Did you uncompress the brutal21.rar file?
#classic-doom
finite crag
(Extract the brutal.pk3 file)
So you have to do that first?
Every time I try to open brutal doom it assumes I want gzdoom lmao
past field
Oh yeah and that reason too.
finite crag
Maybe I should delete gzdoom and completely restart
past field
Is PSX doom TC legal? I saw a steam community thread similar about it, but I want to hear an answer from people in this server.
slim willow
Maybe? It is allowing you to access copyright material. But it's also not straight up distributing the PSX Doom rom. Probably some weird gray area. I wish I knew for sure.
slim willow
It is just a mod for GZDoom, yeah.
past field
Well Im sure someone here knows, like maybe GH05TF4C3?
royal heron
Every time I try to open brutal doom it assumes I want gzdoom lmao
because it'm pretty sure it's only for zdoom based ports?
molten iron
Brootal dewm on choco when?
finite crag
Brootal dewm on choco when?
U cant
slim willow
Brootal dewm on choco when?
Never
dapper flint
Don't
royal heron
unexpected rickroll
but I mean if D4V is possible on dos due to it's use of DEH...
it could be?
finite crag
there technically is bd vanilla
slim willow
Never gonna give you up
Haha, got me. Jokes aside, a pretty neat explanation on why Brutal doesn't work outside ZDoom https://youtu.be/SZYayZjY1fg
finite crag
Haha, got me. Jokes aside, a pretty neat explanation on why Brutal doesn't work ...
1st time in life that i would love ads
slim willow
Pretty interesting, right?
royal heron
Haha, got me. Jokes aside, a pretty neat explanation on why Brutal doesn't work ...
GODDAMIT
WHY DID I
finite crag
why is there a green skull
finite crag
because it'm pretty sure it's only for zdoom based ports?
Gzdoom is a zdoom
finite crag
It’s still not working for me. When i drag and drop the brutal doom file over the gzdoom file and run it, it doesn’t work
Every time just gzdoom loads, not accounting for the mod at all
royal heron
Every time just gzdoom loads, not accounting for the mod at all
Try ZDL or some other launcher
finite crag
Try ZDL or some other launcher
What’s the difference?
Would I go about the same process though
finite crag
Try ZDL or some other launcher
I got the ZDL file
What do I do with it? Do I paste it into the gzdoom file?
Every time it assumes I just want to play ultimate doom
sonic thorn
the game is trying so hard to save you
finite crag
What do I do with it? Do I paste it into the gzdoom file?
click on the ZDL exe, it should open
then, click on where it says "General settings"
next, right here where it says "IWADs", click on the plus (I have circled it in the image)
https://imgur.com/a/kTNhLAr
errant imp
Going Down is starting to bust my balls a bit. Just finished up indigestion and mouth of madness UV max. Mouth of madness was something 😳
finite crag
next, right here where it says "IWADs", click on the plus (I have circled it in ...
then, another box should pop up that says "Add IWAD". click the three little dots that I've circled, and it should pull up a file browser. Find wherever you have Doom 1 or 2 installed (in your case, I'm guessing where you've installed GZDoom), click on doom.wad. then click on where it says Open
https://imgur.com/a/RVz8SYJ
https://imgur.com/a/qqvLDTk
Next, add your Source Port. It's on the other side of the IWAD thing, and it is essentially just the same as the process of adding the wad, except you select gzdoom.exe, and click open.
dapper flint
That zdl launcher looks a hell of qlot different than mine
Might just be because the window is gigantic
opal blade
It's because he's using fullscreen lol
finite crag
Next, add your Source Port. It's on the other side of the IWAD thing, and it is ...
Finally, click on where it says Launch Config. Under the External Files category, there will be a button that you can press to add a wad/pk3/pk7. add the brutal21.pk3, and click open. Select the IWAD and click Launch.
finite crag
Might just be because the window is gigantic
also yeah, I have it maximized
mortal drum
Why won’t doors open for me ???
slim willow
sullen spruce
Console ports resolution fix when?
slim willow
When Nintendo releases new games on PC
finite crag
Finally, click on where it says Launch Config. Under the External Files category...
Thank you so much for all of your help! Everything went splendidly but once again, when I launched it, it ignored the mod once more and just sent me straight to ultimate doom.
pearl osprey
Thank you so much for all of your help! Everything went splendidly but once aga...
does the name of the brutal doom file end with .rar or .pk3?
finite crag
.rar
finite crag
How so?
pearl osprey
do you have winrar or 7zip installed? if not download winrar
finite crag
What will that do?
pearl osprey
after that you right click and it shows and option to extract*
doom mods and other large files are usually contained in "archive" files
it's like a folder but in file format
finite crag
Okay I downloaded winrar
pearl osprey
great now just install it
and then right click the brutal doom file
and one of the options should be "extract files here"
with a little winrar icon
finite crag
It’s making me buy it
pearl osprey
ignore the popup
pearl osprey
I have a brutal doom pk3 now
Great now just drag and drop this onto GZDoom
or open it with gzdoom by double clicking
finite crag
Should it have the winrar symbol on it?
finite crag
Here can we take this to DMs
pearl osprey
sure
finite crag
So I can show you pictures
@pearl osprey @finite crag thank you both so much for all of your help, it really means a lot to me.
finite crag
your welcome
Hey im on e1m8 on doom 2 where the pinkies are but i cant access the door to the bfg
dapper flint
Console ports resolution fix when?
Unity is ded
dapper flint
It's because he's using fullscreen lol
Yes that tends to make it gigantic
eternal lance
Hey im on e1m8 on doom 2 where the pinkies are but i cant access the door to the...
in doom 2 ?
just say map08
wraith lichen
sand crescent
Hello, i'm not playing doom, i'm watch how a dad playing a doom 3, from which part i should begin? (Sorry for my english, i'm Ukrainian)
pearl osprey
In my opinion start with Doom 1 (The Ultimate Doom)
finite crag
Any idea how to disable color hud in crispy doom?
pearl osprey
Any idea how to disable color hud in crispy doom?
Maybe + and - keys
eager agate
In my opinion start with Doom 1 (The Ultimate Doom)
Episode 4 might be too much for someone who hasn't played DOOM 1 and 2
past field
he'll get to episode 4 when he's done with the rest
I think UDoom is a great option to start. thats how I was introduced to doom
royal heron
Ultimate doom, yeah that's the first you should play
Maybe bump it down to HMP when you get to E4 if you're starting out
past field
and if you ever get to doom 3, try playing with the lights off. I've never tried it, but I know damn well it gets you immersed into the game, and ups the creepiness factor from 50 to 1,000
you can also try this with doom 64 and doom PSX
finite crag
Doom 2016 isn’t a bad place to start if they wanted to skip the classics
eager agate
Best classic DOOM episode? (This includes 1, 2, 64, and all of 2's official expansions.) I would have to say DOOM 1 E3 still beats them all with Hell on Earth right behind it, Sandy Peterson knocked it out with E3's maps, and I only dislike that one teleporter level
tacit remnant
I keep hearing people singing the praises of Plutonia
dapper flint
Final doom but just because of plutonia
tacit remnant
I’m currently still in TNT
eager agate
Plutonia is pretty great, that first level is one of the best first levels I've ever played, it's on E1M1 levels
finite crag
Final doom but just because of TNT
tacit remnant
I actually didn’t like Doom 1’s first episode very much, mostly because of how claustrophobic it is
eager agate
I actually didn’t like Doom 1’s first episode very much, mostly because of how c...
Makes sense
I love E1 more than 2, but I like E3 more than both
Mt Erebus is my favorite DOOM level of all time, and E3M1 is the best first level out of DOOM's four episodes
*Not counting SIGIL because it's first level is a masterpiece
tacit remnant
Also I actually kinda liked the city levels in Hell on Earth so my taste in Doom content is weird
eager agate
Also I actually kinda liked the city levels in Hell on Earth so my taste in Doom...
