classic-doom

[sly oasis]

Textures issues; I tried it myself, was pretty bummed.

I could only get Doom and Doom II to work personally.

[hexed escarp]

yeah, thats too bad

it would have looked so cool i feel like

especially with all of the cracks

[sly oasis]

No worries; DC references primary sources in all his podcasts, for what it's worth.

[hexed escarp]

wait but i thought it only used doom textures

[sly oasis]

Yeah, absolutely.

I was hoping to play all the "canon" OG Doom wads with RTX.

[sly oasis]

It's got something to do with the way the levels are built.

[hexed escarp]

oh thats too bad

[hexed escarp]

does it work with final doom?

[sly oasis]

I could only ever get the first levels of TNT and Plutonia to work.

Never tried No Rest.

[twilit rock]

how do you mean canon

like published by id?

[serene viper]

canon means confirmed by the devs

[vocal summit]

nah canon means relevant to the story

[serene viper]

Well its similar anyhow

[hexed escarp]

huh e5m8 loaded but the weapons are invisible for some reason

[hexed escarp]

no the person above you is right

canon means confirmed as official by the creators of whatever piece of media you are talking about

[twilit rock]

i know what canon means but what does canon doom wads mean

like doom and doom 2?

[hexed escarp]

doom 1, doom 2, plutonia, tnt, master levels, no rest for the living

[twilit rock]

i see

[dapper flint]

Master levels isn't really Canon to anything. It's just a punch of bad levels thrown together

It was also confirmed at all the fan wads are Canon but take that with a grain of salt

[twilit rock]

All

How does that even work

[azure nimbus]

You need a fridge temp(on the Kelvin) to begin to understand the master levels

[slim willow]

the magic "hugo says"

[cosmic pagoda]

canon implies theres a bunch of lore, which is not true

I love the fact that theres almost no lore regarding og doom

„Story in a game is like a story in a porn movie. It's expected to be there, but it's not that important.“ — John D. Carmack

[dapper flint]

Final doom plutonia in particular does have some great "lore"

[orchid ocean]

“They killed my bunny, now I’ll kill them all”

And that’s it, I like that

[grave cypress]

[slim willow]

i miss manual guy :(

[dapper flint]

He's in the void now

[hexed escarp]

are the doom for switch ports based on unity or dos emulator?

[tacit remnant]

Unity

[hexed escarp]

oh cool

[twilit rock]

All the new consoles and steam version is the same game

[hexed escarp]

is it possible to disable the crosshair in unity?

[slim willow]

yeah its in the settings

[hexed escarp]

oh cool

[wispy cloud]

i really like the setting though
the modern-futuristic aesthetic is really nice, i like it

it's set in 2020-2022 so we have something to look forward to as well

[azure nimbus]

#classic-doom message

[pearl osprey]

I disagree, lore/story makes games more interesting, they can get you hooked to keep going forward to know what happens next, they can motivate you to have hatred for the enemies which makes you play more aggressively, they can hint at gameplay mechanics. Even if you don't care about the story, just knowing the context around the fictional world of the game can improve your gameplay experience

I personally would have never played doom if it weren't for Doom Eternal's lore (even though it's not that good)

[azure nimbus]

I've played thousands of hours and never watched the cutscenes in DE.

[twilit rock]

Doom eternal lore from what ive heard is so fucking stupid

[dapper flint]

Nah it's pretty good. Just all over the place

Personally I welcome lore

They just need to tone it down

[twilit rock]

They made doomguy into like the chosen one

I hate that so much

[dapper flint]

There definitely were better ways to explain the super solider thing but it still makes sense why he can decimate a dimension.

[dapper flint]

I'm the complete opposite here. I still watch them all. Ever was much for skipping cutscenes

[azure nimbus]

I already know all the lore: pew pew

[wide steppe]

i love the gameplay of eternal, but the art and the vibe doesnt really click with me as much as the charming spritework and the cheesy story of classic doom

[dapper flint]

The best lore there is

[slim willow]

yeah its a little goofy. excited to see what they do with tag2's ending

how are they gonna get the slayer out? lol

[dapper flint]

Prequel or some magical new bady

[wispy cloud]

fuck. we missed it.

[royal heron]

It's very interesting, but confusing

There's an answer for almost every question or "plot hole" that I'm pretty sure can always be answered with lore

You just have to dig deep enough

[hexed escarp]

ah, now that i have found the key and cleared out the enemies, time to play the game of where the fuck am I supposed to go now

city levels

where the hell is the red key door in map16

ive been running around aimlessly through an empty map for like 5 minutes

overall this map has been very fun but idk where tf to go now

ok, i just looked it up, and that is some BS level design

[vocal summit]

once you get to downtown feel free to uninstall doom 2

go play strife or some shit

[finite crag]

don't uninstall Doom 2, you won't be able to play most doom wads 🙂

[vocal summit]

freedoom

[halcyon willow]

Why would anyone choose to inflict that upon themselves

[wide steppe]

freedoom is fine

[halcyon willow]

Yes, if you can't get hold of doom2.wad

[tacit remnant]

Weird, stupid idea: combine Doom 2 and Freedoom assets for maximum unique monsters and such

[slim willow]

[cosmic pagoda]

but they act identical

[inner nexus]

it took me 30 mins to beat cyberdemon and didnt realise we had history class

[slim willow]

education is important but fragging the cyber demon is more important

[inner nexus]

no

the history teacher doesnt give a fuck about her job

she is staying on her phone and tells us to do whatever we want

[slim willow]

oh lovely

imagine ruining history by not giving a fuck.

no tests no assignments nothing?!

[vast reef]

history is important

the philippines' 2022 election is proof of that

[slim willow]

this is a fact

[azure nimbus]

Finished struggle. Excellent set, very impressive that Antares built these enormous structures and balanced the fancy weapons and monsters. I started fractured worlds, but it just can't be the only thing I play rn. It's way too hard to be the main project

[cosmic pagoda]

on what map?

btw tried the viddump on demos with dsda doom, for some reason it makes empty files?

the demo runs fast forwarded on my screen but then quits

[inner nexus]

Ch2 map8

[cosmic pagoda]

oh, he's in an open space, you can easily circlestrafe him

very easy if you play continuous and bring a plasma, otherwise it just takes a bit more time

[azure nimbus]

could be your graphics card or maybe you don't have the ffmpeg? I don't know how any of it really works, but I can share my dsda folder if you'd like

[cosmic pagoda]

maybe its the ffmpeg

ill try after work today

[azure nimbus]

there's also your dsda config file that might need to change the video capture settings in a text editor like notepad

[rapid pulsar]

i always use hardware accelerated, i play with mouselook and on gzdoom hardware accelerated renders differently which makes it not look extremely trippy when i look up or down

i dont know much about renderers through, i just use what looks/works best

[twilit rock]

jumpscare

[vast reef]

i like smooth doom

not the incredibly buttery smooth doom with 60 fps

[manic sonnet]

What is the most recommended hud for Doom?

[twilit rock]

default

[manic sonnet]

ok

[echo tartan]

I know plutonia is hard as balls but I'm actually having a good time there

[manic sonnet]

Fr?💀

[echo tartan]

for real

well to be fair I'm playing on GZdoom so I got the ability to look up and down which makes it easier

but nothing more

[vast reef]

it makes plutonia considerably easier since it relies on monsters that you can't shoot

if you're gonna play any wad designed with the original autoaim in mind, please turn off mouselook

[echo tartan]

butbutbutbutbut

[twilit rock]

plutonia is god rier

[twilit rock]

Ah hell nah

Freelook mfs😭

We need two channels "classic" doom and classic doom

[vast reef]

^

[echo tartan]

😔

Tbh I'm actually glad im doing this on freelook

Not sure if it would be very enjoyable otherwise

[manic sonnet]

What's wrong with that?

[twilit rock]

If i listed all the problems with freelook it would be too long

Maybe later today I will right my anti-gzdoom dissertation

[manic sonnet]

It's Not that Long Like Your meat

[orchid ocean]

gman

[proud pilot]

too far into eternal doom to give up now but i'm getting mighty tired of all the switch hunting

glad i just went for an ultra-violence run right from the start though. because if i was playing on hurt me plenty there's absolutely no way i would choose to play it again at a higher difficulty because some of the sections are just so mind-numbingly boring

and frustrating as hell

it's like hexen but worse

footage of me half an hour into map20

i'm very surprised i haven't gotten a TIME SUCKS yet
but that might be because i'm getting so fed up with some of these levels that i just try to get out as soon as possible instead of going for 100% everything

[hexed escarp]

what do you guys use for making music for doom wads

what software

[pearl osprey]

I am not a musician, but I used Online Sequencer once and it seems pretty good

[vocal summit]

average doomworld user

[twilit rock]

100% this

[twilit rock]

plays gzdoom with 4k textures, ray tracing, mouselook, jump, and hardware renderer enabled "Yeah i love the original doom!"

