classic-doom

[halcyon willow]

Everyone should experience Eternal Doom at least once though. Iconic map set

The shit they pulled off in vanilla doom is fucking nuts

[crystal hill]

I don't imagine I will love it

but I will give it a shot... eventually

[sharp wyvern]

I don’t really ‘love’ many old wads, including the official ones

[crystal hill]

I dont think I love any from the 90s

Plutonia comes the closest

[sharp wyvern]

I love the original Doom of course

[crystal hill]

I'm so burnt out on Doom 1

especially E1

[sharp wyvern]

I like TNT’s attempts at realism

Something really neat about them

[halcyon willow]

Ironically I liked TNT more than Plutonia at first when I played it ..... 25 years ago

[crystal hill]

TNT has a neatness factor, yeah... but that wears off really quick

[halcyon willow]

I like the ideas of TNT. I like what it's trying to achieve. It's just the gameplay gets incredibly bad later on lol

[crystal hill]

Plutonia meanwhile is timeless with its gameplay

[halcyon willow]

Plutonia rocks

There's a reason it's the foundation of most modern doom wads

Go2it also being arguably the first true slaughter map

[sharp wyvern]

Yeah basically

Same reason why I like Cabal though Cabal has a lot less levels and some bangers in there

[elder sage]

Got it, thanks! But I was also wondering about tips for combat. Oh! How can I get weapons back if I die on a level? Like, the rocket launcher.

[fallen kayak]

If you die in a level, you restart with just the pistol unless you reload from your last save.

[elder sage]

Right

Out of curiosity, can you pick up the rocket launcher as a secret in any other levels after the one you first find it in?

[crystal hill]

Yes

the weapons appear many times throughout the campaign

[elder sage]

Even the BFG after you first find it?

[crystal hill]

yes, all of the weapons

[elder sage]

Ah

Now I understand why you always get the pistol after you die

[crystal hill]

you always have it on you

[elder sage]

Naturally

[median cloud]

@crystal hill did you like Valiant?

[crystal hill]

Yes, quite a lot

[mortal silo]

valiant might be the best ever tbh

[crystal hill]

I wouldnt go that far, but I still think its very good, second only to Ancient Aliens in Skillsaw's repertoire

[median cloud]

Hmmm I'm not seeing it yet but maybe that's more on me

[crystal hill]

Skillsaws wads take a replay to really cement themselves for me

I didnt use to like ancient aliens much at all. Now its comfortably in my top 10 of all time, lol

[median cloud]

I do enjoy Ancient Aliens more than Valiant, seems more refined combat wise

Valiant had some grindy levels where you're basically just shooting tons of high hp monsters

I'm only at 13 tho so

[crystal hill]

I remember the skyscrapers in water in valiant, that level always confuses me progression wise

It has a lot more good than meh though

[median cloud]

yeah I know which one you're talking about

I think it's 06 or 08 close to that protect the mancubus map

I didn't like playing that one much

Same for the candlecove map

[crystal hill]

That may be the low point of my playthrough

Candlecove plays a bit better, and its beautiful, which helps

[median cloud]

Currently the aesthetic doesn't really speak to me much

candlecove is pretty I give you that

[crystal hill]

Its a bit lacking compared to AA

Not bad, but still

[median cloud]

the early maps remind me of deus vult 2

the chaingun is fun to use tho

and the custom monsters are generally good

I do miss the Eviternity lost soul which can be one shot with a shotgun haha

[crystal hill]

Really?

Deus Vult 2 is one of the most visually memorable wads I've played

[median cloud]

Yeah the early city maps of DV2

[crystal hill]

Thats only like two maps lol

[median cloud]

well DV2 is like 10 maps so

DV2 is on my todo list, some day

[crystal hill]

12

The rest are all very differebt from each other

[median cloud]

Yeah I know 01-03 is similar, 09-12 I think as well

then 18 or 19 is some egyptian map

19/20 is space tech

21-23 doom cathedral

I do want to play Map 21 it's cool

[crystal hill]

Deus Vult 2 is the earliest wad I can think of that made me go "I wish I liked it more than I did"

[median cloud]

haha I understand that. I tried playing it like months ago but didn't continue

[woven swallow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1499810919553830912/1509965991671496785/doom79.png?ex=6a1b18ea&is=6a19c76a&hm=0bc3e7b577d229f4fc71a44fea5bda0f04167afba3ec14a97be5d9e4d563eae3& I'm so fucking sad, holy shit

What a death

[edgy salmon]

Anything interesting new mod wise with uzdoom? Or it's still the same version as of last week?

[livid light]

afaik is still same 5.0.0 beta version

there’s a ttf font thing that sounds cool but idk how to use it

[slender scroll]

Started plutonia on Ultra violence,so far im at map 14. I feel like the difficulty is exaggerated. Really solid gameplay tho,just not that hard as people make it out to be

[rare wyvern]

Looking for a group to play with, 16 max
Going Down (Official), UV

Code is NRST, crossplay enabled

[upper crypt]

Still on? I’ve got a WAD we can play

It’s really fun and challenging in some parts

[median cloud]

Do you play pistol start?

[cunning compass]

Guys, is it considered cheating if I use noclip to see non-monster filled areas? (Assuming I also don’t pick up anything)

[livid light]

the codes are cheats so ye, it is

[bitter shoal]

like what was said, it's literally called a cheat code but at the same time I don't think people will care unless you are trying to do something competitive (like recording a demo).

[median cloud]

I constantly use noclip to find remaining monsters

Sometimes if a secret Im missing requires some jump I noclip back to the cliff if I fail

[crystal hill]

as do I. ZDoom is nice that it lets you bind a key to noclip

[crystal hill]

that also

[median cloud]

Just finished valiant map 31 which is a cool map but doesnt hit the same as sod31 for me

The cleanup was ugh

[crystal hill]

Its a slaughter map for beginners

Which is nice, but the cleanup is rather ehh

[crystal hill]

To be fair, I think speed of doom is far superior to valiant

Not just in terms of secret maps

[median cloud]

I agree

I dont find valiant this amazing

[crystal hill]

The longer I play Doom, the more I find Speed of Doom to be the ultimate case of lightning in a bottle

I dont love joshy or darkwave's stuff on their own (especially darkwave's), but together, they made something incredible

[crystal hill]

It's good, quite good. But far from the best I played

[median cloud]

For sure it isnt horrible

Just not as good as others Ive played

[crystal hill]

Same. But theres not THAT many that I like more.

Valiant is in my top 30 or so wads

[median cloud]

Dont think Ive played 30 wads lol

[crystal hill]

I may be a little addicted

[median cloud]

I def prefer it over requiem

But most wads Ive played I find better

I do think the combat is pretty fun on average

he keeps decent pace

[crystal hill]

I much prefer it to requiem, lol

Its better paced, looks better, and the level design is better

(Very good descriptors, I know)

Requiem is very much a 90s wad. Better than most 90s wads, but still

[median cloud]

Yeah it does have cool ideas in its maps

thats upping the ratings for sure

[crystal hill]

It has maybe my favourite map 7 ever

[median cloud]

Yeah macubian candidate is my fav map in the pack atm

[crystal hill]

Rocket zone II is probably my favourite

The secret fight is exquisite

[median cloud]

is that 27?

[crystal hill]

Yes

[rugged blaze]

Were the games ever officially branded with "DooM", or is that purely a fan spelling based off the font?

[sharp wyvern]

the bobby prince album "DooM music" is the only example i can think of

[calm lichen]

Finally got my physical copy of Doom+Doom II

Its sick as hell

[surreal yoke]

(seriously sorry about that tho, didnt know)

[finite crag]

If you bought it then you've got the iwad

[tacit remnant]

Look through your Steam files

[compact pike]

Anyone have Bethesda's support email?
Long story short: their Doom Trilogy physical is messed up, can't play my digital version anymore, limited run games said to contact Bethesda, Bethesda support website says to contact Nintendo, Nintendo says to contact Bethesda.

