classic-doom

[halcyon willow]

It gets easy once you learn the move sets

[prime lava]

sunlust is a very fun wad from what I've played, my elder brother who's been dooming a bit recently played it on HNTR.. I tried some of the fights and they still are really fun even when they are way easier

the difficulty balancing definitely is good

[halcyon willow]

Doom has much more rng and organic encounters. You have to be much more on your toes to react, and make broad tactical decisions

And people like ribbiks and danne are very good at making difficult fights

Yeah sunlust on lower difficulties is very fun and engaging

Hmp was the intended baseline difficulty (says so in the text file)

[dapper flint]

That makes a whole lot of sense

Hmp plus hahah

That doesn't even make any sense

[halcyon willow]

Wouldn't that be hmp on coop?

Which sunlust does have

[dapper flint]

I don't even know know what that would be like... now I'm curious

[halcyon willow]

I know xen likes to play hmp fast

[dapper flint]

Really ? Damn... it has some possibilities now that I think about it

[trim lagoon]

Hey, I'm gonna be playing a map pack that recommends a boom based source port

Which boom source port do you guys recommend?

Mappack in question is running late 2

[young basalt]

Hello?

[trim lagoon]

?

[halcyon willow]

Dsda doom is the latest boom based port that is actively maintained

[dapper flint]

Would love some controller support soon. Rumor is its being worked on ?

[halcyon willow]

I'm not super up with the development of dsda but that would be cool

[dapper flint]

I know it's super niche but it's nice to see that support. I feel limited sometimes

[grim pollen]

The rest of us who've played through Ribbiks syllabus atleast knew what to expect going into Sunlust. Stardate 20X6, Swim with the whales etc. The start is a bit tricky but not the best indication where it'll end up by 30 🙂

[royal heron]

Then lower the difficulty or save?

It's not that hard

I don't understand people who complain that things are too hard when there's a literal difficulty selection screen

Just because something is hard doesn't mean that it sucks

[dapper flint]

Alot of people aren't used to the concept of practice runs I feel

Some really tough maps I'd be up to 30 50 practice runs

[royal heron]

This type of mindset is set by people who say "saving means you're bad" or "UV is the only way to play"

[dapper flint]

Uv plus fast syringe map 3 took me around 45

[royal heron]

It's just ridiculous

[pearl osprey]

I wish boom sourceports would add a checkpoints feature

doom's saving system is kinda lame

you can save wherever you want

[dapper flint]

It doesn't mean you're bad and it isn't the only way to play. I'd just suggest that if you want to increase your skill level. It has nothing to do with having fun though

It's that simple

[royal heron]

Checkpoints would be hard to implement I'd think

[pearl osprey]

I think in GZDoom there are checkpoints

[royal heron]

It would depend so much on what PWAD you're playing and where it would consider to check

[dapper flint]

Well checkpoints are redundant if you have quicksave no?

[pearl osprey]

it simply does an autosave when you activate a linedef

It can be treated like pistol starts

there is nothing stopping you from not pistol starting

but if the creator says you should only pistol start you probably gonna do it

same thing with checkpoint imo

[dapper flint]

I don't know if this would be a good idea since line's usually mean activation of some evil sort

[royal heron]

I feel like having a checkpoints system would be redundant with the save menu, unless you remove the save featire entirely for the checkpoint system

Because otherwise people can just save wherever they want or savescum

[gusty falcon]

There are some maps ive played that have checkpoints

[pearl osprey]

you can either just let them savescum if they want, but in your readme or on the forum where you post the wad, you tell them not to do so

[gusty falcon]

Redemption of the slayer

And doom one

[pearl osprey]

I think checkpoints will give more accessibility and freedom to players

especially in UV

if you're a doomgod you can do it in one segment, and if you are a normal player UV is now a lot more fair

[dapper flint]

I'd probably just suggest sticking to hmp

[pearl osprey]

not for all maps obviously but still

[royal heron]

I suppose it'd be a neat feature but I honestly just save or rewind

[pearl osprey]

Yeah I am having a dilemma where a map I am creating is too long

so I have to make UV somewhat easy

just so it wouldn't be frustrating if a player dies late

[royal heron]

I mean, Heartland has huge ass maps and they're on the more difficult side

Titan's Industry being one of them

Or Reservoir Dog

It just has to be possible to be beaten UV pistol start no saves

Otherwise you can go nuts and the playtesters can tell you their opinions

Which is uh... me

I'm the only playtester

[eager agate]

Are no saves really a requirement?

[royal heron]

NO

[pearl osprey]

yeah that's the thing you can't have a map that's insanely difficult and long at the same time, it has to be only one of them without checkpoints

[royal heron]

Wait are you talking about map difficulty balancing?

[eager agate]

Yeah

[royal heron]

Then yes, at least

It should be possible

[eager agate]

Nah I don't save during gameplay I just rage and resurrect

[pearl osprey]

it's traditionally a good thing to make sure your maps are beatable without saving on UV

althought if you're making a modern map with UDMF and all that stuff it might be a different story

[royal heron]

I'm still stuck on Map15 and I haven't even run through a lot of ABL2's maps either yet

[pearl osprey]

I have beaten it with like 10% kills lmao

[royal heron]

So far the only one's I've done are a few of SYDES's maps and your map18

Which I did with rewinds... I need to go back and try it again

[dapper flint]

Just makes you a better player. It's not required

[pearl osprey]

I playtested map18 a bunch of times now I think it should be fine

[royal heron]

Still though, those sniping chaingunners are genius and evil

[pearl osprey]

I think he's talking from a mapper standpoint*

[eager agate]

I am

[dapper flint]

I think saves are important for practice runs though

[royal heron]

Wait Vull, what's the delay for the last arena walls to start lowering down? Or is it a linedef you have to activate

[dapper flint]

It would be silly not to practice fights

[pearl osprey]

it's timed

[royal heron]

Ah

[dapper flint]

Before a no save run

[pearl osprey]

I think like 15secs for each stage and there are 3 stages

[ionic bloom]

i mean id understand if it were a placeholder but why is this the placeholder

[royal heron]

I'll have to admit that telefragging the cyberdemons was probably the best part

Having them in cages before the final fight does a nice sense to invoke fear

[pearl osprey]

Man I am excited to release that map

although we're kinda falling behind schedule ?

[dapper flint]

I recently played hurt.. it's gigantic. Easily done no saves but one of the issues is low enemy count during fights in huge arenas. You want to make sure you don't do something like that just to sandbag your map and make it easier. It takes away from the size and scope honestly

[pearl osprey]

we're really slow

[royal heron]

The project is slow but I'm sure there's a reason why not a lot of people are mapping

[pearl osprey]

I've seen one or two really good and new boom mappers on #classic-doom-maps-mods

But they seem to have their own projects

[royal heron]

The remastered map29 by SYDES was also pretty good

[pearl osprey]

I am gonna check it out now

[dapper flint]

Remastered?

[pearl osprey]

Maybe I did check it before idk

[dapper flint]

Like John's map?

