It's that simple
#doom-3
honest lynx
silk sigil
I wish there was a toggile in BFG to make it like the OG game.
Flashlight, ammo and such
Also the game is too fucking bright.
scenic stratus
Also the game is too fucking bright.
@silk sigil weird i thought that doom 3 was dark and was supposed to be scary
fair pebble
does the bfg edition actually have the bfg tho
carmine sonnet
...yes
vale sand
Dont know much about doom 3 but damn its main theme is catchy
fair pebble
and mick brought it back for harbinger
stable lake
and it's the best theme on the '16 OST imo
honest lynx
The band's called tweaker if anyone's interested
scenic stratus
is the steam version of doom 3 good?
are there better or cheaper versions of doom 3 on other platforms?
half plank
The 4.99 USD version is superior in most fans' opinion, it also has mod support, so go with that one.
You'll need a few console commands for widescreen and such though.
scenic stratus
what about mouse input?
half plank
mouse is solid
scenic stratus
all right. ever since i've disabled mouse acceleration, i've been vigilant about it. feels so good
half plank
basic commands:
r_aspectratio 1 (for 16:9)
r_mode -1
r_customwidth [width of screen resolution]
r_customheight [height of screen resolution]
then do
vid_restart
scenic stratus
r_mode?
half plank
open console with CTRL + SHIFT + ~ simultaneously.
scenic stratus
Gonb
half plank
r_mode is needed to tell the game to accept the commands
or something, i dunno, it's needed though
scenic stratus
so buy the $4.99 regular version and not the $19.99 bfg edition? double checking because im ready to complete the purchase
half plank
BFG Edition has no mod support, and really is only viable for console.
The expansion is 3.99 usd, and BFG edition's lost mission can be modded in. There, saved you money.
scenic stratus
ty
half plank
no problem
scenic stratus
Doom 3 original is also on Bethesda launcher that comes with expansions already, has widescreen support, and you can use controllers.
scenic stratus
It has both. Regular and BFG.
scenic stratus
Just an option, but not sure if the one on Bethesda is moddable like Steam.
half plank
who knows
scenic stratus
Nevermind, you are right about Doom 3 being the essentially same as BFG on Bethesda’s site. Confusing because the store has both titles, so thought re-release was same as original, just updated. It does offer skin for Eternal, which is something I wish Steam would get too.
scenic stratus
where do I download Perfect Doom 3 ?
honest lynx
No idea why the skin isnt a doom 3 marine. That would be tight
visual arch
why does every enemy look soo different from their appearances in doom 1 and 2
and they even look extremely off from even the doom 64 designd
like i swear to me pinkies look like robotic peepees
honest lynx
Archville is a bit similar. I believe they all look so different because they really tried for horror designs
deep basin
they ruined the pinkies imo
visual arch
archie looks like his doom 1&2 design quite a bit minus the tubes on his face
they ruined the pinkies imo
indeed
back then they looked like your stereotypical demon
then in doom 3 they look like a robotic peepee
honest lynx
The imp and hellknight design is fantastic though.
I like doom 3 imp more than the modern one. Which looks more cartoonish in my opinion
deep basin
doom 3 imp was noice
half plank
I prefer the modern and classic designs the best. The Doom 3 designs really only fit the world of Doom 3.
I'd redesign the caco too, and make the pinky, well, actually pink.
half plank
Ok, yeah, but most wouldn't.
half plank
Cacodemon is fine for the most part, it just needs to be reduced to 1 eye.
robust rover
Vulgar fit a lot with modern doom
honest lynx
It had shitty combat mechanics too. Felt like you were fighting a balloon. No meat in killing it
Vulgar would fit in an aliens video game maybe
half plank
A doom 3 spinoff sequel would kick ass, never gonna happen though.
Maybe even increase the speed a tad bit, maybe up to Quake II's level of speed.
Not too fast, but also not too slow.
deep basin
i think how slow the beginning was is what turned most players away from it
half plank
Yep, a start straight into action with maybe a small cutscene is what works best.
RoE proved that well.
deep basin
as did 2016
fair pebble
Cacodemon is fine for the most part, it just needs to be reduced to 1 eye.
i thought cacodemons always had only one eye
or are you talking about the d3 one
jaunty turret
Guess
visual arch
why dont cacodemons have a single eye in d3
i liked the little cyclops tomats more back in doom 2
agile bridge
You can find one eyed cacos pain elementals 2 horned lost souls like Doom2 also green barons of hell in the perfected doom 3 mods
honest lynx
Definitely
covert anchor
Yeah, the only way to play the original doom 3 is on PC
Unless you count the og xbox port
manic iron
I actually like the pinkies design in doom 3
only designs I don't like in doom 3 are the cacos, imps and archviles
versed estuary
I like the pinkies mostly because they are functional
Can’t have huge lumbering pinkies in tight hallways and turns
scenic stratus
is this the sleepiest channel on the server or can I join a sort of Doom 3 fan cult
half plank
Hmm, Doom 3 cult? 
scenic stratus
no
jade kayak
is there a way to edit a pak4 file?
scenic stratus
no
honest lynx
Hmm, Doom 3 cult?
@half plank yes
scenic stratus
nvm, didn't need to scroll up that much to find them
brazen pawn
doom 3 should have intro like dead effect would be cool
ancient trail
my worst nightmare happened to me again
i'm stuck in a place far away from the quest point with 2 hp left
loud fog
Pain
outer osprey
Ok so what does the BFG edition add to Doom 3?
visual arch
dom 1 and 2
honest lynx
@outer osprey More ammo. Brighter maps. The lost missions dlc
Also dont need to hold a flashlight
It's on your shoulder and can be toggled
visual arch
and also doom 1 and 2
outer osprey
Nice but what do you suggest guys, should i get it or just Doom 3?
honest lynx
If it's your first time playing, orginal is the best first experience since bfg removes the intended horror aspect for a more fast paced experience
outer osprey
Tbh i played Doom 3
honest lynx
I prefer bfg now personally. I'd go with that
outer osprey
alright thanks
outer osprey
Wait why?
half plank
No
Actually, if you aren't a boomer purist who wants mods, go bfg, it's easiest to setup anyways...