[vast reef]

freelook rocks

but a lot of doom wads are designed specifially with the doom restrictions in mind and freelook is the equivalent of using a mod to cheat

i personally turn it off or on depending on the wad

[tacit remnant]

I like how Doom gets a lot of unique challenges and depth from extremely simple mechanics and I feel that freelook undermines that strength in simplicity

[vast reef]

i used to be a mega-purist who'd turn off mouselook whenever i could, but after playing a lot of doom mods with it it's honestly fine

i only turn it on when i don't intend to take a wad seriously

[vast reef]

also i heavily agree with this

i feel like doom gets the "simple at face value but tons of depth when you look closer" thing perfectly

[royal heron]

If a map uses freelook, yeah I'll use it

But otherwise, I turn it off

Makes things easier

You can shoot enemies you normally can't shoot without it

[dapper flint]

It's considered cheating when it comes to demo submissions

[royal heron]

And if you're doing platforming, you can look up and down

[vast reef]

^

[royal heron]

A big example I can think of is in Doom 2's city levels which have some platforming that's way under you

[dapper flint]

Never had an issue where I couldn't shoot an enemy

[vast reef]

at least mouselook users aren't as bad as people who jump to sequence break

[royal heron]

Normally you can't see where you're running

But with freelook, you can determine where to run

[dapper flint]

These are all things someone who's played doom for a while can already do

[royal heron]

Me either, but with freelook you can stand right under an enemy and shoot it which is where I'm coming from

[vast reef]

iirc if you put an enemy far enough or in a very specific place the autoaim goes wack and you can't shoot it properly

[dapper flint]

Never had that issue. If you do there are crosshairs that turn a different color that indicates you can hit the enemy. Something I generally use because of controller anyways

[vast reef]

it's more of a feature

[royal heron]

Can't you also shoot things that are out of the autoaim's range with freelook?

[vast reef]

yeah you can

if the target's too far away, vertical autoaim won't take effect (which is the thing i was referring to)

with freelook you can cheese that

[dapper flint]

If you want to use free look that's fine. As long as you realize that it's cheating

[tacit remnant]

The Plutonia level Aztec has a bit that intentionally puts Arachnotrons out of autoaim range so you can’t snipe them and need to push through to get to safety and get behind them later

[vast reef]

yep

[royal heron]

Most of these things aren't gonna matter too much to someone who's played a lot of classic doom, but for someone that's new I feel like if they start playing without it it's gonna stunt them a lot

[vast reef]

yeah

[royal heron]

So best to start not using it

[dapper flint]

A good trick with arachs is even if they aren't visible the large hitbot means you can still hit them. Next time you see something like that use the shotgun. You'll see what I mean.

[tacit remnant]

No, the problem is that they’re firing from above so that without freelook you physically can’t hit them. They’re perfectly visible

[vast reef]

yes

[dapper flint]

I'm not aware of a plutonia level where actual 100 isn't possible so you must be wrong

[royal heron]

You can teleport to them later

I know what level it is

[dapper flint]

Ah okay

[tacit remnant]

No it doesn’t make 100% impossible. The point is that it forces you to leave them for later and essentially creates a pressure cooker situation

[royal heron]

You can rocket them if you stand on the invis bridge

Much safer than anything else

Make sure you get rid of the revs and chaingunners though

And iirc there's also a pain elemental there

[dapper flint]

Yeah that happens. That's just a design choice then. Much like a level that focuses around a cyber sniper you can't kill until it's fragged

[tacit remnant]

Right it’s a design choice

[dapper flint]

Another example of breaking the map

For other enemies far up especially when I'm being shot at I do a oval pattern and shoot when at the tip of the oval. Usually will be able to kill any enemy far up

[vocal summit]

still is the same game

[twilit rock]

Ship of theseus problem

[vocal summit]

oh man not the hardware renderer! that completely changes the game!1!!1!1!

[azure nimbus]

right, there are as far as I can tell 3ish things lacking freelook does: 1. knowing about things at extreme height variation is hard(think pinkies in slime below like e4m6 or just regular platforming). 2. inability to shoot at enemies at extreme range unless you have the same elevation. Say map29's manc sniper at the exit. 3. Making shooting monsters that are above/below but behind the monster in front of you rather awkward. You'd have to sidestep the one in front. Like if you have manc in front of you but a caco in the air behind it, you can't just shoot over the manc. You have to step beside it to avoid autoaim. Mostly the range thing is used to good effect imo

[dapper flint]

Again if you're having issues with enemy encounters at heights then sure use mouse look. I've never had that issue to the point of frustration. But just because it makes things easier doesn't mean it isn't breaking the intended purpose of that encounter or map

[azure nimbus]

And yeah, it feels silly, but I also think about how I did most fights in halo infinite. I had weapons with range so extreme that I killed most encounters by standing a million miles away when nobody could see at all

[vocal summit]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/694870947295002658/991759130794676234/8mb.video-5TF-e5Dq3e5G.mp4

[twilit rock]

Lmao

[vast reef]

no

i consider gzdoom to be a modern remaster of doom

[dapper flint]

They were just trying to have a conversation bro lol

[vast reef]

this looks good aside from the upscale thingy you're using

and i always recommend changing the sprite axis for freelook users to x/y (the option that had x, can't remember what it was called specifically) because it just looks so much better with monsters

[dapper flint]

https://imgur.com/a/KF6MvcE

Bridgeburners map 29 1000 lines 3 is a banger. I highly highly recommend it for anyone that wants an adrenaline rush

Basically no stop action for 20 minutes. A hot start that never ends

[vocal summit]

i turned on as much graphics bullshit that i could

[vast reef]

yeah upscales don't look good for doom

[vocal summit]

2x looks good on the enemy sprites

[vast reef]

they work in a 2D game because it looks like it's painted but in doom they look weird imo

the sprites are good as it is, and so is the lighting (though i personally like putting the gamma lower)

gzdoom's lighting and postprocessing also looks stunning

i'm on the fence with voxels

they look better and worse at the same time imo

[vast reef]

actually, i think this looks pretty good
https://imgur.com/azToMpG (the shotgun looks a little off on the edges, but it's fine)

sorry for going on another rant

[vocal summit]

is that the neural upscale?

i'm using the option in gzdoom

[vast reef]

neural upscale

[vast reef]

oh, that

i used to play with it when i was new to doom since i told myself higher resolution = better

accidentally turned it off and decided the game looked better as it was

[dapper flint]

Personally I'm a fan of chonk. The more chonk the better

[royal heron]

Chonk to me also looks better

[vast reef]

chonk is better

[opal falcon]

So, I've been playing Doom II on my PS5, and it's been lagging and crashing.

Is anyone else dealing with that?

[cosmic pagoda]

this

[cosmic pagoda]

once you get good on no freelook you start to prefer it

[cosmic pagoda]

I think it was the ffmpeg, I apparently lacked it, its now running very slow and eating gpu, will see once it finishes

[hexed escarp]

how come the gun on the doomguy sprite doesnt look at all like any of the weapons that you can get in game

[tacit remnant]

No idea but it always weirds me out

[pearl osprey]

Maybe it was ingame but was cut later

[hexed escarp]

yeah

i wish the chaingun was an assault rifle instead

that would have been cooler imo

[tacit remnant]

I honestly like the minigun better because it feels so extra. Doom 64’s version is just better though

[pearl osprey]

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Assault_rifle_(Doom)

[hexed escarp]

also the chaingun sound is so annoying

it honestly affects how much i use the weapon

subconsiously

[hexed escarp]

ah, interesting

[pearl osprey]

So it was a real weapon in game

[opal falcon]

Was it replaced by the shotgun?

[pearl osprey]

too bad it was cut it sounds like a cool idea

[tacit remnant]

Rowdy Rudy replaces the pistol with an assault rifle if you want to see how that feels

[hexed escarp]

probably was replaced by the chaingun

[tacit remnant]

According to the link above it was replaced with the pistol

[hexed escarp]

ah weird

am i the only one that finds the chaingun sound super annoying?

[opal falcon]

I don't mind it.

[tacit remnant]

I don’t mind it.

[hexed escarp]

oh, huh

[opal falcon]

But I also barely use it except on rare occasions when I'm totally surrounded.

[tacit remnant]

But again, the Doom 64 chaingun is just better in every way

[hexed escarp]

ig its not that annoying, its just super unsatisfying

[opal falcon]

The shotgun is my favorite to use.

[hexed escarp]

the ssg is my favorite

i think iits everyones favorite

[opal falcon]

Others deal more damage, but those like the rocket launcher will also kill you if you're too close.