[royal heron]

Nah, a custom megawad that a group of people are making that I'm currently in

[dapper flint]

Ah gotcha

[pearl osprey]

Anyone is free to join the project btw

[eager agate]

Sounds interesting

[pearl osprey]

It's a 32map megawad made in Boom format with the premise being on learning mapping and teaching mapping to all

on that note I think I will start working on my map again

[dapper flint]

Look forward to playing it

[royal heron]

Amateur Levels for Boom II, or ABL2

[eager agate]

Sounds fun

I need to work on mapping

My maps are shit

[pearl osprey]

Don't be harsh on yourself, you'll learn very quickly

[eager agate]

lmao

I think I have pretty well, I'm just bad at floors

My maps are really flat

[pearl osprey]

There are a bunch of great tutorials online for that

DavidXNewton has some videos on the basics of mapping

Chubzdoomer has some GZDoom related tutorials

they make good videos

[halcyon willow]

Check points remove agency from the player. They can be good to have in massive gzdoom sets with things like cut scenes or boss fights but generally I wouldn't have them

[pearl osprey]

I wouldn't use checkpoints in a 20 minute map obviously but If I had a map that's over an hour long it's kind of a necessity

[halcyon willow]

There's already a mechanic for breaking up long maps

The save button

Auto saves need to be there for a reason

And not force the player into a bad save state

[pearl osprey]

Yeah that's the point, instead of the player saving in a random spot you can have a strategically placed checkpoint

[halcyon willow]

Strategically placed check points can still fuck the player over. Force them to save on 2 hp

At the end of the day more player agency is generally a good thing. I'd rather let players make bad decisions but make it themselves than force them to make what I think is a good decision

[pearl osprey]

well nothing is forcing them to not save if there are checkpoints in the map

a lot of GZDoom maps already do this

if you don't like the checkpoints you can just save

but if you want to play it like the creator intended you save

it's up to the player

[halcyon willow]

I've yet to meet a mapper who has any opinion on when you should save specifically in their maps (outside of general advice)

[pearl osprey]

My maps usually are split into multiple parts or stages

each stage ends with a big fight and after that you have get a bunch of resources and have less monsters for a while

I think having checkpoints in these safe spaces would be great

[halcyon willow]

Well then you can add them into your maps

[pearl osprey]

Well here the problem arises from

there are no checkpoints in boom format

[eager agate]

Damn

Why are you making maps in Boom then?

[pearl osprey]

it's a great format and has a lot of great features

the biggest upsides are how easy it is to use, and more importantly how it remains close to original doom gameplay

[eager agate]

Idk I prefer GZ

I don't care that it's different or whatever

And I grew up with the XBLA ports so I've played classic DOOM how it was originally played

[halcyon willow]

Boom is a format, gzdoom is an engine

[pearl osprey]

UDMF format is great just not my cup of tea

[halcyon willow]

All formats are good

They all serve a purpose and a wider 'feel'

[dapper flint]

It has great controller support which I really enjoy not as fluid as eternity bit still really good

[halcyon willow]

Gzdoom is the jack of all trades

[pearl osprey]

Fully agree on that

[halcyon willow]

Does everything well (and some things the best)

Dsda and things like crispy are a bit more specialized

[dapper flint]

Absolutely. I wasn't a fan at first but all the options available really makes it a staple I think everyone should have

[halcyon willow]

The thing is with gzdoom is you can make it feel pretty vanilla adjacent if you want. Just takes a bit of messing around with the settings

Gzdoom does have a stupidly large menu

And really should have the ability to save profiles

[dapper flint]

Yeah!! It took alot of work to get it there I mean because the default settings but you can adjust everything. I mean even Nash gore is adjustable to a level where it's just a tiny bit more blood. I like having those options

[halcyon willow]

Very versatile

[rare temple]

I forgot I never finished No Rest for the Living (still have two levels left and didn’t bother with the secret map)
I should beat it sometime

[hallow herald]

is the sound on odamex broken for anyone else?

i cant get the in game sfx to work

the midis play fine

i tried resetting it to default settings, uninstalling it and reinstalling it, etc. but nothing works

[eager agate]

Best official DOOM 2 DLC

[dapper flint]

Nope

[eager agate]

[dapper flint]

[trim lagoon]

man, gzdooms default settings makes me think graf zahl purposely chose them to drive away new players who want to get into doom and are recommended them

because the default options are horrendous and afaik have been like that since the start

[eager agate]

How?

I play default settings and they're fine

[trim lagoon]

texture filtering mainly

[eager agate]

Well I turn on the crosshair but that's it

[trim lagoon]

thats kinda just the worst option

[eager agate]

What even is that

[trim lagoon]

makes the textures look super muddy

lemme get a screenshot

https://imgur.com/a/etIjE1j

heres linear filtering which is on by default

ruins the texturework of everything

[worldly echo]

the lighting is shit too

i set it to truecolor

[halcyon willow]

Yes because changing the settings is such a chore

[worldly echo]

it truly is

i hate clicking my mouse and reading

[trim lagoon]

you'd think if changing the settings being a chore meant that the default settings would be actually good, but clearly making gzdoom look good isnt graf's intention 😔

[halcyon willow]

It's awesome you're all mind readers

Amazing

[trim lagoon]

so im doing that thing on doomworld where you find 5 random wads and play through them

found this gem https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/d-f/darkuac

code red code red!!!! a demon army have appeared and taken over our expernimental facility and ohhhh nugget its the biggest invasion force we saw yet!!! in our base is filled with many experimental techonolgy and it must not fall into enemy hands at all cost!!!! get over there now and kill the bastards or ill put your ass on slow broil now MOVE OUT```

this is incredible

[dapper flint]

The gz UI is super simple. Not even slightly an issue

[royal heron]

it's a terrible option that should've never been added to doom

for reference, I'll show you two pictures, one with texture filtering and one without

[eager agate]

Alright

[royal heron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/162899420013264896/892747838881144902/Screen_Shot_2021-09-29_at_8.20.58_AM.png

Texture filtering

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/162899420013264896/892747743112618055/Screen_Shot_2021-09-29_at_8.20.41_AM.png

No texture filtering

[eager agate]

I only see the difference on that one monster

[royal heron]

The walls are much more crisp

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/854794877594501143/922672691406860318/Screen_Shot_2021-12-20_at_9.11.49_PM.png

[eager agate]

Hmmm

I see

[royal heron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/854794877594501143/922672747014946916/Screen_Shot_2021-12-20_at_9.12.01_PM.png

texture filtering looks blurred

[trim lagoon]

the gun is also blurry with filtering too

[royal heron]

no texture, pure pixels and crisp

Here's more

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/162899420013264896/892747413184446484/Screen_Shot_2021-09-29_at_8.19.17_AM.png

just... ugh

look at that, then compare it with this

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/162899420013264896/892747253222088724/Screen_Shot_2021-09-29_at_8.18.43_AM.png

the monsters are so much more defined instead of looking like a blurred mess

[eager agate]

Oh yeah Coffeeguy sorry to interrupt your rant but can you send the link to EoA Eternal? I can't find it on ModDB

[royal heron]

https://www.moddb.com/mods/embers-of-armageddon/addons/eoa-eternal-latest-sprite-update-posted-on-discord

There u go

[dapper flint]

Nailed it

[eager agate]

Thanks

[slim willow]

Hexen on n64 is unlawful because of this

[eager agate]

You know what I should record myself dancing to Hugo Martin is my dad while EOA Eternal is on in the background

[finite crag]

Any way to enable pistol starts in dos doom 2?

[eternal lance]

this looks like a 2000's fake jpeg from a "leaked" doom 3 "prototype"
just a thought

man,someone needs to tell graf to change the default settings

[pearl osprey]

You can use the cheat code idclev

[finite crag]

Im newer to the franchise, I know about Doom 1, 2, 64, 3, 2016, and eternal

Any others im missing?

