doom-3

[scenic stratus]

doom 2 expansion

[soft quiver]

Never played doom 3
Planning on it soon
The 2004 one not bfg tho

[cursive gulch]

When doom 2 is literally just doom 1 with more enemies and one new weapon I think final doom should be considered its own game

Master levels however is absolutely an expansion though

[scenic stratus]

what kind of logic is that??

[soft quiver]

Doom 2 has one new weapon and a lotta new enemies
If anything id say legacy of rust could be considered its own game for the same reasons
Dunno about final doom

[cursive gulch]

Well expansions typically did add new enemies and weapons

Like the half life expansions

[soft quiver]

It was released as an official product so i guess yeah it could be considered
It always comes bundled with doom 2 either way so ig yeah its sth that can be considered mainline

[cursive gulch]

So literally the only thing that keeps doom 2 from being an expansion to doom 1 is the title

It's safe to say that doom 3 isn't an expansion though

It has a couple original things

[cursive gulch]

It was marketed as an original game and not an expansion

[tiny epoch]

fellas ive been thinking about buying this game but i heard it sucks

[coarse sphinx]

it doesn't

It's a pretty good game

[scenic stratus]

Your loss

[cursive gulch]

By who??

[tiny epoch]

tbh i dont remember
its been a year or 2 since i watched the review that said that

[glass roost]

Thanks for the tips!

[jade ice]

in my opinon doom 3 is the worst doom game

[scenic stratus]

Doom 3 is a good game but a bad Doom game

[scenic stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-gif-21327280

[jade ice]

fair enough

[cursive gulch]

How is it a bad doom game?

Like I never got that

It has all the mechanics of doom still there, it just plays more like an FPS game that released in the early 2000s, because it is an FPS game from the early 2000s

[jade ice]

Poor level design, weak story, boring gunplay and fight mechanics in general, repetitive gameplay situations, no music

[cursive gulch]

That's not the description of a good game that fails at a being doom game, that's the description of a game you just didn't like

[crude badger]

Same
Its just not as fast paced compared to the older games
Thats about it, aside from having a focus on horror

[cursive gulch]

I think doom always tried to be scary, it's just that it was an FPS game from the early 90s

[cursive gulch]

I think that's why they made the playstation versions of all the classic doom games so atmospheric

[crude badger]

I can see it
Doom 64 was going for it

[sharp rampart]

#690991771039039498 this one is

[scenic stratus]

yeah that's an argument I can never understand

Same people who say 'RE4 is a good game but a bad resident evil'. Like, it's got Resident Evil in the title, nothing says what objectively makes an RE game... franchises develop constantly

Even before DOOM 3, DOOM has entered the realm of horror more than once

[cursive gulch]

Still no

[ember verge]

I'm scared the shit out of doom 64 and 3 cuz my uncle let me play when I was a little too young

my words for doom 3: I haven't finished this game but you introduced me into this amazing series where I finished 2016 and eternal but doom 3 sucks for me cuz idk younger self flashbacks

[quasi silo]

Wouldn't a horror game being scary make it good

[tiny epoch]

itd make it a good horror game

[scenic stratus]

Doom 3 is a good horror game but a bad Doom game

[crude badger]

Doom 3 is a bad horror game but a good doom game

[quasi silo]

DOOM 3 is a good

[cursive gulch]

Explain

This is the same thing you just said

[scenic stratus]

idk thats what people that have never played the game say

[woven flower]

I mean, it could use some bigger encounters. All the other games have 4 ammo types.

[wise goblet]

Does Doom 3 have a fun zone?

Every good game should have one. If it does, it's okay, even if the mechanics are different from the other Doom games

[icy saddle]

a "fun zone" is entirely subjective

[wise goblet]

I personally never found the fun in Doom 3, but I played the console BFG edition which doesnt even have quick saves, so I guess I can't say much

[scenic stratus]

nuDOOM fans are funny

[outer hare]

i dont like what bfg edition did at all

i just played vanilla doom 3 with the enhanced edition mod

[gray harbor]

Doom 3 has decent mod support. I prefer it to the newer dooms

[cursive gulch]

He never said it was🤷‍♂️

[wraith pumice]

finished the og xbox port of Doom 3 some days ago

might be easily one of the best ports I've played on that console

it looks good, runs well most of the time and the level design changes makes it fun and unique

there's some new scripted sequences too, like a Z-Sec killing a scientist and Campbell killing an Arch-Vile

[coarse timber]

Honestly the horror part of Doom 3 isn't great

[timid sapphire]

Doom 3 is my fav but nightmare is sort of impossible

[scenic stratus]

The last proper nightmare difficulty in a doom game 😭

[timid sapphire]

yeah

[scenic stratus]

It was the first nightmare difficulty I ever beat
I did save-scum extensively

[timid sapphire]

literally I can’t beat it

[scenic stratus]

only doom game where I beat the highest mode

[scenic stratus]

I play BFG edition, dunno how the save situation is in vanilla (dunno which ver you playin)

[timid sapphire]

normal

[scenic stratus]

but without the ability to quicksave every 20 seconds, which I did, I wouldn't have been able to do this

you can't quicksave?

[timid sapphire]

I don’t remember

But

[formal lagoon]

So guys anything I should know about before jumping into doom 3

I want to beat every Doom game before ages

[scenic stratus]

Shotgun is extremely good at point blank range
On classic doom shotgun is a good range weapon, but on DOOM 3, not so much... but at point-blank, it's very great. Can one-shot imps

[formal lagoon]

So just use the shotgun as a close range melee weapon

[scenic stratus]

Kinda yeah

It does great damage for sure

Keep an eye out for keycodes. The game has lockers with good stuff in it, read files and listen to logs for keycodes

And what more to know?

Well... have fun

It's a good game imo, pretty damn good

[formal lagoon]

I'm probably just going to do the base game and be done once I beat cyber demon I'm done

[gray harbor]

Oh, if you are playing BFG edition, don't press F12 to take a steam screenshot. This triggers a bug which disables achievements.

[timid sapphire]

it’s hard

[formal lagoon]

Is it hard for the right reasons?
I beat doom eternal on the second highest difficulty

[scenic stratus]

I found it very manageable on Marine mode (the game's normal/intermediate mode)

Granted, BFG edition is easier than the vanilla game

[formal lagoon]

Good because that's what I'm playing

[scenic stratus]

More ammo etc. And DOOM 3 ( at least BFG edition ) has quicksave so you don't have to lose much progress after each death

On Nightmare mode (which is unlockable here) I ended up saving like once every 20 seconds sometimes lol

[formal lagoon]

Does doom 3 do a resident evil save system like 1-3?

[scenic stratus]

Thankfully no

You can quicksave as many times as you want

No ink ribbons, none of that

Base Doom 3 is really easy on veteran difficulty

ROE its quite challenging if you dont use the artifact

[coarse timber]

ROE for me is better than Base Game

Because of double barrel shotgun and the bullet time artifact

[scenic stratus]

I have not played ROE in a long time but Super Shotgun is good stuff
I love how it looks more vintage than the combat shotgun but so much better nonetheless

[supple gull]

You can kill that Z-Sec before he kills the scientist, but an Imp spawns behind you when you do and kills him, and even if you kill it, he'll still die.

[coarse timber]

Btw the super shotgun has only a better range, but damage wise are very similar

[scenic stratus]

Oh didn't know that lol

[coarse timber]

I mean, for one enemy encounters is better the ssg, but for multiple encounters normal shotgun rules

And if you learn how to bunny hop/strafe jump you can make the game as quick as classic Doom

I find Doom 3 strangely cozy btw, it's relaxing

[glass roost]

Hi everyone! I'm aiming to get the 'I Like to Watch' trophy in Doom 3: BFG Edition. Can someone confirm how many video logs there are in total for this trophy? Thanks!

[scenic stratus]

15 videodisks

but you also have to watch the whole tv news in mars city and some audio log in delta labs 2a near the room where you get the bfg

[glass roost]

Yes I've heard that for some of these video logs, you only need to pick them up, while for others, you need to watch them from start to finish.

Is there only 2 like this?

[scenic stratus]

yes

[glass roost]

Ok, thanks. 👍

[ionic slate]

if aimed for the head, can one-shot a lot of stuff

I once one-shot a revenant

[scenic stratus]

it still sucks

[ionic slate]

not for all enemies though, some have a default damage multiplier

[ionic slate]

it doesn't

it's the weapon all speedrunners use most of their playtime

[scenic stratus]

speedrunners

[ionic slate]

yeah they're kinda the best at the game in this specific case

I kinda struggle to name one pro-tier doom 3 player that is not a speedrunner

[scenic stratus]

now ask them about the inconsistency of nailing a one shot kill to a revenant

or even an imp at point range without aiming to the head

[ionic slate]

yeah that's a real rare occasion

[ionic slate]

why won't you aim for the head though?

[scenic stratus]

because if you do so most of your pellets will miss

[ionic slate]

if you're point blank, they won't

imps aren't much agile

[scenic stratus]

this crappy shotgun has failed me a lot of times at point blank range

[ionic slate]

well it kinda didn't for me so idk

I mean, there obviously were some occasions of missing the hits, but that was purely my fault

[ionic slate]

until it hits a cutscene

[coarse timber]

Idk what you mean

[ionic slate]

lost mission hard drive type stuff

[coarse timber]

I didn't play it

[ionic slate]

when you just walk around while the guy talks

[coarse timber]

Idk what you mean

[ionic slate]

it's kinda like waiting until you hear number in an audio log

[coarse timber]

Ooooh i understand

[ionic slate]

but unlike audio logs, this is not optional

[coarse timber]

Ok I don't wanna play Lost Mission

[ionic slate]

no it's actually fun

there are like 2 moments like this

[coarse timber]

Is it just a compilation of levels or what? Is it story focused?