[tacit remnant]

I like pretty much every classic Doom weapon except maybe the plasma rifle

[pearl osprey]

I like using it but yes it sounds annoying

[hexed escarp]

whats wrong with it

[cosmic pagoda]

only sound I find annoying in doom is the revenant roaming sound

[pearl osprey]

The sounds of the SSG is god tier though

[hexed escarp]

yeah

[tacit remnant]

IDK. I mostly just always feel bad about not saving the plasma for the BFG

[hexed escarp]

i love lining up a bunch of enemies and then killing them all with one ssg shot

[cosmic pagoda]

oftentimes plasma is more economical

[opal falcon]

The plasma rifle has helped me a lot.

[cosmic pagoda]

the pain elemental wakeup is also annoying but only because I hate these things

[tacit remnant]

In general I tend to just save the plasma for really crazy situations then open up with BFG carnage. Stuff like Scythe’s level Fear or Go 2 It in Plutonia

[cosmic pagoda]

well go 2 it is absolutely packed with cells too

[opal falcon]

How early did you die when you first played any of the original two games?

[tacit remnant]

Absolute first time? I think E1M3 or so

[opal falcon]

I didn't play Doom for the first time until this year, so I probably had a better chance of living longer.

I want to say I died the first time on either the fourth or fifth level in the original.

[tacit remnant]

I played for the first time maybe 3 years ago

[dapper flint]

Chaingun is super helpful for stun lock. It's my go 2 when I don't have a plasma and I see a pain or I see my potential movement being blocked

[cosmic pagoda]

no idea, it was in 1996 ish

[twilit rock]

Lowkey i prefer the regular shotgun

The super shotgun sounds annoying idk why

[dapper flint]

The the greatest sound ever made you fucking sinner

[twilit rock]

But the sound like really gets on my nerves

[dapper flint]

Jk haha

[opal falcon]

It took me until the eighth level in Doom II to die.

[cosmic pagoda]

roaming revenants are still the worst sound

they are so loud

[opal falcon]

The return of the Cyberdemon got me.

[dapper flint]

Archies

In the walls lol

[twilit rock]

Hell knight roar is in my nightmares

Demonic elephant

[cosmic pagoda]

archies arent so grating and have a positive effect putting you on edge

[hexed escarp]

i love the archvile sounds actually

[cosmic pagoda]

same

[hexed escarp]

they do induce dread

but thats just because you know what is coming, that doesnt make the sound bad

lol what

[tacit remnant]

Archies give me anxiety I hate their golden asses

[cosmic pagoda]

1984

[dapper flint]

Didn't say I hated. Just the sound that gets me ready the most

[twilit rock]

I wish the hell knights were actually intimidating to go along with their sounds

[cosmic pagoda]

they have slow mode and thats not enough, you get 1984d anyway smh

[opal falcon]

I just hate the Cyberdemon altogether.

Sounds and attacks and all.

[cosmic pagoda]

cybies are nice

[dapper flint]

Hellknights definitely are if there's more than 10 of them in a small space

[cosmic pagoda]

and really useful in infights

[tacit remnant]

Cyberdemons are tough but get more manageable with experience

[dapper flint]

Yeah I like cybers. Doing the work for me

[opal falcon]

Save for Thy Flesh Consumed's sixth level.

[tacit remnant]

I do wish cybers either did less damage or had less HP because I’m sick of chipping away at one only to take a wrong step and get oneshot

[dapper flint]

Honestly base campaign cybers are push overs

They can be used so much better

And have been now days

[cosmic pagoda]

they are pretty tough in plutonia at some places

like the one in barons lair(tight quaters) and go 2 it(even tighter)

[dapper flint]

If I have an ssg plasma even in a tight spot I'm good to go. Bfg and it's over

[dapper flint]

Go 2 it uv plus on the other hand. That was insane

[tacit remnant]

Late Scythe has rooms with triple cybers because why not

[dapper flint]

The arena I did last night had around 100 hellknights barons 12 pain elementals 6 cybers and 4 archies and I think 8 custom enemies that fire flame waves. That was a chicken with no head fight for sure

[tacit remnant]

Scythe’s Fear map was a real bloodbath. Something like a dozen cybers, scores of Hell Knights, hundreds of Revenants, and multiple Archviles for that hot flavor

[dapper flint]

The map I described was bridgeburners by the way. Dudes a mad lad

[azure nimbus]

rowdy rudy uses the beta rifle graphics as the pistol replacement, and the baronet for the fist replacement

[tacit remnant]

Oh, and almost a hundred cacos

[dapper flint]

I definitely recommend map 29 1000 lines 3 if you want a taste. It's non stop action for a solid 20 minutes. Basically 500 plus enemies you're fighting at all times

No time for a breather

[tacit remnant]

Yeah Rowdy Rudy has the assault rifle as the pistol replacement and it’s pretty good. It shoots bullets in 2s but you can’t do continuous fire

[azure nimbus]

moving from struggle Antaresian Legacy's fancy weapon set to the vanilla kit(playing fractured worlds), really shows how weak the regular chaingun is. I mean the thing is ok, but once the heavy count gets up there, it really doesn't do enough

[dapper flint]

https://imgur.com/a/zUf8JgW

Just checking out this custom final boss

Really cool

[hexed escarp]

what wad?

[dapper flint]

1000 lines 3

[hexed escarp]

wow a vanilla compatible custom final boss, thats cool

what enemy does it replace

[azure nimbus]

just beat map02 of fractured worlds and...this is the hardest thing that I've played, "similar to later levels of sunlust" says the text file...no it isn't

[cosmic pagoda]

hmm I got viddump to work but it seems to run like its speed up after render

[dapper flint]

No idea but it's basically this super mancubus that jisy fires a stream of projectiles at you at random encounters. Map 30 is really good. Even though I'm not the best at platforming

[hexed escarp]

oh cool

[dapper flint]

Yeah! Thought you'd like it. I've only tried map 1 so far

I've heard some maps still need to be maxed

[azure nimbus]

map01 is kinda like sunlust map29. map02 is much harder

well... I know for sure that map01 and 02 have had demos so far then

[dapper flint]

First time I did map 1 I had no idea those cybers at the end only had 1000 health lol

So I dealt with the barons first

[dapper flint]

Are you still using controller or kbm now ?

[azure nimbus]

controller

demos work fine on controller though

[dapper flint]

I'm still having issues nailing platforming with sticks. It's a little tricky for me. For map 1 that was the hardest part hahah

[azure nimbus]

I can't walk a spiral staircase on keyboard

for map01, I found going slow on the platforming was best. For map02, there are 2 platforming parts(the way I do it) and there is an easy line to sr50 which lets you skip some platforms. Another cool thing is that on woof at least, I can turn while doing sr50 with a controller. I have turn right mapped to the B button, strafe to LT. So if I push the left stick up+right while pressing B and LT, I do sr50. But it'll still let me turn regularly on the right stick while doing that

[dapper flint]

Yeah same with eternity it seems and unity when I used it. You just need to be at an angle to get it

Ahhh that's actually pretty smart! I should try that since my b isn't doing anything

[azure nimbus]

if you're going for map01, consider routing a rad suit to bring into the yellow key fight

I used to use the face buttons for swaps but have recently put swaps on the dpad so I can access my movement options on the face buttons. Swaps in classic are rather slow, but sr50 is really important. Especially when circling cybers, or changing directions(especially with cybers) so having it easily accessible with claw grip is helpful

[dapper flint]

I'll get to it. I really need to change my strategy. I was doing demo rotations but it takes so long because I'm.doing so many wads I never get around to completing. Now I'm going to just start a wad practice the map then next record it and then the next map and so on.That will be faster rather than rotating wads which was a bad idea

[azure nimbus]

I do have to find something else to play as the main thing. Cuz this is too hard to have as the main set. Maybe rudy2 idk

[dapper flint]

Are you looking for something mid difficulty or easy ?

[azure nimbus]

I know rowdy rudy would be easy, but something like skillsaw/struggle difficulty is fine to for that type of set

Or I could do crumpets instead lol

[dapper flint]

Have you played lunatic yet ? Or atmospheric extinction

Crumpets isn't relax time hahah

[azure nimbus]

crumpets might be good. They're hard but they're short at least

[hexed escarp]

what do you guys think about the final boss of Eviternity

im only on map04, but i have heard differing opinions on the final boss and am curious what other people think of it because from what i have seen, it looks awesome

its definitely a technical masterpiece, but is it actually fun to play

[cosmic pagoda]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2D7C7ryGG0

for some reason its slightly sped up

[azure nimbus]

a lot of final bosses are kinda silly but considering that it's a 2 min thing, who cares

[dapper flint]

Loved it

Gold blood. Creepy catch phrase

[cosmic pagoda]

I actually prefer a larger map with many enemies to end bosses

bosses can often feel underwhelming

[dapper flint]

Eviternity final boss and the giga mancubus I fought were the best do bosses I've done honestly

[vast reef]

same

nobody says smooth doom to refer to that

smooth doom is a mod that adds a few more frames to weapon animations

you mean linear filtering or, like, xBRZ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07HPjlnGDbI

[regal quest]

O_O

[vast reef]

it's just cosmetic though

unless you get the version that changes some stuff

[regal quest]

I can see

[vast reef]

yeah this version is

idk which one i have

[regal quest]

❤️

[vast reef]

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/102462-vanilla-doom-smooth-weapons/

this is the one i use

doesn't have those new spark things or recoil-y shotgun

the plasma rifle does look a bit weird though

[pastel flame]

Is this Doom 2 chat too?

