classic-doom

[vestal crown]

TNT played around with voodoo dolls a lot and while there were some neat applications actually (such as using them to pick up weapons outside of the play area), "make the player telefrag themselves without warning" is genuinely fucking evil lmao

[lunar rune]

To run Final DOOM we're going to need..

• 486 processor running at minimum 50Mhz
• 8 mb of RAM
• 256 colour video adapter
• Microsoft Windows 95

[lunar rune]

That's true, it's an insane gimmick like I said earlier😭

[vestal crown]

I mean do you technically even need Windows

I'm sure you could load the IWAD in DOS Doom with a little batchfile trickery

[lunar rune]

No idea, that's what the manual says

[vestal crown]

Initial release date: 1996Oh, huh, it DID release that late. For some reason I had it in my mind that Final Doom was like '94

All the same I don't think Final Doom does anything fancy enough to require sourceports or win95 features or anything

Though having said that now I kinda wonder if DOS era rigs would get frame lag on Go 2 It lmfao

[coarse igloo]

its still episodes, but yes, continous play format, no forced pistol start^^
but the maps are all still pistol start compatible

2nd episode begins with the city levels (from level 12 to 20) 3rd episode is hell levels from 21 to 30

dos is faster than 95. I totally wouldve tried to run in dos.

I didnt like it for the 1st time. I wouldve preferred a boss monster over shooting a wall texture xD

[neon drift]

same that infinite spawn of enemies is so annoying

i was actually expecting plutonia to end with u having to fight all the monster bosses at the same time

[coarse igloo]

Or an entire new boss. Even a recolor with changed attack wouldve been better 😄

Valiant has a more interesting boss fight and its not icon of sin

[vapid vine]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-slayer-cacodemon-demon-cute-gif-7070685866677885551

[vale gyro]

But it’s not episodic, it’s a straight 32 maps

[azure nimbus]

Fiinal doom absolutely runs fine on DoS. Source: I've run it and it works fine

[lunar rune]

Can't believe the manual lied

[lunar rune]

Another thing, a lot of people may not even realise the episodes are supposed to be there

[azure nimbus]

The manual didn't lie. The manual is specifically for doom95(most likely) which well, is for win95

[lunar rune]

Ohh that's fair enough

I was curious to see what was on the manual, so I got it from an archive of it

[void hemlock]

did a dumb thing for no reason
https://youtu.be/tASA-NSmGdk

also no I will never shut up about Doom prerelease stuff

[ashen cape]

Are devs of Doom + Doom II rerelase hang on this discord?
I wonder if they have plans of adding multiplayer support for mods. F.e. being able to co-op for entire megawad would be epic!

[coarse igloo]

you could use the zandronum sourceport

[uncut pendant]

So what exactly are the old stone structures with the statues? Were they created by the demons or the humans?

[cobalt grotto]

Had this ever happened to anyone in doom?

I was playing with my friend and this happened on one of the maps

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1260802745972035655/1314774715390496898/96e6b8ed-87ad-492c-8522-27af6d14a7e0.mov?ex=6754fedf&is=6753ad5f&hm=f53146dc19d3061046705efcf91d2e21ab84c6abb2c708f7a37869efceae4320&

[vale gyro]

HOM on vanilla maps???

Jesus, how broken are the official ports???

[azure nimbus]

Yeah but Hall of Mirrors should only be visual

This is some next level stuff

[cobalt grotto]

I got doom from the doom and doom 2 pack on Xbox incase your wondering

[vale gyro]

the Xbox app or a straight up Xbox?

[cobalt grotto]

Straight up

[vale gyro]

damn, was just gonna tell you to use a community source port

the KEX port is for sure broken as all hell

[cobalt grotto]

I don't know what the Hall of Mirrors is I haven't talked much on this server and I don't play too much doom

So this has happened but this is a rare occurrence

The entire map was weird

[vale gyro]

basically, you see when you look at a wall and everything repeats its self?

that's the Hall Of Mirrors bug

[cobalt grotto]

Yeah

The entire game was weird

[vale gyro]

something's 100% fucked

that's all I can tell

[cobalt grotto]

I could see bodys through walls and the barrels too

[vale gyro]

if you were on PC you'd have the luxury to use community ports like Woof

[cobalt grotto]

I'm sorry but idk what ports are

[vale gyro]

basically people take the source code of the original engine and add new features to it

[cobalt grotto]

Oh

That makes sense

[vale gyro]

and Woof is probably my personal favorite out of all of them

good menus, accurate gameplay & demo compat

good modding compatibility

[azure nimbus]

HoM is a mapping issue where a surface is untextured. But this shouldn't happen in the vanilla maps because yaknow...they were tested. So I think what's happening here is a more specific issue to the version you're on. Though if coder penguin has a better guess I'd go with that

[cobalt grotto]

Oh

[vale gyro]

probably a new update done fucked up the WAD

[azure nimbus]

ports are any version of the game that either attempts to emulate the code or the game broadly that isn't the original DoS release.

[vale gyro]

KEX has always had HOM issues with maps, though

[cobalt grotto]

Or adding the codes of both games could have done something

[vale gyro]

they use practically the same thing

and also all other source ports do that

[azure nimbus]

It's possible that id24 did something funky though

[vale gyro]

like I've seen a map that I know works outside of KEX have major HOM issues

[azure nimbus]

Because all the maps in Doom + Doom2 are running the new id24 engine rather than the usual appropriate comp levels

[vale gyro]

on Day Zero of release

[cobalt grotto]

If HoM is untextured walls then why was the floor lit different and it sucked me in when I walked on it

[azure nimbus]

I don't think it's just hall of mirrors

[vale gyro]

yeah, it isn't

[cobalt grotto]

And same with the hole

[vale gyro]

there are major issues going on

[azure nimbus]

I think there's some other weirdness in here

[vale gyro]

if you got a PC, I suggest getting it on there

[cobalt grotto]

I could shoot through it but it had HoM

[vale gyro]

if you don't, just pray it gets fixed

[cobalt grotto]

My poor laptop would probably explode

[vale gyro]

it wouldn't lol

[azure nimbus]

Even the biggest doom maps are pretty manageable

[vale gyro]

my shitbox of a laptop that can barely run Linux runs Doom perfectly fine

[cobalt grotto]

I'm trynna get enough money for a real PC

[vale gyro]

just use a port that isn't heavy to run

... circling back to Woof

[cobalt grotto]

Wait so what is the problem with my doom?

[vale gyro]

100% an issue with KEX

istfg ever since release it was broken

[cobalt grotto]

I have another video of when it first happened but it's too big for discord

[vale gyro]

Nightdive dropped the ball on the KEX port imo

[cobalt grotto]

I haven't played doom 2 yet

Will it have the same problems or will it work fine?

[vale gyro]

probably have the same issues

[cobalt grotto]

Because they are 2 games compacted into one file

So if one has a problem oops both has it

[vale gyro]

they're not

[cobalt grotto]

2 games just stuck together

[vale gyro]

well, they're accessible through one game

but they're still two separate files

[cobalt grotto]

Yeah

[vale gyro]

DOOM.WAD and DOOM2.WAD

[cobalt grotto]

I haven't played so many doom games

I've only played Eternal and 1993

[vale gyro]

also TNT.WAD, PLUTONIA.WAD, SIGIL.WAD, id1.wad, NERVE.WAD, and also whatever they call the packed WAD for the Master Levels

usually the MLs are several WADs

[azure nimbus]

idk if it's consolation or the opposite, but what happened to you is rare even in the new official release and frankly, I've never heard of in any capacity outside of it

[cobalt grotto]

I had to get rid of eternal cuz my Xbox only has 360 gb of space and all of my favorite games are massive

[vale gyro]

oof

but yeah, if you ever get the extra money, buy Doom + Doom 2 off of GOG

[cobalt grotto]

The pack of the original and the second was new unless they just took both games and put them together

[vale gyro]

you can then download the game from GOG and copy the WAD files over to a community source port and use that instead

[azure nimbus]

it's new

[cobalt grotto]

Yeah my doom is haunted

I'll just say that

[vale gyro]

or Steam, but I much prefer GOG

[cobalt grotto]

I do remember one level I played a couple years ago and it was nothing like what I have gotten through on my own playthrough

I was in hell

With a bunch of cacodemons

I have only seen pinky and the invisible pinky

[vale gyro]

the invisible ones are called Spectres btw

[cobalt grotto]

Oh

Idk the names well

[vale gyro]

but yeah, you first meet the Caco in Episode 2

[cobalt grotto]

Also I don’t think this is a cacodemon

[vale gyro]

assuming you're playing on Hurt Me Plently or above

[cobalt grotto]

Bruh

[vale gyro]

otherwise I don't think they appear until Episode 3 although I could be wrong

[cobalt grotto]

I can’t send the image

Hold on

[vale gyro]

if it looks like a big red meatball, it's a caco

[cobalt grotto]

I know

But its not from 1993

It’s from eternal I think

[vale gyro]

Cacos are in every Doom game

[cobalt grotto]

Idk what the demon is called but it looks like doom guy

And google said it was a caco

[azure nimbus]

marauders?

