classic-doom

[halcyon willow]

31 is the easiest of the new Sunder maps

15, 16, 17, 32 all took me 6 hours

The hedge maze fight alone in 32 took me 3 hours to beat lol

Fuck that fight

Gorgeous map though

Worth the pain

19 is even thiccer

[cinder sapphire]

no, but Im familiar with it from my research xD it seemed cool, but didn't fit what I was looking for in gameplay at the time. I might like to try it one day to check it out, but for OP style mods, I had some fun with Hearts of Demons, and a mech suit one called Secudoom 🤘

[woven swallow]

https://youtu.be/H3F9uixwh4I?si=xBthqOwgKCbQU1Gk

[bitter shoal]

I've seen some people live streaming the beginner maps but I might watch that video that is already done of them later.

[torpid yacht]

Just finished JPCP
Its definitely my fav wad so far.

[cosmic pagoda]

do you like caco?

[median cloud]

Did u max them?

[median cloud]

Yeah I know it's the easiest one but it's the most realistic one in my eyes for me to single segment max

and I still think it's really hard

[woven swallow]

https://youtu.be/VpugPIViaJI

[tight monolith]

Doom’s hairstyle is funny in this game

[wind flicker]

did doom also get you listening to pantera???

[median cloud]

Welp Sunder 05 gonna take the throne as my newest hardest beaten map if I beat it

[halcyon willow]

No, I was a tester

[median cloud]

Oh cool!

Is he working on 22?

[halcyon willow]

He's always chipping away at Sunder. I'm not sure if he's specifically started 22? He's helping with at least 3 commercial games as well

[bitter shoal]

why did this get a thumbs down reaction? Lol

[crystal hill]

has anyone tried maps of chaos?

[torpid yacht]

Ask @celest coyote

[celest coyote]

Not a fan of nightmare difficulty nor the content creator.

Also unfortunate to see a moderator I reached out to about a doxxing incident in the doom community be active here, but unresponsive in private

[cinder sapphire]

Ive played "Doom+" in HDest, which I think uses the map extensions from Maps of Chaos, but doesn't go as overboard on the monster count. I really liked some of the additional rooms that extended the vanilla maps.

[crystal hill]

I'm a little disappointed in it so far. I thought all the maps would have greatly redesigned rooms, like Entryway did

but the most I get is a few extra rooms, especially at the beginning outside (which I feel is pointless). Otherwise it just adds enemies, which range from tasteful additions that spice things up well, to TNT hitscanner fetish

Maps of Chaos actually has less enemies than Doom 2 in Map 8

[cinder sapphire]

I have not played Doom 2's version. only Doom 1. can see your point though!

I was on the quest to play my most ideal version of maps from doom episode 1 remakes so I am only familiar the wads from that episode.

[halcyon willow]

If you bring your drama here, you will also be banned here

This is the only warning you get

[harsh atlas]

New gothic movment 1 or 2? What is better?

[woven swallow]

What?

[harsh atlas]

The wads

[woven swallow]

i don't know then...

[harsh atlas]

New personal best, 5.54

[harsh atlas]

On doom 2 map 1 uv

[halcyon willow]

Both are good

Play both

[torpid yacht]

Bruhhh just play doom with fast monsters

[brittle rover]

Doom II

[median cloud]

Sunder 05 such a pain in the ass

[torpid yacht]

How can I run faster on doom (ps5)

Joysticks 🫠

[twin mortar]

Hold down L2

[median cloud]

I BEAT SUNDER 05!!

[bitter shoal]

Grats!

[woven swallow]

GGs

[idle rose]

Hi

[hollow tree]

[woven swallow]

hello shotgun

[idle rose]

Hello kenny

[bitter shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/faith-faith-game-garcia-shotgun-reload-gif-7251947261892411794

[hollow cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-unpog-gif-8033619785015707160

[torpid yacht]

I mean, faster than that xD

[slender bear]

you cant

[edgy salmon]

Fire

[bitter shoal]

I don't think you can with analog inputs, and on newer ports. SR40/50 is a strictly vanilla demo compatible and keyboard only technique IIRC

[median cloud]

This has to be the toughest map Ive beaten yet atleast to single segment

Constantly falling down or some pain elementals flying away

[true oriole]

hello ppl the main character here

im doomslayer

[woven swallow]

Cam....did you record it ?

[median cloud]

Nah

I dont think I will demo yet

Im just going for an exit so

[restive holly]

Hi hello

Which multipayer server is the most active? Or most of the people play with steam versions?

I am only familiar with Zandronum

[livid light]

there are other multiplayer ports called zdaemon and odamex, but from what ive seen most of the time matches are arranged instead of being spontaneous
sometimes the #community channel shows upcoming events

i’d say zandronum and steam are your best bets but sometimes there are also people active on the other ports

[restive holly]

Thanks

[winged bobcat]

mood

[woven swallow]

huh?

[winged bobcat]

mood

[twin mortar]

DOOM spelled backwards, other examples are in other channels

[winged bobcat]

thank you for putting 2 and 2 together

[twin mortar]

You're welcome

[woven swallow]

[cloud talon]

4

👍

[crystal hill]

??

[winged bobcat]

mood

[woven swallow]

Wood

[mellow matrix]

it's Woof actually

[livid light]

there is though

[mellow matrix]

touche

[woven swallow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1167762378197311528/1490153358642909254/Screenshot_2026-04-05_072732.png?ex=69d304f6&is=69d1b376&hm=ea47e03f25d5575de98de813958a0b8a3f1036ca519258868c621acdf9ad80ed

[twin mortar]

...yes?

[bitter shoal]

as opposed to Wood, which would be named after the barking textures trees make

[smoky dawn]

yall when was there ever a green card
ive never seen it before in doom 1 or 2

[livid light]

there are no green keys in the original dooms, a mod said it was to detect fake fans but idk if he was joking

[icy stratus]

Its the shiny keycard that shows up in 1/3000 runs. If you dont catch it with a green poke ball an invisible imp spawns behind you and starts touching you :/

[crystal hill]

I wonder if they thought green keycards would be less visible than the others

[crystal hill]

the hell on earth starter pack works perfectly with Brutal Doom

it works so incredibly well, far better than I could have ever imagined. this is the key thing brutal doom was missing for me to love it, custom maps tailor made for it

[brittle rover]

Hi

[crystal hill]

ello

[solemn socket]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1395450311610470420/1489111752586301480/IMG_9506.png?ex=69d3d824&is=69d286a4&hm=79c323483dbf02947ce2b4ba23273a392e94e6836572d434fc0d0583c3c247f1&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1288&height=595
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1395450311610470420/1489111752846213202/IMG_9507.png?ex=69d3d824&is=69d286a4&hm=3fcf7eed21de97ca23dc9c553b1c32809c10d8c53e42070bccb7204138868d49&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1288&height=595

i wrecked

[crystal hill]

hope you like it

I quit right after getting to the 2nd world, it didn't really mesh with me all too well

[solemn socket]

theres some things where i'm overrun and im out of ammo so i just gotta use an axe against melee dependant monsters like husk

it is frustrating.

but overall, i'm suprised this is done with the vanilla dehacked

imagine how many states you had to manage?

[crystal hill]

states?

you mean saves?

[solemn socket]

nope, dehacked states.

[crystal hill]

its very very impressive, I haven't seen anything this impressive in vanilla since batman doom

[crystal hill]

I'm not sure what those are

I played it on UZDoom so I didn't even need the patch

[twin mortar]

Is this REKKR?