[ionic slate]

a hard drive moment and something in exis labs

[quasi silo]

It has a story but it's not huge. It's basically a "the best of DOOM 3" campaign

[ionic slate]

no it's a story from the POV of another marine

[coarse timber]

Oooh good

[ionic slate]

I liked it more than ROE

[coarse timber]

I love roe so much

[ionic slate]

though the last arena was underwhelming

and I kinda don't get why is ancient civilization type architecture is present in hell. I thought it was only on mars

[ionic slate]

RoE is good, but too much vulgars imo. They are not much different from imps, but I find imps just more usual and recognizable

uhh I can't explain it right

it just feels right for imps to take the role of the most common enemy

[ionic slate]

13 pellets x 14 dmg vs 20 pellets x 16 dmg

almost twice as strong in terms of max dmg output

[coarse timber]

I agree

[supple gull]

Imps are fine but become annoyingly overused in later parts when they should've used certain rare enemies like Mancubi instead.

[viral briar]

You might say…that game was too vulgar.

[coarse timber]

Vulgars should've been used more sparingly

I often think that Doom 3 didn't plan on making a very diverse roster of Demons

Like Doom 1 or 2

I kinda love it but at the same time the game feels off. The game hasn't a very thoughtful gameplay, it's more mindless than every Doom game, but it feels so good to play, even tho it's not very balanced and fuck off jumping imps

[wraith pumice]

idk if Doom 1 really has a ''diverse roster'' of demons, it has only 10 demon types and many of them behave similarly

[coarse timber]

Well shotgunners are obviously more powerful than normal soldiers, pinkies are thougher than imps but are melee only, cacodemons shoot projectiles but they fly and have more health, barons are basically a boss wich become common enemies, lost souls are melee and can fly like cacodemons, Cyberdemon does high damage and shoots rockets while spider mastermind is a hitscanner. It still has a somewhat tactic to it. In doom 3 most of the time I just blast with the shotgun

Btw Doom 3 best weapon is the chainsaw

[austere blade]

why

[brazen sorrel]

https://www.twitch.tv/vickytherat_
https://www.youtube.com/live/SdZSS8Eb_3c

[ionic slate]

yeah but I think once you finish main campaign every other doom1 wad would feel kinda boring. to me episode 4 already was kinda repetitive, it really felt like it needed some mancubi, chaingunners (ok maybe not them), revenants and some other guys

[heady vortex]

time to replay this game again soon, havn't played since the months before Eternal came out

[earnest matrix]

Which version are you replaying?

[heady vortex]

whatever version i have on the xbox

its not the OG version

[coarse timber]

At the end of the day it doesn't matter very much

[noble whale]

So I killed a guy and he dropped a PDA

Now will he be dead later for me to collect it, or is that the only way to obtain it? It’s the first civ right after collecting the pistol

Any Doom 3 professionals, lmk

[scenic stratus]

the only way to get his pda is by killing him at the beginning
Same goes for the security guard near the part where you get out to the martian surface

[noble whale]

Oh wow so if I really wanted those PDAs that’s the only method of obtaining them? That’s really interesting! Do the ones you get for killing friendly npcs provide secrets or just give you the backstory of the guys you capped?

I’m having a hard time figuring out if it’s even worth doing bc being some psycho like Gordon Freeman kind of feels anti-Doomguy

[coarse timber]

You can kill every NPC in the game btw

[coarse timber]

Without consequences

[coarse timber]

One thing I'll never understand about Doom 3 is why in both versions the light of the flashlight isn't on the center

[quasi silo]

Realism

You're not holding with your chest

[coarse timber]

I don't think you hold your flashlight all the way to the right

[quasi silo]

Neither does he

[coarse timber]

He literally does, the radius of the flashlight isn't on the center like every game and it's so fucking bad

[quasi silo]

It's not centered but neither is it awfully to the right

[coarse timber]

But why isn't it centered, If you have to put the flashlight in the game at least don't make using it a chore

[quasi silo]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[scenic stratus]

In the entire game there's only like three npcs that you have to kill to get their pdas

Two are on the second* level and the third is on the hydrocon level

[noble whale]

Good to know, I don’t think I’ll do it then just cause I wanna be the “good guy”

[gloomy tartan]

omg i never knew too

[noble whale]

Thanks so much for all the info man

[gloomy tartan]

reasonable 👍

[glass roost]

I just defeated Sabaoth in Doom 3: BFG Edition, but the 'You're Not My Boss!' trophy didn't pop. Anyone else face this issue or know a fix?

[quasi silo]

What platform?

[glass roost]

Playstation*

[quasi silo]

Huh, not sure then

[glass roost]

I figured out the 'You're Not My Boss!' trophy in Doom 3: BFG Edition. I had to reload an old save and replay the level to beat the boss again.

[glass roost]

I'm excited to announce that I've completed Doom 3: BFG Edition on my first playthrough, collecting all available main campaign trophies and hitting the speed run target. Up next: tackling Nightmare Difficulty, which will unlock the trophies associated with Marine, Veteran, and Nightmare difficulty levels. 🕹️👾

[quasi silo]

Nice! Doing Resurrection of Evil and The Lost Mission too?

[glass roost]

Yes, they are next on the list! 🎮👾

[scenic stratus]

Have fun :D

[glass roost]

Absolutely having a blast! 🥳

[scenic stratus]

gl with the mp achievements

[umbral ruin]

I tried to get into a MP server on Doom 3 but it wouldn’t download the necessary files to connect

[rough current]

this puts the flashlight right at the center😁

https://www.nexusmods.com/doom3/mods/1698

[scenic stratus]

Sabaoth such a goofy boss, died in a few seconds on Nightmare for me. Soul cube + Plasma gun is absolutely magical

[timid sapphire]

Good design tho

[scenic stratus]

absolutely

[coarse timber]

If there is one criticism I have to make is that secrets are a bit boring, most of them are just lockers you have to open with a code

[scenic stratus]

hey guys

[glass roost]

🚨 Exciting Achievement! 🚨

Just completed Doom 3: BFG Edition on Nightmare Mode, earning the coveted "DOOM Nightmare" trophy! 🏆

Main campaign is now fully conquered. Next up: Resurrection of Evil, followed by The Lost Mission.

[timid sapphire]

Nice dude

[coarse timber]

Finally I have finished vanilla Doom 3

Now I have to complete RoE and I have finished with Doom 3 Vanilla, but first I'll mess up with console commands

I put pm_walkspeed to 220 (which is the speed when you run)

[scenic stratus]

GG
D3 BFG Edition is one of the few where I got the highest mode beaten

Wait it's actually the only one. Yeah it's good stuff. And still I'm considering getting vanilla doom 3 even tho I already got BFG Edition

[glass roost]

Doom 3 BFG Edition is the only version available for me in the PlayStation Store. It's been a solid experience so far, and I'm really enjoying it.

[scenic stratus]

it is enjoyable. and yeah I also got it for PS5 since PS4 version was on sale, which happened to be BFG edition

[cinder topaz]

What version of doom 3 is better the original or the version that's on the Microsoft store? I think we can all agree there's only 1 valid version

[scenic stratus]

original

[quasi silo]

There's no "valid version" all of them are fine lol

[scenic stratus]

nah BFG sucks

even the original xbox version is better than the bfg edition

[quasi silo]

You can think BFG sucks but my point is claiming it's an invalid version is wild

[scenic stratus]

the only valid version is the 2019 re-release

[misty abyss]

i like bfg edition because flashlight is like other games

also compatible with gamepad

[scenic stratus]

I only tried BFG but I considered also getting the Xbox ver on top of tht

[acoustic acorn]

Your hands aren't centalized either

[coarse timber]

Ok but it doesn't justify the flashlight light being almost off-screen

I always have to rotate the visual of about 45° degrees for seeing clearly

Half-Life and F.E.A.R. have better flashlights and they came out around the same time

[heady vortex]

alpha labs reached, one level per day until Dark Ages.

[scenic stratus]

turtle pace gaming

[glass roost]

🚨 Achievement Unlocked! 🚨

I just completed the Resurrection of Evil campaign on Nightmare Mode, earning the "Evil Nightmare" trophy in Doom 3: BFG Edition! 🏆

Onward to the next challenge: The Lost Mission. This campaign doesn't stand a chance!

[austere relic]

any tips on how to actually platinum this game

I'm on marine difficulty ( I think it's called that it's the second lowest ) and I'm really struggling 😭

[glass roost]

I get where you're coming from—Marine difficulty can be a stepping stone to even tougher challenges! One strategy that I would recommend is save scumming. It might not be everyone’s cup of tea, but it can make a world of difference. Basically, save your game frequently, especially before tough encounters or risky areas. This way, if things go south, you can reload your last save and try a different approach. It takes some of the pressure off and gives you a chance to experiment with different strategies.

Good luck, and keep pushing forward!