[hallow herald]

Woof is a good port

the lack of vanilla demo compatibility really stops it from being the go-to port though

[royal heron]

GZDoom would most probably be the best port if it weren't for my purist side coming through to notice enough differences in the strict vanilla compatibility and very little demo support ;-;

otherwise it's pretty good

my go-to is still dsda-doom tho

[halcyon willow]

It's 100% compatible with vanilla

[hallow herald]

Nono I’m talking about gzdoom

[halcyon willow]

And I am yet to see a poll where gzdoom doesn't come out as the most used port

So am I

[hallow herald]

Well yes, it’s the most compatible with mods and stuff

[halcyon willow]

It's only when you get into mapping tricks that exploit vanilla bugs that gzdoom doesn't work

Like mikoportals

And one or two visual tricks

[hallow herald]

Then you’re incorrect, because even when compatibility is set to doom strict it’s still incompatible with vanilla demos

[halcyon willow]

Demos are irrelevant to whether a wad is compatible with a port

[hallow herald]

I’m not talking about map compatibility

[halcyon willow]

You're conflating 2 different things

[hallow herald]

When I say vanilla compatibility

I mean with demos

[halcyon willow]

The lack of demo vanilla demo compatibility doesn't stop it from being used

Most demos are recorded in dsda

[hallow herald]

The fact is that gzdoom is simply not faithful to the original in terms of gameplay

[halcyon willow]

Crispy is only used for iwad runs

[hallow herald]

I’m not saying people don’t use it

[halcyon willow]

It is faithful

[hallow herald]

I’m saying it’s not my go to

[halcyon willow]

It's not exactly the same but the vanilla compatible setting is close enough

[hallow herald]

It’s not, because elements of the original like the rng have been changed

Therefore, it’s not faithful

[halcyon willow]

The rng is almost identical

[hallow herald]

It’s definitely still doom, but it’s not faithful

Therein lies my issue with gzdoom

It lacks vanilla accuracy

[royal heron]

most people seem to gravitate towards GZDoom because it's the first recommended option 🤔

but otherwise it's a great port and has it's own purposes

[halcyon willow]

Cool story bro. 99% of users don't care

[hallow herald]

Hence why I prefer ports like chocolate doom

[gusty falcon]

Accuracy exchanged for versatility

[royal heron]

it's not 100% accurate but I feel like most people wouldn't notice/not exactly care too much esp if they're new to the doom scene

[hallow herald]

Again I’m not saying it’s not widely used

I’m saying personally it’s not my go-to

[royal heron]

only the people who've played a more accurate vanilla port can feel the small differences

[hallow herald]

Which doesn’t matter all that much

But what I’m saying is that I don’t find that a versatile port is all that worth it if it isn’t faithful

It’s why in my personal opinion no matter the bells and whistles of a port, whether it’s faithful ends up being the deciding factor

[royal heron]

to all their own, I suppose

but then again we can't have perfect things

[halcyon willow]

Except crispy is one of the least versatile ports. Can't play anything not doom format

[royal heron]

and some things need to be exchanged in order to support other things

[hallow herald]

And

Oh no my timing

[halcyon willow]

Ah sorry misread your statement

[hallow herald]

In my personal opinion crispy isn’t all that great

[royal heron]

I honestly see no purpose in colored blood

[hallow herald]

I prefer woof

It’s almost a crispy boom of sorts

[halcyon willow]

Crispy is the standard for iwad speed running iirc

It's what Dime uses

[royal heron]

crispy is a good port for a more vanilla experience but imo boom based ports are just better for what they can run

[hallow herald]

Yeah but apart from speedrunning there’s not much to it

[royal heron]

it's basically the most faithful besides dosbox and choco, but with QOL improvements that everyone enjoys

[gusty falcon]

Now that I can actually play PR boom plus I'd have to agree

[hallow herald]

Especially since there are other,
Better ports that also have vanilla demo compatibility

[royal heron]

that's my reasoning for it being big in the speedrunning scene

although it's now being pushed out by the port that specializes in speedrunning, DSDA-Doom

[hallow herald]

Dsda-doom is the holy grail

Although the software mode runs like trash on my machine

So I use the OpenGL renderer

Which doesn’t look as nice but I still like it

[gusty falcon]

I pretty much just stuck boiled doom and Andrews idkfa in and just played doom 1 normally for my test

Minus no jumping it was pretty nice

[royal heron]

I remember playing on a 120 FOV in OpenGL

those were the old and dark days

[hallow herald]

Indeed

[royal heron]

when I liked a high fov in every game

[hallow herald]

I used to play doom with 110 fov

And now I play with 90 in doom and doom engine games

[royal heron]

but the fov kinda fucked up the level design a bit so I reverted to 90

[hallow herald]

But for quake I play with 130

[hallow herald]

Ah

[royal heron]

quake understandable

[hallow herald]

Yeah the one thing that fucks with me in ports like edge

Is that the fov just makes the image taller

[gusty falcon]

Full 3d games can accommodate for the change in fov alot better

[hallow herald]

So the whole level becomes a tiny crack in the wall

[slim willow]

hell yeah

[royal heron]

yeah since I need to look at level geometry to make sure I don't crash into walls and lose speed, or look at key setups for things like squeeze glides and void glides, etc

[hallow herald]

Yeah

Makes sense

But yeah personally I have no reason to use gzdoom

Cus playing with mods personally isn’t my cup of tea

And anyone who plays doom with bloom and texture filtering is dead to me

[royal heron]

i think texture filtering is a thing that most people agree is just objectionably terrible

some people like it, alright they do themselves, but it just looks like smeared shit

it's a blurry mess of mixed colors snd just makes everything look worse imo

[halcyon willow]

Bloom is godlike when done right

[slim willow]

And when it's not, it makes your eyes hurt, literally.

[hallow herald]

Yes but I’m talking about shitty bloom

Like “dynamic lights makes the nearby enemies look like melting plastic” kind of bloom

[halcyon willow]

Uh I've never seen bloom do that

[mild spire]

hi im new to gzdoom and wads and all that how do i put my wads in the wad selector

[dapper flint]

Blooms pretty okay honestly. As long as it doesn't effect gameplay

[halcyon willow]

For custom wads you can just drag them onto gzdoom.exe
You will need to have the iwad in the same folder as gzdoom (doom2.wad etc)

[finite crag]

zdl for streamlining mods in zdoom ports

makes it a lot easier to load multiple wads at the same time

[opal blade]

zdl is very great

[finite crag]

yes i agree

also Eternity best sourceport

[vivid vine]

Long as you dont ask them to fix solo net or add UV Plus

[slim willow]

ZDL is great for non-ZDoom too. It's just, good.

[slim willow]

Nahhh

[dapper flint]

I understand they're busy but it does suck it doesn't have solo net

[fresh umbra]

I like crispy doom

[dusky venture]

I like my doom medium rare.

[royal heron]

👀

[hallow herald]

I like my doom extra crispy

[royal heron]

extra chunky, anyone?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/854794877594501143/905659133469028362/Screen_Shot_2021-11-03_at_11.25.37_PM.png

[dapper flint]

Oh hey unity finally got that res fix

[tacit remnant]

Is bunnyhopping a thing in ZDoom?

[eternal lance]

it's chocolate doom,but with some additional options and higher resolution

you can also use PRBoom+ if you want

[pearl osprey]

There's a mod for that but you can't do it by default IIRC

[tacit remnant]

Okay

Thanks

[fast mortar]

is there any way to change the midi in Prboom+?

