classic-doom

[gusty falcon]

Honestly I think it shouldn't
Have you seen the crazy things people have made in that engine
(gz doom)
There is a side scrolling run and gun on itch.io made in that engine it's far past being just a doom engine

[steel lion]

its zdoom

not gzdoom

[gusty falcon]

Zdoom is kinda not even in the picture anymore now though you'd have to go out of your way to actually get it

Hence why I'm mainly focusing on gz rather than z

[steel lion]

yeah but its based on it

or atleast be consireded something separated from other things

[gusty falcon]

based is only a foundation gz doom has pretty much become its own commercial engine now surpassing what it's original could accomplish and then some.

[steel lion]

and something called qzdoom i think in the wiki

[royal heron]

That's for VR

No

ZDoom is too different from the Doom engine

And GZDoom is based off ZDoom, so it counts

Boom barely modifies the game, so it counts

But ZDoom adds things like freelook and jumping

[azure nimbus]

Binaristically saying what is and isn't "doom" is only so easy. We can say that gzdoom is about as far from vanilla classic doom as you can get though.

[royal heron]

Gets rid of things like projectile clippiing through use of floating poibt variables, etc.

[azure nimbus]

Does either Boom or MBF fix noclipping projectiles?

[royal heron]

Nope

I get noclipping manc projectiles quite often

[azure nimbus]

wow. maybe I just got lucky but I could've sworn that I see it more often in vanilla. Maybe because boom mappers are more aware that it exists? Confirmation bias I suppose.

[royal heron]

Or at least to my extent, it does not

ZDoom-based ports also have a real-time timer as opposed to the in-game tics, and uses real RNG as opposed to the pseudo-RNG table that Doom normally uses

[azure nimbus]

noclipping projectiles, jank collision, trash hitboxes that make melee garbage against mancs, that weird extra speed on north or east walls, that's vanilla lol.

Boom also changes the RNG. Vanilla uses a table. BOOM has some idk, actual stat thing that they do.

[royal heron]

Yeah all that is kept in Boom afaik

[royal heron]

Yeah it widens the RNG values a bit

The trash hitboxes for mancs, arachnotrons, and SMM is kept tho

God it's horrible trying to berserk either a manc or arachnotron to death

[azure nimbus]

I think decino said in his video but still not totally sure: they take away the seed dependency on computer timer for demos so that they play back equivilently

yeah, that was one of the nice things about heartland: the axe range was so big that you could hit a manc

tbh I don't know why the hitboxes are so weird. maybe because the hitbox(for damage) is inside some "bounding" box for player /monster movement. Maybe it has to do with your shortrange hitscan melee not reaching its origin. I'm really unsure. All I know is that I can't melee big guys.

[royal heron]

Yeah

The fireax is so fun to use in Heartland

Man I really gotta go back to it

I'm on the 3rd map rn

[steel lion]

i hate something about demon meele attacks

they dont check for the height

[dapper flint]

[azure nimbus]

try it with berserk. idk how they did it, but berserk buffs the axe. I did notice that idchoppers does not work in heartland though

[royal heron]

Yeah the start of map07 gives berserk with a fireaxe

You can 1-tap mancubi and hell knights even with it iirc

[azure nimbus]

can't remember it being used elsewhere. I found myself not using it after the first room. Maybe you'll use it more often idk.

I remember that it would almost always gib imps, and 1 or 2 tap knights. Not sure if I ever got the 1 tap manc though. Range seems wide but huge damage

and the gore effects are a nice improvement

[vivid vine]

Axe in MetaDoom slaps health pickups out of enemies

[steel lion]

i can beat a hell knight with two rockets

but i have little problem

i recieve a lot of damage

[royal heron]

They do same damage as barons

But with nerfed health

[azure nimbus]

"what if we did barons and spiderdemons but...smaller?" - Sandy Peterson. Maybe not the most on-the-face-of-it creative idea but it's nice to have a basic projectile thrower with normal health and a projectile thrower with chaingunner ai(shoot until out of LoS)

[royal heron]

"Hey dude, what if we had the cacodemon, but it was brown and spat out lost souls?" - some random dude at the iD office

[steel lion]

im on map 28 im going to beat doom 2

[azure nimbus]

Idk if I can still be a PE apologist after failing MSCPmap14's PE room and struggling with the pain eles on sunder's platforming 5th map

[royal heron]

Pain elementals are rearely used well

And even then I still hate em

[azure nimbus]

got some good sounds and animations though

[royal heron]

I suppose

[steel lion]

map 29

[azure nimbus]

I could really see map 5 ending my short streak of uv saveless runs for sunder. The platforming + the cybers is a bit much

[dapper flint]

I've seen quite a few maps where they have and force you to prioritize alot like hitscanners. Testing your movement in a arena situation

[steel lion]

im happy

map 30

[patent kiln]

so i wanna get into map making

but like

i'm kinda dumb

[steel lion]

tell that to me

[dapper flint]

@halcyon willow how did you start out

[steel lion]

i dont know how to make a switch

[azure nimbus]

beating those last levels way faster than I did

[patent kiln]

me either lmao

[steel lion]

nice

[halcyon willow]

Downloaded a level editor. Started making shit

[smoky lodge]

Has anybody ran into the problem with trying to download Doom 1 through the Microsoft store?

[dapper flint]

Like a boss

[halcyon willow]

But yeah, that's pretty much the only way to get started. Fuck around and find out.

[dapper flint]

Guess that's the best way to see if you have what it takes hey

Trial by fire

[vague cloud]

Ahhhh. Yet another brilliant doom moddin' server.

[zenith berry]

I wonder if Freedoom is playable as a WAD in the Doom Classic Unity ports.

[steel lion]

no

[pearl osprey]

iirc you can play custom wads on unity, I forgot how but I am sure it's 100% possible

[eternal lance]

but freedoom is an iwad that requires a limit-removing port,doesn't it

[finite crag]

nope
last I checked from the discord it's now entirely vanilla compatible
also I'm pretty sure the Unity port is limit removing anyways so

[steel lion]

you have the 21 lost souls limit

[finite crag]

even then
you could still run freedoom

[zenith berry]

Actually I tried running Freedoom as a WAD in the port, but it just causes Doom to become unresponsive.

Is it because of the limits?

[plain apex]

hi guys

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/127323-odamex-saturday-night-smashfest-2-greenwar-last-marine-standing/ leaving this here if its allowed

[kind skiff]

holy shit

why didn't anyone tell me that hate machine was so good

best sigil song

[dapper flint]

Personally triceratoptron is my favorite

[kind skiff]

those tone changes are so nice

idk what they're called

[worthy totem]

Any mods people recommend? I’ve gone through brutal doom, what should I do next?

[dapper flint]

Metadoom

Vanilla doom 4 or embers of Armageddon

[worthy totem]

Thanks, can I just find those on mod db? @dapper flint

[dapper flint]

They're very popular a quick Google search will find them

If you like brutal doom then I'd suggest embers of armageddon more than doom 4 vanilla

Metadoom is a must play though

[royal heron]

Yeah

[worthy totem]

Alright, I’ll do meta doom first then, thanks

[molten iron]

Just finished Scythe, and it is pretty good

The 'Run from it' level is amazing

[fast mortar]

First time it infuriated me because i had no idea how many seconds i had left

But its unique I'll give it that

[royal heron]

Funnily enough most people hate it, but it's a good test for movement

A nice place to practice SR50

[dapper flint]

https://youtu.be/7Sq7Ks6t20U

[limpid folio]

hi folks, my GPU broke and now I've switched to integrated hardware (intel HD630). GZdoom keeps freezing randomly (basically always when i'm shooting a lot)

note: normally it NEVER crashes on me, now it's 15-20 times over a few hours, since the day my dedicated GPU stopped working and i switched to iGPU

what do I do? it's driving me nuts
game runs fine otherwise at 1920x1080 and super solid fps

[molten iron]

Try using other source ports like dsda-doom/woof

Of course you wont be able to play mods like brootal dewm

[limpid folio]

don't play brutal, but i do dabble in other stuff... 90+% of which is for GZdoom

...actually just found this exact issue on the top of the gzdoom forums "technical support" section.

ouch, i feel silly now.
basically the gist of it is "you're boned we don't know why it happens"

will try Vulkan I guess... or software renderer. and disable sound.

thx for the reply

[molten iron]

Also try LZDoom and GZDoom GLES

lzdoom is like gzdoom for lower end systems

gzdoom gles is gzdoom but with a more optimised renderer

Final Doom contains 2 new games (TNT and Plutonia)

They are not just new maps for Doom 2

The engine has a few differences for example

[gusty falcon]

Not under the hood at least thoogh you'd be hard pressed to notice just by looking

[molten iron]

They are, but id software bethesda microsoft is weird

for the unity port, Doom 2 and Final Doom is the same

When in reality they are a bit different

Also, some people cant unlock the addons since they dont have Windows PCs

Want to save money? Unlock them as addons

Are you saying, make Final Doom part of Doom 2?

