Then there’s also Boom compatible mods which requires a Boom-based source port.
#classic-doom
zenith berry
finite crag
hi
desert yarrow
Cacodemon holes
shotgun
dapper flint
Shotgun is more versatile
past field
Sniper shotgun shall live on forever
vivid vine
Chain gun is better at sniping
dusky venture
dapper flint
Nah I mean yeah you get more accuracy with the chain gun snipe but the shotgun snipe done right has that damage to get things done fast. I would say super long range sniping chipping of the health chaingun. But if I need to quickly take care of something at range
It's shotgun all the way
azure nimbus
e5m9 on solonet is one of the meanest openers that I've seen. Cruel. Some 5 or 6 barons and you don't get the bfg until later. Don't see myself doing these on unity uv+ beyond the 4th level but maaaybe on regular uv+
vivid vine
Nah I mean yeah you get more accuracy with the chain gun snipe but the shotgun s...
When too many pixels are moving in the vast distance and you fling a rocket
dapper flint
e5m9 on solonet is one of the meanest openers that I've seen. Cruel. Some 5 or 6...
Yeah it's definitely a challenge but watch my video on it. If you follow that movement you can beat it
After the intro you're gold
Hold on I'll post it here for you take a look
azure nimbus
My strategy was to take red key, then blue, and then leave. come back later to finish them off
dapper flint
It's really really precise movement and timing
azure nimbus
doing that, you still need to return for the blue key and end up not using berserk for healing. I guess that's just worth it for the less damage
dapper flint
Yeah man out of all strats I tried and I tried alot for a few days this one is thee best by a insane amount
Also the cyber area.. that one was tricky
But can be cheesed
azure nimbus
did you end up using the bfg or hitting his head from the outcrop by the yellow door. edit: I'll look
dapper flint
Both 
azure nimbus
why do you go to the blue area at all at the start? I expect it's to release as many monsters to in-fight as possible
dapper flint
why do you go to the blue area at all at the start? I expect it's to release as ...
Exactly. Infighting is key here or they will follow you through the crushers
halcyon willow
Shotgun is more versatile
chaingun is actually better by any measurable metric. longer accurate range, no over kill risk, higher dps
doom 1 makes the chaingun shine (because no ssg)
also it's better at stunning mobs
azure nimbus
only advantage of shotgun is that it does its damage instantly so shotgun is better if used against stuff like imps and not continuously. Ammo-wise it can go either way. Shells are usually easier to come by but better used for ssg.
halcyon willow
only advantage the sg has is alpha strike damage but the chaingun will kill something like a former sergeant almost as quickly
dapper flint
chaingun is actually better by any measurable metric. longer accurate range, no ...
It's just my personal preference in oh shit moments where I need to get rid of Plat targets or mid range targets before focusing on the arena
halcyon willow
oh what you find more fun is a different question 
the ability to fire and then switch targets with the sg does give it some good use cases though
you are right there
vivid vine
In instances of actual sniping, ie distant moving pixels and dots you want to stop moving, pewpew pewpew pewpew
gaunt gust
i completed knee deep in the dead and it sent me back to the main menu what do i do now
dapper flint
i completed knee deep in the dead and it sent me back to the main menu what do i...
The shores of hell, then inferno, thy flesh consumed then sigil
Even though technically it's doom 2 before thy flesh and sigil just do the episodes for 1
gaunt gust
The shores of hell, then inferno, thy flesh consumed then sigil
thx
dapper flint
No worries
vast reef
what type of person plays vanilla in gzdoom
finite crag
Civvie
vast reef
mouselook and crouching in vanilla feel wrong
jumping is pretty op as well
ik i can disable them, but if i disable mouselook, i can't hit some enemies because gzdoom removes infinite monster height
past fern
is there any way I can download doom on a lower patch so I can beat nightmare without speedy ass mfs? (ps5)
vast reef
is there any way I can download doom on a lower patch so I can beat nightmare wi...
uh
play on ultra violence then turn on respawning monsters
past fern
going for the platinum trophy where you play on co op in nightmare @vast reef
vast reef
going for the platinum trophy where you play on co op in nightmare <@75790501681...
i can't help then
i have no idea what the platinum trophy is
past fern
i have no idea what the platinum trophy is
"beat every level in doom on nightmare in co-operative mode"
vast reef
"beat every level in doom on nightmare in co-operative mode"
on nightmare?
nightmare is supposed to have faster projectiles and more aggressive monsters
vast reef
newer patch made it harder tho
what new patch
gleaming urchin
i just bought ultimate doom, doom II, final doom, and "master levels for doom II"
on steam
gleaming urchin
very real
finite crag
dam
gleaming urchin
misato playing doom real?!
finite crag
yes
royal heron
newer patch made it harder tho
my dude ever since Nightmare! was ever introduced, there was always fast monsters and respawning monsters
there is no "patch", unless you're talking about the BFG Edition version of Doom, which you're clearly not
past fern
was told through forums that they messed it up on earlier patches and it was slower
vast reef
was told through forums that they messed it up on earlier patches and it was slo...
nightmare's fast monsters is slightly different from the fast monsters option, if that's what you mean
gleaming urchin
i made it to inferno
vast reef
slough of despair is going to beat you up if you don't know what you're doing
gleaming urchin
iddqd
gleaming urchin
yes iddqd
finite crag
iddqd x2
gleaming urchin
iddqd 
im in slough of despair
i have killed all 26 demons
and i have not found the blue skull
no wait i have
pandemonium background music seems familiar
gleaming urchin
mt. erebus time
gleaming urchin
ok cool i finished inferno
past field
all I have to say is good luck in thy flesh consumed
copper zephyr
guys please tell me, DOOM 2 mod project brutality 3.0 can splitscreen?
