doom-3

[snow phoenix]

It's not exactly an issue for anyone who is using discord for servers like this, the only thing its needed for right now is adult content that shouldn't be on this platform

[amber kestrel]

Hello guys, i have an issue with doom 3 bfg on steam. I recently bought it, launched for 5-6 times and then on another launch - steam says that i`m playing, but nothing launches, and then game closing. Did anybody have that issue?

[amber kestrel]

I think i have same problem as you

or it would be better playing classic doom 3?

[junior radish]

yes

[oblique venture]

personally I wouldn't bother with BFG unless you're interested in it for the historical aspect.
I find Dhewm3 source port (with the original game) is the easiest way to get Doom 3 working nowadays

The only other thing I can say is I guess I'm not really surprised that BFG is having problems now -- it never gave me the impression of being particularly stable in the first place

[amber kestrel]

Oh, i see, thank you. As i understand, BFG edition is not really respectable in community?

[oblique venture]

I can only really speak for myself but I definitely prefer the original

BFG's version of the flashlight might sound good on paper but it really just adds more annoyance to the exploration element of the game
and all of its graphical improvements can be replicated and surpassed by running the original through a sourceport

[robust estuary]

It isn't that it's "not respectable", it's still a fine way to play DOOM 3, it's just pretty commonly agreed on as being the inferior of the two versions of the game

[oblique venture]

and I don't think it's really maintained anymore so more to the point, it's going to be harder to get working

if you just want to play the game and you don't care about details, the source port I mentioned above is the easiest way to get the game running well

or at least the easiest way that I've found

[runic echo]

The chainsaw is fuckin BROKEN I love it!

[vale wadi]

bro I wanna play doom 3 bfg edition because it’s janky, it has weird classic doom ports, and it's the only one gives achievements, and I like collecting cursed doom versions

if i actually wanted to play doom3 normally, then i just load up fucking dhewm3

[junior radish]

well too bad its so janky that for a lot of people it just doesnt run

[vale wadi]

well i guess rbdoom3 is my only way...

[robust estuary]

Only thing I can think of is verify the game files maybe?

I can't think of why it wouldn't be working. Even on windows 11 it was pretty good out-of-the-box

[vale wadi]

i did that mutiple times

i reinstalled it multiple times

[earnest matrix]

Real employees from id software here?

[junior radish]

no only fake employees

[misty abyss]

lmao

[earnest matrix]

I'm not familiar with the names but then again the company probably has more employees now than in times past.

[small grove]

Yes

[neat wadi]

Where tf is doom 2

[robust estuary]

#classic-doom , probably

[runic echo]

Where tf is doom rpg

[neat wadi]

Where tf is doom

[whole sphinx]

gone

[runic echo]

Where if is ?

[neat wadi]

Where tf ?

[runic echo]

Where ?

[neat wadi]

Wh ?

[scarlet trout]

W ?

[solar bough]

Would the stone tablet referencing Doom 1's cover mean that Doomguy was there on Mars to aid the Martians?

Seems weird considering Doom 3 is generally agreed to be a parallel universe.

Although it could also mean it's some DC multiverse nonsense.

[robust estuary]

Or it's just a cute callback to the original game because I doubt id had any of this multiverse whatever planned 12 years before DOOM 2016 was made
Sometimes things can exist with 0 story relevance and just be a cute reference for the sake of having a reference tbh

You'll drive yourself mad if you try to connect every little dot when sometimes a dot isn't supposed to be connected to anything at all

[scenic stratus]

hi doom 3

[soft void]

ngl doom 3 is underrated ash

[soft void]

LOL

[plain tangle]

The doom 3 plasma rifle is I think my favorite plasma rifle

[soft void]

ye its the best

idk why but the recharging sound of it is so satisfying😭

[oblique venture]

and the imps go flying across the room

[neat wadi]

Hi doom 3

[gray harbor]

Yeah true

There is also a mod which gives it an enemy radar

[plain tangle]

I wanna make a prop of the doom 3 plasma rifle

Gotta get the templates made

[soft void]

yall

can somone help me😭

i wanted to re play doom 3 cuz i have it on playstation but its the bfg edition

soni downloaded on pc the 2004 one

and when i set it on 1920 x 1080 it just lags the sh out of my pc

is it normal?

[ionic galleon]

https://youtu.be/-CR1qZ8oI34

[crimson moon]

I always had a bad PC (Since 2019 I've had a PC with only 2GB of RAM, and no GPU.)

And only today being able to buy a GPU for my PC makes me very excited.

I'm just testing the performance here with Doom 3; I know it's not the best in the world, but it's the most modern "Doom" that this GPU supports.

https://youtu.be/KldgHefv7Hg?si=X8bgPiRpWH4YMvPQ

[wary sierra]

Get out

[dense shoal]

hey guys
I finished DOOM 3 BFG edition lately
it was amazing but what about Multiplayer mode
was it bad or just DOOM franchise dont fit with Multiplayer mode?

[paper girder]

doom 3 mp was pretty mid, it felt a bit slow and basic

[dense shoal]

not like COD and half life?

[dense shoal]

can I play it LAN with my friends?

[lament sequoia]

heyy i got stuck with a challenge on the final chapter its the deadlock one idk how to finish it tbh i have tried using the bfc and i have also dont the damage multiplier but it still doesnt work for me unfortunately :/

[paper girder]

oh yeah deadlock is tough, try using the grabber for the projectiles if you havent already

[lament sequoia]

grabber?

[paper girder]

the ion levitator tool, you can catch those fireballs and toss them back for huge damage

[lament sequoia]

ohh ok ima try that

[quasi silo]

DOOM brought upon us the Deathmatch scene

It def fits for Classic DOOM

[unkempt crescent]

Doom 3, Absolution aka 64, and TDA have my favorite plasma rifle designs.

[plain tangle]

64 has a good one too

the doom 2016 one is pretty cool too

[unkempt crescent]

Yeah, influenced by Doom 3.
And cuz the same art or environmental director of Doom 3 is the same for Doom 2016.

[plain tangle]

I noticed the similarities to doom 3 on my second play through of 2016 that i did recently love the design

[trim berry]

Kenneth Scott left ID years ago.

[queen galleon]

Would doom 3’s pinky be good in the 2016 universe as a hauling working horse? Maybe a cyber-pinky would work

[unkempt crescent]

Thought Hugo mentioned he did, during the Doom 3 stream.

[trim berry]

Cacodemons in this game are so sad.

[gray harbor]

[subtle sparrow]

someone should update the MP maps with demons in MP; this way the game might be more fun, sort of a PvPvE; I can give you the easy script for monster respawn

[paper girder]

that actually sounds sick, pvpve would definitely make the mp way more interesting

[oblique venture]

ooh, that'd be neat

[gloomy pilot]

For me it just looks shit

All dull and stuff

Weapons are cool and stuff but it coulda been made so much better

[paper girder]

yeah true, try the dhewm3 source port for a slightly better look

[gloomy pilot]

I'm saying that from just seeing videos because I don't have ANY of the tech skills to do that

I'm dumber than a box of fucking rocks

😭

[paper girder]

its pretty easy honestly, mostly just dragging files into a folder

[gloomy pilot]

Well I don't have pc

I'm on PlayStation

[paper girder]

ah gotcha, yeah that makes it tough then

[gloomy pilot]

I'm listening to tarreria trial of the insane tier 4 rn

For the calamity mod

[snow phoenix]

Why is this the 2nd person to say this

<@&162901871168585728>

Suspicious

[valid ridge]

who pinged?

[snow phoenix]

Multiple users

[ebon mango]

random scammer people were pinging you asking you to dm

[valid ridge]

why specifically me though?

[ebon mango]

No idea, sometimes they just pick random people. If you get pinged again and see it and don't know them, tag us @ moderators ok

[valid ridge]

ok

[finite viper]

is doom 3 worth playing?

i bought it like 2 years ago, but i've never played it

[snow phoenix]

Yes

[robust estuary]

Yes

[loud sparrow]

i have been played doom 3 and dlc at 9 years old on nightmare mode in 2012

[frigid brook]

Whenever people call RoE a DLC, I die a little inside--
As for Doom 3, I'd always recommend the OG from 2004, and never the BFG edition
And if the OG is giving you trouble, go for Dhewm 3 instead

[wild mango]

Why not the BFG edition?

[frigid brook]

It spoils the original
Whoever thought an "armor-mounted flashlight" was a good idea clearly doesn't respect the original where you had to choose between flashlight and guns
Second, the ammo situation, it gives you so much ammo that you end up not even spending it by the end of the game
The design/atmosphere itself, the game overall is brighter, some ambiance sounds are changed
And to top it all off, some sections are completely cut from the original, like that one particular sequence in RoE

^From the top of my head

It's like Doom 3 but for wimps/game journos

[versed estuary]

Also like over 100 enemies cut

I still think it’s a more than fine experience and accessible to all. But a Nightdive doom 3 remaster would be nice

[frigid brook]

Personally I'd be interested in seeing a remake, for as long it stays true to the source material

[slate citrus]

[vale wadi]

if you like slow paced horror then yes

you should

[misty abyss]

I love how people conveniently forget that flashlight being a separate weapon slot was a result of technical limitations at the time due to hardware rather than deliberate design choice

[robust estuary]

But the game was still designed around it being separate, so it being combined is still against the original intention as the game released
THIS is what people also need to realize

They aren't "conveniently forgetting". They're right
Combining the two is still changing how the game was played how it released

[misty abyss]

if performance didn't tank with having flashlight like in other games on a button press they would have done that, since hardware wasn't quite there yet they went with it being separate weapon

so whatever you say

[robust estuary]

Correct
If the hardware allowed, it would have been combined. But it didn't
So the game adapted to such

-# it's much better this way, anyways

[subtle sparrow]

at least the light situation can be changed with console commands

lightscale and ambient values

[subtle sparrow]

one advantage of BFG is that is uses soft shadows; OG Doom3 (at least version 1) used brute raw shadows that looked edgy

[frigid brook]

Stensil shadows, as it called them, soft shadows tech came like a year later when F.E.A.R. came out

[subtle sparrow]

is still possible to emulate, if you apply multiple lights close to each other; this is how I managed to make Doom3 Alpha maps have better looking shadows, but it would have been too taxing for PCs in 2004

[trim berry]

I was today years old when I learned Archviles CAN do the remote 'light ground on fire' attack they do in classic Doom/Eternal if they're on different elevation.