ashen falcon
The med packs look awful in bfg edition
outer osprey
I don't understand why i should avoid BFG though
ashen falcon
And the original version of doom is the best they shouldn't change it aside from bug fixes
ashen falcon
I don't understand why i should avoid BFG though
Bfg version wads replace a lot of sprites and remove stuff from levels that were in the original doom wads to avoid copyright/legal issues (ex. red cross on medical stuff, nin logo easter egg, nazi stuff in doom 2 wolfenstien level). Imo doom should be played how it was originally released but if you don't care about any of that stuff you can use bfg edition
versed estuary
To be fair you shouldn’t even be playing doom 1/2 bundled with BFG edition. They are worse in every way
Including performance wise
To the re releases
ashen falcon
^
Some stuff was changed on the rereleases too but there's a way to patch the stuff back in while keeping the updated stuff like 16:9 rendering
outer osprey
Actually there is something i care about, are the guns more powerful in BFG edition?
versed estuary
No
ashen falcon
No
versed estuary
Bfg includes
More ammo
More health packs
Game is brighter
Shoulder mounted flashlight
Lost mission expansion
ashen falcon
Just get the rerelease versions of doom 1 and 2 on steam they're $5 apiece
versed estuary
They also include final doom free. And tons of wads
A complete list can be found pinned in #classic-doom
ashen falcon
You can also use the wads that you get in the dos versions of classic doom 1 and 2 with gzdoom to use other mods on
outer osprey
Interesting, i'll watch it's gameplay to see how it looks
honest lynx
Jesus didnt I tell you all this like 3 hours ago
Get bfg if you want a more action playthrough of doom 3. Orginal is definitely focused towards the action horror aspect and slower pace. The flashlight mechanic is pretty important for this even though it sounds like it wouldn't be
half plank
Flashlight in BFG kills the tension
versed estuary
Nah
half plank
"Oh no it's dark! Instead of being quick and managing the light, I'll just flick on mah shoulder flashlight!"
honest lynx
All the flashlight does is slow the pacing down require you to switch so it holds that horror aspect. Removing it makes you move faster not have to switch increase the gameplay speed
half plank
The flashlight's a key mechanic, and neutering it in such a way steals some of 3's soul.
honest lynx
Steals the horror feel for sure
half plank
A good compromise for both arguments is RoE Xbox's method.
honest lynx
But replaces it with faster action
half plank
I'd say BFG only really artificially increases the action, levels aren't redesigned, and more monsters aren't added..
honest lynx
I'm wondering if it also makes the campaign shorter as a result since you're not really walking in bfg but sprinting for the most part unless you're bob
Probably why bfg is a better nightmare experience most likely
half plank
Nightmare makes the horror pop out in OG 3 at least, instant death from every corner in a dark demonic facility is pretty scary.
honest lynx
For bfg it pumps up that rip and tur feeling. Nightmare of most definitely would pump up the terror by a lot
half plank
It really is up to preference I guess. I just feel a lot of BFG Edition's changes mess with 3's core.
honest lynx
Bfg was created because some of the slow horror complaints they had. So that's what the changes tried to do. They did some things great but left doom 3 in this middle ground where it didnt know what it was
Still love it though
modern crown
Was doom 3 intentionally designed to be more horror than action? I’ve heard and read things that like only the beginning is horror
I’ve only played it like twice and didn’t really feel and see the horror aspect of it, BFG edition too
carmine sonnet
It was more horror-focused. The last fourth of the game is pretty action-packed though.
honest lynx
Alot of the game was designed around the concept of testing the new engine in mind which was a breakthrough for realistic lighting and shader effects. Things that just didnt exist prior to this game. It really was able to showcase these aspects.
half plank
Doom 3 was designed as a slower game, the extra speed in BFG tampers with that design choice, fhe light tampers with that choice, and the absurd amount of new ammo does aswell. They should've gone the extra mile and tweaked the levels or something to make the new changes feel at home.
Cool if they made a whole new way to experience 3, instead of just changing a few mechanics.
honest lynx
I feel like more enemies would have done this trick since the increase of run and gun. So as an example. Where there was 1 imp have 3 instead. I believe this change would have been great without needing to increase the size or look of the engagement area and would suit the mechanics they tried to go with in bfg
I should also say a slight increase in reload speed and swap would be needed
half plank
Yes, also, more arenas, maybe some music? BFG Edition could have been better
honest lynx
Picturing it is making me happy. That would be a fucking great time
half plank
I like the idea of making 3 a bit faster, but I have a problem with how the BFG Edition did it.
honest lynx
You basically melt rooms in the current bfg
Needs more challenge
Veteran is a joke
half plank
It's why I like OG better.
honest lynx
That's why I play nightmare. Nightmare is probably ass in og
half plank
It's fun, Veteran on OG is still easy.
brazen pawn
is there a way that i can tweak the game settings to move faster
versed estuary
You can use sprint
charred fox
Lol
U can also strafe jump/bhop
Doom 3 probably has one of the fastest accelerations for bhopping I’ve played which is ironic for what people say of it
honest lynx
Max the sensitivity for console
viscid mantle
Doom 3 is kinda slow paced and is way different than the other dooms
I prefer the other but doom3 is pretty good
visual arch
that's why bfg exists
viscid mantle
It’s not REALLY GOOD it’s normal
viscid mantle
Ye
charred fox
Yea cause it’s better than both 
fair pebble
for some
charred fox
Really though I think 2, 3, and 16 have an almost equal amount of pros and cons tbh
2 has good enemy variety and big levels but map design can become really confusing, some rooms just exist to waste your time. 3 has better pacing than most think because you’re constantly moving room to room but the game sacrifices a lot of verticality of classic while being pretty linear, 16 has damn good combat and gun mechanics and mostly good map design but the pacing is very “combat to hallway” and the levels get more linear as you play
This is what happens when I’m on the toilet I end up writing a review for 3 games
fair pebble
you write reviews on a toilet?
ok bro
charred fox
I also think 3 kinda has better movement than 16 if only because of how good the strafe jumping is
Sounds kinda ironic but eh
Mainly just don’t like how strafing is nerfed in that game
fair pebble
please tell me why your are reviewing games on a toilet
do you have a console powered by your toilet
charred fox
Aye I will keep it vague
honest lynx
Spoil me plenty
novel lion
i have Doom 3 but barely i play it cuz the imp still scaring me ._.
carmine sonnet
Imps are probably the least creepy looking enemies in the game, to be honest. I just hate when the game puts them behind doors, unless you stand off to the side, you’ll almost always get hit.