vast reef
no.
royal heron
Slough of despair just sucks as a map
Also check the automap, you'll find a secret that way
slim willow
slough's so bad it was just cut from the old console ports
steel lion
Slough of despair just sucks as a map
i like that map
steel lion
Also check the automap, you'll find a secret that way
it looks like a hand
if i talk about maps i like most of the maps of episode 2
the first 4 maps i love them especially e2m3 'cause its nostalgic for me
because i played in an online emulator which for some reason had some saves (it was the DOS version)and one of the saves had almost any weapon and you appeared in e2m3
azure nimbus
nightmare's fast monsters is slightly different from the fast monsters option, i...
in that they don't have the 8(?) tic wake-up time. In terms of earlier patches, the bfg edition used to and possibly still didn't have turbo pinkies on nightmare. Also, unity (the retail port for console) lacked that as well until a later patch
steel lion
in that they don't have the 8(?) tic wake-up time. In terms of earlier patches, ...
the fast monsters option doesnt have the pain time of pinkies halved
azure nimbus
trying to test it out. honestly can't tell. didn't know that
azure nimbus
oh as in fast monsters usually has pain time halved for pinkies but not for weird bfg stuff
steel lion
????
azure nimbus
If I do fast monsters on a regular port, will pinkie pain time be halved or is that only for nightmare
steel lion
nightmare only
steel lion
in that they don't have the 8(?) tic wake-up time. In terms of earlier patches, ...
the tick wake up time is called reaction time
royal heron
nightmare only
im testing this out
steel lion
ok
on which source port?
cause the bfg edition and the unity source port doesnt have that
royal heron
dsda
steel lion
???
steel lion
oh
past field
Slough of despair just sucks as a map
I dunno, I kinda like it
steel lion
well depends
the ultimate doom has more levels doom one not
9 levels per episode x 4 episodes = 36 levels in total
royal heron
it seems like the pain time isn't halved for fast monsters but I can barely tell a difference in my tests with a pinkie and a chainsaw
besides the fact that a nightmare pinkie was able to bite me about once or twice
steel lion
decino said that
royal heron
decino said both Nightmare! and fast monsters halve the pain time
steel lion
yeah i saw that video
but he says in another (i think it was the ai video)he said there wasnt the halved pain time for regular fast monsters
royal heron
yeah after further testing they have same pain chance
royal heron
but he says in another (i think it was the ai video)he said there wasnt the halv...
that's just reaction time
steel lion
yeah after further testing they have same pain chance
no im talking about the paint tiem
royal heron
yeah I'm talking pain time
steel lion
oh
royal heron
directly from the enemy ai video:
"The duration of the Pinky's state tics are halved"
I thought so...
there wouldn't be an exception to pain time and fast monsters except for BFG Edition
steel lion
maybe idk
i use gzdoom as my source port
so im going to test that later
i think its possible play any wad on the mobile source port
royal heron
GZDoom has certain technicalities that make it not 100% faithful to vanilla so maybe I guess that's why?
steel lion
in the mobile source port there is a folder called wads and has folder with the wads you downloaded and 3 or 4 images
i think you can change the wad for another one and play it
azure nimbus
that doesn't mean that it can play every wad
azure nimbus
I doubt it could play something like heartland. Heartland is eternity engine only. Even gzdoom can't play it
azure nimbus
deathless is a doom1 wad. make sure you have an IWAD of ultimate doom.
azure nimbus
I don't know what to say other than making sure that ZDL has them both loaded..
steel lion
wtf is zdl?
azure nimbus
z doom launcher
steel lion
oh
azure nimbus
Are you using a launcher or commands?
steel lion
a launcher
azure nimbus
oh which? I thought it was only zdl for gz
steel lion
im using gzdoom
azure nimbus
which launcher
steel lion
idk
i just lauch it like a normal application
but when i try to open it,it shows a menu to select the wad (cause i have the four classics)
azure nimbus
might not know enough about gz doom for it then
steel lion
ok thanks anyway
well how do i use prboom+'
how do i start it
i try using a command line like this
molten iron
Do you know how to use the command line?
molten iron
does it work?
steel lion
ok
i will try
it appears to work idk
o wait it didnt
it says "no segments in level"
molten iron
where did u get doom.wad?
steel lion
i dont remember
i think from a download page
i have the doom 2 wad from the dos version
steel lion
if it wasnt from steam or gog.com it might be broken
i dont think so
it works with gzdoom
when i open it i can acces a bit but it says no seg in level
molten iron
well buy it from steam and find out 
steel lion
???
royal heron
it works with gzdoom
Because GZDoom can make extremely broken maps work
steel lion
oh
royal heron
I can have unconnected linedefs, unbuilt nodes, broken sectors, and missing textures and GZDoom will just patch that or try and stretch stuff
It doesn't have accurate vanilla compat like Boom sourceports though, which is a tradeoff for the moddability
steel lion
oh
silver tide
My Switch LRG pacakge arrived today for Doom Classics Collection
Woot
Shame about the initial forced online connectivity though
royal heron
nice
steel lion
<:skull_blue:242298453709815808> <:skull_green:681259341407453208> <:skull_red:2...
keys
silver tide
I ordered it in March. Finally delivered today
dapper flint
I ordered it in March. Finally delivered today
I ordered it the second the orders opened. Don't even have a delivery notification
silver tide
Maybe check your spam. I got an email within a month ago saying that production was underway and they were just waiting for some final things
dapper flint
Will do bro
eager agate
DOOM 1 E4 has to be my least favorite episode in the series
fast mortar
Fortress of mystery has to be my least favorite
silver tide
There are some E4 episodes levels I like. I think D2 is my least favourite
sullen idol
<:skull_blue:242298453709815808> <:skull_green:681259341407453208> <:skull_red:2...