Yeah, but

They want money

[gusty falcon]

That's what annoys me

They're milking a game they didn't even make

[dapper flint]

Unity makeover ? So basically make so you can't see anything

Sounds good

It looked better before

[molten iron]

Here comes the usual "Resolution fix when?"

[dapper flint]

They destroyed the resolution after the wide-screen update

Then never fixed it

[gusty falcon]

And they wonder why we just keep using our source ports over theirs

[dapper flint]

https://imgur.com/a/GQBBFEm

This is what it used to look like

https://imgur.com/a/wcKD15k

Now

No they just made it widescreen squashed the pixels and then went that's what we were going for

All along

But anyways. I had a great time with unity so I can't hate on it to much. I had alot of fun end of the day

[gusty falcon]

Ah for that i definitely recommend just taking the wads out and tossing them in a source port

[dapper flint]

Yeah I played all the unity add ons before moving on. It's really convenient

[royal heron]

GZDoom automatically comes with GLES now

[molten iron]

oh

[royal heron]

my god that looks like shit

[molten iron]

didnt know about that

[royal heron]

you can set GLES as an option in the renderer in normal GZDoom now

at least, in the latest GZDoom which I think is 4.7.1

[dapper flint]

Really don't get a chance to appreciate our sourceports often hey

[royal heron]

yeah

i mean the bottom picture btw

[dapper flint]

They both aren't the best haha

[limpid folio]

yes, I also noticed this.

for now, setting resolution from 1080p to 720p has seemed to fix the issues!

if it doesn't stick (and i have a hunch which weapons are more prone to cause the game to freeze), I will take a good long look at that GLES!

[dapper flint]

Gles fixed all my lag and res issues. I recommend it. I can play some really insane maps now without a single issue

[errant lake]

heya, how do i get mechanics of og doom like shooting a bfg ball behind me, then being able to look forward and the tracers still draw in gzdoom?

as in get all the older engine quirks and stuff

[pearl osprey]

You can not get 100% compatibility but you can get somewhat close, go to Options > Full options menu > Compatibility options > Set it to Doom (strict)

[royal heron]

yeah you can't get 100% compat with GZDoom

quite unfortunate

[errant lake]

all i want is classic doom with muh' mouselook and jump

and muh' slopes

[vivid vine]

Did me a Doom 2 pistol start at long last just now

[errant lake]

i know, herecy of the highest degree, but eh....

[pearl osprey]

I think you have some of those in dsda-doom

well at least freelook exists in dsda

[errant lake]

i want just weird engine oddities and stuff like the bfg thing i said

[pearl osprey]

doing this is your only option, it may work and it may not

[errant lake]

aight, ill try it...

what will it add back? ive only played gz doom/zdoom

[dapper flint]

I have my gz pretty strict. Infinite height and everything

[errant lake]

wait, will this make sure enemies cant be blasted off platforms?

[dapper flint]

No it just means you can't go under flying ones or over ones under you

[errant lake]

no, i mean can i do that now the strict thing is on

[royal heron]

hm

I think Eternity has jumping? idk tho I gotta check

I know eternity has freelook though

[finite crag]

eternity does have jumping but you have to toggle it

and on that topic, I've never seen a single eternity map that uses jumping
I guess it's because almost everyone in the Doom community is catapedaphobic so /shrug

[limpid folio]

IKR, it's downright bizarre. i'm the kind of deviant who will turn on crouching and jumping in anything i play (doom-wise).

After that one time I jumped over a Revenant's rocket in a narrow passageway, then under another's, then off the side railing ledge and over the 2 Revenants shooting at me... only to turn around and SSG them up close... sorry, i can't go back to regular footslogging

i know i know, heresy

[finite crag]

that's not heresy that's based

[molten iron]

Heresy

[dapper flint]

Whatever helps you have fun that's what matters the most

Not like you're submitting demos or something

Would definitely not call it footslogging though. Dodging Rev rockets and maneuvering around them normally is a art form and takes alot of practice

[finite crag]

honestly yeah

[azure nimbus]

dodging is for newbs. Good players ~~die dozens of times until getting lucky ~~ manipulate rng until getting 10 damage missiles

[dapper flint]

Like a boss

[finite crag]

actual good players don't play Doom, they Live Through Doom

ba dum tiss

[dapper flint]

And have doom rooms ;)

[vast reef]

check out icaruslives on youtube

[gusty falcon]

Well now once again I've noticed a very clear uptick in my doom skills last time i played valiant vaccinated i honestly didn't feel as on point as i am now

For example the blue key ambush in map 2 i handily dealt with without taking a hit

Heck i was doing well enough i actually had a chance to jam to the music some 😆

[gusty falcon]

Such a good feeling!

[dapper flint]

Epic

[steel lion]

should i download dsda doom?

[royal heron]

the amount of bad reviews on nuts.wad makes me laugh

like seriously what else were people thinking when they downloaded it

[royal heron]

sure, it you're interested in it

[steel lion]

ok

[eternal lance]

actual peanuts maybe

[steel lion]

maybe they thought it was a slaughter but the demons are,nuts

[finite crag]

They really thought they could get 100% kills

[steel lion]

wait?

really?

[finite crag]

Maybe

No way you can kill all those cyber demons though so I’m sure people were mad at that

If they didn’t actually think it was a serious mod which I’m sure some did

[steel lion]

im going to download it and play it a while

[finite crag]

It feels pretty hard until you realize how much ammo and stuff they actually give you

Then It becomes super easy

[steel lion]

im playing it

and it runs faster than nuts3

[patent agate]

Doom chat

I told my friend that DOOM is my favorite fps ever, he got dissapointed its not call of duty or something

He knows so little bout DOOM

[steel lion]

yeah

doom is eternal

[patent agate]

He says the graphics sucked lol

I mean, the game is almost 3 decades old

[steel lion]

yeah

but i think its still better than pokemon on the gba

[patent agate]

Of course

[steel lion]

nuts 1 is hard

[patent agate]

Yes it is

I havent tried the others tho

Only nuts1

[steel lion]

i tried nuts3 but its too heavy for my cellphone

[patent agate]

Lol

[steel lion]

yeah...

but nuts1 runs normal

[vast reef]

i like the old-school feel of doom

[zenith berry]

To me, good graphics does not always equal a good game.

Doom’s sprite and graphics have aged well imo.

[fast mortar]

If i was alive in 93 and saw the graphics my jaw would fuckin drop lol

[finite crag]

give me rent

[zenith berry]

You’ll get your rent when you fix this damn door!

[zenith berry]

That’s exactly how people reacted when it first came out

[fast mortar]

Its a free country not a rent free country

[safe moon]

Just finished map 15 of btsx 2 and uhh yeah its one of those maps that just forces me to use noclip to find out how tf to progress

[azure nimbus]

if someone is a graphics elitist in some sense, there are advanced ports with HD, widescreen, and of course masters at using OTEX who make mapsets

[safe moon]

they definitely look like early 90s stop motion, especially noticeable on the mastermind, but yeah theyve aged well

i still dont like how the imp blends in with the earth/soil textures but yknow

[azure nimbus]

oh, there are sprite fixes to some of that. Like the most famous of course is the sprite fixing project which severely reduces the jank on a ton of animations

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/62403-doom-2-minor-sprite-fixing-project-v20-beta-1-release-updated-11822/ this thing. It keeps the vanilla sprites spiritually in tact

[safe moon]

ye i use that sometimes, dont like how it messes with the opening screen doe whenever i use a custom wad

gonna have to dig into slade for that at some point

[azure nimbus]

at least skillsaw seems to use some of it already in his zombieman sprites

[safe moon]

thats neat

oh right i forgot about valiant and heartland

[azure nimbus]

idk if he includes the full thing or just the zombie changse

[safe moon]

hmm to pistol start or not to pistol start...

