classic-doom

[glad delta]

Yep penguin told me that, thanks for correcting me

[red harbor]

np

[glad delta]

[finite crag]

noice

you liked em? which one you liked most, hated most?

[zealous galleon]

I don't know what it was called, but started with a v

Map 17

No 18

Best one was 21

[finite crag]

My least favorite one was Elevator Express to Hell

[finite crag]

Map order differs on each port.

Vesperas starts with a v and yes that one sucks, I agree

I could not get that one key without guide

And yeah Vesperas is map 18 on PSN port from what I looked up, dunno which port you played tho

[meager sail]

thank you god bless

[finite quail]

Finished Doom II

my take on it is that the first few levels are kinda lame then it slowly starts to get good

[worldly vapor]

so I take it the kex port isn't getting more updates any time soon?

[vale gyro]

more than likely

if you're on PC, I recommend trying some source ports instead

[worldly vapor]

does this port have voice chat for multiplayer sessions? cause that might be why it does the weird audio thing

wants to use the hands-free profile on my headphones even though I have it disabled, so all audio cuts off instead

[vale gyro]

yes

[worldly vapor]

uh I usually gzdoom but it's slippery

don't know if that makes any sense

so I tried out dsda-doom but the framerate seems to be glued to 35

[azure nimbus]

It isn't. look for "uncapped framerate" then pick a framerate

[worldly vapor]

oh, so it's like with zdaemon, okay

[vale gyro]

oh I had the same issue, dw

[worldly vapor]

thanks now it runs good, also damn is it quick

[vale gyro]

oh yeah, if DSDA-Doom is still not satisfactory to you, there's also Woof

used to use that and also a fork of it called Nugget Doom before switching to Nyan Doom (DSDA-Doom fork)

[hot owl]

Nyan doom..

[vale gyro]

Nyan Doom's been nearly perfect for me

[worldly vapor]

the other thing that really peeved me about the kex port is weapon switching
I'm a pleb so I use next/previous bindings, and they made is so that it would delay the switching until you didn't use the binding after like a second and a half

[smoky anvil]

Wdym slippery?

[vale gyro]

GZDoom's physics are fundamentally different to the original engine's. Some people will often find these changed physics slippery due to somewhat lowered friction.

[smoky anvil]

ive been messing around with gzdoom and i noticed right off the bat the movement is slower for sure

[worldly vapor]

yeah that, friction

[smoky anvil]

also some of the enemy behavior is different as well

[azure nimbus]

it's all slightly different

[thorn jungle]

i finally beat Map 30, as well as DOOM II on HMP

ICON OF SIN

Kills: 2400%
Items: 50%
Secret: 100%

Time: 2:52

now time for UV

[finite crag]

Dont know why they decided that when a map has no secrets the stat screen will display 0% instead of 100% in vanilla Doom

It hurts my feelings

[halcyon willow]

It's less a decision, more a quirk in the original code

[young wind]

Onion

[woven swallow]

Onion

[smoky anvil]

Onion

[thorn jungle]

i dunno, in the original DOS version, you couldn't get the SECRET FOUND notification, and you couldn't even see how many secrets were in the level

i think in 1994, the 100% thing was done to assure players that there were no secrets to be found, instead of them going "omg i got 0% secrets?!?! i gotta replay that hard af level to get 100%!!!"

of course, that's just my theory

[thorn jungle]

the baron of hell and hell knights cannot infight because they are hardcoded to never infight

why didn't they just do the same with the spiderdemon and the arachnotrons? they are obviously the same species, and if they were coded to never infight, then they'd be more effective and you'd see them more in maps

[finite crag]

pretty different demon

[thorn jungle]

the spiderdemon is weak enough, she didn't need to be nerfed even more by making her children gang up on her and kill her

[finite crag]

yeah but the hell knight is literally a palette swap of the baron but with less health

[thorn jungle]

give me a good reason why the spiderdemon and the arachnotron should infight (besides ammo conservation)

[finite crag]

cuz infighting is cool

a doom without infighting is a bad doom game

Nah but probably it was easier to do with the hell knight and baron because they are almost the same thing

[hot owl]

Brother it's just a difficulty, don't be a dick

[thorn jungle]

MAP07's grass

dude i take breaks too yknow, i'm a busy student

i have a script to revise in 11 days, and only managed to fit MAP 29 and 30 in one night for fun

also i never said i was gonna play the entirety of DOOM II on UV in one sitting

i only said "time for UV" and that was it why do you have to make it a big deal

sure whatever helps you sleep

does it stay beside you while you play doom

argument over

i will not argue, that's something i agree with

"The Chasm is easy on HMP"

ps: i literally beat it in one try, without reloading my beginning-of-level save

yes

skill issue

[sterile rover]

but your profile

[thorn jungle]

i have a dog at home, but i like cats more

i just don't have a cat of my own

[sterile rover]

I used to prefer dogs when I just had a dog

and she was great but now we got 2 cats and a big problem-dog who barks loudly and aggressively whenever she hears literally anything in a mile radius of our house, can’t be taken for walks and destroys things (and she’s an adult)
so uh yeah I think I like cats more now lol

[thorn jungle]

train her

[sterile rover]

bro she kept attacking a hedgehog that was curled into a ball and cut her mouth up there is no helping her

[thorn jungle]

that's savage

[sterile rover]

it was ok luckily, that’s what they’re made for I guess

[vast reef]

i think cats are funnier but dogs r more fun

but tbh its only bc dogs r more likely to want to play

i had this one cat who was rlly active and was rlly fun to like wrestle with n stuff

[thorn jungle]

slr yeah, for me cats are more of calm creatures that you don't need to chase around the house\

instead, they'll just sit beside you and give you company

[desert adder]

is there a way to play multi player in classic doom and how?

[thorn jungle]

deathmatch or co-op

i have no access to the official Doom 1 + 2 pack on steam because i have no $5

[red harbor]

then how do you have the wads? 🤨

unless you use freedoom or other iwad replacements then in that case fair enough

[thorn jungle]

PrBoom+

[red harbor]

OH MODERATORS!

[thorn jungle]

EY

[red harbor]

like bro you dont just admit to piracy like that in the official doom server 💀

[thorn jungle]

didn't know it wasn't allowed

ごめんなさい

[red harbor]

technically not stated in the rules so you can argue its allowed but i think this falls under common sense

since like i said this is the official doom server

[thorn jungle]

yeah in hindsight i should have seen that coming

俺は愚かを気持ちですよ 🙂

[twin mortar]

It is stated in the rules

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[red harbor]

oh im blind 😭

[glad delta]

Oh yeah, piracy

[finite crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/337922100457242627/1300154824397946920/stopt-ezgif.com-webp-to-gif-converter.gif

[twin mortar]

This type of discussion has gotten people banned before, I'd just back off

[finite crag]

Let's keep it at that chief

https://tenor.com/view/mr-krabs-money-spongebob-gif-8454828

yo Eddie what happened to your old account

fair enuff

...let's move this to #general

[rough estuary]

hmm so a buddy just got the DOOM 1+2 (on steam)
and for some reason his FPS drops like hell and crashes sometimes when he use the minimap.
I never encountered this myself so I dunno what could be the problem hes coming across

[vale gyro]

Several people have had the same issue

I think zero have had any fix for it

[rough estuary]

yeah Im googling around and seems like bunch of ppl got the same issue, I never ran into it myself though and I was running on a dirt old system

[vale gyro]

You could tell your friend to use a source port if they have zero care for achievements

[rough estuary]

I told my buddy to turn off the vsync, and he also lowered some settings

[vale gyro]

And well, if you have no fix for it

[rough estuary]

ahh yeah

[vale gyro]

Though, if you go the port route

I do suggest asking him what experience he wants out the game

And helping him set up a launcher even if they don’t care about mods

[rough estuary]

well I gifted him the game so he could have the ye olde experience of the classic best game ever xD

[vale gyro]

Nice

The official port is fucked tbh

[rough estuary]

myself I used GZdoom for a bit for random cutsom maps, and hoenstly I seem to run into more problems in GZ than KEX, with KEX Ive had zero problems myself for some reason

[vale gyro]

I’d rather use GZ than KEX

And I’m a person who absolutely hates GZDoom

But yeah, hope you find a solution

[vale gyro]

If not, do this and tell me whatever they say

[rough estuary]

xDD
I like the kex more xD
but ye Ill suggest to my buddy the GZdoom

[vale gyro]

I can probably find at least a few ports that’ll fit what they want

[vale gyro]

GZ may not be their best pick depending who they are

Ofc I don’t know them

But it’s better to ask than not to

[twin mortar]

Why?

