classic-doom

[dawn moon]

will provide the midi if asked

it's made from scratch on a website called beepbox

[tacit remnant]

So I’m trying to play the Japanese Community Project on GZDoom, but they converted the UI to Japanese. Is there a way to revert the digits so I can read them?

[royal heron]

just use a sourceport with a less advanced menu then

or look at a regular GZDoom menu and do some comparisons

[halcyon willow]

uhhh isn't it built into the wad?

[tacit remnant]

I can read the menu. I mean like HP and Ammo

[halcyon willow]

everything being in japanese

yeah 99% sure that's unchangeable

[tacit remnant]

Oh well

[royal heron]

I mean HP and Ammo isn't so much of a problem because the HUD is self explanatory

HP, it's just a number

[tacit remnant]

That’s annoying but at least the master ammo listing is in arabic numerals, and I know which of those is which

[royal heron]

ammo, just numbers and if you use advanced hud, there'll probably be graphics to go along with that

or if it's classic HUD, it just does bullets, shells, rockets, cells

pretty easy

[tacit remnant]

The HP is “just a number” but the number is in Japanese numerals

[royal heron]

ah I see

i can see why that'd be a problem for people who don't understand japanese or a branch of chinese

I can understand both so it's never really been a problem for me

[tacit remnant]

The ammo listing was left in arabic numerals at least

[royal heron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/854794877594501143/908217606341799946/Screen_Shot_2021-11-10_at_11.52.26_PM.png

this should help you somewhat

[tacit remnant]

Zero is an “O” right?

[finite crag]

heyy

[royal heron]

pretty sure, yes

[tacit remnant]

Thanks

[royal heron]

also

[halcyon willow]

oh @tacit remnant search in the gzdoom menu for alternative hud

[royal heron]

did you load the JPCP japanese wad with it??

[halcyon willow]

should revert it back to the og

[royal heron]

because I got regular english hud lmao

sometimes you gotta read the text file and not include every file in the folder

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/854794877594501143/908218969951989800/Screen_Shot_2021-11-10_at_11.57.49_PM.png

[tacit remnant]

There we go. Thank you

[fast mortar]

damn i remember droppin that megawad at map 29 of all maps, gotta retry it sometime

[azure nimbus]

some wads, seem to come with several different folders...files idk. LIke alien vendetta has AV.WAD, AVMOVFIX.WAD and AV.DEH. Should I load all of them?

[eternal lance]

i think you should

[azure nimbus]

I accidentally loaded multiple wads at once and the hell knight kept ressurecting and throwing multiple projectiles...spooky

[finite crag]

ok so, Ive been having a bit of problmes with brutal doom v21. I currently have the most up to date version of GZDoom. Ive noticed thtlat randomly during intense play, the window will freeze while Im playing but the game will act like nothing happened and keeps playing (as in the game is still working but the screen is frozen.) Gameplay audio will still play as if nothing happened and as if everythig was normal. I can still co trol the game but, as I saidz the window is frozen so nothing is happening on screen. This has happened on several previous builds of GZDoom and it always seems to happen at the worst of times. I want to fix this but Sgt Mk IV hasnt uploaded any updates potentially fixing this bug

I want to know if its the mod itself or my computer. Because every other mod I play does not have this problem at all

I must also mention that V20b does not have the same problem either.

Ill see if I can get a recording next time I play

I also noticed that in the GZDoom startup script, there seems to be a lot of script errors/warnings as well

[finite crag]

I also use the current version of ZDL as well

[finite crag]

I found out about Dox's personalized addon fork, I tested that out, it runs a lot better with no freezing for me, so I'm going to use that instead

[versed wren]

My bet is AVMOVFIX is for certain source ports that can be bugged with AV and AV.deh is just for Vanilla source ports, on PRBoom+/DSDA Doom I can load AV.wad without the deh.

[versed wren]

Looking at the read me, av.deh/av.exe is a patched DOOM2 original executable that replaces automap names, changes text screens... avmovfix.wad fixes a bug on the original DOOM2 that made it crash while recording a full game demo on map20.

[onyx crow]

i felt like doomguy beating icon of sin after i remove the damn virus

tho it's still pretty slow, the updates will take cover it

[dapper flint]

Icon virus.

[fickle adder]

what virus

[fresh umbra]

Vios

[sullen spruce]

Console ports resolution fix when?

[eternal lance]

never

[past field]

guys I think I just made one of the longest and hardest levels ever with using OBLIGE

[eternal lance]

ai level moment

[past field]

oblige does a good job at making fun levels

[halcyon willow]

This is factually incorrect

Oblige does ... a job. I'll go that far

[past field]

I like levels made by Oblige

especially if you set everything to "mix it up"

[robust bridge]

Mouth for Doom is such an annoying track...

even more annoying on the Windows wavetable synth

[slim willow]

E3M1's midi is annoying to you?

[robust bridge]

yes, especially the triple beat in Windows General Midi passthrough

or should we call it Eye OF Doom?

During the guitar-heavy early portion of Eye of Doom/Mouth for Doom, they used the aah MIDI "chorus instrument" to amplify the triple beat

Windows WTGS makes that stand out, making it sound like demons laughing partly obscured by the music

[dull snow]

could just use gzdoom and a different emulator

[robust bridge]

in DOSbox I'd have to switch to using SB but that has a tradeoff on the rest of the music

[robust bridge]

Am I the only one to call it Mouth for Doom?

[dapper flint]

If you're not a fan of Pantera mouth for war no one here can help you

[robust bridge]

Not a fan of heavy metal in general but the e2m9/e3m1 tune is officially untitled

Doom 2 has some untitled tracks too, including Deathmatch intermission, Catch Lead being the placeholder title

General rule: for untitled Doom tracks, use a name variation based on most simialr track

[dapper flint]

It sure is but the track is basically identical so yeah

[robust bridge]

Doom 2 has 3 DM tracks that are untitled

[dapper flint]

I'm specifically talkng about the subject I replied to you with which is e3m1

[robust bridge]

but should we settle on Mouth For Doom (calling to the original track) or Eye of Doom (calling to how E3M1 starts)?

For Doom2, since the DM tracks are all non-mission tracks, it's different

The four untitled Doom tracks are:
Doom 1:
Eye of Doom/Mouth for Doom (E2M9/E3M1)
Doom 2:
Murderous Marines (dm2 title)
Catch Lead! (dm2 intermission)
Spectral Hangover (dm2 endgame)

[dapper flint]

I'm sorry we were talking about how you don't enjoy e3m1. That was the subject not fact spewing. What type of music would you prefer in doom if not heavy metal inspired midis

?

[robust bridge]

While not a fan of heavy metal in general, I think that it fits Doom but E3M1's sound enhancement tricks just fall flat on Windows WT GS

[dapper flint]

I used to listen to half baked Metallica rips on limewire. And rocked out. Not really a audiophile

[azure nimbus]

does eternity + ZDL even needs the IWADS? I have no plutonia loaded but I can play plutonia

[halcyon willow]

Yes

This means you have plutonia loaded

[azure nimbus]

So maybe ZDL can find files that I haven't selected manually?

[dapper flint]

You're using the unity doom 2 then final doom would be a add on

[azure nimbus]

so final doom is included in my IWAD of doom2?

[dapper flint]

Yeah if you're using steams unity

[azure nimbus]

Useful if I ever want to solonet plutonia. I gave up on beating Tangerine Nightmare's secret map saveless. It was several hours between sucessfull runs in practice for that room. Running vanguard now, Skillsaw's pretty good. These are good maps to play blind

[royal heron]

Skillsaw is amazing

[dapper flint]

You don't want to solo net plutonia. Impossible mission is technically possible now but not before 100 tries or so

[royal heron]

Heartland is also a super good WAD to play

it is Skillsaw's hardest wad though iirc

[finite crag]

Heartland is cool but holy shit it makes my pc cry in some areas

[azure nimbus]

well, can skip impossible mission.

from what I can tell, vanguard is an earlier, less flashy work of skillsaw's and this is still great so I have a lot in store for me later

[robust bridge]

Final DOom for Unity will not be detected by GZ, IIRC. Not sure of the launcher

[azure nimbus]

GZ should be same launcher right, both ZDL?