[prime whale]

oh yeah

[trim berry]

The more I replay this game the more baffled I am by some of its design choices. It's not a bad game but holy fuck sometimes I get pissed off even trying to wrap my head around a lot of the stupid shit it does.

[prime whale]

that's why I don't replay it lol

I disliked it enough on my first playthrough, why put myself through it again

[trim berry]

Currently losing my mind at the Chaingun only holding 60 rounds in the mag.

It's an uhhh. Uhm. Hmmm. It's a uh.

It's.

IT'S A BELT FED WEAPON.

[hidden moat]

Just now beat Doom 3 on Nightmare! F*ck caverns area 1

[subtle sparrow]

what? in SP? you can easily just edit the def files

I just realized that if you chose freelook OFF then the mouse will act like m_forward in good old Quake 1 game

finally I have some interesting input keys setup like in the 90s to toy around

[subtle sparrow]

I made a d3dm1 variant with monsters for MP, will upload the map tomorrow; have to fix tweaks here and there, to fit my exact vision, but the map is pretty much playable

[paper girder]

that actually sounds sick, pvpve would definitely make the mp way more interesting

[subtle sparrow]

sounds interesting in theory, but I'll have to see it running; I could try with sabot bot for a start

[trim berry]

I know, but I'm playing the game as it is by default. The intended experience.

And I find it a bit baffling.

[subtle sparrow]

to me the beauty of it is that it can be modified in so many ways (I like many aspects of the engine, or the general code, that is modifiable, but not the SP game, the final product I mean, so to me is great engine capabilities, not good game -unless is modified)

[wraith pumice]

lmao

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/464416780933267466/1477258222061748325/image.png?ex=69a41b6e&is=69a2c9ee&hm=971a5fb1adc12182ec0c6995bfafa2ae72f56cda8616eee8401ee20d928fe310&

[trim berry]

Is there a mod for BFG Edition that restores all the old removed content so it doesn't suck?

Like restoring the original weapons?

[scenic stratus]

whats removed

[mild hedge]

LMFAO

Collab of the century

[scenic stratus]

bro i just got doom 3 bfg for xbox

my version is german only idk why

[mild hedge]

odd

[scenic stratus]

what wdym

[mild hedge]

It’s odd that’s in only German

[scenic stratus]

perhaps i can send u a pic

maybe reinstaling fixes but idk

@mild hedge i send u a pic in dms

[quasi silo]

Send it to me too, I might be able to help

[scenic stratus]

i did

[quasi silo]

They made two DOOM 3 BFG releases for Germany. You have the Uncut one, so I'm not sure why it only has German, but it appears this version was printed with JUST the German language

[scenic stratus]

idk if it mathers but im playing that on xbox one

throu backwards compatibility

[quasi silo]

It should have all the languages then, that's weird. Is your region set to Germany?

[scenic stratus]

idk i switched region to usa

[quasi silo]

Xbox 360 backwards compatible games generally install language packs based off your region

[scenic stratus]

maybe i will change

[quasi silo]

Did you change region after or before the install

[scenic stratus]

yes so i deleted switched to usa and hopefuly it works

[scenic stratus]

after i think

[quasi silo]

Alright yeah if you reinstall it should be in English now. 🤞

[scenic stratus]

yes after

[scenic stratus]

hopefuly cuz i been just guessing what smth says

i just run Around till i find demons or cutscene ik im going right way then

[scenic stratus]

@quasi silo it didnt work

[quasi silo]

Not sure what could be the fix, then

[scenic stratus]

i mean ig i can play like this

i do have gamepass so i got new doom3 but when gamepass goes away i would have to rebuy Gamepass or buy doom 3 again

@quasi silo idk what do u think

[quasi silo]

The new one isn't worth the 15 bucks if you already own the BFG Edition. It's a worse version

[scenic stratus]

10

its 10

[quasi silo]

15 in my region

[scenic stratus]

someone said bfg worse than og so

how is new doom3 even worse

[quasi silo]

Yeah but the new version isn't OG, it's just BFG Edition but without multiplayer or DOOM and DOOM II

[scenic stratus]

oh

yea becuse doom1 and 2 is in its own bundle

so should i play that german version

even tho idk or speak any german

[quasi silo]

The game has some parts where you need to listen for numbers in voice logs to proceed so you'll need to look those up or learn the basic 10 numbers in German, otherwise it should be fine

[scenic stratus]

might as well learn a new language at this point

[scenic stratus]

or perhaps when im stuck watch a playthrou

[quasi silo]

Yeah like I said you can just look them up

[scenic stratus]

should i delete rdr2 for doom ethernal

otherwise il only have 50gb left

[quasi silo]

I do not know, I have never played RDR2

[scenic stratus]

its like 105gb

[quasi silo]

Eternal is a good game so I think it's worth to at least have one playthrough of it anyway. So I'll say yes

[scenic stratus]

its open world cowboy game

deleted

[hidden moat]

I started ROE on Nightmare and I beat first boss with no damage and deathless

[scenic stratus]

question i gotta beat game first on hard to get nightmare right

[quasi silo]

You have to beat it once to get it yeah but it can be on any difficulty

[scenic stratus]

any oh well atleast il get an achivment for hard

anyways i was revolver ocelot before

[quasi silo]

It will be good training for NM so you're still better off on Hard than if you were to play it on Easy

[scenic stratus]

i mean rn its not that hard

like most anoying is that shotgun guy

[hidden moat]

Only once on whatever diffculty you want

[scenic stratus]

yes ig cuz im on hard im preparing for nightmare

[hidden moat]

Be prepered, because caverns area 1's platfoming sections can be tricky.

[scenic stratus]

alright

im gonna try get all achivments for doom3

[long quail]

i like punching turkeys :)

[sterile quarry]

I don't like getting achievements disabled when I'm playing the BFG edition and I'm not even hitting the console key

I was jumping around the little room where the Lost Souls get introduced and all of a sudden I get the popup. I reloaded my save and it happened again

[scenic stratus]

what version

pc?

[sterile quarry]

Yep

[robust estuary]

BFG is really inconsistent and annoying about that unfortunately
Mine kept getting disabled when the cutscene after beating Lost Levels final boss played

[quasi silo]

BFG Edition on PC is doodoo as always

[scenic stratus]

oh yea idk wierd try restarting game

[scenic stratus]

thats why im on consoles

[quasi silo]

Same

[sterile quarry]

I'm more accurate with aiming in first person shooters with KB+M as opposed to a controller

[scenic stratus]

u got 360 port?

[scenic stratus]

ofc so am i but the thing is most games pc ports are always broken

missing features or smth else

[quasi silo]

No, I'm on the 2019 release, but I used to play on the 360 port. Got all the achievements in DOOM and DOOM II and only had like 7 missing for DOOM 3

[sterile quarry]

Right, you have a point. But I don't really have the space for a console and my laptop that I use is plenty powerful

[scenic stratus]

is it hard to get em

[quasi silo]

I would say so, yes

[scenic stratus]

yes well series s is the smalest

[quasi silo]

You also need a monitor and the power outlets for it

[scenic stratus]

most are just story and dlc right

[scenic stratus]

or tv

[sterile quarry]

But then I'd have to re-buy all of my Steam games on Xbox too and that will add up

[quasi silo]

You mean if most are unlockable by natural gameplay?

[scenic stratus]

yes for doom3

i didnt even touch first 2 yet

[quasi silo]

I think like a ⅓ of them is unlocked by just beating the game but the rest you have to do something for

[scenic stratus]

damn it

[scenic stratus]

i hate ur pfp aka cacodemon

[quasi silo]

Thanks

[scenic stratus]

how is that a good thing

cacodemon is soo anoying keeps chasing me in eternal

[quasi silo]

Sarcasm

[scenic stratus]

ah

[scenic stratus]

whats cacodemons weak spot

[stiff cargo]

The eye

[subtle sparrow]

the holy cross !

[steel geode]

Honestly the DLC is better than the base game in my opinion because of one simple change.

2 words.

SUPER SHOTGUN

[subtle sparrow]

well yea but functionally speaking is the same weapon, with stronger boom. both are efficient at super close range, in the same way. in Doom2 the difference is that you have shotgun that deals damage at distance and super shotgun at middle/close range so there are signigficant differences

[slender lagoon]

In doom 3 when I'm trying to exit mars to find the missing scientist (literally the first level of the game) when i click on exit mars the game crashes
missing files or?

[wraith pumice]

weird. it never happened for me

[scenic stratus]

before there is even monsters?

[slender lagoon]

Yeah

[slender lagoon]

I think it's the bfg edition acting wonky right?

[robust estuary]

Very well could be, BFG Edition is a very wishy-washy port.
Reverify the game files if you haven't already, and if that doesn't work then I'm not sure what else to do

[subtle sparrow]

if you play the BFG edition then I recommend to try RBDoom, who on top of other improvements uses DirectX 12 instead OpenGL, so it runs faster - plus has some nice "classic" look shaders and PBR textures support

[slender lagoon]

Pretty sure all files are there but I'll try reverify them

[slender lagoon]

I will try that thanks

[burnt orchid]

Man Doom 3 has such a cool atmosphere and world, I wish it didn't feel like shit to play

[quasi silo]

Good thing it doesn't

[hidden moat]

I beat the inval hunter on nightmare, died only three times.

In the final fight of Phobos Labs sector 2, I died more than in that boss battle.

During berserk hunter fight I died once.
I beat the helltime hunter with no damage and deathless.

[prime whale]

real

[scenic stratus]

wdym

i mean to me all doom games feel good

[burnt orchid]

The weapons feel pitiful and I dislike you can't switch to a different weapon when reloading, and it feels like the enemies weren't made with slower movement in mind

Imo

[scenic stratus]

i mean just take cover behind a wall

[burnt orchid]

Also I dislike how 90% of the game looks the exact fucking same

[scenic stratus]

ok now that

[burnt orchid]

Fair, but a lot of rooms are too open to do that

[scenic stratus]

that is true

i mean look atleast u also have dlcs

[burnt orchid]

I still can't bring myself to despise 3 tho, it has so much aura

[cosmic plover]

I actually thought the gameplay of Doom 3 was really nice. For some reason I wasnt really the biggest fan of ROE but I did enjoy the Lost Missions even though those two are much more similar

[slender lagoon]

Wow this actually worked thanks a bunch
I was literally on the verge of uninstalling the game but i didn't yippe

[subtle sparrow]

glad that it worked. you don't encounter any strange black boxes in the map? (targets and entities not assigned?)