[vale gyro]

Pain Elementals, Archviles, and Revenants also all come from Doom 2

[azure nimbus]

I suggest perusing the doomwiki. All the monsters are listed there with pictures

[cobalt grotto]

Big axe guy

[azure nimbus]

marauder

[cobalt grotto]

Yeah that

[vale gyro]

that's only in Eternal

[cobalt grotto]

I was actually pretty good at eternal

Not far into the game but good

[vale gyro]

I'm much better at the older games (although that's not saying much)

[cobalt grotto]

I should try to get every soon game on my Xbox

[vale gyro]

don't skip on Doom 3 or 64

[azure nimbus]

Marauder is a good boss enemy. The cyberdemon is a bad boss enemy in e2m8. But then those facts make the cyber a bit more flexible to use as a regular enemy

[cobalt grotto]

I know eternal is 90 gbs

[cobalt grotto]

I’ll start with the old ones because they are smaller and are quick to download

I will have to get rid of a couple games I don’t play anymore

But I liked eternal because of glory kills

[vale gyro]

2016 also has them

but just an FYI

[cobalt grotto]

Wait now I’m wondering

Did I play 2016 or eternal

[vale gyro]

despite people saying Doom 3 is the black sheep of the Doom series, Eternal really is

[cobalt grotto]

I think I played eternal

[vale gyro]

Eternal feels and plays nothing like the other games

[cobalt grotto]

Where do you start in eternal

And where do you start in 2016

[vale gyro]

you start in a castle on Earth in Eternal with a shotgun

in 2016 you're strapped in a coffin with a pistol

[cobalt grotto]

I think I played eternal

Which one is the better game?

Eternal or 2016

[vale gyro]

I personally prefer Eternal over 2016 but that's because of a silly reason

[cobalt grotto]

What is it?

[vale gyro]

enemies feel like bullet sponges in 2016 for some reason

2016 isn't a bad game at all, though

[cobalt grotto]

I like the zombies

[vale gyro]

it's very fucking good

[cobalt grotto]

Because they are the most clumsy of all

[vale gyro]

all of the Doom games are

but yeah, don't skip out on Doom 3 because people say it's "the black sheep" or "bad"

neither are true

[cobalt grotto]

When I glory kill a zombie I kinda feel sad unless I use the chainsaw and cut them in half

They should of seen it coming

[vale gyro]

the only game that's genuinely the black sheep of the series is Eternal

and I will stand on that hill until I die

[cobalt grotto]

In eternal there is a destroyed mech in the side of a giant platform

And at the start of one of the sections a giant demon is seen walking through

What is the demon and where are all of the mechs

Nvm

I found it

[oblique plaza]

u can not even look around smoothly in d3 engine, so...

[twin mortar]

The most deciding factor of if a game is good or not

[coarse igloo]

tomato 😄

[coarse igloo]

thats good
I find it good when they dont die that quickly. especially higher tier enemies
Classic doom made it perfect imo
I dont like it how easily cacos die in eternal

1 shotgun grenade and its glory killable? meh

[coarse igloo]

2016, I think most will say eternal

But I prefer 2016 because eternal is too cartoonish for my taste. 2016 is a much more serious atmosphere and the game stays more doom imo

[coarse igloo]

It was a good enemy when I played as a kid with keyboard, having to hold down shift all the time and strafing is a foreign word. you turn and go away, thats the way 😂

[azure nimbus]

I don't know what that means

[twin mortar]

De-M-oN found it a harder boss because they didn't know how to strafe at the time

[azure nimbus]

everyone jumping to run doom.exe instead of running setup.exe first

[coarse igloo]

but without strafing it was actually a difficult game 😄
I was in the setup. But you had no experience with shooters and I was young. I mean you sometimes dont realize then everything 😄
also the constant shift press was quite uncomfortable. and no mouse either (when moving the mouse forward means you also run forwards equals to me the game has no mouse xD)

[azure nimbus]

At least there's the novert file nowadays(idk if that existed in the 1990s or not) and the knowledge of joyb_speed = 29 so that there's no vertical mouse movement and there is always-on strafing

[celest coyote]

Yea I always hated that element of eternal. Makes too many enemies a joke and the player hardly ever respects a single enemy in the entire game. Just jump, shoot, chainsaw, and grab everything you need from enemies so you never need to explore the level for resources, only for progression

Hopefully Dark Ages will play a bit more faithfully to the originals in the way you still need to care about the level around you for reasons beyond movement…like using walls for cover or grabbing health in a corner as you do in og doom

[coarse igloo]

and hopefully not a cartoon / arcade game feel 😄

[celest coyote]

That’s asking for too much, sadly, I think

But I also heavily agree. Don’t think they can help themselves tho

Eternal was waaaay too arcade-y both in levels and out of them too

[timid comet]

I Have come to make an announcement

---

Starts speaking in at dooms gate

[coarse igloo]

especially the cacodemon feeding. the whole animation and reaction and sound by it. As if it thinks its something to eat. idk it felt like pokemon gaming

Doom 2016 had this dark atmosphere, was being serious etc
even the blood color makes a difference 😄

[timid comet]

Ok my announcement is over. Have a good day

[finite crag]

the announcement:
to do a combo, hit em with a prank using bfg 10k

[jade solstice]

Sadge when are they going to fix modern co op man - it's killing my vibe to want to go on a spree of levels lol

[cyan cairn]

Any pixal art progrems to use for sprites custom? (Preferably free, but pay can work) this might fit more with the art section but I'll do it here.

[timid comet]

speaks in doom 1993 MIDI music

[cyan cairn]

Oh and if not then would pixalizing work? I origanly was gonna use photoshop

[timid comet]

Made my friend play nightmare on this. Quit like after two playthroughs

[vestal crown]

Honestly if you want something free and it's just for pixels you're probably best off with Paint.Net

If you don't mind shelling out 20 bucks though Aseprite has better animating tools

[vale gyro]

you don't exactly need to pay for Aseprite, assuming you're not selling your work

you can build it from source

[vestal crown]

Probably the only real reason I haven't switched to Aseprite entirely is hotkey differences lmfao

[vale gyro]

which is actually quite easy to do

the instructions for building it are very nicely laid out

[drifting fiber]

just spent 2 hours to clear 2 levels in doom 2

i'm not even on ultra-violence either idk what to feel lol

finally to the halfway point though. level 15/30

[drifting fiber]

[drifting fiber]

what the hell is going on with suburbs

[azure nimbus]

maybe the first "slaughter" map. Sometimes ya get a lot of enemies

[drifting fiber]

had to look up a walkthrough, which made me feel pathetic and in the wrong place

anyway i'm now onto the courtyard which is where i'm stopping for tonight. it's 3am

i've only managed to complete two levels without dying (and completing from a pistol start): tenements, and some other level

not counting entryway because entryway is entryway

[vestal crown]

I thought people reserved that label for Go 2 It

[azure nimbus]

some might.

[vestal crown]

I just learnt of one that was nearly 4gb yesterday because of oversized textures and music saved in uncompressed FLAC format

Honestly that's going to be the case of just about any oversized doom mod, just obnoxiously shitty optimization

[mortal hound]

Good morning everybody

[coarse igloo]

and music saved in uncompressed FLAC format

Lossless. nice. FLAC is not uncompressed. its lossless compression. WAV would be about 50% bigger)

I absolutely hate it when people compress the music that hard that the files are only 96 kbit or even just 64 kbit. thats horrible bitrate

and it doesnt matter that its ogg. its also there horrible bitrate

and the digitalized midis in doom 1+doom2 port are also just 96 kbit oggs. why people love this shitty bitrate so much

make them at least 160 kbit

[normal stag]

man it sucks that quicksaves arent tied to a game in rerelease

just lost my plutonia save...

[normal stag]

yeah the sound quality sucks big time

[solid lynx]

Anyone know if Aliens TC is still available?

[normal stag]

yeah it is

[hexed thicket]

hey chat

so i ported the press release beta to a pwad

and it works aside from some unused animations being messed up

also the unholy bible

nvm lol

that's demo map 2

[junior jackal]

play Rooms in roblox its gud

[pine violet]

Um how do I post images?

[safe obsidian]

Idk

[brazen quarry]

turn it into a gif

gifs work somehow (?)

or use #screenshots

[twin mortar]

Don't turn it into a gif lol just embed it

[lunar rune]

^ easiest way is to just send it in a seperate server or dm, right click and copy link

[cloud talon]

Why is habitat in final doom such a drastic downgrade from literally every other map in either episode

It has a distinct babies first wad feel

[celest coyote]

Cuz tnt

[cloud talon]

Team TNTs levels arent usually THIS bad

[coarse igloo]

I liked all the levels. also habitat.

