classic-doom

[sly oasis]

Almost not having fun anymore.

[tacit remnant]

The Master Levels of Doom 2 are generally hated

[sly oasis]

Think I've got like one or two more to go before I'm finally done, but I'll be happy to be done. Used to search for all the secrets, but after the last few maps I was like fuck that, moving on.

Next up, No Rest for the Living, then TNT and Plutonia.

Then I can finally say I played all of classic Doom after all these years.

[dapper flint]

Ah! Digging it so far man

There's a wad you might enjoy when you're ready

[azure nimbus]

we'll see if I am cuz the baron room is really giving me a hard tme. even with extra cells(from an AVJ) I don't have enough ammo or space

[dapper flint]

Well the wads called fractured worlds. I think you'll dig it too

[azure nimbus]

don't think it's on the wiki. will I just have to noclip + iddt if I can't find a secret?

[dapper flint]

Hold on

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/125253-fractured-worlds-final-releaseidgames/

@azure nimbus

I really like it. Very challenging so I think you will too

[azure nimbus]

I found the download. I'm justs a lil worried that I'll be stuck if I can't find a secret

[dapper flint]

The secrets are pretty easy to find but yeah. I usually do that anyways before a recorded run if I can't find them

[dapper flint]

Are you playing hurt me or UV ?

[azure nimbus]

I haven't downloaded the thing yet but I would try for UV

if you mean for sunlust, I've been doing uvmax pistol start

[dapper flint]

Yeah same. It's recommended first time hurt me but my pride lol

No fractured

https://imgur.com/a/JFtuTCw

20 Mins is way to long. I want to try to cut that down

I couldnr find the secrets though

One secret is necessary though for 100 percent kills

[azure nimbus]

it looks like you found them. the secreen says 100%

[dapper flint]

During my blind run I couldn't

Then I just no clipped

[azure nimbus]

maybe I should do god machine on coop monsters. monster spawns seem almost identical but I get more megas

[dapper flint]

Damn! You should! I love uv plus haha

[azure nimbus]

watched a video on psx doom. that thing is cursed omg

[dapper flint]

Personally I just want it for my collection haha

[hexed escarp]

is plutonia 2 vanilla compatible?

[dapper flint]

Yeah

[hexed escarp]

cool!

lmao i wonder if it would even be feasible to beat at 35fps and og resolution

[azure nimbus]

why not? Remember to use cl4

[hexed escarp]

nah im not good enough to play that yet lol, i will try it once i am tho

[hexed escarp]

why are the muzzle flashes for the weapons on a different texture

[vivid vine]

You mean sprite?

[hexed escarp]

yeah

[lethal dawn]

bread elemental

[hasty sinew]

[lethal dawn]

[hasty sinew]

[lethal dawn]

I'm playing Doom 3 RoE

The Xbox One version

[azure nimbus]

#doom-3

[hexed escarp]

ive heard people say that doom is stretched vertically, but when i play in chocolate doom, the pixels are square

when designing textures, do i want to design them squished so that when it gets stretched vertically, it looks correct?

[azure nimbus]

https://doom.fandom.com/wiki/Aspect_ratio maybe this'll help?

[vocal summit]

doom fandom

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Aspect_ratio

[azure nimbus]

tru

[dapper flint]

[slim willow]

"aspect ratios dont matter" 🤓

[hexed escarp]

oh thats so annoying

does slade automatically scale the textures when you convert them to doom format?

because ive imported some textures, and they look normal/not messed up

when designing textures, do i want to make them be squished?

so that when it gets stretched back out it looks normal?

[slim willow]

you can see what they look like scaled in slade itself

[hexed escarp]

ok

if i have a bunch of textures from another game, and i want my wad to have a custom palette that works with those textures

is there a way i can feed some program all of the textures and have it generate a good palette?

[hexed escarp]

how do i convert an mp3/wav sound effect to the doom format

[torpid dew]

Yo i ported doom to the GameBiy dmg

[blissful wind]

[pearl osprey]

You ported it or you installed it?

[pearl osprey]

Maybe slade can?

[hexed escarp]

The option doesn’t show up for that

And I saw some forums posts that said you have to convert it to a specific type of wav file and I did exactly what that said and still no dice

[zenith berry]

If I have to elaborately list every single stuff that can run DOOM…it’ll become a book.

[hexed escarp]

is it possible in mbf or lower to change the amount of damage the hitscan weapons do (pistol and chaingun) with dehacked?

ik how to change the rate of fire, i just want to know if i can change the damage

[sinful tulip]

can discord run doom

[finite crag]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/971148738003349535/988493146944065576/Image_003.png?width=937&height=584

guess what WAD and map it is

[proud pilot]

how do you have image perms

[finite crag]

simple
you use imgur

[finite crag]

you use discord and share discord link to images

[limber rivet]

doom 1 episode 2

[finite crag]

missed 🙂

[limber rivet]

doom 1 episode 4

[finite crag]

anyone else has second guesses?

it’s very easy btw 🙂

[finite crag]

not even close, lol

[ornate vortex]

Factory doom II

[finite crag]

correct

[ornate vortex]

Funny enough, it's my least favourite doom II level

[azure nimbus]

try it on NM. one of the d2 levels helped by NM. normally it's super slow and boring. NM at least forces you to keep up the pace a lil bit

[finite crag]

not a big fan either, but that room is freaking insane

[ornate vortex]

with all the cacos?

[finite crag]

nope, just the "Exit" fragment with teleport

[ornate vortex]

The caco room is a pain in the ass

[finite crag]

agree, you can't shoot them effectively with whichever weapon

[dapper flint]

https://imgur.com/a/5Mtm6uM

This wads a blast. Really recommend

[finite crag]

«meanwhile in russia» ?

[ornate vortex]

I recommend Rush.wad

it's actually my personal favourite

[dapper flint]

I have a new favorite every other day haha

[ornate vortex]

Slaughter maps are my sort of thing

Rush classifies for the category

[dapper flint]

Apparently this gets to slaughter. It had a slaughter warning when choosing UV. It's called 1000 lines community project 3

But yeah. Love a good slaughter map

[wispy cloud]

what's it called?

[dapper flint]

1000 lines 3 community project

[halcyon willow]

heh, thought i recognised that

[azure nimbus]

https://youtu.be/2toXLbeLsbQ God Machine woo

[dapper flint]

Did you do any work on it bro ??

[dapper flint]

Well done !

[halcyon willow]

I've got a map in every 1k lines release (and helped liberation run the project)

[dapper flint]

You legend! Love it so far. The midis and vibe.. the assault rifle balance and swapping. It's really amazing. Well done as always bro

[celest sail]

Bruh, you can play 1993 doom on phone

[vocal summit]

you haven't seen anything yet https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/694870947295002658/982620144159305728/Screenshot_2022-06-04-09-21-18-289_com.opentouchgaming.deltatouch.jpg

[slim willow]

[halcyon willow]

Let me know when you get to map 29 😉

[dapper flint]

I will hahaha

[hasty sinew]

[wispy cloud]

Thanks man

[vocal summit]

can i get custom wads on the doom mobile port?

i know the wads are stored in Android/data/com.bethsoft.doom/files/WADs

[hexed escarp]

is the last third of doom 2 worth suffering through the awful city levels for?

[slim willow]

if you hate doom 2 by like map 14 you will not like the rest of it

it has higher points but doom 2 is doom 2

[dapper flint]

Eventually the doom 2 chonk grows on you

[limber mirage]

How’s age of hell coming along?

[halcyon willow]

Ticking away with slow steady progress. Making thicc and girthy lifts

[limber mirage]

It’s beautiful

Well its certainly a day 1 for me. Keep up the nice work

[wispy cloud]

yo what're some wads i should play with project brutality/brutal doom?

have played hell on earth

[hexed escarp]

14 was actually really fun, i just despised 13 and im stuck on 15 and i dont like it

everything else was fine

[halcyon willow]

❤️

[slim willow]

i like 15 though

that D_RUNNI2

[hexed escarp]

yeah idk i just find it very tedious

so i started playing plutonia instead

[slim willow]

ah yes the best commercial wad

[vocal summit]

plutonia is worse

TNT fucks, play that instead

[azure nimbus]

breh

[slim willow]

TNT is a boring mess

[vocal summit]

-solonet

[slim willow]

you scared of the archies?

