classic-doom

[royal heron]

just got a sub-19...

this is why I should always record demos

there we go

18.83

only took me 33 attempts lmfao

wait bruh

with this time I'd replace Yonatan Donner for 3rd place

he has a 18.97

and I'm 1 tic away from being tied for 2nd, for a 18.80

[vast reef]

go for it then

i'd be glad to even get 15th place on a speedrun board tbh

[royal heron]

I have no idea how Sedlo got a 17.91, that's just insane

a whole second shaved off

[dapper flint]

No it does not

Nope

Just a bunch of bs people spread

John put the 2022 thing to bed

[finite crag]

Yup

[dapper flint]

https://imgur.com/a/gu1WE9Y

[meager kite]

you fucked up the jump

[royal heron]

I mean no duh I did

I noticed the bump

[meager kite]

Ima try speed running it

I got 20

[royal heron]

it's a pretty easy run tbh

so it;s hard to find imrpovements in strats

it all boils down to skill

the max I'll try is for a 18.77, 1 tic above 2nd placce on the leaderboards

[meager kite]

its kinda funny you got from arguably the worst map to my favorite

[royal heron]

habitat is just so stupid as a level, I hate it with a passion

but at least you can do it in under 20 seconds

[eternal lance]

😨

[dapper flint]

Nope

[royal heron]

No

[royal musk]

How do i access the console to access cheat commands lmao

[autumn scarab]

The original doom is set between 2021 and 2022

[autumn scarab]

What are you playing on

[slim willow]

https://twitter.com/E1M1magazine/status/1484865178458075137?s=20

E1M1 Magazine (@E1M1magazine)

"No, it doesn't. That was the SNES manual that we didn't write." -- John Romero

We consider this myth BUSTED.

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[finite crag]

if you're playing on GZDoom, then press tilde or ~ and the console will pop up
though, I wouldn't recommend using the console since you can just use the normal doom cheats and they'll work just fine

[royal musk]

Thanks

[autumn scarab]

oh alr 👍

well damn that tweet was put out yesterday ofc i didn't know

[azure nimbus]

you just type. Don't need the console. idclev## for changing level, idmus## for changing music, iddqd for god mode, idclip(or idspispopd) for no clip toggle, and idkfa for keys and full ammo are the main ones

[plush condor]

what is the give command for the double barrel shotgun in gzdoom

i need it bc im playing with a mod called corruption cards, i had a card that made soldiers steal items and the dbs disappeared (it shouldve dropped on its death)

[royal musk]

Where do i type it lol

[finite crag]

while you're playing

[pearl osprey]

If you want to use normal doom cheat codes just type them while in game

If you want to use advanced console commands, use GZDoom and hit the ~ key

[dapper flint]

Just posted this above

[plush condor]

ik

i know like

give shotgun
but something like give dbs doesnt work

like whats the dbs name

[royal heron]

You forgot the name of the most iconic weapon of doom?

It's summon supershotgun

No enemy drops a super shotgun on death

Shotgunners only drop normal shotguns

[finite crag]

https://tenor.com/view/loads-shotgun-gif-18026290

the original icon of sin is off by one pixel and i hate that fact

[plush condor]

i remember it as dbs

in classic doom

[plush condor]

i was playing with a mod the zombieman was carrying the dbs

[eternal lance]

we all do

[jade flare]

Okay now Doom zero is more fun on PC

[azure nimbus]

pc does have stronger ports anyway

[jade flare]

Yeah Unity sucks

[pearl osprey]

why?

[royal heron]

unity is good for what it does

[azure nimbus]

The main thing is resolution and that it can only support vanilla stuff

[royal heron]

but if you're playing on PC, it's overshadowed by the other sourceports the community has to offer

[azure nimbus]

Revisiting unity once or twice after playing on other stuff, I was amazed at how low the resolution was

[dapper flint]

https://youtu.be/CALEWZ50daU

[pearl osprey]

Sad how one youtuber spread misinformation about unity port and now all new doom players hate it even though it's probably the best option for beginners

[steel lion]

i just tried choco doom as a source port

and it DOS doom

literally

its a little bit adapted to new computers

[vast reef]

no

but it's meant to completely behave like DOS doom

[jade flare]

It changes too many things to be a good gameplay experience

Imo

[steel lion]

in the game itself its equal

the options menu,the graphics,even the setup menu its appears to be like dos

[vast reef]

yes

[pearl osprey]

Gameplay-wise it's identical to vanilla doom with the only difference being auto SR50

[steel lion]

even when you close it it puts the original message when you closed, in dos

[steel lion]

i tried it for to many time to say you are wrong

i know it has a lot of problems like you cant change to fist anymore,you cant edit the controls, etc. but its works good the gameplay is good,all the wads you can download are really good

[fleet sail]

[steel lion]

dont spam bro

[fleet sail]

Not trying to I'm just using them for my server

[steel lion]

?

[fleet sail]

I'm gonna use those emojis in my own server

[steel lion]

oh

hey

can you pass me an invite to your server?

[jade flare]

Again, just my opinion.

I prefer GZ

[dapper flint]

For beginners yeah

[pearl osprey]

K, but reminder "sucks" and "don't like" are two different things

[dapper flint]

Very limited though

[vast reef]

what

[steel lion]

yeah

[dapper flint]

Love to see more add ons

[vast reef]

doesn't GZ change more

[jade flare]

Not to where it's permanent.

[steel lion]

i needed to use it cause i dindt know about delta touch

[vast reef]

what does unity change

[azure nimbus]

GZdoom is such a specialized engine. It's excellent for heavy mods like pirate doom or supercharge(I think that's gzdoom) and as a bonus, automatically fixes beginner mapping issues like tag 0. But there seem to be more appropriate engines for more vanilla sets. It feels weird to pick a favorite when they all have specialized purposes. LIke woof is vanilla, boom, mbf, mbf21 compatable, eternity is good for heartland and gzdoom for heavy mods

[vast reef]

yes

[dapper flint]

Eternity and gz are the only option for controller also

[steel lion]

i only use prboom and gzdoom

[vast reef]

you can use the controller-to-keyboard thing

[dapper flint]

Although eternity feels smoother

[vast reef]

but it's garbage

[pearl osprey]

I remember using unity for controller

[royal heron]

but it doesn't have the fixed solo-net

[vast reef]

no analog controls

[royal heron]

which is why you use GZ right Gou?

[azure nimbus]

WOOF has controller support thankfully but not solonet

[dapper flint]

Exactly which is why I have to use gz for solo net

[jade flare]

Obviously the removal of Wolfenstein material, changed the medkits and based on my experience, I feel the controls are a bit off.

And I don't like the menu weapon change.

[dapper flint]

Eternity has a non functioning solo net

[royal heron]

yeah

[vast reef]

you can change the wad to get the wolfenstein stuff back

[azure nimbus]

Well, woof supposedly will have solonet eventually buuuut it has none at all right now

[vast reef]

right

[royal heron]

sadly you can't play GZDoom demos in anything else other than GZ

[pearl osprey]

Those are cosmetic not gameplay...

[steel lion]

it censored the nazi things and remade the graphics

[royal heron]

and they're not backwards compatible

[jade flare]

Not when I'm on switch.

[jade flare]

My last reason is gameplay related.

