classic-doom

[smoky bear]

Oh yeah baby, hell revealed style 😎

[vast reef]

are zdoom forums down???

[dapper hatch]

bro shut up

[hearty gorge]

why are you so mad bro?

[outer niche]

yo it's cool Kidd from Roblox

[thorn jungle]

oh dustwav left lol

[vestal flower]

I think he got banned

[thorn jungle]

if he was banned, his messages would be deleted, which isn't the case

[vestal flower]

Then idk

[hearty gorge]

he deserved to leave, but it was funny ngl

[ripe tree]

It must have been around 1999 when I got Doom 1+2+MLOD2 (the "trilogy" back then)

And its only now, in 2025 that i am finally able to play Master Levels of Doom 2.

Back then I didn't know how to run a WAD. (I still dont but thats just a Google away now).

[smoky bear]

Huh?

[hearty gorge]

Random kid came here, got mad (idk why) and just told some random people to shut up and "vro". Not the brightest individual.

[deep blaze]

they made rimworld run doom, i cant 😭
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3503430347&searchtext=

[woven swallow]

Who hurt you bro?

[woven swallow]

Your messages won’t get deleted if you’re banned

[vast reef]

in this server they do

[odd crescent]

Ah he's one of the G.O.A.Ts at classic doom

[cerulean delta]

Come to think of it, I’ve never seen a picture of Doomguy wearing the radiation suit

I’d imagine it’s got a green visor since the HUD turns green

And how’s he wearing the night vision goggles? Does he take his helmet off or do they fit over the helmet?

[vestal flower]

I like to think the power ups are floppy disks he puts in his suit and the sprites are just holograms for what the power up is

[cerulean delta]

I didn’t think he was wearing powered armor in the classic doom games

[high depot]

Yeah he probably had to remove the helmet to put on the light amp goggles.

[vestal flower]

Well, still a thought

[cerulean delta]

How much does all his gear weigh? He’s got a backpack, chainsaw, pistol, 2 shotguns, a chain gun, an RPG, a plasma rifle, and the BFG. That’s a lot of shit to carry around

https://www.reddit.com/r/Doom/s/IQOhTU3Mwh

If he ran headfirst into a wall at top speed, he'd hit the wall with 9 million newtons of force, which is just a bit south of the thrust generated by the Saturn V rocket on liftoff.

[vestal flower]

Or there's a place where the weapons are stored and then when he needs them, they teleport to him

[umbral shale]

@finite crag
Sorry for pinging, what places in Hell from classic doom would you like to revisit in a modern doom game?

[hearty gorge]

giant fireblu monuments would go hard

[umbral shale]

I meant more places with names but this is good enviromental deco for sure

[hearty gorge]

serious answer now, having giant sea of blood with some islands and castles and stuff would be cool

like that master levels level for doom 2

i think it's blood keep inn i can't remember

[finite crag]

Dis.

[smoky bear]

Cyberdemon gets so much love in the modern games but we still haven’t seen the spider mastermind as a regular enemy

[umbral shale]

They too chunky

Cyberdemons are tall but masterminds are wide

[smoky bear]

Couldnt be chunkier than the vagary, right?

[umbral shale]

I assumed the vagary replaced the master mind

Bc why have two big spider enemies

According to ID, not me

I'd love both

[smoky bear]

Yeah that makes sense honestly

In terms of design spider mastermind kind of is just a big arachnotron. Probably more interesting to invent new designs

[umbral shale]

Ye and they made the arachnotron hitscan in tda, so the mastermind has nothing

[smoky bear]

But I DO want to see classic, smooth archvile in that dlc

[umbral shale]

Yes🔥

This is duable

Acolytes do not live up to the flameboi name

[smoky bear]

Not at all

[woven swallow]

dead simple

[umbral shale]

Wai that wasn't in Hell

I'll just mix it in with smt else

Wait that was in 2016

Lol

[woven swallow]

That’s in doom2

[umbral shale]

No the remake of the arena was in 2016, in titans realm

[remote cedar]

Impressive. Now let's see the energy results when he's strafe running.

[cerulean delta]

What happens when he wall-strafes? Shouldn’t the wall spontaneously combust where he’s touching it?

[humble trellis]

I made this mod you can play: https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/s-u/soup

[unreal gorge]

oh man i used to listen to that album all the time, nice

[halcyon willow]

Sketchy links will get you banned

[gentle compass]

It's like taking a BFG to the face

[vestal flower]

The last thing an imp sees after I killed all of his own kind in the room

[hearty gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/smurf-destroy-smurfs-omegs-gif-6660605562652109020

like this?

[hard current]

Just lost 40% of my health in like 3 shots on ultimate doom nightmare

🤗🤗

Just beat hanger on nightmare, stats are: kills are 165%, items are 89%, and secrets are 100%, and my time was 3:40.

[vale gyro]

Sounds about right

[hard current]

Pretty true

Just scraped by on hangar

[vale gyro]

Have fun with turbo pinkies lol

[hard current]

There is a glitch where if you create a new nightmare game, save the game then create a uv game, load the nightmare game and then create a new uv game, then reload the nightmare save and you have normal pinkies on nightmare

[vale gyro]

I’m aware of that glitch, yeah

[hard current]

It's a glitch in the code that's really helpful

I did the glitch so... I'll test it on E1M3

I really like the double ammo too

But turret shotgunners and respawning turret shotgunners suck

And so do turbo pinkies

And turbo fireballs

Just entering E1M2 with 100% hp

Gonna try to keep the 100% for the sols sphere to make it 200%

[hard current]

@vale gyro I'm about to play E1M3 so wish me luck

And also about to test if pinkies are turbo or normal

[vale gyro]

Sadly the new Nyan Doom update doesn't have support for the prior version's save files (which well, is quite expected)
Guess I'm now running three different versions of Nyan Dooom now lmao

[lone sequoia]

https://github.com/lr-m/Yihaw antone know this?

[fast marsh]

Hey guys

[red hinge]

[lost saffron]

bring back doom 64 channel

[high depot]

It wasn't particularly active and fits just fine in this channel. It'll be okay.

[mighty walrus]

I should replay some 64 tonight. Use the og Unmaker

[azure belfry]

Appreciate y’all for telling me how ❤️

[lost saffron]

is myhouse on the doom 1+2 port?

[vale gyro]

No, it wouldn’t run under that port anyways

[lost saffron]

alright thanks

[odd crescent]

I replayed 64 by playing BD64 VoH, I enjoyed but didn't fulfill me wanting to replay 64, so i'm just gonna play the og one again or maybe the gzdoom retribution port of it has good lighting the animations for both shotguns

[autumn isle]

why do we never talk about ps1 doom?

[finite crag]

i wish there was a rerelease for ps1 doom and final doom

[vast reef]

idk it feels like ppl play ps1 doom once or twice, yap a little about it, then forget

doesnt have the staying power of smth like plutonia bc plutonia has the reputation as the hardest iwad

or the completely different art direction of smth like doom 64

[finite crag]

there wouldnt be a doom 64 without ps1 doom

[vast reef]

yeah

[hearty gorge]

I played psx doom 1 and doom 2, and I gotta say it's pretty interesting. It's not the best version of doom, really far from that, it's pretty dated. But the way it's presented is really interesting, they added doom 2 enemies on the doom 1 campaign. Which I think it's worth pointing out. The game doesn't have music, it's the same noises that were later used in d64. It feels like doom but if it was made by aliens. It's a totally different version from what we're used to.

[vast reef]

yeah psx doom is awesome

[hard current]

E1M3 on nightmare stands for I hate my life

It is impossible

I can't get past the imp filled room without being targeted by the enemies behind the door

It's hell on earth literally, even John Romero can't get past E1M3 nightmare too

It's that hard

I hate it

Anyone know a strat that could help me?

Cause when I enter I go from 100% health to 40% and I'm dodging imp fireballs but I'm guessing the turret shotgunners are doing the damage and I hate it

Pls help me with any strat you know of

Thank you

[high depot]

Handle it like any other encounter. Take out hitscans first, dodge projectiles, kill the demons.

It can be helpful to go through the secret door to take out upper enemies first, but don't take too long or that respawn will bite you in the ass.