[azure nimbus]

tnt isn't even affected by -nomonsters

[slim willow]

ouch lmfao

[vocal summit]

well if i'm playing PB yes because there's a good chance it's replaced by a flesh wizard

[slim willow]

[vocal summit]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/985642944973398127/987081798322384956/Screenrecorder-2022-06-10-21-51-56-3363.mp4

[slim willow]

this doesnt even look like doom

[vocal summit]

it is doom

but worse

[slim willow]

but why why would you do this to yourself

[vocal summit]

why would you do what

[slim willow]

gestures broadly

[vocal summit]

there are many gestures you can do

that doesn't really tell me much does it

[slim willow]

pb

[vocal summit]

it's good tho

i don't see what's so bad about it

[slim willow]

maybe im just an annoying purist dumbass

[vocal summit]

PB is fun honestly

feels a lot more like quake 3 than doom

[dapper flint]

Applies to 99 percent of " mods"

[hexed escarp]

im finding it far more interesting than doom 2

its much harder, i sure have to save much more, but its really fun

[vocal summit]

isn't that the point

of a gameplay mod

[dapper flint]

Not really. Mod is a modification. I don't always see it that way

[halcyon anvil]

Ah shit

Just my type of game

[vocal summit]

yeah and it's modifying the game

[slim willow]

hop on dosbox doom

[dapper flint]

My ass it is

Do you though lol

[vocal summit]

how is it not modifying the game

it modifies the weapons, enemies, sounds and sprites

[dapper flint]

I'd love to see a mod where lost souls have tiny legs and run around. I'd actually love that

[vocal summit]

never thought of that but yes it'd be amazing

[vast reef]

PB felt cheesy

decently fun

imo all doom needs to be more modern and fun is some cosmetic pizzaz, some movement like a dash or slide (or even strafejumping) and a good monster pack

[frigid zinc]

We need brutal doom on here.

[vivid vine]

Nope

[vast reef]

respectfully, no

brutal doom is heavily overrated

[frigid zinc]

its fun tho

[vast reef]

it's literally vanilla doom but with sniping and slightly more aggressive monsters

excluding cosmetic stuff like weapons that feel punchier

like i said before, the monsters just heavily fall flat

love the icon of sin though

[frigid zinc]

i dont use sniping

[vast reef]

chad

the weapons are really nice though imo

[frigid zinc]

I use project brutality and i have just a couple mods, nothing fancy at all

[vast reef]

gore looks good too though it feels a little excessive at times

[frigid zinc]

yeah i have to turn it down sometimes.

[vast reef]

yeah and sometimes my computer lags

but that's a me problem

[frigid zinc]

eh ppl just likes to have like all the mods in the world

[vast reef]

to be fair i play with a buttload of mods

most of them are cosmetic stuff though

[frigid zinc]

I have all the newer doom type mods

[vast reef]

lighting stuff, ambient sounds, HUD mods and then something like dead marine or beautiful doom

[frigid zinc]

double jump, doom blade, glory kill

[vast reef]

i really like complex doom

[frigid zinc]

same here

[vast reef]

project malice too

i also like dakka

[tacit remnant]

I’m something of a purist myself. I think a lot of what is so good about classic Doom is how it manages a lot of depth and a highly flexible system with such simple mechanics, and stuff like fatalities, jumping, alt fire, and even freelook undermine that elegant design

[finite crag]

Hey guys

I need some help with modding

I wanna add black vanilla gloves to brutal doom but don't know how, and most mods don't work

[pearl osprey]

https://youtu.be/34HfmGvUJIM

[vast reef]

agreed

[vast reef]

black smooth doom?

not gonna work, buddy

[finite crag]

I'll check it out

[vast reef]

oh i meant that won't work with BD

[finite crag]

Oh

Damn

[vast reef]

put it last in the load order btw

[finite crag]

Probably the only way is to edit BD sprites

[vast reef]

the later it is, the higher the loading priority

[vast reef]

yeah but i think somebody's already done that

[finite crag]

Only tan vanilla gloves I saw

[vast reef]

oh well

[finite crag]

That's okay. I'll probably give it a shot at editing myself one day

Thank you

[dapper flint]

Pretty sure there's a brutal doom discord for all those brutal people to talk about brutting

[frigid zinc]

I completely forgot how to do this level 💀

[vocal summit]

there is

[cosmic pagoda]

https://i.imgur.com/wE7RaXc.png

I forgot how absolute pushovers doom 2 viles are

[vocal summit]

they aren't strong they're just annoying

[cosmic pagoda]

they are not used to their strengths

casali bros perfected the use of most monsters

[dapper flint]

Absolutely. The gold standard

[vocal summit]

map11 has such fitting music for a map full of archviles tbh

[vocal summit]

love the fact an archvile in map01 of plutonia is using a chaingunner as a meatshield

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/694870947295002658/989222605384978482/Screenshot_2022-06-22-14-35-20-146_com.opentouchgaming.deltatouch2.jpg

[azure nimbus]

doom2 really only utilized chaingunners and pains in a really scary way

[celest sail]

On mobile, how do you switch guns?

[slim willow]

you press the doomguy face

[celest sail]

Thx

[hexed escarp]

where can i find the wads for unity add-ons that i have downloaded?

[finite crag]

I was scared of the archvile

Cause of Plutonia map 11

[hexed escarp]

lmao i just realized that every song that bucket made for the plutonia midi pack starts with plu for its naem

[sly oasis]

Can anyone advise on the difference between the No Rest For The Living wads, BFG Ed. vs. Unity?

Also, I have an issue with my HUD, the default one, in GZDoom, which is weirdly stretched so that the digits and Doomguy profile don't sit in the right places; I fix this by using the alt HUD, but would love to use the old one.

I'd add a screenshot, but I'm unable to in this room.

[azure nimbus]

No rest for the living is a vanilla episode made by nerve software. it is a pwad(requiring doom2 to run). BFG edition makes a couple changes to the usual IWAD. The main one is that it replaces wolfss guys with zombies. Unity has the regular pc IWAD(the one that you want).

[sly oasis]

Great, thanks!

Playing it now, it's really well put together!

This is coming off the last few Master Levels, which were SO PAINFUL.

[slim willow]

nerve.wad is a treat. such a good 9 levels

[fierce mason]

Does somebody still play deathmach or coop id doom 1993?

[slim willow]

a lot of people do. check out stuff like zandronum and zdaemon

[fierce mason]

Are those two names servers?

[tacit remnant]

Those are source ports designed for multiplayer compatibility. The main matchmaking platform is “DoomExplorer”

[little saffron]

I love doom deathmatch

[fierce mason]

There is only one problem i play doom 1993 on ps4

[little saffron]

Oh

[fierce mason]

[tacit remnant]

Yeah console Doom doesn’t have online play

[fierce mason]

there is multiplayer in doom from ps

[boreal silo]

That's how their used in a lot of the game lol

Just as "hey big bro can you help me with him"

[little saffron]

I hate both of them

[dapper flint]

Playstation does

Through shareplay

[little saffron]

I havent played doon through ps4

I have absolutely no idea

[dapper flint]

https://youtu.be/qQ4MWpGv4f8

[lilac jungle]

it can't be done.

[sly oasis]

Absolutely; the coming off the ML, NRFTL is so much fun; maps have nice aesthetics with a good flow and challenging combat encounters; feels well-balanced and explorations is intuitive; have discovered most secrets myself. ML were a far cry from these; felt more like those designers were out to punish you; their designs were often almost spiteful and sadistic. NRFTL feels so refined and polished by comparison.

[azure nimbus]

idk. I don't think the MLs are "spiteful" if only because spite and sadism are deliberate. Moreso I think they're just unclear in how they're designed.

[slim willow]

the master levels really do feel amateur for the most part

[tacit remnant]

Hell Revealed is hard because it’s sadistic.The Master Levels are hard because they’re incompetent

[slim willow]

dammit vega

[sturdy laurel]

So much for mentioning WADSmoosh. -_-

I was simply going to ask if anyone around here used it, but VEGA took my post down.

[slim willow]

vega is overly strict with links because of scammers and shit

there was an incident where hundreds of accounts had to be banned

[sturdy laurel]

Ah, fair enough.

[vast reef]

most un-modded servers are dead
i play with my friends sometimes though

[noble pecan]

Hey what does berserk do?

[tacit remnant]

Increases your melee damage 10x for the rest of the level.

[dapper flint]

Also restores your health to 100

[noble pecan]

Rest of the level? Or just until it wears off?

[tacit remnant]

Rest of the level

The visual effect ends in a few seconds but the buff doesn’t

We don’t know why for sure but the generally accepted theory is that the “rest of the level” bit was a change made late in development for whatever reason

[azure nimbus]

My guess was that it was planned but having red screen all level would be too much. But that does make sense that it was changed, would explain the conflicting official sources. One thing to keep in mind is that it might be beneficial to skip out on grabbing a chainsaw since under strict demo settings, you'll have to swap to the chainsaw first and then the fist if you want your berserk punch which is usually stronger.

[tacit remnant]

Berzerk punch can oneshot anything up to and including to a pinky

[dapper flint]

Baron punching is always a good time

[azure nimbus]

sometimes punching revs is easier than ssg due to pain chance

[vast reef]

yep

[dapper flint]

Plus the in and out punch makes them basically useless

[noble pecan]

Why would I need to change to chainsaw to get to punch?

