classic-doom

[vast reef]

anyway

www.gamers.org/pub/idgames/historic/doomprbt.zip

@bronze rune

https://doom.fandom.com/wiki/Doom_press_release_beta

have you tried the basic instructions here?

lmk if anything goes wrong

lawlll

ily ur so funny

[vale gyro]

They're asking for the Doom 2 beta, though?

[vast reef]

oh oops

maybe i was the useless-ass response all along

wait no hold on

[vale gyro]

I think Doomkid made a video on the Doom 2 betas

might be worthwhile checking there for something

[vast reef]

no no coder

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Versions_of_Doom_and_Doom_II

doom 2 never had a 1.3 as far as i can see here

well, an official one at least

okay no we shouldn't think of the engines as doom 1 and 2

just doom, and the wads are doom 1 and 2 and the engine either supports just doom 1 or both

doom v1.3 had partial doom 2 support

the first doom 2 version of the engine was in between 1.666 and 1.7

so the 1.3 they're asking for shouuld technically be the one i sent

[red harbor]

Fandom wiki mentioned, linking to the better wiki

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Doom_press_release_beta

[drifting scarab]

heya

nice to meet you all

[vast reef]

shit sorry lol

[red harbor]

No worries

[azure nimbus]

They released a new game that I haven't played

[bronze rune]

Because I want to investigate the Beta version of DOOM 2 since I already did it with ALL the alphas and prereleases of doom 1. (Sorry for answering late uuuuhhh)

Okay.
What actually happened is that I CAN'T FIND THE ROM FOR VERSION 1.3 ANYWHERE!!! And I can't believe it. I've only been able to play the 1.6 beta (apparently the newest one).

[bronze rune]

Okay, but...
I think I've already tried this... The problem is that it only has DOOM.EXE and when I run it it doesn't load the file, it just tells me something like "DOOM, ID Software 1993. Shareware Version, don't distribute it!"

[cold wadi]

ah ok interesting, so just deep diving on the development by observing the differences in early versions, dope

[bronze rune]

Thanks anyway, I guess.

[bronze rune]

Great! Thanks, I'll be checking this and the messages that follow.

It doesn't work

It only talks about the DOOM 1 Prototypes, like any other page. 😴

[bronze rune]

Yeah, BUT... It is recognized as 1.4 in the internal memory because the only copy we have is hacked to say "DOOM system Startup v1.4" instead of 1.3 unfortunately as far as I know.

[azure nimbus]

I don't think 1.3 was ever officially released

[bronze rune]

Ok?

I've seen videos on the internet and YouTube showing evidence of a (at least seemingly) official version of the 1.3/1.4 beta being hacked.

[bronze rune]

(It's the final beta of Doom 1 and not 2, I don't know why I didn't say it before)

[vast reef]

they just updated the og doom source code to have doom 2 iwad support

the versions essentially are just doom

so there's no doom 1.3 and doom 2 1.3 yk

there's just doom 1.3

at least from what i can gather from doomwiki?

[bronze rune]

Ohhhh...

[bronze rune]

Dmn

[bronze rune]

Ok?

Great. I guess.

[bronze rune]

Ok

[vast reef]

broski did not have 2 reply to all that 😭😭

[upper abyss]

heretic + hexen remaster out tday

[crisp spade]

Any good doom 93 wads

[teal delta]

i have that annoying issue when you open the game the sound gets like crap in my bluetooth headset. is there a way to permanently fix it instead of having to deactivate hands on every time?

[modern otter]

Are you on Xbox?

[woven swallow]

sigill and sigill 2
double impact
dead sea scrolls
the way id did
thats pretty much all doom 1 custom maps i know

i suggest stick to doom2 for custom maps because the high majority is made for doom2

[modern otter]

That reminds me of the "my house" mod for DOOM II
A crazy experience

It may have been called "my friend's house"

Regardless...

[woven swallow]

most overratted mod ever, experience BEEEEETER mods than that slop

[sharp wyvern]

be fr mang

[median cloud]

My house was revolutionary when it came out and kinda was released around the same time the backrooms had this internet hype surrounding it

Aside from that the gameplay is pretty meh and I think some other mappacks have better atmosphere

Hellgrounds does the horror creepy stuff very well imo

[woven swallow]

i am, myhouse.wad is trash and my hate for it will only grow bigger

[final palm]

whats yalls favorite demon to kill

me personally i like to shoot down a gang of imps with a plasma rifle

so satisfying

[woven swallow]

cyberdemons

[vast reef]

tryhard hate

myhouse.wad is essentially a loose adaptation of house of leaves and i love artsy doom wads

i just hate myhouse because NOBODY WHO PLAYED IT GIVES A SHIT ABOUT OTHER WADS and it was the ONLY fucking wad people would talk about for MONTHS

[median cloud]

always the case when something gets popular in an otherwise niche community. Same happened with Brutal Doom. Just be grateful for the couple of people who do dive deeper into Doom Wads because of it

[vast reef]

brutal doom would be cool if it was still 2012 and i was 13

gonna be fr i like it aesthetically

just not a fan of the gameplay because its not fast or chaotic in the way i want

[vast reef]

brutal doom was cool because it subverted the traditional strategies you used for doom

but its been over a decade all that noveltys worn off

[velvet loom]

Hello,I am a platinum hunter and I am trying to platinum doom-2016 the only problem is that this game has some multiplayer trophies and currently I cant seem to find any players to get in a game . Can some people que with me and try to get the multiplayer trophies ? thanks.

[vast reef]

wrong channel buddyboy

[velvet loom]

Ok

[twin mortar]

Edgy 4chan user aesthetic tbh

[ruby dome]

After the Doom: Dark Ages speed run ZELLLOOO will be speed running Doom 64 on the hardest difficulty! https://www.twitch.tv/moderndoomspeedrunning

[ruby dome]

About to start soon!

[frigid laurel]

Anyone known of any ai upscaled enemy and gore sprites for brutal doom?

Also was curious about brutal heretic and perhaps brutal hexen as well. Kinda impossible to go back to vanilla doom after playing with the gore in brutal doom

[teal delta]

can someone help me?
im trying to open heretic + hexen but the sound with my bluetooth headset is garbage

[mighty walrus]

sometimes the games don't like the bluetooth headphones. That happened to me before with classic Doom. Go into your desktop sound settings and try one of the different connections that pops up/if you're on your Bluetooth try and different sound settings, vice versa.

[vast reef]

no, that's grezzo

[teal delta]

what do u mean try one of the different connections?

[teal delta]

this should be pinned

[mighty walrus]

sorry for the quality, my lights are low rn

Try switching your output device is what I mean and see if that works

[teal delta]

i found a way, i referenced it above, but ty!

[mighty walrus]

awesome glad to hear!

[teal delta]

sad they havent fixed it yet

it was on since last year

[mighty walrus]

Yeah my bluetooth headphones haaates pretty much any Doom game

Wouldn't play the music at all.

[teal delta]

LOL yea. it happens to me on Eternal and on the classic remasters. doesnt happen in any other game at all

it was the first time i had such issue

[mighty walrus]

I built an entire new pc and now use corded headphones (which is also a pain in the ass) but at least my sound works now

[teal delta]

i see

my pc is positioned in a way that using a corded headphone would be painful lol

and this bluetooth headset has ANC

so i dont intend to use anything else for a long time

[twin mortar]

I'm pretty much forced to only use corded ones because I mainly play on Xbox

[delicate sluice]

Working my way through DOOM for the first time

currently on E3

I have realised E3 isn't pulling any punches

[green parrot]

#screenshots message

does anyone know how to get there?

[delicate sluice]

Okay scratch that, wtf is Thy Flesh Consumed

wtf E4:M2

who decided to fuck with the players like that

[twin mortar]

The best one imo

[high depot]

Yeah E4 is something else

Just wait for E5

[sharp wyvern]

It’s very funny

[sharp wyvern]

I actually found E5 easier than E4

E6 though oooohhhh E6

[high depot]

Haven't done E6 yet. I'm still playing through Base Ganymede instead of E5. Kinda stuck to what's available on the Switch versions of the Classic games for the time being, so I'm gonna finish Ganymede and a few other things that are available in DOOM before moving on properly to DOOM + DOOM II for the rest. It's real real slow though, I get very little gaming time in a week.

But yeah, in my latest playthrough I did get through E1 - E4 at least

[deft hatch]

does anyone know the best place to ask for technical information on the original doom engine?

[vestal flower]

Either here or tech talk

[deft hatch]

oh gotchu

in that case i was wondering how doom uses the bsp tree to speed up collision detection with hitboxes. i get tracing a ray through the bsp tree but since the player has a hitbox instead of just being a point, the engine would need to somehow trace a hitbox through the map

my best guess is that the game stores a seperate bsp tree with each wall expanded with the minkowski difference of the wall and the hitbox like quake does with brushes instead of walls, but considering doom was running on more memory constrained systems than quake i'd imagine the same approach wasn't taken in doom considering all the bsp trees needed for each possible hitbox size

i tried looking at the collision code in the source code itself but honestly couldn't make heads or tails of what was going on there

[minor musk]

anyone wanna play some doom 1+2 ?