screenshot
📸
long plinth
what?
gleaming urchin
hey guys what exactly is special in final doom?
vast reef
hey guys what exactly is special in final doom?
the plutonia experiment
gleaming urchin
is it an episode?
vast reef
is it an episode?
no
final doom is a bunch of wads for doom 2
the plutonia experiment is one of them
gleaming urchin
oh
misty pawn
its a double feature of 2 32 level episodes
TNT starts strong but gets worse later on
gleaming urchin
cool
royal heron
basically yeah
most of the community agrees that Plutonia is better than TNT
although some hate plutonia
I don't know their exact reasons, but it may be because of the difficulty and the traps
they think it's dickish
finite crag
imo plutonia kinda gets boring after the first few levels
regal dust
Big brain individuals play tnt everyday and fucking love it
TNT is the greatest wad ever made, don’t @ me
azure nimbus
I assume that's sarcastic or that you've not played other stuff
finite crag
Big brain individuals play tnt everyday and fucking love it
this is true
finite crag
same for me
also so true shinji
dapper flint
Plebs
gleaming urchin
yesterday the spider mastermind tried to kill me but i had the bfg 9000
and then i killed it with said bfg 9000
finite crag
no
gusty falcon
Hmm must be an older machine
vast reef
but it says my driver cant support open gl or something like that
use lzdoom
lament gust
thx
vast reef
or prboom
lament gust
also can it support mods?
vast reef
also can it support mods?
lzdoom?
lament gust
yee
vast reef
you need gzdoom to run mods, lzdoom can run some
lament gust
darn
finite crag
lzdoom is just gzdoom for nintoasters
vast reef
try running gzdoom with the software renderer
nvm it isn't possible
lament gust
i know
vast reef
also lzdoom can run mappacks and texture edits
vast reef
but now it just jumps right into the game
put more wads in your folder ig
vast reef
poggers
vast reef
Do not say that
ok
vast reef
got it to work!
great
lament gust
downloading russian overkill rn
echo arrow
How do i get over the big gap in e1m2 in Doom II?
tepid vault
How do i get over the big gap in e1m2 in Doom II?
Try to find a button to press
Theres probably something like that
echo arrow
theres no button.
tepid vault
Theres always one
Fr idk
What does the level look like
Can you show me in #screenshots?
echo arrow
i cant progress
tepid vault
i cant progress
tepid vault
be more specfic, the walls near the gap\?
Yeah
Or go back a little bit in the level, you may have missed something
echo arrow
needed to sprint holding the middle mouse button
tepid vault
needed to sprint holding the middle mouse button
Oh
royal heron
needed to sprint holding the middle mouse button
Bind autorun
It helps so much
I don't know how one doesn't play with sprint on all the time
vast reef
I don't know how one doesn't play with sprint on all the time
sometimes i play with sprint always off for a challenge
tepid vault
eager agate
There are some E4 ~~episodes~~ levels I like. I think D2 is my least favourite
I like the first three maps and that's basically it.
silver tide
I like the first three maps and that's basically it.
For E4 or D2?
eager agate
For E4 or D2?
E4
meager kite
I though Speed of doom was easy enough only maps I really disliked were 29 and 27
28 was a fun map
23 isnt to bad once youve played it enough
azure nimbus
I though Speed of doom was easy enough only maps I really disliked were 29 and 2...
what other mapsets have you played / between what sets would you rank it? I want to play that soon but depending on how hard it is, I'd play it sooner
halcyon willow
SOD is probably about scythe 2 difficulty? easier than sunlust, harder than plutonia
azure nimbus
more or less than alien vendetta?
meager kite
Some maps are incredibly difficult others are a blast
Map 28 has over 2800 monsters and was fun as hell to play
Hardest were the compact maps
halcyon willow
more or less than alien vendetta?
slightly harder? pretty similar though i'd say
the macro slaughter maps in SOD are pretty straight forward once you get over the initial shock of the monster count
azure nimbus
Almost done with eviternity(got beaten by dead batteries + 600 miles from my usual battery stache). I was able to do the first 4 maps of combat shock 2 but 5 looks unrealistic for now. So AV and SoD would be the hardest sets that I actually finish saveless per level but hopefully I can actually do it
fathom kernel
hey guys
the game doesnt accepts brutal doom
i renamed the file bdoomv21.rar to bdoomv21.pk3 then put it in the same folder with gzdoom.exe and put the .wad in that folder too then tried to open gzdoom with brutal doom but when the game opened it was the normal classic doom
where is my mistake
finite crag
i renamed the file bdoomv21.rar to bdoomv21.pk3 then put it in the same folder w...
don't rename the bdoomv21.rar to .pk3
finite crag
download 7-zip or WinRAR to unzip the rar file
and inside should be the Brutal Doom pk3
I wish Brutal Doom was in the console rereleases of classic Doom :(
fathom kernel
ohh
i updated my laptop to win11
forgot that winrar was gone
installed it and im good to go
thxx
gaunt gust
i rlly need help on cyberdemon fight, any tips?
azure nimbus
which level
gaunt gust
which level
2
azure nimbus
circle strafe it and pump it with rockets(or plasma if you have it)
gaunt gust
circle strafe it and pump it with rockets(or plasma if you have it)
alr thx
azure nimbus
For future reference, levels in doom1 are labeled e#m# and doom2 with both digits of the two digit level map##. With specifying the pwad if you get to custom content
slim willow
"shoot it until it dies"
royal heron
i renamed the file bdoomv21.rar to bdoomv21.pk3 then put it in the same folder w...
