classic-doom

[zenith berry]

And it also has bunch of QoL settings plus widescreen splashes, similar to the Doom Unity port.

[slim willow]

Russian Doom is a great port. Even has a Russian mode (hence the name) if you speak that.

[devout totem]

When it comes to classic DOOM, how should I play it? (I'm using a Crispy DOOM port to Raspberry Pi 4).

[long anchor]

Russian Overkill is the best doom mod ever.

[tacit remnant]

Crispy Doom is good for being authentic to the original release; ZDoom has a bunch of features that are more modern. I don’t like ZDoom and use Crispy personally

As for which is BEST, it depends on exactly what you want

[long anchor]

PUSHKA!

[vocal jetty]

I like using PrBoom (and PrBoom+) because of the ease of use when playing custom maps, but still keeping things vanilla

and the game speed feature is neat too

[royal heron]

they're kinda outdated now and overtaken by PrBoom+UM and DSDA-Doom

[vocal jetty]

oh are they? I must be behind on ports then lol

[royal heron]

yeah the list goes like this:

PrBoom -> PrBoom+ -> PrBoom+UM -> DSDA-Doom

PrBoom is dead, and PrBoom+ is still maintained although it's just bug fixes I think, no technical updates anymore

[dapper flint]

Yeah.. always found the source port wars pretty stupid

It's like asking what's your favorite car and then getting mad someone doesn't like the same car as you

[royal heron]

there is no best sourceport, they each have a use

[long anchor]

I was talking about a mod though, not a source port

[tacit remnant]

Someone was asking about source port recommendations IIRC. Also I saw Doomsday the other day. I’ve had trouble installing it but I don’t get why people hate the 3D models it uses. I prefer the sprites too, but it feels faithful to the spirit of the sprites imo. It makes me think of what a Doom cartoon might look like

I’m trying to set it up for deathmatch but have been unable to get it to install correctly, so if there’s a trick or something to it please let me know

[royal heron]

People crap on Doomsday's 3D graphics for looking like shit

And it doesn't exactly blend well with the 2D environments

[pine pier]

yo guys crispy doom doesn't let me press on use buttons properly when i do a custom wad. doors work finem use button is ok but i cant actually activate a switch. what i do?

[royal heron]

Wrong complevel perhaps?

Crispy can only run limit-removing wads at max iirc

Idk if Boom compat wads can still run on Crispy but if they do somehow, then that is the problem

[pine pier]

hmmmmmm

[royal heron]

For example, on a Boom-compat wad some stuff works fine if I set the complevel to 2, but most notably switches don't work at all
If you want to run a wide variety of wads but still have a vanilla feel, then I'd suggest a port like Woof! or DSDA-Doom

[pine pier]

yeeeees thats exactly what i want

[tacit remnant]

Is ZDoom affecting how Doomguy moves (besides freelook and jumping) in my imagination or did they do something with momentum and/or controls?

[weak dagger]

There’s also sprinting and crouching

[tacit remnant]

I don’t mean in terms of new abilities; I mean in terms of the mechanics of how movement even works

[gusty falcon]

Yeah there is a slight difference but honestly unless you play non zdoom/more vanilla ports alot it's hard to even notice it

I can't tell you exactly how though

[tacit remnant]

Yeah it feels weird and off to me. I just can’t put my finger on how exactly

[gusty falcon]

There are mods that let you change how the movement feels like z movement but i think there are also settings in gz doom itself that let you do that as well

[tacit remnant]

Yeah I just switched to Crispy Doom instead

It feels better to me

[gusty falcon]

That's fine hope you have fun! as for me I'm kinda stuck with prboom plus and the zdoom family of ports atleast on mobile since they let you turn off the head bobbing

A must for me since it makes me motion sick

[tacit remnant]

Crispy Doom has that too now. I set it to reduce the bobbing to 75% rather than completely off personally

[tacit remnant]

Hello

Yeah it’s a very old game

Though what’s giving you trouble?

That shouldn’t be happening. What source port?

Wow. Most ports use WASD for movement but I think the original release was set with the arrow keys since WASD wasn’t standard yet

[pearl osprey]

You should really use Crispy Doom or DSDA-Doom imo

[tacit remnant]

Because lots of people didn’t have a mouse back then

[pearl osprey]

they have better controls and QoL improvements but keep the game the same

[royal heron]

mice fucking sucked back then

they used a ball core and were mechanical, that's why they never used mice

and connecting a mice to the computer and using it to play DOOM was a horrendous process

[vivid vine]

Also the most popular file for Doom was actually novert because the mouse had forward and back player movement you couldnt turn off. Probably had millions of downloads.

[zenith berry]

Wasn't it also the same case to with Wolfenstein 3D?

[dapper flint]

You should use whatever sourceport you want imo

Lol

[low ore]

yeah don't play the original dos version lol

there is a bunch of great source ports if you want to be as vanilla as possible and if you wanna be a bit more modern, you can do gzdoom

[royal heron]

^

[gusty falcon]

Mtpain27 is on a roll with these episodes

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HjCdqoOwmKo&list=PL6ScibvoGbTvNR9etFbe9Le6Dk341ZWQA&index=39

[dapper flint]

He make amazing content

[gusty falcon]

Yeah and if I'm being honest he's the only one a aside from icarus who i feel actually properly reviews maps and mapsets they cover

[vivid vine]

Hes the only doomtuber I even watch anymore because he didn't lose his way

[gusty falcon]

I think the only other 2 i watch are midnight and controller quick swaps

Midnight has kinda run out of content to do

Because eternal isn't putting out anything for him to cover

Controller quick swaps is honestly fascinating to me since he covers doom from a very cerebral angle

[vivid vine]

I never heard of him at all ever until I came here, got annoyed when some of his videos showed up, and didnt feel like I was missing anything

Midnight that is

[gusty falcon]

It greatly depends on the mapset you're playing because they can be balanced in different ways to have the difficulty settings go up or down.

[dapper flint]

Hurt me plenty is normal

Uv is hard

Nightmare Is a joke difficulty

That's why all maps are tested around UV

[gusty falcon]

If a map maker creates and balances a map around nightmare

Well I'd tell them what the heck are you doing

[royal heron]

Bad take

I'm not gonna play fucking Dimensions on Ultra-Violence

If I'm gonna attempt that, I'm playing on I'm Too Young To Die because I'm not a damn DOOM god and I'm guaranteed to still die a shit ton

And Nightmare! is speedrunning difficulty, nothing else

[gusty falcon]

Agreed Nightmare literally punishes players for exploring a map by making them expend more resources the longer they stay

[royal heron]

You don't play Nightmare! as a player, you better play it as a speedrunner

And some mapsets/maps are notoriously difficult on Nightmare!

I know this first hand from doing E1M3

I don't think I would do any other Nightmare! run ever, except for ones that don't seem too bad or are recommended to me by confused

[gusty falcon]

Dude even from a vanilla map standpoint

[steel lion]

A good thing for practising nightmare is playing iytd with fast and respawning monsters enabled

[royal heron]

No...

Bad take #2

While you do get the same double ammo, you also get halved damage

[gusty falcon]

How far have you gotten?