Same, those were my favorite levels in DOOM 2
tacit remnant
I often like the more sandboxy levels where figuring out where to go is part of the challenge
eager agate
Why I love Mt Erebus so much, the openness and length of the level is great
Hell, if it wasn't for Mt Erebus there would be no city levels, Mt Erebus was a small scale version of those imo
royal heron
I often like the more sandboxy levels where figuring out where to go is part of ...
Quite an unpopular opinion, liking the city levels
Nearly everyone agrees that they're shit
eager agate
Except downtown. Downtown can go fuck itself
I love Downtown
errant imp
If I played it enough to memorize the layout I'd probably tolerate it and maybe end up liking it
But I have no intention of doing so. Maybe when I do my doom 2 UV max playthrough
royal heron
the city maps are just a slog to play
errant imp
Probably because we've been telling each other that they're shit for the past 28 years
They're not ALL bad
tacit remnant
Honestly I felt a bit tired of tech bases by that point so the change of aesthetic probably helped
Actually I am still tired of tech bases
eager agate
I love the city maps, going to the different buildings and the openness of the levels
slim willow
I think the city maps get too much hate. They're not great, but they're not terrible either.
eager agate
I agree that they get too much hate, but I personally think they're amazing levels
royal heron
The city levels are just... eh
If it wasn't sandy peterson literally making most of doom2's maps then stuff would've turned out better
Hell, I enjoyed Tom Hall's map that was added in after he left
No idea why he was let off, it was pretty good
azure nimbus
Mt Erebus is my favorite DOOM level of all time, and E3M1 is the best first leve...
what's good about e3m1? it's... pistol in a tunnel vs pinkies?
royal heron
There's a shellbox
wind mauve
Everyone here has peyronies!
royal heron
E3M1 I probably have to agree being the best first level
Though it's hard to top E1M1
azure nimbus
ik there's a shell box
royal heron
You can just make stuff infight instead of wasting shells
azure nimbus
it looks cool ig. but e2m1 and e4m1 actually play ok. e1m1 is a tutorial so whatever. e3m1 has nothing cool in terms of gameplay. it looks cool, but as a level...
royal heron
E4M1 i think is a good level just slightly held back due to the health cap
I think it was a Tom Hall level
azure nimbus
American Mcgee
royal heron
I have to say tho, American McGee makes some of the best levels imo
azure nimbus
Catacombs. I have mixed feelings. Hard to say. Leaning towards it being a better level
did he do map14? The one with 0 secrets
royal heron
It's kinda hard to describe what his maps are like
They have at least 1 unique thing about them
azure nimbus
it is him. They're usually tight, combat heavy
royal heron
Like the crusher, with the intro of the megasphere and the obvious crusher
azure nimbus
oh that's him? The Crusher is good
errant imp
Hell, I enjoyed Tom Hall's map that was added in after he left
I'm pretty sure he was the one that was whining about their current style of games and wanted to go back to making games like Commander Keen
dapper flint
Map 29 is probably the best doom 2 map in my opinion. Really is a blast
slim willow
cosmic pagoda
its nice
I like the plutonia one inspired by that more
the one with the cyberdemon at a distance
slim willow
Map 29 is probably the best doom 2 map in my opinion. Really is a blast
Plutonia Impossible Mission is way better
dapper flint
Plutonia Impossible Mission is way better
Definitely especially with uv plus
lethal moat
i just played trough doom 2 with it only showing doom 1 textures
yeah half of the game was just the void glitch effect :D
versed wren
e2m1 is Tom Hall
Well, I actually liked E2M1 so props to Tom Hall.
dapper flint
Nah, you gotta put it on Nightmare. Really brings the challenge out.
I'd bet it's dirt easy on nightmare compared to uv plus
azure nimbus
NM with coop monsters or newb
dusky venture
impossible mission solo-net >_>
dapper flint
Yee not a fun time
tulip garnet
Favourite classic doom weapon?
slim willow
super shotgun
eager agate
Favourite classic doom weapon?
Super shotgun with the chaingun behind it
halcyon willow
Mine is the rocket launcher
dapper flint
Plasma
opal blade
Rocket Launcher
dreamy mantle
BFG
tulip garnet
Plasma rifle and ssg
finite crag
Chaingun!
cobalt needle
SSG
tacit remnant
SSG. Rocket launcher is 2nd place
prime glacier
Favourite classic doom weapon?
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delicate raptor
Which is better graphics wise, Zdoom or doomsday?
pearl osprey
Doomsday has the most graphics features, but GZDoom's engine is so much better in every other way and with some mods can look really good
prime glacier
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past field
Which is better graphics wise, Zdoom or doomsday?
I’ll take Zdoom any day
As long as it gets me away from the blurred sprites, Im okay
dull snow
You know you can set the texture filtering off on gzdoom right
pearl osprey
^
cobalt needle
and Chaingunners
tulip garnet
and Archviles
floral pagoda
Are there archviles in classic doom? I finished a play through and can’t find them
cobalt needle
In Doom 2
floral pagoda
Oh, thanks!
unborn fiber
Are there archviles in classic doom? I finished a play through and can’t find th...
from doom 2 they will come in 1993 doom they aint there even them skulls
finite crag
Are there archviles in classic doom? I finished a play through and can’t find th...
No
prime glacier
Are there archviles in classic doom? I finished a play through and can’t find th...
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narrow mauve
I commited tax fraud and now doom slayer is after me
past field
You know you can set the texture filtering off on gzdoom right
Yeah
Im talking about doomsday
finite crag
I believe you can still turn off texture filtering in Doomsday
not sure though, as I've never gotten it to work on my laptop
eternal lance
Which is better graphics wise, Zdoom or doomsday?
who cares about graphics in doom
doomsday is ugly,the 3d models suck
pearl osprey
You can disable texture filtering and 3d models aren't on by default in doomsday
If you're looking mainly for good visuals doomsday is the best looking source port
vivid vine
I only know of Low and High for settings
pearl osprey
The amount of customization doomsday (and pretty much every other source port) offer is insane
vivid vine
Crispy Doom is Crispy
pearl osprey
Duh
vivid vine
Thusly the services of anything else will not be required
eternal lance
crunchy doom when
spice radish
crunchy doom when
chewy doom when
finite crag
Spicy Doom
dapper flint
Are there archviles in classic doom? I finished a play through and can’t find th...
Classic doom invented 90 percent of all the demons in New doom
tacit remnant
Doom 2 added most of classic Doom’s weirder enemies
leaden snow
where can i get doom`s source code?
pearl osprey
You can fins it on Github
pearl osprey
Although if you want to compile it on newer systems you probably want to use chocolate dooms source instead
Its practically the same thing but for modern PC
leaden snow
ok
finite crag
https://github.com/chocolate-doom/chocolate-doom a heem heem whimper
leaden snow
thsnks
pearl osprey
Messing around with the doom code is pretty fun
leaden snow
but wait, do i download the pre-compiled chocolate doom or the source code?
forget i downloaded both
pearl osprey
Source code if you want to compile it yourself or edit the code
leaden snow
Yea, that`s what i expected
pearl osprey
Pre compiled means its ready to be ran
leaden snow
Yes, i know, thanks brother
pearl osprey
No problem
halcyon willow
like doom2 wad, if its possible
It is possible but why would you want to decompile doom2.wad
pearl osprey
how can i do it?
Use slade3
leaden snow
ok
pearl osprey
It's a program that can edit doom wad files and even create doom maps
azure nimbus
prime glacier
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hidden barn
LET HIM GO
cobalt rapids
royal heron
sup
finite rapids
i figured out the secrets in this game
- see something in a window.
- go somewhere nowhere near there and flip a switch
- go into the new room and press the wall until it opens
your welcome
azure nimbus
if I can't find a secret and there's no wiki entry or videos, how can I find it? 1. normal proceedures: wall humping, looking at areas that look suspicious for whatever reason, checking map, etc. but after normal means, is there anything with cheats that could help?