[crystal hill]

yes

[twin mortar]

Hmm, I remember playing it a bit like 3 years ago, as it was the most drastically altered WAD available on the Unity port. It's pretty impressive but I think I'd rather play Heretic

[torpid yacht]

REKKR Sucks

[crystal hill]

its not bad, really

I'm sure it appeals to a certain kind of person

[bitter shoal]

challenge accepted, I might have to try it next time I play DOOM

[crystal hill]

it feels really weird to play almost nothing but GZDoom wads all in a row

need to get back to the classics at some point

[solemn socket]

every action (NULL or not) in a monster are called states, they can have various durations before the next state, and must be assigned to an actor. e.g. the look actions goes on cycle of LOOK1 and LOOK2 calling A_Look code pointer, same can be applied to the walk sequence.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1090377996822663290/1490403997163716728/image.png?ex=69d3ee63&is=69d29ce3&hm=f19b346877724f7894d5328bbd68c80b0b4d9f8395d9b91bd0bff4f05b338bd6&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[crystal hill]

Uhhhhh

I'm no doom wizard

[solemn socket]

best i can explain.

[crystal hill]

no problem

[solemn socket]

theres a doomwiki page about dehacked though
https://doomwiki.org/wiki/DeHackEd

[torpid yacht]

The gameplay is sooo boring
And I've played it twice

On UV & UV+ Fast

[crystal hill]

I see what its trying to do

less focus on hitscan, bulkier and fewer enemies, more detailed locations

[brisk crypt]

How does one play zdaemon?

[woven swallow]

https://youtu.be/KjEmlNJ4oQQ?si=mUc9OvJFXbyrF4D1

[wooden topaz]

Anyone know a good wad for 2x resolution textures on doom1? I am using legacy doom/ultimate doom running natively on win98se through dos

[woven swallow]

Sorry mate, i don't think any wad like that is compatible through dos

[wooden topaz]

Ima make it happen

Ig ima create my own doom wad

[woven swallow]

Nice 👍

Publish it when you're done, it will be useful to the community

[wooden topaz]

In like five years lol, im gonna take on by manually editing every asset in ultimate doom to double resolution

Texture resolution

Has anyone done this?

[woven swallow]

Yes but for like modern sourceports I believe, I don't think anyone has done it for like dos

[halcyon willow]

Textures are limited to 128 pixels tall in the base engine

And flats can't be anything other than 64 x 64 pixels

[wooden topaz]

I know, but every editable 64x64 texture > 128x128

[halcyon willow]

That's not how the engine works'

That's not how resolution works

Even if you could scale the image (which you can't in vanilla doom engine), the resolution of the image doesn't change. These are immutable restrictions, unless you specifically add it to a port which is why you can get round this in other ports. Zdoom family ports are the only ones that have texture scaling afaik

prboom and dsda support larger textures (up to 4096 x 4096) but flats are locked at 64 x 64

[true urchin]

you know ive always wondered what the hell is that thing on the back of the bfg

[tranquil geyser]

i think like a stock that folds out and loops around your shoulder

if you look at the doom comic (sadly can't send a screenshot in this channel) that's what's used for

[livid light]

#general message

[wooden topaz]

Only flats are. You can still increase wall and sprite size

[bitter shoal]

wasn't that what he said?

[wooden topaz]

No, he thought I was scaling the image but i am doing it manually

Editing textures to higher res

[bitter shoal]

but I mean for the sentence you quoted specficially

[wooden topaz]

He implied that it wasn't possible to do higher res textures in doom for dos

[bitter shoal]

I believe that is true. But that sentence in particular is about DSDA and PRBOOM

[brittle rover]

Kenny is alive

[wooden topaz]

Soo can i make wads turning 64x64 textures into 128x128

[bitter shoal]

only if they become wall textures.

[wooden topaz]

Sprites?

[bitter shoal]

you can edit existing smaller textures into larger ones, maybe? but a lot of them have aspect ratios where one size is capped at 128 already

[bitter shoal]

I assume sprites would just become bigger rather than display a higher resolution

[wooden topaz]

I dont think doom works like a canvas.

Usually in games, higher resolution texture = more detail, not physical size (unless you mean file size)

[livid light]

i remember running into some trouble with bigger sprites where they just clipped off the map so i think its true, maybe it was because of gzdoom but i dont recall exactly which port i used

i had to use textures lump to resize sprites manually i think

[bitter shoal]

... I don't think you understand that low resolution textures are usually scaled up in games BECUASE they are smaller in size. They aren't the same canvas size as higher fidelity textures

and DOOM uses a raster type of rendering for sprites and AFAIK only scales based on its 3D location in the world, not to fit a defined size separate from the sprite so making a bigger sprite would actually make the thing bigger even if it's more detailed and higher clarity

you can see that in DOOM 64 where they use bigger sprites for enemies but Doomguy is the same height so they tower above him more

[wooden topaz]

Well that could just be a poor scaling quirk

Have yall tested this on actual dos

[livid light]

i don't really have any reason to use full vanilla so no

[woven swallow]

was

actually....

[wooden topaz]

Native dos > dos emulation

[livid light]

i dont have any dos computers either, i guess i could install something like freedos but that would be a bit overkill to play doom

[wooden topaz]

Native dos has the best sound and graphics for doom

Crt monitor + correct sound blaster >>> anything windows xp and later

[halcyon willow]

Nope. Walls are limited to 128 tall

Why do you think the icon of sin texture is actually 3 separate textures?

[wooden topaz]

Yes... only flats are limited to 64x64 😭

[halcyon willow]

Flats are not the only thing limited

Textures are limited to 128 pixels tall in the base engine

[wooden topaz]

Is that 64x64?

[halcyon willow]

I know more than you

[livid light]

dos doesnt have its own sound system, soundblaster is its own separate card, personally i prefer using a sc55 soundfont

[livid light]

that's for wall textures, vanilla flats are required to be 64x64

[wooden topaz]

That's what dos systems use

[wooden topaz]

Yes, i am changing non flat textures that are 64x64 to 128x128

[bitter shoal]

IIRC DOS didn't have a high resolution like 640x480 that could display 256 colors and even if it did, it would have been too render costly to use that mode so all of the sprite and texture assets were designed with the resolution they were working with in mind.

not only that, but if you are trying to take a high resolution sprite and scale it down to fit what a lower resolution sprite's size would display, that defeats the entire purpose of a higher resolution sprite and is just unnecessary computations to do said arbitrary scaling when instead if you are going to lose a lot of pixel quality doing that, you just use a smaller sprite instead.

[livid light]

they can use it, but its not the default dos sound card, pc speaker and midi interpreters are other options

[halcyon willow]

That's like, 7 textures lol

[wooden topaz]

Legacy doom is a patch that allows dos doom to display up to 1280x1024

[wooden topaz]

There are lots of 64x64 textures wym

[wooden topaz]

Which are built for dos. Modern pcs arent made to install proper midi soundcards that are used on msdos games

[halcyon willow]

3 actually

These are the only 64 high textures in doom2.wad

Only 3 of them are 64 wide

[wooden topaz]

Talking abt Doom 1

[halcyon willow]

There are about 30 that are 64x128

[bitter shoal]

apparently this came out in 1998, when higher resolutions were supported, but DOOM was working with stricter resolution restrictions at the time

[wooden topaz]

What of it? It still uses native dos

Literally just makes dos doom better

[bitter shoal]

It's a source port though. I have no clue if it has proper support for higher resolution sprites, but I feel like we are having a discussion about vanila

[livid light]

that's true, but you can still emulate some cards and get near-perfect results

[halcyon willow]

Doom 1 is the same

[wooden topaz]

Pure vanilla would be stupid to upscale as the resolution is too low to notice. If you are at say 640x480 it would be much easier to notice a texture increase

[halcyon willow]

Anyway, proof of the pudding is the in the eating. Go make your texture mod

I'll be waiting

[bitter shoal]

so... this conversation had largely been pointless and it was about a source port this whole time?

[wooden topaz]

Emulating sound cards doesn't sound as good as the real deal as it's basically a recorded version of it

[wooden topaz]

Legacy doom uses og doom files and enhances them, basically a dos equivalent to a modern day doom port

Much more settings and specifications

[halcyon willow]

then it's a source port, not the original engine

Legacy doom changes way more than Chocolate

[livid light]

not really, its basically imitating how a card would work but digitally, if it was recorded it wouldn't be able to play custom midis for doom and other shiz

[bitter shoal]

yes, that's what source ports do. Even DOS has had source ports.