novel lion
i mean,when i play the game a imp appears and jumps over me
outer osprey
I meant Hell Knight
fair pebble
the hell knights looked disgustingly good in 3
outer osprey
I agree
novel lion
the hell knight in doom 3 is a enemy that looks like a real demon
fair pebble
and the hell hell knights
outer osprey
Yeah it looks scarier without horns imo
Doom 3 had the best Pinky and Cacodemon too
Lost Souls were really fearsome alongside Trites
novel lion
doom eternal's cacodemon is the cutest demon
change my mind
fair pebble
cacodemons in doom 3 actually looked like they were from an irl hell
outer osprey
Doom Eternal has the cutest and funniest caco but Doom 3's version is a Cacodemon
^
honest lynx
They looked like mutated garbage bags
outer osprey
lmao
fair pebble
if i chose to be in a room with every doom demon ever (excluding doom 3 cacodemon ofc) vs being in a room with a doom 3 cacodemon
i'd choose the former
novel lion
oh yeah,the cacodemon from doom 3 looks like a rotten meatball with a little orb
outer osprey
Why though?
fair pebble
cause, as in the words of gougaru
they looked like mutated garbage bags
fair pebble
be moving like sonic
visual arch
what's next, a mod that makes them blue?
visual arch
half of the demons in doom 3 have eyes, the others don't
like pinky and hell knight
but the others have eyes like imps and cacos
too many of them
and archviles were so scary their design has barely changed in doom 3
timber glade
brazen pawn
RoE helmet looks weird as hell (pun intended)
honest lynx
Have a real insect vibe
honest lynx
Good stuff !
half plank
charred fox
Thank you Will Smith
empty mirage
Very Cool Will Smith, Have a nice day.
honest lynx
Ohhh that's hot
visual arch
will smith, i treat you to a health bonus on me, my friend 
novel lion
i beat all of doom 3 and its dlc on veteran
very nice Will Smith
plain remnant
thanks guys
outer osprey
#WillSmithAsDoomSlayer
plain remnant
ye
s
damn the doom community sure is nice
will smith, i treat you to a health bonus on me, my friend <
@Santa-Man#0984 whoops i almost forgot. Cheers!
tame talon
I found this IGN Thread about Doom 4 in 2012 https://www.ignboards.com/threads/itd-be-awesome-if-doom-4-had-graphics-like-this.250096191/
plain remnant
holy shit
tame talon
Yea I saw people talking about the hell knight and how good it looked so I did some googling and found this
balmy geyser
Reading old forum posts is a really fun way to see what people thought about the franchise back then
honest lynx
Ohhhhh that's hot
plain remnant
doom 3 hellknight did look good th
balmy geyser
"Lol iD Software.
After that atrocity of a game known as Rage, I have no faith in them ever making a decent game."
Aged like milk
plain remnant
ha
half plank
honest lynx
"Lol iD Software.
After that atrocity of a game known as Rage, I have no faith ...
Hahahahaha
plain remnant
IGN never ages well
tame talon
That looks bad now
plain remnant
very bad
versed estuary
No it’s still wrong
tame talon
Ok Cool Glad to have someone elses opinion
versed estuary
Just because you own it on one platform, pirating it on another isn’t justifiable
Doesn’t matter if company makes money or not
tame talon
I was making the argument that it doesn't hurt anyone. and that I already owned the and payed for the game. I downloaded it for A cool 4K HD Mod I could test out and deleted it almost directly after. I couldn't do that on the switch so that's my reasoning.
versed estuary
Still doesn’t make it right
If you absolutely want the pc version you have to pay for it
Also pirating does hurt people. It hurts many people
You own and payed for the switch version.
Not the pc version
tame talon
I agree but at the same time I Already payed for a console port that I couldn't mod or do anything with other than play. The Devs made the game open source So if people owned the pak files for the game they could play it on anything that could handle the game. Same thing with Doom , Quake , Quake 2,etc.
So your really paying for Doom3 Pak files
versed estuary
Did you pay for the pc pak files?
tame talon
No But I could dump my switch and legally obtain them.
versed estuary
Then you should do that, instead of pirating
Sure it’s the “same thing” and “faster”
But dumping the switch files is legal
Pirating is not
tame talon
I Understand That piracy is bad. What I Did wasn't piracy it was Me taking a shortcut
tame talon
I Respect your opinion and see where your coming from But I see nothing wrong with what I did
versed estuary
Oh it’s ok to drive through the park, it’s not piracy
“Just taking a shortcut”
tame talon
In my Opinion I Legally Own the pak files I legally own Doom3
versed estuary
No
You legally own the doom 3 on switch
You own THOSE files
The ones on the switch
You do not own the files located on the internet
versed estuary
Then do that
Dont do the illegal way
No “I just took a shortcut”
Your shortcut is illegal.
There’s no
“In my opinion”
It’s a fact
tame talon
Yes Its a fact that Legally I did wrong and it is punishable
versed estuary
If you had to go to court, because your internet provider ratted you out
“I own the game on switch so downloading from the internet is fine”
You would get the full fine for illegally downloading the game.
“Took a shortcut”
Wouldn’t fly
deep basin
Maybe take this to dms, it's kinda turning into not doom3
tame talon
Yea My Bad
versed estuary
It’s illegal,
You pirated
It was bad
End of story
No if’s ands or buts,
No “in my opinion”
Nothing
It’s ILLEGAL
balmy geyser
Legality and morality are separate. Pirating is a complex issue so I'll just leave my opinion to that
tame talon
Yea Its a weird legal gray area
balmy geyser
It's not really that gray legally. It's pretty explicitly illegal. However forming your moral compass based on legality would be problamatic. One example is you'd probably end up profoundly racist
tame talon
Yea its 100% Not a gray area legally I Miss said that. Morally I feel no wrong. But legally my situation specifically is in a gray area because like I said I can dump my switch and grab doom 3 off that. universally Doom3 can be played with one pak file on every system, now I own this pak file legally on one system just the way I obtained the pak file for pc is 100% illegal.
