 very nice and levels monsters design -with the exception of zombies which are worst looking and acting than the ones in D3, unfortunately

and weapons are great some -with the exception of plasmagun which is still a miss in terms of firing effect and sound

but I found very dislikable the way devs worked around gameplay -and you cannot talk about pretending to be challenging in SP as long as devs put on purpose demons dropping ammo and health, nades regenerating their number on top of pickup crates -maybe they put both my mistake omitting to remove one of the two? and innumerable upgrades -which are all designed to make gameplay easier -I see them cheats basically

thank god they did not put regenerating health like cod franchises

[latent jewel]

Probably not but it still uses more this kinda of approach than let's say Doom3 and older ones. This is the general impression it gave me after seeying many gameplay footages from the game -although I am aware that having action happening on Earth it would be normal to see some classical buildings as well; still older Doom games used mostly combinations of scifi with blocky buildings; anyway I don't care too much about DEternal and don't intend to buy it in the near future , but based on the gameplay the devs made for it, not because lvl design

[latent jewel]

Doom at the time it was made players used keyboard to move around, and many players this is the way they played, rarely using the run option ort he mouse (but id guys used it I know) -the run option was put there to help you get out of dangerous situations not to use it all time -in the beginning; the reality is that ppl learned very fast to shift for always run and became very good at the game, which kinda made the gameplay evolve or involve imo, even wold3d had fast run of course but the argument is that at the time players did not have any reason to move slow in kinda realistic manner bc art design was poor in terms of details -there was nothing to see; even strafejump seem to appear first by mistake and john carmack wanted to remove it

[latent jewel]

you are just nitpicking here and try to deconstruct what I mean

[halcyon bear]

Hope your weekends going well buddyb

[halcyon bear]

I have a strong feeling we will. And a shift in art style or feel would be great. No one wants a doom 2016 2 or a doom eternal 2. Something that stands on its own would be great

[hasty scarab]

Yessss

i beat ultra violence

[warped urchin]

https://youtu.be/Uvb04gU_UmU?t=521 I've been wondering about the beta summoner sound effects for a while

do I remember those sounds still being in the game or not? i wonder why they got removed

[snow heron]

Wi-Fi’s not the best where I am rn so I can’t watch the video but I do know that a lot of stuff from the cancelled Doom 4 where reused in DOOM 2016 so it’s possible old sound effects made it in as well.

[warped urchin]

i'll check

[warped urchin]

don't think i've heard any of the beta summoner sounds yet

but I think I've heard distant death sounds of the beta imps

[boreal quartz]

Why did the Uac think it was a good idea to rebuild the cyber demon

[rustic fog]

good question, it's not like they were at war (that we know of)

unless they thought they could use demons as hell insurance against themselves

[hollow yarrow]

Hi

[still lily]

when i was looking through the sound banks there definitely was quite a bit left over

[halcyon bear]

Well they were doing alot of research in Lazarus and resurrection of dead demons or subjects( something used on other demons in the lab) I'm guessing bringing back the last balgaar was a good way to test out resurrection further.

[warped urchin]

wait a min, even the beta summoner sounds? sorry i'm curious

I was looking at soundbanks too out of boredom too and i dont think i found any of them but there are rocket explosion sounds from the video

[winter stream]

there's the E3 gameplay demo music in the soundbanks, so there's probably a lot of the other early version sounds too

[still lily]

not sure. theres so many different banks and sounds, maybe i should just dump them into a huge yt video

[warped urchin]

yeaaaa that's why it's so difficult lol

[winter stream]

that'd be a long ass video

[still lily]

still useful

as a dump, because no such thing exists

[elder meadow]

Played through Doom 2016 for the first time on Hurt Me Plenty.

Please critique my play in this area so I can get better on next difficulty.

https://youtu.be/B3pZj9cZfzo

[rustic fog]

Do you have mods bro? Where's the rest of your guns?

[elder meadow]

No?

[rustic fog]

why dont you have mods

[elder meadow]

This is on Xbox series x

[rustic fog]

no i mean the weapon attachments

the robot dudes

[elder meadow]

Yes I do

[rustic fog]

i dont think you used any of them in that whole clip

they're pretty important

[elder meadow]

Hm

Okay

[rustic fog]

gauss cannon precision bolt can melt cyber mancs in a couple full charge shots

rocket launcher remote detonation is good for the shield guys

[elder meadow]

Oh thanks I don't have remote

[rustic fog]

plasma gun heat blast obliterates fodder

[elder meadow]

I just upgraded plasma

[rustic fog]

either of the chaingun masteries do big damage

[elder meadow]

Thanks!

[rustic fog]

get as close as possible with the super shotgun too, max damage is within like a few feet

i don't think micro missiles are very strong but i liked them because they home in a bit

i more or less operated on "little guns for little guys, big guns for big guys"

[solemn willow]

https://youtu.be/1g-7-dFXOUU?t=50 I have a question about the track timestamped here, theres no official soundtrack called hell keep in 2016, does anyone know what this is from?

I can only find the unreleased track but it only has a buildup and no drop

[elder meadow]

https://youtube.com/shorts/FVt_B0DpCqg?feature=share

[halcyon bear]

Need to utilize jumping more, your movement is stagnant and you need to use other weapons to your advantage

[crimson anchor]

here is a tip for stating a ultra nightmare run,in the first mission you can kill the possessed instantly by double tapping the glory kill button,this will give you alot of heath if your running out .Hope this helps

[halcyon bear]

You usually want to stay away from glory killing on UN. That's what I'd generally recommend especially for newer players. You can get locked in animation and sniped out plus the health back isn't worth it. If you do glory kill probably best to do it later game and when you know the arena lay out better

[real shell]

@halcyon bear I had alot of glory kills on Ultra Nightmare

[halcyon bear]

Nice. Generally not recommended though. I still like to do them also.

[real shell]

I've done Ultra Nightmare

Here's my video proof

https://youtu.be/xEhpwARpurI

[halcyon bear]

Nice! Definitely a great time

Still prefer nightmare these days

[real shell]

It was.... and I cried Completing it

Nightmare is easy

[halcyon bear]

Epic! Well un is just nightmare with perma death. 3 times I've done nightmare deathless anyways haha.

But with un the pressure is intense. Makes all the difference

[real shell]

The death start back on mission 1 is fearfully but can be controlled

[halcyon bear]

Mostly once I was past foundry I was gold. Great video quality by the way ! I just got a proper card for recording new doom. Which I should get on. Probably start with wolfenstein though

[real shell]

PlayStation 5 4k

Doom 2016 is limited to 4k 60fps

Doom eternal 4k 120fps

[halcyon bear]

I had issues with compression with 4 k so probably just stick to 1080

[real shell]

As long as you can play it 👍

[halcyon bear]

Playing isn't the issue. My old rig just didn't have the juice to record

[tame sleet]

does it have any cap on 1440p?