Yeah it is

[steel lion]

I know,in nightmare is also the doubke ammo

[gusty falcon]

It's hard and unfair

[royal heron]

coughs in E1M3 NM100S

Still remains to be my hardest run to this day

E1M1 9 was just tedious

[gusty falcon]

You're only on episode 1 then you're still in doom easy mode 😅

[steel lion]

It happens to me when i play e1m6

[royal heron]

DSDA-Doom

[steel lion]

Episode 4 its the giga chads

[royal heron]

Oh yeah this ^

[gusty falcon]

Generally i use gz/ lz but that's cause I'm big on using gameplay mods

[steel lion]

GZdoom,lz and prboom

[royal heron]

Your first time playing episode 4 on UV will kick your ass

[gusty falcon]

Only 2 enemies in episode 1 even have bullets to dodge

The rest are hit scan

[steel lion]

I use gzdoom for mods and general gameplay,lz for very busy maps and prboom for more classic gameplay

[gusty falcon]

Meaning the only way to dodge

Say zombies is to not be in their line of sight when they fire

It's not really dodge as much as it is a block

[steel lion]

Brutality

[gusty falcon]

Already said i use lz and gz doom

Generally my go to mod is call of doom

I used to play alot more project brutality but it's not very good for anything intensive

And my favorite maps like valiant and eviternity tend to be intensive

[steel lion]

I play project brutality on lz cause it a lottle bit too much for my pc

[gusty falcon]

You should probably use gz doom gles instead

The performance gain is alot more

[royal heron]

A port for speedrunning but also has QoL improvements for the casual player

[gusty falcon]

By repetition

[royal heron]

Vanilla

I'm a vanila person most of the time except when I get the itch to play a mod

Ew

[steel lion]

Yeah

[gusty falcon]

You keep playing the maps untill you understand how the enemies work how to find secrets and so on

[royal heron]

Nothing against freelook and I won't judge you for using it, but no I don't use freelook

[steel lion]

I use freelook and autoaim and the same time

[gusty falcon]

That sounds like e1m4

That is a secret

Also as you're learning remember to save

[steel lion]

So i have like a sweet point

Idk how to call it

[gusty falcon]

I tend to use free look and jump because the shooters i grew up on are full 3d i used to use crouch too but now i only use it with mods like pb because it's integrated into that mods movment with the slide

One of the best ways to dodge and reposition period

I've played doom without mouse look before its honestly not that bad

[steel lion]

I use the default compatibility setting so i cheese some levels rocket jump

?

Uv fast

[gusty falcon]

Generally i play it on uv unless I'm using gameplay mods

[steel lion]

It exists?

Oh

[gusty falcon]

The best thing to do is start at a difficulty you find easier and work your way up untill you know the episode well enough to dial it up

Like if you're able to easily mow enemies down and find all the secrets so that you're absolutely stuffed for ammo

You can dial it up

You should

[steel lion]

Yeah

[gusty falcon]

They help make things easier by giving you an advantage

[steel lion]

🤑

?

[gusty falcon]

Hmmm that's actually not the actual exit

The actual exit in e1 m2 isn't a trap at all

Unless you're speed running doom isn't about finishing fast

[royal heron]

^

[gusty falcon]

It expects you to explore it expects you to find secrets

[royal heron]

Last ditch effort, use a guide

But generally look for off colored walls or textures that are out of place

If something looks supicious, press it

[gusty falcon]

Look for things that look odd for example in e1m2 there is a wall in the first room that has a texture that isn't anything like the others

Open it like a door and find something very nice

[royal heron]

If it doesn't press it anyway

Wall-humping is a time-old tradition anyway

[gusty falcon]

Nope

First room

Yes the first room

[royal heron]

Starting room, yes

[gusty falcon]

It's honestly more like 2 secrets in one

[royal heron]

True

[gusty falcon]

Because it opens another secret with the switch in that eolm

[royal heron]

Jump?

[gusty falcon]

It took mount pains video for me to open that second secret normally 😆

[royal heron]

I would like to assume custom maps because vanilla isn't really meant for jumping

[gusty falcon]

For the longest time I'd just jump over the barrier

I generally use jump all the time unless I'm playing pr boom mostly because I've not figured I how to turn it on 😆

[royal heron]

I see

I'm pretty sure PrBoom+ doesn't have a jump though?

I think DSDA-Doom has jumping but I gotta check again

[gusty falcon]

Nope first room on that square shaped area in the center of the room

The area you run around to kill all the zombies pay close attention to the color of the wall as you run around it

[royal heron]

mhm

[gusty falcon]

Yep

[royal heron]

speaking about jumping... I might practice the E1M4 jump again

[gusty falcon]

I'll just tell you what how the chainsaw secret works because it's not intuitive

You have to shoot the wall

There's no weapon in that secret

[royal heron]

16 seconds...
pretty shit honestly I fucked up the setup

[gusty falcon]

But that red switch in the secret opens the path to another secret in the only non locked door in that area

You'll notice pinkys comming in from outside in that other room if you enabled it

Like I said go to the only other room with doors that aren't locked

Yes

[royal heron]

gah I've lost my touch

[gusty falcon]

You should see a path lowered

This is the power of secrets

Exactly

You'll also find a weapon in that secret

Yeah

Like I said this is why you want to look for secrets

[royal heron]

blueberries are great

they always give you 100% health and will heal you beyond that all the way to 200%

[gusty falcon]

It's called a soul sphere

[royal heron]

akjfms,afw

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/854794877594501143/946962924424003584/Screen_Shot_2022-02-25_at_9.52.28_PM.png

[gusty falcon]

There's only one normal exit and it's through the red door you'll find it naturally

[royal heron]

off by two freaking tics

[gusty falcon]

Yep

Yeah there is

Remember that wall I said to have to shoot

There's a switch oh have to press which opens up a secret area that's kinda dark

The. Switch In a room with green liquid and an imp

Wrong room

[royal heron]

bruh and I forgot that I don't have the demo recording for my 14 anymore because it got corrupted so this is my second best, but I wasn't recording when I got this time

I'm facepalming

[gusty falcon]

Ouch

Yeah

[royal heron]

at least I posted the demo file here so I could redownload it

[gusty falcon]

Use the map my friend

Your best best if you're using gz is to go into the auto map and set it to overlay only

That way you can move and look at the map at the same time

Just remember to toggle off the map when you get into a fight

[tacit remnant]

Personally I like that the basic shotgun got a chance to shine without the SSG upstaging it all the time

[steel lion]

I think the problem with the ssg is that it appears too early in the game,and it isnt very hid

In doom 2*

[tacit remnant]

Frankly I feel like no one would complain if they hadn’t gotten the SSG because the basic shotgun is already pretty good but the it’s hard to go back because the SSG is so powerful. Now I kinda want my next WAD to be SSG free just to give the other guns some love. Not the one I’m currently building though

I agree that the SSG showing up so early on didn’t help matters though

What level?

I never got the chainsaw in that level

So I can’t help

[dapper flint]

Hahaha oh man. I remember getting lost there

When I was a kid

Had too ask my big bro

[gusty falcon]

No it's a power up

[slim willow]

just like, use the automap, it fills in as you walk.

[dapper flint]

You're lost in e1m2

For real ?

[tacit remnant]

I find punching more useful most of the time because you can disengage quickly and it scales with Berzerk

[dapper flint]

There's like only 2 directions

[gusty falcon]

I'm guessing the shooters they're used to are more linear than doom

Which is fine

[tacit remnant]

One sec I’ll pull up a map

[dapper flint]

Gotcha

[gusty falcon]

That's not really a shooter more of an rpg

With shooter elements

Cause the gun you're carrying doesn't matter as much as your stats in that game

Yeah i enjoy it too

[tacit remnant]

So where are you now?

[gusty falcon]

It got me obsessed with reload animations

They were on e1 m3 last I checked

[tacit remnant]

I mean how far in the maze

Can you find your way back to the red door?

Okay with your back to the red door, go right, then left, then right

Then go straight ahead until you reach Green Armor

[gusty falcon]

That's the area in question where you have to shoot the wall

[tacit remnant]

Right. When you reach the armor you need to shoot a nearby wall to open a secret entrance

This map doesn’t say which wall

[gusty falcon]

Good stay where you collected it turn right and shoot the wall

[tacit remnant]

Do you remember where it was?

Good!