[high depot]

Co-op or deathmatch?

[minor musk]

im fine with co-op

[high depot]

Yeah that's fine with me as well. I'll be kinda bad because I'm on Switch and sometimes have to push buttons on here too, but I'll join ya.

[minor musk]

oooo fun

im jus taking advantage of the ps plus free weekend 😭

[high depot]

Right on

I'll be sure to be a good anchor when I have to step away so you can at least respawn, but I'll do a good amount of killing here too.

[minor musk]

Im a decent player

like almost 130 hours in 🥹

[high depot]

I can't measure my playtime in hours. I've played a LOT since 1993. That's the best I can do lol.

[minor musk]

damnnnn

you gonna make the match?

[high depot]

Might be better if you do since I'm stuck to wifi on the Switch

[minor musk]

fair enoughh

what we gonna do

[high depot]

Idk. Were you looking to stroll through a vanilla game, or did you want a recommendation for a custom one? Because honestly Sigil is pretty solid, but can be tough. But there's also stuff like Base Ganymede or uhh.... Crap I forget the ones for DOOM 2... I know Switch is limited, I gotta look

[minor musk]

im down for some random custom stuff

[high depot]

Back to Saturn X can be fun too. Wasn't sure if that was in there, but it is

[minor musk]

oooooo

havent tried that one

[high depot]

Idk if you've created the room or not, but I'm not seeing it in the list so far.

[minor musk]

i was tryna find Saturn X 😭

i dunno where is it

[high depot]

Mods - > Featured Mods

[minor musk]

Ah

still dont see it

[high depot]

"BTSX"

There are two episodes

[minor musk]

oh im dumb 😭

[high depot]

Nah. It's not obvious if you don't already call it BTSX. The full name would probably be too long for the line though.

[minor musk]

got it set up < 3

[high depot]

Not seeing it so far

[minor musk]

weird

its public

[high depot]

All 3 matches I was seeing are gone now... Might be on my end.

[minor musk]

probably

[high depot]

The ol' turn it off and back on should do it.

Well I see servers again, but don't think I see yours. Is crossplay enabled in your settings?

[minor musk]

it sure is

[high depot]

Huh... Well that's weird that I can't find you. First time I've had this issue. Is there a room code or something I could try?

[minor musk]

XRSB

[high depot]

"You were disconnected from the lobby"

Hmm.

I'm up to date

Weird.

[minor musk]

hmmmm you try

[high depot]

Alright sure

Got one open

[minor musk]

whats ur user

[high depot]

Kamme

[minor musk]

found it!

[viscid jay]

I….i can’t believe that this is a thing…

So…uhhh…MYHOUSE.wad…can be played on a phone.

HOW. HOW?
I HAVE. A PS5.
That has doom (with mods)
AND I CANT PLAY IT THERE.
BUT.
my effing phone can?! WHAT IS THIS SORCERY?

[woven swallow]

because

you need gzdoom

[minor musk]

that was funnn

died a lot

[viscid jay]

And my phone can handle that????
(I have a app that’s called genZD)

[high depot]

Yeah I am suddenly falling asleep and getting killed in stupid ways a lot haha

[minor musk]

awh thats okayy

[high depot]

Was fun though

[minor musk]

i got a lot to learnn

[high depot]

Getting through them archviles was fun at the end of the first one

[woven swallow]

well its not because ps5 can't handle myhouse, its because it doesn't support the modding tech that myhouse.wad uses, the port of ps5 is a purist port, unlike in gzdoom where it supports a whole wide variety of features to mod doom

[viscid jay]

Ooooooooh that makes sense

Any recommendations of mods or games through GZdoom?

[woven swallow]

Brutal doom, Lullbay, Breakpoint, Final doomer, Bloom, After Doom

[viscid jay]

I got brutal doom

Can blood be in gzdoom???

Or is that another thing?

[woven swallow]

blood like the build engine game blood?

or something else

[viscid jay]

Yea sorry I don’t know this stuff

The game

[woven swallow]

its alright

[woven swallow]

yeah, no, you will need nblood sourceport to run blood

[viscid jay]

Ok thanks
Heretic?

[woven swallow]

or Notblood, Bulidgdx and Raze, pick what you want i gues

[woven swallow]

dsda doom

which is also a good port for doom as well

and for hexen

[viscid jay]

So there’s NO games for gzdoom?

[woven swallow]

what?

[viscid jay]

Well I mean games that USE the software

[woven swallow]

oh like using the gzdoom to create completely different games?

[viscid jay]

Yessssssss

[woven swallow]

yeah there's many out there

wait, do you have a pc?

[viscid jay]

Can you name any that ARENT doom related and no I’m using my phone XD

I have a app called GenZD

it’s a GZdoom app

[woven swallow]

i have never heard of that

[viscid jay]

ME NEITHER XD

[woven swallow]

the only thing i know how to play doom on mobile is only delta touch

i need to check it out for myself

does it only support gzdoom? or other ports?

[viscid jay]

Well just to work ya you should pay for it (it gives you infinite slots for files)
The free version does the job but it’s file sources are limited (like you can put a few files at a time)

And I think just GZ doom

[woven swallow]

okay then

[viscid jay]

Oh wait my mistake I think it’s just the launch configurations

[woven swallow]

you can dm for help, i'll be there to help as always

[viscid jay]

You can only have 3 at a time

And ok

And seriously IM SO HAPPY TO FINALLY PLAY BRUTAL DOOM

[woven swallow]

as 3 at time as in? like ports or

[woven swallow]

there's also brutal doom platnium and project brutality if you are interested

[viscid jay]

I dmed you

[remote parcel]

Hi, Can I play the DOOM 1 + DOOM 2 campaign with a friend in online co-op?

[sharp wyvern]

yes

[sharp wyvern]

oh i do love base ganymede

[remote parcel]

Thanks, do you know if I can do this on the new heretic + hexen too?

[sharp wyvern]

i dont have those games </3

[twin mortar]

You can

[remote parcel]

Thanks

[trail viper]

was playing sunlust and saw two barons of hell infighting... hype moments and rare aura

[azure nimbus]

Barrels

[trail viper]

yes

[delicate sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-happy-celebration-joy-confetti-gif-25557730

[twin mortar]

I hate this achievement's description with my life

[viscid jay]

Any recommendations for GZdoom mods or wads? (New to GZdoom)

[viscid jay]

https://tenor.com/view/clapping-leonardo-dicaprio-leo-dicaprio-well-done-applause-gif-1867988353188143738

[austere tangle]

DOOM on 3DO is phenomenal for quite a few reasons. The music, how much of an MVP Rebecca was for programming, and how badly crunch time can impact a game/port

[twin mortar]

The CEO of the company behind the port has been up to some very fucked up shit

[candid birch]

Combined arms, Trailblazer, Guncaster, Embers of Armageddon

for wads... Scythe series, memento mori, doom the way id did, also a few good series are the DUMP series, RAMP series and the Mayhem series

[viscid jay]

Do you know one where the entirety of doom 1 is one map????

I forgot what it’s called

[bronze rune]

GUYS!

I finally have DOOM DELTA!

(3 days ago Bruh)

[candid birch]

I know what you're thinking... There's two I'm just trying to think...

[bronze rune]

v

[candid birch]

https://www.moddb.com/mods/doomone There's this which is each ep with a few new areas to flesh it out more...

https://www.moddb.com/mods/doom-free-roam-pack There's also this one which has each ep in a big ass map to run around in

But yeah. DUMP, RAMP and mayhem are pretty solid. The first two are projects to allow new peeps to get their names out there, and mayhem is themed maps like one of em has you splatting hell across the mushroom kingdom and another in a cyberpunk city.

Oh another couple of mods I use at times are HXTRC Gold. and Final Doomer

HXTRC is a whole ass package with weapons and monsters and other stuff.

Final doomer is a bunch of weapons based on a few wads: Doom, Plutonia, TNT, JPCP, BTSX, Alien Vendetta and Whitemare. The weapons mostly stay the same with some quirks like AV's pistol can fire as fast as you can hit fire or for hellbound the shotgun can fire up to three times but you pump for each shot or your RL is C4 which has options on the menu for how you want it to operate.

Another good mod for when you just don't care and want to watch demons go splat? Russian Overkill. The weapons are OP as hell and on the easiest you have god mode and will be getting WAY more ammo then you'll need but it's not ment to be balanced. This is when you just want to vent via making demons die in vodka powered nuclear hellfire.

@viscid jay ^

Oh and OBVIOUSLY I can't forget the Romero maps such as E1m4 and e1m8 b which are remakes of those maps, One humanity, and the sigil maps.

[vast reef]

im the #1 project malice shill

[desert tinsel]

Well I can't post a link but Odamex version 11.1 was just released for anyone that wants to check it out.