[vast reef]

they're both in the 1 slot

just like how the super shotgun and shotgun are both in the 3 slot

[azure nimbus]

Whatever key you have mapped to swap to the punch(usually "1") is also the key to swap to the chainsaw. For whatever reason, that's how vanilla doom is. And you have to swap to the chainsaw before swapping to the fist if you have both. That's just how weapon changing is implemented. In modern source ports, there is usually a chainsaw/fist + ssg/sg toggle option which allows you to turn that behavior off for non-demo play

[noble pecan]

Oh, must be nice for you PC players

[tacit remnant]

There’s also the weapon wheel, which I typically use instead

[vast reef]

what port

[tacit remnant]

Steam/console port

[azure nimbus]

Oh, if you play controller on unity, then the only way to use either is by wheel which fun fact, does not have that weird old doom behavior with forcing you to use chainsaw first

[vast reef]

oh i see

[azure nimbus]

if you play controller on another port though(like I do), that behavior is maintained

weapon wheel is so trash to deal with

modern controllers have enough buttons for all the weapons. idk why we only got swaps to three weapons(kinda 4 with ssg) and have to scroll wheel painfully slowly for others

[noble pecan]

Is that the same as pressing R and L to move left and right through the weapons?

[tacit remnant]

Yes

I use the scroll wheel even though I play with keyboard because I hate reaching up to the number keys. After a bit you develop muscle memory that lets you scroll quickly

[azure nimbus]

unity port is weird with weapon swaps for sure. Vanilla doom doesn't actually allow you to hold the "fist" if you have chainsaw but no berserk. Unity does let you however

[vast reef]

especially since doom's weapon switching is slower compared to other games

[azure nimbus]

Is there a way to get out of the delay that the weapon wheel forces? Even if you can click quickly, the game still gives a pause "just in case" you'd have scrolled farther where swapping with binds instantly begins the swap

[tacit remnant]

Oh yeah quickswap is strictly not a thing in Classic Doom.

[slim willow]

Console versions should do what Original Xbox Doom 3 did and let you bind weapons to the dpad.

[azure nimbus]

doom64 for xbox has full binds, even for strafe on

[tacit remnant]

I don’t know a way around the wheel delay, but it doesn’t really bother me

[slim willow]

PC unity has full binds too. No clue why not on console.

[noble pecan]

I don’t think Switch can bind weapons

[dapper flint]

Weapon wheel is a good weapon wheel but during high stress fights youre sitting there cycling

[azure nimbus]

there is one cheeky exception to that. Shooting the supershotgun to empty lets you skip the reload animation as you put it away

[tacit remnant]

Switch doesn’t have binds

[slim willow]

OG Xbox Doom 3 has the best controls.. L for sprint. Why did they change them...

[dapper flint]

That's what I have emulated on eternity

[noble pecan]

That’s only Doom II right?

[vast reef]

damn

[azure nimbus]

no ssg in doom1

[vast reef]

yeah since the super shotgun doesn't exist in doom 1

[azure nimbus]

Which weirdly enough, boom screws that up. Your ssg will always reload even when empty in boom or mbf. Even the far less faithful-to-vanilla gzdoom doesn't have that oddity

[tacit remnant]

Doom 2 introduced the SSG. Most Doom 1 monsters are squishy enough that you shouldn’t miss it too much except in the last episode, which was basically a free expansion back in the day

[azure nimbus]

I complain about weapon swaps in unity, but boom has a bunch of weapon swap oddities(frankly so does vanilla). I can imagine Romero telling the lads that he added a new gun with double the barrel and triple the damage

[tacit remnant]

Yup

I love the original SSG

[azure nimbus]

then the sssg: the bfg. I never fully appreciated until recently trying out the beta bfg. But the cool bfg's tracers individually have vertical auto-aim.

[fresh void]

I like the ssg its good

[dapper flint]

Broomstick goes boom

[vocal summit]

broomstick

[noble pecan]

Help! I’m locked in a room on E3M6. It has no buttons or anything in it, just staircases going to opposite ends of the room.

I found the secret way out; a wall by a candle

[slim willow]

you found your way out?

[noble pecan]

Yeah I did. But now I have a blue key but no blue door. Same level.

Finally found the map, and then the exit. Done with that game for the night! Took me 39 minutes

[tacit remnant]

Mt Erebus is beloved but I have always felt that it’s a bit overhyped, if only because of how confusing it is

[noble pecan]

Yeah I still have no clue what order things happened in. And I hate that I can’t tell what things are supposed to be. Like red is lava, and I guess blue on the ground is water. But what are red and blue buildings supposed to be? And what are flashing lights supposed to mean in this game? Is that the game telling me where to go?

[tacit remnant]

Honestly I have no idea what they’re supposed to be. The level designer of Episode 2 and the bulk of Episode 3 (Sandy Petersen) famously calls the aesthetic he was trying to do an “abstract kind of Hell” and Early Doom in general played with abstract designs. Sometimes the abstract visuals work, sometimes they just don’t

BTW I’d like to give you a quick heads up. Episode 4 wasn’t in the original release (it was added in an update after Doom 2) and is significantly harder than the first 3 episodes. I recommend skipping E4 until you’ve beaten Doom 2 at least.

[noble pecan]

Thanks for the heads up. I don’t think I’ll be doing any extras as I play through the entire Doom series. I’m just playing from start to finish of each base game. Does E3 complete the game from that perspective?

[tacit remnant]

Yes.

[fierce mason]

can you explain to me these add ons? please

Im really confused

[tacit remnant]

Basically they’re additional campaigns that you can download if you have a free Bethesda.com account. Once they’re downloaded you can toggle them on (only one at a time) and it replaces the normal campaign with the Addon campaign

[fierce mason]

Very cool thanks

[azure nimbus]

they're mostly custom mapsets that can be downloaded and played for free on another port. No Rest for The Living, Plutonia, and TN Taste all commercial products and can't legally be downloaded outside of the official environment

[sly oasis]

What is WADSmoosh and why was it removed?

[sly oasis]

What's Hell Revealed? One of the MLs? I think you're right about the incompetence, but there are SOME MLs that I thoroughly enjoyed; just around Mephisto's Mausoleum (Unity order) that they start getting REALLY frustrating. Hidden ledges, keys, etc. That Elevator to Hell one. Fuck that shit.

[vast reef]

mashes all the wads into one wad

no rest for the living, doom 1, doom 2, tnt, plutonia, sigil, master levels

now they're all episodes you select

[azure nimbus]

Hell Revealed is one of the older PWADS (patch "where's all the data" made by Yonaton Donner(spelling?)). It was one of the original "hard" mapsets. Its difficulty hasn't exactly aged well since it relies heavily on obscurity and tedium, but it was still a mapping milestone.

[sly oasis]

Oh, wow; I'm gonna look out for that, then.

Does it also feature them in "canonically correct" play order?

On that note, after No Rest, I intend the play TNT Evilution, then Plutonia, and then Doom 64; I understand that to be a good order, or am I missing something?

[azure nimbus]

do whatever order you want. In terms of release, it was doom e1 through e3, doom2, ultimate doom + doom e4, tnt + plut, d64, NRftL

[vast reef]

yes

[vast reef]

i played them doom 64 doom 1 doom 2 plutonia tnt

(yes i know i said before that i played doom 1 first but that was barely playing it)

couldn't get past e1m1

[sly oasis]

Haha, what; how could you not get past E1M1?

Such a classic map.

[azure nimbus]

first time I played, didn't know which wall was a door

[last flower]

Time to kick the icon of sins ass

[vast reef]

didn't know how to open the door

hell i didn't even know if it was a door

[knotty lynx]

bruh

[vast reef]

to be fair i was about 9

[noble pecan]

Which episode has him?

[sturdy laurel]

It's a Python-based desktop utility that can combine all of the official Classic Doom releases (Ultimate Doom, Doom II, No Rest for the Living, Master Levels, Final Doom, Xbox secret maps), plus John Romero's Sigil (Buckethead soundtrack optional) into a single .PK3 standalone game, ready for use with GZDoom and LZDoom.

Link was removed by VEGA due to security concerns.

[vast reef]

doom 2 map 30

[plain veldt]

Any of you know where to download the background art for Doom 2 Steam without the Doom 2 logo?

The one with Doom guy fighting the Cyberdemon

[finite crag]

Oh thx I'll go into E4 on ultra violence

[plain veldt]

Nvm found it

[last flower]

E4 was just pain on 1st try, PTSD intensifies.

[sly oasis]

You reckon? I played E4 before (I replayed) Doom 2, but I'd never actually beaten 2, and played with cheats as a kid. E4 was challenging, sure, but not too bad compared to Sigil and some of the later Master Levels, which I HATED.