[gusty falcon]

That's how i found it too don't feel bad

[tacit remnant]

From there it’s a straight shot and you press a button to get to it

Don’t feel bad about struggling with this secret. This one is tricky even by Doom secret standards

[gusty falcon]

Yeah save as often as you think you might need to

[tacit remnant]

Most secrets in Doom have some kind of clue to help you find it

[gusty falcon]

Yah it's actually the second most unintuitive non exit secret in episode 1

Don't

[tacit remnant]

Yeah save the bullets

[gusty falcon]

It's something that literally happens twice in both doom games

Shooting to open something is probably the least common interaction you'll ever do

That's something you'll know just by entering the area you opened

[tacit remnant]

A little trick with the chaingun: if you tap the button and let it finish the animation before firing again, you’ll have sniper accuracy

[gusty falcon]

Rarely in episode one will you open a secret door without getting something

It's not trust me

[tacit remnant]

Also shotgunners drop shells so you’re rewarded for killing them

No but it means it’s usually worth going into a room to kill them even if nothing else is there

[gusty falcon]

I just realized room with blue floor in e1 m4 that's actually right next to the exit room

Although you can't actually reach that exit yet

Meanwhile I'm in the mood for some call of doooom

Gameplay mod

Similar uses brutal dooms monsters with call of duty weapons an items

It means you prefer playing the vanilla doom experience above all else

[tacit remnant]

No mechanics altering mods but map modding is part of the game for you

[gusty falcon]

That i recommend because your not on dooms wavelength yet

[tacit remnant]

Most of the mods build on how Doom already works

[gusty falcon]

You're not used to its level design

[tacit remnant]

If you’re not already familiar with how Doom plays then you’re liable to be overwhelmed

[gusty falcon]

My recommendations beat episode 1 first

Atleast

[tacit remnant]

Those are still making the game more complicated so not recommended until you’re used to the base mechanics

[gusty falcon]

Yeah

Call of doom makes the game alot more complicated in general because the guns often have 2 or 3 different functions minimum

[tacit remnant]

Also most mods are focused on Doom 2 as it has more enemies and such so it has a more flexible ruleset

[gusty falcon]

Yeah true but it's definitely best to start with 1

Doom 2 throws you into the deep end by level 4

Atleast with the level design

[tacit remnant]

The SSG trades the normal shotgun’s range, speed, and ammo efficiency for raw power. It’s fun but not as versatile as the normal shotgun.

Not at all

[gusty falcon]

No that's how they're supposed to make you feel

[tacit remnant]

Some people think of Doom as horror, though I’d describe it as action with the occasional taste of horror

[gusty falcon]

It won't be scary once you've gotten used to it

But if you need some assistance sniffing out traps i can help

With another auto map setting

[tacit remnant]

Also Episode 1 uses spooky traps and other horror tropes more than later episodes

Yeah later episodes are more about the demons attacking head on

[gusty falcon]

Because you're in their territory

[tacit remnant]

Yup

But let’s not say too much and spoil the surprise

[gusty falcon]

Being able to see trigger lines makes navigation alot easier

Because you can tell what's a switch or a door and what isn't

[tacit remnant]

It’s the programming tag on the map that tells the game where switches, doors, and tripwires are

[gusty falcon]

On the overlay map it appears at white lines

Basically being able to tell where they are will get you on dooms pace faster because it's possible to see the traps comming

[tacit remnant]

Btw when looking for secrets, keep an eye out for stuff like textures not matching in places. That’s often the level designer trying to give you a hint

[gusty falcon]

Unless they aren't very good hints like shooting a wall

[tacit remnant]

I love the chaingun

Which level?

[gusty falcon]

Which room

There's only 2 secrets in that room

Nevermind that's e1 m2

[tacit remnant]

I’m trying to remember which level that is. Doom 1 episode 1 all kind of blurs together in my memory

[gusty falcon]

Well I've got my handheld on me so I'll jump in

I play on mobile using a handheld device

[steel lion]

👍

shoot amd reload

[gusty falcon]

Check the auto map if you see a white line where you're pressing with that trigger lines setting on it means something can be opened

If you're in the starting room there's only one way to go

The door directly in front of you silly

[tacit remnant]

Btw if you pull up your map and look at the top left corner you should see a “?” And a fraction. That’s how many secrets you have found in the level and how many the level has total

[gusty falcon]

They'd have to turn off overlay only for that info to appear

[tacit remnant]

That’s not the only data shown but it’s there

[gusty falcon]

That's fine

The game expects you to die now you know more than you did before

[tacit remnant]

Yeah dying in Doom is normal

Agreed

[gusty falcon]

Yes

[tacit remnant]

Until Doom 2 anyway

[gusty falcon]

Although doom2 makes them... Even worse

Imagine something that spits them at you for all eternity

[tacit remnant]

Pain Elementals

They’re aptly named

The good news is Pain Elementals are rare

[gusty falcon]

Yes very even for as evil as John Romero is

[tacit remnant]

Also Archviles can’t help Lost Souls or Pain Elementals

Outside of a really hard to trigger bug anyway

[gusty falcon]

The yellow key card is actually in a secret area in that level so it's not manditory

Although the secret you get from it

It's really quite good

I'll send a picture of the hint it's easier that way

[tacit remnant]

Is it the secret level entrance?

[gusty falcon]

No

To this day I can't even figure out how to properly open that without double jump mods even though there's 2 entrances to it

[vast reef]

yeah ngl

[gusty falcon]

Skill comes with time and practice there's no shame with being bad at first

[vast reef]

yeah i also died on e1m1 uv 9 times in a row

[wild mango]

I'm playing Slough of Despair on Ultraviolence. I have rushed to the blue keycard and got it, I have 51% health and am trapped with not a single bullet nor shell, with two or three cacodemons in that maze where the lost souls are.

6% health. I am in a loop of punching the cacodemons in the face and retreating lmao

Fuck it I'm restarting

[fast mortar]

rushing through that stage aint the best way to do it, i always prefered it that way but one time i tried playin it slow and carefully on UV and it wasnt that hard at all

[royal iron]

What are ya'll thoughts on like the original original doom, like the one with arrow keybindings ctrl shoot and alt strafe and the still square graphics and 8-bitty music

[azure nimbus]

completely unplayable for lots of people. At least for me who can't use m/k anyway and uses controller

[royal iron]

but hey

in the end, doom is still doom

[pearl osprey]

Imo dos doom is unusable these days

the only purpose is left for it that I can think of is nostalgia

[languid wing]

Hi

[wild mango]

My handful of shells and useless bullets? Thanks

[long anchor]

I finished all 4 main episodes of Doom on the switch yesterday.

[vast reef]

good job

[long anchor]

Now that I've started Sigil, I can't help but wish the Buckethead soundtrack was available.

I guess they'd have to charge for that though.

[azure nimbus]

honestly...as I've gotten more into slaughter maps like combat shock 2...yeah I agree. If I'm shooting, I'm using rockets or cells. On easier stuff like skillsaw's content, skillsaw wants you to enjoy yourself with big guns anyway. ssg and chaingun are almost exclusively for ammo management. plasma outpaces them in any fight(except very long range ofc). Rockets are better than plasma if you have the space and bfg is bfg. regular weapons are for ammo conservation (on reread, I misunderstood the comment. thought you meant that bullets and shells don't matter for larger maps. But that wasn't the convo at all lol. if ammo conservation is rough for vanilla doom, maybe use more berserk)

[royal heron]

My ammo conservation is through the roof due to SIGIL's rough ammo management

If a pinkie doesn't die after 2 shotgun blasts, I'm not expending another one I'm punching it to death instead

[dapper flint]

https://youtu.be/zWY9WbrJQu4

It can be worse ^

[wild mango]

Just wait till E1M7

[vivid vine]

Wait until E4M1/2/6

[tacit remnant]

There’s an unofficial expansion called Sigil in the form of a 5th episode

[still lintel]

Just finished Unhallowed on UV, such a good WAD. Bit easy to cheese some fights but really enjoyed it

[tacit remnant]

I still haven’t played Sigil. It intimides me as I’m still not good at Doom

[dapper flint]

Hahahah

[still lintel]

from original doom 1? you must be like 13

fair enough, enjoy son

[dapper flint]

He's just saying you're young

[still lintel]

Not trying to be a dick ; I happily assumed everyone over the age of 20 interested in Doom played it about 5000 times by now

[tacit remnant]

Tbf I started playing Doom at 19 or so a couple years ago

[still lintel]

never too late to start new things... im growing a cactus.

