classic-doom

[azure nimbus]

Nowadays, could you argue that none of them are seperate games anymore but instead components of a single product? Perhaps.

[median trellis]

I kinda like the master levels tbh

the black tower is solid

and that one map with the outdoor city area

[azure nimbus]

They are a big part of mapping history like TNT so I'm not idk mad at them. But I just wish they weren't fronted as one of the main games anymore

[vale gyro]

I personally disliked it

only ML I played and it was a bad introduction imo

[stark plume]

Black tower had great fights compared to the other levels but the puzzles were just very confusing

[vale gyro]

yeah, I don't like maps where I'm pretty much forced into looking it up on the Wiki

[median trellis]

I feel like if a map is based on a cool idea/concept it can overshine average gameplay

[vale gyro]

fights were actually quite fun

just those bloody puzzles and such.. blegh

[stark plume]

I've been playing Back to Saturn X

Finished E1 and it was a blast
E2 gives me the same vibes from Sunlust xD

Although from what I've watched Decino play, it's not nearly as hard

[median trellis]

have techbase fatigue yet?

[stark plume]

They definitely learned from Plutonia with those pesky chaingunner placements

[stark plume]

Lemmie check what map that is

[median trellis]

it's not a map

[stark plume]

I mean level

[median trellis]

btsx 1 has great levels but they are all techbases which can get very repetitive for some people, decino calls it "techbase fatigue"

[stark plume]

Ohhhh

Kind of yeah but

The stellar (pun intended) level design did make up for it very easily

[median trellis]

the music is amazing as well

[coral arch]

is there some way to change difficulty on a save in progress?

[stark plume]

My fav is Bitmap

The one from level 31 i think

[stark plume]

What source port do you use

[median trellis]

waiting and womp are my favorites

[stark plume]

Is plutonia 2 tough

[median trellis]

uhh kinda

[stark plume]

Hm is it a good wad

[median trellis]

it's very well made but very hard

[stark plume]

Hah I like what I'm hearing then xD

[median trellis]

map 3 alone is fucked in the head

[stark plume]

After watching Decino pistol start Sunlust

I've been grinding on some wads pistol start

But i do save though, I'm certainly no pumpkin man

[median trellis]

decino is one of the best

[median trellis]

have you played alien vendetta?

[stark plume]

It's on my to do list

[median trellis]

it's a classic

[stark plume]

Back to Saturn X, Alien, Vendetta, Scythe 2, Kama Sutra, Plutonia 2, Dimensions, Sunder, Sunlust

No particular order to them

[coral arch]

gzdoom

[stark plume]

And I've pistol started
Doom 1, Doom 2, TnT Evilution, Plutonia, Sigil and the Master Levels

[stark plume]

Use the command Skill then type 3

0 to 4 is "I'm too young to die" to "Nightmare"

[median trellis]

scythe 2 is absolutely insane later on it's even a struggle with saves

[stark plume]

3 is UV

[coral arch]

ok. could you dm it to me so it dosnt get lost. currently playing through back to saturn on uv just want to know in case it gets way to difficult so i dont have to replay everything while keeping my specific weapons and ammo

[stark plume]

I'll probably enjoy that then xD I'm the kind of player that loves a challenge

[coral arch]

i try to do each map without saves but i will save if i have done a really difficult encounter as i want to have fun. i died so many times to the ||cyberdemon and arcvhiles (what killed me were homing missile of revs most of the time)|| thank god for saves

[median trellis]

the first 22 levels of scythe 2 are an absolute blast

scythe 2 was also very ahead of its time

[stark plume]

I save since i get frustrated with having to do the level again and again xD

[median trellis]

I refuse to save

[stark plume]

At some point it just gets tedious

[median trellis]

for some reason if I save-scum through a level I play worse

if I don't save, I'm more on edge and careful, making me play better

[stark plume]

What's that

[median trellis]

constantly quicksaving

[twin mortar]

Saving and reloading through a level when you fuck up instead of just playing through it in one go

[median trellis]

and then loading at any minor inconvenience

[stark plume]

Ohhhh

Meh sounds boring

I just save once in a while or before a difficult fight i know is coming up

[coral arch]

this is mostly how i do it too

[red harbor]

no it's 1 to 5 in the parameters

[stark plume]

But I use it almost daily when booting up a game

[red harbor]

just confirmed, 5 is nightmare

4 is UV

[stark plume]

I have the game on rn and it's giving me 3 as UV

[red harbor]

weird, might be a zdl thing

[stark plume]

You're talking about GZDoom, right?

