classic-doom

[azure nimbus]

sigil and deathless are really the only doom1 wads that I can think of

[vast reef]

good brutal doom forks? PB is cool but runs horribly

so far i've found brutal doom platinum and it seems really good

brutal doom black edition is also interesting

[finite crag]

We need Slaughter maps on XBOX for Doom II i saw some maps: Okuplok or Death in Excess // We need maps like this i think it makes a lot of fun to play maps with bout 20000 enemies. Possible to add it for Xbox?

Or the Map NUTS3 its a great map too

Summer of Slaughter is also a nice map

Chillax Map Pack is great too ^^ or is there a way to play this maps on xbox wich i just dont know ^_^ it would be so damn great to have mega maps like this in doom

[azure nimbus]

some of those are "boom"maps. there is almost no chance that boom engine maps ever get ported onto the vanilla unity port. The last set, Arrival has some larger setpieces. But there are other strong vanilla mapsets like scythe2 or Alien Vendetta that I'd like to see. In terms of the real enormous levels, they are oftentimes not vanilla.

[vast reef]

wait unity can't run boom maps?

[azure nimbus]

Bethesda's unity is vanilla. It does seem to be limit removing thoguh

[vast reef]

oh i see

[finite crag]

hm then we need all maps for xbox wich r playable 😄

[azure nimbus]

Not having buttons for fist or pistol or bfg is pretty annoying on xbox though. scroll wheel is terribly slow

[vast reef]

i think the freedoom app on the play store can run boom maps

[azure nimbus]

I think the difference is that that isn't being sold

[vast reef]

hm?

you can use IWADs with it

it's what i use to play doom on my phone

[azure nimbus]

as in that since that app isn't being sold, it can use boom

I could be totally misremembering that part to be fair

[finite crag]

is there a way to get maps for Xbox Series X ?

[vast reef]

oh

[azure nimbus]

Look, if you want to play more varied and larger maps(In HD uncapped FPS widescreen with custom controls(m&k or controller) for any map that you like from the last 30 years, I would have to recommend getting the game on steam and ripping the doom2.wad file into a folder with a fanmade engine like Woof or gzdoom or eternity

[vast reef]

pretty much anything can run doom

if you don't have a PC you can use a mobile device

[azure nimbus]

yeah they say that but it's not like the game plays well on the jaguar

[vast reef]

true but i don't think anybody these days is using a jaguar as a gaming system

[azure nimbus]

and "it playing" isn't the same as playing boom maps

[vast reef]

i meant most devices and consoles these days can play doom as long as you have the IWADs

[digital hornet]

i am. playstations are cringe

[vast reef]

hot damn

[azure nimbus]

I like the new console ports but if you really want big maps and more variety, pc is where to go

[finite crag]

hm dont have the game on pc o only play on xbox mhm thanks anyway

[vast reef]

you can rip the wad file from your xbox i think

it's all you need

or you can download freedoom and play wads with that

playing sunlust with freedoom only changes the sounds

[cosmic pagoda]

I am pretty sure, downloafing the iwads is morally ok if you own em on another media

I had to do it, mine are on cds, havent had a machine with a cd drive for a decade

[azure nimbus]

wouldn't spites be different too since sunlust makes no sprite changes except to the barrel

[vast reef]

no i mean

fsr the sprites are still all the doom sprites

maybe i'm just doing this wrong

but you have the freedoom sounds and doom sprites

[azure nimbus]

I suppose I can literally download freedoom and test it out. gimme a sec

[azure nimbus]

you're right.

[vast reef]

doesn't seem to happen with other wads

[azure nimbus]

Yeah I wonder why that is. Maybe sl uses the sprite fixing project

[vast reef]

i think so

[azure nimbus]

There's a big discussion on how to apply the sprite fixing project to sunlust on doomworld so maybe not

ig sl just has its own identical sprites for some reason

[vast reef]

just tried obsidian (the level generator) and the wads it makes are better than whatever i can make

[vast reef]

i feel like doom 2 gets a little too much flack for its crappy maps

when i first played it right after doom 1 i found it really cool

and 90's players also probably felt the same way

[cosmic pagoda]

It was fun back in the day yes

But nowadays theres better stuff

[kindred compass]

bruh why wont udoom run on prboom+

i just get glitched doom 2

[vast reef]

yes

[dapper flint]

I honestly find the corny map style charming lately

[vast reef]

same

also i just had this annoying-ass glitch halfway into a wad

i accidentally tried to switch to the chaingun instead of the shotgun, and i didn't have the chaingun

so i switched back to the shotgun, fired a shot, ran out of ammo and instinctively switched to the pistol

but then my weapons disappeared and wouldn't come back even after going into the next map

couldn't even switch to the fist

[warped jungle]

Genuinely there's not a single map in doom 2 I don't at least enjoy

Like, citadel and monster condo are a bit boring, but that's about it

[azure nimbus]

map03 maybe? It might be an ok DM level (idk) but as a level, it just has the least going on of any of doom2 that I can remember.

[vale gyro]

Not really a fork, but once it comes out, you could pair up Voxel Doom and Bolognese, if it works it might be fun with 3D models and gore.

[finite crag]

https://www.moddb.com/mods/duke-nukem-3d-weapons-monsters/downloads/duke-nukem-3d-v10b-monsters-only1

[vast reef]

what are some good doom wads you guys know of with cutscenes?

yes i am aware strife exists

[dapper flint]

Niceee

[halcyon willow]

Dark base by Jimmy. It's amazing

[vast reef]

thank you

[halcyon willow]

I think the full name is st alfonzo's dark base

[spice radish]

Isn’t there a source port that runs a Duke Nukem in Doom mod? Can’t think of it off the top of my head I think the port had like a 3 in the name or something idk.

[slim willow]

3dge?

[vast reef]

can a 32-level megawad that adds a few new enemies and weapons be considered a new game?

doom 2 is considered a different game from doom 1

[pearl osprey]

Id software considers it a new game

but pretty much everyone groups doom 1 + 2 + final doom and refers to them as 'classic doom' or 'og doom'

so I wouldn't call them standalone games unless they make significant changes

[vast reef]

i see

[vast reef]

what's caley short for?

caleb?

[lost thunder]

you can pretty much consider any megawad as another game entirely

hell you can count several episodes as different games entirely

[cosmic pagoda]

I am gonna do some further NM play today I think

e3m2 got old fast, I dont like the map and died a lot so stopped my enthusiasm 😄

[azure nimbus]

e3m2 isn't too bad if you can get the megaarmor quickly. If you have the mega and the plasma, then you should be good to go

[cosmic pagoda]

Probably need to practise hitting the plasma secret better without getting cornered

NM is so punishing especially without armor

You go from 100 to dead in a blink

[finite crag]

Updated, Redownload it

[dapper flint]

Honestly doom 93 nightmare was a really great time. I didn't enjoy 2 as much though

[azure nimbus]

e3 nm is dare I say fair

[wise notch]

Hey does anyone know a wad or mod that adds Doom 2 shit (monsters and SSG) into Doom 1?

[azure nimbus]

e1 has m3 and m9 which are h&ck, e2 is mostly chill but m6 is maybe the hardest doom93 level. e3 is pretty chill. e4 is terribly difficult(m1 and m6. and m4's start imo).

doom2 has a mostly chill first episode but map04 is terrible pistol start. How hard e2 is for you is kiiinda reliant on whether you go for the PE secret. And then e3 is mostly chill except map29....oh wait no map22 is terrible. So maybe doom2 e2 and doom1 e3 are the best NM episodes

[wise notch]

im sorry, how do you download it

[pearl osprey]

Open the files tab -> click doom II in Doom -> wait for it to download -> extract the .pk3 file from the .rar file -> drag and drop said .pk3 file on gzdoom.exe

[wise notch]

ok thanks

[azure nimbus]

I don't think that this is, strictly speaking, legal

The code is open source but the art(textures and sprites is not)

[pearl osprey]

oh, I'll delete the link then

also in that case, wouldn't brutal doom be illegal too?

it has sprites of doomguy's face in the pk file, the exact same ones in doom 1/2

imo the only thing that matters is if it's moral or not rather than legal/illegal but I will still respect the server's rules

[untold hawk]

How can i play DOOM I&II in coop with my friends online/through LAN emulation? (preferrably ZDOOM/GZDOOM based sourceport)

[pearl osprey]

Zandronum is based on a slightly older version of GZDoom, it is a source port made specifically for online multiplayer doom

[untold hawk]

does it have a campaign coop mode?

also

afaik zandronum is based on skulltag

thank you anyway!