I used idclip and yeah...
halcyon willow
if I can't find a secret and there's no wiki entry or videos, how can I find it...
IDBEHOLDA will give you a computer area map
azure nimbus
that and IDDT don't show everything though right?
finite crag
IDDT shows everything
if you type IDDT again, it'll even show you all the entities in the map if I'm not mistaken
azure nimbus
secrets aren't an entity. here, I found the secret with idclip but idk how to get it. On Glaive map03. maybe I can view triggers? Got it ||shootable switch out the window||
pearl osprey
Unfortunately IDDT shows you where the secret is but not how to get it
finite crag
i figured out the secrets in this game
1. see something in a window.
2. go somew...
idk how long you've been playing, but ultimate doom has some ridiculous secrets
run over this linedef and then run back to one of the 50 windows that you think you heard open, see it close, run over the linedef, repeat, finally make it into the window, get one armor bonus
azure nimbus
e4m3 has some extra hard secrets that are not possible to grab while finishing the map. e4m7 has two secrets which require a cyberdemon rocket to perfectly smack you and then using save/loads to manipulate your hight
royal heron
yeah
e4m3 's broken secrets are impossible to get
ZM did get one of them using a specific void glide but the other can't be accessed, and even it if was then there's no way to get back into the map
and there is the intercepts overflow but saving and reloading to fix the overload doesn't work in a demo
finite crag
Qui est français
bleak grail
Fun fact: Doom Classic is set in 2021 - 2022
So that could mean that the demons are covid and the vaccine is doomguy
noble forum
eviternity is the best DOOM game along with eternal
slim willow
Eviternity is a masterpiece, yeah
fast mortar
Only thing i dislike about eviternity is the lag in some levels, and that aint even its fault
noble forum
use glboom
copper mango
Which Difficulty would you guys say is the best way to replay Doom?
I know Doom has some very Stupid Balancing and it gets Tiring after awhile so I'm looking for what people think is the most fun'
eternal lance
Which Difficulty would you guys say is the best way to replay Doom?
Hurt Me Plenty is my pick for that
copper mango
Hurt Me Plenty is my pick for that
I can see that
The Difficulty Spike really shows from that, plus the game can be Downright Cruel, so thats a solid choice
mystic hazel
Hurt Me Plenty is my pick for that
^ Was gonna say the same. I've replayed the whole game through (without achivement hunting) in Hurt me plenty
copper mango
Well I will say, I play GZ Doom and I wanted to ask if it changes much when it comes to Difficulty?
since it basically allows for revamps of the controls
noble forum
GZDoom may as well not even be doom lol
copper mango
Maybe thats a Good thing lol
Well Tbh, you can Tune GZ Doom to play just like Normal Doom
imo its always been "Doom but with Better player Customization.", I mean Doom is an Old game not everything imo at least stands by itself so its nice to have things like this
pearl osprey
I think GZDoom overall makes it a bit easier
Or a lot easier depending on your settings
copper mango
I mean, is that a bad thing? Lets take into Account the Style of Control Doom has in the Original
its more of a Hinderance than a help anyways, at least to me
vivid vine
What
copper mango
I mean, The Old Style of Control when it comes to Doom, last time i played on steam, it felt very stiff
vivid vine
There's nothing wrong with the controls
finite crag
I think GZDoom overall makes it a bit easier
gzdoom makes me want throw up
i just can't, i play dsda-doom
finite crag
Whats wrong? scared of Vertical Angles?
please put a spoiler.... ||...||
eternal lance
gzdoom makes me want throw up
you can turn off antialiasing and freelook (+ jumping,croutching and so on)
but if you preffer dsda,good for you
eternal lance
the texture filtering is the only real problm
at least we can turn it off
pearl osprey
Ah yes, another pointless source ports discussion
Each source port has a specific purpose and a specific audience, arguing which is the best is useless
pearl osprey
Server allergic to gzdoom I guess
dull snow
what is the Audience for GZ?
People who would like to experience 3d architecture and more atmospheric lighting
pearl osprey
what is the Audience for GZ?
- Modders, people who want to mod doom to the point where its different from the base game
- New players, people who have never played doom and like some of the modern features gzdoom offers (jumping,crouching,freelook, etc)
copper mango
I personally like GZ doom, I think its just a really great way to play it
pearl osprey
Any reason is valid
eternal lance
1) Modders, people who want to mod doom to the point where its different from th...
i don't really see the point of croutching
never seen a map use it
copper mango
i don't really see the point of croutching
I don't either
pearl osprey
I've never seen a map use it either but who knows
copper mango
besides that, Jumping, Vertical Look, Easy Modding
I like those things, well
Jumping isn't THAT helpful
dull snow
never seen a map use it
I have :)
eternal lance
decorate,zscript and udmf 
👍🏽
dull snow
Tldr find what works best for you and ignore the haters tbh
eternal lance
Jumping isn't THAT helpful
it quite helps getting some secrets (sometimes making them way to easy)
copper mango
it quite helps getting some secrets (sometimes making them way to easy)
true
may as well unbind it then
I just use GZ for basic Doom style of gameplay but with Vertical Looking
pearl osprey
I only ever use GZDoom to take screenshots of my maps tbh lol
past field
I only use GZDoom for it’s mods
royal heron
I've never seen a map use it either but who knows
Ao oni mod uses crouching lol but other than that I don't see any map use it
royal heron
Jumping isn't THAT helpful
Barely any level verticality would like to talk to you
GZDoom is perfect for its use but I prefer dsda because I'm a purist 
I play mods from time to time though
Good way to make things different from the speedrunning and reviewing maps life
royal heron
Not perfectly, no there will be some minor differences since it's based off ZDoom
bleak grail
@eternal lance didnt I see u in the halo server?
royal heron
I can feel them since I've well versed enough in vanilla doom
But most new people might not
eternal lance
<@!826542669420429312> didnt I see u in the halo server?
maybe you did
maybe you didn't
royal heron
It's not Graf's fault though
Taking an already heavily modified source code then modifying it heavily again is bound to make compatibility issues
Graf is very strict on not breaking compat
bleak grail
maybe you did
maybe you didn't
dapper flint
Doom 93s bdays coming up ! Thinking of a way to spice it up for a record run of 1 health maybe of a couple maps
eternal lance
Doom 93s bdays coming up ! Thinking of a way to spice it up for a record run of ...
1-hit run sounds interesting and potentially frustrating
azure nimbus
for sr50 on controller, should I be aiming my main movement stick 45 degrees or straight forward? I have strafe on and my look stick pointed to the side
royal heron
1-hit run sounds interesting and potentially frustrating
It's also called reality
Can't get hit once
royal heron
what would you guys say is the best way to play Doom?
Play it the way u want to play it
Vanilla or modded, doesn't matter
As long as you have fun
past field
Can't I get the Authentic Doom Experience from GZ Doom?
RNG is still kinda messed up
fast mortar
Based
dapper flint
1-hit run sounds interesting and potentially frustrating
The damage floors is what worries me honestly
fast mortar
Texture filtering in doom is hurting me plenty in the eyes
Cant believe i once had it on
noble forum
Can't I get the Authentic Doom Experience from GZ Doom?
no
noble forum
what would you guys say is the best way to play Doom?
Prboom+ for high resolution on modern systems while staying faithful to classic doom, Chocolate Doom for a 100% faithful DOS Doom experience, and GZDoom for wacky mods and stuff
pearl osprey
I've tried Steam, and GZ
DSDA-DOOM is my favorite, it still has vanilla compatibility while also having many modern features and mapping formats
copper mango
Well personally, I have GZ doom for a few reasons
A HUD Mod to make the empty spaces with the Zoomed out HUD look better, and Smooth Doom
Speaking of, is there a mod for JUST Smooth Dooms Weapons?
noble forum
DSDA-DOOM is my favorite, it still has vanilla compatibility while also having m...
unless you're speedrunning or recording demos, it's functionally identical to Prboom+
eager agate
I prefer GZDOOM personally
vivid vine
Crispy Doom for best
pearl osprey
unless you're speedrunning or recording demos, it's functionally identical to Pr...