[pearl osprey]

Pretty sure like at least half of og doom's current playerbase are teenagers

[still lintel]

super surprised, on a positive, if that is true

[dapper flint]

It's safe to say this server has people of different ages. I played doom as a kid when it was released

[dapper flint]

The best ones I know are all my age

[still lintel]

Same. Two floppies expanded to a whopping 15Mb of disk space

[dapper flint]

My first experience was with the shareware because i was broke

[still lintel]

The idspispopd days

[dapper flint]

I also installed it at school in the school library for everyone haha

Teachers never found out

[still lintel]

the cheat code idclip used to be idspispopd in earlier versions of Doom....

[dapper flint]

Are you using the unity re release version?

Ahhh gotcha

Yeah that's unity

[still lintel]

I'm a gzdoom guy as well to be honest, not the most original engine but I do enjoy freelook

[dapper flint]

I use gz because I use a controller and it has the best support

[still lintel]

u wot??

doom with a controller ?

[dapper flint]

Yeah! Check out my channel. I do hard wads and maps pistol start no saves with a controller

It's my gimmick

[pearl osprey]

Doom with a controller is actually very enjoyable

[tacit remnant]

I use the Unity port for the core games and Crispy/BoomPR for WADs

[pearl osprey]

it just works

[dapper flint]

Kbm is just far more superior though

[still lintel]

nothing wrong I guess, I just got a controller to play Forza and tried using it in Halo and felt like a moose sliding around on ice

[dapper flint]

In my opinion

[vivid vine]

I've seen this man do UV+ and Solonet with a controller

[dapper flint]

It takes alot of practice to get that precision with a controller

[tacit remnant]

I’ve played Doom on a controller on Switch. It works okay. Not as well as MKB but it does the job

[still lintel]

one of the best speedrunners back in the day used kbd only

[pearl osprey]

I agree I only ever use controller when I want to play while resting on the couch

[tacit remnant]

The best way to get good at Doom is to play a lot

[dapper flint]

Practice. Don't save. Pistol start. Never give up when you have a death. Play the map again and again until you own it

[vivid vine]

And to pistol start

[still lintel]

I do admire people like ZeroMaster doing speedrunning ALL OF SUNDER

[tacit remnant]

Crispy emulates the vanilla experience more closely than Zdoom.

[dapper flint]

Just did map 19

Pretty epic

[vivid vine]

More like emulates Vanilla exactly and plays demos in dos

[still lintel]

guy is nuts, he spends day and days just doing the routing

[pearl osprey]

Lol that's the norm with doom

[dapper flint]

Yeah. On average I play the map around 7 or 8 times until I know it like the back of my hand. More if it's harder

[pearl osprey]

You don't have to do it, it's just the way most people play it

[tacit remnant]

Pistol Start is considered the fun challenge. It was how maps were playtested so you don’t have to worry about it being impossible

[dapper flint]

The trick is to not give a fuck if you die. Once you get frustrated you might as well try again some other time .

[pearl osprey]

Nah don't do it right now, finish doom normally then if you decide to replay it do it without saves

[still lintel]

bit of Sandy facts there

[dapper flint]

Everyone dies in classic doom. Me you zero master. You just can't let it bother you

[tacit remnant]

I expect that most WADs today are also balanced around pistol start

[still lintel]

I start all wads with pistol start but use saves

[dapper flint]

They are. Map authors test the maps on pistol start

[still lintel]

once you are happy with saves and got a strat then consider a single run

[tacit remnant]

That’s how I’ve been testing my levels too

ogg?

[still lintel]

have you tried okuplok yet?

(best MIDI ever)

[dapper flint]

Yeah I actually did it a couple weeks ago. With saves though. I can't do a 10 hour map

[royal heron]

one of the hardest slaughtermaps

[still lintel]

Same, I get bored and stressed at the same time

[tacit remnant]

Crispy is very dedicated to being true to vanilla so there are some features it lacks

[still lintel]

I've played through it with iddqd just to see it

[dapper flint]

After an hour my eyes start to hurt. Map 19 eviternity for example. Probably going to do that in 2 parts

[vivid vine]

They miss the part where finding out you've survived and reached the exit is supposed to be a constant sense of progression

[royal heron]

I tried okuplok with Russian Overkill once

it... did not go well

[still lintel]

Lullaby has amazing progression in stages

and is one of the most stunning maps ever produced... there is that

[dapper flint]

Absolutely. And you need those keys in the end

[tacit remnant]

Okuplok looks like chaos

[dapper flint]

Last fight definitely isn't fun with just plasma haha

[vivid vine]

Play it with GMOTA

[still lintel]

first playthrough when you can see the BFG and haven't collected the keys is painful 😄

[vivid vine]

Huh I wonder how Lullaby would go with GMOTA

[royal heron]

the EOA BFG with okuplok is insane tho

[vivid vine]

Interesting thing in Golden Souls 2 and 3 is the creator actually put a checkpoint in every level. Basically you touch it and get an autosave. It's a very interesting concept.

[dapper flint]

I should try it with metadoom locust mode

[royal heron]

lagged the shit out of my laptop just like nuts so I couldn't appreciate the gibs

[dapper flint]

Lol

Probably just 300 marauders

[vivid vine]

I dunno, how many coop starts do you think it has

[still lintel]

didn't someone do nuts pacifist?

[vivid vine]

Because that would likely mean one can only show up at the very start if you disable restrictions on marauders

[royal heron]

nuts pacifist is one of the easiest runs

[dapper flint]

Its weird how they pop up with that. I had 2 on e2 m3

[still lintel]

I think zeromaster did it with 100% kills

[royal heron]

yeah he maxed it after like 5 hours

[vivid vine]

Marauders have a 'dont use this' option. I wonder if that gets rid of their coop start deletion radius

[royal heron]

used rev missiles to kill the remaining cybers

[still lintel]

basically collected enough revenant rockets to kill the cybers

[vivid vine]

Revenant rockets doing up to 80 damage with no actual splash

[royal heron]

why the cacocringe lol

[vivid vine]

Imagine if they did though like a half rocket sized one. Bout what Strife's minimissile launcher does. And the crusader robots who fire triple spreads of the damn things

[royal heron]

strafing in a circle

I'll show you

nah

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/854794877594501143/947196310551937044/strafe3.mov

this is a lil demonstration of it

not really, strafing is pretty much the only thing important to know for a casual besides how to use the BFG correctly

[prime lava]

TAS*

[royal heron]

oh right

i forgot :P

certain speedrun was TAS'ed and not done by actual person

well technically the TAS was built by a person

so technically in the end it was done by the person

up to you

[dapper flint]

Great game

[finite crag]

I hate The Chasm

[dapper flint]

Satanic imagery

[royal heron]

git gud
Seriously tho just take it slow, it's not that bad

[finite crag]

It's not the pits I have a problem with it's finding the exit

I ran around for like 15 minutes until I could find it, the teleporter with the guy hanging from the celling, I didn't even know it was a teleporter

[royal heron]

The motto of doom is if something looks suspicious, run up to it/use it

If it doesn't, do it anyway

That's how wallhumping came to be for finding secrets

Nightmare, no absolutely not

Impossible in a single segment run

All levels of Ultimate Doom have been beaten individually on Nightmare!, but not in 1 sitting

If every level has been beaten on Nightmare!, then obviously UV has been done

Yes to tha

Zero Master has done it

Yes

Can't, at work

[finite crag]

Challenge accepted

[royal heron]

Impossible, but alright give it a shot

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[runic obsidian]

nothing is impossible, there is likely a nightmare speedrun

[royal heron]

single segment and no death is what ants required

[runic obsidian]

oh, big ouch

in that case, not possible

[royal heron]

yeah

You'd have to complete E4M6, E4M1, and E1M3 in 1 sitting somehow

more like eternal suffering

I'll see myself out

[finite crag]

I’ve gotten all the way to E1m5 before on nightmare

[dapper flint]

Lol I've done classic doom nightmare

[finite crag]

Yeah

[dapper flint]

Classic doom nightmare is just map knowledge and speed running. Not very much combat

[steel lion]

Episode one is easy as hell

[royal heron]

^

[royal heron]

on nightmare, that is a different story

[steel lion]

[royal heron]

E1M1 and E1M2, not bad on nightmare

E1M3? oh hell no

[finite crag]

hello guys

im new to this server

[royal heron]

Welcome!

