classic-doom

[coarse igloo]

e4m6 is not that hard, save that invulnerability for the cyberdemon

[sterile raven]

How do you trigger the 5 baron secret so I know how to avoid it

I only know about the rocket launcher

but I might forget

[charred ermine]

I believe you have to click hump on the left wall in the nin room and then run outside to not get trapped

[twin mortar]

Interact you mean? But isn't getting trapped the main point

[sterile raven]

nin?

[charred ermine]

Uhh

[twin mortar]

The NIN logo is gone in the newer versions, bread doesn't know what the room is

[coarse igloo]

https://youtu.be/lVWzUydxITY?t=35

[twin mortar]

It's where you get one of the keys, it's filled with Imps

[coarse igloo]

you touch that torch

[sterile raven]

Oh NIN stands for nine inch nails right

[twin mortar]

I see I see

[sterile raven]

they did a song in quake just asking

[charred ermine]

Fr? That's something i never knew

[sterile raven]

They did the theme for Quake I think

their logo’s on the ammo for the nailgun

[twin mortar]

They made the entire Quake OST

Saying they did just the theme is a bit funky

[sterile raven]

they did? odd

[twin mortar]

A remix of their song is also used as the credits for DOOM 2005

[twin mortar]

Quake isn't your typical action game where you're a badass hero, if you delve into the Ranger's story a bit it's disturbing, that's why there's no metal guitars every second of the game, it's ambience

[sterile raven]

it’s just that the main theme is this cool metal theme and then the rest of the game is just atmospheric slightly unnerving songs

[twin mortar]

Yeah that's because that's what Quake is

[sterile raven]

and then quake 2 throws all that away because it originally wasn’t meant to be a quake game

entire soundtrack is good

[coarse igloo]

the first one
then q2 came 😄

and I absolutely prefer the q2 soundtrack tbh

[twin mortar]

Well that's a low bar, the Q2 OST is great

[coarse igloo]

thats what I meant. I love the q2 ost

quake 1's soundtrack is a bit too much quiet. a little bit intense here and there wouldnt have hurt

[twin mortar]

And I was agreeing 😛

[coarse igloo]

ah ok^^

[acoustic pagoda]

wait i was meant to join the fallout server

[coarse igloo]

you did all right

join the elite franchise! 😄

[deft bloom]

i think i have some inspiration for doom 1 e1 m1 music other then no remorse
seek and destroy near the end

[twin mortar]

Wut?

[deft bloom]

metallica seek and destroy at the end.

[finite crag]

The incinerator is an awful replacement for the plasma rifle

[vale gyro]

am I the only one that likes it??

[azure nimbus]

(I'm mostly thinking of Heartland when I say this but it's super similar): The flamethrower range is really awkward. Too far and the projectiles land too early. Too close and you burn yourself. There isn't really a happy range for it

[coarse igloo]

it replaces it? no additional weapon?

hmm

[azure nimbus]

Traditionally, that's how doom weapon mods work. They're slotted into the usual weapon slots instead of the usual one. MBF21 might support fully additional weapons but idk. GZ doom does for sure

[bitter parcel]

I played a doom 1 mod that is half life 1 in doom really Short

[finite crag]

idk how but in this video its possible to have both the calamity blade and the BFG
https://youtu.be/TCCFdOl_CP0?si=COOFkR9eDK4Zrzjv

[twin mortar]

Because of IDKFA I assume

[vale gyro]

That wouldn’t be it at all

As Calamity isn’t a separate weapon

It replaces the BFG outright

[twin mortar]

Huh interesting

[merry nacelle]

Just beat doom 2 with the EOA mod

(Turns doom into doom 2016)

[icy fulcrum]

I finished playing Zpack Rejuvenated yesterday

It was a very good wad and a blast from the past https://www.moddb.com/mods/zpack-rejuvenated-random-maps-for-zdoom

[main marten]

does anyone play brutal doom with paralax lighting?

[coarse igloo]

I always wonder why people type in idkfa when they only want the weapons and not also the keys 😄

idfa would be just the weapons

[main marten]

dont know

[merry nacelle]

Idkfa is literally part of my phone password

[hazy depot]

Did you ever solve this? I'm having the same error when trying Save or Load a game since last month. Console also.

[coral wedge]

No, sadly

[glass forum]

try asking around in the gzdoom server

[oblique plaza]

so do u guys prefer mancubi, harkubi or scrapjack?

[vale gyro]

?

[gusty falcon]

I'm starting to use chase cam when I'm not in combat

It seems to lessen the strain quite abit

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/473931297987887106/1305173602676768811/Screenshot_20241110-085237.png?ex=67321123&is=6730bfa3&hm=f765265842b8c5844f8697f8bd2f0a2dbdc823b9d984d44dc26213213592fb01&

[sick mist]

Please tell me ur at least using a controller

[gusty falcon]

Absolutely

Old photo but this is what I'm using

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/473931297987887106/1305177153628934185/IMG_20240709_205259.jpg?ex=67321472&is=6730c2f2&hm=b3349a22c33c02e39f41abaf579c150ad5d634727beb87acef0b2e211364c863&

I used to play it with keyboard and mouse on my tablet

But that's far too Motion sick inducing for me now

[sick mist]

Thank god

[gusty falcon]

I've never really used the touch controls in the open touch apps outside of just testing them briefly and for extra buttons

[static parrot]

top 5 worst master levels.
That one level where you need to walk on an invisible ledge for a key
those 2 maze like levels on titan.
Express Elevator.
Mephisto's Mausoleum

everything else is pretty average

[twin mortar]

Why does everyone hate TEETH wtf that's the best one

[static parrot]

it's too cramped

[twin mortar]

I like the puzzle aspect of it

[finite crag]

I love Mephisto's Mausoleum

[static parrot]

i can't wait to get to nerve.

i love that one

[twin mortar]

Nerve? DOOM 360 reference?

[median cloud]

I agree

[whole olive]

chat ive currently got D3 and SIGIL on the go, just finished No Rest for the Living (not going to do Final Doom or Master Levels for Doom 2), after SIGIL should i continue D3, do Legacy of Rust or go straight do Doom 2016

[red harbor]

yeah its a bit cramped but the idea is great

[twin mortar]

Do D3

[gusty falcon]

If you have the same controller I can just link you to the one i bought

Do you have a ps4 controller?

[olive sluice]

nice

[serene timber]

Can someone help me with this TC I wanna do

[vale gyro]

Would help if you shared what format and engine you're doing this in

[serene timber]

I wanna do a vanilla TC baised on this game I made like a few years ago

I sent a screen shot of it so far in #classic-doom-maps-mods

[vale gyro]

I'd help if I could

looks quite neat

[serene timber]

do you have any knowledge of dehacking?

[vale gyro]

some, yes

[serene timber]

I aint got a clue

[vale gyro]

you don't know what tools to use n' such?

[serene timber]

nope

Im just using an outdated version of slade as of rn

[vale gyro]

it'd probably be easier to make the patches with WhackEd4

as you don't have to guess how the hell to change things with it

[serene timber]

well im just doing the sprites right now

[vale gyro]

ah

[primal tree]

Hello, somebody can answer me a question?

I m not good with english lenguage, excuse me

I will try to explain my question

[primal tree]

I played Doom+Doom 2, Steam version. In Sigil's E1M2 Sheol, I see fps drops in certain areas, especially when there is a cacodemon near the end. I played the same map on the PS4 version and this doesn't happen. I would like to know if it could be a problem with my PC or if it is some kind of bug in the PC version

It goes without saying that I use MSI afterburner to monitor the fps and when this happens it does not register any drop in frames but it is something that is noticeable. I hope you understand me.

thanks everybody

[serene timber]

It might be a problem with your PC but also Sigil was not designed for the regular DOS source port, this could be to the DOOM+DOOM II source port being based off DOS. Also Cacodemons have some semi complicated code with the biting animation so it might be that too. Also you PC might just be trash

[vale gyro]

Doom + Doom 2 natively supports Sigil

it's ID24 compat

which means it supports vanilla, limit removing, Boom, MBF, and MBF21 maps

more than likely it's a PC issue

also, source ports are never based on the DOS version

as the source code for that has never been published

[serene timber]

I kinda felt like it wasnt the source port because why would they have it if its not supported

[serene timber]

Im stupid, sorry

[vale gyro]

you're fine

[vale gyro]

although, it could be a massive optimization issue of the port

try running Sigil under a port like Woof and/or DSDA-Doom

if the issues persist even in those ports, there's something wrong with your computer

[primal tree]

It is not a current computer but it is not like that happened with Doom. The graphics card is a GTX 1060 and the processor is an FX 8350. I don't think they are bad specs for running Doom.