I loved the blue door. Thats a damn HUGE door haha 😂
But yes the secrets were quite unfair lol

But I found them all but 1 with automap

one I had to look up^^

[drifting fiber]

the amount of relief when i finished "the chasm" for the first time

my god that was stressful

[vestal crown]

Just wait until you see The Spirit World and The Living End

[scenic lance]

classic doom birthday

we cheered

[drifting fiber]

thank you for reminding me how to be intimidated

[kindred spear]

I remember this having a SmoothTextures.pk3 file for it but the Google Drive only leads to SmoothDoom.pk3. Anyone know where I can get the textures as well?

[oblique plaza]

Cacowards 2024: no Scorching Earth/Semper Fidelis in top 48? wow

yeah, Resurgence 2014. did not really feel the first 5 maps but there are some quite good maps later on

[coarse igloo]

I love the spirit world. The only complain i have is that you can play the whole map invulnerable

[mortal hound]

Finally, today is the DOOM aniversary

[urban trench]

Time to celebrate and continue my journey in Kenosis.

[safe obsidian]

Can you imagine a Mancubus with 2 BFGs on its arms instead of its characteristic cannons?

[hexed thicket]

uh guys i managed to run doom 2 on doom v1.6

the game crashed due to the demos being incompatible

alongisde that it can't load any maps

i'll try to fix some stuff

HOLDON

IT WORKS

#screenshots message

[celest coyote]

[hexed thicket]

what doomguy sees before dying to map11 of plutonia:

[pine violet]

So John Romero apparently has a CD that has LITERALLY EVERYTHING IN REGARDS TO DOOM'S DEVELOPMENT ON IT

Anyone here work at Id?

I'd like to see if it is ok for Romero to release it (I'm not affiliated with him I would just really like this to be released so we can see and use all the cut content Doom has to offer)

[void hemlock]

I think what you're referring to is an archive from 2014 that has been posted before, it was called "Romero Doom Dump"

and it wasn't everything but it was a ton of new things for back then

[pine violet]

No Romero made a video on his discord where he shows the CD in question

[void hemlock]

i didnt know romero had a discord

well maybe i could've guessed

[pine violet]

I can invite you if you want

[void hemlock]

is it the romero games discord or something?

[pine violet]

Yes can you add me as a friend so I can invite you

[strong hatch]

Today is DOOM's anniversary, so, remember, without this game we wouldn't have gotten all of that rip & tearing

LONG LIVE CLASSIC DOOM

[oblique plaza]

the best I can do is a mancubus2harkubus reskin https: SLASH SLASH www.dropbox.com/home/0monster reskins%2Bmore music

[austere tangle]

Is the Bethesda.net login not working for anyone else

[oblique plaza]

lol (monsters2 wad changes projectile color to green btw)

[median cloud]

This is an insane cacoward year what the hell

So many of these look amazing

[drifting fiber]

DOOM II COMPLETE!

....on hurt me plenty

time to see how many hours it took

Roughly 20 hours and 44 minutes.

[twin mortar]

Your first time will be long, but by your third playthrough you'll likely be clocking in with just one hour

[drifting fiber]

no chance i'd get that much better after only 3 playthroughs lol

i haven't even counted up how many times i died during all of that yet, and 1 hour sounds both under virtually all of the par times and deathless

granted; almost all of the time i spent on this game was mostly due to insisting that i finish from a pistol start if i died

[twin mortar]

Yes, you would

Trust the process, you'll be blazing fast in no time

[drifting fiber]

i don't even know what the "process" is

i think icon of sin was the only level i finished under par time

[twin mortar]

Just playing the game

[mortal hound]

Congratulation

[drifting fiber]

does the dos version count because that's what i've been playing on

[twin mortar]

Any version

[drifting fiber]

well uh i guess if i ever finish two more playthroughs then i'll let you know about how long it takes me

i've completed doom 1 twice and doom 2 once

[twin mortar]

Good luck

[drifting fiber]

thanks

[celest coyote]

Congrats. It’s always fun discovering a level for the first time, even if by modern standards, a lot of those doom 2 levels don’t agree with people. Doom 2 is great to get lost in considering all the new additions they added. ID sat there and said, “yea we only need one more weapon, but a dozen or so badass monsters, and then it’s perfect” and it shows

[drifting fiber]

i looked up walkthroughs for maps 16 and 29 but besides that i think i more or less figured everything else out on my own

not really sure how to feel about anything though

[celest coyote]

Well whenever you are ready, there are plenty of other worlds to explore in doom in the form of community content

But people tend to stick with the more official stuff first like plutonia and tnt if you want more doom

[drifting fiber]

yea i plan on finishing the 5 games in the dos version and then maybe go back for all of the steam achievements

not really sure if i'll end up trying much community content but i definitely am not done with doom after just finishing the first two games once or twice

[celest coyote]

Sounds like a great plan in the meantime. I wish you the best of luck on getting the achievements

[drifting fiber]

thanks!

[celest coyote]

Hell, from gameplay mods to player-created mapsets, to making your own content, there’s always plenty to do

Enjoy the journey at your own pace

[drifting fiber]

will do :)

[vestal crown]

Icon of Sin is laughably easy on any sourceport with mouselook. I should probably look into some mods that replace it because most IoS levels depend on some honour system of not just aiming directly at the fuckin brain the moment it's visible

Besides TNT map 30 which, against all odds, is actually harder with mouselook

[oblique plaza]

harkubus limp included because of the heavy pseudo BFGs

[azure nimbus]

"map29 is laughably easy any time you type iddqd. I should probably look into some mods that replace it because most levels depend on some honor system of not cheating"

[vestal crown]

I'm not sure if this is supposed to be some kind of gotcha, are you trying to suggest iddqd is a movement equally as natural as moving a mouse up or down

[azure nimbus]

I am trying to suggest that it's up to you to not cheat.

If you're not submiting a run or uploading it to youtube or anything like that, there are no official rules. But you know when a settings choice or even typed code changes the gameplay or circumvents a challenge. It's not the map's fault for not accounting for that

[vestal crown]

I'm not suggesting it is

Most IoS levels are designed around no mouselook and that's not a design flaw, it just unfortunately makes them stupid easy with mouselook enabled unless you abide by the same conditions that are mandatory to beat it otherwise

[azure nimbus]

so don't play with mouselook

[vestal crown]

I would rather not turn it off for just one level when the rest of a megawad works just fine and I don't think it's wrong to pine for an alternative

Unfortunately most icon of sin replacements replace the entire map instead of playing around with the system of spawn targets, brain entity and the hidden romero head

[oblique plaza]

which ones? I love Necromantic Thirst only from what I have tried. I like other 2024 mapsets: Scorching Earth, Semper Fidelis and Sunset Irregilion...

[median cloud]

been trying forsaken compound, but the screenshots just look great

[drifting fiber]

I decided to count up all of my deaths while cutting down the video, and my total death count was 258

The levels with the highest amount of restarts were Suburbs with 36, The Living End with 33, and Downtown with 24.

I know nobody cares about or considers this information but I figured write it down anyway since I was cutting down twenty hours of video anyways. might as well get some statistics out of it.

[vestal crown]

Just out of curiousity because it's not something that occured to me on my first attempt either: did you realize that you can ||completely skip the Cyberdemon|| in The Living End?

[drifting fiber]

Yeah that's what I did

Most of those deaths came from the starting area where I kept getting blown up by revenant rockets

[vestal crown]

Oh lol, the first... I wanna say three playthroughs I did I forced myself to kill it rather than just run past it

Younger me obsessed over getting all kills all the time lmao

[drifting fiber]

if i wasn't playing the dumb rule of doing pistol starts if i died (despite saving) then i probably would've tried to kill the cyberdemon

but for whatever reason i decided to torture myself and start with the pistol whenever i died

instead of loading any save data

[vestal crown]

I can't think of many ID-made classic Doom maps that are actually designed for pistol start

[drifting fiber]

i mean i'd doubt any of them are designed for a pistol start, but i would assume that they were all tested from a pistol start

[vestal crown]

Like yeah people do it regardless but seeing an ammo type without an accompanying weapon pickup has to be very frustrating lmfao

[drifting fiber]

it definitely is lol

i got so many rockets on the spirit world and yet i never found a rocket launcher

so like why do i have all of these rockets

those would've been great against all of those revenants and stuff later on

[coarse igloo]

Hell On earth starterpack has a proper icon of sin. but the map design is made for brutal doom. No idea if the balance works with vanilla
But there are many many situations on any map where mouselook is easier and even makes you hit targets you otherwise couldnt, because autoaim also has a max range

[vestal crown]

I mean most of the difficulty in an IoS fight without mouselook is that you can't autoaim it and have to be directly level with the brain opening but regardless

I more had in mind a monster that replaces the boss brain object, kinda like the Mother Demon mini mod or the hidden boss for Corruption Cards