[austere relic]

thank you so much! I'm trying to platinum the entire franchise in reverse order so I can already tell I'm going to hate myself by the end of this

[glass roost]

No pain, no platinum. It’s all part of the adventure! You got this! 💪🎮

[austere relic]

Thank you! would you mind if I add you as a friend so I can ask you whenever I have a question on something? obviously no pressure feel free to say no, have a great day either way 🙏

[glass roost]

🚨 Achievement Unlocked! 🚨

I just completed the Lost Mission on Nightmare Mode, earning my final trophy and securing the Platinum for Doom 3: BFG Edition! 🏆

The entire Doom 3: BFG Edition is now conquered! On to the next challenge! 🎮

[obtuse jackal]

Fellow DOOM players if I buy a DOOM 3 key off a key reseller will I also get BFG Edition and RoE bcs thats what would happen if I were to buy it directly from Steam?

[obtuse jackal]

I gambled and got a key and the answer is yes it does include everything

[hardy mica]

well i got to say i dont know why people dislike this game. I played bfg edition no mods just standard bfg. I think this might be one of my favorite doom games and the last game before i get to modern doom (2016 and eternal). I will say the flash light i dont get the complaints i used it sure but if anything it made the game harder cause of how dark the game is and the shitty flare around it. i am shocked they only gave the super shotgun in the dlc really was hoping for it in base. Both the slomo artifact and the soul cube i found whatever kept forgetting it existed. but overall the game did get me with some jumpscares most didnt but the atmosphere and the way they tried to put enemies out on the field did get me a couple times. The difficulty was almost non existant i played on veteran or the ultra violence equivalent and it was not even close to hard. Well with this game after a couple long breaks and 7 years of playing every other doom game and beating them on UV i finally will be playing modern doom overall solid 8/10

[scenic stratus]

Yeah DOOM 3 is not a hard game... except on Nightmare. You're gonna need that soul cube, which you get at the start there. Glad to hear you enjoyed it! It's a worthy entry

[cold trout]

Welp, after 109.9 hours i finally got all achievements. Now i really gotta upgrade my pc to install 2016 lol

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/571666140296773653/1346964029742252092/xd.gif

[heavy plume]

it was bfg?

[cold trout]

Yep, bfg edition

The only one with achievements actually (On Steam ofc)

I may try the original but i feel like i had enough xD

[full gorge]

Does anyone know why BFG edition does't open. I tried everything checked google, reddit etc. but nothing is working?

[full gorge]

Nvrm got it

[slim willow]

Even on Nightmare this game got kinda easy for me

[scenic stratus]

yeah it's probably one of the less hard ones on the highest skill level

Soulcube goes hard, quick save is always a thing on some ports, and point-blank shotgun is peak

[wise goblet]

Try the console version then. No quicksaves, and slow awkward controller aiming

[scenic stratus]

This IS the console version I'm talking about

I play on PS5

But I'm thinking of getting the original Xbox version as well for the heck of it

[wise goblet]

Damn. You got my respect then

[scenic stratus]

oh thankss

but yeah I hear that OG Xbox version has some differences so that entices me

And yeah PS4 ver really is just BFG edition but with the BFG subtitle part removed

[wise goblet]

I tried the BFG Edition on Xbox, but I didnt like this game much at all. I found it pretty challenging without quicksaves, and the retries quite boring

[scenic stratus]

the PS4 ver for me had quicksaves

bfg edition on xbox 360/ps3 no quicksaves? Interesting. PS4 ver is based on BFG edition

[scenic stratus]

interesting since the OG Xbox version does have quicksave from what I read

The only thing stopping me from getting it is because I'm unsure how long my OG Xbox will be alive.

[wise goblet]

Bizarre. maybe I was too dumb to find it

[scenic stratus]

and yeah PS4 ver that I played has quicksave too (I did not know it was technically BFG edition since the PS4 ver doesn't mention it)

[heady vortex]

to send the message or not, i better follow orders

[eager mauve]

Do you know how to make infinite ammo with .script or .def files?

[scenic stratus]

Skill issue tbh

[scenic stratus]

Nope

[eager mauve]

With which model viewer or editor, preferably free, can I add and remove polygons to Doom 3 models?

[autumn cypress]

guys how can i get slayer club rewards for doom 3

[quasi silo]

What version of the game are you playing

[autumn cypress]

doom 3 bfg edition

[quasi silo]

You can't get them then, it has to be the 2019 rerelease. It's on PS4, Xbox One, Switch, Epic Games Store and Microsoft Store

[autumn cypress]

oh k

so i gotta wait till it gets updated

[quasi silo]

It won't get updated

[autumn cypress]

k

ty anyways

[quasi silo]

No problem

[next steppe]

so im watching some doom lore stuff and one thing im tryna fully understand, is the doom marine in the tablet in doom 3 that universe version of the main doom guy?

hol up do you not even play as doom guy in doom 3??

[quasi silo]

You don't play as THE Doomguy

[next steppe]

dont you just play as some random marine?

[quasi silo]

Yes, that is why I said you don't play as THE Doomguy, but rather A Doomguy

[next steppe]

but like hes not a alternate version of the slayer or nothing right?

[quasi silo]

That's up for debate, really. Though it mostly is just some regular marine

Reason I call him a Doomguy is because Doomguy's character, at least before he became the Slayer, is like nonexistent, so it's more like a title of "he's the guy from DOOM"

[next steppe]

well cuz from what ive heard doom 3's universes version of the main slayer died with the acnient mars invasion

[quasi silo]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[next steppe]

gotta love how confusing this shit gets

[scenic stratus]

BEST DOOM

most action packed

this makes doom eternal look like bingo

YOU TURN A CORNER THERES ONE IMP

AND YOU WALK UP TO IT AND BLAST IT

OVER AND OVER

dodging balls like dodgeball

k

[scenic stratus]

:_

[scenic stratus]

he still really strong

[scenic stratus]

Kinda like how in DOOM 3 you're not a demigod or 'the baddest dude in the universe' (the first doom games already hype up the protagonist), just a normal guy with the worst first day on the job

[quasi silo]

The first DOOM games hype the protagonist up yeah but if you take the hyping aside it's still a fairly down-to-Earth survival story I'd say

[scenic stratus]

fair enough

[scenic stratus]

doom slayer weak

if he gets hit by a imp enough he dies

[full gorge]

There are some good elements in this game but still the weakest one

[full gorge]

Plus why the fuck are you on a doom server? Your bio says you're 13

[brisk briar]

^

I think a lot of people didn't enjoy it because it's not your classic doom game. This game has a lot of horror elements in it, I Remember being very scared when I used to play it

[icy saddle]

The Classic titles arguably have a horror theme to it as well

They were intending for that, as evidence in the Doom Bible

[quasi silo]

To be honest a chunk of people who claim to not have enjoyed it haven't even played it. The magic of spoonfed opinions

[brisk briar]

Indeed; I played the classic as well when I was a kid, but I don't remember being scared like when I was playing the 3th

[brisk briar]

Lol, I know a lot of people like that

Doom 3 is like Dead Space before Dead Space

[scenic stratus]

I get some Event horizon vibes from it

[wraith pumice]

hating on a game because you saw game journalists hating on it is just dumb

I will decide if I like or dislike a game myself by actually playing it

[quasi silo]

Game journalists praised it, issue is people look up to big content creators and big content creators can just pull stuff out of their ass and people will follow

[brisk briar]

I want share a meme, why can't share picture here

[wraith pumice]

a scripted sequence that is only in the og xbox port...

[scenic stratus]

thi is a bit of a 'no-meme' server really

[wraith pumice]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/898346553125777488/1342459564263473182/image.png?ex=67d17165&is=67d01fe5&hm=a027a506cb63e06d9ce7f797ae75b5a70216b193028dc396ba37ad48488efd55&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[quasi silo]

Unless it's relevant to discussion

[scenic stratus]

I'm not the only one

[wraith pumice]

millions of kids played violent games when they were very young

[icy saddle]

This is inherently a 13+ server to begin with

Eddie falls into that category

[quasi silo]

With the profile this guy has I bet it's like a 15 year old laughing at a 13 year old

[scenic stratus]

I first played Classic Doom when I was 10-11

I was unfazed.

[brisk briar]

I was like 6 or 7

[weak tartan]

Hi! Can you tell what is best modern editor for DOOM 3?

in old times I used built in and dark radiant. Is there something new now?

[scenic stratus]

@weak tartan How about Trenchbroom?

[weak tartan]

never tried TB for D3

but I thought about this, but had no sure it's 100% compatible

[heady vortex]

reached the delta labs, 1 level per day till tda continues

[scenic stratus]

can I get mods on BFG édition

it the only version I have or like

[clear vapor]

Theres mod for bfg edition tho not as many as og

[quasi silo]

Hey I am VERY late, but you figured this out? I got a fix for it but I wanna see if you have it done before bothering you

[earnest matrix]

I'd like to know what cvar to set to get RoE to work with "Dhewm3" modification.

It gives me an error about not being able to find 'Main' in 'Erebus' map.

I know it's just an error related to set paths and my specific configuration files.

[granite lion]

I have it fixed, turns out it's the crack exe that I need to copy from the ISO

[scenic stratus]

:<

[gentle kernel]

This game is going on sale right now

[earnest matrix]

Yes, it's worth buying but I already own both versions, the vanilla and the chocolate.

[hazy trellis]

I wish i could get the whole collection on steam but me dont have enough🥺

[brisk briar]

Online store for Xbox?