[pearl osprey]

You can play the doom 1/2 campaigns in coop

And you can play with any mod you want

[untold hawk]

https://c.tenor.com/r0H75UpixM0AAAAd/binding-of.gif

Thanks!

A lot

[pearl osprey]

Np

[untold hawk]

including ProjectBrutality?

[untold hawk]

could you help me how to host?

nvm

figured it out

[wise notch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQYwTpRYKwg&ab_channel=Coincident this man

[pearl osprey]

I believe yes

[pearl osprey]

You can host a local game using doomseeker (preinstalled with zandronum) or use a free service to host them publicly

https://allfearthesentinel.net/

[vocal summit]

no

PB uses zscript, which zandronum being a severely outdated version of gzdoom, doesnt support

[dapper flint]

One of the best sounds killing those things with the ssg

[vivid vine]

BLAOOM WRWRWRRRWRRRR

[vernal thunder]

Why did they call it the super shotgun and not double barrel?
I'm not bashing the name I think it sound so much cooler than double barrel I'm just kinda curious

[vocal summit]

Double the gun, double the fun.

[vernal thunder]

Understandable

[azure nimbus]

it really is something that the most famous weapons in doom are the chainsaw, ssg, and bfg when one is...a landscaping tool, and another is a 200 year old relic

[dapper flint]

Perfection is perfection

[tacit remnant]

To quote Civvie11: “It’s just better……..if Batman were a gun, he’d be a super shotgun”
Double barrel doesn’t quite communicate the sheer might of the SSG.

On a kind of related note, the chaingun in Doom isn’t actually a chaingun. It’s a portable gatling gun. A chaingun is technically a large gun held in place with chains

[azure nimbus]

does it change depending on who's using it? Your chaingun has one barrel(as does the dropped weapon sprite) but the former human's chaingun has multiple barrels)

[violet sundial]

#screenshots Is it possible to escape this location

I'm very scared that I am now trapped in hell forever

[azure nimbus]

is this e2m4? you can push one of the walls

[violet sundial]

Yes

I shot through the wall I think

I heard something screaming on the other side

It is very scary

[azure nimbus]

well, you're stuck there unless you open the wall. But no worries really, you have the plasma

[marsh edge]

how can it be that im having triuble playing doom 1993 on a ps4?

[vast reef]

e3m2 on nightmare is pure suffering

[azure nimbus]

highly recommend a -nomonsters exploration so you get a real good mental map of where everything is. There is a megaarmor and berserk hidden in the...slough?

[vast reef]

actually that'd help a lot

thank you

[storm ridge]

well if are a good player whit the berseeker can helps so mcuh cuz kilos in a hit

[vast reef]

what

[storm ridge]

ah freaking texto corrector

[vast reef]

oh

berserk packs are very useful, yes

in the OG games they're just drugs of some sort i believe

[dapper flint]

Unity isn't the best

[storm ridge]

if u are a good player whit the berserker hability can helps so muy cuz kills in a hit

[dapper flint]

Map is actually super short. I just found it boring

[vast reef]

i am bad at the game

[azure nimbus]

it's easy to get lost in there if you don'tn know what you're doing. Personally though, I did not use much berserk on that level or NM generally. double ammo ofc

[violet sundial]

It turns out that I do not in fact have the plasma

Is it even possible to get back upstairs

I'm scared

There's two barons of hell, a bunch of cacodemons and imps, and all I have is a single ammo bag's worth of ammo and a chainsaw

[vast reef]

looks pretty cool
https://www.moddb.com/games/doom-ii/addons/doom-2-project-remap

might play it with one of those brutal doom style mods since that's what the cool kids are doing these days

[finite crag]

wow

[restive sleet]

just bought dooom 1993

yay

[vale gyro]

What port you using? Curious for some reason

[restive sleet]

i just got it off steam

[vale gyro]

Oh, so you’ll have both dosbox and Unity

[restive sleet]

i have no clue

i dont really know about ports and stuff

[vale gyro]

I use dosbox, which uses the original files

The Unity port is the official source port using the Unity engine

[restive sleet]

ohhhhh ok

[vale gyro]

It’s modern and has some built in addons

You can tell which one is which by just booting it up

[vast reef]

would rather use crispy doom

or dsda-doom

[restive sleet]

ok

i'll reboot it

[vale gyro]

I’m the pure vanilla guy of any game that does not require modding, so of course I’m going to be biased

Might try out crispy though

[vast reef]

crispy doom is vanilla doom with higher resolution and an optional crosshair

some other cool features too

[vale gyro]

I’d heard

[vast reef]

main port i use for vanilla gameplay

[vale gyro]

Idk why, I like being in pixel land

[vast reef]

you can turn it down then

[vale gyro]

And the sound card 16 sound

[vast reef]

i like that too

[restive sleet]

ok so it said nerve after the bethesda and id intros if that helps

[vast reef]

thankfully crispy has settings for those

[vale gyro]

Unity

[vale gyro]

Might try crispy then

[restive sleet]

ok

[finite crag]

Crispy Moment Chocolate Moment

[vale gyro]

There is one thing crispy does not have that I’m aware of that dosbox has

Entering billions lines of text to start the darn thing up

[vast reef]

that too

[vale gyro]

That is if your not using auto execute

[vast reef]

i use a launcher that automatically generates a command because i have my doom files in a directory that's under quite a few folders so it's a pain to type out

[vale gyro]

It’s your choice on what source port in the wide range of them to use pretty much

[vale gyro]

I have it automatically mount

So I just have to type in what I need

Sometimes DeHackED for basic mod loading when I use WhackEd

Rarely the setup file

Well, doom for doom

More convenient for me

As I work with multiple programs in the directory

[vast reef]

cool

i use the launcher because i'm lazy

[vale gyro]

Though, crispy will be an option if it can run demos

And accept the vanilla saves I got

[vast reef]

i believe it can

but i'm not sure

[hidden snow]

hey so i wanted to play doom 2 with a friend, is there any wads you would personally recommend

[lost thunder]

Crispy maintains demo compatibility with dos doom

[vale gyro]

Oh good, because I like sometimes recording random demos to see what time I get on a level and see how I improve over time

[vale gyro]

I forgot to mention, but the dosbox version Steam gives, for some reason does not give you all of the vanilla files, so you can’t set custom controls for it unless you supply the original files yourself. The Unity port has the control bindings option built in as you may have notices if you’ve been using the Unity port.

[restive sleet]

kk

[vale gyro]

And if you were to use dos, you need the original files as I said and knowledge on both dosbox and MS-DOS

Chocolate Doom and Crispy Doom are easier to set up from what I’ve heard

But still give a vanilla experience

[restive sleet]

ok ty

[vale gyro]

Unity gives vanilla as well

[dapper flint]

[azure nimbus]

...how do you not have the plasma? I see weapon 6 ticked in the screenshot

[cosmic pagoda]

Trumped by their death sound, when you pop a rocket around the cornet and it hits a bit later

The sound of success

[last flower]

Guys is final doom included within classic doom?

Man knee deep in the dead on ultra violence is too ez.

The maps of Thy flesh consumed was extremely tough on 1st try.

Tho I completed all 4 episodes on hurt me plenty.

Next imma do shores of Hell on ultra violence

[azure nimbus]

yes

[vast reef]

never knew classic doom had movement tech this complex
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/87199-the-doom-movement-bible/

[violet sundial]

I fell into the hole too early and only had 50 plasma, 20 bullets, a bunch of shotgun shells and a chainsaw

I finally found the way back upstairs though

[last flower]

THY FLESH CONSUMED was hell even on hurt me plenty, i kept losing health cuz of FLOOR IS LAVA.

Tho i dont mind the huge amount of imps and zombie soldiers.