[wooden topaz]

"But digitally"

[halcyon willow]

Anything that isn't literally doom.exe is a source port

[bitter shoal]

I think they mean via software vs hardware

[wooden topaz]

Yup. That's how I got doom in higher res.. why else would I wanna increase texture res on dos doom? It wouldnt be noticable

[bitter shoal]

I think it still depends on if the engine supports loading higher resolution textures but still displaying them as if they were the original's size

[wooden topaz]

Using actual hardware for sound cards sounds better than emulating it, idk what to tell yall

[wooden topaz]

Well there are wads with higher res textures soo it has been done

[livid light]

it will always be more accurate, sure, but you cant deny that now emulating a soundblaster with doom soundbank sounds almost the same as a physical soundblaster

[halcyon willow]

Not in vanilla

You are making shit up

[wooden topaz]

Never ever said vanilla lol yall just assumed I said vanilla doom bc yall dont know what native dos is

[halcyon willow]

Native dos is vanilla

And

[wooden topaz]

So you replaced it to make sense in your head

[livid light]

vanilla doom is native dos, vanilla means original in this case

[halcyon willow]

you can't do it in boom either

[wooden topaz]

Native dos is ACTUALLY RUNNING IT THROUGH REAL DOS

[livid light]

same way people say vanilla minecraft to refer to unmodded microsoft minecraft

[wooden topaz]

Which i still am doing!

[bitter shoal]

is it even possible in DOOM Legacy..

[wooden topaz]

Doom legacy uses native dos!

[halcyon willow]

Cool story bro. You're still talking shit

[wooden topaz]

No you are

[halcyon willow]

You have no idea how textures in doom work

I make games in this engine

[wooden topaz]

You have no idea how dos works

[livid light]

its based on dosdoom, a sourceport of linux doom ported back to doom

[wooden topaz]

Doom mods and all that can be ran in native dos lol why do you not get that vanilla doom doesnt necessarily mean native dos

[bitter shoal]

DOS loves to access and write memory incorrectly, which is a lot of reasons why these limitations exist I bet (and why the 64 height wall textures can only be used as mid textures with transparency, toherwise it draws arbitrary data as garbled graphics)

[wooden topaz]

I am using native dos (a real win98 machine) to run the original doom files with legacy doom. Its not pure vanilla and i never said it was. It IS however native dos

The real command prompt as win98se was one of the last windows oses to run actually real dos

Not dosbox or wtv

Most classic doom wads were made for real dos

And run perfectly normal on them

[bitter shoal]

yeah they were built for vanilla or BOOM though, not DOOM Legacy which looks like it has stuff like 3D Floors and Jumping?

[livid light]

legacy is boom compatible

[halcyon willow]

Doom Legacy supports boom and mbf, which means you can't scale the textures. If you load higher resolution texture they will be bigger not more detailed. You have to scale them to get them to match the original size, something that can only be done (as far as I'm aware) with zdoom family ports. Specifically in the textures lump

[bitter shoal]

yes, it will run stuff made for BOOM but a lot of classic wads you mention aren't meant to utilize Legacy's specific features is what I'm saying

[livid light]

#classic-doom message it all makes sense now...

[wooden topaz]

You can run old doom wads with Doom legacy

[livid light]

o yeah thats true

[wooden topaz]

Not guaranteed they work good

[bitter shoal]

I literally just said that?

that is the entire point of the source port

besides the new features

[halcyon willow]

[livid light]

technically boom support was added later so i think the main attraction point was the 3dfloors and jumping

[bitter shoal]

ah okay

[livid light]

i tried it once for windows and its not that great for it, it does make sense to use it for dos though

[wooden topaz]

Best way to use dos doom, if i had embed perms i would show it

[livid light]

#general message

you can still use embeds, direct uploads wont work though

[wooden topaz]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/111504456838819840/1490548287164383293/20260404_205055.mp4?ex=69d474c4&is=69d32344&hm=4bec388c03966894b24c0fdc6187c4824d6ddf23226a2916f33d3981649ea2d1&

Doom Legacy at 640x400 (through dos, native win98se)

There's this one quirk with the doors that their animations can be cancelled before finishing, thats why you see me accidentally double clicking as im so used to regular dos doom

[livid light]

damn, the freelook is pretty nice, and its not y-shearing so thats a bonus
resolution is very nice as well

[wooden topaz]

Sound could be better... i dont have anything great only a sb pci audio 128

[wooden topaz]

Runs best at 640x400, could go 800x600 but kinda feels jarring with how sharp it is and there is a bit of slowdown

[livid light]

aw i thought it sounded pretty neat, ive never seen the creative labs intruments in an actual sound card before

[wooden topaz]

Mid, i need an upgraded awe32 for this

[livid light]

wdym? im pretty sure those are the creative midi instruments, the roland ones are different

[wooden topaz]

I mean the current sound is mid as in mediocre, it is midi lol

[livid light]

oh lol

[wooden topaz]

My bad

[livid light]

nah its ok im a bit of a dumbass

[wooden topaz]

https://youtu.be/H4cdxs-RQEU?si=SnkgymYqZF7d0Gov

[woven swallow]

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/119020-doom-legacy-1488-r1568-dos-2021-01-03/ this one?

[wooden topaz]

https://youtu.be/M2KooKIR9MA?si=ntX15qI84Y9IsUJO

https://youtu.be/tVJ9Dmgly0g?si=yLRrpfe8vu2r0djk

[wooden topaz]

The GOAT

[gloomy sluice]

literal peak

[crystal hill]

these sound quite tinny

whatever the default soundfont is on gz/uzdoom, that's what makes the best doom music for my money

[crystal hill]

There's a jokewad called DooD that basically mirrors everything in Doom - the enemies, the levels, music, etc. Its amusing, and kinda fun to play

but the most interesting thing about it is that it comes with a 5th episode. It took me years to realise that it's the playstation doom exclusive levels, also given the DooD treatment

[wooden topaz]

Theyre peek...

[crystal hill]

they're valley

[wooden topaz]

Not the best though.... the best is https://youtu.be/vwz2q1QTiP8?si=ZxG8da2dks2ce-pN

Mmmmmmm.....

https://youtu.be/SJ0Ob4PlCDU?si=S4KhODqJsVrvDfnG

[crystal hill]

pure valley

[wooden topaz]

What

U dont like?

[crystal hill]

Valley is the opposite of peak

No, I prefer modern soundfonts

[wooden topaz]

Stinky

[twin mortar]

I can't imagine playing on anything but SC-55

But not in the judgey way, in the literal way. It would be too out-of-place for me to hear other instruments

I guess the exception is the Xbox 360 ports cuz I'm used to their soundfont too

[wooden topaz]

Tbh i do like awe32's midi

[crystal hill]

Same for me with the default zdoom soundfont

When I play kex or a different source port it sounds so wrong

[wooden topaz]

I think the worst doom 1 music is the 32x

[bitter shoal]

I don't even think that is up to debate if we aren't comparing only soundfonts/PC cards. I remember hearing that a lot of Sega Genesis devs didn't have the same music tools as Sega themselves did so they had a more dfficult time optimizing the sound chip.

[livid light]

libadlmidi + dmxopl bank is the goat for me

but yeah i understand why some people only like sc55, it does share the same instruments as microsoft midi

which is probably one of the most common midi synthesizer thingies

[livid light]

gems existed for this purpose though, a lot of american games used it and they had pretty good soundtracks
iirc doom 32x just uses some shitty midi patches for the yamaha chip and the composer didnt bother giving it good instruments

[gloomy sluice]

I love into sandy's city

[livid light]

its one of my favourite tracks as well, its a shame it was only used in one level though

[gloomy sluice]

even tho said level is peak

same with tricks and traps

also imo the 3do version of At doom's gate is the best version of that soundtrack

[livid light]

ye, also im pretty sure the only reason it exists is because the 3do devs didnt know how to put the midis into cd so the ceo and his band made that version

[gloomy sluice]

u mean the 1 dev?