[primal tree]

Excuse my ignorance, how do I do that?

ah ok, you talk about source ports, I understand

[vale gyro]

Yes, I am

Basically you take the IWADs from your Doom + Doom 2 download and put them in the same folder as either one of those ports

You need to download Sigil from John Romero’s website

Put Sigil into that folder

You then want to drag DOOM.WAD and the Sigil WAD onto the source port exe

[primal tree]

I understand

[scarlet river]

Or you can use the cmd in windows,let's say for example you use the woof source port,it could look like this:

.\woof.exe -iwad ..\DOOM_WADS\DOOMU.WAD -file ..\DOOM_WADS\SIGIL.WAD

[primal tree]

must I put this way in sorce port´s folder? ¿right?

[scarlet river]

Yes,the ".\ " means I want to run a file in the current directory

[primal tree]

Can you undestand me? I m bad for english

excuse me bro

[scarlet river]

No!,I can 😅

[primal tree]

thnaks bro

thanks*

[primal tree]

I undestand

[winged surge]

Ummm I started a section with my Bethesda account in Doom 2 and they gave me an "exclusive item" for being in Slayers Club, but I can't find anything like that in the game. Does anyone know what it is?

[twin mortar]

Bronze Doom Marine skin in DOOM Eternal

[winged surge]

Ohhh thx

[vale gyro]

You can but I decided to make it a tad simpler.

Not many people can exactly decipher and use a terminal/command line that well

[serene timber]

It also could depend on what resolution you're playing the game at, its not much but I'd give it a try at the original resolution

[primal tree]

It is one of the strange things precisely because I have it in the classic graphic definition and something strange is also that I do not remember having noticed that loss of frames before, that is, in the version of Doom before Doom + Doom 2

[serene timber]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-guy-twerk-gif-25604234

[vestal crown]

So this is a question I don't entirely know if if I can phrase right, but:

I have a bunch of gameplay mods and a need to concisely test whether they'll need monster replacements to remain challenging. You guys have recommendations for maps / small map packs that are simple with overpowered mods (eg: Russian Overkill, Project GHAG, Codename: Demolionist), but difficult by regular standards? (vanilla Doom, Combined Arms, Final Doomer)

Not really looking for Okuplok levels of slaughter, just enough to send home the point of "yeah I would probably need to quicksave to beat this map with closer to vanilla balance".

[serene timber]

I would say sunlust or the way ID did it

[vestal crown]

I've been playing through Ancient Aliens with various Bring Your Own Class characters and that's pretty much my butter zone at the moment

[royal mirage]

What’s the best official doom wad

[vestal crown]

In terms of IWADs? I feel like you're gonna get a lot of subjective answers about that one chief. But if you ask me, it's No Rest for the Living.

[oblique plaza]

so Don's brother owned Doom (plus Fallout etc.)...

[coarse igloo]

Plutonia and Plutonia 2, Valiant (with pistol starts, has custom stuff though), Speed of Doom (but the last maps are slaughters)

[vestal crown]

In retrospect chaingunner hell probably should have been an obvious choice lmao

[coarse igloo]

You will probably really enjoy Valiant if you liked ancient aliens, because its from the same map author

He recommends doing pistol starts though. Its compatible with continous play but he recommends pistol starts. I did pistol starts and it was indeed real fun like that

In GZDoom the dynamic lights on all the candles at the map candlecove looked so beautiful

[finite crag]

The deep universe megawad released this year

[spice radish]

Easily No Rest For The Living and Legacy of Rust

[royal mirage]

Ooo

[oblique plaza]

so do y'all like the new Semper Fidelis (3 maps for Doom 2) wad?

[polar tendon]

i'm trying to play mods via doomlauncher + gzdoom

for example. but the myhouse2.wad doesn't seem to load

[celest coyote]

Link? Sounds cool

[finite crag]

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/107592-finished-the-deep-universe-my-new-32-level-megawad/

I adored it, really good !

[unreal pike]

can we use jsdos to play doom in doomworld or doom wiki?

[celest coyote]

Ty 🙂

[vale gyro]

You sure those folders are in your root?

Because the command looks fine

Unless there’s a capitalization problem, because Linux actually cares about that (assuming your on Linux due to the home folder”

[polar tendon]

which root?

that's the command that doomlauncher generated

i sorta got these working i'm just unclear on uh

[vale gyro]

The root of your file system

[polar tendon]

yeah of course

[vale gyro]

Maybe remove the config flag idk

[polar tendon]

https://imgur.com/Mp33aCt

[vale gyro]

Any errors that pop up?

[polar tendon]

i'm just unclear on mods vs map packs in this window, really

config thing doesnt change anything afaict

[vale gyro]

Probably no different in this case

I would personally port my launcher to Linux if I could

All you really can do is with Wine, sadly

Hmm

[polar tendon]

well there's launchers for linux

[vale gyro]

I’m aware

I doubt it will do anything

But remove the config flag, see if anything changes

also how is it “not working?”

[polar tendon]

IWAD DOOM2.wad, map pack MYHOUSE2.WAD. boots into this...

https://i.imgur.com/Ejrryl4.png

which is default doom2 right?

[vale gyro]

That map does not look like default Doom 2 at all

[polar tendon]

(i don't know that)

[vale gyro]

Load into game if you haven’t

[polar tendon]

that would have been a good start lol let me try

https://imgur.com/1Rr4N6K this right?

[vale gyro]

Ok, that’s map01

Check the txt, it should tell you what map to load into

[polar tendon]

the text for the mod? that was me booting into nothing (vanilla doom2)

[vale gyro]

Yeah. Mods usually come with txts that include info like the map name/number, engine, etc

It might be using a non-standard map name

Which in that case needs to be manually loaded into

Or if it’s just on a later map than map01

[polar tendon]

how do you load into the map *. it says Episode: MAP01 in the txt

[vale gyro]

Ok yeah, wtf?

Something ain’t loading right, then

[polar tendon]

you know the mod in question right

[vale gyro]

Nope, I don’t run GZDoom and GZDoom-specific mods

[polar tendon]

it's just a normal doom mod

[vale gyro]

Send me the WAD. Will debug when I get home

But also send me the txt

[polar tendon]

ill DM you

[vale gyro]

That’ll work

Just tell me when you send the message request

I think my Discord’s bugging all to hell

[polar tendon]

actually not sure it's uh

different than the mod. i gotta look up a youtube vid

hmm yeah looks like a texture loading issue

[polar tendon]

gzdoom pissing me off lol

[vale gyro]

Send the files to my DMs

Could be an issue in overlooking

[vale gyro]

Piracy is a crime, y'all

[novel estuary]

Dont pirate... pirate bad

[calm cradle]

oh boy

Not firing on all cylinders, are we boys?

[vestal crown]

Why would one pirate when FreeDoom is a thing

...I should probably try that sometime actually, been meaning to see how it compares to commercial Doom

[vale gyro]

it's fine, actually

the levels are quite fun

[wide sinew]

Going Down and Going Down Turbo have been added to the "Featured Mods" section of Doom + Doom II, meaning they're able to be played in the Switch version.

Unfortunately they weren't added into the mobile versions of Doom and Doom II tho since those are still the Unity ports

I still hate Nintendo for limiting the Switch port to "Featured Mods". Luckily I have the PS4 version of Doom + Doom II as well, so I do indeed have a console version with the mod browser that I can play, but it still sucks that you can't just play whatever mod you want on Switch, especially since Switch is my console of choice.

[vestal crown]

Going Down was one of the Cyriak wads wasn't it

More a fan of Overboard myself but it still facinates me how his sense of humour translates to Doom mapping

[azure nimbus]

Cyriak "Mouldy" Harris yeah

[vale gyro]

I loved Overboard

Never played the NG+, though

Only the base levels + the demo map

[neon drift]

master levels ''express to hell'' is officialy the worst thing i've played on doom so far

[twin mortar]

Everyone hates this map but I love it

[neon drift]

not even talking about that one room with 5 or 6 chaingunners on UV but rather that one battle i barely made it out with just 4 shotgun shells and 1 rocket

i thought it started nice but it goes to hell very quickly, i didn't go for all secrets so that might've screwed me a bit more

i appreciate the next level letting you take a breath

[twin mortar]

I was a bit confused about the next level part, forgot D+D2 makes them a campaign

[finite crag]

I just hate the archvile jump you have to make for the secret exit

[supple thunder]

my xbox has xbox 360 version of classic doom both 1 and 2 and now they arnt in store anymore

so my xbox is superior

[twin mortar]

Do you own them digitally or on disc

@supple thunder

[supple thunder]

digitally

[twin mortar]

Zamn that's sick

[unreal pike]

anything other than doom can be ran in dos doom?

[azure nimbus]

please don't let the MLs pull you away from trying more stuff. The MLs are weridly bad. Custom stuff is great

[neon drift]

I won't, i have heard talks about how specificly MLs isn't the best, it has some goods though like the black tower level

i have also tried some custom stuff like BD: Hell on Earth and Knee deep in the jungle and loved it

also finished master levels finally 😼 that final level though, had to depend on the monsters getting stuck on each other to shoot the icon of sin again, never again

[vestal crown]

The 90s / early 00s had a trend of people more or less basically swiping random levels from the internet and cramming them onto discs to resell as "mega collections" or whatever arbitrary term was hot at the time. Master Levels is just the one that has the unfortunate distinction of being more or less official.