TNT Evilution and Plutonia

oh and I guess the master levels

Those are like add ons right?

I remember seeing somthing svout that in doom one

[finite crag]

nah

[finite crag]

yeah, they put TNT and Plutonia in the Add-ons section of the re-releases of Doom 1 and 2
but as far as I'm aware, TNT and Plutonia are their own games

How long are they?

both are 32 levels (with map 31 and 32 being secret levels, as well for both)

[tacit remnant]

To be clear that’s each, not total

The listing from easiest to hardest goes Doom1-Doom2-TNT-Plutonia

[rocky grove]

Archviles are a pain in the ass.

[somber crystal]

i hate archviles

aimbotters

[royal heron]

Archies are eh, unless used well

Pain elementals suck but I'll appreciate one that's put well

Otherwise they can go fuck themselves and they are arguably the worst and most useless demon added into DOOM

[molten iron]

Lost souls are the most useless enemie

[hallow herald]

I always love archviles

Except without cover

But with cover they improve almost any combat scenario

[pearl osprey]

Archviles, even though they are assholes, they are still the best enemy in Doom 2 imo

[sick grail]

Hello

[sick grail]

Yeah true, their abilities are charge attack lol

[rocky grove]

True.

[pearl osprey]

I feel like all a pain elemental does is waste your ammo and annoy you

Can be lethal sometimes

[rocky grove]

Marauders are endurance tests.

[pearl osprey]

But usually it's there just to piss you off

[sick grail]

Yeah and I found it annoying sometimes

But they're good ngl

[rocky grove]

Not in brutal doom.

We can throw em.

[sick grail]

YEET

[pearl osprey]

Mauraders require muscle memory and a good reaction time, pain elementals just give you pain

[sick grail]

Pain in mentality

[pearl osprey]

Pain arent as bad in doom eternal though

[sick grail]

I'm gonna say that Doom Eternal is better than 2016

[rocky grove]

Pain elemental with me: Russian overkill go brrrrrrrr.

[sick grail]

People keep complaining because it was laggy, I saw it in Midnight (Doom fan and YouTuber)

[rocky grove]

Damn.

[sick grail]

Lost souls be like: BRRRRR BRRR

[rocky grove]

Classic Doom is still alive thanks to the chill modding community.

[sick grail]

Yeah Classic Doom + Doom Eternal= You can play Doom without buying ps4

Which I did already 😜

[rocky grove]

I can put cod mw weapons in doom 2.

[sick grail]

Same, I wanna try it too

Moddb right?

[rocky grove]

Yeah, it's Call of Doom Black Warfare.

[sick grail]

Also there is counter strike Doom

[sick grail]

Ah yes I heard that mod and it's cool as frick

Mostly Project Brutality 3.0

Which I completed the game

[rocky grove]

EoA, is hands down the best mod I've ever played.

[sick grail]

I didn't finish EoA

I was in map16

Struggling looking for yellow key

[rocky grove]

Easy solution. Give Keys.

Boom cheat codes.

[sick grail]

And to skip maps?

[pearl osprey]

IDCLEV mapnumber

[rocky grove]

Fuck.

I'm too slow.

[azure nimbus]

what launcher is used for WOOF!? And how do we get accurate kill counters like decino has? Mine is always affected by arches

[molten iron]

I dont think woof has any launcher

And decino just uses prboom+ extended hud

[azure nimbus]

So would I need console commands to use woof?

[molten iron]

Yep

[pearl osprey]

You can just use ZDL cant you?

[molten iron]

Yeah zdl

i really hate zdl

[pearl osprey]

I do too tbh

It keeps forgetting the wads and command line arguments I used for no reason

[molten iron]

On mac it does not support almost every source port except gzdoom

And it looks like shit when using dark mode

[pearl osprey]

If I were on mac I'd honestly just use the terminal

[molten iron]

I normally use dsda-doom, so I just use my own launcher

[pearl osprey]

On linux the terminal seems like the best way to launch doom so I am guessing its the same for mac

You programmed your own launcher just because ZDL sucks, absolute chad

[azure nimbus]

thanks. worked ez. controller support + comp levels are the main things I want. Then third I like having the kill count like decino but never figured it out

[molten iron]

Yeah. Also the prboom+ mac launcher was driving me nuts

[pearl osprey]

I think decino uses the prboom+UM source port for that

[molten iron]

He does

[azure nimbus]

prboom+ doesn't have controller support so I can't use that

[pearl osprey]

Damn tough luck

[molten iron]

dsda-doom will have controller support in the future

[pearl osprey]

Maybe GZDoom has a mod for that?

Or a setting

[molten iron]

It was confirmed by the creator

[azure nimbus]

trying to stay a little more vanilla / boom than gzdoom

[molten iron]

You can try eternity

[azure nimbus]

I've been using eternity

[molten iron]

Oh

[sick grail]

Same

[azure nimbus]

WOOF has compat options so thought I'd check it out. It has a "classic bfg" option. wonder what that is

it's the christmas cannon with the 40 projectiles

[molten iron]

Eternity also has that option

[azure nimbus]

WOOF has a built in stats counter!

[azure nimbus]

only complaint is that lighting is bad. But otherwise, it's very good. We have controller support, comp levels in the menu(superior to prboom imo cuz it says the names and not just the numbers)

[pearl osprey]

Sounds neat, I am gonna try it

[azure nimbus]

widescreen too if you're into that. can't figure out how to do strafe on(for sr50) on woof though and how to get my reticle back. it doesn't seem to allow sr50 on controller if you use analog turning. If it's binary turning(as if you were using arrow keys, then it would accept it. I mapped my dpad to be binary turning buttons so I can still sr50. It's more awkward than it was on eternity but that and reticle are pretty small things to be fair

[pastel yarrow]

anyone know of some good GZDOOM mods? i have russian overkill and brutal doom already

[molten iron]

Golden souls

Its Mario 64 in Doom

[finite crag]

Project Brutality 3.0

[dapper perch]

only doing switch currently of doom but have to ask for the classic games do you guys think crosshairs are a good addition to the old doom games?

[molten iron]

nope

Its fine if you like it, but it looks weird to me

[dapper perch]

I don’t like it it makes it too easy to know when you are gonna hit

[azure nimbus]

one of the things I'm missing from WOOF! after playing eternity

[unique fossil]

you don't really need a crosshair in classic Doom since your weapon is centered anyway

[azure nimbus]

ehhh it's a lil off

[unique fossil]

The auto aim fills in the gaps

[azure nimbus]

horiz auto aim doesn't exist for hitscan and is often detrimental for projectile weapons

[unique fossil]

I've been playing for over 15 years and it's been a non issue for me /shrug

Though if I'm playing a mod that recommends free look, I usually turn the crosshair on lol

[finite crag]

I'm pro crosshair

[pastel yarrow]

you have a download link?

[pastel yarrow]

Is it difficult? I saw it on a top 10 list, but i only skimmed it

[finite crag]

https://github.com/pa1nki113r/Project_Brutality

[molten iron]

Its difficult in higher difficulty settings

But its a must play imo

[gusty falcon]

Yeah it's gotten pretty good I've not played it in awhile myself mostly because weaker android device plus pb 3.0 don't mix very well

[dapper flint]

Any main updates for eternity yet ?