[ashen patrol]

yes

ultra nightmare is a pain in the ass

[elder meadow]

Thanks..how is my movement stagnant and how should I move better?

[halcyon bear]

You want to take advantage of the arena and utilize your space rather than just running up directly to enemy in a straight line and repeating that over and over. That's where other weapons come I'm handy too

[elder meadow]

I'll watch game footage of better players and learn from them

[elder meadow]

Just beat the game on ultra violence, very fun, now i'll be moving on to nightmare

[wise cape]

pffff

[halcyon bear]

Nice. Personally my favorite

[elder meadow]

It really was a lot more fun than hurt me plenty

[last garnet]

I just asked a ai if doomslayer could beat Kratos and it said yes

[rocky pike]

what combos do you guys reccomend im only using right know the SSG + gauss

[halcyon bear]

Stun or heat combos are great definitely look into that as a starter for a chain

[snow heron]

AI clearly doesn’t know the Doom lore

[last garnet]

Oh

[last garnet]

Now it says kratos wins

[halcyon bear]

Kratos wins when they also make doom into a walking simulator

[still lily]

spongebob solos doomguy, we've already been over this

[halcyon bear]

Truth

[primal meadow]

[still lily]

he literally knows karate.

[soft seal]

I know how to brush my teeth

[last garnet]

Whats your favorite doom emoji?

[limber coyote]

[echo abyss]

[still lily]

not on this server

[wise flower]

id love to actually see a battle between SpongeBob and doom guy

[normal bane]

is it just me or was the cyber demon harder than the spider mastermind

[normal bane]

[halcyon bear]

It's not just you

[naive rune]

hey, does anyone know when is doom multiplayer next season please ?

[devout mist]

June 8th 2116

[naive rune]

huuuuuuh

[raw salmon]

depends what platform you're on

[naive rune]

doom multiplayer next season

[raw salmon]

oh i read that wrong but yeah the next season is a couple dozen years from now

[naive rune]

aaaaare you rlly sure about it???

[winter stream]

I heard next season will come out a little after Doom Eternal adds mod support and invasion mode

[naive rune]

oh ok thank you very much

[snow heron]

2016 stopped being supported like years ago

There will be no more new content for the single or multiplayer

[still lily]

1984 tbh.

[still lily]

ok

[worthy mango]

[rancid cipher]

doom etrenal better ngl

[snow tangle]

a few things about that

1. its eternal

2. Why do you think that?

[rancid cipher]

game play story and merauder is epic

[snow tangle]

intresting

[halcyon bear]

Dudes 12 and has never played 2016. He literally spammed every channel with the same bs

[elder meadow]

Pause menu theme hitting hard fr

[elder meadow]

Personally i had more problems with the spider on my first playthrouth

[wet halo]

Cyber demon is way harder

[still lily]

nah

[tired viper]

any news, bro?

[snow heron]

marauders ai sucks ass in later levels

and they just kept reusing his gimmick which was annoying

The Dark Lord, Gladiator, and Armored Baron all reuse the Marauders gimmick

[proper ermine]

Dark Lord boss seems like ass tbh it's just a buffed marauder

Wish there was a second phase with his armor off

[snow heron]

It quite literally is. He waddles around the arena and is just a worse Marauder.

TAG 2 had some pretty shit new enemies

[proper ermine]

Damn the Khan makyr is harder than him or no?

[snow heron]

Khan is way easier cause you don't have to wait for her eyes to flash green and her health goes down super fast. The Dark Lord isn't necessarily harder just it's more tedious and time consuming

Same amount of phases just one has a dumbass shield

[proper ermine]

That really doesnt sound like fun huh

[snow heron]

yep

I get they had time constraints and all but for The Dark Lord really should have been saved for a full game and not DLC

[proper ermine]

Couldn't have said it better

[rapid spade]

I finished the game last night. Holy crap the end was insane. If anyone that helped make that game is reading this, yall absolutely killed it

[proper ermine]

Damn if you thought the end of doom 2016 was insane get prepared for doom eternal

[still lily]

get ur pjs and hot coco on! cuz its gonna be a snooze fest 😴 /hj

[proper ermine]

Finna be a pain fest

[normal bane]

I didn’t die once to the mastermind and like 15 times for the cyber demon

[elder meadow]

I died thrice to the spider mastermind and twice to the cyberdemon on my first playthrough

[elder meadow]

sounds pretty normal

[untold stirrup]

Gamma male detected, opinion rejected

[halcyon bear]

More like a fucking gamma

[untold stirrup]

Actually you're right

[patent grotto]

someone want to play with me and my cousin at this game?

nobody is playing in the server lol

[inland jungle]

https://youtu.be/8QuAUeN4rgk

[snow heron]

Would be interesting if we could get our hands on leaked assets and textures. Could maybe make a semi playable game

Like with the Duke Nukem Forever 2001 build

[winter stream]

there is some

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/832527939153297448/1084237212327088250/20230311140932_1.jpg?width=1284&height=676

doom 4 soldier model

[still lily]

interesting that the burst rifle is older than most campaign guns

[winter stream]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/832527939153297448/1084237269591920801/20230311140956_1.jpg?width=1284&height=676

doom 4 assault rifle

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/832527939153297448/1084237293193285662/20230311141007_1.jpg?width=1284&height=676

doom 4 plasma rifle

[still lily]

and some of those hand animations reused for the harvester in mp

[winter stream]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/832527939153297448/1084237322524037150/20230311141046_1.jpg?width=1284&height=676

and apparently these props are from doom 4 according to the folder name it was found in

[snow heron]

@winter stream Super cool to see the game’s assets like that. Probably not enough stuff yet to make a playable build yet huh?

[winter stream]

nah, just some random models that we happened to stumble on when making this asset map of all models for SnapMap

[halcyon bear]

Neat!