It's interesting as an insight into period-accurate fan made levels, but imo not much more

...I remember finding a lot of it works weirdly good with Hideous Destructor though

[twin mortar]

The MLs are contracted, I'd say it doesn't apply to this; though the original releases came with Maximum DOOM, which is a more or less official internet mega collection

[vestal crown]

Maybe that was what I was thinking of

I didn't mean to imply the Master Levels were stolen similarly to the rest of those though, so much as that it exists as kind of a weird reflection of them. I probably could have worded that better

[wide sinew]

Habitat in TNT: Evilution is FAR worse. Seriously, that map is SO shitty

Probably the worst official Doom map

It's so bad that even its page on the Doom Wiki says "It is considered by many to be the worst level in TNT: Evilution.".

[vestal crown]

Final Doom's map design makes more sense in hindsight when you realize it's also fanmade maps granted official status

Though outliers like that notwithstanding I'd still rather play them than Master Levels

[twin mortar]

Half of it at least

Imagine how pissed people were on TNT's planned release day lol

[wide sinew]

Yeah, Plutonia is actually fantastic

TNT not so much

[vestal crown]

It was before my time but I remember hearing people of the day being really pissed off that they would have to pay for what was essentially fan megawads

[wide sinew]

That's no longer a valid complaint since they now come with Doom + Doom II

[twin mortar]

I'd consider myself a huge DOOM fan but I haven't cleared both Final DOOM campaigns yet

[vestal crown]

I mean I'm speaking from the perspective of the day they first released

Obviously a lot of things and standards have changed since then

[twin mortar]

They have been bundled universally since 2022, first standalone bundle of them was in 2012

[vestal crown]

And yeah Doom + Doom II bundled a lot of stuff together

[twin mortar]

D+D2 hype was huge, to me it was DCC 2.0

[wide sinew]

I started my mission to beat all official Classic Doom levels back in 2019 when the Unity ports released, and only finished recently

[twin mortar]

How official are we talking

Maximum DOOM included?

[wide sinew]

Hell no

[vestal crown]

I assume "everything Wadsmoosh is compatible with"

[twin mortar]

Laaame.
Just kidding. Having a life is fun 😛

[wide sinew]

Yeah, and Legacy of Rust

[vestal crown]

Myself I think I'm only missing the Sigils and Rust

[twin mortar]

Did you like the experience though? I'd recommend Heretic/Hexen if so (assuming you haven't played them)

[twin mortar]

Same + Final DOOM though I'm not really planning on playing through SIGIL II, not yet at least

[wide sinew]

100%. It's what made me as big of a fan as I am today

[vestal crown]

Heretic's level design is weird, later episodes incentivize a lot of obscure switch hunting to the point that the secrets are often easier to find than the actual intended path through the level

[wide sinew]

Oh trust me, even without playing through Maximum Doom I still don't have a life lol

[vestal crown]

I can at least say I finished that though and had a decent amount of fun with it

Hexen is obnoxious

[wide sinew]

I don't have a job or a driver's license and I'm 25

[twin mortar]

Unity ports introduced me to the series though I strangely feel more nostalgia to the 360/BFG/PSN versions

[vestal crown]

The IWADs for No Rest For The Living can be extracted from Doom 3 / the recently released Doom 1 + 2 iirc

[twin mortar]

I'm still at E2M1 in Heretic. RAGE has kept me busy, then did Half-Life: Source, and now I am just busy with life

[wide sinew]

All the wads can

[vestal crown]

Which I guess isn't the same as playing on authentic console hardware

But NRFTL is an incredible mapset

[twin mortar]

Yeah playing it on 360 is great, though the 360 port can be really hard to get used to

[vestal crown]

OG Doom is like, genuinely the only FPS I'd ever play with a gamepad

[wide sinew]

I've done Quake II and Quake II 64 as well, and did quite a bit of Quake I (though I never finished Quake I)

[twin mortar]

I'm a console gamer mainly so I've gotten pretty good at FPS games with a controller

Though by getting used to I mean the controls

[wide sinew]

Same

[twin mortar]

You switch weapons with Y and B and your aim sensitvity jumps up a lot when you sprint

[vestal crown]

I like Quake 1 over Quake 2 and it always annoyed the hell out of me that they discarded the eldritch backdrop of 1 for... whatever the hell the strogg from Q2 onwards were

[twin mortar]

ET:QW was good though

[vestal crown]

Yooooo I didn't think anyone else played that

[wide sinew]

Actually, my mission to beat all official Doom levels was done pretty much exclusively on the Switch lol

[vestal crown]

I never played it online though

[twin mortar]

I'm a hardcore nerd when it comes to id IPs

[vestal crown]

One of the better "bots for multiplayer centric games" games imo

[twin mortar]

The bots kick my ass on easy so I counterattack by running them over. Doing it in the little scooter is hilarious

[wide sinew]

Along with Doom 64, Doom 3, Doom (2016), and Doom Eternal (though I still haven't beaten TAG1 and 2. That shit is SO HARD!)

[twin mortar]

TAG 2 is the very opposite of hard

[vestal crown]

Oh right, I never got all the way through Doom 64 either

Less because of difficulty and more cos I found it pretty boring honestly?

[wide sinew]

Oh, well I wouldn't know, cuz I'm stuck on TAG1

[twin mortar]

I still need to get back to playing RtCW

[wide sinew]

Bruh, Doom 64 is the best Doom game

[vestal crown]

I will fight you on this

[wide sinew]

IT FUCKING IS

[twin mortar]

Last Wolf game I have left to finish the whole post-MUSE series (outside of the SoD MPs, I do not have a death wish)

[vestal crown]

That's spamming? Well whatever I guess =3=

[wide sinew]

I remember when you couldn't swear on this server. That was such a stupid thing to do for a community that swears like sailors lol

[twin mortar]

Literally 1984

[vestal crown]

Honestly I half expected the server to have a ban on posting gore lmao

[wide sinew]

Lol

[twin mortar]

Well it does

Not video game gore obviously

[vestal crown]

Semantics, you know I meant the fictional kind =V

But yeah uhhh

Doom 64 was pretty clearly built around limitations of operating on its console and kinda suffered for it imo

[wide sinew]

Hard disagree on it suffering for it, but I respect your opinion

[vestal crown]

Not even necessarily cos it's missing entire monsters and stuff, the level design was cramped as hell from what I remember of it

[twin mortar]

No Revenant? Sad

[vestal crown]

...honestly lack of revenants can only be a good thing lmao

[twin mortar]

I find them fun to fight

[vestal crown]

Never understood how the community saw a monster with infinite homing 80 damage rockets and somehow unanimously decided that was okay lmao

[wide sinew]

But did you guys see that the "Featured Mods" section in Doom + Doom II was updated with Going Down and Going Down Turbo?

[vestal crown]

I've never heard of Turbo what is that

[wide sinew]

It was made for it's 10th anniversary this year

[vestal crown]

Oh damn, I didn't think Cyriak was still mapping after Overboard

[wide sinew]

It's an update with tweaked levels and more toilets lol

But yeah, now Switch players have another mod to play

I'll never forgive Nintendo for not allowing the full mod browser in the Switch port. Luckily I have a PS4 with Doom 1 + 2 on it, but it's still really shitty how Nintendo did that

[vestal crown]

GZDoom can run on a potato so honestly for the most part you're better off extracting the IWADs from Steam and using that

I love the Switch and all but you mainly only use it for playing on the move or on the shitter lmao

[wide sinew]

I play using DeltaTouch sometimes

I'm much more of a console gamer than a PC gamer, so my go-to is Doom + Doom II rn. Though if a mod requires GZDoom, I'll play it on my phone on Delta Touch

My hacked PS Classic actually has LZDoom on it, so that's a thing lol

[vestal crown]

Man all these sourceports

The only ones I ever commit to memory are GZDoom (which has the bulk of modding support), Zandronum (basically the only good multiplayer sourceport) and Chocolate Doom (which for some reason is mandated by Archipelago)

[wide sinew]

I honestly don't think it can get much better than Doom + Doom II when it comes to official console ports. The only thing its missing is GZDoom mod support (which probably will never happen since GZDoom is copyrighted)

Like, there's nothing left to add

[vestal crown]

...what source does it use anyway

Is it one of the Unity forks or

[wide sinew]

It uses a new one, I forget what it's called

I'll look it up

[vale gyro]

I really dislike GZ imo

[vale gyro]

It uses KEX

[vestal crown]

I'm sure it does have issues but it's where all the mods are

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vale gyro]

Not any of the ones I care for

[wide sinew]

Kex is just a framework

[vale gyro]

Yes, but it’s still an engine

[wide sinew]

MBF-21

And ID-24

[vale gyro]

… fair point

[vestal crown]

Honestly I would like it more if it could use multiple cores

[vale gyro]

I’d like it more if it had better movement

[wide sinew]