[vocal summit]

most if not all of that is unintentional

[vast reef]

yeah

obviously

it doesn't have to be intentional to be fun to use, quake's movement is an example of that

[azure nimbus]

they didn't even know about sr40 on release date 1993

[dapper flint]

Go for the secret bfg

[last flower]

its ok i have plenty of BFG and i completed the entire THY FLESH CONSUMED.

[dapper flint]

Plenty of bfg?

[azure nimbus]

ayy

[vast reef]

i also have many bfg

[violet sundial]

I cleared fortress of mystery for the first time

[last flower]

yeah there are plenty of cell batteries and BFGs lying around various maps.

Guys whihc one should i play 1st: final doom TNT or final doom PLUTONIA.

[azure nimbus]

play plutonia first and...skip tnt imo. It's your right to try it, but it hasn't aged well

[tacit remnant]

I’ve started playing TNT again and it’s much better than I remembered

It’s definitely easier than Plutonia btw, so if you’re playing both play TNT first

[dapper flint]

Map 2 of thy flesh. The bfg secret makes that map a cake walk. Which I was talking about

[hexed escarp]

Is it just me or does the music for map28 use the melody from e2m2

[azure nimbus]

Can you link to the parts of the song that sound similar. I don't hear it tbh

[hexed escarp]

1:41 of e2m2 and 0:34 of map28

[azure nimbus]

I wonder if that's the "12 blues progression." idk sounds like a scale but idk music. it does sound similar

[hexed escarp]

no, thats not 12 bar blues

12 bar blues is 1, 1, 4, 1, 5, 4, 1, 1

[azure nimbus]

idk any music. all I knnow is that it's kinda similar to each other, the pieces

[azure nimbus]

does anyone know how "weapon swap when getting ammo for empty weapon" works? If you are totally out of ammo with all weapons equipped: if you have the fist out and collect a backpack, you switch to the RL. If instead, you have the pistol out, you swap to the plasma.

[dapper flint]

That's interesting. No idea why. I always assumed it switched to the next most powerful weapon

[azure nimbus]

backpacks are the only way to introduce ambiguity with this type of thing since otherwise, only one weapon type can be switched to(ssg and bfg are not considered as swap options for this. oversight?)

with pistol out and nonempty cells, you switch to shotgun. if both shotgun and plasma aren't empty, then you switch to nothing. stay on pistol.

and with fist, it prioritizes rocket, then plasma, then shotgun.

So I guess the priority is rocket(if from fist) > plasma > shotgun > chaingun(if from fist) = pistol(if from pistol). Which is super strange since the "out of ammo swap priority" is plasma > ssg > chaingun > sg > pistol > chainsaw > RL > BFG > fist

[dapper flint]

I'd definitely say oversight

Seems strange

[azure nimbus]

I thought of this cuz doomkid swapped to RL after running into a backpack when empty ammo. he was surprised that it was like that

[vast reef]

good outdoorsy exploration levels?

[lost thunder]

lost civilization by jaska

[vast reef]

thank you

[last flower]

Ok here we go: shores of Hell on ultra violence.

[vale gyro]

Apparently, the Unity version always does SR50 for base strafing value

At least from what I heard

So what I said was probably wrong, mostly vanilla besides strafing

[azure nimbus]

unity does run on the old doom engine so is fully vanilla least in some sense. But it having sr50 automated(and no demos) does put it in a unique category where people probably wouldn't speedrun at all but it IS an official version so they do. you're right

[vale gyro]

Console and Unity port players having a fun time speed running it then

[azure nimbus]

until their game crashes

[vast reef]

lmfao

[cosmic pagoda]

I used idclip to skip a platforming puzzle on doom zero this morning and I am not ashamed

they are getting obnoxious

fun fights in that wad, but the timed platforming puzzles are getting on my nerves

[glass oar]

Hey i`m a new Doomplayer and i already love this Game

[vast reef]

'

but yes classic doom is very charming

[cosmic pagoda]

wait unity does SR50 by default?

[azure nimbus]

cconsole unity yes. never really touched the [c unuity version

[dapper flint]

You still need to be at an angle for the sr50 to work properly

[azure nimbus]

true. so it can kinda throw you off if you're used to the usual sr40 angle

[prime lava]

unity is auto SR50 on keyboard, for controller it depends

some controllers don't do sr50 (most) some do

[azure nimbus]

can you do grabs like e4m1's or e4m6's red key grabs on gzdoom?

[wise notch]

Kinda not Doom related but is it worth it to buy the remake of Quake from Steam? And where can i buy the original version? It doesn't seem to be available on steam.

[azure nimbus]

imo the gameplay feels more dated, but maybe there is custom content available that I never figured out how to play

[vocal summit]

it is on steam

if you buy quake it just comes with the remaster

and the original

[wise notch]

ahhhh

really?
that's cool

[vocal summit]

doom does the same

[royal heron]

Nope

GZDoom fixes collision problems like mancubus fireball clipping, mastermind hitbox, etc

[dapper flint]

I didn't know that! Hmm that's pretty lame then.

[dapper flint]

You can also punch mancubus

Like all the time

[azure nimbus]

yeah whereas in vanilla it's jank, even if technically doable. Sawing arachnos on gzdoom is a truly uncanny experience

[dapper flint]

It feels great. I honestly tried to go back to unity but I just can't

[vocal summit]

there should be some non-mapset addons

[hexed escarp]

how hard would it be to make an unreal engine project that can load levels from doom wad files

just vanilla wads

[finite crag]

Updated

[pearl osprey]

The structure for wad files isn't too complicated, if you're good at using UE you can probably achieve this in a relatively short timeframe

[low ore]

I havent been doomin in ages, is there any new banger mods I need to check out? or just some really good wad

[azure nimbus]

heartland

[low ore]

this seems pretty good damn, thanks

[finite crag]

try Auger;Zenith

[low ore]

this looks amazing too, thanks

[vocal summit]

play ashes afterglow

infested is a pretty fun one too

[low ore]

oh those are out? I only played 2063

[vocal summit]

yes

[visual hamlet]

does anyone know how i could play doom 1 and 2 online ?

[cold sentinel]

doomseeker

or are u talking about in web browser?

[visual hamlet]

no like multiplayer with my friends and stuff

[cold sentinel]

doomseeker

it comes with zandronum

or you can download it urself

[visual hamlet]

thanks a lot man :)

[hexed escarp]

to install this, would i just put the pk3 in my gzdoom folder? https://www.moddb.com/mods/delashins-smooth-doom-remake

i put it in there but it doesnt seem to be installed

[vast reef]

wait a minute

the arch-vile has a 0.78% chance to spawn in the icon of sin fight?

how did i get 3 of them

[azure nimbus]

skill

[vale gyro]

To use mods with GZDoom, you need to drag the .pk3 file onto GZDoom

[hexed escarp]

oh

is there no way to make it automatically load when you just run the exe?

[vale gyro]

No

You can use a batch file though

Forgot what to type in though

[azure nimbus]

ZDL is super helpful with loading stuff. I have no idea how files work and ZDL makes it work

[vale gyro]

Have not used GZDoom in a while, been using exclusively dosbox

[vast reef]

https://youtu.be/34HfmGvUJIM

although

i would recommend doomrunner over zdl

so much better imo

[dapper flint]

I've been having issues with 3.1

Had to go to 3.2 again

[vast reef]

https://github.com/Youda008/DoomRunner

[hexed escarp]

ok

[azure nimbus]

I have 3-1.1. I would expect 3.2 to be better, but no reason to swap out my launcher rn

[hexed escarp]

holy shit i cannot believe how much difference music makes to a game

i just replayed knee deep in the dead with the idkfa soundtrack mod on, and it almost felt like a completely different game

the music made it so much more intense

[gusty falcon]

That soundtrack is so good I can't play base doom 1 without it

[visual hamlet]

how does someone play doom 1 without the music to begin with

[vast reef]

when you've heard the midis way too many times

[drowsy thorn]

Hey anybody wanna play some deathmatch?

[vast reef]

oh by the way

if you're having trouble with a wad

i'd recommend booting it up with hideous destructor

makes it way easier tbh

actually don't run it with okuplok

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/882936891673038899/979646208047976458/unknown.png

[cosmic pagoda]

I wish I had mroe space home

saw a pristine 486 for sale lately

with a nice crt and all

could be the ultimate dooming machine

[vast reef]

damn

[violet sundial]

The wiki for e3m4 makes it sound so easy

I keep running out of ammo

[azure nimbus]

there's a berserk in the left room if you didn't find it. Gives you a really strong punch for the rest of the level

Anywhere that we know of that a PWAD makes use of the odd teleportation in CL4?