I always wonder how people don't know how to use .rar or .zip files when they're supposedly the most common way to compress files
royal heron
I wish Brutal Doom was in the console rereleases of classic Doom :(
will never happen
finite crag
will never happen
I can dream lol
royal heron
yeah but logistically it still will never happen no matter how much you dream, since brutal doom requires GZDoom
vast reef
i'll try and port gzdoom to console if i ever figure out how
finite crag
yeah but logistically it still will never happen no matter how much you dream, s...
I know, I'm saying I wish it was. I know the current rereleases use a different source port
steel lion
I think doom 1 is better than doom 2
gray iris
Why is that?
steel lion
In level design terms
gray iris
The ultimate doom does have some good level designs.
gray iris
Doom 2 has some too, but theres some maps that are bad like Map 21 Nirvana
steel lion
'Cause when you enter a new episode you need to grab again the weapons
For example
And every episode has its own difficulty and gameplay stile
azure nimbus
you can always play pistol start anyway on every level
gray iris
You can pistol start in doom 2 and 1
azure nimbus
depending on port, it can be tedious to manually pistol start sure
steel lion
And for a normal player doesnt feel natural
gray iris
I think
azure nimbus
a lot of levels in doom2 are sandy peterson and he designs for pistol start
steel lion
And i think the levels are more unique
And you may have some favoritism for some levels that most of the dont like
gray iris
Knee deep in the dead is the most memorable episode in doom 1
steel lion
Like me of e2m3 and e2m4
gray iris
It’s because there so easy and the other episodes are weird and hard lmao 
steel lion
I think episode 1 is for playing cassually and dont worrying so much episode 2 is more to be harder like than episode 3 or 1 episode 3 is more action like and episode 4 is feels like a really god extra for the gane
gray iris
Yea Episode 4 is like wow
steel lion
I prefer e2m3 in my opinion, i dont say its better i like it
And episodes mechanic makes you dont do more levels than you want to
steel lion
No
gray iris
Oh nevermind
gray iris
There are some wads that are easy
They only have 7 levels in them
I think TNT is good
steel lion
Like no rest for living or how tf it writes
vast reef
In level design terms
yes
steel lion
I think TNT is good
Yeah
steel lion
but doom2 has the arch-vile, revenants, and super shotgun
Ik
gray iris
The super shotgun is over powered tho
steel lion
Yeah but it doesnt break the game
gray iris
And the arch-vile is an asshole
steel lion
A hell knight dies in 3 shots
gray iris
Map 11 Hunted Has all arch-vile in the map
gray iris
Plutonia experiment
azure nimbus
it's really not too bad. You can funnel them to a trickle through the maze
steel lion
Oh i remembered the map
vast reef
Yeah but it doesnt break the game
normal shotgun's better for clearing rooms full of imps and zombiemen
vast reef
normal shotgun's better for clearing rooms full of imps and zombiemen
use the SSG for the pinkies and tougher enemies
steel lion
That map looks very similar
gray iris
W3D is just an ok game
vast reef
W3D is just an ok game
by today's standards, yes
gray iris
Back then it was a beast
gray iris
That map looks very similar
What map?
gray iris
@steel lion have u ever played SIGIL
steel lion
And if you shoot all the guards will come to you
steel lion
<@756731154123587644> have u ever played SIGIL
Not at all
steel lion
I have a questions abut the DOS versions of these games
What you will be paying for?
The wad or the .exe file
gray iris
The wad
steel lion
Oh
gray iris
I think
steel lion
I think the .exe file
Because you can download free in internet the original wads
And if you were paying for the wad they would eliminate that web pages with their wads
slim willow
The wad is what you'll need for sourceports and such and is illegal to distribute, unless it is the shareware doom 1 wad. The EXEs are fine to distribute as long as you're not distributing the wad...
steel lion
You a have a good point
steel lion
I think we should think like doom 1995 would think
Saying we are in 1995 or classic doom years
slim willow
The IWAD (DOOM.WAD, DOOM2.WAD etc.) contains all the assets, meaning graphics, music, and levels. That's what is copyrighted. The source code is open (why you can distribute the exes and sourceports) but the assets are not.
steel lion
Whats a pwad?
slim willow
The only IWAD that you can legally share is DOOM1.WAD (the shareware release).
slim willow
Whats a pwad?
A patch wad. Basically makes the game think the new data is actually the old stuff. Like if you took a picture of Al Pacino, resized it to 320x200, converted it to doom graphic format, put it in a pwad, and renamed it "TITLEPIC", the game would think that is the normal titlescreen and then display it as such.
slim willow
Yep
steel lion
Oh thanks
gray iris
And megawads are a 32 level wad
steel lion
Udoom has 36 levels in total
gray iris
They don’t have to have 32 levels
slim willow
mapinfo, my old friend
steel lion
I know
gray iris
@steel lion Have you played Golden Souls 2
steel lion
No
steel lion
Oh
gray iris
But doom
steel lion
A patch wad. Basically makes the game think the new data is actually the old stu...