[pearl osprey]

Yeah you juat drop in the midi you want inside the wad using slade

Then name it according to the map slot

https://doom.fandom.com/wiki/Doom_II_music

For example if you want to change map01 midi, you get any midi you want online or you made yourself

Then put it inside your wad using slade and name it d_runnin

[fickle adder]

[fast mortar]

Thankss

[onyx crow]

Here's a quick fact on how to change the midi on doom 2

If you see a name with "D_" on it, that means it's a music

[slim willow]

If I remember right, the music is placed in the correct order in the DOOM 2 wad itself, like it goes D_RUNNIN, D_STALKS, D_COUNTD, D_BETWEE, etc.

So you can use that as a point of reference too.

[random turret]

Gay

[slim willow]

"Butthead" but you have Beavis as your pfp. You like, suck or something.

[dapper flint]

Hahahahaha fail

[halcyon willow]

It is in zandronum (due to higher air control)

[tacit remnant]

Okay that’s cool

[lethal moat]

is there any way to get sensitivity lower than 1 on crispy doom without it going straight to 0

[fresh umbra]

Lower your mouse DPI

[lethal moat]

i tried it but the horizontal mouse movement still a bit jagged

[pearl osprey]

I am very sure there isn't, you have to lower your DPI or your mouse sensitivity from your operating system settings

[lethal moat]

okay thanks

[lethal moat]

jesus christ you killed him

[fresh umbra]

Im finally trying to get through master levels for doom 2, with txt2doom

[halcyon willow]

Text 2 doom is glorious

[fresh umbra]

Nvm master levels is too ughhhh

[pearl osprey]

They're difficult aren't they

I couldn't get past map (5?) in plutonia

[fresh umbra]

Plutonia is far more difficult

Master levels are just, there’s like two good ones from what I’ve heard

They’re boring really

[pearl osprey]

oh I thought they were plutonia difficulty

[fresh umbra]

No lmao

[pearl osprey]

I actually have them on steam but I never played them

should I play them?

[fresh umbra]

Only the Casali brothers can make plutonia difficulty

[fresh umbra]

Probably not

[finite crag]

Is TNT a bore too?

[pearl osprey]

I thought TNT was quite fun

but I didn't finish the whole thing so I can't say for sure

[fresh umbra]

It’s good

[dapper flint]

Plutonia 2 is harder

[fresh umbra]

Plutonia 2 isn’t official and I’ve got too many other games to play

Plus I was absolutely not having fun later in plutonia, I don’t care for grueling difficulty

[dapper flint]

And plutonia 3 on the way. Dario is doing a playthrough of 2 right now and having a blast. Id say that's as offical as I need

[fresh umbra]

Again I don’t like grueling difficulty

[halcyon willow]

I might be getting him on my podcast 😉

[dapper flint]

Oh shit !!!! Dude I'd watch that so fast. I bet you have some epic questions ready

[halcyon willow]

Yeah it's gonna be dope. I didn't realize he's had such a long game dev career after plutonia

[dapper flint]

I honestly don't know anything about him outside final doom

[fresh umbra]

I think hes part of the TF2 team?

[pearl osprey]

at this point I don't think there is anyone left in the TF2 team

[halcyon willow]

He definitely worked at valve for a time but I think that was before tf2

[vivid vine]

Hes in the opening credits of Half Life

He was a Valve level designer

All the way to Portal 2 I think

Was on a podcast I stumbled into where someone else was interviewing him. He had no awareness of Plutonia 2 or Revisited or the plutmidi. He was however using a program to design a house he was going to have built

[halcyon willow]

He's very much aware of them now 😉

[vivid vine]

He had a section of talking about where Milo went I cant remember

Different game company. A Canadian branch I think

They also discussed Dario at the 90s Doom deathmatch tournament

He made second place and got a high end sound blaster. The winner got that Ferrari from Carmack

[dapper flint]

Hell ya. Still need to spill the beans on 3 ... I know you know what's going on 👀

[surreal yoke]

so i'm playing doom 1, and when i beat episode 1 the game just freezes on the credits

i kill the barons, step on the icon of sin pressure plate thingy, die to the room of enemies, credits come on, and the game won't do anything else

help me

[royal heron]

then you could try playing on a lower difficulty

plutonia as stated by i think... milo casali? was for people who mastered Doom 2

[stuck linden]

anybody know where I can find the Icon of Sin death sound? I neeeeeeeed it :(

[slim willow]

press new game and select the 2nd episode

[royal heron]

^

[halcyon willow]

inside doom2

[slim willow]

As Bridgeburner said, inside DOOM2.WAD, sound should be dsbosdth. Use Slade 3 Doom Editor to open up wads. If you don't have DOOM2.WAD or a Final Doom wad, I can't help there, lol.

[echo ore]

Sorry bridge, but I have to disagree with you here. GZDoom is great, but far from a faithful port. Just see the ship sequence on my Ray Mohawk map and compare it with a cl2 port. That or the fact that I had to almost rebuit D4V on decorate should be enough to show it's problems in terms of compatibility. >_<

[halcyon willow]

i'm not sure you understand what compatible means

i've never had issues with D4V on gzdoom

[echo ore]

exactly, because I had to "redo" a few things on decorate in order to work properly

I want to make a list in the future that hopefully will be helpful to the GZDoom staff. I would love to see the port improved on that front as well.

[halcyon willow]

D4V even works with zandro

[echo ore]

zandro also accepts decorate

an older version of decorate*

[halcyon willow]

wait so, i'm assuming that you're refering to dehacked things that didn't work in gzdoom so needed decorate?

as far as i'm aware dehacked isn't vanilla comapt either

needs crispy as a minumum?

[echo ore]

nah, dehacked is vanilla... you may be confusing with BEX (the boom version of dehacked)

[halcyon willow]

probably

[echo ore]

I mean, dehacked have a "vanilla format" (it's what I'm trying to say)

[halcyon willow]

i'm still going to posit that dehacked compatible is not the same as vanilla compatible

given that dehacked didn't exist when doom was released

as opposed to running a pure vanilla doom (ie doom in doom format) wad

semantics i know

[slim willow]

Pretty sure you need a separate EXE to get dehacked working on dos

[halcyon willow]

but this is what happens when i eat hot sauce

[echo ore]

exactly, semantics lol

in practice dehacked is vanilla compatible as it's inserted directly on doom2.exe

[halcyon willow]

yes but is dehacked vanilla?

a question for the philosophers

[echo ore]

or chocolate compatible if you wish lol

[halcyon willow]

see if you really want to get picky

chocolate is not vanilla

because it removes the saver game buffer limit

[slim willow]

This will be discussed by philosophers for the rest of human civilization.

[echo ore]

nor 99% of vanilla compatible maps

[halcyon willow]

(this is the argument i raise when i want to rile up AD_79 )

indeed

[echo ore]

🙂

[halcyon willow]

[limber mirage]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/734102870215098401/906045576150401044/image0.jpg

Let’s do this

[eternal lance]

they aren't really good

no wonder they were in the same box as a 1800+ wad disc

[tacit remnant]

The Master Levels are weird

I think they’re mediocre rather than actually terrible but yeah they’re not remembered fondly

[eternal lance]

still better than D!ZONE

[dapper flint]

Chosen one

[fast mortar]

How i be looking at the walmart cashier after she hit me with that 5 dollar pepper spray

[past field]

how do I get the No Rest For The Living wad from doom 2 on steam/gog/bethesda.net?

[prime lava]

It's in add ons of d2 steam

[past field]

yeah, but I want the actual wad to use with source ports

[fresh umbra]

It’s with doom 3 BFG edition

[past field]

but I dont have that

[fresh umbra]

That’s what it’s exclusive to

[fresh umbra]

I found it, it’s a little odd though there’s some extra data I’ll try to figure out what it is but you can access all the wads you have downloaded for the unity port at C:users[your username]\Saved Games\id Software\doom 2\wads

Each file there is in the order of download I think, or maybe in the order of release? It’ll either be 3 for you or something else. Open that folder and check for nerve1.jpg, with the folder with that in it change the file with the same number as the folder to NERVE.wad and there you go

[fresh umbra]

There’s 3 extra files from what I can see, a text file that’s for the unity port, and two images, no idea why the images are so large

[azure nimbus]

in Tangerine Nightmare map7, there is a megasphere by the archvile next to the bridge. How do we get up there? it's not a secret. I beat the map yesterday and idk how to get there, haunting me

[fresh umbra]

Archvile jump?