[coarse igloo]

in hell on earth its not a wall texture, its an actual monster. (still cant move though) its like the proper version of icon of sin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-2Yo3w8FwQ&t=1254s
I use project brutality 2.03 though. The weapons are different to BD 😄
But Quad Shotgun + Triple Minigun was fair enough I guess. Black Hole Launcher and Nuclear Missile Launcher were too much for him xD

https://www.youtube.com/clip/UgkxO48P5drVWwucDhSDLlOtJMlRMIE8G3qp
This when I used my nuclear missile launcher lol

[brazen quarry]

just finished doom 1993 e1, it's 🔥

w soundtrack

[vale gyro]

Nice

[arctic pulsar]

Are there mods created by Brazilians?, and because I'm from Brazil

but from what I know what I know is brutal doom

[ionic ivy]

In your guys’ opinion which vanilla Classic Doom limitation is more annoying?
A. Infinitely tall actors
B. No vertical aiming

[vale gyro]

infinitely tall actors although they aren't that bad

[fleet ermine]

A

[vale gyro]

the lack of vertical aiming is anything but annoying in my opinion

the game is designed around that limitation in mind

[celest coyote]

C. Horizontal auto-aim 😭

So many rockets to the face cuz it hits a wall I’m beside

[vestal crown]

Vertical autoaim is less consistent than actual mouselook but as long as the monster is still onscreen it usually isn't too bad. On the other hand there are speedruns that amount to a complete crapshoot because of infinite object height (EG: Nightmare 100% secrets in Doom 2 map 5 hinges on not being blocked by the pool spectres at the end while trying to jump for the cacodemon closets)

[gaunt cradle]

The pause music on doom 2 is so chill

[coarse igloo]

autoswitch to new picked up weapon is the most annoying one

[tacit remnant]

I honestly like the vertical autoaim instead of vertical freelook because it de-emphasizes aim a bit and helps put the focus on movement and tactics. Infinitely tall actors is infuriating

[brazen quarry]

why use vertical aim, if chainsaw?

[vale gyro]

Use a chainsaw on Nightmare.

I bloody dare you

[brazen quarry]

fair point

[tacit remnant]

Cursed thought: I’ve been playing God Hand a lot recently, and I just thought of the idea of a mod where instead of getting guns you get different melee attacks and the levels are designed accordingly. That sounds horribly janky but I’d probably play it

[vestal crown]

Bring Your Own Class has a few melee classes that gain attacks instead of weapons for their weapon drops (eg: Melty Man gets an AoE haymaker instead of a chaingun) so it's not entirely without precedent

Most of the design challenges would be just fitting it within Doom's keybinds

In fact I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure there are literally multiple God Hand themed mods

[tacit remnant]

I always use the scroller to switch weapons (I have kind of a weird hand posture on the keyboard that makes reaching the number keys really awkward and difficult) so that wouldn’t be a problem for me. I’ll google that and see if I find anything interesting

[median cloud]

Infinity tall actors is actually annoying, vertical aim is only really needed when aiming at a far distance

[woven swallow]

hi, any good doom wads to play?

[median cloud]

1000

[vestal crown]

Don't know if VEGA will let me link it but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0iwKHuz_6E

Oh THAT worked

[tacit remnant]

Thanks

[coarse igloo]

A new player wondered in his LP Video if he can use the Chainsaw on the cyberdemon at E2M8. Cyber said no 😂

[coarse igloo]

infinite actor height makes sense though because the monsters are designed around it. It would be so much easier if you could just walk over them without harm 😄

I also think its a graphical ugliness prevention. because they already didnt like the software renderer tilt angle when looking up and down, but being on top of a sprite would look even more awful because you see theyre just 2D then (paper thin effect)

[coarse igloo]

not only there. good example is E4M2 and the cacodemon above the spectres in the stone wall canyon
You would like to shoot down the cacodemon with rocket launcher above the spectres, but because the spectres are closer to you it would aim down to the spectres instead xD. Can even cause accidental suicides if not careful 😄

I dislike the horizontal autoaim much more though. its absolutely not necessary and 99% of the time it does rather harm you because you would hit the target but the horizontal autoaim shoots against the wall

[tacit remnant]

I understand why infinitely tall actors are a thing; it’s still very frustrating

[oblique plaza]

mapsets?

Speed of Doom 2010 (tough hordes, lotsa mancubi),

Vanguard 2011 (second half of the mapset looks like Valiant 2015),

Hellbound 2013 (top lighting, iffy gameplay),

Valiant: Vaccinated Edition 2015,

Hell’s Fartherst Shore 2021 (D1),

Irkalla 2022 (great details, top lighting, grey cramped castles in red hell, great colors),

Shallow World 2022 (ez),

Scorching Earth 2024 (similar visuals to Hellbound 2013),

Necromantic Thirst 2024 (maps01-08+10+14+17+18+21+24, others glitch/lag),

Semper Fidelis 2024

and the all new

Sunset Irreligion 2024.

as for the gore/guns, fem voice, dash: VOYAGE INFERNAL gameplay mod.

monsters? I have compiled various reskins, posted here yesterday, harkubus rules

[azure nimbus]

I think it's literally only that romero and Carmack didn't figure out midair 3d collisions

[oblique plaza]

vanilla Classic Doom? y? PC, GZDoom

[coarse igloo]

Valiant: Vaccinated Edition 2015,

No. play the full thing ..

the new features are way too good

[twin mortar]

Some people prefer vanilla. A LOT of them...

[coarse igloo]

GZDoom doom strict
Bugs fixed, gameplay relevant rules intact. win win to me 😄

its like ID Software released a new patch

[twin mortar]

I'm a purist so I don't use source ports at all personally

[coarse igloo]

But if you play gzdoom, why you recommend the castrated edition of valiant 🤔

[coarse igloo]

so you play in dos?

[twin mortar]

DOSBox

[coarse igloo]

interesting^^

not even dsda-doom, surprising to hear

[twin mortar]

Though I mostly play the console ports

[twin mortar]

Yeah, I'm extreme about how I play my games. I don't even install widescreen patches for 4:3 games :p

[coarse igloo]

in that regard I wouldve preferred the win95 version by ID Software. The Doom CE version offers at least 640x480 resolution (But I had broken spectre render there for some reason. Not sure if thats still a problem though. was many many years ago

[hexed thicket]

#screenshots message

linuxdoom sdldoom hybrid

[twin mortar]

DOOM95 is pretty much unplayable on modern hardware

[coarse igloo]

which renderer was it? OpenGL? or Direct3D? you remember?

[hexed thicket]

i ran it once using vmware and a win98se vm

[hexed thicket]

direct3d

[coarse igloo]

ok thats cool

very very high chance that it would run with dgvoodoo2

[hexed thicket]

rarely any ports that use d3d

[twin mortar]

Not interested in VMs

[hexed thicket]

it works with a dll but the colors are

something

[twin mortar]

Yeah, I've heard that

[coarse igloo]

nah no VM, just add dgvoodoo2 😄

[twin mortar]

Coder posted a screenshot before

[twin mortar]

I will if I get my hands on it

[coarse igloo]

dgvoodoo2 is amazing. runs anything old 🙂

and the best is: It outputs to Direct3D11, then you can even capture it with OBS GameCapture

[hexed thicket]

@twin mortar https://www.moddb.com/mods/doom95-portable/downloads/doomportable found this

just set the iwad

[twin mortar]

Does this modify the game itself in any way other than just making it run?

[hexed thicket]

it just makes the game run

by adding d3d compat dlls

[twin mortar]

I see I see

[coarse igloo]

not sure what this thing adds, but dgvoodoo2 would also handle properly 16bit colors

because if its not done properly it will look bad (e.g. at NFS 3 tire smoke would be greenish

[hexed thicket]

man i sure do need a proper linux midi library (or maybe cross platform thatd help)

then i'll just implement it into the src port

dmx sucks

i wish the source code actually had dmx

but due to dmx not allowing the code to be open source

[ebon lava]

im making a modpack for doom 1/2

[tender hare]

i know it's far from the hardest by modern standards but i'm playing through plutonia for the first time and just cleared go 2 it, there's an hour of my life i'm never getting back lol, kinda proud though!