[dapper flint]

No but if you just launch it it will be in the add on section where you can enable disable if it's enabled then he can launch uv plus fast

[robust bridge]

ZDL is the launcher for Z, GZ and LZ

[dapper flint]

True I use zdl for gz and eternity at the moment

[robust bridge]

which is more advanced than GZ's simple onboard IWAD/lights/brights launcher

[robust bridge]

From a year's index day (after-leap part's index in a leap year), add 2 days to calculate its doomsday

[wind ingot]

what’s a really fun doom 2 wad?

im looking for one that's really fun cause im bored but already beat all the levels on doom 2 lol

[royal heron]

do you care about difficulty

[wind ingot]

uhhhh i usually play on hurt me plenty so like i could take a challenge but im definitely not the greatest at the game

[royal heron]

hm

a good wad is BTSX

another one is Scythe

Scythe does get sorta hard near the end tho so tone it down to hey not too rough on the third episode

those are both kinda intermediate wads

otherwise there aren't many other ones that are fun to play and only decently challenging

because difficulty is pretty much everything nowadays

[dull snow]

Eviternity is good

[wind ingot]

ill check em both out

[dull snow]

it'll require boom or gzdoom but is good

middle of the road difficulty i think

[royal heron]

I mean if you haven't played Final doom... then you probably should

[wind ingot]

what's that

ive only played doom 2 on xbox but im finally gonna play it on pc so i actually have accesses to more stuff

[royal heron]

it's two 32-map megawads that come after doom 2

[wind ingot]

oooo

[royal heron]

they're called TNT Evilution and The Plutonia Experiment

TNT Evilution in my opinion is... eh

the levels are mainly like huge techbases or mazey levels

which are not my book

The Plutonia Experiment is the WAD that people consider to be the "graduation" to the harder megawads of today

it's definitely harder than doom 2

[wind ingot]

i think might get eviternity

i like the way levels look

im trying to load the wad into gzdoom but it keeps saying "R_InstallSprite: Sprite BSPI frame A is missing rotations"

[royal heron]

see if there are any other files that come with eviternity

[wind ingot]

it was just the wad, a read me file, and a change log file

[royal heron]

hm

[dapper flint]

Hurts a good map to try

[dawn moon]

i might finish e4m1 on uv without taking damage

the hitbox of an imp fireball is deceptively large

[royal heron]

that's pretty hard

[wind ingot]

still dunno why it’s not working

[craggy bone]

Difficulty-wise Eviternity is middle-of-the-road for user content, but it's definitely spicier than any of the commercial releases, especially towards the end

[wind ingot]

i still can’t figure out why it’s not working

[dawn moon]

i wonder how detonation from the tnt midi pack would sound if it was comprised of symphonic band instruments

kinda wonder what the entire tnt midi pack would sound like as if it was symphonic band

[dawn moon]

gonna check it out

taking a shit tho so gotta use android freedoom

freedoom doesnt recognize that it exists lmao

[wind ingot]

I’ve tried different downloads and they always contain the same files and it refuses to run them

[dawn moon]

ok so y'know how people say e1m1 is impossible to ruin?
playing the midi in samsung music sure as hell comes close

[royal heron]

try using a different sourceport

like the Eternity Engine

or Woof! or DSDA-Doom

[wind ingot]

tried those and all it said was that there's no IWAD?

im kinda new to this stuff so i don't really know what im doing

[slim willow]

Do you own the games? Like on Steam?

[wind ingot]

i own ultimate doom

is that why it wont work?

cause i have that instead of just doom 2

[slim willow]

No I was asking because you'll need to go into the game's folders and take the DOOM.WAD (the fabled IWAD) out.

and put it where your sourceport is

If you're on Steam, right click the game in your library, select properties, go down to local files, hit the browse button, enter the base folder, and drag DOOM.WAD into your sourceport folder

[wind ingot]

i did that but it's still saying R_InstallSprite: Sprite BSPI frame A is missing rotations

[slim willow]

Oh, that's the Arachnotron's sprite. Weird. You're trying GZDoom right?

[wind ingot]

ive tried both GZDoom and prboom+

[slim willow]

And DOOM.WAD is in the folders of both?

[royal heron]

or doom2.wad

[wind ingot]

yeah

[slim willow]

You're on Windows?

[wind ingot]

yep

[slim willow]

[royal heron]

because regular ol ultimate doom I'm pretty sure doesn't work with Eviternity

[slim willow]

OHHH hes trying eviternity?

[royal heron]

eviternity relies on some stuff from doom 2 which aren't in ultimate doom

[wind ingot]

yes

[royal heron]

ye

[wind ingot]

so i can't play it then?

[royal heron]

nope

[slim willow]

Yeah you'll need Doom 2. I thought this was just sourceport issues

[wind ingot]

damn

[royal heron]

hm

you could try SIGIL

it's a megawad made by john romero

[prime lava]

been a while since I've seen you around :^)

[craggy bone]

yo

Just kicking about lol

In hotel quarantine at the moment

[prime lava]

damn

[royal heron]

damn

[craggy bone]

Your profile pictures are still confusing, I see haha

Don't worry I'm not sick or anything, I just moved countries

Stupidly didn't bring a mouse though so I'm having to Doom with keyboard only, it's rough

[wind ingot]

bought doom 2 lol

[opal blade]

time to kick ass with the SSG then.

[eternal lance]

[fast mortar]

He is waiting

[molten iron]

Yooo Toastd you back. I havent seen you in months

[craggy bone]

I've been around now and then, just not regularly

[wind ingot]

i finally eviternity working

[robust bridge]

GLBoom+ seems to control lighting level percentage, not gamma, with F11

[onyx crow]

The virus actually came back again but Malicious Software Removal Tool removed it lol

[atomic dust]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=44lhqrsUTlo&t=4s

this theme honestly sounds kinda relaxing

[onyx crow]

ahh you gave me nightmares

[eternal lance]

the reverb on this

[robust bridge]

What was the point of making a 5th episode for Doom?

[dusky heron]

Money

[prime lava]

What's the point of making any doom wad?

[tacit remnant]

Because he wanted to

[robust bridge]

Some people do modding as part of game-design studies, but an interquel episode between Doom 1 and 2? that's over the top

[royal heron]

For fun lmao

What a rhetorical question

[fresh umbra]

They say there’s no stupid questions but my god, that’s a stupid question

[royal heron]

"Over the top" LMAO

Yura, what're you on

[fresh umbra]

Also isn’t Romero working on a 6th episode

[royal heron]

I'd like some of that

[royal heron]

SIGIL 2, for Doom 2

[robust bridge]

Not really, maps 33-40 for Doom2

[fresh umbra]

Those are already taken by no rest for the living

[royal heron]

^

SIGIL 2 is gonna replace the entirety of Doom 2 pretty sure

[fresh umbra]

What

[robust bridge]

Not likely

also, Concerned replaces entire Doom 1 with Hell in CERN

"Doom 4 Vanilla" kinda makes sense for Hell in CERN

[dull snow]

He literally announced it. on a podcast.

@halcyon willow 's podcast to be precise.

[eternal lance]

[halcyon willow]

that is correct

straight from the man himself

[fresh umbra]

So it’ll just replace doom 2?