Yeah, MBF-21 and ID-24 are what it uses

[vale gyro]

those are modding standards

NEITHER are engines

[wide sinew]

Oh

[vestal crown]

I'm not sure in what way GZDoom movement differs from like, the original DOS

I know there are subtle ones like not glitching collision detection to grab keys through walls or clip out of bounds

[vale gyro]

its physics are much different to me

to a point where it makes me sick

[wide sinew]

I like how you can make Doom + Doom II look vanilla af

[vestal crown]

I'm really not seeing it tbh

[vale gyro]

I guess I'm really sensitive to changes

but I've seen a good amount of vanilla players say the exact same thing I do

it just isn't right to me

[vestal crown]

Failing all else you could try ZMovement https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/106780-zmovement-321-final-version-unless-serious-bugs/

[vale gyro]

it never has at all

plus the stupid amount of setting up I have to do just to use it how I like it

I'd rather just use a port like Nugget Doom and not have to even set it up

[vestal crown]

For the most part I only remember having to set up resolution and disable sprite blurring

[wide sinew]

Go look in #screenshots, I posted my vanilla looking setup from my alt Switch account there

[vestal crown]

...fuck knows why the sprites are blurred by default, that is absolutely one thing I do hate about GZDoom

[wide sinew]

Yeah, I hate that too

[vale gyro]

I got to turn off

• Some of the new rendering
• Enemies throwing their dropped items
• Texture Filtering
• Rocket trails
• Blood stains
• Bullet holes
• Transparency

and a bunch of other stuff I can't even remember

and the rocket trails are a total pain in the ass to turn off at times

[vestal crown]

Bullet holes???

[wide sinew]

I just follow this vid: https://youtu.be/9JC8fnz_L3k

[vestal crown]

I mean this in the nicest way possible but do you have some kinda autism lmao

[vale gyro]

I swear to fucking god they have them in GZ by default

[vestal crown]

No I mean like, they do yes

That just seems like an incredibly strange fixation to me

[vale gyro]

I am a major purist

with the exception of few things

[wide sinew]

I turn off bullet holes too

[vestal crown]

I could have sworn even OG Doom had bullet decals but I've been wrong about that kind of thing before

[vale gyro]

nope

[wide sinew]

Nope

[vale gyro]

but yeah

why spend 20-30 minutes tinkering with GZ when all I play at most is MBF21?

I can just download Nugget Doom and be done

I do change some settings in it (like lowering the resolution scale to something more akin to Crispy Doom's High Res Rendering) but I otherwise don't even need to fiddle with the settings

[finite crag]

I still wonder what gzdoom setting is more accurate to vanilla doom sector lightning
Vanilla or software

[vale gyro]

software more than likely

[vestal crown]

I will say I prefer sector-based lighting in Doom overall

And for the most part OpenGL lighting in Doom is really jarring

[vale gyro]

unless GZDoom fucks up the software renderer, too

[vale gyro]

DSDA-Doom has it REALLY good in that regard

you can't even tell the difference between OpenGL and software with the exception of no skybox warping

[finite crag]

But some people say that software emulates the way zdoom handles sector lightning

[vestal crown]

Or well, sector based lighting and uhhh... what do they call them again. Brightmaps?

[vale gyro]

I actually quite like brightmaps

[wide sinew]

I actually only go full vanilla every once in a while. Otherwise I like max resolution with widescreen

[vale gyro]

I do widescreen with that lower res that's still playable

[vestal crown]

Playing with widescreen is a gamble cos there are mods that arbitrarily cut off held weapon sprites at the edge of what would otherwise have been 4:3

[vale gyro]

also some needed QoL like showing a berserk icon when you have it and no autoswitch of weapons when you pick up a weapon

istfg I would have a 10 minute video of every death caused by autoswitch

[vestal crown]

It's still funny to me that Berserk pickups last effectively the entire level and the red screen tint is purely visual

[vale gyro]

yeah

that's why I got the berserk icon thingy

so I can actually see if I have it or not lol

[wide sinew]

My regular Switch account uses widescreen, max res, and the Andrew Hulshult soundtrack, while my alternate Japanese Switch acoount that I use to get Japan exclusive games is setup to be vanilla as possible

[vale gyro]

the only two visual things I have are brightmaps and colored blood

[vestal crown]

I usually find that kind of thing hard to forget but I usually run chainsaw anyway instead

Crazy to me how many people don't realize you can stunlock arachnotrons with it

[vale gyro]

because Cacos having red blood really bothers me to a point where I get distracted

one thing I am considering turning off that isn't vanilla is the extra blood splats on gibbing

it looks nice but from what I can tell it fucks with the RNG table

[wide sinew]

And then I have it setup like my regular Switch account on my PS4

[vale gyro]

seeing it's one of the things that get disabled when you record a demo in Nugget Doom

[vestal crown]

Wait, blood splats don't use M_Random?

[vale gyro]

I think with Nugget Doom does the extra blood splats, it might use P_Random

I haven't dived into it's source code in a while, though

[wide sinew]

Sometimes I'll turn on green blood in Doom 64 because it reminds me of the GBA version (which is a system I grew up with), and because the Japanese version had green blood and I'm a fuckin weeb lol

[vale gyro]

for vanilla

I really don't know despite having made a Chocolate Doom fork

[vestal crown]

The Decino vid on OG Doom RNG facinates me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq3x1Jy8pYM

[vale gyro]

I actually have no clue how the blood splats are handled

it might be M_Random?

[vestal crown]

tl;dr Doom RNG isn't actually decided on the fly, they just have a table of 255 pre-randomized numbers and the game iterates down the list whenever an entity asks for an RNG call

[vale gyro]

only in vanilla

GZDoom, for example, completely forgoes this by default

[vestal crown]

what.

[vale gyro]

Boom also completely changes the RNG

[vestal crown]

Boom I did know of

[vale gyro]

I think it's still table based to an extent

but I can't remember on that exactly

MBF, MBF21, and ID24 might use modified Boom RNG

[wide sinew]

Is the DOS version that plays in DOSBox that comes with Doom I + II on Steam the same exact files that came on floppies in the '90s?

[vale gyro]

from what I could tell, yeah

[wide sinew]

That's sick

[vale gyro]

the IWADs are identical hash wise

[vale gyro]

although it is missing some exes I think

iirc the setup exe is gone

[vestal crown]

Didn't they do like, slight updates and patches throughout the 90s or so

[vale gyro]

and also some of the multiplayer exes

[vestal crown]

I swear there was at least one softlock they fixed later

[vale gyro]

Yeah, they did

that's why DSDA-Doom has so many complevels

so it can emulate older versions of the engine

[wide sinew]

Is there still SOME multiplayer exes tho?

[vale gyro]

I could check rq, hold on

I know for a fact all the DWANGO stuff is gone

[vestal crown]

Am I having a Berenstain Bears moment or didn't they used to have a soft lock for one of the early Plasma Rifles in Doom 1 E2

[wide sinew]

Cuz I wanna set up a vanilla Doom LAN party, that'd be sick

[vestal crown]

E1M2 I think?

[vale gyro]

OK. This only applies to Unity.

[vestal crown]

No, E2M2

[vale gyro]

It appears they added back in the setup exe in the KEX release

but yeah, all the multiplayer stuff is just gone

[wide sinew]

Awwwwwww, shit

[vale gyro]

it's missing

• IPXSETUP.EXE
• SERSETUP.EXE

and possibly more that I've forgotten

[wide sinew]

So I need an original Doom floppy to legally get those?

[vale gyro]

eh, not really

I don't think it's illegal to obtain them with other methods

[vestal crown]

Legally speaking isn't only the IWAD considered ID's property

[wide sinew]

Oh

[vale gyro]

DO NOT take my word for this, however

I know the main game's EXEs can be legally shared, but not sure about the others

[vestal crown]

It was my understanding that the engine was considered open source

[vale gyro]

it is

[wide sinew]

I'd assume it's okay if the main EXE is freeware

[vale gyro]

technically the EXEs found in the DOS release aren't actually

because the source code that's publicly available is for Linux Doom

a completely different port

also to my understanding the other EXEs found are not at all open sourced

I could be wrong, however

but I doubt it's illegal to obtain those files

seeing it's not game data (the IWAD)

yet again, don't take my word for it however

[wide sinew]

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/110970-the-vanilla-utilities/

I found this on Doomworld

[vale gyro]

wait

SOLO-NET may not even be a stock EXE, then

give me a bit, gonna do some research

[vale gyro]

if anyone can confirm or deny, tell me

I may have based my previous statements on false information otherwise

[wide sinew]

Yeah, the latest version of the Vanilla Utilities in the thread I just linked to are on Github

[vale gyro]

looking into it, SOLO-NET is not a stock utility that came with the game

I am editing older messages, hold on

I am really sorry

[wide sinew]

@vale gyro go check #screenshots

[royal mirage]

Opinons on legecy of rust?