[azure nimbus]

archie is facing the wrong way for that

unless maybe using a different archie...eh maybe. if so, wouldn't be worth planning unless taken accidentally

[past field]

But heres the thing
The files show as just, well, files.

When I look at the file type its file

And theres just “3” and “metadata”

[fresh umbra]

Yeah add .wad to the 3 file

[past field]

Along with the pictures

[past field]

Oh, thanks!

[fresh umbra]

It’s a wad file without the wad header for windows to detect

[past field]

Okay, cool

[soft pond]

Plutonium makes me want to cry

[prime lava]

it's a fun wad, but rough for first timers

if you're on UV, you might want to kick it down to HMP or HNTR

[robust bridge]

Wolfenstein protagonsit is Doomguy's maternal grandfather and Billy Blaze's paternal grandfather

Billy's father changed surname to Blaze when moving to US

pls stop joking.

Boom is the name of a source port able to dynamically load Executable Hacks

[finite crag]

ayyyyyyy I remember sonic boom

[dusky venture]

I've finally beat Plutonia on UV ^-^

[opal blade]

holy shit, congratulations.

that's impressive

I heard mad shit about plutonia

[fast mortar]

I've beaten plutonia on UV as well, but i save scammed most of it..

[dapper flint]

Ain't that bad my friend

[opal blade]

man, saving ain't really a problem. it's still a very hard wad and you should save whenever you want lol.

[opal blade]

Yea, I heard that it's pretty good but hard though.

[dapper flint]

Not saving builds skill though. That's my only take on that. But if you're only looking for fun save away

[opal blade]

true

[fast mortar]

I've beaten doom 1 and 2 while savin only at the start of each level and on UV but TNT and plutonia i cant, especially TNT since i dont wanna be replaying 20 minute long levels again and again, sounds tedious as hell

[dapper flint]

It really isn't by the 3rd attempt because you didn't save and learned the map you cut the time down

[opal blade]

good job. my advice is to not play sunlust after all

[dapper flint]

One of the advantages of no saving

[fast mortar]

If i ever play sunlust im expecting to save every 20 seconds

[fast mortar]

True but TNT especially has long ass maps that you cant just cut through and still have to kill monsters

[dapper flint]

Yeah I'd probably want to play Sunlust a few times before no saves for sure

[dapper flint]

I'm saying if you don't save you learn the map and the combat loop so it becomes less tedious. Where saving you're not learning much and chances are after your 30th replay of the map with saves you're doing the exact same thing you did the first time

That's what I found for myself anyways

[fast mortar]

You're right at that, its definetely something to help you improve yourself at the overall experience, i can maybe try it on a few wads but i aint certain

[dapper flint]

A good example is like throwing a basketball but you get a save before your every shot. You'll get it in but you've taken away the chance for you to practice and get better. I don't know it's hard to explain really

[fast mortar]

Yeah i get it, i mostly save 3-4 times on an average map nowadays, its not much but it helps me remember the overall map better

I'll be damned tho if i ever try to no save something like eviternity

[dapper flint]

Yeah and I did the same. Usually what I do is one playthrough with as many saves as I want. Second 4 saves third 2 and forth 1 then none

[fast mortar]

Best strategy I think

[dapper flint]

For Harder maps I mean it really depends

[halcyon willow]

I save before and after fights on challenge wads, and every 5 min or so on easy stuff. Mostly because I hate having to repeat stuff

[fast mortar]

Fair, especially if its a long ass battle

[halcyon willow]

glares at sunder

[dapper flint]

I've played hurt a few times now because I want to record it and you're right. It could have had 2 to 3 times more enemies per fight easily

[prime lava]

I don't really do anything saveless unless I'm demo recording lol (but I practice them in segments anyway)

[halcyon willow]

Yeah it's a bit sparse

[prime lava]

my combat sucks so sometimes I'm gonna upload a mediocre max because every so often I get motivation to get better at it 🙂

but other than that if I'm just playing through a wad for fun, I'll save

[dapper flint]

Your combats great ! You just like speed running more and that's sick !

[opal blade]

aconfusedhuman
"my combat sucks"
damn stop being so modest man

[robust bridge]

Is there a Doom level that plays like a shmup by using different types of lost soul an other flyers in a wide open area?

[royal heron]

aconfusedhuman: my combat sucks

if your combat sucks, then I'm literal dogwater

[dusky venture]

welp, time to do plutonia again but better
I only did UV, but now I have to do UV-MAX

[surreal yoke]

https://youtu.be/wrCQtlFUjZs

[dusky heron]

Mod check. I need new wads for demon slaughtering.

[fresh umbra]

Pet the cacodemon

[dusky heron]

oh my bad

[fresh umbra]

Play that wad

Or uh, PK3

[dusky heron]

i thought you meant in the literal sense

[fresh umbra]

[dusky heron]

👋

no nitro

[dusky venture]

pet them regardless

[opal blade]

cacos are kawaii

[dusky heron]

pets

[fast mortar]

Unironically one of the things that got me to play doom

[fading plover]

hey

[velvet quail]

[tacit remnant]

So is the Crusher in the Doom level of the same name known to sometimes glitch and not kill the mastermind for whatever reason? If so, how do I fix that

[dapper flint]

Press the switch again

Left pillars should give you some cover

[tacit remnant]

Okay

Why does it just clip through the Spiderdemon sometimes?

[dapper flint]

It can sometimes take a second to kill so just hide until it does.

[tacit remnant]

Okay

Thanks

[dapper flint]

No worries

[storm grail]

hhhooollllaaaa

[dawn moon]

oh boy what wad was added

oh none

[dapper flint]

Time to move on from unity my friend

[dawn moon]

i only use it on switch lmao, i use gzdoom for everything but lilith

actually running unity on steam and not gzdoom causes all colors except for black and white to be inverted, it's a problem with my apu

ywah other than switch and lilith, i use gzdoom with smoothdoom, high-res audio pack, and a custom music wad i made using andrey avkhimovich's remakes

[dapper flint]

That makes me feel better. I feel bad for unity only users waiting

[slim willow]

Oh hell yeah, best Doom remakes.

[eternal lance]

controversial opinion:

brutal doom is overrated

[slim willow]

Shh you're going to attract them

[eternal lance]

who?

[fast mortar]

small issue but can i possibly make the death screen transition less laggy in any way?

maybe its ma laptop

game runs well on gzdoom but when the meltin screen happens it lags

[hallow herald]

whomst has awakened the not ancient but still kinda mad at gzdoom one

My suggestion is to move on from such inaccurate ports

Reject gzdoom

Accelerate to eternity

[pearl osprey]

Yas

Agreed

Although I dont think that opinion is unpopular

[fresh umbra]

Crispy doom is best doom source port, nothing else is needed

[eternal lance]

prboom+ is even better

dsda-doom is even better than prboom+

[fresh umbra]

Do they have rice crispies

[pearl osprey]

I tried pretty much all modern source ports and I can say that literally all of them are so good

I can't pick a favorite

except gzdoom

[fresh umbra]

My issue is when features added just make it like, no longer doom

[pearl osprey]

its too different from the others

[fresh umbra]

Like if you want mouse look and jumping and all that, why are you playing doom

[hallow herald]

Try woof

[pearl osprey]

GZDoom insane freedom is it's biggest problem imo

it changes the game too radically

[fresh umbra]

Yeah if I ever use it I try to basically change everything back to how it should be

[hallow herald]

Even on vanilla strict compatibility

Gzdoom is still inaccurate

[onyx crow]

with that worst texture filtering

[hallow herald]

Then again take what I say with a grain of salt I like to play through dosbox with novert

[fresh umbra]

Yeah, I only use it when I have something I can’t boot in crispy doom like pet the cacodemon

Even txt2doom I use crispy doom for

[onyx crow]

and it can't even work on my laptop

[pearl osprey]

why doesn't it?