[red harbor]

yeah

are you using the dev builds or something? because im on 4.12.2

[stark plume]

Uhhh lemmie check

May I DM you

How do I check my version

[red harbor]

you didn't keep it the the folder it comes with?

[stark plume]

Oh i did

[red harbor]

either way it's in the console on bootup near the top

[stark plume]

It says gzdoom-4-2-4a-Windows-64bit

[coral arch]

in my game its 0-4

im on uv and it says my skill is 3

[red harbor]

yeah sounds outdated to me

[red harbor]

what version are you on?

[coral arch]

gzdoom-x64-g4.13pre-144-g326480cb3

[red harbor]

huh i guess they changed it back

[stark plume]

It is

Does it change much though

[vale gyro]

Why is it 0-4?? It should be 1-5

unless GZ decided to say "Hey! Let's change one of the most basic command line parameters to be quirky and weird!"

because -skill 0 in every other port and the original executables it's equivalent to -nomonsters

[stark plume]

Fun xD

[vale gyro]

yeah, my GZ version has the normal 1-5

BUT -skill 0 defaults to ITYTD for some reason

[red harbor]

same, weird

[azure nimbus]

3 is HMP. 4 is UV.

[opaque rose]

What’s the max damage roll for a cyberdemon rocket?

[azure nimbus]

it's exactly the same as your rocket. a 128 splash radius with a 20,40,...,160 projectile

[azure nimbus]

not quite. Nomonsters removes monsters. But -skill 0 removes all things

[stark plume]

Apparently for CoderPenguin1 it's 1 to 5, Nuze the same
For me it's 0 to 4 and same for XenoJiiva

[opaque rose]

So splash damage plush impact damage makes it…

[azure nimbus]

I guess it's possible that GZ does some crazy stuff

[vale gyro]

didn't know that, actually

[azure nimbus]

though randomly changing it would be weird -- it's possible

[azure nimbus]

add em

[opaque rose]

I should add them…

[azure nimbus]

I think of a rocket as "inconsistent ssg damage"

[opaque rose]

Max damage roll (if you have full health and armor) will bring you down to 56 health I think

288 max damage

[bitter minnow]

Would anyone be able to help me to upload a mod for Doom + Doom II? My PC isn’t strong enough to handle it, so I’d really appreciate it if someone could do me this favor! Thanks.

[azure nimbus]

You uploading a zip bomb? Doom is smaller than a modern png. Mods shouldn't be that large

Make sure that you don't include the original textures in there

[finite crag]

Are you running a Super HBrutal My House Ashes mod, why can't it take it?

[bitter minnow]

my PC goes to a black screen when I try to upload.

[finite crag]

(I'm kidding btw)

[bitter minnow]

no problem lol

[finite crag]

Maybe that's more a computer thing than a mod thing?

[bitter minnow]

yeahh, it is

I don't use it much, another reason is because it's from 2009 ☠️

[red harbor]

Dude I use GZ and it's 1-5

[finite crag]

Computers in the 90's could handle it... I'd assume, I wansn't in that time period.

[red harbor]

Newest stable version too

[bitter minnow]

yeah, but according to steam you need a better PC to run doom + doom ii

[finite crag]

Fair

Also cause DOOM I + II is a new engine, which is more powerful

[bitter minnow]

yeah

[red harbor]

Run nuts.wad, I dare you

[bitter minnow]

I just asked for help 😭☠️

jk, I'll try

[red harbor]

K let me know how bad the house fire is

[bitter minnow]

ok lol

[bitter minnow]

I won't even say what happened

the same old thing, only worse

[haughty mortar]

guys, what's that entity in circle of death that makes an elephant-like sound when you walk past the blue door

it scared me

[opaque rose]

This emoji pleases me

[haughty mortar]

it was a hell knight

i havent continued doom 2 in a long time

[red harbor]

Love those guys, perfect little challenge for a first level secret cough cough NRFTL cough cough

[bitter minnow]

it's caco, how wouldn't it please us?