[vast reef]

that's 1 thing

[pearl osprey]

Yeah I felt that last one tbf

[vast reef]

how does it feel off

i mean

[jade flare]

Sluggish even when I mess with the sensitivity.

[vast reef]

what feels off

[vast reef]

i see

[jade flare]

Like when I look around and move.

[azure nimbus]

what do you have set as your framerate?

[pearl osprey]

To me there is a small but noticeable input delay even with vsync off and I dont know why

[glass chasm]

Does anyone know who Adrian Carmack is?

[jade flare]

Again, I play the unity port on Switch.

[azure nimbus]

an original ID lad who released the code

[vast reef]

i just use prboom+ for everything that isn't modded because my PC is too bad to run GZDoom properly

[jade flare]

He is the artist for Doom

[azure nimbus]

Dwars says that it has issues with mouselook at high frames

[royal heron]

the one who coined the term "gibs" and "gibbing"

[vast reef]

cacocoin

[glass chasm]

Yeah and I didn’t know that until I searched his name up because he’s my dads best friend and I’ve meant with him many times.

[dapper flint]

Mines around 7 years old and it runs pretty well. If you use it make sure it's not on vulkan

[vast reef]

mine's 14

[dapper flint]

That was my issue at first

Ran like ass

[steel lion]

i use it when i want to play doom more classic like

[steel lion]

more

[royal heron]

at least GZDoom now has a GLES option

[vast reef]

i have 2 gigs of RAM

[royal heron]

I use that, it runs great

[steel lion]

and runs gzdoom like god

[steel lion]

1gb think

[vast reef]

how do you run GZDoom well at all

[royal heron]

how tf are you surviving on a laptop with 1 gig of ram

[steel lion]

idk

[royal heron]

you better not be running a lot of things at the same time

everything a computer does shorthand requires ram

[dapper flint]

The thing with gz is you can customize it. Right now I basically have it like eternity but with decals. Like the video I posted above. That was gz but as vanilla as you can get it

[vast reef]

to get good fps for me i have to put the resolution at 720 by 450
which is fine
but prboom+ lets me put it higher and get better FPS anyways

[steel lion]

it only laggies when i spawn lots of rockets

[royal heron]

use the OpenGL-ES processor

[dapper flint]

This

[royal heron]

GLES is meant for lower end computers

[vast reef]

i like GZ for the AO, FXAA, pretty much all the graphics stuff

[vast reef]

thank you

[royal heron]

you find the option in "set video mode"

[vast reef]

alright

[steel lion]

yeah

[pearl osprey]

There is also LZDoom but idk if that's as good as the new GLES option

[vast reef]

LZDoom crashes my monitor

[royal heron]

to be fair, I have a laptop with 8 gigs of ram, but this is my presets

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/854794877594501143/934981069604814848/Screen_Shot_2022-01-23_at_8.20.53_PM.png

[vast reef]

i think it's fixable though

[royal heron]

way past 60 FPS if I wanted to, but I play 35 FPS

[vast reef]

when will gzdoom let us put the fps limit at 35

[pearl osprey]

I thinj there is a command for limiting fps

[steel lion]

i use 30 cause i dont remember the ghz of the monitor

[royal heron]

rendering interpolation

[vast reef]

turning it off sends it to 7

[royal heron]

turn that to off, runs DOOM at vanilla framerate, which is 35

[royal heron]

what how

[steel lion]

7 fps?

[vast reef]

bad computer

[royal heron]

otherwise, set your framerate to unlimited and turn interpolation on to get max FPS

[vast reef]

aight

[royal heron]

again, GLES processor really helps

[azure nimbus]

unless you're running doom on an analog clock, it should be at least in the double digits

[royal heron]

or on a calculator

[pearl osprey]

Try lowering the resolution you don't really need 1080p for doom always

[azure nimbus]

a calculator could handle it. An abacus might dip to the single digits though

[steel lion]

[vast reef]

that's my only way of getting 40

[royal heron]

lower to 720

[vast reef]

i'm running it on an antikythera machine

[royal heron]

or for a classic doom chunky experience, 480p

[vast reef]

that's when i get 40-60
it averages out at about 48

[royal heron]

or if you really want it super chunky, do 320, which is the low quality version of doom

which is what most people played on back then

[vast reef]

i'm going to do it at 240 x 160

gba style

[dapper flint]

Custom then 320 looks chonky haah

[vast reef]

my gzdoom doesn't have the GLES

[steel lion]

how tf?

[dapper flint]

How

[pearl osprey]

Update it

[steel lion]

i think prboom is the best source port for classic expierence

specially for newer wads

[finite crag]

I'd say Woof! is better

[azure nimbus]

woof has really done well for me so far

[steel lion]

á

[azure nimbus]

Heartland uses a bunch of new weapons made by Xaser. Are those weapons used in any other pwads?

[steel lion]

f*cking vega

what is strife?

[vast reef]

fun

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Strife

[steel lion]

nice

downoading rn

[finite crag]

I'd recommend getting the veteran edition on steam

[steel lion]

im downloading the wad from archive.org

[steel lion]

i dont care

what?

which rule 6?

[vast reef]

he boutta get banned

[dapper flint]

[finite crag]

I mean
he's probably downloading the shareware version of it

[vast reef]

strife has a shareware version?

[finite crag]

if I recall correctly, yes

[finite crag]

yeah it does

can't post the link to it here because Vega deletes links instantly but yes, there is a shareware version of Strife

[vast reef]

https://emptycharacter.com

slap an empty character somewhere in the https://

[gusty falcon]

Delving into scythe 1 again modded as usual although when playing scythe with anything plus brutal doom monsters (call of doom this time) I find it's easier to appreciate the speed and the rush it wants you to feel Blasting through those small maps especially the early ones on power fantasy difficulty

Otherwise the a amount of damage I'm taking makes it go from a rush to a slow, slow crawl as I take cover every few seconds to try not to take hits to hold onto every bit of health instead of being able to take a few hits and push through

[pearl osprey]

Is getting it from archive org really piracy? Isn't the site an archive

[vast reef]

free games

[pearl osprey]

They only upload old games to preserve them tho

[finite crag]

no
as getting the shareware from archive.org isn't piracy
getting the actual full game is piracy

[pearl osprey]

Alright fair

[safe moon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/151894321199710208/935099791526998036/unknown.png?width=886&height=498

this was a very cool secret lol

auger zenith

[warm ferry]

Ban incoming

[vast reef]

damn that looks good

[finite crag]

Is it true that on the original doom comic/first print that the #1 on the front is italicised

[vast reef]

how are we supposed to know

[safe moon]

would post the other image but that'd be spoilers and id rather have people find it themselves

tip: look behind the switch

[safe moon]

just finished the wad, absolutely amazing, ive experienced like no low points except for maybe 1 or 2 maps, map 10 in particular was uhh, a trip to say the least

also out of place

but it was still cool

[copper edge]

Guys
How do cacodemons reproduce

[past field]

I think demons just generate or something canonically

[copper edge]

Ok thanks

[pearl osprey]

There is that one specific GZDoom mod where it's explained well how they reproduce

[hallow herald]

Oh dear god

[vast reef]

they have 2 very suspicious holes behind them

but yes i'm very sure they generate

[vast reef]

id did say all mods are canon

[atomic dust]

Downtown is the worst Doom II map

you can’t change my mind

[royal heron]

all mods are canon 👀

[past field]

we dont talk about that mod

[royal heron]