Now i think im an idiot
steel lion
I thought that zdaemon was a f**king trash cause it installed so many pwads that i thought it was trash
slim willow
we all learn things as we go, dont worry about it
steel lion
I thought a pwad was other form for calling them
vast reef
I think the .exe file
engine is open source
steel lion
Oh
vast reef
the wads are the copyrighted resources and maps
and the "free wads online" are either freedoom or illegal
slim willow
yes. heres all the exes.. lol
https://github.com/Doom-Utils/iwad-patches/tree/master/vanilla-engine
vast reef
freedoom is a retexture with different maps basically
steel lion
Using the orginal wads as a base for a new wad its fair use?
vast reef
Using the orginal wads as a base for a new wad its fair use?
if you change everything, it's fine
textures and maps
slim willow
if you do something like freedoom you're fine
slim willow
If you do it as a pwad absolutely.
slim willow
People have been making megawads forever.
steel lion
I think i want to make a mini wad
Just 10 levels
For starting
8 levels 2 secret ones
gray iris
I think i want to make a mini wad
Your going to need Doom Builder or other ones
steel lion
Ok
slim willow
Seeing as its hard coded to load secrets only at map 15 and 31. You might want to use an advanced sourceport and learn some flavor of mapinfo just fyi.
steel lion
Oh
slim willow
That is if it's doom 2, doom 1 is different with e1m3, e2m5, e3m6, and e4m2 having secret functionality. 🙃
slim willow
I mean if you really want to
steel lion
Oh
gaunt gust
how many rockets does it take to kill cyberdemon?!?!
steel lion
More than 20
Maybe more than 50
Cause it doesnt take the blast damage a rocket can do up to 160 damage
I think
And a cyberdemon has 4000 health
royal heron
how many rockets does it take to kill cyberdemon?!?!
Around 40-50
Cyberdemons do not take splash damage
and rockets do anywhere from 20-160 damage excluding splash damage
fierce scroll
e2 m7 what does that button on the southwest of the map do, with the small blood room
gaunt gust
in inferno do lost sould continuously spawn?
halcyon willow
I think it's normally around 48 rockets to kill a cyberdemon
prime lava
pretty much, average should be about 50 (4000/80)
royal heron
e2 m7 what does that button on the southwest of the map do, with the small blood...
the red switch in the blood room?
that's a secret
fickle adder
how many rockets does it take to kill cyberdemon?!?!
Around 40-50ish
tacit remnant
steel lion
Idk why
But for me its harder to beat the cyberdemon from e2m8 than every other cyberdemon from map 32 of plutiona
mighty stone
Well you have the BFG and copious amounts of cell ammo for MAP32
steel lion
No not even with the idfa cheat
mighty stone
In Tower of Babel you get a shitty impact-damage-only rocket launcher and a limited amount of space
It's trickier
steel lion
And it gets worse not for the damage itself it for the pillars than can totally block your rockets
I think it would be better if the map had medikits spread around the arena
steel lion
I think the episode 3 themes are more like the doom 2016 or doom eternal
royal heron
just circle strafe and hit him with rockets
or just dodge the rockets
that's good practice for 2 shotting cybers
steel lion
I know
azure nimbus
idkfa in e2m8 is great 2 tap practice for bfg vs cyber
steel lion
Imagine someone having a bfg9000 in real life
steel lion
Oh
dusky dust
Ok
quartz fog
its call zkzm 500
should've called it the bfg9000 smh
dapper flint
I think it's normally around 48 rockets to kill a cyberdemon
I like how it says 20 something in the actual manual
halcyon willow
Trolled by romero 
dapper flint
I think my new favorite doom feeling is one shoting a mastermind. It feels amazing
finite crag
should've called it the bfg9000 smh
ikr
it looks really stupid tho
like a 2d fortnite gun
royal heron
jesus fucking christ it's bulky as fuck
and yeah it somehow does kinda look like a gun that'd exist in fortnite
azure nimbus
I think my new favorite doom feeling is one shoting a mastermind. It feels amazi...
gzdoom?
azure nimbus
finally finished eviternity. It really is a strong mapset. The music and architecture is a highlight for sure
azure nimbus
possible yes, but consistently is easier on ports that "fix" the blockmap bug
dapper flint
Most of the time you're not fighting a mastermind in a space where you'd run into that bug in the first place
azure nimbus
maybe I'm standing too close to it then. I never really get it
dapper flint
maybe I'm standing too close to it then. I never really get it
Basically my trick is charge rush and time it so you blast it right in its face , so you're so close you can't move forward. Let all the tracers hit at once
azure nimbus
are you letting the ball travel or shooting very late
dapper flint
No ball at all. Just shoot at the last minute it'll just look like a bfg spark on her face
royal heron
This happens only occasionally with me sometimes, and that was only with testing
azure nimbus
tried it so many times on e3m8 no luck
steel lion
???
quartz fog
playing ult doom rn keycard hunting is annoying af, i just beat e1
gilded void
Anyone try Corruption Cards? Was looking for good wads to play with it
royal heron
yeah it's quite fun
especially corruption cards on map30
spoiler alert: ||There's a card that replaces the Icon Of Sin fight with a John Romero in a gundam fight instead, and it's hard as fuck||
gilded void
...I'm interested wish me luck
halcyon willow
Most of the time you're not fighting a mastermind in a space where you'd run int...
single shotting SMMs is much less consistent in vanilla doom
dapper flint
single shotting SMMs is much less consistent in vanilla doom
100 percent. I did 2 in a row and it felt so damn good
finite crag
what
devout rover
JOE MAMA
finite crag
.
devout rover
who is joe mama btw
finite crag
chocolate doom vs gzdoom
finite crag
chocolate doom vs gzdoom . which one?
eternity lol
halcyon willow
chocolate doom vs gzdoom
depends entirely on what you want to play
chocolate doom only supports vanilla mapsets
eager agate
Seeing as its hard coded to load secrets only at map 15 and 31. You might want t...