[finite crag]

i started playing doom classic bc a friend of mine reccomended it to me

yes

gzdoom

no

cant

doin lmms stuff

[finite crag]

Try the secret level, Military Base on nightmare

sound editing program

[royal heron]

oh right that one... that one is also a literal nightmare to play

[finite crag]

making map 01 from freedoom in marios sunshine soundfont

this software is made that if you import a midi you can change its soundfont

very easy

ye

tho dont use mp3 to midi that wont work

search for midis that have quality

sure

is fly me to the moon good ?

no

its a song

ill send in dms

[molten iron]

Its a banger

[hexed escarp]

is it true that if an enemy shoots another enemy in classic doom, they start fighting eachother? i heard this but am not sure if it is true

[dapper flint]

It's called infighting and in more advanced wads it's super important

Saves you ammo also

[hexed escarp]

nice! thats really funny, and i could imagine some interesting levels made with that in mind where you just run into a room and run out and all of the guys start fighting

[royal heron]

Yeah, but it also has some important nuances to it too

[azure nimbus]

Decino did a video on it and the doomwiki has a page on it too. Hitscan will damage any target(zombies and spiderdemon have these). Monsters will target you(assuming that they see you or that you've made a sound). Until they take damage for the first time, the monster will have a threshold of 0. So they will switch targets as soon as they take damage. Taking damage when having a threshold of zero(which is to say when a monster changes targets(not when it acquires you for the first time)) causes a monster to switch targets to whomever attackeed it and sets the threshold to 60(or 80?). Whatever the case, they need to take that many steps before they can get a new target.

viles will never be targeted intentionally. Monsters of the same type cannot hurt each other with projectiles. Then there's factoring in who is good at triggering infighting. Mancs, chaingunners, cybers, spiderdemons, arachnos have a large innacurate spread that can trigger infighting. In particular with mancs and cybers who continue firing after you leave their LoS so you can direct their projectiles better. And then you have revs with the tracer missiles to play with, especially if you get a big bunch of missiles.

What monsters are good at receiving infighting? Larger targets like cacos, mancs, cybers get hit easily.

Then you can consider if you should shoot a monster before he aggros another to prevent him from fighting back. This way, you can get lots of extra damage from the other monsters aggroed at him. Or similarly, you can continue attacking the scarier monster as they fight other monsters. Be careful that it's not inbetween targets or it'll lock onto you.

There's a lot to it. What's nice is that it kinda happens naturally if you run in circles and only reaaally matters once you get harder maps that require you to fully use this mechanic

[hexed escarp]

is final doom worth a buy?

[torn pivot]

Psx Doom: Altar of Extraction (100%) Ultra Violence (PsyDoom 0.8.3)
https://youtu.be/x5GMf5dwnR4

[slim willow]

PsyDoom rules

[royal heron]

Yeah

TNT I would say isn't as good as plutonia

But both are a step up in difficulty from doom 2, so be warned

[pearl osprey]

isn't final doom free if you buy the unity port?

Yeah, just checked, it is free

[hexed escarp]

i already have 1 and 2 wads from eternal

so if i got it id get it standalone

[pearl osprey]

I have doom 1 and doom 2 on steam and I got final doom for free

[atomic wigeon]

ok i have a question does plutonia get funner or is just the same where u have like a couple archviles some chaingunners and a lot of revenants

[royal heron]

Nope I'm working all day

[hexed escarp]

whoa i didn't know that the doom engine had portals in it

[hexed escarp]

i got the wads with eternal so i dont think i got it

[tacit remnant]

Yeah set up a Bethesda account and look in the Addons tab

And yup the Doom engine has simple portals

IIRC they’re mostly used for monster traps

Though now I want to make a Deathmatch map with lots of portal shenanigans for the chaos that would cause

[hexed escarp]

yeah

[short cloud]

whats the difference with doom 3 and doom 3 bfg edition?

[tacit remnant]

BFG edition adds the flashlight and IIRC also gives you more ammo

If you want to know more you should probably ask in the #doom-3 channel

[gusty falcon]

Where are the gamma correction settings in prboom plus?

Because open gl mode with that source port is so damn dark

[royal heron]

I think you gotta change the shadows to something like shaders?

Yeah sector light mode, change that to shaders

It'll brighten up automatically

Also, you can press F11 to adjust gamma eben further

Hope this helped

[gusty falcon]

Thanks

[finite crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/928306654175449111/945513074713059338/FinalVideo_1644724064.472173.mov

[fluid birch]

it gets crazier

some parts are fun

but it is very hard

[finite crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/894693710317617162/947454040806162442/freedoom.mp4

[azure nimbus]

ID doesn't get more money if you play the game longer.

maybe if spectres were made pink and opague

[pearl osprey]

Yeah it is a purple di

don't ask how I know though

🤐

Use Zandronum engine

the sentinel's playground provides free doom server hosting

just log in create a server and it'll appear in zandronum's server explorer

[gusty falcon]

Theyre made to surprise the player especially in dark areas because they can sneak up on you

[safe moon]

possibly but at the same time you can just... not use the mod if you ran into an error

also to anyone who wants the opposite of this and wants that crispy doom look but would rather use gzdoom
use the vanilla essence mod

or hell, use both if u wanna

[royal heron]

Yeah

[dapper flint]

Don't really care for the lighting thing. Nash gore is better for the blood effects though

[hexed escarp]

how do i dynamically change the ceiling height of sectors? ie to make doors?

[dapper flint]

Thy flesh included

I count sigil also. But it's not official

[dapper flint]

Sure

[merry void]

E

[broken wasp]

Cacopog

[autumn obsidian]

[hexed escarp]

bruhhh i despise e2m6

i keep getting crushed by a door after playing the level for like 15 minutes

and its infuriating, its the same door every time but i always forget which room it is in

[molten iron]

just void glide lol

[hexed escarp]

nah, i want to beat it legit, this is my first playthrough

the rest of the level is so tedious as well

[molten iron]

I actually really like e2m6, but void gliding is much more fun

[hexed escarp]

yeah, the level is fun, but it is also so long

and it is infuriating to die after getting a decent amount through it

at least im getting faster at going through the beginning part

ok, i got back to the wall part, but that room has so many enemies that i died anyway

if im struggling this much already with doom 1, i cant imagine how i will do with doom 2

and final doom if i try that

[royal heron]

If you're stuck, you can either take it slow or consult a guide

[dapper flint]

Just like everything else it takes practice

[hexed escarp]

actually, i am going to take a break because i am THIS close to smashing in my monitor

there are so many damn pinkies

[royal heron]

Then yeah i recommend a guide

BigMacDavis is the og

[vivid vine]

Get the chainsaw

[long anchor]

I wish Thatcher’s Techbase could be added to the unity ports.

[dapper flint]

That would be interesting. Personally I want tangerine nightmare

[short cloud]

why is doom 2 so quiet? when i increase volume, no change

[tacit remnant]

It could be that music is off

Check audio balance

[safe moon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/314489273153749013/947724513624342568/unknown.png

god this was a bit of a slog, especially since i pistol started it

just simply dont play in uv, atleast for your first run

[past field]

Wait did the server really censor “blood”?

Blood

Oh

[true current]

Does anyone know if, and when the console ports of classic doom will get more maps?