[sly oasis]

Haha, okay; I kept quiet cos I didn't quite know how to respond, but since you were only nine, fair.

[vast reef]

when i did figure out the door i couldn't aim for the life of me (was playing a browser port with keyboard-only controls)

what made it worse was that i thought i was good at video games and played it on ultra-violence

[oblique vapor]

https://youtube.com/shorts/mriL0Uk2hNA?feature=share

[vast reef]

lmfao

[oblique vapor]

The Doom one had me on the floor

[azure nimbus]

the master levels are for the masters

[dapper flint]

I need to see if they have a solo net....

[sly oasis]

Heh, guess I'm a master then. Still didn't enjoy them.

[tacit remnant]

No one likes the Master Levels

[sly oasis]

Yeah, I think you mentioned that last night.

This conversation is still going... 😄

[tacit remnant]

The actual content for masters is stuff like Sunlust and Italo Doom.

Well the Doom Gods, anyway

For players who are good but still Doom mortals, Plutonia, Going Down, and Alien Vendetta are great challenge campaigns

I’d love for Going Down to join the Unity port someday

Anyway Going Down is probably my next stop after I finish Scythe 1

[azure nimbus]

going down is a great set. lots of doomcute and reasonably sized levels. finding the invisible ledge in that ML is harder than God machine

[tacit remnant]

I also love the offkilter vibe of Going Down.

[dapper flint]

Black tower was a good time

Going down won't make the cut for unity. Because it's boom

Alien vendetta could. Preferably with the new midi. But I doubt it.

[tacit remnant]

Oh I forgot that Unity isn’t Boom compatible

[dapper flint]

https://imgur.com/a/r33Kpab

Big boi map

[vivid vine]

https://youtu.be/ZfVpFL56hGs

[azure nimbus]

took me maybe half an hour to find the berserk :(.

[dapper flint]

I couldn't hit the switch my first time for some reason hahahah

[halcyon willow]

99% sure going down limit removing

It appears I am 99% wrong

[dapper flint]

Hahahahah

[halcyon willow]

Definitely feels limit removing to me

In any case, amazing wad

Glorious music

Cyriak is still composing too

[dapper flint]

It's a great theme honestly. Tight combat. Would love to see you make a 1 hour map in some sort of building. Maybe a mall

[sly oasis]

Seen some vids on that and it just... looks gross, IMO. Like, I won't have fun playing those. But I'm not a Doom God, nor do I presume to be! i just got sucked into a massive id/DOOM revival after playing the prboom-plus raytracing mod; finished Doom I and II like that, Sigil in between, then moved onto MLs and now I'm on No Rest. Want to play them as "canonically chronologically" as possible, then move onto 64. In the meantime I also beat 2016 and Eternal and I'm now waiting for TAG to go on sale.

[sly oasis]

Have heard of Alien Vendetta, but not Going Down; playable on GZDoom?

[dapper flint]

You really don't need to be a "doom god" in my experience any map can be conquered it all depends on how much effort the individual is willing to put into to master it and practice it. Sure it comes easier for raw talent but practice and learning the map can help you beat it also. It just takes time

[azure nimbus]

at the same time -- yeah don't play sunlust if you're new

[sly oasis]

Absolutely, but I guess I want to play the essential Doom wads... and have fun at the same time.

What I've seen of Italo/Sunlust didn't appeal to me personally.

[azure nimbus]

shameless shill ||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em7s_iUwP_E&list=PL6z3JwchtJUHNZ0peyHbGrkDmmZ_1qX1d|| I played it recently and I'll say both that it accomodates continuous play and lower difficulties for a more...reasonable... experience. But even then, there are friendlier things to try as a newcomer like anything skillsaw, going down, scythe 2 as you get more practice

[dapper flint]

I don't find it very shill. Nothing wrong with showing off your accomplishments

[azure nimbus]

I suppose it is not "shilling" by definition since I don't present as though I am impartial about it

[lilac jungle]

Wad name?

[slim willow]

man on the moon

[tacit remnant]

Scythe uses exploding barrels on damaging level end floor to force pistol starts every 10 maps. The problem is that sometimes it just doesn’t work for whatever reason. I have made it past the last forced pistol start but is there a trick to make it count consistently?

[vast reef]

nochance.wad

[vast reef]

looks gross? i can see that for some italo-doom maps but sunlust is beautiful

[tacit remnant]

Maybe gross in the sense that seeing 50+ mid to high tier demons coming to kick your ass is horrifying

Which yes, 50+ mid to high tier demons coming to kick your ass is indeed horrifying

[vast reef]

that is true

[tacit remnant]

I tried the first level of Sunlust on HMP And I don’t think I’m at all ready to take on Sunlust, not even on HMP. I’m about to start the part of Scythe 1 where it supposedly gets mean, we’ll see how that goes

[dapper flint]

There was a wad I recently played that is very chill but does introduce mean monster combos I was thinking would be very good for beginners. It's called dreamcatcher apparatus. I really recommend it

[vast reef]

does anybody else like playing hard wads with op-ish weapon mods when they can't beat them

i could turn the difficulty down but i wanna see the things they do with the monsters

[finite crag]

I tried the first level of Sunlust on HMP And I > don’t think I’m at all ready to take on Sunlust, > not even on HMP.
skill issue lmao /j
jokes aside, I'd recommend you play through sunlust a few times on the lower difficulties (itytd and hntr) and afterwards attempting it on hmp

[dapper flint]

What do you mean ?

Cheats ?

[vast reef]

sorry, meant to say weapon mods

[azure nimbus]

my guess is that you're pressing the "use" key before the level ends but after you've died which causes it to reset.

[azure nimbus]

I've taken breaks from sunlust attempts by grabbing heartland's cluster bomb launcher and going boom boom

[tacit remnant]

Oh okay thanks

[sly oasis]

@vast reef, yeah, per @tacit remnant's comment here: aesthetics are great but looking at some play-throughs of especially the later maps I'm like "nah, I can do without that," cos I'm a completionist and it'd drive me crazy.

[azure nimbus]

it feels so strange to 1-hit cybers in fractured worlds

[tacit remnant]

Classic Doom WADs are a real rabbithole to fall down so most players never play the hardest WADs.

[rapid pulsar]

hey if anyone here is interested in making mods for og doom hit me up if you want, im making a server for it and just trying to kickstart it rn

[vast reef]

isn't the zdoom server a thing

[rapid pulsar]

yeah but still i wanna do my own

[vast reef]

well sure

[rapid pulsar]

ok ill dm you some info and then the link

[hexed escarp]

Is there a server for vanilla/boom/mbf mapping/modding?

[vast reef]

if you can't find one, make one

[hexed escarp]

Me and some of my friends are trying to recreate half life 2 in doom

And we are trying to make it compat with he dos mbf exe

[rapid pulsar]

ooh cool

[rapid pulsar]

you could probably use the server im making for the stuff if you want

[pearl osprey]

I am in a vanilla/boom modding server

Not super active but if you want in I'll DM you

[rapid pulsar]

ok

[pearl osprey]

replying to Enator*

[sly oasis]

Anybody play the Selaco demo on Steam?

TC using the GZDoom engine, and damn, mighty impressive.

[halcyon willow]

It's a stand alone game, not a TC (total conversions still require an iwad to run)

[sly oasis]

My bad, meant to say USED to be a TC.

Just mighty impressive what people are doing with the Doom engine so many years down the line.

[azure nimbus]

I dunno -- GZdoom isn't the doom engine. Even conservative ports like boom aren't the doom engine. All that ls used from the IWAD is sprites and sound and the like. So if a thing doesn't even use that, idk. Maybe I'm judging it wrong

[sly oasis]

Well, my bad again, then. I guess what I'm trying to say is it's amazing how the legacy of Doom lives on in games like Selaco.

[sly oasis]

Anyone have any idea what TNT Evilution map names show up as vanilla Doom II map names when I load up via GZDoom? Haven't had this with other wads before. Not a biggie, just a minor annoyance I'd like to figure out.

[finite crag]

What source ports do you guys use?

[slim willow]

DSDA Doom

[pearl osprey]

DSDA Doom

[azure nimbus]

do you have tnt as a pwad in your launcher? Idk that's my only guess. tnt should be selected as an iwad in the right column of ZDL

[vocal summit]

crispy doom

[azure nimbus]

I've only ever needed 4 ports and it covers everything I've ever played or even seen advertised: woof covers most every "doomy" wad. So vanilla, boom, mbf, mbf21 compat; has an accurate(factors in ressurection) killcount, color coded map; uv+; and most importantly for me, controller support. GZdoom is good for well, gzdoom mods(of which I've only played 4 or 5 maps of pirates!.wad. Eternity also has controller support, but without a good kill counter(gets confused with ressurection), I only use it for mapsets that require it(read: heartland. Excellent mapset which comes with settings within the pwad so you don't need to screw about on the settings menu if you try it).