[lament girder]

i can't seem to bring myself to finish another playthrough of this game damn

its either too easy or i'll get killed by the same imp over and over in one arena for like, 5 minutes on end then not struggle for the rest of the game like a freak occurrence

[hushed vault]

god the balancing is just so fucked

the shitty sound mixing just makes it worse

the SSG Mastery basically trivializes every demon that isn't a Baron

[lament girder]

2016 has lots of issues in a lot of departments. actually both games do but 2016's flaws are more aggravating

and just personally speaking i dont really care for the visuals tbh the game has always looked generic to me

[hushed vault]

I proposed a remaster once that fixed the sound mixing and backported visual enhancements from Eternal but honestly I'm not sure those would carry the gameplay and mechanics still being the same

[lament girder]

i'd sooner port 2016's levels to eternal haha

[hushed vault]

the sound mixing is the one thing that pisses me off the most

adds cheap difficulty that shouldn't be there

[lament girder]

oh yeah. especially terrible in online where someone could be tailing right behind you with a literal chainsaw revving at full throttle

[hushed vault]

honestly the BFG Mastery that makes it an ammo drop is game-breaking too

[lament girder]

most of the enemies are mute too, i think you only hear imps spawning in then they're 100% silent

[hushed vault]

I barely even remember most of the enemy sounds in 2016

[lament girder]

enemies don't have any recognizable sound cues unlike eternal

[hushed vault]

meanwhile Eternal's are burned into my neurons

[lament girder]

bwoop bwoop bwoop bwoop

the manc's pain sound

[hushed vault]

also I wish the Revenant had the Lost Soul scream like the E3 2015 trailer made it seem

[lament girder]

the cacodemons, soldiers, gargoyles, arachnotrons, even prowlers. i dont think there's a single enemy in the game that doesn't have an iconic sound

[lament girder]

yeah i dont like the rev in either new doom game

they did look cooler in 2016 though even if they couldn't hit you for shit

[hushed vault]

I don't like how in the lore they're not native demons and are instead some crazy super soldier project

[lament girder]

yeah that was pretty goofy and over the top

i find it weird how 2016 gets more like eternal lorewise the deeper into the game you go with the introduction of the crucible and the sentinels

[hushed vault]

kind of a side-effect of the final plot being done up so late

[lament girder]

yeah. too bad you never hear any of it because people like to pretend 2016 had no goofy shit in it

[hushed vault]

the 2012-era dev material that was uncovered recently showed a very different plot

and 2014-2015 probably had something inbetween

[lament girder]

doom 4 looks cool as shit

[hushed vault]

the Praetor Suit itself is a remnant of the pre-Slayer era

it looks too man-made for something apparently having been forged by a demon

[lament girder]

even if it was prone to fail for being more call of duty than an ID game

[hushed vault]

the Night Sentinel design was probably a generic UAC or space marine design id had done before they repurposed it for the lore

[lament girder]

yeah that always bothered me. i remember the f-51 decal from the 2015 demo and was estranged to see it replaced by the slayer sigil in retail

yeah 2016 and eternal are so obviously 90% repurposed from other projects they pulled from

[hushed vault]

it was also originally blue

[lament girder]

wouldn't surprise me if the hell levels were once literal desert levels

[hushed vault]

the 2012 internal teaser had a parking garage in the background of one shot

and then there's the whole-ass intro animatic

[lament girder]

it's cool that we're getting more into the weeds of what really went down with those past iterations of the game

it looks cooler than 2016 imho

[hushed vault]

I really loved the freaky chaingun demon in the teaser

[lament girder]

yes omg

[hushed vault]

and again, the Summoner was literally called the Arch-Vile at one point

[lament girder]

the way it ran towards the camera was really unsettling

[hushed vault]

they weren't afraid to take massive liberties with the demons

a step further from what 3 did

[lament girder]

i rember when the imps used to look like smaller hell knights before the final design

the purple and orange was really odd i thought

[hushed vault]

I can only assume the final product turned out the way it was in an attempt to pivot more towards the community

[lament girder]

one thing i like about eternal is how it took those middle-of-the-road 'classic doom but not quite' designs from 2016 and just made them look more classic

yeah

the 2016 baron was great though. not a fan of the fireborne baron as cool as it may look

[proper ermine]

Oh yeah it was great but then it lost a bit of its terrifying tone and went full retro

[hushed vault]

the E3 2015 gameplay had that "echo device" thing the player character used to playback the hologram recordings

[lament girder]

ehhh i never thought 2016's monsters looked horrific

[proper ermine]

I feel like dom 2016 nailed the designs aside from a few like the blaster soldier imo

[lament girder]

plus eternal reuses the model meshes so they're mostly the same sans a few differences like the imp having more spikes

[hushed vault]

I love that early Imp design used up until like 2013 or so too

the one that was basically a Prowler-esque teleporting demon in Doom 4 1.0

[lament girder]

yeah consolidating the prowler and imp into one single enemy seemed really cool

[proper ermine]

And cacodemon had a pupil

[lament girder]

that's a texture edit, the actual model is the exact same

[proper ermine]

The only drastic differences were the zombies (which were just generic) and the blaster soldiers

[hushed vault]

I think the 2012 iteration still would've had some sprinkle of frantic combat if the whole punch montage bit is anything to go by

[lament girder]

i like both zombie designs, 2016's because of how malformed they look and how there's variants
eternal's because they look like actual hell zombies with the thin bodyframe, sunken eyes and pentagram on their foreheads. doom 3 had a similar design

[hushed vault]

I really want the whole QuakeCon 2014 reel to be released

the old orange HUD was still present at that point

[lament girder]

yes

were you there for the showcase?

[hushed vault]

not at all

I was 9 in 2014

[lament girder]

i remember mentions of a level that was cut from the game

[hushed vault]

there's a very small clip of it, the bit with the Cyberdemon and an early version of the Revenant player death sequence in Foundry

[lament girder]

there were screenshots datamined from the online alpha that belonged to levels not used in the final game with codenames 'titan', 'crash', etc

[hushed vault]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCTuOSIw2Iw

[lament girder]

the cyberdemon in 2016 is one of my least favorite designs in the entire game. would not be surprised to find it was repurposed from some other project

also marty stratton... -_- sigh

[hushed vault]

you can tell which designs were retained from earlier versions and which designs came in near the end

the aforementioned Summoner being the Arch-Vile for one

[lament girder]

yeah. the game has like 3 different artstyles for the monsters lmao

lost soul, hell razer, summoner / pinky, cacodemon, mastermind, cyberdemon and mancubus / hell knight, baron, revenant

the caco and mancubus have the same mouths

[hushed vault]

the Hell Razers were initially just soldier variants circa 2015

[lament girder]

yeah for the kadingir demo iirc. god how i miss the thunder and the green fog

THAT was atmospheric

the actual level just plays like an action game

[hushed vault]

I remember reading how people complained about Hell being piss yellow lmao

[lament girder]

yeah tbf the game did need color

and instead of making hell piss yellow they made it orange in response lmao

a lot of 2016 is either orange or blue actually

[hushed vault]

I think the Slayer grunts in Eternal are downpitched versions of grunt noises from the 2016 closed alpha

the chainsaw apparently had a "super chainsaw" mode at one point going off of the HUD in the E3 2015 footage

no clue what that even would've been

[lament girder]

nah the grunts were rerecorded by their VA. they had the soldier's as placeholder for a while

[hushed vault]

it's a shame that most of the multiplayer-exclusive content just remained there permanently and didn't make it into Eternal in some fashion

I think the Immora troopers wielded one of the 2016 MP weapons and that's it

alongside the Prowler existing

[lament girder]

i think the prowler makes sense as a nightmare imp. the harvester missing doesn't hurt much imho not a very good design