[umbral shale]

[vale gyro]

Because at least GZ fucking works

[twin mortar]

Vague answer

[vale gyro]

I’ve had so many issues with KEX that it’s basically unplayable

Especially after that second update

[smoky anvil]

Ive gotten extremely lucky and have had almost 0 issues

[nocturne pulsar]

Hi! I'm playing the original Doom and Doom2 in GZdoom and enjoy it. I've not played custom map packs, but I see lots of them are just putting 40000 monsters in a level.. Surely there are some more OG style map packs focussing more on level design than monster count? Any tips which ones I should try?

[vale gyro]

Overboard

You may need to turn jumping and crouching off, though

I’m not 100% sure if those will break the map or not, seeing it’s designed for Boom

[nocturne pulsar]

Yeah I prefer to play fairly close to the original, no mouse look or jumping

[vale gyro]

There’s not too many maps (6 normal, 6 New Game + maps, and 2 ending maps)

But it’s a really fun WAD

[nocturne pulsar]

Thanks, I'll check it out

[finite crag]

I never felt that Kex engine was unplayable

Ok yees, I got crashes a couple of timess, but it's very rare for me. But I won't defend the times where it did crash because I had no idea what or how it happened

[smoky anvil]

The only other issue ive had is a minor one where the map names of some wads are replaced by default doom 2 map names (intermission screens, level selector), no idea whats causing it tho

[glad delta]

there's a category for doom maps called slaughtermaps

It is just what you mentioned here

[glad delta]

I'll just show some personally funny and good wads

Magnificent Five DP30
Pirate doom 1 and 2 (gzdoom)
Map of Chaos
Eviternity
Back to Saturn X
Lunatic (moon theme, love it)
Going down (this one is creative)
Sigil
Auger Zenith (this one is absolute cinema)
Scythe (this one have one map like slaughter but please give it a try)
Immortal Warfare DBP58
The way id did
Deep Breath (underwater battle :D)
Cosmogenesis
Intergalactic Xenology Trilogy

I don't know if i could send links here

and please if some of these wads are gzdoom only correct me, I don't remember quite well

oh if i recommended some difficult maps, my bad

[smoky anvil]

Back to saturn x (both episodes), very good but can also be a bit on the difficult side

Especially ep 2

[nocturne pulsar]

Thanks @glad delta and @vale gyro I'll check those out.

[flint fog]

Does anyone know how to fix the kexJobThread crashed, exiting. See CRASHLOG.TXT for information. it a pain to deal with

[finite crag]

play on a different port

[thorn jungle]

i really recommend PrBoom+

[finite crag]

that port is discontinued

[smoky anvil]

No you can still download and use it

[finite crag]

use dsda doom instead

[smoky anvil]

Im gonna start using that one soon i think or something like it

[finite crag]

it has an option to emulate software renderer lightning quite accurately

[smoky anvil]

I think it also uses a different midi player than kex as well

[flint fog]

cause I bought the game and then the errors

[finite crag]

Almost three updates in and they cannot fix the crashing if you start a new game fast

[surreal portal]

the official doom ports just be cursed

Quake 1 and 2 tho are overall nice

especially 2 backporting all the GZ Ai changes and then some

[surreal portal]

well, PC ones at least, the ol XBLA port was a good one

[flint fog]

well thanks for letting me know I'm not the only one dealing with this

[surreal portal]

youhave the WAD files, go use DSDA doom as the port of choice
Tends to be the case for most things, like using Ironwail for Quake 1

[vast reef]

discontinued means no more bugfixes or other updates

[smoky anvil]

Oops, vocab is not my strong suit lol

[vast reef]

well it can mean that it isn't up for download either, you're not wrong :P

discontinued just means that in this case

[smoky anvil]

Ive seen it on a few sites where u can get it

[surreal portal]

it's just that these days there's no real reason to, we have better source ports for that these days

[finite crag]

gzdoom

[smoky anvil]

Gzdoom isnt that good

[finite crag]

proof?

[smoky anvil]

Personal experience

It does have some very cool graphic effects and some nice qol settings but it changes too much from how the og game was

[finite crag]

i dont believe u

[smoky anvil]

Then dont

It also took like 20 mins of messing with settings to make it feel like the og game which was a bit annoying

[finite crag]

vanilla essence

[smoky anvil]

It lacks that

[finite crag]

wrong

there's literally a mod called vanilla essence

That makes gzdoom look like vanilla

[smoky anvil]

Or….. i could use a source port that is closer to vanilla than gz

[finite crag]

yeah but no pk3 wads

[smoky anvil]

Then i would use gz for those

[finite crag]

only mbf21

[vale gyro]

and most of them are uninteresting to me anyways lol

[vale gyro]

Look and feel are two completely separate things. You can make GZDoom look like vanilla much easier than you can make it feel like vanilla.

[finite crag]

false

[vale gyro]

Feel does include how the player moves, which means you do have to modify GZDoom's changed physics.

[finite crag]

gzdoom is even better since you dont have to worry about the dumbass blockmap hit detection

[vale gyro]

there's also just cases where GZ literally can't play some Boom/MBF(21) WADs

for example, POOGERS, a WAD that heavily relies on original collision code for a ton to work properly, will break under GZDoom

[finite crag]

And the chainsaw at least works with pinkies

[vale gyro]

to a point where the mappers had to use GZDoom's physics against it to prevent players from even playing

[finite crag]

In vanilla its completely useless

[vale gyro]

... and it does under vanilla, too?

unless you're referring to chainsaws in Nightmare!, and in that case it's because pinkies just don't stun for long enough

[finite crag]

nah, youll get hit frequently if you use the chainsaw against a pinky

And im not talking about fast pinkies

[vale gyro]

I call bullshit on that.

[smoky anvil]

Not true

[vale gyro]

I've been playing vanilla my whole damn time of playing Doom

[finite crag]

Same

[vale gyro]

the fact you've been using GZDoom says otherwise

[finite crag]

Sourceport superiority

lmao

Im better than you because I play almost vanilla doom

[vale gyro]

you play with a source port that's been almost entirely rewritten with major code changes that breaks demo compatibility

that isn't almost vanilla as it isn't even vanilla compatible

[finite crag]

I also play “vanilla” sourceports

And I can say the hit detection has been ass since I started using them

[vale gyro]

never had any major issues with collision detection

[smoky anvil]

Eh he does have a point there, the blockmap bug is annoying as fuck

[finite crag]

I love when my ssg misses every damn shot when I try to kill a zombieman

[vale gyro]

unless I've subconsciously learnt how to compensate for that bug, I have had no time where it's been any actual issue

at most I miss like one shot

[smoky anvil]

Ive had it happen a few times

[finite crag]

good god woof has an option to fix the blockmap hit registration

[smoky anvil]

Ive missed entire ssg shots at point blank lol

[vale gyro]

I know I'm in the minority, but I do care about being as accurate as possible to what the map designer intended when playing a WAD

[finite crag]

But even then
The purist brainrot got me and I prefer leaving all the compatibility options as vanilla

[vale gyro]

has the lowest chance of something breaking

[vale gyro]

-# also I should mention GZDoom isn't even programmed in C like in most other ports, it's in C++

-# not really anything, but I wanted to point that out nonetheless

[finite crag]

I used to think everyone was mean with the chainsaw for no reason since you can even stun lock a mancubi with it on zdoom based ports

[vale gyro]

I've just never had issues with the chainsaw personally

[finite crag]

Now I know why the say its completely useless

Cant even be used on pinkies

[vast reef]

gzdoom isn't for playing the original game accurately it's for mods and extra features

[vale gyro]

rip

I got the ping and then the message just gets fucking destroyed

[vast reef]

demo compat doesn't matter unless you speedrun or do other technical shit that requires all the quirks of the original engine

[vale gyro]

well, it does when it comes to making sure something doesn't break

[vast reef]

i'm talking about player experience

like the average player will not notice a difference aside from potentially janky movement when they play in gz with vanilla settings and something like dsda-doom

[vale gyro]

well, it does also refer to player experience when their map becomes literally unplayable

[vast reef]

because the enemies and weapons act virtually the same

[vast reef]

are there any maps that are unplayable in gz aside from something like heartwork that uses its own source port

[vale gyro]

POOGERS

[finite crag]

Isnt that wad haunted?