[north estuary]

Is this the place to talk about doom 1 and 2?

[gusty falcon]

Yeah

[north estuary]

Cool

[hexed escarp]

When I was playing e1 with the idkfa soundtrack, there was a moment of absolutely perfect timing in e1m8

So sign of evil in e1m8 starts out as just strings and choir voices, and then the metal kicks in later, and I had rockets from the previous level, so I was able to beat the barons pretty quickly, and I beat them at just the right time that the walls lowered right as the metal kicked in

It was awesome

[vast reef]

lucky

[last flower]

Type this code on the code panel in gzdoom: iddqd, it will activate permanent God mode type the same command and u can turn it off.

[azure nimbus]

that's not just GZdoom. IDDQD has been there since the beginning on dos in 1993. IDDQD won't protect you from level ending 20 damage floor like e1m8's(invuln powerups and idbeholdv does though) nor does it defend against telefrags(usually. some ports allow you to change that behavior in settings)

[last flower]

It defends against all enemy attacks and even floor damage.

[azure nimbus]

yep. check out decino's video or doomwiki if you want more info on cheats. idclip and idkfa are the other two commonly used ones

[dapper flint]

But why

[hexed escarp]

If I have the doom 1 bfg edition wad, will I have issues if I try to cross play with someone who has the proper doom 1 wad?

[pearl osprey]

In my experience it doesn't allow to play with someone else you at all

[leaden abyss]

this is related to doom II slade sound modifications, general question, is there a mod to allow a sound file to complete without being cut off? for example, if I make a custom super shotgun sound it gets cut off from the reload sound. Any mods, scripts, sndinfo, or sndseq to fix this?

[wise notch]

Making Doom maps is hella hard

i have troubles just thinking about the level start

[river warren]

I don’t even know how to make doom maps lol

[wise notch]

Uh ok i have trouble making a door work

For some reason

when i use the door

it melts into the ground for a bit and then just fucks everything up aside from the starting room

i know about the sector 0 shit so i changed the sector to sector 1 and it still happens

[azure nimbus]

it's not sector 0; it's tag 0. Maybe that's it? Sectors are types of floors(mostly pertaining to lighting and damaging floors) whereas the tag links triggers and triggerables.

[wise notch]

Ok it works now

dang that is complicated for now

[cosmic pagoda]

nothing like running into a bunch of meatballs, sighing, then remembering you have a bfg

doom zero really likes the meatballs

[dapper flint]

Really was not a fan of zero. Only because of those puzzle breaks slowing down the pacing

[cosmic pagoda]

same, I even used idclip on one, because it pissed me off

but im at map23 and might as well see it to the end

[dapper flint]

Yeah. I finished it but the puzzles need to go lol

[halcyon willow]

puzzles in doom

[dapper flint]

I'm guessing the map makers was a fan of legend of Zelda

[halcyon willow]

lol

[azure nimbus]

Tangerine Nightmare has an ok "puzzle" in map 07

watching GDQ for doom is cool because dime zooms but sad cuz the coach is full of misinfo. Misremembering exact values on bfg tracers, that makes sense. But saying that armor protection value is dependent on armor percent isn't right(it depends on which of these things happened last: green armor or getting zero armor(sets to 1/3); or blue armor, or megasphere(sets to 1/2).

[fickle adder]

[heady berry]

Hello! I’m trying to make my own doom WAD. I do need some help so if there’s anyone out there that can help me it would be much appreciated!

[leaden abyss]

@heady berry what you having problems with?

[heady berry]

@leaden abyss building opening doors and actually being able to play the maps

[leaden abyss]

@heady berry you can pm me if you like

[rough escarp]

Anyone Here got skulltag

[vast reef]

i like simple puzzles tbh

idk what the ones in doom zero are like though

[vast reef]

what's GDQ

oh gamesdonequick

sorry for the ping

[dapper flint]

Ass

[vast reef]

time to practice typing idclip then

[hexed escarp]

what are the limits of what qualifies something to be a source port

because in cases like unity, it just seems like its just a completely new engine that just reads from the same files that was not derived from the original source in any way, why is it still considered a source port

[dapper flint]

It's not a new engine at all funny enough

[hexed escarp]

huh

wait doesnt the name imply that its done in the unity game engine?

and as far as i know unity engine ≠ id tech 1

[vast reef]

made with unity but has id tech 1 code

[vast reef]

that is a source port

iirc

[hexed escarp]

oh interesting

[vast reef]

that is if i'm correct

oh wait isn't doom id tech 2

wasn't wolfenstein 3d id tech 1

[hexed escarp]

oh yeah right

no

[vast reef]

oh

[hexed escarp]

wolfenstein was id tech 0

[vast reef]

cool

[cosmic pagoda]

thanks to a lot of dooming recently I have gotten better again

made it to plutonia map06 without dying

[dapper flint]

Its all practice! Right on !

[tacit remnant]

I tried Knee Deep in the Dead on Nightmare and it’s way more of a meat grinder than I remembered. Always underestimating how long demons take to respawn and how fast/accurately they can hit.

[dapper flint]

When you do kill them on nightmare though they have a slower attack reaction which you can use to your advantage

[tacit remnant]

That’s true

So far it hasn’t made much difference

[vale gyro]

I’m mad right now that a level in Episode 1 kept getting me killed over and over again on Hurt me Plenty, probably RNG decided to screw me over with hitscan

Or, I’m just bad

[wheat pawn]

Nobody's bad it's just your having a hard time getting it

[vale gyro]

Thing is

I’ve completed Episode 1 multiple times on that difficultly

[wheat pawn]

Oh 😳

[vale gyro]

So I bet it was RNG

[wheat pawn]

Probably

[vale gyro]

And recently on episode 2

[wheat pawn]

On this doom?

[vale gyro]

I kept dying on E2M6 because I got stuck with 3 hp due to being cornered by pinkies and shotgunners and there was a lava floor I had to cross, finally crossed it after calculating the tic rate 4 minutes later

[wheat pawn]

Like doom 1 or 2

[vale gyro]

Isn’t Ultimate Doom the only doom game with episodes?

[wheat pawn]

Nope or I just have another version

[vale gyro]

Doom 1

Aka Ultimate Doom

[wheat pawn]

Ok

Then it's rng

Because I don't have a problem with the episodes

[vale gyro]

I’m unlucky as hell a lot of the time so I get bad RNG calls sometimes

[wheat pawn]

Yeah I believe you

Have you tried their mods because I want to try one

?

[vale gyro]

Who is “their”?

[wheat pawn]

Oh umm btsx that one

[vale gyro]

No

I am a vanilla guy most of the time

Rarely touched Gzdoom, or any source port for that matter

[wheat pawn]

Oh ok

[pearl osprey]

BTSX is vanilla compatible tho

[vale gyro]

Oh

[wheat pawn]

It is?

[pearl osprey]

Back to Saturn X is a series of megawads for Doom II, designed to be compatible with DOOM2.EXE.

[vale gyro]

It’s for doom 2 tho

[wheat pawn]

I'm playing doom 1

[vale gyro]

I only got Ultimate doom right now

[pearl osprey]

Alr

[vale gyro]

Need to get Doom 2 soon

[wheat pawn]

Let me do this real quick and send a picture

[vale gyro]

That is once I’m done with episode 4

[wheat pawn]

I have doom 2

I'll show y'all what it is

Cause I can't send the pictures to the channel for some reason

[pearl osprey]

You can in #screenshots

[wheat pawn]

Oh ok

[wheat pawn]

I'm back

[north estuary]

I have been playing doom in freedoom android,is there an alternative for that?