[livid light]

wait was rebbeca was the only dev?

[twin mortar]

Yeah that's the most famous part of the development

[livid light]

damn, i never knew she was only dev

[bitter shoal]

3DO version is the classic story of CEOs not knowing how product development actually works

[livid light]

i remember randy saying something like porting doom would be as easy as taking screenshots and just putting them on a cd for the 3do 🥀

[atomic dust]

have you guys heard of this Doom youtuber called ThatNukemGuy? his Classic Doom videos are very entertaining to watch imo

[bitter shoal]

I eventually fell off of his content. He would benefit a lot for adopting a scripted format I find.

[crystal hill]

I have, and I echo what Various has said

[wind flicker]

I downloaded doom on my school computer, I am so tuff

[lost ocean]

I've found it

Is decino here

[torpid yacht]

I only watch Civvie11 Doom vids

[trim sonnet]

Ps1 doom low-key lil scary also kinda liminal

[grave pilot]

Ngl i gotta play through D64 again.

[median cloud]

Isnt this the normal soundtrack?

[wind flicker]

Civvie is a good youtuber for doom comedy, decino is a good youtuber for learning dooms tricks and programming, and watching him suffer during game play

[crystal hill]

I tend to watch decino for the analysis videos, or if I need a guide for a specific map

[wind flicker]

Kewl

[wintry copper]

Dean of Doom pls return 😩 🙏

still haven't watched any of Civvie's vids, gonna have to

[torpid yacht]

Same, needed an answer specially the one where enemies are ghost bcs or the archvile

Only a analysis

[crystal hill]

no news from his patreon account#

[wintry copper]

bummer indeed

also remember how he teased Eternal Doom in the season 3 trailer yet never reviewed it

[crystal hill]

Maybe that'll be one of the season 4 wads

but he's only doing 9/10 episodes for it

[gloomy sluice]

Civvie makes straight peak

[wintry copper]

oh damn where did he say that

fair enough though

also I'm sure of it, did watch a little of his content and did like that

[crystal hill]

on his patreon

[wintry copper]

ah

[crystal hill]

in the december 2025 update

[wintry copper]

well I'm not subbed so wouldn't know

I see, at least he said that much

wonder if he'll review TNT 2 Devilution as that did just recently finally come out

[wooden topaz]

Yes its widely used, and how its supposed to sound... using roland sc-55

[wooden topaz]

Doom64 too

[torpid yacht]

Should I play SWTW after or before Sunlust?

[median cloud]

I think after

Sunlust is more progressive in terms of difficulty while SWTW is just instant

[torpid yacht]

Okok

[mystic gull]

I have a huge doubt about level 9 chapter 1 of doom, because it turns out that I looked for tutorials and the map that appears to me is very different from all the videos, I joined the server because I wanted to see if someone could give me a hand aaaaaa

[crystal hill]

what version of doom are you playing?

as in, what platform?

[mystic gull]

im not sure, but its a Consola retro

do you speak spanish?

[crystal hill]

no, unfortunately

[mystic gull]

oh well, my english is not so good, but it doesn’t matter

[livid light]

that means retro console btw but we cant really help you if we dont know what specific console it is

[mystic gull]

Okay, then let me check which one it is, honestly I don’t know much about consoles

oh thanks hehe

[torpid yacht]

Desde que plataforma lo juegas?

[woven swallow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1342710563700080650/1491310640738992138/doom53.png?ex=69d73ac3&is=69d5e943&hm=9c4d4dd9912bc83ee7d7681b72a50d9b483650470ab3a33aaae7460d323de3b2

GGs

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1364036748182552641/1491310292070826005/Sd20x7-02-m-1944.zip?ex=69d73a70&is=69d5e8f0&hm=f229db3e35b760965eaadae291e3273e278ec4e3db560856927429fb76cd38c9&

demo file btw

[wind flicker]

Yo if you haven't watched then watch when he playing doom while drinking a monster can with no saves, and if he dies its a pistol start

[wintry copper]

bro what that sounds insane

yea I gotta see that

[torpid yacht]

I dont think I've watched that
Only pro doom, Sigil, rust n wads

[wind flicker]

Hnn

[wind flicker]

Its called prodoom

[unique spear]

i got doom on my wii u

[wispy portal]

can't wait to play doom 2, I had a lot of fun playing doom 1

[mortal cargo]

wtf i was just watching breaking bad and then saw ur pfp...

[wispy portal]

lol, which season are you on? I'm at season 4

[mortal cargo]

this is my 3rd time watching, and right now im on s2e9 where they get stuck in the desert

everytime i watch it, i get a whole new perspective...

[bronze heart]

does doom 64 count as classic?

[mortal cargo]

yesir

[bronze heart]

ok so idk if i just soft locked myself or not

[mortal cargo]

if i remember correctly, there were some maps where u could get soft locked...

[bronze heart]

So im on the 4th lvl and i flipped a switch and the pillars went up and a bunch of lost souls came out and now idk what to do

[mortal cargo]

shesh its been 7 years since i've played doom 64... just gave me the chills

[bronze heart]

I think im good

i found another exit

[mortal cargo]

great

wait cant we send files here?

[bronze heart]

no

[torpid yacht]

Bruh

[woven swallow]

no...well at least in my opinion

[crystal hill]

Why not?

[median cloud]

@crystal hill hows your dooming coming along?

[crystal hill]

I'd say well. I've spent the last week playing mostly total conversion wads, and by god am I ready to go back to the cacowards, lol

I'm in an "intermission" between the 2018 and 2019 cacowards right now, playing things reviewed by IcarusLives, the guy who first introduced me to Doom. I dont dislike most of what I've played, but I am craving a return to more standard stuff

Just a dozen or so more mods from his 2017 videos and I'll be playing the 2019 cacowards, which includes a full on sonic game for some reason

(I'm starting to think the guy in here complaining about too many gzdoom games in the cacowards had a point)

But I'll also finally after many years of being a doom fan play Eviternity and probably be disappointed by it, lol. I'll also get to replay Sigil and see if Doom Zero is as good as people here say it is

[median cloud]

I dont think Eviternity will dissappoint

[wind flicker]

I finished knee deep in the dead on a school chromebook that I downloaded a wad player on

Im currently finishing doom 2 on it

How cooked am I if I am using the arrow keys to turn

Also can yall give websites for pwads

[twin mortar]

That's normal and how it was by default

[wind flicker]

Ik

But its super easy to die with arrow keys

Am im also about to do dead simple

[median cloud]

dsdaarchive is good for this

or just use doomworld

[wind flicker]

Thx man!

DsdaArchive

Ok

[wind flicker]

Ok so how do I download it and install it into a wad commander

[median cloud]

you can just search for a wad and then click the link at the top

[wind flicker]

I found that out, but im using a wad commander and it doesn't load the levels

Nvm its a death match thing

I guess it works a lil less with wad commanders

[median cloud]

what wad commander are you using

[crystal hill]

Hopefully not. I want it to be at around speed of doom level in quality, at least

[little narwhal]

Hello guys could I ask you a question

[median cloud]

I still rate it like I rate ancient aliens

Though AA might have better combat, not sure

[crystal hill]

Interesting. I rank AA two spots above SoD

Theyre still very close to each other but AA has my vote

[crystal hill]

Whats up?

[little narwhal]

Sorry I didn't replu

[little narwhal]

So I got 10 doller and I can buy doom 1 and 2 bundle and doom 64 and the 2016 doom should I get it

[crystal hill]

All of them? Yeah, all of them are worth playing

[median cloud]

two tiers or just two spots?

[crystal hill]

spots

[median cloud]

I think Eviternity nails the episodic playstyle really well

[crystal hill]

It used to be right next to it until I played the Brual Doom Hell on Earth Starter Pack™

[median cloud]

u like that mappack that much?