[vast reef]

ok and do maps like these make up even 10% of all the wads out there

[vale gyro]

will literally prevent you from playing due to it requiring Boom physics

[vast reef]

it's an exception and not a rule !!!

[smoky anvil]

Not true, ive seen some enemies behave different and also hallways where enemies would normally get stuck they dont

[vale gyro]

anything using voodoo dolls and conveyors have a chance of breaking as well

[vast reef]

yeah i notice that too but thats because i give a shit and because i play a lot of wads

for vanilla iwads, you won't notice much

[smoky anvil]

Exactly man i also play a lot of wads and i want the game to behave as i know it will

[vast reef]

yeah because we give a shit abt that, but that doesn't mean gzdoom is immediately a worse port it just doesn't do some things

a hammer isn't better or worse than an axe it just does something else

[vale gyro]

That was never my point

[finite crag]

so zased

[vast reef]

im not talking to you rn

[vale gyro]

oh, sorry

[vast reef]

and if nobody made that point then im sorry i misread

[vale gyro]

I don't recall anyone making a point like that, no

[finite crag]

gzdoom is a good port but a bad doom port

[vale gyro]

'less I missed something from MovingTarget

[vast reef]

your point is vanilla doesn't count if it's in gz and my point is game behavior is similar enough for most people to not care!!!

[smoky anvil]

Eh i dont think its shit but from a purist standpoint i dont really like it, i actually would recommend it for casual players who dont care about vanilla

Its just not the one for me lol

[vale gyro]

I usually ask what people want out of Doom before recommending them any source port for a reason

some want to be purists (me), some just don't effing care

[vast reef]

i just say gz has mods but has some physics and behavior changes so it's not speedrun-legal and a handful of wads that rely on the changed quirks might break

and then that everything else is vanilla-accurate but can't play mods like brutal doom or whatever

it oversimplifies but that's the point

people asking for what source port to download do not want to hear about complevels

[vale gyro]

I'm more of a person that likes going in-depth so...

I take what they tell me, present them a few options, and I go in depth about said options

[vast reef]

bc im pretty sure people who do want to hear about complevels will probably already have checked out the rest of the internet for all the readily available resources on what source port to download first before going to discord

[vast reef]

gzdoom is a bad port but a bad doom port

and yet i have 60% of my playtime on it LMAO

[finite crag]

Proof????

[vale gyro]

GZ was technically the first port I used, but I stopped using it so quickly that I don't even count it at this point.

[smoky anvil]

That boils down to personal preference

[vale gyro]

I immediately felt off about it

mind you, at that time I was still using only DOSBOX

it wasn't until like a few months later where I finally switched to Crispy Doom after wanting to play Sigil 1

[finite crag]

Woof devs havent fixed the umap info for e5m8 yet

[vast reef]

nothing much its just that shit that seems like it should run really easily ends up running like ass (in reality it's because gzdoom needs to maintain backward compatibility so features like 3d floors and all that can never be as performant as engines that are designed ground-up for those)

[vale gyro]

you can fix it yourself very easily in the WAD itself, but it does fix itself if you have a specific filename as well

y'should make an issue about it tbh

unless it's already been done before

might've been for all I know

I don't exactly follow its Github

[finite crag]

my uv fast run was ruined

[vast reef]

so gzdoom is ass as a game engine but as a doom port it's good because it maintains (enough!) backwards compatibility while adding loads of features and kinda does what it can performance wise

so its the reverse of ur original statement imo

[vale gyro]

well, if you're speedrunning I doubt you actually could make modifications to the WAD

[finite crag]

after killing the spider mastermind the level ended and I wasted like an hour of my life on that

[vale gyro]

I usually keep my WAD names their original names just to make sure ports that check file names for those changes don't break

I honestly think they should do hash checks instead of file name checks

or even just checking something within the WAD itself

[finite crag]

Is it true that golden souls 2 or whatever its called runs like crap on a rtx 2080 super??

[vale gyro]

though, if you want to make the fix yourself

open up SIGIL in slade and open up UMAPINFO

[finite crag]

I'll try to submit the issue on github

[vale gyro]

go to E5M8 and insert this at the end of it just before the }
bossaction = clear

[finite crag]

Or in doomworld

But for now yeah I think I'll fix it myself

Thanks for the help

[vast reef]

pretty sure yeah

[vale gyro]

just note it may not be allowed by DSDA if you're doing actual runs

[vast reef]

its so funny how dsda doom the source port is more well-known rn than dsda the speedrunning archive

[thorn jungle]

have you guys finished Doom 2 pistol start?

[vale gyro]

yeah lol

[smoky anvil]

I uvmaxed it pistol start

[vale gyro]

so many people have misread my messages due to that

[thorn jungle]

nice

[vale gyro]

I'll be honest I've only finished Doom 2 once

I'm not a big fan of Doom 2's base levels

[thorn jungle]

for now the only thing that i've UV pistol started is Doom 1 Episode 1

[vale gyro]

I've personally done the first 3 episodes pistol started iirc

[thorn jungle]

i don't have the confidence to UV pistol start Episode 2 yet

[vale gyro]

here's a tip: look at the maps in Doom Builder

[thorn jungle]

though i have beaten Doom 1 on UV

i don't tend to mess around in doom builder often

[vale gyro]

you really only need it to see where stuff is in this case

[smoky anvil]

If you pistol start doom 2 on uv, the start of map 23 will be the hardest part of the whole game

[vale gyro]

that's actually what I did to plan my route for a small challenge run I did

well, it wasn't really a challenge when it came to actual enemy difficulty

I usually play on HMP, so the demo is technically an HMP 100%

[thorn jungle]

i HATE barrels o' fun

[smoky anvil]

Ooooh ur gonna hate it when u pistol start it

[vale gyro]

yeah, probably

[thorn jungle]

on HMP, the regular shotgun usually helps me wipe out the imps and hell knight, along with the barrels

but the pain elementals are gonna ruin everything

[thorn jungle]

even tho im not pistol starting

[smoky anvil]

On uv theres like 5 or 6 pain elementals with barely any ammo to fight them with

[thorn jungle]

iirc, on HMP there's like 2?

[vale gyro]

y'could just do the funny thing and YOLO it

[thorn jungle]

yeah there's only two

[smoky anvil]

Oof

[finite crag]

Didnt even know elastic collisions were a thing

[thorn jungle]

besides doom music, what other metal bands do you like?

i like Linkin Park and BABYMETAL (yep)

wait let's talk about this on #general

[vale gyro]

see you there

[pale palm]

I know this may be a stupid question, but are wall crushers possible in classic doom?

[vale gyro]

possibly with some weird stuff with GZ

not sure with anything that could run under Woof or DSDA-Doom, though

[thorn jungle]

in the DOS version and in many sourceports, no

[pale palm]

The only instance of wall crushers in the Doom franchise that I know of are the spiked wall crushers found in Doom Hunter Base (Doom Eternal)

[azure nimbus]

No but I'm sure that you could sorta fake that type of effect with consecutive vertical instant stair builders to pretend to be a wall

[vast reef]

ooh that sounds cool might try that

[pale palm]

I kinda hope that wall crushers become more common in the doom franchise.

[smoky anvil]

Finally getting prboom+ to run 😄

[vale gyro]

nice

[smoky anvil]

A lot of work just to get it going tho

Liking prboom a lot better than gzdoom right off the bat

[finite crag]

nah but seriously you should go for dsda doom instead

[smoky anvil]

I will, but i wanna give a bunch of different ports a shot lol

[finite crag]

oh ok

[smoky anvil]

Next will be dsda i think

[vale gyro]

I prefer Nyan over DSDA tbh

though that's just due to personal preference

[smoky anvil]

What does nyan do differently?