And what the hell that name actually means?/j

[finite crag]

Aside from two maps and the incinerator, I think its a good wad

[finite crag]

Damn, i played map 28 of nova 1 with this midi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEmSwymakYY
It was fire

[unreal pike]

anything other than doom can be ran in dos doom?

[median cloud]

heretic maybe?

[vale gyro]

Heretic isn’t supported by DOSDoom iirc

[unreal pike]

idk what can be ran with TheZombieKiller's trick

[coarse igloo]

software

[coarse igloo]

you can change by now in gzdoom between software renderer and hardware while staying on vulkan or opengl. So you can change it back and forth while playing it
the SW Mode ist pretty accurate I would say

But I like the hardware mode.
Valiant's Candlecove just looks better when all the torches have dynamic light

[vestal crown]

I think I need help trying to remember the name of an ancient, possibly obscure gameplay mod I once played, I've been faintly nostalgic for it but I don't remember where to find it anymore aaaaaugh

• The artstyle reminded me of Zen Dynamics, though I don't know if Xaser made it
• There was a sawn off double shotty that looked really square-ish for some reason. It could fire both barrels independently and I don't think it was the only reloading weapon
• It had a crossbow weapon that spawned in place of one of the powerups for some reason (the blursphere I think?)
• I'm pretty sure it replaced the archviles with some loud, slow moving mecha enemy

Oh now I know why Zen reminded me of it, the double shotgun looked like basically a wider version of the pistol here at the timestamp https://youtu.be/09RDH3aoHeU?t=1440

[jade solstice]

Sadge having a lot of fun with the rerelease but still sad they haven’t fixed Modern Co Op - I did make a feedback/report ticket - I would think it would be an easy fix but I’m not a developer of course 🫠

It worked on launch- that’s what triggers me tbh lol and then it somehow broke

[jade solstice]

Bro I like eviternity a lot but I gotta say these bigger levels are too much 😆

I can’t tell where the heck I need to go

500-600+ enemies and a massive maze to walk through

[finite crag]

Hey, i have doom + doom 2 on steam, how can i use the new Andrew Hulshult doom 2 sountrack with gzdoom ?

[stone tiger]

Find the files in the doom folder related to doom + doom II
Use SLADE to create a WAD, throw the files in, rename it to the relevant file name, and then load it with doom2.wad

[vale gyro]

they're stored in a WAD

they're very weirdly named and contains all of the tracks

plus some extra stuff related to the HUD iirc

[stone tiger]

Isnt it a different wad compared to doom2.wad?

[vale gyro]

it is a different wad

but I'm just saying they're not loose files either

[stone tiger]

Sure

I haven't looked so

[finite crag]

Is it extras.wad ?

[vale gyro]

yeah

[finite crag]

Thanks !

[coarse igloo]

original music only 96 kbit 😄

[vestal crown]

MIDI is a powerful thing in its own way

[coarse igloo]

they digitalized the original music to ogg vorbis files

with poor 96 kbit though

[vestal crown]

What, in the Doom 1 + 2 collection, did they really?

[coarse igloo]

yep

[vestal crown]

NGL that does sound like something Bethesda would do

[coarse igloo]

lousy 96 kbit files - even as ogg as the codec, thats a poor bitrate 😐

[vestal crown]

When you said 96kbit I thought you were referring to the actual filesize of the entire soundtrack LMAO

[coarse igloo]

lol

[supple thunder]

Doom guy is the same throughout all of it?

I keep seeing people say its different people

[remote cedar]

it's complicated

in DOOM + DOOM II, only DOOM and DOOM II are canon

the other expansions are not

Most likely Doomguy is still the same character for all of the expansions

but Quake III Arena features Doom characters - among them, the space marine Phobos, who's allegedly the protagonist in TNT: Evilution

[supple thunder]

Tnt evilution and plutonia are cannon

From what i heard from others it goes doom-doom2-tnt-plutonia-64

Same guy throughout

[remote cedar]

nah man 64 follows up on the event of Doom II

Final Doom isn't canon

[potent scroll]

play doom 2 multiplayer with me?

play multiplayer doom 2

[coarse igloo]

I also can recommend playing tnt before plutonia

[oblique plaza]

winamp

[coarse igloo]

thats not convenient having to change yourself the song everytime

Just use the extras.wad as being told

but who had the idea to make the midi to ogg conversions in just poor 96 kbit :x

at least 160 wouldve been better, 96 is like nothing

[mortal trench]

any mod recommendations for GZDOOM or ZDOOM?

[coarse igloo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtpqv2YmSb4

[mortal trench]

Thx, I’ll see if it doesn’t nuke my computer

[coarse igloo]

good luck

but this mapper bridgeburner is incredible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow9Gl-NVH54

he also made a moving spiral staircase. thats insane even in gzdoom

[celest coyote]

There is lots of mapper knowledge I would love to dissect from bridgeburner. He’s got lots of youtube videos

But for every mapper, there is a million different ways to make a level

[oblique plaza]

just winamp Meshuggah instrumentals, they work well for Doom 1+2 IMHO (I have leveled the volume of all their YT tracks to be even if u want)

[oblique plaza]

Doom 2 mapsets? I like Speed of Doom 2010 (tough hordes), Hellbound 2013 (top lighting, bad gameplay), Nova 3 2019, Irkalla 2022 (great details, top lighting, grey cramped castles in red hell, great colors), Shallow World 2022 (ez), Scorching Earth 2024 (similar visuals to Hellbound 2013), Evil Returns 2024, Necromantic Thirst 2024 (maps01-08+10+14+17+18+21+24, others stutter/lag).

Gameplay mod? VOYAGE INFERNAL. u play some French chic there, adds better gore/guns (plasma gun, chainsaw replacement that is like a mix of blaster pistol from Minority Report 2002 movie and inside-out gun from Machete Kills 2013 movie, etc) etc

Doom 2 bestiary? I like Red Sector wad replacements
+
Mancubus - chained variant from Red Sector wad or my mancubus2harkubus reskin (w/ green projectiles from Necromantic Thirst wad)
+
others: vanilla or from Necromantic Thirst wad (grey/green)

Can send u the wads w/ the custom monsters.

[halcyon willow]

that one wasn't me 😅 i did make a couple of maps for elementalism but that particualr piece of sorcery was done by Bauul (who lead the project)

[halcyon willow]

hi c:

[celest coyote]

Would it be cool to dm ya a mapping question or two if I got stumped? 🥺

I only just began my journey in grid rotations, and I fear there might be a few roadblocks down the road somewhere lol

[halcyon willow]

no problemo

[halcyon willow]

this might be of some use then
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwuFjhtvow8

[heady estuary]

were should i get the classic doom on pc

like is an emultor ok or should i buy it on steam

[azure nimbus]

when you buy the game on steam, you're buying the still copyrighted assets: sounds, music, visual art, levels. If you want to play with the provided engine through steam, that's perfectly fine. But you can also take that file with all the assets and use it on a fan-made port(kinda an emulator) that all sprouts from the now opensource code(the physics)

[heady estuary]

Ahh

[coarse igloo]

Speed of doom and probably the others dont require GZDoom though. Probably not even MBF ^^
I think his question was about UDMF Maps (maps which use gzdoom unique features

[heady estuary]

Thanks

[coarse igloo]

steam or dsda-doom if you want it that super accurate to the original that even the lmp demos work

GZDoom if you dont mind bugs fixed

and great mod support

[vale gyro]

GOG

[coarse igloo]

gzdoom still has the doom (strict) compatiblity preset which covers all gameplay relevant rules for the vanilla maps
But purely annoying bugs like Pain Elementals do spawn lost souls outside of map on death in narrow spaces is permanently fixed
also wall clipping projectiles on fast monsters are permanent fixed

[vale gyro]

the KEX port is actually not vanilla accurate, at least in movement

like the Unity Port, it has auto SR50

[coarse igloo]

that means you always strafe at SR50?