[young escarp]

I'm facing an issue for a while now that I'm kicked out of lobbies or players leave servers the moment I join, I'm guessing you're hearing some rumours about me in particular and something about some weird climatic phenomenon, said stalking gossiper is feeding you said BS btw, quick version is on my Twitter btw. I want to know if anyone wants to discuss it

[mighty walrus]

tf are you talking about? This kind of thing happens all the time and it's not personal

Your rant sounds insane

[young escarp]

In my case is personal, either way players can clarify instead of playing dumb or just not playing at all

[mighty walrus]

How do you know it's personal?

I'm just saying people do it a lot, I've had it happen to me before for no reasons at all

[young escarp]

Just wrote about it on Twitter, feel free to look, same username

[mighty walrus]

nah I'm good

[icy umbra]

No

[willow trail]

Hi

[woven swallow]

Hello

[sharp wyvern]

tried to beat capybara today

that shit is hard

[woven swallow]

https://youtu.be/qiBwtTRNBuk?si=Pmf1kRzglP9h5utF PEAK

[vast reef]

"The second take is that it is based on my opinion on gender ideology and woke BS or whatever else I post in social media, which is free speech, and this is the only gaming crew showing this behavior, but I take that others will follow."

LMFAOOOO

you already know why you're getting kicked bro

top 10 vic_tso moments

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/890530510969897000/1404601118020993116/1gwhh26.png?ex=689bc83a&is=689a76ba&hm=5e4c84929902b636b2c16aeaaf370ba0b449e8a5c422fa1511d5527a8ff70806&=&width=659&height=156

[twin mortar]

I really like the assumption that people kicking him out is a personalized attack and not just something people do because they wanna hog lobbies. Either that or you just have to really suck

[cold wadi]

these look incredible

[candid birch]

They're decently fun. Doom:one is interesting as to how they could connect and free roam makes some amusing situations especially when throwing other mods in since there's large open bits between the areas and it's a bit different from usual so that there is some progression

[cold wadi]

just to see like doom levels interconnected in an open world inside the doom engine is incredibly interesting to me lol

even if they all have to be copied pasted/remade from scratch lol

[desert tinsel]

Odamex Monday Night Horde starts in 5 minutes! Join us to fight back the horde with Odamex 11.1.0 (google Odamex)

[vast reef]

its the latter lol

check his twitter

not all of it is personalized obviously but i think a good portion of his being kicked and stuff is because he's an ass

[halcyon willow]

As someone who is very familiar with the zandro community I can say with authority that you have to be a truly terrible piece of garbage to get kicked on sight from public servers

[terse pebble]

Hello, I am looking to replay OG Doom 1 & 2. I am looking to do it through emulation so using a rom I can rip. Are there any good console/handheld rom hacks for doom? Looking to avoid playing on Pc

[vast reef]

doom isn't really a very romhacked game unfortunately

what are your reasons for playing it through emulation specifically? if you're on mobile you can play with delta touch

[terse pebble]

That’s what I’m learning from Google/rsddit. Any opinion on what console release is best?

My schedule is just hard to game on anything other than my phone, it would take me a month to beat it on PC, as mobile could knock out week or less.

I’m on IPhone so sadly can’t do delta touch

[vast reef]

doom is also on retroarch iirc, it had a prboom core

[vast reef]

doom psx, but that's a different game kinda

[terse pebble]

Oh let me look into the prboom corr

[vast reef]

i think the jaguar version would be good?

[vast reef]

probably your best bet

[terse pebble]

Alright thanks for the advice

[cold wadi]

or you could play night dive's version on steam deck complete with mods and new episodes 🙂

[vast reef]

lol

vortex try to be helpful challenge any%

can they do it!?

[willow trail]

Wtf vortex is my nickname

[cold wadi]

oh snap lol, yah I've only had it since playing in quake 1 ctf in the 90s

[willow trail]

Damn. Sorry, I didn't know such a nickname already existed.

[cold wadi]

hah I've seen a bunch of vortex's over the years all good

[sharp fractal]

is there any word on a joy con mouse control for doom 1 & 2 for the switch now that the switch 2 is out?

[tardy plume]

if FPS titles add literally nothing else for Switch 2, just the ability to use the joycon mouse control would improve every one of them

[desert tinsel]

Public classic CTF on Odamex in 6 minutes

Trying to get a 3v3 game going if anyone can help out

Need 1 more for 6 players

[true urchin]

what do you guys think the most annoying classic doom enemy

[little oar]

Pain elemental, no contest
They're fun in concept because lost souls are cool as hell but if there's a lot of them they can get real annoying to deal with real fast
(Even if the trick is to just hug them because they lack a physical attack)

[sharp wyvern]

Mindweaver or Pain Elemental

[azure nimbus]

MINDWEAVER? Who is that?

[sharp wyvern]

An enemy from the Legacy of Rust expansion for Doom II

[desert tinsel]

Public DOOM 2 CTF in 15 minutes! Anthology CTF || Grab Odamex 11.1.0 and use Odalauncher to see the server and connect! All players are welcome - no need to be a pro

[halcyon willow]

You might want to post the server if you want people to join

[desert tinsel]

134.209.174.239:10677 Its also the only server in the launcher that will have people in it

[desert tinsel]

Unfortunately only 3 people joined so we will try again in 30 minutes

[desert tinsel]

Trying again now! We have 2 in the server currently

We have 4! Need 2 more for a great match of CTF! All are welcome to play you dont have to be good

We have 6 now :)

[fallen moat]

beat map 28 :D

https://youtu.be/EKQduAXSgkI?si=gu3E2FwPqO8nrx0S

[finite crag]

The map 29 of brisk 2 is just impossible

I wonder if D64 will ever get the multiplayer that was scrapped

probably not but I'd like to dream

[wintry copper]

you absolute madlad

meanwhile starting to wrap up TNT Revilution, at map 26 now

it's really good though some levels just drag on and are confusing af especially Redrum, it's not a bad level but goddamn does it just drag on and on

[median cloud]

I love that mappack

27 is great and so is 13(I think)

[wintry copper]

oh I can't wait to get to 27

[median cloud]

Nevermind I mean map 12

12 and 27

27 has one of my favorite doom soundtracks of all time

[wintry copper]

yea Hangman's Curse is great, also really dig Nukage Zone, Devil's Den, Desolation, Pharaoh's Claim and also Transduction/MAP12 especially

the last of those has one of my favorite PWAD soundtracks and atmospheres ever

[median cloud]

Yeah transduction atmosphere is unmatched but I think map 27 does it great as well. It just has such an evil tune

[wintry copper]

I can't wait to get to it

as it stands I think it's an easy 9/10, would be a 10 if not for The Crash Site and Redrum being confusing messes

[median cloud]

12 is very dark like PSX Doom but 27 is more evil

It's a weird distinction to make but one that seems accurate to me when comparing the two tunes

Plutonia 2 map 20 also has such an evil soundtrack

[wintry copper]

that's one WAD I still need to get to

[median cloud]

Is crash site the one with the tight cyberdemon at the end?

[wintry copper]

yes

[median cloud]

Ah yeah that one caused me a couple of resets

[wintry copper]

dude that Cybie scared the hell out of me the first time around

I had to reload like once or twice but I got the hang of it pretty quickly

[median cloud]

Definitely do Plutonia 2 is one my favorites as well

[wintry copper]

some people seem unhappy about it feeling very different to the original but I'll be more than happy to give it a try

[median cloud]

It is more of a sequel yeah, PRCP is more of a remake imo

I mean TNT Revilution is also different from the original

[wintry copper]

it is but the feel is absolutely still there

as long as Plutonia 2 does the same I won't mind

[fallen moat]

thanks :D

I think I dropped TNT at around the middle point. I really gotta finish that one

[wintry copper]

aw

wait Revolution or Evilution?

[whole crown]

Chat is saturn x episode 1 and 2 worth a professional person?

Or is it too easy?

[woven swallow]

play it with coop spawns

[whole crown]

If only.

[woven swallow]

if only what

[whole crown]

Don't have more members

I play on a 12 year old tab on prboom

Whatchu expect

[woven swallow]

you can play it without other players

[whole crown]

yeah ik

[woven swallow]

wdym by don't have more members?

[whole crown]

As in someone to play co-op with.

[woven swallow]

the maps aren't impossible to beat without another player

[whole crown]

I know man, I've played it a bit, I'm asking that is it worth my time, or just an easy peasy wad?

Cuz I've played scythe, plutonia, tnt, blood, and many more

[woven swallow]

its worth playing, its not a total cake walk

if you want more harder wads, i can suggest them for you

[whole crown]

Sure.

[whole crown]

Alright then.

Thanks dude.

[woven swallow]

dm me if you want more custom content, always here to provide

[whole crown]

Bet.

[wintry copper]

so I tried The Siege II in HR2

two words: never again

[fringe bobcat]

This aint youtube lil bro

[bronze rune]

||2||!

[fallen moat]

Evilution, I think!