[azure nimbus]

pistol start. Nearly all levels are balanced around it

[safe moon]

s i g h

probably wont do it for heartland doe

that thing looks brutal.

[azure nimbus]

I did it pretty recently. It really isn't too bad. And the difficulty does not come from grabbing weapons

[safe moon]

gonna make it easier doe, did skillsaw buff the pistol in there or something?

[azure nimbus]

it does seem very slightly faster. The main difference is that you can get two of them. And you can get a second smg too. Pistols are fully accurate or perhaps only fully accurate in bursts so still useful at very long ranges even if you have 1 or two smgs

Skillsaw being Skillsaw does design with continuous play in mind too. This is very clear with his health at the exits, lack of backpacks until the end, forced pistol start later on, ammo placement, etc but I would still recommend pistol starting

[safe moon]

oh cool, love me some buffed pistols

anything's better than vanilla doom's pistols

[azure nimbus]

There are a few weapon changes: ability to carry two pistols, ability to carry two smgs, plasma is replaced with a flamethrower, bfg replaced with cluster bomb launcher (kinda a super rocket launcher)

[safe moon]

hmm is it similar to something like the weapons from ROTT?

[azure nimbus]

the flamethrower shoots these flame projectiles which tag an enemy and location with fire which hurts everything in a small radius. And with its high fire rate and surprisingly good ammo, it's very powerful. Just be careful not to burn yourself. idk what ROTT's weapons are like

[safe moon]

same, planning to play it at some point
someone did make a sequel to ROTT in doom as a Mod doe

idk if its a TC but yeah

[fast mortar]

the worst maps due to confusion for me have to be nemesis from alien vendetta or redrum from tnt revilution

[azure nimbus]

Most of heartland is balanced around having those dual smgs. The cluster bomb launcher shows up much more often.

[safe moon]

cant wait to test those out once im done with btsx 2

[azure nimbus]

I actually kinda liked nemesis for its hidden pathwayto skip right to the blue key

[finite crag]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man3-mr-ditkovich-give-me-rent-gif-21514950

[earnest sparrow]

Any wads with good aesthetic?

[fast mortar]

The skies in ancient aliens are beautiful, other than that idk

[royal heron]

Anything made by Skillsaw

Heartland, Ancient Aliens, etc.

Ribbiks is also good too, but his wads are hard

Stardate 20x6, Sunlust, among others

[safe moon]

Auger Zenith and Diabolus Ex

i prefer auger zenith since its alot more retro looking than diabolus ex since its got a really clean look, too clean so i usually pair it with a robot enemy replacement mod or something like that

[dapper flint]

Definitely. It's a skill building exercise if anything. I'd highly recommend it if you want to grow as a doom player.

[molten iron]

Pistol starting is great

It makes the start of the levels much more exciting

Its the way I play most wads

[pearl osprey]

not to mention most wads are made with pistol starting in mind

[finite crag]

Hey guys are they still adding add-ons to the modern Doom ports?

(Also I used to just not pistol start but I recently replayed Doom 1993 with pistol starting and it was awesome, highly recomment)

[dapper flint]

I wouldn't hold my breath

[azure nimbus]

it is interesting seeing Casali play through plutonia and mostly play continuously though. Apparenetly, they didn't design for it

[finite crag]

:^(

[dapper flint]

You could try a source port? Infinite "add ons"

[finite crag]

I have, I personally just prefer the official ports.

They feel more authentic. Nice halfway point between GzDoom looking too clean and modern, and other source ports being too crunchy.

[pearl osprey]

that opinion aboutta anger a lotta people ^

[steel lion]

nop

[steel lion]

uhmmnm kinda

i played the mobile version,and its playable

i dont hate it

for me its better than doom retro

[molten iron]

MtPain27 just made a new video about the Auger Zenith megawad

and it looks amazing

Im impressedd the dudes over at Doomer Boards made this

[dapper flint]

Just watched it and then got the wad instantly

It's on the list for the channel now

[finite crag]

I play the PC version of it. It's cool.

How do you add custom add-ons again? To the modern Doom ports, I mean.

I specifically remember Bethesda saying it had support on PC to import your own .wads but I forget where they said how to do that.

[sharp jetty]

Are you referring to the Xbox app where on the three dotted button next to the game page, there's the option to Enable Mods?

[finite crag]

No I mean, like, the Add-Ons in the new ports for Doom. I'm on Steam. You download Add-Ons from the main menu from Bethesda.net, but IIRC you can add your own locally if you're on PC.

[sharp jetty]

Ah, I see. It's probably something like TF2 where there's a custom file in the folders. There's probably a video out there that'll help you. I'm also interested in playing some WADS after I finish Plutonia and TNT.

[finite crag]

you got a link to that robot enemy replacement mod👉 👈

[steel lion]

i beat nuts 1

[azure nimbus]

Between crispy doom, DSDA, Woof, Eternity, and lots of options for them, I'm sure that you can find a resolution or widescreen/notwidescreen that suits you on an engine that has a lot more stability and customization and features than Unity. I for one, like the vanilla feel. Which is why I like boom and mbf ports. they retain the vanilla feel while adding features

[finite crag]

Perhaps.

[azure nimbus]

I was slow to move from unity too because I'm so trash at computers

[finite crag]

Those are cool, I'll try them out - I just dislike how much finagling is needed to play the games.

Oh no yeah I get that, I'm decent with computers. I used to play on GzDoom and Chocolate Doom before the Unity port came out.

[azure nimbus]

with a launcher, there's little finagling. but yeah anything new ofc (actually I can't figure out how to do addons for unity lol)

[finite crag]

I actually just figured it out, I thought you had to make a folder and all.

Turns out you literally just drop the lone .wad into the WADS folder.

But it doesn't let you add metadata or pictures, which sucks.

[azure nimbus]

rip sprite fixing project

[molten iron]

Damn

If you havent already

Go play Auger Zenith

This wad is something else

And its Limit removing btw. Not gzdoom only

[dapper flint]

Dude really sold you on it hey

[vivid vine]

MtPain27's nostalgia had me trying to play TNT. Hes good at words.

I mean I dropped it because it was miserable but I got 7 maps in on the pistol start journey

[dapper flint]

I really love blade runner so that's what sparked my interest

[vivid vine]

I'd say the issue there is he grew up only having Final Doom where your choice is only TNT or always Plutonia

Since he had no choice but to learn the maps and get used to them he doesn't associate them with the malaise most do

And even he pointed out several of its maps as unbearable

[royal heron]

You can try Eternity Engine

it's like a mashup of ZDoom and PrBoom+

you can even run certain UDMF wads in it

[pearl osprey]

Eternity engine is so underrated imo

[royal heron]

yeah not a lot of people have heard abt it

it's mostly just GZDoom or PrBoom+ and its forks

[dapper flint]

I'll use eternity for Heartland. That's about it

[fast mortar]

Dude i just started this wad today and im hooked as hell

absolutely gorgeous

[molten iron]

I just cant believe this is made under the limits of the engine

just wow

[molten iron]

same

The port is cool, but it just can't beat dsda-doom :P

[fast mortar]

Reminds me a lot of ion fury

[dapper flint]

I'm a big blade runner fan so as soon as I saw the references I got the wad lol

[fast mortar]

The usage of home resonance in the second map completely sold me after the visuals lel

[safe moon]

didnt like ion fury that much when i first played it

or maybe im just spoiled by doom, the enemy dynamic feels better here

[vivid vine]

The enemy dynamic of Blood

[dapper flint]

The enemy dynamic of big nose

[vivid vine]

The Mucus Flow

[azure nimbus]

if you enjoy the mucus flow, I have to recommend Speed of Doom or even Darkwave(mapmaker). The inspiration is clear

[azure nimbus]

I've noticed some eternity cheats don't work in heartland: giveweap4 crashes the game. idchoppers does nothing. Intersting how that works out

[distant sun]

can you use gz doom or another source port on the gamepass verison of doom and doom 2

[steel lion]

maybe

[gusty falcon]

If you can access wherever the files are stored and then copy the wad files out then 100 percent yes

[royal heron]

^

[finite crag]

hey im new to doom speedrunning and i'm so confused on why il's are so empty on speedrun.com. Not to mention https://www.speedrun.com/doom1/run/yd6jn1vz is on hurt me plenty and not UV?!?!?!