[scenic stratus]

it to expensive

[gentle kernel]

Unfortunately no, just for PlayStation, Nintendo and Steam

[scenic stratus]

haaaaaa

😞I use xbox

[gentle kernel]

which type of xbox? Like Xbox One, Xbox Series X, Etc.

[scenic stratus]

ONE

the first xbox

xbox one

[quasi silo]

The first Xbox was Xbox not Xbox One. Xbox One's the third

[gentle kernel]

Nice

[scenic stratus]

how does that make any sensé

PSBOX WHATEVER

back in my day we just used board games

[quasi silo]

Back in your day was 2014 man

[scenic stratus]

the good old days

five nights at freddy one

Russia annex crimiea

cancelled Doom 4

[quasi silo]

Man you were 2 there's no way you remember FNaF 1's release

[scenic stratus]

😒

I remember sister locations release

I think

I don't know

[brisk briar]

Same has mine

Idk, the price of BFG edition don't even appaer on the app

Standard 3 is 10 Euros but you can also get with Game Pass

[quasi silo]

The standard edition is the BFG edition

[brisk briar]

I got 2 on the List. Doom 3 and Doom 3 BFG edition, but the BFG doesn't have a price?

[quasi silo]

The BFG Edition doesn't have a price as it never came out on digital. They are the same game, the one named DOOM 3 just doesn't have multiplayer. It's a port of BFG Edition

[brisk briar]

Idk, I just click on install the game and it's installing

[quasi silo]

You can install games without owning them, but they won't launch

[brisk briar]

Ahh, that's it

[scenic stratus]

well

you can go in the files and play the EXE

I play 2 games I refund that way

[quasi silo]

That's not doable on Xbox

[scenic stratus]

roasted

[icy saddle]

not always the case

[scenic stratus]

is for me

[icy saddle]

there's a little itty bitty thing known as DRM that will prevent you from doing that

[scenic stratus]

what that

[icy saddle]

some games don't have it, that's why you can practically commit the crime you're commiting

[scenic stratus]

crime

it not my fault it on my computer

[fathom stag]

... isn't that a form of piracy? Or smthn?

[icy saddle]

practically, yes

[fathom stag]

Hm. Fun.

[earnest matrix]

Are you saying that DooM 3 doesn't have DRM on XBox?

[quasi silo]

There's no way to open up an Xbox game anyway

Well, kinda. DOOM 3's Xbox One release is part of Xbox Play Anywhere, so you CAN install the Xbox version on PC, and sure enough, DRM is in place

[quick lily]

So apperantly Malcolm Bertruger isn't in Akinator???

I submitted him just now

Neither is Olivia Pierce???

[fathom stag]

A crime.

[quick lily]

I submitted both of them

To a better future

[earnest matrix]

I have only PC for my gaming needs and the PC version of DooM 3 from GOG so I think it's DRM free other than the requirement of a product key to be entered in the game.

[quasi silo]

Xbox version doesn't need that, luckily

Would be annoying to type in with a virtual keyboard :p

[bold pond]

this game sucked

[solar spindle]

What's the best way to play doom 3

[scenic stratus]

I only tried BFG Edition but I hear praise for the OG

There is no objectively best way

[solar spindle]

I hear ya, but I was thinking in terms of pc

Like vanilla, dhewm 3 etc

That's a source port I believe

Idk like whats the one that has the best stuff Like 120 fps, widescreen etc

[proper ether]

i just bought doom 3 on the steam sale, it came with the bfg edition too... any vets recommend anything i should do before playing it? mods etc, vanilla vs bfg

[scenic stratus]

Ok and?

[scenic stratus]

Idk I just play vanilla doom 3 with some changes I do to the files itself
But I have heard that dhewm3 is a really good sourceport

We can leave the BFG edition out of the question since it removes parts of the levels and gameplay mechanics

[scenic stratus]

BFG edition doesnt have better graphics

Just look what they did with sergeant kelly lol

[solar spindle]

Ok I think ill do dhewm 3 then for the og

[bold pond]

that’s all

[bold pond]

did too

it’s worst

name one good thing about it

[sweet swan]

Doom 3 Redux with DHWEM3 and compatibility patches is my favorite Doom 3 experience.

[bold pond]

it’s the slowest paced combat out of all the doom games

have you played any other doom games?

but not Eternal or 2016

yes, the Doom games

[icy saddle]

Yet it’s no slower than the original games

Yet you demand Eternal to be faster?

You said that like 3 minutes ago

[bold pond]

it is so much slower what are you talkin about

[icy saddle]

In my experience they play at much the same speed

The only time the game slows down is when there’s a cutscene

And during the intro

That’s what made it good

[brisk briar]

Doom 3-> You hide from demons
Doom Eternal -> Demons hide from you

Anyway, Doom 3 is supposed to be an horror, you got take your time to enjoy the taste of fear. Doom Eternal is more close to an arcade, kill anything faster than you could. If enjoy both games very much

[quasi silo]

Tbh I think any opinion on D3 is valid as long as the person holding the opinion has actually played it

[brisk briar]

I know how you feel. I am trying to beat the Dlc in ultra nightmare. It's hard but also it's fun see how you improve death After death

[azure shoal]

Well they have like 100 different fodder types,the numbers inflated

They don't differentiate tho, so I don't really consider them

[quasi silo]

Two spider types and one gets used only once 😢

[brisk briar]

It was the Game that had a placed in my heart, since it's my first doom game. I can understand that a lot of people didn't enjoy it because it's Atmosphere is different from the classic arcade doom, Rip and tear. But if you think of it has a game of it's own, it's truly well done.

Yes, in Doom 3 you can feel the terror

Also the graphic was really ahead for a 2004 game

Yeha thoose guys in Eternal are just free armor

[solar spindle]

Hi I wanted to ask again about what people thought the best way to play doom 3 is

Like the best version. Like vanilla or dhewm 3? It's there a way to uncap the fps to 120

More work?

Ah I see

[solar spindle]

Weapons, story/environment

Did you beat the game?

Oh shit awesome

[bold pond]

weapons suck, other two I’ll give you

[solar spindle]

Lol

I like the plasma rifle in this game. It feels beefy and I like using it against revenants to negate their missiles

Not to mention the sound effects

As for the shotgun it is practically a melee weapon in this game, but it really lends itself to the movement which feels cool to me

[earnest matrix]

Okay...but on what level of hardness?

Well, I guess if you only played the BFG edition you played it the easy way since you get the flashlight for free.

[brisk briar]

You just awaked old nightmares that sleeped in the deep of my mind

[earnest matrix]

Do you feel ashamed?

Finishing DooM 3 on the easiest levels?

[halcyon tapir]

Worst game ever made doom 3 is abomination and no one should play this shit

[scenic stratus]

Pretty sure the only doom game you had played is Eternal

And it shows lol

[bold pond]

Gang

2 thousand hours

on 2016

on a switch

Gold medal on every arcade level ultra nightmare

Memorized every spawn

[scenic stratus]

Doom 3 is more of a Doom game than Eternal will ever be lmao

[bold pond]

I played Eternal 1 time

[bold pond]

take this back you delinquent

[next steppe]

Doom 3 dont look good tbh

they messed up ma boi pinky

[solar spindle]

Word

Doom 3 is fun tho

[fathom stag]

I will not stand here and take this doom 3 slander

[gray harbor]

IMO doom 3 is better than the newer ones

the story at least feels more imersive, but gameplay still seems good

and I couldn't really get into eternal myself

[solar spindle]

Exactly

[brisk briar]

Doom 3 was a brave Attempt to reboot the franchise. A lot of people didn't enjoy for this Exact reason, they tried to reboot. It's not a bad game, it just doesn't fit the arcade style that Doom games used to have.

[misty abyss]

my favourite thing about Doom 3 is: the more things change the more they stay the same

[solar spindle]

Hmm the more things change the more they stay the same.

brain breaks

[earnest matrix]

Does anybody know what the 4 game pak files are for. What are the 4 games? I think there is vanilla Doom, BFG Doom, Lost Mission (maybe) and RoE?

The Doom backstory isn't inherently tied to anything arcadey though so I think what they did with DooM 3 was a very good move. I really enjoy playing the game.

[heavy plume]

yeah doom was pretty arcade

[fallen jewel]

Secret hunting in D3 right now, and I see an area but I have no idea how to get to it.

#screenshots message

That area has a door I unlocked through the security office and a ladder up onto that crane, but I have absolutely zero idea how to get over there.

[scenic stratus]

You need to walk on a thin cable that is on the bottom floor

[fallen jewel]

Thanks, I'll have a look

Okay, I got over here but now I have no idea whatsoever how to access the crane itself since it looks like I have to turn it

[scenic stratus]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/832527939153297448/1351033071595683850/IMG_4752.png?ex=67d8e719&is=67d79599&hm=bc3b1a6db7f826452b140f1102cb4c5299f67b002a632a7904a55c86438dc1d6&

Here

[fallen jewel]

Yeah I found the cable just fine

I need to figure out how to get rid of the hanging platform before it'll let me turn the crane though, which in turn will allow me to get on top of it

[scenic stratus]

You cant use the crane tho

[fallen jewel]

There's very clearly something up at the top though

And the control panels for it are interactable

But they don't let you do anything while the damaged load is still attatched

[scenic stratus]

Pretty sure there's nothing there

[fallen jewel]

I can see a control panel at the top of the crane

And the panel right next to where I'm meant to access the crane has a button to recall the crane to a position where i'd be able to get on, but it doesn't do anything while the failed load that spills shit everywhere is in the way

Maybe I should try accessing it before the incident?