[atomic harbor]

Hey guys, after watching many vids of classic doom players like coincident or decino, decided I wanted to give my nostalgia a go. I got the wad here, and am arleady running PrBoom+. But dunno much of what I am doing so I wanted to advice on how to run this as best as possible. I am running it on comp lvl 9 (ngl dunno why I didn't stick it with 2 in the bat). But again, am not entirely sure what I am doing.

an oddity I am noticing from whatever mess I have done with the files is I got no sound for when I find secrets

[finite crag]

just play it with gzdoom lmao

[vale gyro]

I really suggest using DSDA-Doom over PrBoom+

Or Woof is also an option, too

[vale gyro]

DSDA is still currently being updated and is forked from PrBoom+

They share similar menus and settings

[vale gyro]

Woof is also still updated and is instead forked from WinMBF, but does share some common features like complevels

Woof also (in my opinion) has better menus than DSDA and also some visual gimmicks like colored blood you can enable if you wish

Both have the ability to enable a secret found message and sound

Both just as easily

[vale gyro]

They may want a more vanilla experience and/or demo compatibility

GZDoom pretty much offers neither, especially the latter

[azure nimbus]

the compl level you pick should match the wad that you're playing. So vanilla stuff is cl2, and anything you download for "boom" will be cl9. They'll tell you in the download

[azure nimbus]

I think you are overestimating how much harder DSDA is to set up. Literally the same, if not easier than gz. The reputation GZ has as being the "easy" generalist port is undeserved. GZ doom is for things made for gz doom and not made for boom, vanilla, or mbf, or mbf21

[finite crag]

you forgor id24

[azure nimbus]

I did not

[azure nimbus]

id24 is not an existing comp level for DSDA at this point.

As far as I can tell, almost nothing is made specifically for id24 either.

[hexed thicket]

dsda is my go to port actually

if i'm not using it then it's probably something not compatible

[hexed thicket]

id24 compatibility probably isn't a priority rn

id24 doesn't add much

[vale gyro]

Surprisingly, Woof actually has partial id24 support

As of the last update

[oblique plaza]

ANTIVAXER!!! so that I can play w/ guns/gore/monsters/mods I choose (using ZDL launcher in this very specific case). possible to play Valiant maps 22+23+27+28+30 w/out fps drops on a stronger PC pls? got ryzen CPU, VOYAGE INFERNAL gameplay mod, GZDoom. I have tried dsda-doom but felt exactly the same as GZDoom. what PC HW do I upgrade first? better ryzen? more than 32GB RAM? better GPU? thanks

[coarse igloo]

But is it what the person you answered to wants too?
Valiant's extra is really really good and I recommend playing in general first the mapset how it is intended to be played

[coarse igloo]

GZ doom is for things made for gz doom and not made for boom, vanilla, or mbf, or mbf21

Just because they fixed bugs like blockmap, lost souls outside of map bug by pain elemental death etc it is not made for vanilla or mbf?
thats some crazy bullshit

and all the gameplay relevant things are covered by their presets

and there is also mbf preset

[azure nimbus]

the physics are different. That's gameplay relevant.

I get that it's a rough approximation. I am aware of the presets. But it isn't the same. The gameplay is different. The blockmap is an obvious one

[celest coyote]

Why did that person open with antivaxer? 😭

[coarse igloo]

but thats a plain bug that some shots dont get registered by the blockmap
id wouldve fixed it themself

Why you love hitscans not being registered sometimes

which is just a technical problem and not intentional

[vale gyro]

Because we much prefer accuracy and demo compatibility

[coarse igloo]

I dont know which physics you mean. Feels very much the same to me. what kind of physics you mean

and blockmap counts not to me for gameplay. its just a pure bug and nothing else and nothing intentional

unlike e.g. infinite actors height, which is of course important to gameplay and intentional

everything which isnt just a plain bug, its there in the doom strict preset
And I dont miss the bugs at all. Its good that plain bugs are fixed

ID wouldve done the same

[twin mortar]

A lot of us purists just really don't like any inaccuracies no matter how small

[azure nimbus]

what you're describing is gameplay. Just because you dont like it doesn't make it not gameplay

An example of something that isn't gameplay is the hud being smaller, or the medikit 25 % health text, or ouch face being changed

[coarse igloo]

it would more annoy me than anything if there is just another lost soul outside of map or some shots once again not registered. meh. Thank god bullshit like that is fixed 😄

[azure nimbus]

An example of "gameplay" is "my melee works on more monsters up close

[coarse igloo]

not happening on doom strict

doom strict uses the old hitscan detection

[azure nimbus]

The lost souls out of map is fixed in boom and above anyway. But on vanilla, you could very well have two rooms separated by a wall that on true vanilla, the lost souls spawn through the wall and you might see them later

Say doomguy's speed is adjusted some imperceptable amount such that the physics are changed but you as a player probably wouldn't notice. I wouldn't want that change.

[coarse igloo]

but the blockmap bullshit is fixed like half of the pellets of the SSG not hitting because they had the blockmap bug

[azure nimbus]

It isn't really a factor to me that GZ's physics are only maybe noticable. I don't want the physics changed at all. The game is as-is

That's part of the game and you can adjust your actions as a player to account for it

Not shooting in a pure cardinal direction(aim a big diagonal), dont' expect 1hit BFGs on spiderdemons, give extra leeway when meleeing mancs

[coarse igloo]

thats just a stupid technical limitation and id themself wouldve fixed it immediately, because this is a problem not being intentional

[twin mortar]

It's not intentional, but it is engraved in the original game

If I want to see a game's greatness I don't want to cut out what makes it bad, I want to get its entirety as it was

[coarse igloo]

to me this is like an patch 2.0 from id. Bugfixing. like every company would do if their game has bugs and still are allowed to make patches

[azure nimbus]

The game is build on technical limitations

The RNG table, the limited monster AI that can only move in 8 directions and never moving while attacking, the vertical autoaim, the horizontal autoaim, the lack of freelook, infinitely tall actor collisions, no true room-over-room, the scuffed trigger system(map07 triggers), the fire rate of the rocket launcher came about due to the reload being annoying to animate(likely). The lack of a real reload mechanic similarly due to limitations most likely. Even the size of the original maps. Working within limitations is a huge part of Doom's history and art in general

If this game had no y-sheering, there would be no BFG. Y-sheering leads to a locked vertical camera leading to vertical autoaim. This means that a BFG that functions a delayed shotgun where every tracer vertically autoaims independently makes sense. It also is balanced by the fact that the locked vertical aim prevents you from trivially shooting at the ground so you have to play with a fuller trigger->blast delay or use the geometry to your advantage with a wall. There's a reason that even QuakeII uses a totally different BFG system.

Also no ghost monsters in gz : (

[coarse igloo]

thats all ok and also the fist range is ok and I keep it on vanilla maps original range
But what I dont need is randomly bullets or shells not registering which were supposed to hit and I'm glad that this is fixed permanently

[azure nimbus]

that's great. You can play how you want. Nobody's stopping you. I'm just saying that is is objectively a gameplay change and we shouldn't act like it's the same. It's very similar. But it isn't the same

[coarse igloo]

not registering shots from guns? no that is not gameplay to me. thats just a bug alone

[azure nimbus]

What definition of gameplay could ever not include when your weapons register

[coarse igloo]

why I cant upload image lol

[coarse igloo]

there is

but I cant upload image on this discord meh

not even possible to upload at a image hoster

thats crazy

[azure nimbus]

I know that it has some specific maps that it works on and Zscript technically allows it to be manually reimplemented, but at least as of this post https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/127038-gzdoom-help-cant-create-ghost-monsters-in-doom-strict-compat-mode/, it isn't included in doom strict

[coarse igloo]

its a compat flag

in the options

I looked up. its also covered by the doom strict

maybe the post is too old

[azure nimbus]

ok, nice that they added it then. It still doesn't change the narrative. GZ isn't demo compatable. So that's that

[coarse igloo]

even if its accurate it will never be demo compatible

[azure nimbus]

so the gameplay is different. That is what it means to not be demo compat

[finite crag]

marine best friend

[coarse igloo]

this includes bugs too though

[finite crag]

modders best friend

[vale gyro]

As it’s mainly to be an extension of Boom

[finite crag]

2021

[vale gyro]

Which is an extension of vanilla

[finite crag]

Just play however you want

[twin mortar]

Except for texture filtering

[finite crag]

But things like blockmap hit detection are annoying as fuck

[twin mortar]

I dislike freelook, jumping and crouching, but if others use them, sure, I don't care

Texture filtering though? You are tripping.

[vale gyro]

Pretty much the only thing I will not accept

[twin mortar]

For classic DOOM at least

[vale gyro]

It’s also horrible in Quake

[twin mortar]

I leave it off for post-( and including) id Tech 3 FPS games

[finite crag]

Doom 64

[vale gyro]

Isn’t usually idTech?

[twin mortar]

Where'd you get that one from

[vale gyro]

Wait, you’re right

My bad

[twin mortar]

You're fine sir

[vale gyro]

Eh, not really in my experience

Probably because I’ve played with vanilla for so long I’ve maybe subconsciously learnt how to avoid it?

Anyways how can I make up for the fact I barely played Doom 1 on its anniversary?