[slender lagoon]

Nope not at all

[surreal coyote]

when does doom 3 stop being scary

[robust estuary]

When you decide to see what the BFG port is like

[hidden moat]

I beat ROE on nightmare go to hell maledict!

[subtle sparrow]

I must have messed the materials or some files somewhere; maybe I should update first RBDoom files, haven't done since 2024

[slender lagoon]

There is a 1.6.0 update on moddb the problem is it's around 1.5 gigs

[devout pier]

Then try DOOM BFA. Not as pretty, but it has many QoL improvements and Steam achievement support (Open Platform library required and need to be installed manually)

[scenic stratus]

Should i play doom 3?

Never played it before

[winter solar]

yeah for sure

[scenic stratus]

Cool

[peak siren]

apparently it sucks but u might like it

[scenic stratus]

lolol

Hope so

[slender lagoon]

I'll try it thanks

[last patio]

Doom 3 is like if half life and resident evil 7 made a baby

[last patio]

Yeah it's good

Not as good as modern doom games but it's good

It really looks like half life

[scenic stratus]

Thank you

[quasi silo]

I adore D3

Third best one imo

[hidden moat]

I beat The Lost Mission on nightmare

[quasi silo]

Gaming?

[hidden moat]

?

[quasi silo]

I do not know how to explain the usage of "gaming" in this context but trust me it's a good thing

[prime whale]

Bro was gaming

[hidden moat]

I see.

Now I'm gigachad, because I beat all Doom 3 offical campaigns on nightmare!

[elder void]

Ok

[solar bough]

If only Doom 3 had centered weapons.

[subtle sparrow]

open console with ` and type g_guny 4 ; this will center weapons in RBDoom3

[devout pier]

Or you can use DOOM BFA and go to Settings->Control Settings->Advanced Control Settings and enble centered weapons from there

[subtle sparrow]

didn't check, but I prefer usually to use console settings because for once you can customize much more, and second other D3 variants might lack the menu options that work from console

[dense ether]

.

[devout pier]

BFA's centered weapons use an additional .def file that adjust more variables in order to make them look a little better. Plus, it's added to the menu for convenience. Not many people will toy around so much with the console

[quasi silo]

I recognize you lol, you started the thread about DOOM 3 2019 port differences right? I remember reading it a few times over the years, interesting topic

[devout pier]

Yep, I'm also the solo developer of DOOM BFA

[solar bough]

I think I'll go through all of BFG Edition next time I play Doom 3 just for a change.

I think it'll be a fun idea for a video, documenting everything BFG Edition messed up on compared to vanilla Doom 3.

[solar bough]

BFA?

[devout pier]

Yeah, the source port for DOOM 3 BFG Edition. It's based on a very old version of RBDOOM (1.2.0) and it offers updates for all 3 games in that game (like MBF21 mod support for DOOM 1 + 2, updated texture mod support for DOOM 3 etc)

[subtle sparrow]

what I dislike is that in Doom3 BFG, maybe because is addressed for consoles much, they removed freelook ON/OFF option (I don't find in options, inD3 OG is in game options) and centerview is only the old code that centers the view instantly - in Doom3 _impulse18 aligns the view more naturally, which increases the cinematic feeling, but in D3 BFG the code for _impulse18 was removed

[quasi silo]

I mean, freelook being force enabled has been standard for a whiiiile

[subtle sparrow]

in Doom3 non BFG you candf disable it in game options is first option :)))

why I like that option is that if ypu disable freelook then m-forward gets automatically activated; and the reason I like to test m_forward is that you have variable movement speed if you want similar with controller a bit 🙂 ; it was probably conceived for trackball mouse in the 90s

[solar bough]

Does Doom 3 even have auto aim like in Classic Doom?

[subtle sparrow]

I think it has, don't know. I don't use it anyway; playing with setup like in the 90s is a bit more difficult than in wasd fps style, but I play it on purpose that way. Autoaim in classic Doom was designed as a solution to the vertical problem. I think that even Quake 1 has it to some extend. Because you could not aim up and down in Doom every shot accuracy was calculated on the xy axis and z was entirely considered hit. The again in classic Doom we have plasmagun and rocket launcher that is following the player in dm, but this is not so easy. Because rocket slow load before shooting it can result in many suicides when you play. Plasma then required brain, as in to know to predict enemy position and presence. This is what I like in classic Doom and makes it superior imo to D3, that each weapon was distinctly different. Where in D3 mg is a variation of the chaingun with slight delay difference, plasma is also kind of same functionality as mg and cg only a bit slower projectiles.

[lapis prism]

How do I get past that one place with all the little spider guys and the tentacle commando right after the first hell section??? I have tried like 20 times...

[subtle sparrow]

can you give the name of the map?

[oblique venture]

sounds like the start of Delta Labs 5 to me?
there is enough of them that it seems endless but it's not -- just keep shooting them with anything you've got and they will eventually stop spawning

[devout seal]

It's too bad there is no Doom 3 RTX version yet.

[white willow]

Dead space is a doom 3 rip off

[plush bramble]

Dead Space:
https://tenor.com/view/homelander-gif-26153874

[white willow]

Perhaps

[subtle sparrow]

the purists of idtech4 would protest a lot. RTX would annul (probably) stencil shadow technology, the selling point of idtech4 engine

plus, pardon my rambling, many RTX implementation abuse the usage of reflective materials and volumetric lights (or how are they called) which create uglier graphics than good old ones

[loud silo]

Especially with visual noise if you can't have the denoiser up to the max

Sadly any future DOOM 3 remake will probably have RTX by force unless ID goes back a few engines

[devout seal]

Bah, I want Doom 3 RTX anyway, there is always the OG version to be enjoyed...

[loud silo]

I wantr DOOM 3 to have like

chapter select and better graphics and better arenas

[prime whale]

doom 3 ain't getting a remake at least for a very long time

[loud silo]

Yeah

We might receive a doom 3-like game though which I’m fine with

[solar bough]

There is BFG Edition if that counts.

Anyone tried the BFA mod for BFG Edition?

[subtle sparrow]

as in better multiplayer maps?

[abstract charm]

Yo

[red grove]

[oblique venture]

yeah I mean, they stopped streaming Hugo's playthrough right when he was gonna start hitting the good parts...
extra disappointing for me 'cause I'd just finished recording a little metal jingle to play when chat tells him to save his game 😄

[solar bough]

Bit of a hot take: BFG Edition feels more like Classic Doom than vanilla Doom 3. Stuff like the mounted light better help to make the pacing faster since you're not wasting time switching between the flashlight and any other weapon constantly.

BFG Edition is actually pretty common in speedrunning, I believe, because of these changes to give the game better pacing. https://youtu.be/ebOgK0JRs8s

[misty abyss]

careful , you're gonna summon the separate weapon slot flashlight defense force

[minor edge]

i can see what they mean

[quasi silo]

BFG is also on more systems

So console speedrunners aren't locked to literally two consoles

[minor edge]

yeah

tbh i only use bfg for lost levels

[oblique venture]

I find that the mounted flashlight in BFG actually slows the game down because it tends to run out of charge when right when you're looking for secrets in the dark
but I guess if you were speedrunning you wouldn't need to do that

I don't hate the concept of the armour flashlight but there was absolutely no need to limit the duration.

especially when the levels are designed for a flashlight that doesn't go out on its own

[oblique venture]

I guess there are two major design reasons why I think that was a bad idea
bigger one -- if the point of the mechanic really is to make the game feel more playable to people who didn't like the original flashlight, they shouldn't be punished for doing that
and secondly -- if you're absolutely determined to punish them anyway, breaking the pace of the game is not a good punishment

ultimately I like the original flashlight anyway so it's not that big a deal to me, I just get annoyed on principle 'cause I feel like the armour flashlight was a good idea but the implementation made it bad

[robust estuary]

The game being a lot brighter in general isn't doing it any favors
You don't really need the flashlight much in BFG unless you go out of your way to edit the brightness settings

Fun idea but definitely needed to have a game designed around its use which DOOM 3 is not

[quasi silo]

In a perfect world BFG would allow you to toggle the old flashlight

[solar bough]

There are mods like CstDoom3BFG that do restore the vanilla flashlight, but I don't feel you need any of those.

Dhewm3 + Essential HD Pack is still the best way to play Doom 3 IMO. https://youtu.be/JYbhjQQS5iY

[noble schooner]

bfg edition has butchered lighting as well, there is too much stuff wrong with it

the only good thing about this edition is the 120fps

[solar bough]

Even Dhewm3 can't allow for playing above 60 FPS, and yet other sourceports for Doom 1 and 2, especially the KexEngine port, can do that.

[quasi silo]

Widescreen, achievements, controller support, Lost Mission, there's a lot more to it

And yes I know source ports do some of these but I'm sticking strictly to the improvements I experience as a console player

[noble schooner]

nightdive needs to remaster doom 3

[noble schooner]

I pitty console players

doom 3 looks awesome with mods

[quasi silo]

It's awesome even without them

[solar bough]

Maybe there was a way to uncap the FPS in Dhewm3, but it might've only been for an older version so that's not viable.

[noble schooner]

I tried that and couldn't make it work

[solar bough]

In the end, vanilla Doom 3/Dhewm3 is just gonna be the option people should play, at least for PC.

[quasi silo]

It boils down to preference I would say

[solar bough]

It's a pity, the KexEngine ports for Doom + Doom II and Doom 64 are both good, and yet Doom 3 BFG Edition/2019 version is kinda whack all because it tried to be more Classic Doom.

[solar bough]

In my honest opinion though, Dhewm3 goes really well with the Essential HD Pack. It's the closest we'll ever get to a KexEngine port for Doom 3.

[quasi silo]

Hey now a Nightdive remaster could happen

[solar bough]

But does it have to?

I mean, that could've been the same question we asked about Doom + Doom II's KexEngine port, considering there's already a ton of sourceports out there like Chocolate Doom.

[quasi silo]

Only PC users have access to that

There's a whole other market with consoles. And also releasing an official compiled remaster will always get sales because some people are just unable to set up source ports due to being really bad with tech

[solar bough]

Well even if someone had like a Switch 2, they could still get Chocolate Doom working on an old Thinkpad they might have.