[ancient torrent]

why do microsoft wavetable samples suck so much assss bro

[rare drum]

someone, do plutiona 2 damageless, nightmare and fists only.

[wintry copper]

ah nice, Evilution's pretty good too

[fallen moat]

What's the difference? I actually never heard of Revolution lol

[wintry copper]

Evilution was originally released as part of Final Doom in 1996, Revilution is a fan sequel that came out in 2017

it actually split off the original TNT sequel attempt called Devilution which is now also complete though it still hasn't had a final completed release

[pure rock]

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/154703-puss-xxlvii-alien-astrology/

If I've been reading these constellations correctly, it seems like a new PUSS event has appeared in the night sky! PUSS 47 ALIEN ASTROLOGY IS LIVE!!! Up until the end of Setpember, we're gonna be using Ancient Aliens textures and our zodiac birth charts to make doom maps!

[fallen moat]

beat map 29! :D https://youtu.be/4pKmVW_2y0A?si=Pb5bCN3kxRs5y6z0

[wintry copper]

absolute madlad

[spark shuttle]

anyone wanna play zandroum?

[fallen moat]

thank ya! :D

[wintry copper]

np lmao

I'd love to try beating Sunlust but I'm dreading the very thought of it

[fallen moat]

It's fun! I feel like i got a lot better compared to when I started it

It has a nice difficulty curve. Like, it starts out quite easy and then gets harder as it goes

[wintry copper]

yeah I played through the first level a while back, it's actually quite easy

[fallen moat]

map 28 and 29 were like. so much easier than i thought they'd be

[wintry copper]

fun fact: this WAD or at least its first level can be played just fine in Skulltag

[wintry copper]

damn even map 29?

[fallen moat]

yeah map 29 is pretty short

so if you die you just lose like 15 minutes of progress instead of half an hour like map 28

and I didn't cheese the final fight like decino ;P

There are some small annoying things

Like a cyber that you need to squeeze by he might just shoot and kill you instantly lol

and also a button that's really important and it's awkward to press

[wintry copper]

yeesh

at least it's better than the kinda stuff Hell Revealed and Hell Revealed II do

[fallen moat]

Actually never played that one!

[mortal silo]

Tnt2 is one of my favorite megawads.
There was a demo for it way back in 2010... I think like 10 maps. Fantastic map set and I am still highly anticipated of the missing level... 26 iirc

[wintry copper]

yeah 26 is the one that's somehow still not finished

from what I've played it does seem a little more faithful to the original, I'll definitely be sure to play the latest beta more

[mortal silo]

We got a demo for btsx3 two years ago. I hope we don't have to wait a decade for that one 😭

[wintry copper]

wasn't aware that there was a demo for it in 2010

[wintry copper]

Mordeth fans be like:

[mortal silo]

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/55085-tnt-2-devilution-demo-download-link/

I think this links the demo

Plutonia 3 also had a demo. I hope we are all eating good next year.

[mortal silo]

Btsx3 e1 isnt that difficult, but very fun with coop. I think e2 is significantly more difficult. Play the e3 demo if you need some nightmare fuel 🔥

[severe maple]

https://tenor.com/view/doomguy-doom-doom-slayer-doom-the-dark-ages-doom-dark-ages-gif-14901082521966246439

[mortal silo]

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/104557-back-to-saturn-x-episode-3-wip-5-map-preview-build-on-page-11/

[whole crown]

Noted.

[wanton peak]

Favorite boss fight
Mines cyberdemon

[little oar]

Barons of Hell because they're awesome designs and I like the area you fight them in
The lowering walls and slow raising stairs into a trap is fun

[wanton peak]

Oh ye that is cool

[woven swallow]

same here

[woven swallow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1022121019042975814/1406657905087746108/doom02.png?ex=68a343c3&is=68a1f243&hm=fe81280426dcf6bf62a7d53f75b0c7e454abb7168c46119e6471c4507bcddf23 if custom bosses are allowed, it would be The Origin from Eviternity 2

[cold wadi]

whoa what is this?

[woven swallow]

Doom2 with Eviternity 2

I highly recommend playing it

[cold wadi]

nice will take a look

[gleaming tide]

Favorite boss fight? Episode 2 of Supplice. I couldn't beat the stupid giant fish so I had a part saved where as soon as the fight started I ran outside behind a wall. Well I tried the following day (with more patience after watching how someone did it on youtube), and as soon as I loaded up my saved game, the boss blew up and ended it's own life. I hadn't even hit it but maybe once. Oops. Not sure I'd have beaten it so easily (but I did beat the same one later on, legit).

I just hope in Episode 5 or 6 whenever they get released for Supplice, at-least put the breading on the fish before I gotta fight it. Then it's worth fighting over.

[umbral shale]

Bye bye american pie

shudders

And the dave d taylor blues, but I love that one

Hmm

[twin mortar]

What year is this review from?

Good luck on finding it, I'm curious now too

[umbral shale]

Unc bobby dishing out truth bombs

But seriously, it won't take you long

You could most likely find it today

[twin mortar]

Master Levels don't have any original songs, so they're out

[umbral shale]

Mach 2 the speed of stupid

[twin mortar]

Tbh though I do think you are talking about a DOOM II track, I remember a bunch of the songs do sound a bit silly

[umbral shale]

Wut no one?

Huh

[wanton peak]

That sounds amazing

[twin mortar]

I was thinking of that one but I dismissed that thought becuase I didn't remember it sounding this silly

[umbral shale]

WHAT I LOVE MESSAGE FROM THE ARCHVILE!!!!

That part is so groovy

Die

[sharp wyvern]

Didn’t they get some in the PSX release?

I know that’s not the platform we’re talking about just wanted to mention :P

Yeah apparently only the master levels got new songs in the PSX version while the TNT/Plutonia parts didn’t

[median cloud]

Waiting for Romero to play might be my favorite original doom soundtrack of all time

[hearty gorge]

Same, but doom 1's sign of evil takes the cake, it's so melancholic. It really does fit the "DOOM" in the title ngl

[median cloud]

I agree its also a great tune, big fan of Sinister as well

[little oar]

And 'Into Sandy's City' is also great! Both the original and the Hulshult redo of it!
It seems so grand but still kind of eerie in a way

[median cloud]

I love the Sinister redo of Hulshult

[median cloud]

Are there any MtPain/Dean Of Doom replacements on YouTube feeling the content drought a bit

[umbral shale]

Nope

I want him to review LoR or Doom zero

But he's doing his own thing for now

[median cloud]

yeah Im not sure hes coming back

[desert tinsel]

Odamex Monday Night Horde starts in 50 minutes if anyone wants to join in!

[dense lake]

how do we feel about Sigil?

[stiff basalt]

it would be the best og doom episode if it was official

[sharp wyvern]

I mean technically it is “official” now tho?

It comes with DOOM + DOOM II on the main menu not as a mod and there’s achievements related to it

[stark ibex]

Just started playing doom 2, anyone got tips?

[bright halo]

If you’re a beginner I highly recommend not tapping the shoot button but holding it down
I DID NOT know this.

[little oar]

Fun wad but can be really scarce ammo/resources at points

Ost is a banger though, even if it is just a "best of" buckethead album

[little oar]

To go against what Gurt just said (sorry Gurt)
Hold the chaingun fire button down for a second then let go, then repeat if you need to shoot more. You'll save a lot of ammo this way since you won't overkill

The double barrel is NOT a shotgun replacement. The basic shotgun is still good for taking out a simple few imps, it's not worth wasting the ammo with the SSG on 3 imps

The revenant missiles are rng in whether they follow you or not. Play it safe and always assume that they will (so immediately find cover or start circling them)

Mancubus shots can sometimes shoot through walls. If you're fighting a mancubus, strafe a bit even if you're "safe" behind a wall

Lastly, pain elementals can be dealt with by hugging them. They don't have a melee attack, and a lost soul can't spawn if you're already taking up that space. If you see a pain elemental near floor level, go get in their face to make life a lot easier for you

And remember to have fun :)

[stark ibex]

Thx so much!!! I will remember your advice! :)

[little oar]

👍

[halcyon willow]

it's not worth wasting the ammo with the SSG on 3 imps
This is actually the perfect example of where the SSG would be more efficient. That's pretty much guaranteed 3 shots with the single barrel to kill 3 imps vs 1 shout with the SSG

[little oar]

I'm going by the idea of 3 imps that aren't right by each other but still in a room, so there's some space between them

But yeah something like that a SSG would be better, that's just the logic I use is how close are they to one another
Case by case basis

[halcyon willow]

Coralling enemies to kill them more efficiently is a good ammo saving technique

Especially for the bfg or rocket launcher

In any case, Doom 2 is pretty generous with ammo if you're playing continuous

[dense lake]

I like using stuff like GZ doom because my born-in-98 brain can't handle not being able to look up. So, that's how I played Doom II and enjoyed it. Some of the maps are kinda whacky, though.