[vast reef]

New animated background / menu element lump support (for animated M_DOOM, TITLEPIC, INTERPIC, etc)
Native widescreen lump support for widescreen assets (avoiding the need for separate asset WADs)
Support for GAMEVERS lump in combination with COMPLVL to further specify Vanilla compatibility.
Limit-Removing Support for Vanilla style maps to ignore overflow errors (such as all-ghosts, etc)
Native "berserk" and "armour" elements on the statusbar (Options > Display)
Extended HUD "Status Widget" showing currently active powerups (Options > Display)
Savegame support for per-game modifiers (pistol start, respawn, fast monsters, etc)
Experimental "Light Amplification Visor" screen effect
In-depth "Boom Translucency" customization
Smarter "Colored Blood" option
Enhanced ENDOOM support
All DSDA-Doom features... and more!

from their github

[smoky anvil]

Seems pretty cool, i’ll have to check that out as well

[vast reef]

Added support for Boom Extended HELP screens (HELP01-HELP99) for Doom 2 / Plutonia / TNT (previously only accessible via Doom 1)
- See an example/overview of the feature
Added support for widescreen lumps (no more widescreen asset wads)
Added animated backgrounds and menu graphics support (TITLEPIC, INTERPIC, M_DOOM, etc)
"Play demos while in menus" (Default: yes) - allows for demos to play under the menu like in Vanilla
"Pause after intermission" (Default: yes) - adds an additional pause before "entering" the next map (this is disabled when playing or recording demos to avoid desync)
Simplified / Re-organised options menus
Support for new Statusbar elements (Options > Status Bar / HUD > Status Indicators)
- Berserk - shows a cross near doomguy's face when active
- Armor - shows a green/blue icon next to doomguy's face indicating the type of armor had
Support for 2 new HUD elements (sml_berserk / sml_armor) for DSDAHUD lump
Extra support for REKKR loaded as an IWAD (just shows the name in console when booting up)
Nyan Doom v1.1.6

This update adds some ENDOOM improvements, a new "Pistol Start" menu option / functionality, Additional native animated lumps, and more!
New Stuffs:
ENDOOM
Added option to switch between DSDA Doom "Terminal" or PrBoom's classic "window" ENDOOM style.
Added option to view 'only PWAD' ENDOOM
"Pistol Start" Menu Option
Config option has 3 settings: "off", "session", "always"
"session" only sets pistol start for that current play session. Quitting will reset to "off"
"-pistolstart" argument now sets config to "session" (This means it's possible to turn the argument off while in-game)

from doomworld thread

its turbo nerd shit but its damn good turbo nerd shit

[smoky anvil]

Something super annoying about prboom is i cant have the sg and ssg bound to the same key

I was wrong lol

Whaddafuck

[vast reef]

what 😭

were u like misclicking weirdly

[smoky anvil]

No i was looking in the keybinds and it said ssg and sg were different so i was like wtf

But i was wrong it works as normal

I broke my hud tho

[vale gyro]

what do you mean broke it?

[smoky anvil]

I pressed f5 to see the options i had and the normal one is gone lol

[vale gyro]

yeah just hit it a few times

[smoky anvil]

I did lol

[vale gyro]

in that case, just hit the - key a few times

[smoky anvil]

That worked, thank you

[woven swallow]

prboom is good and all, but it doesn't support mbf21

[woven swallow]

i installed nyan doom just now, pretty good sourceport

[oblique plaza]

what are 3 key things u would like to have fixed? for me

better compatibility for Obliterator + Voyage Infernal D1+2 mods,

better optimization for GZDoom so that it can run all slaughter maps smoothly,

correct perspective in GZDoom software renderer (when looking up and down)

[oblique plaza]

(or at least mod/argument for reducing monster counts in heavy slaughter maps, for deleting say half or 3/4 or 4/5 the monsters that are not essential for map progression)

[tawny swan]

isnt the whole point of there being a seperate renderer for looking up and down is because the doom software one just doesnt support it properly

[oblique plaza]

those renderers look/behave differently than the otherwise perfect software one tho

[vast reef]

but i cant play abortm on prboom!!!!

[wild cliff]

am I the only one whose game crashes when opening the automap in doom + doom 2

[marsh whale]

NO

Whenever I play TNT EVILUTION but ONLY TNT EVILUTION and i use the automap my game crashes.

Hey how many people here have beat plutonia?

[marsh whale]

damn

I just beat it on hurt me plenty

[smoky anvil]

Me

[marsh whale]

nice

[smoky anvil]

Theres a pretty big jump in difficulty going from hmp to uv

[vale gyro]

For the final point, that probably won't be possible, sadly.

software is just incapable of doing stuff like that

the closest you could get is probably DSDA-Doom's hardware renderer, or mods that change the lighting in GZDoom and use it's hardware renderer

Well, I found my new port to take screenshots with once the update for it comes out

Nyan Doom

I just haven't tried Plutonia in general

just can't get myself to play it honestly

[marsh whale]

absolutely

i'm doing tnt right now

some of the levels are just terrible

Habitat, Quarry, Prison and a couple more in my opinion

I definitely enjoyed plutonia more than tnt despite plutonia's massive amounts of enemies

I bet there are more Revenants in plutonia than Imps

[vale gyro]

I get bored of Plutonia very quickly

[smoky anvil]

i think there are

[vale gyro]

had more fun with TNT tbh

[smoky anvil]

plutonia's only redeeming factor was that it was designed to be hard as fuck, without that theres not much reason to play it

[wild cliff]

I was on e1m8 on doom 2 with a friend, and pressed tab to open my map, and then crash

[wild cliff]

I think it was e1m8

[vale gyro]

Far from it

it's a known issue with the KEX port

[marsh whale]

It happens every time I play tnt

[vale gyro]

I wish I could just tell you how to fix it, but to my knowledge there is none

all you really can do is either switch ports (if on PC), try to figure out how to fix the issue, or ignore the automap

[marsh whale]

yeah but the KEX port is my favourite and where I have all my main save files

[vale gyro]

so yeah, you only got 2 options left

one might not even be possible, the other is annoying as shit

and the update cycle for this port is even slower than DSDA-Doom's

[marsh whale]

I do have 9 other ports to play but I usually use them for modding

It's not even really a big deal

What is your favourite source port?

[vale gyro]

Nyan Doom atm

though my previous favorite is Nugget Doom

[marsh whale]

I like crispy doom and Woof

[vale gyro]

you'd probably like Nugget, then

it's a fork of Woof

though, saves won't transfer over

so if you wish to switch to it, I suggest doing it when you have no current runs

[marsh whale]

I'm not gonna switch ports

[twin mortar]

BFG Edition PC is very obviously the best port

[marsh whale]

I'm gonna stay on the KEX port

[marsh whale]

YOU WHAT!?

[twin mortar]

I wonder how they fucked it up so badly

The Xbox 360 port is probably my favorite though tbh

[marsh whale]

the only good thing about the bfg edition is no rest for the living

but you can get that everywhere now

[finite crag]

Is Doom I+II worse than the 3DO and Saturn ports?

[vale gyro]

honestly, now that you mention it, idek

[azure nimbus]

No

[finite crag]

Saturn is borderline-unplayable

[surreal portal]

def an odd take
TNT after the first few maps just drops like a shot put in quality

[finite crag]

Sub-10 framerate. And 3D0 port is playable, but only on small screen

[surreal portal]

giant ass open maps with chaingun fodder out the ass

[finite crag]

Yeah its an odd take.

Which I also share

[surreal portal]

the only bright spots after the initial maps are when you bump into a Casali map

[finite crag]

I don't like Plutonia very much, but I enjoyed TNT more. Tho TNT has sour spots that I cannot defend

[surreal portal]

"oh goodness, someone who actually knows how to use monsters"

[surreal portal]

Administration Center

[finite crag]

Good lord

Tho worst was Central Processing.
A lot of people mention Habitat but honestly? That just feels like a dead horse at this point.

Id rather play habitat fifteen times in a row than play Hunted again.

Habitat is like DOOM's 'The Room'. So poorly made and self-serious that it is funny.