Just type "sudo apt install chocolate-doom" in terminal and you're good to go.

[quasi silo]

And what if they don't have one

[solar bough]

Well, at that point sure the KexEngine port would be the only option. But you'd still need that Thinkpad for stuff like capture cards and what not.

Not to downplay the KexEngine port, it does at least help to make Doom avaliable everywhere. But sourceports are like Linux distros, you have so many it genuinely is overwhelming for newcomers on Windows and Linux.

[quasi silo]

Capture cards are rather uncommon for modern hardware

[solar bough]

I still have one so I can make videos on Splatoon 3.

[solar bough]

There is also Steam Deck, and other PC handhelds.

PC gaming in a console skin (SteamOS).

[loud silo]

What is Dhewm3

[solar bough]

Sourceport for vanilla Doom 3 that has native widescreen and Linux support, among a few other things.

[loud silo]

Does it have chapter select

[solar bough]

No.

[loud silo]

GODDAMNIT

GIVE ME DOOM 3 CHAPTER SELECT ID AND MY LIFE IS YOURS

[solar bough]

This mod includes a level select. https://www.moddb.com/mods/perfected-doom-3-version-500

[quasi silo]

How does one perfect perfection

[oblique venture]

with an extra section for maximum reflection?

wait
did I just accidentally describe "adding a level select" in my attempt to mindlessly rhyme?

[loud silo]

this mod kinda sucks tbh

i think the secondary and primary keybinds are swapped?

[solar bough]

Having the Chaingun hold 450 rounds.

[loud silo]

the added visuals feel very broken (SSAO and shadows mainly)

Givimg me the SSG instead of the Shotgun in delta labs 1 feels weird

I can tell a lot of works gone in but it feels really wonky

[solar bough]

As GmanLives said, it's more like Brutal Doom 3 than anything else.

[uneven oriole]

any mods recommended for bfg edition?

[harsh shadow]

Mods that start with "Classic" or "Perfected" are usually BS

Like some 12-year-old made and named em

[noble schooner]

its even worst when its just a stupid oversaturated ""raytraced"" reshade

[harsh shadow]

It's always arrogant or overly excited people who think they've done better than professionals. But when you're a kid making mods it feels validating and you don't know the difference between amateur and pro yet.

[solar bough]

Try CstDoom3BFG.

It allows you to restore some elements from vanilla that were otherwise absent, among a heap of other features and additions you can use.

[uneven oriole]

I downloaded it and I am currently playing it

I am looking for other mods on top of that one to pair

I know there are graphics mods

[solar bough]

There is Essential HD Pack for vanilla Doom 3 (And also Dhewm3), but that’s all I can think of.

[uneven oriole]

Thank you!

[ionic galleon]

https://youtu.be/wvaZhafQ-9I

[ionic galleon]

if that video is not mine, I just found it

[main edge]

hey man are you still looking to do the achievements?

[main edge]

anyone looking to complete doom 3 multiplayer achievements?

[loud silo]

Apparently clones are canon, at least in doom 3

[nimble nest]

nice

[solar bough]

Anyone else think Sgt. Kelly wearing yellow armor was supposed to be a callback to Quake?

[solar bough]

They're all voiced by Sub-Zero.

[cobalt sky]

Just bought Doom 3 yesterday!

[quasi silo]

Nice, which version?

[cobalt sky]

The one on Steam that comes with the original game, BFG edition, and the expansion pack.

[quasi silo]

Ahhh yeah you're all set

Pretty good deal for the current price point, especially factoring in the fact it's on sale. I remember when all of these were seperate purchases that would total to, like, 45 dollars? I think?

[cobalt sky]

Yeah, the amount of stuff you get is crazy. I also installed Doom 3: Phobos because that was on Steam and I thought I would try it after I finish everything else.

Plus I'll probably play Doom 1 and 2 while I'm at it. Since I haven't played them all fully.

[quasi silo]

I don't recommend the BFG Edition for those two

[cobalt sky]

Yeah.. I know there's better ways to play it. I'll probably play it the better way eventually. Speaking of ways to play a game, is BFG worth playing first?

[quasi silo]

I have rather minimal experience on the original (been holding out on playing it until I get it on Xbox) so I can't speak much from experience, but from what I've heard the original version is a lot scarier and more balanced

BFG felt too easy for me, even on Veteran difficulty (which is this game's equivalent to Hard)

There's a lot of subjective changes that BFG makes, like the flashlight, but also a lot of objective downgrades like the lighting. I would personally play the original first

[cobalt sky]

Ah. Thank you for the advice!

[solar bough]

I personally recommend Dhewm3. It's a sourceport for vanilla Doom 3 that enables native widescreen.

[snow phoenix]

Doom 3 is best played in VR

[burnt orchid]

Why have I been having such a strange hyperfixation on Doom 3 even though I don't even enjoy playing it that much?

Like I'm facinated by this bizzare tech demo

[quasi silo]

Because the game's good 😌

[wraith pumice]

I don't remember this part of Doom 3

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/866205258623221761/1485014533818028284/image.png?ex=69c0530f&is=69bf018f&hm=1d7e4da67c73acfd201d88ece4cef07b7072343d97f8f744d9066e2eaadb6337&

[peak siren]

is it normal doom 3 kinda lags when i look around?

i just got it

and its kinda ruining my experience

[misty abyss]

shit's getting serious I see

[robust estuary]

It shouldn't, it's supposed to be smooth

[peak siren]

doom 3 is so buggy

u cant alt tab out and when u alt enter it takes like 10 seconds

also why does it ask me for a cd key when i open doom 3

i got it on steam and i dont recall getting a key.

[robust estuary]

Something to keep in mind, DOOM 3 is from 2004 and has not seen many updates since then. Alt tabbing was not as important of a thing then and a lot of games from that era are very weird when you try alt-tabbing them from my experience
And needing a key is just a leftover from how DRM used to work. When you bought a game, you'd get a special "CD key" with it, usually a code in the manual inside the box.
If you right click it on steam, mouse over manage, you'll see a "CD Keys" option

[alpine frost]

Is there any like, discord server or anything for Doom 3 Deathmatch? I swear there needs to be one if there isn't. If there is one DM it to me, I'd be very interested.

[solar bough]

Give Dhewm3 a shot. Much more stable than vanilla Doom 3.

[peak siren]

heard decent things about it

[quasi silo]

Both of these are very normal for a 2004 game

[quasi silo]

Replaying DOOM 3 reminded me just how good this game is, and I already liked it a lot

[versed barn]

you can tell how much fun the devs had whilst making it, it has such a defined identity

[quasi silo]

It was quite awesome

It gets a lot of shit online but a lot of it comes from people who have barely played it

[misty abyss]

the so called Doom "fans"

[versed barn]

still closer to the classics gameplaywise than 2016 and Eternal all things considered

[quasi silo]

-# and better than the latter game, imo 🤫

[versed barn]

debatable. I think 3 might be a better DOOM game specifically but Eternal just means a little bit more to me on a personal level

plus it's definitely more fun to just load up and play, 3 is more of an experience

[misty abyss]

I just wish Doom 3 wasn't as short as it was

made game feel quite incomplete

[versed barn]

that's funny cuz I've personally always found DOOM 3 too long lol

[quasi silo]

5 and a half hours is fine length

Not too short but not too long either I'd say

[misty abyss]

i think in that regard 3 and Dark Ages are pretty similar - if you ain't really exploring or fucking around the playtime significantly shortens

[quasi silo]

My 100% Veteran playthrough was 5 and a half hours, same as my any% playthrough on Marine

[minor edge]

OG or BFG?

[quasi silo]

BFG, holding out on playing OG til I get it for Xbox

[minor edge]

ah ok fairs

[minor edge]

Idk I mean the later levels honestly felt kinda samey

here’s my genius pitch they should’ve just had one action level right near the end where the menu theme plays over the top then instantly the level doesn’t feel samey and also all the redditors who were born after nudoom began releasing will call it le epic badass game and stop hating

[quasi silo]

Also yeah I wasn't speaking on an objective basis but rather subjective. I realize this is a VERY hot take

[minor edge]

I like Doom 3 I really fw everything it tried to do

I think the opening level to Doom 3 is my favourite doom level ever

[misty abyss]

they could have made more, longer Hell levels.

[versed barn]

I think the game jjst has some really rocky pacing, thats my biggest issue with it

[quasi silo]

10 year old Redditors is entirely possible thanks to shit like SMG4 indoctrinating children into laughing at big chungus

[versed barn]

Because 2016 is actually longer than 3 and yet it feels shorter

[minor edge]

It took me longer to beat Doom 3 than Doom 2016 I think

[misty abyss]

my total time with expansions is 14 hours , 10 on base game and 2 per expansion

[minor edge]

Though actually I think I was playing slow to show it to my dad so idr

[quasi silo]

How did you get 10 on base game

[versed barn]

You can get lost quite easily

Happened to me a few times

[misty abyss]

that and lockers

[quasi silo]

My first time was like 6 hours

[versed barn]

I think mine was 8

[quasi silo]

I remember this one area in caverns 1

It was when I realized that this game is not "pre-nudoom slop" and is actually cinema

[versed barn]

What area was that lol

[quasi silo]

I think it's in one of those building areas? It was like, on the top floor of one of those, on the balcony, where a ladder was placed for me to climb up

Idk why but that was when it clicked that this game actually fucks

[versed barn]

Yeah the entire 3rd act is just a blast, most of the game ur only fighting imps and soldiers but by the end it just goes all out

[quasi silo]

The superweapons in the DOOM 3 campaigns are satisfying af

The Crucible is cool but the Soul Cube feels much much better to use

[versed barn]

I still wish the Soul Cube would come back in a meaningful way in the NuDOOMs

[quasi silo]

And I like that you actually earn it in-gameplay by killing demons instead of just being a floating pickup in the middle of the arena

[versed barn]

that's another thing yeah, I think the Hammer was slightly better than the Crucible in that regard (at least in terms of how you acquire pips for it)

[quasi silo]

My history with Eternal and DOOM 3 is overall a bit funny

In 2021 I was unfortunately not really into DOOM 3 and I tried Eternal via gamepass, HATED it because I sucked at controller gaming and thought the game was just too mean, and on call with somebody I said that "it's worse than even DOOM 3" to insult the game