Also I apologize for turning this into something other than doom 3 my bad
viscid mantle
robust rover
Fun fact
In French law (unless it wasn't changed)
If you already own the game/film and you pirate it
It's fine
But don't distribute
robust rover
I'm not sure tho
I just remember that emulation isn't illegal if you already own the game
stable lake
just passing the border real quick
half plank
Me illegally crossing the ocean 🏃
robust rover
this is why i pirated doom 1 and 2
half plank
🥖 moment
robust rover
scenic stratus
In my Opinion I Legally Own the pak files I legally own Doom3
Bruh how old are you
robust rover
🥖
robust rover
Yes
fair pebble
yes
outer osprey
tfw there are countries where courts doesn't care about that at all
and there are stores for pirated games
honest lynx
Probably to busy with the corrupt politicians insane crime and poverty
outer osprey
tfw when the heads themselves are corrupt
fluid forge
doom 3 on pc is like a buck fifty rn on green man gaming or something, I'm considering picking it up
you can mod roe into doom 3, right?
scenic stratus
wtf people still play doom 3 l0l
outer osprey
Some old games are actually really good
stable lake
*most
half plank
@fluid forge Is it a steam code?
half plank
Then you can just buy RoE on steam.
fluid forge
cool
half plank
No need to mod it in when it's cheap dlc.
fluid forge
yeah
unkempt fox
I have so many questions because I went into this game blind
fluid forge
thought I heard about having to mod it in or something
half plank
That's BFG Edition's Lost Mission
unkempt fox
first of all (what the) fuck (are) those spider things
half plank
Yeah, 3 is a different type of game. A lot less s p e e d.
unkempt fox
humans have built cities on other planets but cannot equip them with adequate lighting and are still using handheld flashlights
seems legit
mystic terrace
fuck trites
unkempt fox
also that floating dirty bubble is not a cacodemon
robust rover
It is
outer osprey
It's a different type of Cacodemons
fair pebble
You mean mutated trash can
honest lynx
Trash bag @fair pebble
fair pebble
Same concept
outer osprey
Trash lag
honest lynx
Nah looks more like trash bag
mild nest
My game bugged up at delta labs 1, i dont have a save from beforehand. I am sad...
I dont suppose anyone knows a level select cheat for the switch version? Lol
honest lynx
Did you get the elevator glitch ?
mild nest
Yup lol
honest lynx
Yeah man theres no cure unfortunately. Need to restart the game. I had to do the same on my speed run
mild nest
Rip
Ima just play resurrection of evil and the lost levels instead
honest lynx
Make sure on your next run you dont try to activate the elevator until after the power is initiated
Fun fact this glitch has been around since the games launch in 2004. Never was fixed
mild nest
Thats a bit dumb
Ive seen lots of videos on game breaking bugs, but never heard of this one
honest lynx
Its infuriating for sure
mild nest
Especially since its right when the game starts getting more action oriented.
honest lynx
I'd buy that for a dollar ... or 3
cobalt marlin
Nice reference
outer osprey
I just noticed it now lmao
charred fox
I’d buy Gougaru for a dollar
craggy crystal
Sup
scenic stratus
about the whole pirating thing, it doesnt hurt anyone if its a defunct company, like say, ion storm. but then its considered abandonware and thats not really pirating, but lets say i get the new bethesda release of doom 2, i absolutely hate the green crosses on medpacks
so i go and get the original doom wad somewhere else
or lets say i wanna play the original a week in paradise mod for postal 2
i cant get an older version prior to apocalypse weekend in the beta section, so i have to pirate it.
i have the postal 2 game on steam, i already paid for it on the platform, so i can pirate it without hurting anyone
different platforms is full on piracy though.
if you really have to pirate, just do it for triple a games or companies that are REAL scummy.
but anyone know the martian buddy codes? cant get the one in administration
versed estuary
Sigh
versed estuary
i have the postal 2 game on steam, i already paid for it on the platform, so i c...
Wrong
That’s still pirating, and it’s still illegal
versed estuary
if you really have to pirate, just do it for triple a games or companies that ar...
No. Pirating is pirating. No matter how scummy
scenic stratus
i assume the martian buddy website is long gone.
versed estuary
This includes the Martian buddy codes
Also yes
honest lynx
Its ded
scenic stratus
weird thing, on the bethesda release for switch, the one im currently playing through, they removed the flashlight weapon entirely, any setting to bring it back? the option between firepower and light added some tension.
versed estuary
Rerelease is the BFG edition
Hence shoulder flashlight
If you want tension, just don’t use the light
scenic stratus
why is the shotgun so crappy:?
versed estuary
It’s not
scenic stratus
it 3 shots an imp at medium range
versed estuary
It can instakill most enemies
robust rover
||France be like
You can pirate it if you have the game ||
scenic stratus
its like a goddamn wild card, it sometimes kills stuff quick but most of the time it just peppers things ups
the french make good bread
outer osprey
||France be like
You can pirate it if you have the game <:trite:77436627680546...
Pirating a game which you bought lmao
scenic stratus
and the pda description for the enforcer machine gun is just real wrong
robust rover
Yeah, even on other platform @outer osprey
scenic stratus
its constantly accurate
no matter how long you fire
short bursts just reduces dps
robust rover
Imagine you buy a Nintendo SNES game while back you can have the rom legally even if its pirating @outer osprey
scenic stratus
the french are very
outer osprey
France has some interesting laws
scenic stratus
leniant
versed estuary
@robust rover incorrect
If you own the cartridge you have to dump your own rom to use it emulated. You cannot download a rom from the internet
robust rover
Not me
French weird law 
outer osprey
there are even weirder laws out there
versed estuary
Anyways this is doom 3 chat. Back on topic
outer osprey
not just france
robust rover
Yes
scenic stratus
also, doom 3 is just plain scary in the arenas, like i get fuckin panicky if im dealing with enemies i cant constantly see
robust rover
The only thing that scared me was a trite
scenic stratus
if there is an imp behind me while im shooting something else i just
robust rover
It was fucking scary
scenic stratus
god i constantly feel like that imps gonna get me
outer osprey
if there is an imp behind me while im shooting something else i just
Same here
wait
outer osprey
The only thing that scared me was a trite
same
scenic stratus
trites are ez
shell agate
They camp behind doors, it sucks tbh
robust rover
Yeah when you have more than 2 ennemies and you just hear it's scary
I don't know how
But it's scary
outer osprey
trites are ez
I agree they're easy but their sounds and looks aren't
shell agate
I havent gotten to lost mission, i am still on resurection of evil
scenic stratus
also is lost mission like a dlc like ressurection of evil or more of a bonus, like final doom in the bfg edition of doom 2:?
shell agate
I am pretty sure a bonus
scenic stratus
all the weapons in doom 3 constantly feel underpowered
honest lynx
It's a dlc that's only available with bfg edition
outer osprey
I think i didn't use it right too
scenic stratus
like it 2 shots an imp at close range
honest lynx
Need to give those demons a rectal exam with it.