[opal blade]

Sigil 3 will replace Doom 3

[royal heron]

👀

[fresh umbra]

Sigil 4 will replace doom 2016

[lofty arch]

hey is there anyone who might be able to help me out with Chocolate Doom ? fire me a dm if so

[azure nimbus]

Finished Vanguard. Solid ending. took some practice. Starting Ancient Aliens. A bit of a drop in difficulty but that's fine. The maps look gorgeous and the telefrag theme is cool

[slim willow]

32 John Romero maps.

[eternal lance]

oh boy i do love getting obliterated by 9 barons in a single room

[fast mortar]

Plutonia 2 is average so far, didnt expect it to overthrow the first one but we'll see

[eternal lance]

but...sigil 2 is a doom 2 wad

oh no

[royal heron]

expect a cyberdemon in every one

[dapper flint]

I will also be the first person to do sigil 2 uv plus fast

[royal heron]

👀

[wise notch]

Hello there

i want to ask how the hell do the mirrors from doomworld work

or something

because i clicked one of em and then they wanted to select google, internet explorer, and stuff like that

i picked google and nothing happened

i clicked the thing again and nothing happened

so how do these work

and what are they most importantly

[dull snow]

just use the Virginia mirror, it's generally easiest

[wise notch]

ah yeah i see it download normally now

ok thanks

[hallow herald]

I’m starting to think you’re just a troll account

Because no one can be that stupid

[finite crag]

The final boss in Doom 1 is so hard

[azure nimbus]

I tried downloading 15 cyberdemon challenge but the top half of the screen glitched out on eternity. uh

[hallow herald]

How so?

[finite crag]

I had 21 health the whole time lol

[hallow herald]

Even on pistol start she takes like 1-3 tries depending on your rng

[hallow herald]

Ah

[tender wave]

I need help friends, im trying to do a doom playthrough with a ps5 controller, but the trackpad and controller are acting like a mouse and its messing up my aim, anybody know how to fix this?

[craggy bone]

Anniversary episodes offend my morals

Sinful

Free content bad

He should have released it a week later. Would've made all the difference

[untold chasm]

i come back to doom 3 months later and hot damn

20:25 on episode 1

m8 is just a maze

[eternal lance]

always click the SSL ones (pick the one that is closest to you)

🤨

when did demakes become illegal

source ?

doom 4 vanilla doesn't even use the assets from doom 2016,because that's not even possible

it's literally just a gameplay mod that has weapons and other stuff based on the designs from doom 2016

and it's free too

going by your logic DUSK '82 should be illegal because it's a demake

[finite crag]

LMAO New Blood suing New Blood because apparently demakes are illegal

[eternal lance]

🤣

[timid cliff]

does anyone have a good tool for managing diffrent ports and wads

[eternal lance]

ZDL is a thing

[timid cliff]

thx

[hallow herald]

Then you’re truly rasteless

*tasteless

[livid storm]

Reminds me of John Fogerty getting sued by CCR's record label for sounding too much like himself.

[slim willow]

So you're telling me, a brand new free expansion to celebrate a game's anniversary is a bad thing? How the hell does that even make sense?

[dusky venture]

Should be somewhere in the gameplay settings mate.

[royal heron]

I think Yura is just a brainlet

We should just ignore his stupid ramblings

[zenith berry]

Some tip: If you don’t own Doom, but still want to experience the monsters in some form without having to pirate, aside from playing the shareware version, then you can pair Brutal Doom mod with Freedoom. It replaces Freedoom monsters with the mod’s Doom monsters.

Or alternatively, go for the Monsters Only mod. You’ll have the BD stuff only in monsters.

This is what I did before I bought the complete Doom collection.

Other methods you can use is the Doom 4 Vanilla mod, the latter even includes textures.

[eternal lance]

wait

what textures does doom 4 vanilla have in it

[royal heron]

modified sprites

[eternal lance]

oh ok

i thought he was talking about wall textures and such

[finite crag]

Back to Saturn X is ridiculously hard. Sunlust hard. Wasn’t expecting this.

[opal blade]

Sunlust is harder than BTSX imho

[idle yoke]

You got any serwer on zandronum?

[royal heron]

BTSX is nowhere near Sunlust difficulty

If it's too hard, turn down the difficulty or use saves

[dapper flint]

^

[finite crag]

wha?
btsx is nowhere near sunlust difficulty

it may be hard but it's not that hard

[vast dome]

[azure nimbus]

I saw someone say that btsxe2's secret map: the sun king thing was like a sunlust map...idk man

[craggy bone]

I feel like "Sunlust" often becomes just a byword for "difficult"

Usually used by people who haven't actually experienced later Sunlust maps lol

[dapper flint]

True. But btsx isn't very " difficult " although that's subjective. I feel the fact you can do btsx pretty easily on solo net shows that it's very doable for most players.

[finite crag]

It’s fucking hard to me lol. I’m not even sure I can continue and I’m just a handful of maps in.

[craggy bone]

BTSX can be tough, but it's still several tiers removed from Sunlust. Some of it can be as tough as the first few maps of Sunlust, I suppose

There's more ammo conservation involved in BTSX so I guess that can complicate things if you struggle with resource management

A couple of times in BTSX I had to restart maps because I ran out of supplies

[dapper flint]

I did notice some areas depended on infights for sure. More than usual

[craggy bone]

First time it happened to me was I think... Map 6? The corridor at the end where revenants come down one end and there are mancubi and pains at the other end

I didn't have any rockets and if I ran down the end to get the rockets in the manc/pain room the revenants blocked my escape and it became too crowded to avoid rocket splash

But then I replayed the map and saved some rockets and it was easy

[finite crag]

Does there exist a list of wads sorted by difficulty?

[craggy bone]

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/107015-wad-progression-for-skill-improvement/

This is a good resource. It's not exhaustive, but it gives a general idea of difficulty scales using a lot of the more well-known pwads

I'd say BTSX is probably around the Valiant/Ancient Aliens sort of tier

It's definitely much easier than Alien Vendetta

[finite crag]

does anyone here want to try out my doom wad?

[fickle adder]

Sure

[finite crag]

THX

[ashen folio]

@spice radish @finite crag found a way to play doom on school comp

https: //sites.google.com/site/tyronesgameshack/doom

you can also play doom II

[spice radish]

THANK YOU. Since it's a chromebook not to worried about getting a virus or whatever

[ashen folio]

lol

[craggy bone]

Kinda looks like it

The mods take that pretty seriously so be careful

[upbeat badger]

Yikes

[pearl osprey]

While viruses are rare on chromebook, they still exist and they're very dangerous

[eternal lance]

if that's full doom playable in browser then it's piracy

delete this

[slim willow]

I don't know if playing it in a browser without downloading it is exactly "piracy" but there's definitely some questionability there, lol.

[fresh umbra]

Could possibly even fall under fair use for being transformative

[slim willow]

https://tenor.com/view/dwayne-johnson-looking-confused-the-rock-gif-21978284

[craggy bone]

It definitely does not lol

[azure nimbus]

playing a flash version of doom is actually satire mmm

[finite crag]

Made my day

I forgot school computers are garbage

[lucid storm]

this is so helpful. thank you I have been trying to find something like this since I started playing doom

I could never find what the good wads were

[dapper flint]

Doom world is a must. Bookmark it

[ashen folio]

you’re not physically able to download the game or anything so it’s not

and considering that the 1993 doom wad was made public for modding and use to where you can permanently download the wad’s for free i don’t see playing a browser version as piracy

[eternal lance]

when was the wad made public for free

oh,i know

never

[ashen folio]

you can find the wads for free online on doom modding websites

if id and bethesda didn’t want or like that then they would’ve done something by now

[pearl osprey]

The wads are available on archive.org but that doesn't mean they are public domain yet

They are still pretty much owned by ID

[ashen folio]

owned but still open for free use and modding

[pearl osprey]

That's for a completely different reason

It's open for modding because the source code is open source and free

the wad file is not

[ashen folio]

still whoever runs the website makes money off of ads and not file downloads which they don’t even do so it’s not piracy

it is questionable though i’ll give you that

[pearl osprey]

I am not saying if it's piracy or not, in fact I don't think it is

Just saying ID have full rights to the wad files and they are not in public domain

[ashen folio]

ID should’ve take better care of their property of their property then

[pearl osprey]

I am glad they don't tbh

Companies like nintendo suing their biggest fans for creating fan games is absurd and disgusts me

[royal heron]

Here comes Yura

[eternal lance]

freedoom
is
not
a
Bootleg

it's a fan project

it's also free + based on a open code

🤨

[pearl osprey]

Not my problem the lawmakers are braindead

[eternal lance]

you are essentially saying that every mod in existance is illegal

[pearl osprey]

Even if they are illegal, that's not what they should be

[eternal lance]

basically all custom content

[dull snow]

We literally have already been over this, Bethesda has official add ons that are fan made. They are not illegal.