[finite crag]

uv max nuts 3

[vale gyro]

Something NOT painful

[finite crag]

uv fast the three episodes of doom 1

[twin mortar]

Technically every UV player has done that, just not all of us have done it good

[vale gyro]

Me who has only done UDoom on UV once:

[azure nimbus]

I think they're going for -fast monsters

[twin mortar]

Oh right, forgot about that

[vale gyro]

If so I would literally die

[azure nimbus]

I think you could do it

might be a few tries for e4m1 though

[vale gyro]

Well, he said specifically Doom 1

Also, it would be hundreds of tries for E4M6

I would genuinely be unable to do UV -fast

[azure nimbus]

nah you could do it I'm sure. Especially if you did the red key grab through the wall. a gameplay trick that I'm p sure isn't in gz @coarse igloo

take your time. you know the game enough

[vale gyro]

I have a hard time pulling it off, actually

Like I might attempt just E4M1

[finite crag]

noclip

[coarse igloo]

I use these where I'm supposed to use these (gzdoom based maps) Otherwise it would be crazy cheat

[azure nimbus]

i mean slamming your face into the wall to pick up the key on the other side

[finite crag]

but typing it on gzdoom console

[azure nimbus]

I believe it's because the pickup check happens before the check for legal movement

[azure nimbus]

nothing wrong with doom's regular cheats like idclip. no need for a menu or console

[coarse igloo]

nope, he should do okuplok UV single segment

[azure nimbus]

thanks for your sincere answers

though doom1 uvfast is doable for sure

[vale gyro]

Literally only one person has even done that lmao

[vale gyro]

Meant to reply to this

[finite crag]

me

[vale gyro]

Yeah, I could probably manage Doom 1 UV -fast

Just not UDoom UV -fast

[finite crag]

Thats why I said just the three episodes

[coarse igloo]

why it should. its another stupid bug 😄

[vale gyro]

Like I might try E4M1 but

I absolutely hate E4 in general

Though I actually like E4M8

I consider it the best boss level of any official idTech1 Doom game

[finite crag]

It aint that bad aside from the first two maps and map 6

[vale gyro]

I can actually manage E4M2 quite fine even on a pistol start

Well, at least on my normal difficulty of HMP

[coarse igloo]

E4M2 is good. nothing wrong with it. difficult but not because of monster spam

[azure nimbus]

when I did nightmare, e1 was harder than e4 oddly enough

[coarse igloo]

hitscanners^^

[twin mortar]

My 360/BFG NM run ended at E4M6

[vale gyro]

But E4M6 makes me want to cry

I hate that level

[finite crag]

The caco spam at the beginning is atrocious

[coarse igloo]

I liked it what they did with duke3D
when you gib the enemy, it wont respawn

[vale gyro]

I’m waiting for a Doom mod that just turns it into another game so I have an actual reason to willingly use Cheesy Doom

(I am NOT fucking counting Brutal Doom or Project Brutality)

Well, I do actually use GZ for 64 so I can use a midi pack to replace its base OST as it gives me anxiety

[azure nimbus]

I used Gz for screenshots until DSDA got Xaser's OpenGL and I learned the fly cheat

[rough estuary]

64 is fkin scary, I only played few first lvls

[finite crag]

wait until you reach map 20 👻

[vale gyro]

Nugget Doom has a free cam so I just use that

Although I don’t have freelook

[rough estuary]

I think I treat it the same as Doom 3, I got to freaked out so I uninstalled it :D

[finite crag]

damn

[rough estuary]

yeah running around with that shotgun and miss every shot and stuff, also soo soo dark I couldnt see shit

oh well, Jumped into the Sunder maps recently, I reached lvl 4 this far

[vale gyro]

Yeah, I sadly can’t handle Doom 3 as well

[azure nimbus]

I gotta figure out how to do free cam on demo playback. I get it to run around essentially as a guy with noclip but without fly

[vale gyro]

I think Nugget allows for that

I know for a fact chase cam works in demo playback

[coarse igloo]

in gzdoom you can type in
noclip2
then you're no clipping and flying together

[coarse igloo]

maybe maps made for it (for gzdoom, wrong line replied)
https://youtu.be/wtpqv2YmSb4

[vale gyro]

… honestly this is what GZ is good for

[coarse igloo]

But I also love the dynamic lights in gzdoom
Valiant's Candlecove, all the candles look sooooooooo beautiful with the dynamic lights

[vale gyro]

Though only issue with it is that it looks too hard for me lol

[coarse igloo]

I dont know. I didnt play it yet. But I'm very excited to do

[vale gyro]

But yeah, I hate using GZ for maps that don’t utilize its features

Like I’m actually getting sick of newbies doing that

They could’ve made that map in vanilla or Boom format, but nah

They did GZ UDMF and used none of its features

I am perfectly fine playing maps in GZ when they actually utilize the engine

[finite crag]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/832527939153297448/1317597314319384717/Rerelease_Screenshot_2024.12.14_-_14.57.26.13.png?ex=675f439f&is=675df21f&hm=f7df9ae8e00b1b747c2704780fd1a04b508add4d20bebc24758abdb9be63ac2e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=550&height=309

Holy shit Legacy of Rust super secret map 🙀

[coarse igloo]

probably theyre not aware or maybe its easier to use this format? I dont know.
but yes if it doesnt use UDMF then you unnecessarily, potentially miss out players playing your maps

[vale gyro]

or they just booted up UDB and didn't change the format

but yeah, I really dislike maps that do that

[coarse igloo]

or they just booted up UDB and didn't change the format

Mostly it will be this. Thats what I meant with: Theyre maybe not aware

[vale gyro]

Oh, I read it as "probably they're not aware that it's easier to use this format"

UDMF is actually harder to use than vanilla, Boom, or MBF

they're a lot more limited but they are overall easier to use

[coarse igloo]

Its so good now with UDB that you can draw a room and it actually works without bugs 😄

with dos editors it was a bit different story xD

[lunar rune]

UDMF kind of hurts my eyes

[coarse igloo]

and then I had a program which did do drawing - but I could never save the map because even a small map it was already out of memory xD

[vale gyro]

though one thing I'll say is that I'm really sick of people just keep saying "oh just use GZDoom" like it's the only sourceport to exist

mainly in videos and such

[lunar rune]

It's really annoying

GZDoom is the furthest from vanilla you can get

[vale gyro]

not even that

I mainly mean they don't give people options

[lunar rune]

Oh true

[coarse igloo]

maps with UDMF Features I would love to see many many more. But so many are complete different games and not just mapsets :/

[vale gyro]

it's just like "oh use GZDoom" and not like "you can use DSDA-Doom for a more 'modern' vanilla experience or use GZDoom if you want just more 'modern' without any concern of it being vanilla"

I don't like when people don't explain their options either

[vale gyro]

I personally give more options than even that tbh

[lunar rune]

I switched to ZDoom in a really weird way, GZDoom lagged hard on Nuts3 so I switched to ZDoom and just thought it looked better lmao, I like using DSDA now though

[vale gyro]

I personally use Nugget Doom with some visual and QoL stuff enabled

[lunar rune]

I've heard of Nugget DOOM from you and like, one forum and that's it lmao

[vale gyro]

because I could not STAND autoswitching

[coarse igloo]

But the opposite site is not much better with explaining imo.
Because it sounds too much like there is also infinite actor height and everything gone and just the "default" preset
it sounds too harsh. but in fact its just a few bugs permanently fixed but doom strict preset covers the most and especially the important ones

[vale gyro]

like I'm fine with the bugs of the original game and even comfortably play keyboard only

but I hated dying because I accidentally picked up a berserk pack

and losing a whole run

because I often use berserk packs as health pickups over ammo management

[lunar rune]

I hated when mappers would place a really inconvient berserk in the middle of a big fight, it seems so situational but it is way more common than it is

[vale gyro]

I'm actually thinking of disabling one of the visual gimmicks I have enabled

which is making blood splats go flying everywhere on enemy gib

I personally like the look of it but it messes with the RNG table

I only assume that because it's disabled when a demo is being recorded

[azure nimbus]

Boom and above lets you not autoswap on empty. It's a bit of an obscure setting but it is in DSDA

[vale gyro]

I've had some issues with DSDA and it doesn't have another feature I like out of Woof/Nugget

[azure nimbus]

I think if you caught me on the right month where I was playing with mirrored corpses and colored blood, I'd try nugget

[vale gyro]

I play with only colored blood

I don't really like mirrored corpses

[finite crag]

mirrored corpses look so cursed

[vale gyro]

and well, what I described above as well

because that visual gimmick makes gibbing so much more satisfying at the cost of the RNG table going every time you gib a single enemy

[coarse igloo]

I use it to punch the rest of the map xD

[azure nimbus]

I agree with that move. Unless it's a very specific map, there's almost always enough ammo to make do without melee

[vestal crown]

I liked the way BYOC handled zerk packs - which is to say that it gave a damage boost to all weapons, but the boost actually wears off when the screen tint does. So it challenges you to route around your knowledge of a map to make the most of its effect instead of just being... there in the background at best, and yeah, force switching weapons at a bad time at worst

'course, it does occasionally break maps that are ACTUALLY designed around perma boosted punches, like Ancient Aliens E3M1 lmfao

[pine violet]

I'm not sure I'm allowed to send invites here

[low schooner]

I used GZDoom as my sourceport of doom

But zandronum was my favourite

And Doom Retro too

But I know how feel

It's very complicated that people don't find other options than these.