[vale gyro]

yes

[coarse igloo]

interesting

[vale gyro]

and I have confirmed that KEX does have this

I got the exact same time in both KEX, Unity, and Woof with Auto SR50 when speedrunning E1M1

and it's a time I would never get unless auto SR50 was enabled (as I don't implement SR50 when playing)

[coarse igloo]

Me dislikes more that the kex port did make the midis to poor 96 kbit ogg files. Why just 96 kbit? thats a piss poor bitrate : x

[vale gyro]

I don't personally like the KEX port due to some issues it has that are to my knowledge still not fixed

I have it installed for multiplayer but I wouldn't use it as a daily drive port

[finite crag]

random crashes

[coarse igloo]

I had a crash when I did setup the controls the first time, yes xD

[vale gyro]

I had it crashed because I left a lobby once

people say GZDoom is unstable

then there's the KEX port

[finite crag]

For some reason sometimes it crashes while starting a new game

[coarse igloo]

and directly after I accessed the controls menu again and directly crashed again and was worried its broken now
but the 3rd time it did access the controls menu again xD

GZDoom is rock stable on OpenGL
Vulkan was risky in the past. Not sure if still in current versions

[vale gyro]

yeah, I've never personally crashed on GZDoom

although I've never played with it for long periods outside of Chex Quest 3

[coarse igloo]

The problem I had with vulkan on old gzdoom was that: As soon as the VRAM was full the game did crash, because it didnt dare to free up unused data from vram nor using system memory

[vale gyro]

I've actually never had any port crash outside of KEX

not even the Unity port ever crashed for me

[finite crag]

same
None other port has crashed on me before
Not even the bfg edition ports

[vale gyro]

I've had issues with pretty much every port I've used, though

actually, I take that back

I've never had any issues with Crispy Doom

[coarse igloo]

Ohhh I'm so glad they did make new classic doom ports, the bfg edition was so meh

[vale gyro]

yeah, console players can actually experience mods and multiplayer now

[coarse igloo]

And we still have the mess of doom 3 bfg
it needs a new kex port too

[vale gyro]

... that is as long as you're not on Switch

[coarse igloo]

doom 3 bfg , you can write a book of bad changes there xD

they even destroyed the map idea of map05 of resurrection of evil

[vale gyro]

BFG actually does fix a bug with the sound iirc

it does sound pitching

which the only reason it doesn't do that in the vanilla exes (at least in v1.9) is because it got broken in one of the other updates

to be fair I thank God it got broken

because sound pitching is bloody horrible

[coarse igloo]

in normal doom 3 roe map05 you had to pick up a suit to walk through the acid sewerage tunnels. And you had to be fast while fighting monsters as well. Was a really cool idea
in bfg edition the suit is gone and the acid doesnt do damage anymore. Now that map was just another map due to this

[coarse igloo]

everything seems downpitched at bfg

and the super shotgun has a new sound

[vale gyro]

didn't know that

I was referring to the random sound pitch there, but never knew that

[coarse igloo]

sounds like a downpitched toaster

[vale gyro]

it got broken in v1.4 according to the wiki

[coarse igloo]

yes and I was sad about it already back then

I liked the pitching, I have it enabled in gzdoom too

[vale gyro]

I personally don't like it and keep it disabled

[coarse igloo]

for me it gives a better variety, especially when killing monsters it feels to me a bit more natural if they dont keep making the same dying sound. so its at least a bit difference 😄

[finite crag]

sound pitching aint that bad on the kex port

[vale gyro]

I've always played in versions with it disabled and when I played exclusively in DOSBOX I played on v1.9

so random sound pitch doesn't sit right to me

[finite crag]

In the bfg edition port on the other hand it sounds awful

[coarse igloo]

1.9 is the best version anyway. just was a bit sad about the pitching missing. But now with the ports I can use it again 🙂

[vale gyro]

I think it uses the original pitching code

I'd need to check, though

[coarse igloo]

Yes, but thats not because of the DMX pitching. They did downpitch all the base sounds 😦

[vale gyro]

I actually do have a v1.2 shareware

[finite crag]

But yeah, I prefer my classic doom experience without sound pitching

[vale gyro]

same

[coarse igloo]

1.7 for doom 2 was cool to me
at my soundblaster pro it had suddenly a new instrument at doom 2 map 28 music ❤️

1.1 and maybe also 1.2 you could stack healthpotions infinitely ( above 200hp 😄 )

[vale gyro]

good to know

that'd be funny to test

[coarse igloo]

it was overpowered 😄

[vale gyro]

I guess I could go in with IDDQD rq and test it

sigh

time to install this crap

huh

ok, I picked up a soul sphere on E1M2 and only got to 199%?

and also can't increase it with potions

[coarse igloo]

haha the old childhood time where I had fun with dehacked lol
I did a .deh where I fooled the monsters so hard xD
Like making the pinky bite an range attack lol
or if an imp touches an other imp, they both were gibbed xD

[coarse igloo]

hmm. maybe even earlier version? 1.1 maybe then

[vale gyro]

I guess

I'm not familiar with the older versions as much

[coarse igloo]

ChatGPT says it was in 1.1

and changed in 1.2

I still have the 4 blue doom1 floppy disks 😄

[azure nimbus]

that's not a reliable source. it's not even a source. Check out the doomwiki for info on the different versions

[coarse igloo]

he can answer such simple questions

[vale gyro]

I dislike AI to a point where I would ban it if I could

[coarse igloo]

and I know for 100% sure that I had infinite potion stacks.

[azure nimbus]

Just because it can answer doesn't mean that it is right

[coarse igloo]

but it is

[azure nimbus]

How do you know

[coarse igloo]

because I played the game back then

[azure nimbus]

Ok then that's your source. That YOU played it, not that some plagiarism machine agrees

[coarse igloo]

its rarely wrong
its only problematic if you want to use it for programming ..

[vale gyro]

it's problematic for everything

don't care what AI model it is, it's always problematic

[azure nimbus]

All it's doing is regurgitating what other people said to sound normal. But it has no understanding of truth as a concept. It isn't able to prove its claims or express uncertainty.

[coarse igloo]

I had never wrong answers so far

[azure nimbus]

You want to use a reliable process

[coarse igloo]

he also can explain when the shotgun and when the chaingun is more useful. and that surprised me that it does know about classic doom weapons 😄

[azure nimbus]

It doesn't know about doom's weapons

[coarse igloo]

call it whatever. it was correct

[azure nimbus]

It's just keyword searching and maybe someone somewhere made a claim about doom's weapons and copying that

All we're doing is funneling existing biases through the lens of objectivity

AI doesn't magically understand the different circumstances doomguy could be in or even what it means for different doom weapons to have different damage, fire rates, range, ammo consumption, accuracy, so on. All it can do is amalgamate what other people have said. But now it's coming from a machine that isn't accountable.

[celest coyote]

Dude chat gpt said that god machine was part of dimensions once to me

It gets so much shit wrong if you push it far enough

“Here is the list of all 32 levels from the Sunlust WAD, arranged by map order:

1.    Map01: Caught Is Dead
2.    Map02: Down The Drain
3.    Map03: Heat Miser
4.    Map04: Rattling Bones
5.    Map05: Mango Demon’s Keep
6.    Map06: Tricyclic Looper
7.    Map07: Saquasohuh
8.    Map08: Eye of the Tiger
9.    Map09: Atom Heart Mother
10.    Map10: Blood Geometry
11.    Map11: Arch-Violence
12.    Map12: Pier Pressure
13.    Map13: Dance With Death
14.    Map14: Redshift
15.    Map15: Blast Furnace
16.    Map16: Biophilia
17.    Map17: Technicolor Antichrist Box
18.    Map18: Remnants
19.    Map19: Deepest Reaches
20.    Map20: Unspeakable Persecution
21.    Map21: Impure Serenity
22.    Map22: God Machine
23.    Map23: Dark Rapture
24.    Map24: The Furnace
25.    Map25: Infliction of Hate
26.    Map26: Mordecai
27.    Map27: Go Fuck Yourself
28.    Map28: Catalyst
29.    Map29: Precarious
30.    Map30: Ascension
31.    Map31: Postcoitus Doom
32.    Map32: Sungazer”

is this correct?

God machine is in map 22 lol

[oblique plaza]

KDiZD/KDiKDiZD look the best then. bad gameplay tho (key hunt)

[lethal sedge]

Thought to replay Legacy of Rust again, and maybe I am starting to see what people mean when they say it feels more like a community mapset than something official

I guess the one thing that puts those thoughts is that the levels have more, should I say "extreme" approaches in level design? It's not necessarily like TNT: Evilution where you go through 32 levels made by over a dozen different map authors with varying views on how to make a level, but the transition between some levels can feel bizarre

[mortal trench]

imagine Legacy Of Rust in Brutal Doom

[lethal sedge]

Like okay so E1M1 is pretty easy starting level, E1M2 is much bigger with tougher encounters and some puzzles, E1M3 is a long linear level that is mainly just onslaughts of enemies, E1M4 and E1M5 are less linear and have less enemies than E1M3, E1M6 has you using only the Incinerator for most of it and is much more difficult than the levels before, and E1M7 is short level that is also much easier and you go back to using all your weapons again

All this in the first episode, to summarize the second episode: E2M1 has you starving for ammo, E2M2 and E2M4 are pretty Doom 2 as far as Legacy of Rust levels go, E2M6 is a slaughtermap, E2M7 is less of a slaughtermap but still one at heart

Still think Legacy of Rust is better than TNT: Evilution, but I do feel it kind of jumps up and down with whatever the levels have you doing

[trail geode]

Does classic DOOM actually have stereo sound? I heard that it does not so long ago, but does it?

[oblique plaza]

it does

[coarse igloo]

of course it does. its not atari

[tired mulch]

Hi

[coarse igloo]

with GZDoom you even have multichannel sound, or if you have a headphone a wonderful HRTF implemented 🙂

[coarse igloo]

did you correct him? that would help. Please do.