[crystal hill]

fuck yeah

I had basically no expectations for it, I like Brutal Doom for what it is but I'm not some rabid superfan

but HoE uses Brutal Doom's features spectacularly, and it doesn't skim on level design either

it even has a simple but effective plot and sense of progression. It's easily the biggest surprise on my favourites list

[median cloud]

Maybe you will like wolfenstein blade of agony as well then

[crystal hill]

you'd think

but having played it two or three times now, it does NOT gel with with me at all. Could be because I set it to the UV equivalent and it kicked my ass, but the hitscanners felt too overbearing and cheap

ironically, this is a similar complaint I have with map 32 of HoE, which is a wolfenstein tribute. So maybe I just have a bias against Wolfenstein, lol

[median cloud]

I'm not sure if I ever finished it but I did like the structure or the vibe it gave me

Didn't really feel very Doom like though

I'm somewhat hyped for your experience with Eviternity

[crystal hill]

no, HoE feels far more Doom like than BoA

Its one of the most "vanilla" things I've played this week, in fact

[crystal hill]

so am I. I absolutely love Skulldash, which is something Dragonfly made before Evi. It's even higher than Ancient Aliens, and even above my childhood favourite Golden Souls 1

so I have high hopes for his more vanilla work

[woven swallow]

Godless night is pretty good

[crystal hill]

that's on the to play list. If it won or is mentioned in the cacowards, I'm going to play it at some point

As a counter recommendation - nocturne in yellow. Its another really good castlevania esque wad, with bullet hell boss fights and lots of weapons to pick from

[wind flicker]

Just WAD commander

[wind flicker]

Has a floppy disk as the cover for it, and a browser based, but i downloaded it as an app

[crystal hill]

man, eviternity is going to be such a breath of fresh air compared to shit like DooD and DooW

[frigid kelp]

favorite OST from 1993 DOOM?

[crystal hill]

I Sawed the Demons

[shut raft]

I challenged myself to beat all doom 1 episodes on Ultra violence

Im doing good so far, but I'm particularly worried about thy flesh consumed

I tried it out and MAN is it brutal on UV

[torpid yacht]

After thy flesh play Sigil
Thats the 5th episode of Doom 1

[hearty fox]

I forgot the name but I like the music from E2M1

[hearty gorge]

E1m3, E1m8, E2m1, E2m2, E2m8, E3m1, E3m3 and E3m3. These are my personal highlights by order. But doom 1's ost is just really damn good. Cheers to the goat Bobby prince

[frigid kelp]

me personally, E2M3

[fervent dragon]

i just found out that i own the original dos version of final doom on gog, despite never paying for the game

[twin mortar]

Because of it now being given for free with DOOM II

[median cloud]

Sinister, E2M6

[median cloud]

Yeah gonna be cool

I think I might overrate it a bit since I played Eviternity before I played most other custom wads

But I did enjoy it a lot

However I also enjoyed TNT Revilution a lot which you found meh

[crystal hill]

well, I liked it. JUst not enough to put it on my list

I did rate it the 5th best wad of the 2017 cacowards at least

[median cloud]

I did skip map 32 of eviternity and never actually played it

Map 19 is also a really long one

[crystal hill]

well, to be fair, I've not beaten map 28 of alien vendetta or map 32 of speed of doom

I think I also skipped map 31 of ancient aliens this playthrough, but I did beat it in the past

so skipping one map isn't a death sentence for a wad

[crystal hill]

Map 19? yikes

[median cloud]

Yeah it's an hour long on a first try but it's a good map

[crystal hill]

as long as its not brutally hard, I think I can make it

I love jade earth after all

[median cloud]

Nah it's very doable, 32 is pretty hard on the other hand and also very long

I've personally played a lot of longer maps that qualify as harder like the combat shock ones so I'm not too annoyed by it

Going through Sunder now has been an experience but actually a fun one

It's a grind but I like it

[crystal hill]

I've beaten combat shock 2 map 4, which was very long but ultimately not too hard

playing cautiously got me through it in one piece

[median cloud]

c-shock 2 map 4 or c-shock 1 map 4?

[crystal hill]

c-shock 2

[median cloud]

That one is medium length iirc

It's the one with the pyramid near the middle with tons of revs right?

[crystal hill]

the end fight has a massive horde of enemies

I'm sure a better doomer could speed through it, but playing it safe meant playing it slow

[median cloud]

That doesn't narrow it down a lot hahah

[crystal hill]

its called rapid fire

its the map immediately after the one in the green caves, ala speed of doom

[median cloud]

Yeah yeah you're remembering correctly then

very end of the map has like 12 archviles

That one is medium length I'd say. About 30-40 minutes

[crystal hill]

again, it took me longer because I was playing very cautiously

I didn't LOVE the rough difficulty here, but I did enjoy c-shock 2 more than anything I've played from Ribbicks

except sunlust perhaps, which was coauthored by danne

[median cloud]

C-Shock is more forgiving I think

On a pure fight basis it isn't super frustrating or hard imo

That isn't to say multiple maps took me multiple tries

but compared to like sunder map 05 and now sunder map 06, none of the c-shock maps took me that long to finish

I think sunder 05 took me about 40-50 tries

[crystal hill]

I suppose I concur. I played it for a lot longer than I normally would have

I would never play a longer (if not super long) but tough map like map 4 in a ribbicks wad

maybe I'll replay c-shock 2 someday

[median cloud]

I prefer it over c-shock 1

I like that map 3 the jungle one a lot but I played it very hecticly

[crystal hill]

hmm. Maps 5 and 6 are about twice as long as map 4 judging by the speedrun times

I can see why I didn't keep playing, lol

[median cloud]

Map 5 and 6 are very interchangeable imo some say 6 is harder but I had more trouble with 5

6 has a rough start but the individual traps are doable

5's hardest fight is actually the ending imo lol

which combined with nerves when you're 50 mins in a run can be a pain to deal with

[crystal hill]

well, the longer a map is, the harder it is because theres more oppurtunity to make mistakes

even a map like jade earth that is, pound for pound, not very scary, is terrifying when you're an hour and a half into it

[median cloud]

Yeah I think combat shock is very similar in that aspect

I find sunder atm, pound for pound, a lot harder

[crystal hill]

Yeah, I'm certain it is

I gave up on map 3 for that, lol

I could feel I wasn't going to enjoy myself like I kinda did with c-shock 2

[median cloud]

I understand that perspective a lot but currently I am enjoying my grind through it

It feels like a culmination of my skill at the point and I know I can beat it just need enough tries

That isn't to say I don't get frustrated, especially map 5

[crystal hill]

very based and valid

maybe in the future, once i've played through all the cacowards and everything else I want to play, I can go back and try to beat some tough maps

[median cloud]

I know some of the upcoming maps are more chill as well

[crystal hill]

mucus flow and fire and ice are on my hitlist

mucus flow in particular is a map I want to beat someday

[median cloud]

Yeah it's on my list as well

I think that one will take me a lot of tries as well

I struggle with maps that require very careful play

example: Chord3 and su05

I did beat chord3 again yesterday haha, still took me about 5-6 tries but atleast I got through it better now

that chaingunner fight with the archvile is a scare but I haven't died there

[crystal hill]

I think thats the first time I consciously infought an arch vile to survive a fight with one

or at least with chaingunners

[median cloud]

On the topic of Sunder, a lot of what keeps the frustration in check is the sheer amazement I have with the maps in general. They all look do distinct and cool

[median cloud]

It's scary though

[crystal hill]

I think I have pretty high standards when it comes to map visuals

considering all the crazy stuff I've played and am playing recently

[median cloud]

I do think Sunder's early maps aren't completely out of the ordinary anymore now, but back in 2009 it was incredible

[crystal hill]

ancient aliens, going down, the Hell on Eart starter pack, auger zenith especially

[median cloud]

but they have such a sheer scale and magnitude

[crystal hill]

sunder doesn't appeal visually in comparison

especially when I'm frustrated playing it

[median cloud]