I won't because you're right

[past field]

yeah, downtown has a lot of backtracking

[royal heron]

the city levels for doom II are just a flop

[past field]

the only good thing about the level is that its kinda open-world

[royal heron]

backtracking can be fun if the level is interesting, but downtown has none of that

it doesn't look like a city, it's really bland, and the combat just sucks

and also... giant arrow on the ground

[past field]

downtown is worst than deeznut.wad

its just... EVERYONE HATES IT

and theres no "oh, its aight I guess" NO

its the worst level in doom history

[safe moon]

there is atleast that one map in tnt evilution that did backtracking right

[past field]

its boring, long, bland, and literally nothing other than a complete overhaul can fix it

[safe moon]

try out habitat without skipping the level in under 30 seconds

[past field]

even the version in doom 2 the way we remember it is bad

[past field]

what game/wad

[safe moon]

tnt evilution

[past field]

what map num

[safe moon]

if you think doom 2's downtown was bad, take a look at the roller coaster of quality that is tnt

the entire megawad ranges from really good to really bad

[safe moon]

map 22

[past field]

aight

[azure nimbus]

As much as I rip on TNT, I do appreciate that the team gave us BOOM.

[safe moon]

oh wait i forgot, there is something far worst, master levels of doom 2

[azure nimbus]

the MLs are at least kinda funny how bad they are.

[safe moon]

theres some genuinely good maps on there doe

[atomic dust]

Downtown was one of the most confusing maps to me when I played Doom II for the first time

[safe moon]

especially the last few ones... except for the icon of sin one ig idk

[vast reef]

what are the worst fan-made wads in your opinion

[past field]

you know now that I think about it I take it back

[atomic dust]

at least, the level that comes after it (Inmost Dens) is awesome

[safe moon]

im fairly new to doom so uhh not much knowledge on that front

[past field]

welcome. might be late, but still.

[azure nimbus]

there are some ok maps in TNT like Mt Pain and in my opinion, map29(though people don't often like that one), map07: Prison is ok. But an enormous chunk of them are confusing and empty and obnoxiously hitscan heavy and overly lengthy.

[atomic dust]

TNT feels boring

[safe moon]

map 26 ballyztix is actually one of my favorite maps rn

idk why i just really enjoyed it... now why is it on map 26 aside from being hell themed idk

banger soundtrack doe

[past field]

the only good ML is attack

everything goes downhill at that point

[azure nimbus]

Dark Tower ig

[safe moon]

oh right i forgot i was playing a wad made from polished up randomly generated maps

and oh boy it sure does look like one

[azure nimbus]

At least the MLs are usually rather short. TNT maps are too long to bear out how tedious they are. like uvmax-ing that tnt map that you can just skip every monster. 22 or 23

[vast reef]

who made the MLs

[safe moon]

anyone played afterdoom?

[azure nimbus]

A collection of mapmakers. Mr Dream made a bunch. But they were submitted individually and not as a team like "Team TNT"

[past field]

"various authors"
-Doom Fandom Wiki

[azure nimbus]

you can check each map ofc

[vast reef]

so they're not official?

[azure nimbus]

They are part of retail doom but do not have their own cohesive identity like any of the IWADS

[vast reef]

i see

[past field]

technically they're official, cuz they where produced and sold on CDs by Id (and where included in final doom PSX)

[azure nimbus]

Everyone has this morbid curiosity about the MLs and for good reason: they are a historical artifact of retail doom. So I can't stop you from visiting them but do understand that doom is better than the master levels.

[past field]

I play the master levels once in a while. Im thinking of beating them all in order by name

[azure nimbus]

If you want to. I always suggest that people play good maps though lol

[past field]

and Im also thinking of downloading multiple gigabytes of random wads, most being very buggy cuz Id thought of converting most of the doom 1 maps to doom 2 for some reason trying maximum doom

[azure nimbus]

That wouldn't work too easily. doom1 requires the special boss death behavior on e1m8, e2m8, e3m8 and secret exits on e1m3, e2m5, e3m6, e4m2. Doom2 only allows secret exists on map15, map31 and has special death behavior for mancs and arachnos on map07. Maaaybe if you were to use dehacked and convert your cybers and spiderdemons and barons to mancs, arachnos, keens, whatever can trigger stuff and use different WADS for each episode but align them so the secret exit is on map15 maybe

[past field]

I dunno, I just heard that they did convert doom 1 levels to doom 2

[azure nimbus]

you'll be able to recreate most maps but the episodic structure will be difficult to replicate

[past field]

huh

I guess what I heard wasnt true then

[pearl basin]

The super shotgun in doom 1 is overkill

[dapper flint]

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/119819-lullaby-single-level-for-gzdoom/#:~:text=Lullaby is a large%2C very,to be able to escape

Really amazing map. Straight up beautiful. Highly recommend it. Played it all last night

[past field]

Its awesome, but laggy

[royal heron]

Seems interesting

I'll check it out when I get home cuz I'm at schoo rn

[dapper flint]

Yeah it will put your pc to the test haha you can lower the res though. It'll work at 75 for you

[dapper flint]

[hallow herald]

Unpopular opinion the city levels are good

[warm harness]

Wonder when someone will make a "Doom Eternal 4 Vanilla" mod, we already have "Doom 4 Vanilla".

[limpid zinc]

Doom 5 Vanilla

[robust tree]

Same bro 😔

[hallow herald]

Someone is

[halcyon willow]

Deliberately avoiding the server auto filters is a good way to get banned

[safe moon]

also apparently doom 1 has more monsters than doom 2 lol, granted that includes thy flesh consumed

[smoky lodge]

Really now? that is an interesting fact i did not know about

[azure nimbus]

doomwiki keeps good stats for that kind of thing

[dapper flint]

https://youtu.be/4WfKXpTcOZc

[waxen zealot]

11

[pearl basin]

Well i think its because, for example, one mancubus can do the work of 10 imps

What i mean its that the demons in doom 2 are more tanky, so it needs less in the levels

[safe moon]

well it's surprising to me cuz like I remember doom 2 throwing alot more monsters stuffed in one location than doom 1 which seemed more spread out

[safe moon]

after playing doom 4 vanilla on one btsx map cuz i was wondering if i could just play with that mod while i go n try to finish the wad but nope i kinda dont like it now cuz of the arachnatron replacements and the archville replacements are disappointing

[dapper flint]

I can see how that would ruin it

[safe moon]

srsly why is the arachno replacement a vr headset fatso thats almost as tanky as the hell barons but with a shorter range of attack, ik that 2016 didnt have the arachno but cmon thats very contradictory to their function as a enemy

[dapper flint]

Yeah doom 4 vanilla doesn't really allow you to beef up to melt heavies. But embers of Armageddon really give you the 2016 feel if you're looking to melt things. Far from vanilla though

[finite crag]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-dancing-gif-7324431

[safe moon]

i'll just settle for final doomer ig

[safe moon]

i can see why people like pistols starts now

[rugged flame]

How can i enable exclusive fullscreen in Classic Doom1 & 2 (Bethesda version) ? I don't want to have borderless mode

[safe moon]

I don't think it has widescreen

[vast reef]

use prboom+

[pearl osprey]

Prboom+ is outdated use dsda-doom or Prboom+UM

[rugged flame]

I have it already, also GZDooM, but i use these only with custom mods

Yes, it has widescreen support, but i don't use that, DooM was done for 4:3 and i like that only

[vast reef]

what about glboom+

[pearl osprey]

GlBoom+ is the same thing as prboom+

The only difference is they use different config files

[vast reef]

GLBoom+ has errors in certain things

[pearl osprey]

By default GlBoom+ is set to OpenGL renderer while PrBoom+ is set to software renderer

But you can change the renderer in the setting making them behave identically

[royal heron]

^

Both of them are outdated

Use DSDA-Doom, PrB+UM, or Woof!