[wheat pawn]

No I don't think so y

[vast reef]

delta touch but it costs money and there isn't any way to pirate it

i'm fine with pirating delta touch because all the source ports it uses are free anyway

[wheat pawn]

I didn't know that thank you

[wheat pawn]

I'm back just went through doom eternal fortress and played doom 2

[north estuary]

I tried but it isn't working so my choice is freedoom

Which is decent and can run majority of wads

But i cant say the same about mods

The only mod i can run is brutal doom which is amazing but i wanna try different mods

[vast reef]

what mods have you tried with it so far

[north estuary]

Golden souls 1/2

And ashes 2063

[vast reef]

do they work

i mean they probably don't since you said you can only run BD but try something like demonsteele

or a monster pack like project malice or complex doom

[north estuary]

Demonsteele works

Cool mod

What's the other pk3 file for tho?

[wheat pawn]

Idk

[north estuary]

I wanted to try ashes the most and it does not work

[azure nimbus]

the way that doomkid's described it as that unity is the "shell" to receive player inputs but the actual engine runs the same code that dos did.

[candid birch]

I'm guessing classic shots go into #screenshots too?

[azure nimbus]

yes

[candid birch]

Ok cause got one from HXTRC mod XD

[north estuary]

The mods you can run in freedoom is kinda limited i wish they have a compatibility list

[pearl osprey]

Any mod that you can run in doom 1 and 2 can be ran in freedoom

Freedoom is just a IWAD replacement it doesn't change the engine

only the default assets

[north estuary]

If that's the case then my mod source is faulty

[pearl osprey]

Make sure you have the latest version of GZDoom if you want the most mod compatibility

And that you have both freedoom phase 1 and 2

[north estuary]

I dont even know the version of gzdoom used in freedoom

[pearl osprey]

Oh you're talking about freedoom for android and not about freedoom the IWAD

That uses a 3 year old version of GZDoom so it won't work with some mods

If you want a newer version go with Delta Touch app instead

If you can't afford it no worries, just contact the developers and they'll give you it for free

[north estuary]

Where do i get in touch with them

[pearl osprey]

There is a 'Developer contact' button in Delta Touch's page on google play

[azure nimbus]

does TNT or Plutonia have more textures than doom2 or is it just different textures?

[north estuary]

Dang its my first time asking for a paid software to be given free from the devs,i will be guilty after this

[pearl osprey]

Don't worry, the doom engine is free and open source, this means they are legally required to give you it for free

And regardless of what law says, the devs are very nice people they don't mind giving it for free

[pearl osprey]

Doom II - 427 Textures
Plutonia - 504 Textures
TNT - 561 Textures

[azure nimbus]

hm are pwads limited to however many textures there are in the IWAD? In which case TNT would be the best for modding

[pearl osprey]

You can add unlimited textures in PWADs, you don't have to replace currently existing ones

[azure nimbus]

ok danke

[vast reef]

are there any good flashlight mods

the one in darkdoomz lags my pc

ngl though it adds tactical variety to the game, i have to sacrifice frames for visibility

[past field]

I heard that zandronum is finally implementing zscript support

[vast reef]

that would be massive

when zscript support drops i'm throwing a party

[cosmic pagoda]

one thing that this doom zero playthrough has taught me, is to embrace the chaingun

it gives so much bullets that you are constantly maxed out

and its quite effective against smaller groups

and close quarters revenants

stun lock is king

[white mason]

In my opinion old doom is better than modern doom. I might be biased tho because i grew up with doom 1 and 2.

[vernal thunder]

It's definitely got a different vibe to it. Old doom is more mazy and slightly spooky at times while new doom is just kill everything and kill more of everything and by the way ya see that? Yea kill that

I'd say I like classic aswell more than modern but modern has a totally different feel. You like slower paced games? Doom and Doom 2 are good but if you like more faster paced bloodbaths with tons of crap to kill Doom 2016 and Doom eternal are both good

Also doom 1 and 2 just have such a different charm to them

[azure nimbus]

full fledged classic doom slaughter maps have astronomically higher kills per second than any contemporary doom iteration

[tacit remnant]

Doom 1 is pretty mazey. Doom 2 goes back and forth between mazes and fights everywhere. Plutonia is pretty heavy on combat

[azure nimbus]

I know my way around now, years later, but when I first started that's why I liked doom2 more. I got starting at m4 in e1, m3 in e2, m3 in e4 and m4 in e4

[vocal summit]

doom 2 level design is meh at best in my opinion

[hexed escarp]

I kinda wanna make an unreal engine remake of doom 1 that loads the levels from the wad

But has more realistic textures and had models for the enemies and weapons

[dapper flint]

It usually doesn't end up looking to good personally

[hexed escarp]

Yeah, most of the ones that people try to do look really cursed lmao

I feel like it was executed properly, it would look amazing tho, (I likely would not be able to execute it properly lol)

[plain orbit]

Someone know how I can play deathmatch on ZDoom?

[hexed escarp]

Zandronum

Multiplayer fork of zdoom

[plain orbit]

I used it but I just found servers for join.

Its posible for example play E1M1 on deathmatch mode?

[hexed escarp]

You could host your own server

Idk much how it works

[plain orbit]

Oh I already did it, but how I can make it withouth monsters?

[vocal summit]

this is the exact same concept as doom remake 4 and you know how that turned out (im glad it was taken down)

[hexed escarp]

i dont know how that turned out ive never seen that before lmao

[vocal summit]

it got taken down by zenimax

[hexed escarp]

why?

[vocal summit]

i was distributing iwads

it got reuploaded with freedoom as a way to bypass that

but that got taken down too

now i think there's a version of it up with the mod only on moddb

[hexed escarp]

oh

thats why my idea was to make it load the map files from the wad

[vast reef]

ugly

even just the neural upscale looks bad imo

imo best way to modernize classic doom graphically is the minor sprite fixing project and the smooth doom weapons

maybe smooth monsters but those feel weird and i have trouble doing the revenant dance with it

[hexed escarp]

idk i feel like the only reason it looks bad is bc people are so used to the original version that they dont like anything different

[dapper flint]

Classic has a art style that's just amazing and beloved by many. Alot of its charm and lasting power comes from its atheistic

[vast reef]

i heavily disagree

i loved how the neural upscale looked in the poster on the doomworld post

but in gameplay it's just not it

you have high-ass resolution textures obviously trying to be realistic and then very simple geometry

not as bad as those HD minecraft texture packs but comparable imo

[vast reef]

i play with EVP a lot and love it

it reskins the enemies and weapons

i also sometimes play with angled vanilla weapons because sometimes it's nice to see different things

hell i even use freedoom to play a wad sometimes just because it looks different

[vast reef]

it could work but you'd have to completely remake the levels to be more detailed so the monsters don't look janky compared to the simple geometry

man i went on a rant

[median haven]

after playing doom II for like a week "normal" shooters feel weird

[vast reef]

you move so slowly in most modern shooters

[median haven]

reload is also a bit annoying

and camping can be way to easy

imagine doom with a musket

pain

[vast reef]

i dislike multiplayer games that reward camping

[median haven]

a way to discourage camping without giving up the camping spots is to make your gun louder and less accurate the longer you stand still

[vast reef]

yes

[median haven]

a camping spot would be a spot where there is cover and only 1 or 2 ways to get there where it would be easy to kill anyone going through that spot

[vast reef]

mhm

[median haven]

simply adding a way to get there from behind where the camper would be facing helps a lot

the problem of camping isnt as hard to fix as most people think

[vast reef]

that is true

[gusty falcon]

recently got a taste of modern shooters with the original call of duty 4 modern warfare it feels far better than I expected it to

As far as normal shooters go

[median haven]

Ive played a bit of tf2

its pretty good

[vast reef]

are you gonna try out the modern boomer shooters

[gusty falcon]

I already have

[vast reef]

oh cool

[gusty falcon]

Dusk, ion fury, and More

[median haven]

what if doom had a reload

[vast reef]

what about ultrakill

[gusty falcon]

Yes

[vast reef]

nice

[gusty falcon]

That's an easy question to answer

[vast reef]

i've played quite a few mods with a reload

[gusty falcon]

Just play a mod that adds it

Yeah

[vast reef]

all it really does is that it makes you take cover for a bit while you reload

[median haven]

but there isnt really much cover in doom

[vast reef]

depends on the map

[gusty falcon]

there actually is more than you'd expect

[left charm]

what if classic doom had modern doom mechanics

[vast reef]

there are tons of mods that do that

they're okay imo

[gusty falcon]

Again just play a mod that does that and find out

[median haven]

my dad has doom eternal but ive never played it

[vast reef]

classic doom maps aren't designed around nu-doom mechanics

although i will say the doom 2016 weapons and monsters in d4t are very fun

[gusty falcon]

Playing cod 4 actually helped me appreciate the incredible job the mod author arrowhead did with the mod call of doom

[vast reef]

i have yet to play a cod game that isn't codm

[gusty falcon]

Especially maps that need rad suits if you've played eoa

[vast reef]

yes

[gusty falcon]

Most of the cod games I've played before 4 were all portable versions

Roads to victory which sucks

Cod black ops ds which felt fun until the bull shit which was the coastal run mission

And most recently cod mw3 defiance Also ds

[vast reef]

i'll play modern warfare when i have the time because i hear it's really good

[gusty falcon]

I recommend the original over the remaster because its only 5 gigs

Not 100

[vast reef]

what the hell

100 gigs for a remaster of a game that was only 5?

oh wait ultra HD textures probably

[gusty falcon]

Exactly

[north estuary]

What version of gzdoom does freedoom app use?