[onyx crow]

similar to mark v the error is: r6002 - floating point support not loaded

i'll try to reinstall to see if it works

[pearl osprey]

try installing dsda-doom

it's a newer fork of prboom+

[onyx crow]

ok let's see

[fresh umbra]

What’s a good source port for co-op?

Crispy doom is always too laggy for me idk why

[pearl osprey]

if you're playing lan pretty much anything works

[fresh umbra]

I mean online

[pearl osprey]

if you're connecting to a server you only really have Zandronum

[fresh umbra]

I have no friends here

[pearl osprey]

Other coop source ports are kinda dead

[fresh umbra]

Well I’m looking to play with people I know

But I’ll look into Zandronum

[pearl osprey]

You have Zdaemon, Zandronum and Odamex

[onyx crow]

well atleast it works for me now

[pearl osprey]

Zandronum and Zdaemon are ZDoom based

[fresh umbra]

But crispy doom has online it’s just laggy as shit and idk why

[pearl osprey]

but Zandronum is a lot better and more close to gzdoom

[onyx crow]

yea even my buddy i met isn't online anymore

[pearl osprey]

for Odamex I haven't got a clue since all servers have 0 players

[fresh umbra]

Zandronum I think has a mod for 3rd person weapon sprites so I’ll probably go with that

[pearl osprey]

Yeah Zandronum is probably the best option for co-op rn

[eternal lance]

cry about it

you can alos turn off those in the gzdoom options

[fresh umbra]

Why would I go through and change its vast amount of settings when Crispy doom is right there

[eternal lance]

it's literally just 2 settings

not "vast amounts" of them

[fresh umbra]

For those two yes

[pearl osprey]

oh boy here it starts

the source port wars

[eternal lance]

well,everyone can play what they want

[fresh umbra]

Literally every guide I see for making GZDoom like doom just talks about making it look like choccy doom

So I’m just skipping the settings changes for rendering and all that and using a source port that’s not practically it’s own game

[eternal lance]

how can a sourceport be a game

the only thing like that i know is doom64 ex or whatever that's called

[hallow herald]

Odamex

Decent for singleplayer too

[pearl osprey]

I wonder what source port is Odamex is based on?

[hallow herald]

Prboom+

It’s the most accurate multiplayer source port that people actually use

[pearl osprey]

That makes it quite appealing for me, sucks the most servers are empty

[hallow herald]

Yeah

But when the servers aren’t empty it’s a good experience

[eternal lance]

is the skulltag sourceport any good ?

[onyx crow]

yea wish i can play with my buddy again, i only played once on him

[finite crag]

yeah but it's dead

[pearl osprey]

skulltag is discontinued IIRC

yeah just cheked it is

[eternal lance]

is there anything that makes that port interesting

[finite crag]

there's a railgun and a grenade launcher

[eternal lance]

[finite crag]

oh no I meant grenade launcher

but other than new weapons, nah I wouldn't say it's really interesting

[eternal lance]

some stuff on realm667 seams to have the skulltag logo like weapons and powerups even

interesting stuff

[finite crag]

tho if I recall correctly, there are some wads that require skulltag

[onyx crow]

i think there some bots on it and you can even cheat on it

[dull snow]

sourceport gatekeeping is so boring 🥱

[hallow herald]

No one’s gatekeeping source ports

[olive rain]

Hello!

I just got the original doom on my switch and I am loving it!

Is it possible to jump

[finite crag]

no, unless you are using a sourceport

[olive rain]

Alright

[fresh umbra]

And even then it’s an illegal action

[fresh umbra]

Does it have a UI? I still might go for Zandronum so that I can know when I’m about to get a rocket fired in my direction because I’m playing with newbs

[hallow herald]

It does have a rather nice server list

And a good menu and stuff

[olive rain]

I can only move sideways not up or down its annoying

[pearl osprey]

You'll get used to it

[hallow herald]

The mouse?

[pearl osprey]

once you do it gets really fun

[hallow herald]

Yeah get used to it

You won’t even notice it eventually

Except when auto-aim fucks you over

[pearl osprey]

In the official doom 1 and doom 2 maps autoaim is usually fine since there aren't many open areas

[hallow herald]

Yeah

and map 29 of doom 2

With the chain gunner

You gotta be right on the edge for auto-aim to see him

[olive rain]

Nintendo switch

[hallow herald]

Ah

[pearl osprey]

Personally I am glad I never found out about freelook in my early days of playing doom

[hallow herald]

^

[pearl osprey]

if I did I would've never played doom the same way

[olive rain]

I can't shoot that 1st demon on level 1

[pearl osprey]

You only have to aim correctly horizontally

allign your crosshair with the demon

it will automatically shoot upwards

[olive rain]

Ah cool

[royal heron]

yeah some of the servers are definitely empty

but Romero hosts occasional deathmatch servers on his discord

and speaking of GZDoom...

I think it's a good port

it's very different though

but what I don't like about it the most is how it can automatically fix broken WADs/my purist side showing through and seeing flaws in the strict vanilla compatibility setting(Although that is totally not Graf's fault, it's ZDoom's fault)

[pearl osprey]

Oh yeah that, too many beginner mappers only test maps in gzdoom, where the map is broken in every way, but they don't realize that because gzdoom automatically fixes everything

[royal heron]

mhm

[pearl osprey]

its a good quality of life feature

[royal heron]

GZDoom is actually even advanced enough to patch over broken linedefs, textures, and even unbuilt nodes

[pearl osprey]

but I think there should be like a command line argument

that disables auto fixing

[royal heron]

which is good if you're strictly GZDoom(nothing super wrong with that tbh)but if you're testing a map/wad you made with only GZDoom(Unless it's a GZDoom-strict WAD), get a vanilla port ASAP

that's not called testing

maps that may not be broken in GZDoom can be hilariously broken on a more vanilla port

[pearl osprey]

I think this issue can actually be fixed without GZDoom changing anything

UDB should be more clear on different map formats

and provide just a short sentence of information

when you go to select the map format

explaining what's this format is used for and where you should playtest it

[royal heron]

that's actually a pretty good idea

[pearl osprey]

Might suggest that to the UDB github issues page if I can polish the idea

[dull snow]

Thats a mapper problem, not a port problem

And really not an editor problem to fix either- theres a lot of tutorials online and the doom wiki. There's no program that can fix laziness and lack of research.

[dawn moon]

i dont care about accuracy

ive tried chocolate doom but just prefer gzdoom, i can mod it and i love it

[hallow herald]

choco isnt the only accurate one

eternity is really good

dsda-doom is really good

though the software mode stutters a bit

even though it says it's running at 100 fps

[dawn moon]

lmao unity is made by id to be as accurate as possible

my only real gripe with the unity port is that the invincibility sphere is WAY too bright when using it

i mean its what got me into classic doom in the first place, i love the unity port to death

[full plover]

dsda-doom is my favorite boom compatible source port right now

[molten iron]

dsda-doom is the best

[royal heron]

oh you changed your pfp

[molten iron]

Just a joke with some friends

ill change back in a few days

[royal heron]

ah

[dapper flint]

I was definitely wrong about gzs controller support

It's very very good

[slim willow]

I was wrong on a lot of things regarding the port.