[fallow lotus]

Which game do u like better? Doom or Doom 2?

[finite crag]

2

[royal heron]

Here's some mods I recommend:

Embers Of Armageddon(EOA)
Embers Of Armageddon: Eternal(EOAE)
Corruption Cards
Abort Mod
Doom One
Call of Doom
Project Brutality
Beautiful Doom

[eternal lance]

Knee Deep in Zdoom

[dapper flint]

2 adds alot but 93 just has that pure nostalgia

[unique fossil]

Doom 2, just for the new monsters

[tacit remnant]

Doom 2 for the new monsters, SSG, and less claustrophobic level design

[azure nimbus]

not that I'm aware

[dapper flint]

Thought so

[eager agate]

Someone pin this

[spice radish]

What source ports are used for speedrunning I just got Crispy Doom and wanted to make if it could be used since previously I used GZDoom and that can’t be used for speedrunning.

[dapper flint]

Dsda

[royal heron]

DSDA-Doom

[spice radish]

Kind of expected that lol. Let me rephrase my question: Can Crispy Doom be used for speedrunning?

[royal heron]

Yes

People have done so for ages

Some people still use it but people mainly gravitated towards dsda now, but crispy is still a perfectly fine option

[spice radish]

Ah ok cause I thought it was only PRBoom, DSDA-Doom and the like thanks!

[grim pollen]

Too lazy to go past crispy 5.5

I should DL DSDA doom this weekend and give it a go

break out of my cndoom shell

[dapper flint]

It's what all the cool kids are doing

[grim pollen]

I cave to peer pressure easy so.... i'll check it out 😄

[velvet quail]

Hello again

Anyone alive?

[west jungle]

Yes

[velvet quail]

Im currently playing plutonia pistol start

Its a good challenge

I have finished map 11 which isnt as hard as it seems

[dapper flint]

Well done

[velvet quail]

Rn im just trying to figure out wtf im gonna do for map 12

[velvet quail]

Thank you

[west jungle]

Map 11 is fun

I love screaming whenever I turn a corner to find 1-3 archviles waiting there for me

[dapper flint]

Try it on uv plus next

Actually a good time

[velvet quail]

I forgot what civvie said about pistol starting plutonia on uv 😳

I guess im going to QuakeCon next year

[dusky venture]

oh lol.

He said if you can pistol start plutonia on UV, any girl at a convention would fuck you on the spot

[dapper flint]

Nah it's fine. Civvie talks out his ass time to time

[dusky venture]

Now if pistol starting plutonia UV gets you that... what would pistol starting Sunlust UV get you?

[velvet quail]

Killed, it would get you killed

You would die from an aneurysm

[dusky venture]

Immolated by sixteen archviles on the spot

There is no escape

[velvet quail]

[royal heron]

hm

maybe I should revisit map26 of scythe

beaten it before on HMP with saves, but never beaten on UV

probably a good thing to do after I've dried up a bit with doom

[dapper flint]

Does it have a decent solo net ?

[royal heron]

lemme see

[slim willow]

Pistol started Sunlust. I've gotten nothing.

[velvet quail]

Yeah also

How bad is go 2 it on pistol start

[slim willow]

Not at all. You get all the weapons at the very start.

[velvet quail]

It was kinda hard with weapons from previous maps

[velvet quail]

Yeah but like all the ammo?

And shit is there like a fuck ton in the level?

[slim willow]

Yes.

[velvet quail]

Oh thats fine

I’ll be able to do it

[royal heron]

not bad at all

I've done it pistol start nearly first try

And I'm pretty trash

[royal heron]

And anyway, just tried -solo-net on map26 it doesn't seem to have any notable features or extras, so no don't do it it's not worth it

i think there may be a few extra backpacks and that's it?

[dapper flint]

Damn man. It so rare these days I just want another decent solo net experience

[dapper flint]

Respect

[hallow herald]

Death by suffocation

[dapper flint]

I pistol started plutonia uv plus fast 100 percent no saves

It won me nothing

[past field]

hopefully I can go next year

[finite crag]

Should I pistol start No Chance?

Or maybe I can pistol start Okuplok Slaughter Map?

[slim willow]

when have you been to a convention recently though?

[dapper flint]

...

[finite crag]

(I dont know names so forgive me)
The only Enemy's I've really had trouble with in doom 1 is the shotgun guys and the giant rocket demon

[sullen stream]

every time I try to open EOA ETERNAL, it doesnt work and doesn't let you enter any levels

[rocky grove]

I can assist.

I opened it with little issues.

[sullen stream]

ok

[rocky grove]

Basically, rename everything to EOA_Assets don't open the thing called bonk_hammer and ChaingunShield.

And you're good to go. Worked for me.

[sullen stream]

wait so what?

[rocky grove]

The the other 4 files except those 2.

[normal remnant]

download eoa assets & eoa code + eoa eternal
rename all their formats to .wad
add them all to a zip archive and rename it's format to .wad too
then open the archive

[sullen stream]

I did that

[rocky grove]

Here. Take it or leave it.

[normal remnant]

by the end you should have this: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/714576824876793906/923138830222102538/unknown.png

[sullen stream]

exept it was a compressed zip folder

[rocky grove]

I see.

[sullen stream]

also I dont have bookstacks or whatever it is

[normal remnant]

what

[sullen stream]

the program with the books and belt

[normal remnant]

that's winrar

you can literally use any alternative and it'll work, like 7zip

literally windows' default explorer will work

[sullen stream]

ye I have 7zip but can it make a zip archive

[normal remnant]

also i don't understand wdym
wdym rename "eveything"? what files?
and wdym "don't open __"? what are those and where are they located?

[normal remnant]

yes, it doesn't matter what archive you do mostly
just change it's format to .wad at the end

[rocky grove]

I got another version that works.

[normal remnant]

oh ok

[sullen stream]

okay, tho it did nothing

[normal remnant]

what files do you use? where did you get them from?

[rocky grove]

Moddb.

[normal remnant]

same

[sullen stream]

gzdoom and when loading multiple mods zdl

[rocky grove]

Mine came from hellomemy.

The mod works well, I dig the meathook ssg.

[normal remnant]

where did you get eoa files from

[sullen stream]

moddb

[normal remnant]

also you don't have to use zdl for eoae, just drop the final .wad onto the gzdoom's exe file

[normal remnant]

same

[rocky grove]

My man I can't change the extension.

[normal remnant]

wha

[sullen stream]

it works to load mods but it isnt fixing anything

[normal remnant]

wait so what is the actual problem? does it crash?

[sullen stream]

no, just wont let me enter any map, both vanilla or modded

[normal remnant]

wdym "won't let you"

[sullen stream]

when I enter a level, it plays the music than takes me to a screen showing some error on the console

[normal remnant]

weird

what's the error? can you show it?

[rocky grove]

My method works fine.

And is playable.

[normal remnant]

i still don't understand what files do you even use

[rocky grove]

Hellomemy is the creator of the mod either that or something else.

[normal remnant]

also shouldn't we discuss this in #classic-doom-maps-mods lol?

[finite crag]

click on the view tab in File explorer
click the box next to File name extentions to see them

Retry the Download.

[normal remnant]

i can send eoa code and eoa eternal (the ones i used) but i won't be able to send eoa assets cuz too big

[rocky grove]

What, I use windows 11.