Or Nugget Doom, which I hear is a fork of Woof!

[safe moon]

theres also woof or nugget doom

[safe moon]

oh wait lol

[hallow herald]

Nugget doom is great

[safe moon]

i still dont like that i cant extend my fov in it but oh well, ig thats just a part of it's limitations

[zenith berry]

https://www.moddb.com/mods/tspd

It's currently WIP now, last update however was from Oct 2021

[past field]

how do I play eternal doom on source ports?

[gusty falcon]

You don't because the source code for doom eternal hasn't been released
But there is currently one mod for classic doom available that tries to copy the style and gameplay of it faithfully which is embers of Armageddon eternal but I don't recommend it because it's very very buggy

[safe moon]

there is slayer's testament, a quake total conversion mod

its very faithful to doom eternal while doing it's own thing with the custom campaigns, horde maps, and even some custom fanmade ones packed it

and yeah there eoa as mentioned by the guy above me (doe for some reason it uses doom 2016 weapons on my end)

[past field]

Im not talking about doom eternal, Im talking about the mod Eternal Doom

[gusty falcon]

You need the addon for eoa eternal addon to use the eternal gameplay and weapons

Eternal doom is a doom custom mapset

[safe moon]

yeah doesnt seem to work for me

[past field]

It doesnt work in dos for me

[safe moon]

ohh i remember something about coincident making a video on it

[gusty falcon]

Of course not

[safe moon]

maybe its a boom map

[gusty falcon]

Oh wait

Nevermind i misread

It might be

I've only played it in gz doom

[gusty falcon]

You really should pick up a source port you'll have a much better experience

[past field]

https://youtu.be/y05Hqm3ZcXU this one

[past field]

Thats why Im asking how to play it on source ports

[gusty falcon]

Oh that's honestly easy

Grab gz doom

Grab eternal doom extract the wad into the same folder as gz doom is

Then drag it over the exe and bam

It'll load that map when you run the game and start a new game

[past field]

so I cant play eternal doom on something like dsda-doom?

[gusty falcon]

You probably could but I'm not the expert on that source port

I have no idea how it works and not much interest to use it since it apparently doesn't allow turning off head Bob

Only Vanilla source port i occasionally use that does is pr boom +

[past field]

dsda-doom is basically prboom+

[gusty falcon]

Yeah but it's alot more manual

[past field]

a fork of it, if you will

[past field]

it just adds extra options for speedrunning as far as Im aware

anyway, so I just load ETERNAL.wad, right?

[safe moon]

yeah the good ol drag n drop

on top of the .exe

[past field]

I usually just use launchers to load mods

[safe moon]

or just go for a "open with"

[gusty falcon]

Launchers actually make things easier

Atleast if you've got a particular mod list or configuration you want to be able to load with very little hassle

[safe moon]

yeah and you do that with maps so it should work for non gzdoom ports since those things are just .batch files but organized

in fact i use my launcher for nugget doom

[past field]

I'll just use ETERNAL.wad alone for now

[safe moon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/732667448574345278/935580597022232666/unknown.png?width=466&height=498

speaking of which
i recommend doom runner

its soo organized and has a nicer ui imo

[past field]

alright

https://github.com/Youda008/DoomRunner this one, right?

[gusty falcon]

Doom runner is definitely what i use now when I'm on pc atleast

[safe moon]

ye

[dapper flint]

Never thought the day would come but after some tweaking gz has far far superior controller movement than eternity

[tired furnace]

does anyone know how to access the level editor in ultimate DOOM?

or if there even is a built in one

[past field]

There is no built-in level editor for doom, but you can use ultimate doom builder to make levels

[tired furnace]

i tried testing my level but it says my windows isn‘t compatible with the software

[dull snow]

Try doom builder 2 or gzdoom builder bugfix

[finite crag]

Story in gaming is like story in a porn movie,it's supected to be there but it's not that important

[past field]

How? I can run UDB on win11 perfectly

What OS are you on?

[gusty falcon]

Windows 11 is still new and not alot are actually using it so there may just be some incompatibilities

[dapper flint]

https://imgur.com/a/dlxChEo

This map is gorgeous

[steel lion]

noice

[brave bison]

What is that off of?

[pearl osprey]

I think it's Lullaby

[dapper flint]

Yeah it's called lullaby

[tired furnace]

okay now you‘re just pasting it into every chat

[finite crag]

I would love to read it, genuinely excited

[gusty falcon]

Yeah but it's the kind of mentality that helped classic doom endure for so long its simple no fluff and gets straight to the point

[pearl osprey]

That quote is the most bullshit thing ever imo

Story adds so much emotional moments to remember

[gusty falcon]

Yeah but i think he ultimately realized that it just didn't belong later

When you try to put alot of story in doom you get the convoluted mess that is doom eternal

Or the less messy doom 3

[halcyon willow]

depends on the game

DE's story is good until vega becomes more than just vega

that's where it takes a turn for the

D16 got it right

kept the story fairly background

and had good characters

[gusty falcon]

And actually physically had doom guy throwing the story away 😆

That was brilliant

Although i still gripe on about him not stopping Olivia when she was still human

I kinda prefer him not caring because it relates him to what the player wants way more

[azure nimbus]

For people who know about heartland, what would be faster: killing 50 clustered barons with BFG or the cluster bomb launcher

[royal heron]

hm

sadly there's no notarget command in heartland, but there are summon commands

alright I think I've got 50 barons clustered together...

I'd honestly have to say probably the cluster bomb launcher

[azure nimbus]

pretty impressive. that thing is a beast.

[safe moon]

tf you mean, the story's good and made entirely in cocanium

as in, the story's there to make you feel more like a badass.... now that one audio log with that one lady on the otherhand was out of place

woulda talked about it a lil more but its classic doom chat

[safe moon]

and yes i do not like that one carmack quote, mostly cuz gggmanlives keeps using it in almost every doom video or in some non doom related stuff and it is torture

[dapper flint]

It definitely is a stupid quote. As a collector doom has some great and deep lore

[safe moon]

atleast someone was able to realize the original idea for doom with a mod called "doom delta"

[gusty falcon]

It's not a well written story is what I'm saying if you even think about it for a moment

And honestly with how much they expanded the universe in eternal alone it was bound to be convoluted

Unlike say halo that had like 4 or 5 games to build up the world building and lore to a point where a universe /spanning story makes sense

Because doom is gameplay first it's not really tried to do that and thats fine

[zenith berry]

Doom be like “Enjoy the violence, just shoot stuff, read the lore if you want.”

[gusty falcon]

The questions and convolutedness of the lore is why I think
This server even has a lore channel for that game

Or had?