[serene viper]

Its classic doom, yes

[slim willow]

anything related to the 90s doom games yes

[cedar delta]

because unf

[plain veldt]

Hey, i’m having some trouble getting Doom II for PS5 running at a stable speed, it keeps lagging and crashing, i’m not sure if anyone else is having this issue but it updated recently so that might be the issue

Just asking to see if anyone else has this issue

[azure nimbus]

the newest console ports are not stable. I highly recommend getting the game on steam, then pulling the doom2.wad file from steam and downloading a fanmade source port(DSDA or woof are the best general use vanilla/boom/mbf ports imo). I have had woof crash only twice over the last few months, and I think that was my fault, messing about with some computer stuff. The official ports will crash daily. Ofc they do have achievements/trophies which are cool to get

[plain veldt]

Thank you

[azure nimbus]

your other option is to save constantly out of fear of the game crashing

crashes for me were usually preceded by some lag

[ripe lily]

cheat codes

IDKFA

[cosmic pagoda]

if you wanna cheat at least be cultured and do a IDFA instead of IDKFA

I do a bunch of IDDQD when working on my WAD

mostly to see if I need to add/remove ammo of a section

cba to fight every time

[manic sonnet]

Are TNT is easy?

[cosmic pagoda]

Mostly

It's hard because it's boring

Bo good fights and huge maps, making you run kilometers on unmemorable maps

Long corridors etc

[vast reef]

harder than doom 2

(much) easier than plutonia

[finite crag]

When is wipe

[vast reef]

tomorrow

[twilit rock]

Yeah it's doom<doom ii<e4<tnt<plutonia in terms of difficulty

[vast reef]

i agree with that

[cosmic pagoda]

wipe?

at the end of a lavatory visit, hopefully

[azure nimbus]

cba?

[cosmic pagoda]

can't be arsed

I found that I have to test for all difficulties too, noticed that I pulled a TNT map31 for easy on my map

[azure nimbus]

-coop_spawns ezpz

[finite crag]

As a professional idiot, I couldn’t get past E1M2 on TNT UV because of an area with a bunch of pinkies as well as my health being watered down from all the hit-scanners in the last room.

[cosmic pagoda]

Wait, you gan get paid for being an idiot?

[finite crag]

Nah, it’s just that I suck.

[tacit remnant]

I dream of a better world, where dumbasses are paid for their mental suffering

[vast reef]

on my way to make enough money to fix world hunger

[cosmic basin]

Started Valiant yesterday... just got passed map08... hell of a step up from Plutonia

[azure nimbus]

if you like it, check out other skillsaw stuff or "Struggle Antaresian Legacy". They're good, challenging mapsets that I think are a healthy sized step up from plut

[cosmic basin]

Cheers for the tip... Will look them up 👍

[tacit remnant]

I’d like to add Going Down to that as well

[cosmic pagoda]

have you seen darios playthrough of it?

lots and lots of swearing

[cosmic basin]

Tried Going Down... got about 3 maps in and kept dying... am on a skills improvement thing just now... my movement is still way too sloppy. It's one I want to finish though 👍

[cosmic basin]

Nah... got a link?

[cosmic pagoda]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Burbck38va0&list=PLk5gaNp4x_AWAIURyQ7rmOlyHD-AGWsVO

[cosmic basin]

Cheers bud 👍

[cosmic pagoda]

and he's the guy who made half of plutonia

[cosmic basin]

That's my evening viewing sorted 😀

[azure nimbus]

It is interesting how much Dario is just like....a guy. Like if I watch A1s playthroughs, this is a hardcore tryhard doomplayer. But the casalis are just some lads

[cosmic pagoda]

seems like a nice lad too, wouldnt mind having beers in a pub with him

also I love how he swears like a sailor and then goes through and censors each and every swear

[cosmic basin]

Been watching decino, coincident and SoBad... Doom players seem pretty chill, so enjoy seeing people do the same dumb stuff I do... WHY DID I MOVE THERE!!! 😂 Am learning keyboard and mouse control so die ALOT, stupidly. Such a good feeling when you beat a wad though....

[cosmic pagoda]

well decino is kind of a doomgod though

[azure nimbus]

he games

[cosmic basin]

Ah yeah, he's top class... makes everything seem so simple when it takes me 87 goes to get passed the same fight 😂

[little python]

is it worth playing first time with brutal mod?

[pearl osprey]

If you're playing for the first time it's better to not use any mods

[little python]

ok!

[vast reef]

never play the brutal mod

👍

[little python]

why?

i heard its one of best mods

[vast reef]

it's not worth playing things that aren't fun

[little python]

ohh

[vast reef]

it's not.

[little python]

i know what you mean

i will play it anyways

[vast reef]

brutal doom v21 isn't that good

some forks are pretty nice though

[little python]

kk

[little python]

what mod do you reccomend

[azure nimbus]

scythe2

[cosmic pagoda]

vanilla

[azure nimbus]

if you're the type of person interested in brutal doom, valiant, pirate doom, or perhaps struggle also make lots of changes

[little python]

ok

i dont really struggle but if mod is fun then i will playnit after vanilla

[azure nimbus]

"Struggle Antaresian Legacy" Is the name of the mod. I don't mean that you struggle

[little python]

oh ok

[azure nimbus]

Vanilla, as well as boom(a more conservative port than whatever brutal doom runs on) has a lot that it can do. I do think that they deserve at least a try before going for the more aggressive gameplay alterations

[little python]

k

there is no workshop for doom 1993?

[cosmic pagoda]

workshop?

huh

[little python]

i mean, i need to add mods from the internet?

or somehow from steam

[cosmic pagoda]

well yes, how else

oh steam, steam uses unity port?

[little python]

well, games like ark or gmod have workshop with mods

[little python]

idk

[cosmic pagoda]

oh it is

[pearl osprey]

If you are using the steam version (unity port) you can only get a few map packs in the add-ons page

[cosmic pagoda]

its quite buggy and changes how things should work

[pearl osprey]

Download GZDoom and get mods online if you want

[cosmic pagoda]

like sr50 as default

[pearl osprey]

GZDoom is a source port that runs all kinds of gameplay mods if you're into that sort of thing

[cosmic pagoda]

crispy doom is if you want really chunky looking goodness

or dsda/woof for easy compatibility with everything

[little python]

ok

does gzdoom have to be put somewhere special in files?

[cosmic pagoda]

no

just tell it where your iwads are

[finite crag]

gz should auto detect where your iwads are if you got doom from steam anyways

[vocal summit]

that wouldn't work

not everyone has steam set to the c: drive

[vast reef]

get gzdoom

but uhh

i'd recommend project malice and zmovement

[vast reef]

gzdoom is pretty much its own game

it just needs the doom files for the graphics and levels

[atomic spade]

Yo guys

I need help for Doom 2

I got the gamepass version, but i cant get further Industrial Zone for some reason

right after i finish the lvl it goes back to the main menu

[next aurora]

Oh

I only have doom 2 unlocked in eternal

[azure nimbus]

one of them unlocks with flynntaggart and the other opens by finding every cheat code it's a couple per level

[next aurora]

I've only unlock doom 2 but not doom 1

[azure nimbus]

is it asking for a code

if so, enter flynntaggart. if not, find all the collectable cheat codes

[next aurora]

Doom 1 I just need to find the other cheat codes

[dapper flint]

As someone who just experimented with it definitely

It's classic doom but a bit off

[slender pilot]

i just got authentic doom cds from the 90s, ran em thru dosbox and they play it like a charm

[azure nimbus]

try FW map03. It is the most creative level that I've played

[dapper flint]

On it. I was bored today

[dapper flint]

Play map 29 1000 lines 3 community project. You'll love it

Trust me

[azure nimbus]

by bridgeburner, isn't he here sometimes

[dapper flint]

He's the one that told me to play it

Guys a mastermind in high tension fights

[azure nimbus]

I don't usually play single maps from wads. I'll try finding a video of someone playing it

[dapper flint]

It's a hot start that never ends. I had so much fun

[dapper flint]

Trust me. You'll like it

[azure nimbus]

I'll keep it in mind. You're already delivering a lot of punnishment, having suggested FW in the first place

[dapper flint]

I only recommend it to you because you have alot of skill

[azure nimbus]

hopefully I can convince map03 of that

[tacit remnant]

Finally Beat Going Down map 5 today. That was brutal.