[royal heron]

Mainly because speedrun.com isn't really used for DOOM speedrunning

most people use DSDA

[finite crag]

ohhhh thanks

[royal heron]

which stands for Doom Speed Demos Archive

the website URL is just dsdarchive.com

[finite crag]

thanks

[royal heron]

np :)

[finite crag]

how do u run a doom demo? i ran the .lmp file and my computer doesnt run it

[vast reef]

you're using dsda-doom or prboom right

[pearl osprey]

Use -playdemo in the command line

-playdemo filename.lmp

[steel lion]

-record <filename> for recording it

[fast mortar]

Crudex cruo!

[molten iron]

https://dsdarchive.com/intro

https://dsdarchive.com/guides/dsda_doom

[sharp jetty]

I spent ten minutes being murdered by an army of revenants and an archvile in Plutonia only to accidentally quicksave in one of the inescapable pits.

[brisk hemlock]

< was this really going to be the caco or is it fan made? lmao

[fallen lake]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, CACO LOOK FUNNY HAHAHAHAHAhahaha....ha, wait is that real

[vast reef]

fanmade

[finite crag]

Me when Plutonia 2 doesn't work as a Unity Add-on and just crashes my game:

[past field]

I tink its because it needs a DeHacked patch

[finite crag]

Doesn't the Unity version support that?

I have the .wad and the .deh file in there!

I guess this is because Plutonia 2 runs off of the Plutonia iwad and not the Doom 2 iwad. Is there a way to get past this with the Unity port or no?

[royal heron]

This is what rewind is for in dsda-doom

Accidentally fuck up? Rewind time, then save again

Most useful feature by far added to any sourceport

[vast reef]

really useful for getting the map layout into your head

[zenith berry]

I think for now it only supports DEHs that are embedded into the PWAD, some if not most mods that make use of it, especially those made for Vanilla, have the DEH file separately, outside the PWAD.

I was able to load Doom 4 Vanilla to the Unity port, with all of its intended behaviours, since the DEH file is already embedded to the PWAD.

Now, it would be cool if we’re able to load custom mods directly from the game as well as the DEH files. Currently the way to load custom mods in the Unity release is to put a PWAD on the Saved Games folder.

[finite crag]

Is there any way to embed it myself?
I also think it's probably screwed because it's supposed to use Plutonia as an IWAD, not Doom 2, but the Doom 2 release has no option to do so.

Is there anyway to go around this issue?

I successfully got DTWID working with Doom 1 by just dropping it into the WADS folder with the other add-on folders, but doing the same with PL2 and its .deh file just makes the game crash when I try to start a level.

[limpid zinc]

Yes. You can use an editor like SLADE 3

[finite crag]

And is there any way to fix the whole deal with it needing to use Plutonia.wad instead of Doom2.wad?

[limpid zinc]

It might work with the doom 2 wad. If it doesn’t you could use the temporary solution of replacing the doom 2 iwad that the port uses with a plutonia iwad, but this will break a lot of stuff

[finite crag]

I see.

I have no clue how to embed the .deh into the .wad with SLADE but I'll figure it out.

Well I did it, but it still didn't work.

Dragged the .deh file into the wad and that's all I did.

[lone hamlet]

what is y'alls favorite doom wad

[limpid zinc]

I can try it out in like half an hour when I get home

[finite crag]

That'd be awesome, thanks.

[bold vale]

can I edit DOOM.WAD's resources somehow, like straight up edit the photo of a demon etc. I wanted to make a meme edit

Yes I own it

[royal heron]

use SLADE3

[bold vale]

Thanks!

[royal heron]

np :)

[past field]

nuts 3 is the worst nuts wad
change my mind

[limpid zinc]

This’ll probably take a bit to figure out if it can even be done

[finite crag]

Aw, man.

[finite crag]

I also tried replacing Doom2.wad with the Plutonia wad, then running it with the Plutonia 2 addon. That also didn't work. Still crashes.

[vast reef]

i know you probably have a reason for this that i'm not aware of and i'm looking like an idiot again, but why not use a sourceport like dsda doom or crispy doom?

[finite crag]

I personally just like being consistent. I like the official ports and I've been using them to play classic Doom, and I have the settings tuned the way I want them.

I like having one consistent thing to run this shit on, if I run a source port just for one pwad that should be vanilla compatible it'll just be weird.

I dunno, my head is weird like that.

[vast reef]

dsda-doom runs pretty much all wads that aren't designed for gzdoom

[vast reef]

i get your point

it's weird having an extra sourceport just for one wad

[finite crag]

Yeah.

I do use GzDoom sometimes, mainly for some of the bigger shit like Reelism

[vast reef]

especially if it should be vanilla compatible

i'll backread on your situation and try to help

[finite crag]

Thanks.

[vast reef]

i can't confirm i'll be of much use since my knowledge on doom's technical side really isn't that good

[azure nimbus]

does unity even have custom controls? I couldn't find any on controller

[finite crag]

TLDR, Plutonia 2 has to be run from Plutonia.iwad, not Doom2.iwad. But you can only run one add-on in the Unity port at a time. So I can't run both the Plutonia addon and Plutonia 2.

I thought the DeHacked thing was the issue, but it's not. I merged the .deh with the .wad and that's all good, but it still will not work. The port will display Plutonia 2's title screen, but it crashes when I select any level (which it falsely displays as Doom 2's levels)

[azure nimbus]

what happens if you run it in the opposite one? I've tried running doom2 pwads with plutonia's iwad and it was fine.

[finite crag]

Well with source ports I imagine that's no issue.

[vast reef]

i don't think you can do much here

[azure nimbus]

ohh because unity treats plutonia as an addon instead of its own thing

[finite crag]

With this, the Unity port is set up so you run addons on top of the one you bought. But you can only select one addon at a time, and it can only point to doom2.wad, which is unfortunate because Plutonia.wad is needed for Plutonia 2.

I tried just replacing Doom2.wad with the Plutonia wad and just renaming it - that didn't work either, it stil falsely displayed Plutonia 2's levels as the levels from the base wad, being Plutonia.

[vast reef]

i think your best bet is redoing plutonia 2 to be a doom 2 pwad, but that honestly seems like too much effort

[azure nimbus]

When I get around to combat shock 1, I'll try doing it "wrong." It uses plutonia iwad

[finite crag]

Yeah and I'm just too dumb to figure out how to do that haha.

[finite crag]

Thanks.

[dapper flint]

I don't think so no

I think always run is as customized as it gets lol

[finite crag]

on pc, yes on console, no

[vital knoll]

Sigil 2 happening? I’m sure you’ve already discussed it at length but I just heard about it

[mellow matrix]

Romero has confirmed it yea. 30 or 32 levels too, so a full megawad.

[dapper flint]

And doom 2 so barons get the ssg treatment this time. Hopefully hellknight use

[pearl osprey]

Do we know how many maps sigil 2 is going to have?

[dapper flint]

Lol look above

[steel lion]

i think 0.4 maps

[willow bay]

Ok I’m new so all of what you guys are saying is confusing (trying to be an ass)

Except the sigil part since I played it and died every time I did

Sorry I meant try to not be an ass my dumbass forgot to add it

[steel lion]

@willow bay play the games to understand

[azure nimbus]

which part was confusing?

[willow bay]

I don’t know never mind just acting like I’ve never played but really I’ve beat doom like 2 or 3 times and really it’s me being nervous to speak since I feel out of place here since you guys are so much better than me

[azure nimbus]

not everyone here is good and people who are more well-versed are often usually pretty open to newish people

[finite crag]

There is nothing wrong with that! A lot of people here are better than me at these games.

The cool thing about Doom is that it does a good job of making you feel like a super skilled badass even if you're not doing the best.

[azure nimbus]

depends on the level of course. skillsaw will do that. Whereas Josh Sealy will bury you for slipping up

[willow bay]

Yep and thanks for the advice it’s just since I just joined today it makes me a small bit nervous

[finite crag]

I'll admit Plutonia makes me feel like I'm on the verge of death.

[azure nimbus]

it's a big jump from vanilla doom2 for sure

[humble jewel]

ty

[steel lion]

gzdoom

[vast reef]

don't worry
i exist

[civic seal]

Hello, do you know about brutal doom, and project brutality?