[lament girder]

yeah they carried reapers

i love that design

i forgot 2016's multiplayer had a grenade launcher too lol

[hushed vault]

didn't VFR have some kind of mini BFG grenade launcher lmao

[lament girder]

i forgot VFR even existed ahahah

[hushed vault]

I never played it because I heard it didn't play well with Oculus hardware and also that it was kinda mid in general

I did like how it starred the guy whose upper half was used to unlock the BFG holding chamber

[halcyon bear]

They definitely are more on the horror side

[hushed vault]

honestly maybe the 2012-era stuff could be repurposed for something original if they're that afraid of negative reception

[lament girder]

i don't know about that. they clearly pull from classic doom for the most part and some of them look more alien than properly demonic

[lament girder]

yeah it has very mid gameplay

[lament girder]

yeah they've only repurposed 90% of the previous project for the final game lol i'd expect them to pull from that for quake or whatever else it is they're working on

[hushed vault]

shit, disturbing enemy designs could certainly work for a Quake 1 reboot

[lament girder]

mark my words that they're bringing back makyrs for quake

eternal mentioned makyrs undergoing a transformation that turns them into chthulian abominmations

[hushed vault]

I wouldn't entirely mind Quake being connected to modern Doom if that wasn't the only leg it had to stand on

[halcyon bear]

Well actually doom 2016 was heavily inspired by doom 3 according to behind the scene interviews with the devs

Which explains the darker tone

More gritty I'd say

[hushed vault]

like I said, the decision to aim towards classic probably happened late in development

they probably thought they'd get more traction from the community if they did that

[lament girder]

the only thing in the game that feels kenneth scott is the shotgun and some of the key art for the environments. maybe the revenant and the possessed too. the rest of it is so removed from any previous design it might as well be its own thing

[hushed vault]

but god the 2012 designs would leave me thinking "what the FUCK was that?!" if I saw them in-game

[lament girder]

i wish they'd have gone the whole 9 yards and made the roster seem more cohesive at least at a glance

like i mentioned earlier the artstyle clashes quite often and the only designs that pull from og are half-hearted and feel devoid of charm

[hushed vault]

I'd go even further with the organic flamethrowers concept for the Mancubus and give it fleshy mouth arms like 64's Pain Elemental

[lament girder]

also certain ones like the cyberdemon, mancubus and pinky like i mentioned just look bad imo

[hushed vault]

I've had this idea for a zombie enemy that threw grenades as an alternate attack like Half-Life 1's HECU for a little while

and design-wise it'd have multiple arms and one of the extra arms would throw the grenades

[halcyon bear]

I'd say the UAC complex in general aestheticly is very similar but I guess if you disagree that's up to you. But from the devs it heavily inspired what the UAC would be in doom 2016 and its general design

I don't believe the shotguns are close at all though. I guess they're both shiny and smooth lol

[fervent iron]

trying to get the online achievements is horrible

[atomic horizon]

The latter which is also present in the E3 2015 demo.

[snow heron]

The E3 demos didn't look that far off. Besides Imps looking like small Hell Knights and everything having a muddled greenish yellow shade over it

also E3 Foundry being really dark for some reason

[lament girder]

which is why they specified it was 'an early version' featuring a different sound for the revenant

[lament girder]

they were 1:1 to release in terms of graphic fidelity and whatnot but there's little things like the thunder cracking, the green fog and the choir in the hell demo that conveyed an effective atmosphere not present in the final game. the final area in-game just has an absurd amount of cinders flying

[atomic horizon]

The Plasma Rifle has the layout borrowed from Doom 3's counterpart.

[odd holly]

how do i see my frag grenade kills and chainsaw kills?

[cold root]

the outside sections of Mars in 2016 are like Doom 3's but higher quality

not to mention the Hell Knight looks like the Doom 3 one, not being a recolored Baron Of Hell

but that's more like it was made to make them distinct

[halcyon bear]

It really depends on luck and what time to get on. I'm sure if you hop on at a random time you'll get some luck

[odd holly]

im trying to beat the game on nightmare mode with only pistol, no arsenal upgrades, no preator suit upgrades, no runes, no grenades, no argent cells, no chainsaw and no gauss jumps

im currently at kadingir sanctum

i dont think ill be able to complete the whole game but i want to see how far i can go

[halcyon bear]

Thats horribly boring. Good luck

[odd holly]

its super hard too

the first fight in kadingir sanctum was really hard

it takes like 10 minutes to do that fight

[halcyon bear]

I mean there's other ways for a solid challenge but mad respect

[odd holly]

like which ones?

[halcyon bear]

You can do un or nightmare with restrictions on air control no upgrading key weapons or suit ect

[odd holly]

i havent beat un yet

i think farthest i got was to advanced research complex

[odd holly]

thats a pretty easy challenge though

[odd holly]

one mancubus was staying still and not moving tho

he was glitched or something

[odd holly]

and not shooting

[odd holly]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V730sO1Pzg&ab_channel=Mackan

there isint any power ups in this fight which makes it even harder

[latent jewel]

lvl design wise it was probably a better move, not to make too claustrophobic all around maps, but from a realistic point of view lvl design maps don't have much sense -no dining rooms, no bathrooms -supposed ppl don't use these utilities on Mars anymore, I mean taking a shower would consume precious water amiright or at least some minimum utilitarian design to make the presence of a mars base credible -everything in the base is mostly metal blocks buildings build by creators in a rush to finish the game; I mean choosing the older Doom path was the easier way to develop the game

[latent jewel]

Doom 3 zombies were a lot better ideally and anthropologically speaking but they lack the destruction layers which is a recent technical innovation I think first implemented in D16; it strikes me odd why all D16 zombies are the same height and follow the same diet; probably are also all twins or clones

the hell the game does not even respect the modern cult of zombies that we see especially in movies, since they can die even faster than regular humans, one two shots and they are done; but this is not just the fault of D16 as most games also represent them as such, probably bc they would not represent much of a challenge to players from an entertainment perspective

[halcyon bear]

I think you're forgetting what these one two shot weapons are. There's a difference between a 9mm pistol and a pistol that fires kinetic slugs. Also if you mean classic doom zombies both of these types are demonic possessed zombies. Probably more similar to deadites than traditional Romero zombies

[latent jewel]

well whatever the excuse of a weapon that we got, the main idea is to implement as many enemies as possible at once on the screen and be able to kill hordes of weak enemies as fast as possible ; I doubt that the devs had any kind of scifi "realism" (in the sense of staying with the scifi culture) in mind when they designed zombies; I am just looking at Summer Game Fest from last year and all I see is a damn disaster in games industry (no wonder crowds kind of stopped of showing enthusiasm for newer games): lots of shooters in scifi or horror hellish environments artistic wise nice but gameplay wise all empty Serious Sam wanna be kill 90% of enemies in one shot it is like devs decided for the last 15 years to just have kids in mind whey they make gameplay designs; which is kind of ironic since most ppl presented at their shows are mostly some sort of "adults"

zombies also dies very fast from normal bullets or shotgun shots faster than humans die irl actually; other than their behave and look their presence is anti-thetically to the so-called cinematic culture around zombies

[wet halo]

Kay

[halcyon bear]

Ya sounds like you're not having a good time. Unfortunate

[fervent iron]

yeah, i overreacted. There are still some modes that are alive, i got the base ones already

[latent jewel]

I have very good time unfortunately gaming industry does not

[halcyon bear]

I know it's pretty discouraging but I mean the game play is pretty worth it. I always have a good time online when I find a match

[halcyon bear]

Nice

[latent jewel]

playing online is a different story I was obviously making these observation in regard to sp

[halcyon bear]

Ya I was talking to the other guy

But ya I mean I'm sure you can find a few games with tanky enemies where you just stand there unleashing a clip and it dies eventually. Sounds riveting. Doesn't really work for doom though.