I don't see it anymore

[dapper flint]

It based off of 80s 90s Sci fi horror and action so the story takes a back seat to action but the charm of doom lore is the corny inspiration it takes reference from. I'm a giant horror fan and I love it. I suggest if you want a huge complex story and are upset doom doesn't offer that maybe play something else

[gusty falcon]

I know i already said I was fine with the way the story was but I would have preferred if they hadn't made the story so up front in eternal and kept it in the background like doom 2016s is

It's like if the story is secondary then make it truely secondary

[dapper flint]

Again it's really just something that basic and has that corny charm. I really appreciate it's source material. I can see why it just Flys over alot of people's heads though. Especially those that are lore heavy

[gusty falcon]

It was basic... Untill eternal

Added all these new species and lore and factions and technology into the equation

Just enough that when you start digging into the lore that the implications start the wheels turning
And the questions start rolling in

[dapper flint]

Still no where near convoluted as legend of Zelda but those fans tend to complain less

I have to disagree I think the lore is fantastic and it's a good base for world building which didn't exist before. And leaves alot of potential for the universe.

Considering doom had no consistent lore at all until eternal. Blaming eternal for ruining the lore is a silly complaint

If something was just to much for you then that's completely fine. I mean people did the same thing with the matrix. But to say hey this sucks because I didn't like it is just not a good way to look at things

[gusty falcon]

Its nice that it's there now.... I just hope it actually realizes that potential otherwise that solid base... is kind of a waste.... If it's squandered

[dapper flint]

Just imagine if they made star war the new hope and that's it. No other movies. Picture that. That shit would make zero sense at all. It's got a good base now not the best but there's room for growth and building

[gusty falcon]

That's how it was originally meant to be so it's pretty easy to imagine it that way. Lucas himself already said the first star wars trilogy wasn't originally planned as one.

Like i said i just hope that like star wars it uses that base, that potential to make something great

[dapper flint]

It definitely will the multiverse is here wolf and quake.. this universe Id is building has a ton of potential

[gusty falcon]

Although I do wonder if we're headed for a cross over game that involves all 3

[dapper flint]

Well bj has seen hell and quakes hell has gone to war with doom hell so it definitely is possible

[safe moon]

thats exactly the appeal of doom eternal's lore and story

[dapper flint]

I get where he's coming from. It's not something everyone enjoys

[safe moon]

and for filthy lore casuals like me, it just serves as a good ol power fantasy while i get my ass kicked

[dapper flint]

I've got a few doom books and the lore book that came with the collectors edition is so damn good.

[safe moon]

also it just serves as their excuse for wtf they want the landscape and level design is gonna be lol

[gusty falcon]

I admit I've just seen so many situations where writers bite off more than they can chew and it alll comes crashing down

That's kinda where I'm comming from

Going from subtle story telling like 2016 and the classic games have to the opposite extreme is bound to have some growing pains

[gusty falcon]

That is what Quake did

[safe moon]

huh, never thought of that

[dapper flint]

2016 was never trying to tie anything together. It was a soft reboot. Eternal had the giant task to put it all together for the first time in dooms history

[safe moon]

that, along with it's art style just screams "video game af"

when compared to doom 2016's more toned down approach

[dapper flint]

When I played eternal for the first time I just felt like it was the first time I watched aliens or judgement day it just is screaming that vibe to its core and I love it

[gusty falcon]

Yeah exactly, the first time in dooms history. so for dooms history the writers are writing in a way opposite to what they're used to
Although i already know that the writers aren't the same as they were for the classic games

[safe moon]

wonder what tom hall's up to these days

[dapper flint]

Trust me. They will flush this all out. I'd bet my doom room on it

[safe moon]

i cant help but think he looks like the guy from the shining from his ion storm photo

but with a larger forehead

[dapper flint]

Kevin cloud is the doommarine from doom 3 that's what he's up to

[gusty falcon]

We shall see
The proof of the pudding is in the eating and when it arrives we'll see how good it tastes

😁

[safe moon]

can't wait for sigil 2 to come out doe

wonder if it's going to be a 32 map megawad or just another episodic structure type thing

cuz i do not like the megawad format, it is tiresome

[dapper flint]

I definitely recommend watching some classic 90s movies though. Like event horizon and mouth of madness before some action. You'll see the inspiration for doom

[dapper flint]

Oh yeah! I love sigil and hopefully bucket head makes a return

[safe moon]

ohno
looks like tom hall's wife died last year

[dapper flint]

Hope he's doing okay

[gusty falcon]

Oh God yeah I hope so haven't heard about how Romero is doing though i do have a window for that

As for Patterson I think he makes table top games now

[dapper flint]

He's doing great. His son just released a game under Romero games

[gusty falcon]

Ah very nice

What kind of games does that company make now?

[vast reef]

you can

if they're compatible

[dapper flint]

It's called dangerous Dave. It's very similar to commander keen

[safe moon]

he's always made Tabletop games

even before doom, in fact he was way popular before doom within the table-top community or so ive heard idk i have not played a table-top game before

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/732667448574345278/935721513817079838/unknown.png

doom and quake was more of a hobby for him lol

[dapper flint]

His channel is great

[river wadi]

that wad is called lullaby?

[halcyon willow]

yessir

[royal heron]

Yeah I don't see the eternal lore channel anymore, it's most likely deleted

Since it's not archived

[past field]

Oh, then you must be trying to run dos doom

Change the engine to something like prboom+

[finite crag]

[jade flare]

Alright so I beat Doom Zero. Now doing Earthless Prelude. At map 05

[steel lion]

hey how do i launch prboom by commands?

[warm ferry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/419254853731090434/935675316557479976/doom2rage.mp4

[safe moon]

this was funny
wait till he plays plutonia lmao

[past field]

I just realized that literally none of the doom 2 expansions where actually made by id

[zenith berry]

Indeed.

Final Doom was made by TeamTNT and the Casali Brothers, respectively.
Master Levels of Doom II was a compilation of levels made by various mappers.
No Rest for the Living was made by Nerve.

[fast mortar]

I would like to see a megawad by Nerve, probably wont happen but it'd be neat

[safe moon]

i mean thats almost every expansion ever

almost, even that new serious sam expansion was made by a different studio... and i heard that they did a better job than croteam with
their ]serious sam 4 lol

[past field]

from now on, I'll stop using the rewind feature in dsda-doom

[torn pivot]

Final Doom - Tnt: Evilution Map 15: Dead Zone (UV-100%) [Crispy Doom]
https://youtu.be/ByQCHrC7lbc

[past field]

nice

[dapper flint]

Good to see you again

[azure lava]

heya anyone going for co-op trophy in doom 2? 🙂

[dapper flint]

That was a tough one. You're better off getting it alone though

[azure lava]

i would try to do it alone since i did doom 1 alone too, but i wanna see if i can get it with another person since it's easier and more fun

[torn pivot]

Yep

[scarlet compass]

How many super shotgun is too many super shotgun?

[finite crag]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[steel lion]

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[finite crag]

Ok.

[steel lion]

┬─┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ)

[finite crag]

No. (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

Leave it like that.

[steel lion]

why?

[finite crag]

Cause…idk.

[steel lion]

ok ┬─┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ)

at the end there are no credits

[finite crag]

I said leave it the way it is! (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[steel lion]

no ┬─┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ)

[finite crag]

Yes! (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[steel lion]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[finite crag]

🚬🗿

[steel lion]

you forgor @finite crag ┬─┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ)

[past field]

Bourgeois Deathmatch is a really cool custom wad

[dapper flint]

Really good times for sure

[past field]

The weapons are OP, and the game is just really fun

also I KNEW it would become a slaughter map, judging by the weapons

[steel lion]

???