But Central Processing was worst imo, because it seems like effort was put into it but it was misplaced gravely. How was i supposed to find that exit?

[icy umbra]

wait The Room is a mod, no?

[finite crag]

yeah myhouse.wad lol

Tho I think you know what I'm referring to when I say 'The Room'

https://tenor.com/view/tommy-wiseau-haimark-the-room-gif-13081919

[surreal portal]

King meant Tommy Wiseau's The Room

[finite crag]

Yeah

[icy umbra]

ummm....might know

[finite crag]

That's Habitat. And Habitat is at least mercifully short...

With some TNT levels I was just praying that it would just END.

[icy umbra]

gonna go sleep now, gn

[finite crag]

Tho the worst doom map is neither in TNT or Plutonia. I may have TNT maps like Administrative Center on my 'Never again' list. I may loathe Hunted and The Omen... but the worst for me was Teeth.wad from the Master Levels.

But yeah, back to the main point... I prefer TNT over Plutonia. I somehow enjoy it more.

And g'night LVRH

[finite crag]

I gotta say, I might have enjoyed TNT more because I had higher expectations when playing Plutonia

I remember Plutonia having more agitating encounters for me, but I also have some skill issues. Tho Pluto feels a bit more trial-and-error'ish

[surreal portal]

yeah, altho you get that the WAD knows how to actually use monsters

TNT aside from a few maps felt like that aside from low tier floods, it didnt really know how to use the mid to high tier monsters

you had archviles just... there

1-3 revenants where you have a football field and a half to dodge their fire

[finite crag]

I never really paid attention to that part, honestly. I tend to be a bit superficial with how I feel about monster placements

[surreal portal]

it adds on to TNT feeling like a slog
plus it suffering from sorta blowing its load too early with stuff like Wormhole

Metal

i dont know who the hell thought the entire 2nd half of that map was a good idea

[finite crag]

I felt more slogged and feeling like 'I'm forcing myself to beat this' when playing Plutonia

Tho yeah Metal was one of the first levels on TNT where I thought 'hmm... this is showing some stains.'

[surreal portal]

like uh... cool you made a giant elevator

doing the same giant run for the third time in a row in the same room

all while you get chipped at by chaingunners and shotgunners

[finite crag]

Also, Baron's den. That one was awful, and that I got all secrets there was pure luck since I got very lost. Also, an important key behind an invisible wall in some cave... why

I don't remember Metal much. I gotta be honest, a lot of Classic Doom levels blend together for me. I just cannot do S-tier/A-tiers for that reason. Not a bad thing since I enjoy most levels, if a level isn't boring, annoying or both, I'm good

[surreal portal]

https://doomwiki.org/w/images/2/23/TNT_MAP08_map.png

its map might jog your memory

that room

[finite crag]

I'll have to beat each individual level more often in order to get a better grip on distinguishing them, but if I can distinguish a map easily, it means the map has something very distinct about it for better or worse

[finite crag]

I might replay this level one day. Or not.

For example, one level I remember very well after beating it only once, was express elevator to hell. Not the best elevator experience.

[surreal portal]

Metal stands out for its giant ass staircase at the end

which you can see there

[finite crag]

I see it but for some reason my memory just says 'nope'
I might replay this one day. I got a bit of a backlog lol, Quake stuff to finish. But I have nothing against replaying levels

[surreal portal]

and the level after...

[finite crag]

Stronghold. All I remember is me writing a negative comment on it lol

[surreal portal]

45 zombiemen
97 shotgunners
68 chaingunners
86 imps
1 pinkie

[finite crag]

I documented my TNT journey back in February in order to not lose my train of thought etc

[surreal portal]

hitscan hell in corridor after corridor

heaven forbid you're on -fast or Nightmare

[finite crag]

Oh yeah hitscanners overload is never a good time

[surreal portal]

Plutonia helps that overall its levels were medium to small size

so many spots in TNT are just too big

either making it annoying to get around, or any projectile using enemies get neutered badly because you have all the space in the world

[finite crag]

I never felt too bothered by very open areas. My biggest pet peeves that can happen are: hitscanners overkill, and obtuse progression

Tho some open areas can have an obtuse sense to them for sure

[surreal portal]

its more using monsters badly in said open areas

a smattering of hell knights or revenants in a giant area? What are you even doing

you might as well have not put them there with how little of a threat they'd be

[finite crag]

I see what you mean.

On one hand I like circle-strafing in an open area and asserting dominance (just a thing I like to do) but on the other hand I understand what you are saying

[surreal portal]

yeah, lots of places in TNT just feel like the map maker just doesnt know how to use a monster
archie suffers big from this

[finite crag]

I am also perfectly fine with big mooks in smaller quarters at times. My favorite classic doom is DOOM 64, for example

[surreal portal]

yeah, it's knowing when to use

like Mancubi in multiples work good in greater areas due to their shot pattern

arachnotrons forcing you to keep on the move and not retrace

but a couple revenants in a giant open plain with no support is just terrible

also smart usage of pinkys to box in the player if they arent paying attention

Like that room in Tricks and Traps

[true current]

Bethnet ain't workin?

[vale gyro]

probably not

someone was complaining about it a while ago

[finite crag]

hello, in case you are brazilian 🇧🇷 who likes to play coop and other boomer shooters, DM me and let's be friends

[smoky anvil]

Wheres a good place to get wads from?

[vale gyro]

idGames and Doomworld threads

probably the two best places

[smoky anvil]

Sweet, thank you

I looked on doomworld a bit and i couldnt really find a lot of my favorites

[surreal portal]

because doomworld is mainly a place for "standard" doom stuff

if you want the crazier things, those tend to be on zdoom forums

[vale gyro]

yeah

[surreal portal]

Golden Souls etc

[vale gyro]

though there are a good chunk of GZDoom mods n' such on Doomworld

just a lower amount

[smoky anvil]

I saw a few gzdoom things on there

[vale gyro]

and a generally lower amount of them on idGames

[surreal portal]

yeah, but it just aint the main hub for em
Doomworld is an old place, its mainly biased toward stuff from vanilla to plain Limit Removing maps

same for idGames

[vale gyro]

basically anything from vanilla to MBF21

and soon MBF25 more than likely

[smoky anvil]

I know zdoom has been discontinued for a while but was it a good port?

[vale gyro]

can't say tbh

some people still use it, though

similar to why some people still use PrBoom+

[smoky anvil]

Ah

[surreal portal]

you also have odd cases like lilith.pk3

where it was made to only work in a specific version of zdoom

exploiting every single bug in that version to its fullest extent to deliver the intendted experience

[lyric hinge]

It was a pretty good mod, I felt like the doom guy

[smoky anvil]

Finally got some good wads downloaded

Starting off of simple with things like btsx ep 1 and 2, sunlust, valiant and scythe

[vale gyro]

y'should play Overboard if you haven't

I can also just go through my own list of WADs I have downloaded and try to find something, too

[marsh whale]

I just logged on to my pc and opened discord and I am met with my worst nightmares

[onyx shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-gif-25164052

[noble fractal]

The KEX port seems weirdly broken to me

Maybe the PS4 has an upper limit on how many files the game can download because I just can't install new WADs anymore

Strangely enough I get the same problem with the Quake port. It won't let me install new mods either

[marsh whale]

do you play on PS4?

I know that the console versions are a bit weird and broken

[surreal portal]

the big 2 texture room is the stuff of anyone's DOOM nightmares

Moreso than revenant hordes

[median cloud]

Anyone know a good classic doom wad that maybe expands on the original doom 2?

Like a doom 2 in name only type of deal

[marsh whale]

Do you mean like official doom wads?

[median cloud]

nono I mean custom mappacks in the spirit of the original doom 2 mappack

[marsh whale]

oh

actually I do have something

Anomaly Report

It's a bit like doom 2 and it's fun

[surreal portal]

i mean, that's literally what both "the way ID did it" megawads for Doom 1 and 2 are for

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Doom_2_the_Way_id_Did
https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Doom_the_Way_id_Did

literally exactly what you're looking for

[median cloud]

do they use custom music?