Then DSDA. I only use DSDA to convert my demos from woof into a video via its video-dump feature. DSDA and woof are extremely similar. The main difference is that DSDA has no controller support but can do video dumps. So for the vast majority of wads, I use woof. If you like to play vanilla, boom, mbf, mbf21 stuff, woof (if you play controller) or dsda is great. If you like gz mods, play gz. If you play heartland, use eternity. I really feel that that set of ports will cover most everything no matter what input method or playstyle. I suppose with the one exception of lilith.pk3 requiring zdoom and not gzdoom.

So imo if you download woof/dsda and gz, you'll be able to play most anything. Then eternity for that one mapset lol. They all run with ZDL as the launcher so it's very convenient. edit: multiplayer ports exist...uhhhh I don't play classic doom mp sorry. And of course unity port for introducing people to the game + achievements

[finite crag]

crispy doom, woof! and eternity (i also use zdoom occasionally)

[vocal summit]

crispy doom is like prboom but chocolate doom

it's great

[hexed escarp]

depends on the thing

[finite crag]

so

many options....

also btw I'm using GNU/Linux

[hexed escarp]

what are you planning on playing

just base doom/doom 2? a specific wad? modded or unmodded?

[dapper flint]

Eternity is my go too. Best controller support. Others just feel floaty and off. For kill count its being worked on and it's logged on github. I don't mind changing the hud until it's added though

[vast reef]

ooh

all i mainly use is crispy doom, dsda-doom, and gzdoom

i think i have eternity here somewhere

[calm grove]

Anyone know any good fantasy mods for doom 2?

[azure nimbus]

rekkr. A last word on ports, they take maybe 5 min to try out. So again, feel free to download these tiny files and test them out. If you download prboom or whatever, that doesn't mean that you're committing to it.

[iron inlet]

my pc is sucks

[azure nimbus]

then classic doom iss perfect for you

[iron inlet]

seen my pc

[sinful tulip]

got stuck on the spirit world

another dope level that was ultimately ruined by its lack of direction

[azure nimbus]

the mandatory shootable...wall is pretty mean

[sinful tulip]

yup

thats what did it

[azure nimbus]

Shootable switches might be acceptable in a custom wad where people are more comfortable with them or if it was signposted better(like making it look like a shootable switch) but it just being a rando wall and hoping that you accidentally shoot it while ssging pinkies...it's mean. Shootable switches are so rarely used in vanilla

[tacit remnant]

The creepy eye markers in Sigil were a cool way to signpost shootable switches

[vocal summit]

even though they're very obvious i still hate them

like damn bro why did you have to hide that shit so hard

[tacit remnant]

That’s fair. In general Sigil has issues but is pretty interesting and clever overall

[winter current]

whats a classic doom wad you recommend?

[sly oasis]

Loaded as -file in a Batch, but maybe I should try ZDL instead.

Didn't have this issue with No Rest for the Living, for example, so it's rather strange.

[pearl osprey]

You shouldn't use -file for tnt

you should use -iwad

-iwad tnt.wad

[ornate vortex]

Rush.wad

[sly oasis]

Alright! Thanks, friend, that fixed it!

The issue was actually that I loaded -iwad doom2.wad -iwad tnt.wad

Once I removed doom2 problem was solved.

Thought I needed both.

[pearl osprey]

Yeah TNT is a separate IWAD not a PWAD that's why they can't be both loaded at the same time

[sly oasis]

Copy that, thanks for clarifying.

[little saffron]

is there a doom wad that replicates wolfenstein 3d levels?

[sly oasis]

Curious what "cosmetics" mods you guys might recommend; trying to preserve the "vanilla" gameplay aspect as much as possible with my GZDoom setup, but use the following to enhance visuals and audio somewhat: AltDHTP, brightmaps, Doom_Classic PBR, Liquidpatch, NeuralUpscale, sm4BBgore, pk_doom_sfx and some wide screen patches; any goodies I'm missing out on?

[sinful tulip]

icon of sin time

i might try the doom 2 expansion

i havent skipped any thus far on any previous dooms so

[tacit remnant]

There’s also a lot of excellent Doom 2 user made campaigns, some of which are included in the Unity port

[sly oasis]

Can vouch for No Rest For The Living as well as the first few Master Levels, @sinful tulip

TNT Evilution is also pretty cool so far.

[tacit remnant]

Plutonia is probably the best thing in the Unity port, albeit one of the higher difficulty options. Deathless and BTSX are also extremely good

[azure nimbus]

some secrets were hard to find but they were always clearly a shootable if they were seen

[hexed escarp]

ye plutonia is really fun

its hard tho, at least for me cuz im new to doom

really fun tho and manageable on hurt me plenty and with saves

[sly oasis]

Is changing the FOV in GZDoom frowned upon? If you want a classic Doom experience?

I know it's subjective, but is there some consensus?

[hexed escarp]

if you want the classic doom experience dont use gzdoom at all lmao

[azure nimbus]

If you want as vanilla experience as possible, I suppose you could use the command line to launch the game in dosbox and play in a vanilla compat port with 3:4 ratio and low resolution and no secret notifications and no kill counter and no doomwiki and no youtube

[pearl osprey]

Even decino (most popular doomtuber) used to have a high FOV when playing classic doom so I suppose changing the FOV is fair

But def not for something like speedrunning

[hexed escarp]

lol

[azure nimbus]

you could have "always run" on but come on, would you have figured out where in the config file to change the number to 29 or 31? Best to keep always run off for the authentic experience. Sure, mouse was integrated in 1993 doom's release but a lot of people were too new at fps games to try or figure out how to finnagle it in the settings

[sly oasis]

Haha, I've given myself leeway to do some cosmetic upgrades to make it a bit friendlier on the eye in 2022; set compatibility to strict and use software lighting to get the brightness as close as possible to OG, but I appreciate higher resolutions and HD textures.

So, I must rephrase; I want the actual gameplay to be as close to vanilla as possible.

I mean, sure, I could just play the Unity port, or go real OG Chocolate Doom, but that's TOO authentic for me.

[hexed escarp]

prboom-plus is also nice

it is actually vanilla compatible unlike gzdoom

as in, gzdoom gameplay does not emulate classic gameplay perfectly even on strict settings but prboom-plus does

[sly oasis]

I played Doom I and II via prboom-plus recently, using the RTX enhancement; it was fantastic. Actually played those 320x200 with the CRT filter and it was such a blast.

But all the other wads are sadly not compatible.

So I resorted to GZDoom for those.

[sly oasis]

Does prboom work with other aesthetics/cosmetics mods?

I use these mods with my GZ: AltDHTP, brightmaps, Doom_Classic PBR, Liquidpatch, NeuralUpscale, sm4BBgore, pk_doom_sfx and some wide screen patches

[pearl osprey]

All of those are GZDoom exclusive

[hexed escarp]

^

[hexed escarp]

yeah the rt mod is awesome

[pearl osprey]

In this case you should stick to GZDoom

[hexed escarp]

yeah definitely, it might not be perfectly vanilla gameplay, but its close enough as long as you arent speedrunning or otherwise recording demos

also, if you are playing the main doom 1 campaign, may i recommend using the idkfa soundtrack remake by andrew hulshult

it is so good and is almost a completely different experience to play

[sly oasis]

Oh, I ran that OST; it was SOOOO good!

[hexed escarp]

yeah

[sly oasis]

I'm waiting for TAG to go on sale on the MS store so I can grab that; can't WAIT to see how his work on the new game is.

[hexed escarp]

its probs on sale on steam rn

with the massive summer sale and all

[sly oasis]

Noted, thanks; if I've got all set to strict compatibility, how close is GZ to vanilla?

[hexed escarp]

decently close, but not enough for demos to be compatible

[sly oasis]

It is... but I've got DE on Game Pass and so a Steam copy of TAG won't work on my Game Pass copy, as far as I understand.

Huge bummer.

[pearl osprey]

In normal gameplay, almost identical, for speedrunning/demos very unfaithful

[hexed escarp]

wait hold on, do the title screen demos desync in gz?

[sly oasis]

I guess I could just play TAG on Steam, but I want it all in one place.

[dapper flint]

I recommend gz for alot of new players. Eventually they slip into purism anyways ;) hahah

[sly oasis]

Fine by me; don't really care for demos or speed runs. I just wanna experience all the OG Classic Doom wads I skipped as a kid.

[pearl osprey]

Then GZDoom is right for you

[hexed escarp]

i became a purist the second i started playing classic doom lol, mostly bc my dad played them when they first came out and i wanted to experience them the way that he did so i started with chocolate

[sly oasis]

That's the funny thing! I had all these wild mods, and I started scaling back to ones that only slightly enhanced the game visually, added some gore, etc. but I wanted the gameplay as close to faithful as possible.

