I think the most pleasant twist is that Swann was trying to do the right thing, and The Board winds up horrified by what Betruger was doing and what teleporter experiments would lead to
#doom-3
slate gulch
vernal crest
exactly
supple gull
It's weird that the UAC has unlimited funds but uses government military personnel as PMCs
honest lynx
It's weird that the UAC has unlimited funds but uses government military personn...
UAC is basically just a group if companies that came together under one umbrella
Which explains all the money
But they most likely don't spend to much on making their one military wing if the government is happy to supply them
Companies love to skip corners not matter how wealthy they are
livid wharf
Cutting corners is part of how wealthy companies get wealthy in the first place
bright flicker
Bruh, big enemy, just pull out bfg
scenic stratus
Doom 3
cursive gulch
Yes, Jetstream sam
safe hare
Seriously how does one post pictures here ??
worldly cypress
Seriously how does one post pictures here ??
Because there is a channel called screenshots for that
safe hare
okok thanks
wide ivy
_ map game/cpuboss
half plank
vernal crest
livid wharf
Your will is strong, your cause is just, and your gun is very large
vernal crest
PFFFF
honest lynx
The future is now
honest lynx
Ain't the slayer
Love vr though
Almost makes the plasma look like the nailgun from FEAR
honest lynx
In this picture you posted. The plasma looks like the FEAR nailgun. Not saying it does in general. And yes I know. I picked it up first day launch in 2004
vernal crest
at least the plasma gun has a satisfying reloading sound
vernal crest
gotta ask, if you can, can you take a screenshot of Kelly's portrait where he killed the bear with his shotgun, the photo should be in his office
honest lynx
at least the plasma gun has a satisfying reloading sound
It's one of the best weapons in doom 3
honest lynx
Love the bfg video. Actually all the videos are pretty amazing
vernal crest
kinda cool how McNeil was put into the lead of the whole thing in ROE, despite her losing her PDA and knowing, pretty much everything
slim willow
gotta ask, if you can, can you take a screenshot of Kelly's portrait where he ki...
Is that image findable in the game files?
vernal crest
Is that image findable in the game files?
dunno, well it is on one of the Doom wiki's, but the image size is very small
it most likely is findable if I had to guess
honest lynx
I'll take a pic next time I'm on
vernal crest
scenic stratus
What the hell is that?
sharp trail
half plank
it its not supposed to be that thick
scenic stratus
Crazy technology
supple gull
Anyone else see the similarities that the Delta Labs levels have with Half-Life's Questionable Ethics chapter?
scenic stratus
hmm
safe hare
Looks so weird
dull wigeon
One of the few features from D3 Alpha I miss is zombies not dying from regular damage and they just get up again after a few seconds being knocked down. Just like Quake 1 zombies, and they only can be finished by gibbing.
I find funny how in retail there's headless zombies working fine, and yet they die from a few pistol bullets.
Alpha zombies could have been a serious menace in early levels when they appear in hordes, before the player had any explosive weapons or the chainsaw forcing him to move forward constantly.
And it would make the moment when you pick up the chainsawn more epic, cause now you can easily overpower them. Or also when you get the berserk powerup (if it was used more anyways).
honest lynx
I'd agree larger hordes would have added some spice
vernal crest
One of the few features from D3 Alpha I miss is zombies not dying from regular d...
I also wish that commando's retained the lines, although they do sound better in the final game, I wish that they still spoke like in the alpha
honest lynx
I also wish that commando's retained the lines, although they do sound better in...
Demons having glory kills also
Also the stealth sections
vernal crest
Y E S
livid wharf
I’m glad the stealth bits were cut. I just wish the game started throwing real opposition really early instead of over halfway through the game
vernal crest
well, stealth would be an optional thing
honest lynx
Yeah exactly. Or even an introduction to an enemy you just don't have the fire power to kill yet
Love the bird demon design which would have made a great baron
livid wharf
I have some unfinished code for a Doom 3 baron on my computer. I just took the Hell knight, made him bigger, and scaled his movement speed and reach accordingly. I’d like to also make him red but IDK how to do that
honest lynx
Oh yeah the red is a must
dull wigeon
I also wish that commando's retained the lines, although they do sound better in...
Some Commandos lines from the alpha sounds too cheesy as well.
They should speak more, but with short and direct sentences.
More threatening than "I can smell fear"
vernal crest
Some Commandos lines from the alpha sounds too cheesy as well.
They should spea...
well, it's Doom, it's always had a bit of cheesiness to it
livid wharf
I still want to put together a custom campaign for Doom 3 but still need to install the level editor and finish RoE. The main thing I want to do differently from the core campaign is have proper arenas from time to time. I’ve already put together some custom demons to add to the core cast and the lacking thing is aesthetic changes so they don’t look identical to the demons I used as templates. In particular I made the baron and an imp that throws hell knight fireballs (calling him the blight imp). I think I can make a pain elemental easily enough but I’m unsure if that’s really a good idea considering how miserable they are in Doom 2.
I agree on the “Doom should have cheesiness” thing. Doom 3 is tonally closer to Evil Dead 2 than the Exorcist or It anyway.
dull wigeon
I have some unfinished code for a Doom 3 baron on my computer. I just took the H...
When you finish RoE I think the Hell Hunters can be a good inspiration for the Barons of Hell, some of their abilities I mean
They also seems to be a related species after all
livid wharf
I figured that I’d go the route of later Doom games and have the baron use similar attacks to a hell knight minus the projectiles
I am also thinking about making a version of the Spider Mastermind by taking a vagary and replacing the telekinesis ability with chainguns. IDK how I’d attach chainguns to the model though
Alternatively I could have it rapid fire mini imp balls instead
dull wigeon
I still want to put together a custom campaign for Doom 3 but still need to inst...
In early stages of D3 development the Cacodemon was the Pain Elemental. They were able to spit lost souls at some point.
The mod Phobos has custom Pain Elemental npcs. A cool detail is they spit Forgotten Ones (the flaying skulls from RoE) while I think the Lost Souls of D3 still appears as separate entities
livid wharf
Actually I really like that. I think it would fit with the Doom 3 aesthetic more than cybernetics
Oh that’s neat
dull wigeon
I am also thinking about making a version of the Spider Mastermind by taking a v...
Or S.P could have both attacks?
The telekinesis thing was really cool back then, showing the physic quirks of the engine. It was very revolutionary in its time.
honest lynx
Actually I really like that. I think it would fit with the Doom 3 aesthetic more...
I think that's a huge aspect of the UAC and since the whole game takes place in a UAC facility not taking advantage of some of that techno horror would be a mistake
livid wharf
That’s true. I want to cut telekinesis for the mastermind because that in addition to a more direct attack seems way too oppressive (particularly for an enemy that isn’t even supported), and the chaingun/cyborg demon designs are cool but probably a bit too ambitious for what I’m trying to do, so an alternative that still works sounds like a better choice for me
supple gull
Also the stealth sections
Stealth sections would make the fanbase view the game as even more un-Doom than they already think it is.
honest lynx
Stealth sections would make the fanbase view the game as even more un-Doom than ...
Yeah but their opinions are stupid anyways
vernal crest
Yeah but their opinions are stupid anyways
and again, it would be an optional thing
honest lynx
Playing doom 3 slow and like a horror game basically already is optional. I definitely don't play it that way. I go full on John wick in 3 vr
vernal crest
imagine playing an fantasy game and it get's hate for having an optional melee
honest lynx
imagine playing an fantasy game and it get's hate for having an optional melee
People will always find a way to complain
vernal crest
People will always find a way to complain
no matter how stupid they may sound 
honest lynx
no matter how stupid they may sound <:doomguy_dead:242284429626703873>
It's okay to say hey I don't like doom 3 because it could use more large scale combat... but saying doom 3 slow... that's a you problem. I definitely don't play that way
livid wharf
I’d describe the pacing and difficulty curve slow but not the combat itself
slate gulch
Speaking of Barons when I looked in the map file for Delta 4 I was able to confirm something that I had heard. Since enemies are individually spawned and have their own parameters that are basically never changed, while Hell Knights are supposed to have 900 HP the first two you ever fight in the game I can confirm have 1400.
Because there's almost no monsters in the map and you can see they put their Health as 1400
If they actually had Barons and didn't have Hell Knights serving as the barons themselves, I imagine that is what they would have had. Which makes Sabaoth having 1750 even more questionable.
Although someone also did a Baron mod a very long time ago. They have horns.
supple gull
Yeah, they're a rare instance of enemies with changed parameters. Another instance earlier in the game is the zombie in MCU that attacks the guy on the walkway above in Energy Processing
slate gulch
I still have to do Phobos episode 2. Got sidetracked.
One thing I liked seeing is they made chainsaw zombies, which are internally called Sawyers, more common
They are zombies that are actually a threat and they're nearly as tough as Revenants and about on par with commandos
Although obviously they're still not as dangerous as them
Just means they should have used them more
The flaming one is called Bernie
supple gull
There's a lot of enemies they should've used more, instead of overusing Imps
slate gulch
Vulgars
I still never got what their deal was. I had to chalk it down to Betruger creating them because imps proved to be terrible troops
Suppose I'm glad they decided not to use that model for the Archvile
Ha, come to think of it if Betruger wasn't so destruction happy there would have been more people to turn into commandos
Oh wow, Kenneth Scott confirmed the cut Birdman really was supposed to be the baron
little raven
Very sad no barons
half axle
Stealth sections would make the fanbase view the game as even more un-Doom than ...