[fierce mason]

O o

[tacit remnant]

I’m kinda scared of what the later GD levels look like

[fierce mason]

Someone play classic doom on ps4?

[azure nimbus]

going down has a few tough ones here or there

[open prawn]

I heard there was an episode of "Friends" from back in the day where one of the characters asks another character if they wanted to play Doom, but I have never seen this episode before, nor do I even know if they show anyone playing it.

[open prawn]

I know there was that one episode of ER that featured Doom II prominently that Rerez talked about in their last episode of Reel Gaming.

[zenith berry]

You can grab the WAD files from it and play it on a source port…just reminding!

[halcyon willow]

Supercharge by Tango is one of the best gameplay mods going. Adds extra stuff while still maintaining the original balance. It's also been used in multiple Cacoward winning projects

[brisk trellis]

https://youtu.be/N1qQbTG6g9Y

found a funny

[slender pilot]

i know, just something feels special playing how it most originally was intended. even tho dosbox is an emulator it’s the closest thing to what it was back then. second closest would be probably chocolate doom

[azure nimbus]

"intended" and "originally released" aren't the same thing. I play relatively vanilla. cl2 when I can, or boom for my boom maps. But John Carmack even told modders that they should add freelook. Some features were not added only due to limitation, not because of some real game reason or intent. Infinite height monsters/rockets, and freelook are the main things that I know John Carmack would change given modern machines -- I say all that and play with infinite height and no freelook.

Or a more straightforward example. Doom originally ran at a rather low resolution and only 35 Hz. Did Carmack and Romero intend for the graphic fidelity to be low? Or is that just them playing to the limitations of the time. Romero recently did a playthrough of e1 and played on HD. He did some other graphics changes too. Would Carmack or Romero complain that you aren't playing the right way, as they planned, if you play in HD uncapped framerate? "intended" and original aren't the same. Especially clear for doom3 where they outright said that the flashlight being held seperate was due to a limitation which was not present in BFG. But then some people liked the original more

[finite crag]

And this is why I decided to get doom 1993 and doom 2

[brittle vector]

If yall aint seen the tweet someone ported doom 2 to a mcdonalds order kiosk

[south cargo]

Guys

İm playing doom 1

And im stuck

Can anyone help i went to pick up a blue moon or smth

[manic sonnet]

Then pick it.

[south cargo]

Can u go to screen shots chat

[manic sonnet]

Ok

[south cargo]

Like i cant get out of that place

[manic sonnet]

Use Noclip Cheat

[south cargo]

İ dont have that

[cosmic pagoda]

idclip

just type

[south cargo]

Uhhh nvm

[cosmic pagoda]

or idspispopd if pre ultimate doom

[south cargo]

İll go take shit

İll play doom 2

[manic sonnet]

@south cargo Man, you Just wasting my Time.

[vocal summit]

crispy doom

[cosmic pagoda]

Crispy is badass

[cosmic pagoda]

I am still annoyed that they had to name the 2016 one doom so now we have to use years

Could have stuck another word there if doom4 was out of the question

Also unpopular opinion: doom etetnal is the black sheep not doom 3

I think the diablo/fantasy rpg vibes clash with dooms

as does the overly elaborate lore

og doom did it well, "here's a screen of text, that most people wont read, now get out there and shoot some demons"

[azure nimbus]

just don't pay attention to the lore

[twilit rock]

I know i hate it

[twilit rock]

Exactly why is doom now some dumb "You are the chosen one you have to go on a crusade to slay the demon society with your broadsword" thing its so stupid

[cosmic pagoda]

yes

any of the iwads basically skip any lore, its just a title screen and when you hit new game you are there with a gun andthere it is

only lore you get is in the manual and between episodes

[vast reef]

yes

it's more quake than doom in terms of gameplay

and the lore is all over the place

2016's was fine but eternal's is just goofy, and not even in the tongue-in-cheek way

[dapper flint]

I think eternals tone suits it fine. But it's definitely more eof a mix of classic and quake

[tacit remnant]

Yeah I genuinely don’t understand the complaints about Eternal being too cartoonish. It literally uses 3D model versions of classic Doom demons for most of the designs.

As for overall tone, Doom has always had a very “B movie” vibe with story stuff

[open prawn]

I agree on Dosbox. That is my preferred way to play when playing it on a PC.

[azure nimbus]

@south cargo the pillar attatched to the wall lowers when pressed. from the screenshot, slightly left of the bars. this is e1m6 if I'm decyphering the screenshot right. btw, the "blue moon" is called a supercharge or sometimes a soulphere. It adds 100 health(your health maxes at 200)

[dapper flint]

It's just a doom community thing. They eventually hate on the games they love

[azure nimbus]

oh btw if you try FW03, let me know if you can find a way to consistently spawn the supercharge. it seems to skip the linedef in its TP closet off the map

[dapper flint]

Have you tried map 29 1000 lines 3 yet

[azure nimbus]

I have not

[dapper flint]

Give it a go. You're going to love it

[cosmic pagoda]

yeah that "oh we are an rpg now, upgrade things and swordfight demons" clashes

[twilit rock]

it's not "cartoonish" (well maybe but i like that about it) it's just stupidly trying to be some dumb epic fantasy rpg which is just..not doom

[pearl osprey]

DE's gameplay is a lot more like quake than doom imo, but the aesthetics are definitely closer to classic doom compared to doom 3 or 2016

[vast reef]

i'm fine with the eternal demon designs and stuff

i think they look nice

[vast reef]

this says it perfectly

[finite crag]

found a cheat code on pc IDKFA

give everything in game

[proud pilot]

yeah that's been around since 93

[pearl osprey]

what an achievement

[proud pilot]

it's fun to find stuff like that though

[finite crag]

ohh hahah

yeah

[proud pilot]

kinda like the feeling of finding secrets
like, other people have found em and it's been documented but there's something uniquely special about getting there on your own

[twilit rock]

Looking up where the secrets are defeats the point of them being secret I agree

[vast reef]

i look up the secrets when i give up

[proud pilot]

fond memories of my absolute astonishment when i fired a stray round in the maze in e1m2 and the wall opened

that was when i was REAL new to doom

and still playing on the dosbox on windows93.net god bless

[tacit remnant]

I also don’t understand the “epic fantasy RPG” thing. Modern video games tend to have lore bits and upgrade systems. Heck, Doom 3 has lore bits in the form of many many emails. It’s fine to not enjoy modern Doom but I think it’s a bit disingenuous to act like they betray what the essence of classic Doom in fundamental ways. Oh before anyone mentions the dragon bit, that was a 30 second clip of a skippable cutscene, not a major section of the game

[vast reef]

no i'm fine with lore bits and upgrade systems

but the lore isn't that good imo

[azure nimbus]

simply skip thelore then

[vast reef]

yep

[tacit remnant]

Yeah I skip out on the lore too

[twilit rock]

I don't mind lore in and of itself

The problem is A. people seem to care more about the lore than the actual gameplay now and B. the lore fucking sucks

Seeing doomguy with a fucking broadsword is so fucking stupid too, looks like darksiders fan art

I just really don't like the direction they took it

I didn't love doom 4 but the lore was the least of my problems

[azure nimbus]

I've played thousands of hours of DE and have no clue what you're talking about with a broadsword

[pearl osprey]

I think the modern games are almost reach perfection and are just as fun as classic doom

But their lack of a proper level editor and mod support make them unappealing to replay

You can play endless megawads or mods with classic doom

[twilit rock]

It's literally the cover art 😭

[azure nimbus]

of what? I'm looking it up and can't find anything like that

[pearl osprey]

The blade?

[twilit rock]

It's the cover art of the soundtrack

Its like the first thing that pops up when you just type "doom eternal"

[azure nimbus]

oh the crucible

well crucible is bad cuz game design reasons, not just it being camp

[twilit rock]

"It's the slayer's sword from his time as a night sentinel" What the fuck happened to doom 😭

Game of thrones ass lore

[azure nimbus]

I will admit that the venn(technically Euler) diagram of people interested in lore and people who play obsessively seems to be separate\ circles

[pearl osprey]

I like both

[twilit rock]

"The slayer testaments" 🤓 Ugh

I try not to just hatepost about eternal

But it's so hard

[azure nimbus]

There is a lot wrong with the game, mostly overpowered tools. But with effort(banning them), you can make the game fun(chaingun shield...)