scenic stratus
if i get too close i get slashed
honest lynx
Nah fire ball sprint forward blast them
versed estuary
Doom 3 ssg is op
honest lynx
They wont slash unless you stand there for a second like a fool
shell agate
Just feels off, if you know what i mean
shell agate
Its strong, but it just feels wierd i dont know how to explain it
With the normal shotgun, dont aim for the head, go for the torso cuz the spread is awful
scenic stratus
i clearly go for crotch shots for maximum pain
scenic stratus
the only reason i can get through is the abundance of ammo
even when im low im not low
shell agate
Yeah, ammo is everywhere especially with the plasma rifle
scenic stratus
There are balance mods for doom 3 that doesnt change game too much they only change shotgun spread some weapons damage stats and ammo you can try them if you're playing on pc or delta touch
Also that terrible armor damage absorb
outer osprey
interesting
shell agate
Armor is kinda useless
scenic stratus
armor is not protecting you you're protecting it
honest lynx
Its 100 percent usless on nightmare. Just a hud decoration at that point
outer osprey
armor is not protecting you you're protecting it
That's probably one of the best quotes i've ever heard in this server
shell agate
If thats the case, you are a terrible protector since it dies in two seconds
plain remnant
Its 100 percent usless on nightmare. Just a hud decoration at that point
basically doom 3, everything is literally useless on nightmare until u get the soul cube
but even then, u gotta charge up the cube too
i hated da shotgun. super shotgun was OP tho.
the dlc's were fun
but my problem was that there was too much ammo everywhere
honest lynx
You get the soulcube automatically in the beginning on nightmare champ. Also everything is just as powerful. You just cant be hit. Its honestly the best mode in doom 3
plain remnant
oh yeah i forgot about dat
imma try nightmare soon
just after a while, since i might get cyberpunk 2077 for christmas
but i'll try doom 3 nightmare
faint owl
brazen pawn
doom 3's hell is the best looking one
grizzled shoal
True
honest lynx
Really nailed the hell look. Creepy and bad ass
plain remnant
it sure did
fair bramble
So the re-release console ports have neither keyboard nor mouse support, which is unfortunate considering that the Doom 1 and 2 unity ports at least have mouse support on Xbox One and PS4. Nightdive's Doom 64 re-release has amazing keyboard and mouse support, all fully customizable.
If they're updating it still I wish they'd add keyboard and mouse support back in and maybe add the flashlight mechanic back in as an optional setting.
honest lynx
I doubt any sort of update in the future
versed estuary
^
dusk peak
installed doom3 with redux2. is there any way to make it run at 120 fps ? it's capped between 60 and 70 for me
dusk peak
hahaha
vagrant coyote
I think it's possible to run at a higher fps cap using the Dhewm source port but it's been a while
viral sinew
Hey whats better Doom 3 or Doom 3 BFG edition?
viral sinew
Alright thanks.
versed estuary
Swiss
You stop
half plank
Alrighty then
robust rover
Huuh
versed estuary
Doom 3 BFG has more medkits
Shoulder flashlight
Shit ton of ammo
It’s literally best for faster paced and more run and gun
Is it better than doom 3 OG? No
It changes the atmosphere and tone of the game
BUT most people don’t want OG. They want the much faster run and gun that BFG offers
half plank
Yeah, good point.
Really, OG version is for the boomer purists (like me). BFG is easier to set up on modern devices. Unless you want the "core" experience, BFG is fine.
versed estuary
Yeah OG is for the intended experience
Bfg is for a slightly modified experience.
half plank
I like to shit on BFG Edition, but it still is quite enjoyable.
honest lynx
More enjoyable than the original in my opinion
scenic stratus
where can I link doom 3 to my bethesds account? I can't find any in game option
versed estuary
You don’t have the rerelease version
versed estuary
Steam isnt re release
scenic stratus
so I assume if j want to link my account for the eternal stuff, I'll have to buy it again?
versed estuary
Yes on Bethesda launcher
Or Xbox/Ps4/ switch
deep basin
whatd everyone think of the PvP in the BFG edition?
honest lynx
Never played it really. But the og multiplayer was fucking epic back in the day
wild anvil
Do I have to purchase the BFG edition to get the Red DOOM Marine skin in DOOM Eternal?
ashen falcon
I don't think so, I think you just need to have your bethesda.net account signed in to whatever version of doom 3 you have
wild anvil
My version does not have anywhere you can sign in with a bethesda account
versed estuary
You need the rerelease version
It is not on steam
It is only on Bethesda launcher
Also switch, Ps4, Xbox one
wild anvil
shell agate
Doom 3's ragdolls are the goofiest things ever
charred fox
Lol ikr
shell agate
Especially when the mancubi just bounce up when they die
charred fox
When they say doom 3 has jumpscares they mean the monsters jump after you kill them
shell agate
They get scared when they hear the SSG
charred fox
Yep
half plank
I love the goofiness
I killed a Z Sec in the Xbox port and he was standing, didn't ragdoll or despawn... Just stood dead. Lol.
honest lynx
I like how the imp just went .. pshhh I'm sleepy .. and then vaporized
versed estuary
Low battery
outer osprey
lmao
past grail
doom 3
frail magnet
doom 3
outer osprey
doom 3
fair pebble
3 mood
scenic stratus
doom 3
outer osprey
room 3
jaunty turret
I love the image of the guy asking Romero to sign doom 3, it's so funny
honest lynx
@jaunty turret actually talked to romero about that. He said that picture was taken out of context and was for fun. He thinks doom3 is a pretty good game just not the same as the classics
jaunty turret
I expected that. Still a great image with romero
pastel dragon
question: is there a version of doom 3 available on PC that is both on sale AND gives the free skin in doom eternal
last i heard the one on steam does not
half plank
jaunty turret
The singular copy of doom 3
A second bfg edition would be nice, with the anniversary editions
pastel dragon
wait wait so the BFG edition DOESNT come with the skin
jaunty turret
Bfg edition is really old, no
The 25th anniversary editions do, and they're cheaper
pastel dragon
so like, is this the old version of doom 3 above without the expansion and flashlight update?
jaunty turret
I just know I bought the re-release of doom 2 and 64 got me rewards. But I'm on xbox
I'd ask.for a screenshot, but they don't do that here
pastel dragon
i think ill take my chances, its just two fiddy so worst case scenario i get every skin
and have a subpar version of doom 3
jaunty turret
Doom 3 starts at subpar tho
pastel dragon
hahaha
jaunty turret
Doom fans: bruh doom 3 is dumb
Doom 3 fans: I know
pastel dragon
thats what i hear actually
versed estuary
The link I sent you gives you the rerelease version with both expansions and eternal skin
versed estuary
Np
Money wise it’s a stupid good deal
Base campaign is 8-9 hours long
Roe is 3-4
Lost mission is 1-2
pastel dragon
fantastic value
versed estuary
Personally roe and lost mission are better imo
honest lynx
Doom fans: bruh doom 3 is dumb
Doom 3 fans: I know
Imagine being that big of a newbie pleb
half plank
Doom 3 is dumb in a lot of aspects, but I still love it dammit.