I have never tested DSDA

If you want to send the link this sourceport in the DM, feel free.

[vale gyro]

Just an fyi it’s a google drive link

For DSDA-Doom that’s normal

Jus make sure the account poster has an anime girl pfp lol

I personally like Woof/Nugget Doom

[low schooner]

What

[hexed thicket]

i just played helion

and idk but too many things are weird

WHY IS THE ENDOOM TEXTURE FILTERED

and the port uses c#???

[vale gyro]

The maintainer behind the project uses some anime character as their profile picture both on Doomworld and their Google accounts

[timid comet]

Favorite doom 2 song: The Demons Dead

[cloud cypress]

Any recommendations for mods I should get on the console addition?

[vale gyro]

overboard

[snow loom]

Revolution is absolute class

Anything Thomas van de velden his mods are usually really good

[oblique plaza]

favourite way of harkubus disposal: VOYAGE INFERNAL gore/gun mod, 6 automatic shotgun rounds + machreaper blaster finish

[remote root]

i,m looking for people to play Doom with
ages 30+

[woven swallow]

Eviternity

[vale gyro]

That’s a weird way of spelling Microsoft Imitation Java (I program in C#)

[hexed thicket]

java but doesn't use a vm

[crystal cloak]

So this is kind of a weird request, but if possible/allowed, I'd be really grateful if some people here could read over and fact-check / give feedback for this section of my script talking about the tone of the early DOOM games, and how it compares to DOOM 2016 and Eternal - who were around to experience those early games at the time of release. As someone who was born in '97, I'm only able to guess at what it would've been like.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bfqqH6Oi0NdTYsLlFmACHJfIzc3vfDZdfAlFCZeZJRQ/edit?usp=sharing

[celest coyote]

Doom Eternal story is like when too many Marvel fans try to turn Doom into Infinity War/End Game especially when you first arrive in hell to “invade” with all those ships arriving and “Thor” waving his “hammer” to command the attack. God I hate Eternal’s DLC’s, the story is beyond cringe and takes itself waaaay too seriously

I think the biggest hiccup in New Doom is the shift from making it a game about being scared of demons, it’s demons being scared of you, which changes the entire dynamic of doom and not necessarily for the better. I like respecting enemies in classic doom if I can’t outright shoot them, newer doom doesn’t have that at all. It’s pure power fantasy

[oblique plaza]

cause De-M-oN does not like Valiant: VACCINATED Edition

[celest coyote]

That’s good lol

[oblique plaza]

possible to play kdikdizd w/ a weapons mod somehow pls? no luck even trying to use ZDL launcher

[remote root]

i,m trying to change starting weapon in doom by editing a DECORATE but i just cant get it to work 😦

[cloud cypress]

Overboard and Revolution have both been pretty fun thanks

Still gotta try Eviternity but y'all suggestions have been good so far

[pine violet]

https://imgur.com/cDJP1k2

is this concept art for the Spider Mastermind documented anywhere?

[azure nimbus]

I haven't seen it at least

[snow loom]

The doom 1+2 port on console is good but it would be really cool if some of the mods in the mod section worked 😂

[lean verge]

ShaderGlass makes this game look SO FREAKING GOOD when you have it dialed in

can almost perfectly replicate a CRT monitor

soft glow effect, dithered and blended pixels that make Cacodemon corpses and pinki corpses all of a sudden make a lot more visual sense, highly highly recommended

[oblique plaza]

what order should the wads/dehs be set in the ZDL file pls? (kdikdizd, deh, weapons...) thanks

[oblique plaza]

u are right! Forsaken Compound (D1 E1), not bad

[pine violet]

Think that's a problem with people uploading GZDoom mods rather than mbf and lower mods

[snow loom]

I've installed like 7 my houses, 3 of the thing you can't defeat, and lawn mower doom and they're all kex assertion failures lmao

[finite crag]

You guys should try Project Malice

I've played it with EOA Eternal and hell, they are an addictive combination

Even though for some reasons, the monsters in PM are surprisingly vulnerable to EOA weapons

[hexed thicket]

why did people upload pk3s on the kex port

like you know it doesnt work

[pine violet]

https://youtube.com/shorts/HT5FhG0_fpY?feature=shared I don't see why this wouldn't be canon considering it's from a magazine meant to supplement the game

[spice radish]

It’s not canon since the devs never officially confirmed or agreed with it even if it doesn’t conflict with existing lore

[copper geyser]

https://youtu.be/fz2Ex-3UWZg?si=-GQ08JbEpTLouE6N

Around minute 5:20, Gregor Punchatz (guy who sculpted the DOOM demons like Mancubus and Spidermastermind, and also the son of the artist behind the OG Doom Box Art) talks about the original concept send by Id Software

[snow loom]

It's so frustrating

Like I get it happening for the first couple of months the mod page is up but I'm still finding newly uploaded mods that don't work on kex

[mortal hound]

Good afternoon to all my dear friends

[zinc tulip]

Yo so I been playing doom one on hurt me plenty and after I complete each chapter I start a new one with none of my weapons only a pistol is that normal?

[twin mortar]

Yes

[zinc tulip]

Ok

[zinc tulip]

While I have the bfg I'ma use it then

[wet elk]

Yes, absolutely

[midnight bough]

Oh boy…

poor soul
you have no idea how doom it gets

[zinc tulip]

Idm It still easy to do but I'm just curious

Also what order should I play the games I have absolutely no idea about anything

[midnight bough]

the doom is going to doom the doom doom doom doom

Uh wdym

Like games total or like episodes

[wet elk]

It's going in normal order, don't worry

[zinc tulip]

No I mean like all the doom games what order should I play them in

[midnight bough]

U mean the games in doom 1 + 2 menu?

[wet elk]

First the doom episodes and then 2

[zinc tulip]

No I mean like the entire doom ganes

[midnight bough]

BRUH

[twin mortar]

Eh, kind of, kind of not

[zinc tulip]

Games

[wet elk]

3 and 2016 are already different

[midnight bough]

Sigil…

[twin mortar]

Do the first three DOOM episodes, then DOOM II, then the fourth DOOM episode, if you wanna play the duology

[wet elk]

[zinc tulip]

What fourth doom episode

[twin mortar]

Thy Flesh Consumed

[wet elk]

Thanks for the clarification

[zinc tulip]

Eh screw it I don't have enough sleep I'ma just play in random orders

[wet elk]

the fourth time where you appear without weapons

[zinc tulip]

I lost count

[twin mortar]

It's the fourth option when you press new game and it asks you which episode

[zinc tulip]

I'ma jus play in random order

[wet elk]

what mission are you on? you can pin it by pressing the "tab" key

[zinc tulip]

I'm on xbxo

House of pain

[wet elk]

E3M4

[zinc tulip]

Ughh I can't find the red door

[wet elk]

Also that

[zinc tulip]

Hm?

[wet elk]

He can do that to find out what episode he's on

[zinc tulip]

Who

[midnight bough]

PAIN

[wet elk]

Watch a tutorial, although it is more fun to search

[midnight bough]

Oh yeah tutorials

[zinc tulip]

I found it

[midnight bough]

Bigmacdavis is the godsend

[wet elk]

In the options menu

[wet elk]

Oh nice

[zinc tulip]

It says
"Quick:inferno
E3M4: house of pain

[twin mortar]

When you finish this episode, go to DOOM II

[wet elk]

You are on the fourth mission of episode three

[zinc tulip]

Ok

I'm on 5th mission now

[wet elk]

Nice

[zinc tulip]

Wait what's the boss for ep 3?

[wet elk]

Spoiler

It's a cyberdemon

[zinc tulip]

Oh wait I thought I already fought it there's another?

[wet elk]

Yes

[zinc tulip]

Ok

I'ma try get more bfg ammo then

[wet elk]

But that's a normal mission, so it's even more difficult

[wet elk]

In that mission there is

[zinc tulip]

Ok

Nvm I'ma watch tutorial coz there's 4 portals in each corner in front of 2 doors and it just teleports me to same place in the middle

[wet elk]

Oh, that mission is pretty confusing

[zinc tulip]

Ye

[wet elk]

[zinc tulip]

I somehow did it without a tutorial and my brain hurts now

Damn I have to fight cyber demon noe

Now

[wet elk]

After finishing that chapter, like the man said, go play Doom 2

[twin mortar]

Isn't it a Spider Mastermind?

[wet elk]

The one from episode three? Nope, the Spider Mastermind appears in episode four

[twin mortar]

....no? Cyberdemon is the boss of E2, Mastermind is the boss of both E3 and E4

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/E3M8:_Dis_(Doom).