Yeah then it might just not be for you

what got me through su05 was how amazing I find it looking

despite the extremely frustrating gameplay

gameplay wise it might be one of the most frustrating maps I've ever played and maxed

but the aesthetic saved it a lot

[crystal hill]

and thats fine

I have plenty of other wads to play and enjoy

[crystal hill]

I enjoy a bit of frustration, if I feel its worth it

I uv maxed ticket to eternity in plut 2 years ago because I adore that wad, and I felt the pain would be worth it. It was

[median cloud]

the difficulty in su05 comes mostly from frustrating bullshit tho tbh

It's very platforming heavy with perma death so if you make a slight mistake in movement and fall down it's gg restart

[crystal hill]

oh hell no

instadeath platforming is an instant nope from me

[median cloud]

then it also has pain elementals in a huge void like map which means if you shoot them wrong and they dart off into the distance you'll be dealing with a pain elemental out of reach constantly spawning lost souls

[crystal hill]

I was enjoying a map called brotherhood of ruin lost temple, and then when I fell into lava and died instantly, it completely killed my enjoyment of the map

[median cloud]

So you need to kill the pain elementals in such a way they don't fly off into the distance or it's gg

[crystal hill]

Ok, noted, never play sunder ever in my life

[median cloud]

combination of those two things is what made sunder 05 take 40-50 tries

[median cloud]

Hahah that's only sunder 05 tho

the others don't have this type of gimmick

su04 has crushers that you need to employ

su06 is just hard nothing gimmicky

[fathom needle]

which episode and map has the best music?

[crystal hill]

e2m1

[frigid kelp]

E2m3

[polar mural]

my personal favorites ranked
e1m1
e2m1
e2m3
e1m4
e1m8
e3m1
e2m8
e1m9
e1m7
honorable mention: sweet dead little bunny

[twin mortar]

E3M1 for me

E1M1 is iconic but not as much of a jam imo

[fathom needle]

is e1m4 good?

[polar mural]

its kitchen ace

[crystal hill]

I've listened to E1M1's music too much to like it much

[polar mural]

probably the most memorable doom song besides e1m1 itself

[crystal hill]

oh right, that one's excellent as well

[twin mortar]

My hot take with Classic music is that E3M8 is one of the best

[crystal hill]

whuh??

[polar mural]

the spider theme

[crystal hill]

it's like Bobby Prince decided to give up and smashed all his instruments together

[crystal hill]

I know which one it is, I'm questioning the choice

[twin mortar]

I like the frantic nature

[polar mural]

i mean it is the final boss i understand how intense it is

[crystal hill]

its a level with three or four enemies

you can have intense without having it be manic

[twin mortar]

It makes me wonder what his work for the other bosses would have looked like if he didn't aim for atmosphere with them

[crystal hill]

as much as I'm ambivalent towards atmosphere in Doom, those two tracks are far superior for boss fights of that kind

especially the cyber, who's a real threat

[twin mortar]

No yeah I prefer the atmospheric nature

[median cloud]

It's weird but I feel like most of the og doom tracks don't work in custom packs

I always feel iffy if I hear a Doom 1 track in a custom mappack

I have this way less with Doom 2 or TNT

[crystal hill]

depends on what the wad is, I guess

fava beans and its ilk having doom 1 music is all fine

[median cloud]

Well yeah but they're old as sin

legit pre doom 2 old

but for example hearing at doom's gate or hiding the secrets in a custom wad always makes me kinda cringe

[crystal hill]

what I'm trying to say is there's a feeling to doom 1 wads

[median cloud]

Same for like into sandy's city

[crystal hill]

and that meshes well with the original music

doom 2 and tnt are more flexible, I think

[crystal hill]

right, I'm one Doom 2 playthrough away from diving back into the cacowards

[west hedge]

I'm playing doom 1 + 2
I'll just say that all of these new expansions are fucken sick. playing Legacy of Rust. this level Soul Silo is amazing.
it's really impressive how the game got more technical, in design esp
and the music kicks ass
also, f*** master levels, hated them

[torpid yacht]

If you haven't play mods, give it a try

[west hedge]

Idk I never play mods. I'd like to try a what's it called map

the one with billions of monsters :?

[crystal hill]

slaughter maps?

[west hedge]

ye

[crystal hill]

you'll need to tone down the difficulty for most of those

[west hedge]

can you suggest any beginner ones?

[crystal hill]

I'm no slaughter head myself, so I can't really say I can

I've heard Imp rocketing community project is on the easier side

[west hedge]

honestly the only master level I liked was the dark tower or w/e

but they all suck

[crystal hill]

its probably the best one

teeth and bad dream are okay memes

[west hedge]

Idk about any memes 😄

[crystal hill]

as in, they're funny to play

nothing else stands out in my mind as better than a meh

[median cloud]

Yeah master levels are roughhhh

@west hedge play plutonia

[west hedge]

I played them all, I am at last, Legacy of Rust

I couldn't tell you which lvl was which (because there's about 180 total?) but in general I liked everything except master levels

legacy of rust is fkin sick, I press Tab, see 500 monsters remaining, go "wtf"

then I get the BFC (big fkin crossbow) and nuke like 100 enemies at once

amazing

[median cloud]

Yeah its fun

Any idea what you want to play next?

[west hedge]

as in what game?

[crystal hill]

probably which doom wad

[median cloud]

What doom wad yea

[west hedge]

oh 😄

probs gonna be done after this

I'm just playing through because I saw that I got it for free

might try slaughter map, Idk which tho

[woven swallow]

Micro slaughter community project is good thumb 👍

[west hedge]

what's that?

[woven swallow]

A doom2 megawad, compilations of short and "easy" slaughter wads, gets increasingly harder each map

[west hedge]

thanks

is it possible to download it in steam? is there workshop support?

[crystal hill]

Kenny, have you played finely crafted fetish film?

[twin mortar]

What a bizarre name

[crystal hill]

blame ribbicks

[west hedge]

btw what is okuplok?

[crystal hill]

hell

one of the hardest and most ridiculous slaughter maps ever made

[west hedge]

isn't micro slaughter project just normal maps?

[woven swallow]

If you play doom on steam (assuming you are using doom+doom2) you can download the mod directly in the game itself (search it up, you will also need to create a Bethesda account), if it's listed (not all custom maps made for doom are available on steam unfortunately) I recommend switching to a sourceport (like dsda doom), and you can get the wad from IDgames or doomworld

https://youtu.be/L94DpMsIf7k?si=CE9a38-lAOm4Zio7 here's an amazing tutorial for setting sourceports (it should be the same regardless if you get dsda doom or not)

[woven swallow]

I haven't yet, what is it?

[crystal hill]

ribbicks mapset, I wanted to know what to expect before going in

[woven swallow]

Ribbiks mapset 💀

[crystal hill]

I don't tend to enjoy his stuff, but maybe this is an exception

"The set contains large, surreal maps with a heavy emphasis on puzzle-solving and difficult combat, presenting a unique take on the Doom formula and a departure from Ribbiks' trademark style. "

this will either be more my style or I'll quit it on map 1

[woven swallow]

Well..this is my first time actually hearing about this

[crystal hill]

really? you seem to be the slaughter/toughmap nerd around here

I'm only playing it on my quest to play all the cacoward wads

(ignore how I skipped Magnolia because I didn't feel like hurting myself that day)

[woven swallow]

You expect me to know something called "Finely crafted fetish film" 💀

[crystal hill]

hey, like I said, blame ribbicks for the weird ass name

[woven swallow]

Oh wait, hang on, I think I know this one

[crystal hill]

one minute ago:

[woven swallow]

Oh it's fcff, I only know the abbreviation 💀

[crystal hill]

but thats not the right abbreviation

[woven swallow]

https://youtu.be/hAnr-7xwezo?si=MVdfbWEvoajtoJMi

[crystal hill]

105 minute playthrough

Get me some rope, because I feel like I'm about to skip

[woven swallow]

Definitely skip it

[crystal hill]

I'll give it an honest try on HMP, but I do not expect anything

I'll play eviternity next, it'll be a nice palette cleanser

[woven swallow]

Haven't actually played but seen some crazy fights of this mapset, that's all I really knew, never looked deep into it

[woven swallow]

Nice 👍

[crystal hill]

this man wins too many cacowards for the sake of my sanity

[woven swallow]

Well, thanks for reminding me of this, will play Fcff later

[crystal hill]

happy to "help"

[woven swallow]

This is now my 6th ribbiks mapset I believe

[west hedge]

wot's ribbiks?