Yeah, looks like I can turn the crane pre-disaster and access it that way

I'm gonna see if it's in the right spot later then

okay, turning it before the incident completely breaks the whole sequence

The crane will be where you left it but when it would normally collapse it'll instantly teleport to the spot where it'd normally be when it collapses, except if you already killed the imp you're likely to be in a spot where you disrupt the physics during that, which then just freezes the sequence until enough moves.

[scenic stratus]

On a later level you in fact have to use a similar crane to reach the other side of the map

[fallen jewel]

I think I remember that, yeah

IDK, it's really weird the way this crane behaves here

Also the fact that there are PLASMA CELLS in the closet over there

Meanwhile the point where you'd usually find the plasma rifle is what, four levels away?

There's a full load of ammunition for a weapon you won't even see evidence of existence of for at least an hour of gameplay

[amber cape]

rau

[heady vortex]

reached the first hell level. 1 level per day until tda

[solar spindle]

Sick

Hell is pretty far into to this game

[fiery plank]

I found a used Doom 3 at a GameStop

Should I lowkey get it

[solar spindle]

Yea

[heady vortex]

still have lost mission and RoE to complete. Then off to Doom 2016

[proper ether]

whats the difference between DOOM 3 and BFG edition? i have both, dont kno what to play

[scenic stratus]

play original

[solar spindle]

I can put together the differences once I get to my computer, just play og tho

[proper ether]

thx yall

[scenic stratus]

https://youtu.be/AiufUB-JAb4?si=Hf-uY0a2hE-s1My3

[woven flower]

I love how guns light up the darkness in OG

[minor gorge]

No

no

N

O

[scenic stratus]

So, are the better graphics in the room with us right now?

[minor gorge]

they must be hiding then

[scenic stratus]

I for one am a big fan of being able to use the flashlight and guns simultaneously

[scenic stratus]

Only that?

[scenic stratus]

im honestly shocked why id thought it was a good idea to delist the og when BFG released

[misty abyss]

Did that really happen?

I do remember that they made them all a one package like 4 years ago

[quasi silo]

That was Bethesda more than id

[scenic stratus]

Zenimax*

[solar spindle]

Thanks, cuz I ain't feel like typing that shit up

I probably will at some point tho actually

[frail plover]

before i play DOOM 3 for the first time, should i play with the Duct Tape mod, or completely vanilla?

[scenic stratus]

However you want

I dont find having to switch to the flashlight annoying at all but maybe you will

idk

[frail plover]

maybe i'll play with duct tape to get the more horror feel i should get

you gotta be joking

i dunno what to say

頑張って i guess

[wintry galleon]

We all believe in demons

[frail plover]

i'll recommend a pretty cute and lighthearted game for you if you're scared of horror:

Doki Doki Literature Club!

[wintry galleon]

No

I just like the Doom games

[frail plover]

it looks like one

[quasi silo]

Hey how about we don't bait easily frightened people into playing disturbing horror games? Just some food for thought

[frail plover]

yeah that was my bad

anyways you probably know the premise of DDLC right

actually why dont we talk about this on a channel not about Doom 3

[wintry galleon]

What DLC was the best in Doom 3?

[frail plover]

general?

[frail plover]

i anticipate the boss fight with the Maledict to be a good one

ive only seen its name

[wintry galleon]

Yeah it's good

[wintry galleon]

What do you expect feom this demon?

Ah

[scenic stratus]

Doom 3 only had one expasion pack

[frail plover]

big dragon, based on a small glimpse ive seen of it

i don't know its attacks

[wintry galleon]

Ressurection of evil isn't a DLC?

[wintry galleon]

You are gonna be surprised ehen you see him

[frail plover]

is he only in a dlc?

[scenic stratus]

Its the same thing

[wintry galleon]

The DLCs are Ressurection of evil and the lost mission

[frail plover]

living in a third world country, i can't support the devs by buying them with money so i just pirate them

[wintry galleon]

We had so many DLC of all the Doom games

Doom 2016 is Doom 4

[frail plover]

check the doom wiki (not fandom, ok?) and look at the page for Doom 4

[scenic stratus]

why not fandom?

[frail plover]

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Doom_4_1.0

[frail plover]

it's broken, ok?

[scenic stratus]

Sometimes the fandom version has more information than the official one lmao

[frail plover]

plus the info on fandom aren't too polished

[frail plover]

that's noticeable on the doom eternal related pages

[scenic stratus]

Honestly I prefer ROE over Lost Mission

https://youtu.be/Rv1nKtRH4xE?si=uyvuzp6GpXs2r4Cs

[frail plover]

お母さん、私はDOOM 2016がほしいですねええええ。。。

いいえ、 私たちはうちにDOOM 2016持っているすでにです。

DOOM 2016:

[wintry galleon]

Doom 3 has living wraiths?

[frail plover]

studying the language

[wintry galleon]

Yo

[frail plover]

first time writing a meme in it

[wintry galleon]

Wait i'll get my card now

I was gonna buy Doom 3

[frail plover]

those wraiths are different from the ones in the lore of 2016/eternal

[wintry galleon]

Ah because Doom 3 is in an alternative universe

[frail plover]

i think so

all i know for sure is that our playable character is not the doomguy

[wintry galleon]

It's the DOOMmarine

[neon forge]

DOOM Marine

[scenic stratus]

Marine

[neon forge]

Marin

[wintry galleon]

Martin fish

[frail plover]

oh it is

[frail plover]

Martin General

[wintry galleon]

Lol

It has the most enemies

[frail plover]

look forward to it

[wintry galleon]

I think we all know

[frail plover]

how scary do you rate Doom 3 as

[wintry galleon]

I rank it: "APPROVED"

Even if the Doom society is like

We hate Doom 3 because it's not a great Doom game

[frail plover]

honestly i really love the fact that they changed the hell knights look and made them unique

instead of being baron recolors for 3 games straight

[wintry galleon]

Yeah

The OST is even a meme

[frail plover]

and also the fact that the future knights were designed after them

[wintry galleon]

I knew that bcs the only Doom game i have is Doom 2016

And to not look like Barons of hell

[frail plover]

i like the horror direction doom 3 took, but it overall stood out from the franchise's overall tone

[frail plover]

like stood out in a good way

[wintry galleon]

The Doom slayer Is compared to Isaac

Who?

Oh god

I can't do it

I'll always have a pocket knife

Woah i have to go to school

I live in italy

WTF

I'm single

Ok spagnolo

[frail plover]

where do you think the barons went in doom 3

[fathom stag]

That's not French.

[wintry galleon]

Translate it from italian to spain

[wintry galleon]

See

[fathom stag]

French doesn't look like that

[frail plover]

that's latin

[fathom stag]

Somewhat

[wintry galleon]

No it's spanish

[fathom stag]

Enough to know how the French structure their sentences

[wintry galleon]

Confirmed

[fathom stag]

[wintry galleon]

I knew you were France

[fathom stag]

Ah.

[fathom stag]

I thought you were talking abt this 💀

Man I'm too tired for this bullshit

I've bit a police officer before I'll do it again

[wintry galleon]

Heh

What?

[frail plover]

let's talk about this in #general

[wintry galleon]

Ok

But i'm just at school

So

Bye BFGs

[frail plover]

bye

[wraith pumice]

does the Dhewm3 source port support running at higher framerates like 120 fps without the game's own speed becoming faster? that's an issue in og Doom 3 if you uncap the framerate

[solar spindle]

It's 60,idk how to get it to 120

[scenic stratus]

bfg edition exclusive

[solar spindle]

Yea rip

[heady vortex]

Main campaign done, off to the Lost levels. one level a day till tda

[solar spindle]

Yes sir

[quasi silo]

Lost Levels as in DOOM 64? Or Lost Mission?

[heady vortex]

sorry lost mission

then it will be ROE

[solar spindle]

Ok Bet

[scenic stratus]

Hope yer enjoy

[earnest matrix]

Everytime I save a game in DooM3/RoE it asks me if I want to overwrite the game. It's like my mouse-button must be double-clicking or there is a bug in the save game system. Does anybody else ever experience this issue with saving games?

[earnest matrix]

I think those "Lost Mission" levels were put into BFG Edition for PC, also. I can't remember for sure.

[quasi silo]

That's where they first appeared

[earnest matrix]

Oh but they didn't originate in DooM 3/RoE. It was added later. I think those "Lost Missions" go way back to something earlier. I'm not a DooM expert though.

[quasi silo]

Lost Mission first appeared in DOOM 3: BFG Edition. Might be confusing it for an expansion pack for DOOM 64 called "The Lost Levels" released in 2020

[earnest matrix]

Ah, I'll bet you're right. Those sound so similar to each other.

[quasi silo]

I do wonder why they went for such a similiar sounding name, but there's 2 games in this series with the exact same name, their name game isn't the best

[radiant jacinth]

Onion

[earnest matrix]

My one gripe about DooM 3 is not being able to pause/fast forward/rewind all the audio logs in the PDAs. Plus, closed captions would have been nice because if you tried to listen to some of those audio logs in a level where heavy machinery was in the background, it just completely drowned out the volume of the audio logs to where I couldn't even hear the audio log and what was being said. That was a failure somebody should fix. It's like, "Hey, the player is listening to an audio recording so it might be a good idea to drop the background noise levels a bit so they can hear, yes?"