[normal remnant]

my man lives in the future

[finite crag]

file explorer is virtually unchanged in windows 11, afaik

[normal remnant]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/714576824876793906/923141245302370304/EOA_Code.wad
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/714576824876793906/923141327783362560/EOA-Eternal-new.wad

[sullen stream]

I think i got a solution

[normal remnant]

epic, so what did you do

[sullen stream]

rename, havent tried opening it yet

@normal remnant it made it worser

lmao

[normal remnant]

how

[rocky grove]

You're using zadro?

[normal remnant]

what? who?

[royal heron]

@sullen stream what sourceport are you using?

I can help a little bit but not too much, since I'm on a mac and I have a launcher that comes with GZDoom so I don't have to use ZDL which is really shitty

Don't use Zandronum, it's not compatible btw

Only latest versions of GZDoom

[royal heron]

Foxtrot uses Hellomemy's version of EOAE, which includes a sprite fix of the chaingun shield and inckuded the Sentinel Hammer

Also I'm pretty sure there are also a few other sprite changes regarding mod swaps

Anyway, back to the files

iirc PBeGood4 recommeneded qzdl as an alternative to ZDL

[azure nimbus]

small thing I noticed for WOOF!: the ssg "reloads" even when you run out of ammo.

[slim willow]

That's a complevel thing I believe

Shouldn't do that if you set it to "vanilla"

[hollow jacinth]

Hey all, apologies if this is a really dumb question, but I'm curious if it's still recommended to go for one of the source ports of classic Doom (Doom II in my case) instead of just using the version from Steam. I know that at one point it was recommended to tweak the Steam Dosbox settings, but it seems to work pretty well out of the box for me (an admitted complete newbie). If I'm just trying to run vanilla Doom II, is there any reason to dig deeper?

[pearl osprey]

if you just want to try out classic doom the steam version (especially the unity port) will fit all your needs

if you want either more modern features, or the opposite, a more purist experience then source ports are a good option

[hollow jacinth]

got it, thanks for the clarification!

I think I may have been playing with the Unity port

[pearl osprey]

The unity port is the one that has an addons button in the start menu

it's the best version of doom for beginners

[hollow jacinth]

Got it, yep that is definitely the one

[dapper flint]

[eager agate]

How do I even get the Unity port?

[eternal lance]

just buy doom on steam

[grim pollen]

You buy classic doom on steam. It used to just give you the old version but now it includes the old version and the unity port.

[eager agate]

Ah

[grim pollen]

It's a nice compromise to make a playable steam version or else you just get the advise to buy it on steam then use a source port. Now it's you're receiving a playable version that is a bit different from vanilla with extra content and then get a source port and expand your doom mind 🙂

[dapper flint]

Unity isn't the best

[pearl osprey]

No port is really overall the "best"

But for beginners unity is the best

[molten iron]

Doomsday is obviously the best

Just look at the cool 3d render it has

[pearl osprey]

Ikr such beautiful graphics

[royal heron]

I'm crying, it's so beautiful

[azure nimbus]

I'll check. But I can't always run vanilla. I'm playing boom and MBF stuff rn. You're right. weird.

[halcyon willow]

Jdoom is clearly the best port

[dapper flint]

Let me rephrase that. Unity is decent for new players but I wouldn't stick to it because of the wide screen resolution issue and the crashing issue when playing nightmare. The add on are a nice taste of what limit removing has to offer but they could be something added more often. I'd love to see Japanese community project or even tangerine on unity

[trim willow]

Anybody here knows pixel artist who does pixel art like in DOOM?

[dapper flint]

You mean for picture or real-life image ?

[trim willow]

like pixel art

@dapper flint

[grim pollen]

Im sure add-ons aren't that straightforward to decide depending where the textures/music are taken. Most of the picks to this point looking at the creators are pretty safe. Esselfortium/Ralphis/Rottking/Xaser/Jimmy etc.

[dapper flint]

Well for some add ons they have replaced some midis with base doom 1 and 2 midis

[pearl osprey]

Reminder: Unity is made for beginners, ofc you're not gonna use it if you dive deep into the doom rabbit hole, but for the average person its perfect

[grim pollen]

Like Valiant has tons of Gundam music but Ancient aliens is totally new textures/music

[dapper flint]

I've used unity extensively

[trim willow]

yo any pixel artist?

[dapper flint]

Since release

I know it's issues

And just because it can be for new people doesn't mean it shouldn't have a update or 2 after a year

[pearl osprey]

I am not saying it shouldn't

It would be nice if they kept updating it but it's not a necessity

[dapper flint]

At the moment 13 months later map 29 nightmare still crashes

Which I don't think really is acceptable

[trim willow]

shiit

[pearl osprey]

Map29 crashes on nightmare?

Ok now thats kinda messed up

But still I think it should be fine enough for anyone starting out

[dapper flint]

As of now only 0.01 percent of people have completed unity nightmare on console. And I feel map 29 is the reason

I was able to do it but it took time and luck because of the crashes

[azure nimbus]

I think it's because nobody plays nightmare

[dapper flint]

No I get messages from people asking me if I'll do it for them for money all the time

[azure nimbus]

so they're not actually doing it

[dapper flint]

Yeah just want that completion or platinum in my case which kinda defeats the purpose right ?

It's just map 29 though

It's already the hardest nightmare map

Then throw in a crash

I'm not sure what the reason is for the crash but if I could guess it would be the build up of hitscanner weapons on the left ridge

[azure nimbus]

it's also on coop which requires an additional controller and a halved screen

[dapper flint]

Yeah luckily not to many maps have increase monsters.

And it doesn't have online support so you're basically doing it alone

[azure nimbus]

at least for 29, you can use map28 to grab a bfg first because continuous play is legal

[dapper flint]

That's the meta yeah. Use that bfg. But the plasma route is viable too

[eager agate]

I swear by GZDoom

I've played the XBLA verisons and Chocolate too

I vastly prefer GZDoom, freelook isn't as bad as some people make it

[dapper flint]

Freelook breaks alot of wads.

Also drastically changes movement skill / target acquisition which is why you can't submit demos with freelook

[sullen stream]

I'm using gz doom, same result

[eager agate]

I can kinda understand but my favorite thing in FPS are strafing around an area looking and shooting in every direction

Movement and pace are a big part of why I enjoy FPS and I think freelook is better for me there

[dapper flint]

I always say this but man if you're having a blast fuck what people think is the right way to play doom. As long as you're having fun that's what matters

[eager agate]

100% agree with that

[rocky grove]

Said like a true gamer, doesn't matter how the game looks like or perform as long as you can have fun and enjoy it is what matters.

[eager agate]

I'd prefer a 20 fps game built around being 20 fps over a 60 fps game that doesn't work

[rocky grove]

Same here.