[dapper flint]

Not a fan of spending an hour making things look good before starting a wad hahaha

[royal heron]

Tru tru lol

It would be good to have option presets but I know the GZDoom team will just say "change it yourself you lazy bum, that feature isn't necessary"

[azure nimbus]

yeah it's awful

[pearl osprey]

Who knows maybe if you suggest it they will add it

[azure nimbus]

up to the secret map of Tangerine Nightmare...how. The fight with seemingly limitless barons and revs and pains

[royal heron]

Maybe, but I don't see it being added

[dapper flint]

More enemies means more infighting

[royal heron]

A lot of people complained about the options to graf and the team and they were like "just change em bruh, we're not changing the defaults"

[azure nimbus]

hm maybe

[pearl osprey]

If only I was a better programmer so I can fork gzdoom

[fast mortar]

Finished that wad today, well except the secret level, is it that much of a pain in the ass as I've heard??

[pearl osprey]

But even if I was, a project as complex as gzdoom cant be maintained by one person, so the GZDoom devs are the only ones who realistically can maintain such a complex source port

[azure nimbus]

Using saves I haven't been able to beat it yet. I pistol started uv maxed the rest without saves. I'll be streaming it soon on twitch.tv/mmjp08 if you want a sneak peak of me getting clapped for an hour

[royal heron]

Yeah even AFAIK GZDoom-GLES was only ported thru to PC by the Delta Touch Team

[azure nimbus]

I really don't know if I'll be able to do this one saveless

[hallow herald]

i wish doom didnt have infinitely tall monsters

and yeah i know there are source ports that change that but still

[pearl osprey]

I wish there were monsters that aren't infinitly tall but that you can't walk on top

like you can jump over them or go under them but you can't just stand on top of their head

Infinite height monsters is one of the few things that I don't really like with "purist" doom

[molten iron]

Ight time to start ancient aliens

Has anyone here played it?

[dull snow]

yes

it is awesome

[molten iron]

Im on level 5 and so far it has been great. The new sprites fit really well into Doom

[azure nimbus]

battlemode.

with no friends, you can play coop difficulty in classic with solonet or have a partner with a cyberdemon

[dapper flint]

Solo net

[hallow herald]

If you like ancient aliens check out valiant as well, i haven’t played too much of it but it’s pretty fun

[hallow herald]

is at 76 hp
gets hit by revenant missile
instakill

seems fair to me

okay i might just be a little mad that btsx is kicking my ass on uv pistol start no saves

[finite crag]

Anything new on unity port

[hallow herald]

not that i know of

[halcyon willow]

revs do 10 - 80 damage per hit (8 D10 in dice parlance) so yeah, they can hit hard. the rule is you thank them for a max damage hit

also you should save

btsx is long

[finite crag]

Have any of you been playing any cool mods lately?

[fresh umbra]

Pet the cacodemon

[finite crag]

Good video

[fresh umbra]

Good .pk3

[molten iron]

Valiant was the first pwad that Ive ever played, but I didnt like it much

[inland path]

Thatcher's Techbase

[hallow herald]

Well yeah but I’m trying to improve by playing things without saves

[hallow herald]

Ah

[eternal lance]

kdizd

[remote hare]

https://youtu.be/sZJjJYWkO8I

I really want to make a great remix out of this lol

[eternal lance]

skill issue

[celest crag]

ratio :/

[civic marsh]

Is there a new update for doom 2?

[fresh umbra]

It adds a new archvile

[pearl osprey]

there are always updates for the source ports but the game itself remains the same through out the years

[azure nimbus]

George Romero is adding a new demon dw

[eternal lance]

the

What

new archviles ?

😨

[eternal lance]

source ?

[pearl osprey]

it's a joke

[eternal lance]

thank god

[fresh umbra]

It’s blue and it’s called the Apollyon

[eternal lance]

you are quite late

this lad was in doom rpg back on symbian phones

[fresh umbra]

That’s literally what I’m referencing

[versed wren]

God, I found something worse than... Than ambush.wad

It's wow.wad

[fresh umbra]

If you want a real challenge play revenant bus

[versed wren]

I'm actually seeking for WADs that are just plain awful, not because of the difficulty but for how bad designed they are.

I deleted Maximum Doom because I just gave up

It's not recommendable.

[hallow herald]

boy do I have some wads for you pulls out the master levels

[versed wren]

Oh no

I'm going to go with Crispy Doom to play them, I guess

[cosmic pagoda]

whats your favourite plutonia map guys?

for me its a draw between map05 and map29

[royal heron]

Map32

Something about it gets my blood going

[civic marsh]

I just beat map 4 today plutonia

[prime lava]

map31? I've played it casually, it's kinda boring, but with the midi pack and in an NM100s movie.. it hits different

I think the map route and geometry is cool, the fights are boring on UV though

[civic marsh]

Im horrible at classic doom games

[molten iron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/727127304555331585/906980125843816519/Screenshot_2021-11-07_at_18.55.04.jpg

Funny 404 page from the DRD team website

[pearl osprey]

lmao

[hazy seal]

Whats a good source port for a low end laptop?

[molten iron]

prboom+ and dsda-doom are the most optimised ports i think

[prime lava]

crispy/chocolate doom should also be good for low end devices

[eternal lance]

The sky may be

[molten iron]

Does crispy have opengl?

[prime lava]

no but still

[pearl osprey]

anything prboom+ based or chocolate doom based

[versed wren]

DSDA Doom,GZDoom is not good on optimization

[eternal lance]

lzdoom is a thing

[eternal lance]

unity port,PRBoom+/DSDA-doom

[finite crag]

Have any of you played the doom RPG?

[opal blade]

Yep, I did.

It's pretty fun imho. It's just that the combat is very trash for a DOOM game, although the reasons are legitimate - considering it as a game specifically made for phones in mid-2000s.

[finite crag]

It's just so different. A neat, weird little game

[azure nimbus]

I liked cyberden but yeah, after playing other wads which more aggressively use cybers, it runs out of steam. Still, it's a good map to introduce the notion that a cyberdemon is a regular foe.

[dapper flint]

Map 29 doom 2 is thee most fun map on nightmare hands down

[wispy fern]

DSDA for sure. I use that on a laptop that has a dual-core Pentium and very basic graphical ability and it's fine

[hallow herald]

Woof runs better

[dapper flint]

Eternity

[halcyon willow]

What port runs best depends entirely on what computer you have and what wad/mod you are playing

[hallow herald]

true

but woof is the only port i know of that runs nuts.wad smoothly on my horrible laptop

[fresh umbra]

Nuts.wad isn’t supposed to run smoothly

[finite crag]

I just played nuts, nuts 2 and nuts 3 and only 3 had any noticeable lag. idk what my specs are but I was pleasantly surprised

[fresh umbra]

Then you’ve played nuts incorrectly

[finite crag]

ok

[fresh umbra]

Anything over 5 FPS is no longer nuts

[finite crag]

Has anyone played any good, really disturbing or creepy wads?

[tacit remnant]

Supposedly Going Down is pretty creepy in places

And there’s a couple of Halloween WADs

[dapper flint]

Hurt. It's a fantastic map. 2 hours long and a great creepy midi the whole time

[tacit remnant]

One level that takes 2 hours?

[finite crag]

I will look those up!

[dapper flint]

Yeah

And it's amazing

[tacit remnant]

Warning Going Down is apparently also rather high difficulty

[dapper flint]

https://imgur.com/a/ET4KKSC

[tacit remnant]

Honestly 2 hours of one level sounds exhausting

[dapper flint]

Not at all

[dusky venture]

try 10 >.>

[dapper flint]

That's like running into that one dude at a party who thinks watching the lord of the rings movies is exhausting

Then you slowly walk away from that person

[tacit remnant]

Is it relatively low tempo or is it just expected that you save partway through and play over multiple sessions?

[dapper flint]

Visually amazing

[finite crag]

That's a cool design

[dapper flint]

Combat could be better

[royal heron]

ever heard of Thatcher's Techbase

[tacit remnant]

I like LOTR, but I can’t imagine watching all three movies in one day.