With mapinfo you can make any map a secert map right?
vast reef
chocolate doom vs gzdoom . which one?
if you want to play vanilla, definitely chocolate doom
gzdoom isn't optimized at all, but it's pretty much the only way to properly play doom mods
slim willow
With mapinfo you can make any map a secert map right?
yes
steel lion
I tried to make a map in a dos program
Impossible to undestand
I cant even edit an object
I cant even put a wall
vast reef
boomduilder
finite crag
Prboom or chocolate?
woof
halcyon willow
gzdoom isn't optimized at all, but it's pretty much the only way to properly pla...
gzdoom is optimised, people just load big maps with badly coded mods
vast reef
gzdoom is optimised, people just load big maps with badly coded mods
compared to other sourceports, no
halcyon willow
it's on creators to work within the confines of the engine, and then users to use mods/wads in the intended fashion
i get better performance on gzdoom than prboom on my boom maps
it depends on your hardware
if you have an old computer prboom will run better
vast reef
it depends on your hardware
only way to get 60 fps for me on gzdoom is to play it windowed
halcyon willow
good for you
what's your specs
gzdoom's development is focused on running on newish hardware
vast reef
what's your specs
2gb ram
intel pentium something with 2 cores and 3 ghz
intel uhd 510 gpu
halcyon willow
vulkan support
vast reef
vulkan support
nope
halcyon willow
so you have an old machine
vast reef
so you have an old machine
very
vast reef
yes but other people with gtx 1080s report barely hitting 60 fps
halcyon willow
it's optimised to run on cards that support vulkan
this is the kind of thing gzdoom can run with 1000 monsters fighting here
130000 line map
vast reef
130000 line map
i don't think you're supposed to play this with prboom
halcyon willow
you're not
vast reef
i'm saying that if you're going to just play vanilla, go with woof, dsda, or something
unless you want gzdoom's AO and FXAA output
halcyon willow
if you're running vanilla maps performance is not an issue
it's fidelity of experience
which is entirely down to player preference
eternal lance
chocolate doom vs gzdoom . which one?
why not crispy doom
eternal lance
2gb ram
intel pentium something with 2 cores and 3 ghz
intel uhd 510 gpu
then get LZDoom aka gzdoom for weak PCs
vast reef
then get LZDoom aka gzdoom for weak PCs
when i run lzdoom my monitor says "out of range"
eternal lance
when i run lzdoom my monitor says "out of range"
odd
eternal lance
this is the kind of thing gzdoom can run with 1000 monsters fighting here
are you trying to tell me that this thing is still doom ?
damn.
past field
chocolate doom vs gzdoom . which one?
prboom+
vivid vine
Crispy
safe moon
then get LZDoom aka gzdoom for weak PCs
i use lzdoom in case gzdoom isnt compatible with some mods or fucks with like the textures or something like removing transparency of the projectiles in brutal doom 64
thx gzdoom
vivid vine
no boom or mbf wads <:mortally_challenged:496783494920536100>
No bad mods either
slim willow
finite crag
does the ultimate doom builder work with the steam ports?
halcyon willow
are you trying to tell me that this thing is still doom ?
damn.
yeah that's Bastion of Chaos. A gzdoom slaughter map
slim willow
Bridgeburner said he knew of new content being made.
finite crag
wdym resolution fix
sullen spruce
When those console ports of D1 and 2 came out they werent 16:9, they were 16:10, and the internal resolution was high, no chunkiness in the distance (chunky as in like playing the old pc versions back in the day).
Post their 16:9 aspect ratio / dehacked support patch they nerfed the internal resolution, so that everything became low res and chunky in the distance. While that's "classic" they should have had a toggle in the options, and its not great for more modern wads like BTSX etc.
It's been like a year + and still no fix.
Doom64 on the other hand is in 4k and looks amazing...
(no chunkiness to speak of)
pearl osprey
@molten iron Just tried dsda-launcher v1.0, it's working with no issues so far (and it looks cool tbh), thanks for the effort
worldly echo
molten iron
Oh Thanks!
I was about to write a message here to let people know about it.
So yeah, v1.0 of dsda-launcher has been released. For those who dont know, this is a launcher GUI for the dsda-doom source port.
It is customizable and has a lot of useful features for speedrunning and regular play
This launcher is also crossplatform and there are builds available for both Windows and MacOS
https://github.com/Pedro-Beirao/dsda-launcher
pearl osprey
Magnificent 👍
molten iron
Oh and btw, the "Check for Updates" for dsda-doom will only start working correctly when version v0.22.6 of dsda-doom is released
For now it just launches dsda-doom
But the "Check for Updates" for the launcher does work fine
royal heron
wait how do you use the .state files?
I honestly have no idea how to make on in the first place
molten iron
Press "State" and then choose save
Then if you load that .state it will autoselect everything you had before
Also, just noticed a problem with a dsda-doom library (affect macos only)
If it crashes when you Launching the game, just redownload the launcher and it should be fixed
molten iron
Its more noticeable on windows than mac yea
past field
The launcher doesnt really look as beautiful in windows though
But hol’ up I never seen any of THOSE options
Imma download it
past field
OOOOOH
it looks pretty
I like it
no, I LOVE it
oh shit I can update dsda-doom without needing to go to the thread and downloading it myself????
quartz fog
I finally got the bfg9000 let's goo
past field
use it wisely, it takes up a lot of ammo
molten iron
oh shit I can update dsda-doom without needing to go to the thread and downloadi...
It just checks if you have the latest version, if not it links you to the thread. But in the future I want to make it update it by itself
past field
oh okay
doot eternal
vast reef
Is it ok to be young but still like classic doom.
it's ok to be young and like atari games
nobody's going to judge you
pearl osprey
I'd say a good chunk of classic doom players are very young
vast reef
nobody's going to judge you
and if they do, they deserve to be judged back
vast reef
I'd say a good chunk of classic doom players are very young
yep
pearl osprey
It's totally fine for younger audience to like old games/other art mediums, anyone who claims otherwise is dumb
young bridge
My friend got me doom 1 or ultimate doom, any thoughts or reviews?
cosmic pagoda
cosmic pagoda
My friend got me doom 1 or ultimate doom, any thoughts or reviews?
you serious? you need reviews on doom?
one of the best and most influential games ever made
young bridge
you serious? you need reviews on doom?