charred fox
I love you cheese
half plank
half plank
OG 3 is perfection in my book, so I'm all good.
wild pollen
I woulda wanted BFG Edition to include the original 3 with the separate flashlight
So I could also get ROE and LM
But I guess we can't handicap ourselves all the time
Takes a while to get to the real meat of the game tho
fuken 20 whole minutes of wandering around like an idiot not having a clue as to what to do
Also
I actually do not see any problem with the Shotgun
Like, about 90% of the time you're up in a demon's face so it doesn't matter that the spread is basically that of a SSG's
hushed beacon
Is the re-release version of Doom 3 The BFG edition?
half plank
Yeah, minus shitty ports of Doom 1 and 2.
hushed beacon
But the original Doom 3 is not a console port like the bfg edition is
past grail
doom 3
jaunty turret
Took your sweet time marine? >:(
bronze bear
about to try doom 3 for the first time on the series x
wild pollen
Cool cool
So something turned me off from playing Doom 3 more
Not the bullshit enemy placement, not the annoying ZSec hitscan enemies, not even the Trites that will likely haunt my nightmares
No, it's the barrel claw section
Fuck the barrel claw section
jaunty turret
That part is fine lol, it takes a minute
carmine sonnet
about to try doom 3 for the first time on the series x
Nice! Fair warning though. Doom 3 takes a while to get its footing. For the first 3-4 hours it drags a bit. I just say this because most people quit before the 3-hour mark. Trust me, it’s worth playing through the whole thing.
wild pollen
That part is fine lol, it takes a minute
Not with shit depth perception, then it takes 500 years
versed estuary
Barrel section takes like 2 min
jaunty turret
Doom 3 feels like something that only happened in this timeline
bronze bear
This game definitely sounds like it has some different challenges
Not necessarily in a bad way
honest lynx
Barrel section takes like 2 min
Most chill section. RIP poota
past grail
doom 3
scenic stratus
outer osprey
outer osprey
Why
loud fog
mild sail
I love amoled
thin grove
Ayy Doom 3 one of the best games I've played
charred fox
Welcome our new doom 3 patriot
thin grove
@charred fox Thank u a pleasure to be here
outer osprey
lmao
thin grove
How can I forget the Big Fucking Gun 9000
honest lynx
Ayy Doom 3 one of the best games I've played
The elders welcome you
thin grove
@honest lynx Why thank you sir its a pleasure to be here talking about this hugely underrated game
little raven
How can I forget the Big Fucking Gun 9000
Its a while into the game you can find 3 in the whole main campaign
First one is in the 2nd martian buddy cabinet
2nd is in the security chiefs Office I think its in a level called alpha labs 3
Third is after a boss fight
thin grove
@little raven Yeah I remember you would 100% get it even before the last fight with the Cyberdemon (the easiest boss in the game)
little raven
Yeah the cyberdemon is a pushover
thin grove
All u need is that weird looking object to kill it I forgot its name
little raven
Soup cube
thin grove
@little raven Yeah yeah the soul cube
i wish they included that in the new doom games
pure escarp
Bruh I just got doom 3. Super fun
brazen pawn
imagine there is Glory Kill when you pick up Berserk
honest lynx
There were death animations in 3. Theu were cut out last minute
brazen pawn
that just sad
carmine sonnet
Wait really? I never knew that. Huh.
signal perch
This game is very le epic
@wild pollen but its a spin off
wild pollen
wild pollen
your name suits you
signal perch
Bruh doom 3 has the worst super shotgun
half plank
wild pollen
Must be a Brutal Doom fan
signal perch
Like the man himself
half plank
signal perch
wild pollen
Anyways, does anyone know why the armor gives barely any resistance? Was it like an accident?
The sheer amount of security armor must mean it was an accident
little raven
Its made of peanut butter
wild pollen
so apparently it absorbs 1/3 of the damage according to a Redditor
little raven
It literary absords one point of damage
half plank
It's useless
wild pollen
yeah but why did they make it so
half plank
wild pollen
There's about a few thousand security armor pickups in the entire game so far, so why don't they goddamn make it more useful
still brook
my brother wants to start playing doom 3, what difficulty should he play on first for the best experience?
versed estuary
Veteran
half plank
My guide to Doom 3 difficulty
Recruit
Only for game journalists, and those afraid of the dark.
Marine
For casual players looking for a relaxed experience.
Veteran
For more skilled players who are looking for a fair challenge.
Nightmare
A solid New Game+ mode for those looking for tight action and a real challenge.
half plank
Fool, I use saves in real life, beat that.
wild pollen
huh
so BFG Edition doubled ammo pickups?
That...
looks at my early game Chaingun ammo count"
Explains a lot...
Don't ask why I got the beta male BFG Edition edition I wanted ROE and LM
wild pollen
You mean when the Chaingun was basically useless until the weird tounge Chaingunner things appeared?
half plank
Sorta
Never used chaingun all too much, way too little ammo in og version for that gun.
Plenty for plasma, and all other guns.
wild pollen
Aside from the weapon flashlight removing any semblance of a challenge, why do Doom 3 fans despise the BFG Edition again
half plank
I don't despise it, only have a minor distaste. It neuters RoE, the flashlight is bothersome for most, and there is zero mod support. Oh, and cutscenes are unskippable. Other than that, it's ok.
There are the obvious ones like ammo too.
wild pollen
huh
half plank
BFG is fine, I just prefer OG myself.
wild pollen
Like when I see people complain about the OG flashlight I thought "Oh there shouldn't be that many dark sections"
Then I noticed entire levels darker than FnaF 4 at 0.1 gamma
I can see why would people complain about it, even if for me it'd probably be up to memory
half plank
BFG/2019 Port is easier to set up on modern hardware, and honestly feels faster. Definitely fine for most.
half plank
rerelease is bfg but without shitty 1 and 2
wild pollen
oh ok lol
half plank
rerelease only on bnet though. lol
wild pollen
I still think they should've simply included the OG Doom 3 alongside the BFG edition remaster
glossy jasper
Should I buy doom 3 or doom 2016?
wild pollen
2016
glossy jasper
Ok
wild pollen
Liking 3 is an acquired taste
Takes a bit to warm up to
I do like that the BFG Edition Flashlight has a battery
half plank
Yeah, I love 3 to bits, but it's definitely a taste.