[radiant jacinth]

Onion

[quasi silo]

The lack of subtitles makes it hard to listen to most of the voicelines imo. I don't even know what Sgt. Kelly says for half the game

[earnest matrix]

So, actually the better idea, would have to put a volume control on audio logs where the player could raise it up. Along with all the other controls that go along with audio recordings.

Yes, subtitles for the audio logs and cutscenes. I agree. No respect for accessibility here. And I'm not even half deaf.

It's just that somebody didn't beta test this game enough to catch this issue I guess.

[quasi silo]

I am surprised they didn't add subtitles to the BFG Edition. It was such a modernized way to play but they just ditch a very important feature :/

[earnest matrix]

I'm sure if there's any modders out there talented enough to make mods they could do this for us.

And if you have a very good memory about the game, there's exactly 1 audio log which plays a visual representation as it plays so that you can know for sure when the audio log is finished playing. That should have been put in for all audio logs. Sometimes I would be there listening and I'm asking myself, "Okay...is it done? Or is the character just pausing to get their thoughts together".

It was the longest audio log in the game, iirc, and that's probably why they had the visual for that one. But honestly, it would have played well for all.

Still, one hell of a well made fun and polished game to play, base and the expansion.

[quasi silo]

Yeah DOOM 3 is great. Shame a lot dislike it for no real reason

[earnest matrix]

I wonder if the majority of those people bashing it have ADHD. I think I even shunned it for awhile because it was a game with a slower pace at times due to the story. But when I came back to it later, I can't believe how I put off playing it for so long. It's like one of my favorite games that I've ever played now.

I will say as much as I love the game, it is very frustrating at times. When I'm getting killed all the time. Lot's of deaths and saved games to get through it to the end.

But I don't ever use cheats and I didn't take the easiest level for play through. I think the 2nd easiest is what I always choose. Whatever that name is in DooM 3.

[scenic stratus]

There's some legitimate critiques for both versions of DOOM 3 but overall it's not awful

I'm currently playing through DOOM 3 Original on Xbox, the flashlight mechanic is kinda annoying (I understand the whole 'it makes it tense and scary' argument, but for me, it just annoys me), tho hitting enemies with it is fun
DOOM 3 BFG Edition... improves in places, but cutscenes are unskippable now. Why.

They are skippable in OG so it just boggles my mind they are unskippable on BFG

[earnest matrix]

I would agree with the removal of ability to skip cutscenes being completely stupid. And the reason is, because when you die and have to restart a level, your gonna have to trigger that cutscene again, alot. But, thankfully, I might watch it the first 2 or 3x because I like to fully understand what the message is. But after that, it's BOOM on that ESC key. 🙂

I would be surprised if there isn't a console variable you could set to skip those cutscenes. That is just too easy to leave in. I know they disable even getting into the console by default on Steam versions but that's easy to bypass in more ways than one.

[fiery plank]

I feel like the reason people hated it because it was such a departure of the classic doom games in favor of a shooter horror (which it worked surprisingly well for me)

[earnest matrix]

Playing a level in RoE now and talking to an NPC. That's not really the right word since he is acknowledging my presence when I talk. I keep hoping that if I bug these friendly characters enough that they will just snap and go off on my candy XXX but it doesn't seem to ever happen. Need a mod for that too to make this game perfect.

They cycle about 2 to 3 phrases and that's it.

[lean elk]

Question, is DOOM 3 canon? It references Doomguy from the original games and such, or is it still an alternate universe?

[scenic stratus]

Doom 3 is a good game but a bad Doom game

[misty abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-gif-21327280

[fathom stag]

It's canon, just a alternative universe

[lean elk]

wat

[fathom stag]

Same hell, different universe

[lean elk]

Ohhh, I see, I think

[earnest matrix]

I can agree with that. You're basically saying that it's not the same type of game as prior entries in the franchise. I played, no, that's not the right word, I dabbled in probably one the earlier pixelated Doom titles but I never really got into it like I did DooM3/RoE. And that was long after release as my taste for fast-paced shooters gradually shifted into more story driven titles. I'm glad I went back to it and finished it, years later.

[earnest matrix]

Can you expand on that. It sounds a bit like you're talking about 2 different time periods but I can't tell for sure.

[quasi silo]

They're alternate universes but they're connected by the same Hell. Hell is basically a gateway to dimension travel

[earnest matrix]

Ah, so if I understand, it's like if you were in Hell you could exit to these 2 different universes and if you were in either one you could meet up in the same hell no matter which universe you entered from. So, that makes sense.

[quasi silo]

More than 2. Pretty sure we have a confirmed number of 3 in the main canon

Think of it like the hub area from Quake, basically

[scenic stratus]

In either case I think DOOM 3 may have had the best-looking hell

I think I might have that Xbox ver done tomorrow. Maybe. In either case I'm enjoying it. Tho I don't think I'll be trying out Nightmare on Xbox. Already did it once on PS5

[coarse timber]

Doom 3 is growing on me, I hated at first, but now I am replaying it a lot

[fiery plank]

I always liked doom 3 the most as a kid

[earnest matrix]

I came to really enjoy DooM 3 that way also. I don't know if the words "hate" were in my case but I wasn't compelled to finish it when I first played the game. It wasn't until revisiting it a few years later that I loved it and finished it to the end. I think people change over time and what you aren't always into now changes as you change as a person. Something like that anyway.

The game didn't change, I did over time. 🙂

[scenic stratus]

i disagree

[scenic stratus]

is the violence and gore kept the same in the BFG edition or is it toned down?

Its the same as the original release

In the beginning of Doom 3 BFG I was defeating enemies and it looked not brutal compared to previous games

Oh okay

[acoustic acorn]

Yeah enemies kinda just vaporize

[scenic stratus]

having permanent corpses doesnt affect performance at all

At least on modern hardware

[coarse timber]

But in 2004 it had

One thing I can appreciate about the flashlight of Doom 3 is that you are fast in swapping flashlight to weapon

[fathom stag]

Yeah well it did in 2004/5.

[scenic stratus]

I know.

[fathom stag]

im too sore for this.

[coarse timber]

Doom 3 never scared me, I felt as badass as in classic Doom and Doom 2016 and Eternal

When you are with the shotgun and you learn how to use it and destroy everything in your path, it's so satisfying even if you are slower than the other games

[scenic stratus]

Done with DOOM 3 on OG Xbox

Was fun trying it out

[coarse timber]

Dis you play the whole game or just some levels? Are there levels diverse from the og pc release?

[scenic stratus]

Play the whole game of course

[scenic stratus]

They are a bit different from the PC release from what I hear, OG Xbox cuts parts out and simplifies levels while widening corridors for co-op

[coarse timber]

Is it worth trying? Or is there some mod that has the xbox version but for pc?

[scenic stratus]

dunno about mods

[scenic stratus]

If you can get the OG Xbox version cheap, sure

I got mine for a few bucks from a good pal of mine who was selling his old junk

[coarse timber]

I don't have an OG Xbox that's the thing

[scenic stratus]

It works on 360 but if you don't own that either, yeah

[coarse timber]

I only have xbox one

[scenic stratus]

Yeah that'sa problem

Iirc Xbox One does not allow OG Xbox games to be played

[coarse timber]

What are the major changes on OG Xbox Doom 3?

[scenic stratus]

Really just simplified levels

[coarse timber]

It does but not every game

[coarse timber]

The flashlight mechanic is the same??

[scenic stratus]

Yep

Can smack enemies with the flashlight like no tomorrow

I dunno about the OG Doom 3's PC performance ( I only played OG Xbox version and the BFG Edition on PS5 ), but I notice that OG Xbox runs like ~30 fps and is a bit clunky overall

Tho it's an impressive port. That they got it working on a weaker console (and Xbox is the strongest 6th generation console, PS2 and GameCube were no-go's when it came to any DOOM game) is considered a miracle

[coarse timber]

OG version on PC for me doesn't run that well (steam version), BFG Edition runs well and with Dhewm3 sourceport the OG version runs so smooth

[scenic stratus]

DOOM 3 Resurreciton of evil (which was released on Xbox as a completely new and original game that you can play without D3) also came with official Xbox ports of DOOM 1 and 2

I do not own that one tho

[coarse timber]

I heard that the Xbox ports of Classic Dooms aren't that great

[scenic stratus]

Yeah same

Buggy and extra levels that were not well-received

Also, on DOOM 3 Xbox, some levels were split. Hell was split into three levels

Alpha Labs Sector 4 was cut entirely, only the area boss was kept and put into Sector 3

It is kinda distinct yes

[coarse timber]

It's like the Xbox version of Morrowind kinda

[scenic stratus]

Which I also own, but I never beat Morrowind lol

[coarse timber]

Kinda the same experience but with some touches for it to playable on console

[scenic stratus]

I like the OG Xbox. Such a charming console

[coarse timber]

It's so interesting even tho I am too much of a Ps2 fan if we talk about 6th gen

[scenic stratus]

I considered getting DOOM on PS1 as well so I could try and play it on my PS2. I bought and beat Rayman 2 on it last year

[coarse timber]

It would be interesting to make an homebrew version of Doom 3 on PS2

I could be happy even to have the game without shadows but playable on Ps2 just for the sake of it

[scenic stratus]

It would need savage cutbacks but I'd also be interested in seeing it

They can cut a level or two for all I care

I like DOOM 3 but a few parts kinda drag. For that reason, OG Xbox version feels a bit tighter compared to other versions

[coarse timber]

I would cut the teleporters level

And the monorail one which is so annoying

[coarse timber]

It's days that I am playing a mobile sourceport of Doom 3 and it's dope

[heady vortex]

finally got the super shotgun, game is much better now. the standard shotgun in doom 3 sucks

they should just add it into the base campaign as well.