[fossil island]

Man i miss the MP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LL2IxuMVyY

Shotgun/SSG combo was (or still is?) insane :3

[halcyon bear]

It still is bro. We should play some day

[fossil island]

I would be down!

[cold fulcrum]

I'm still finding matches online tbf, hoping to grind out the multiplayer achievements haha

[tough raptor]

Any times for a first timer doom 2016 player doing ultra nightmare?

[snow heron]

Play Nightmare first. Run the levels enough your familiar with them

UN is identical to Nightmare UN just adds the perma death thing

[tough raptor]

Yeah one question @snow heron does dying in trials end a run?

[odd holly]

yes on ultra nightmare

not on nightmare

[limber shoal]

Charge rifle thingy x rocket launcher for me

Just a shame lags fuck me over from time to time....by this i mean like the teleporting grenade....i find it unusable because the delays are random...goes from 1-6 seconds

[snow heron]

Yes

[safe burrow]

Any tips for the rich get richer, blood fuelled and saving throw rune trials?

[odd holly]

can i see how many frag grenade and chainsaw kills i have somehow?

[fossil island]

No.

[winter stream]

There are values such as STAT_WEAPON_CHAINSAW_GK_KILLS and STAT_EQUIPMENT_FRAG_GRENADE_THROW_KILL that you can see in the enums list, but unsure of whether those values can be viewed or whether they reset for each time you load up the game.

[proper ermine]

Yall how do I play the demo on steam

[fossil island]

I reckon you download it and play it?!

[proper ermine]

Nah like I don't plan on buying doom 2016 rn but i heard there was a demo so I thought of playing the demo to see if my pc could run modern doom

[fossil island]

Like i said, just download the demo?!

[proper ermine]

Shit thanks I didn't see that

[fossil island]

lol ur welcome

[still lily]

that one guy that doesn't recommend lmao. get a new friend

[proper ermine]

wat does dat even mean

[still lily]

the list on the side, one of his friends disliked it lmao

[proper ermine]

Ah lmao

[halcyon bear]

Doesn't want to get 2016. Fucking sin

[proper ermine]

im broke rn aight i cant just spend my cash on a bunch of games doom 2016 looks great but i dont need it THAT much 🗿

[halcyon bear]

Makes sense bro

[proper ermine]

i guess i didnt word it right fr fr i want doom 2016 i just dont need it

[elder meadow]

Doom eternal has doom 1 and 2 + battlemode
Doom 2016 has mp and snap map

The real package

[latent jewel]

did they implement the computer in mp? bots?

[elder meadow]

idk

[latent jewel]

I have the game but did not bother to look into dm yet

[winter stream]

yeah, there's definitely bots in multiplayer

they can even be spawned in snapmap

[latent jewel]

nice now I only have to do the easy work like recreating d2 dm1 for d16 😄

[atomic horizon]

2016 having a demo but Eternal not having one sort of mirrors the situation between the original DOOM and DOOM II.

In fact, the demo was initially created as a nod to the shareware era.

[sturdy cobalt]

SNAPMAAAAAAAAP

[winter stream]

snipmip

[atomic horizon]

Sapnap

[proper ermine]

just got the demo lets go

finna hope my pc can run this shit

[proper ermine]

ALLL RIGHTY YO IT RUNS FINE JUST NEEDED TO GET SOME SETTINGS TO LOW BUT ITS GOOD

DECENT-ISH

yall how do i close doom without quitting the game

[hushed vault]

uhhh, alt tab I guess

[proper ermine]

ah aight thanks i'll try

god it's kinda nice might be better than my switch fr fr

nvm i just realized it doesnt even hit 30 but its fine ig

what's the best setting for the anti-aliasing?

legit dont know what it does cuz when i turned it off my frames got worse

nice frames are decently high at the lowest resolution

still not sure if it could ever run eternal tho

oh no what have i done i changed the graphics whatever to vulkan and it crashed and i cant get back in wtf

[proper ermine]

someone fucking help i cant play it anymore

[winter stream]

have to close the game if it crashes

[proper ermine]

[proper ermine]

wdym

[winter stream]

though switching to vulkan restarts the game anyways

[proper ermine]

yeah i switched to vulkan,it crashed,now i cant play it anymore

[fossil island]

Right click Doom > Properties > Set Launch Options > type in "+r_renderAPI 0" without qutoes.

That changes the render API back to OpenGL

[proper ermine]

aight i'll try that

[fossil island]

+r_renderapi 0

sry

after launching the game go into advanced menu and get sure opengl is set again. then change something to save the settings. quit doom and delete the command from the launch options

[proper ermine]

one sec im installing it cuz my dumbass deleted it💀

[fossil island]

[latent jewel]

you better ask for someone with steam to let you try the full game on your specs. I found a quite decent difference between D16 demo and final version -like demo did not work with vulkan support on my pc still opengl demo version gave me better fps than final version with vulkan

[latent jewel]

so you apparently have same pb I had, demo have broken vulkan support

seems

[snow heron]

There are a lot of videos on YouTube about running 2016 on low end potato computers

[latent jewel]

unless you would buy a laptop for gaming you won't have much success with this. even if it will work in the end with your laptop it will probable overheat and in due time you will have hw problems with it. did you use the +set devMode_enable command for launch option ?

this should bring your console -unless they disabled from the exe in demo

[fossil island]

Unless you want to play at absolute potato graphics (Screenshot from another game what i mean with "potato graphics") you cant get out much more of your hardware. 10-15FPS sounds horrible on lowest settings.
I really cant recommend buying the game...

With "normal console/config tweeks" you can get maybe 10-20 more FPS
But those will be shattered once you reach areas that are more demanding, especially in later levels that are way more open and have a lot more demons/action going on.

I reckon you have a better time subscribing to gamepass ultimate and play DOOM 2016 via Cloud Gaming, which would be like 12 bucks per month. But at the same time you get nice graphics, you dont need to worry if a game can run or not and you have a massive library of games to play. Even DOOM Eternal.