[royal heron]

[opal blade]

oh no

[tacit remnant]

I think I have but I’m unsure

I like playing Doom in shortish bursts, and I’m not in the habit of saving midlevel

Though if the level is structured to feel like a Metroidvania or something then it’s probably fine

[hallow herald]

I know

I’m saying it’s still good for benchmarking ports

If that makes sense

Like if I want to see how well a port runs

I’ll see how it fares on nuts

[royal heron]

eh it could be good but not necessarily the best test

[hallow herald]

True

I guess something like eviternity map 27 would be a better test

That also chugs on dsda-doom

[royal heron]

nuts is also sparely decorated

[tacit remnant]

How is Thatcher’s Techbase structured?

[royal heron]

since it's pretty much a joke

[hallow herald]

Yeah

[royal heron]

so in a more detailed wad you gotta take account for aesthetics as well

[royal heron]

it's a literal techbase lol, the first map has like 27 enemies but the second map has 1000+

it's 4 maps long

[tacit remnant]

Okay

[hallow herald]

Which is why I said eviternity map 27 might be a good alternative

[royal heron]

the last map you fight Margaret Thatcher revived as a cyberdemon

[tacit remnant]

But like, is it pretty linear, or more open ended?

[royal heron]

i would say it's kinda open-ended actually

[tacit remnant]

Oh that’s cool

[royal heron]

I haven't gotten through the whole thing since I don't have time lol

the first level is pretty linear tho

and it has a broken secret

at least, I'm pretty sure it is broken

[opal blade]

vega moment

[royal heron]

otherwise I don't know how to get it

wtf, that was the same message

vega is a dumbass

[tacit remnant]

Honestly I think one of the coolest things you could do with one massive level would be make a Metroid and/or Zelda 1 style nonlinear exploration Doom game

[dapper flint]

This is why no one will remember your name

[tacit remnant]

9 hours of a day to watching movies is one heck of a time commitment

[dapper flint]

And when I say lord of the rings movies I mean extended edition

[dapper flint]

One of the most romantic memories of my life

[royal heron]

Thatcher's Techbase actually has a lot of bugged secrets

they probably don't appear on GZDoom though

🙄

[royal heron]

nope, still broken on GZDoom

can't interact with them at all

[burnt hazel]

uh hey can anyone help me pls
how do you guys perform glory kills in Project Brutality 3.0

[opal blade]

you bind it in the settings, I believe. I'd say it's better to go ask questions related to that mod in their server though.

[burnt hazel]

ok thanks

[opal blade]

np

[dusky venture]

davoth? being a benevolent person and helping someone?
what has the world come to.

[pallid plaza]

#screenshots help me

[weak relic]

very important question

what here is everybodys opinion about the icon of sin

[opal blade]

One word: Shit.

[pearl osprey]

I really disliked the icon of sin, IMO map29 - The living end a much better fit for the final level

[royal heron]

ehhh... IOS fights are really boring

[dull snow]

It depends, ive played a three way icon fight and it was a lot of interesting chaos

[fresh umbra]

He has a gap between his textures on the left

Also far too obscure of a way to kill him

[shrewd quartz]

I mean he's got a big hole in his head and there's a box of rockets right on the platform you rise up on, so I feel most people would connect the dots

[fresh umbra]

I wouldn’t have, especially with how you have to fire the rockets in a specific spot on the way up

[zenith berry]

There is a Cyberdemon towards the end of the map, but you can skip right to the exit portal that will take you to Map30 - if there wouldn't be the Icon of Sin, the final act of the map would have been another encounter with the Cyberdemon as a boss, since The Shores of Hell.

[azure nimbus]

the final final fight of tangerine nightmare's secret level...how? I did it a few times but I've done hours of attempts and only did that room maybe 3 times

[spice radish]

Wonder how laggy mods like Brutal Doom would be if they released back in 1993

[versed wren]

They probably couldn't even manage to run

[royal heron]

^

[eternal lance]

they would run as well as crysis on max graphics at the time it released

i.e. VERY poorly or not at all

[spice radish]

Step 1: Go back in time
Step 2: Make GZDoom
Step 3: Make Brutal Doom
Step 4: Cry Profit

[fresh umbra]

That’s why there’s only doom 1 and 2 in the doom timeline, brutal doom destroyed the fanbase

[eternal lance]

doubt gzdoom would even run on dos

[spice radish]

Yeah your right. Could PRBoom? Could any sourceport besides DosBox work?

[eternal lance]

boom was on dos

MBF too

those could work

[zenith berry]

https://www.moddb.com/mods/boiled-doom-brutal-doom-for-doschocolate
Boiled Doom is the closest we can get of having “Brutal Doom from 1993”

DOS compatible!

[finite crag]

actually wasn't Zdoom on dos as well?

[eternal lance]

it wasn't at all

i think it only started to be worked on there,a few months before boom iirc

not like any full release got there

[halcyon willow]

Zdoom was released before boom by a few months

[eternal lance]

🤯

[halcyon willow]

Yeah it's wild lol

I'm not sure when betas and test builds were first available but in terms of a 1.0 releases zdoom just pipped boom out the door

[eternal lance]

interesting

[halcyon willow]

Also re: icon of sin fights, in terms of the context of the actual release, it's a great idea. If it wad 1994 and the first time you've seen it, it's a unique and interesting boss concept. Now however, there have been 8 million ios fights made and this definitely a star concept. You do occasionally see something different, like in speed of doom map 30 (I think that's the one with then tower and 100 ios spawners). Plutonia 2's go 4 it has a fun ios finisher too.

Actually there was a HSS speed map that had a great ios fight

But it is rare to find something novel with the ios these days.

[gray heath]

Wo2

[vivid vine]

I had an idea of how I'd have done the fight, and it actually uses some of the same tricks they did, which took me a while to theorize on. This kind of thing occupies my brain a lot. Doom 2 was more limited than what later titles using the same engine did, and I used to think on it like it had the capabilities of Heretic, Hexen, Strife, or Doom 64. What I'd have done is have the big bad red devil man they wanted to avoid but give him extra added help under the illusion the monster was doing it, with the same boss eyes and boss targets the Icon uses. Have them in intervals say, dropping meteors on those targets, or doing archvile attacks against them, not constantly of course. The big monster is immune to these things and is still your real target, and his actual attack can be I dunno, a red bfg ball? At best lazy Nitrogolem style homing. That and instant death melee to make BFG baiting it a bad idea. Obligatory 6666 HP. I could probably cobble this together if I could sprite. We got what we got.

[finite crag]

hmm...

I wonder if it's possible to even use the dos version of zdoom

[spice radish]

I imagine the Dos version of ZDoom was updated to the current version.

[dapper flint]

It really looks insane I need to try it

[azure nimbus]

the rest of this mapset, I could do in a few tries without saves. but this....idunno

[tough matrix]

How i can kill a cyberdemon with a gun ?

[dapper flint]

Pro tip https://imgur.com/a/WDIiYp6

[tacit remnant]

Better plan: get Barons to do it for you

[tall tiger]

i was wondering if there is a way to quick swap on doom 2

[royal heron]

nope

[azure nimbus]

what is the intended mechanic though? I've had different swap mechancs from unity to eternity: on eternity, if I run out of ammo for my current weapon, it'll auto swap me to the next weapon in priority that I have ammo (plasma, ssg, chaingun, shotgun,...). But on unity, I can swap it to any weapon I like when I run out of ammo and if I pick up ammo during the last firing animation (say shoot bfg with 40 cells and pick up a cell pack as it fires), it would stay on that weapon.