[surreal portal]

no

also if you're looking for an actual continuation of sorts

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/The_Long_Trek_Back_Home

basically Doom 2 in reverse through ruined versions of the original maps

[median cloud]

this looks great

how do you rate the mappack yourself?

[pine violet]

Thinking of giving Classic DOOM some sort of codex which will have enemy stats, strategies and lore and was also thinking of making it some sort of in universe thing I thought of two possibilities to make it diagetic, One, excerpts from a volume of the Necronomicon Ex Mortis documenting the various demons and the possessed seen throughout the game albeit with most information about the possessed being omitted cause this was written before the invention of guns, Two, lab notes and reports from the UAC studying the demons and possessed, Three, a combination of both so like excerpts from the Necronomicon with annotations from the UAC based on their research

What do you all think?

[mortal silo]

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/132593-abscission-dark-atmospheric-doom-ii-megawad-32-vanilla-maps-now-on-idgames/

Maybe the best vanilla Doom 2 megawad

[cloud violet]

i beat doom 1 on doom 1 + doom 2 but didnt get achievement what do

[twin mortar]

Did you beat Episode 4 too?

[cloud violet]

the thing about that is that no rest for the living has its own achievement

[twin mortar]

How are those two related exactly

[cloud violet]

oh fuck I forgot the fourth ep isn't no rest for the living, my bad

[smoky anvil]

You gotta do all 4 episodes of doom 1 lol

[twin mortar]

Yup, good luck and have fun

[cloud violet]

yeah I just assumed I beat it because beating the mastermind and seeing the ending just takes you back to the menu lmao

[twin mortar]

Was the level you finished E3M8 or E4M8?

[cedar yacht]

Hi guys!

Does anyone know if there is a way to check the difficulty of a saving?

I use woof as port

[vale gyro]

sadly not

[azure nimbus]

It's kinda scuffed but you can load in to your save and check the monster count. Does it align with that monster count if you were to load in with -warp # -skill (difficulty level you think it is)?

[cedar yacht]

Does ultra violence has more monsters than hmp?

[halcyon willow]

If it's a well enough known map then the monster count for each difficulty will be on the doom wiki

[azure nimbus]

If yes and its HMP, you're done. If yes and it's UV or NM, see if the monsters are -fast and -respawning. If yes and it's either ITYTD or HNTR, get hit by some enemies. Damage is halved on ITYTD

[cedar yacht]

Yeahh it's scythe 2

[azure nimbus]

Scythe 2 is super well known

[halcyon willow]

Oh yeah Scythe 2 should be easy enough to figure out

[cedar yacht]

Yeah ik

[halcyon willow]

What's the issue you're trying to solve?

[cedar yacht]

I had this scythe 2 saving and I don't remember if it was in uv or not

[cedar yacht]

Thanks btw 🙏

[azure nimbus]

Traditionally, ITYTD and HNTR have the same spawns. UV and NM have the same spawns as each other too. But in modern maps, those limitations are not always present. Scythe 2 being around 2 decades old at this point is running the classics

[cedar yacht]

I've checked the monsters and it was uv

Thanks guys 🙏

[smoky anvil]

Whats everyones top 3 wads

[vale gyro]

Overboard
Overboard Escape From Slime City
Tangerine Nightmare
Arceon

I know you asked for 3, but you get 4

[smoky anvil]

Tangerine nightmare is good as hell, i need to make a dedicated playthrough for it

[umbral shale]

Legacy of Rust
Doom zero
No rest for the lving

(Assuming you count official expansions)

[smoky anvil]

Ive played doom zero and no rest for the living both are very good, i gotta finish up legacy of rust tho

[onyx shore]

Do you have to use Gzdoom to play some doom wads?

Or can you upload in the mods section for Steam relreease and have it work all the time?

[vast reef]

yes

[vast reef]

no

i dont even think the rerelease supports boom or mbf, no?

[onyx shore]

Not sure

Just started original Doom with the release biascally

[smoky anvil]

There are some wads made for gzdoom but no you arent forced to use it

[vast reef]

you are forced if you want to play those wads lol

[smoky anvil]

Oh shit lol im dumb 😂

[vast reef]

its fine lol

[smoky anvil]

I cant read, i thought he said he needed gzdoom to play wads period 😂

[onyx shore]

I am new herew

So what do I do to play doom the way id did and doom 2 the day wid did?

[smoky anvil]

If u cannot find it in the mod list on the doom1+2 port then you may need to use a different port

[onyx shore]

@smoky anvil Yes I was going to try Gz doom first because I tried uploading it as a mod and got an error message

[fervent coral]

I played doom in school and my teacher thought I made it💀

[thorn jungle]

in #screenshots

why is the door stuck

oh nvm it was in the stupid caco room

[woven swallow]

what are the complevels for heretic and hexen for dsda doom?

[halcyon willow]

Can dsda even run hexen/heretic?

[twin mortar]

Yes

[halcyon willow]

Interesting

[smoky anvil]

what a time to be alive lol

[halcyon willow]

Science said it couldn't be done

[smoky anvil]

The hell levels of Scythe dont hold back lol

The start of map 23 doesnt fuck around

[halcyon willow]

Scythe does get spicy

Scythe 2 even more so

[zealous galleon]

Yo guys I got a good joke

[smoky anvil]

Lets hear it

[zealous galleon]

You guys know CaseOh right

[smoky anvil]

Yes

[zealous galleon]

Ok This is case in doom

Dang it no images

It is the mancubis

[smoky anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/mancubus-dance-skibi-di-dop-dop-dop-yes-yes-skibi-di-demon-gif-15663105148151363548

CaseOh in doom

[zealous galleon]

He is too big

He is the realm of hell

He exists outside of time and space

[smoky anvil]

God made a 2nd universe just so caseoh could fit

[smoky anvil]

Scythe map 26 is awesome

[zealous galleon]

Lol

[smoky anvil]

Scythe map 28 is shit

Cool concept but not fun to play

[azure nimbus]

It isn't perfectly demo compat but it will run boom and mbf

[vast reef]

oh thats awesome

[dull pasture]

thoes grab mod exist

[jade ether]

how do i use gz doom to play multiplayer with my friends. I have a bunch of pk3 files that zandronum doesnt like, but we really want to play them........

i dunno how to enable port forwarding, how to port forward

etc.. etc...

can someone plz dm me and help me out. ive spent around 4 hrs straight at this point tryin to figure this crap out

[woven swallow]

can you at least tell me what complevel to use?

[vale gyro]

No complevel. It will automatically be set.
If there's an issue, you can force it with -hexen and -heretic respectively.

[halcyon willow]

Short answer is you don't. Gzdoom currently is terrible for multi-player

Fortunately there is a massive net code improvement coming

[thorn jungle]

having trouble with MAP09 The Pit on UV

[woven swallow]

https://youtu.be/mzfT513NVjk?list=PLR2vpfke_UnCcn0aDEyzKTvzic07Vp70y

[fervent coral]

To small

[thorn jungle]

the question asked for the 1 millionth time:

what do you think are the worst levels in doom 2

i'll start: Maps 9, 12, 13, 25. 26, and 29

[thorn jungle]

hot take: Map 15 and 28 are my favorite maps

[jade ether]

Where would i check to see when it is released

Anywhere for updates on its current state

[jade ether]

My main question tho is how do know? (Im not questioning u or anything like that, im curious where i can look for myself and read more details about it)

[zealous galleon]

Is it wierd that I like playing Doom on my phone

[thorn jungle]

no it isn't

first time i played doom i tried a mobile port

that port sucked because i couldn't name my saves, which softlocked me

so i deleted the port and played the pc one

....on a website

[zealous galleon]

My friends think it's wierd

[thorn jungle]

what do they say

[zealous galleon]

But who cares what they think

[thorn jungle]

yeah, as long as you're enjoying, my guy

also i think it's a big achievement if you actually get good at it

you'll unlock bragging rights

[zealous galleon]

They say literally why

[thorn jungle]

do they themselves plsy doom?

[zealous galleon]

What does that mean

Plsy

Like... plsy what does that mean

[smoky anvil]

He meant play

[woven swallow]

any sourceport recommendations?