[quaint socket]

I would love to see Ultimate Doom’s E1M1 modernized in Eternal’s graphics, same layout structure and style except everything is 3D, high quality, up-to-date, a little more intense but not too much so it keeps the general feel of the old one

[sick grail]

Hello

[past field]

you know what confuses me in doom 1?

e3m9.

like, e1m9 and e2m9 where completely different and cool

and you just get e3m9 which is just e3m1 but with a few differences

as a matter of fact, I think e3m9 shouldve been e3m1, because e3m1 is very short, and you can just make a different level for e3m9

maybe the cyberdemon part could be replaced with a cacodemon on easy (ITYTD and NTR), a baron of hell on normal (HMP), and keep the cyberdemon on hard (UV and NM)

also, missed opportunity to add doom 2 monsters to ultimate doom (or at lease just E4)

[vast reef]

what does it mean to tyson

i see the term a lot on forums

[molten iron]

You can only use your fists and the pistol

[vast reef]

oh

[molten iron]

and you gotta get 100% kills

[vast reef]

i see, thanks

[royal heron]

and chainsaw

[vast reef]

also, do monsters spawned by the icon of sin respawn in nightmare

[royal heron]

yes, but they respawn in a very weird place

decino has a video on it

[vast reef]

alright, i'll check it out

[prime lava]

they respawn out of bounds

[dusky venture]

Only due to the spawn point not being set to the location of the cube target when the spawn function is called. Defaults to 0,0, which is the map origin. Just so happens to be out of bounds.

[desert stag]

doom

[halcyon willow]

wise words

[somber crystal]

mouse look is just better imo
a lot easier to aim and more fun
some mods depend on it

[dapper flint]

Easier is the key word here

[halcyon willow]

autoaim can be easier as well

it depends on the situation

[fast mortar]

I like the secret level of the third episode more than the other two, the fact that you are now equiped with the weapons necessary to take out the enemies, and especially those two cacodemons that i had to pistol in e3m1 is pretty damn neat

[dapper flint]

Well situation is key. Say you have a ledge with three archies you need to rush rocket but at the same time the base floor gives you a imp manc horde. You have seconds to rush forward shoot the rockets and get theArchie's before a zap and you need to rush enough where the lock on targets them and not the shit storm coming. That's just one example but you know what I mean

Freelook in this situation completely changes the engagement

Fundamentally

[halcyon willow]

that's why i said it depends on the situation 😉

[dusk dagger]

Sort of

It's to compare your completion time with the PAR displayed

https://doom.fandom.com/wiki/Par_time

Of course everyone, or at least many of us do Entryway in less than 10 seconds

[finite crag]

👀 me spending 20+ minutes in every level in the game

[dusk dagger]

I mean, if speedran

[finite crag]

Ah

Ten seconds!? How though?

[dusk dagger]

Avoid the imps and the zombies in the corridors😂

[finite crag]

Still

Less than ten

Thats insane,
I guess im slow then, it probably took me like three ish minutes to get it done

[dusk dagger]

Speedrunners are crazy

[finite crag]

Best run you know?

Of any level of a classic?

[dusk dagger]

Zero Master did a Doom 2 one in 18 minutes

[finite crag]

Entire game?

[dusk dagger]

yup

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fMmSkl3aco

pretty wild

[finite crag]

Dang

[royal heron]

I think he has a 17 now

Looper hold the current WR, iirc

[prime lava]

record is 17:29

by looper

[royal heron]

just as I thought

[vast reef]

how do i turn off the linear filter in prboom+

i really don't like it

[dusk dagger]

Go to Options > General (last page)

And change the first parameter

[vast reef]

tysm

[prime glacier]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[gusty falcon]

Gz My preferred engine since I play alot of mods although I don't mind prboom + since it now has the option to disable head bobbing

[azure nimbus]

more notes on WOOF!: it's extremely optimized. Even the largest maps that would grind eternity to a halt from AA or eviternity have WOOF still running at a normal framerate.

[prime glacier]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[gusty falcon]

Good to hear unfortunately out of my reach

Vanilla oriented doom source port

[past field]

MBF ported to modern software

Although prboom+ and dsda-doom is better

[azure nimbus]

some highlights so far: runs well(in terms of frames). It's kinda dark. Widescreen. Stats screen. controller compatable. has comp levels from vanilla to mbf21. It picks automatically which vanilla to use. idk how or even if it will ever use comp level 4.

[vast reef]

imo really good source port but it's not very vanilla

it's not allowed in speedruns for that reason

[past field]

My problem with woof is that there isnt an always run option

[vast reef]

yeah, that's a little annoying

[past field]

but other than that, its a great port that runs flawlessly in 60fps (and maybe even more!)

[trim lagoon]

Hey, does anyone know if theres a mod that restores full 8-direction rotation using the sprites Romero released a while back?

[azure nimbus]

yes there is

[past field]

really?

[azure nimbus]

it's the "autorun" option in keybinds. you only need to use that key once and then you can leave it off

[past field]

oh

[azure nimbus]

so I don't need to press it when I load it. It is technically not "always run" as a toggle in the settings but is functionally identical

[royal heron]

GZDoom, perfect for modding or just general casual play if you don't really care about super accurate vanilla compatibility(Also has great controller support, if you're into that)

Woof! and DSDA-Doom currently stand out to be the most two popular Boom-based sourceports if my memory serves correctly

Eternity Engine is a whole new sourceport by itself because it uses Eternity Definition Files, but imagine it as a mix between a Boom and ZDoom sourceport

it has UDMF support and all that jazz that ZDoom has(Albeit it's more limited than ZDoom) but it's more close to vanilla than ZDoom is

Controller support for EE is also pretty good

[azure nimbus]

I still have a weirdly awkward time disabling mouselook in gz goom. I turn it off and all it does is recenter the view

[royal heron]

if you disable freelook in gzdoom it should just snap you back to mouselook which is just side to side

[azure nimbus]

thanks

[finite crag]

is complevel 2 doom 2 or the latest version of doom 1?

[prime lava]

cl2 is for doom II, cl3 for ultimate doom

[royal heron]

CL2 is for Doom II, CL3 is for Ultimate Doom

[finite crag]

Is there anything unique regarding CL3 that makes it different from other CLs?

[finite crag]

just rebind 'x' to autorun and press 'x' once lol

[slim willow]

Great for mods, a lot of options to play around with, works great for Heretic and Hexen, and it's not hard to install. Not ideal if you're a giga nerd who cares about vanilla accuracy and all that though.

[azure nimbus]

in cl3, you can play episode 4 of DOOM, lost souls bounce on floors(still not ceilings), and boss deaths are handled more properly. Mostly the lost soul stuff

[dusky venture]

me when killing a spider-mastermind on E2M8 ends the level >.>

[vivid vine]

Mastermind in E2M8 and Cyberdemon in E3M8

I once found some rumor that Shores of Hell and Inferno got swapped, that you would actually die and end up in Hell and return to a Tei Tenga that was being overtaken by Hell

I mean the map for Episode 2 includes them building a tower as you clear levels

[somber crystal]

great for modding tho it tries too hard to be modern and needs opengl 3.2
which is why i use lzdoom
which is better imo
no need to tinker with settings, easier to set up, ultra massacre difficulty, most mods are compatible except 3d ones etc

[dapper flint]

Fantastic controller support

[pure stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doomguy-doom-face-doom-icon-gif-17308241

What are you guys ganna get tomorrow

[somber crystal]

not christmas for me

[somber crystal]

yeah but who would wanna play an fps game with a controller

[dapper flint]

Me the only one in the world to complete sigil uv plus fast

And with a controller

[royal heron]

you just insulted the entire controller army

MuricanEagle plays Doom Eternal with a controller

one of the best controller players too

Gougaru, the only person to complete SIGIL UV+(this is the one with -fast as well) with a controller

[pure stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/intensefies-doom-gif-13084145

[royal heron]

plenty of people play with a controller

some just want to lounge on the couch and not sit upright handling a keyboard and mouse

[pure stirrup]

yes

[royal heron]

saying "why would anyone play an fps with a controller" is super ignorant

[pure stirrup]

your right

[royal heron]

Halo? Started out on XBox

controller only

[pure stirrup]

Halo is something persanol

[azure nimbus]

part of it is that doom aiming is less intensive so the drawbacks of controller are less pronounced

[dapper flint]

I have a couple friends who are eternal legends and they use controller. It isn't the tool it's the person using it

[pure stirrup]

fair point

[azure nimbus]

I play eternal on controller too. Was one of the top console players. Controller does work but it is definitely clunky. Did mostly battlemode. MMAFRO did speedruns for controller

[dapper flint]

Yeah it's definitely not the best option but you master what you have then you're good to go

[azure nimbus]

discovered classic doom through the DE slayer computer

[royal heron]

ever since the ability to rebind keys to weapons like KBM, controller players have been upping their skill with quickswaps

hell, I've found switch players who can quickswap PB + RL consistently with weapon wheel

[azure nimbus]

To be fair, the multiplayer viable swaps were always doable on wheel anyway and that's what we're used to.