[dapper flint]

If you want the og experience as a kid GZ really isn't it. It's barely the original classic. Think of it like a remaster really

[pearl osprey]

Also one mistake I've seen many people do is having only one source port for everything, nothing is stopping you from having multiple

[dapper flint]

Gz has a ton of modding though. So if you like modding I highly recommend it

[hexed escarp]

yeah i have a doom folder with like 10 source ports

[pearl osprey]

I have GZDoom, dsda-doom, and crispy doom

[dapper flint]

I only use eternity these days

[sly oasis]

Oh, I know; I mean I played the OG Dooms upon release as a kid, WAAAY back in the day (yep, I'm old! :D), but as a kid I only ever played them with cheat codes.

[dapper flint]

Personally I like my classic doom a bit chunky lol

[hexed escarp]

i have chocolate doom, crispy doom, dsda doom, gzdoom, gz3doom (gzdoom vr fork), prboom plus, prboom plus rtx, winmbf, woof, zandronum

[dapper flint]

https://imgur.com/a/r33Kpab

[sly oasis]

Once I saw the RTX mod, after I'd finished Cyberpunk 2077, I wanted to check it out just out of interest, and then the bug bit super hard; I've since played Ultimate Doom, Sigil, Doom II, Master Levels, No Rest for the Living, and I'm now onto TNT Evilution, after which I'll do Plutonia and then Doom 64.

[sly oasis]

Haha, damn, that's a lot!

What's DSDA?

[hexed escarp]

a speedrunning fork of prboom-plus

with extra timer features and demo playback features and stuff

[sly oasis]

I've played Zandronum for coop with a friend some; it's GFX engine feels almost better than GZDoom; was impressed with what was pulled off there.

[pearl osprey]

It adds many QoL for non speedrunners as well

[sly oasis]

How can I share screenshots on here?

[dapper flint]

I just use imgur as a link

[sly oasis]

Ah.

[hexed escarp]

or discord attachment link if you already sent it somewhere else

[sly oasis]

I'll do the same; show you what my getup looks like.

[dapper flint]

https://imgur.com/a/5Mtm6uM

It's that easy

[sly oasis]

Some brutal going on there?

[hexed escarp]

i first got the wads from eternal and started playing doom 1 with choco doom, and then i got obsessed

[sly oasis]

I played E1 with the Brutal Doom Realism settings on, was really fun.

[sleek mirage]

I have gzdoom and crispy

But I hate the fact that by default every time you open gz freelook is on

[dapper flint]

Nah never played brutal. This is just an assault rifle for 1000 lines community project 3. Reskinned pistol with automatic fire

[sly oasis]

It's so cool, eh? There's something so pure about OG Classic Doom.

[sleek mirage]

There is fr

[hexed escarp]

i havent actually finished any wads (except doom 1 technically but i only beat the first 3 chapters) but im part way thru a bunch of wads

[sleek mirage]

You could say that old and new doom are pretty much the same game

[sly oasis]

Ah, the Brutal mod I used has that skin for the AR.

[sly oasis]

I'm trying to play them in canonical sequence.

[sleek mirage]

I've played through ultimate doom's first 3 chapters, and started doom 2

I hated thy flesh consumed from the start

[sleek mirage]

Me too but I just can't make myself play thy flesh consumed

Am stuck on e4m2

[hexed escarp]

im in the middle of e4m2 of ultimate doom, map15 of doom 2, map05 of plutonia, map05 of eviternity, map07 of scythe, and map02 of no rest for the living

i dont have enough attention span to stick with one wad lol

[sleek mirage]

Lol same level of d1

I absolutely hate e4m2

I hope the person who made it had fun doing it because it isn't even slightly fair

[hexed escarp]

romero iirc

yeah it is

[sly oasis]

Romero's definitely a bit of a Sadist. Sigil was the same.

[hexed escarp]

oh right also on map02 of sigil

forgot that one

[sly oasis]

Strangely I didn't find Flesh so bad.

[sleek mirage]

Haven't played sigil yet

Although I have it

[sly oasis]

It's great, but punishing.

But enjoyable.

[sleek mirage]

You run into a ton of barons over a lava pit in level 2 - with only a shotgun

[sly oasis]

Haha, wait till the Cyberdemon...

[sleek mirage]

Oh hell no

I heard there's a spiderdemon and cyber in the same room

[hexed escarp]

thats the last map of sigil

[tacit remnant]

Doom 2 also does that in Map20.

[hexed escarp]

wait can you just make them infight in e5m8?

[tacit remnant]

No idea

[hexed escarp]

that would be lame

[dapper flint]

Second last. You're forgetting about map 9

[hexed escarp]

i dont think of the secret level as the "last"

it is the last numerically, but you dont play it last

[dapper flint]

You should ! It's great

[tacit remnant]

Wait I’m remembering more about Sigil’s finale. Basically you fight the Spiderdemon in a hallway then the cyberdemon is right around the corner

[hexed escarp]

oh

[dapper flint]

Even in demos I tend to do the secret levels numerically. It's true alot don't though

[dapper flint]

No it'll come to you if you stay still long enough. Peak out and get them to infighting

[tacit remnant]

Yeah I only vaguely remember that level

[dapper flint]

https://youtu.be/7deoEmPU_uQ

[tacit remnant]

I remember it being a claustrophobic gauntlet

[sly oasis]

https://imgur.com/k7h5HUM

Sort of where I'm at.

https://imgur.com/XkqF2e8

Still very much OG, but with cosmetics enhanced.

Just don't ask me why the HUD is all out of whack; strangely only does it with Doom I and II, not any of the other wads.

[dapper flint]

Are you using Nash gore here?

[sly oasis]

Brutal Bolognese.

I think it's the same thing. Or more or less.

[dapper flint]

Personally I heard Nash is the best if you want to give it a go. You can adjust everything in menu. Gore amount gibs all that

[sly oasis]

I'll take a look.

I've got it set to 2 out of 5; just like the extra little bit of gore, not to be OTT.

[sinful tulip]

icon of sin hard

[azure nimbus]

try enabling crosshair. it helps a ton

[sinful tulip]

nah i just beat it eventually

took like 9 attempts

[sly oasis]

Honestly, I found the Icon unnecessarily hard and almost unfair.

It felt like a bit of a slap in the face after everything it took me to get there.

[sinful tulip]

yh i honestly just couldn't figure out what i was meant to do for ages

one of my attempts lasted like 15 minutes just trying to do something and stay alive

i wasnt sure if i just needed to survive or what

eventually i just googled it which i hate doing when playing older games ngl

even then i still struggled a bunch

im a little worn out but will prolly check out no rest for the living tomorrow

[sly oasis]

It's great; really enjoyed it.

I played the Master Levels before.

And now after No Rest I'm onto Evilution.

[azure nimbus]

words said before disaster

[sly oasis]

lol

[dapper flint]

Tnt 🤢

[hexed escarp]

is there any way i can convert my bfg edition doom 1 wad to the original?

[vocal summit]

delete map33 and change the medkit sprites in slade

that's really the only difference

[hexed escarp]

what about the lack of fast monsters

[vocal summit]

that's a source port thing

[hexed escarp]

or is that only in the doom2 version

[pearl osprey]

That's a source port parameter not an Iwad thing

[hexed escarp]

oh ok

[pearl osprey]

do -fast

[hexed escarp]

i dont want fast monsters, i just want the wad to be indentical to the proper udoom wad without having to buy another copy of it

isnt it also missing some headers or smthn that cause it to not work with some things?

[vocal summit]

no idea

either buy the good port or get the files from doom2.wad

[azure nimbus]

doom2 does have some other differences in bfg edition. The wolfenstein levels are different -- not that in matters really, but worth knowing

[brisk cliff]

hello

[sly oasis]

Can't be worse than ML... can it?

[dapper flint]

It's close

[sly oasis]

Oh god...

Plutonia better, at least?

Cos I can slog through TNT if there's promise of a great finale.

ML just felt spiteful and sadistic at times.

[tacit remnant]

Plutonia is great. A bit mean, but very well designed

The Master Levels are hard because they were made rather haphazardly, Plutonia’s difficulty is entirely intentional and therefore knows when something is hard enough

[azure nimbus]

good as plut is, I can't defend map08 having no armor

[dapper flint]

It's one of thee worst sin battles I've ever played and I've played alot of them

[azure nimbus]

ok but it has colored torches instead of an arrow so the level is good

[grave cypress]

how to play map 9 no rest for living?

[hexed escarp]

is it just me or is it sometimes that the idea of playing doom is much better than actually playing doom?