[tacit remnant]

You mean in the Addons menu? Who knows

[true current]

Yeah, i don't have a pc. Would like them to add ancient aliens, or going down.

[dapper flint]

They can't those are boom compatible

[gusty falcon]

If you have an android phone/device I recommend grabbing delta touch and pairing a console controller with it you'll be able to easily play maps like those on that app

[true current]

There's an idea. Kinda want a bigger screen for it though.

[gusty falcon]

A tablet might work for that

I don't recommend any non touch screen devices like an android TV because alot of the settings like the gamepad menu need touch input to access

[true current]

Ps4 controller does have a touchpad... hm... maybe i'll just buy a garbage pc, and do it that way.

[gusty falcon]

I'm not even sure if you'll be able to use it on Android maybe on the newer versions like android 11 or 12 but I've never seen touch pad use on Android beyond clicking it in as an extra button

[true current]

It works as a mouse. It's weird.

[gusty falcon]

Ah You might be able to use it for touch input then on an android TV with a cursor

Once you're in the menus especially the gamepad one you can pretty easily navigate with the actual controller

[honest nebula]

Guys who want to play with me

To brutal doom

[glass forum]

https://youtu.be/l8JLt5qudp0

[muted mica]

hello

is doom modding community still alive?

[finite crag]

yep

[muted mica]

and

i only need doom.wad for gz doom and such right?

[muted mica]

only the wad files?

[finite crag]

you'll probably want doom2.wad aswell

[finite crag]

honestly its your call, doom 1 will always be there for you so

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/894693710317617162/946762092118175764/Hunt_Down_The_Freeman___What_the_f_ck___High_Quality.mp4

[past field]

Indeee I am
Im playing project brutality

Great mod by the way

[royal heron]

has been for nearly 30 years

[past field]

Yeah

Id releasing doom’s source code really helped out

Now we got people selling Id tech games again, just like in the 90’s

[dapper flint]

[random tartan]

yes i found the normal folks

hello

[past field]

Hello

[grim pollen]

And more than a trickle of content, the modding community may be producing more releases than ever looking at the endless articles for cacowards 2021 but without a handy bar graph couldn't give you exact numbers but it's the opposite of dead.

[dapper flint]

Thriving

[icy fulcrum]

Anyway, I finished playing Action Doom 2 and in my humble opinion it is one of the more mature wads in terms of content, or at least the most mature one of those I have played.

the only thing I didn't understand is that the first action doom had a more futuristic setting while action doom 2 is more contemporary. Also, the game is theoretically set in Saigon(at least from what i read in Doom wiki). Now I don't know Vietnam but I don't think Saigon (now called Ho Chi Mingh) is like the urban setting of Urban brawl and even hosts a corporation.

[icy fulcrum]

Based Valiant pfp

[past field]

What do you mean by “mature”?

As in violence? Blood? Gore?

[dapper flint]

Actual warfare

[icy fulcrum]

What Gougaru say

[dapper flint]

Metadoom

[dapper flint]

It has a water gun that lights demons on fire

[royal heron]

And scares them away by its gigachad prescence

And doesn't use ammo

And refills automatically as long as you're near any type of liquid

[dapper flint]

Also meta doom has a ton more quality of life and graphical enhances. Tons of doom demons from around the franchise. Retains the classic gameplay and alt fire for weapons. Just really beautiful work.

Lore book is cool too

I don't know how to use flame belch yet though

[vivid vine]

inventory use key

[dapper flint]

Both doom 1 and 2 and any wad also. Basically play whatever you want. I wouldn't worry about people's opinions.

How so?

[tacit remnant]

Probably because the engine didn’t originally allow for looking at the ground

[ebon zinc]

what do you think are the top 3 most iconic demons from classic doom

[dapper flint]

Archvile

[tacit remnant]

Cacodemon, Archvile, Imp

Maybe baron of hell instead of Imp

[royal heron]

Iconic?

Chaingunner, Archvile, Revenant

The classic plutonia combo

[finite crag]

you have it set to software rendering (which makes the view stretch when looking up and down), but you can fix that by either
A. not using mouselook at all or B. switching to opengl or vulkan

[hexed escarp]

is saving and loading considered cheating on a first playthrough?

[grim pollen]

no play however you want.

iddqd for giggles

[hexed escarp]

im stuck on e2m6 and im considering saving before the part i keep dying at so i dont have to keep playing the beginning, but i also sorta wanna beat it saveless

[vast reef]

i used saves a lot when i first started

[grim pollen]

Give it another shot but a save and load option is built into the game. It's there for a reason. But if you're struggling on finishing up E2M6 pistol start kind of indicates to me you're still picking up and learning the game maybe better to build up the experience and try it again later.

[vast reef]

are you the real kingdime

[grim pollen]

im sus

[vast reef]

nice

[grim pollen]

Yep, I hang out here 😄 nice to meet you

[hexed escarp]

bruh this game is gonna give me a damn heart attack with these pinky jumpscares

[vast reef]

nice to meet you too

[hexed escarp]

the pistol start isnt the part i have trouble with, its just all of the close quarters areas with 10000000 pinkys

[vast reef]

if you have enough ammo maybe try using rockets since iirc they one-hit pinkies

[hexed escarp]

freaking finally!

i did it, no saves

[vast reef]

that is very nice

[grim pollen]

nj 👍

[hexed escarp]

90% kills, 61% items, 66% secrets

[grim pollen]

E2M6 is chocked full of tanky pinkies and barons which is annoying especially on nightmare and if you're aiming at 100% kills the fake door area with the soulsphere/shotgunners.

[hexed escarp]

i dont remember seeing any barons

[grim pollen]

Halls of the damned on UV has a few unless it's E2M6 from another set.

[hexed escarp]

oh, im playing on HMP

[grim pollen]

Thats a plausible explanation to the lack of barons if you didn't catch any in the hallways.

[hexed escarp]

im pretty sure i went into all of the rooms except for one of the four in the four way intersection area

and that probably accounts for the 10% of enemies i missed

[dapper flint]

https://youtu.be/Yc37yCfvyAM

[royal heron]

what happened to antsinmypants?

he just up and disappeared

[hexed escarp]

@faint hollow is his alt

[royal heron]

I see

I'm guessing you were kicked or something, but I won't press the situation

yeah but I have schoolwork

can't neglect that

[royal iron]

Opinions On SIGIL?

[safe moon]

they probably cant port in boom wads but they could perhaps port in doom 4 vanilla if they wanted to since the madlad that made it made it compatible with dos doom

[muted mica]

hello

[spice turtle]

Not that bad if you do the red key section last and do it pacifist. Barons stay asleep and don't get in your way at the exit.

[limpid folio]

i actually started using iddqd/idclip on some maps since i pistol start everything, and sometimes get stuck on the progression. and i'd rather just top up my health and keep going to understand the combat flow of the map instead of reloading from 13% health 50 times

i learned this from speedrunning

not doing, just watching. getting much more of a feel of how maps may be designed to be played vs trying to optimize every part of every encounter by plinking away slowly at every target from cover. and then practicing specific parts of a map

i used to consider it cheating but now i find i can enjoy getting into the flow of an encounter much more instead of resetting every couple of seconds. gives a better idea for risk/reward and ammo management too.

now i'm getting ten times more replay value out of a lot of maps, really getting to know them. but super duper obscure switch hunts i still don't like.

first 5 times a trap annihilates me, then i find a few possible routes/ways around or through it, then i start to practice those

[azure nimbus]

whatever it takes to learn a level

[azure nimbus]

very high quality and a reasonable challenge but not overkill

[royal heron]

This is my general strategy except since DSDA-Doom has a spectator function, I could record a quick demo then spectate that map while playing that demo in order to learn the map layout

[simple lodge]

Very fun and clever

[hidden birch]

So I softlocked myself in DOOM 2 map 24 and I was just wondering

Oh wait I can't attach files damn

[dapper flint]

Type in idclip

[hidden birch]

Thank you

[dapper flint]

No worries

[cold sentinel]

just started playing the ultimate doom

pretty fun

[fluid salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-guy-doom-nerd-doom-gif-15382398

[steel lion]

Shoot bad guys

[low ore]

question, how come some doom mods ended up as standalone games you pay for if they are made in doom? I thought you couldn't do that

or maybe I'm just tripping and nobody ever did that

[pearl osprey]

That's because they aren't distributing doom assets

[low ore]

which mods did that because I really don't remember, I just have a faint memory of some of them doing it

[pearl osprey]

most standalone games use their own assets, as for the engine it's licensed under GPL3 which allows you to use it however you want as long as you share the source code of the engine, but again most standalone games don't modify the engine they just use GZDoom and link it's source code

[finite crag]

Hello every1 I was wondering if I can play doom mods on a chromebook?