[dapper flint]

And then you slam the door in his face

[willow bay]

Yes and I love them both (but have never played them since I only have a laptop and ps4 and the laptop would explode and well the ps4 is a console)

But I think project brutality is better

[dapper flint]

I've heard that also

Give metadoom a try though

It's amazing

[earnest sparrow]

Man, Ancient Aliens makes one HELL of a first impression

[dapper flint]

Absolutely

Skillsaw at his best

[earnest sparrow]

Funny thing is that this is the first mod I’ve ever played lol

[vast reef]

AA is a mappack and not a mod (iirc)

[earnest sparrow]

Yeah woops said the wrong thing there

[dapper flint]

Wad

But good first pick

Give eviternity a try also

[earnest sparrow]

Ooh that look cool as well

The thing I love about doom is the fact there are so many great maps that can run on my potato laptop

[dapper flint]

Yeah I used a potato for a while and it ran doom really well until I got into some of the more giant maps

[earnest sparrow]

Guess thats something ill have to watch out for

[lilac jungle]

But can you run Hell on Earth DE? 🧐

[earnest sparrow]

DE?

[lilac jungle]

That map doesn't matter if it's PC, dad or mobile, it works badly :(

[lilac jungle]

What comes to mind when I say DE?

[earnest sparrow]

Shit I don’t know

[lilac jungle]

Come on, it's not that difficult

You can

[lilac jungle]

Ok, time out, DOOM Eternal.

[earnest sparrow]

Oh ok

[lilac jungle]

https://www.moddb.com/mods/embers-of-armageddon/addons/eoa-hell-on-earth

[lilac jungle]

Project Brutality is... I like its animations, but it's a modern or weird modification of Doom.

[lilac jungle]

I can play eoa on a potato pc, maybe the brutal would work, but if you don't have what it takes, then there's android (Delta Touch) I don't know how the hell it works so well.

[gusty falcon]

I've tried running that map on delta it doesn't run all that well but it is playable

Pb I've kinda just given up on untill they majorly overhaul it so it's actually optimized and removes the old code that's just bogging it down

Which they're already in the process of doing

[lilac jungle]

That's why I said, that map works very badly, maybe it's because (I checked if I could go further) and indeed, it's big and obviously the phone or PC wouldn't support that in addition to a possible bad optimization.

[gusty falcon]

yeah I'll never understand devs that build maps for looks over gameplay

[lilac jungle]

....🤔

[gusty falcon]

by that i mean the map is so fancy it runs like ass

[lilac jungle]

We have video games with better textures and bigger maps on mobile...

[gusty falcon]

thats the thing though high quality textures and lots olf fancy graphics effects and increddibly large mapsizes just make the map run poorly

[lilac jungle]

That basically tells us bad optimization, but, also understandably, few people do this.

[gusty falcon]

optimization can only go so far

theres a point where the designer has to cut back on the fancy stuff

i get mapping is art but people are meant to play that art

[lilac jungle]

Will the day come when you can run classic doom perfectly with thousands of mods?

Haha, that would be fun.

[gusty falcon]

probably never cause its not designed to run even hundreds at once

most games have a hard limit to how many modified files can be run with it at once

skyrim legendary is 255

[lilac jungle]

Hmm, have you heard the phrase never say never?

[gusty falcon]

yea but that appiles to people surpassing thier limits

technology on the other hand has built in limits that cant be surpassed without changing it fundementally

for example upgrading a gpu in a pc

[lilac jungle]

Follow...

[gusty falcon]

although in the case of a game engine like gz doom to have it allow more mods than whatever its limit number is you'd probably have to do more than just upgrade a part of it

alot of its probems are so deeply ingrained it would take a full rewrite of it but no one is balsy enough to actually do that

[lilac jungle]

Dumb?

Sometimes I don't understand, language barrier.

[halcyon willow]

No, no one's got the time to do that. It would take years to rebuild gzdoom

[gusty falcon]

exactly i doubt even bethesda and id themselves helping the community do it would lessen that time by very much at all

[lilac jungle]

So...

sadness

Leaving the sadness aside, I want to try an ak in doom, do you know any mod?

[gusty falcon]

u

call of doom has an ak

[lilac jungle]

To think we didn't see those weapons on the cover of the game.

Smgs

[gusty falcon]

well there are 70 weapons and they are abit randomized each run so you wont see it every time
although its not the ak47 but another ak variant

theres plenty of smgs in the mod definetly

[lilac jungle]

Ah...

I hate you Vega.

[lilac jungle]

can i dm?

[gusty falcon]

sure

[finite crag]

What do u think is harder, 36 on Chasm without wall running strat, or 8 sec on hanger?

[past field]

I switched back to ZDL

doomrunner just doesnt save anything for me, like for example, I load pdr, play it for a bit, remove it, play another mod, and when I reopen doomrunner, my mod was removed and pdr is there

[pearl osprey]

I've had this problem,If you have it in an administrator folder like C:/Program Files it has that issue on both ZDL and Doomrunner and even dome sourceports can't save their configs, check if where doomrunner is installed

[past field]

I just have it in my gzdoom folder

[fast mortar]

Me: auger zenith cant possibly get any better

Auger zenith: lemme real quick just

USES STREETS OF RAGE SOUNDTRACK

[wanton cedar]

best mods?

[royal heron]

Hm... I would say 8 on E1M1

36 for chasm is also stupidly RNG based, but most of the level relies on your movement skills

Meanwhilr E1M1 is like 25% movement 75% RNG

It's stupid as hell

[prime lava]

8 on e1m1

I speak from experience :p

36 on the chasm w/o wallrun is not that hard

[sly bay]

hey im back

its me the deadarchive guy

so i wanna set up project brutality 3.0

[azure nimbus]

just beating e1m1 alone is hard enough

[royal heron]

tru tru

a 9 probably isn't feasible for the normal person either

10? probably

9? better have RNG on your side and straferun

[sly bay]

yo uh

how do i set up project brutality

[pearl osprey]

Download it, extract it if it's in an archive (rar/zip/7z), then to run it simply drag and drop the pk3 file on GZDoom.exe

[sly bay]

which pk3 file.

[pearl osprey]

should be inside the archive file

[sly bay]

i just looked inside the mod folder again

no pk3s in the folder

also the setup instructions said to download repository as an exe file and put it over gzdoom

[pearl osprey]

oh nvm you just drag and drop the zip file over gzdoom https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/881879672365940816/941698513249648642/unknown.png

Just download it then drag and drop it on over GZDoom

[prime lava]

think it would be

I got 9 within like 5 days of my first time playing doom

definitely requires practice though

I think I grinded a lot over those 5 days 🤣

so not free but I think with practice you can get it

[royal heron]

It definitely is but only if you put dedication into it

[dapper flint]

Confused is also a natural born speed runner with talent. That helps too

[finite crag]

I installed doom last week and got a 9

Trying to learn sr50, but i keep hitting the walls XD

[ionic sable]

https://youtu.be/nPIv0Weznxs

[dapper flint]

Hahahahah gold

[steel lion]

what does zandronum triying to be?

[slim willow]

a multiplayer sourceport?

[vast reef]

good modded online multiplayer at the cost of less features (compared to gzdoom)

[plain apex]

oops

[plain apex]

event begins tonight if you want me to do more weekly events like this feel free to talk to me.

[safe moon]

anyone still remember doomcon?

[amber pelican]

I just did a list up of EVERY Doom Level(As in the official ones, Including the Shovelware D!Zone game Levels), and there are a total of: 5,604 total levels, assuming that One Guy decided to do a let's play doing 100% completion runs(or in levels where getting 100% is literally impossible, 90%) of each and every level and spent posted 1 video EVERY DAY, it would take 15 years, it would take 7.5 years if the individual posted 2 videos every day, however that would be a truly mentally frying task(For me at least).

It's just nuts to think that that is how much content is out there so far as commercial releases are concerned, and 2/3 of it is Shovelware.

[pearl basin]

Literally Doom is Eternal

[finite crag]

Maximum doom alone is 1830 Levels

There are way more than 5,000 btw

Think of how many wads there are

There’s got to be 50-100k levels out there

[azure nimbus]

what else is in maximum doom beyond master levels?

[visual flare]

helo

can i ask

how to setup brutal doom

[civic seal]

Download gzdoom, download brutal doomv21. Should be a pk3 file after extracting it

Drag pk3 file over gzdoom

Look up some videos to clarify

[finite crag]

There is a doom slayer reward skin when you complete doom 1996

[azure nimbus]

what is doom1996

[finite crag]

The very very first doom i forgot the launch date

[prime lava]

93

[royal heron]

93'

[dapper flint]

Master levels are better

[hybrid canopy]

a

Ive been doing demon scouting

I got 3 demons so far of the class pinky

1. summon demon
   Spawns A Pinky, 150 health.