They should spend some time irl in Doom then lol
See how fast they run in fear for the nearest hiding place
cursive gulch
Stealth sections would make the fanbase view the game as even more un-Doom than ...
Because invisibility allowing the user to sneak by the demons never existed
livid wharf
I hate stealth sections. I get wanting the demons to be intimidating, but that just sounds frustrating and pace killing
Sections where you’re expected to run away aren’t nearly as bad since they keep the momentum and aren’t as easily derailed by ai jank
livid wharf
The best kind of stealth: you can’t be detected by the enemy if they’re all dead
plush tartan
Doom 3 vr is pretty bad is the actual game good?
livid wharf
Doom 3 is good. It has an unfortunately slow start but is super atmospheric and the combat is amazing once the game properly gets going
half plank
its bfg. but i just took a random image off google
bfg may look better but it has drawbacks. for example, you cant skip cutscenes
supple gull
So what occupation were fat zombies when they were human? Because there's not a single living human that looks like them
rose field
So what occupation were fat zombies when they were human? Because there's not a ...
mukbang youtubers
vernal crest
considering that the Doom Marine can punch people/zombies so hard their skin evaporates to their bones, and if he punches those bones they're gone all clean, it makes me wonder how it would look like if he did a glory kill 
plush tartan
Because it's on quest 2 and from sidequest so it's optimized but not well so it's just bad
I only have a quest 2 (well psvr too but that's a dumpster fire) so I can't get that many games
Unless they ate on sidequest I can't get them because I use sidequest mobile because I don't have a pc
Sorry it's a habit, I'm in so many group chats that message back I'm milliseconds so if I don't ping then the sentence just sounds weird
Shit sorry
I guess I just have bad wifi or frame rate them
K
And quest is with sidequest right? Or is it a meta game
Alr, well I'm have to get to school thanks for educating me on DOOM
midnight thistle
I’m scared for the archvile to first appear cause now he spawn enimies instead of just resurrecting them
I’ve got to the point where I killed the spider boss thing so now I expect the heavies to start showing up
vernal crest
||poor papa bear tho 
||
imagine getting your weapon (that was not mentioned in the main game xD) taken by some soul stealing dude with plot armor ||and nice pants||
granted, Sarge wasn't really the nicest man either ||and it was made back when DLC's/Expansion Packs weren't thought of until/after the games were released||
lmao
I still find it funny how both of the fanon wiki's proceed to call him an anti hero 
anti
the ROE guy
aka the protagonist
the guy in the picture is Sargent Kelly btw, the one that tells the Doom Marine what to do until demons get to him
the artifact does it all
I don't see why he would have PTSD
even in 2147 they can't pay you xD
supple gull
I don't see why he would have PTSD
Probably from the conflicts mentioned in the Doom 3 novels
vernal crest
Probably from the conflicts mentioned in the Doom 3 novels
what conflicts? also the novels tell a different story from the games ||and the third novel was never even published||
half axle
https://tenor.com/view/no-terryleahy-hell-no-i-dont-want-to-i-dont-wanna-gif-119...
This hair is so disappointing
It's almost, but not quite, meme-worthy
vernal crest
This hair is so disappointing
dull wigeon
I’m scared for the archvile to first appear cause now he spawn enimies instead o...
Be scare when he start spawn commandos
honest lynx
https://tenor.com/view/wait-what-dog-derp-dog-help-dog-wot-dog-oh-dog-gif-138037...
I think she means the dude doesn't have lush hair like betruger
supple gull
Berty barely had hair xD
vernal crest
wrong channel (sorry 
)
vernal crest
so your not with Dr palpatine the main villain of doom 3
wait, is Dr palpatine what you call Dr Betruger?
vernal crest
oh lmao
well tbh, it is a tough question (they both are great), but if you're talking about who's a better villain, then it's Betruger, but mainly because Samuel isn't really a villain at all
dull wigeon
Is Dr Betruger a better villain than Davoth?
Hell yes
He's a real Demon Lord
slate gulch
In Betruger's case Hell even seems to have been looking for someone to lead it
vernal crest
kinda funny but smart at the same time how they chose some old intelligent dude to lead it
honest lynx
im with Dr palpatine
Lame civvie joke
vernal crest
yeah, tbh it would also be cool if the Doom series got a spin-off that's basically Doom 3-like
honest lynx
Ps1 and 64 is still alot of action
vernal crest
Doom 3 also has action too
buoyant storm
Lame civvie joke
not shitting you for the longest time i though that was his name
and im just going to stick with it
vernal crest
and im just going to stick with it
buoyant storm
he heee its already to late
supple gull
yeah, tbh it would also be cool if the Doom series got a spin-off that's basical...
The closest is Doom Resurrection
vernal crest
The closest is Doom Resurrection
honest lynx
Sure that's definitely fair
dull wigeon
I wonder if the devs planned an additional sequence in the part where you can choose send the emergency transmission or not, but ultimately it was cut for some reason.
Considering it didn't affect the story or gameplay at all, except for certain characters response depending on what you do. When it was a major plot point for the first half of the game.
slim willow
I wouldn't be surprised if they had planned 2 endings in the beginning
crystal fiber
How do you fix the Soulcube spawn at the New game file?
I started a new game and i already have soulcube
honest lynx
I started a new game and i already have soulcube
You're playing on nightmare mode then
honest lynx
Is ultra violence normal game?
Veteran mode is UV in this game
honest lynx
No worries
livid wharf
I’m not enjoying RoE as much as I expected. It feels like the game has gone back to doing lots of ambushes like the opening of the original game but just with more/nastier demons rather than doing more interesting fights
honest lynx
I’m not enjoying RoE as much as I expected. It feels like the game has gone back...
Are you using the heart as much as possible?
Don't save that shit
It's not needed
There's souls everywhere
hollow mural
I played Doom 3 on the PS4, but I'm stuck at the part where I first encounter the turret, and it wouldn't let me deactivate the turret even after all the imps and zombies were killed. Any solutions?
honest lynx
I played Doom 3 on the PS4, but I'm stuck at the part where I first encounter th...
Go into the office directly infront of you. Go to the panel on your right and turn them off using the computer
hollow mural
Go into the office directly infront of you. Go to the panel on your right and tu...
That could work. Thanks
honest lynx
That could work. Thanks
No worries
livid wharf
I’ll try using the heart more
dull wigeon
Meanwhile I enjoy play through the whole campaign without using the heart at all 
honest lynx
Kinda sounds not fun honestly
half plank
shotgun only no artifact
dull wigeon
Kinda sounds not fun honestly
Is not fun in the first levels, but these aren't fun anyways artifact or not
honest lynx
Is not fun in the first levels, but these aren't fun anyways artifact or not
I enjoy punching the shit out of demons. But that's just me
livid wharf
I’m mostly just disappointed that RoE has gone with the pacing it has so far. I was hoping we’d be seeing more fights that have more than 2-3 demons.
dull wigeon
Yeah, I just love how enemies almost always spawn one by one.
And they need a few seconds before start attack, making them bait for the shotgun or chainsaw lol.
I wonder how the maps would play if someone can modified the spawn triggers to activate them at the same time, and reduce the cooldown of the demons.
livid wharf
I have downloaded the tools for custom maps so I want to try my hand at fights on the scale of the fights in Doom 2
supple gull
I hope Mark Caseon left in time before the demonic invasion
vernal crest
Dunno
civic pumice
So i've played and beaten Doom '16 and Doom Eternal, is Doom 3 any good or is it similar to the newer Doom games?
Or is Doom 3 more like classic Doom?
vernal crest
Or is Doom 3 more like classic Doom?
yeah it's more like the classic games, but with the addition of horror and.... some stuff that you unfortunately don't see in modern games
slate gulch
Definitely more like Doom 1 than anything else
civic pumice
yeah it's more like the classic games, but with the addition of horror and.... s...
wdym stuff you dont see in modern games?
vernal crest
I mean as in, stuff that the modern games (at least most) don't include, one of the things being the shadow play
worldly cypress
Or is Doom 3 more like classic Doom?
It's not like classic or modern Doom, it's its own thing really. It's more like a survival horror experience
vernal crest
it still has a lot of elements from classic Doom games
rose field
pretty much a spinoff in terms of gameplay if i'm correct
civic pumice
It's not like classic or modern Doom, it's its own thing really. It's more like ...
is it a good survival horror experience?
worldly cypress
I think it is, yes, but many would disagree
gentle mist
Planning to buy doom 3,from 1-10 how much is it good?
vernal crest
8.9/10 really
livid wharf
It’s not survival horror. It has a horror atmosphere and aesthetic but it’s still decidedly an action game where your main interaction with enemies is to shoot them
vernal crest
there's also a secret message if you don't quit Doom 3 on the bottom left corner which says "Player Decided To Kill More"
||Doom 3 is a very serious game that totally has no comedy whatso ever 
||
livid wharf
Yeah the tone is less “Alien” and more “Evil Dead”
vernal crest
fitting for Doom in my opinion
dull wigeon
Yeah the tone is less “Alien” and more “Evil Dead”
Kinda ironic by how the art direction is Giger-esque with all the enemies
I get the point yet D3 is more like the first Evil Dead movie than its sequels
You know an actual horror movie with cheesiness rather than a horror comedy
honest lynx
Kinda ironic by how the art direction is Giger-esque with all the enemies
The metal and flesh mix is just 
livid wharf
Finally encountering big fights in RoE. I have a few notes:
- Air supply finally has a clear purpose. The base game didn’t really do anything with it.