[oblique plaza]

what would u like to see in Brutal Doom v23 mod? me https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/128760-brutal-doom-general-thread-and-v22-development-news-v22-test-4-is-out/?page=2&tab=comments#comment-2943639

[wide shale]

random monsters to fight in it without having to go mod hunting lol

just a big compilation of that stuff

[lost saffron]

how dare ppl hate on doom 2

[twilit dune]

just beat the kex port. Frankly I’m disappointed. Don’t know why, feels like a little bit a downgrade from the unity port

[vale gyro]

I felt the same tbh

Especially when I had played it pre-release and before it's first patch (it was available to download for prior owners before it actually launched)

[twilit dune]

sometimes, the whole thing just drops in quality, frame rate becomes choppy, also the oh titles with dosbox staging SUCK! The resolution is off, the port is also slightly choppy so yeah.

[vale gyro]

I didn't really care much for the Unity port either tbh

I've basically always used either DOSBOX (for my first year of playing) or another source port

though, I do disagree with you when it comes to the DOSBOX Staging thing

the resolution is fine, just letterboxed

maybe a bit too much so when the CRT shader's on, though

[hearty gorge]

it's weak, the only redeemable quality are some enemies and the ssg. but most enemies that were added are incredibly annoying, the ssg just makes a good portion of your arsenal useless and the level design is terrible. though, it's better for modding since it gives the mappers/modders more opportunities than doom 1

[vale gyro]

the SSG invalidating your arsenal really only applies to base-game Doom 2 imo

[hearty gorge]

exactly what i'm talking about

but not really though

[vale gyro]

custom mapsets can and do allow the rest of the arsenal to actually be useful for the most part

... bar the pistol in most cases

[hearty gorge]

even on the expansions it's rare to use the og shotgun or the chaingun

for example ofc

[vale gyro]

I actually use the chaingun quite often

and the OG shotgun mainly for lower tier enemies where I don't want to waste 2 shells to kill them when I really only need one

[hearty gorge]

good

the og shotgun is good for snipping some fuckers

ofc it's not perfect for that

[vale gyro]

same with the chaingun, actually

[hearty gorge]

it's a shotgun after all

[finite crag]

you'll eventually run out of ammo if you only use the ssg

[vale gyro]

base-game Doom 2 has a good amount of shells, though

though, another point is that the SSG fires incredibly slow

so you'll actually waste health and armor in a good amount of situations if you use it too much

[finite crag]

Ages ago I remember that I only used the ssg to clear levels and on map 10 I got “stuck” because I ran out of shells

[vale gyro]

so it's honestly more an issue with that than with shells

[hearty gorge]

idk, the game is pretty generous

also i said it just makes a good portion of your arsenal useless

i'm not referring to all weapons, and i'm saying when you have the ssg equiped (:

[vale gyro]

I'm aware

[halcyon willow]

The sole reason doom modding has gone for the last 30 years is the Doom 2 bestiary. I could easily put forward a well argued theory that none of the new doom games would exist if not for the Doom 2 bestiary

If you were to pick one game as the definitive doom, it would be Doom 2

[hearty gorge]

ehhh... not really

[halcyon willow]

Yes, really

[hearty gorge]

i prefer doom 1 over doom 2

V:

[halcyon willow]

Doom 1 was too restrictive, hence Doom 2

Like, it's a fine game and all. But it wasn't the foundation to launch a million custom wads

[hearty gorge]

yeah, i get where you're coming from yeah.

but doom 2 as the base game never sit well with me

[halcyon willow]

Episode 3 drags doom 1 down for me

Like, Inferno is just plain bad

[hearty gorge]

for me it's ep4

[halcyon willow]

Episode 4 is S+ tier

E4M1 and E4M2 in particular

Episode 1 has the best level design

[finite crag]

damn i think im the only one that likes episode 3😭

[halcyon willow]

Knee Deep in the Dead is pretty close to flawless tbh

[hearty gorge]

i like ep3 dw

[halcyon willow]

There are some cool ideas in Inferno, the level design lets it down hard though

[hearty gorge]

the spider mastermind boss fight was goofy ngl

but that midi has me transcending

[halcyon willow]

Part of that is the SMM is not the best designed enemy

It's either too easy to kill, or too annoying to fight

[hearty gorge]

and it's not that interesting either

mechanic wise

not visually

[halcyon willow]

The Demolisher variant, while a bit of a meme, is a much more interesting fight

Turns out the answer was to strap a bfg on lol

The size of the SMM makes it hard to use well as well

Anyhoo, which ever of the dooms is your personal favourite, Doom 2 is what lead to the longevity of the modding community.

Which in turn is why id is making more doom games and not quake

[hearty gorge]

i fucking love doom 2's variety when modding, for sure. But playing the base game as A game and not a blank canvas for mappers and modders is bad, imo.

[halcyon willow]

I much prefer Doom 2 to play. Except for the city maps. Those can go in the bin lol

Downtown

[hearty gorge]

downtown is disgusting

romero's try at making a city map was way better

idk why petersen didn't make the arrow a parking lot arrow, to atleast fit the city theme

[halcyon willow]

Best city map in the original iwads is Odyssey of Noises

[vestal flower]

I just finished every episode for the ultimate doom in doom + doom II and I didn't get the achievement. How do I fix this?

[hearty gorge]

did you skip any level?

[vestal flower]

Only 3 of the secret levels but that's it. I looked up awhile back that it might be a progression glitch for some achievements

[hearty gorge]

that's weird

but i think ik how to get the achievement rather quickly

i think it works

play through ep4 and reach the end

that might help but idk

[vestal flower]

I just did that and inferno

[finite crag]

funny how you can just warp to the final level, noclip your way through the exit and get the achievement

[vestal flower]

That doesn't work for me for some reason

[hearty gorge]

the kex port doesn't have anything to block you from cheating and getting achievements

which is hilarious

[finite crag]

Have they finally patched that out?

[hearty gorge]

i don't think so xd

but hey it's great when an iwad has a shit ending

like TNT's version of the IOS

you can't hit IOS's brain because of the enemies below and shit

i mean you can, but when i tried to i suffered

tnt withoug o'brian would've been more peak ngl

but RIP still

[vestal flower]

It fr took me 2 years to get through thy flesh consumed, I know that sounds a little dumb but I was only starting to become a doom fan

[wispy radish]

Should I buy 64?

[finite crag]

yes

[halcyon willow]

mhmm mhmm

[mighty walrus]

def

[oblique plaza]

here is bunch of reskins/recolors (harkubus w/ green projectiles etc) I have put together if u are looking for meshups https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/151712-mancubus2harkubus-reskin/

[teal delta]

why does my headset sound like im inside a can when I open Doom I + II?

bluetooth headset

[spark torrent]

I think that was a common bug a while back, someone mentioned a fix for it I'll see if I can find it

[teal delta]

k ty

it was a bug while back and they didnt fix it? 😮

[spark torrent]

#classic-doom message

[teal delta]

wow thanks a lot! i'll try

[spark torrent]

Could be a headphone issue not a game issue, no idea lol

[teal delta]

got it, i'll try that, ty!

[spark torrent]

As in why they haven't fixed it, I mean. Probably very hard and annoying to fix it for four hundred different bt headphones if the issue is those and not the game

I'm just very glad I saw that message many moons ago when it was posted so I knew it was there if someone needed it :)

[teal delta]

idk, i dont have any issue like that with any other game, so i'd find it hard to believe it's the headset

[teal delta]

oooh yea, for sure! thanks a lot, it's a very old message, dunno how u found it lol

[spark torrent]

Yeah I'm just spitballing ideas, I have no idea how to code or anything lol

I just searched for my message when I linked it for someone else and jumped to it from there

[teal delta]

gotcha

i'll store that too, might come in handy in the future, ty!

[spark torrent]

No use to me (rarely use headphones, don't have bt, own but haven't played the game) but I like being able to help when I can :)
I've gone searching for solutions for so many other tech problems I know the pain of them being so hard to find lol

[teal delta]

you sure did 🙂

yea, i mean, it was very weird opening the game and suddenly having my headset sound very bad lol. i restarted the game, turned it off and on, but nothing

[finite crag]

Greetings comrades

[teal delta]

hullo

[ancient torrent]

How to make an original DOOM soundtrack.
Step one: Listen to the Spotify playlist called "Thrashers"
Step two: Find the song that sounds the coolest to you.
Step three: Open Sekaiju.
Step four: Write a midi riff "heavily inspired" by the song from earlier.
Step five: At this point, you should be Bobby Prince.