DSDA-DOOM is supposed to be Prboom+'s successor so you probably want to switch to it at some point
Also MBF21
noble forum
Crispy Doom for best
crispy doom is just chocolate with a higher resolution
vivid vine
It has more than that
pearl osprey
I never use chocolate because it doesn't have autorun
Crispy IMO is the best for purists
vivid vine
Blood colors, HUD colors, options for things like enemies having their death sprites mirrored for variety, a projected crosshair that acts like a laser pointer and can be made to show what the auto aim is locking onto, the option to do mouse look but limited to only the way Heretic allowed you to look up and down
vivid vine
I never use chocolate because it doesn't have autorun
Auto run should be in the setup somewhere with novert
The thing I like most about Crispy is all of that except for options that are treated like cheats anyway are purely visual and do absolutely nothing to change vanilla gameplay or demo
Though it does also have a 60fps/uncapped option
finite crag
I never use chocolate because it doesn't have autorun
Chocolate has autorun
there is an option to turn it on if I'm not mistaken
finite crag
what is the Audience for GZ?
beginners
pearl osprey
Chocolate has autorun
there is an option to turn it on if I'm not mistaken
Oh great never knew that
finite crag
gzdoom is great and i use it for mods, i prefer a balance between vanilla and convenient
playing on doom in original controls makes me shiver
finite crag
Crispy IMO is the best for purists
^^^
dsda doom fork though, it has cool features, and crispy sometimes bugs out with custom maps
leaden snow
Is there a way to use command`s in dsda-doom or prboom?
finite crag
wym
finite crag
i mean, idk what you mean by commands by like -fast -record and shit like that or what
pearl osprey
But there are "command line arguments"
finite crag
Is there a way to use command`s in dsda-doom or prboom?
you can open up command prompt or windows terminal and drop the dsda-doom exe on it and use command line arguments i.e -fast
pearl osprey
If you're allergic to the terminal you can use ZDL too
finite crag
i didn't know until yesterday you can go to the file path of where u want to do commands at and just type "cmd" and it will immediately open it up
there is like 90 something .bat and .txt files in dsda doom because i didn't know that
leaden snow
i mean, idk what you mean by commands by like -fast -record and shit like that o...
commands like "give ammo"
finite crag
you'll have to use cheat codes in game
finite crag
yeah like IDFA
finite crag
there is like 90 something .bat and .txt files in dsda doom because i didn't kno...
also like 1100 e1m1 .lmp files lmao
leaden snow
Yea, but i dont like to get all keys, just wondering
leaden snow
you can open up command prompt ~~or windows terminal~~ and drop the dsda-doom ex...
is this really possible?
pearl osprey
IDFA - Full Ammo
IDKFA - Keys and Full Ammo
finite crag
if you want prboom look and console commands use zdoom
leaden snow
IDFA - Full Ammo
IDKFA - Keys and Full Ammo
oh
finite crag
imo, but i heard zdoom has some spyware type stuff in it
leaden snow
if you want prboom look and console commands use zdoom
ok
pearl osprey
imo, but i heard zdoom has some spyware type stuff in it
??????
eternal lance
imo, but i heard zdoom has some spyware type stuff in it
source ?
leaden snow
I still dont believe it
eternal lance
if that was the case we wouldn't use it
finite crag
eternal lance
bruh spyware.neocities.org/articles/gzdoom.html
🤨
finite crag
GZDoom contains telemetry that it reports back to the developers containing general information about your Operating System, CPU Cores, and OpenGL compatibility.[1]. GZDoom's developers do not seem to be very good at handling privacy concerns (After all, if this was privacy-concious, it would be opt-in...) and so if you decide to use this program, you should make sure to compile it with the telemetry disabled, and you should make sure that this is the only spyware in the program- there may be more spyware implemented in the future.
ok so its spyware but only if you're a schizophrenic
pearl osprey
Telemetry and spyware aren't exactly the same thing
eternal lance
`GZDoom contains telemetry that it reports back to the developers containing gen...
🤨
finite crag
🤨
GZDoom contains telemetry that it reports back to the developers containing general information about your Operating System, CPU Cores, and OpenGL compatibility.[1]. GZDoom's developers do not seem to be very good at handling privacy concerns (After all, if this was privacy-concious, it would be opt-in...) and so if you decide to use this program, you should make sure to compile it with the telemetry disabled, and you should make sure that this is the only spyware in the program- there may be more spyware implemented in the future.
eternal lance
`GZDoom contains telemetry that it reports back to the developers containing gen...
why did you post it again
leaden snow
Couldn`t they show it instead of just saying that it exists?
eternal lance
if gzdoom was spyware,nobody would talk about it,nobody would mod for it
pearl osprey
GZdoom indeed does have "spyware"
Called GZStats
Although it cant really be used in a malicious way
eternal lance
Called GZStats
from the name alone i can say it only lists your level stats
pearl osprey
And it can be turned off
eternal lance
And it can be turned off
if so,how
finite crag
read the article i have sent twice.
if you decide to use this program, you should make sure to compile it with the telemetry disabled
pearl osprey
" TerminusEst13 wrote:
Can I turn it off?
As much as disabling this would defeat the point of such data collection, I did some poking around - it can be effectively disabled by changing one value in the INI file:
[GlobalSettings]
sys_statshost=gzstats.drdteam.org
Just blank that setting (i.e. set it to sys_statshost= with nothing after it) and it won't do anything. Though, as mentioned, not only does this massively defeat the point of such data, there's barely any collected in the first place.
"
eternal lance
more info https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=59787
oh,so it's just to check on what hardware it can run and how well
pearl osprey
Yep it's known as telemetry
finite crag
yes. but it still collects data that you do not know it is collecting
pearl osprey
usually it's harmless
pearl osprey
yes. but it still collects data that you do not know it is collecting
but yeah they should have a warning or something
halcyon willow
yes. but it still collects data that you do not know it is collecting
It's disclosed in the patch notes
Stop pretending it's some sort of conspiracy
halcyon willow
Yes
pearl osprey
I personally don't mind telemetry and have it enabled on Ubuntu
but not everyone wants to share that data
leaden snow
I dont
halcyon willow
The data sharing is all opt in
finite crag
Stop pretending it's some sort of conspiracy
i will when it asks for permission, we've already disclosed it isn't a big deal, and that i do not care. just making conversation, and pointing out to anyone who is schizo about their data that it is collecting such things. and that if they do not ask permission for this, it could grow into another problem
halcyon willow
For gzdoom at least, zdoom isn't developed anymore
The hardware survey code is specially mentioned in each patch
Last build that had it enabled was 4.2.0 looks like
"We would like to ask as many users as possible to participate"
Ah no it was reimplemented in 4.7.0
But not 4.7.1
finite crag
Last build that had it enabled was 4.2.0 looks like
||HA 420 funny number go brrrrrrrrr||
halcyon willow
Notice: The survey is currently OPEN. GZDoom 4.7.0 contains survey code. You may OPT IN or OPT OUT when starting this software.
huh. sounds a bit like asking for permission
pearl osprey
Hmmm I don't remember clicking a button that says "I give permission to send my data"
is it off or on by default?
if it's off it's totally fine
halcyon willow
Legally it'd have to be off. There's also only been 2 versions in the last 3 years that have had it so good chance you missed it
I always wait a few patches before getting the latest gzdoom so there's fewer bugs
pearl osprey
Graf's a good dude I am pretty sure if someone just make an issue on the github he will make it more clear
Maybe I will make one later
halcyon willow
Yeah if you raised it in the zdoom discord or via a pull request I'm sure things will be explained clearer
But it all looks fine from my cursory investigation
frigid fossil
Yo
How do I kill Pinkies
In the anomaly stage
Of the first episode
Wait, I made a mistake.