No, I have doom 2016, I'm just wondering how it will compare to this one
vast reef
No, I have doom 2016, I'm just wondering how it will compare to this one
completely different experience
play it on UV i guess
tawdry quest
@vast reef @pearl osprey Thanks for that guys, wow this community is so welcoming!
vast reef
<@757905016815353876> <@881878874479292466> Thanks for that guys, wow this comm...
hope you enjoy your stay here
tawdry quest
thx
vast reef
Forgive me for being stupid but what is a UV rig
ultra violence i meant
vast reef
ultra violence i meant
difficulty
tawdry quest
hey guys fun fact
did you know blast damage in classic doom is a cube with infinte height?
credit to decino for that fact btw
vast reef
did you know blast damage in classic doom is a cube with infinte height?
i knew about the infinite height but not the cube thing
tawdry quest
yeah
vast reef
but it makes sense considering they had to make the game runnable on most PCs
tawdry quest
blast damage is a square lmao
vast reef
blast damage is a square lmao
circles are too much work to compute
compared to squares at least
tawdry quest
and because they use the block map to calculate it
vast reef
mhm
tawdry quest
did you know that doom 2 is 28 years old?
wait no
thats doom 1
doom 2 would be 27
correct me if im wrong
young bridge
It's kinda funny that doom 1 is half a gigabyte but doom 2016 is 60, let alone doom eternal being 80
vast reef
It's kinda funny that doom 1 is half a gigabyte but doom 2016 is 60, let alone d...
doom 1 isn't half a gigabyte
the original dos version is like 35-60 mb iirc
vast reef
On steam it said like 400 megabytes
that's the dosbox emulator that comes with it
tawdry quest
its funny how you paid for doom back in the day
you just send a check to ID for the other 3 episiodes
young bridge
Oh
young bridge
Man I wanna get doom eternal on my laptop but I dont think I'll have the correct graphics card and processor
Idk why I said space
tawdry quest
I have Doom 2 and Doom Eternal on my Nitendo switch
Nintendo*
It's cool of Bethesda to make an emluator for young doomers like me
Topic of converstation
whats your favorite classic doom map
it can be Doom 1 or 2
I'll start
Map 7: Dead Simple
I'm playing it as we speak
I beat par time lets go!
past field
whats your favorite classic doom map
Doom E1M8: Phobos Anomaly
its just such an iconic map
tawdry quest
o rlly
show a screenshot of where you enter the map
dealing with hitscanners is a who shoots first kind of ordeal: change my mind
@past field your right it is iconic
i just remebered what it looked like lol
azure nimbus
you just send a check to ID for the other 3 episiodes
the other 2. When doom1 was 4 episodes, you could buy it retail
azure nimbus
doom released with 3 episodes in 1993. in 1995(after 1994's doom2), Ultimate Doom was sold in stores and old versions of doom1 were updated to Udoom's 4th episode. Among some small bugfixes like lost soul floor bouncing. To this day, they still won't bounce on ceilings
tawdry quest
hm
nice fun fact
im doing a ultra violence plus playtrough of doom 2 rn
switch version if you care
azure nimbus
does switch version's uv+ have fast monsters too like unity?
tawdry quest
yes the imps are annoying
im also going for 100% kills and secerts
so basically UV+ MAX
azure nimbus
rip map27
azure nimbus
map27, monster condo has a secret which kinda sorta can't be gotten. It is doable but is nearly pixel perfect so demos allow it to be skipped. 87 % (think that's the right number) is accepted. map15 also has an "impossible" secret. the linedef is on the teleporter but the tp moves you off before you can trigger the secret. You need a pain elemental to spawn a lost soul to squish you into the ground. For context, on difficulty, I can do map15s but never got 27's impossible secret.
tawdry quest
oooooh
azure nimbus
pistol starts or single segment, curious?
tawdry quest
single segment im not a masohcist
azure nimbus
Sandy Peterson is crying
tawdry quest
im still on map 02 lmao
azure nimbus
In terms of speedruns, either category makes sense. But for casual play, the levels are designed around pistol start for the most part. It is hard though, there is a much bigger emphasis on secret hunting with gear resetting. it's a preference
tawdry quest
yeah not mine lmao
azure nimbus
I'll admit that it feels pretty rough for doom2 especially since a ton of levels don't give a supershotgun
tawdry quest
ikr!
fast mortar
I feel like monster condo is not talked about enough when mentionin doom 2 which is a shame since its a neat level
azure nimbus
one of the few times that the bfg really gets to shine in vanilla stuff
azure nimbus
I still don't know how the buttons and stuff work in that repeat room with mancs though
tawdry quest
hey guys
my favorite gun in the game is the plasma gun
its like the chaingun but better
ok gonna go into the tunnels guys
wish me luck
azure nimbus
I do need to use plasma more. it's so powerful. I just have an aversion to using it since it's less ammo efficient than bfg(bfg tracers deal more damage than plasma bolts)
tawdry quest
ik
but the BFG is rare and expenisve to operate
so
next best thing
plasma gun
woook
100 x3 i beat underhalls baby!
ok
its gantlet timee
cosmic pagoda
No, I have doom 2016, I'm just wondering how it will compare to this one
its better, i'd say
tawdry quest
have yall ever noticed hitscanners of the same type can infight?
cosmic pagoda
I feel like monster condo is not talked about enough when mentionin doom 2 which...
yeah its one of the memorable doom2 levels, theres too many of the forgettable ones there sadly
azure nimbus
have yall ever noticed hitscanners of the same type can infight?
try getting the map28 spiderdemons to infight. it's a show
fast mortar
you play doom barney!