[vast reef]

dude do u listen to doom midi covers of existing metal/rock songs

[ancient torrent]

no not really

[vast reef]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eG51vhYqlKo

[ancient torrent]

eyehategod is a cool band

southern metal is tuff

[wispy radish]

Just bought DOOM 64. can't wait to kill demons 64 times

[odd crescent]

nearly 7 mins of my ears being blessed, ty for posting this here anyway. are there more midi covers out there?

[vast reef]

check the guy's channel lol

[odd crescent]

Gmanlives and a midi artist combined lol

[stiff plaza]

Tougher than I imagined

I love eyehategod

[vast reef]

osaka why do u like eyehategod thats scary music for grownups

[stiff plaza]

Eep

[stiff plaza]

A friend of mine claimed he was a roadie for them while they had a show here

I think he’s lying tho

[vast reef]

did they share their heroin

[stiff plaza]

he claimed they fuxked up all the food in the back with him

[vague jetty]

Am I weird for liking the style of classic doom more than the later ones

There’s just something about older, retro textures and graphics I love

[umbral shale]

No you are not

[hard current]

Anyone know how to beat E1M3 on nightmare I can't get past the area where you flip the switch to get the maze secret but if I get past, I reach the area the pinkies and imps and shotgunners cram right before the blue keycard but its just about impossible, anything can help

[finite crag]

hey

[wind saddle]

Sup sup! 👋

I’m on a doom lore run. Also trying to get 100% secrets and trophies for them all.

Currently on TNT Evilution

[warm prism]

how come in Plutonia you have one of the most boring levels with the worst track (Bunker) and right after you have such a fucking frenzy of a level (anrichrist)

[tulip garnet]

thy flesh consumed on hurt me plenty is surprisingly pretty balanced

[wide shale]

Cause final doom was not invented like that it’s just a 2 32 level challenge pack

It’s very some levels are like ugh to some levels are cool

Idk how everyone else feels about final doom doe after replaying ive come to accept it alil more

I think bits of it are alil better then doom 2 honestly

[wide shale]

I think it’s even fair on ultra violence it’s when you turn on fast monsters it’s kinda hellish 😂

The most unfair part is the start that shit sucks

Sitting there having to conserve ammo for the second level is annoying

But it could be Sigil II

Sigil 2 is like the idea of the first level to thy flesh x2

It’s just always annoying to play

Cool levels but just constant annoying cyber demons and scarce ammo

[finite crag]

I did try to play more of UV Ep4 without saves but somehow perfect hatred really annoyed the shit out of me

[vestal flower]

Yeah, thy flesh consumed has alot of cyberdemons for some reason

[red hinge]

its so underated. goated game

[wispy radish]

Can't wait to try it. Gotta finish Thy Flesh Consumed then DOOM II first

[red hinge]

they flesh consumed is very painful on like the first 2 maps but then its fun.

[wispy radish]

first map, I thought it was complete bs with the baron of hell. Nah, that was child's play compared to how many barons there were on the second map. It's why I'm still stuck on E4M2 until now.

[red hinge]

good luck king. rip and tear

[finite crag]

Is there a good freeware version available?

[warm prism]

idk i just hate Bunker, might be the worst map, like it looks more like a Dungeon than a Bunker, and that backtracking bs is horrible

[forest fjord]

i have never once seen a playthrough of tricks and traps where somebody happened to run into the exit door so hard they bounced into the pit below

until right now

can you guess who it happened to

[finite crag]

bouncing walls wasnt a thing I knew before I started using “vanilla-accurate” ports

[keen wharf]

@vale gyro I need help with the GZDoom launcher. Please.

[warm prism]

if you could add any wad in the Doom + Doom II launcher, which would it be

[vast reef]

why ping cocopepe

[finite crag]

cuz he a penguin

who is also a coder

[summer comet]

i need help with a modded doom 1 wad, what do i select for the source port, i got the zdl 3.11 open and theres no source port to select.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1071919803381583904/1389125303548514354/image.png?ex=68637b41&is=686229c1&hm=a0bd1225fb90a4bf8d0fa619379463e7635903d9e6665362580248e8228f56d8& what do

[twin mortar]

Do you have any source ports installed? This is a .pk3 mod so you need GZDoom for it. Make sure you have it installed

Configure the path to it in the settings if so

[summer comet]

tthere were two gzdoom exes in the same file and no, because i never have modded doom before.

[twin mortar]

Install GZDoom then

[summer comet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1071919803381583904/1389127555352756324/image.png?ex=68637d59&is=68622bd9&hm=5f5b87363da17332495757f6db72d838755eca3cc7ed9cc0d9e4981cf531a34c& this shit?

[twin mortar]

That should be it yeah

[summer comet]

just click em right?

[twin mortar]

You can launch it this way if you don't mind not having it in ZDL, sure. Just make sure to drag the .pk3 on top of it

[summer comet]

i'll take that as a yes, and i was told by my brother to drag the pk3 to it, should i do it with the gzdoom files instead?

[twin mortar]

Idk what you mean by doing it with the gzdoom files. Grab the pk3 and drag it on top of the gzdoom.exe file, then it should ask you which IWAD to load. I see from that screenshot you don't have any. Do you own DOOM? If not, use Freedoom's IWAD

[summer comet]

I dont own doom, and im fucking lost as shit, i dont know what an iwad is or anything... i mean like, opening the pk3 with the gzdoom files.

i feel like im trying to dechiper ancient stone tablets.

[twin mortar]

Like I said, drag that onto the GZDoom.exe. But you can't load it without an IWAD, you'll need to either get it from DOOM or another id Tech 1 game, or install Freedoom

[summer comet]

well it worked, i dont know what i did or how it worked, but i got it working.

i rolled a nat 20 on the luck roll.

[twin mortar]

Alright neat

[finite crag]

yo anyone recommend any horror mods?

[severe birch]

So I'm trying to run a mod designed for GZDoom 4.14.1
I have the correct version, and doom 1 and 2 wad files from steam, but I keep getting this error:

OS: Windows 11 (or higher) (NT 10.0) Build 22631

GZDoom version g4.14.1
W_Init: Init WADfiles.
adding F:/DIAMOND DRAGON - Catgirl Cyberpunk Action/gzdoom-4-14-1-windows/gzdoom.pk3, 692 lumps
adding F:/DIAMOND DRAGON - Catgirl Cyberpunk Action/gzdoom-4-14-1-windows/game_support.pk3, 3308 lumps
adding F:/SteamLibrary/steamapps/common/ultimate doom/base/DOOM.WAD, 2306 lumps
adding F:/SteamLibrary/steamapps/common/Ultimate Doom/rerelease/id24res.wad, 530 lumps
adding F:/DIAMOND DRAGON - Catgirl Cyberpunk Action/gzdoom-4-14-1-windows/game_widescreen_gfx.pk3, 214 lumps
adding F:/DIAMOND DRAGON - Catgirl Cyberpunk Action/gzdoom-4-14-1-windows/DiamondDragon.pk3, 15881 lumps
adding F:/DIAMOND DRAGON - Catgirl Cyberpunk Action/gzdoom-4-14-1-windows/DiamondDragon.pk3:titlemap.wad, 7 lumps
S_Init: Setting up sound.
I_InitSound: Initializing OpenAL
Opened device IOpenAL Soft on Line (Cmedia Audio)
EFX enabled
Music "orb" not found
I_InitInput
I_StartupMouse
I_StartupKeyboard
I_StartupXInput
I_StartupRawPS2
I_StartupDirectInputJoystick
Vulkan device: INVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650
Vulkan device type: discrete gpu
Vulkan version: 1.4.303 (api) 572.64.0 (driver)
Max. texture size: 32768
Max. uniform buffer range: 65536
Min. uniform buffer offset alignment: 64
Resolution: 1920 x 1080
I_Init: Setting up machine state.
CPU speed: 2592 MHz
CPU Vendor ID: GenuineIntel
Name: 11th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-11400 @ 2.60GHz
Family 6, Model 167, Stepping 1
Features: SSE2 SSE3 SSSE3 SSE4.1 SSE4.2 AVX AVX2 AVX512 F16C FMA3 BMI1 BMI2 HyperThreading
V_Init: allocate screen.
ST_Init: Init startup screen.
Checking cmd-line parameters...
S_InitData: Load sound definitions.
G_ParseMapInfo: Load map definitions.
Texman.Init: Init texture manager.