Not pinkies, the barons of hell
The big ones that walk on two feet
pearl osprey
Shoot them until they die
tacit remnant
Every demon in classic Doom can be killed with any weapon if you shoot it enough times
The barons have 1000HP each so killing them takes a while
Basically just dodge their fireballs, don’t get in melee range, and shoot them a bunch and you’ll eventually win
If you’re playing on UV you can also get them to infight with the specters
pulsar jackal
halcyon willow
Not pinkies, the barons of hell
They take 5 rockets each (most of the time)
slim willow
Plasma is amazing
royal heron
Is there a way to use command`s in dsda-doom or prboom?
commands like -fast or -nomonsters, yes
commands like changemap map(number), no. DSDA-Doom's console is still quite primitive but kraf said he's gonna develop the console further to support commands like that
so far, the most useful commands in the console for regular players is player.sethealth XXX(Where X is the amount of health you want) and player.setarmor XXX(This time, X is for armor)
azure nimbus
changemap isn't needed as a command when it's a normal cheat with idclev##
halcyon willow
changemap isn't needed as a command when it's a normal cheat with idclev##
Change map doesn't reset inventory
And works in multi-player games
frigid fossil
They take 5 rockets each (most of the time)
I'm on hurt me plenty, I think they take more
halcyon willow
Monster hp doesn't change based on difficulty
Or the damage dealt by the player
But there is some rng built into the damage number so they can take 6 sometimes
halcyon willow
does changemap preserve powerups like berserk
Change map essentially works like hitting the exit switch (so no, berserk clears)
frigid fossil
But there is some rng built into the damage number so they can take 6 sometimes
They take 6
And yo I never realised
How dizzy this game makes me
Eternal doesn't do that, nor any other game
This is the only game in the world
That makes me so dizzy
I think its something with the way doomguy moves
You know, the whole screen moves back and forth
Yeah it's the headbobbing
So annoying
royal heron
Yeah Goldfire also has a problem with that
frigid fossil
Yeah Goldfire also has a problem with that
Huh
azure nimbus
what's a good intro to ribikks?
dapper flint
what's a good intro to ribikks?
Stargate 20x6 and crumpets
modern quest
how do i find more music in the style of classic doom?
that old chiptune/midi or whatever sounding guitar
itd be especially helpful for when I'm trying to find music for a map. Ive tried typing in midi but it just gives me piano stuff
😋
dapper flint
how do i find more music in the style of classic doom?
Doom kid has some good stuff. It's easy to find if you just look up doom midis
modern quest
like i got rise of the triad's soundtrack
modern quest
Doom kid has some good stuff. It's easy to find if you just look up doom midis
ill check him out
halcyon willow
itd be especially helpful for when I'm trying to find music for a map. Ive tried...
jimmy
good place to start
boom, 700 midis of the highest quality
https://www.jamespaddockmusic.com/midis/
dapper flint
Hell yeah
slim willow
Seeing "Jimmy" or "James Paddock" on any wad's tracklist is basically a seal of quality tbh.
halcyon willow
there are other people as talented (tristan, ad_79, stewboy, psyrus etc) but jimmy has by far the biggest catalogue so it's a good place to start
finite crag
pls someone give me fun wads
im looking for something like nochance on im too young to die
slaughter but not hard yk
pearl osprey
Micro slaughter community project
finite crag
played it 😦
pearl osprey
E1M3 Nightmare! 100% Secrets
royal heron
in school with a trackpad too
uploading demo to #speedrunning and gonna processa video soon
finite crag
E1M3 Nightmare! 100% Secrets
my God
idek all the routes for uv max
or even all the secrets
eternal lance
in school with a trackpad too
respect
prime glacier
E1M3 Nightmare! 100% Secrets
One message removed from a suspended account.
quaint socket
Mobile doom
azure nimbus
what speed would result from forward + strafe on + turn right + run? Finally got the e1m4 jump with whatever variation of strafing I"m doing
royal heron
That's SR50, but I'm not sure how you'd calculate the speed of that
Maybe you could take time to reach the platform and divide it by map pixels?
azure nimbus
if forward + strafe on + turn right + run is sr50, then why bother with forward + right + strafe on + turn + run
grim pollen
Bring up the doom wiki but SR50 is like 23.5~ units/tic vs 21.X from SR40
azure nimbus
Bring up the doom wiki but SR50 is like 23.5~ units/tic vs 21.X from SR40
were you in AGDQ?
grim pollen
yes
azure nimbus
was watching those yesterday. Why I'm playing with it now
royal heron
if forward + strafe on + turn right + run is sr50, then why bother with forward ...
Oh shit I read it wrong
quaint socket
I forgot which level it is but the level in Ultimate Doom where you first encounter the two barons, it looks like an anime star with a face last time I saw it
grim pollen
O.o Thats excellent! glgl on your speedrun journey
royal heron
I didn't see that there was no strafe right/left
azure nimbus
basically normal sr50 input but no regular right input yeha
royal heron
I forgot which level it is but the level in Ultimate Doom where you first encoun...
E1M8
quaint socket
Ah okay
azure nimbus
My speedrunning will be going slightly faster down hallways EZ
royal heron
Do you run in a straight line when doing those inputs?
quaint socket
Ultimate and Doom 2 look so fun to mod unfortunately I can’t do mods with console
azure nimbus
as best as I can to keep the left analog stick straight yeah
grim pollen
Thats a good strategy to have in your backpocket. Protip #432: Go down hallways faster
royal heron
It's hard to do SR50 with trackpad unfortunately so I don't use it much but when I have a mouse I use it quite often
If you're going to ask, I play on a laptop and I don't have access to an actual mouse most of the time
azure nimbus
this is an xbox1 controller
I have normal movement on left stick, look on right stick and strafe-on mapped to a trigger
loud geyser
hi
guys im playing doom ultimate and i had added some mods : smoothdoom 2 bright maps 3 lights 4 doom cs55 flac
but i dont know can some one tell me the best load order for them in zdl
obsidian nest
Good evening!!