Only thing you need is a XBOX Controller (Or a PS4 Controller and emulate it as a XBOX Controller via DS4Windows), fairly good internet and 12 bucks per month.

[proper ermine]

So you're saying my pc might not perform the same and/or might perform worse in the final version?

[snow heron]

is this half-life 2?

[atomic horizon]

You know a game is great when I instantly recognise it’s Half-Life 2.

[proper ermine]

thanks! it works now

[proper ermine]

possible if yall check my test run in #videos? would love some info

[elder meadow]

Hii

I have a question does doom 2016 still have active people in the multiplayer ?

[proper ermine]

might have to wait quite a couple of minutes

[elder meadow]

Sometimes I wait hours and nothing happens

[proper ermine]

might be region based

[elder meadow]

Damn

[proper ermine]

prepare to move out ig

[grizzled belfry]

[latent jewel]

don't have suffieicnt data to assess for sure in every case, but yea, it might be; to me this happened demo only worked opengl with almost constant 60 fps now final version works with vulkan -which should increase performance they say and I have about 5-10 fps less on average on medium (some high) settings

while demo I put all on max

[proper ermine]

So the frames will significantly decrease in the final ver?

[latent jewel]

cant say for sure but this was my case ; but and there is but it might have the same pb that I hear abt other games which is that there are games optimized better for max graphics than for medium. have to check with everything on max when I go home

in any case since the gameplay in d16 is designed for fast action you will be more affected by low fps here rather than if you play dunno some resident evil reboot/remake whatever

this is why like I said if Id be you better invest in a new pc or laptop than to spend money on games that will run like crap

[proper ermine]

Aight

[latent jewel]

but the opposite is also true see if you really need new hw I could buy a new laptop with rtx 30smth and I tought that wtf would I play on it since all recent games from the last like 5 or 6 years are bad to my taste (designed for the common denominator kids or ungrown adults like I use to say)

better wait till you aford a new laptop or play older games man 🙂

[proper ermine]

Aight then

[opal shale]

Sure is.

[elder meadow]

All games are on sale ima get em

[halcyon bear]

Good idea

[proper ermine]

Nah like fr tho the entire doom franchise costs a single game for the switch no way that ain't crazy

[opal shale]

One of the major downers with Nintendo is their lack of sales and price drops. It's the sole reason I never bought a Nintendo Switch Lite.

[elder meadow]

yeah it sucks

like i have a switch but doom eternal...

50 euros😭

[elder meadow]

I have a question. in doom 2016, can you make snapmap multi level campaigns using a classic module?
Because I have a steam deck, a pc and an xbox series s, and I want to make a custom snapmap game in doom 2016

possibly a game based on a movie based on a game 😛

[winter stream]

You can make any map multi-level. It just uses the Next Map settings

You have to publish the next map first, then go into your previous map and find the next map in published maps

[elder meadow]

I want to use classic doom assets for my doom project

in snapmap

[winter stream]

There's quite a few of those

Classic modules, classic props

[elder meadow]

even the graphics?

[winter stream]

Not the demons and player model, no

[elder meadow]

what about the rest of the level design?

like the walls stairs and switches

[winter stream]

Yeah there's classic switches

And blocking volumes can use classic textures

And like I said, there's plenty of classic modules

[elder meadow]

even sfx and animations

🙂

just like you said 😄

[winter stream]

Animations?

#videos message

For an example of a custom classic level

[proper ermine]

Shit sucks fr fr

[snow heron]

For what it is the Eternal port to Switch is pretty damn good

Panic Button did a fantastic job given what they had to work with

[elder meadow]

The price💀

[turbid relic]

on argent energy facility nightmare

feelin' good about this run

[proper ermine]

Yes I have to admit panic button did an amazing job but I blame nintendo for giving us an ass console fr fr

[river wing]

Loved scaling the Argent Tower. Idk why people hate it. And no, i didn't use a single guide while scaling.

Also kadignir sanctum looks so fucking cool. I'm stuck there currently 🫥

[halcyon bear]

I actually really enjoyed it also. Esthetically

[river wing]

Same! Loved it

[latent jewel]

||There are so many inconsistencies and errors in D16 that is really crazy. There is no way this is a finished product. In the very beginning before rip and tear animation very first second of the game you can see a frame showing the hands of the protagonist appearing from nowhere. If I am not mistaken they are already gloves on. When you pick up the suit, the panel that you throw after talking to doctor (Haynes?) will sometimes quite often as a matter of fact be transparent. Try looking through after the animation ends and you will clearly see that it is not supposed to be that way. One minute later when you pick up the shotgun from the torso of a body you open the door and shoot the first imp, the legs of the same body who lie 1 m away practically dissappear in front of your eyes. In the elevator who bring you to the surface the devs did not even bother to finish the animation when you hit the panel (you can see this if you activate weapon inspection) -this last is not really a bug but more abt how cheap they build the interaction. Abt weapons grenades you pick them from crates but then they reload like it would be some sort of energetic fuel. Map design wise second map you pick up the weapon from a secret place and 2 minutes later you find the same weapon in the progression. Like someone said on stream, "that's the gun you got at the secret tunnel (so much for thats secret, special thing lol)". When exiting the 1st map which is crash site you enter the facility, but the exist panel says "Exit the facility". Should it not say "enter the facility?" the streamer asked. 2nd map when you use the hand of a dead man to scan the hand is wearing a glove. "I don't think that this is how scanning works", said the streamer (House of Kruge). It is only the second lvl and the sh1tshow doesn't end.||

[hushed vault]

is this some kind of copypasta or

I do think 2016 has a fair bit of holes in it but not for those reasons

[latent jewel]

I wrote it but don't know how to implement smaller chars

[hushed vault]

moreso in the way that the plot was finalized late in development and it shows if you look close enough

[snow heron]

The switch is a handheld so there are going to be limitations to its hardware. It’s not an ass console just some of the games being ported to it push the hardware to its upmost limits

Nintendo does need to make a proper new console though

[atomic horizon]

I once did a glory kill in Foundry only to clip through a wall. I then walked to see if I can get back to the bounds, but then I fell off the world and died.