[dapper flint]

I like the lore and I've been playing doom since a kid so a definition like that doesn't really fit

[warm storm]

i beat doom 1 for the first time.... on the eternal pc easter egg thing

i mean ive been playing a long time before then like a LONG time but i just suck and get lost so yeah never beat it till now

[tacit remnant]

Having issue with the Crucible is completely fair, but I think it’s pretty minor. I don’t know why it’s even on the box considering it’s mostly a macguffin of the game’s 3rd act. I think the story is kinda fun just from how insane it is but I mostly care about Eternal’s combat

[azure nimbus]

same issue as the hammer for me. they're OP as h*ck

[cosmic pagoda]

IDSPISPOPD is the cheatcode of connoiseurs

[slim willow]

IDCLIP is the Walmart brand code

[azure nimbus]

"clipping like I please"

[finite crag]

Yea

[rustic elbow]

Why do you hate Eternal?

I think the lore is beautiful and took the franchise in a new and refreshing direction.

And the thought of Doomguy and the Doom Slayer being the same guy makes it even more badass.

I will say I wish the Sentinel and Makyr stuff looked a little more idk…biblical or something?

Like I think biblically accurate angel like creatures would fit doom perfectly.

[cosmic pagoda]

the lore is kinda cringe, both because its there and especially because its contents

also the rpg elements are not what doom needed

[rustic elbow]

I mean but that’s where they took it. I like that each Doom game is different and brings something new to the table.

I also think the lore with the demons is awesome in Eternal. Specifically with the gladiator in Eternal being what looks like a Hell knight from the original games.

It seems hell has different variations of demons.

Or the original hell knight was wiped out and a new thing filled it’s role.

I like lore like that.

[cosmic pagoda]

also eternal feels like a damn mario or spiderman game

whats with the platforming

[rustic elbow]

I think the platforming was a nice addition

[cosmic pagoda]

like nobody likes platforming in doom or fps games in general, why build the game around it

if I want parkour I'll go play mirrors edge

[twilit rock]

Also the rpg elements and the games as a service limited time skins and other dumb shit as well but that's not the main reason

[rustic elbow]

Because that’s what the developers wanted to do 🧍🏾‍♂️

[twilit rock]

Good for them but I reserve the right to call it stupid

[serene viper]

Hes still a pissed off dude he hasnt changed his personality

[twilit rock]

Also unrelated but I like your profile picture rotisary

[twilit rock]

No he's no longer a regular guy, now he's like some """gigachad""" (hate this word)

[serene viper]

Yeah honestly i have no problem with it, nor most people do

If you dont like it, then alright, you dont need to like it

[rustic elbow]

I actually think the slayer testaments are awesome as fuck. Doomguy, the only guy to cripple hell multiple times throughout 3 games, came to another world and was the only one who could stop them.

[twilit rock]

There are deep seated reasons why I don't like the modern doom slayer design but they're somewhat political or at least possibly inflammatory so i wont say them

[rustic elbow]

It makes sense to me.

[cosmic pagoda]

dont take it as an insult, but you seem way too easy to impress

[rustic elbow]

I just love the lore and what they did to Doomguy.

[serene viper]

Nah he just likes the plot and the modern series

doesnt mean hes easy to impress

[twilit rock]

yeah

[serene viper]

You dont even know him to begin with

[twilit rock]

i don't really like that tbh it comes off kind of weird

[serene viper]

like what

[twilit rock]

saying "you seem too easy to impress"

[serene viper]

Ah that

[rustic elbow]

Also, I love how the original doom suit looked in Eternal. This beat up, tore up, kind of look.

[cosmic pagoda]

I dont, however in online interactions, you base your opinions on observations you can make

[rustic elbow]

It was ported perfectly to 3D.

[twilit rock]

Idk what suit you're talking about but I hate the default eternal suit

[serene viper]

Its called first impressions in which it heavily depends on what view you take

[cosmic pagoda]

thats another thing, graphically eternal looks nice

[serene viper]

does not mean what you assume its true

[twilit rock]

The doom 4 suit wasn't the best but it was alright, the eternal suit looks awful though

[cosmic pagoda]

certainly, however I preceded my observation with a statement to not take it in a wrong way

[serene viper]

Dude were all chill until some hardcore doom eternal fans come here

[rustic elbow]

The classic Doomguy suit?

The doom 1/2 one???

[serene viper]

Metalblade be careful 💀

[twilit rock]

I didnt know there was one i'm talking about the new suit they made for eternal the one on the cover

I have not played eternal so i didnt know they had a classic suit

[rustic elbow]

Oh yeah I agree I prefer the 2016 one.

But I prefer the simplistic 90s look of the classic suit over the 2016 one.

[twilit rock]

Oh no i just looked up the classic suit for eternal it looks good

The original doom suit from 1993 is my favorite as well

[serene viper]

yeah uh theres a lot of skins

A lot

[rustic elbow]

First thing I did when I bought Eternal was get the 1993 suit.

[cosmic pagoda]

eh I dont care about the suit in any of em

[twilit rock]

I wish they put the classic skin doomguy on all the eternal promotion instead of that terrible new suit

[cosmic pagoda]

howeveer eternal lore tries too hard and also tries to become diablo in the future

[rustic elbow]

Same tbh.

The classic suit is amazing.

[cosmic pagoda]

and still whether the lore is good or there is not even why eternal sucks

[rustic elbow]

Oh also, did you guys know that the 1993 doom poster is canon? Because if you look at Doomguys left arm in Eternal he has nail marks from the Barron of Hell.

[cosmic pagoda]

its because of all the platforming and all the upgrading and all that stuff

[rustic elbow]

Tbh, I like the upgrading in eternal more than 2016.

2016 was confusing.

[cosmic pagoda]

canon
as if doom was a story driven game before eternal

[rustic elbow]

I mean it technically was.

Doom 1,2, and 64 have an overarching story.

[twilit rock]

Doom³

[rustic elbow]

Which I love that Eternal connected too.

[cosmic pagoda]

aside from a passage in the manual and 2 screens of text and an end screen, no it wasnt

[twilit rock]

I mean doom has never been story driven but its always had a story

[cosmic pagoda]

oh yeah fair, forgot that existed

still oodles nicer than eternal

[rustic elbow]

I will say though I feel bad for Doomguy.

[cosmic pagoda]

2016 is fine tho, I wish they kept the gameplay similiar

[rustic elbow]

He’s been fighting demons without a break for decades.

[twilit rock]

Doom 4 is fine but it's too slow and the gunplay doesn't feel quite right

[slim willow]

doom 3 wasnt really story driven either though. it had cutscenes but it wasnt even remotely as bad as eternal in that regard

[serene viper]

Million of years at this point

[rustic elbow]

Wait, Doom 4???

2016?

[serene viper]

(doom 2016)

[twilit rock]

Yeah

[rustic elbow]

Oh.

[slim willow]

2016 isnt slow

[rustic elbow]

I still consider Doom 64 Doom 3.

[azure nimbus]

the platforming is easy compared to classic platforming

[twilit rock]

It isn't slow but it's slower than i'd like it to be

[rustic elbow]

Yep

[twilit rock]

From what i hear eternal fixed that which is welcome

[rustic elbow]

Eternal is extremely fast

[serene viper]

Dude you know nothing about eternal, its way and i mean way faster

Best combat and gameplay in the series for me

[slim willow]

but we could go faster

[twilit rock]

Too slow too easy and too expansive were my main 3 complaints of doom 4

[rustic elbow]

I had a hard time playing Eternal at first because of how fast it was 💀

[azure nimbus]

expansive? Wasn't that long of a campaign

5, 6 hours total isn't too lengthy

[slim willow]

you wouldnt like doom 3 very much it seems

[serene viper]

It takes more the first time, but after a few tries, it takes a day or less

[rustic elbow]

I agree. Eternals combat is peak doom imo.

[twilit rock]

Expansive in terms of the maps felt huge with not as much demons to populate them

[rustic elbow]

I’d love to see Doom 1/2 remade with Eternals combat.

[serene viper]

Like holy shit you feel like youre some sort of a god killing minions

[twilit rock]

I prefer doom³ to doom 4 it's my 4th favorite doom game

[azure nimbus]

well they did that (classic levels in the new engine) in doom2016 and it was novel but honestly not fun. The balance just isn't there

[rustic elbow]

It’s such an adrenaline rush.

[slim willow]

:)

[azure nimbus]

I still gotta get all of the d3 achievements. Just...wow getting every pda or whatever will take a long time

[twilit rock]

Yeah the classic maps was a fun concept but definitely felt weird

[serene viper]

Metalblade i highly recommend you to try doom eternal its a masterpiece of a game, maybe take a look into lore more and you will see that the lore parts mix up, like a puzzle

[twilit rock]

I'm currently playing through the apple II catacombs games but when i'm done i might return to doom 4 and see if my opinion has changed

[twilit rock]

I'll eventually try it out but I need better hardware

[rustic elbow]

I don’t consider doom³…Doom 3. I consider 64 Doom 3. I think I said this already.