[misty abyss]

Agree, magical bullshit is welcome

[quasi silo]

In 2022 I got it for PC and fell in love with it and considered it my favorite game for a solid bit

But then as time passed I started loving DOOM 3 and the other games more and now I can confidently say that it is indeed worse than DOOM 3 lol. And I'm settled in with controller gaming now, full circle isn't it

[versed barn]

I despised Eternal when I first played it, now it's like one of my top 10 games ever. Love the thing to bits (tho it's also partially thanks to how moddable it is, I ain't never playing vanilla Eternal ever again)

[quasi silo]

My feelings for it have toned down over time but I still consider it a good game

[minor edge]

Keep in mind BFG has brighter lighting and more ammo

Meanwhile I was fighting for my fucking life with only grenades

[wraith pumice]

I never got lost while playing Doom 3

I found it to be quite linear

[minor edge]

I hated Eternal when I was playing the first few levels (though I still recognised how much of a bomb ass intro Hell on Earth is) but by the time of ARC Complex I understood

[quasi silo]

Does it account for almost double the playtime though 😭

[minor edge]

Iunno

[wraith pumice]

for some reason the Dhewm3 source port always crashes to desktop when I start a level 😭

this happened with the newest version, it never happened in older versions

[versed barn]

for me the progression was that I liked it at first, then it got worse as it kept going. I really wasn't a fan of all the Night Sentinel stuff and how much focus it was given. That all changed when I played DOOM 3, and realized this whole "ancient civilization going to war with Hell" thing wasn't just something the nuDOOM's made up, it's been a thing even in the days of the old games, the new ones are just properly exploring it. It didn't feel as phoned in as I thought before I suppose. Obviously the Martians weren't ever intended to be the Night Sentinels back then but it certainly layed the groundwork

[wraith pumice]

I get a particular enjoyment from playing Doom 3 that I rarely have with any other Doom game, even the NuDooms

[minor edge]

Oh I also dislike the sentinels tbh

I dislike most of Eternal’s story but the gameplay is fun

Final Sin totally rocks I was ecstatic the first time I played it (this is mostly because Hell on Earth plays there with is one of Mick Gordon’s finest, probably in my top 10 doom series songs)

[wraith pumice]

I used to view Eternal in very high regards but I... don't like it as much as I used to
I still like it but it doesn't have the title of being one of my all time favourite fps games anymore

[minor edge]

I loooove doom 3

[versed barn]

I think it's neat personally. I'm a sucker for ruined civilizations. Main thing I take issue with is how TDA didn't live up to the potential of their story

[quasi silo]

Same honestly

[minor edge]

2016 or TDA are probably the only dooms I’d consider putting in my favourite fps games list

Or wait maybe Legacy of Rust actually

[quasi silo]

The gameplay and music are fun which is good enough but if I hold this game to the standards of other id games released at the time, it's lacking

[versed barn]

I have all three up there personally. I mean I got 1300hrs on Eternal, that's gotta count for smth

or maybe i have shit taste i dunno lol

[wraith pumice]

I like how Doom 2016 and TDA allow you to use the weapons you WANT to use and are more relaxing with their combat, which is why I prefer them both to Eternal

[minor edge]

my favourite fps games are probably Legacy of Rust, Neon White, Cruelty Squad and Ultrakill

Legacy of Rust is just so good it’s like modern doom in classic

Shame the enemies in it never caught on

[quasi silo]

Wolfenstein TNO is up there for me. Yet to replay LoR, never cared to

[wraith pumice]

I used to think Eternal has like THE most peak fps combat system ever, but over time I realized how restricting and exhausting it can be

[minor edge]

Tbh it felt restricting at first but

If u know how to play u can just SSG everything anyway LOL

Genuinely people are lying when they say you can’t because like no I can just infinite grab ammo lol

[versed barn]

it really isnt that restricting tho honestly

i think there's just a general consensus on how you should play

[minor edge]

it’s soooo good bro u just have to be #tappedin

it really feels like it represents the whole franchise (lowk wish they called the ghouls The Forgotten Ones to reference doom 3 lol)

but like obviously it’s like classic doom but it also has some levels with a more modern doom approach to arenas and then there’s levels like Ash Mill and Panopticon with that doom 64/3 dread or horror

[wraith pumice]

I really like a lot of shooters from the 90s to early 2000s
Blood, Quake 1, Half-Life 1, Duke Nukem 3D, Dark Forces, Return To Castle Wolfenstein

[minor edge]

I’m abt to replay Quake 1 I am rather excited

[versed barn]

Q1's great

[wraith pumice]

while I like Classic Doom I don't view it as a super amazing game like so many others do

[quasi silo]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-laugh-laughing-funny-gif-13237345185031310090

RtCW on that list...

[wraith pumice]

let's be real: a lot of the Classic Doom clones from the 90s are better than Classic Doom itself

[versed barn]

sorry im tired lol, im half reading

[wraith pumice]

meanwhile I'm replaying Half-Life 1, this time the PS2 port (which I never played before) via PCSX2

[toxic spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-awkward-awkward-smile-awkward-meme-awkward-silence-gif-2045005216625041570

[versed barn]

thank you

[loud silo]

i can't believe between doom 2016, doom eternal, and doom tda, doom 3 somehow manages to have the best object physics

[quasi silo]

Tbf it came out when object physics were more sought after in the industry

[loud silo]

the difference is still kind of embarrassing (and immersion breaking imo)

[robust estuary]

DOOM 3 had a weapon dedicated to object physics, while nudoom didn't have a need for it
Why waste resources on something that isn't that important or used

[loud silo]

I'm talking about base game, not the extensions

[robust estuary]

Even then, objects fly around because Spooky Ghost Shit™

Object physics were still a needed part of DOOM 3, on top of what Anome already said

[loud silo]

doesn't really forgive NuDOOM having physics so light that it feels like everything is a ball of paper

[robust estuary]

By the time nudoom came around object physics were both old news and also not that important unless a game needs it for something

[robust estuary]

I don't see what the problem here is
You aren't supposed to be lifting and throwing stuff around in nudoom, why does it matter?

[loud silo]

cuz it looks nice

[quasi silo]

Everything feeling like a ball of paper is a good thing when the game is as combat-heavy as it is. You can kick explosive barrels into enemies and blow them up

[ionic galleon]

https://youtu.be/R5Kv9vIY5ik

[prime whale]

No

[solar bough]

Is there a way to uncap the framerate in Dhewm3?

[dim skiff]

I love how the main theme from this game sounds like 4 different Tool songs mashed together

[solar bough]

BFG Edition can run well above that so IDK what they did to allow that.

Maybe an updated engine.

[quasi silo]

id Tech 5

[quasi silo]

It's one of the better ones imo

64, Eternal, Final DOOM for sure. Maaaybe DOOM 1 & II? Not entirely sure on that

Very hard to choose though because they're all great. And my opinions tend to fluctuate

[gray harbor]

Yeah I couldn't get into doom eternal. I haven't even bought dark ages. I prefer doom3 to the newer doom games

[quasi silo]

My copy of DOOM 3 for OG Xbox arrived

[versed estuary]

Niceeeee

[quasi silo]

16:9 support is quite dope

[tame mist]

Sweet

[frosty hearth]

doom 3 look amazing

🔥

https://tenor.com/view/mancubus-doom-3-gif-17915598113135757634

[wraith pumice]

amazing port

[alpine frost]

I can't believe I haven't used Gamebanana until now

It has so many maps for Doom 3, especially old ones

[main edge]

shamelessly reaching out again for anyone who wants to complete the multiplayer achievements for doom 3

[quasi silo]

Wrong chat

[grizzled trench]

oh

[pulsar root]

whats different from the PC release?

[sterile quarry]

Some levels were spilt and cut down in order to not completely bog down the lesser hardware

As far as I can recall

[pulsar root]

Ah

[sterile quarry]

And if I’m correct the game runs at a lower resolution than PC

[quasi silo]

Ye but also widescreen and a level select

[minor edge]

@ebon mango

https://klipy.com/gifs/rhodey-doncheadle

[ebon mango]

👍

[quasi silo]

Level select is actually peak for these console ports idk why they didn't have them in the originals

[woven flower]

The cuts were not bad. Like a few doors.

Most games add doors to be more stable. Not doom 3.

[quasi silo]

Finished DOOM 3 2004. Honestly I liked this as much as I liked the BFG Edition. Don't really get the hate for that edition

[pulsar root]

only thing i know is that less mods work for doom BFG edition, and it has brighter lighting making it less spooky compared to the OG, although i never noticed it.

[quasi silo]

Same for the second part, and as for the first, I don't care for mods anyway

[minor edge]

doom 3 has some bangin mods tho tbf

[quasi silo]

Arguably the most famous one being adding in a BFG Edition thing

Which is funny in retrospect, since now people aim to do the opposite, de-BFG the BFG Edition

[woven flower]

It's a lot of little things you start to notice after you've played both versions at least half a dozen times.
Xbox doom 3 > og doom 3 > BFG edition

[lapis prism]

I personally prefer Doom 3 BFG edition for Xbox 360 but that's because it also has doom 1 and 2

[harsh shadow]

I just can't play BFG edition because of the damage value modifications and the shoulder mounted flashlight... And it's off center.. whereas DHEWM3 has a perfectly centered flashlight and it's of course mutually exclusive to the other weapons which does what it is supposed to do.

It's like Gabe Newell said... feedback is fun.. for me immersion is also fun... But just pure realism is not.

I can respect what the original dooms did... But I also know that going back to that formula is always a step backward if not multiple steps backward. those games were hyperactive shooting galleries... But did have cool secrets. they're definitely not the future of the FPS genre.

to be fair I'm also thoroughly disgusted with people who think we should all be part of a monoculture where we all agree on the same things. diversity in everything is usually a good thing

[minor edge]

trueee

[true peak]

just finished 2016. last week I done eternal. what's next?

doom 3?

[shy viper]

Doom II

[vale parcel]

Definitely not coming on to discord and asking

[orchid tide]

Hi Gougaru, Whats up?

[true peak]

huh?

[wraith pumice]

og Doom 3 makes an autosave for the beginning of each level so I guess it's the equivalent of that?

[quasi silo]

Yeah but autosaves overwrite

[vale parcel]

Just killing demons. And you?