[pearl osprey]

Freedoom is perfect as it is right now, it does it's purpose, if you don't like it just fork the darn thing and make your own IWAD

[dull snow]

Please stop talking out of your ass Yura, you're annoying

[eternal lance]

THIS

[dull snow]

That would require him actually put effort into doing something

[eternal lance]

and you once said that Deh is illegal without giving proof or reasons

dehacked is not illegal at all

what ?

[opal blade]

playing doom is illegal

[eternal lance]

making games is illegal

[dull snow]

Uh, no. Unless someone is selling the mod, none of that shit matters

[eternal lance]

hell to pay moment

perditions gate moment

[dull snow]

99.9% of fan wads are free and the ones that aren't have all original assets

[eternal lance]

like hacx

[dull snow]

Why does it even matter. Whine to Bethesda or id if you're so fucking bothered by it

[pearl osprey]

The funny thing is ID and Bethesda have literally no reason to sue these mod makers

[dull snow]

Because they know they'd lose their community if they did

[royal heron]

DSL doesn't matter anymore bruh

It was re-released under GPL

[dapper flint]

[opal blade]

Why is this argument even continuing? Y'all can return to skills conversations again, please. Sunlust map10 is difficult as fuck.

[calm cradle]

The doom source license fully allows modifications to it, what the fuck

Why the fuck are we always having to explain this shit to you

[pearl osprey]

Sunlust so hard I couldn't get past level 5 without using saves

[dusky venture]

sixteen archviles
that is all

[royal heron]

Sunlust in general is difficult as fuck

[dusk dagger]

Can't get past map01 in Sunlust

[royal heron]

At this point why don't we just mute him or sm

[opal blade]

Neo Gougaru Gerouru is honestly one of the fairest levels in Sunlust.

Kinda easy.

[slim willow]

the entire first episode is pretty managable

[opal blade]

besides map10 yeah

map10 is eternal suffering.

[slim willow]

After map 10 it starts picking up. Next big spike is around the mid teens if I remember correctly.

And then Map 24 is another one.

[opal blade]

according to the readme, map10 was intended to be a major spike in the difficulty yea.

I heard map24 is so hard, but I haven't gotten to it yet

[slim willow]

It uses Blood music. And it wears it well.

[prime lava]

never played sl24

I haven't played half of sunlust, I think I've played 01-13, 25, 28, 29, 32

[slim willow]

It's not as hard as Maelstrom or God Machine, but it has some hard archvile encounters, and the final fight is fucking nuts.

I posted a screenshot of the aftermath last year when showroom was still around. No idea if I posted it elsewhere.

[opal blade]

I've played a bit of God Machine and died both ingame and in real life.

[prime lava]

don't think ill play map30 for quite a while, seems like a slog to play tbh 🙂

[slim willow]

God Machine's got my favorite final room in any Doom map. ||The tiny room where the Archviles come out.||

[lucid storm]

is this the main server for talking about old doom or are there other discords for it that are more popular?

[prime lava]

for now I'm not playing sunlust, though, got other stuff to do 😛

[opal blade]

this channel is dedicated to classic doom conversations, and it's official.

[slim willow]

This is the official Doom Discord server, there are better classic servers that exist, but for now, enjoy us losers.

[lucid storm]

ok. are there other servers that may be unofficial or?

[opal blade]

There might be some servers out there you'd want to check if you're interested in mods or anything

[lucid storm]

oh, does anyone have links? I want to join like all of the main ones people use

do mods mean like, new maps custom maps and stuff or?

[slim willow]

If links get posted, the moderators will smite this chat.

[lucid storm]

I mostly like just normal doom without mods and stuff

[opal blade]

I mean we can just dm it to him

[lucid storm]

oh.. sorry. Swiss do you know any?

[slim willow]

A couple Youtuber ones have a greater focus on classic. US Doom and Quake Community was badass when I was on there a few years ago. They used to do deathmatch and shit constantly. Don't know if they still do though. John Romero's server is a bit more of a relaxed experience, but has more Classic focus definitely. I'd list more, but I don't really explore Discord that often anymore.

[spice radish]

My school district OUSD is pretty tight on the shit they use. The Steam website is blocked to the point I can't even use the Steam app itself while connected to school wi-fi

I tried downloading Freedoom and GZDoom but the download was blocked

[lucid storm]

ah okay, thank you! the only youtuber I know is decino but I'll look into the others as well

[pearl osprey]

Nothing a VPN or a linux live boot can't fix

although linux is comlicated

you can probably set a vpn or connect to the chromebook to wifi using your phone's data

[spice radish]

Assuming I could even get those things . They have such a tight handle on what is and isn't allowed on school internet. Also the wi-fi sucks ass so things move super slowly.

Like they have these macs right? You turn it on and the screen just goes red and black like you took a sledgehammer to it.

I have a picture hol up I'll send in #screenshots

[pearl osprey]

man that sucks, in my school the computers have 0 restrictions

I actually got dsda doom on like 3 computers there

but obviously you can't play doom in the middle of a lesson

[opal blade]

just play doom on your teacher

[pearl osprey]

hell, since it runs on anything, play doom on a pregnancy test

[azure nimbus]

Since doom is open source code, but the wads are still private licensed, that means that the code and wad files are different. So how are they different? Sorry, am boomer for computer stuff

[zenith berry]

The code can be the same since it’s free, but its assets (graphics and all audio visual stuff) may not.

[pearl osprey]

The source code allows you to compile the Engine which does all the physics and all the calculation and renders the game etc...

The official doom1/doom2 IWAD's are archive files that contains all the game's resources such as sprites, graphics, text, sounds, maps etc...

[dapper flint]

[vivid vine]

FreeDoom (getting sick of seeing it come up) runs on the fact that the code is also open source, its the resources and materials that need substituted

The enemies and weapons behave exactly the same

[pearl osprey]

Exactly, so technically a game made using freedoom's textures or your own textures, but also uses something like GZDoom is owned 100% by you (as long as you provide the source code for GZDoom)

[eternal lance]

doom source code: free to modify & use
freedoom:the doom source code + custom textures,audio etc

[onyx crow]

i hate when people actually confuse that doom 95 is a video game

[azure nimbus]

DOOM came out in 1993, doom2 in '94 and thy flesh consumed/ultimate doom/versionsoldinstores doom in 1995

[wise inlet]

anyone got any tips on beating the super arch vile from valiant?

[slim willow]

Hide behind walls a lot

[royal heron]

Fighting archviles is one of the few exceptions where turning doom into a cover shooter is okay

Another is using BFG tracers on slaughter groups

And yet another is when you're low on health

Goddamit my radio literally just rickrolled me

[fresh umbra]

Tbh I think reintroducing cover shooter mechanics but building them straight off of wolf 3D and doom would be a good move for the franchise

[pearl osprey]

Fr

[royal heron]

Tbh yeah that seems interesting

Because now it's run in, quickswitch and destroy everything, and repeat

If you were squishier like in classic to the point where sometimes you'd have to use cover is real interesting

[sonic thorn]

chaingunner laughs at you not using cover

[royal heron]

Imagine if chaingunners in eternal were hitscan and not projectiles

Literally no demon in the modern games is hitscan

They're all projectiles

Except shield soldiers

But you'd have to get close for that hitscan attack

[azure nimbus]

is marauder shotgun hitscan or a range check like pinkies? pretty sure it's hitscan.