[crystal hill]

a mapper

infamous for making ridiculously hard maps

[west hedge]

😮

well, legacy of rust is done

last level was sick

damn there's a lot of mods in workshop

100,000 revenants lmao

[woven swallow]

I tried running that, it did not end well

[west hedge]

my fps was 0 for some reason

[woven swallow]

Yeah I wonder

[west hedge]

I am trying nuts.wad

this is hilarious

I'm playing something I've only ever seen on YT

[woven swallow]

I feel like that map ruined people's perception of what an actual slaughtermap is

[west hedge]

this is amazing

[woven swallow]

You play on PC, right? Windows I presume

[west hedge]

PC, but cachyOS

[woven swallow]

Ah i see

[livid light]

damn i use cachyos too! runs a lot better than windows

[woven swallow]

Yeah you can play a crushing majority of mods, even outside of steam

[west hedge]

man this lvl is hard

[west hedge]

ya pretty cool. I had more than 1 issue, but I reported it or got it solved

[woven swallow]

Wait til you see sunder

[west hedge]

ah no voice channels in this server, sadge

[west hedge]

:?

[woven swallow]

Another megawad btw

[west hedge]

so a wad is a level? and megawad is many levels?

or not necessarily

[livid light]

i think there was, but they got removed because of people doing weird stuff

[west hedge]

lmao, imagine? "give me your bfg daddy"

[woven swallow]

Sure... that's about right I'd say XD

[woven swallow]

💀

[west hedge]

ok is sunder in the mods menu?

[woven swallow]

If I remember, yes

[west hedge]

do u want to watch me suffer? I can put a stream on, just to chat 😄

[limber cedar]

Hello guys I am doom

[west hedge]

omg it's the legend, doom

[woven swallow]

If not then I recommend getting a sourceport and downloading the mod as well

[woven swallow]

Sure

[west hedge]

give me a sec

I gotta switch session

[woven swallow]

I'll just be dead silent

[west hedge]

🙁

true doom

as always obs broken : )

one thing I hate about cachyOS is obs does not work properly

aight let's try

[west hedge]

rip, everything is terrible

anyways I completed doom 1 + 2, was fun

which sunder do I download? there's like 4

[wind flicker]

im learning a doom song on guitar, tuff right 😼

[woven swallow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1364028572091813930/1492397250733801488/woof0008.png?ex=69db2ebf&is=69d9dd3f&hm=c59c8a1e759f6ed5a39dade3930bb641b483cd9cc65c4e7da071ed0e6f628287 Ribbiks can always make a good starter map i swear

[spring iron]

Hello, i know there is a megawad really similar to this one, does someone knows its name please ? https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/146762-nostalgic-entropy-neo-retro-mbf21-idgames/

[woven swallow]

neon overdrive

[spring iron]

Thanks !

[median cloud]

Wooh Sunder 06 is also done!!

[median cloud]

Sunder 07 was a looooooot easier wow

like a break map

[harsh atlas]

I beat doom plutonia, i will NOT play this doom anymore

[limber cedar]

Am I in the right server

[crystal hill]

For what?

[limber cedar]

…

Doom

[crystal hill]

That's literally the name of the server

[limber cedar]

nah I mean MF doom

[crystal hill]

then no

because that is not in fact the name of the server

[crystal hill]

It feels really satisfying punching pain elementals to death with no berserk on map 09

they might be my most hated enemy in doom and since I play on UZDoom, I don't get to do this safely very often, lol

[torpid yacht]

Why not? You didn't like it?

[crystal hill]

probably too tough

[harsh atlas]

Too many enemies

[torpid yacht]

Understandable, it was too hard. No need to stress, you made the right call

[lost ocean]

Why

[twin mortar]

#classic-doom message

[lost ocean]

Mm

Valid

[calm lichen]

Final Doom as a whole just isn’t it

[crystal hill]

hard disagree. Plutonia's my favourite classic doom set

[calm lichen]

Y’know what, at least it isn’t TNT

Individually, Plutonia is actually pretty good

[twin mortar]

...well #general message

[crystal hill]

TNT weighs it down, but Final Doom collectively is still neat

[calm lichen]

Yeah, real chicken cartridge moment Nome

[twin mortar]

This is pure gibberish to everyone else

[calm lichen]

That is true

But thats the fun of an inside joke

[crystal hill]

jesse what the FUCK are you talking about

[calm lichen]

Sometimes I forget that Final Doom is an actual installment

[twin mortar]

The context is funnier than the actual joke

[calm lichen]

D’ya think if we ever get a proper Doom 64 remaster that we’ll also get new expansions?

[crystal hill]

bro's never heard of the lost levels

or the doom 64 remaster for that matter

[calm lichen]

I know

I’m talking more D+D2 remaster

[twin mortar]

It's outdated because it doesn't let you toggle widescreen

[crystal hill]

this is like that though

they aren't exactly the same, but both are remasters of the original game/s

[livid light]

ye, its also based on kex engine and they basically have the same goal, only that d64 doesnt have mod/addon support

[crystal hill]

there's like 6 doom 64 mods

[twin mortar]

Didn't stop them from giving mod support to Heretic

[crystal hill]

heretic and hexen have more mods

[twin mortar]

Seven

[crystal hill]

They have far more

[twin mortar]

Eight?

[livid light]

wait really? but what i mean is that theres no accessible way to download like in d+d2

[crystal hill]

there's at least one in every bloody cacowards ceremony

usually two

[crystal hill]

sure, but my point is that its not really needed to do that, since there's so few of them

[twin mortar]

Well to be fair the reason 64 had no mods was because it was officially only an N64 title for most of its life

If they added proper mod support to it, a bigger scene could have emerged

[crystal hill]

didn't stop the mario 64 people

[twin mortar]

DOOM 64 is not nearly as big as Mario 64 was lol

[crystal hill]

I didn't say that

[livid light]

but maybe making an addons menu would’ve incentivized people into making more mods

[crystal hill]

I was giving an example of another n64 game that had lots of mods for it despite being an n64 title

[twin mortar]

And what I said still stands

[crystal hill]

not without proper tools available

[twin mortar]

You're right but we're talking about Mario 64 vs DOOM 64

[crystal hill]

What I'm saying is its possible to make N64 mods

and no one really did/does for doom 64

because it sucks and you can do similar things with gzdoom

[twin mortar]

To make mods you generally want an audience that actually can and wants to play them

This loops back to the game officially being stuck on N64, it cut the playerbase off

[calm lichen]

Fuck it, give us Doom 64 Retribution as the 64 port

[twin mortar]

Mario 64 did not have this issue because it's Mario 64

[calm lichen]

I think its Retribution

[twin mortar]

DOOM is also generally remembered as a PC franchise especially back then

[crystal hill]

it also had a fan port like 20 years ago

[calm lichen]

The actual faithful remake of 64 for GZ/UZ

[twin mortar]

Didn't stop the game from being less known (which I don't really understand)

[crystal hill]

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Doom64_EX

[calm lichen]

I say give us a new 64 port as if I don’t want a bunch of other ports before they even think about it

[livid light]

kex 2 actually comes from doom64 ex, so everything came full circle lol

[crystal hill]

the less I play doom 64 the better it is for my attention span

[calm lichen]

At this point we just need a full remake of the game because I don’t think its remasterable

And just hear me out

[crystal hill]

meh

not every game needs a remake

64 has its fans already

[calm lichen]

I don’t mean turn the game into modern Doom

[twin mortar]

You'd have people crying that they made the Slayer weak

[calm lichen]

Remake the game as a modern-classic Doom game

Fuck it, just make it into a Doom 64 built in Doom 2

[crystal hill]

already exists

[calm lichen]

I know

Doom 64R is just perfect for 64

64 is so lacking with its sprites

[crystal hill]

they lack a bit of colour, but they aren't bad otherwise

need to change the shotgunner/zombieman though, woof

[calm lichen]

I love the way 64 looks but the way its animated just isn’t it

Give us better reloads from the shotgun and ssg

Just modernize the game a little so it isn’t the most visually boring main classic title

Or give use Hexen and Heretic 2 ports

[woven swallow]

too hard ?