[safe moon]

waittheresarewindfeature

[finite crag]

yes

[safe moon]

I will now switch to Dsda for I am save scum

[river wadi]

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[finite crag]

Fuck.

[royal heron]

What's with all this tableflipping lmao

[finite crag]

Yeah

[finite crag]

My brother

[royal heron]

It's just become 1 huge roleplay

[royal heron]

[vocal carbon]

how do i get img perms

[royal heron]

img perms don't exist, just post the image as a discord link and it'll embed it

[plush condor]

should i play doom 2 with remastered music or eternal's music

[vast reef]

if you're on HMP on the vanilla doom 2 maps the music's going to feel a bit too metal for shooting at 2d sprites

if you're going with andrew hulshult's remixes or eternal music

remastered music should be fine though

[plush condor]

im playing on uv

vanilla doom 2 with corruption cards, idk if i want remastered music or doom eternal's music

[vast reef]

i tried playing with eternal music and it didn't feel right to me tbh
but opinion is opinion, you do what you want

[dapper flint]

Sin

[mental knoll]

should i go for plutonia 2, scythe 2 or sunlust next?

[dapper flint]

I'd do scythe 2 first

[orchid epoch]

Do yall have any tips for completing doom on nightmare mode?

[halcyon willow]

Memorise the maps

[orchid epoch]

will be done, ty

[thick kite]

Thought you have to play the game alot

[onyx crow]

hey what's the heretic but for free (like freedoom)

[dapper flint]

Just need to memorize fastest routes and moves. It's really about speed running

[thick kite]

Huh

[onyx crow]

oh it's blasphemer

[dapper flint]

Speedrunning

Avoid enemies/ secrets finish the map as fast as possible

Unless you're going for nightmare 100s

[thick kite]

I guess

Thought you had to be good at the game

[dapper flint]

Not really I guess. That's how you beat nightmare

Not when it comes to combat

[thick kite]

Fair enough

[dapper flint]

Combat doesn't matter

It's movement to its core. Not for everyone

[scarlet compass]

nuts.wad is very laggy

wow

[orchid epoch]

Yes

[dapper flint]

That's a good way to not beat nightmare

That's more like it

[scarlet compass]

chainsaw

no, fists

just stare at the demons long enough and they'll die

and come out on top

Now i'm gonna do that

[royal heron]

Fist her to death

[scarlet compass]

just did

[steel lion]

i have beaten a cyberdemon with the chainsaw (with god mode

[scarlet compass]

I've beat it with the plasma gun cuz rocket dueling is stupid

[steel lion]

bfgn't?

[scarlet compass]

nope

no bfg

bfg is kinda overrated

also its literally a 23 second clip of me beating the spider to death

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdZ6o8FCrJg

[dapper flint]

That's not true at all lol

[scarlet compass]

The plasma gun is better

[dapper flint]

Its good for hot situations. Small encounters but the bfg is the best weapon in the game and can clear entire rooms when you're in deep shit. Not something the plasma is capable of

[scarlet compass]

But the tracers are a bit unreliable at times

the plasma gun always just shoots wherever you aim it while the tracers just kinda pick a random monster to kill, and not even all the way sometimes

It's not consistent

[dapper flint]

It's all about practice. Once you learn the tracer patterns how the bfg functions you'll be a beast

https://youtu.be/1UfwWzMHx14

[scarlet compass]

I know how the tracers work I just prefer the plasma gun

[dapper flint]

Using the plasma in a fight like this and you're dead

In seconds

Not doable

[scarlet compass]

Lol I was fighting the mastermind but ran out of rockets and cells so I again had to punch it to death

[steel lion]

without berserk!?

[edgy drum]

If you knew how the tracers worked, you'd know its not random/unreliable

[royal heron]

bfg is kinda overrated
@scarlet compass wrong

Would you rather kill a cyberdemon with 80 cells or waste 120 more for convenience

It's good for crowd and panic situations too

[royal heron]

^ this

The tracers don't target random enemies

It's a spray of 40 tracers in a cone shape from the player origin

So enemies in the cone's range of effect are hit

It's wrong to say that they work randomly

[hallow herald]

Blasphemer

[onyx crow]

well i realized it already.

[scarlet compass]

yeah

[scarlet compass]

I can give you heretic.wad if you'd like

[grim pollen]

consistency for nightmare? Push forward combat, maximize the big ticket items without dilly dallying too much and really optimize how to take out hitscanners without taking return damage. Plan out a route.

that chaingunner is way bigger than i thought it would be

[finite storm]

What are your guys thoughts on hitscanners in general? Do you think they are a good gameplay mechanic, as they force you to target them first because you cannot dodge their bullets? Or do you find it more annoying and would rather they fire projectiles?

[scarlet compass]

Hitscan bad

That's one of the reasons I like brutal doom, they actually fire bullets you can dodge

[azure nimbus]

it isn't like a shotgun with random spread. the bfg spread is constant. And with central limit theorem, bfg damage is surprisingly consistent

[dapper flint]

Really depends on how they're used. They can spice up a map

[finite storm]

How so? For context I'm trying to decide between using hitscans or projectiles for my soldier enemies in a game im working on. Trying to find out what ppl find fun about them or why they dont like em

[scarlet compass]

Can the icon of sin even spawn shotgun guys and chaingunners?

[azure nimbus]

nope. Everything except zombies, wolfenstein ss, spiderdemons and cybers. doomwiki has a table of probabilities on there

[dapper flint]

They can force to prioritize one section of the map during a fight forcing you to quickly think on your feet while being engaged by other enemies for one this also works if they're used as snipers and forces you to really learn the lay of the map / arena fast

Spikes that sweet adrenaline up not as much as archies used this way but still

[azure nimbus]

each monster is a tool and can be placed well or poorly. "Inherently" none are better or worse than others for mapmaking. Sure, hell knights are easier to use than a spiderdemon but both can be used well

[scarlet compass]

I dont get why people like the archvile

[azure nimbus]

cuz he games + "wub wub wub"

[royal heron]

Archvile spices up combat

He's a first priority target, causing you to turn your attention to him

[dapper flint]

https://youtu.be/fs1DLRV2chY

[royal heron]

When you also hear him, you have to be aware of your surroundings and what guns you have, and that makes you think tactically

He's a great enemy to the roster

Hitscan also isn't bad

It depends on how they're used

[scarlet compass]

map 4 of brutal doom is a slaughterhouse

[royal heron]

Brutal doom has no maps though, it's chiefly a gameplay mod

Although im gonna assume you're talking abt doom 2

[scarlet compass]

It has an unofficial campaign

I think its unofficial at least

[finite storm]

thanks guys, i was honestly under the impression that everyone and their mums hates hitscanners

[scarlet compass]

I know someone who loathes hitscanners with their whole being

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRI2rTwvWfk

4:02

[steel lion]

doot

[scarlet compass]

skeledoot

[royal heron]

thanks guys, i was honestly under the impression that everyone and their mums hates hitscanners
@finite storm nah hitscanners are good when used well

[molten iron]

Yeah

Some levels are bad just because of the placement of some hitscanners

While others are good just because of that

[pearl osprey]

cough TNT cough

[azure nimbus]

if tnt's hitscan was removed, there'd be nothing left

[royal heron]

Or some obnoxious Plutonia traps

But yeah TNT is just entirely reliant on hitscan

[grim pollen]

Can't say I hate hitscan. Like if it turns from hitscan into projectiles are you just automatically safe from zombies/shotguns/chaingunners at long distances through circle strafes?