[sharp wyvern]

the MIDIs are also goated

[sharp wyvern]

If you’re not then you best be very good at The Pit

[little oar]

Fair enough, 1 missused shotgun ammo won't kill you (probably)

[finite crag]

Hey, any good survival horror mod to suggest ?

[high depot]

Lost in Darkness

[halcyon willow]

Total Chaos

[dense lake]

the graphics on that are nuts for a doom mod

[halcyon willow]

Wadaholic is a wizard

He went on to make Turbo Overkill

And is now making a full game of Total Chaos

[cold wadi]

hey don't sleep on the divine frequency demo 🙂 technically a mod lol

[halcyon willow]

Commercial game actually

[desert tinsel]

CTF on Odamex in 7 minutes

[cold wadi]

i should have said it's technically a doom mod that's ALSO a commercial game

just meant to emphasize it runs on doom 🙂

[cold wadi]

and the demo is even free which is awesome! that game scared the hell out of me so many times lol

[lucid sphinx]

So I gave the second player in doom a name

Before I say anything do the other players have names?

[fallen moat]

I beat map 30 of sunlust

on uv-max

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzJAbqmM_JU

[woven swallow]

amazing

[finite crag]

Hello,
Does someone know how to disable lost souls and monsters resurected by arch-vile in kill counts in Gzdoom please ?
I precise that i use Gzdoom 4.7.0

[fallen moat]

ty! :)

[woven swallow]

i don't think there's a feature for that

also, why are using 4.7.0 and not the latest version?

[woven swallow]

ayy no problem, whats your next wad gonna be?

[fallen moat]

I'm not sure! lol. I think I'll give doom a rest for a bit

Simulacrum looks really cool though, so maybe that

[woven swallow]

nice choice

[wintry copper]

finally finished TNT Revilution

damn awesome WAD though the finale was a total anxiety attack and a half

got frustrated quite a bit but got that beat

[thick trench]

Best ammo saving technique is monster in-fighting. Haven't seen that mentioned yet.

[median cloud]

Did u like 27?

[wintry copper]

oh I liked it, it's a pretty hectic yet fun map

[bronze rune]

👍👌

Ignore that

[halcyon willow]

It's not so useful in Doom 2 (which is what we were talking about specifically).

[fallen moat]

Wait, really? Isn't Doom 2 known for its infighting?

Or am I missing something? lol

[stiff basalt]

On refueling base you can save a ton of ammo via demon infight

[gleaming tide]

is that map 09 or 16 from Doom II (they're both good)? If it's the map09 song that plays at the level that starts in the 'mud pit' with the 4 elevators, that's a really good one especially on the old genuine opl2/3 cards with the long, low guitar riffs in the first half of the song.

[halcyon willow]

I mean it's in the game and as a feature has become a staple of many many custom maps. Ribbiks and Insane Gazebo would be 2 notable proponents of mandatory infighting set ups. But it's not remotely a requirement to utilise in Doom 2. There is pleny of ammo placed in the game to go guns blazing throughout the whole thing

[fallen moat]

aren't the sandy petersen maps all based around infighting? it's been a while since i played the og tbh

so i could be wrong

[gleaming tide]

INFIGHTING is a great ammo saver, so is hiding behind a crushing ceiling. Also, luring monsters into a narrow hallway will focus where you have to lay down fire so you won't miss as much. Luring them near exploding barrels is great, too. Splat. Barrels are better on Doom 1 than 2 as far as useful placement goes (there's not as many randomly plopped in Doom II until you get to Barrels of Fun). If you circle-strafe around a big group of monsters you can usually get them to kick the snot out of one another pretty readily.

WARNING: using crushing ceilings to squash monsters is great, but if a ceiling comes down on monster ammo-drops (including doors, or platform edges) the ammo-drop will get crushed, too. Get them while you can!

[halcyon willow]

They're based around not being fun

Except for Spirit World

[gleaming tide]

@halcyon willow Romero made the best levels when he did the 1st episode of Doom. I found that one the most fun ever since first played in the early-mid 90's.

[halcyon willow]

Yeah episode 1 is peak level design

And I love Romero's levels in episode 4

E4M1 and E4M2

[gleaming tide]

I never played episode 4 much. I bought Doom registered version when Thy Flesh Consumed first started coming with it (I previously had Doom Shareware that came with the Sound Blaster Multimedia Kit, SB-16 card, cheapo speakers, 2x 'reveal' cd-rom drive by matsushita, and some shareware CD's / encyclopedia / multimedia stuff). Got Doom, Doom II, D!Zone and D!Zone II and a copy of Simcity 2000 for Windows 3.x. Best purchase ever. My 486 dx/2 66 was very very very busy.

So I ended up messing with all the levels CD's before I really got into fourth episode.

[halcyon willow]

I only had the shareware version for a while so I played the hell out of Episode 1

Felt so proud as a kid to figure out the secret level exit

Those lift sound cues around the yellow key

[gleaming tide]

That wasn't easy to find! You had to find a few different secrets to get the key and then where to use it.

[halcyon willow]

Yeah it's a 3-4? step secret to finally get to the exit

So cool

[gleaming tide]

Yeah about that. But you also got a rocket launcher for your troubles. Splat. As if barrels all over weren't enough.

If you were playing on UV or Nightmare, you were going to NEED all those power-ups you got along the way though before getting to the secret level.

The music and great immersive tech-base design of the Doom Shareware episode levels was probably why I enjoyed it. I just wished the rest of the game was like that. I didn't like Doom II nearly as much, but the super-shotgun was a good consolation-prize for having to play in low detail. Low detail because my am486 dx/2 66 chip wasn't all it needed to be despite having a VLB video card (with a half-meg of VRAM, yay).

[sharp wyvern]

1 > 5 > 2 > 6 > 4 > 3
in terms of Doom 1 episodes IMO

[gleaming tide]

@sharp wyvern Yeah the first episode will always be boss. That sold a LOT of copies of Doom. Just wish there was more of that. Played a few WADs that were good at that style but admittedly, they're few and far between.

[gleaming tide]

Secret level 1st episode of Supplice looks like Doom 1 e1m1.

[hollow tree]

I tried the new project brutality, seems pretty cool. Cacodemons are much harder now

[little oar]

Late response but yeah it was map 09!
Something about the song sounds so grand but still very 'creepy' in a way. Never actually heard it from original opl 2/3 hardware though, just whatever the modern ports uses (which I think is just basic midi? I'm not great with the specifics on what soundcards sound like what tbh)

[gleaming tide]

Better late than never! Sorry, in my mid 40's here (but I still love Doom, currently playing a Doom-engine game - Supplice - right now) so my quotes might be a bit dated on a good day.
Never-the-less, while the opl2/opl3 midi version is always near and dear to my heart, as that's what it sounded like until I spent money on an Awe64 (value for 60~80$, then awe64 gold for 200$). Man it sounded so good on the Gold, but the second-best had to be the 32x resurrection team's version of it. It's out there somewhere. You can look for it on Doomworld forums, me-thinks. They did a masterful job on the Doom, Doom II, and Final Doom OST's.

I don't count what it sounds like on the modern 32+mb sound-fonts and such, even 100~200mb ones. That's almost not fair. But there's some good ones that don't use the value's instruments to build upon that are 12mb or so like Chaos soundfont etc, makes it sound good. There is an opl2 or opl3 fm synth soundfont if you want to find it (it's out there!), but Zdoom has that stuff built-in with the OPL and OPN chip emulation (OPN is what the Genesis / Megadrive / arcade machines had, OPL is what our DOS soundcards had until around 95~96 - these both are approximation of what instruments sound like via generated then layered sounds, which get modulated into instrument-like sounds - of varying quality). Can be some real fine stuff if you know what you're doing with it, or it'll just be the sound of flatulence if you don't know what you're doing as a composer.

[high haven]

I like doom 64 designs specially the Pain Elemental

[halcyon badger]

I have been thinking about ways to modernize the gameplay of vanilla Doom 2.
One idea is a map where a player is forced to pick up a blur sphere before every encounter so that the projectile enemies are more difficult to predict and dodge. Mixing that with revenant homing missiles and pain elementals sounds fun too.
I think Nightmare! mode is also underutilized. I find it very fun (especially on maps that require backtracking) because it incentivizes playing fast. I like the decision making involved in an arena of enemies guarding a switch: you could either go straight for the switch or kill some enemies first to make it easier, or some mix of both strategies. Killing all of the enemies first is almost always the better option on the lower difficulty settings though, so Nightmare! mode would add strategic depth. Fast projectiles would also work nicely with the blur sphere map idea.
I think getting attacked from multiple directions is also underutilized and quite fun.
I am a beginner to the Doom community though, so I am not sure if these ideas have been thoroughly explored yet.

[quartz meadow]

wsg

[woven swallow]

hello

[quartz meadow]

why were u typing so long dude

bro stop typing

[woven swallow]

it has, many times actually

[woven swallow]

bruh

[twin mortar]

4 is underrated tbh it's the best of Classic DOOM imo

[stoic spindle]

Fastest anyone gas ever speedran doom 1993, GO

[umbral shale]

Doom 1 has 6 episodes?