Execution could not continue.
Corrupt zlib stream

[severe birch]

Not sure if divine frequency counts

but it's good

[finite crag]

yea ill try it rn

thanks

[vast reef]

redownload the mod

[severe birch]

I already tried that

[vast reef]

corrupt zlib stream means its probably not decompressing properly

change the pk3 to a zip (just rename) and then see if you can unzip it without error

[severe birch]

ok tried it. problem still happens

[wide shale]

Just burn it

[vast reef]

like with 7-zip/winrar?

[wide shale]

Will it launch the mod if you change it to wad and put it in skins folder

[vast reef]

gg man its probably a problem with the mod files

let me try downloading it later

[severe birch]

I turned it into a zip file like you said. Should I try extracting it?

[severe birch]

how do you do that

[vast reef]

thats what i meant brahbrah

[wide shale]

Do you not have winrar or 7zip

It’s a pretty common file extractor thing

[severe birch]

I have winrar

[wide shale]

You can look up how to change file extensions

Cause I don’t remember where it is

[severe birch]

what does burn mean in this context

[wide shale]

But you just check mark it and it will show the files extension like example being

Doom.pk3

Change the pk3 to the word wad

Put the mod in a skins folder and gzdoom auto reads

It works for like 90 ish percent of mods

[severe birch]

yeah it won't extract

[wide shale]

See if I wasn’t at work id ask you to stream dude

[vast reef]

yuup its a mod file problem

[severe birch]

wait where is the skins folder?

[wide shale]

You create it and just name it skins and put mod files in there

Gzdoom will read any files with wad in it in there

It probably realistically does without a skins folder but still would do it anyway just to be sure

[severe birch]

ok well I just tried that, and it doesn't show up

[wide shale]

Hmm if you can wait like 8 or 6 hours or so I can maybe help figure it out cause id be able to see 🤣

Cause I mean I’ve never had problems with mods for the most part

[severe birch]

ok the mod is https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/153613-diamond-dragon-catgirl-cyberpunk-action-updated-61925/

and it says on the page to use gzdoom version 4.14.1

I have also tried it on the most recent version too though, neither worked

[wide shale]

Do you have the main doom wads stupid question I know but still

Cause like 99% of the time it would just go like you have gz doom in a folder have the main doom wads in the folder with it

[severe birch]

Yeah I got the game on steam then copied the wad files in there.

[wide shale]

Then make a folder name it skins

Have it in the gzdoom folder of course

[severe birch]

yep

[wide shale]

Drop the mod files in the skins folder

Make sure all files would say .wad at the end

Launch whatever doom it is required to play and boom mod should go

And you can’t just type .wad you have to have show file extension checked and actually change the name of it that way

[twin mortar]

Generally you should always have show file extension on

[severe birch]

Just to be clear the wads from steam are the same wads that have always been used right?

[wide shale]

Idk if that exactly just gzdoom seems to instant recognize mod files if the extension of mod files are changed from pk3 to wad without having to do extra steps stuff

[twin mortar]

The WADs included in DOOM + DOOM II are very slightly different, very minimal stuff, almost 1:1 to the originals. Though it also comes with the original WADs

It shouldn't matter which one you use

[severe birch]

well do they work with gzdoom mods?

[twin mortar]

Any IWAD will

[wide shale]

Oh that yeah no your good any main doom wad will work with mods

[severe birch]

just making sure that's not breaking the mod

[wide shale]

There might be goofy texture errors if you don’t use specific doom like if someone says to use doom 2 before you play

But other then that nothing really crazy happens from what I remember

[twin mortar]

Actually you should ALWAYS use DOOM II, if you use DOOM I for a DOOM II mod there's a very high chance it won't function properly

DOOM II has exclusive enemies and the SSG, which are all very popular in mods. Make sure you always use the D2 IWAD

[wide shale]

Hopefully mod works this time

[severe birch]

what time? I didn't hear another fix suggestion

[wide shale]

I mean we explained all that makes like 99% of mods work if it’s deeper then that I would ask the mod author

Cause it definitely is a wilder issue then

[severe birch]

So was that 6 to 8 hours you mentioned literal?

[wide shale]

I meant that I would be off work and you could stream the issue and I could help solve because it’s easier to solve when you can get visual idea

But me and anomeq did pretty much explain what you gotta do to get classic doom mods going

Another thing you can do it drag the mod files into gzdoom launcher

That’s worked for me before

[severe birch]

that's what I've been doing. Is there another way to open it?

[wide shale]

Is gzdoom not just launching doom in general

Like just plain old doom

[severe birch]

no that works fine

[crystal hill]

It changes some things in how doom runs

Even if you run it on strict compat

[severe birch]

what changes it

[severe birch]

what does strict compat mean

[crystal hill]

No idea, I'm not a coder

[crystal hill]

There's different compatibility settings in GZDoom

Makes the game behave lile its running on different source ports

It can change if monsters are infinitely tall, if you can jump/crouch, etc

Too much work to keep track of it for me, I just keep it on zdoom all the time

[severe birch]

you used the term "it", what does "it" refer to in the sentence "It changes some things in how doom runs"

[crystal hill]

GZDoom?

[severe birch]

oh

well yeah that's the point

I was tryin to get a mod for gzdoom to work

[crystal hill]

Which mod?

Some are drag and drop, others are a lot more complex, others don't work

[severe birch]

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/153613-diamond-dragon-catgirl-cyberpunk-action-updated-61925/

[crystal hill]

Ahh. I'm not a gameplay mod enjoyer, probably cant be of much help

[wide shale]

Idk I’ll be home in like 6 to 8 hours it’s probably just a change file extension to .wad if the file extension of the mod isn’t that but I’ll see

Unless someone else can test it

Cause i do not recall gzdoom ever being a task to launch mods

Like if they made gz doom more annoying I actually will be sad lol

[crystal hill]

I've been having a lot of difficulties, but thats because I use linux

[severe birch]

I googled how to turn a pk3 into a wad, and it said it requires a lot of manual editing.

[crystal hill]

I found one specific version that will work with ZDL and I don't want to touch it in caae it explodes

[vast reef]

they are all essentially drag and drop

the "complex" ones just have more to drag and drop

[wide shale]

No it don’t you just check mark change file extension in your pc settings

[vast reef]

DONT DO THAT

[wide shale]

Then it will say something like

[vast reef]

pk3 is a zip file dude

wads are completely different

[wide shale]

Ok lmao

Omg I have like 20 plus classic doom mods installed stop

Like it’s not that crazy

You litterly just check mark this setting

Show file extension

Then the file will show up like

[vast reef]

brother the problem was corrupt zlib stream

[wide shale]

Lolfile.pk3

Stop using zlib

Like you don’t even need that like what lol

[vast reef]

i only mentioned converting to zip and extracting to see if it's a problem with how the mod is compressed

[vast reef]

yeah go reprogram gzdoom to not use zlib it'll take 7 minutes

[wide shale]

What

Why are you using something else to run mods when you don’t even have to do that lol

[severe birch]

"You can use SLADE 3 to copy the content. Select everything, copy, then in your wad, paste. It will copy the content of the selected folders. However, you'll have to insert the markers yourself." -some guy on doom world explaining how to convert pk3 to wad

[wide shale]

That’s actually wild lmao

[vast reef]

what are you talking about dude, zlib is a library gzdoom uses to deal with archives like .zips and pk3 is just renamed zip

fuck am i getting ragebaited

[wide shale]

wtf is zlib and why is it even being brought up I am just simply explaining how to run a dang mod files

[vast reef]

the error he got was corrupt zlib stream, it was in the log he sent

i am explaining why it won't run

[wide shale]

lol just burn it

Just actually nuke the pc

[severe birch]

I dunno but you seem to know more than toasty and he's at work. Would you be able to try to get it to run on your computer?

just to see

[vast reef]

in a bit im doing laundry

[severe birch]

thanks

[vast reef]

gimme like 12 minutes dude im sorry

[severe birch]

ok

[severe birch]

I already tried turning it into a zip remember?