[scarlet compass]

It depends

Brutal doom converts the hitscans into projectiles and you still get hit a lot

[royal heron]

Honestly BD doesn't seem to provide any challenge except for the realism difficulties

[scarlet compass]

Have you tried the campaign?

[vivid vine]

Wonder how fun extinction day is with metadoom

[royal heron]

Not yet, but I don't exactly have high hopes

BD isn't exactly my preferred cup of tea

[vivid vine]

I found a skill progression wad list and a hard wad list that basically starts off where the other leaves off and I sure am rusty

[scarlet compass]

Well if you do, map 3 is a slaughterhouse

[royal heron]

I've played slaughtermaps before

I think it should be just fine and dandy

[dapper flint]

I'd give that a go

[scarlet compass]

Yeah but its so much more fun when everything explodes

[vivid vine]

I mean I'm sure as hell not playing it with the mod it was made for

[dapper flint]

Hahahah true. Meta is just

[vivid vine]

Told you

[scarlet compass]

I cant get meta to work

[dapper flint]

Doesn't fuck the gameplay up and is just a blast so far

[dapper flint]

You have to unzip it

[scarlet compass]

its not a folder

[vivid vine]

And it steadily gets harder in a way you cant easily prepare for because the random monsters get tougher

[dapper flint]

It's a pk file

I had the same issue

Took my stupid ass a minute

[vivid vine]

A 7z file

[royal heron]

^

[vivid vine]

The pk3 is a pak file and that will run fine

[royal heron]

Unzip it using WinRAR

[vivid vine]

Or 7zip like a person would actually have

[dapper flint]

Yeah that works great

[royal heron]

Or you could just use extract.me which is what I use since I'm on mac

[vivid vine]

Actually is WinRAR free these days? 7zip exists and made 7z a common format for a reason

[dapper flint]

If you want things to explode in meta just get the Nash gore mod and dile it to the max. I have mine almost all the way down and it's still a bit to much lol

[vivid vine]

Meta has its own I'm pretty sure

[royal heron]

Sometimes I don't get people who play BD with default gore settings

[scarlet compass]

..and I have no clue how to use 7zip

[royal heron]

Like sure it may be fun for a while but it starts getting to look like red paint coating everything :/

[scarlet compass]

oh

nvm I think I got it

[vivid vine]

And full grown humans only have 5 quarts of blood

[gusty falcon]

I actually tend to play with it on low because the dismemberment is already satisfying in on its own

[royal heron]

Or texture filtering

Like alright, play with that if you like it, but I'm still gona hate it

[dapper flint]

Oh yeah and you don't want to get it to the point where it ruins gameplay

[vivid vine]

Texture filtering looks great in things that were actually made for GZDoom using it

[royal heron]

This ^

[vivid vine]

Like definitely not the default maps

[royal heron]

But the classic textures? Hell no

[gusty falcon]

It's probably the most fun using sniper weapons

[dapper flint]

I hate that shit though

[royal heron]

Absolutely not with classic textures

[dapper flint]

It feels off

[vivid vine]

The filtering on weapon sprites meant to use it also looks great

[royal heron]

In the refined words of someone else here, "It looks like someone smeared butter onto the walls"

[vivid vine]

Golden Souls 2 man, one of the best things ever made

[dapper flint]

It just looks like I'm not wearing my glasses

[royal heron]

Yeah exactly

It just mashes everything together

[timid pecan]

Should i get the ancient gods dlc for eternal

[royal heron]

This is #classic-doom

[dapper flint]

But yes

[royal heron]

But yes you should

[timid pecan]

No ones talking in the eternal chat tho

[dapper flint]

Yes get it

[timid pecan]

Ok then

[scarlet compass]

ok I found the .7z file now what do I do with it

[vivid vine]

Plus I have a rig and can show off by maxing out all the settings. But I never play the original games with gz anyway

[vivid vine]

Get 7zip if you dont have it. Right click it and open archive.

This takes me back to when Gougaru was dead confused by me explaining this

I couldn't think of a way to break it down

[dapper flint]

I'm a fast learner thankfully or you and Swiss are good at teaching

[scarlet compass]

and then I just put the .pk3 file in the same folder as GZdoom and it'll work?

[vivid vine]

I took screenshots and it wasnt enough

[dapper flint]

I still use zdl launcher so I put it there lol

[vivid vine]

Yes. Then you can play it with just the iwad or drag a pwad mapset with it to the exe

[pearl osprey]

Drag and drop the file onto GZDoom.exe

you get the pk3 file after you extract the .7z file

[scarlet compass]

hm

[vivid vine]

I need to get started on that skill progression. Has 26 wads meant to have every map done pistol start without save scumming, played as if you intend to UV Max so you dont play like a speed runner and actually retain something. Ends with No Chance, Italo Doom, and Dimensions.

[scarlet compass]

I'm trying to send it to downloads so I can put it in the gzdoom file but it's not showing up

[vivid vine]

You just drag it to the folder from the archive

[scarlet compass]

there isnt an archive option for opening it

[vivid vine]

Did you get 7zip?

[scarlet compass]

oh

it's in another menu inside the menu

[pearl osprey]

Choose the "extract files here" option

and you should get a pk3 file in the same folder the 7z file is in

[vivid vine]

I never bother with that, I just drag the pk3 out

[scarlet compass]

the pk3 file is now in the same folder as gzdoom

[pearl osprey]

drag and drop the pk3 onto GZDoom.exe

and it should work immediately

[scarlet compass]

it says it cant launch because it's missing a file

zmusic.dll

[pearl osprey]

That means your GZDoom installation is broken

You have to reinstall it, just grab the latest version

[dapper flint]

I had a issue like this. No sound for meta

Just reinstall

[scarlet compass]

I accidentally got the 64-bit version which for some reason runs like crap

[pearl osprey]

Huh that's odd the 64bit version is supposed to run better since you're not using a compatibility layer

[scarlet compass]

Yeah, it ran fine for a few days and then turned into a lagfest so now I use 32-bit and it works fine

So does metadoom just pick a random doom game

[vast reef]

do i need to play scythe before scythe 2

[scarlet compass]

cuz right now its doom 4

wait

the doom 64 shotgun

is it just completely random

[dapper flint]

Did you use GLES?