2. summon slimeworm
   Spawns a slimeworm, wormish like demon with 140 health.

3. summon blindpinky
   Spawns a pinky, but has no eyes and listens to sound with 150 health.

[plain apex]

in 18 mins

[amber pelican]

I just played one of the levels that comes from one of the D!Zone Shovelware Compilations and straight from the start, you are in this very tiny, compact room with practically no room to manouver and at the bottom of this pipe thing is a Cacodemon that you have to fight in this small room, aand as you progress, you have to fight an Archvile, grrrrr, worst map I have played yet, makes Doom's Episode 2 much more appealing, and THAT is saying something as I'm not a big fan of Doom Episode 2's levels(Sorry Sandy).

[steel lion]

what is d!zone?

[steel lion]

oh

[amber pelican]

What is D!Zone, well they call it a "Commercial Add-On" for Doom and Doom II, but realistically it's just a compilation of wads taken from the net and shoveled onto a disc to be sold to consumers who were wanting more Doom(Can't blame the fans for wanting more), some wads are good, some are bad, some sit in between, just depends on what you define as good, bad or meh, they also have other Shovelware Compilations like Q!Zone for Quake, H!Zone for Heretic, Duke!Zone for Duke Nukem 3D, the list goes on, and on.

[steel lion]

oh cool

[amber pelican]

Yeah, and I've tried like 5 maps, 2 are pretty good, 2 were shit, and one was just Meh, in my eyes.

one actually has the midi version of Master Of Puppets by Metalica as the levels song, that got me pumped.

[visual flare]

Alright thx man

[azure nimbus]

idoom

[serene horizon]

ey im playing doom 1993 on nightmare mode in vc 3 if anyone wants to see me fail

[safe moon]

btsx 2 has been a pain, especially since im pistol starting

not like "its hard" kind of pain tho that does happen, its more like "why are there 400 monsters again??" and repeat that for almost an entire megawad along with oversized maps

[dapper flint]

Haven't had any issues like that. I did like btsx episode 1 more though

[steel lion]

hey

im killing thousands of lost souls with my bare hands in e3m2

[safe moon]

when you forgot to turn on the "limit pain elemental lost souls" comp

[azure nimbus]

many of them felt like having magnum opus syndrmoe. wonder if I'd still think that after playing more stuff

[keen drift]

cant fkn beat e1m5 on doom 1 pls help

[pearl basin]

[keen drift]

:

[cinder finch]

Do we have a level that makes a modern pc struggle like the given from the last year?

[royal heron]

nuts on GZDoom if you play on a laptop

[dapper flint]

Redoing it with doom 4 vanilla mod and it gives it a fresh coat of paint. It was specially made for btsx. Really fun

[halcyon willow]

I don't think D4V was made specifically for any wad, it's a mod made for whatever you want to use it with

[dapper flint]

I don't know when it came out exactly but there was a btsx version released so just it can run and added assets. I also noticed the enemy balance was alot better than other wads I tried. Just flows really well.

Yeah it was just a compatibility patch

I'm not sure if they made any other changes

https://youtu.be/KqBvoHiEbmk

[halcyon willow]

Yeah that makes more sense

[dapper flint]

Something about it just really fits the aesthetics

[halcyon willow]

Because d4v makes pain elementals static it doesn't actually work well with most wads unfortunately

[dapper flint]

Ahhh! Gotcha. Yeah, see I'm probably only going to use it for btsx. It just didn't feel great with other maps

[fast solar]

i like doom 2

[vivid vine]

There was hope they might come back now that Eternal has modern Pain Elementals and do away with turning them into Gore Nests even if not adding anything else from Eternal but that is likely never going to happen

[pure relic]

me too, it's great

[fast mortar]

I actually remember playing doom 1 and 2 keyboard only on DOS two years ago since i didnt know about gzdoom, god damn it was hell but for some reason i liked it and got used to it, never again touched it on DOS ofc lmao

[azure nimbus]

most every source port now-a-days has mouselook

[fast mortar]

Thankfully, i cant imagine ever beating a cyberdemon again with keyboard

[steel lion]

me too

[finite crag]

Anyone know why Discord says the ultimate doom is DOOM 3?

[azure nimbus]

what do you mean by "discord" says this? In this discord server ultimate doom is paired with doom2 in this chatroom. #doom-3 is a separate one. Possible interpretations if someone did say this are an awkward reading/wording of either "ultimate doom was released after doom2 so is in a sense, the third doom" or they're just wrong because doom 3 isn't ultimate doom.

[finite crag]

The discord activity

When I play The Ultimate DOOM it says "Playing: DOOM 3"

[azure nimbus]

oh, then maybe discord is reading that you're running the bfg edition and misinterprets that version of the IWAD because it's from doom 3, OR discord is just dumb

[quartz fog]

i have a theory

one that could shake the universe

it all starts like this
in the amazing world of gumball there's this little girl thing called anais, she owns a pet bunny, and its name is daisy, when anais ever loses the bunny she go sicko mode, sound familiar? because it's the exact same way doomguy acts, so therefore doomguy and anais are the same person but anais is the 4 year old version of doomguy, he's not doomguy, he's
....
doom girl

[slim willow]

I have a better theory

Doomguy = Ness

[dapper flint]

[safe moon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/314489273153749013/942644109984825394/unknown.png

i hate this map alot :D

[trim dagger]

Is it true that you can play doom on a toaster

[halcyon willow]

if you believe hard enough

[slim willow]

You have to make a wish to the Carmack Fairy.

[finite crag]

i can't beat the speedrun achievment

[amber pelican]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ss_gli8atM omg

[copper edge]

How do cacodemons and pain elementals fly?

[pearl osprey]

Using the force of constant farts

[finite crag]

How to escape big hordes of demons and enemies (please help my guns won’t stop them and even if I try to escape they follow quick and throw fire at me)

[tacit remnant]

Dodge and get them to hit each other. Also if your guns aren’t working, you aren’t shooting enough

[royal heron]

Shoot more

Shoot at them until they die

And dodge the projectiles

Or let them infight

[past field]

Bfg

BFG stands for Burritos From Germany

[hallow herald]

Yes

[dapper flint]

Stay on one side while shooting. When they get closer you run the other direction. And repeat. Basically herding them like cattle

[fast solar]

can you play chex quest with brutal doom?

[torn pivot]

Crispy Hexen, Crispy Heretic, Crispy Doom Feb 2022 update version 5.11.1
https://youtu.be/cyG1SlVWExY

[atomic dust]

is it worth playing the ps1 port of the game?

[civic seal]

I would like to know this as well

[finite crag]

I'd say yeah, it is

[dapper flint]

Yeah. It is

[rotund oyster]

evryone chat i if you played all the doom games

i

[normal token]

yo no

[granite basin]

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/127451-poogerswad/

[steel lion]

mee

[finite crag]

Stay on one side while shooting. When they get closer you run the other direction. And repeat. Basically herding them like cattle And dodge the projectiles Dodge and get them to hit each other. Also if your guns aren’t working, you aren’t shooting enough

@royal heron @tacit remnant @dapper flint thanks

[tacit remnant]

👍

[dapper flint]

You got this

[gusty falcon]

On the subject of helping people deal with monsters I got recommended this
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a2DJHSErSdA&t=861s

[dapper flint]

He's a fellow Canadian

Nice tip for sure

[woven nest]

I forget how damn brutal doom 2 is

I'm stuck in the Crusher cause I relied on the Revenant to infight with the shotgunners

Now every time I go up the damn lift, they all team up on me

[safe moon]

someone made a Total Conversion recreating the ps1 port for pc if u wanna

[finite crag]

Bro doom 2 can be just a doom 1 remake

[cosmic pagoda]

what? doom 2 brutal?