- Mancubi are tough bastards. I had to use headshots at point blank to kill him in 3 SSG shots
- The bullet time ability is a life saver and I keep forgetting to use it. Before that wasn’t a big deal, but it is now
supple gull
ROE has a lot of fast zombies
vernal crest
If you're still playing through ROE, I should just warn you of this one area that basically punishes the player if they become too relient of the artifact
livid wharf
Oh okay. I’m not using it all that much so I should be okay. Btw I love the SSG in this game; it’s so beefy.
silver cobalt
It's not like classic or modern Doom, it's its own thing really. It's more like ...
I buy DOOM games to make demons feel some pain
Not play a survival horror game
worldly cypress
You must do what you feel is right, of course
livid wharf
Again, this isn’t survival horror. Your prime directive is to kill demons. The main difference is that they’re a bit sneakier here and usually in relatively low numbers
If anything I’d say it’s a bit more tactical than typical Doom games
raven bridge
wasnt the 'marine' a private when he first came onto the mars base?
why they calling him 'corporal' at the ending cutscene?
dude got promoted for kicking demon ass
vernal crest
wasnt the 'marine' a private when he first came onto the mars base?
wait, when is he called "private"? all the game said about his background (before the ending) is that he was a replacement for another person who shipped back to earth, or am I forgetting something?
raven bridge
wait, when is he called "private"? all the game said about his background (befor...
sergeant calls him 'the ranking FNG'
in the beginning
im guessing FNG just means a recruit/private
vernal crest
FNG stands for "Fucking New Guy" (no I'm not joking)
raven bridge
yeah ik
I learned that in MW2
its weird the 'marine' most of the time
and now his rank is being used at the end
vernal crest
dude probably knows him or something, I dunno
raven bridge
maybe he was a corporal before coming to mars
vernal crest
most likely, after all he was a "replacement for another corporal" who shipped back to earth
safe hare
Replacement for caporal Allen from Bravo team
My headcannon is that Allen is the RoE marine, since the guy supposedly went nuts.
raven bridge
ok thanks
vernal crest
My headcannon is that Allen is the RoE marine, since the guy supposedly went nut...
LMAO
well, apparently it's stated that the ROE guy was interested in the ancient history
which means that there was a smol chance that he knew what the artifact was....
safe hare
Unlikely to me
vernal crest
true
safe hare
That being said, if he likes ancient history and since McNeil is an expert of ancient civilizations... maybe there's a ship to make
safe hare
Oh yeah
vernal crest
the dude looks older than her man 
safe hare
Hard to tell looking at her model
Anyway chill man
safe hare
Very well
safe hare
For real tho I don't mean to shock anybody
vernal crest
For real tho I don't mean to shock anybody
safe hare
Calm down with the gifs tho
viral briar
Since the launcher games are being moved to Steam, including the launcher-exclusive Doom 3 (2019) which was technically BFG Edition but with Doom 3 components only, I wonder if we’ll have four Doom 3 games (incl. the original separate RoE) at the end on Steam?
Or will the new version replace the BFG Edition? On the save data migration page of Bethesda’s website it mentions instructions of both Doom 3 BFG Edition and Doom 3 (2019)
versed estuary
None of that sounds good
Any sort of campaign co op would be insanely unbalanced
The hallways barely fit 1 marine let alone the absurd number of 4
You can ignore the classic doom stuff because the re release of doom 3 removes them, and the rereleases of the classic dooms already have all their wads
Horde mode would be cool but the chances of them bothering on a game most people don’t want to play is very slim
livid wharf
I think the best thing to do for the game is make campaign mods that do cool stuff with the possibility space and are better paced
Stuff like maps that give you a BFG and plenty of ammo then scale the encounters accordingly, and hallway crawls that have constant combat, and massive mazes that force the player to carve through hordes of demons that would make computers in 2005 cry
half plank
Any sort of campaign co op would be insanely unbalanced
The Xbox port did it fine. 
versed estuary
The Xbox port did it fine. <:revenantshrug:698862993433296989>
Did you play it?
half plank
The Xbox port did made the maps slightly wider and it works fine.
Even in 2005 your point was understood. Just needed tweaking, lol.
versed estuary
Unless it doubled or even tripled enemy count as well I highly doubt it “just worked fine”
half plank
Aight.
versed estuary
Doom 3 as is is a pretty damn easy game
Co op would make it easier
Also op was suggesting 4 player co op
half plank
versed estuary
4 players shotgun and pistol only
That’s how you balance it
half plank
Or invoke the evil 2 weapon limit.
Players can only switch weapons at co-op only inventory terminals or something.
versed estuary
Imagine getting stuck with pistol and chainsaw XD
half plank
Players also can't have duplicate weapons. So everyone has to work together to use the whole arsenal.
And boosted enemy counts.
livid wharf
I’d rather add tons of enemies instead tbh. Then again I also have been thinking about making levels with Doom 2 size encounters
versed estuary
All this would be easier if the non canceled doom 4 had happened
That had much wider areas
Perfect for swarms
livid wharf
I think a large outdoor arena that spawns 30 cacos and a few imps at the edges would be a great way to make a tense fight. From every direction mind you, so no running behind cover to camp out there
This should work with a modded level just fine
versed estuary
Uh let’s add cover
Some broken walls
To bob and weave around
That many projectiles without any cover would just be death
livid wharf
Sure but not cover you could stay behind for more than a minute
versed estuary
Well obviously
After all the enemies are in a circle around you
So you want to dive between cover as you pick them off
livid wharf
I want to make levels where encounters on this scale are fairly common
Though with generally more diverse demon hordes ofc
Should probably beef up the weapons a bit so the player can keep up
livid wharf
Who attacks me right as I’m about to take the monorail?
In particular why did he take multiple belts from the chaingun and half a dozen point blank SSG shots without dying?
Wait he only takes damage if you hit his heart. Got it
slate gulch
RoE and its actual boss fights
supple gull
It's the Berserk Hunter
livid wharf
Yeah I killed him. Is Helltime just gone now or is there a way to toggle them?
dull wigeon
The powers?
They're just activated at the same time
And yes, it's broken as it sounds 
livid wharf
……holy shit that’s insane
dull wigeon
Just wait for the last one
livid wharf
Oh I imagine
dull wigeon
Someone else think Id should bring back the Hell Hunters for future games/expansions? Or at least their designs.
They already used D3 HellKnight look for the current games. And Hell Hunters are variations of that, with all their infernal beauty and grace.
I especially like Berserk, and the glowing symbols on his skin
livid wharf
I’d love to see vulgars come back
dull wigeon
There's a lot of amazing creatures designs from D3 they could use in the future.
Maggots are other possible candidates
livid wharf
Maggots are neat. I figure that Doom 3 arena fights (like in custom campaigns and such) should use groups of maggots to keep the player moving around the arena rather than sticking around one section
dull wigeon
That actually happens in the level where they're introduced, at the end of the level maggots ambush the player in a small room arena. Is a pretty tense bit of combat the first time you play D3.
mellow oxide
Any sort of campaign co op would be insanely unbalanced
Co-op might ruin the horror feel, but it's fun to do things with friends.
vernal crest
well the Xbox version had a Co-Op mode
mellow oxide
Yep, and it was fun.
I know it was only 2 players, but still it was fun
The difficulty can be increased in 4 players, by adding more enemies and such
at the end of the day co-op isn't about the challenge, it's about the fun you have with friends while at it.
all the stupid things you do.
honest lynx
Co op nightmare would be fun
dull wigeon
A weird fact about Doom 3 is that we never find enemies in ducts, which is a classic trope in horror. Missed opportunity in my opinion.
Funny enough there's a Imp variant that only move crawling and is never used in the base game. But appears a few times in the Lost Mission campaing.
I assume the Crawler Imp was intended for that kind of of situations.
supple gull
A weird fact about Doom 3 is that we never find enemies in ducts, which is a cla...
He's used in the Xbox version
dull wigeon
I didn't play that version (want to do it one day but don't own the og Xbox sadly)
I know there's some cool details added in that port. Like a scripted scene of Campbell killing an Arch-Vile in the CPU Complex.
livid wharf
I was personally glad when I figured out that the ducts were safe.
dull wigeon
I'm the only person who thinks D3 ducts are so aesthetically pleasant?
Like in games like Half-Life (which involves a lot of crawling in ducts) this kind of things are usually bland and sterile, or same looking to save effort.