[vale gyro]

as it does for me

[young escarp]

Why the hell is people quitting while playing on the Kex port?

The moment I joined the lobby the host leaves or sometimes I get kicked out. Had a similar issue while playing gears horde mode recently and eventually stopped playing,

[azure nimbus]

lag, dying and resetting to pistol -- or perhaps they just wanted to see if it works but didn't want to play

[bleak epoch]

Doesn't it remove all things?

[vale gyro]

Yeah, it does. I got that pointed out to me after I sent that response.

[hexed escarp]

damn

doom 2 30 years old

[finite crag]

So weird

[mighty walrus]

It's not Doom's 2's birthday

[twin mortar]

^^^

[red harbor]

11 days

[finite crag]

October 11th

I will keep that in mind

[twin mortar]

10th

[finite crag]

I forgot how time works

[hexed escarp]

according to doomwiki, it was released on september 30th

there was a release party on october 10th

but it was actually released on the 30th

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Timeline#1994

[twin mortar]

"DOOM II was released on October 10, the day we held the launch party at the Limelight in New York City. As it turned out, it was also released in some stores on September 30, not according to plan. We consider October 10 to be its official launch day."
-Romero

[hexed escarp]

ahh

[finite crag]

Romeroreo

[twin mortar]

The planned release was October 10 but it was out early in certain stores against their plans

I wouldn't take its words over Romero's ones

Both are technically correct release dates but every official outlet celebrates it on October 10th so it's just more logical to go with that to avoid confusion

[celest coyote]

Time isn’t real. Your confusion is understandable

[twin mortar]

Especially since October 10th was meant to be the actual release date

[celest coyote]

Doom birthday cometh 😭

[red harbor]

or get this, Doom 2 has 2 birthdays

[twin mortar]

Both are technically correct release dates

[red harbor]

oh im blind lololol

[rough cairn]

Very! and on top of that, starting with just a pistol is fucking difficult

[rough cairn]

My mission for my playthroughs on YouTube is no saves and no deaths. Just grind through it

[rough cairn]

If I am playing for leisure, this is what I do

[jade pagoda]

New guy here, was wondering if there's any update to the Doom 1+2 re-release in the works, especially some fixes to the Boom jank like the Monsters falling down platform.

[little oar]

Most likely. This game still gets small updates every now and then, so they aren't done working on it yet.
Whether or not they're fixing that specifically, we don't know. They don't tell what they're working on now nor do updates come with patch notes anymore

[finite crag]

Fair enough

[oblique plaza]

what was the name of the classic Doom megawad with menu screen looking like a gif of doomguy behinf table demaanding a meal pls? I believe it was named like Fastfood or sometning. thanks

[coral arch]

ok have now beaten revolution

[finite crag]

Doom is so good that I now run faster than ever and make grunting sounds when I touch walls

Doom is pretty good though, I’m currently beating Doom II master levels

[median cloud]

Good luck theyre pretty bad haha

[finite crag]

I love the DOOM II Master Levels, I had a lot of fun with them. Enjoy!

[zealous plaza]

Happy 30th anniversary DOOM II

[surreal portal]

thats october 10th officially

[finite crag]

Happy birthday to Doom II :P

[red harbor]

well yes but actually no

the game was meant to come out on October 10th, but some retailers released it on this day 30 years ago

so technically the game has 2 birthdays

[cloud crag]

happy birthday DOOM II 😄

[finite crag]

Goated fr

Literally weeks of Doom II

[median trellis]

Happy birthday Doom II!

[junior egret]

Happy birthday doom

[red harbor]

Happy birthday

[vale gyro]

just beat Arceon map04

[vale gyro]

honestly, I'm quite liking Arceon

[finite crag]

Yea?