[acoustic acorn]

the shotgun is genuinely the best part of the game

[heady vortex]

i assume you mean super shotgun?

[acoustic acorn]

I do not

[scenic stratus]

yeah the super shotgun is genuinely the best part of the game

[scenic stratus]

The regular shotgun is a behemoth when used at point-blank range

Tho I notice it being consistently better in BFG edition for me. I never one-shot a single imp on OG Xbox doom 3 with shotgun, but on BFG I did it often

could be a skill thing on my part but still

[misty abyss]

No, shotgun is THAT bad

the only redeeming quality is damage

even then there's also rng, for both spread and damage

actual garbage weapon

Double barrel is a bit better but it's only in expansions

[scenic stratus]

yeah it sucks that it got snubbed from base game

I was surprised at how relatively little I was using the shotgun on OG Xbox

[earnest matrix]

The thing is, there are pros and cons to each shotgun. The super is double-barrel so while it may get you an insta kill, if it doens't, you may end up dead just from reloading it.

[scenic stratus]

same can be said for the normal shotgun

I also had a funny glitch in DOOM 3.

I had to do that jump where you have to move a crane and then jump on the platform to cross over... but I failed the jump and fell all the way down to the bottom of the level and... didn't die. I could just walk to the exit of the level which was located on the bottom

On subsequent replays, the fall down was deadly. I don't get what happened honestly (I ended up replaying the level from the start after beating the game because it only felt fair)

[earnest matrix]

I remember getting stuck in something on one of the levels. I never could get myself free so I just had to restart from the beginning of the level or maybe a saved game.

Maybe your health and amour was full the first time you fell and later times it wasn't?

I can see myself replaying the base+xp as much as I have enjoyed it. Although, I have to take breaks a lot when dying often in difficult places through the game. Then I just come back later or another day and eventually get through it.

[scenic stratus]

That's the thing - my health and armor were not full, and the time I fell first, no fall damage at all

not even an 'oof' sound

[earnest matrix]

Well, as complex as software is, that doesn't surprise. It could be a 1 in a million bug that you have to have the stars aligned for it to happen.

[scenic stratus]

Bit flip from space

[coarse timber]

Yeah at this point, use the chainsaw at point-blank range and fortunately the other weapons are so good to use

The grenades are the real GOAT of Doom 3

[quasi silo]

Shotgun is fine. On Normal it was one of my most used guns

[coarse timber]

Chainsaw is literally better

[quasi silo]

So

Your use of "literally" makes it seem like a response to what I said, which is strange because I never said it's worse. I never even compared the two. I just said the shotgun is fine

[earnest matrix]

I'm sure we're all gonna have different opinions about what the best weapons are. Use whatever floats your boat or gets you to the finish line still alive. 🙂

They all kill and that's the goal.

[scenic stratus]

Chainsaw is so good

At one point on Veteran mode my strat was just to leroy-jenkins my way through gunners with a chainsaw

I also chainsaw'd an Archvile more than once, very effective

Needless to say it was fun to revisit DOOM 3 and to finally try the original non-bfg version for a change

[misty abyss]

Oh yeah, they're funny , i remember spamming hell knights to death with it

[tulip swallow]

Hay gang

[scenic stratus]

yeah chainsaw is more consistent than the shotgun

[frail pawn]

How do you get doom 3

[scenic stratus]

buy it on steam or you can buy the rerelease if you are on console

[coarse timber]

Best Doom 3 weapons are

Chaingun
Rifle(i don't remember the name because I have the game set on an other language)
Granades
Plasma Gun
Chainsaw

(I don't count BFG and Soul Cube because you don't use them that much normally

[quasi silo]

It's on PC too, but really pointless to get there over the BFG Edition

[coarse timber]

It's on every platform

If on PC both versions are in the same package

On consoles there is only BFG Edition

If on PC the OG is better, if on Console you have to play BFG

[quasi silo]

The OG Xbox also got the OG

[scenic stratus]

yepp

[coarse timber]

But it's very unlikely that someone has a xbox og

[quasi silo]

I wasn't saying it to "erm actually 🤓" you, don't worry lol

I was just adding onto what you said

[coarse timber]

Sorry

[quasi silo]

You're fine

[coarse timber]

Alright, fourth run at veteran difficulty

[frail pawn]

oh danm

ight bet when i got the money i will buy it

[coarse timber]

Is RNG lowered on Veteran Difficulty? Because I am oneshotting way too many enemies in a row with the shotgun

[scenic stratus]

nah you're just lucky

[coarse timber]

Veteran Difficulty it's just a "you lose more health" so boring

[scenic stratus]

And slightly more enemies from what I hear

[feral flax]

Can anyone help me with a weird bug I've got on the steam release? ping reply me if you can thanks

[feral flax]

im having issues with the one game with the dead chat 💔

[quasi silo]

You should just write out your issue instead of waiting man

[coarse timber]

Which type of issue? You're playing on BFG or OG?

[feral flax]

Og. When I launch the game, once it starts the Id software logo the screen starts flashing bright white over the game and doesn't stop

[solar bough]

Similar to Final Doom, is it also okay for newcomers to skip Doom 3 and Resurrection of Evil after finishing Doom 64 and just jump to Doom 2016?

[scenic stratus]

No

[solar bough]

Well, Doom 3 isn't really within the main timeline. And obviously its gameplay is vastly different to the rest of the titles, so I don't think skipping it is strictly a bad choice.

You're not missing much.

[quasi silo]

You can skip it but it's still a great game worth checking out

[solar bough]

I’ve always considered Doom 3 to be in a parallel universe to be honest.

Although most of the time it feels like a reimagining of Doom 1.

[quasi silo]

It is one

[solar bough]

Makes sense considering the similarities it has with Doom 1.
Pretty much the beginning.
No Super Shotgun (It is there in Resurrection of Evil).
Set on UAC Facility.
Cyberdemon as a boss fight.
I could go on.

And while Doom 2016 also shares some similarities with Doom 1, it's more of its own game/Doom 4 (Obviously).

[scenic stratus]

imagine skipping Doom 3 lmao

[solar bough]

Not within the main timeline so...

But could just be a parallel universe.

[scenic stratus]

Your loss 🤷

[solar bough]

Obviously Doom 3's gameplay is another factor. And bit of a continuity issue if you ask me.

There's sprinting, magazines, flashlight, and bunch of other mechanics we only ever really see in Doom 3 and never see again in Doom 2016.

It's like when you look at Serious Sam 2, it's gameplay is unique from the other entires. And then look at BFE, you'll notice it's gameplay is the same as TFE/TSE. But that's ahead of myself.

[scenic stratus]

Even more of a Doom game than Eternal

2016 at least has more things from classic doom

like secrets actually rewarding you with good stuff

same for Doom 3

[quasi silo]

Sprinting has also been in the series' roots since the beginning, the new games are the black sheep when it comes to sprinting

[feral flax]

Idk man you run pretty fucking quick in 2016

[feral flax]

So does anyone have any suggestions?

[quasi silo]

There's no dedicated sprint button, that is what we are talking about here

[quasi silo]

Ask in #community-support if you haven't yet

[solar bough]

Right, but Doom 1, 2, and 64 at least have the always run feature in most modern ports. And even without that, you don't have a limited stamina bar in those games.

[quasi silo]

I never use always run personally :p. And unlimited stamina wouldn't really work as well for DOOM 3

[solar bough]

But then you'd just be keeping yout finger on Shift all the time. That's comfortable for everyone.

[quasi silo]

It kind of feels weird to not hold shift down while running

I'm able to run all of DOOM and DOOM II in one sitting without discomfort like this

[solar bough]

I always just have always run on for Classic since most modern ports have it anyway.

And my favorite game is none other than TF2, and that game never had a sprint button.

So I'm pretty much used to that.

I guess...

[digital zinc]

Hi! I'm looking for people able to help me with 2 achievements: "Ninja Killer" and "2 Deaths - 1 Gun"
I only need these to have 100% of the game complete, but multiplayer is brutally dead

If anyone wants to help, you can DM me. I will appretiate it
Thx!

[earnest matrix]

But DooM 3 offers unlimited stamina, there is no stamina bar or indicator.

[quasi silo]

There is a stamina bar

[earnest matrix]

What is your primary platform...I've never seen it on PC in OG DooM 3. Maybe it's in BFG?

[quasi silo]

It's in the OG version too :p

It's the yellow bar under your health

[earnest matrix]

Well, I must be blind then. I'll have to look for that more closely when I play later tonight.

What is your primay platform you play 3 on, is it PC also?

[quasi silo]

I play the BFG Edition on Xbox and the OG release on PC

[earnest matrix]

Those stamina bars sound like a bit of a console concept.

[quasi silo]

I can send a video of the stamina bar in action, it's right there

[earnest matrix]

I believe you, I just have never realized it was there. I've never used it to the point of exhaustion I guess. 🤷‍♂️

I'll look tonight when I play again. I'm going through RoE right now.

A little progress each day for me.