[orchid tide]

Trying to wake up lol

[cobalt sky]

Doom 3 feels like if id software was tasked with making a Half-Life 1 reboot.

The demons spawning from portal runes are basically the xen teleports. Imps are kinda like the vortigaunts. The spider things are headcrabs. The whole thing is a catastrophe at a science facility. There's several scientists you find through the facility that you may need to protect or get information from. The hell teleportation sequence with the scientist kinda feels like the xen teleportation. In hell you find dead scientists with ammo packs around the level, similar to xen. The health machines are similar looking to the ones in the half life console ports.

[quasi silo]

DOOM 3 is a DOOM 1 remake, most of what you mentioned (in terms of setting) is directly from DOOM 1. Half-Life is the knockoff if anything

I do agree with some of it like the Imp and Vort stuff tho, there was a lot of inspiration since HL1 was the next big thing after Quake

But some things like spider and headcrab is a bit silly :p

[misty abyss]

giant screaming testicle on legs

[quasi silo]

Fetus final boss

[misty abyss]

yeah, Half Life 1 plot is surprisingly similar to Doom 1

and Doom 3 itself referred to Doom bible with certain decisions made

[vale parcel]

Facts

[turbid furnace]

I'm nearing the section where you fight the zombie commandos, how do you deal with them?

[quasi silo]

For the melee ones, crouch before they attack and keep your distance
For the chaingun ones, grenades will be your friend

[gray harbor]

[cobalt sky]

Yeah, for me it feels extra amplified as you basically get to see the resonance cascade of the Doom world in Doom 3. Plus most of the scientists you actually see kinda look and sound like the bald scientist with glasses in HL1.

[cobalt sky]

I know, I'm just making HL-rotted statements. I was steaming the game to my friend and we both were pointing at random stuff yelling "ITS THE THING FROM HALF LIFE!!" It's just what happens when you play Valve stuff before id. Hope you don't mind.

[quasi silo]

Oh nah my messages came off as more apprenehsive than what was felt, I do indeed find it funny

[lapis prism]

I onlt own bfg edition

[devout pier]

If you own it on Steam or GOG, you also own the OG DOOM 3

[lapis prism]

Xbox 360 disc

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-smirk-shrek-sus-shrek-smile-gif-4983018699107868283

[wraith pumice]

@quasi silo enjoying the og xbox port?

[quasi silo]

I finished it a few days back, it rocked

[wraith pumice]

nice

[mystic marsh]

would anyone here be willing to help me with multiplayer achievements?
(my friend bets that I cant 100% this game cuz he thinks its unbearable and Im proving him wrong
Also im 100%-ing every doom game and its second to last one I gotta do)

[lapis prism]

Damn I would if I
You know
Had it for pc

[surreal pike]

O wish bfg edition either had cheats or let you play the og Xbox version, or a 2004 mode where the flashlight is in yout hands instead of the shoulder mounted bs

[cursive gulch]

Is it really though?

It don't got a lot to do with doom 1

[misty abyss]

a honest to god reboot of Doom 1, takes story beats from original game too

[minor edge]

? how

or do u mean the half life being a knock off of doom

[mystic marsh]

yall think its fine if I just SAM it?

[quasi silo]

Your choice

But personally I find it lame

[silent dust]

Half life is NOT a knock off

Half life 1 came out before doom 3 btw

[quasi silo]

And after DOOM 1, which is what it's being compared to here :p

[silent dust]

Yes i know that, but im talking about doom 3 and half life not anything else

[quasi silo]

And we weren't talking about DOOM 3 and Half-Life 😭

It was DOOM 1 and Half-Life

[silent dust]

Oh

Mb lmao

[vale parcel]

Half life invented teleportation gone wrong. This message is brought to you by brundle fly

[pearl ridge]

I dont get the half life hate

Like have yall even played half life

[quasi silo]

Yes

[quasi silo]

Also there is no "hate" for it here. It's a fine game. It taking from DOOM is pretty obvious (also this is more fit for general, we're crowding the D3 channel unnecessarily)

[mystic marsh]

yes I do too, but there's literally no one playing this game in multiplayer

[quasi silo]

Post in the Steam forums maybe

That's how I got my multiplayer achievements for the game, before moving to console

[mystic marsh]

alr, there actually is more people doing them there lol
thanks

[digital urchin]

3 mood

[vapid pier]

Anyone wanna populate a multiplayer server?

[alpine frost]

I got a server up on og Doom 3 is anyone wants to deathmatch, it’s called “H’s DM”

[subtle sparrow]

port forward on router or just worked by default?

[brittle fractal]

help, i am struggling to download doom 3 from iso, it keeps saying there are missing files, how to fix it?

[quasi silo]

Download it from your own copy

[alpine frost]

?

[alpine frost]

I'm hosting again rn, same server name, og Doom 3

actually hold on one sec

it’s up

[brittle fractal]

ok fellow slayers i douwnloaded it but doesnt run, any ideas? (i quickly remind its an iso version, the one from 2004)

i mean i have it installed

[subtle sparrow]

oh, forgive me my lack of specifying; I was wondering if you need to open the specific port on your router to make server available for connection; I could not even connect client/server on my LAN with router, only if I connect PC to PC and firewall OFF

[alpine frost]

um, shoot, idk if i need to or not

how would I check?

actually here you just want to test joining again?

[subtle sparrow]

you need to check if your port is open on the specified port; which is 27666 or something; no, sorry for my lack of explaining 🙂 I want to make a doom3 mod for client server and then make my server available but is a far away project; I was just wondering if you did some additional router settings; thanks for your response; the reason I would not play d3 now is the lack of quality dm maps, first; then weapons need some modifications to make the gameplay good, imo (mod needed)

[alpine frost]

oh you dont play DM on Doom 3 normally?

[brittle fractal]

can someone help

[alpine frost]

what's not working?

[brittle fractal]

game itself

[alpine frost]

Is it not opening?

[subtle sparrow]

I played d3 duels in 2005 or something, but did not touch it much since; and I only do LANs anyway; but for testing a mod in the future the Internet would be fine I guess

[brittle fractal]

just like that.

when i open it normally it shows the error that i must open it as admin

but qhen i do, the game doesnt run

[alpine frost]

oh weird

[quasi silo]

You're on an outdated version

The old releases used DRM that modern Windows doesn't support

[brittle fractal]

maybe thats windows 11 going quirky again.

[quasi silo]

You have to update your game

[alpine frost]

I mean that happened to me recently (minuts the admin stuff), go into properties and check the files integrity?

[brittle fractal]

how

[quasi silo]

I don't know where you'd find a patch

[brittle fractal]

you talkin about 1.3.1 patch?

[alpine frost]

try mine first, id reckon that could fix it for yoiu

[quasi silo]

Yes that's the one that fixes this issue

[brittle fractal]

ill tey it first

*try

if it works, nothing else

if doesnt- ill download the patch

anyway thanks for helping me

[alpine frost]

I mean I'd be down to test your mods, my game is always just a little funny with multiplayer though

[alpine frost]

oh btw, do you have a 16:9 monitor?

[brittle fractal]

indeed

yeh i heard about dhewm3

[alpine frost]

the game will be stuck in a smaller res than your screen

[alpine frost]

you can do it by the console if you dont want to use mods

[brittle fractal]

oh well

[quasi silo]

This stretches the HUD

[alpine frost]

there's like four commands you need to put in

[quasi silo]

I'd either go for dhewm3 or just live with it being 4:3

[alpine frost]

I dont really notice it tbf

[brittle fractal]

no need, ill try dhewm3 widescreen fix

[alpine frost]

fair

[brittle fractal]

i think i have it downloaded

[quasi silo]

I did, the crosshair was oval which really bugged me

I play on Xbox now though and the 2004 version of DOOM 3 has widescreen without stretching there

[robust estuary]

I think it depends on how you change the settings and maybe your monitor
For some (like Anome) is stretches the hud, but when I did it it looked just fine
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/920390932384337920/1490446162141122641/20240624111649_1.jpg?ex=69d415a8&is=69d2c428&hm=31d770ffc4ef302668396857ea12e608ebbf5b8800e7a5ed2222bc21844d2416&

[quasi silo]

That's stretched

[robust estuary]

Is it? The reticle looks fine at least

[quasi silo]

It's oval

[robust estuary]

In yours or in mine because I see a circle

[quasi silo]

In both

[robust estuary]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/920390932384337920/1490446919988805702/image.png?ex=69d4165c&is=69d2c4dc&hm=9da1b24d0dea90297a712c116f3bf284e25d4cd3976e494bcfd992cfc54fd309&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=164&height=180

That is a circle

[quasi silo]

Oval

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1180586669037068340/1490447136947437771/image.png?ex=69d41690&is=69d2c510&hm=0bae5d093b35eb752655342d2987879217b9e64383ac14bc85b4d7eaa4a9576e&

Is an oval

Right is how it's supposed to look

[alpine frost]

oh shoot i cant post an image

[robust estuary]

Oh huh

Doesn't look to stretched when playing then ig

[robust estuary]

Use embeds

[quasi silo]

Have fun aiming with your oval

[robust estuary]

Aimed just fine for me ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[quasi silo]

Well yeah it shouldn't make too much of a difference because you'd be focusing on the center dot anyway

But it's oval and that's evil

[robust estuary]

Ofc now that you point it out I see it as an oval
Thanks anome

[quasi silo]

It'll bug you forever

[alpine frost]

yeah i just realized that too

it is an oval (barely)

i couldnt notice

[quasi silo]

It's 7 pixels wider than it is tall

Quite big of a leap when you remember the whole thing is like 31 px

[alpine frost]

btw how would you run dhewm 3 with like, a mod?

[brittle fractal]

checked, didnt work. gonna use 1.3.1 patch

[alpine frost]

oh, thought doing it would give you the 1.3.1 files

[brittle fractal]

do i have to extract the patch to doom 3 base files?

[alpine frost]

Idk

[brittle fractal]

OK IT WORKED

[alpine frost]

Tuff

[brittle fractal]

i extracted it to doom 3 directory and now it works

[quasi silo]

You're welcome

[brittle fractal]

first impressions of doom 3: less dynamic than previous parts

graphics are cool and climatic

hadnt found any glitches yet

[quasi silo]

Wdym by less dynamic

[brittle fractal]

i mean the beggining kinda slow

and a bit boring

[quasi silo]

I found it dope

[minor edge]

i looove the beginning

[floral mortar]

i love doom 3 its the best doom game

[subtle sparrow]

hm. do you play it often?