[dapper flint]

Just you

[hexed escarp]

oh ok

sometimes im just like, ooh i should play insert doom wad here that would be so much fun, and then i actually sit down and play it, die a couple of times, get frustrated, and then quit

[dapper flint]

I have an issue of playing to many wads. Start one start another and so on

[hexed escarp]

yeah im in the middle of 7 wads rn

[pearl osprey]

Same but with all video games

[azure nimbus]

what's yall's favorite BFG replacement? Excited to try Struggle's Leichenfaust

[hexed escarp]

whats a bfg replacement

[azure nimbus]

a weapon 7 in dehacked. LIke the valiant chaingun is a chaingun replacement

[sly oasis]

As in another Icon of Sin type boss battle?

[dapper flint]

Yeah but it's extremely easy

Takes a few seconds

[sly oasis]

Haha. Good.

I hated the Icon of Sin in Doom II.

[grave cypress]

Anyone?

[tacit remnant]

How to access or how to beat?

[hexed escarp]

oh

dehacked stuff is so cool

[tacit remnant]

If you mean how to access, go to level select if you’re playing Unity and if not then type “IDCLEV09” during gameplay

If you are asking how to beat it, IDK

[hexed escarp]

the only thing ive made with dehacked is a mod that makes every enemy shoot bfg which is fucking terrifying

since it also does tracers

[azure nimbus]

the secret exit for NRFTL is in map04 iirc

[grave cypress]

how to accces

[grave cypress]

That's Fair Enoguh!
Many Thanks!

If i defated plutonia and tnt i can this to

ngl i finished tnt faster lol

[azure nimbus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNKGZvQC-aY

[grave cypress]

ahh well...

[brisk cliff]

how do you even get classic doom on pc?

if you can...

[finite crag]

steam or gog

[dapper flint]

Or physical copy

https://imgur.com/a/cKQ8Hav

[tacit remnant]

Steam is the easiest legal method. It’s $5 on Steam (Doom 1 and 2 are $5 that is)

[limber mirage]

Pretty sure they are like $1.25 rn

[tacit remnant]

Oh I forgot about the sale

[vast reef]

hot damn what port is this

gzdoom?

if it is, what shaders are you using

[vocal summit]

looks like the "plastic shaders" mod on moddb

[grand moss]

So I'm playing classic doom on doom eternal. I'm stuck on the cyberdemon atm

[slim willow]

dont stand in one place. dont stand near walls. take out the lost souls first.

[grand moss]

Lost souls? I didn't see any of those while I was fighting it

Just the cyber

[grand moss]

I did all the other stuff tho

[vast reef]

you're on an easy difficulty then i believe

why are you stuck though

[grand moss]

Welp. Time to start a new game

[vast reef]

i mean like

[grand moss]

Didn't know I was on easy

[vast reef]

what difficulty did you choose

[vast reef]

are you just dying to the rockets or is something broken in the game

[grand moss]

I thought I clicked hurt me plenty. Guessing I clicked the one above

[vast reef]

wait do lost souls spawn on hurt me plenty (the doomwiki isn't loading and i'm asking sgt. swiss cheese)

[grand moss]

I would get hit by one get blinded and accidently walk into another

[vast reef]

hmm, if you play on a sourceport you can remove the blinding

[slim willow]

You probably know this, but:

I'm too Young to Die = Very Easy
Hey, Not too Rough = Easy
Hurt me Plenty = Normal
Ultra-Violence = Hard
Nightmare = Very (Very) Hard (don't do for a normal run)

[grand moss]

I was playing it on doom eternal

[vast reef]

yeah, you can get the wad and play it in a sourceport

[grand moss]

Yeah I thought I was on normal

[slim willow]

odd

[sly oasis]

GZ.

I'm not sure which shader, but I think it's Doom_Classic_PBR.pk3.

(I got these from a friend who's more clued up. Looks even better in Zandronum.)

Can't find a link to the actual mod, @vast reef , but here's a lead: https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/100298-pbr-for-original-doom-textures/

[vast reef]

interesting

can you send me your file in a google drive or dropbox link (or whatever you use)

[sly oasis]

Cool; uploading to Onedrive real quick.

[last flower]

finally sorted out the master levels and no rest for the living WADS.

had to compress master levels into one main wad.

but its finally done.

ive got the entire classic doom on gzdoom now.

the ultimate doom
doom 2 hell on earth
master levels
doom 2: NRFTL
Final doom: TNT
Final doom: plutonia

[cosmic pagoda]

played through first half of tnt after a long while

until I realized how boring and unmemorable it is again

like 12 maps and I dont remember a single one

all samey hitscanners and stuff

[sly oasis]

Yeah, playing TNT now after No Rest, it's pretty bland.

[sly oasis]

Nice, you got this all in some kinda megawad now?

[finite crag]

Today I bought DOOM 2

[grave cypress]

Yea, tnt is more doom 1

[sly oasis]

Oh, man, when you're missing the LAST secret on a map and need to look it up...

[finite crag]

Can we talk about Doom WADs here or no?

[vast reef]

yes

[dapper flint]

Male sure you get the update. It just released

[sly oasis]

For GZ?

[dapper flint]

Yeah

[sly oasis]

Nice; any cool new features/additions?

[dapper flint]

4.8.1

[dapper flint]

• Update of the Vulkan backend
• Add +ONLYVISIBLEINMIRRORS and +INVISIBLEINMIRRORS actor flags. The former makes the actor only visible in reflections, while the latter makes the actor not cast reflections in mirrors. Modders can now enjoy creating vampire monsters!!!
• reinstated con_scale.
• Bugfix for software mode mirrors not working
• Fixed multiplayer crash

And more!

CLICK point_right https://zdoom.org/news

[sly oasis]

Thanks!

Heh, have no idea what any of that means...

[dapper flint]

Just drag and drop the new folders into your existing gz folder and you're set

[sly oasis]

Thanks, @dapper flint!

[dapper flint]

No worries

[cyan merlin]

Hello Everyone!

[jagged cloak]

Hi

[dapper flint]

https://imgur.com/a/7ZU8zXX

[cyan merlin]

Any tips on Doom modding?

[vast reef]

wdym

comment your code well

comments are fun to read if done right

cvars are nice but there is such a thing as too much customizability

mainly with skill validation and such

but hey, it's a doom mod

[cyan merlin]

ok

[pearl osprey]

Playing them or creating them?

[azure nimbus]

I'd like to see a slaughtermap with struggle's Leichenfaust. That thing is absurd. The tracers of this bfg replacement deal explosive damage. I really can't tell how powerful each explosion is, but it is able to melt absolutely anything(well except cybers cuz explosion immunity ofc)

[grave cypress]

I officaly have finished no rest for living

[tacit remnant]

I’ve reached the last 5 maps of Scythe, and I didn’t realize that it goes full slaughter. I’m intrigued but holy hell it’s demanding

[grave cypress]

You Go it!

[halcyon willow]

Fuck around and find out

Essentially find something you feel like making and get stuck in.

[azure nimbus]

The first rule of doom modding is that if it's a boom level with a single color theme, it's hard

[sick mist]

For weeks, months or even... years >.>

[halcyon willow]

forever

[tacit remnant]

I have found that I like to make maps that are almost constant pressure from nontrivial combat.

[hexed escarp]

Wait so was doom originally gonna be one continuous world?

How would that have worked enginewise, would there be some sort of primitive level streaming system?

[tacit remnant]

It apparently didn’t work

[stable tundra]

lets hope the a doom documentry film about its devolopment in 1993 comes out on 2023 with all the og devs

[hexed escarp]

Yeah figures

[half vault]

Anyone here familiar or know anything about bots or neural networks that play doom?

[slim willow]

masters of doom movie

[whole frigate]

hello everyone, so me and my friend made a doom remake, all with ms paint, and we need people to test it. we need people to tell us if something needs to be fixed, or if they dont like something, or anything good or bad about the game. here's the link to it: https://www.moddb.com/games/ms-paint-doom/downloads/ms-paint-doom .

[vast reef]

it is fine as it is

[cedar delta]

as a wise man once said "unf"

[jagged cloak]

Better then doom

[cosmic pagoda]

do you have stairs in your house

[serene viper]

what kind of question is that

[cosmic pagoda]

20 year old internet memes

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Pak Chooie Unf

[dapper flint]

https://imgur.com/a/y5TxDe4

[tacit remnant]

I have reached Scythe’s map28, “Run From It”
This level gives you 30 seconds to clear some platforming and combat. This is stupid enough that I’m just moving on to Going Down

[azure nimbus]

scythe2 map31 has a similar thing but worse. you have 11 s to grab every key and upended the secret exit while getting shot but plasma guys. it takes 11 s with nomonsters and sr50..