[gusty falcon]

If you buy delta touch from the play store yes

[tacit remnant]

Is Doom 1 or 2 more popular these days? I always hear people praising Doom 1’s level design but Doom 2 is my favorite and also the one used as a mod template

[dapper flint]

It's almost like a guy named sandy developed them both

[tacit remnant]

Lol

Doom 1 is tight but I feel like the smaller demon roster hurts it. Also too many hitscanners. At least it doesn’t have Pain Elementals though.

[civic seal]

Hi, what are some good doom mods that enhance the vanilla experience? Currently I'm using brutal doom which is cool

[tacit remnant]

I’m too much of a vanilla gameplay purist to have any mod recommendations

[civic seal]

Nice, you play only through gzdoom? (no mods)

[tacit remnant]

BoomPR and Crispy. ZDoom changes the mechanics a good bit

BoomPR in the event that the WAD I want to play uses Boom stuff (not compatible with Crispy)

[civic seal]

That's pretty cool, I can respect that

[tacit remnant]

In particular movement feels less responsive in ZDoom. Not sure why exactly

[vast reef]

smooth doom and nashgore

keeps things vanilla but adds very nice visuals

[civic seal]

Ooooh interesting, thanks for the recommendation

[vast reef]

you also probably know project brutality exists

[civic seal]

Yep

[glass linden]

plz add Cacodemon pog

Emote

[vast reef]

no

[gusty falcon]

Been playing zone 300 with call of doom and these levels are quite abit of fun
They remind me of scythe 1 but abit easier small bite sized levels with some frantic combat and decent traps

[safe moon]

found a neat megawad called "mini level megawad"

its basically like a smaller and shorter version of the doom 2 levels

[gusty falcon]

Damn every single one of zone 300 has custom track I've never heard

[sullen spruce]

Does anyone know what the most recent unity port updates actually "updated"? 'Cos there's no new addons or anything added, sigh.

[gusty falcon]

Apparently it's been like 6 months or something

[sullen spruce]

I'm still holding out for more addons and that resolution fix. Hopefully they add Sigil 2 "when it's done"...

[eternal lance]

https://youtu.be/lUsCXSNhHmI

[ancient lion]

Did you know, in wolfenstein rpg harbringer of doom looks like the cyberdemon from doom I and II? Thats him in the past.

[vast reef]

cool

[gusty falcon]

Okay at this rate zone 300 will become the first 32 level custom l wad i actually finish the way the levels are built you just get that one more level type of pang that's kept me playing for hours

They're small enough so that by the time the combat ends you're at the exit

I was enjoying myself so much i kinda had to make myself stop because it's getting late 😆

[past field]

guys, I have a confession

Im not too proud of this, but

I actually like the master levels for doom 2 expansion

you know what, nevermind, its bad

[cosmic pagoda]

anyone played doomRL?

[cold sentinel]

heres a question for everyone, when was the first time you encountered a cacodemon

[stone swift]

I guess for most people that played classic doom(s) first, it´s either in E2M1 or MAP08

[tropic elm]

What is the purpose of the holes on back of cacodemon?

[azure nimbus]

probably as a place for spokes to fit to keep the clay model upright

[fickle adder]

I played doom 2 and final doom before ultimate doom so map 08 of doom 2 for me

[tropic elm]

wait they are clay models?

[hallow herald]

I started newgothic movement yesterday it’s… difficult

However the insanity brings joy to my soul

[azure nimbus]

a lot of the monsters were designed from scans of models. I can't find an original model for the caco though. It's just a speculation. idk if the caco also had a model.

[finite crag]

i made tis and i regret https://youtu.be/YxezspqOgJ0

[vivid vine]

The cacodemon was ripped right off the cover of Manual of The Planes. It's the head of an Astral Dreadnought.

I know the pinky was digitized over a dinosaur toy

[nimble agate]

Is there a GZDoom Discord server?

[pearl osprey]

Yeah there is

https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=54921

[nimble agate]

Thanks

[dapper flint]

[lament dust]

[vital knoll]

[worldly echo]

[hexed escarp]

how come the doom cutscene text say that inferno is the final chapter of doom when there is another

[dapper flint]

Final doom was also not final

[hexed escarp]

lol

but like, was the forth one added after the fact or smthn?

[dapper flint]

Thy flesh actually came out after doom 2

[ancient lion]

Freedoom is like homeless edition of doom

[finite crag]

freedoom is Doom but free

[dapper flint]

Freedoom is doom if you can't manage to find 2 dollars

[ancient lion]

Lets talk about

Wads

Tnt evilution final level

[azure nimbus]

Ultimate, Final, and Eternal doom, maximum doom and Doom eternal all sound like the "last" doom game. Doom 3 wasn't the third doom game. There are two doom games called DOOM with no other terms. Ez to remember of course. Oh and let's not forget that "eternal" is also a mapdesigner

[hexed escarp]

if id tech was as bad at making games as they are at naming things, doom would be the worst selling game of all time

they are worse than the USB forum

[hexed escarp]

what

[azure nimbus]

When doom released in 1993, it was only 3 episodes. in 1994, doom2 was released. in 1995, ID released a new episode for doom1 called Thy Flesh Consumed. As all 4 episodes, doom1 is considered "ultimate doom"

[hexed escarp]

then why is it in doom

[dapper flint]

https://imgur.com/a/GQK6itl

[hexed escarp]

i see

[dapper flint]

Romero released a new map for Ukraine donations

[azure nimbus]

Romero consistently based

[hexed escarp]

should thy flesh be played before or after doom 2

[azure nimbus]

Either should be fine. Thy Flesh is somewhat more challenging than doom2 but it is close enough that I might default to what is in the "cartridge" so to speak

[royal heron]

I feel like before doom II is good

[hexed escarp]

ok

[vital knoll]

Before.

I think it took me as long to beat Thy Flesh as it did all of Doom II

[safe moon]

i would buy it if i wasnt spending too much money on other stuff on steam doe lol

[hexed escarp]

can i get final doom if i have doom eternal since it comes with doom 2?

or do i need to buy it separately

[dapper flint]

It's included with unity

[hexed escarp]

i dont have unity

i just have doom eternal, which comes with 1 and 2 wads

but i heard that you get final with any version of 2

[dapper flint]

The eternal version is unity

[hexed escarp]

oh cool

can i find the wads for final doom in the files then somewhere?