[alpine frost]

the beginning is just a good time to mess around and act like a speedrunner lowk

the first half of the game is kinda mediocre (other than Administration, Alpha 4, and Communications) but everything from Recycling 2 to the final level is great spare like two maps

[quasi silo]

The first half of the game is kinda great (other than) but everything from Mars City to the final level is great spare like 0 maps

[cursive gulch]

Its setup

[brittle fractal]

nevermind i was slow because i didnt know where to go

its fricking hell

[brittle fractal]

also i forgot to mention that this game is graphically disgusting

[quasi silo]

How

It's one of the best looking games of that time

[brittle fractal]

i know, i mean its really graphic. i dont really like such stuff

[quasi silo]

Oh you meant it that way, I see

[winter solar]

I mean. It's doom so it's kinda expected imo

[summer crater]

doom 3 bfg edition multiplayer no one? :/

i think deathmatch

[winter jolt]

Doom 3 was underated

[ebon mango]

It's pretty well liked in this server

[hoary charm]

I want to try it again

[cursive gulch]

By who???

It sold really well and reviewed well, who underrated it?

[quasi silo]

A lot of people in shit like youtube videos

I saw a DOOM challenge where they beat the series deathless but cut DOOM 3 out for some reason

And the whole good game bad doom game thing...

LM is right about it being appreciated here though

And to me the thing that matters most is my own enjoyment of it

[dusk blaze]

Has anyone here played doom 3 phobos?

[terse surge]

Yeah first episode

[dusk blaze]

What did you think of it?

[terse surge]

Unarguably the best D3 mod

I really liked that almost each weapon felt balanced

Like they serve a purpose instead of being "use and forget" whenever you get a stronger weapon

[dusk blaze]

thats a very good sign to me

I love a weapon roster were everything is useful, ala Half Life 1

[trim berry]

I have, mixed thoughts on it. Mostly negative sadly.

[dusk blaze]

thats quite the contrast

why do you dislike it?

[wraith pumice]

kinda want to play the BFG Edition on xbox 360

[cursive gulch]

It's neat that they got it up on steam

[dusk blaze]

makes it a lot easier for me to play

I've never modded Doom 3, except for dhewm 3

[rotund linden]

I am in hell now in doom 3

[strong tiger]

Hope you enjoy the best hell enviro in all doom games.

[rose forge]

I mean as someone who hardly gets to play it, it’s alright so far, a little sluggish but it’s alright

[quasi silo]

I love it

[subtle sparrow]

I think that the Maggot is one of the worst enemies ever conceived in a fps game; is weak, only does melee and constantly comes UNDER the player to scratch player's balz; if one would use the shotgun to shoot the enemy so absurdly vertically like in the game, he would shoot himself in the foot

[quasi silo]

What's wrong with all that exactly

Just sounds like a gimmicky enemy to me

[subtle sparrow]

it comes too close, enemy range is (and remained) probably broken, and is not hard, because deals small damage, only annoying. if you don't crouch and you get hit you are blinded by the effects of his melee damage plus being thrown with knockback it f up your aim so you shoot blindly a lot at your own feet to kill him. then (of course) don't forget to reload. yet if you crouch he is done quickly, but I find this a cheap solution. I gonna replace him entirely I guess on all maps with a text editor with something else, imps or zombies ftw. and by the way when he does those melee hits he comes so close that you effectively see through monster's model (at times)

[subtle sparrow]

another thing which I dislike but this is common to all monsters not just to Maggot, is that they just come right at you, sometimes they dodge but then back to their right forward script; the argument can be that is designed as such to be right in your face; I wonder if this was not an incipient attempt to the xbox target, though, since controller aiming is mostly efficient at close range. when they made Doom3 they did not want to rewrite the entire game the year after, when they made the game available for the xbox as well -which they had in mind from the beginning; ie the cacodemon is strong enough with his projectiles (and annoying with his blinding exploding projectiles) so having him come close to melee to me feels just bad (headbutt the player and knock him 1,000 m LOL); actually now that I think about, many demons in Doom3 has two attacks. combined with the linearity of the game, narrow spaces and the additional things that players have to do gameplay wise (constantly reload, constantly change weapons) I don't know if this was not too much

[winter solar]

how can you hate the maggot when the vulgar exists.....

the vulgar is probably my least favorite doom 3 enemy

[honest basalt]

Doom 3 is my favorite

I also like quake and turok

Check those out

[subtle sparrow]

I go with Hexen now. medium difficulty is enough since I learn to play with the trackball. still the back and forth on maps to open buttons is a bit bore. back and forth navigation is a bit like in resident evil, but in RE quests are more refined and intuitive, thus easy to remember. In Hexen, if you activate a bullhead, good luck with finding what door open and where

[floral mortar]

I beat all the campains and its the best doom game ever

[unborn linden]

WHAT IS UP HORROR GAME PEEPS

[dusk blaze]

Resurrection of Evil is surprisingly high up for me

I think only the nu doom games Ive played are higher

[versed estuary]

Is so solid

It takes the best of doom 3
But also condenses the pacing into 3 hours

So there is little to no downtime

[dusk blaze]

My main flaw is that its too easy

Compared to Doom 3 being too hard/bs

Take away a few human corpses to reduce the number of souls you can get and it balances out I think

[sinful moss]

My main flaw is that the console version doesnt have cinematic motion blurr

[hoary charm]

if i get doom 3, any suggested setting i should put it on for pc?

[robust estuary]

Whatever your PC can handle, which considering how old DOOM 3 is means anything at max if possible
The default settings work well enough, I don't remember messing with anything like shadows or whatnot

[hoary charm]

I'm mostly asking because my og copy of doom 3 BFG edition make me sick. I got stuck in a loop because I'm bad at navigation and the textures got me

[robust estuary]

Ah
Og DOOM 3 is a bit different (mostly darker) if that helps, but the navigation is largely the same so that much won't be different

[hoary charm]

Ah. I might need to play with gamma up high. I'm half blind and struggle to see

[robust estuary]

BFG is lighter, but if it made you sick then that's not a great option
DOOM 3 does have a source port, but how much it let's you customize how the game/lighting is im not sure. I don't use it so I'm not 100% on what all it can do

It's called like dhewm3 or something

[hoary charm]

I can probably figure something out

I'm trying to collect them all in my steam

[robust estuary]

DOOM 3 is easy at least, buying it on steam gets you both versions (BFG and 2004) so there's that

[hoary charm]

nice

[rose forge]

Not that far in the game, but honestly it seems fun, I don't get the hate, other than it's VERY different.

[prisma crypt]

Guys should I play doom 3 it just looks kinda epic

I played 2016 and a bit of eternal and doom 3 looks different but still kinda goodd

[versed estuary]

It’s good

My favorite doom

[empty shard]

👍

[snow phoenix]

Doom 3 is a great game so yes
It's a little slower and a horror game so it's not the same as Eternal

[strong tiger]

OG D3 is best with Dhewm3. Or if you play BFG version, use RBDoom3. Also download D3HDP pack for higher poly models and high res textures.

[late roost]

Does Dhewm3 let you run borderless fullscreen? Kind of annoying to have to CTRL+ALT+DEL every time I wanna check my browser lol

[torpid raven]

I'm playing doom 3 enhanced edition, but when increasing the aspect ratio beyond 4:3 it stretches out everything horizontally. Does anybody know a fix for that? And maybe the fps cap as well

[devout seal]

I never figured out what use had the Adrenaline item!

[devout seal]

Doom 3 is under the surface a very faithful Doom game!

[quasi silo]

It refills your stamina and makes it infinite for some time, iirc

[surreal pike]

I like this game. Its good

My personal fav

Though is there a way to.mske cheats work on bfg/gamepass edition? Or am I stuck with playing the older doom 3

[red hornet]

Hey I'm working on a raytracing implementation in Doom 3(and a bunch of other games) powered by my IceBridge technology that allows for quick and easy integration into various games. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVXFVexqx34 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVuRuBxhbUQ

[prisma crypt]

Is there a way to get more than 60fps in it without messing up the engine

[red hornet]

It runs at 90fps on a 2060

RTCW using my tech runs at 140 to 240fps on a 2060

[prisma crypt]

So there's a 90fps cap?

[red hornet]

Yeah default engine has it at 60 i just increased it to 90

[prisma crypt]

Oh there's something called dhewm3

[red hornet]

My stuff Isn't using dwhem3 as a base, I started with the original source.

[subtle sparrow]

you did make also some unfinished work with quake3 raytracing? or was someone else? I remember that I compiled the code from github and it had unresolved issues
not trying to bash you, any contribution is good for the modding world I guess. I also have enough unifished projects that are waiting for my lazy tempo

[red hornet]

So I had some previous work with Quake 3(these were isolated heavy engine refactors). IceBridge can go into any OpenGL 1.x game in a matter of minutes, I already have over 12 games working with D3D12(without touching a single line of rendering code) and with raytracing. I have RTCW for example uploaded here: https://github.com/jmarshall23/DarkWolf/

Were the entire game with the same look and feel is fully playable with native integrated raytracing, if there is a demand for it ill upload Quake 3 as well.

[split notch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4QJtnlGjvk

[woeful tartan]

Here is a question, can it run doom 2 running doom?

[split jay]

I just realised theres a doom film where the rock played in it and it also included a doom 3 demo for xbox

[red hornet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vzhLvBibvM

For those that I don't know I did come across a build of Quake 4 the awakening(lost expansion for Quake 4). I dont know if this the right place to put it up but I did put up a new video that includes the first 1 minute and half of it.

[runic echo]

I need help

Trying to get the mod port of The Lost Mission to work for Dhewm3 and it's not wroking

[misty abyss]

please get rid of that obnoxious watermark

[floral mortar]

I play the bfg version

[misty abyss]

very funny

i just want to see it clearly

[red hornet]

The watermark is to honestly there for a couple reasons: 1) I dont want any pre-release material to be miscontrued later on to be the game(I blame yt short zombies for this) 2) to easily show people in charge that I have the build and if they wanted to contact me for any reason they have the ability to do so.