[azure nimbus]

yeah it's the same mechanics but I'm not complaining that we get ssg, manc, rev, arch, pain(well him a lil bit), chaingunner

[cosmic pagoda]

doom 2 is relatively easy

its easier than the rest of the iwads except episodes 1-3

[azure nimbus]

I thought they meant brutal doom. not that doom2 is brutal. Yeah it just sounds like an unreliable strategy for shotgunners to infight the rev. you can just kill the rev with your shotgun

[cosmic pagoda]

I think ultimate doom episode 4 is even more difficult than plutonia tbh

maybe because I played way more of the latter though, but some of the maps on e4 like e4m1 can slap you real hard

[azure nimbus]

still, lots of e4 is kinda a joke. Only m1,m2,m6 are real threats

[graceful galleon]

@elder hollow I lost my Account

[royal heron]

this ^

[vivid vine]

Few maps of Doom 2 were trouble pistol start but mostly that felt more like bizarre mapper choices

MAP23 just felt dumb and was making me angry

[grim pollen]

Map23 is supposed to be fun, not dumb.

[dapper flint]

Play episode 5. It's good times

[icy fulcrum]

Anyway I finished playing Eviternity. And it's surprising how the latest episode looks so much like Urdak. Even Khan Makyr looks a lot like the final boss from Eviternity.

I genuinely believe that Id was inspired by Eviternity in some way. That or it is simply a coincidence.

[dapper flint]

I'm sure they were

[azure nimbus]

even eviternity did jump pads in map29

[icy fulcrum]

Ye

[glass linden]

Is Doom on IOS any good? The port version on the App Store, curious if it’s a good port.

Speaking about both Doom 1 and 2

[royal heron]

Not really

[steel lion]

doom 64

[dapper flint]

Is Fantastic

lOgIc

[fast mortar]

Bro doom rpg can be just a doom 1 remake

[glass linden]

Bro Doom Eternal can just be a GTA San Andreas remake

[fast mortar]

all you had to do was shoot the icon in its exposed brain doomguy

[fast solar]

how do i play this game online

[rapid umbra]

How do i run MASTERLEVELS.WAD in crispy doom it just runs doom 2 for me

[royal heron]

put -file masterlevels.wad after running the crispy doom exe in command prompt

also that type of file exists?

I thought that each master level was a separate wad

[rapid umbra]

It still opens doom 2

[gusty falcon]

No it's awful actually

[rapid umbra]

Yeah it each level is separate From other levels but people combined them all into one wad

[royal heron]

is the wad in a folder that the command prompt is able to detect?

[rapid umbra]

Yeah in the sane folder as crispydoom

[mighty stone]

Maybe check casing?

How are you putting in the command

It should be something like 'crispy-doom.exe -iwad DOOM2.WAD -file MASTERLEVELS.WAD'

[steel lion]

im going to say it,the touch controls of the unity source port are the best for vanilla doom

[azure nimbus]

what? How is unity more tactile? The controls are the same (except for that auto sr50 thing for controller on I think the pc version of unity)

[steel lion]

of mobile version

they are simple and i like it

[dapper flint]

Console also

[azure nimbus]

tactile doesn't mean simple. Ok, besides the sr50 thing, the controls are next to identical. what specifically is different

[steel lion]

ok see,they are pretty much the best for vanilla doom,cause they are simple and are confortable for everyone

[azure nimbus]

You can set them as the controls for whatever port you like (except I suppose esoteric ports that don't have always run as an option but nobody uses those)

[steel lion]

i think i used the wrong term i meant touch controls

and its better for the people who use controls for playing doom

[azure nimbus]

omg I'm stooopid. I specied "touch controls" (unless that was the part that was edited in afterwards). Ok yeah that makes sense. I don't like touch controls but they're certainly more tactile

[steel lion]

ok sorry i used the wrong term

[azure nimbus]

maybe it was edited in after I legit don't remember. Either way, as is, makes sense. I get it now

[gusty falcon]

Delta touchs are much better and give you far more control over how things are set up

[steel lion]

yeah,only if you are playing with mods or use them

if you are going to play vanilla doom,no

[gusty falcon]

You can play vanilla on delta using pr boom chocolate doom and doom retro

So yeah you can

You can play pretty much the closest thing to dos if that's what you want.

[steel lion]

i know

[gusty falcon]

I see then why make the argument that you can't play vanilla doom on delta when you clearly can?

Unity doom isn't even vanilla doom

[steel lion]

you have a good variety of source ports

[rich skiff]

hey guys

[steel lion]

?

[steel lion]

what

[rich skiff]

do you have the delta touch server link?

[steel lion]

no

[gusty falcon]

It's basically the same thing as prboom plus a limit removing source port

[rich skiff]

i need to update

[halcyon willow]

uhhh no

[rich skiff]

:( Thank you as well

[halcyon willow]

it is far more limited than prboom

closer to crispy

[steel lion]

yeah

[rich skiff]

the verification of project brutality is not working for me and it does not let me enter

a trash

[steel lion]

verification?

[halcyon willow]

that would be something to bring up with the PB server admins

[gusty falcon]

Emile is on that sever try pming him from there

[rich skiff]

I get a verification to be able to enter the server

[steel lion]

oj

[royal heron]

PrBoom+ isn't limit removing, it's boom-derived

[gusty falcon]

My bad I had always thought that if was since id figured that's what Romero used to make sigil although the documentary never did state exactly which source port he used

Just a limit removing one

[royal heron]

SIGIL iirc is a limit-removing wad, although i think it was for GZDoom?

Imma need to look at the txt file again

[rich skiff]

well I will continue testing the verification of project brutality

[azure nimbus]

don't see why sigil can't work in real vanilla vanilla. It does work in unity for example

as in with limits

[gusty falcon]

They probably had to do some magic to do that I'm guessing

[royal heron]

I have been corrected, there is no mention of GZDoom in the txt file

I mean, there is SIGIL Compat

which replaces E3 with SIGIL

not sure if that's vanilla compat or not but most likely

[gusty falcon]

Weird

🤔

[dapper flint]

Explains why sigil on unity has all e1 names

[steel lion]

i used gzdoom and just adds sigil below thy flesh consumed

and you can still play normally inferno

[clever iris]

Sigil was recommended with use of Vanilla centric limit removing source ports like Crispy Doom

but GZDoom is fine to use. I would recommend turning off Y-axis mouselook tho

[dapper flint]

Unity doesn't have the bucket head soundtrack as an option..which was sad news.

[clever iris]

Yeah the Buckethead soundtrack comes on a WAD I beileve

might be a pk3

[limpid zinc]

You can patch it into the wad that it uses with slade3

[limpid zinc]

Nope, it's a pwad

[steel lion]

.wad archive?

[limpid zinc]

Yeah

[dapper flint]

When I played it, it was as the add on option through the re release

[limpid zinc]

Yeah you can find the actual wad in your filesystem and patch it

[clever iris]

It's SIGIL_SHREDS.wad, now I remember

[dapper flint]

Yeah

Wanted to test out uv plus. Then went down that rabbit hole

[dapper flint]

Yep

https://imgur.com/a/TXJqzzD

[steel lion]

what whas the purpose of that floppy disk?

i forgot it

[clever iris]

It has a usb flash drive embedded within

[steel lion]

and?

[clever iris]

that contains SIGIL.wad, SIGIL_SHREADS.wad, the vanilla compatible versions, and I think the buckethed mp3s

[royal heron]

that's because yu used the regular SIGIL pwad

[steel lion]

noice

[royal heron]

not SIGIL_Compat

[dapper flint]

Bucket head soundtrack making of sigil midi track and sigil included

[clever iris]

Oh yeah I forgot the Behind the scenes stuff

[steel lion]

that is the pwad that is used in the unity source ports?

[dapper flint]

Actually really neat to see how it was made. Excited for sigil 2

[royal heron]

most probably? have no idea

[wise sable]

Wait, there's gonna be a Sigil 2?

[tacit remnant]

At some point yes

It’s not using Ultimate Doom as the template though. It’s using Doom 2 Shotgun Boogaloo, which is what I’m calling Doom 2 now

[wise sable]

Ok

[tacit remnant]

Also last I heard it’s nowhere near done

[wise sable]

What difficulty do you play Doom on?

I play on Ultra-Violence.

[tacit remnant]

HMP mostly. I’m currently playing a UV Doom 2 playthrough though

I didn’t grow up playing FPS games so I’m still not good at it

[dapper flint]

Whatever difficulty you're most comfortable with. Most wads were designed around UV though

[brazen blade]

Invasion UAC nice wad

[clever iris]

UV-Fast Monsters is the hardest I'll ever play. Respawning monsters in Nightmare is just not worth it to me. Especially as someone who goes for 100% kills.