[vale gyro]

I am using my "checkpoint save system" but it's still quite fun

[finite crag]

That’s crazy

[gusty falcon]

I never thought I'd see the day I'd have to play doom with always run toggled off for anything other than tactical mods but much how like you can get motion sick being a passenger in a fast moving car now get headaches if doom guy runs at full speed for too long 😭

Even when the frame rate is perfect 60 why

[vale gyro]

I always played on always run off

[gusty falcon]

For the longest time I didn't and it was fine but ever since I tried to push myself to learn keyboard and mouse earlier in the year, having to deal with twitchy mouse movements for months because I could never find a sensitivity that had a sweet spot without making me feel sick

I've become way more sensitive to jerky camera movements

It sucks so much

The result.... even after going back to controller I physically can't play doom anywhere near as much as I used to

[vale gyro]

ouch

[gusty falcon]

And that is why I've been gone for so long I'm trying to slowly train my body's tolerance back up but

it's rough I can't have the sensitivity of anything even remotely high

[gusty falcon]

Just for reference of about how high I'm able to have it

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771497902307803138/1290513329508581436/Recorder_20240930231628.mp4?ex=66fcbbb2&is=66fb6a32&hm=4af16861b14230c5101acb290792ce385e8640fb3ab5e8f6c43818c84726f22f&

For anyone wondering the map set is this one

https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/megawads/10sector

[vale gyro]

why is the gamma so high???

you can't even see anything

[gusty falcon]

I think I raised it when I was playing psx doom because that map set can get quite dark but forgot to switch it back

Though I admit I can see it fine on my screen

Gamma correction was like 1.40 or 50 and now

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771497902307803138/1290518181106028565/Screenshot_20240930-233633.png?ex=66fcc037&is=66fb6eb7&hm=93af179bc7f3b5d5516883cb4e8e1ece409366adec51491194bc18e89664945c&

It's about 1.20

[ebon forum]

Who even uses DOOM Retro? Like, that's probably the lowest point you can go with source ports before you hit Zandronum.

[oblique plaza]

+fav Doom fanart artist? Finfr0sk?

[coral arch]

what is a wad that has extremely cool looking enviroments?

[coral arch]

really wish i could change the difficulty on a game in progress without restarting the playthrough

[median cloud]

Anyone any idea why weapon sounds are so silent in Chocolate Doom for me

cant remember them being like this before

[unreal pike]

anyone know this? https://www.youtube.com/@dialrheatechnologies3458

?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia9U4XzBBxA

[amber herald]

Why did i read it as diarrhea??

[gusty falcon]

Because there's like a two letter difference between the two words

I saw it the same way when I first read it

[amber herald]

XD

[plush tundra]

The archvile reviving the horde of demons I almost died trying to kill https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/921963012049494026/1290663290313379872/IMG_5194.png?ex=66fd475b&is=66fbf5db&hm=69a662da287b236e9a022016c3f7bef7faed7fd88a113eabb5451b28f8217700&

[vocal summit]

i do sometimes

[red harbor]

BFG Edition:

[twin mortar]

BFG is good

[red harbor]

didnt wanna go down this route but let me remind you that the Sega Saturn port exists

[twin mortar]

How does that relate to DOOM 3 BFG lol

[red harbor]

No I was saying that I was willing to stop at BFG when it comes to defending Retro Doom (which I have never touched, DSDA and GZDoom my beloved)

Would've said 3DO port instead but the soundtrack kinda goes hard

[oblique plaza]

are there other maps then Red Sector that use the new custom revenant zombie (the nude unarmed Revenant) from MEDB monster pack pls?

[red harbor]

omfg sigil is mean

e5m2 has secret winding path that spawns a cyberdemon then teleports you in front of it if you dont have the red key

[rough cairn]

Managed all of them with 100% clear on UV difficulty, except for Mephisto's mosoleum. I hate thatw map

[red harbor]

Is SLADE or Ultimate Doom Builder better?

[vale gyro]

for mapping?

if so, UDB is leagues better for that

Slade's main use is to edit WAD and PK3 archives

[red harbor]

Ohhhhhh thanks for explaining! :D

[hexed escarp]

Use udb to make maps, use Slade to manage resources

[vale gyro]

^

[woven wasp]

Hello, I just pushed an update to my doom wad, any feedback would be really appreciated.