[wide shale]

You don’t run mod files into a zip lmao

[vast reef]

🤦

a .pk3 is a .zip with the file extension changed

[severe birch]

you told me to try changing the file name to .zip

[vast reef]

i told you that to try and extract the mod files

[severe birch]

which I also tried

[vast reef]

so that you could diagnose if it was the mod files with the issue or gzdoom

[wide shale]

You can change file extension to wad with simple typing and it works it will say you sure you wanna change the file extension to wad you just say yes and have the mod file in skins and gzdoom reads it

It’s seriously that simple

[vast reef]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-bait-ragebait-angry-gon-bait-gif-5270896389597269350

[wide shale]

It is not rage bait lol

[vale gyro]

WADs are a completely different data type to pk3s (which are renamed ZIP files)

[vast reef]

pk3 is NOT just simply changeable to wad like that why do you think you need slade to open a wad while you can open pk3 with file explorer

[vale gyro]

you cannot change the file extension to something to change the data the file actually contains

[wide shale]

Ok then why have I done that and ran every file and it works :D

[vale gyro]

Why? Because GZDoom's actually programmed somewhat decent and only cares about the actual data and not the extension.

[vast reef]

maybe gzdoom was programmed to account for shitass stunts like that thats a possibility

[vale gyro]

So it'll read the file (which internally still is a pk3) and still be able to read the data

Why? Because it's a properly formatted pk3, just the fact you changed the file extension to the technically wrong one.

it is, however, not a WAD file still

[vast reef]

thank you coderpenguin1

[vale gyro]

it has the data structure of a pk3; a ZIP

and not the data structure of an actual WAD archive

[severe birch]

this reminds me of that guy who kept editing an article to say that valve maps are entirely made of displacements

[wide shale]

I know it’s not realistically a wad I’m saying you can still change it to that though and gzdoom reads it and runs the mod like you do not have to do nothing crazy at all

[vast reef]

and putting it in skins is just cheap autoload and will NOT fix his problem

[severe birch]

ok I'll try using a version of the file renamed to end in .wad, if only to humor this idea

[wide shale]

It’s a beautiful method

[vast reef]

👍

[woven swallow]

What is going on?

[vale gyro]

Yeah, and it won't fix anything here.

[severe birch]

yeah no it does work
who would have guessed

[wide shale]

Honestly what is all in that folder like that’s the first thing like we only know so much of what’s going on here to begin with

[vast reef]

LMFAO???

[vale gyro]

The file itself is corrupted, simple as that.

[wide shale]

OH MY GAWD HOLY MOLY SEE

[vast reef]

@severe birch HOLY FUCK THAT IS A RARE ASS BUG

[woven swallow]

[vast reef]

dont think ur correct because this is bizarre behavior

[twin mortar]

Toasty was being COOKED for minutes just to end up being the one with the right solution 😭

[wide shale]

THANKNYOU

[vast reef]

and its really fucking funny because how THE FUCK DID THAT FIX IT LMAO

[wide shale]

Jesus I’ve only ran ten thousand doom mods

[woven swallow]

What did you do? What is it?

[severe birch]

oh wait I mistyped

guys I typod

[twin mortar]

It's like that Family Guy clip of Brian and Peter and the car that I will not describe as it is NSFW

[vast reef]

💀💀💀

[twin mortar]

Nevermind...

[vast reef]

it doesn't work?

[severe birch]

it did NOT work

[vast reef]

LMFAOOOOOO

[severe birch]

yes obviously that wouldn't work

[twin mortar]

Emotional rollercoaster

[wide shale]

lol I’m over this ☠️

This is such a meme

[vast reef]

you are not correct

and i will use this as ragebait on the zdoom discord

thank you for this genuinely

[wide shale]

I think there is something deeper that is not being noticed

[vast reef]

gonna have a fun afternoon

[wide shale]

That he probably does not understand

Cause running doom mods is not that deep lmao

[severe birch]

the one with the rope?

[twin mortar]

Yes

[severe birch]

yeah well no I didn't work, I just mistyped

[vale gyro]

just redownload the mod if you haven't already

if not that, zlib in general could just be effed

[wide shale]

What is wrong with you why you trying to rage bait people ☠️ 😂

[vale gyro]

seeing the stream itself is mangled

[woven swallow]

[severe birch]

You'd think so, but I've redownloaded it several times, and none of the reveiws on doomworld say it's broken.

[vast reef]

it doesnt extract when you convert it to zip?

[severe birch]

nope

[vast reef]

like make sure you have show file extensions on

[wide shale]

☠️ 🔥

[woven swallow]

What’s the problem?

[severe birch]

yeah I do.

[vast reef]

download on a different browser

[vast reef]

shit

[severe birch]

#classic-doom message

[vast reef]

or download manager etc

[woven swallow]

What the hell

[wide shale]

lol

[woven swallow]

What’s the mod name?

[vast reef]

diamond dragon

[severe birch]

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/153613-diamond-dragon-catgirl-cyberpunk-action-updated-61925/

[vale gyro]

checking the download myself real quick

I can open it just file through 7-Zip

currently trying an extraction

[twin mortar]

I don't think I've ever seen so many people trying to solve a tech issue at once in my life

[vale gyro]

files aren't mangled on my end at all, weird

Yeah, something is absolutely breaking the files during the download on your end

[wide shale]

Like I said before if he could just stream it be easier to understand the issue

Cause like something is definitely weird

[severe birch]

did you extract it when as a pk3 or did you change the file name to .zip first?

[wide shale]

Cause I’ve never had doom mods be like deep issued to install

[severe birch]

have you tried running it to see if it works?

[wide shale]

Why would you extract files as pk3 you just extract them with winrar if you want or just drag and drop on to wherever

[vale gyro]

Yeah, I just did infact. It works on my end.

[severe birch]

ok does it crash when you switch to the sword? That happened one time on one of my fix attempts

[severe birch]

no they don't come back out as a pk3, I meant what file type was it when they hit extract

[woven swallow]

I have a question, did you try playing in GZdoom version 1.14.2?

[severe birch]

I tried both

[woven swallow]

[severe birch]

can you send me your extracted version? maybe that will fix it?

[vale gyro]

gimme a bit, I'm in the middle of something

[wide shale]

Yeah that should not be happening 😭

[vast reef]

honestly man fuck it reinstall gzdoom

[severe birch]

Ok well I just tried opening the pk3 file in winrar and extracting and that didn't work. Before that I tried changing the file name to .zip which also failed.

[wide shale]

Honestly man just nuke everything cause we have lost all hope

That’s what I do when mods give me trouble

Nah someone will save the day man don’t worry

[severe birch]

I did that multiple times

[wide shale]

I’ll test when I get home

Or if someone can get to it sooner

[severe birch]

@vast reef didn't you say you'd try after you were done with laundry?

[woven swallow]

I don’t have my pc right now, so I can’t even test it for myself

[severe birch]

oh

wait kenny quit confusing me

I mistook you for psionic for a sec there

Well it's 3:37 AM where I'm at, so I guess I should go to bed. I'll talk to yall tomorrow, bye.

[vale gyro]

@severe birch check DMs

[severe birch]

ok that works it seems

although I thought the mod had it's own maps

[vale gyro]

Nah, it's a gameplay mod.

[vast reef]

i just turned my laptop on

downloading it rn

my little sister and her friend blew up a water balloon

[severe birch]

weird this vid shows it with it's own maps https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENaPWClQek4

or maybe he just picked some maps he liked to run it on

[vast reef]

they are probably playing with wads

[severe birch]

Well it seems I got it to worj

*work

anyways sleep bye

[vast reef]

gn

[signal willow]

me and a friend created the classic doom 1 title screen but i cant share it with yall 😦

[wide shale]

I think you can post in a artwork channel

[signal willow]

Ok mate thx

[signal willow]

Posted

[wide shale]

Nice lol

[signal willow]

I love it

[crystal hill]

Icarus likes to play gameplay mods with custom maps

(and not link those maps in the desription)

guy is playing one of the best wads of all time and he isn't linking it

[civic walrus]

hi

im next

[wide shale]

Yeah gotta love that pain

I love Icarus but I do hate that

[crystal hill]

FYI its called Auger Zenith and its one of the most beautiful vanilla-ish doom wads I've ever played

[wide shale]

Needs more information lol

[civic walrus]

batman doom

[crystal hill]

It also plays really well, not too rough but also not boring for vets

No

[crystal hill]

From me?