While D3 ducts are extremely detailed, with tons of tubes going to somewhere, steam leaks, multiple layers of metal grilles, varied shadows and lighting tones. Is like the aesthetic of old cyberpunk movies as Akira
supple gull
Oh it works on the 360 incase you have one
dull wigeon
I'm a PS3 player 
livid wharf
I think I just realized why there aren’t any demons in the vent. Doomguy himself is the terror in the vents
slate gulch
The one time a maggot was up there
Then you expect cherubs or trites in them. They never really do it but they make you think they will
dull wigeon
Actually a Trite shadow can be seen in a duct right before they show the first time.
And Lost Souls. They appear through ducts many times
supple gull
They should've used the crawling Imp for vent encounters
supple gull
Btw it's funny how Ian McCormick is safe and sound in the open without any protection
dull wigeon
He has a pistol!
Which you can take and leave him defenseless
There's two occasions when kill a friendly npc result in a punishment by throw extra monsters at you.
The part on Alpha Labs with a scientist trapped in a chamber, you can release or kill him, but if you do the last thing some Z-Secs comes from nowere.
And the other time this happen is in Site 3, if you kill Pierce Rogers an Arch-Vile spawn in the room.
supple gull
Oh I forgot about the pistol. But given all the strong demons being sent into the Delta Labs, I don't think that'll do him much good. Was expecting a sentry bot (which the Delta Labs seem to be completely devoid of, for some reason) to be watching over him.
dull wigeon
I assume they relied more on human security for that part of the base. Which could also explain the large number of Z-Secs and Commandos in Delta.
The sentry bots we find in the three campaigns are usually deployed in maintenance areas btw.
vernal crest
Well, it's why he died in the end I guess
stray marlin
Does anyone here think Doom 3 should get a remake or remaster?
versed estuary
I think as a game itself it is good as is
However I would like a modern sequel that uses the same sort of horror aesthetic
Combined with a bit of 2016 gameplay
But mix the map elements of classic doom with numerous paths. Doom 3 with destruction. And 2016 with openness
A horror type doom with a much more improved destructible demons mechanic would be insane
vernal crest
well Doom 3 is Doom with horror aspects, story, ext. So if it were to happened I could see it being Doom 2016 and Eternal but the part where you're a demi-god and the fast pacing would be removed
versed estuary
Good
little raven
doom 3 remake with trite glory kills
wait that would just be the ss3 spider kills
nevermind anything but that
vernal crest
1: I don't get it and 2: I would love to see a flashlight glory kill ||especially considering that the demons would dissolve in Doom Marine's hands||
versed estuary
He does not have super strength
They would have to be weapon based glory kill/ executions.
vernal crest
I guess it could be like a chainsaw?
raven bridge
they can remaster it as long you can have the flashlight in your hand with no weapon equip
versed estuary
Make a new game don’t remaster
livid wharf
I think upgrading or adding to the game is the realm of modders at this point
stray marlin
Which version of Doom 3 should I get the og xbox version, Resurrection of evil or Bfg edition for xbox 360?
rose field
Which version of Doom 3 should I get the og xbox version, Resurrection of evil o...
resurrection of evil is dlc if i'm right
but as for the bfg vs original question
livid wharf
Original. RoE is indeed DLC
rose field
from what i've seen people here tend to gravitate towards og, although bfg edition isn't necessarily worse
honest lynx
Vr best
livid wharf
The big differences are that BFG Edition largely reduced the gameplay impact of lighting and gutted what challenge existed in the original
honest lynx
Ps vr is bfg and it fixes any sort of immersion complaints
stray marlin
Just searched online the switch version of Doom 3 is the bfg edition but does it include the resurrection of evil dlc
Nevermind it does have resurrection of evil and another dlc included
Called lost mission
vernal crest
tho it does make the "only one survivor was found" note shown at the beginning of ROE kinda confusing, but it's gud ||there's even a mod for it||
supple gull
The "only one survivor" thing seems to have been made up by Nerve Software, as it's been retconned in both Doom Resurrection and Lost Mission.
vernal crest
true, plus there were other minor characters that could've survived, wiki even mentions one or two of them which had a good chance of surviving. However the games ending only show's the Doom Marine being rescued
supple gull
I highly believe that some like Krietman and Katayama could've definitely survived
vernal crest
yeah, and Ronald probably
livid wharf
Yeah I’ve always felt the “thousands of people on this base and literally one person survived” thing is a bit too ridiculous. Glad that is generally considered noncanon
dull wigeon
I guess we can explain the "retcon" to the beginning of RoE by think the Darkstar ship in the end of The Lost Mission was in the planet orbit and it just pick up Dr Mayers and the Bravo team marine at some point before the Doomguy defeat the Cyberdemon and destroy the hell hole.
Probably it was at the same time Doom Guy enter in Hell, by that time the marine team in Darkstar rescued many survivors as possible. But two days after the climax of the invasion, nodoby besides doomguy stay alive when Recon Zulu arrives in Mars and find the base destroyed
vernal crest
tho I wonder how Ian (McCormick) survived up until we meet him? He was working in the room with windows and only had a pistol (that you can take)
vernal crest
I guess we can explain the "retcon" to the beginning of RoE by think the Darksta...
that's the only theory we have so far
dull wigeon
tho I wonder how Ian (McCormick) survived up until we meet him? He was working i...
Plot Armor 
It's weird how the explosion in the Delta main portal apparently disintegrate people in the near range, but then you have that bloody party in the level 4 with people writting messages in the walls and two sawyers
I can't complain however. The setting of that part is really cool
livid wharf
I just got jumpscared by a pinky. I reflexively clicked as I jumped in my seat and the pinky died from shotgun poisoning. They really did the pinky dirty in Doom 3. It has an intimidating design and neat attack pattern but it just dies so easily
stray marlin
I've had a mind blown moment, Doom 3 and Dead space have a lot of similarities
And I love me some Dead space so maybe I'll love Doom 3 too
Well except for the fact Dead space is a third person horror game and Doom 3 is first person but they still have similarities more or less
vernal crest
Well except for the fact Dead space is a third person horror game and Doom 3 is ...
there's a cheat code that allows you to play with third person, but it's recommended that you play with first person
stray marlin
Anyone here play the dead space games?
honest lynx
Anyone here play the dead space games?
dull wigeon
I just got jumpscared by a pinky. I reflexively clicked as I jumped in my seat a...
A lot of D3 enemies could shine more if they had more health.
But hey at least Pinkies here aren't chainsaw bait as they were in classic Doom, that's a step ahead I guess.
Btw I wonder how a Doom 3 version of the Spectre should be. There's some mods for add it, but they're just invisible pinkies again and I don't think the cloak ability fits well with the loud beast that d3 Pinky is.
A Spectre for this game should have a totally different desing, in the same grade d3 HellKnights get their own desing instead of be copies of Baron's like they was in Doom II.
livid wharf
Doom 3 also just doesn’t have barons. I do have an unfinished file of a Doom 3 baron though. The main thing missing is the change to its iconic regal red color
safe hare
Anyone here play the dead space games?
I did
vernal crest
anyone else wish Swann and Campbell got more interactions with the Doom Marine? I feel like they would've been more memorable, likable and interesting if they had more interactions with him than just their final moments and when Elliot tells Marine to cancel the transmission
static nymph
guys why do people say doom 3 is the worse
vernal crest
it's mostly "newer" fans and it's because Doom 3 was a horror game (tho it's more of an action horror and it's pretty similar to the classic games)
safe hare
anyone else wish Swann and Campbell got more interactions with the Doom Marine? ...
With the marine I dunno, but with Betruger, Sarge or even just the two of them certainly
Well, they could have radio chatter with the marine if he decided to not call the fleet
vernal crest
yeah, that is if they had the radio thingy
would've been cool to also see that moment when corrupted Kelly injured Swann and attacked Jack later on
safe hare
Yeah the cutscenes animations aren't very elaborate when you think about it
At least for human characters
viral briar
it's mostly "newer" fans and it's because Doom 3 was a horror game (tho it's mor...
Can agree. When Doom 3 came out, everyone praised it.
vernal crest
Can agree. When Doom 3 came out, everyone praised it.
yeah, it sold double the copies that the original Doom did
viral briar
And got everyone upgrading their rigs.
viral briar
People criticise Doom 3 due to its horror theme, but have they seen the PlayStation port of Doom and Doom 64?
(Although Doom 64 connects to 2016 when Doom 3 on the other hand does not. However Doom 3 may be canon in some way, through an alternate timeline)
vernal crest
(Although Doom 64 connects to 2016 when Doom 3 on the other hand does not. Howev...
more of an AU (Alternative Universe) or something like that, since it's part of the multiverse now
supple gull
guys why do people say doom 3 is the worse
Because boomers don't like change
livid wharf
I’m going to be a bit more charitable to critics and say it’s because of the early game pacing
vernal crest
well, it takes it's time for a reason
livid wharf
I understand that the slowish start is intentional and all that. I’m just saying that it isn’t going to work for all players. Separately I think the slow part lasts about twice as long as it should
safe hare
yeah, it sold double the copies that the original Doom did
I mean The Force Awakens has been the most profitable SW movie ever when it came out
vernal crest
I haven't heard of it ||sorry||
half plank
I mean The Force Awakens has been the most profitable SW movie ever when it came...