[halcyon bear]

Ya completely disagree and a false rant in general

More words never means right and I don't think ive disagreed with so many bs Sentences in my life

Can tell this person has very little knowledge of doom 2016 which is sad. Hope he gets more informed for the future

But for your point with weird animations true. The rip and tear table section you don't have a actual body

Just arms and feet

But ya generally this rant is very nitpicky and unnecessary. Gernade refueling makes sense because it makes gameplay more fluid ( plus one gernade type is "energy") I see what you're trying to say but I think you need more hours in the game

For the whole you get the weapon later. Why find it twice.. ya many times I've had to help people find the weapon a second time because they miss its first pick up. If you want to give your negative perspective of 2016 some legs weapon balance would be a good place to start rather than a rant about completely insignificant nit picks

[elder meadow]

Alright starting 2016, gonna be weird switch from eternal controls to 16

[wraith tangle]

dude it's not possible for there to be multiple weapons. It's like the army said about the m1 garand, "There are none other like it, and this one is mine"

[latent jewel]

People used to complain in the past ie about Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines because bugs. Maybe those were justifiable observations but this is just nitpick because it is a big budget game. Tbh I found more bugs in this game than in that critically attacked game. Putting items in secret areas and then give them on the corridor 5 minutes later is bad design. You can see things like this at every step. Yes, nitpick. And I lost 70 hours in testing the first map bc I try to mod it but I also seen a few walkthroughs. You don't need to eat a food 100 times to realize if it has bad taste. or maybe if you swallow it for long enough you might think that it is good.

[wraith tangle]

It's also inconceivable that a future society with the tech to summon demons on mars would have scanning tech that works with gloves. I think that inconsistency really shows that this game just wasn't designed :(

Getting the plasma early is rather nice for a few fights. That's fine. A lot of these complaints are at worse, not problems, and at best, nowhere near any reasonable metric for how well the game plays

[latent jewel]

read more carefully. my observation was about regular grenades. which you would know if you played the game long enough. it does not have any sense to receive at every step nades if they magically teleport in your inventory -although admitedly one at a time

[wraith tangle]

Gougaru def has never thrown a regular grenade in doom and using regular grenades is definitely something that you have to play a lot to use

[latent jewel]

my complains are a good metric about the general disinterest or laziness on how they build the game in its entirety

[still lily]

70 hours to mod? skill issue sheesh. Idk what bugs you are talking about. practically the only one that has ever negatively effected anyone is the glory kill clipping bug. getting a weapon a little early is cool. especially on ultra nightmare.

[wraith tangle]

That equipment recharges? You can say it's a bad choice, but what does that have to do with laziness

I don't like that equipment recharges because it can promote waiting. But it's not a plothole. It's just a game mechanic. There are some lore reasons but the real reason is gameplay

[latent jewel]

a good dev should realize the contradiction if they would be more busy thinking abt things they just mindless throw inside the maps, instead playing themselves for hours on end like romero did, to "get good"

[wraith tangle]

The contradiction?

[latent jewel]

it is quite obvious that they put those tow options at different times and did not bother to remove one of the two

[still lily]

equipment recharging is good omg. it lets you stay on the move and have the grenade be a consistent ability in combat. ive never heard anyone complain about being able to blow up more stuff in a video game

[wraith tangle]

How can you have such toothless nitpicky criticisms and still have spelling errors? Careful not to throw letters mindlessly without thinking.

Doom just isn't a game particularly invested in perfect realism. Realism will always be sacrificed for the sake of gameplay -- in this case it is not even immersion breaking. Who cares if a seven year old game has some janky animations in the first scene? Does this matter at all?

[wraith tangle]

I dislike it for the same reason as recharging health in other games. It does promote waiting. But for a more minor feature like equipment, it doesn't really harm the gameplay too much to have it recharge instead of be earned like health is. It certainly is not a plothole, contradiction, or evidence of laziness.\

[winter stream]

Basically, if an ability takes longer than a few seconds to recharge, it should instead be recharged by engaging in the combat ie killing enemies

[halcyon bear]

Yup hate em. Unless it's siphon

Even then just not a fan

@wraith tangle 2k hours isn't enough. I need at least 5 or noob numbers

[latent jewel]

I am not native english speaker. I learned it on my own. So what is your point?

[snow heron]

What’s even the argument about?

[latent jewel]

in general ppl don't want to admit smth that even Hugo the games chief said that the gameplay is broken in D16

[snow heron]

Equipment was the most forgettable part of 2016 for me. The grenade has the splash damage of a fart and is borderline useless. The Siphon is slightly better but glory killing and with upgrades later on reap better health benefits. I forgot I had the hologram for 90% of the game

[latent jewel]

my additional arguments and explanations were abt the fact that I dont see a finished or polished product and that all small errors combined show a lack of enough interest on the part of the devs abt the game

[snow heron]

So to summarize are you saying that the devs didn’t care about 2016 because of the broken gameplay

[latent jewel]

but enough I dont want to occupy the entire space over things that cannot be changed anyway

[halcyon bear]

Ya honestly can't agree more with that. Don't really see a place for it. Nightmare maybe when you mess up

[halcyon bear]

Ya the amazing really fun and addictive gameplay is unfinished and bad.

Devs didn't care

[snow heron]

I’m trying to figure if that’s what baron was saying. I personally don’t agree. 2016 revived Doom and started the boomer shooter renaissance.

[halcyon bear]

Ya Absolutely. And I think the majority would agree with me. No use trying to convince one random ranting guy. Just a waste of time especially if they can't change their opinions

[latent jewel]

gameplay is exactly like this: open door x-animation for opening door -despawn enemies left behind -next room 3 imps spawn one 15 degree left to you the other two 45 degrees right at 89 units, make a few runs kill them walk forward 400 units -boom teleport noise, 1 hellknight spawning at 36 degree right 325 units from you and two imps on the upper platform at 30 degrees upward it is script after script after script after script. At least Doom 1 and 2 (considered inferior to D16 I guess?) dropped half of the monsters from the very beginning on the map and you had more time to calculate your approach. when they implemented teleporting monsters in the past it was to trap the player and scary him, but use same gimmick with every room one after another after another after another after another and you get what?? addictive gameplay? yes, you cannot convince me that in the end this is bad gameplay design. D16 have great animations and visuals and sound and detailed maps and well made weapons inspired from Doom 1 and 2. The engine is good on par with modern engines. But bad gameplay. Childish, terrible, horrendous. I suspect if ppl would encounter a game without the staple of Doom on it and lack everything I mentioned as good but having D16 gameplay, they would not give 2 cents on it. teleport after teleport after teleport after teleport after teleport after teleport. what can I say? this is genius gameplay design, nothing more

[hushed vault]

I think Eternal improves on many of 2016's gameplay issues

[halcyon bear]

Absolutely. They did a good job there. I really enjoy enemy weakpoints. Love to see more of that

[hushed vault]

also none of the weapon Masteries fuck up the gameplay loop hard like the SSG's did in 2016

[halcyon bear]

Ya and then we have rich get richer also. I still love to switch things up but I've seen plenty of playthroughs where we have someone just walking around with the monster of a ssg the whole game

Don't see the fun in that but sure go right ahead

[hushed vault]

also Eternal has actual good sound mixing where you can properly hear things that are close to you

[halcyon bear]

Never had any sound issues other than the glory kill glitch tbh

[hushed vault]

sometimes I wonder if the terrible sound mixing in 2016 was done on purpose because the devs had trouble balancing the difficulty otherwise