[dapper flint]

Plus you have bumpers now like I do which changes alot

Your dead fingers on the bottom now have alot to do

[fleet sail]

[dapper flint]

[molten iron]

I play classic Doom with keyboard and mouse, but play Eternal and 2016 with a controller.
Just cuz u get better aiming with a mouse than you do with a joystick does not make controllers unviable for fps games

[vast reef]

i suck at controller but it's great when i don't want to have back problems

[nova bobcat]

Just testing something real quick

[fickle adder]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/877762399225147452/924157255073550376/swiningpaincaco.gif

[ionic bloom]

can someone tell me what it means by "tackle" in treasure tech land? i try to bind tab to "user1" or "tackle" and it doesnt work

please

[dull snow]

https://twitter.com/majorarlene/status/1474734620331683842?s=20

SHANNON//CANNON 💙 (@majorarlene)

merry christmas, right click the fuck out of these

Twitter · Dec 25, 2021, 1:31 PM

[sharp furnace]

Quick question for everyone

Actually nvm

[quaint socket]

I also have a question

Nvm

[fleet sail]

[white berry]

[finite crag]

hey is there like a wad selection screen for crispy doom?

[finite crag]

doomguy's balls

[edgy drum]

You may want to download a launcher, which is different from your sourceport

[pearl osprey]

You can use ZDL to launch wads or just drag and drop the directly on crispy

[finite crag]

k just saying bcuz i saw br0leg's vid and he had wad selection and i wondered if its for crispy aswell

wait

[edgy drum]

yeah ZDL is a common one, but there are many to choose from

[finite crag]

cant i just launch wads as crispy? O_O

[pearl osprey]

ZDL works on all source ports since its a launcher

[finite crag]

oh ic

[pearl osprey]

You can

[edgy drum]

Yes

[pearl osprey]

Keep in mind that not all wads or compatible though

[finite crag]

nah im too lazy for that here comes zdl

[pearl osprey]

Crispy doom supports only vanilla and limit removing wads

So it wont run things like brutal doom

[finite crag]

im okay with that i have gzdoom elsewhere

[pure stirrup]

Gz doom PK3

Brutal doom new version, beat it

[finite crag]

isnt bd's latest version v21?

or am i missing something

[pure stirrup]

ya it is

[pearl osprey]

Yeah it is

[azure nimbus]

don't think it works for DSDA. dsda has its own launcher

[pearl osprey]

It works

[finite crag]

i wonder if there would be more updates

also i love the dm arena the maps are good

[azure nimbus]

huh. I prefer dsda's anyway. Regardless, ZDL has worked on everything else that I've tried: eternity, gz, woof

[finite crag]

woof

xddd

[azure nimbus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq44msZ3eO8& highly recommend giving it a go if you like having an accurate kill-counter, controller support, and comp level selection

[finite crag]

hm il try it l8er

also i want to combine brutal doom and addons in slade should i just open 1 wad and put other one files into it?

[pearl osprey]

You can run multiple mods at once why do you want to combine them though?

[finite crag]

yea im trying to make it 1 file so i can run it throught zdl

[pearl osprey]

You can add more than one mod in ZDL

No need to combine them into a single file

[pure stirrup]

Arlene Sanders

[somber crystal]

zdl is bad use doomrunner

[halcyon willow]

zdl is flawless

perfect program

used it for over 15 years

[somber crystal]

doomrunners better

[halcyon willow]

can't be better than perfect

[somber crystal]

but it isnt perfect lol

[halcyon willow]

it is

[somber crystal]

no

[halcyon willow]

never had a single issue

works with everyport

drag and drop

[somber crystal]

many people including me have said its bad
or atleast not as good as doomrunner

[halcyon willow]

can set up local coop

[pearl osprey]

I haven't tried doomrunner before, but ZDL is kinda garbgae

[halcyon willow]

how

drag what wad/mod you want to play. select port. go

[pearl osprey]

It doesn't remember settings properly and it doesn't have multiple profiles

[halcyon willow]

???

[pearl osprey]

It's just the terminal in disguise

[halcyon willow]

what settings

i've never had anything reset or change that i didn't tell it to

[pearl osprey]

The default wad directory

[halcyon willow]

never had a problem

[pearl osprey]

Every time I try to add a wad it defaults to the installation path

[halcyon willow]

sounds like a problem on your end

literally been using this for over a decade

[pearl osprey]

No auto remembering like slade or doombuilder or literally any program in existence

All ZDL does it just barely simplify launchers

[halcyon willow]

it does everything you need in a wad launcher

[pearl osprey]

At that point just use the terminal though or just drag and drop

[halcyon willow]

and if it's forgetting things? you've broken it somehow

[pearl osprey]

Its kinda useless

[pearl osprey]

I didnt break it

[halcyon willow]

no because you can have different ports

and set load orders

[pearl osprey]

It literally doesnt have a feature to remember the default wad directory

[halcyon willow]

yes it does

[pearl osprey]

Thats what it forgets

[halcyon willow]

the default is what you set it to

[pearl osprey]

When you click the add button

[halcyon willow]

and it stays there

omg you have to click 3 more times

so bad

terrible

also

drag and drop solves all that

[pearl osprey]

Thats my point

Its pointless

It does nothing

[halcyon willow]

whatever mate

[pearl osprey]

You can just drag and drop or use the terminal

[halcyon willow]

it's done everything i, or anyone i know, has needed for 15 years

what terminal

[pearl osprey]

The command line

It basically just runs a command

You give it an engine name which is the command name

And then you give it the wads you want

Which it passes to -file parameter

And you choose an IWAD which it passes to -iwad parameter

It just runs a command

[halcyon willow]

none of this means anything

[pearl osprey]

Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it's meaningless mate

[halcyon willow]

you can use whatever program you want but if people are going to throw "this is shit don't use it" i'm gonna shut it down. zdl does its job fine

this is the end of the converstaion

[pearl osprey]

I never said don't use it

I am not here to complain

I am here to start a discussion

You can't find a solution if you don't identify the problem

[royal heron]

all this talk about ZDL reminds me... how's the Doom-Launcher coming along?

[dapper flint]

First controller bad now zdl

You guys are embarrassing

[finite crag]

I love this server but fr the classic doom chat is hella bruh moment sometimes

[pearl osprey]

So we're not allowed to criticize anything?