[hexed escarp]

is the room in doom 2 map 15 with the bfg and the pain elementals necessary to beating the level?

i hate that room so so much and will avoid it at all costs

[dapper flint]

Just use the invulnerability secret first

[hexed escarp]

idk where it is but i just got through that room with a decent amount of ammo and health left so ima just take it

how do i get that soul sphere and megaarmor tho

[dapper flint]

Mega can be found by dropping the stone structure into the love with a switch beside it. Going up the stairs with the lava. The soul you get by going to the top of the main wood structure and going up the top lift

[hexed escarp]

oh i see

i love the combat in this game, but i wish it just didnt have so many assholishly designed areas

i mostly just wish pain elementals didnt exist lmao

the main thing that frustrates me about them is how the lost souls that they shoot act as shields for them

[azure nimbus]

couple things you can do to cheese that room. The button that pops up is pressable before it's up. So you can head up the stairs before you're supposed to. And you can inch forward and grab the bfg before opening up the monsters and the like

[hexed escarp]

ah ok

the big wooden room was actually really cool

[azure nimbus]

I might actually prefer 13 to 15 idk

[hexed escarp]

14 was awesome

i didnt really like either 13 or 15

but 15 had some fun parts in it

[cedar delta]

yes why

[jolly urchin]

So I tried multiple doom ports today

Who thought Doom on GBA was a good idea

[slim willow]

i dunno

it aint much better on an actual gba

[prime lava]

Well, optimal is 9s on nomo, so there's a bit of leeway :p

[tacit remnant]

I had forgotten how much early Going Down loves hitscanners

[twilit rock]

gba doom is actually pretty good considering it's on gba

wolf3d gba port as well isn't awful it even has all 60 levels

[azure nimbus]

seeing weird console ports made me reconsider what it really means when we say "anything can run doom." Can it though? Psx doom for example takes a ton of liberties

[cosmic pagoda]

you said unf and as I proceeded to explain that you are quoting 20 year old internet memes

[twilit rock]

Some guy put a rasberry pi in an nes cartridge and used it to say "the nes can run doom"

[sly oasis]

Hey, this a good place to ask for advice on the Doom RPG?

I have an ancient iPad I'd like to try and run it on.

Anybody have experience?

[vast reef]

vulkan

looks more colorful and runs way better

[cosmic pagoda]

software still looks best though

[jolly urchin]

It runs well but the controls are so messy

Just feels uncomfortable to play

[cosmic pagoda]

modern rendering techniques look off with low detail environments like dooms maps

[twilit rock]

controls arent great but its gba some concessions had to be made

[vast reef]

yeah but ambient occlusion + lens distortion + fxaa looks good if you're playing at a lower resolution

i play at 720 x 450 because of my aspect ratio

looks bad at higher resolutions imo

just make sure stuff looks fuzzy

[twilit rock]

I agree

When people try to add all this new lighting effects and stuff it looks so off

[cosmic pagoda]

no filtering + software rendering = best, chunky pixels ftw and I will die on this hill

[twilit rock]

100% agree

Most people i think will agree with that tbh

[cosmic pagoda]

changes the art style I'd say

[pearl osprey]

With the right settings, specific gamma level, no antialiasing, no texture filtering, and some other tweaks you can get the performance upside of OpenGL/Vulkan while still looking close enough to the software renderer

[cosmic pagoda]

and the art style that it changes to seems uncohesive

[twilit rock]

you hit the nail on the head

Dooms original view was cohesive and clear vision from the devs

So many people just add whatever 4k rendering or ray tracing or whatever and it just looks tacky like they just slapped the newest thing on it

[vast reef]

that looks good

[vast reef]

4k sucks
ray tracing sucks

it's just ambient occlusion that i mainly like

[twilit rock]

It doesnt suck by itself but it sucks for doom

[vast reef]

it wouldn't look bad if it could be implemented into the og software renderer

[twilit rock]

Yeah maybe

Ive seen doom with ray tracing on a crt and it looked pretty cool

[vast reef]

oh yeah i love crt-style filters for doom

[vast reef]

https://imgur.com/X3h28uP.png

people who play it with reshade and a thousand different lighting effects need therapy though

[cosmic pagoda]

Ok that aint too horrible

Mouselook is a bit cheating on original maps tho, especially on something like plutonia which relies of having snipers out of autoaim range

[vast reef]

yes

[pearl osprey]

different strokes for different folks

[vast reef]

i only play with mouselook if the guy who made the wad said it was designed for that

[twilit rock]

i meant a real crt

tbh the filters don't really do it justice unless you have a real high resolution monitor

[vast reef]

yeah but i can't afford or find a crt

[twilit rock]

I feel that

I have one but they are freaking expensive

[vast reef]

my grandma had one at her house but it broke

[twilit rock]

Mine is from my family as well

[twilit rock]

Oh god mouselook 😭😭

Do not get me started

[vast reef]

i avoid mouselook like the plague

unless i'm playing heavily modded doom

by heavily, i mean almost a TC

[twilit rock]

I dont even use a mouse because my mouse sucks but I am okay with people using a mouse to control the game

But mouselook as in freelook is god awful

[sly oasis]

Are they worth something now?

I had one but I think I threw it out.

[sly oasis]

Also, I wanna say the RTX mod was rad and got me hooked right back into Classic Doom.

I did play on 320x200 with the CRT filter on a 1440p monitor though, and it was a total throwback, like playin Doom again as a kid.

[cosmic pagoda]

I just but the cheap logitech mice that cost like 7€ a pop, most comfortable, lacks all the gamer cringe and rgb and if it breaks, a new one costs less than a 6 pack of beer

[vast reef]

gamer mice suck (visually)

[sly oasis]

I now play with a setup that looks like this: https://imgur.com/k7h5HUM

[cosmic pagoda]

Yeah i prefer office mice, always have

[sly oasis]

Got myself a Razer Viper Mini or whatever it's called; wanted the extra buttons and DPI settings; it's got one RGB light that you can't really see when you play cos your hand obscures it, and the dock is pretty unobtrusive too, so that helps.

[twilit rock]

Gamer mice are fucking stupid hahaha i just mean my mouse is glitchy

Like the sensor doesnt work sometimes and it jumps around the screen

[cosmic pagoda]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gZOkD6pS2A

my preferred look, thats crispy on my wip pet project debut wad

[vast reef]

same

imo the office aesthetic looks way better than the gamer one

[cosmic pagoda]

altho I also play on dsda, which looks like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSFwmy1YHPM

[cosmic pagoda]

this so much this, has a grownup, mature look to it

[vast reef]

i love extra buttons and low-latency mice

just not the look of gaming mice

[twilit rock]

The extra buttons are not neccesary for me but i can see the need

[hasty sinew]

[vast reef]

they're very useful for macros

and in video games

[sly oasis]

Can appreciate both of these, but I like the unobtrusive modern additions; I keep gameplay as vanilla as possible though, still.

In GZDoom.

[dapper flint]

https://imgur.com/a/hMdYl8F

Just a simple classic doom machine

[sly oasis]

My man got an Ethics book up in there next to some demon slaying action. On brand.

[vast reef]

gzdoom doesn't have vanilla behavior iirc

it should work fine on doom strict compatibility but a lot of stuff won't be there

[sly oasis]

I'm aware, hence "as vanilla as possible". Have compatibility set to strict.

[dapper flint]

I'm a fan of history

[sly oasis]

It's a compliment! I'm into history myself, but more 20th century; ancient is too complicated for me at times.

[dapper flint]

I keep my world war things on the library shelves outside of this picture. Definitely a great period also

[jolly urchin]

That is true

Still impressive they got it to work decently

[sly oasis]

You into Hardcore History/Dan Carlin?

[dapper flint]

Well I used to teach it

[sly oasis]

Oh, that's interesting. But you a Dan Carlin fan or not? Asking cos that's how I really got into it.

[dapper flint]

Never really checked it out honestly

[rapid pulsar]

brutal doom is fucking awesome

[cosmic pagoda]

eh, it's novel at first, but that wears off fast

[twilit rock]

pretty much my take on it

[vast reef]

i disagree

would go into a detailed rant but i'd rather just say
-remove all the cosmetic shit and brutal doom is just doom with sniping and monsters that feel an ounce more aggressive

[twilit rock]

agreed

[vast reef]

so much more fun mods you could play

[sly oasis]

Look, it depends on how edit much of a purist you are, as DC definitely has a bit of a "rock star" quality to him (I mean that in a good way, in terms of his delivery and off the cuff observations), but he really has some great takes and makes it entertaining and relatable.

[iron inlet]

hello demons am JOIN TO KILL ALL OUR

[dapper flint]

I usually just read my history from primary secondary sources or if I'm in the mood documentaries. But I appreciate it.

[serene viper]

what

What is englas

[cosmic pagoda]

no john, you are the demons

[hexed escarp]

holy shit i just had an awesome idea

i wonder how sigil would look with rtx

oh it crashes is what happens

i wonder why