[azure nimbus]

Your soul is weighing a lot more than a feather right now, calling a plagiarism machine a "him" that you can meaningfully talk to and "correct." It has zero concept of truth

it's not like you're talking to a friend who made a mistake because they believed something untrue that could be ammended. The machine doesn't believe anything. There is no concept of something being right or wrong. It only amalgamates what has already been written into something it'll mold together. It's a computer at best and not a guy; not a "him"

[coarse igloo]

and the AI does learn if you correct

if something is wrong its best for all when you correct it. then it learns it

[azure nimbus]

It's best for all if you just go to the wiki or check yourself

[coarse igloo]

I'm surprised that it got the maplist wrong because sunlust is a wellknown wad. I give you that point. Still it was at my questions 99% always correct

If you treat it indeed like a chat with a person, then it is totally fine. You know this (artficial) friend might be wrong

but there is a lot of things which is quite reliable and much faster than google

and its a fact that it updates its data when you tell the correct answer

[azure nimbus]

Google is not a source either!

You shouldn't treat it like a chat with a person because it isn't

Google's job is to direct you to an actual source. Some article that a human wrote using their knowledge and experience. Google itself doesn't tell you stuff (well until recently where its own stupid AI model tries telling you things with zero accountability or credibility)

The only reason you know if it was correct or not is because you used some other real source.

[coarse igloo]

I know, but something you have to use if you need info 😄

[azure nimbus]

You don't have to use it.

Any time a "generative" AI tells you something, it's because someone else said something similar somewhere else. So instead, read that handwritten content instead of the computer's attempts amalgamate anything potentially related. Read the content that the plagiarism machine is taking from. OR, actually figure it out yourself

[coarse igloo]

chatgpt was a lot of the time more helpful than google though

[azure nimbus]

Getting your answers from alphabet soup is easy too. I think it's time to stop.

[coarse igloo]

for example I had the question which renderers were offered in unreal v226 because I wasnt sure if it had d3d8 already
and in Google I found only stuff about the engine itself or games done with the engine.
gpt gave me directly the correct answer..

or I wanted to know what is better for performance on a 9900k with 3200mhz CL14 RAM
100 mhz less uncore clock, or 100 mhz less ram clock

And gpt just didnt only say which is the faster or recommended one, no it wrote me the exact differences and the exact advantages and disadvantages of the both possibilities

In Google I wouldve never found an answer to it. Only about complete different questions than my specific case

and you know what? It was correct. What he wrote was by testing myself the reality

probably barely anyone asked for a sunlust maplist in chatgpt. so thats why it had no data

I mean a maplist of a popular megawad is faster to use google in that case anyway

[oblique plaza]

got fps drops in half the new maps. how do I fix that? better ryzen? better GPU? more than 32 GB RAM?

[coarse igloo]

dsda-doom or gzdoom for a fast fix

[finite crag]

Hey, does someone know any megawad in which the player travel in different planets each level (like in sunlust for example but easier) ?

[azure nimbus]

Ancient Aliens perhaps? Eviternity is also episodic but less explicit about planets

AA even has a level(I think it's map16) with different planets

[flint tinsel]

https://youtu.be/AjEx292Ph8M?si=fyeuCVZqPHDDcqyt

[finite crag]

I already did eviternity, i tried AA but i didn't like the first them color choice

Still thanks for the suggestions

[oblique plaza]

happens in gzdoom

[oblique plaza]

is it 1988 song Trip at the Brain or 1988 song Demon Alcohol by Ozzy?!?!

(the Ozzy 2m39s riff)

[flint tinsel]

3do version

It's a console the 3do it had a doom port terrible port cool music

[oblique plaza]

even worse than Doom 64?

[twin mortar]

64 is not a port

[flint tinsel]

Doom 64 Is its own game

https://youtu.be/f5zyhC11hzQ?si=pTokCOvWW88FCrgO

Angry Video Game Nerd doing like all the ports I think

[oblique plaza]

yeah but the track is a rip-off of the 1988 songs

[scarlet remnant]

I can't watch this vid just bc of the age restriction yet I'm 19 qwq

[flint tinsel]

man that sucks

[steep owl]

Whos the last boss of doom 1?
Doom 2 its the icon but what about doom 1

[coarse horizon]

The spidermastermind

Or the spider demon

[steep owl]

Ah

[coarse horizon]

Yeah so for the first game there were the barons of hell, then the cyberdemon, the the spider mastermind

[twin mortar]

Then, if you are playing The Ultimate DOOM (all post-1995 non-GBA versions) there's another Mastermind

[coarse horizon]

And in doom 2 originally in the second wolfenstein secret map there was going to be hans grosse but it got cut

The wolfenstein 3d boss

I'm surprised that it's a cyberdemon instead of a spider demon for that secret map

[halcyon willow]

Most of these maps aren't even in Sunlust lol

[halcyon willow]

Which maps, and define 'fps drops'

[coarse igloo]

and that spider dies by embarassment of how bad it is 😄

All it needs is 1 BFG Shot, done xD

its so wide it eats all the 40 tracers 😄

[coarse igloo]

I wonder where these maps are in instead though 😄

[coarse horizon]

Technically 3 well timed hits

But yeah

[coarse igloo]

you need to point blank it while running forward

1 shot. if rng hates you, give a final rocket

[coarse horizon]

Stunlock with plasma gun combination with rockets

That works with cyberdemon too

[coarse igloo]

thats when you have no BFG

[coarse horizon]

Mhm

[coarse igloo]

Rockets against cyber is bad. it doesnt get the splash damage from rockets. just the impact damage

splash applies also on a direct hit, so this damage would be gone on cybers

[coarse horizon]

The only boss monster that is affected by splash damage is the baron (as in the episode 1 boss for doom 1)

[coarse igloo]

yes spider too. But in the custom wad Valiant.wad there the spider takes splash damage 😄

[coarse horizon]

The mastermind doesn't takes splash damage in the original

[coarse igloo]

I know^^

[coarse horizon]

(Learned that the hard way)

With the crusher map

[coarse igloo]

at the crusher you dont even fight the spider

you crush it

[coarse horizon]

You can, to kill it faster tho:3

But i get it

[coarse igloo]

if you want to waste that ammo on it, sure 😄

[coarse horizon]

(If you have too much from the previous maps then sure)

[coarse igloo]

yes thats a bit of an issue with doom

I tend to prefer pistol starts recently

[coarse horizon]

I enjoy using the chaingun for the start because it stunlocks

And it hits more

[coarse igloo]

pistol started the E3M8 is a bit less weak too, because you at least dont have a BFG and do that 1 point blank shot
Its really that easy and if you did understand it, you lose any respect to the spider as soon as you have a BFG

[coarse horizon]

Ah

I cant pistol start at all ;^;

[coarse igloo]

pistol start E3M8 gives you rockets and plasma. a bit more challenging than doing just 1 bfg shot 😄

[coarse horizon]

Cause i am really bad at uv so i have to go to the difficulty lower to uv

Like for map01 in doom ii i legit dile like 14 times so i have to speedrun my way half the time

[vale gyro]

yeah, it can be both harder and easier

[coarse horizon]

oof

[coarse igloo]

but doom 2 you did UV? because if i recall right on HMP there is 4 hell knights or something like that instead of a spider at the crusher

[vale gyro]

harder in the sense you only have a pistol and 50 bullets to start with each level

easier because you don't need to worry about health and ammo as much

[coarse horizon]

Without the backback even

I can see why plutonia experiment was terrifyingly hard when it first released

[vale gyro]

I have yet to do Plutonia myself

[coarse igloo]

and I can directly take the powerups instead of the thinking: hmm I better save that sphere for the next map start 😄

[coarse horizon]

I can get to map 10 without quitting

[vale gyro]

well you still gotta think of when you grab it

[coarse igloo]

did you do tnt already? if not, i recommend doing it first

[vale gyro]

I did TNT

[coarse horizon]

You have to use the ammo wisely

[vale gyro]

I hated Mt Pain

still not as bad as Scythe 2 Episode 5

I'll never finish Scythe 2 for as long as I live

[coarse horizon]

Map 7 was kinda ez

[coarse igloo]

You will hate mount pain when youre like me and have yourself the rule for 100% kills and use gzdoom where lost souls count for kills too

I enjoyed the mountain a bit while 😂 😂

[vale gyro]

I don't do 100%

well, I sometimes do but it's never a requirement for me

[coarse horizon]

I try to do 100% kills for all maps

[coarse igloo]

It always is for me. I want to see the whole level, especially the secrets

[vale gyro]

fair enough

I would recommend Eraser

but that requires a software renderer

the map otherwise gets ruined

[coarse horizon]

I did finish the lost levels doom 1 wad

[vale gyro]

never played it

[coarse igloo]

I can switch to it in gzdoom, also software lighting and banding, all there. would be no problem
But I love the hardware renderer. Valiant's candlecove looks sooo beautiful with all the torches having dynamic colored light

[vale gyro]

Oh yeah

[coarse horizon]

It was one of the planned expansions but it never was commercially released

[vale gyro]

the map recommends NOT to use GZDoom at all due to the voodoo dolls being used

mainly because he didn't test it in GZDoom as well

it's designed for DSDA-Doom and Nugget Doom (which means also Woof, I guess)

[coarse horizon]

Hmm

[coarse igloo]

When you did finish plutonia, do plutonia 2 too. its just as good

[vale gyro]

noted

[coarse horizon]

There's another

[coarse igloo]

I believe we have also a TNT 2 by now. But I didnt play that yet

[coarse horizon]

Huh

[coarse igloo]

And Valiant is sooo good, note that too 😄

[vale gyro]

not really related but Overboard is fucking amazing

[coarse horizon]

I don't have doom on steam
I use online emulators XD

[coarse igloo]

Valiant is a MBF wad

[coarse horizon]

That and I'm too lazy to pay for it

[vale gyro]

... that is piracy, y'know that right

it's a crime and a subject not allowed to be discussed on the server

[coarse igloo]

something online sounds like bad experience anyway

if you mean playing on a website

[coarse horizon]

💀etu, kid?