[scarlet compass]

idk

I didnt mess with anything, it just started running at negative frames

[dapper flint]

If you didn't that's the reason it's lagging

It's not set to that by default

[scarlet compass]

I'm not sure I like meta so much

I dont recognise most of the stuff walkin around

and it seems to have no rhyme or reason

[dapper flint]

It's a progression mode. Every weapon every doom demon from all the games. It progressively gets harder and has more enemies. As for reason the reason is whatever the purpose of the wad you're playing is

[scarlet compass]

doom 2

[royal heron]

I would say yes

[vivid vine]

What? The things walking around are monsters from every Doom ever made. Even has Doom rpg monsters now

[royal heron]

Scythe 2 is way harder than Scythe 1

[scarlet compass]

The doom rpg monsters are probably the ones I dont recognise

[vast reef]

thank you

[royal heron]

Beware that EP3 of Scythe is quite hard

[vast reef]

also

[dapper flint]

Didn't bother with one. I feel 2 perfected the formula

[vast reef]

what's nm 100s

i know nm is nightmare

[royal heron]

I first completed it on HMP, but I'm gonna revisit it on UV

[dapper flint]

2016 pops up too and 64 and so on

[royal heron]

Nightmare! 100% Secrets

[dapper flint]

Also 2016 weapon mods

[royal heron]

NM100S

[gusty falcon]

Although compared to the best modem maps doom 1 and 2 are definitely abit dated

[royal heron]

Tru

[scarlet compass]

The doom 64 shotgun shoots grenades

[dapper flint]

Of course lol

[dapper flint]

Yeah

And the doom 3 machine fun shoots mini rockets

[royal heron]

Honestly, I should replay EP3 rn

I've got the time

[dapper flint]

Meta really spices them up though like a ton.. looks beautiful too

[scarlet compass]

ssg looks kinda jank ngl

[dapper flint]

It's a fucking meat hook guy

[scarlet compass]

yeah but its in the wrong spot and looks weird on the doom 2 ssg

[vast reef]

duh

[scarlet compass]

there are also way too many powerups that as far as I can tell do nothing

[dapper flint]

I think you should just stick to brutal doom lol

[scarlet compass]

a blue zombie dog just gave me a heart attack

[vast reef]

i'd pick nearly any mod over brutal doom tbh

[scarlet compass]

doom 3 chaingun rips tho

[dapper flint]

Meta is as far is I'll.go because it doesn't fuck up the game play just adds some new weapons and monsters

I'm okay with that

[dapper flint]

See I haven't got that yet

Every playthrough is randomized

[scarlet compass]

I just got the doom 4 pistol again

and the 64 shotgun again

[dapper flint]

I love that machine gun rocket sound

[vivid vine]

After you grab the BFG the next time you come across a map where it would spawn an unmaker or soul cube will be in its spot

[dapper flint]

The holy water gun is hilarious

[scarlet compass]

is ok

presumably from the RPG

[vivid vine]

Where you could refill it from toilets or the fountain left by you ripping up a toilet and throwing it at a demon

And drink from it to heal

Then make a demon scared and run away

I also like how you can punch health out of demons

When you get the fire extinguisher you can put out lost souls

[scarlet compass]

I just saw dangerous dave

seriously, I can't get any weapons except the same ones I got before

I thought it was supposed to have everything

[dapper flint]

Sounds like you're having bad luck lol. I've played multiple wads and have never gotten the same weapon

[vivid vine]

You have to change maps before it starts changing unless you turn on Content Locust

It normally tries to build up what weapons you get vs how tough the enemies are getting. Content Locust unbalances the randomizer.

[dapper flint]

Oh!!! I'll give it a go although I'm loving how it is right now

[vivid vine]

I now finally know the secret difficulty under Ultra-Nightmare is UV+

[dapper flint]

Solo net works ?

[scarlet compass]

I cant find content locust

[vivid vine]

Fast monsters, no cheats, solo net

[scarlet compass]

says its in the metadoom options but it aint there

[vivid vine]

It says Solo-Net when you go over it

[dapper flint]

Can't I just do nightmare with multi-player monsters enabled ?

[vivid vine]

I mean you can also just go to the secret difficulty under UN. No idea if it does anything else

[dapper flint]

You know I love that solo net

[scarlet compass]

The flashlight on the pistol is nice though

[gaunt gust]

Should I play doom2 before thy flesh consumed?

[vast reef]

do you want to

[gaunt gust]

idk i wanna go in story order

[vast reef]

they flesh consumed then

[gaunt gust]

kk

[vast reef]

but story really doesn't matter in doom

[gaunt gust]

tru

wait wasnt thy flesh consumed made after doom 2 tho

[dapper flint]

Technically thy flesh came out after 2 but I'd do thy flesh first

[gaunt gust]

alr

thx

[dapper flint]

Kill all the demons invading. Save humanity. That's the only story you need

Simple

[gaunt gust]

lol but with eternal we hav like khan makrs

and demon overlords

and samuel hayden

[dapper flint]

He means classic doom.

The story for classic is just kill everything demon

[gaunt gust]

yup

but with the laters ones the lore goes deeper

[dapper flint]

Exactly

[scarlet compass]

I cannot find content locust anywhere in the settings.

[dapper flint]

@vivid vine

[vivid vine]

go to Spawning Controls and change Intelligent Spawn Rules to Content Locust

[scarlet compass]

ah, thank you

[steel lion]

idk why but the snes ost of classic doom sounds better than the original from DOS

[vast reef]

snes

[steel lion]

yes

[scarlet compass]

frick

theres a marauder

[steel lion]

[woeful crescent]

Time to take out some demons

[scarlet compass]

Korect

[steel lion]

:

[scarlet compass]

hm

you can kill all the monsters at the end of phobos anomaly but the floor will kill you

[gusty falcon]

Yeah I've done that before with mods that give me grenades

[scarlet compass]

I just used console commands to heal myself until they were all dead

[steel lion]

yeah

i used and invul and a light amplification googles and nicy noisy

[scarlet compass]

the invulnerability would'nt work for me

[steel lion]

it absorbs the damage

[sterile yarrow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/859699993107103844/927772639840325672/doomguy_crop.gif

[scarlet compass]

no, it would turn off

[steel lion]

no it doesnt

i refer the power up not god mode from the iddqd cheat

[royal heron]

the floor specifically gets rid of IDDQD

it doesn't get rid of invulnerability

[steel lion]

ye

cause it wasnt any invul sphere in that level

[finite crag]

Hello chat!

What's up!

[steel lion]

hello my brother

[finite crag]

Hi there!

[scarlet compass]

where is the frickin yellow keycard in human BBQ

[finite crag]

U mean TNT evilution?

[scarlet compass]

Yeah

[finite crag]

noclip

lol

[steel lion]

what?

[finite crag]

Just noclip the map

U will find it

[steel lion]

you can do it normally

[finite crag]

😉

[finite crag]

I already beat all classic doom

[dapper flint]

Yeah definitely not necessary

Classic doom doesn't end. It's eternal

[finite crag]

yea

[scarlet compass]

I just jumped off a balcony and made it

[finite crag]

cool

[gaunt gust]

[brisk burrow]

i need help running brutal doom for doom 2 i put the .rar file into gz doom but it did not work and i accidently turned it into notepad how do i get these files to work?

[halcyon willow]

unzip it first

.rar is a compression format

[brisk burrow]

all my .rar files are notepad

there is no unzip button

[scarlet compass]

then you need winrar

[brisk burrow]

ok

[scarlet compass]

or I could just send you the files

[brisk burrow]

i have it on google

[scarlet compass]

ok

[brisk burrow]

what do i accociate winrar with?

[scarlet compass]

what?

[brisk burrow]

it has a panel and has all the diffrent kinds of files with checkboxes

[scarlet compass]

i'm not sure where you're at

[brisk burrow]

i can share my screen in vc

i downloaded winrar and it brought up a menu called WINRAR Setup

[scarlet compass]

oh