Did I read that right

I thought there were 3 and then 4 in ultimate doom

I'm missing two apparently

[little oar]

They're counting Sigil as episode 5 and Sigil II as episode 6

[umbral shale]

Oh

I mean

I count them as their own thing

But alr

[little oar]

Same
Released separately, not bundled in with doom 1 like episode 4 was (even when officially released via doom 1 + 2)

Bethesda themselves consider them to be separate games so as far as I care that's what they are

[copper tree]

I have a question about the saving system

How do I convert my E1 save to E2?

[little oar]

Wdym convert an E1 save to E2? Guns and ammo are supposed to be reset every chapter, they aren't connected

[copper tree]

oh

im new to doom i didnt know this

[little oar]

Ah, fair then
Every Episode of DOOM 1 starts you off with just the pistol, you have to recollect everything (this doesn't take long to do usually)

[copper tree]

What about DOOM 2?

[little oar]

DOOM 2 is one looong episode, so your weapons don't ever get reset (unless you die and restart the level)

[copper tree]

Oh

[little oar]

DOOM 1 (and Legacy of Rust) are the only games that works like this
DOOM 2, Plutonia Experiment, TNT: Evilution, No Rest For The Living, Master Levels of DOOM 2 (if you're playing through the new rerelease), Sigil, Sigil II are all just 1 episode (or one long episode) each

[woven swallow]

Yesno
Yes if you count sigill and sigill 2
No if you don't count them and only count the 4 episodes in the base game

[woven swallow]

Doom2 has no episode selection, it's a continuous game without resetting your guns unlike in doom1, however, every classic doom game is perfectly beatable with pistol starting (if you forgot to save or just die and have to restart)

[twin mortar]

I wonder if there's a mod that splits it into 3 episodes

[halcyon badger]

Can you name any examples?

[halcyon willow]

Doom 2 is 3 episodes. These are denoted by the change in the sky texture

[halcyon willow]

Forced blur sphere encounters have been done before. I played a map that had a blur sphere on every plasma ammo pick up while fighting 30 cyberdemons in a corridor. Fun times
Nightmare is the antithesis of strategic. It pushes the player to do one thing, go as fast as possible through the level to mitigate the risk of respawning enemies. Fast projectiles also reduce reaction time and time to think which again, the opposite of strategic (there's a reason Nightmare is not used by 99.999% of players or balanaced by mappers). Bespoke challenge modes are much more interesting (see: Mutabor or Godless Night)
If you think being attacked from multiple directions at once is not utilised then you haven't played mych Doom. This is the foundation of any decent set piece fight and even the iwads do this plenty of times. Eg Dead Simple with the arachnotron reveal happening from 4 side.

Also forced pick blur sphere pick ups with fast projectiles sounds like something players would absolutely hate/be extremely niche

[sharp wyvern]

I mean they did the same with NRFTL tho even tho it wasn’t separate in that first release of Doom II that had it

[sharp wyvern]

Same with Final Doom’s wads

Doom 2’s episodes have names in the files tho

[sharp wyvern]

They are still literally called E5MX and E6MX in their actual releases tho

[umbral shale]

Didn't know that

So why don't ppl count them then

[little oar]

Ah true, forgot about that

[sharp wyvern]

cause they weren't official till the rerelease 🤷‍♀️

[umbral shale]

Right

[halcyon badger]

Which map was that? It sounds like fun.

[halcyon badger]

Nightmare! mode does not seem less strategic than other modes to me. Respawning enemies encourage the general strategy of going fast, but moment-to-moment decision making such as enemy prioritization still exists. Respawning enemies also create new opportunities for strategizing such as routing a level to avoid backtracking. Fast projectiles gives you less time to think, but they do not remove the element of strategy.

I do not see any problems with the mode besides hitscan enemies shooting as soon as they see you, but hitscan enemies are unfun in general.

[halcyon willow]

It was a speed map Dubzzz made. Go play some Dubzzz maps and get back to me c:

[halcyon willow]

It's way less strategic

[halcyon badger]

Okay.

:3

[halcyon willow]

You said you are new to classic Doom. I know more about this than you c:

[halcyon badger]

True.

[twin mortar]

And achievements for Unity

[halcyon willow]

People do

[twin mortar]

I personally don't, not even that much because of the unofficial/official stuff but also because when I think "I want to replay DOOM 1" I go E1-E3 and maybe E4, but I would never branch that out to the SIGILs too

[halcyon willow]

From the wiki
Doom II's levels are divided into three "episodes", though these are never named in-game. The sky texture for each episode is different, and an intermission screen describes the progress in story in transitioning between them. There are also two secret levels. There are further story interludes before level 7, before each of the secret levels, and after finishing the game. Old versions of SETUP.EXE give names for these episodes, though this was later removed. The aforementioned names were later reused in the achievements for the console versions of the Unity rerelease.

[twin mortar]

Can't blame Lego for calling it one long episode

[halcyon willow]

I can say that they're wrong though

[twin mortar]

The internal 3 episode split is fairly niche, skybox change could be noticeable but not sure if anyone would link it to being an episode division

[halcyon willow]

Is not niche, it's common knowledge

And easily verifiable

[twin mortar]

Well if they are playing on the Xbox 360 then they are technicaly right :p

[twin mortar]

I meant finding this out yourself. It is widely available info though now yeah

[halcyon willow]

The classic doom community has known it since forever

Anyway

Doom 2 has episodes, just not an episode select built into the menu

[twin mortar]

360 splits DOOM II and NRFTL into two episodes which is kind of weird to look at

[sharp wyvern]

I'd consider them """DLCs""" or something to that effect

[sharp wyvern]

erm.. it actually calls them.. "expansions" 🤓

on a related note it's stupid as fuck Legacy of Rust is considered a Doom II expansion but Final Doom isn't 😭

[twin mortar]

Unofficial DLC 😌

[twin mortar]

We should consider Legacy of Rust a Final DOOM expansion

[sharp wyvern]

not anymore lol

Nightdive said it's officially a part of Doom now

[sharp wyvern]

i'd be all for it tbh

i just think it's dumb to consider a game split into episodes again instead of maps as a doom ii expansion

[twin mortar]

🙂‍↔️

[sharp wyvern]

especially given it literally has actually new content unlike Final Doom

[twin mortar]

Not this discussion again

[twin mortar]

I never actually took it as being split into episodes as much as just being split into two campaigns

Oh wait

That's for LoR, not Final 😭

My bad gang I just hopped off a game that melts my brain

I don't know what I could say makes it an expansion, every point I can think of has a counterpoint

[sharp wyvern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1328467741522526208/1408207293949935646/Screenshot_2025-08-22_09.52.44.png?ex=68a8e6be&is=68a7953e&hm=cf7f8cd81b28d148e061e390575ed2821af238c65f2bd3c8a662651bc8f42949

[twin mortar]

^ This is why I was saying no

I've already made my points, you have made your points, neither of us are going to change our takes, so why bother

[stiff basalt]

sigil 2 is a good game but a bad doom game

[dense lake]

why do you say this?

[sharp wyvern]

🤷‍♀️ it's just literally what it says on the bethesda website

[sharp wyvern]

i think theyre being silly

[twin mortar]

Do I need to say it a third time

[dense lake]

yes

[sharp wyvern]

yes

[sharp wyvern]

Man Legacy of Rust is so good I wish more doom expansions expanded the game with like actually new stuff

Yea yea I’ve played fan wads before anyone else says it

[vast reef]

i feel like nightmare prioritizes pre-planning instead of moment-to-moment decision

which in itself is "strategic"

[halcyon willow]

Planning is another choice but there is still one strategy which is "get out as fast as possible". I'd argue that routing is more of a tactical decision process

[vast reef]

is tactical decision process not strategy

i think semantics is the main thing here 😭

[halcyon willow]

I'm technically correct, the best kind of correct

[median cloud]

The chasm is overhated

[twin mortar]

God damn does Hate Machine slap

One of the best intro themes in the franchise tbh

[wintry copper]

it's the closest thing we'll get to a 90s Doom 3

I love it for that, still need to finish it though

for some reason the official port crashes on me sometimes when saving a game

[sharp wyvern]

yea exactly lol

that's why it's so goated 🥲

[wintry copper]

ya

the idea of a 90s Doom 3 has always fascinated me, I love the first 2 games but it feels like something is missing

that and I just love 90s FPSes in general so I always want more of that kinda stuff

[vast reef]

doom 3 in quake engine

[wintry copper]

oh that would've also been interesting

reminds me that they announced Doom 2000 in 1998 but then they announced Doom 3 in June 2000

well not so much announced as mentioned it as a possible project that they might work on

[twin mortar]

Basically D64

[sharp wyvern]

yea D64 is kinda like that

Legacy of Rust feels more like a Classic D3 though kinda given how D2 doesn't have new graphics or anything

[wintry copper]

you could say that though D64 is kinda its own thing

[twin mortar]

Idk if I think of how they would have done DOOM 3 in the 90s I think of D64

[fallen moat]

If I did the UV-max of God Machine, do you think I'm good enough for No Chance already?