loud geyser
good evening
azure nimbus
got started with combat shock 2: despite the huge fights, it's been reasonable so far. Use that cyber as a turret
scarlet compass
uh... I just got GZDoom and idk how to get the .WAD file it's asking for
finite crag
uh... I just got GZDoom and idk how to get the .WAD file it's asking for
do you have Doom 1 or 2
halcyon willow
Place doom2.wad in the same folder as gzdoom.exe
scarlet compass
yeah I don't have any .WAD files on my computer
halcyon willow
You'll need to buy doom 2
finite crag
either that or install Freedoom
finite crag
If was trying to improve my skill
what would be a good fairly difficult map set to do
royal heron
Yesh
royal heron
what would be a good fairly difficult map set to do
Uh, if I was joking I'd say Hell Revealed 
finite crag
hardest thing I beat was plutonia
royal heron
But anyway, Scythe is a good place to start, and so is BTSX
They're like medium difficulty
If you want to start going after the really hard stuff, try Crumpets by Ribbiks
finite crag
yeah i've heard people say Scythe is like a step above plutonia but it's also a good WAD and not just shitty
finite crag
Honestly it seems like even though plutonia was decently difficult
in the grand scheme of things it's basically easy to any experienced player
or at least seems like it
royal heron
Going Down is another good recommendation but it's quite hard so not quite yet if you plan on playing everything on ultra violence
Oh right, Heartland is also amazing
Or basically any other Skillsaw WAD
They provide a nice challenge and their aesthetic is amazing
finite crag
my method of playing is usually just to run though wads of the same difficulty one at a time until I feel better
royal heron
Scythe's difficulty really peaks at around E3, btw
finite crag
although recently I was trying to complete entire WADs without saving a single time and I feel like it made me a lot better
royal heron
E1 of Scythe is quite simple
finite crag
I will check it out
finite crag
how hard is plutonia 2
royal heron
Hm, I'm not sure how to describe it but it's higher than Scythe 1 I'd say most probably
I havwn't played much recently because I was focused on speedrunning or school stuff
finite crag
im about to get really into classic doom
I just got accepted into 2 colleges so now I don't have to worry about much
royal heron
Nice
So I think the first wads to play probably should be BTSX1 or Scythe
Maybe after that if you want a greater challenge then try Crumpets
If I were to describe it, it's Scythe style mini maps with toned down Sunlust difficulty
finite crag
I have no idea how hard these WADs are so
Only way is to find out
I saw some list where people ranked the difficulty of WADs from 1-5 i imagine it's a lot more complicated than that though
great I just spent 2 hours exporting a video of me playing and it somehow made the audio unsynced
halcyon willow
what would be a good fairly difficult map set to do
Speed of doom is a good gateway to harder content
And also just one of the best wads made
copper mango
Alright I'd like to hear some thoughts on this
What are your guys Opinions of the Classic Doom games? I've played a fair bit of them but I wanna know if people think they are good games or not
slim willow
Definitely good games. Very simple and easy to "get." Get the keys, kill the demons, reach the exit. Simple, but it works. And if you know what you're doing, there's years worth of challenging content made by the fans, for the fans. Literally cannot go wrong.
copper mango
Definitely good games. Very simple and easy to "get." Get the keys, kill the dem...
Well IMO while the gameplay is great
many of the levels... aren't
slim willow
No I agree. Especially Doom 2 and TNT: Evilution.
copper mango
Some have that "Special Touch"
you know the ones, make an area with an item, Ambush the player
slim willow
I like that tho
copper mango
or even better, make a very small Area with TONS of Demons
gusty falcon
Yeah gameplay is great and while i tend to use lots of mods i always end up comming back to something close to base
copper mango
I will say this about Doom 1, it gets worse the longer you play imo
slim willow
or even better, make a very small Area with TONS of Demons
I like that too ;_;
copper mango
Like, it introduces great weapons and demons
but the levels become very much more boring or just bad
Like, a Level shaped like a Hand? and its a maze? really?
slim willow
E3M2 takes like 15 seconds if you know where to go, lol.
copper mango
its not that I hate these games don't get me wrong
slim willow
The og 90s console ports cut it out, lmao
gusty falcon
Slough of dispair is such an ammo drain especially on uv
copper mango
but imo these are the type of games that are better enjoyed in short bursts, you try to complete doom in a few long sittings your gonna start getting tired, bored and restless
slim willow
I dunno about you, but I can sit and play through Doom 2 in like 1 sitting.
gusty falcon
Megawads... Nope can't play them in one sitting
copper mango
The game has many of these Sections where it just feels like the devs are throwing everything and a Kitchen Sink and you just gotta sit there and keep holding fire, I remember that one area that was just a Room Full of Cacos
slim willow
Doom 1 too. It goes by quick when you know your way around. The game is very replayable. I think your thoughts are valid, I just like these games too much, lol.
copper mango
Well I'll just say, Knee Deep in the Dead is the best part of Doom 1, after that it slowly degrades
scarlet compass
Oh no
gusty falcon
Knee deep is abit too easy for me unless I'm using maps of chaos
copper mango
it's the blue fire stuff
OH Fire Blue
slim willow
FIREBLU
scarlet compass
It burns my eyes
slim willow
fire blue is so ugly it reverses and i like it
gusty falcon
I still think the 8 baron gauntlet is the best ending to a base game episode I've played
It's like this feels like a boss fight this feels like a climax
scarlet compass
frick i think im stuck
gusty falcon
I miss wish maps of chaos made the other episodes feel as epic
All the other episodes end with just Killing one enemy like they usually do
copper mango
You know
sometimes when I'm just playing Classic Doom it really feels like I'm just pressing Directional keys and Holding a fire button
gusty falcon
Yeah once you know the levels you end up going through them in a pattern
Especially the doom 1 levels
slim willow
Play megawads.
scarlet compass
Just finished Gate to Limbo
ooh spider mastermind
oh no what will i do
Whips out BFG
scarlet compass
Now I gotta do frickin thy flesh consumed
finite crag
It's not hard whatsoever for it's place in the game it's just a really bad map
honestly the third episode should have been as hard as thy flesh consumed
the second and third episode feel about the same difficulty although episode 3 is slightly harder
finite crag
that's not even bad
On perfect hatred there's 4 of them in one room with a ledge
at least on Ultra-Violence
scarlet compass
Frick I forgot how to telefrag the cyberdemon
finite crag
when you get up to the part with the cyberdemon
a teleporter will open behind you on the platform
you have to walk all the way up the stairs first though
avoiding the rockets is really the only thing you need to worry about
finite crag
E4M6 cyberdemon is way worse
I always get the invulnerability on that map but it's still a really shitty place to put a cyberdemon
I think that it could have been designed better if there were like 4 barons there instead
that's the one level in the episode I dread
other than that E4 is my favorite episode
scarlet compass
I cant find the exit to E4M3
strong notch
🤣
azure nimbus
*Whips out BFG*
try pistol starting levels. you'll likely find the levels more enjoyable as that's how they were tested
azure nimbus
lethal moat
lol imagine if there was an enemy with a super shotgun
gusty falcon
lol imagine if there was an enemy with a super shotgun
I don't have to imagine project brutality has quad shot gun guys zombies with quad barrel shot guns 😅
azure nimbus
I really can't tell a difference between left stick up + strafe on + turn and left stick diagonal + strafe + turn in terms of speed. angle is obviously different. maybe @dapper flint knows. it is a controller thing
shrewd quartz
lol imagine if there was an enemy with a super shotgun
let's not
dapper flint
I really can't tell a difference between left stick up + strafe on + turn and le...
What's the issue here bro ?
azure nimbus
I thought that pushing stick diagonal should be faster but I don't notice a difference when I'm also doing strafe on + turn right.
As in I'm using strafe on + turn right in either case. The variable is the direction I push the left stick
azure nimbus
yeah going for sr 50. the wiki says it's 45 degrees which makes sense cuz the vector is <50,50>
dapper flint
yeah going for sr 50. the wiki says it's 45 degrees which makes sense cuz the ve...
Yeah ! It is tricky. That's why when people are like auto Sr 50 bad ! I think it's a stupid comment since you have to be in the exact angle to do it
azure nimbus
do you know about where is top speed? Where I should be angling my left stick?
dapper flint
do you know about where is top speed? Where I should be angling my left stick?
So you remember my sigil uv plus run ? Map 3 when you go for the jump secret I do a perfect Sr 50 angle if you want to take a quick look? It's the 8 minute mark. I'd say top speed is maybe 4 feet
azure nimbus
I mean the angle of the stick not how fast doomguy goes or in the direction he goes
fickle adder
how hard is plutonia 2
Plutonia 2 is evil as hell and very punishing. Stupid hard imo
royal heron
not worse than hell revealed I'm willing to bet
dapper flint
I mean the angle of the stick not how fast doomguy goes or in the direction he g...
Hold on
past field
not worse than hell revealed I'm willing to bet
is hell revealed THAT hard?
past field
I'll play hr. it shouldnt be that hard...
azure nimbus
ok so 45 degrees alright
royal heron
is hell revealed THAT hard?