[cosmic pagoda]

also I dislike that the newest 2 are kind of serious sam in disguise

[serene viper]

Thats one issue i have too, i dont have bad fps but i have drops quite often

[pearl osprey]

Serious sam is nothing like eternal it's a lot more like quake

[serene viper]

Unlike doom 2016, where i never once had less than 60 fps

[azure nimbus]

yeah realistically speaking, they don't have to be in the doom franchise. They could easily be "shooter where you kill monsters".

[twilit rock]

I mean technically it isn't the third doom game, so you're correct. But the official title is doom³ and calling it doom 5 would just be confusing

[slim willow]

Doom 3 is mostly its own thing. And 64 is a sequel to 2. Checks out.

[serene viper]

wish they kept the same gen

I dont think final doom is cannon

[rustic elbow]

How I consider the games is, Doom 1 and 2, Doom 64 (Doom 3), Doom 4 (2016), and Doom 5 (Eternal).

[slim willow]

final doom's placement in the timeline is very debated upon. im not sure it really happened

[cosmic pagoda]

also what was cool about 1 and 3, was they were essentially carmacks tech demos with lore added as afterthought

[azure nimbus]

If you go with everything sold, it's hard to say: doom, doom2, Udoom, both halves of final doom, maximum doom, the master levels, doom64, and let's not forget psx doom and various ports of the classics that changed levels so technically it's original commercial content, doom3, doom2016, DE, and then...TECHNICALLY, Ancient gods 1 and ancient gods 2 are in fact sold independently -- oh and NRFTL

[twilit rock]

Canon or not it's still a game

Like the final fantasy games dont connect story wise but we number them

[serene viper]

Yeah and its called 64 because the title is 64

[cosmic pagoda]

this, a thing ebing canon or not makes sense in story driven games

[rustic elbow]

Lol

[serene viper]

God why did they name everything with 64 at that time

[slim willow]

because yes

[serene viper]

mario 64, doom 64, sonic 64

[twilit rock]

I go by official titles unless official titles are confusing or dumb

[slim willow]

Sonic wasn't on n64

[twilit rock]

I'm not gonna just call it "doom", and doom 4 sounds way better than doom (2016)

[serene viper]

I know it was a joke

Point is, a lot of games with 64

[rustic elbow]

Isn’t Doomguy extremely mentally ill canonically?

[slim willow]

well yes but technically yes

[cosmic pagoda]

doomguy "canonically" is a blank slate

just a nameless marine

[azure nimbus]

His name is doomguy2

[slim willow]

the guy lost everything and it was all because he refused to kill innocents. this is canon

[azure nimbus]

his nickname is Mr final ultimate

[slim willow]

yes

source: made it the fuck up

[rustic elbow]

Which I love tbh

It seems like he’s always put others lives before his.

[slim willow]

they did fuck up killing the rabbit though

dumbest mistake made by hell

[azure nimbus]

Doom2 takes place in 2024 February 29th

[rustic elbow]

Yeah which is scary

[azure nimbus]

I'm a lore guy now. Lore is just whatever I make up

[rustic elbow]

Also

[slim willow]

I've read the PC manuals. 🤓

[azure nimbus]

Which is just as valid as whatever nonsense was made up by the SNES port team

[rustic elbow]

Can’t we just call Doomguy Blazkowicz?

[azure nimbus]

His name is Castle Wolfenstein

[cosmic pagoda]

hey, my birthday is february 30

[serene viper]

You arent that guy man, you arent Romero

[rustic elbow]

I mean John Romero did say he was Keens grandson.

[azure nimbus]

It's an intentionally hard secret trust me bro

[cosmic pagoda]

oh wait 2024 is a leap year

nvm the joke wont work then

[rustic elbow]

So whooping ass runs in the bloodline it seems.

[serene viper]

Shh you can tell me i will keep it secure

[twilit rock]

fire game

[serene viper]

Hell i can talk quietly if its needed

[slim willow]

them writing whatever the fuck they want in old game manuals for no reason just because they can

[azure nimbus]

I'm referencing the broken secret in doom2 map15 with the pain elemental. Romero later tweeted that zeromaster's method of getting a PE to help him clip into the ground was intended

[twilit rock]

American NES manuals for famicom games are the worst for this

[slim willow]

they just... didnt translate the actual story

[twilit rock]

Translators just making up whatever shit they want

[twilit rock]

Lmao no way

[twilit rock]

Keen is bjs grandson and doomguy is keens grandson yes

[slim willow]

some 80s and 90s games even change the stories in game

in us ristar you're stopping the bad guys and saving your dad

in japan ristar there isnt even a dad character at all. this never happened

[azure nimbus]

https://twitter.com/romero/status/1035610814181462017

𝕵𝖔𝖍𝖓 𝕽𝖔𝖒𝖊𝖗𝖔 (@romero)

@olafurw Of course. Now DOOM 2 honorific titles have to be thought about again. The challenge begins again. #doom

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Twitter · Aug 31, 2018, 7:30 PM

[rustic elbow]

Which is awesome

See this is why I love Doom lore.

[slim willow]

cant wait for romero to put a secret like this in sigil 2

[rustic elbow]

It’s peak fiction.

[azure nimbus]

that would actually be p clever. It is weird that archvile jumps are normalized but this PE thing isn't. The PE secrets in d2map15 and plutonia's "bunker"(I think 26?) are not required for max runs

[slim willow]

the infamous director saying whatever the fuck they want. hugo could come on and say doom slayer has 7 toes on his left foot and honestly what are we gonna do?

[cosmic pagoda]

can you make a sector trigger things like a linefef?

aside from secrets

[azure nimbus]

I think we all love John Romero, and it is fun when he's cheeky about the game saying stuff like that, same for Hugo. But I wish we could look at media or art as the work it is. It isn't gospel to which it can be ammended by an author. It just exists

[azure nimbus]

what do you mean? If you tag a line with a trigger and a tag, you can have it do stuff yeah. And if you give a sector 9 tag, it'll have a secret

[cosmic pagoda]

yeah but I meant like make the PE trick open a door

IIRC you cant

[azure nimbus]

I'm not sure. Walkover linedefs, I think don't require you to be on the ground? Secret sectors do though. And that's the difference

[cosmic pagoda]

but would be amazing

[azure nimbus]

maybe you could finnagle it to put the thing you want very close to a TP and see if it works

[pearl osprey]

Only in UDMF format not in vanilla/boom

[cosmic pagoda]

thats an idea

[cosmic pagoda]

eh sad, otherwise could do some sinister hiding of a megasphere like that

[finite crag]

this game was my all time favorite

[open prawn]

I love listening to this guy’s voice and I don’t know why:

https://youtu.be/8L7v3vRA65E

[twilit rock]

Decino is very relaxing

[open prawn]

True

[cosmic pagoda]

he is, but its doom so for presleep listening, he's not the best, and you wanna see too

for presleep I listen to drachinifel talk about naval history

[vast reef]

no

doom eternal's lore isn't that bad, but it feels like i wrote it

which isn't a compliment

2016's is good enough imo

[azure nimbus]

I liked with Mr Doom put the heck demon into the eternity pit at area 51 in doom eternal

[azure nimbus]

just watched a video on installing the game for dos/dosbox and how to do the setup and install it...I would not have figured this out in the 90s. It was hard enough for me to extract from the zip file. Modern launchers are great

[pearl osprey]

It's kinda cool how the process is exactly the same as today except there is no GUI

[azure nimbus]

I might be switching sides to boom dump, gz good. Literally for the single reason that there is a soulsphere in fractured worlds map03 that sometimes doesn't spawn in. There is a conveyer out of bounds that is supposed to carry it over a TP linedef but it does a linedef skip half the time. I'm pretty sure that gzdoom could simply spawn the thing into existence

[dull snow]

Nope

Actually more teleporter closets break in gzdoom because of its line activation code

You'd also have to write an acs code to do that

Boom is intended port for Fractured Worlds, report the issue to the devs

[azure nimbus]

ok then boom is still king. Yeah I'm using boom. I'm playing cl9. I've only ever played gzdoom for 4 or 5 levels. mostly boom and vanilla on fully compatable ports

[pearl osprey]

Maybe the conveyor is too fast, I personally never had problems with conveyors and teleporting monsters in my maps

[azure nimbus]

it's a teleporting supercharge. Maybe hitboxes are weird? but yeah the conveyer is pretty quick

[finite crag]

Hot take: doom 2 is kinda bad not gonna lie, the maps in doom 1 are a lot lot better

[twilit rock]

most people agree with you

[rustic elbow]

Yes.