Don't compare Betruger game to that
livid wharf
Somehow……… Palpatine has returned. By making friends with the demons and now he’s the general of Hell’s invasion army
honest lynx
it's mostly "newer" fans and it's because Doom 3 was a horror game (tho it's mor...
Yeah it's definitely not slow unless you're playing like a scared baby
livid wharf
I’d say the first 3ish hours are slow but that’s due to a lack of significant encounters more than anything else
Once the game starts actually throwing stuff at you it gets decently fast, but a lot of players got frustrated and left before that point
honest lynx
I’d say the first 3ish hours are slow but that’s due to a lack of significant en...
It's why I always recommend nightmare for a second playthrough
Far from slow even early on
livid wharf
With the knowledge from having actually played the full base game, I think I have a clearer idea of what I’d change in a hypothetical/modded revision of the base game:
-drastically reduce the damage of the soul cube. Maybe down to 200 damage so it still oneshots small fries but not the bigger enemies
-start cranking encounter size much earlier in the game, maybe around the vagary introduction
-use mid-high tier demons like the mancubus and vagary a bit more often and rely way less on imps
-Redesign the boss fights. All of them. The cyberdemon is in the worst state but I think the Guardian and Sabaoth fights both have a lot of room for improvement as well
-buff the shotgun’s range SLIGHTLY. Still let it be strictly close range, but give a bit of margin for error
Overall I really like the game but if the game had ended with the first Delta Labs visit I wouldn’t and the bosses were disappointing
dull wigeon
I think the combat should be much more imposing and tough as soon the player enter in Alpha Labs. By that point we already pass through 3 levels for introduce us to the combat and the basic mechanics.
Is still crazy think Mancubus is only used in just two levels of the whole campaign. The enemy placement and management in Doom 3 is one of its biggest problem.
Some content from RoE should be added as well? I would love to see the Bruiser in the og campaign.
supple gull
Enemy placement seems to be rushed in some levels, judging by the overuse of Imps.
safe hare
Don't compare Betruger game to *that*
Just sayin it isn't a good quality criteria
slim willow
cursive gulch
guys why do people say doom 3 is the worse
I've never seen anyone call doom 3 bad
I've only ever seen people complaining about people calling doom 3 bad
rose field
my friends said doom 3 looked like shit
that's all i've really seen online in terms of doom 3 hate
hushed abyss
doom 3 is bad||ass||
cursive gulch
my friends said doom 3 looked like shit
Of course it does, it was made 18 Years ago
vernal crest
||still looks better than some of the modern games||
honest lynx
that's all i've really seen online in terms of doom 3 hate
Me and a few buddies here have been dealing with doom 3 is bad comments on this channel for a couple years now
livid wharf
I definitely remember being told to skip 3 because of it being supposedly bad
honest lynx
I definitely remember being told to skip 3 because of it being supposedly bad
Yeah. When eternal dropped we would get haters here and me or one of my friends would destroy them
It was literally a daily thing
livid wharf
I think it’s one of the weaker Doom games but still good in its own right.
cloud crown
Ngl the doom 3 hate is one thing but what annoys me more is the "doom 3 is a good game but a bad doom game" comments
Like? It's not as fast paced as the other games but that's not enough to say it doesn't belong in the series
slate gulch
Its like Doom 93 in 2004 which is exactly what id said they intended
cloud crown
Classic doom is really either a horror-ish game or a power fantasy depending on how you play it
The former especially if you're playing keyboard only on dos or something
Doom 3 appeals to one branch of classic doom, 2016/eternal appeals to another
That's really all there is to it
slate gulch
Not really how you play it, Doom and Doom 2 have different pacing and level design
hazy sentinel
I did enjoy Doom 3 when I played it, but I would rather play the non-BFG versions
glossy parcel
my friends said doom 3 looked like shit
Eat them
supple gull
Doom 3 is just hated by the purists. Every fanbase has them, like Star Wars purists who hate the prequels because the heroes aren't underdogs fighting an empire.
half plank
I mean there are the tiny miniscule number of Mother 1 purists.
But I'm sure there are only like 4 of them.
and I'm sure that in 2145 when they finally localize 3 there will be people saying "fan translation or bust" or whatever
rose field
true
little raven
I mean there are the tiny miniscule number of Mother 1 purists.
Your mother
honest lynx
Your mother
Skinny mancubus
vernal crest
I hate the fact that I inagined it
honest lynx
I hate the fact that I inagined it
Don't Google it
vernal crest
Just did
that's the whole trap we always fall for, I even create some myself
||don't take a closer look at those statues when you're in hell's entrance, the ones that open their mouth||
half plank
Your mother
lmao
tribal scarab
Soooo noone is talking about doom 3 on da phone?
doom 3 has a phone version?
zinc thicket
That's what I was thinking
river trench
How to sum up doom 3 in a few words:
DOOM if it was a horror game
little raven
versed estuary
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/734102870215098401/971939986934992906/pro...
little raven
livid wharf
Doom 3 is if Doom were an action thriller. I hate when it gets called horror because horror is more than big creepy monsters or jumpscares. Horror is largely a genre built around fostering a sense of powerlessness in the audience. Doom 3 makes you quite powerful instead with decent movement speed, weapons with plenty of ammo that shred enemies, and regular access to healing
versed estuary
I mean doom as a franchise is horror
And while horror is a big aspect of doom 3
Saying “if doom was horror” is just false
Every doom has horror elements
livid wharf
Horror elements sure but it doesn’t have the thematic core of horror (and really shouldn’t). Horror as a genre is kinda incompatible with power fantasy as they’re trying to do opposite things.
half plank
no
versed estuary
U are thinking of pathetic horror
The more common type
Which is like outlast
I’m referring more to resident evil horror
You can have a power fantasy, and still have very much horror elements
And I’m talking hardcore horror elements
livid wharf
I’m thinking about stuff like early RE actually.
hushed abyss
You can have a power fantasy, and still have very much horror elements
Similar to Bloodborne.
scenic stratus
doom 3 has a phone version?
Yea but its shit imo
tribal scarab
Similar to Bloodborne.
Bloodborne is great and yeah, has horror elements but in my opinion isn't that scary
tribal scarab
Doom 3 is if Doom were an action thriller. I hate when it gets called horror bec...
if we can take a look about doom 3's lore we can say that this game is "if doomguy was a normal person" or "if you had to play doom as an ordinary person" because in doom 3 we're playing as a normal marine, not doomguy so we have to use specify items to take this big demons (bosses) down
tribal scarab
Yea but its shit imo
where can I get it?
livid wharf
Yeah “Doom if it starred a normal person” is a lot more accurate
tribal scarab
Yeah “Doom if it starred a normal person” is a lot more accurate
yeah, it is like that
vernal crest
if we can take a look about doom 3's lore we can say that this game is "if doomg...
You do know that DoomGuy was once a regular marine, until Doom 2016 right?
He also looks scared in the games cover of the first Doom game
tribal scarab
You do know that DoomGuy was once a regular marine, until Doom 2016 right?
maybe
theories are volatile
tribal scarab
He also looks scared in the games cover of the first Doom game
indeed he does
rose field
You do know that DoomGuy was once a regular marine, until Doom 2016 right?
he's a regular marine but he's probably peak human
he runs insanely fast and can tank things reasonably well
livid wharf
Doom 3 Doomguy is a clever and resourceful human with roughly normal human abilities.
Doom 1-2 Doomguy is more like Captain America: significantly more badass and capable than a normal soldier, but still very much mortal.
The Doom Slayer is a nigh-unstoppable demigod, slaughtering demons and gods alike while making it look almost easy
rose field
Doom 3 Doomguy is a clever and resourceful human with roughly normal human abili...
incredible explanation
scenic stratus
where can I get it?
Thru inteenet
vernal crest
all and all, they're all pretty much badasses ||if only we could find out what happened to Doom Marine's bag from the beginning||
little raven
Yeah “Doom if it starred a normal person” is a lot more accurate
Ahhhhh
Like everything but 2016 and eternal
versed estuary
Bloodborne is great and yeah, has horror elements but in my opinion isn't that s...
Do keep in mind
Scary is very very very subjective
However, some giant spider demon is 1000% in the realm. Of horrors
Being able to venture into hell is the realm of horror
Seeing demons and bodies is still horror
safe hare
all and all, they're all pretty much badasses ||if only we could find out what h...
They were brought to his quarters.
A shame the Phobos mod didn't do an easter egg on that.
vernal crest
shame we never got to see em too
tribal scarab
Do keep in mind
i just said my opinion as Bloodborne and doom series are my 2 fav games
so I'm kind of used to it
versed estuary
100% understandable
It’s just very common to hear people think horror is ONLY scary, and if it’s not scary it isn’t horror
When that’s not how it works
tribal scarab
it is horror
versed estuary
Especially those damn cherubs
tribal scarab
both games that we're talking about
walking in doom 3 through a tight corridor and then boom vent falls of from the wall on your left is horror
and ofc big spiders or beasts from Bloodborne are horror
just as I said they're not that scary for me
vernal crest
and the moment before you get to fight the cyberdemon is a good one too
safe hare
shame we never got to see em too
They're shown in the Phobos mod
vernal crest
in what mod?
vernal crest
oh Ik what mod you were talking about ||I don't think it's official thing tho||
tender totem
no doom 3
viral briar
Doom 3 Doomguy is a clever and resourceful human with roughly normal human abili...