It's both hard and bad
I'll give out a bit of exposition, on the 14th map, a regular shotgun is guarded by barons, imps, hell knights, and archviles
azure nimbus
Hell revealed sounds like sycthe 2 but the worst parts
royal heron
grabbing the rocket launcher triggers a trap that locks you in a room with pinkies and imps, and if you made a sound beforehand(Like shooting a weapon or punching the air) about 10 cacodemons(or more) spawn in
the entire map is riddled with revenant turrets
and they're protected by the blockmap bug
azure nimbus
how are they placed to accentuate blockmap issues?
royal heron
don't forget about the encounters where a cyberdemon teleports into a tiny cramped room, like 2 or 3 times
royal heron
how are they placed to accentuate blockmap issues?
they're placed in windows right on the edge of blockmaps I'm pretty sure which causes hitscan attacks to miss completely from certain angles
oh, and the only superweapon in the entire map(BFG) requires disgusting parkour to get
and you basically won't get it until near the end of the wap where it becomes nearly useless
azure nimbus
bfg is the only superweapon no?
monsters can be on the intersection of a blockmap and be hard to hit from multiple angles yeah
royal heron
because of you try and get it before, arachnotron turrets will snipe you down
royal heron
bfg is the only superweapon no?
monsters can be on the intersection of a block...
I'll count plasma as a superweapon too
royal heron
HR also arguably has the worst IOS fight ever
you spawn in a huge slaughter situation and the IOS shotguns 4 spawn cubes at a time
I had a horrible time trying to complete HR
as bad as it is, it's fundamental for the level of difficulty that many megawads present today
oh no I forget you get plasma rifle in map14 too
I think it's guarded by a horse of imps though that'll try to stop you from jumping onthe the small platform that it rests on
but at that point you probably have the rocket launcher so it won't matter too much
halcyon willow
HR is more grindy than hard
It's pretty fun coop but I wouldn't play it solo, or recommend it to new players
azure nimbus
what are some good maps for coop? especially with a sizeable skill gap between the two players? (and ports good for local coop...ig unity lol)
halcyon willow
what are some good maps for coop? especially with a sizeable skill gap between t...
zandronum is the easiest to set up and allows you to play the most different wads.
as for good wads, depends if you're doing survival (limited lives) or not. but something like alien vendetta or speed of doom are fun megawads to play. sunlust if you want something a bit spicier
azure nimbus
Joshy really did great with Ancient Alien's map28 (Floating Arena). It's a huge number of high tier monsters but it's a coop party with cybers. It ends up being accessible even as a sort of slaughter map.
scarlet compass
Uh... GZDoom is suddenly running like garbage
Idk what's wrong, it was working perfectly yesterday
scarlet compass
Running DOOM 1
scarlet compass
It's just running really slowly, sub-one FPS
slim willow
damn
scarlet compass
i just don't know what the problem is
scarlet compass
I got it working with the 32-bit version (I was using 64-bit before)
finite crag
am i the only one who hates playing e4 m6 in ultimate doom on nm?
dapper flint
Yes
empty kelp
doom two is the best doom
finite crag
doom two is the best doom
the final boss fight is incredibly cursed though
eternal lance
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/424540503489642506/918613337112190976/unk...
this kinda looks like something the devs of shrine would make
eager agate
the final boss fight is incredibly cursed though
It's so good though
opal blade
1st doom is kinda trash
finite crag
i said kinda
the gameplay
like you just have to point at the direction of the demon
no precise aiming
and drops are cursed
the shotgun is too op
yeah i guess doom 2 is the best
but 2016 and eternal were good
empty kelp
the final boss fight is incredibly cursed though
It doesn't take away the great, it even enhances it into a nightmare. It's the most I've played jsjsjs
finite crag
im talking about the john romero part
eternal lance
like you just have to point at the direction of the demon
isn't that basically what you have to do in every game with combat
look at the enemy
finite crag
Not only that but
the ssg is way more op than the normal shotty
stuck crest
i sawed the daemons is underrated
somber crystal
doom 28th birthday 🥳🥳🥳
stuck crest
finite crag
Happy anniversary to DOOM!
Every other game is temporary, but DOOM is Eternal 🤘🤘
azure nimbus
and drops are cursed
do you mean the drops as in clips and shotguns from zombies? that's in doom 2. The shotgun isn't op. it's rather weak and there's no ssg. aiming is identical to doom2
Certainly, doom2 has a lot more going for it mechanically (most custom maps nowadays use doom2.WAD as the IWAD ofc. But that's just because it has extra stuff.
eternal lance
regular shotgun isn't too good once you get the SSG
unless you are playing ultimate doom or if you want to save up on ammo
tacit remnant
Or the target is out of proper SSG range
empty kelp
molten iron
To the people who havent seen the Cacowards winners: https://www.doomworld.com/cacowards/2021/
finite crag
do you mean the drops as in clips and shotguns from zombies? that's in doom 2. T...
i killed the barons of hell with like 2 shots each
molten iron
To the people who havent seen the Cacowards winners: https://www.doomworld.com/c...
Fuck the Game Awards, this is the real awards Ive been waiting for
finite crag
isn't that basically what you have to do in every game with combat
look at the ...
even if they're higher or lower than you
you can't look up
eternal lance
Fuck the Game Awards, this is the real awards Ive been waiting for
based
eternal lance
you can't look up
that's because the game isn't actually 3d
if you really need looking up,just play in gzdoom
eternal lance
it didn't look good at all in duke 3d
at least the freelook looks good in gzdoom without the level stretching and stuff
finite crag
you can't look up
Not an issue. It targets enemies above you automatically.
fickle adder
Doom birtday
dapper flint
Normal shotgun isn't obsolete once you get a ssg. You'll need the shotgun to snipe occasionally which it's very good at
royal heron
i killed the barons of hell with like 2 shots each
What the fuck are you playing
Barons of hell require 6 SSG shots
And looking up and down isn't a problem at all when there's autoaim
This is just nitpicking a game that's 28 years old
pearl osprey
What the fuck are you playing
If I had to guess it was a hell knight not a braon, and it was exaggerated or it had been damaged from infighting
royal heron
If you want freelook, use GZDoom or and other port that allows freelook and stop complaining
The solution is so simple
royal heron
Nice
sonic thorn
First video game my neice ever played
Shouldve started with 3
dapper flint
Shouldve started with 3 <:MaledictPog:910317951511572480>
Betruger
finite crag
Sigil 2 confirmed.
grave flower
Every time I look at Doom's optimization I get a half chub, jesus this code is godly
slim willow
Happy birthday Doom.
red dew
Playing through Ultimate Doom again on PC in celebration of the 28th anniversary
outer pawn
happy doomday
dusky venture
Every time I look at Doom's optimization I get a half chub, jesus this code is g...
And this is where we pray to our sentient super-intelligence in mortal flesh and hyperdimensional meta-human from utopia John Carmack
Praise be.
May the C code forever be unbugged.
azure nimbus
anyone know an issue where game sounds (but not music) stops working in Eternity engine? I'm using SDL. I loaded it up while youtube was on and it's still not working
dapper flint
Time to move away from unity my friend
azure nimbus
Is that to another convo? I said I'm in eternity. with doom1, audio is fine...uhh...and now it isn't. now it is all working...oki
azure nimbus
.knowing sr50 for e3m7 was great. I got to skip some switches with jumps mm
finite crag
what was the best classic source port other than gzdoom or zandronum?
dusk dagger
DSDA, PrBoom, or Chocolate Doom
Chocolate is pretty vanilla if it's what you're looking for
finite crag
If you want freelook, use GZDoom or and other port that allows freelook and stop...
Freelook scares me
I can understand why people use it but
I stay as close to the original feeling as possible
No Crouch, No Jump, No Auto-aim, No freelook
errant imp
So a normal human being
azure nimbus
what was the best classic source port other than gzdoom or zandronum?
what type of levels are you tyring to play and in what capacity?. that determines port
past field
https://imgur.com/a/2PE3Tku
holy shit, they're good at it
finite crag
bro i hate no rest for livings in doom 2
it has [REDACTED] level desgin and its a overkill when u have only a shotgun
heres ur ping: 99999ms
finite crag
Sigil on the other hand
eternal lance
Chocolate is pretty vanilla if it's what you're looking for
crispy doom is even better
young basalt
hello
flat lintel
azure nimbus
thought on Eviternity vs Alien Vendetta or these are too incomparable?
slim willow
They're both Doom 2 wads are they not?
vivid vine
AV is Vanilla format. Not even limit removing. Which is wild.