[molten iron]

Im still working on the dsda-launcher.
The latest feature are .state files. They do the same thing as Eternity's .gfs files. You give the file to the launcher and it sets all the settings you predefined

[dapper flint]

You sure can. But that means I'm allowed to say your opinion is dog shit

Works both ways

[royal heron]

back in the day we had sourceport wars... now those were the times 👀

[pearl osprey]

Well I think ZDL is garbage and you are free to disagree

[royal heron]

remember uhhh... fuck I forgot his name

[finite crag]

oh god the sourceport wars just fucking punch me in the face

[royal heron]

that one guy who said I gaslighted him

[finite crag]

Benko

[royal heron]

ah yes Benko

"I can't stand this coffee fucking guy who keeps gaslighting me"

[dapper flint]

And I do

[royal heron]

ooh that's neat

[dapper flint]

I wouldn't think you had poop brains if I haven't used ZDL flawlessly for a long time

Just want you to know that

Merry Christmas though

[pearl osprey]

Is the source code public or we gotta wait, I am super exicted

[polar quail]

Help i just got doom 2016 and i got this helmet thing stuck on my sceen please help

[molten iron]

For my needs, ZDL does not have some feautures I need in a launcher

[dapper flint]

It does its job well

[molten iron]

Everything is public

[dapper flint]

Can't ask for much more

[molten iron]

For gzdoom, sure, but not boom

[azure nimbus]

sourceport wars vs simply using a different port for different wads

[dapper flint]

I use eternity and gz

[pearl osprey]

True I have like 6 source ports installed

[dapper flint]

Because of the controller support

[molten iron]

yeah ik

[dapper flint]

But you guys all know that

[polar quail]

please help

Help i just got doom 2016 and i got this helmet thing stuck on my sceen

[dapper flint]

Believe it or not

[azure nimbus]

#doom-2016

[dapper flint]

But 2016

Doesn't count as classic doom

[pearl osprey]

Isn't the helmet supposed to be stuck on your screen?

Like the helmet is the hud

[polar quail]

no

i will dm you it

[finite crag]

I think they mean the doom slayers ACTUAL helmet

[dapper flint]

Don't dm this guy lol

[pearl osprey]

I dunno much about 2016

[dapper flint]

I have 2000 hours in 2016

There is no helmet issue

[azure nimbus]

helmet issue

[royal heron]

wat

[polar quail]

I need help please

[pearl osprey]

#doom-2016

[dapper flint]

You're a scammer guy

Go away

[royal heron]

I think the only way to potentially scam someone is to click on a link that they send you

no harm really done by visiting a dm isn't there?

[dapper flint]

He wants you to dm him

[azure nimbus]

I'm not seeing how it's a scam. Maaaaaaaybe get in DMs and then send a link?

[dapper flint]

So he can get your ip

[pearl osprey]

Nah he actually sent me a pic

I tried sending it here but cant

[dapper flint]

Let's see it

[pearl osprey]

Somehow the animation is stuck on top of the hud

[royal heron]

he probably could've sent it in #screenshots actuallly

[pearl osprey]

Let me put it in #screenshots

[royal heron]

but oh well

[dapper flint]

Hahahaha

Oh God

@royal heron I think you and me are the only one without 2016 bugs

[pearl osprey]

Am I blind or that looks like a real person and not a bugged animation

[royal heron]

ROFL

[pearl osprey]

In #screenshots *

[royal heron]

he has that stuck on the screen???

[dapper flint]

I'm adding you as a Friend send me the pic

[royal heron]

my god i feel kinda bad lmao

[pearl osprey]

Its on #screenshots

[royal heron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832527939153297448/924436619581337650/Screenshot_1344.png

[pearl osprey]

Yeha wtf

[royal heron]

it looks like that

[pearl osprey]

That looks like a picture and not a screenshot

[dapper flint]

This doesn't make sense

[pearl osprey]

I have no freaking clue whats going on in that picture

[royal heron]

isn't this the part of the cutscene where he puts the helmet on then tried to gain access to the terminal for info?

[pearl osprey]

Yeah it is

[dapper flint]

This is doctored

There's no other explanation

[royal heron]

either that or somehow the cutscene got stuck

[dapper flint]

I've never see this glitch

[pearl osprey]

@molten iron mind giving the link to the launcher's git page

[dapper flint]

Ever

[royal heron]

I mean, we got that brofist bug in Eternal too which is the punching animation stuck

[dapper flint]

There's no reason to have the helmet on animationwhile the map prompt

@royal heron that's foundry isn't it ?

[sharp furnace]

Stupid question but whats yalls favorite demon from doom / doom 2

[royal heron]

no, seems to be beginning cutscene

[pearl osprey]

Archvile

[sharp furnace]

The mancubus

Has the coolest death animation

[dapper flint]

Do you have access to 2016 right now

Can you find this area real quick

[royal heron]

yep, it's the beginning cutscene

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/854794877594501143/924438840138170398/Screen_Shot_2021-12-25_at_6.09.49_PM.png

the terminal looks the exact same

[dapper flint]

It is

Helmet glitch?

How ?

[royal heron]

that's so weird because I've never come across that

something must've fucked up during the cutscene

[dapper flint]

I've seen a shit ton of glitches

Never that though

[royal heron]

same

[dapper flint]

So I'm super curious

[royal heron]

this is the only instance of helmet being stuck mid-cutscene I've seen before

[dapper flint]

I thought it was a map pull up for a second which happens

[molten iron]

https://github.com/Pedro-Beirao/dsda-launcher/releases

[pearl osprey]

Thx already starred it

[molten iron]

The current windows version still has a lot of problems which are fixed in the next version.
Also, the next version wont have so many .dll files, which I find annoying

[pearl osprey]

Looking forward to it

[polar quail]

do you know how to fix it

[vast reef]

it's the terminal but with a GUI

[molten iron]

Doomrunner seems very interesting. It has much more customisation than ZDL, but again, its targeted to zdoom ports and lacks many features boom ports need

[pearl osprey]

Imo there should be an all in one launcher

You tell it what sort of engine you have on a drop down list

And it sets up checkboxes and settings and other features for that engine

[molten iron]

Thats what I want to do after I finish the dsda-launcher. It will be a fork of the previous, but, depending on the source port you choose, it will give you different options

But for now, I think doomrunner is very good

I tried it, and if you are using zdoom or derivatives, you should definitely start using it

https://github.com/Youda008/DoomRunner

[pearl osprey]

Yeah I am definitely ditching ZDL tbh

[molten iron]

Unfortunetly, if on a Mac, while this launcher compiles, it does not even launch gzdoom

[pearl osprey]

Darn

I do use windows occasionally mainly for doom so it should be fine

Although I do everything else on my pc on linux

[molten iron]

Binaries for both Linux and Windows are provided by the creator, so both should work fine

[pearl osprey]

Kind of ironic how the original doom source code was for a linux version

[molten iron]

yeah linuxdoom

[pearl osprey]

Oh neat

[finite crag]

Do any of you play on 3DS? I found it to be a fun little novelty

[fleet sail]

[dapper perch]

@finite crag yes I do have a 3ds but haven’t touched it in months

Also what difficulty should I play in the doom games? I beat 1 and 2 on UV but only because i made use the quick save feature

[molten iron]

Depends on the megawad. On sunlust for example, dont play on UV

[gentle compass]

First time I've heard of DoomRunner

I have used Doom Explorer to launch SP stuff for well over a decade, I'll have to check it out