Doom Slayer is the same person as the original Doomguy.
vernal crest
Doom Slayer is the same person as the original Doomguy.
yeah we know that, but we were just referring to them differently there to get to the point of when he was a human and when he became the demigod
stray marlin
I bought Doom 3 and Resurrection of evil as well yesterday
For the og xbox, couldn't find the Bfg edition for xbox 360 but I will eventually
viral briar
BFG Edition isn’t available for the Original Xbox, just Doom 3 in its original form.
half plank
BFG Edition isn’t available for the Original Xbox, just Doom 3 in its original f...
Well achstually( 🤓 ), the Xbox version is very different from the original PC version.
finite jay
Hello I'm new to the server
half plank
welcome to the dungeon, marine. most unexciting place on mars
honest lynx
Well achstually( 🤓 ), the Xbox version is very different from the original PC v...
Fucking legend 🔥
safe hare
oh Ik what mod you were talking about ||I don't think it's official thing tho||
of course it isn't official, but it's still a good DLC and has plenty of easter eggs
scenic stratus
is there an emulator for Xbox to run DooM 3 ?
half plank
if only
dull wigeon
Interesting see how in the Xbox port the whole hangar segment and the bioscan are now part of the cinematic intro, and the actual level begins in Mars City lobby.
supple gull
Yeah, for hardware reasons
bronze tree
is doom 3 worth buying ?
bronze tree
alright
livid wharf
Doom 3 isn’t quite as fast paced as the other titles but it’s still good. The first few levels are kinda weak but the 3rd act makes up for it
vernal crest
A quote to live by: every Doom game is good ||the movies on the other hand-||
dull wigeon
Doom Annihilation is good as a dvd movie with a budget of 4M can be.
The first Doom movie on the other hand has 0 excuses. Is just trash
vernal crest
I though that Annihilation didn't have much of a budget
dull wigeon
4 millions of bucks isn't that much. There's literally tv series with triple of the budget per episode.
Universal didn't have any confidence with a Doom project after the box office bomb that the first movie was. Even with the new popularity of D2016 and Eternal.
versed estuary
Every doom is doom, yet just slightly different enough to scratch a different itch
scenic stratus
original Doom3 (2004) on the left and Dhewm3 is on the right
why is there such a huge difference in textures?
(both engines use the same game files + graphics quality ultra for both)
honest lynx
4 millions of bucks isn't that much. There's literally tv series with triple of ...
The make the movies to keep the rights to it
It's in the contract
half plank
cant wait for the next terrible doom movie in 15 years
rose field
original Doom3 (2004) **on the left** and Dhewm3 is **on the right**
**why is t...
parallax mapping iirc
they add bumpmaps to the textures
half plank
original Doom3 (2004) **on the left** and Dhewm3 is **on the right**
**why is t...
because regular 3 has a glitch that doesnt let you set the graphics higher. you can edit something in the config file that lets it look like dhewm3
tribal scarab
https://i.imgur.com/Mz4lhzc.png
wow!
slim willow
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/734102870215098401/971939986934992906/pro...
Best pin
cursive gulch
Was that a bot?
vernal crest
?
viral briar
May still be. There’s this great mod named Doom 3 Phobos which was released in 2020.
slim willow
Was that a bot?
?
slim willow
is doom3 modding still alive?
A little bit
vernal crest
The only thing I know about Phobos is that Frank finally gets his lunch
edgy wedge
Could I get one more person to help with the 2 deaths 1 gun achievement
scenic stratus
What is Dhewm 3?
vernal crest
pretty sure it's something someone made to help run the game
devout pier
What is Dhewm 3?
is a source port for the 2004 release of DOOM 3
stuck star
What is Dhewm 3?
Dhewm Unlimited lmao
slim willow
Dhewm 3 never worked for me
gray nest
Betruger came to my house at 3AM!!! (GONE WRONG)
a wild betruger has appeared
slim willow
honest lynx
gray nest
slim willow
steady wasp
vernal crest
Betruger came to my house at 3AM!!! (GONE WRONG)
Why do I imagine the tumbnail being the ROE guy being shocked and running away from the dragon Betruger, pretty much the scene from the ending cutscene
lime phoenix
<:pogtruger:910316629148176474>
"My reaction to that information"
slim willow
lime phoenix
This dude changes his pfp a lot
scenic stratus
Yeah
gray nest
This dude changes his pfp a lot
I like your funny words magic man
slim willow
dull wigeon
One of my biggest disappointments about D3 is the almost total lack of combat interaction with other human npcs in the whole game.
Which is weird because the intro establish how there's two different kind of soldiers in the base, both with their own look, and the private security of UAC turns into the Z-Secs while the army Marines are still on your side. I even thought we'd actually meet up with the Bravo team at some point, or even in Delta Labs with the last remains of allies.
Is wasted opportunity to create segments with a different mood, having friendly soldiers to help and see them die in front of you. Being alone the whole time can be tedious, even for a horror game.
vernal crest
Although it would've been cool, after watching people make mods where you do get help from other soldiers was way too overpowered, as they would be doing all the work while the player could just sit back and relax (they also behave similarly to Z Sec's, which is kinda expected), and it kind of ruined the mood of Doom 3
honest lynx
One of my biggest disappointments about D3 is the almost total lack of combat in...
This is established by their rotation
Marines rotated more while security stayed longer
In pda files its shown those on the base are more effected by hell over time
dull wigeon
Although it would've been cool, after watching people make mods where you do get...
Pretty sure there ways to properly balance a squad mechanic. For example you had Quake 4 a game largely focused on battles with allies, but it never feel like the npcs can do all the job despite being useful, and the game had a pretty scary mood in many levels even with their presence
dull wigeon
In pda files its shown those on the base are more effected by hell over time
These are some of the most interesting parts about PDAs
Some audio logs are pretty haunting
safe hare
Pretty sure there ways to properly balance a squad mechanic. For example you had...
One big problem is also that the game is meant to feel claustrophobic, so the corridors are often narrow. That and the abundance of melee enemies after some point makes friendly fire pretty easy to stumble into.
subtle garnet
I just friendly fire when I see them any way
safe hare
It's more them who do the friendly fire. And if they have plasma rifles you die fast
subtle garnet
Yeah they dont know how to work those things very well
slim willow
safe hare
And their pathfinding kinda sucks, they can't jump obstacles of jump to a lower ground for example
supple prairie
Does anyone know why when I enter Doom 3 the game crashes?
latent ridge
Does anyone know why when I enter Doom 3 the game crashes?
download dhewm3 and play it on that
supple prairie
how i download dhewm3?
latent ridge
how i download dhewm3?
download dhewm3_1.5.1_win32.zip
right click doom 3 on steam, click properties, click local files, then browse local files and drag base and d3xp into the dhewm3 folder
supple prairie
how install it xd
latent ridge
right click doom 3 on steam, click properties, click local files, then browse lo...
@supple prairie like this
supple prairie
And if I have doom 3 on xbox app, can it also?
latent ridge
no
supple prairie
oh
scenic stratus
BFG has different graphics than the original right? Does BFG include the original or nah?
half plank
it does. but its also got a lot of changes. you can read about them here https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Doom_3:_BFG_Edition
there are more differences but some of the basic pros and cons are mentioned
scenic stratus
Oh great, thank you!
rocky bolt
Doom 3 was my first doom game
latent ridge
BFG has different graphics than the original right? Does BFG include the origina...
it has a different flashlight but thats about it
people complain about the game not being dark enough, but it looks fine
slim willow
BFG Edition has a better Nightmare mode and that's it really
I don't really consider better modern support a pro anymore with BFG Edition when you can use mods like Enhanced Edition on the OG version
gray nest
<:Malederp:910318594351595570>
slim willow
sharp trail
half plank
it has a different flashlight but thats about it
nah theres a lot under the hood like engine changes, rendering changes, and more. they even cut down enemy counts in maps.
honest lynx
VR
foggy gull
Haven't played the vr version but i liked the 3rd game in general
vernal crest
I did hear that the VR ver was pretty good
honest lynx
It is
vernal crest
kinda find it funny how the villains wiki states that Betrugers hobby is "Taunting the Marine/Doomguy", I mean the man has five days to waste until the fleet arrives so it makes sense for him to go "hmm I'm bored, I'm gonna bully the anime eyed Marine ."
honest lynx
scenic stratus
Its face is pretty creepy
scenic stratus
Does anyone here play Doom 3 Xbox Gamepass PC?
slim willow
https://imgur.com/a/aJh9D61
My reaction to this information:
slim willow
Might as well try make a Doom 3 multiplayer server
latent ridge
the mancubus in this game just looks sad
scenic stratus
It’s just fat Cthulhu
slate gulch
Cthulhu is 600 feet tall
livid wharf
Tiny Fat Cthulhu
scenic stratus
Mfw no mancubus emoji
vernal crest
indeed
strange valve
"Use us..."
honest lynx
https://www.reddit.com/r/Doom/comments/uu9k9i/world_first_soul_cube_from_doom_3/
Amazing
safe hare
Not mine huh ^^
honest lynx
honest lynx
Not mine huh ^^
I know. You can get it in etsy
safe hare
Or 3D print it
honest lynx
Or 3D print it
I'd rather get it from here. Very amazing quality I couldn't do
safe hare
As you like. Personally I'll print and paint my own.
honest lynx
You should. I'd buy it if looks decent. Keep me posted
safe hare
So you won't take the Etsy one ?
honest lynx
Honestly I really appreciate some work put into these for my collection. So I'd love to see yours 2. Real skill
safe hare
Well, I didn't think of selling my stuff. But remind me when I post my own ^^
honest lynx
Definitely will
mossy rover
online version of doom3 is weird
ngl
felt a bit different than the download/cd version-
slim willow
online version of doom3 is weird
ngl
felt a bit different than the download/cd v...