[lunar rune]

3, 5, 7, 12, 13, 21, 23, 30

[twin mortar]

Nobody is voting 29

[thorn jungle]

maybe it was just skill issue

maybe i was just really confused with the layout of the entire place, and i was really annoyed with the sniping revenants

i kid you not i struggled with Map 29 all because of those stupid skeletons

[finite crag]

El chasmo

Also, the Citadel. An obtuse mess

[smoky anvil]

The citadel isnt bad once you figure out the map, but yea still shit

[marsh whale]

13, 16, 21, 24

[marsh whale]

I still don't know how to get all the keys in the citadel

[halcyon willow]

I work with the people doing the work. We had a test run a couple weeks ago with 13 people playing Sunder on GZdoom multiplayer.

It originated from VKDoom development, which is being made for Disdain

[halcyon willow]

It'll be announced as part of the standard patch notes when it's in the latest GZDoom version. Possibly 4.15? But don't quote me on that

[cedar yacht]

Just saying but using a few saves chillax is not that hard

[fervent coral]

how do i play doom on any calculator ???

ah i understand it now

[vale gyro]

What are you looking for exactly?

[halcyon willow]

There are maps in Chillax that are impossible to complete without respawning ammo (because it's a badly made wad)

Even on coop though it's boring

If you want somethign actually hard and well put together for coop, Dark Tartarus is the king imo

[thorn jungle]

i literally skipped the blue key after i learned you can beat the map with just two keys

like they should have made it like E2M6 if they wanted all keys exit

[cedar yacht]

I've tried map 38 till now

And I regret what I said

It is impossible

I've seen a video of a guy which did it in 11 minute and I still can't figure out how he did. I advanced thought the map but certain parts are just ridiculous

Oh and the level design is just ass

[cedar yacht]

I'll try it with a friend, thanks!

[halcyon willow]

Either TAS or with respawning ammo

[halcyon willow]

It's Zandronum only (uses a lot of ACS scripting for shenanigans)

But yeah, Dark Tartarus is super fun

Chillax is also full of stolen maps

[cedar yacht]

What does tas mean?

[halcyon willow]

Tool assisted speedrun

[cedar yacht]

I'll def try it

[cedar yacht]

What does it do?

[cedar yacht]

Yeah I know...

[halcyon willow]

Depends on the game, it's essentially cheating. Typical TAS for doom is always SR50, slow mode (essentially bullet time), the ability to manipulate RNG and indiviudal frames. Oh and stitch together segments into one demo

Good TAS runs are legitmately skillful, Zeromaster has some insane stuff

[cedar yacht]

The video is Chillax map 38 in 11:04 [TAS], could you please check it? I really want to understand what exactly the guy used

[halcyon willow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTE9HlFZMZI

[cedar yacht]

I went crazy over the map and just now I've discovered he was somehow cheating... Damn

https://youtu.be/V10hSerTRIw?si=O9c3o0DQxI0XNpsu

[halcyon willow]

It's probably standard TAS stuff. You can't tell just by watching though

[cedar yacht]

What's the hardest wad you would recommend?

Something that you can complete without tas

And in single player

[halcyon willow]

Sunder, Sunlust, Bastion of Chaos, Entropy, Abandon are all iconic slaughter map sets

All cacoward winners

Sunder is the grand daddy of them all

OH

Deus Vult

That's the great grand daddy

[smoky anvil]

Sunlust is a slaughter wad?

[halcyon willow]

Slaughterish

God Machine definitely is

It's more in the 'combat puzzle' realm but the latter maps definitely have a vibe of slaughter

Map 18 is where the switch starts to flip

Slaughter isn't just about scale, as shown by the Micro Slaughter Community Project

[smoky anvil]

I always thought of it as plutonia on steroids, plus some slaughter maps mixed in

And true yea

[halcyon willow]

Sunlust is a blend of styles

All good stuff though, and a must play for people looking for high quality difficult mapsets

[smoky anvil]

Absolutely, one of my top 5

The difficulty can be brutal even on hmp but the quality in each map makes up for it

[halcyon willow]

Playing Sunlust on continuous is a good way to take the edge off the difficulty

[smoky anvil]

Thats how i played through the first time, working on a pistol start run

[halcyon willow]

Map 29 pistol start

[smoky anvil]

Dreading it

[halcyon willow]

Oh, Haste was another good example of smaller scale slaughterish maps

Very well put together too. Top notch mapper list

[smoky anvil]

I gotta try it soon, i love small scale slaughter maps

[halcyon willow]

Haste is excellent

Yeah the big Sunderesque slaughter maps can get a bit tiring lol

My first play through of map 16 was 6 hours

Map 19 took 8

[smoky anvil]

Yea i saw the enemy count in the later sunder levels when i was just checking them out and i was blown away lol

I gotta see if prboom can run those levels without slowing down too much

[halcyon willow]

There's definitely soem chewy sightlines, especially in map 15. But they run fine enough

The custom REJECT tables help a lot with prboom

I played them on GZDoom with minimal problems

[smoky anvil]

I remember i ran them on the doom1+2 port and some of the levels were a bit choppy

[surreal portal]

that's TAS in general

You cant even exactly call it cheating because the point isnt to compete with actual person records

the point is to show just how far in part you can break the game

and some TAS tricks do actually get used in real runs

because they were discovered with TAS in the first place and some turn out to actually be human doable

stuff like SMB3 runs have been improved due to said TAS tricks

[azure nimbus]

It literally says in the title that it's TAS and so does the title of the channel. They're upfront about what it is. Like if someone uses a rocket to dunk a basket, that's not cheating. It's just showing something cool, or idk, knowledge of physics

[surreal portal]

hell, even DOOM tas runs showcased things like void glides

Then Zero Master straight up pulled a real one off

[cedar yacht]

I didn't know what a TAS was

[cedar yacht]

Thank you!

[thorn jungle]

map 09 is really stupid

#videos

explanation on why i was stupid while playing:

at 2:25 of Part 1, i sustained my very first high damage roll from a mancubus, because i was distracted by the fact the imp was still alive—you can see me hover my crosshair over him

at 1:30 of Part 2, i forgot to switch to the bfg, wasting one rocket while eating buckshot. after i fired my bfg on the chaingunners and lost souls, i realized too late that it was a waste to use it a second time for the stragglers, but couldn't switch because i was getting chaingunned

[thorn jungle]

at 2:57 of Part 3, i didn't want to go to the exit yet, because i was low on health and armor. there was a conflict in my mind, but i ultimately gambled for that megaarmor and health. it was a bad gamble.

at 3:37 of Part 3, i decided to conserve ammo (and got really overconfident) and switched to my bezerked fist to fight a lost soul. i was very unlucky, so i got low damage punches on the soul, while he bit hard, putting my 73% health to 49%. it didn't help that i was so bad at landing punches that more lost souls zeroed into my position, so once i killed that bastard, i just chaingunned the others

and then Part 4 is self explanatory

i really hate that stairs section and i still don't know how to beat it, it's a really big gamble:

megaarmor, or death?

[celest canopy]

why is doom 2 map9 so hard

[thorn jungle]

probably because it was badly designed with bad traps (especially the nukage tunnel and the stair area) and enemy placement

on UV and Nightmare it has 10 pain elementals

[celest canopy]

im playing UV

[finite quail]

The master levels for Doom II has some of the most confusing levels

Too cryptic

Black tower sucks but the map is really cool

[half niche]

pistol starting that map on uv was so ass, there's just not enough ammo to deal with everything

[thorn jungle]

it gives you a megaarmor, sure, but only a stupid pistol and a 4 shell shotgun won't kill all the shotgunners and imps

and on top of all that, there's zombiemen harassing you from the other platforms, but you won't have enough bullets to deal with them

[fervent coral]

hey does anyone know how to make a doom map i dont have the 64 bit version of Gz doom tho

i only got zdoom

[celest canopy]

I finally beat it

[marsh whale]

It's easy bro

[celest canopy]

i always start with only pistol

[marsh whale]

ahh

nah I bet I could do that

what difficulty?