Tryna keep my sanity goin after the black mesa incident with beer and doom
tawdry quest
good to hear man
ok im stuck
between hitscanners and imps
fast imps btw
and now have 12% health and 82% armor
and a chaingunner peaked and killed me
but never fear because i quicksaved!
:/
map 3 is hard on UV+
and i accidently quicksaved as a corpse
azure nimbus
so I guess it's pistol start then
fast mortar
and i accidently quicksaved as a corpse
i thought the game didnt let you quicksave while dead, damn
tawdry quest
im on switich version lmao
azure nimbus
unity usually hasn't in my experience
fast mortar
Rip
tawdry quest
thx barney
fast mortar
doom on switch, damn, does it handle good?
tawdry quest
define handle good
fast mortar
are ya havin a hard time movin the camera and the player with the analog sticks
fast mortar
thats gud
tawdry quest
i mean they have a sensitivity slider
at least this map gives me mega armor and 2 medikits
fast mortar
i've been a console player mostly but first person shooters were somethin i had a hard time controllin on an analogue stick
cosmic pagoda
doom2 is quite easy, seems to be a git gud issue
tawdry quest
well
you have a point
but its not like i just booted uo the game and don't know what im doing
cosmic pagoda
I suggest play through plutonia while swallowing tears and you'll have a whole another perspective on doom2
tawdry quest
yeah i heard its hard
cosmic pagoda
its hard, but its good
tawdry quest
ive played a little bit myself
fast mortar
I suggest play through plutonia while swallowing tears and you'll have a whole a...
i second that
tawdry quest
chaingunner + archville = hell = plutonia experiment
finite crag
screw plutonia, play tnt play sunder lol /j
tawdry quest
anybody got any good strats for map 3?
oh wait
i thought of one to deal with the fast imps
use the lift as cover
safe moon
I suggest play through plutonia while swallowing tears and you'll have a whole a...
plutonia is honestly one of my favorite commercial wads, aswell as thy flesh consumed
tawdry quest
now i just have the hitscanners i need a strat for
safe moon
they just need some brand spanking new midipacks since uhh theyre using recycled music
safe moon
idk i just like calling em that '3'
tawdry quest
naw i just used you as insporation for a corny joke
safe moon
oki oki
tawdry quest
not making fun of ya mate
man
90's gamers must be some friggin beasts if UV+ is a difficulty, i don't even wanna talk about nightmare props to the guy who beat the game on nightmare
and sure
it could be just me whining
but still
im not gonna give up man
im gonna play until i beat map 3 to gibs!
wait!
The secert!
I have to use the secert!
yes!
I jumped to the secret!
I have 115% health and a BFG les go!
les go SSG and a Backpack!
LETS GOOOO
i beat map 3!
I have new fear for turbo pinkies
finite crag
90's gamers must be some friggin beasts if UV+ is a difficulty, i don't even wan...
isn't uv+ just nightmare but no respawning monsters and there's co-op item placements?
tawdry quest
yes?????
im also doing it max
ok
map 4
deep breath
i fired a rocket into one of the shotgunner chambers
gibbed, all of them
map 4 is easier than map 3 why?
oh btw anybody know where the 3rd secert is, don't tell me just gimme a hint like is it behind a differnet textured wall or smth
i think it might be in the spectre pit
nope
found it
it was in the spectre pit i just selected the wrong wall lmao
yikes my time was 16:14
ok
pearl osprey
you can use IDDTT Cheat if you can't find a secret
tawdry quest
oh auto map
yeah i was considering that
but i found it anyway so no biggie
hey @pearl osprey which is better to take out chaingunner shotgun or SSG?
pearl osprey
SSG is your primary
Chaingun is useful for stunning some enemies
Shotgun to conserve ammo
pearl osprey
yeah
prime lava
it's purely situational on what you should use 🤷♂️
prime lava
it's not like it keeps getting harder and harder
some maps are easier, some are harder
tawdry quest
interesting
is it because of doom's variables
like enemy and weapon placement
enemy amount
how much ammo you have etc right?
@pearl osprey turbo pinkies are scary change my mind
tawdry quest
i just face rockted lmao, good thing i got a mega sphere before hand
map 06 is done
royal heron
What're you doing? Nightmare run of doom2?
quartz fog
wait i didn't read the past comments which mission?
tawdry quest
@royal heron UV+ max playthrough
quartz fog
oh cool
quartz fog
wait is doom 2 better than ult doom? i've been playing ult doom and got halfway through episode three and it's okaay? it's a little bit boring however
tawdry quest
well doom2 just adds 8 new monsters
broken meteor
Tru
tawdry quest
oof
broken meteor
Lol
quartz fog
maaan
broken meteor
Bruh momento uno
tawdry quest
favorite map and gun Bingo and Shazam since your here
mine is Map 07 dead simple and the plasma rifle
quartz fog
okay i'll reword it... ult doom is fun when you got multiple ammo types and can mow through waves of enemies but once you run out of ammo... ahem and can only use your shotgun... yeah i hated halls of the damned for two reasons
royal heron
wait is doom 2 better than ult doom? i've been playing ult doom and got halfway ...
It's subjective
tawdry quest
@royal heron dang right son
quartz fog
favorite map and gun Bingo and Shazam since your here
i don't got doom 2 so for ult doom it'd be... and i'm not a particularly critical person when it comes to ranking maps so prob just cyberdemon boss fight or sloughs of despair... you know the hand? i know it sounds stupid but it was simple enough, just crawl through each finger and return to the palm to get ammo
tawdry quest
yeah too big
royal heron
But it does add new content