wild pollen
So you don't abuse it 99% of the time
So there is a miniscule semblance of difficulty, although that's like saying Valiant Map 30 is hard when you pistol start
Yeah completely ignoring the fact that you get all the guns before you fight Red Archie
half plank
Lol
half plank
Wish the flashlight battery was just a little less nice though
should only be around 15 seconds at most imo
wild pollen
Also I will call the Wraiths Prowlers and nothing will stop me
half plank
I won't stop you
wild pollen
good
Anyways, the guns are fine in my experience
Enemies aren't as annoying as Civvie made it out to be
The Shotgun wasn't as annoying as Civvie made it out to be
Nothing was as annoying as Civvie made it out to be
half plank
Oh I agree
wild pollen
Wish the Chaingun was more brrrt than poom poom poom tho
half plank
Civvie overexaggerated it as usual
wild pollen
I also just learned that one of my Steam friends played Dooms 1 and 2 through this, and got 25000 points on Super Turbo Turkey Puncher
half plank
I got like 100,000
pure escarp
Bruhhhhhhhhh I got idk how many
half plank
3 is good though, glad you like it, most don't sadly. 
pure escarp
D:
wild pollen
"Because it's slow!"
Run
"The flashlight!"
BFG Edition
"The shotgun!"
Lmao
still brook
shotgun does suck tho
wild pollen
Do you really lose all your guns when you go to Hell?
wild pollen
shotgun does suck tho
Let's be real, if it were any better the game would be trivialized
half plank
Do you really lose all your guns when you go to Hell?
yes
and when you return from hell
wild pollen
Even in BFG Edition?
half plank
yep
wild pollen
wild pollen
You know, I sometimes wonder what would've happened if the original Id team never left before they made all these 2000s era tech demos in the guise of underrated video games
half plank
well... daikatana would have never existed.
I like Quake 2, I like Doom 3. The era of "tech demos" wasn't all bad.
wild pollen
Quake 2 was fine, got bored around Ammo Depot tho
Quake 3, fine but I (in vague ways) like Quake Live more
Rage
half plank
I finished Q2 on Hard+, It really hits that sweet spot after the second mission. If that's what you call em?
After intermission screen 2 I should say.
wild pollen
Didn't get much motivation to complete it after I got it and played it for a good chunk of the day when it became free on Bnet
half plank
I get it, I completely quit Q4 after like 2 maps.
wild pollen
Although I think this was when I thought Quake 1 sucked
earlier me likes to be a heretic in retrospect
half plank
Q1
wild pollen
And I mean
half plank
I had a bad time on mission pack 1 though
Shamblers and Vores every corner. Vore homing missiles are almost impossible to dodge.
wild pollen
Considering the technological fidelity of Id's games, their entire library are technically Tech demos
Even Doom 2016 and Eternal, which introduced very advanced methods of optimization, the likes of which I don't see much in a AAA game
Like, Eternal runs at a smooth 45 FPS compared to Halo MCC which lags at any given time
half plank
Yeah, the recent engines are amazingly optimizied. Lag is pretty much a hardware issue.
wild pollen
So until now we could feasibly consider Eternal as a tech demo, demonstrating optimization
half plank
Good tech will mean smooth frames at all times, which a lot of games simply don't like to do.
tribal fjord
As a console user, I can't put too much stock into it, but the two Doom games on PS4 for example are perhaps two examples of the smoothest games on the system.
half plank
I take the gameplay tbh, unless it's unplayable, it's fine.
wild pollen
"muh frames" vs "muh grass"
tribal fjord
I haven't had any profound frame rate drops and I'm not even in a PS4 Pro.
wild pollen
better
tribal fjord
On*
tribal fjord
Eternal on consoles 100% sacrificed graphical fidelity for gameplay.
Doom 2016 is 100% a better looking game in consoles.
wild pollen
I wouldn't be surprised if the Switch release runs at a smooth 60 FPS
tribal fjord
However, Eternal is way more optimized.
half plank
pretty sure theyve stated that switch doom will run 30fps
tribal fjord
Eternal only has one big issue for me on console.
The text size is way too fucking small.
The HUD in general is. 99% of the time I can't even tell if my chainsaw has fuel or not.
wild pollen
oh yeah 30 frames
tribal fjord
Doom Eternal on consoles is a solid 60fps lol
still brook
Who pinged tho?
tribal fjord
Eternal isn't every first party PS4 game that runs on 30fps despite it being capable.
Bloodborne for example.
still brook
I mean GOW ran at a solid 45FPS
tribal fjord
If DS1-2 remastered and 3 can run at 60fps, Bloodborne dipping under 30 constantly is pathetic
And it also looks far worse.
Still, my favourite Souls-game to date.
..until I get a PS5 and Demons Souls
I'm actually surprised Demon's Souls didn't get a PS4 version.
But hey I'm someone who thinks the current gen console rolliut was done horribly.
half plank
We got the 2073 router, and the fucking mini fridge as the next gen.
tribal fjord
Ngl, I actually love the PS5 design
wild pollen
I like the Mini fridge
tribal fjord
At least they tried something over the big black box of the Series X
I will say the Dual Sense is the best controller ever.
Haptic feedback on the triggers is revolutionary.
I mean, the trigger can be harder to pull if you're playing a shooter and using a bigger gun.
That's insane.
Plus Xbox totally screwed themselves over this generation.
All Microsoft exclusives hit PC now. Leaving the point of the Xbox useless.
half plank
Sorta, an Xbox Series X is still a hell of a lot cheaper than a PC.
tribal fjord
Bethesda-published third party titles are not gonna become exclusive to Xbox though.
Bethesda would go out of business if they put out Elder Scrolls 6 and Fallout 5 on Xbox exclusively.
And the Xbox deal is solely about games DEVELOPED by Bethesda.
ID Software is not owned by Microsoft.
So the whole sale to Xbox thing doesn't affect Doom at all.
wild pollen
yeah technically
tribal fjord
As ID Software own the rights to the franchise.
Besides, we've seen what happens when a console hijacks a game to make it exclusive.
Street Fighter 5.
The backlash about the game not releasing on Xbox was insane.
SF6 is gonna be the same though
Sony are brilliant at making first party games though.
Nabbing Spider-Man to make it exclusive to PS was massive
wild pollen
pretty sure they got it before the Playstation was a thing but ok
tribal fjord
What? SF or Spider-Man?
wild pollen
Spider Man
tribal fjord
As both franchises were multi-platform before the most recent games. SF5 still technically is since it's on PC.
The Spider-Man game before the PS4 game was Edge of Time, a sequel to Shattered Dimensions. It was multiplatform.
PC, DS, PS3, Xbox 360.