[wide shale]

Not literally

It’s a goof comment

[crystal hill]

Ahh, oop

[crystal hill]

Its really neat as a wad that came out in the 90s, but it didnt leave much of an impression when I played

Maybe I'm a zoomer, but not a lot of 90s wads stick in my head as exceptional. Only ones that do are the Chord series (for the gameplay), Cyberdreams (for the unique premise) and Dystopia 3 (less than the others, also for the gameplay)

Oh, and Plutonia but that was a commercial product, so I dont really count it

[trim swift]

Any vanilla wads youd reccommend?

[crystal hill]

Alien Vendetta, an oldie but very much holds up in modern times

Plutonia 2 may also be vanilla (yes, it is)

Hellbound is an underappreciated one, but its limit removing instead of vanilla

[trim swift]

Only one ive tried is DoomZero

[wide shale]

It feels pretty vanilla from watching but eviternity what about that one

[crystal hill]

Almost certain it is not

No, it needs an MBF compatible port. It seems rsther advanced from what I saw of it

[crystal hill]

Havent played that. If it won a cacoward, I'll try it out eventually

[vale gyro]

Fava Beans is a quite nice Doom 1 episode replacement

also RUST (not Legacy Of Rust)

although you are kinda limited in what ports you can play RUST with

as it uses v1.666

but does also support GZDoom

[wide shale]

Caco ward :D

[crystal hill]

I've decided to play all of the winners and runners up

(I dont like most of them so far)

[crystal hill]

Fava Beans was quite like Doom Ep1, which was impressive back in the day

Since then there's been almost too many Doom E1 replacements

The Classic Episode is another good one

[trim swift]

It did im sure, its recognized by id

They got it as a featured mod in the doom+doom2 collection

[trim swift]

Oh it was a runner up

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Doom_Zero

[woven swallow]

Scythe and scythe 2
Boomer beyond vanilla
Alien vendetta
DBP maps
Plutonia 2
Back to Saturn x

Doom zero as well

[crystal hill]

I still play those, at least one really great mod was given a runner up instead of a full cacoward

[woven swallow]

Damn

[crystal hill]

2019 is gonna take a while though, I'm only on 2007 so far

[vast reef]

auger zenith looks way better than batman doom man

[severe birch]

Ok so downloading the pk3 from codepenguin worked, but I'm getting messed up downloads with auger zeneth too, and penguin is offline. Can somebody else send me the auger zenith wad please? https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/123042-dbp37-augerzenith-the-cyberpunk-megawad/

[severe birch]

Nevermind got someone else to do it.

[severe birch]

Ok small issue. I can play the auger zenith maps if I drag its wad to gzdoom then hit doom 2, and I can play the Diamond Dragon gameplay mod if I drag its pk3 to gzdoom then hit doom 2. How do I play auger zenith maps on diamond dragon like Icarus did?

[hard current]

I don't like sigil 2. I am playing the steam version or doom 1+2 and sigil 2 is hard on E6M8 cause I always fall down into the unescapeable lava which I hate.

[vale gyro]

drag both files onto it at once

or preferably use a launcher (like ZDL) for convivence's sake

[crystal hill]

if you're going to play a lot of doom wads, it's a very good idea to invest in a launcher

[wide shale]

I cannot stand Sigil 2

But the metal ost for it us so cool

[vale gyro]

I like it personally

[finite crag]

Any way to carry on progress on doom 1 + 2 between xbox, pc and mobile?

[umbral shale]

Play it!! Make sure it's the updated version, the unity port is not updated

[crystal hill]

I use GZDoom, I'll get the updated version

[lost marten]

Anyone played anomaly report? Just finished it, wish I could find a similar wad but with a higher difficulty

[hard current]

Is it just me or map 20 in master levels for doom 2 impossible. I can barely get past the area with hell knights when you finish off the mancubus is just impossible. I hate mephisto's mausoleum, the revenants make it impossible

Is this just me or do people agree with this opinion

[high depot]

Nah, plenty of people have completed Master Levels for DOOM 2.

It definitely gets tough though

[crystal hill]

I completed Master Levels once, because it's an "official" Doom game. Never again

A lot of the levels aren't so hard, just boring and unmemorable

[lofty stream]

Doctor sleep (I think his name was?)’s levels are pretty good though, only real stand out to me of those master levels

[crystal hill]

his were among the best, but still not amazing

[manic current]

IMO the hardest part is when you first enter the central building and have to deal with the revenants. If you can manage to do that (hint: falling into one of the pits and shooting the revenants from below actually makes it easier to dodge their rockets), the rest is easy IF you know what to do

The main thing is that though I like using rockets to deal with the mancubi, you need to keep an ample store of rockets throughout the level so you can pelt the icon of sin with them at the very end

If u want I can record a play through of the level for you

[hard current]

Sigil 2 E6M8 is also hard cause I ran out of plasma gun bullets the cyberdemon but I used 50 rockets and it won't die, do you hate the 2 cyberdemon and the spider mastermind in sigil 2 too?

[manic current]

Haven't played sigil 2

[hard current]

It's so hard, even on I'm too young to die E6M8 where you fight 2 cyberdemon and 1 spider mastermind which on Reddit I heard it has 3x health but its impossible

For me

Cause I only have 25 rockets and it takes 33 to kill it but I started with 50...

Just ran out of rockets and it is still alive

I used 50 rockets and it still hasn't died

[vale gyro]

Here’s the best part: you don’t attack the cyberdemons and mastermind until the very end

You want them to infight for like 5 minutes until there’s only a weakened cyberdemon and a mastermind (or hopefully just the mastermind)

[hard current]

Just killed the spider after 400 chaingun bullets, 50 rockets and like 30 shotgun shells

I'm so cooked cause after that I have 21% health cause it is so hard

[vale gyro]

Infighting will help you massively in other map sets, too

So learn how to utilize it

[hard current]

Just about to beat sigil 2

OMG

I beat sigil 2 after many attempts and the achievement didn't show 😤

[vale gyro]

Sigil 2 doesn’t have an achievement iirc

[manic current]

Yea it doesnt

[coarse horizon]

Romero programmed the mastermind with the two cybers as one with extra health if I remember seeing

[vale gyro]

the mastermind does have extra health, yeah

[coarse horizon]

It was like more than 3000? (Its original health?)

[vast reef]

you might have a fucked downloader dude

[lean canyon]

The SIGIL II mastermind had 9000 health

[coarse horizon]

i was close

i wa thinking 6000

[undone river]

I love classic doom, guys lol

[finite crag]

Can i load any save in classic dooms?

[lean frigate]

I just 100% achievements in doom 64

[mighty walrus]

yes

[crystal hill]

Bit of a long shot - does anyone know how to get the eternity engine running and playing Heartland on Linux?

[vale gyro]

would kinda depend on what distro you're using tbh

[crystal hill]

Linux Mint

[vale gyro]

but your best bet is probably to build it from source as per it's repo here.

[crystal hill]

In the recent past, I got the engine working, and playing the pwads

But I dont know how to get heartland running on it

Dragging and dropping wads onto it doesnt seem to work on linux

[vale gyro]

oh, so you already got it downloaded?