[royal heron]

In vanilla, there's a preset of every weapon when you run out of ammo for your current one

If you pick up ammo for the gun you ran out of ammo(i.e a shotgun) it will automatically swap to that weapon

Decino has a good video about this

Brb

[azure nimbus]

right, but can I cancel the swap and choose another weapon as it goes? I've seen that

[royal heron]

https://youtu.be/GLeMj-OYV1c

[royal heron]

Yes

Anyway, can't automatically timestamp on mobile so weapon swapping is at 3:09

If you pick up a berserk pack for example, pressing a weapon key while your main weapon is lowering will cause that queued weapon to swap instead of swapping to the fist

[azure nimbus]

That works. But not if it runs out of ammo for me. I can override the new weapon/berserk swap but not no ammo swaps

[finite crag]

Doom 2 switch version map 2 i can’t get across

[thorn marten]

Anyone been playing that Doom 32x romhack that came out recently. It's very impressive, it can be comfortably compared to the DOS version in terms of playability, plus the Sega FM sound fits Doom's soundtrack like a glove, I've been loving what I've been playing so far.

[slim willow]

What's it called?

[thorn marten]

Doom 32x Resurrection. You have to download a patch and apply it to a European ROM of the 32x port of Doom, but there's plenty of videos and tutorials that show you how to do all that on YouTube.

[slim willow]

Thank you.

[thorn marten]

You're welcome mate.

[finite crag]

Mountain map how exact gotta be to exit

[thorn marten]

Oh, you gotta be running fast enough to pass that gap, try turning autorun to yes if that option exists.

[finite crag]

Switch port

[thorn marten]

I am unfamliar with the Switch port, I mostly play random source ports on various PC platforms.

[tacit remnant]

Switch port is pretty bleh. Just hold run and give yourself room to accelerate

[finite crag]

I just wish the 32x port had strafing

[dapper flint]

For unity you need to be at a 40 degree angle and sprint to sr50 it isn't just hold the sprint button

You should have always run on anyways

[finite crag]

Let me know if this isn't the proper channel, but has anyone tried Freedoom?

yes

[finite crag]

#videos

[fresh umbra]

Are you starting with doom 2?

[finite crag]

No I was playing doom

[fresh umbra]

That’s a doom 2 map

[finite crag]

I was

[royal heron]

turn autorun on

you're just walking

or hold the run button

[eternal lance]

(shift by default)

[fresh umbra]

They’re on switch so it’s left trigger

[sleek escarp]

Is there a certain way to get better at strafe running or is it just practice

[pearl osprey]

You just play the game normally and eventually you'll get good at it

You can also try speedrunning to learn it even faster

[sleek escarp]

I’ve been speedrunning Chex quest but I keep bumping into walls and stuff

[pearl osprey]

You'll improve with time

[prime lava]

you could grind doom II map31 nomo, straight lines and many doors, pretty raw movement practice

[royal heron]

basically what aconfusedhuman said

also good for SR50 practice if you ever want to learn that

or, if you also want to, set your aspect resolution to 4:3

[leaden hornet]

whats the fastest firing weapon in classic doom and is there a way to make it fire faster

[royal heron]

plasma rifle, and no there's no way to make weapons fire faster

how would you even do that

[leaden hornet]

dam

[royal heron]

and why say dam, it alreadys fires super fucking fast

[dusky venture]

c magic

[leaden hornet]

what if it fired faster??

[royal heron]

no need to -_-

[dusky venture]

then it'd be even more useful than it already is

[vivid vine]

It fires fast hard and hot

[royal heron]

tru tru

[leaden hornet]

understandable

[vivid vine]

If the plasma gun shot faster you'd go deaf

[leaden hornet]

a small price to pay for weapon

[vivid vine]

Doom 64 chaingun is faster. Glorious

Actually if the plasma gun were even faster and angrier it'd be the Thunderbolt

[leaden hornet]

[finite crag]

dehacked

[eternal lance]

shhh

you are going to wake him up

[grim pollen]

Im aliveeeee, whats everyone been up to in doomland? My idiot brain said go for it map 30 scythe -fast. Regrets galore 😦

[dapper flint]

That doesn't sound very fun

[hallow herald]

dehacked magic, too

[grim pollen]

I've gotten to the red key clearing that really ugly group of revenants/archviles that spawn in but still gotta route what to do afterwards to finish up the blue key switch. It's so common that map 30's are a joke after the penultimate map but Erik Alm is an exception.

[halcyon willow]

Just don't get hit

[grim pollen]

Add that as the protip to your content when it's out Bridge. But not until the player dies like 10 times. Instead of a comment about Sentinel Armor like doom eternal you get that protip.

[finite crag]

Doom 1: Hp was always maxish Doom 2; Help me I am dying

[halcyon willow]

I'm very tempted to do this now

Secret Easter egg

[grim pollen]

🙂

[tacit remnant]

My experience has been:
Doom 1: where did all my ammo go?
Doom 2: c’mon SSG, shoot the chaingunners faster

I just finished the Pit so I haven’t run into the Archviles yet.

I haven’t played Final Doom yet

[craggy bone]

TNT: Where is everybody?
Plutonia: overwhelming revenant screeching

[tacit remnant]

Revenants are fun. Outside of tights spaces anyway

[halcyon willow]

You mean better

[azure nimbus]

maybe I'm too charitable to the vanilla vanilla doom1 and doom2 but tnt was really bad. Plutonia was good though

[halcyon willow]

Wdym chaingunners are good

The more chaingunners, the objectively better a wad is

This is how the cacowards are decided. They go count chaingunners. The mapset with the most, wins

[hallow herald]

Lmao

Boy do I love bs hitscanner traps

In my opinion the more archvile encounters the better

I fucking love archviles

Especially with revenants and mancubi

In relatively tight spaces with a vaguely round shape and some organized cover

[tall tiger]

Are the master levels any good?

[halcyon willow]

generally considered not good

mixed bag at best

[royal heron]

most people consider em shit

[slim willow]

As a whole they're at very most a 6/10.

[tacit remnant]

A few of them are kinda good but they’re not worth dredging through the terrible levels

[opal blade]

the first map is fine imho

[marsh summit]

hi

[fickle adder]

Revenants are fun to fight but sometimes it feels like the only thing your fighting

talking about plutonia 2 and other wads

[royal heron]

oh boy then wait until you see revenant battlefield lmao

[fresh umbra]

Or revenant bus

[royal heron]

how far away is each destination?

i think it takes like 12-24 hours to complete 1 level lmao

[daring relic]

I tried revenant bus but the hand on my mouse gave out

[fresh umbra]

Weak

[daring relic]

lol

where id u get btw

[eternal lance]

comically long warthogs

[eternal lance]

guys my issue with gzdoom hapenned again

i again get my entire audio cut off when i sometimes shoot the ssg in gzdoom

with some weird-ass openAL message at the top of the screen

only restarting audio in the options helps,but it's annoying and i have to do it almost every singe time i shoot the super shotty

[azure nimbus]

use the regular shotgun instead ez

[sour stump]

What do you all feel about Back to Saturn X 1 and 2

[grim pollen]

A crazy feat that BTSX is vanilla compatible. I think the last patch especially for BTSX 1 added more teeth to many traps highlighting the important fights that the older version sorely missed. Really liked E2 moving away from the heavy techbases and the last 20% is fantastic.

[hollow rock]

guys im stuck in this room with an exit and a blue door

i have no idea what to do

nvm had to shoot the door

[finite crag]

Glad we could help

[hollow rock]

thanks

[idle salmon]

I bought doom and doom 2(ps4) and i started the first one and i have to say i love it

I thought it would be boring and slow because of its age but it really cool

[hollow rock]

same im playing on pc rn and it surpassed my expectations, the difficulty high is hard af ngl

[azure nimbus]

it's good. take breaks and practice cuz the maps are long but they are all doable even if you're relatively new

[finite crag]

Classic doom is gooood

[dawn moon]

may have just accidentally turned i sawed the demons into a shitty march