[woven swallow]

use ultimate doom builder

https://ultimatedoombuilder.github.io/

you should also download slade3

https://slade.mancubus.net/index.php?page=downloads

download both

[woven swallow]

ultra violence like always

[woven swallow]

i like it :D

[halcyon willow]

FYI Doom 2 is balanced for continuous play

Obviously you can pistol start if you so desire, but that'll be why you have no ammo

[celest canopy]

im just bad at the game

[finite crag]

Pistol start🥱

[fervent coral]

tnks

[smoky anvil]

If u think map09 is hard with pistol start on uv try map 23

[marsh whale]

you don't even have to tell me about that

you're bringing back my nightmares

[twin mortar]

Pistol start M30 hardest

[finite crag]

yeah that's how I feel about it 2

Worst is teeth.wad imo

[smoky anvil]

The icon of sin fight?

[twin mortar]

Yes

[smoky anvil]

That one is easier than map 23 by a lot

Also scythe map 29 is a fuckin slog to get through

[median cloud]

yeh barrels o fun is the hardest doom 2 map to pistol start

unless ur terrible at icon of sin timing qq

[mighty anvil]

i just finished doom ii master levels

most levels were fun

[mighty anvil]

its good

one of best in master lvbels

also i have played doom 2 for 52 hours wtf

[finite quail]

What??? Bro the map is just too cryptic I think but I think there are worse levels in the master levels

There are so many enemies which I won’t complain about that part is fun

[hoary cypress]

classic doom will live on

[finite quail]

Facts

I still haven’t played the modern ones but I will soon

I got Doom 2016 on my switch

[finite crag]

noice

Yeah I liked a lot of levels too.
I hated teeth.wad/Express Elevator to Hell the most, that one was horrendous

[smoky anvil]

Thats cute, if you arent playing on nightmare only using the fist then you better just turn in your man card now lol

You must like playing on easy mode huh, i edit the game files so i only deal 1 damage

And i start every level with 1% health

Im messing around lol

[thorn jungle]

nah Map 30 actually gives you every weapon and powerup in the game (except partial invisibility) (invulns only on ITYTD and HNTR)

it also gives you a lot of ammo so you're good with all the enemies

[azure nimbus]

probably a joke

[smoky anvil]

Play sunder on nightmare fist only

[vast reef]

play profane promiseland pacifist

[surreal portal]

also last i checked Doom 2 was built around pistol starting, 1 as well

Quake however was not

[tulip cape]

Ofc it wasn’t. "Quake" doesn’t have a pistol.

Shotgun start’s the equivalent.

[surreal portal]

no crap
but yeah you notably cannot "UV-Max" any map in quake via fresh map spawn

most you can

but even among those they turn into slogs

others require monster infighting and other tricks, and others more straight up are impossible

[ruby sparrow]

i like the idea of the map

but its execution is shit

i had ammo issue with it the most

otherwise it would still be fun imo

btw

im not nostalgic or anything (i was born in 2008) but i enjoyed doom ii and doom 1993 literally more than doom 2016

doom eternal is superior though

[fervent coral]

I've had the idea for a doom map but I don't have the specs to run doom builder :(

[vale gyro]

not even Doom Builder X?

well, at worst you could probably make maps in Slade

despite how cumbersome it's editor is

[fervent coral]

Idk

I'll prob give it a go

I was trying ultimate doom builder so :P

[vale gyro]

DBX works just fine still

[fervent coral]

I'll try Slade now

[vale gyro]

just don't expect to make GZDoom maps or anything in DBX

[fervent coral]

Does it support below open gl 3

[vale gyro]

not sure tbh

[fervent coral]

My gpu isn't supported for updates any more :(

[vale gyro]

it was released in 2017

[fervent coral]

Prob den

[vale gyro]

also, I deeply suggest getting an upgrade if your financial situation allows for it

assuming you're in the US, you can get at least usable systems for sub-500

nothing powerful by any means

[fervent coral]

I'm on laptop so I'd have to spend like 400

[vale gyro]

but at least it contains somewhat modern hardware

[fervent coral]

For a 3060 or smthn

Yeah tru

[vale gyro]

I suggest saving up for a better system than sub-500, though

[fervent coral]

I'll try downloading slade

[vale gyro]

hopefully it should work

and it's one of the tools you'll need for mapping anyways

by the way, if you're making in a vanilla/boom/mbf format, I'll try the map out

[fervent coral]

Bro wtf

The UI is fucking abysmal

[vale gyro]

yeah

Slade is not made for mapping

it's primary purpose is to edit WADs and pk3s

it has a map editor if you absolutely need it

[fervent coral]

Oh so like makeing cracked doom wads or smthn

[vale gyro]

Cracked?

[fervent coral]

Idk like giveing you bfg on the first map

[vale gyro]

well, you can put a bfg on any map as long as you use a map editor

but WAD editing is another thing

like embedding custom textures, scripts (if using a source port that supports such), dehacked patches, etc.

so basically just adding in lumps (each section of a WAD archive, kinda)

for example, UMAPINFO, which can dictate certain things about a map

also you'd embed custom music with Slade

[fervent coral]

Cool tha

I'll try just messing around with a wad or something

[woven swallow]

I'm looking for an obscure and underappreciated sourceports that is playable and works on Windows (or DOSBox). Please don't recommend the following, as I already have them:

DSDA-Doom
PrBoom-Plus
Woof
Nyan-Doom
Nugget-Doom
Umapinfo
Eternity Engine
PrBoomX
Inter-Doom
Odamex
Doom Retro
Chocolate Doom
Crispy Doom
Cherry Doom
Cry
GZDoom
ZDoom
LZDoom
Zandronum
Any recommendations beyond this list?

sorry for the late reply i didn't see it until now

[vale gyro]

Helion, maybe?

Not really a source port, though

as it's in a completely different language

[finite crag]

Vavoom

[vast reef]

from doom with love

[twin mortar]

It was a joke my man

^

[young escarp]

Hey, I'm looking for people to play wads on doom + doom 2, particularly sigil shreds

[heavy lark]

hey. im trying to complete all of the stuff in doom and the last thing i gotta complete is legacy of rust. Can someone give me a heads up on how hard its gonna be?

[smoky anvil]

Supposed to be pretty tough

[heavy lark]

apparetly chat gpt says the plutonia experiment is the hardest

i've played like 3 levels or 2 in the legacy of rust

and i gotta say that i very much disagree with it

i think im gonna have literal hell waiting for me

cause the impressions its given me so far are making me wanna shit my pants

[finite crag]

plutonia has a cheap difficulty

[heavy lark]

i felt like plutonia's difficulty was over exagerated

i barely had to search up the exits

like once or twice maybe

[undone oriole]

M O R E R E V E N A N T S

[finite crag]

yeah plutonia loves to open monster closets full of chaingunners and call it difficult

[heavy lark]

arch vile maze😭

[heavy lark]

ye. The puzzles were pretty easy tbh

not too hard

[finite crag]

tho legacy of rust becomes almost a slaughter map at the last levels

[heavy lark]

oh god...

well cant wait for that ig

atleast i get to use the super shotgun

[undone oriole]

Plutonia on UV+ is so hard tho

[finite crag]

but its rather easy because of the destroyer blade

[heavy lark]

unlike in no rest for the living and sigil

[finite crag]

I mean calamity blade*

[heavy lark]

ye i got to test the new weapons and they seem pretty good

but i havent ogtten to a map were there are new weapons

[finite crag]

the incinerator is garbage tho

awful replacement for the plasma rifle

[heavy lark]

i think its pretty cool

i mean both are cool imo

[tired furnace]

heloooooooo ihiiiiiiii i need someone to test my wad because my friend keeps forgoringgggggggg

[finite crag]

one of my least favorite levels fr

Plutonia is definitely the official entry that feels the most overrated to me

[fervent coral]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-what-i-dont-understand-whats-going-on%3F-question-mark-face-english-gif-5524518684131899531

what engine was doom made in

[halcyon willow]

idtech 1

[smoky anvil]

I think map 30 of scythe will be the death of my run

Holy fucking shit this level is crazy

I see why decino hasnt played this on his channel

[hoary cypress]

Surprised classic doom have been around For so long.

Well I just find wolfenshin 3d to be not a lot of things happening.

[smoky anvil]

Classic doom will never die

[fervent coral]

bro iv lost on 21 way to many times 😭