[dusk dagger]

I don't believe it's hitscan, but the projectiles go fast enough to be impossible to dodge

[azure nimbus]

at least in multiplayer, marauder ssg is hitscan for sure. regardless, DE does move away from doom1's hitscan party somewhat. Doom2 kinda does but then again, chaingunners

[azure nimbus]

the final boss of the original doom being hitscan is a strange choice imo

[royal heron]

if you're asking about conversions and the sort better take that to #classic-doom-maps-mods

[finite crag]

How long does it take to 100% all doom games

[tacit remnant]

That depends on whether you count stuff like Final Doom, how you define “complete” for the classic titles, and if you’re good at Doom. I’d say anywhere from a week to to several months depending on your answers

[dapper flint]

Well you can blast into dust fast so it's not bad

Final doom is Canon. It's in the manual. So it should count as the complete experience

[tacit remnant]

Ok

[dapper flint]

Tnts story is bananas though lol

[tacit remnant]

I was using it as the face of the various official expansions, so would you also count the Master Levels and the addons included in the Unity port?

I assume completing a game would mean beating all the levels, but the old Doom titles don’t have achievements so does the difficulty played matter? The time investment of playing through on I’m too Young to Die and having to work up to beating on Nightmare are worlds apart

[dapper flint]

No I personally wouldn't count add ons or unity wads because they aren't in the manual or lore booklet section connecting final and original dooms

[dapper flint]

Nightmare is something else. I really wouldn't recommend it unless you're into speed running

[tacit remnant]

Right. My question is, does completing the game require a Nightmare playthrough?

[dapper flint]

Not at all. Unless you're going for 100 percent achievements from the new port

[tacit remnant]

Okay

[dapper flint]

But I think playing uv is solid or uv fast

[tacit remnant]

But yeah how long to complete is a complicated question between this and the fact that outside of Nightmare, player times per level varies a lot

[royal heron]

depends

does difficulty matter?

are you gonna use exploits?

and what exactly counts as 100%

if difficulty doesn't matter I'd say it'd take just a couple of weeks if you play diligently

[craggy bone]

ZeroMaster beat Doom 2 on Nightmare in 12:44 so your entire run of the series shouldn't take more than an hour

[dapper flint]

With some practice and map knowledge yes. I'd say if it's your 3rd or 4th time playing alot longer

[craggy bone]

Allow yourself 15 mins max per game or you're a scrub

In seriousness, a full UV run of Doom 2 usually takes me 3-4 hours I think. Doom 1 (with E4) and TNT are longer. Plutonia is probably about the same length, but you'll die a lot more than in the others which will prolong your playtime.

[tacit remnant]

I think I took about an hour minimum per level in Doom 1 UV after episode 1. I’m………not good at Doom

That’s counting failed level attempts btw

[onyx crow]

that takes like days to finish all games

[royal heron]

more like weeks tbh

[onyx crow]

well i just realized the real reason why prboom didn't worked it's because of sality the unremovable malware aka backdoor trojan infected it

[nimble basin]

https://twitter.com/karepack77/status/1460132141245681668

KAREPACK (@karepack77)

Doom runs on everything

Twitter · Nov 15, 2021, 6:26 AM

[eternal lance]

she literally installs the boom source port without the iwad

[sonic thorn]

Cheater

[nimble basin]

She installed sigil later on

[finite crag]

TNT is kicking my ass not even ten levels in

[dapper flint]

If they're saying 100 achievements then longer. Took me 2 months to get nightmare down especially map 29

[azure nimbus]

the secret triggers in e4m1 are sooo weird. I did the NIN thing and got the rocket launcher but I only have 1/2 secrets

[vivid vine]

The NIN secret is not an actual secret. You need to teleport up to the ledges where the shotgunners were

[royal heron]

It actually is but you have to walk on it super weirdly iirc

Yeah it's the ground around the NIN letters, not the letters themselves

And because the sectors are so close, the chance of walking over it and onto the letters is very high

[vital cradle]

anyone know what I'm supposed to do with a .deh file? or a .sf2 file? or a .dls file? To make them work with Delta Touch, that is.

[royal heron]

I think you'd just laod them with the IWAD

[finite crag]

you load a .deh with the iwad or whatever wad you're playing
the sf2 file I think you have to put it into a folder called soundfonts, but I'm not sure how delta touch works
idk what a .dls file is so

[pearl osprey]

Deh is a dehacked file, it usually is bundled just in case your sourceport can't load dehacked files automatically, so unless your using chocolate dolm you don't have to worry about ut

Sf2 is a soundfront file, it's used for midi players to play midis in a specific way, personally idk how you can change soundfronts in doom

And I never heard of dls

[pallid plaza]

do you guys remember

that icon of sin's texture is broken

[finite crag]

no?

[eternal lance]

*the way it's placed on map30 is misaligned

[finite crag]

Hello, anyone know how to install mods all together like this one guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bguDn6M6wnY&t=1s

[zenith berry]

You can use ZDL, in where it allows you to load multiple mods simultaneously in just few clicks.

[finite crag]

alr thanks!

[wise sluice]

anyone played the mortal kombat doom wad?

[azure nimbus]

for ZDL, should I be typing my commands into the extra command line args area or "always run these parameter"?

[dapper flint]

Extra command

[azure nimbus]

well, solonet'd Go 2 It. I just got lucky at the end. Hopefully when I try it again on stream, I'll beat the end cuz I did it right and not cuz I happened to survive a second rocket and get blasted right into cover

It was surprisingly not that bad except for the ending

[tacit remnant]

Is there a guide to Doom boxing I can use?

[dapper flint]

Actually really enjoyable minus the cyber horde at the end

[azure nimbus]

From what I gather, solonet is more of an "if the map happens to be good with it basis." LIke map10 plutonia is...maybe you're a masochist... but generally not fun for coop monsters. Whereas 31 and 32 are perhaps improved

then some maps kinda lose their flow like map1 congo gives an early rocket launcher which causes the rev surprise to be less impactful. I used to like cyberden a lot but the fact that I can perfectly 2-bfg the cybers and still not have an extra shot for the arch is kinda mean. then again, I did plasma the barons

I used "-vanilla" in the always run section. idk how to make it not load with vanilla comp settings now. used to load with some boom defaults but now it's doom defaults

[finite crag]

I just beat the original game for the first time

[royal heron]

nice

[dapper flint]

Some wads also. Its good to test it. Btsx for example is perfect for solo net

[finite crag]

You guy allow mod talk?

Dont worry i verified

[azure nimbus]

pretty sure #classic-doom-maps-mods is for that but mods can come up here too ig

[finite crag]

What about wepon mods?

[azure nimbus]

should be fine in either

[finite crag]

oh ok

If anyone wants to work on a mod with me, dm me. Ill make the maps, you make the weapons and i pitch sprites, concept art, and ill voice act for the mod

[finite crag]

How would y'all rank the ports that you've played?

[royal heron]

hm

you can't rank ports

[slim willow]

console ports or pc sourceports?

[royal heron]

unless they're similar

because each port serves a different function

[finite crag]

Console ports / ports to specific operating systems

[royal heron]

you can't compare GZDoom and PrBoom+, both have their pros and cons and are radically different

[royal heron]

oh

[finite crag]

I mean, I know the jaguar version doesn't have music for example

[tacit remnant]

The Switch version is kinda bad.

[slim willow]

I'd rank it highest due to just how much it has tbh

favorite will always be the PS1 port though

[finite crag]

Would I load Eviternity as the IWAD or as a mod for Doom II?

[royal heron]

Eviternity is a PWAD, meant to be loaded with Doom II

[finite crag]

Ok

THX

[royal heron]

you have to do it on an advanced Boom-based sourceport, however(or higher)

because it does not use Boom compatibility, it uses MBF compatibility

[finite crag]

GZDoom ok?