Wdym
You mean the free browser demo?
lapis breach
Bruh bought Doom 3 on my PC and my Switch... Never played it xD
honest lynx
👍
scenic stratus
Lol nice
broken onyx
vernal crest
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/310529390306000896/978419677002879037/doo...
This is what it looked like during the pride month, right? RIGHT?
rose field
probably lmao
livid wharf
Doom 3 is good. It’s not the best game but it’s still good
The main reason it gets a bad rap is that the first act is slow. It picks up after that.
half plank
cry harder
doomguy wasnt even a demigod in the 93 game.
wow youre a real badass arent you?
livid wharf
Incidentally I really want a mod that acts as a direct sequel to Doom 3 and does a similar thing with bigger fights that Doom 2 did to Doom 1.
half plank
gonna piss my pants
im shaking in my boots
your soul will burn in hell forever cheesy villain laugh
livid wharf
Imagine thinking that role playing as a badass will make your argument stronger instead of simply irritating everyone
half plank
nah hes got it under control. hes an S tier troll
livid wharf
In that case engaging is a waste of time. I’m going to go interact with people worth talking to
half plank
true!
safe hare
Incidentally I really want a mod that acts as a direct sequel to Doom 3 and does...
How's your map project going by the way ?
slim willow
Joins
Doom 3 bad
Refuses to elaborate
Leaves
half plank
sharp trail
Doom 3 is bad||ass😎||
vernal crest
Incidentally I really want a mod that acts as a direct sequel to Doom 3 and does...
Same
||glad to see that I didn't miss anything good 
||
livid wharf
To be honest I still haven’t finished RoE and am waiting until I beat that to start any Doom 3 mods
vernal crest
Good luck my friend, ||the time to whoop the old ma's ass is coming, even by a dude with plot armor||
livid wharf
I’m thinking big arenas and gauntlets with an onslaught of foes through entire levels Plutonia style
sharp anchor
Doom 3 is bad||ass😎||
latent ridge
Incidentally I really want a mod that acts as a direct sequel to Doom 3 and does...
ROE
honest lynx
Doom 3 is bad||ass😎||
Yes my child
scenic stratus
Lmao
Okay listen.
Doom 3 isn’t a bad game, I think. But what I can tell you all is that, Doom 3 focused more on horror than the gameplay. Doom 3 just doesn’t feel like Doom to me. It’s the worst of the Doom series, in that comparison. The game itself isn’t bad, but I don’t think it’s worthy of the Doom title, in my opinion.
versed estuary
Opinion is bad
It’s a doom through and through, it has every element of a doom game.
honest lynx
Doom 3 isn’t a bad game, I think. But what I can tell you all is that, Doom 3 fo...
Yeah I mean if it's your first time playing I can see why you'd play slow and like a horror game. But I've played doom 3 since release and I play it like a doom game. Super fast paced with quick swaps. Last run was 4 some hours of run and gun. It really depends on how you played and to me it sounds like you played it cautiously and slow unfortunately
I'd also suggest doing nightmare if you're not sure you can play it like a doom game. Nightmare forces you to do that
vernal crest
Doom 3 isn’t a bad game, I think. But what I can tell you all is that, Doom 3 fo...
slightly changing the formula doesn't mean it's a different tittle, hell even critics main negative about the game back then was that it was "too similar to the classic Doom games"
livid wharf
My only problem with Doom 3 personally is that it doesn’t throw enough at you, especially in the esrly levels. I’m not primarily talking about difficulty either, though the difficulty is a touch lacking. I’m more thinking about how much dead space is in the first handful of levels and how rarely big fights happen.
latent ridge
the game kinda starts picking up when pinkies are introduced
honest lynx
My only problem with Doom 3 personally is that it doesn’t throw enough at you, e...
Nightmare
That's my simple answer
Not only will these less enemy count not matter but the combat and movement becomes more intense
Veteran is laughable
slim willow
Nightmare (in BFG Edition) is the way to go for sure
I prefer it over Doom 2016's Nightmare bullshit
versed estuary
2016 ain’t balanced
slim willow
2016 ain’t balanced
Imp fireballs wildin
honest lynx
2016 ain’t balanced
Get gud
honest lynx
No amount of good changes the fact it’s not balance
Play wolf 2 on death incarnate. You'll know what not balanced is
versed estuary
Play wolf 2 on death incarnate. You'll know what not balanced is
I’ve played every cod on veteran. I know what not balanced is
Imps aim bot and a system where you cannot even remotely outheal damage is not balanced
honest lynx
I mean just don't get hit bra
I'd say wolf 2 is worse than cod vet. It's actual pain. I had to spend all my points making a super rifle just to survive. Don't even have a silenced pistol or anything
hazy sentinel
Play wolf 2 on death incarnate. You'll know what not balanced is
Or any of those Serious Sam modded campaigns on Serious (especially the BFE Premium Edition with its thousands of enemies in every level).
versed estuary
Modded <
scenic stratus
rose field
calling all doom 3 players
honest lynx
Nah dudes clearing brain damaged don't pick on him
half plank
I hope he gets better!
honest lynx
They usually don't
half plank
Sending thoughts and prayers! 😊 🙏
honest lynx
His phones broken though.... should have invested in a PDA scrub
half plank
His phones broken though.... should have invested in a PDA scrub
Chill out man. Do you really think someone with brain damage can make rational spending choices?
honest lynx
He's out here practicing bfg division doesn't even know doom 3 intro slaps harder
rose field
^
slim willow
Joins
Doom 3 bad
Refuses to elaborate
Leaves
half plank
I love people who enter #doom-3 to shit on the game for no reason and then never speak again!
honest lynx
Joins
Doom 3 bad
Refuses to elaborate
Leaves
He's just a troll bro
Probably hasn't played more than 3 seconds if at all.
half plank
playtime sittin at 4 minutes
slim willow
Didn't get past Mars City
half plank
couldnt figure out how to leave the starting room
fell of the ledge with the pushable crates
latent ridge
I love people who enter <#671685681013194753> to shit on the game for no reason ...
the satisfaction of seeing "Steam has downloaded: Doom 3" alone is enough to make the game good
half plank
yes!
pseudo barn
ok I just got warned for baiting because I said that Doom 3 sucked ass. I just wanna clarify, I wasn't baiting. I was just saying my opinion. I did not want to start an argument. I only wanted to speak my mind.
slate gulch
Wrong
half plank
Wrong
latent ridge
Wrong
rose field
Wrong
half plank
Pissing off Doom 3 fans is a sure fire way to be yelled at for 20 minutes.
versed estuary
ok I just got warned for baiting because I said that Doom 3 sucked ass. I just w...
One speaks their mind by actually saying why they think something. Not saying sucks ass and running.
Also. Sucks ass is reserved for actual bad games or broken games.neither of which refers to doom 3. You can not like doom 3. That’s valid. But sucks ass doesn’t apply. 90% of this games “problems” lie with the player
half plank
bob
latent ridge
doo@3 best game
slate gulch
Maybe Doom 3 doesn't like you either
half plank
thats what spideydan meant to say. he meant to say it was shit at being a bad game! because doom 3 is great!
slate gulch
latent ridge
doom 3 sucked at being unenjoyable
half plank
doom 3 sucked at being the worst doom
half plank
doom 3 did pretty good at being a good doom though. gotta admit
if i can say anything about it i can say it was pretty good at being a good game
latent ridge
Welcome to Mars, all new transfers need to check in at reception.
slate gulch
Doom 3 is based on Doom 1, ID says they achieved what they wanted, said they wanted to make it and were ready to quit when told they weren't going to, and made it exactly as they would have made Doom 1993 with 2004 technology. But when people are talking about Doom they always mean Doom 2
Doom 3 plays very similarly to the Doom of 1993
The game had monster closets, dark halls, flickering lights, and tormented souls
What do you mean no horror
slim willow
latent ridge
jpeg trite from doom 3
slate gulch
People who played it in 1993 probably had a very different experience from you, because I guarantee you when pixels and chiptunes were all there were people got scared
half plank
low res doom with opl2 music hits that spot
slim willow
midnight thistle
Doooooooom
hushed abyss
what happened? what'd I miss?
livid wharf
Imo having such horrific demons isn’t scary so much as it makes slaughtering them that much more satisfying. People who thought the game was aiming to be really scary apparently didn’t notice how hard Doom 3 works to put the player firmly in control of the situation at all times.
slim willow
what happened? what'd I miss?