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/132011-gregs-gargantuan-gadventure-of-glory-gaffes-and-garbage-rc2-almost-completed/

[oblique plaza]

Doom 1+2, Voyage Infernal gore mod: any "1 rocket to the imp crowd, finishing up the damaged ones w/ SSG" enyjoyers here?

[oblique plaza]

it was named something like Doom Snack maybe, idk

[halcyon willow]

Junkfood?

or Mapwich?

[tulip garnet]

For me, I think the kex engine port of Doom 1 and 2 + Legacy of Rust is like…the only good thing to happen in video games this year that wasn’t completely pissed on by a poor decision that ruined it

[hexed escarp]

it was named something like Doom Snack maybe, idkit was named something like Doom Snack maybe, idk

sorry accident

[tulip garnet]

Except Astro Bot, that was epic :)

[hexed escarp]

idk for some reason there is some shortcut on my computer that copy pastes random text from elsewhere on screen

i dont know why

[hexed escarp]

doom eternal mod tools

[tulip garnet]

Oh yea that too

Doom is the only video game series I can somewhat depend on

[hexed escarp]

also this was technically first released end of last year but it just had its final release

eviternity 2

[tulip garnet]

Haven’t played that, but glad you like it :)

[hexed escarp]

its an absolutely excellent doom map set

same with eviternity 1

you should absolutely play both if you havent already

dont do it on the kex port tho since that has really bad compatibility issues atm

[tulip garnet]

Maybe I should

[hexed escarp]

eviternity, eviternity 2, and scythe 2 are my top 3 favorite wads of all time (im not sure in which order)

[finite yoke]

Tnt it's awesome, do you know?

[coral arch]

i tried playign scythe was really good untill like map 21 or 22

ima try scythe 2

[hexed escarp]

its still good after that, its just much more difficult

[hexed escarp]

yeah scythe 2 is on an entirely other level compared to the first

[coral arch]

ok so i wana play scythe 2 on hmp from what i see here

i had a fun time on scythe 1 on uv up till map 22

[hexed escarp]

when i say entirely other level i meant quality, not difficulty

[hexed escarp]

basically, scythe 2 is decently easy for the first episode, still pretty easy for episode 2 but getting a bit more tricky, intermediate difficulty for episodes 3 and 4, and then episodes 5 and 6 are insanely difficult

so you should be fine on uv for the first 4 episodes

and the first couple maps of the 5th, but map23 is where things get insane

(each episode is 5 maps in scythe 2)

[coral arch]

cyber demon on map 5 feels a bit early

well atleast they give ammo

i really dislike when maps do difficulty by lack of ammo

[red harbor]

bruhhhh bethesda.net is down

[stark plume]

Back to Saturn X E2 Map 31 is absolutely crazy

I just finished it and good Lord

It's straight up a slaughter map

[oblique plaza]

Yes, Mapwich, thanks.

Doom 2 monster pack, individual monsters: is it possible to load an individual monster from a monster pack like MEDB (short for MBF21 Expanded DOOM Bestiary project), so that I then play a level with say reskinned shotgun zombies/mancubi only (as contained in, for example, Red Sector wad) in game? Can I extract them from MEDB or Red Sector wads somehow? Also: are there other maps that feature the new zombie revenant other than the Red Sector, Stahl Der Verdamnis, the joke wads Spooky Scary Skeletons and Spooky Scary Skeletons 2 and the first 2 Trick 'n Tear wads pls? Thanks

[coral arch]

what update was just released for doom+doom2?

[little oar]

No idea, they stopped giving us patch notes after update 2

[coral arch]

ah they updated the mod browser

you can now search for mods

and it dosnt reset to first page when browsing mods

wich 1 of the doom 2 ports are the best to use for gzdoom?

[finite crag]

Isn't GZDoom already a port?

[little oar]

GZDoom is already a source port, you don't need another port alongside it for it to work

[twin mortar]

The guy might mean WADs

[finite crag]

Ohhh in that case I think GZDoom can run a lot of, if not any WAD, no?