[royal heron]

yeah

[slim willow]

yeah

[royal heron]

GZDoom runs anything lmao

[finite crag]

Great

[royal heron]

except lilith.pk3

but other than that yeah it runs anything

it's even advanced enough to patch over broken textures, linedefs, and missing sector tags

but vanilla compatibility is sacrificed for all these advanced features

which isn't necessarily too much of a bad thing

if you want vanilla, use a more vanilla port

[slim willow]

Yeah GZDoom's pretty cool

[eternal lance]

graf's about to explode from rage

[dapper flint]

I use alot of gz lately but I haven't given up on eternity yet

[analog snow]

Hi, where and how do I download/set up crispy doom

[analog snow]

I have set up crispy doom, no need to worry

[signal cairn]

I wonder If I could get ms-dos to work on a new computer (not just the command prompt that evolved from ms-dos)

[eternal lance]

doubt

[finite crag]

It's possible but

[dull snow]

You can use dosbox as a close sub

[vivid vine]

Man they sure gave up on you though. That was unbelievable.

I dont think I've messed around with Eternity since

[dapper flint]

It has really great controller support.

[hallow herald]

HERESY

I get it’s a matter of personal opinion

But Personally I think demo compatibility with vanilla is one of the main things that make a great port

Along with good performance and good options

Hence why I like things like crispy doom and dsda-doom

Wad compatibility is not as important but it’s still up there

But hey it’s not a deal breaker if it’s limit removing only

[royal heron]

yeah, that's why I said "if you want vanilla, use a more vanilla port"

unfortunately GZDoom will never have true vanilla compatibility

[hallow herald]

Yeah

[royal heron]

because it's based off of ZDoom

which is already heavily modified

so GZDoom is even more modified

it's like COD using the idTech3 engine

[hallow herald]

If only it were possible for gzdoom to retain compatibility with vanilla demos

[royal heron]

it's modified to the point where not much idTech is left

[hallow herald]

Yeah

[royal heron]

if Benko was here, he'd have a field day with you

[dapper flint]

And when it comes to eternity and gz eternity has better controller support but gz is close. Eternity is more vanilla but doesn't have solo net

So there's that

[royal heron]

basically, every port has it's own use

[finite crag]

hello

[royal heron]

hello croc

[finite crag]

I love DOOM

[dapper flint]

Exactly. If I'm not doing a gz exclusive or solo net. Then I'm using eternity. No other option for the 2 controller users out there

Lol almost forgot about unity

Rip

[royal heron]

controller support should be more widespread tbh

unity seems good but I've never personally tried it

[finite crag]

um hey is there a place here where I can kill some demons?

[royal heron]

uh just play some doom then

[finite crag]

I don't have the game

[dull snow]

it's like $5 on steam

if that

[finite crag]

I don't have steam

[royal heron]

you can download steam

or wait for it to go on sale

on sale, it's like $1.49

[dapper flint]

Controller is off auto sr50 is strange the resolution is jank and the support is near dead the add on come every half a year or so and are limited to limit removing vanilla

[royal heron]

yeah compared to the ports available on PC unity is just not that good

console players are just stuck with unity

and the auto SR50 might be the most jank part tbh

[azure nimbus]

nah it's skill

[dapper flint]

Yeah auto sr50 isn't jank you have a angle down you have it but PC keybinds make it better

As a console player I wouldn't say stuck at all. Anyone with a laptop can use a source port. I personally believe they don't try because they feel it's to complicated

[royal heron]

it's probably just my speedrunning side kicking in on this tbh

since I'm used to using SR50 for only straight hallways

[dapper flint]

I've only used it a few times for grabbing secrets or hot spots honestly

[royal heron]

with the constant extra speed of auto SR50 I find myself crashing into level geometry more often and I find that without the camera lock some tricks don't work as well or not all all(although this can be remedied by just pressing strafe on to manually lock it in place)

[dapper flint]

It really is situational which is why it isn't the biggest deal. But the other unity issues are annoying

[iron yacht]

Hi fellow demon hunters 🙂

I have a question

[royal heron]

ask away

[iron yacht]

A long time ago DOOM and DOOM II got a big update just available via Bethesda.net launcher. Last year the same big update became available in Steam, Am I right?

[hallow herald]

Freedoom?

[finite crag]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G80kC0BAljQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y3nDyYZwVI

[royal heron]

that's an old WR

Looper has a 32

[surreal yoke]

would it be possible to edit the game files so that the cacodemon sprite is constantly logging

*pogging

[slim willow]

yes

[surreal yoke]

how

[royal heron]

use a sprite editor and then replace the cacodemon sprites(all of them) using SLADE i think

I'm not sure if that's how you'd totally do it

but that's what I would go off of

[dusky venture]

I hate that image
just some pogging caco floating towards you shooting fireballs

don't care if there's only one, BFG comes out

[royal heron]

it would be the most cursed thing ever

[red dew]

I'm currently on a Level of Thy flesh consumed, and Im near the end where I have to fight a big cyberdemon, it blocks the exit and I'm having a hard time killing it

Because when I try to grab ammo and stuff it just destroys me every time

[dapper flint]

Have you tried shooting it until it dies ?

[royal heron]

get the invulnerability

it's pretty easy that way

follow this guide, it's pretty helpful

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMFdqAwk7UM

[dapper flint]

Shout out to big mac

What a icon

[prime lava]

And dastan 🙂

lv24 is something I'd like to grind at some point. Getting 32 would be fun (minus the wallrun)

31 might be possible.. but unlikely

[royal heron]

I've tried doing lvl24 a couple of times nomo

with monsters... the pinkies in the blue room are easily the worst part

[prime lava]

Yeah that part also sucks

[plucky wyvern]

What happened to the plutonia 2 homepage

[finite crag]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/805863292479602728/898334567985975316/doomguy_crop.gif

i just found this emote and its too funny not to share

[past field]

hey guys Im playing nuts.wad

wait guys why is my laptop heating up-

oh nevermind

[rancid charm]

guys im almost done with knee deep in the dead

[zenith berry]

Try playing nuts.wad with Brutal Doom and Reshade.

[rancid charm]

ok

but i play on xbox :´)

[eternal lance]

how to kill your pc way more quickly than by playing crysis remastered on highest graphics 101

[past field]

add motion blur and you’ll explode your PC quicker than running doom eternal on a windows 7 PC with the lowest specs ever using a steam emulator to actually run the game.

[rancid charm]

pc detonation tutorial

[eternal lance]

IED instructions

[fast mortar]

Amazing walkthroughs + soothing voice = mastttaaapiece content

[rustic bane]

n

[surreal yoke]

epic

[queen depot]

I always thought of BigMacDavis as one of those people that sound like your dad explaining a game to you. cool and wholesome. I remember a few years ago (2017ish?) when my dad sent me an old school page detailing Ultimate DOOM's secret areas entirely in ASCII (black text on blank white page, basic/default font). I lost the link unfortunately. he was into DOOM in the 90s and let me play FPS games he owned growing up in the early 2000s. I need to talk to him more

[zenith berry]

Your dad's so awesome!

My dad even played Doom, and Wolfenstein 3D, in the 90s, I still remember my dad reminiscing about the latter (because he saw me playing Wolf3D)

[wild lotus]

Why are all the dads cool and based except mine ?

Well at least my big bro played it around 2014 and I found it while looking through his pc, and I'll make sure to teach it to his son

[prime lava]

My dad never played doom as a kid, but he watched his cousins play it, heh

[terse dome]

Hello

I have question can i play doom clone on GZdoom ? And Will my pc explode if i do so?

Guys?

[royal heron]

Uh, no?

And wdym by "doom clone"?