[sick mist]

https://twitter.com/romero/status/1499172470330437633

𝕵𝖔𝖍𝖓 𝕽𝖔𝖒𝖊𝖗𝖔 (@romero)

To support the people of Ukraine and the humanitarian efforts of the Red Cross and the UN Central Emergency Response Fund, I’m releasing a new DOOM II level for a donation of €5. 100% of the proceeds go toward these agencies. Thank you. https://t.co/1meRjC0IJZ https://t.co/p0VbjdIofP

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[runic obsidian]

oh hell naw, doomguy is about to go medieval on russia

[sick mist]

Every donation can make a difference you guys. Thanks everyone who supports this :)

[worldly echo]

well im sold

[final forge]

https://youtu.be/euIYMsBOYSY

[gusty falcon]

Well it's official zone 300 is my first completed custom megawad

😆

Icon of sin fights are still boring

[torn pivot]

Doom II - One Humanity (UV-100%) [Crispy Doom] John Romero
https://youtu.be/Kc1_CLpuC0Q

[tacit remnant]

I’ve made a rule for myself to not make Icon of Sin fights. Also no Pain Elementals because they always make me so frustrated as a player

[gusty falcon]

I don't mind pain elementals as long as the setting is turned on that limits how many lost souls they can spit out

Because all it takes is a good amount amount of concentrated fire to turn them into atoms

[tacit remnant]

I also hate Lost Souls so I have a hard time not utterly hating a demon whose sole purpose is to make Lost Souls

[gusty falcon]

Yeah I understand that especially when you aren't heavily armed enough to take them out quickly

[tacit remnant]

I don’t mind the Doom 64 version of Lost Souls as much since they have way less health in that game. The big thing is just how crazy fast they are though

[finite crag]

e1m1

[tacit remnant]

What about it?

[hoary lily]

best level

[finite crag]

idk its best

best level

[gusty falcon]

Eh not by modern standards it isn't atleast e1m1 its been far outdone

[finite crag]

imma make a doom card game then get copyrighted

[gusty falcon]

But it does have one of the most random secrets in doom 1

In the zig zag room that one marine corpse triggers something

[finite crag]

yes. you mean the shotgun r?

[tacit remnant]

My favorite Doom 1 episode is episode 2. Episode 1 is kinda repetitive and Episode 3 is A Lot. In particular I think e3 gets too confusing and also Slough of Despair is stupid

[gusty falcon]

No that's a different secret I mean that dead marine in the zig zag room

Try activating it

[finite crag]

oh shit that is random

[gusty falcon]

It actually requires the shot gun secret to be open first

[tacit remnant]

What does it do?

[gusty falcon]

It lowers a timed elevator in the corner of that room

That has... Ammo.. And health

[tacit remnant]

I was going to ask how I hadn’t heard of it but wow that’s disappointing

[gusty falcon]

Yep thanks John

[tacit remnant]

Imagine if it had a rocket launcher or something

[gusty falcon]

That would be nice but then it would actually be useful That's literally the most obscure secret in the level

[finite crag]

most secrets i found had rocket launchers lol

[gusty falcon]

Because you'd never find it naturally

[tacit remnant]

That kind of secret feels like it only makes sense if it’s something fairly significant because otherwise why bother

And it’s far too early for the plasma weapons

[royal heron]

You'll enjoy Bite Sized Threat then, it's a mod that both decreases original enemy health to 25% (except for lost souls, they get 1 health) but the other exception is that ammo is heavily limited as well

Bullets and cells max at 160, rockets and shells max at 20

Makes you think tactically about how to spend your ammo

Or use it as punching practice since fists are now very viable with this mod

Fun fact, you can chainsaw an archvile to death in 1 go since they only have 175 health

[tacit remnant]

That sounds interesting

[worldly echo]

I’m actually not a big fan of ep 2

[ancient lion]

Brutal doom

[steel lion]

Jhon made a new map for doom 2

[finite crag]

Episode 3 is my favorite episode in the OG Doom.

[worldly echo]

I like ep 3

Aside from slough of despair

[tacit remnant]

I felt that Pandemonium and such were cool in theory but were a bit too cryptic and ammo-dry to be fun

[finite crag]

Is speedrunning doom on Nintendo switch run legal?

[past field]

zone 300 map29 is bad

its very hard

[zenith berry]

What John Romero just did is an absolute W.

[worldly echo]

Indeed

[zenith berry]

John Romero is about to make you safe.

[finite crag]

I don't even mind Slough of Despair honestly.

The only one I dislike is the shitty temple with the teleporters.

[worldly echo]

I forgot about that one

[finite crag]

H

[worldly echo]

I

[ancient lion]

Bro i downloaded a mod for my gzdoom source port and inside the mod was a fucking unregistered doom file

[steel lion]

What do you mean

[royal heron]

Probably a pirated IWAD

[steel lion]

Yah

[hexed escarp]

ive asked this question multiple times but have never gotten a useful answer

if i only own doom eternal

and i took the wads out of it to play doom 1 and 2 in a source port

can i get final doom as well, or do i have to buy it separately

and if so, h ow

[pearl osprey]

You have to buy it separately

You can get final doom on steam

[hexed escarp]

ok

thank you

[ionic sable]

https://youtu.be/vXd_yuC9biE

[dapper flint]

I'm hyped for this weekend to give that map a go and yours

[vast reef]

high noon drifter

[limber mirage]

Don’t buy final doom separately

Instead buy the new rerelease of doom 2

It’s $5 and includes final doom

[hexed escarp]

I already have the doom 2 wad from doom eternal so idk why I’d need that

[hexed escarp]

how to not constantly run out of ammo in e3

[royal heron]

Use berserk when available

[hardy zenith]

ive heard of this, might buy

[worldly echo]

or just the unity port

[tacit remnant]

Yup

[limpid zinc]

The doom 2 wad that comes with eternal is the bfg edition one which is considered to be the worst one because of the heavy censorship of the wolfenstein levels and the red pill on the med and stim packs

If you don't mind those differences it's still doom 2 but I'd suggest just getting the ports of ultimate doom and doom 2 on steam, they're only like $5 each

Plus they come with Final doom as add-ons for both games

[hexed escarp]

red pill as opposed to what?

[limpid zinc]

It was originally a red cross which was requested to be changed by the red cross. In the modern ports they have it replaced with a green cross which looks much better

[hexed escarp]

oh

[tacit remnant]

Yeah it’s a copyright thing

[hexed escarp]

idrc about that. also what about the wolfenstein levels?

[tacit remnant]

Normally the Wolfenstein secret levels have nazi enemies

In the censored version they’re changed to be zombies

[hexed escarp]

oh, im fine with censorship in that case

il prob just get final doom, none of those things make a difference for me

[tacit remnant]

The Steam version of Doom 2 gives you access to Final Doom for free

As well as Doom 2 not being as hard

[hexed escarp]

not as hard in what way?

[tacit remnant]

Fewer hitscanners, more room to move, not having traps all over the place. Final Doom assumes you’ve already beaten Doom 2

[hexed escarp]

oh is the wad itself different?

[tacit remnant]

Evilution (Final Doom’s first half) is only marginally harder but the second half is way harder

Yeah Final Doom is basically a sequel/expansion of sorts

[hexed escarp]

yeah i knew that

i think im just gonna play doom 2 that i already have and get final doom on its own

[tacit remnant]

Okay

[hexed escarp]

that comes much later tho

im still on doom 1, im in inferno

i got to almost the end of e3m4 only to get meleed by a baron

[tacit remnant]

Yeah barons are spooky up close

[hexed escarp]

yeah, im only playing on hurt me plenty but i kinda suck at fps games

[tacit remnant]

The main difference between classic Doom difficulties is how many enemies the game throws at you. The demons themselves have the same stats on all difficulty settings except I’m Too Young To Die

And I guess Nightmare too

[limpid zinc]

Lava and radiation floors also deal different damage

[hexed escarp]

i only recently started playing doom for the first time, and most parts of it i absolutely love

but there are also some parts that i kinda hate

some certain level design tropes

like floor lava mazes

they are the worst

[gusty falcon]

How many enemies and their tier

[hexed escarp]

also the times when you have already killed all enemies in a level and are just left to sweep the entire thing for one damn switch or keycard

[tacit remnant]

I hate lava floor mazes. I like keyhunts fine mostly

They get easier as you get used to where the level designers like to hide them

[hexed escarp]

the combat is excelent though

im playing with chocolate doom because for me personally, ports that add stuff like up and down looking and jumping/crouching and 3d floors kinda ruins the point for me

[tacit remnant]

Same

Crispy Doom adds some minor QoL changes (I’m not sure what QoL changes) but is mostly the same

Also I feel like ZDoom and such tend to feel less responsive somehow. Can’t pin down how exactly