Already then

[novel estuary]

Dont do crime kids

[coarse horizon]

WHERE DID YOU COME FROM!?!?

[vale gyro]

Doom + Doom 2 is $10 USD on GOG and Steam

[coarse horizon]

Just 10?

[vale gyro]

yes

[coarse horizon]

Is it on sale?

[coarse igloo]

it was 18 for me i believe 😄

[vale gyro]

nope

[coarse horizon]

Honestly for 10$ tho...

I swear that sounds like something for a sale

[coarse igloo]

ah no 18 is the bundle with all the doom classics, and 10 only doom 1 and 2

[vale gyro]

it gets you Doom 1, Doom 2, UDoom, Final Doom, The Master Levels, and LoR

[coarse horizon]

Or an event

[vale gyro]

all of that for $10

[coarse igloo]

and sigil

[vale gyro]

Sigil is free anyways

with the exception of the Buckethead soundtrack

which isn't even included

Sigil 2 is also free, with the exception of the THORR soundtrack

[coarse igloo]

is the midi more doom style? Buckethead was so happy music like most midis in custom wads too

[vale gyro]

Buckethead and THORR aren't midis

they're MP3's

[coarse igloo]

read again 😄

[vale gyro]

Shit, yeah sorry

the midi's are made by Paddock, and I do say they're mostly Doom style?

[coarse igloo]

they are? ok then i will try these

I wish the custom megawads would also have music which fits to doom instead of fitting to a beach party

[vale gyro]

the THORR soundtrack is much more akin to nu-Doom I guess

it's not really happy by any means, it's just metal

[vale gyro]

it depends on the WAD

Overboard's music makes sense for it's setting

[coarse igloo]

sure there yes

but on regular theme I would like to have doom music 😄

[vale gyro]

Cyriak be making good music and good Doom WADs

[vale gyro]

fair enough

[coarse igloo]

TNT's music was fine to me though

[vale gyro]

I actually like most of TNT's music

[coarse igloo]

yes, really cool

Unfortunately plutonia has no custom music

it uses stock music from doom 1 and 2

[vale gyro]

doesn't bother me personally

there are midi packs online you can use, though

[coarse igloo]

There is a community made plutonia music pack but I didnt like it that much either
Prepare for plutonia being more difficult than TNT

[remote cedar]

Plutonia is so funny man

[vale gyro]

I might just make my own midi pack for private use tbh

[remote cedar]

first map has an Archvile in it

[coarse igloo]

dont spoil it

[remote cedar]

cmon it's the first map

[vale gyro]

just shove in a bunch of SOAD songs and have the outro music be Never Gonna Give You Up

it'd be fucking hilarious ngl

[coarse igloo]

and you really should go to the secret maps 😎

[coarse horizon]

2 actually

So wait, where does legacy of rust take place in?

[finite crag]

I cannot read

[tacit remnant]

Legacy of Rust is in “A part of Hell with few monsters”. I think the UAC named it “New Eden” or something because the “U” is for “hubris”

[rustic nacelle]

hearing “Cigaro” when fighting the icon of sin will be astonishing

[compact pawn]

Nice pfp

[tacit remnant]

Thanks

[lunar rune]

Also makes amazing videos on Youtube, they're like my dreams into an actual video

[heavy apex]

^I see what you did there

[vale gyro]

Yeah

Cyriak really captures a total fever dream in a single video

[rotund dew]

going down has some really good music

and is an awesome wad in general, especially maps like 26

[midnight bough]

I barely started going down yesterday I love its vibe

It plays unironically really good

I also love the text screens I find them really funny

[halcyon willow]

going down is a classic

one of the all time greats for sure

[midnight bough]

Bungle is my favorite doom character

[main lion]

Turbo?

Going to play Going Down Turbo eventually

Also Hellbound

I'm working on Overboard

[main lion]

Going Down Turbo is a great improvement I think

[finite crag]

Hey, i try to play ancien alien with the final doomer+ mod, but how do i disable the status bar from FD+ to have the one from AA please ?

[midnight bough]

Yeah turbo

[main lion]

Nice

[coarse igloo]

@halcyon willow Do you recommend pistol starts or continous play for elementalism?

[halcyon willow]

works well with both tbh

there's also an inbetween setting where you get a small smattering of starting guns (shotgun and chaingun iirc)

personally i'd say go with pistol starts as that's what most of the balancing was done around

[coarse igloo]

personally i'd say go with pistol starts as that's what most of the balancing was done around

Ok just like valiant was. Ok thank you. Then I will do pistol

[celest coyote]

I’m sad map 18 of necromantic thirst is so buggy 😔

Couldn’t get the plasma+rocket horseshoe fight to work. The voodoo closet is not working it seems

I don’t know why the mapper uses two tringle stop-gaps for the voodoo closets instead of just one rectangle or triangle like 99% of other people

[vestal crown]

For anyone who happens to still remember this and care, I just wanted to say that I finally found it and it turned out to be ww-stranger.wad

[finite crag]

?

[cosmic pagoda]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/479488644990894094/1308723727311179777/image.png?ex=673efb73&is=673da9f3&hm=a6aa9876cfac8c90e54dc34d3a769f03cd1640fb9229203d6258a824889ed03e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=917&height=534

finally

im pistolstarting pl2(with saves) so far got map01-map17 and map20 done

[oblique plaza]

I would suggest to rather get Scorching Earth 2024 megawad if u want Hellbound 2013 visuals (plus actually good gameplay) nowadays

[lunar rune]

Sickk, I just beat PL2 pistol start a month ago

[supple lion]

why is doom guy going like a million flipping miles an hour in the 1993 game?! this is long before any advanced tech and divinity machine boosts

https://tenor.com/view/the-flash-barry-allen-run-fast-gif-6144593

[tacit remnant]

Because he feels better to play like this

[buoyant rivet]

[tacit remnant]

In general classic Doom doesn’t prioritize the story it tells at all and is all about the gameplay, and the fast movement speed is better for the gameplay

[young dawn]

Any tips for beating Doom 1 pistol only?

[tacit remnant]

Do you mean pistol start or “never use other guns”?

[tacit remnant]

What are some fun wad themes that could be done with vanilla textures? I’m relearning how to use Doombuilder and I want to start simple but I kind of need a theme for direction and motivation.

[azure nimbus]

big dark castle is a classic

[tacit remnant]

That could work

[finite crag]

space ship in space

[tacit remnant]

So I now have my general roadmap for an 8 map wad. Will probably start first map later today

[noble wedge]

Am I the only one who feels the progression of Momento Mori’s maps in #1 is kinda poor? First time playing through it, either I’m missing something or the maps are poorly designed in terms of progress and design

[sick yacht]

So Doom + Doom 2 doesnt have dedicated servers ?

[cosmic pagoda]

because doom was made before the era where fps games went garbage, lost healthbars, lost ability to carry more than 2 guns, lost ability to move in a way that feels good

its more fun that way

[supple lion]

huh

[noble wedge]

That feeling of dread when you walk into a room with a large supply of ammo, armour and health knowing you’re about to be royally screwed from every angle and still don’t have the BFG

[young dawn]

I’m just gonna from the start only use the pistol and no other weapon

[tacit remnant]

Yeah that’s really hard

[noble wedge]

Doable if you’re patient and have time

But really hard

[young dawn]

The hardest part will probably be anmo

I just need to do the math to see if the spider demon is possible

[atomic dust]

so I just found out that in the Nightdive remaster, you can unlock the achievements for beating each campaign just by beating their final levels

[flint tinsel]

Hey guy we are classic doomers

[atomic dust]

good for those that played all the previous campaigns before Legacy Of Rust before

[cosmic pagoda]

which wad/map?

[stray loom]

For making maps, I'm using gzdoom udmf and ultimate doom builder, how could I go about adding mods like other enemies and weapons

[young dawn]

Not a GZ DOOM guy. Go to the classic doom mods section

[stray loom]

Nobody is active there, never got a response to any questions I ask

[young dawn]

Ohhhh

[stray loom]

It's only had 3 messages today including mine

[young dawn]

I see