[twin mortar]

Yes but there's minor differences between the DOOM II WADs for each version

[finite crag]

For whatever reason that reminded me of the Yellow Key in Pharoah(?) in TNT being Multiplayer only

[twin mortar]

I think that's the one yeah

[finite crag]

I still don't understand how something like that happens

[little oar]

I lied, they did give us patch notes this time
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2280/view/4675389307867623088?l=english

Actually some nice things too, MAP31 in TNT was fixed finally

[finite crag]

What was wrong with MAP31?

[twin mortar]

You just said it

[twin mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-liar-star-wars-lying-gif-8634649

[finite crag]

I think that was fixed long before DI + II

I thought, at least

[little oar]

It was, but ports still use the unfixed version for some odd reason

[twin mortar]

Yes but the ammount of official releases that use the fix is like... 3

[little oar]

Unity had it as well iirc

[twin mortar]

Let's see how much of this is added

[finite crag]

None of it?

[little oar]

Spoilers: only 1

[twin mortar]

I want to check for myself

Alright Lego was right lol

Boy are the cheats handled weird huh

[finite crag]

Lmao

[hardy hamlet]

Now when i click on the mods menu on PS5 it freezes

[red harbor]

THEY DID IT?!

[red harbor]

I think he means the Original (base) and Unity (rerelease) WADs

[red harbor]

I use the Original (base) WADs since the Unity ones only really do censoring

[tropic birch]

I fucking love id

[little oar]

id doesn't have much to do with these rereleases, this is mainly nightdive afaik

[tropic birch]

I fucking love night dive

[cold kettle]

who wants to do a 1v1? Classic Doom from steam required

[coral arch]

can mancubuses etc damage eachother? i know they cant infight if theya re the same monsters (exept humans) but can they still deal dmaage so if i get amncubvus to shoot another mkancubus will they take damage?

[celest coyote]

Same projectile groups cannot harm each other

Only type that can do that are hitscan or if the projectile blows up a barrel near another enemy of the same type

I used to think that cybers dealt only direct rocket damage to each other, but not splash damage. Sadly not how the game works

[noble fractal]

well well well I see the kex port wad browser has text search now... very good

[halcyon willow]

i ran that project 😉

[errant lark]

Weird, never happened to me before. Is it a recent problem or has it always happened? I’m on ps5 as well btw.

[jade solstice]

👀 doom console just updated - did they fix the save issue with mods

Woooo they did - at least based on steam notes

And cheats in pause menu - niceee

[cerulean sky]

how the hell would anybody get par time on map 10 of the master levels

i played it for the first time and got 31 minutes 😭

90 seconds is insane!

[azure nimbus]

try just running through it now that you know where to go

[austere tangle]

Uhhh I think something got screwed up in their achievement system

You can get the Ultra Violence and Nightmare achievements with cheats activated, same obviously goes for anything else

[azure nimbus]

happens

I appreciate them being cheesable. For a game that's been rereleased a million times, a lot of people have already beaten the vanilla maps enough

[austere tangle]

Oh my God

they FINALLY fixed Plutonia 2

It's one of those wads that failed at quick saving, taking you to the title screen

[austere tangle]

I'm never gonna be able to earn them legitimately (though I did legitimately try at the 100% kills no damage one in Tower of Babel), so I guess there's that

[median cloud]

Im trying them all legit

[noble fractal]

I also see that I still have the bizarre glitch where some wads don't seem to download right and just show me a black TITLEPIC when I launch them. and just launch doom 2 when I start a new game

idk if its a problem with the wads themselves or the console or the port or what

kex does seem to have trouble downloading things at times

[red harbor]

Not to be rude but how new are you to Doom? I'm not that experienced but the Plasma Rifle makes that challenge pretty easy

[coral arch]

anyone have any idea how to reach the yellow keycard ive been looking around for like 30 minutes trying to find how to get to it https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/268086704961748992/1291756315911131217/20241004153651_1.jpg?ex=67014151&is=66ffefd1&hm=ef804c86ccd1cdf0c64247b62118a79563134d3ac8c1bf88429236bc3d5ca5c0&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/268086704961748992/1291756316238413835/20241004153001_1.jpg?ex=67014151&is=66ffefd1&hm=f749a8d5fb27ac65e97c5847439955a9e673ebc1dea58af5f6326f475821a871&

[lapis wolf]

"Fixed an issue in which saves made from certain Mods would not load"

Finally lol

"Extended Boom feature compatibility to support a broader range of Mods. If your Boom or MBF21 Mods were having issues prior to this update, please try them again, and thanks everyone for all the reports so far!"