[terse dome]

Chex quest

[royal heron]

Oh

Just call it chex quest then

And no it won't make your computer explode

Idk where you got that from

It takes a lot to make a computer explode

[past field]

it takes nuts.wad with project brutality and motion blur to do that

but Im sure you're not insane enough to do it

now that I think about it, I think I wanna do it

[terse dome]

Nuts 3

[terse dome]

Oh soo your gonna explode your pc? Your "NUTS"

"drum rolled" hahahaha funni joke! (I wanna kill myself)

[royal heron]

every port has its use

except doomsday, that port is literal trash

[eternal lance]

ugly-ass 3d models with no shading 🤢

[royal heron]

^

[past field]

agreed

[royal heron]

no shading makes it look like dogshit

so unnatural

[past field]

reject doomsday
use eternity

[royal heron]

the only thing good about doomsday is the launcher GUI

[past field]

yeah

other than that, its dog shit

even without the 3D models, it looks bad

it just feels
wrong

[royal heron]

3D textures don't belong in doom, go to quake for that tbh

[past field]

like GZDoom changed a shit ton of stuff and kinda fricked up the RNG and stuff, but at least it looks actually good

[royal heron]

just turn off texture filtering and everything pretty much gucci, and do some other stuff if you want more vanilla

but doomsday is just fucked

[past field]

yeah, theres no going back to vanilla lookin goodness, its just disgusting and you have to accept it

[royal heron]

the chaingun just looks so wrong not being a sprite

the smooth barrels make me wanna barf

and oh god, they massacred the shotgun pumping animation

[past field]

and I dont think it even has anything really special in terms of gameplay and modding

[royal heron]

and the most heretical of all... they fucked up the super shotgun reload

[royal heron]

yeah I think it's only 3d textures too :/

wait a second, world smoothing?

can't believe they didn't straight up admit they didn't want to say texture filtering

dynamic lighting, yadda yadda yadda... all the features Doomsday has can be replicated in GZDoom

[past field]

GZDoom has limitless possibilities with modding, PRBoom+ and DSDA-Doom are great options to play classic doom with some cool features, and boom compatibility along with limit-removing mod compatibility, crispy doom is a great source port for veterans who want to spice up things a little, and chocolate doom is for fans who want to experience classic doom on modern hardware, along with a few cool enhancements

these source ports make doom different in a way so players wont get bored with doom, but not change it too much

but doomsday just throws all that shit away and just makes it bland

I mean I guess it does something but its just shit

[royal heron]

chocolate doom is a great source port for veterans who want to spice up things a little, and chocolate doom is for fans who want to experience classic doom in widescreen, along with a few cool enhancements

I think there's a few uh mistakes in here

I know one of em is crispy doom, but the other choco doom has to be another port right?

[past field]

yeah

I type fast, so I make a few mistakes

[royal heron]

i don't think choco doom had widescreen actually

that's crispy

choco is kinda like DOS 2.0

[past field]

it has widescreen I think

[royal heron]

lemme recheck rq

[past field]

lemmi check

[molten iron]

Choco is just Doom but for modern systems

It doesnt have any QOL improvements

Thats why crispy exists

[past field]

oh it isnt in widescreen

changed it to "on modern hardware"

its the best I can think of, okay?

[eternal lance]

doomsday chaingun is balls

[royal heron]

^^^

[past field]

never saw it, but I'll trust you

[eternal lance]

technically speaking

is crispy doom even worth using in a time where we have stuff like prboom+ ?

not trying to insult crispy or anything

[past field]

I mean, it looks really cool

and it plays well

[eternal lance]

prboom has it's comp levels that allow you to run the game the way the picked iwad worked

so i don't see the reason to play in crispy or choco

[next idol]

what version of classic doom should i play

[eternal lance]

what do you mean by that

[pearl osprey]

choco allows you to experience doom exactly as it was in the 90's so it has a purpose

[eternal lance]

makes sense

better than dosbox ig

[past field]

I have it just because it has an option for weapons to still sway while shooting and reloading

[molten iron]

It even has the same setup screen

[eternal lance]

👀

[royal heron]

Because i want to ruin your day, here's how the Doomsday chaingun looks like Doodles

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/854794877594501143/910912074442502184/Screenshot_20211118-101852.jpg

[past field]

EW

what the actual shit is that?!

[royal heron]

Agreed

[past field]

and the doomguy hud

it looks disgusting

[next idol]

this looks like a minecraft texture pack from 2013

[eternal lance]

it's so ugly

• who messed the doomguy's face this bad

[past field]

it looks like if id software hired a game bootlegger to model and sprite the weapons and textures/graphics

please dont tell me the monsters have models too

[eternal lance]

doomsday models looks like something you'd see during an acid trip

[eternal lance]

THEY DO

[past field]

NOOOOO

[next idol]

show the models

[eternal lance]

https://youtu.be/V2Ddl4CM4ao?t=32

[royal heron]

I screenshotted t the wrong time so fortunately the entire thing is not shown

the whole model looks even worse than that little snippet

[past field]

why are we still here?
just to suffer?

[eternal lance]

3d =/= better

doomsday engine is the perfect example of that

[past field]

they look like world of warcraft NPCs

[eternal lance]

they look like models from an amateur half-life 1 mod with the goal being to replace every model while the creator can barely use blender

[past field]

THE GIBS

they ruined them

(god I hate the "too many caps" rule)

[past field]

OH MY GOD

guys, I have just solved the problem with low fps on GZDoom

or I think I have, cuz I cant confirm that it works on other PCs

its to just switch to vulkan

welp imma just play golden souls

[royal heron]

yeah Vulkan or OpenGL ES can solve both problems

Vulkan was pruposeully designed with lower-end gaming in mind

and OpenGL ES was what GZDoom-GLES used, which was a fork for GZDoom for potato computers

but now since it's integrated into regular GZDoom it's made that fork pretty much obsolete

the player and monster animations in that video...

oh my god they're so shitty

[past field]

how do I change my game on chocolate doom?

it always runs doom 2, and I cant find any option for what game to run

[fresh umbra]

.cmd files, i can DM you an example one for you, or just drag the .wad and put it on top of the chocolate doom exe, or open the setup exe but that skips straight to a level

[past field]

okay thanks for the help!

also do you mean .cfg files? I cant find any.

[fresh umbra]

No you’ve gotta make .cmd files

Using .txt files

Let me send you an example one

[past field]

okay

[cosmic pagoda]

okay I reached map11 of plutonia 2 and I am scared

[dapper flint]

You'll be fine bro

[dapper flint]

Why

[fickle adder]

Map 11 of plutonia 2 is one of my least favorite maps ever

80+ viles is just too much

To tedious without a bfg

I get it’s supposed to be like hunted

but it’s cancer and the end is unfair as fuck

[dapper flint]

Not even close to as good as hunted. Solo net hunted is a blast

[eternal lance]

solo net UV Hell

[dapper flint]

I'd recommend just solo net for hunted though. I find fast Archies to be alot easier

[finite crag]

Eviternity is tough but awesome

[dapper flint]

Definitely awesome

[halcyon willow]

It's about half that number. And jts probably my favorite map in Pl2 after go4it

[fast mortar]

eviternity is amazing, one map i dont look forward to if i replay it again is dehydration

i dont hate long maps but that was way too long for its own good

[finite crag]

I though M10: Creation was actually lagging on me (I have RTX3080, so I was appalled), then I realized it was the flashlight mod I was using for PB 3.0

Music is really good too

Still have most of it to go. It's no duckwalk.

[surreal yoke]

do you think brutal doom is still a relatively authentic doom experience?

cause i want to play classic doom but also much prefer the polished-ness of modern games

[opal blade]

I wouldn't say that Brutal DOOM has the cleanness and "polished-ness" of the modern games, but it's definitely an intense experience if that's what you're looking for.

I'd recommend Project Brutality though.

[finite crag]

PB is basically just a better version of Brutal Doom. Not sure why I'd ever go back to Brutal, unless it's Brutal Doom 64

[opal blade]

Yea, exactly.

[surreal yoke]

ok thanks

[limber mirage]

Authentic experience? Not even close

[surreal yoke]

so let's say HYPOTHETICALLY someone were to download the doom wads instead of buying doom and using the wads from doom. How illegal is that, like a 1 being jaywalking, and a 10 being murder

all hypothetically of course

definitely hypothetically

like i just want to know from a hypothetical standpoint

[dusky heron]

but before we answer. Just make it clear. Is this all...hypothetical?