[median cloud]

sunder 08 is also doneee

[woven swallow]

Nice 👍

[thorny bison]

Could someone help me download Doom on my retro console?

[west hedge]

Hi all

Can yall give me some cool vids about iconic doom wads? Like nuts, 100000 revenants. Etc

[woven swallow]

https://youtu.be/qiBwtTRNBuk?si=5GMz7MH_t3hhT1HF

Doom's most infamous and influential mapset

[bitter shoal]

that's not wow.wad

[west hedge]

Nice vid, but we need more action

[west hedge]

Yall got any infamous vids?

[woven swallow]

what type are you looking for? video essays? gameplay?

happy to provide

[woven swallow]

https://youtu.be/5wAo54DHDY0 i guess this maybe

[wind flicker]

My guitar stirng popped

[west hedge]

No essayye this is 10/10

[west hedge]

No essay

[woven swallow]

https://youtu.be/23OIutIqdR0

[torpid yacht]

I think plutonia 2 is the hardest wad I've played so far.

Im almost finished

[median cloud]

Plutonia 2 is a tough cookie

I gotta play through that one again

[crystal hill]

its tough, very tough, but doable

if I can beat it, many people can

[crystal hill]

While playing The Inmost Dens, I got hit with the ghost enemy glitch

so the last quarter or so of the level was me trying desperately to find the rocket launcher while pursued by a ghosy zombieman

[median cloud]

dang dont think I ever had this happen in Doom on a map it wasnt intended to happen

[crystal hill]

I play almost exclusively on UZDoom so its fixed there

The only time it can possibly happen is on the kexengine or dsda on the rare occasion I play on those

[median cloud]

Andddd sunder 09 is also done

a step up in difficulty from 07 and 08 but not as bad as 05 or 06

[pastel hatch]

How the hell do I get to the window to the red keycard in underhalls

[median cloud]

strafe run

set always run to "on" if you havent yet

[pastel hatch]

Yeah I can't figure that out

Playing on the doom eternal port btw so don't know if that's shittier

I mean I did do it once but I died after

[median cloud]

its not a very hard jump to make normally

you go along the side and then straferun to the house

[pastel hatch]

Got it

Aaand I can never pass this level

[median cloud]

try an easier difficulty maybe?

assuming you play with a mouse and have always run on it shouldnt be too hard

[crystal hill]

that might be the key issue here

[median cloud]

its why I bring it up

I assume if someone is struggling with early doom levels one of these isnt being applied

[lost ocean]

I got that in monster condo once with a HELL KNIGHT

[polar gust]

¿Decino?

[lost ocean]

Look closely

[atomic dust]

it's someone that uses decino's pfp lol

[lost ocean]

I heart pumpkin man : )

[crystal hill]

what a pain

one of the bugs I'm glad source ports got rid of

[polar gust]

I thought you were Decino, hahaha

[lost ocean]

Fr

Ah

[torpid yacht]

It's not that bad, looking forward to harder wads.

[median cloud]

what else have you finished that could be considered hard?

[median cloud]

@crystal hill been playing some pl2 again and its a lot meaner than I remembered lol

[crystal hill]

really?

[median cloud]

in classic plutonia fashion it already becomes hard early on

[crystal hill]

you've beaten a bunch of really hard as shit maps

[median cloud]

I dont mean its super hard but rather mean

[crystal hill]

I figured Plut 2 wouldn't be so bad now

[median cloud]

Like I wont expect something take a tp and get ambushed stuff like that

if I know whats coming its fine

[crystal hill]

that's how Plutonia goes

[median cloud]

yea pretty much

[solemn socket]

i tried to combat the 1:1.2 aspect ratio but instead i got this horribly fat status bar face
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1450062150658953278/1492796532209090580/image.png?ex=69dca29c&is=69db511c&hm=7f67ce31fa32b069fa6740bd73e814027bca4a12514e01ada7d2123f094cef59&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

where did i go wrong

[median cloud]

@crystal hill its a fun thought experiment to think what wads have the hardest first 10 maps

scythe/scythe 2 for example have very very easy map 1-10s

hr as well

pl2 and requiem have relatively tough early maps

[crystal hill]

out of the megawads I've played, Plut 2 might be the king on that front

but then again, I haven't played many wads that are tough but not ridiculously tough lately

those don't seem to win many cacowards

[median cloud]

I was more talking about the big megawads as well

not your sunders or your kaizo mappacks

I think pl2 might also be king yeah

I actually like pl2 a lot idk how but they really nail the og plut feel

[crystal hill]

I'll need to look through my list of 2010s wads, to see what in there is actually Plut 2 levels of tough

[median cloud]

while still being original

[crystal hill]

I'm seeing a few wads that were tough, but nothing approaching Plut 2 levels

or wads like C Shock 2 or Sunlust that make me want to jump off my local cliff

[median cloud]

Sunlust alledgedly isnt that hard early on

c shock2 I dont count

Ancient aliens might actually be up there

has some tough traps even early on

[crystal hill]

its a little tough

but very managable. I'd say its a set of 10 levels that is really really tough

15, 32, 20, and 23 onwards

[crystal hill]

right, but I'm looking for wads that are overall as hard as Plut 2

I tend to play stuff thats way easier or way harder

[median cloud]

ah yeah I was talking mostly about the first maps

mappacks like plut 2 there are plenty I think

[crystal hill]

I hope Eviternity is like that

[median cloud]

Its a bit easier than plut 2 for sure

Ancient aliens levels of difficulty

[crystal hill]

thaaat should be fine then

though I play much worse on mappacks I've never played before, so I could struggle a little bit here

[median cloud]

@crystal hill what do you think of archviolence?

[crystal hill]

one of my favourite maps of all time

almost entirely because of nostalgia

the atmosphere, especially when I first played it, was unparalleled

[median cloud]

I was about to say aesthetic and atmosphere an easy S tier

[torpid yacht]

Tetanus

[median cloud]

But I think the combat might suck too much

Ill play it next session

[crystal hill]

I get the argument. Some encounters arent great

but being two - four hits away from death at any time is really nerve wracking

[median cloud]

I am looking forward to it

I do hope to find another map I want to give a S grade

[crystal hill]

I think its the most purely distilled arch vile combat I have ever seen

its you, your super shotgun, versus hordes of viles

[median cloud]

As long as its ssg vs arches and not like sg

[crystal hill]

Have you ever tried to load Plutonia 2 or any Final Doom reliant megawad in Doom 2?

a lot of the textures and the skybox goes completely black

But everything is still fully playable. Thats how I played Plutonia 2 for most of my life

I consider it inferior now, of course, except with arch violence

the clear sky and lack of blackness really weakens the atmosphere IMO

[median cloud]

Ah hmmm

Never seen that properly happen

[crystal hill]

I didn'ty actually own final doom back then, so I had no choice but to play plut 2 like that

I cannot see Comeback in my head except with the black textures everywhere

[median cloud]

Comeback is a great opening map

[crystal hill]

I just replayed it on a whim, with those black textures

it feels like coming back home

I may have already said this before, but Plut 2 is the wad I am most nostalgic for, except MAYBE Golden Souls 1

its good on its own, but my nostalgic love for it propels it very high up my favourites list

That being said, Black Ice has surpassed Arch Violence as my favourite map from the set

[median cloud]

I do remember really liking that one

Not quite as atmospheric as archviolence tho

I do seem to rate atmosphere really highly since all my S rank graded maps ooze atmosphere