I wonder if this fixes Eviternity and certain Sunlust maps.

[red harbor]

only one way to find out

[celest coyote]

My wrist would like a word with you about Mapwich 2 map 17 😭

That is, if you also ran the sequel

[finite crag]

how do i play classic doom

[austere tangle]

I've been a DOOM fan since 2020

Still not a God gamer or something like that though

[austere tangle]

You buy it and play it

[red harbor]

Buy Doom + Doom II on Steam for $10 USD

[red harbor]

neither am i lol

[little oar]

Either play them through eternal (unlockable in game) ((don't do this one))
Or buy the recent and very good port called doom 1 + doom 2

[finite crag]

what is gzdoom

[celest coyote]

A very common source port used to play doom in the modern era

Very versatile and can run tons of mods

One of the big downsides is the multitude of options in-client that can feel overwhelming to many

[finite crag]

better than the doom1+ doom 2?

[finite crag]

so its customizable?

[celest coyote]

People seem to think so than the KEX Engine used by Doom + Doom 2

KEX came out with a number of bugs, but that’s expected of a new port and updates are coming

[celest coyote]

Very much so

[finite crag]

so if i want to play vanilla doom i go for the steam port

but for mods gzdoom?

[celest coyote]

For more vanilla experience, there are other source ports that strike that more original feel, such as Dosbox, Chocolate Doom, DSDA, etc.

Depends on how vanilla you wanna get

[finite crag]

man

i jus wanna play house.wad

[celest coyote]

For myhouse.wad, use GZDoom

It is the source port that mod was designed for

[finite crag]

what about other mods for doom like the cacodemon one or brutal doom

[celest coyote]

For more extensive mods that seek to go beyond the vanilla experience, such as brutal doom, use GZDoom

GZDoom will be your friend for those pursuits

[finite crag]

i see. what is the best way to experienc e vanilla doom

[little oar]

Either woof! or dsda for vanilla with some QoL stuff

[celest coyote]

I would recommend DSDA for the “best” vanilla experience as it keeps everything gameplay-wise vanilla, but updates the graphics/visuals to render/run better for the modern age

[little oar]

Or if you want super vanilla, down to the crunchiness, chocolate doom

[celest coyote]

But lots of people like Woof, Nugget, Chocolate Doom for vanilla as well

I have not used those ports, so idk about them personally

[finite crag]

oker

tanke you

[celest coyote]

Of course 🙂

[finite crag]

someone made a doom etenral mod for doom 2 bru

[hardy hamlet]

Every time i install a mod on PS5 it freezes my game when i go to the play menu to try playing. It's been happening since the new update.

It's even doing it to mods that usually work that i've uninstalled and reinstalled

[lapis wolf]

Holy shit, mods category actually lets you stay on the exact category and page you were on now

[hardy hamlet]

May have found a workaround though for now, download a mod then go into the mod browser instead of the play menu first.

[red harbor]

i'd recommend Chocolate Doom for a full vanilla experience, but if you want it to be a little nicer then Crispy Doom is great

GZDoom isn't even on the vanilla spectrum

[finite crag]

like i dont want it so vanilla that i cant aim up or dont have a crosshair

[red harbor]

you can do that in a multitude of ports (GZ included)

most if not all allow for that

[lapis wolf]

It resetting to the first page of the most popular was so dumb lol.

Glad it's finally fixed

[red harbor]

same

[finite crag]

so i just download gz doom?