[dapper flint]

Personally I like uv plus. Fast kind of forces you in a corner with more passive play

Or strategy honestly

So lately I do either a harder wad or map uv or uv plus

[royal heron]

UV for everything

unless I know specifically a pwad that I'm playing is especially hard

like 20x6 or sunlust

[clever iris]

UV-plus is what the Unity Port calls UV with Fast Monsters correct?

[royal heron]

mhm

[dapper flint]

Well before unity it was just a way to say solo net. So solo net

[royal heron]

and co-op spawns

but yeah generally what Gougaru said

[vivid vine]

Now its sole purpose is to confuse everyone

[dapper flint]

Also fast and solo net sometimes just doesn't work for some maps or wads. It's always good to check it out on doom wiki first make sure it's balanced

[vivid vine]

UV+ really didn't need to have fast monsters

[dapper flint]

^ definitely

Either or option would be nice

[vivid vine]

Several of the addons would already be drowning you in monsters

[dapper flint]

Impossible mission uv plus fast lol

[vivid vine]

I think it took UV+ coming out for people to have a good long look at fast monsters and stop wanting it

It's not much fun what you end up having to do to survive

[clever iris]

The difference between fast monsters and Nightmare is still a huge gap

Of course, respawning monsters were designed to be completely unfair

[finite crag]

I rly like how the classic doom still have many mods to play with

Some mods like Project Brutality feels like u are playing doom eternal

[dapper flint]

Yeah I know alot of people that just don't even bother with fast anymore. I really agree with that

[dapper flint]

Really takes away that I'm the one they should fear feeling

[dapper flint]

Yeah which is why it's more of a favorite for speedrunners

[vivid vine]

You go from an ambush of like 30 imps being a hilarious encounter to wanting to rocket them before its impossible to dodge

[dapper flint]

No one wants to open and close a door while doing the punch animation for 10 minutes

[vivid vine]

And its original format they said they didnt test it because it was a joke

[dapper flint]

I don't know a single map author that tests their maps with fast either

[vivid vine]

Heretic is a bit more playable on Black Plague because it never had respawning but still gives 50% more ammo and there are no hitscanners

But I still never went past the first episode because it is draining to have not played it before

[vivid vine]

Pretty much all test pistol start though

This then leaves the question of how many tested coop with other players and alone

The Casalis fully tested Plutonia so it would be just as hard with at least two players

[dapper flint]

Yeah which makes sense. Personally I like forced pistol starts too

[cosmic pagoda]

respawning monsters aside, I can imagine some situations, where the double ammo would make things slightly better

especially when bfgs are involved but also rockets

[dapper flint]

Map 29 doom 2 the extra cells is a godsend

[vital knoll]

Execution could not continue.

None: Undefined help menu class

Can anyone tell me what's wrong with my GZDoom? Was working totally fine last night

[prime lava]

depends really

sometimes maps are easier on NM than UV-fast, as least if you are trying to kill everything on the UV-fast

[halcyon willow]

are you using any mods?

[royal heron]

it kinda sucks that wadcommander doesn't let you use mouse for controls

but oh well

[past field]

so I checked out wadcmd, and its amazing

the best part is that you can play it on your phone so I can play doom practically anywhere I go!

now theres just a problem: how do I get my wads to my phone

oh wait nvm I figured it out

[finite crag]

Fact of the day: archviles are assholes

@finite crag they are, but I love to hate them!

[finite crag]

I used to not know how to counter thenm so i ate the 70 or 80 dmg

[past field]

Tip: use the ssg on archies

[finite crag]

ah yea me too. break line of sight and dance

[past field]

I just use the plasma gun, but I sometimes feel bored and decide to play doom Russian roulette with the ssg

[finite crag]

They have like 700 hp ssg deals like 200 at max i think

[finite crag]

I once killed a arch vile with berserk i had 20 hp left

[azure nimbus]

200 is about average. ssg can climb to 245 or so at the very high end

[past field]

Buuuuut sometimes all shots stun the arch vile

Its mostly luck based

[azure nimbus]

it's about a 1/2 for an ssg stun on an arch

[past field]

But I am a professional arch-vile hater, so I have full authority to hate them

Because they’re the worst enemies in the game

[finite crag]

I remember i was playing netherworld wad killed like 500 imps and then arch vile spawned and revived like half of them so i quit the game and went to play chess

[past field]

Like they can even resurrect monsters (thankfully not other archies and boss monsters), and they deal more damage than the ssg

[azure nimbus]

no they don't. ssg does 200 on average and archviles hover in the high 80s

[past field]

Oh

I got confused with the health and the damage output

But thank god they wherent in doom 64

[finite crag]

I could box down a arch vile mysel- THEY ARE 9 ft TALL?

Bro doomguy can join nba hes 6 8

[past field]

Imagine them replacing the cheap hell knight spawns

[finite crag]

Also why did my brother told me that enemies in doom classic used botox

[past field]

Tf is butox

[finite crag]

It is a drug well "drug" used to on lips asses or tits to make them appear bigger

Youre failing chemistry lol

[past field]

I dont even go to chemistry class yet

[finite crag]

you mean Botox?

[past field]

Well, I technically do, just in place of science class for some reason

[finite crag]

Bro i never realised that cyberdemon is about 20 ft tall (6 meters)

[past field]

Well no shit, they’re taller than the spider mastermind

Technically speaking, they’re much taller because of doom’s infinite hight mechanic thingy

[finite crag]

Also Decino on yt made a joke that doomguy vibed to music so much that he broke his neck and that is why he cant look up or down

[past field]

What joke?

Thats a true story

[finite crag]

Lmfao he prob didnt drank enough milk for his strong bones

[distant breach]

I just downloaded the doom rpg games

[finite crag]

Tf r those

[past field]

Old doom mobile games

[distant breach]

Puzzle games based on Mario

https://tenor.com/view/nicolas-cage-you-dont-say-oh-really-sarcastic-gif-16222959

[distant breach]

Got them for free also doom 1 and doom 2, gonna replay them on mobile now

[finite crag]

Walter says in poor voice: i have an android so i cant play those

Anyways i just hitted 2m record on subeay surfer

God Doom 2's soundtrack is so hit-or-miss.

Doom 1's soundtrack for the most part nails it, but there are SO MANY levels in Doom 2 with such lame music.

Like sure Into Sandy's City and Shawn's Got the Shotgun both are amazing. But all of the others are so forgettable. And they never fit the tone of the game.

[fast mortar]

well doom 1 ost is just midi version of already existant songs, mostly

not dissin it but still

[dapper flint]

Have fun with the holy water gun

[distant breach]

Is that an in-game joke

[dapper flint]

Actual weapon haha

[royal heron]

Yeah

[steel lion]

gzdoom better

i litterally saw al decino's analysis videos of doom

[dapper flint]

That's a good way to get source port purist angry

[halcyon willow]

all ports are valid

except for jdoom

[gusty falcon]

Jdoom?

[dapper flint]

Hahahaha 3d model classic doom.. ew

[vivid vine]

JDoom was somehow one of the first ones I tried. It didnt have 3D models but it had the downright distracting levels of lighting and lights and texture filtering already

An insane number of years ago that was

At least 10 or 12

[royal heron]

All ports have a purpose

This argument has already been settled

There is no "better" sourceport

😑

[azure nimbus]

wolfenstein 3d is a better sourceport than zdoom

[slim willow]

PrBoom GBA is the definitive version

[finite crag]

i dont really care what source port i play it on as long as its still doom 1

[stoic folio]

I have 0 clue if this is the place to ask but are there any WADs that are like D2/TNT level hard but more fun to play

[azure nimbus]

sigil

[meager kite]

I searched up H doom expecting HD doom and uh

I did not get HD doom

[finite crag]

going to stream the plutonia experiment in voice 2

@meager kite what you got is nightmare fuel if you searched for what I think you searched for

[finite crag]

Doom 1 e1m4 music holy shit that is fire

YEAH

[zenith berry]

I love The Demons from Adrian’s Pen, E2M2.

[slim willow]

Suspense and Sign of Evil

[azure nimbus]

how does mscp map 14 accomplish infinite ammo bfg?

[finite crag]

no
Atari doom is better /j

[steel lion]

i think the best platform to play doom is the snes version

[slim willow]

obviously

3DO is a close second

[steel lion]

but gba goes in a 3rd place

[fossil kiln]

dos is in last place

[sullen stream]

What’s this new update for doom 1 and 2

The remake ones

[slim willow]

Dos doesn't count as a port because it's the original release.