Alright. Go into the terminal and go into the directory where you have Eternity and Heartland (if it's an executable file) or go into the directory where you have Heartland (if it's installed as a package or you have it in your bin)

I'm not sure what eternity would be called, though, so you'd have to figure that out for yourself

anyways, you'd type in something like eternity -file heartland.pke

substituting eternity for whatever it's actually called

[hard current]

Just realized it after beating it

But hello

Is TNT evilution impossible? I am on map 30 last call and when you reach the end with the icon of sin, it's about impossible

[vast reef]

king penguin vs coder penguin 1v1

[crystal hill]

I dont think this works

When I type in eternity or eternity.exe into the terminal, it says the command is unrecognised

When I drag and drop it into the terminal, it says permission is denied, even when I open the folder as root

[vale gyro]

It shouldn’t be an EXE…

Unless you’re running through Wine, which might itself be causing issues

[hard current]

I meant plutonia is super hard

[manic current]

Yeah it appears the eternity devs don't publish binaries for Linux, so you have the option of building from source or running with wine

If I'm being 100% honest I almost feel like wine is the preferable option

[vale gyro]

I’ve always had issues running source ports through wine tbh

Mainly in relation to midis

[manic current]

I've never tried

[vale gyro]

Also performance can suffer in the worst of cases

[manic current]

I just run the kex engine port like a newb

[vale gyro]

I personally don’t like the KEX port for various reasons

Anyways, you could try Wine, noting it might have unknown issues

Or you can take your hand at building from source

[manic current]

Depending on what graphics APIs are used by eternity running it through steam proton might be the better choice

I'm about to test on my machine

Yes it would appear that just about everything except music works

I wonder what's up with that

[vale gyro]

No midi player, simple as that

Wine doesn’t have one built in

[manic current]

Nvm music works

It was just a bit quiet so I couldn't hear it

You know how e1m5 is

[vale gyro]

Weird that it works for ya

Never had any success getting music to work

On several machines

[manic current]

However by default it won't play anything. You have to go to options and switch the midi device from DEFAULT to ADLMIDI

[vale gyro]

Oh wait, yeah

That makes sense

It’s just an OPL3 emulator

So it will work by itself

[manic current]

better than nothing I suppose

[vale gyro]

If anything, I prefer ADLIB over OPL3

But well, if you got no better choices

Noted, I actually go with an SC-55 with an acoustic drum kit thrown on it

[manic current]

That sounds really cool actually

[vale gyro]

Though I will sometimes disable the latter if the midis just don’t work well with it

For example, Chex Quest’s opening theme

But generally it sounds fine

[manic current]

Got midi working

You basically run fluidsynth in the background with the sound font of your choice and it works

I could probably bundle windows eternity with a simple script to automate this for our friend

OK cool

[finite crag]

Like if i wanna continue progress between android versions and xbox versions

[viral compass]

Just finished DOOM 2 with pistol start, and NOW i understand why people don't like DOOM 2 maps

[woven swallow]

[heavy pollen]

Holy shit this game is so addicting

I just started and I got to E4

E4 is not as hard as everyone said

But it’s definitely a spike

And it’s the best one yet I fucking love this game!

[woven swallow]

It will get more addicting if you once play with custom maps, for now focus on beating the base game

[heavy pollen]

Yeah I wanted to try the MyHouse one

that looks trippy

[woven swallow]

custom maps and mods for doom that I recommend (warning, some of these amaps are hard as hell)
Sunlust
Lost Civilization
Magnolia
Italo
Dimensions
Hordamex (you can only play this wad in a very specific sourceport, that is odamex)
Fractured worlds
Plutonian 2
Eviternity 1 and 2
Struggel: Antaresian legacy
Lullaby (the graphics looks amazing, also only works on GZdoom)
Heartland (also need a specific sourceport, Eternity engine)
Scythe 1 and 2
Auger zenith
Abandon
Ad mortem
Alien vendetta
Doom zero
Boomer: beyond vanilla
Back to Saturn x (if you having trouble getting this to load, you need to also play it ep 2 of the wad and add the dehecked info)
Crusader
Cosmogenesis
Corruption cards (gzdoom mod)
Not even remotely fair
Nostalgia
Ozonia
Liminal doom 2 (if you like horror and like to give yourself paranoia, recommend playing the first map with a schizophrenic simulator noise in the background)
Sunder
Preacher
10x10
Ancient aliens
Going down
Speed of doom
Umbra
Wormwood
The DBP maps (look it up)
The way id did
C shock
Micro slaughter
Necromantic thirst
Violet shift
Capybara
Golden souls remastered (GZdoom)
Entropy
hardfest
1x1
breakpoint (GZdoom)
Austrian Avian Association

[umbral shale]

Doom zero mentioned

Scientist is a good one

If you don't mind the more pastel colors

And different looking caco

[woven swallow]

screw Myhouse.wad

[vestal flower]

I haven't played it myself but I don't think you should be mad at it cuz of how many demons there are

[woven swallow]

I play maps that has over 90k monsters in one map, i love slaughtermaps, I just don’t like Myhouse.wad is just not for me, its not a bad wad I would admit that, I know some people would enjoy it especially horror fans

[vestal flower]

Well, not all wads are good, so I don't blame you

[twin mortar]

I've played some of Scientist, my only memories of it though are being fascinated about having custom weapons on console DOOM lol

[umbral shale]

Ye anything with new assets or custom amazed me as a kid. Especially on console I thought I was getting exclusives lol

[twin mortar]

We've moved past that now with D+D2 but I guess it's still somewhat cool to see custom weapons in Unity. One of the add-ons in that has a slightly altered pistol animation

[umbral shale]

Ye well now I can play doom zero online with buddies so that's a W

[celest canopy]

what mods does decino use?

[undone river]

I wish I had a BFG

[vestal flower]

We all do

[vale gyro]

He only uses widescreen assets and minor sprite fixes

[vernal rune]

Star Cycle is another good series of maps. The last few can get brutal!

[warm prism]

imagine, i got a new mouse pad that says "Jesus my King and Saviour" while im playing Plutonia Map 27, aka "anti-christ"

[manic current]

Well I always like to say that doom is an extremely christian game became you spend it destroying demons

[warm prism]

speaking of, how exactly do i kill the unkillable arch-vile

[finite crag]

rocket splash damage

if you are lucky

[warm prism]

did it

that chaingunner had to die like 30 times

[ripe tree]

44+ minutes to get through a single map in Master Levels. 😅

That's probably twice the time it takes me to beat all Knee Deep of the Dead.

[loud agate]

I had a weird bug happen
I loaded into map07 in dosbox to record myself playing it on a demo and no items or enemies spawned

when i played the demo back enemies were there so idk

[lean frigate]

Damn you’re better than me then

[heavy pollen]

I mean idk what everyone plays on

I’m playing on ultra violence

[vale gyro]

generally people play UV

I usually learn more towards HMP, but have been playing UV much more

[warm prism]

let me guess, Black Tower?

[undone river]

Anyone seen some crazy modded levels on Doom?

[vast reef]

cosmogenesis mentioned

dude what kind of demented fuck are you to recommend italo doom, dimensions, cosmogenesis, sunlust, and sunder without mentioning their difficulty 😭😭

like mfs just have to guess which of those wads will break their skull in with a crowbar

[vast reef]

modded as in custom enemies/weapons/gameplay or do you just mean pwads

[ripe tree]

Absolutely correct

[median cloud]

Classic Doom isn't a very hard game bar nightmare tbf

Plutonia can be challenging but I wouldn't call it hard, custom mappack ramp up the difficulty a ton

[woven swallow]

I just copied my old messages

[warm prism]

just wait till you get to Hell Manor, Trapped on Titan, Teeth and Mephisto's Mausoleum

also the secret exit is on Teeth, ill just say you have to do an Arch-Vile jump

(Teeth being "The Elevator Express To Hell" which is a pretty accurate name)

[manic current]

I'm a big fan of mephisto's mausoleum

I play it multiple times a week so I can get better at it

[warm prism]

although the level is a bit broken

||in the Icon of Sin room there is a clipped spectre that cant be killed||

[manic current]

Lol yea

[slow oracle]

This first game

[twin mortar]

Yes

[worldly hound]

Rust dust Guts

[twin mortar]

This is the moment Doom Slayer no.572 posts something irrelevant to the channel (this has happened like five hundred times)

[finite crag]

k

[celest canopy]

I seek assistance for PrBoom + mouse issues

my mouse does not allow me to look around in doom 2

how do I fix this

[vale gyro]

You sure you have your mouse enabled in settings?
Also, I do suggest switching over to DSDA-Doom or Nyan Doom as PrBoom+ is out of development and basically replaced with DSDA-Doom (I mentioned Nyan as it’s a fork of DSDA-Doom, but with some extra stuff)

As iirc it’s not enabled by default in PrBoom+, though don’t quote me on that

I haven’t used that port in a while and could be thinking of PrBoom instead

[celest canopy]

well Im in the middle of playing through the game and cannot switch without losing progress

[vale gyro]

Ah

Unless you wanted to pistol start the map you’re on, I guess…

But yeah, maybe you accidentally disabled it

If it’s on and the horizontal sensitivity is up, then there’s some other issue

If needed, you can delete your config file and start it from scratch, see if that fixes anything