[last flower]

Finally I beat the cyberdemon on ultra violence.

[gusty falcon]

Let's just say a very old version that wouldn't work with most modern mods

[north estuary]

Oh,i actually reach out to the dude who gave free access to d touch on reddit for the mean time i am trying zeta touch that play duke nukem

[simple rock]

Tower of Babel? Same, beat it around a week ago for 1st time

Top 5 missions in Doom

[zenith berry]

Even tho I played on HMP, I still beat Tower of Babel first try.

All I did was just plasma him from his back, at a far distance.

[zenith berry]

What about Delta Touch, do the devs regularly update the source ports to their latest versions?

[dapper flint]

It really isn't the hardest fight unfortunately

[last flower]

It is gonna be on NIGHTMARE.

[last flower]

Tho I beat it on ultra violence.

[dapper flint]

Not really. Nothings spawning back

[last flower]

Maybe projectiles could be faster and more lost souls charging at you?

[dapper flint]

I'd say things get more spicy in thy flesh nightmare.

[last flower]

Hurt me plenty was hard enough on THY FLESH CONSUMED.

[azure nimbus]

the levels most affected by nightmare tend to have more pinkies

[dapper flint]

The thing with cybers on fast is they get a bit easier since they don't really move

[azure nimbus]

the thing with cybers is that they're big boys

[finite crag]

And thicc

[azure nimbus]

👑

[violet sundial]

e4 is scary

[azure nimbus]

I legit died on e4m1 UV yesterday after playing the game for years

[gusty falcon]

Yes

[zenith berry]

E4M1 has a rough start due to it being for obvious reasons, pistol start. But don’t get me started on M2.

[azure nimbus]

e4m1 is an m1. It's pistol start only so yeah I think for most people(people tended to play continuous), that was the hardest level in all of doom1 and doom2

I wonder who made the demos for sigil. One of them shows off flawless baron punching

[slim willow]

you guys dont pistol start all your maps?!

[azure nimbus]

I do and expect most people to for pwads, particularly harder ones(that's just the audience). But e4m1 is part of an IWAD. So many people have played it and new players tend to default to continuous

[dapper flint]

It's all preference really but I feel pistol start makes it a more fun experience

[slim willow]

romero confirming he designs for pistol starts

[violet sundial]

Are the demons infinitely spawning or just capable of teleporting

In e4m1

On UV

[dapper flint]

No

[slim willow]

all spawning is actually just a neat teleportation trick

[azure nimbus]

finite. They are never infinite on any map ever on UV short of I suppose lost souls from pains

[violet sundial]

A Baron of Hell just snuck up on my butt

Things happened

[slim willow]

in all original doom wads "spawning" is literally just things teleporting in from offscreen. pretty neat

[dapper flint]

https://imgur.com/a/jUD1eq6

[azure nimbus]

It's a classic trick for maps to have a small "sound vent" for your sound to flow through which will wake up monsters in a hidden room far away. When you trip some trigger(switch or walkover line), a wall in that room lowers which allows the monsters in that hidden room into a teleporter

[slim willow]

yeah

[azure nimbus]

There is also no mechanism to allow for infinite monsters in vanilla outside of a monster spawner which has the distinctive whoosh sound, and pain elementals spawning lost souls

[violet sundial]

Except on nightmare?

[slim willow]

respawning.

[violet sundial]

Or wait that's what that is

[slim willow]

yeah you kill them and a little bit later they come back

[azure nimbus]

On nightmare, after they're dead for 10 s, they have a 1 % chance to respawn every second or so yes

[violet sundial]

I always love backtracking into an army of imps

[slim willow]

doom doesnt have "spawning" mechanics like quake does

[slim willow]

yeah lol

[azure nimbus]

gzdoom does, so be aware of that if you play gzdoom custom levels

maybe I'm a bit of a vanilla purist but personally I don't like when they spawn in monsters in gzdoom because then the initial killcount is wrong

[slim willow]

well gzdoom is so far gone from the og code that i have a hard time thinking of it as just doom. no slander just its different

[dapper flint]

My only issue with gz is lost souls counting. I've had runs ruined in large maps because there was a lost soul somewhere out there in space

[slim willow]

did you use that wad i gave you

[azure nimbus]

think that can be changed in settings

[dapper flint]

You can't make lost souls not count unfortunately

[slim willow]

the joy of being a controller player on a 28 year old pc game.

[slim willow]

you can by modding

and its like one line of code too

[dapper flint]

Yeah hahaha. Hopefully I can fix my pc today

[slim willow]

i have zero idea why graf hasnt just added it to gzdoom yet

its not v1.2 chicken man

[dapper flint]

If there's a lost soul heavy map I sometimes just let an archie res a few things just incase

[azure nimbus]

yeah maybe thinking of something else. On the topic of GZdoom, how do I know what are the intended settings for a gz map like pirates!.wad? If I play sunlust for example, it says on the tin to play on boom. But what about gzdoom stuff. Should I be on "doom strict", "boom strict", so on

[slim willow]

yeah doom used to have soul counts but it was removed around doom 2's release because accounting for pain elementals i guess was just shit

[dapper flint]

I usually have it set to whatever I want at the moment. Gz has a ton of options and you can play around with it until you get something you like

[dapper flint]

That makes actual sense

[slim willow]

read the readme files. usually tell you what compatibility it was made for

[azure nimbus]

viles screw up the count too but that was probably too complicated to implement or maybe not as obviously important

pressing F1 opens up a screen that says "jumping is for land lubbers." "A true pirate only crouches when he feels like it and a true pirate never feels like it." "A pirate might need to use his good eye to use his cannons". So no jumping or crouching but no neck brace either

[slim willow]

wish respawned monsters didnt effect kills. there will be times i get 100% kills and im damn well aware i left a shotgunner or 2

[slim willow]

yeah

i def think pirate doom was made with mouselook in mind

[azure nimbus]

There is a part where it's mandatory partway through

still, who knows if he wants us to play on vanilla or boom strict or whatever.

[slim willow]

pirate doom is a cool wad. uses rayman 2 textures which immediately gives it a swiss seal of approval

[slim willow]

its got zdoom functionalities so definitely not vanilla strict

[azure nimbus]

so you're not supposed to jump in pirates!, BUT if you use the sword altfire you can lunge which functions as a dash. Using it midair, you can do some fancy stuff

[slim willow]

yeah

[zenith berry]

So…like in Halo 2?

[median haven]

zdoom is like that reboot of a game that feels like a different game

[vast reef]

yes

i consider it a fully modern doom remaster

especially with an hd sound pack, minor sprite fixing project, smooth doom, and whatever gore mod you like

also with its reworked code and stuff

[median haven]

I dont play with gore mods

theyre a bit distracting

[vast reef]

that's true

whatever gore mod you like can also mean not having any gore mod in the first place

[last flower]

Inferno e3 completed on ultra violence.