What are some wads that are even harder than sunlust?

[thick trench]

The Dimensions maps are harder. I can't even finish them on ITYTD. Can also look at Sunder, Cosmogenesis, and Profane Promiseland. Be warned though, the last 3 are very hard and also very long. Like, several hours to finish some maps.

You'll need really good monster control, dodging, and luck to finish most of them.

[fallen moat]

ty!

has anyone beaten profane promiseland on a single segment?

i think i might start with no chance since it's just one map

[thick trench]

Coincident did on ITYTD but I think he gave up on UV max.

[fallen moat]

looks easier than dimensions too lol

[fallen moat]

damn! must be really hard

He beat okuplok!

[thick trench]

Yep, I think Profane Promiseland broke him though. He recently took a break from Doom and might not come back. It's a super long map (6+ hours on UV max) and one of the hardest fights is near the end. I'd go crazy trying to beat it without saves.

[fallen moat]

Yeah I like challenge but I don't wanna set records or anything lol

But I do understand him taking a break from doom. You can only play a single game for so long before is starts getting irrirtating

Especially at that level

[thick trench]

Especially if you're 4 hours into your 100th attempt and you die to bad luck.

[fallen moat]

I assume there's a lot of RNG involved too

[fallen moat]

Sounds like hell lol

Fitting, given the franchise

[thick trench]

With all the infighting you need to manage luck always plays a role.

[fallen moat]

yeah i giess thsts what bothers me most in any fight. Rng stuff

Like that cyberdemon fight in sunlust map 30

With the archies

[thick trench]

I never managed to finish Sunlust without cheating. Just too hard.

[fallen moat]

I believe you can do it :)

I beat it on UV like 3 days ago and it was so tough

That's kinda what I love about it because it forces you to be so focused

If you're not using saves

It was fun. It was actually the first wad I ever completed without saves!

[thick trench]

Have to be so perfect too. One tiny screw up and you can eat a rocket.

[fallen moat]

Really good choice to start too because the maps start out really easy

[fallen moat]

lol sometimes not even your own fault

some annoying randomness in that level, especially during thr first half

The second is more like a test of staminr and focus

still some rng stuff with thr archvilles. died to that once :(

but yeah its the kind of challenge thats kinda addictive to me. that forces you to be like. completely in the game, if that makes sense?

the last 10 or so.maps are lkke that

[brittle swan]

myhouse.wad

[foggy thicket]

Huh? This wad

[brittle swan]

what tf are you doing here

[foggy thicket]

Yes

[calm cradle]

👍

[bleak cradle]

👍

[uneven tangle]

would anybody know where i would be able to find DOOM 64's skybox textures

[bleak cradle]

<@&162901871168585728> There's also a guy who posted an ||e sex|| link called @trail bluff

[mighty walrus]

Where did they post it?

[bleak cradle]

yes sir, they did and I have a screenshot

they posted it in here too btw

[mighty walrus]

where

[bleak cradle]

here

in this channel

[mighty walrus]

It looks like it was already deleted

[bleak cradle]

But the guy isnt banned

He's still in the server

[mighty walrus]

Taken care of, thank you

Please don't jump to and spread assumptions that the server is raided because of a scam link. It automatically got filtered out by the bot.

[bleak cradle]

I'm terribly sorry for that

[umbral shale]

Ye it's not raiding it's just a couple weirdos

Report and move on

[bleak cradle]

It would be so nice if they got banned tho

better than being reported because those people might have got scammed

[mighty walrus]

It's taken care of, let's please move on from it now. Thanks!

[bleak cradle]

Alrighty then

[sharp wyvern]

i think they might be on doom64 . com

[woven swallow]

yes

[woven swallow]

italo, fractured worlds, stardate20x7, Entropy, Death in excess, Magnolia_UV, Firefly and formless mother

[median cloud]

Anyone have some good custom wads that work well as a campaign? So not mappacks that are for pistol starting

[fallen moat]

Hell yeah. Do you think these are easier than Dimensions?

I kinda wanna do No Chance -> Dimensions

And then Simulacrum, just for funsies

Also check it out. Got the video uploaded :)

https://youtu.be/VhvWpPwwr_I?si=2cL3IT6rBhBHcXY8

[median cloud]

Dang only the second wad u played through?

Did it take a lot of tries on some maps

[fallen moat]

For sure!

Althought by the end I was actually completing the maps pretty quickly

Maelstrom took me less than 10 tries!

and 24 I completed on my first

This is such a good wad if you wanna get good progressively because it has a really fair difficulty curve

[median cloud]

I did map 30 once with saves inbetween fights

But wouldnt wanna grind it single segment

[fallen moat]

It was really annoying lol. A lot of that first half is just pure luck

well I mean there's skill involved but you can just get scammed for no reason

THe second half there's RNG too but I feel like one can manage it if they train a lot

I only really died at that part to dumb stuff like opening the wrong doors lol

or forgetting to pick up cells before fighting archvilles

I kinda loved the experience but there's a lot of frustratring randomness

[woven swallow]

i can't really say for sure if they are or aren't, cause i haven't played dimensions yet

[fallen moat]

I watched some videos and they look insane but doable tbh

Uh Dimensions maps I mean

[woven swallow]

i might need to play it for myself to see fully

[wispy plaza]

Looking for someone to play the DOOM co-op campaign on Xbox with me! I've created a room in DOOM I with the room code: TJSS. Let's team up!

[halcyon willow]

Pretty much everything is easier than Dimensions lol

[fallen moat]

is tarachillax easier than dimensions lol

[halcyon willow]

Something like Flotsam or Frog and Toad would be possibly harder (depending on what map style you like)

And there's meme stuff like Poogers or NoYe

Or Experiencing Nirvana lol

That sure is an experience

[fallen moat]

hell yeah

i'll check them out B^)

[halcyon willow]

The first map of Flotsam opens up with mandatory SR50 platforming and the platforms are 20 damage tic pain sectors

[wispy plaza]

finishing doom II code:GKTP

[wispy plaza]

On xbox

[azure nimbus]

Flotsam is super variable though. Flotsam01 is in my top 5 or so for most resets. But the rest of the levels were pretty manageable

[halcyon willow]

Yeah that's definitely the hardest map in the set

Rude start lol

[median cloud]

Anyone here played Pandemonia the doom mod?

[sharp wyvern]

replaying Legacy of Rust on ultra-violence

yea this is definitely still my favourite classic doom wad it's just so fucking good, but holy shit the levels are SOOO LONG and im just noticing for the first time

[bitter shoal]

I finished Plutonia recently so I'm thinking of playing its sequels

[bitter shoal]

Plutonia 2 is wild, 142 enemies on the 2nd map and half of them are elites

it hasn't matched the malicious hatred (affectionately) I felt in the first few Plutonia 1 levels though

[rare drum]

500 chaingunners vs man with pistol

[wanton peak]

Man with pistol

[vast reef]

No ☹️

[wanton peak]

Yes

[vast reef]

Peforated by. Chaignugger

[wanton peak]

"Chaignugger"??

[vast reef]

chainhujer

guner

[wanton peak]

???

Guner?

[vast reef]

[wanton peak]

Yea but kill one take chaingun then start blasting and stunlock-em

[vast reef]

Deathd

[wanton peak]

And zombies die fast

Wut?

[vast reef]

Unalive

[wanton peak]

What about it

[wanton peak]

Heh big man

[vast reef]

tbh it all depends on map layout

[wanton peak]

Yea kinda

[hushed dew]

chaingun go brrrr

[lone sequoia]

anyone know this? https://github.com/Farama-Foundation/ViZDoom

[wanton peak]

Nope

[lone sequoia]

emmmm

[bitter shoal]

I think I was right thinking Plutonia’s use of chain gunners felt like a meme after 32 maps of them when that is what chat is about and not the recurrent use of arch-viles and revenants

[bitter shoal]

Arch-viles kind of contribute to the chain gunner meme since some of them exist to revive them in a little perch

[high haven]

I’m still thinking that Legacy of rust is canon

[mortal zinc]

They play loosely enough with the cannon that what isn't cannon just depends on demand and what makes for the biggest explosion

So talk about it enough and mod atom bombs into the game and just maybe!!!

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-the-dark-ages-doom-true-launch-the-true-doom-launch-the-true-gif-17039720600748597696

[sharp wyvern]

Canon is what you make of it

Nobody ever said LoR wasn’t :P

[vast reef]

are there even any cannons in classic doom

[bitter shoal]

Pirate doom and pirate doom II

[stiff basalt]

eternal doom

[round jacinth]

I play doom alot

[bitter shoal]

same

[wind cradle]

.0.

me too!