I stand by what I say.

Doom Eternal enhanced the older games imo.

Now we know the Doom 1/2 Hell Knights were used in gladiator matches 😃

[azure nimbus]

the doom 1 hell knight

[rustic elbow]

Yep

If you look at the doom eternal gladiator boss it’s a classic Hell Knight.

So I believe the original ones went extinct in the sentinel war.

[serene viper]

Its a theory, may be true, maybe not

[rustic elbow]

It makes sense though.

And I even recall Hugo saying there are different types of demons.

So who’s to say Doomguy didn’t finish off the classic demons in his crusade with the sentinels.

[dapper flint]

Lol doom 1 hellknights are op hey

[hexed escarp]

Why does everyone hate the doom fandom page so much

[pearl osprey]

it's usually has the same pages copied straight from the doomwiki

and it's existence is kind of pointless, why use Fandom when you already have a dedicated wiki

[dapper flint]

Lots of wrong information it makes me cringe

I think last time I went there there was an article on a secret ssg in 2016 that doesn't exist

[vast reef]

doom eternal is so incredibly far from peak fiction my man

imo peak fiction is stephen king's stuff

but in video games, hmmm

[dapper flint]

Yeah dude we were all created by a giant turtle. Peak fiction

[vast reef]

lol

[vocal summit]

i got vega'd by posting a doomwiki link

https://doomwiki.org/

ok fuck the www i guess

[vast reef]

the only thing i like about doom eternal's lore is that you get more characters to make fanart of

also i should clarify that i am in no way saying doom eternal is bad

after all, i haven't played it

[hexed escarp]

Is sigil 2 gonna be an episode 6 for ultimate doom or is it just a replacement episode 5

[pearl osprey]

I think it's for doom 2

[vocal summit]

if you have any opinion about doom eternal in this server that isn't "it's the best game ever", you're prone to getting teared apart in #doom-eternal

i got pings for literally 2 days because i said i didn't like the chainsaw

[open prawn]

https://youtu.be/dQ7TCGzS29w

[vocal summit]

#690991771039039498

[hexed escarp]

Oh, ok

I think it would be cool if romero or someone made a doom 1 episode 6 to finish off the second trilogy of episodes

[azure nimbus]

what's your favorite hell knight usage in doom1? I think they're used better in doom2, even if rarely placed

[twilit rock]

"Doom eternal is peak fiction" 😭😭😭😭

Doom eternal isn't even peak doom

[twilit rock]

i am 💪

[dapper flint]

If you think one of the best fps games ever made is bad no one is going to take your opinions seriously

[pearl osprey]

Yes tbh, whether you like it or not DE and Doom 2016 was revolutionary

[azure nimbus]

game bad cuz floating key. level bad cuz arrow :(

[finite crag]

Is this where I can find all the people that believe software rendering and keyboard only is the way to go?

[azure nimbus]

I play controller and so does gougaru. so some purists. is software the "annoying purist" way to go? It looks better than opengl, at least usually. It just runs slower but depends on preference and wad. The game supported mouse and key from the beginning. Some people didn't...realize... but it was there originally. (I will cop to always playing on an engine that is as compatible as possible and not liking brutal doom).

[pearl osprey]

There are a few hardcore purist here but they are a loud minority

[finite crag]

One of my friends is a purist but not by choice, his PC can't do hardware rendering

Poor soul :(

[azure nimbus]

I don't think I've met anyone, youtube or discord who insists that everyone ought to only play dosbox no mouselook and all that. Even the people who play like that -- even people who say it's nostalgic, or that it's worth a try.

[vocal summit]

i've only ever seen one person here that thinks software rendering is the way to go

[pearl osprey]

#classic-doom message

[finite crag]

Oh I did try, i hated every second of not using a mouse

Software rendering is fine, keyboard only is just plain evil

[vocal summit]

i love how some people insist that mouse and keyboard is the only way to play doom, even when the demos were recorded using a mouse

[azure nimbus]

maybe people in youtube comments. people here usually know a lil more

[slim willow]

I think no mouse Doom is fine if you configure the controls right in setup.exe. However we have ways to play with a mouse without the awful vertical movement. Don't really see a reason not to do this.

You can play dos doom with WASD + mouse and it's great.

[vocal summit]

crispy doom 🤤

[slim willow]

yeah

[rustic elbow]

Doom 2.

[rustic elbow]

I heavily disagree.

I thing Doom Eternal is the best representation of how a doom game should be.

[finite crag]

There's no hell knights in doom 1

[rustic elbow]

Gameplay, story is debatable, and aesthetic wise.

[rustic elbow]

I didn’t even see you responded until I scrolled up. I think it’s peak fiction for a video game.

[tacit remnant]

My favorite use of Hell Knights so far is Late Scythe.

[azure nimbus]

#classic-doom message || I know||

[hexed escarp]

Is eternity engine basically just if mbf had a bunch of zdoom features?

[azure nimbus]

the main selling point is the special portals that fake room over room

[hexed escarp]

Doesn't zdoom have portals as well?

[pearl osprey]

Eternity is basically a regular vanilla/boom/mbf engine that has UDMF map format support

Although that doesn't mean it can run all ZDoom mods

because it doesn't have DECORATE or Zscript or any advanced scripting language

[azure nimbus]

the best...really only...demo that I know of for Eternity is Heartland. I'd like to see more sets use Eternity's features but so far, I'd play everything else on another vanilla/boom/mbf/mbf21 port or gz

[pearl osprey]

• it does actually have ACS but that isn't enough by itself most of the time

[fierce mason]

Hi

[tough matrix]

Hey man

[vast reef]

also

[atomic wigeon]

i have never had such a rush beating a level like go 2 it

jesus

[manic sonnet]

Thanks for the Tips

[dapper flint]

How dare you

I played a gz for a bit. It's just off in my opinion. The aesthetic and feel. Eternity is definitely my go 2 these days. Just feels cozy

[azure nimbus]

Something about the renderer feels off. It might be OpenGL? I have no idea. Really my main issue is lacking kill count. I'm also not 100 % sure that it's vanilla compat

[vast reef]

eternity is accepted in speedruns, so i think it's vanilla compat

also i can sort of see how it looks off now that you mention it

it looks a little off but it's still leagues better than hardware renderer gzdoom

[dapper flint]

That's being updated now and it's been solved like 9 days ago

[dapper flint]

Absolutely. But I was saying gz looks off. Eternity looks chonk in my opinion and I love that

[open prawn]

So I am trying to 100% everything on my playthrough of the Switch ports of Doom I and II and in the former on E1M5, there is this one item I cannot find for the life of me. I checked the entire map, and even used the full map cheat so I could make sure I didn't miss any area, and I can't find it! Is it the computer area map? Because I can't pick it up being that I used the map cheat. So do I have to start all over if that's the case??

Seriously, if it isn't the computer area map, then where is the last item? I checked every nook and cranny and I can't find it!

I've been playing the map for more than a half an hour trying to find the last item I need to get 100% everything!

And the Wiki wasn't of much help on item locations either.

Just listed what items can be found at the level, doesn't show where on the map they are.

[fathom oxide]

i'm currently on E2M5

[open prawn]

I cleared all the enemies, found all the secret areas, but I can't find this stupid item.

[low ore]

do you guys know any slaughtery megawad that's kinda new? I wanna play something with the new god complex

[finite crag]

Got Quake bro @dapper flint

[low ore]

or doesn't even have to be slaughtery, just something "vanilla" so I can use mods on it

oh, guess I'm playing 1000 lines 3

[dapper juniper]

Hey guys what's up?

Have we any word if they ever gonna change the nightmare coop achievement/trophy requirements for Doom 1 and 2? It's so bad since the last update. Kinda unfair cause i don't have anyone to play with locally and soloing coop on D2 nightmare is almost impossible.

[azure nimbus]

doom2 barely adds any more monsters for coop. It is very possible, especially if you abuse the respawn feature. the hardest level in easily 29. consider bringing a bfg and 600 cells and a mega from map28

[azure nimbus]

is there a final doom map where I can see the buggy teleports? I've never noticed it

[sinful tulip]

no rest for the living draining me

why these maps so big tho

imma play like 1 level a month

[dapper flint]

Nice

[low ore]

can you changemap between different chapters?

[azure nimbus]

I'm not 100 % sure what chapter means but you can change level during gameplay by typing "idclev" and then the number of the map you want. So episode 2, map 3 is idclev23. Or in doom2, just the level number. So underhalls, map02, is done with idclev02. On a launcher, you can just enter the map in the selection, or without a launcher just the command line, entering -warp <episode> <map> for doom1 or -warp <map> (proceeding 0 for the first 9 doesn't matter for this command)

[low ore]

yeah I mean like that

I didn't know if command works between episodes or only within it

thanks