Doom 3 bad
hushed abyss
Doom 3 bad
strange, I got no ping/notification.
ugh...of course. what was the original message?
vernal crest
basically another "Doom 3 bad " thing
sudden sun
Doom 3 good
honest lynx
Doom 3 good
🔥
wind current
Hello everybody.
I bought a "Doom 3: Bethesda.net Edition" and I can not it do work: the screen just blink and the game get out.
I already tried the support but they did not make it either. We looked all configurations and did not found any evidence of problem.
Does someone have some tip?
Thanks to everybody.
slim willow
strange, I got no ping/notification.
ugh...of course. what was the original mess...
It got deleted
That tough guy from before also deleted his bullshit
slim willow
Doom 3 good
scenic stratus
The plasma rifle is good to kill revenants
vernal crest
and it's reloading sounds 
azure boltBOT
@vital nymph Watch your language.
vital nymph
atleast not like those general chat users, not pointing any names cough cough
half plank
3 is both a lot like the other games and very different
i recommend it though. its neat
slate ravine
I’m confused what did The Great Slayer say to get warned
slim willow
scenic stratus
https://youtu.be/tgsg65_4gWs
and never forget this one https://youtu.be/n-BJQe7-E2g
it’s goddamn important
scenic stratus
i rather use Dhewm3 in 2022
slim willow
I prefer the Steam version because Dhewm3 doesn't work for me
scenic stratus
well, official 2004 binary is also good
only some textures are kinda poorly looking
honest lynx
<:madtruger:910316876939296789>
Yeah thats all I play
slim willow
I just tried out the 2019 re-release version on PC through the Xbox app and goddamn it's pretty broken
versed estuary
I just tried out the 2019 re-release version on PC through the Xbox app and godd...
Broken how?
slim willow
Well not extremely broken but some of the settings are scuffed and it crashed twice, and completely froze once
So i'll probably just stick with the OG Steam version unless i wanna do cross-progression with my Xbox and PC
versed estuary
Dam that sucks
honest lynx
Prequel honestly
livid wharf
Stand-alone reboot
livid wharf
My only major gripe is that the game takes too long to introduce the big fights. Incidentally I think a neat way to make the shotgun less pigeonholed into point blank without changing its overall role would be to triple the pellet count and reduce damage per pellet accordingly. That way the shotgun damage falloff would be about the same overall but less random (meaning using the shotgun at close but not point blank would be less than ideal but not as much of a dice roll)
I say stand-alone because regardless of whether Doom 3 is canon its character and events are completely irrelevant to the rest of the series
honest lynx
There's some great shotgun mods now. vrS shotgun is also great. Not to mention the sound
You can half room kill a imp
Which makes more sense
honest lynx
I say stand-alone because regardless of whether Doom 3 is canon its character an...
It was definitely intended to be a reboot
No doubt about that
livid wharf
Yeah. I tend to think it’s better to assess each game’s role in the series based on the context of the game when it released. Meaning that a dev who joined later deciding 10+ years after that Doom 3 is part of the main series canon has no bearing on Doom 3 itself. Same reasoning for why I treat Doom 1-2 as a separate canon from 2016/Eternal: different people telling a different story with different intent.
honest lynx
Well that doesn't really count
Because 2016 eternal had the Canon in mind when they were created
I guess that's your head Canon though
silent kettle
Has anybody got the mirror secret
honest lynx
Has anybody got the mirror secret
Made me shit myself as a kid
silent kettle
I believe it when I played and got it man I was so scared I couldn't stop thinking about it
livid wharf
Mirror secret?
silent kettle
Yeah after the hellspawn has been released go back to the bathroom and look in the mirror
silent kettle
Doomguys face turns into a skull almost though
livid wharf
Huh. Didn’t catch that
silent kettle
So doomguys face turns into a skull
livid wharf
Sometimes if you see yourself in a dimly lit mirror you’ll see your face look something like a skull. It’s your brain trying to fill in the blanks badly. Either way that’s a neat detail
silent kettle
Yes it is
livid wharf
Incidentally urban myths of seeing a specter in the mirror at night are a similar phenomenon. Your brain sees false patterns in shadows and interpret them as a face.
silent kettle
And there is fire behind him for some reason
Yes you go with your determination
That there is a face in the false patterns
livid wharf
In Doom 2 the thing where your character sprite doesn’t match the weapon you’re holding always weirds me out
silent kettle
It does me the same way
livid wharf
I know why they did it that way but I can’t help but feel like it’s off. Especially because the weapon in your sprite looks nothing like any of the guns you actually find in classic Doom
silent kettle
Exactly because it looks like a pixelated picture
livid wharf
Yeah. But in Blood or Duke 3D the sprite shows a recognizable weapon from the game. In Doom you seem to be holding a rifle but the early games had no such weapon
silent kettle
True
vernal crest
And there is fire behind him for some reason
a fun fact: apparently the red stuff that the Doom Marine sees through the game is hell attempting (and failing) to turn him into a zombie, the way people get turned into the zombies is, by theory, probably due to mental instability
livid wharf
I like to imagine that he’s just too angry to corrupt. That’s definitely not canon, but it’s a fun framing
vernal crest
who could blame him, first day on the work and he has to deal with hell itself for four days
silent kettle
a fun fact: apparently the red stuff that the Doom Marine sees through the game ...
Did not know that keep those doom facts coming
slim willow
Anybody wanna play doom
Doom 3 multiplayer?
plain roost
ye
slim willow
BFG Edition or OG?
slim willow
Aight
slim willow
I'll get on in like 5 minutes since i gotta quit Eternal
plain roost
ok
slim willow
Wait imma set up my mic
plain roost
okl
slim willow
Gg
slim willow
@honest lynx Did Doom 3 get shit on by the media back then like always for being "a violent video game"?
vernal crest
a lot of games would get shitted on for "being too violent", it's even happening today ||those damn Karens, not understanding what fantasy is 😒||
vernal crest
ok that made me laugh, thanks
honest lynx
<@500836044929892375> Did Doom 3 get shit on by the media back then like always ...
Nah. Doom fans loved it
Alot including me needed to upgrade our specs just to run it
But no. No one said it was violent
scenic stratus
even the classic ones probably got shitted on but since there was no social media back then, i doubt there were groups of people coming at some bar daily to rant about doom, there are no sources either other than real witnessing
livid wharf
Doom was released around the time the ESRB became a thing. I imagine it not only was blamed for irl violence but also swept up in the Satanic Panic
silent kettle
https://imgur.com/a/15BMi97
Yeah that's it
cloud crown
Doom was released around the time the ESRB became a thing. I imagine it not only...
Pretty sure Doom II was the first game to get an M rating
livid wharf
I’m pretty sure that was the original Mortal Kombat, which was roughly the same time period
Edit: looked it up and it was the Doom 1 SNES port
cloud crown
Makes sense lol
half plank
Doom was released around the time the ESRB became a thing. I imagine it not only...
Doom was blamed for violence numerous times and id Software even went to court.
livid wharf
IIRC MK1 was the one of the main games to spur on the creation of the ESRB
Back when fatalities were 80s action movie levels of gruesome instead of Saw gruesome
slate gulch
D&D in the 80s
Lead to them making 2nd Edition rename the Demons and Devils to Baatezu and Tanari'i and insisted they weren't from the Abyss and the Nine Hells but definitely are evil and from another dimension and hate each other
half plank
i love it when people blame media for terrible atrocities. its like, wow, this person was severely mentally ill, had easy access to weapons, but its the games fault!
slate gulch
This one trash comic pamphlet showing D&D players as capable of actual magic
slate gulch
They were the nerds before gaming and people treated their entire hobby as satanic instead of lame
You either a gamer or a lamer
half plank
why not both
honest lynx
If you want the name of the shit bag that started this campaign his name was Joe Lieberman
half plank
Joe?
slate gulch
I don't think he started the whole satanic panic
half plank
honest lynx
No the video games cause violence bs
Main reason for the esrb
Senator Joe Lieberman
slate gulch
I think he lives as an empty shell now
livid wharf
The core problem is that government and community leaders don’t want to acknowledge their part in the situations that create killers so they look for a convenient scapegoat
half plank
acknowledging the real issues would mean having to turn down lobbyists
livid wharf
Also acknowledging the real issues would mean admitting to wrongdoing, which is frowned upon in politics
scenic stratus
Its been 3
honest lynx
Doom 3 probably has some of the best doom guns
All.of them serve a different purpose and are useful
scenic stratus
You can shoot demons with them!
You can only shoot demons in Doom 3 with Doom 3 guns too
honest lynx
Really no meta which I enjoy
The plasma is just amazing. Probably the best one other than classic
livid wharf
Even the pistol?
honest lynx
Even the pistol?
I still like to use it to troll
cloud crown
All.of them serve a different purpose and are useful
Agreed
I just wish you had the BFG for longer
slim willow
The grenades are meh
honest lynx
When the boss hype is longer than the fight .. https://imgur.com/a/1qgUCwR
dull wigeon
Sabaoth fight in a nutshell