[vast reef]

kudtr cobain you are so cool do u ever plan on covering any jesus lizard songs

[round jacinth]

Yes

[vast reef]

i know u like them and did that split with them but would u ever cover one of their songs i think a lot of the songs on in utero sound like the jesus lizard

[vast reef]

thats awesome do u have any specific ones in mind

[round jacinth]

Seasick

I like seasick

[vast reef]

hell yeah

[woven swallow]

Me as well

[burnt creek]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-gif-25164052

[wheat jacinth]

real

[burnt creek]

Yep

https://tenor.com/view/holy-laughter-doom-laugh-zoom-gif-17636231

[rare drum]

i got jumped by 2 barons of hell after trying to dodge an archvile

[bitter shoal]

Plutonia 2 levels start off as long as lategame ones with a lot of enemies, this wad is gonna take awhile to complete

I like that it keeps with the jungle theme for longer though

[crimson girder]

Doom 1993 is pretty good I think

[rich anvil]

Golden Souls

[cold wadi]

it's pretty good but I stick around for the mods and commerical games made on gzdoom

[odd crescent]

It's the short king!

[long moat]

Have you guys heard about the doom wad called fore/vr/alone?

[bitter shoal]

Not yet. Is it meant for vr?

[long moat]

No not at all I wanted to share this with you because it contains a lot of.. uh disturbing imagery

NSFW stuffs

[bitter shoal]

Is it one of those wads that is like the 20th “this is the most disturbing doom wad in history” videos on that one channel?

[long moat]

No not this one🤣🤣

I found it myself while playing doom2

Are you guys familiar with the doomtuber called midnight?

[bitter shoal]

A quick search reveals this was the channel
I was mocking.

[long moat]

Oh yeah one thing I just don’t like about this is that every time he says "I just found the most horrifying and pant pissing mod you’ll ever see on my channel" with the mod being completely not scary

I can’t wait to have my pc so I can play disturbing mods by myself and get scared

Is there a lot of controversial mods?

[wind cradle]

treat yourself better by watching idk, like civvie11, germanpeter, decino and more

[bitter shoal]

Awhile back it became evident that he just plays random horror or offensive mods in order to have clickbait to say this is the most disturbing/illegal/controversial mod and it is probably something only a few people had actually played

And not good or effective horror either

[long moat]

Like I know there’s the moon man mod

But like I mean it’s not that scary I’d say it’s just provocative

But is it really illegal to play these?

[wind cradle]

no

[long moat]

Yeah that’s what I thought

I mean I don’t wanna play any wrong mods that are based on true events because this is just fucked up but like I’ve always wondered how could people download these

Like there’s literally some mods based on school shootings

[bitter shoal]

Probably just look at user comments or reviews. If they get annoyed or feel trolled then it probably isn’t a genuine effort

[wind cradle]

anyways just

watch some doomtubers that actually do good content

[long moat]

I will thanks for the advices

[bitter shoal]

I can probably recommend amalgoom, it isn’t meant to be a horror wad and it isn’t scary but some of the map makers snuck in strong vibes

[wind cradle]

i love amalgoom

[long moat]

Oh I have amalgam

Goom

[wind cradle]

its so good, the level design is awesome

[bitter shoal]

I forget if I ever played a proper horror wad before. I want to say myhouse.wad but it was ruined for me by ||random shrek appearance||

[wind cradle]

myhouse.wad is really cool

yeah its, popular and shit but

i liked it, i thankfully went in blind

[long moat]

I love this was

I’d love to play it

[bitter shoal]

There was one map that was on a channel that I saw that looked really good

I’ll have to pull it up

It had a really silly section in it but unlike the thing mentioned above it was much more of an in joke and such an elaborate jest that it worked way better

Found it, it was from rust jaws of the earth

Maybe I should take a break from plutonia 2 and play that instead

[wanton peak]

Normal difficulty for the classic doom games is UV

[wind cradle]

is this like a preference thing?

[wanton peak]

No it's universally known

It's THE gentleman's way to play classic doom

👍

[wind cradle]

personally i don't mind what difficulty you play

[wanton peak]

Yea

But I love UV

[wind cradle]

usually i also play uv

[wanton peak]

It's challenging but still doable

[wind cradle]

but when its like a new wad or something, hmp is the best way to experience it first time

always play hmp first time

[wanton peak]

Yea that is fair

[bitter shoal]

The -fast command line is generally what people do if they want harder than UV

[wind cradle]

nightmare sucks because it has respawning enemies

[wanton peak]

Isn't that basically nightmare?

[stiff basalt]

what about -coop_spawns?

[bitter shoal]

No, it doesn’t have respawning enemies or double ammo so it is more doable

[stiff basalt]

Or even better: -coop_spawns -fast

[bitter shoal]

Yeah you can do that

[wanton peak]

Ah yes

[bitter shoal]

Time for more Plutonia 2

[stiff basalt]

wish there was a way to have nightmare fast monsters on uv-fast

I know there's an option for that on gzdoom but I wish there was one for vanilla accurate source ports

[wind cradle]

nugget doom has custom difficulties!

well i think the whole woof family does i guess but

[long moat]

Anyone knows the author of the moon man wad

[wind cradle]

no

[long moat]

I never played it but it’s kind of funny (independently of any ideology)

It’s really offensive

You guys like doom brutal?

[wanton peak]

Without a doubt

[stiff basalt]

brutality project

[bitter shoal]

DOOM’s gameplay is timeless especially with new maps with great design philosophies so I don’t care for brutal mods

[halcyon willow]

There is no such thing as "normal difficulty" for Doom

And if there was to be, it would be HMP as it is in the middle

[wanton peak]

Hmp too easy

[halcyon willow]

So?

[wanton peak]

Yes UV normal

[halcyon willow]

Nope

[wanton peak]

Yep

I'm just saying UV is norma diff to me that's all

[halcyon willow]

I look forward to your single segment run of Sunder on UV

People can pick the difficulty they enjoy, that's the point

[wanton peak]

Can't use mods I have console

[halcyon willow]

But there is no such thing as a universal normal diffilcuty (unless stipulated by the mapper)

[bitter shoal]

Most mappers assume UV I think (since you have to make sure the game is still winnable there)

[twin mortar]

I agree with you otherwise but I feel like this isn't relevant to the conversation

[bitter shoal]

It is a matter if a map creator bothers making adjustments for lower than UV difficulties I guess

[halcyon willow]

Yeah if there is to be an assumed default, it's up to the mapper to decide. For a while mappers were lazy and didn't worry abotu difficulty balancing (which means ITYTD, HMP and UV are actually the same difficulty) but that has changed for the better the last 5 years or so

[bitter shoal]

ITYTD is easier no matter what since it doubles your ammo and halves damage you take lol, so even on maps that don’t adjust for difficulty levels you can use it as an easier mode

[halcyon willow]

I put a lot of effort into not just balancing my maps for all dificulties, but getting them tested on all diffilculties

[halcyon willow]

Yeah that's the only way to to make Sunder easier lol

Although Gazebo has said he'd like to do difficulty balancing for Sunder

But that won't be until all the maps are finished

So uh, maybe in 2036

[bitter shoal]

I’ve heard of sunder but I wasn’t aware it is unfinished

[vestal flax]

Rip

[halcyon willow]

It was deemed "finished" after map 14 because the creator (Insane Gazebo) disappeared. But he reappeared in 2019 and started working on it again. He's also become invovled in a host of other projects includinga bunch of commercial gzdoom games (Age of Hell, Supplice, Divine Frequency).

We're now up to 20 completed Sunder maps with number 21 currently in testing

[bitter shoal]

I see, that makes sense

[bitter shoal]

I was watching hell revealed uv fast runs while internet was down. I must have been playing this on HMP because I never realized it had as many archviles as plutonia has chaingunners. I did remember the ton of hell knights and barons though

[vast reef]

it just cropped up on 4chan one day iirc

[vast reef]

brutal doom gave my grandma hemorrhoids

so no

[woven swallow]

Sunder is a boom compatible wad, which the kex engine supports, so you should be good to run it on console (any custom map that isn’t a Zdoom based port map should run fine)

[dense lake]

love it

Love some me some brutal doom

it's so fun

[umbral tangle]

I have a question

How do i install myhouse.wad in doom II

Thanks for your help 😔

[lost saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-not-my-house-jesse-pinkman-gif-27251723

[wanton peak]

I have been looking through the mods on doom+doom2 can't find it

[bitter shoal]

It is actually the pk3 file you want to run, and I think you need a modern source port for it

[wind cradle]

yeah it works on gzdoom

i think dsdadoom too? i heard it has udmf in it

[vast reef]

i do not think myhouse works with dsda-doom

[wind cradle]

yeah maybe your right

[vast reef]

i know i'm right

[umbral tangle]

yea well, i got GZDOOM, then i put the DOOM2.wad in, then myhouse.pk3 and then nun happend, there was a black screen, the cursor was a bunny of some kind, and i had some sounds like gunshots

nun else