[azure nimbus]

game ingg

[sage dock]

arrival

[dapper flint]

Really depends. Nash gore let's you adjust it. I dint know how people play with gore on where it covers the whole screen to the point you can't see anything

[raw heart]

Doom SNES hits different

[azure nimbus]

Woof's mirrored corpses and colored blood > brutal doom

[dapper flint]

Still need to give woof a try

[azure nimbus]

it has pretty much everything that I'd want from a primary-use port. vanilla,boom, mbf, and mbf21 compat. With All the HD and fps you'd like. It runs smoothly. controller support, full solonet support(even without the annoying multiplayer weirdness if you use -coop_spawns param instead of -solo-net)

[dapper flint]

That's what I like to hear! Eternity was great. Great controller support but it the lack of solo net made me disappointed. Very small complaint though

[azure nimbus]

I remember the reason you didn't like Eternity's solonet was killcount problems. But eternity's killcount already doesn't work well, unless I just failed to find it in settings

Though I will admit that eternity has mouse movement(like for glides) whereas woof doesn't seem to.

[dapper flint]

Basically with solo net infighting deaths don't count towards the kill count lol. Year and a half after logging the issue it's still not fixed

[finite crag]

hi

[azure nimbus]

viles already screw up the killcount unfortunately

[finite crag]

no

[azure nimbus]

On eternity they do. I tested it minutes ago. If an enemy dies, is rezzed, then killed again, they get double counted so you can get over 100%

[finite crag]

arch vile

i am almost done with this wad

3 more levels

[dapper flint]

Fucking hell... and the devs are just obsessed with sky textures lol. Ridiculous

[median haven]

lol

[vast reef]

i heavily agree

[royal heron]

isn't that normal even for standard sourceportss?

[azure nimbus]

yeah but it acts that way even in the extended hud overlay

[sick lance]

Hello there, newbie here 🙂 how are you all? Been playing E3M7 yesterday and now I’m looking forward to starting E4M1

[finite crag]

cool

im good synthchrisw

[vale gyro]

Doing good, how ‘bout you?

[azure nimbus]

e3m7...I hate to admit has grown on me

[sick lance]

Big spider didn’t stand a chance against the BFG 😄

[dapper flint]

Even easier with gz doom lol

[finite crag]

beneath the waves of styx

[gusty falcon]

All 3 of the main Gore mods are pretty adjustable actually

Bologaise has a pretty decent menu and v5 ketchup added a good one

[low tinsel]

he does

[slim willow]

replying to 6 month old conversations. i respect that.

[dapper flint]

Hahahaha wtf

[royal heron]

heh

[north estuary]

So freedoom use gzdoom 2.0.0.3

Its way behind

[hexed escarp]

is there a guide somewhere for how to install doom 4 vanilla?

i want to just play the regular doom 2 campaign with it in prboom+, but the instructions in the readmes are very confusing and there are so many files

[dapper flint]

You basically just unzip and place it in ZDL in the wad section. Don't think load order matters

[hexed escarp]

oh i dont have zdl, can i just launch through cmd line?

but which files do i do, there are like 8 different wads and dehs in the download

[dapper flint]

Hmmm I'm not sure. I only use zdl. 3.2

[hexed escarp]

i just need to know which ones to use

[dapper flint]

Send me a pic I'll tell you

[hexed escarp]

il send it in the maps-mods channel

[dapper flint]

It's D4V.WAD, also you'll notice the file size being 27 000 kb. It's the largest file

[hexed escarp]

what about the deh file

and do the other files do things as well?

[gusty falcon]

The deh or dehacked files are there so the maps/mod work with the dos version aka non source port

[wide steppe]

i really, really want to play auger zenith after seeing dean of doom's review for it

[vast reef]

what are you waiting for

go play it

[wide steppe]

no pc lmao

[vast reef]

oh

[vast reef]

anybody know the song in the first map of udmx

i love it but can't find it

[zenith berry]

ZDL is a lightweight launcher, so there should be no hassle for you to just download and install it 🙂

[vocal summit]

it is quite outdated tho

get qzdl

[vast reef]

get doomrunner

[hexed escarp]

So you know about how helpful it is to have everybody saying to install a different thing? About zero

[vast reef]

just get doomrunner or qzdl

imo doomrunner's better

[hexed escarp]

Ok

[azure nimbus]

what does qzdl have that ZDL doesn't

[vocal summit]

updates

[azure nimbus]

specifically?

[vocal summit]

https://github.com/qbasicer/qzdl/commits/master

[vast reef]

isn't it just zdl made with qt

[vocal summit]

no

[azure nimbus]

idk how to work git

[vocal summit]

you go to releases and you downloaded it

its not that hard

[azure nimbus]

I've been intellectually outpaced by the website. Ultimately, my ZDL version does everything that I need it to. I have a spot to enter the IWAD, PWADs/pk3s, extra parameters if I need them(-fast, -coop_spawns/-solo-net, demo stuff, -shorttics), a spot for difficulty(oddly it has very easy, easy, normal, hard, v hard instead of ITYTD through NM but whatever) and it doesn't need to be in the same folder to find new files since there is a search feature. And I can enter any combination of pwads that I'd like which I did need for Alien Vendetta(the dehacked for the level names on the automap was a seperate file)

[vocal summit]

this is a direct download https://github.com/qbasicer/qzdl/releases/download/v3.2.2.2-stable/ZDL-3.2.2.2-stable.zip

[dapper flint]

I don't really see the point. It launches my stuff. Pretty good with that

[vivid vine]

I have the seperate and unrelated Doom Launcher which keeps statistics. And I don't actually use it much, as I most often find myself looking at Crispy Doom's Warp screen

Before I realized what that was I was actually using the cmd shell to launch it with wads like dos

[finite crag]

id software moment

[vocal summit]

doom runner?

there's rocket launcher and doom runner but no doom launcher

[vivid vine]

No?

Doom Launcher

https://github.com/nstlaurent/DoomLauncher

[last flower]

Hmm idk why but now when I touch an invulnerability the game freezes permanently. I have to start all over again.

[azure nimbus]

what port and engine and pwad? Is this replicable

[last flower]

Gzdoom. Doom.wad

[azure nimbus]

my only guess is that there are pallete issues. Really never heard of this issue. It's possible that you're getting stuck in a crusher and reading that as "freezing" but I doubt it

[last flower]

The entire game freezes when I touch an invulnerability.

Just an invulnerability.

When I touch this the entire game freezes.

Hmm maybe I'll have to reinstall the WAD file.

[finite crag]

doomguy moment

[dapper flint]

That's pretty strange. Never heard if that before

[last flower]

It could be an error in the software perhaps?

[azure nimbus]

Could be legitimate copy of the IWAD issue?

[strange oar]

I just picked up Delta Touch on my Android phone to play the classic Doom games, and there seems to be some sort of multiplayer compatibility. Does anyone know how to set this up?

[glossy lagoon]

I came here initially to make the statement that I was fucked (3% health entering Command Centre), but having found a new strategy (going back from the final area + eating health bonuses at the 2Cacodemon + 2 Pinkies/AMFs section), I can safely confirm that I am not fucked.

[dapper flint]

6th play through of auger zenith ... I need to stop lol

[vocal summit]

yeah

someone hosts

and then you ask them for their ip

then type it in to "join"

[strange oar]

Actually I resorted to a guide and am hosting a Survival Co-Op Server "[TSPG] The Ultimate Doom Vanilla Co-op" should be the name of the server.

[wide steppe]

anybody know when the next add-on for the bethesda port is getting added?

[dapper flint]

Next lifetime

[finite plover]

its really cool how a 3d mod was made from a 1994 sequel

[azure nimbus]

Doom is already 3d. It has an x,y,z axis for everything. some limitations are no room over room(without trickery), no stacking monsters/players, and a locked perspective. The perspective is there due to the distortion of the renderer.

[vale gyro]

Like the guy above me said, it’s already 3D besides the models

[azure nimbus]

The way you'd get around these limitations would be by allowing object stacking(this is already the case for projectiles. This limitation was added to ease computation time and not because the engine fundamentally couldn't handle it. Allow explosions to factor in the z axis. Either simply deal with sheering(warped perspective) and allow vertical look OR you would need to fundamentally change the renderer. For room over room -- you basically have 3 options. 1. play Quake. 2. Do some vanilla trickery for very limited RoR(scythe2 map02). 3. Use the Eternity Engine. My understanding is that eternity makes use of portals rather than "adding a dimension." This limitation seems more tied to the level editor than anything.