I dont know why they need compared though
eager agate
bro i hate no rest for livings in doom 2
Your opinion is WRONG!!!!!!!
(That was a clear joke btw but I love No Rest for the Living)
finite crag
Your opinion is WRONG!!!!!!!
Bro u get a shotgun then there are 3 shotgunners infront of u fair i can kill those i press ctrl and all i hear is evrry single monster screaming
azure nimbus
Combat Shock-2 has some massive fights but they all feel reasonable so far. That really surprised me. We have 2400 monsters in map04 but it isn't unreasonable
finite crag
Nrftl sucks sigil is better
azure nimbus
sigil is more liable to giving hordes of monsters when you're unequipped. NRftL is significantly easier than Sigil
dapper flint
holy shit, they're good at it
Yeah she's talented and only 3
finite crag
I dunno im prob too bad but i have a feeling that 2 revenants 2 hell knights and 3 imps is a overkill when u dont expect it
dapper flint
Sigil uv plus 
finite crag
Also there was a part with 2 revenants and 4 goddamn hell knights
finite crag
Sigil uv plus <:justright:614077980112715787>
Im not doing that
finite crag
If i barely beaten master levels on uv the uv+ would make me pull a bfg out of my a## and demolish my setup
dapper flint
Oh definitely. It's aids for sure
finite crag
Wait doesnt it only add -fast
dapper flint
Wait doesnt it only add -fast
No. Monsters also. Extra cybers too. Took me 3 months to beat
vivid vine
Coop monsters and weapons enabled
finite crag
Dont get me started about caseli adding coop monsters
dapper flint
The weapons are basically the same
You dont get a bfg or anything where there isn't one
vivid vine
There's one at spawn in MAP01
dapper flint
No
vivid vine
Oh wait wrong wad
finite crag
Bro romero will just add a cyberdemon and call it a day
dapper flint
Bro romero will just add a cyberdemon and call it a day
E5m5 has 4 cyberspace instead of 2 for example
vivid vine
Bloodfalls adds two mancubi and an arachnotron to an empty room. Or the other way around I forget. Only time it wasnt just a boss monster thrown in
finite crag
E5m5 has 4 cyberspace instead of 2 for example
50 ppl vs 4 cyberdemons bro
dapper flint
Bloodfalls adds two mancubi and an arachnotron to an empty room. Or the other wa...
The bfg makes sense though there
I don't know how I would have done nightmare without it there
vivid vine
Makes up for the empty secret that doesnt have one anymore on UV
They didnt even replace it, it's just an empty secret room
Maybe put an archvile in there
eternal lance
https://imgur.com/a/2PE3Tku
the brightness dear god
dapper flint
the brightness dear god
Just the camera on the phone
Good job missing the point though
eternal lance
finite crag
<:doomguy_dead:242284429626703873>
This is me while playing plutonia
finite crag
Also unity is just ugly in general
The crosshair
Also its funny how youre buying a full game just for its 1 file
Bcuz dosbox is pain to use
Also fun fact e1 is a shareware
In doom 1
finite crag
I know I missed this conversation earlier but
I think Sigil is a great WAD
Good difficulty and map design
Also the music is good
royal heron
Nrftl sucks sigil is better
NRFTL is easier than SIGIL, huh?
it's not bad by any means...
and 2 revs, 2 HK's, and 3 imps? psh, just make them infight
if you think it's too hard then just turn down the difficulty and stop complaining
UV isn't the only difficulty option
dapper flint
NRFTL is easier than SIGIL, huh?
Absolutely
The difficulty from sigil comes from you being able to utilize combat in small spaces with limited ammo. No rest gives you bullets and a ton of space most of the time
royal heron
Exactly
I remember picking back up my saveless pistol start run of SIGIL
Tough shit, that's what E5M6 is
Ammo starvation is heavy
finite crag
NRFTL is easier than SIGIL, huh?
the other way around
royal heron
the other way around
there is no way SIGIL is easier than NRFTL
you're fucking capping
SIGIL starves you of ammo and has tougher encounters
I could probably do NRFTL no saves pistol start easier than SIGIL no saves pistol start
and I've done some hard shit before
SIGIL is no doubt harder than NRFTL
dapper flint
Hell yeah bro
dapper flint
E5M6's maze cyberdemon gives me flashbacks
There's 3 on uv plus
dapper flint
<:doomguy_dead:242284429626703873>
I have to admit I'm not a doom God at all. I just never gave up. And all 3 can be cheesed. I actually think you could so sigil plus if you wanted
finite crag
there is no way SIGIL is easier than NRFTL
It is my guy
slim willow
Nah, despite NRFTL having bigger fights and the Doom 2 enemies, SIGIL doesn't have a super shotty and it relies more on tight rooms and traps.
still jetty
slim willow
Ah yes, the demon drunkening orb
finite crag
can you use custom wads in the unity port?
royal heron
I have to admit I'm not a doom God at all. I just never gave up. And all 3 can ...
I highly doubt it honestly if I can't do regular E5M6
royal heron
It is my guy
nope it isn't, you're just capping
finite crag
what type of levels are you tyring to play and in what capacity?. that determin...
like, when it says boom, and there is multiple versions of boom. Like a step down from GZDoom, but not 100% vanilla like chocolate.
royal heron
like, when it says boom, and there is multiple versions of boom. Like a step dow...
I recommend DSDA-Doom , Crispy or Chocolate if you want really vanilla, Eternity Engine for a mix between Boom and ZDoom based ports, and GZDoom if you want modding capabilities
finite crag
so what about complevels, like demo recording?
royal heron
DSDA-Doom is your best bet for demo recording
it is a sourceport geared specifically for speedrunners, after all
and it improves on regular old PrBoom+ too
has heretic and hexen support
finite crag
so it would work for casual play as well? mbf support?
royal heron
yeah
it's also one of the few ports that support the new MBF21(Modder's Best Friend) complevel
akaik, only GZDoon, DSDA-Doom, and Woof! have MBF21 support as of now
finite crag
okay, thanks for the help!
royal heron
if you're on windows then if you want to go through the process you can use PBeGood4's DSDA-Launcher as well
royal heron
okay, thanks for the help!
np :)
vivid vine
Nah, despite NRFTL having bigger fights and the Doom 2 enemies, SIGIL doesn't ha...
Super shotgunning barons to shotgunning barons no super
Barons can take around 15 of those to die
royal heron
yeah
theoretically at max it can take only 10 shotgun blasts(Max damage at 100) but there is no way you'd get 10 max damage rolls in a row
vivid vine
By the way taking 15 shots to die is a terrifying thought on such a creature. In real life that happens with animals that have hide too thick for buckshot
royal heron
and if you do, you're the only person who can beat doom II map30 as a pacifist
vivid vine
theoretically at max it can take only 10 shotgun blasts(Max damage at 100) but t...
When I read 'theoretically it can take only 1'
Secret Baron gib
azure nimbus
from what I can tell, DSDA doom is the best for most vanilla-ish wads. But eternity is better for heartland(only one where it works lol) or if you need a controller. GZ doom is good for controller users, people who don't care about a really vanilla experience, and heavier mods. Crispy or chocolate are almost entirely for emulating the most classic feel stuff but DSDA can do that too at lower comp levels
dapper flint
from what I can tell, DSDA doom is the best for most vanilla-ish wads. But etern...
Eternity has the best controller
However it doesn't have a functional solo net
And the devs don't care about a functional solo net