[zinc tulip]

Anyone know what to do in E3M6

[finite crag]

wrong that would be the mother demon

[zinc tulip]

I'm lazy I'ma just play in random mission order

[wet elk]

Oh

[twin mortar]

How does that equate to laziness

[wet elk]

I was confused, sorry

[twin mortar]

All good, even the best make mistakes

[zinc tulip]

Idkk I jus wanna play tho

[wet elk]

Explore, that level is still confusing because there is a lot of lava

[zinc tulip]

I'ma see if chatgpt might work

[wet elk]

Thanksss

[zinc tulip]

Nvm

[wet elk]

Alright

[twin mortar]

ChatGPT is unreliable, best to look up a BigMacDavis video

[zinc tulip]

I'll try

[wet elk]

That or search speedruns on YT

[zinc tulip]

Done I think

[twin mortar]

Speedruns are fun to watch even outside of just wanting to blaze through a level, and then when you try and speedrun it yourself and do good...

[zinc tulip]

I feel bad about watching a tutorial TwT

[wet elk]

Yeppp although it costs quite a bit

[wet elk]

Normal

[zinc tulip]

Oki

[twin mortar]

A speedrun I've always loved to perform is in E2; don't remember which level but you can get to the exit door with an incredibly tight rocket jump

[vale gyro]

Yeah, 100% normal to watch tutorials for those more confusing levels.

[zinc tulip]

Ok

[wet elk]

Rocket jumps are quite useful, I'm going to see which level of E2 it helped you on

[twin mortar]

(Flashing lights warning)
https://youtu.be/u1MwwzAl0Ic?si=KqE37dGJ65dQ_4Wi

[wet elk]

Niceee

I imagine it can be done without immortality, but with armor

[twin mortar]

Probably, though the map has multiple invulernability spheres so no point in risking it

[zinc tulip]

In the doom 1+2 pack are the other games part of the game?

[wet elk]

I guess so

[zinc tulip]

Ok

[vale gyro]

What’s included is

• Doom 1 & Ultimate Doom
• Doom 2
• Final Doom
• Master Levels For Doom 2
• Legacy of Rust
• Sigil (sadly just the base soundtrack)
• No Rest For The Living

[zinc tulip]

Are they apart of the campain/story tho should I play or nah?

I'm not new to doom games I just know nothing about it TwT

[vale gyro]

Sigil is completely fan-made. LoR being canon is ambiguous, Final Doom isn’t really considered canon, same with the Master Levels.

Overall, just play them

They’re fun to play

[zinc tulip]

Wait what's ultimate doom

[zinc tulip]

I'll try

[vale gyro]

The 4th episode of Doom 1

It was released after Doom 2 and is technically its own game

[zinc tulip]

Should I play doom 3 or doom 64 after doom 2 which came out after doom 2

[vale gyro]

Play both of them

[zinc tulip]

Ohhh lol I'm nearly done already

[vale gyro]

Although people usually see Doom 64 as canon but not really 3

[zinc tulip]

Hmm I'ma try doom 2 then doom 64 then doom 3 then doom 2016 then doom eternal

[vale gyro]

But yeah, still play both

[zinc tulip]

Oki

[vale gyro]

All the games are good

[wet elk]

Yes

[vale gyro]

No reason to at least try them

[zinc tulip]

I can't wait for the new doom game to be out but I wonder how expensive it would be TwT

[zinc tulip]

I've tried doom 3 but I suxkk

[vale gyro]

I will say Eternal will be a big shift in gameplay

Eternal doesn’t play like a Doom game, it plays like someone on crack

[wet elk]

It's a pretty "different" Doom

[zinc tulip]

I've tried on hurt me plenty but nothing else Soo if I complete that I'll try nightmare TwT

[zinc tulip]

Is the shotgun bad

[vale gyro]

Eh, not really

[zinc tulip]

Oki

I can't believe I always die to the first imp I encounter tho xD I'm horrible with the pistol

[vale gyro]

The pistol just fucking sucks

[zinc tulip]

Ik TwT I can't find any other weapons before that tho so I keep dying to the imps

Like the first group of them U encounter when going up the stairs at start of the game TwT

[wet elk]

You would have to run

[vale gyro]

Yeah, you don’t get the shotgun for a bit

[zinc tulip]

Oh your not meant to kill them?

[vale gyro]

You are

[zinc tulip]

Ohh ok

[wet elk]

In the classic Dooms not necessarily

[zinc tulip]

Oki I'll try ig

[wet elk]

Okkk

[zinc tulip]

Wait so is doom one only 4 episodes?

[vale gyro]

Doom 1 is technically only 3 episodes

[zinc tulip]

Oki

[vale gyro]

Well, until Ultimate Doom released

[zinc tulip]

I'm on 4th one TwT

[vale gyro]

then it had 4 episodes

[zinc tulip]

Ohh Soo I think I'm on doom Ultimate now but idk

[vale gyro]

You might be

Btw those levels are tough as hell

[wet elk]

The four was created by fans, wasn't it?

[vale gyro]

So don’t feel bad for save scumming or looking up tutorials

[zinc tulip]

I'm out rn but I'll check if I am when I get back

[vale gyro]

No, not at all. It’s 100% official

[wet elk]

Oooh

Thanks

But it is removed from the chronology, it has to be played after Doom 2

[twin mortar]

The only semi-official releases we got were TNT Evilution, Master Levels for DOOM II and Maximum DOOM

[wet elk]

Nice

[vale gyro]

I also sorta throw anything not directly made by id in that list but that’s just me

[wet elk]

Plutonia was already created entirely by fans then

[vale gyro]

You’re more correct than I am

[twin mortar]

Those are official though and not fanmade, that's a bit of a clear line

[zinc tulip]

Are there any achievements for doom 1,2, and 64

[vale gyro]

Yeah

[twin mortar]

Yes, though there's reports it was commissioned by id Software, making it official and not licensed

This claim has been contested a few times though iirc

[zinc tulip]

Yay

[vale gyro]

Though I personally can’t use the achievements because I use community source ports

I’m not that big a fan of the official ones

Usually there’s something wrong with the movement

Or they fix a bug that I’d rather left unfixed (like BFG fixing the random pitch)

[wet elk]

Interesting, although if it is denied then idk

[twin mortar]

It's not confirmed true or false eitherway I believe

I mean it's been contested because there's claims that a lot of maps were already in the making before id commissioned the Casalis

[zinc tulip]

Are there DLCs for doom 3

[twin mortar]

No, there's an expansion pack for the 2004 version though

It's bundled in with another campaign in the BFG Edition

[wet elk]

I'm surprised no one has asked an id Shoftware developer yet

[zinc tulip]

Wdym 2004 version there's multiple?

[wet elk]

Nop

[twin mortar]

There's two main versions, 2004 and BFG

You get both by buying it on Steam

[zinc tulip]

Hm I wonder which one I have then

[zinc tulip]

I'm on xboxx

[twin mortar]

Then you have the BFG Edition

[zinc tulip]

I'ma try save up for 2004 one on steam as well then :33

[twin mortar]

Enjoy

[wet elk]

Okk, good luck

[zinc tulip]

TwT I'm worried now how much is?

[wet elk]

Doom 3 $2.39 in Steam

[zinc tulip]

Hmmm if I get it idk if it will run on my laptop

Is it on Xbox or nah

[twin mortar]

No the 2004 version isn't on current-gen

[zinc tulip]

Dann

[twin mortar]

It's an old game your laptop will very likely manage

[wet elk]

Yes

$10

[zinc tulip]

Hmm okk I'll probably get it next year then

[wet elk]

Nicee

[zinc tulip]

I'm confused now

[twin mortar]

Only the BFG Edition is on current-gen Xbox

[wet elk]

Oh

And there is also Doom 3 on Xbox

[twin mortar]

That's the BFG Edition

It's just named DOOM 3

[wet elk]

Oooh, I already understood, thanks

[zinc tulip]

Wait what's the difference between 2004 version and the bfg one?

[twin mortar]

There's a few ones

Some notably ones are:

[zinc tulip]

Ok

[twin mortar]

-BFG has 2x ammo
-BFG's flashlight is not seperate
-Lighting differences

[zinc tulip]

Wait so is it practically the same game other then that?

[wet elk]

I thought it was a different game

[zinc tulip]

Is it or nah

[wet elk]

Is it

[zinc tulip]

Idk? TwT

[wet elk]

Is itt

[zinc tulip]

Idkk? Hehe

[wet elk]

Is ittt

[twin mortar]

Yes BFG is a remaster

[zinc tulip]

TwT ask the person with the meat ball pfp they seem like they know alot

[zinc tulip]

Ohhhh ok

Oh wait I'm dumb that's not a meatball

Wait why aren't there any mancubus in doom1?

[wet elk]

It's a cacodemon

[wet elk]

They do not exist

[zinc tulip]

Why they gotta make it look like yummy meat balls from far away :<<