[royal heron]

Not at all

Brutal Doom overhauls everything to make it a radically different game

Not that that's bad... it's just way too different

And downloading doom wads off the internet... that'd be a 3 or 4 from me

It counts as piracy which is illegal in the first place, but unfortunately because Classic Doom is such an old game we can't stop all the piracy

So that lowers the severity

If id Software actually went out looking for all the archives storing pirated Doom content and demanded them to be taken down, then downloading wads after that I would guess make it like... a 7

[halcyon willow]

About as far away from authentic doom as you can get

[royal heron]

Because similar things happened with minecraftforfree.com

Notch threatened with a lawsuit

[halcyon willow]

Piracy is bad mkay

[royal heron]

Yeah

[halcyon willow]

And against a myriad of TOS

[royal heron]

Funniest thing was that it was pretty much settled after a match of Quake 3 Arena

[gusty falcon]

Honestly ids wads are even more wide spread than Nintendos games so I'd say good luck trying to find every repository that hosted them 😅

[royal heron]

[gusty falcon]

It would be like trying to take on a hydra with 10, 000 heads id

[royal heron]

Notch tried doing the same to Bethesda after they made a ridiculous claim against Mojang for copying "The Elder Scrolls" name for a game that Mojang made 100% originally

[halcyon willow]

Anyhoo

Getting close to cacowards season

[royal heron]

That should be interesting

[halcyon willow]

I've got a pretty good feel for about half the picks

[gusty falcon]

I still stand by my statement doesn't matter how you get doom as long as you have fun

😄
Now i admit I've only just started looking at cacowards stuff

From last year

[halcyon willow]

Last year was garbage

[royal heron]

Wonder if there's gonna be any steaming piles of garbage being nominated for cacowards for memes

[halcyon willow]

The mockaward stopped ages ago

[royal heron]

How were cacowards determined again

Bunch of people playing and giving feedback?

Seems to be the simplest it can get

[halcyon willow]

Judges panel

Like .... 8 people?

[opal blade]

tbh I can see Thatcher's Techbase winning it

[halcyon willow]

Nah

It might get a mention but it plays very averagely

[opal blade]

true

[halcyon willow]

Could slide into an honorable mention? But I'd be somewhat surprised

Heartland is a lock

[royal heron]

Thatcher's Techbase has a lot of broken secrets

[halcyon willow]

Fractured worlds

[royal heron]

And Heartland is an absolute no-brainer

[halcyon willow]

Atmospheric extinction

[royal heron]

That wad is literal gold

[halcyon willow]

Arceon hopefully

1klines 3

MSCP

Tarnsmans projectile hell

[royal heron]

You think MSCP gonna be on there?

[halcyon willow]

I reckon honorable mention

[royal heron]

Possible

I've only played the first map so far but it's pretty fun

Gotta look back at it now

[halcyon willow]

It's high quality

[royal heron]

Your micro map with 1k monsters

[halcyon willow]

Not just because I have a map in it

Hey

You can beat it in 5 min

Meets the criteria 😛

For the record my best time was just under 6 min but I got a couple people to route a 5 min run to make sure it could be done lol

[surreal yoke]

yeah what even was minecraftforfree

[dapper flint]

Bridge micro map is a gem... still practicing it with controller. It's beautiful if anything

[surreal yoke]

help im stuck in deimos lab and idk where to go

somebody help

im in voice 2 if anyone would like to help

cause im dumb and dont want to use a wlakthrough

walkthrough

ok i got it

and what the frick

it was that easy

it was just a switch

it was right there the whole time

[lusty fulcrum]

L

[storm ridge]

i still playing doom 19... becauze i dont have money like biy others doom

[eternal lance]

brutal doom isn't really a purist-friendly experience,but i personally dislike it for other reasons

Beautiful DOOM mod is more of my cup of tea

[eternal lance]

doom 19 ?

🤨

[past field]

I think they mean doom 1993

[past field]

But at least we had a cool quake 3 arena match to watch

[eternal lance]

the game wasn't even out yet ?

[tawdry blade]

just finish doom 1 on my phone

[wind ingot]

is there a way to have GZDoom show up in your discord status

like have it say how long Ive been playing for

[past field]

search up "GZDoom discord rich presence"

you'll probably find something like I did

[past field]

what do you mean?

[finite crag]

the original doom was released in 1993

[eternal lance]

oh yeah my bad

[onyx crow]

till to this day i still use doom 95 as my source port

[eternal lance]

jump over to crispy doom

[past field]

or better, PRBoom+

[eternal lance]

DSDA-doom moment

[pearl osprey]

I'm genuinely curious, why?

[cosmic pagoda]

Its 86

84

[onyx crow]

i use a lot of source port on my laptop i just don't do it on my pc since it takes half of my disk space

[torn pivot]

Psx Doom: The Ultimate Doom - Knee Deep in the Dead (UV-Max, 100%) (PsyDoom 0.8.3) Vulkan Renderer https://youtu.be/8dSs5VkIJEA

[royal heron]

nice

[past field]

I wonder, is GEC Master Edition legal?

I'd send a link for you guys to see so y'all can have a better understanding and can help, but idk if that'll be okay with the staff team

[eternal lance]

what is this

never heard of it

[past field]

its something on doomworld. I'll send a picture of it

oh wait right I cant send images here

well, I'll try to explain it the best I can.

I havent downloaded it though cuz it might actually be piracy, but from my understanding from the text, its a remake of doom psx, final doom psx, and doom 64, ported to GZDoom.

[eternal lance]

then you've read it worng

[past field]

I'll download it, play it, and see so I can get a better understanding

[eternal lance]

Playstation Doom (gec) master edition is basically a hack of psx doom with backported and simplified levels fromm ultimate doom,doom 2,final doom,master levels,sigil and such

you need a emulator/modified ps1 to play it

why modified ps1 ?

because anti-piracy measures

[past field]

"ported to GZDoom"

[eternal lance]

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/PlayStation_Doom:_Master_Edition where do you see gzdoom in here

you are definitely talking about a different thing

[past field]

but it was made by the same person who made PSXDoom ME

and also made by GEC

[eternal lance]

i think you are talking about this:
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=16480&

since it seams to port the entire psx doom to pc,then i think it counts as piracy,but i may be wrong on that

if this is doom 64 and ps1 doom ported straight to gzdoom

we might have a legal problem

[past field]

I'll volunteer to see

oh goddammit its a straight port

[eternal lance]

🥶

[past field]

but I mean, PSXDoom TC is legal, right?

[eternal lance]

highly doubt

[past field]

shit, then that means PSX doom CE isnt legal either

man, I really hope someone at id pitches a psx doom remake for PC

I'd pay a generous amount of money for it on steam

[jolly urchin]

Ps1 style doom on switch 🤔

[past field]

its not exactly a style, it changes the level design a bit, and even adds whole new levels

[finite crag]

Music is more in line with Doom 64 too. Not sure PSX Doom needs a Switch port.

[slim willow]

It could sort of work as an addon with enough work

[opal blade]

yep, like how they made quake 64 an add-on for the 2021 Quake Remastered

[twilit atlas]

Into Sandy's city and the demons dead are the best songs from doom 2 change my mind

[slim willow]

DOOM

[upper root]

yeah, that's the best song from doom 2

[tacit remnant]

Is there a trick to landing melee strikes safely? Whenever I try to do the “go in, punch, get out” thing, I always mess up the retreat timing.

[eternal lance]

if using fists:

1. make sure you have the "always run" option turned on
2. right when you hit the enemy,just immidiately go backwards
   3.if the monster started playing its melee animation,wait for it to finish (after running away from its range,that is)
   4.hit them again
   5.repeat steps 2-4 until the monster is dead

if using the chainsaw:
1.run at the monster while attacking with the chainsaw
2.hold the attack button until it dies

bonus points about the chainsaw:
-if you are trying to attack a group of demons,try strafing around and avoid holding the attack button for too long
-if you are chainsawing a enemy who is hard to stun (example: archvile),you are basically fucked when chainsawing them