[warm prism]

anyone knows if there is a way to play the 3000 levels included in Master Levels?

like i wont play it fully because i love my mental health, but i want to take a peek into insanity

[halcyon willow]

Pretty sure Prboom+ does not have vertical freelook

[vale gyro]

I think they were just referring to mouselook in general

[halcyon willow]

Right. You can definitely use the mouse to rotate the player (even the original exe had that iirc)

Pretty sure it's default to on as well in Prboom+ but it's been a long time since I've had to set up that particular port

[vale gyro]

It did

Infact, it even had vertical mouse movement

... which couldn't be toggled off!

still kinda wonder why the official ports don't bundle NOVERT with the DOS versions tbh

yeah, can't find anything with freelook in PrBoom+'s settings

[halcyon willow]

To clarify for the general viewing public, this meant moving the mouse forward/back moved the player forward/back

Which is a thing that is used in speed running still in order to line up precision moves like void glides

Speedrunners will have that toggle bound to a hot key

[vale gyro]

I used to have it on a toggle before I replaced it with DSDA-Doom's console instead

or well, technically Nyan Doom's

as that's what I use over DSDA-Doom

[celest canopy]

what mods does youtuber decino use

[finite crag]

brutal doom

[vale gyro]

https://github.com/NightFright2k19/doom_widehud

https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/graphics/sprfix20

And he uses a custom DSDAHUD iirc

But don’t quote me on that

He uses Cameraman for his flyovers

[vale gyro]

He has never even used Brutal Doom on his channel before minus a single stream

[finite crag]

ik

the mods he uses are always in the description of his videos

[undone river]

Anyone here done a speed run of classic Doom?

[vestal flower]

Somewhat in doom episode 1

[vale gyro]

I have a sub-10 E1M1 NoMo run

But that’s basically it

[willow trail]

Hi guys

[vestal flower]

Yo

[willow trail]

[thick quail]

Beat sigil 1 yesterday

[vestal flower]

Nice

[warm prism]

nicee

[warm prism]

what exactly is GZDoom

[vestal flower]

It's a launcher for doom and wads

[vale gyro]

well, launcher isn't the correct term, it'd be source port

launchers are basically just graphical frontends to launch source ports

but specifically for GZDoom, it's an advanced source port with an extreme amount of features

including scripting languages, mapping features (like portals, for example), support for 3D models, etc.

[warm prism]

its not made by Id is it?

[vestal flower]

No

[vale gyro]

There's few source ports that are

[warm prism]

Kex is

[vale gyro]

Eh, not exactly

[vestal flower]

That's by nightdive

[vale gyro]

it was mainly made by Nightdive

[warm prism]

but in collab with Id

[vale gyro]

Unity was made by Nerve iirc

[vestal flower]

No, it's been around for awhile

[vale gyro]

well, the KEX engine being specifically used for Classic Doom is

[warm prism]

i kinda feel ignorant rn

[vale gyro]

though KEX as an engine has been around for a while

it was used for the Quake remasters, Doom 64's PC release, and among other things

[warm prism]

that i do know

also is Brutal Doom a mod?

[vale gyro]

but yeah, there's a ton of 3rd-party source ports

[vestal flower]

Yes

[vale gyro]

Yes. It's a mod mainly for GZDoom

but it does work under Zandronum (yet another source port)

[vast reef]

i just say zdoom

[vale gyro]

I don't think modern versions of BD work under ZDoom

[vast reef]

brutal doom is derived for general compatibility with zdoom-derived source ports

[warm prism]

lastly is Chocolate Doom a source port or a mod?

[vast reef]

i meant like zdoom-derived sorry

[vale gyro]

Source port

[vast reef]

it's a mod that adds chocolate ice craem to the game

[vast reef]

fuck i didn't type fast enough

[warm prism]

i see

[warm prism]

amazing

[vast reef]

always lie to people

[vale gyro]

It's a port meant to be identical to the DOS versions

and has all the original bugs to the DOS version

[warm prism]

i mean if it was that Id would be out of work

[vast reef]

chocolate doom demos work on DOS doom, no?

[vale gyro]

and will emulate specific bugs when it comes to specific IWADs (like TNT and Plutonia having the teleporter bug)

[vast reef]

lol wut

[vale gyro]

yeah iirc

[vast reef]

gnarly

[vale gyro]

I could check with my fork of Chocolate

[warm prism]

they couldnt top Doom with Chocolate ice cream

[vast reef]

https://tenor.com/view/chocolate-cake-dip-fork-taste-gif-12239826

[vast reef]

true

[vestal flower]

But they can make it a shotgun lovers pizza

[vast reef]

if they released the columbine doom wad id would be out of business too

[warm prism]

idk ill just stick to Kex for now

[vast reef]

no dont do that kex gives you lead poisoning

[warm prism]

until i decide to play myhouse

or Sunlust ig

[vast reef]

im naming a band sunlust

[vale gyro]

it does work

[vale gyro]

iirc Sunlust works under KEX

[vast reef]

you used dosbox?

[vale gyro]

I could test it on real hardware if I was doing Doom 2

[warm prism]

ill check tomorrow

[vale gyro]

but I do not want to get that setup

[warm prism]

its late and im sick

[vestal flower]

Most mods should work

[vale gyro]

well, anything that is vanilla, limit removing, Boom, MBF, and MBF21

though, with known compatibility issues

[warm prism]

ahh yeah i also didnt know what Boom is

[vast reef]

does kex support dehacked

[vale gyro]

Boom and MBF (NOT MBF21, though) were source ports that became modding standards as well.

[vestal flower]

I haven't heard of that in months

[vale gyro]

Yes, it does.

[vast reef]

fake doomer

[warm prism]

i recently got into Doom so idk all the source ports yet

[vale gyro]

MBF21 is another standard based from MBF, but it isn't a source port

[vestal flower]

I don't play mods but I play the games

[vast reef]

👍

[vale gyro]

also just to continue this chain, MBF was a fork of Boom

so it basically just goes from Vanilla/Limit-Removing > Boom > MBF > MBF21

[warm prism]

someday someone should make Strawberry Doom

[vast reef]

idk how people do that if u arent speedrunning or grinding out challenge runs doom 1/2 gets old after the 3rd or 4th playthrough

[vale gyro]

there is Cherry Doom

which is a fork of Nugget Doom

[warm prism]

whats a fork (in this context)

[vale gyro]

Basically they took the original version of something and modified it

[vestal flower]

What about shortcake doom?

[vale gyro]

in actual programming, it's when someone makes their own copy of a repository

[vale gyro]

which is then a fork of Woof

[warm prism]

like a mod but instead of just installing it you recreate it yourself?

[vale gyro]

which is then a fork of WinMBF, which is the Windows port of MBF

[vale gyro]

Not really a mod, but eh kinda

[vast reef]

forgive penguin he likes using words: fork means when u clone an existing thing and change its source code

[vale gyro]

You take the source code, modify it, and then you got your own version

that's a fork

[vast reef]

yeah^

[vestal flower]

Not recreate it, but add or change a few things

[warm prism]

ok i get it now

[vast reef]

i have a fork of yamagi quake 2 that just adds air control and jankass wallrunning

[warm prism]

y prefer Cookies n Cream Doom

[vale gyro]

that reminds me

[vast reef]

we need neapolitan doom

no fuck that we need hawaiian doom

[vale gyro]

there's a port called Rum & Raisin Doom

which was actually the port that the original version of ID24 was made on

[vestal flower]

Can it be mint?

[warm prism]

best i can do is TNT map 32

[vale gyro]

... I actually named my fork of Chocolate Doom Minty Doom lmao

[vestal flower]

XD

[vale gyro]

though, there was an older source port called Mint Doom

didn't knew it existed until after I came up with the name

[warm prism]

fuck it im opening an Ice Cream shop but instead of Ice Cream i serve Doom Source Ports

[vestal flower]

With shotgun shell sprinkles?

[vale gyro]

they're just on fuckin' LS-120 Super Disks

[warm prism]

yup

or maybe the sprinkles could be mods/wads

[vale gyro]

off-topic but I wished Eternity wasn't just the Heartland port

[vestal flower]

Then I'll take 2 scoops, one kex and one unity

[vale gyro]

as it has a ton of cool features you'd really only see in ZDoom-based ports but it still feels/looks vanilla

[vast reef]

🤢