[halcyon bear]

Not really a audiophile so wasn't to effected or noticed any impact in my performance

[hushed vault]

I've died to so many Barons that were right behind me that I shouldn't have

[halcyon bear]

Hahahah I mean they aren't to hard to miss visually being the size of a small house and all

[hushed vault]

I'd have died less if I could y'know, hear them

I've fiddled with all the audio settings I could

it's not my hardware because if it were then Eternal would probably sound like shit on my end too

[halcyon bear]

Probably the main sound I'd like buffed would be imp fire balls. They seem to just disappear in the chaos

[hushed vault]

it's the only game I have on my PC that does this

[snow heron]

This is one of the most nonsensical stupid takes I’ve ever read for a game

[halcyon bear]

Projectiles in general. But I like to move around so much I don't think I have to many issues with being hit from behind

[quartz panther]

How is the doom slayer a marine in the reboot and enteral

like he was placed in the coffin, at the “start” of his human life

[hushed vault]

did you read the codexes

[latent jewel]

They spawn each time in the same place no replayability unless you just want to memorize all spawn positions for speedrun. Randomizing non essential items' position and monsters would have been so much better. Anyway which are in your opinion the best 3 favourite maps in the campaign? I think that the best maps are first intro- crash site, foundry and any hell map. The rest is just forgettable.

[snow heron]

Eternal spawns enemies in the same place as well though

[dim stag]

dude literally all the mars levels look nice from outside and inside

[proper ermine]

Then ig he's saying both are bad

[proper ermine]

Very fair

But it even if they made a new one its not like I could afford it anyway lmao

[elder meadow]

i just started 2016

[proper ermine]

Nice

[elder meadow]

aka i started like a month ago and didn’t finish the second level

but im gonna complete the game this week

[proper ermine]

Nice

[gaunt fox]

Hello guys! I want to get the platinum trophy for doom 2016. But There are not enough players on multiplayer. Are there some people that can help me?

[gaunt fox]

Anybode 🥹

[halcyon bear]

There's a couple servers you can join where you can find matches

[quartz panther]

No….

[hushed vault]

Go read them

[quartz panther]

I think doom 1,2, idk 3, 2016, and eternal are all connected according to my research and calculations

[hushed vault]

you forgot 64

[gaunt fox]

Anybody wants to help me with Doom 2016 platinum?

[elder meadow]

Died a couple of times but so far I'm doing good in ultra violence

It's weird not having dash

[wet halo]

how is 3 connected

[halcyon bear]

Doom 3?

[wet halo]

yes

[halcyon bear]

Hugo said it was Canon but with no explanation why but most likely a alternative universe

Since it takes place the same time as 2016

[latent jewel]

I agree that they look nice but they do not come out in the open with anything different from one another. By contrast intro is a bit of intro interiors then open areas the first time you actually walk on the surface of Mars in this game, does have an impact like every game's first map, foundry is mostly interiors, I like the fact that they added one very big hall in the center, and hell is again something completely different. Second map is a bit interesting bc they focused more on secret corridors but I don't see it particularly unique. The rest might be nice but are not memorable. I asked bc I am moding the campaign to make maps fun and different and gameplay closer to what they shown at E3 and it would be too much of a hassle to remove billions of scripts on maps which are kind of repetitive in terms of artistic direction (kind of less is more approach).

[quartz panther]

No

[hushed vault]

64 is part of the lore

64's ending leads into the flashbacks shown in Eternal

[quartz panther]

Different reality

[hushed vault]

no, it's not a different reality

it canonically takes place between 2 and 2016

[quartz panther]

But you don’t play as slayer

[acoustic sapphire]

I like to think they're connected by the Martian hero lore

[hushed vault]

you play as Doomguy, who becomes the Slayer after 64

when he meets the Night Sentinels

[wet halo]

Yeah what

[hushed vault]

and Samur guides him into the Divinity Machine in Taras Nabad

[wet halo]

Why wouldn’t 64 be canon

[quartz panther]

Oh wait so is 3 part of a different reality the

[hushed vault]

yeah

[quartz panther]

Ohhh okay

[quartz panther]

who put the marine into the coffin at the end of 64?

[hushed vault]

it didn't happen at the end of 64

just the general concept that he stayed in Hell forever

eventually he entered a portal to Sentinel Prime

as shown in Eternal's flashbacks

[halcyon bear]

After the God machine he became a unstoppable force. Hell couldn't stop him so they lured him into a hell temple then dropped it on him and then sealed him in the coffin by the hell priests

[quartz panther]

wait so he became a sentinel knight in between 64 and 2016

[hushed vault]

yeah

you'd have an easier time understanding this if you, y'know, played the modern games

[elder meadow]

What's the white sandbox cube for snap map

[raw salmon]

I'll party up with you sometime

[raw salmon]

I like to see it as a prequel, but even in that regard it still contradicts with a bunch of stuff

[quartz panther]

Sorry I only watched the old original movie

The dark fantasy one from the 80s

[hushed vault]

??????

what timeline are you living in

[boreal quartz]

Anyone else here search up how to get the bfg on their first play through

I remember being so confused

[winter stream]

What do you mean by that

[elder meadow]

Like in youtube videos I see a map where it's a blank white square where people spawn their demons and stuff

[snow heron]

Probably a map they made themselves specifically for showcasing stuff

[winter stream]

Like a grid room?

[elder meadow]

Yes

[still lily]

classic grid room.

but i use the regular gridroom cuz you can easily use decals, also i think its slightly bigger?

[elder meadow]

Thank you, and I imagine from there I can just mess around with the console to spawn the demons and such

[winter stream]

Yep, though any module can be used for that. Grid room is just a big convenient open space

[proper ermine]

How do I do that? How do I try the game on their steam account?

[gaunt fox]

So nice of you man!

I would like to inform you guys, that I have got the multiplayer trophies for Doom 2016 🥹

[proper ermine]

That's nice

[inner talon]

i Have all them in my hand

@quartz panther

[quartz panther]

🌮

[opal shale]

He backtracked on that though, and generally went with the different continuity angle. The question was asked on his Director's Play series in reference to an area of Blood Swamps being named after Betruger.

[halcyon bear]

That sounds about right

That being said it could fit in another timeline

Plus we all love betruger

Either way my point stands and it is canon

[opal shale]

He was excellent.

A really good antagonist.

[halcyon bear]

Absolutely

[wise cape]

truly would be nice to have him back, or at least someone similar (Dr. Guerard did feel like he tried to copy him, but with Guerard presenting himself as an ally before revealing his true intentions)

[latent jewel]

I don't know, talk to a friend who bought the game.

[snow heron]

Probably logging into there Steam account.

[elder meadow]

Replaying on UV, so hyped, such a good game

[honest musk]

is it me or doom 2016 demons aren't aggressive at all