[quasi silo]

Nice, RoE is pretty good. I'm playing through RtCW lately

[earnest matrix]

Yep, I love the gravity gun. That is dope XXXX to be honest. I mean, this has become my favorite game of all time almost. Maybe it's just because it's the one I'm going through now. But everything about the base+exp just really impresses me.

And this game is so old now, it's mind boggling.

[quasi silo]

The gravity gun is a very obvious attempt to rival Half-Life 2, heh. It is a pretty nifty weapon though; if you learn a cool utilization of it it can be a lifesaver during big fights

[earnest matrix]

Oh, I have learned that already. 🙂

[quasi silo]

Will you be doing The Lost Mission via BFG Edition or the mod that adds it to the 2004 version?

[earnest matrix]

I honestly like the original versus becoming a crybaby about having to use the flashlight without weapon in hand. I like the more challenging, even if I wanna NERD RAGE quit sometimes in frustration. 🙂

So, thanks for the heads up. Yes, I'll finish that afterwards on OG PC.

[quasi silo]

Eh, I personally think the flashlight change is not a bad change. It'd be better off as an option though, and not forced

[earnest matrix]

I'm all about choices, that's fine, if you want the game to be a bit easier. It's not a bad change but it was for a specific audience, addressing a specific gripe. I just test myself more. I will say this, though. Last night. I get stuck in a damn office and I had to turn clipping off, not to cheat, just so I could get out of that stuck position so I could finish the level.

[quasi silo]

The audience the flashlight change was for was HUGE. Pretty sure the first mod ever made for DOOM 3 was to add the flashlight to guns, it was a huge complaint. Then they changed it... and people decided THEN that the game is better with a flashlight. Pretty funny

[earnest matrix]

I prefer it the OG way but different strokes for different folks. I think they got it right. If you use a flashlight all the way through the game you took away some of the mystery, the spooky, the unknown. I love it.

Humans in general are very similar to water in that they will choose the path of least resistance.

[quasi silo]

One way to play amplifies the action, the other the tension. They are both great

[earnest matrix]

I do have gripes though. Even again, last night during the cutscenes when Dr. McNeil is talking and listening to audio logs. Sometimes, I can't hear the audio logs because of the ambient sounds they have playing on the level, mostly operating machinery. They needed to be smarter about either adding closed captions, subtitles, or dampening the damn background noises when an audio log is playing. I'd like to see a mod for this small gripe of mine.

[quasi silo]

I agree, I don't remember most of the dialogue from the DOOM 3 trilogy because of how deafening the sound effects are

[solar bough]

I need help, I can't uninstall the Essential HD Pack mod.

Dhewm3 specifically. I got rid of the mod in the base game. But I can't get rid of it in the source port.

I reinstalled Dhewm3 multiple times and the mod still wouldn't go away.

[spice coral]

Funny enough this was actually fixed in the original Xbox ports which paused the game completely when loading into the PDA. No background noise at all.

The OG Xbox ports are such a weird way to play Doom 3 in general. Like if you tried to remake the game with just a little bit of memory loss. Rooms, levels, and even cutscenes are missing, level layouts have been changed around to accommodate the Xbox. Hell, you never have to stop the Enpro plant from blowing up, nor do you see Bravo Team go down, they're just killed off in a radio transmission. If I had the time, I'd love to go through and document all the differences.

And the built in co-op mode is so strange. Almost stripped down to the point you could consider it a more classic-doom faithful rendition of Doom 3. No audio logs or cutscenes whatsover. Oodles of extra ammo and monster spawns, it just sucks that it's barely more than half the length of the Single Player campaign.

[scenic stratus]

wish doom 3 for the xbox was real

[scenic stratus]

I beat DOOM 3 OG Xbox recently after having beaten BFG on PS5 twice

https://tenor.com/view/it-is-acceptable-gus-fring-acceptable-better-call-saul-acceptable-gif-25806361

The darkness can be a tad annoying sometimes and it is slower and took more time getting used to but I have great respect for the OG Xbox port

[solar bough]

Okay, would it be possible to have Doom 3 as a prequel to Doom 1? The only way I see this actually working is have the Doom 3 Doomguy be the main one, and so his first encounter with Hell would be on Mars. And then because of the demons failing to invade Mars, they instead choose to invade Phobos and Deimos. And then Doomguy is sent to Phobos just as he did in Doom 1.

And with how slow Doom 3's gameplay is, it can reflect Doomguy being less experienced. Then in Doom 1-Doom 64, he's able to beat the forces of Hell easily because he becomes more resilient since he's experienced Hell before. And in the new entries, he's the Slayer, no further comment.

As for Resurrection of Evil, because it's a different marine than in the base game, I could just say stuff would almost be the same. But I'd say Betruger would at least orchestrate the invasion of Phobos and Deimos before his encounter with the ROE marine. Basically his post-mortem act.

[stable cove]

is there a way to get the achievments for doom 3 multiplayer without any friends is there like a mod or somthing?

[quasi silo]

You mean bot matches? No

[stable cove]

oh

[scenic stratus]

Maybe, but I think it's more fun to imagine that really is just a regular guy with the worst first day on the job. Doom 1 guy was sent to Phobos as punishment for disobeying orders iirc, DOOM 3 guy just had a really bad day one on the job

[solar bough]

We can still find a way to bridge that gap.

It's important to note that the it's a 2 year time gap between Doom 3 and Resurrection of Evil (2145-2147). So an alternative idea I also had is having Doom 1 and 2 be set between them both. Since Betruger in Doom 3 was intent on "bringing Hell to Earth". However that isn't quite mentioned of in Resurrection of Evil. So if the Doom 3 marine and Doomguy are the same character. It's possible after the events of Doom 3, the Spider Mastermind and also Betruger, now Maledict, both orchestrated the invasion of Phobos and Deimos. So Doomguy is sent to Phobos in response and thus Doom 1 and 2 take place.

[quasi silo]

Wasn't he already on Phobos?

[solar bough]

If we try to merge Doom 3 with the rest of the series instead of making it its own parallel universe, then I like to assume Doomguy is sent to mars first, kicking off Doom 3.

Simply he was sent to Mars at a bad time.

And after the events of Doom 3, is relocated to Phobos. And at some point the events of Doom 1 and 2 occur.

[scenic stratus]

My headcanon is that returned to Earth after his awful first day on the job and proceeded to live a normal life

[solar bough]

And after being sent to Phobos, Maledict knew of that and thus worked with the Spider Mastermind to invade Phobos and Deimos. Pretty much his own personal revenge and continuing with his original intent (Bringing Hell to Earth).

So Doom 1 and 2.

And then afterwards, Resurrection of Evil takes place then. And I'd even go as far to say Resurrection of Evil would take place at roughly the same time as Doom 64.

Doomguy would be busy dealing with Phobos again and goes back to Hell to defeat the Mother Demon. And the other marine is also fighting off the demons unleashed back on Mars as well, along with him defeating Maledict.

[quasi silo]

This is all possible, but not sure if the Martian Hero makes all of this align

[quasi silo]

To be fair after seeing the shit he did I doubt he would go on to live a normal life. Probably some kind of mental issues

[scenic stratus]

Maybe.

[solar bough]

That Martian tablet I just assume is just a little reference. Even part of it is broken off so you don't see his face. And that Martian Hero also sacrificed himself, which is why we see his sarcophagus that is different to the one Doom Slayer ended up in.

[quasi silo]

Maybe

[solar bough]

Even if the marine in Doom 3 isn't the same as Doomguy, I would still have the same idea of Doom 3 being a prequel. Because again, the invasions of Phobos and Deimos would also occur after Mars, since all 3 are the stepping stone to invading Earth.

And on the subject of the Martians. I probably assume they were what remained of the Night Sentinels. Both had similar advanced tech.

And even Doomguy himself fought a Hell invasion there which can at least explain why there was that one tablet recreating Doom 1's cover art.

[cerulean jungle]

Can we all agree DOOM 3 was more of a horror game than a run n' gun

[misty abyss]

It tries to be but at the same time you're loaded with ammo and armed to teeth

[cerulean jungle]

It becomes more of a run n' gun later but by then it's already classed as a horror

[misty abyss]

It was certainly the atmosphere they were going for

[cerulean jungle]

I think they wanted to sorta promote the power

Was it not on the OG Xbox?

[misty abyss]

It was

[cerulean jungle]

Yeah

[misty abyss]

As game progresses you get incredibly powerful, hell knights are kinda a joke, i could spam them to death with grenades on a gamepad

[cerulean jungle]

That makes sense

[solar bough]

Can CSTDoom 3 run on Steam Deck?

[heady vortex]

lost mission completed. time for RoE on my one level per day till tda

Guardian is a overcrown pinky, change my mind

[solar bough]

You did Lost Mission first?

[heady vortex]

i did timeline order for the most part

[clear vapor]

Thats actually sounds like a fun idea

One doom 3 level per day

Probably another reason why to play doom 3 the 74th time

[cerulean jungle]

It says it's unsupported on my Steam Deck but I'll look into it when it's on sale or I'll just get it on CD Keys for like $1-2

[misty abyss]

Doom 3 and BFG edition work fine on steam deck, it's just you have to do some control mapping for gamepad so you could play original version without keyboard and mouse

[quasi silo]

It's an equal amount of both I'd say

Like there's tension and the atmosphere is creepy but outside of the failed imp jumpscares the game's not really trying much to get under your skin. And there certainly is some action

[coarse timber]

I disagree