[molten iron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYGJQqhMN1U

[azure nimbus]

Or link every doomkid video in the past decade

[brisk burrow]

is there a way to turn on boom lindefs in prboom plus?

[pearl osprey]

They are enabled by default but you can use the -complevel 9 argument to force boom format

[strange oar]

Anyone for Deathmatch, Team Deathmatch, or Co-Op on Ultimate Doom? Using Zandronum port.

[raw heart]

That dude died

Which sucks since Decino has a monoploy on doomtubing, I guess he must have slayed him

[azure nimbus]

He's around

[raw heart]

Also which is better PrBoom 3ds or DS Doom?

[slim willow]

ive played ds doom and its a slow mess that crashes a lot

[dapper flint]

Yeah borogk is still very much around in the community

[raw heart]

So it's worse than the Snes version?

At least it didn't crash with it's solid movie 15 fps

[slim willow]

no absolutely not

[raw heart]

So it's playable?

[slim willow]

yes

[gusty falcon]

Yeah but there's almost no reason to except for curiosity 🤔

[vast reef]

what do you mean

what 3d mod

[onyx crow]

really?

[azure nimbus]

no

[onyx crow]

ahh ok

[median haven]

dmoom

[vast reef]

qeuake

[median haven]

dkue nuekm

[vast reef]

bloob

[raw heart]

Died as in he's gone

Not died died, but if he did die then rip

[median haven]

lol yeah

[onyx crow]

dead chat

[fallen hinge]

It’s not really tho

[finite plover]

Total chaos for doom 2

[vast reef]

total chaos is incredibly impressive

but it's moreso that gzdoom is impressive

[median haven]

yeah lol

[last flower]

completed THY FLESH CONSUMED on ultra violence.

Perfect hatred and against thee wickedly hardest maps of Doom 1.

cyberdemon is the hardest demon of doom 1.

But it's just ez to defeat it, just shoot at it until it dies.

also i realized what made the game freeze when i touched an invulnerability, it was: Open GL es:

so i used Open GL and it worked perfectly.

[zenith berry]

I don’t think so, almost a while ago I commented on his camerawork video complimenting that it could be a gamechanger for Doom machinimas. He hearted my comment.

[dapper flint]

Not at all. Sleep is something people do lol

[dapper flint]

That's strange es usually works very well especially with older pcs

[last flower]

well mine is modern BUT low end.

[azure nimbus]

I suspected some rendering issue with monochrome vision but wouldn't have guessed that

Innuendo Studios has a good video on the "Arsenal". How different weapons in 90s style boomer shooters cooperate together. To him, he highlights "shotgun" + "machine gun" as your main pair. That might be true for doom1 or doom2. But I was noticing for a lot of these larger mapsets, it's moreso that shotgun + chaingun are really for ammo conservation of bigger guns: whereas rockets are preferred and for shotrange with plasma in panic situations at long range. So really, we get rocket + "better machine gun". Then with BFG, it's usually paired with rockets again where rockets save ammo and BFG is your big gun.

Basically, the vibe I got from the video was that each weapon is similarly powerful -- just superior at different ranges or types of enemy(large monsters or large hordes. alpha damage or continuous damage). But doom weapons, while assymetric, have a pretty clear ranking most of the time.

[tacit remnant]

Classic Doom definitely uses ammo scarcity as a balancing tool

[dapper flint]

I honestly don't think about it to much these days. It's instinct at this point when to use what

[azure nimbus]

BFG half the time, and berserk the other 50 %

[last flower]

Berserk is very useful against pinkies.

[azure nimbus]

everything aside from hitscan, arachnos, boss monsters, mancs

[dapper flint]

https://youtu.be/sl09RQJyxF8

[junior tendon]

https://imgur.com/XQmNYZh

[hexed escarp]

do you guys know any good vanilla or boom compatible wads designed for the doom 4 vanilla mod?

[dapper flint]

Btsx is good with doom 4 vanilla

[velvet prism]

I've just started getting into HDest is there any maps designed with it specifically in mind? I've already played Mars war and the deus ex maps

[proper sierra]

[hybrid canopy]

still waiting for people to try out VDP Monster Randomizer and Sunny Cats April fools monsters pack

[candid tundra]

I beat doom 2 for the first time ever

[cosmic pagoda]

gj, time for plutonia now

[candid tundra]

Ok

[halcyon willow]

Plutonia

[lean gate]

doom guy be like grrrrer daisy

[azure nimbus]

I'll use that line next time people ask me about the lore

[warped jungle]

[neat cosmos]

Where does gzdoom save settings?
I deleted everything in the folder and redownloaded it all but the settings are still the same

[median haven]

isnt there a restore to default thingy in the gzdoom settings? Idk dont use gz anymore

[halcyon willow]

in the .ini file

should be called "gzdoom-your computer name.ini"

and will be in the root folder

[neat cosmos]

Thanks

[halcyon willow]

np

[last flower]

Began doom 2 campaign.

The pit.

I'm stuck in a triangular room with 3 skulls which leads to 3 different areas how do I get outta there.

[vast reef]

https://doomwiki.org

[azure nimbus]

you can open the door that led you to this area. With your back to that door, the skulls on the central pillar open the door opposite to where they are(the right skull opens the left door. The back skull, the front door, and the left skull, the right door.) The left door has the yellow key. The front door has two pain elementals and a backpack. The right door has a horde of monsters, a secret, and weird stairs. Only the yellow key is required for progression

[dapper flint]

Doom wiki Fandom gets a shit ton wrong honestly

I usually avoid it

[azure nimbus]

doomwiki is better than the fandom imo. It's about as good a resource as I have before watching a decino playthrough or doombuilder(which idk how to use)

[willow oasis]

That is very true, the fandom is hella outdated too.

[dull snow]

Fandom isn't nearly as expansive

[azure nimbus]

doomwiki is of course more reliable for popular maps. For the classic IWADS, scythe, alien vendetta, Ribbiks, Skillsaw stuff(very popular), you'll even get notes on nonsecrets and rando unobtainable objects in the unreachable void that the designer forgot to remove. But for some mapsets, like NERF which are super new, the secrets aren't even posted(last I checked)

[fiery cedar]

https://youtu.be/dlOwEzWj8O8

[vast reef]

i agree

[raw heart]

Fuck cacodemons

[vast reef]

they're a well-designed demon

[raw heart]

My friends and I prefer pinkies

[vast reef]

tbf though most if not all of the doom roster is well-designed

[cosmic pagoda]

cacos are cute

pinkies are just pinkies

[vast reef]

i thought they were really cool when i first played doom

actually i still think they look cool

[cosmic pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/cacodemon-cacodemon-roll-gif-25794206

[raw heart]

The worst enemies in Doom have to be the shitty spider imp things, possessed people too and the Demon queen in n64 like wtf (I thought this was Doom not Duke)

[cosmic pagoda]

false

this bastard exists

[vast reef]

what spider imp things

also false

[raw heart]

Yeah they're annoying I like how they are designed though, they have the n word pass

[vast reef]

what is a spider imp thing

[raw heart]

Maggot, Trite, Wraith

They just all look almost the same and do the same thing

Run at slash at you like the pinky didn't exist

[vast reef]

oh

[glass smelt]

this is real

[glossy lagoon]

Just trapped the Free Baron by the Chaingun in Command Centre into one of the little side-rooms that I don't need.

[modern gulch]

i was playing doom 2 once and a shotgunner in the basement of the underhalls nuked himself just to kill me

[glossy lagoon]

Bugger, I have to interact with him again

[glossy lagoon]

Did he kill you?

[modern gulch]

yes

i had to start over

[glossy lagoon]

Ah, my condolences. How far were you in?

[modern gulch]

right about to get the blue key

also when i made it to the gauntlet i got cornered by a spectre and accidentally shot myself with a rocket

[tacit remnant]

Btw how do I get the secret ending in Doom 1? The rabbit ending

[glossy lagoon]

IIRC, you need to just beat Inferno.

[azure nimbus]

There is no secret ending. There are secret exits in e1m3, e2m5, e3m6, e4m2 but the reward is simply the m9 map. The ending is always the same