Random: They should make a Venom game n
brazen pawn
why Doom 3 archviles' hands looked like it just got stung by a bee
versed estuary
@tribal fjord Microsoft bought ZeniMax
Which means they bought every company ZeniMax owns, including id software and Bethesda
spare wagon
why Doom 3 archviles' hands looked like it just got stung by a bee
Who says it didn't? 😉
tribal fjord
Well, maybe, but there's zero chance the sequel to Eternal if it gets made is exclusive to Xbox.
Phil Spencer even said he doesn't see games like Fallout or Elder Scrolls being exclusive.
fallen shadow
I am replaying doom 3 for the first time since like 2005. Using the dhewm3 build. I'm super impressed with how the game holds up. They really nail the atmosphere of each level.
honest lynx
Doom 3 was a graphical masterpiece when released and it def holds up
jaunty turret
The HD ports sure don't help it tho
half plank
It looks great in 4k, what do you mean?
manic axle
brazen pawn
average Doom 2016 and Doom Eternal Fan: 
average Doom 3 enjoyer: 
covert anchor
Does doom 3 have any source ports?
buoyant storm
i don't think it does
brazen pawn
dhewm3
i can't remember the other 1
just look at Doom 3 pcgamingwiki website you'll find some of Doom 3 source ports
half plank
Dhewm 3 could use high fps support, imagine 144ps on the og version? But, the physics are tied to framerate, so it would be a hassle to set up.
robust rover
1000 fps on doom 3 must be grenade boing simulator
half plank
yes
It's alread hyper speed on 144. 60fps really isn't all too horrible, I just feel as of now, there is zero reason to switch, especially since dhewm3 has painfully bad mod support.
polar ginkgo
ok so should i buy doom 3 bfg division or just doom 3
stable lake
yes
polar ginkgo
so wise
half plank
Doom 3 and Resurrection of evil.
cunning gale
I say bfg edition for all the dlc packs
rotund dagger
hey! i'm new...
just got doom 3 bfg edition, and... it's different... that "badass" feeling is gone and replaced with A LOT of darkness
charred fox
Doom 3 (and a lot of classic doom maps) don’t make you feel badass right away
They forge you with hellfire till it makes you badass
little raven
Most doom 2 maps made me feel confused rather then badass
charred fox
Same
little raven
Imagine downtown without the giant arrow
charred fox
Lmao I completely forgot about that
Thank you sandy for the giant arrow it really helps
little raven
The chasm is hilarious
I just cheated through that level my first run cause I was so annoyed with the the platforming
charred fox
Tightropes and lost souls
little raven
And getting stuck on an imp about 500000000 miles below
charred fox
Oh fuck
little raven
We need an infinitely tall monsters mod for all the other doom games
charred fox
half plank
Imagine downtown without the giant arrow
beta version lacks an arrow
thin grove
People still play this game? You guys are legends lmao
The game's like more than a decade old and people are still playing
honest lynx
The game's like more than a decade old and people are still playing
Absolutely
little raven
beta version lacks an arrow <:megalel:591257047572545567>
Oh jeez
stable lake
old =/ bad @thin grove
slim willow
honest lynx
Please no
versed estuary
Bruiser wouldn’t work because eternals mancubus already fires just as fast
honest lynx
Also it looks like butter garbage
Something I might have doodled in the 5th grade
Inside a textbook
wild pollen
Are Doom 3 BFG Edition MP servers still up?
honest lynx
Non
honest lynx
Hey I'm Canadian. Our second language is French
robust rover
@honest lynx i knoooooow
vagrant holly
replaying Doom 3 and man, the shotgun is still triggering me 😄
it's a fucking melee weapon, it's only effective from point blank range
why Doom 3?
little raven
I mean its a shotgun
Real life shotguns have more range
But there not the sniper rifles like it is in doom 1 and 2
vagrant holly
I mean its a shotgun
Real life shotguns have more range
But there not the sniper...
it's not a shotgun, it's a shitgun
little raven
And yet it ones shots basically everything in the game
vagrant holly
only if it feels like it and only if it's from point blank range
versed estuary
Ya got sprint, use it
If you want to shoot anything far away use the sub machine gun
vagrant holly
the spread sucks, the range sucks, the weapon is just a "switch weapon" meaning that you use something different and switch to it if they get into your face
or yeah, you run into an imp's face and shoot
versed estuary
Me who literally uses shotgun as my primary weapon
little raven
Snort
versed estuary
Or because it’s actually good?
vagrant holly
it's not good, it limits your playstyle to something boring
which is "run at them and pump 'em in the face, don't aim"
little raven
This is amazing
versed estuary
Ya got 9 weapons including grenades, I’m sure you can find a “play style”
Also didnt realize shoot demon limits my play style
vagrant holly
I think you're trolling if the grenade is what you've chosen as a highlight 😄
little raven
I think he said including grenades
cause theyre not guns
vagrant holly
there are kind of 2 god awful weapons in the game, the shitgun and the grenades though with good situational awareness you can make the grenades work really well
versed estuary
Now I’m wondering if you are trolling
I also highlighted grenades because they are the most unique weapon in the game, with the super high damage and ability to bounce around
vagrant holly
the shotgun is good against imps, zombies and if they are close cacodemons, for other situations you just have more effective solutions
vagrant holly
I also highlighted grenades because they are the most unique weapon in the game,...
but that's the problem, the bounce makes them a bit too unpredictable
noble inlet
Lol
vagrant holly
it's kind of the antithesis of HL grenades
Half-Life's grenades suck because they don't really bounce
Doom 3's grenades suck because they bounce too much 😄
versed estuary
Ssg is fantastic tho
vagrant holly
if only it existed in the base game too
versed estuary
True
little raven
It would break the base game
versed estuary
Would have made the 8 hour base game better
vagrant holly
It would break the base game
well, I don't think that the base game we ended up getting in 2004 should have the SSG
the base game should have been made with the SSG in mind in the first place
honest lynx
Doom 3 shotgun is probably the best shotgun in the series. I've noticed only people who do t know shit about 3 say that
vagrant holly
but nope, it was the Carmack era of "I make a great engine and tell you the main features, you make a mediocre game around it"
honest lynx
I purchased 3 back when it released. No one thought it was mediocre. Different yes but still more w enjoyable than half life 2 in my opinion
versed estuary
Doom 3 shotgun is probably the best shotgun in the series. I've noticed only peo...
Funny enough this is true
It’s better than 2016 and eternals combat shotgun
vagrant holly
nope
vagrant holly
at least if it had the grenade alt fire then I could make an effort and admit that you have a right to an opinion but nope 😄