But its a personal peeve me of mine, the idiots that create the AI generated deep voice asshole that grabs legacy gameplay footage from games and spreads misinformation about it, so with the watermark it allows the historical value to be intact(before any official remaster) and prevent the AI idiots, who are honestly the ones who are complaining about the watermark the loudest, from grabbing the footage and montizing it through unethical means.

[misty abyss]

well damn, guess we won't ever see Q4 Awakening

[red hornet]

When I release it you'll know.

[vale parcel]

Doom 3 good

[cerulean dagger]

I wanna eat a Trite

[harsh shadow]

Cue Doom fan sent to send all us Doom 3 lovers to hell. I think they'd really yell "heresy" if I told them the Doom 3 shotgun is better for all medium and heavy enemies compared to the Doom 1 shotgun. The Doom 1 shotgun is a nice streetsweeper for zombies and demons, but completely sucks against pinky demons and heavier (on Hurt Me Plenty at least)

It's definitely perfectly valid to like either or both. Although I'm siding with the Doom 3 shotgun for its more rewarding gameplay loop that involves forcing the player to grow past their anxieties about rushing demons up close (at least that's exactly how it was in 2004). Plus, it pulverizes them and you can one-shot a revenant if you plant it nicely.
It's also fair to remind oldschool Doom fans that the shotgun spread is literally a one-dimensional line of several pellets

[vale parcel]

Well put

[minor edge]

i love doom 3's shotguns ngl

[cursive gulch]

I think its because the doom 1 shotgun is basically a sniper

Whereas the doom 3 shotgun is like a typical video game shotgun with literally no range

[queen olive]

Doom 1 shotgun is literally a primary weapon for doom 1 it’s easy to barons with it what 😭 you ARE a heretic…

[subtle sparrow]

how heroically put; actually is much simpler the explanatio: Doom3 was designed with xbox in mind (albeit was released for PC first) and controllers aim better at close range; then in doom3 mission paks you got sshotgun with basically the same functionality, only stronger boom; the chaingun is a stronger machinegun, so weapons are reduntant in doom3 while i Doom1 each weapon was clearly distinct from one another;

basically after Doom2, every next idgame suffered of the same problem: time to release: they were all basically rushed to meet the schedule time; actually if I am not mistaken Doom2 as well supposed to be larger in scale and more distinct than Doom1 but I don't recall where I read that; in the end it is more like an expansion pack than a new game, from technical and general perspectives

[subtle sparrow]

for Quake3 the RTX implementation would require rewriting shaders as well, I guess? the original rendering opengl implementation is using ie cubemaps for reflective materials like metallic surfaces (a technique also used with Source in Half Life2, only there cubemaps are generated based on map geometry and are compiled, so is a bit more advanced, compared to static cubemaps of q3 who are basically just some imgs ported into cubemaps)

[harsh shadow]

No, it was supposed to be a PC/Mac game. The finished art style and Birdie were first unveiled at Mac World 2001.

[harsh shadow]

just not a massive fan of how the original Doom shotgun doesn't reward you for being up close really.. like a shotgun should. there are quite a few shotguns that are actually bad in gaming, including shotguns in every Call of Duty game ever made. Crysis's wasn't great. Crysis 2's was decent. Gears of War's is also pretty bad, even less range. But yes, it is satisfying to gib people with it. The problem is it's cone is even worse than Doom 3's and the damage fall off is horrific after like 4 feet

[subtle sparrow]

we actually build Doom3 core with the xbox in mind; it was John Carmack's words himself in one of his keynotes
I had this discussion already in idtech4 channel, and until I pinpointed the exact statement of Carmack people kept saying the same thing.
unfortunately I had to left the channel because... never mind, let's just say that did not fit my style, ... so I would have to dig again to find that statement of Carmack; maybe I will do at a later time. searching through my discussions on idtech4 would give faster result but I dont intend to even try rejoining

[harsh shadow]

Well it does make some sense.. But yeah I mean the public consciousness is going to be the mac world reveal. It wouldn't be very hard to just ask AI to find it

[subtle sparrow]

back in 2001 the direction of the game was not decided yet, this is why it departed quite a lot from the presentation; I wish they woud have follow that direction though

[harsh shadow]

I trust Gemini more than I do chat GPT these days. It certainly would be an interesting challenge for a programmer like carmack. He would have known the limitations of the Xbox versus PCs

[subtle sparrow]

the statement of Carmack was one filmed, don't know if AI could find the statement; chatgpt does not even analyze or watch youtube videos only read comments or something ?

[red hornet]

Basically just ignore the shader and just deterministically say this is a reflective surface and ditchh the cubemap

[oblique venture]

Well yeah, and plus it's like, oh I'm so sorry you sometimes have an actual reason to use the extremely cool plasma gun instead 😛

[harsh shadow]

Fair but I know the shotgun is kinda the trusty weapon in Doom...all-'rounder

[oblique venture]

true
but when a gun has the best sound design in the entire franchise I think it's understandable if the devs want you to use it 😄

not even counting how it looks... or that reload animation... or how meaty those blue orbs are when you shoot them
I guess I just love the Doom 3 plasma XD

[harsh shadow]

Yes it is great

And I don't think I'll ever get over how perfect the art style is. Battletech meets Aliens

[cursive gulch]

This is doom 3

I know quake 4 is kinda like doom 3 but that don't make it doom 3

[minor edge]

not like we have anything else to talk about here

let the man post about quake 4

[wraith schooner]

1. Stay on topic
2. I know Justin "IceColdDuke" is a vibe coder, and with that we don't allow AI Generated slop on this server.
3. This isn't a server to be leaking content

[minor edge]

Oh it’s vibe coded? :/

[wraith pumice]

I'm replaying Doom 3 and holy shit what the hell are people talking about when they say this game is slow

it can be very fast-paced especially when you know the codes

[versed estuary]

Die hard modern doom fan boys are what mostly caused the hate wave

[hoary charm]

yes

[dusk blaze]

guess who can't play doom 3 phobos because linux

[wraith pumice]

I mean this is 100% correct

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/937075841366630421/1500176301259100311/image.png?ex=69f77b8e&is=69f62a0e&hm=f8063ad184f66c7364fee1ef566e30d370df1eb017c0f50630a4e384d6780d0a&

[minor edge]

there were way too many commandos tentacle whipping me to death for me to agree

[subtle sparrow]

unfortunately animation for imps take so long when they teleport that they can be shot before the attack script kicks in

[dusk blaze]

never thought imps were too prevalent at any time

[harsh shadow]

Yeah there've been YouTube content creators who've pointed out how Doom 3 burns the candle slowly at first but then it ramps up during the halfway point

this game is kinda a life-changing experience if you have surround sound speakers

[halcyon dragon]

Fr

[outer pecan]

lt's be real

doom 3 should a graphical remaster maybe using doom 2016's graphics

[subtle sparrow]

I am not sure that Doom 2016 engine is so much better. With so much fake engines these days I don't know what should be chose. Fake engines meaning downgrade older rendering techniques to sell newest RTX cards; (ie when I upgraded my NV30 card to a newer one in 2000s, hot steam from pipes would deform the image on my old card, and this effect was gone if you updated the Detonator driver; you needed a newer card for the effect to be back, or backroll the driver on NV30, I mean this marketing trick existed since back then)

[wraith pumice]

do you guys think Doom 3 should have had Spectre versions of the Pinky Demons like in the other Doom games?

[unkempt crescent]

With how condensed Doom 3 is, the level layouts wouldn't jell well with the spectre pinkies. Might be invisible but if you're funneled down a tight corridor your invisibility is useless.

Doom 3 doesn't have the environment design of classic Doom. Where the spectre pinkies can benefit off your slaughter and the more open layouts. Occasionally glancing over them when say two or three barons alongside a revenant are becoming your prioritized targets.

[gray harbor]

There are spectres in certain mods

[subtle sparrow]

can be done with minimal effort by modifying monster textures

[cursive gulch]

Idtech 8 probably

[lean plaza]

Whats up guys

[minor edge]

hi

[subtle sparrow]

starting to replay Unreal the first one, I just realized how Doom3 borrowed so much from its beginning, to the point as like almost exact same shouts heard in the distance of soldiers fighting, the door that opens to see human body parts falling around - in Doom3 they fall from the ceiling; anyway there is nice RTX version of Unreal running around, for anyone wanting to give a try

[sinful moss]

Iknow it sounds dumb but i would really like doom 3 bfg to have motion blurr option on console lol

[sullen valley]

Anybody still play Doom 3 for PS3?

[ebon sable]

Is the og version of doom 3 available on the ps3?

[misty abyss]

PS3 only has BFG Edition

[hearty echo]

is doom 3 canon to the doom universe, and what significance does it have in the great grand sceme of things if it does?

[minor edge]

Officially: no probably not really
but most people like to think it is

it's a reboot, it would just be an alternate universe

in the grand scheme of things the Martian Hero mentioned in Doom 3 would be ACTUALLY Doomguy and not just a Doomguy Reference and that's about it

i personally consider it an alternate universe but with a shared Hell dimension with the rest of the games

[hearty echo]

makes sense

[carmine thicket]

It's likely canon to the Doom multiverse, assuming Hell is one dimension that connects different universes together (Classic Doom, Modern Doom, Doom 3, Doom RPG, etc.)

You can already see the significance of Doom 3 being part of the Doom multiverse with Modern Doom's take on the Hellknight and the Vagary, respectively using a Doom 3-based design instead of the Classic design and a Doom 3 demon as part of the superheavy demons in the roster of The Dark Ages

[hearty echo]

I like to think the demons evolved over time and became more powerful

[wild shuttle]

I think the doom 3 design for the hell knight is honestly the best design from the game. I do really like the vagary and the sort of cthuhlu face mancubus, the hell knight is just amazing.
In terms of the base game at least, for the dlc I think my favorite is the bruiser. The approach with it just seems unique among the cast, despite some of its traits being able to be drawn back to other demons, like its mancubus cannon arms, cyberdemon esque hooved mechanical legs, or its skin tone and horns actually reminescent of the ORIGINAL hell knight.
...Given the name definitely coming from the "bruiser brothers", the hell knight's big brother, these guys might have been the last remnants of the original breed of hell knight, alongside the gladiator in eternal.
The actual hell knight from 3, and their offspring being a different branch, though still very much hell knights.

[minor edge]

Bruisers are sick asf

Would love to see them return