[red harbor]

i mean if you wanna throw all vanilla-ness out of the windows besides no freelook or crosshair, go ahead

[finite crag]

oh

[red harbor]

personally for a more vanilla experience i'd recommend either PrBoom+ or Crispy Doom (depends how vanilla you want to get)

[finite crag]

some other guy mentioned DSDA

[azure nimbus]

dsda fully supprts freelook

[azure nimbus]

I don't think you need to worry about commiting to a port. you can swap ports at any time to work for what you are playing

[finite crag]

ima download both

[red harbor]

DSDA is a fork of PrBoom+, mainly for speedrunners

I use it for recording demos

[finite crag]

what is best way to experience doom 2 at its core with some minor qol upgrades then

[red harbor]

starting from Vanilla/DOSbox, probably Crispy Doom

I wouldn't recommend Chocolate Doom for what you want since it's basically how it was in the 90s but with no vertical mouse movement

[finite crag]

i see

oker tank u i dwonlao crispy and gz

[red harbor]

alright, hope you enjoy :D

also btw source ports dont come with the game pre-installed

[azure nimbus]

anyone can use dsda. it's casual friendly

[red harbor]

true, but it's somewhat aimed towards them

[azure nimbus]

there is no reason that new players should be afraid of dsda

settings are simple andfeatures are clear

[red harbor]

@finite crag better explanation of DSDA than i did :)

[red harbor]

fair warning, GZDoom is quite a bit more intensive\

[finite crag]

i like complexity im good thanks man

[red harbor]

alright but if your FPS is lower than you imagined dont be surprised

i love gzdoom but it's unoptimized as hell lol

[finite crag]

theres proba setting to loqwer that

i dont even have a graphics card i run on intels manliness

[red harbor]

i mean you can lower the resolution

[red harbor]

im praying for your fps (im stuck on integrated too 😭)

[halcyon willow]

I sure did (hoping one day to have the time for mapwich 3). Map 17 would be by Chester (RJD) and Sapfiar

It may contain some spice

It also uh, gets harder

[celest coyote]

Woops, I meant the Dubbz level. Maybe it's 19? It's been a while since I played it, my brain had time to safely repress those memories 😌

I beat all the other levels, but after 4 hrs on the rsk fight, my wrist had enough for the day...I was not ready for that uptick in difficulty

A mapwich 3 sounds like fun tho 🙂

[lapis wolf]

DBP 67: Marble Hill is really cool damn.

[halcyon willow]

Technically it's 19 but sequentially it's 23. I moved it to the secret map slot became yeah, that map sure is something lol

[noble fractal]

it depends
doom 1+2 is good because it has everything in one executable which is nifty
but if youre fine with running stuff from the command line woofdoom is probably better

[vale gyro]

Aight, anyone know how bad map05 and map06 of Archeon can get?

I’ve been able to get through map05 pretty well with my saving system

Just wanna know if I should expect anything crazy

[lapis wolf]

What are y'all favorite maps on Ancient Aliens?

[red harbor]

what do you guys think of commercial Non-ID I/PWADs (not the ones that are just shit from the internet thrown onto a disk like D!ZONE, im talking I/PWADs with actual effort (think HACX))?

[vast hull]

Like the lost episodes of doom?

[red harbor]

yeah thats another good example

[vast hull]

How was that one ?

[red harbor]

idk havent played all the way through it

[vast hull]

So far ?

[red harbor]

its pretty decent

[vale gyro]

guys

[red harbor]

yo what is it

[vale gyro]

I got Doom 1 on the 3DS now

[red harbor]

that's pretty tame considering what doom has been ran on but neat

that's 12 copies now?

[vale gyro]

it runs like ass lol

[vale gyro]

nah

[red harbor]

dude did you run GZDoom on it or something

[vale gyro]

nah, PrBoom3DS

[red harbor]

huh oddly explains it

i doubt PrBoom would run well on low end hardware from 11 years ago

the real test is chocolate doom

[azure nimbus]

There's something special about all these pure passion projects people make. But at the same time, even the indie-est of pwads(think one guy making a map for funzies) has the potential to be better than $60 triple A releases

Sometimes there's an expectation that the more love or care is put into a product, the less people will get paid for it

[stark plume]

Does anyone know what's the status on Back to Saturn X E3?

I'm almost done with BTSX E2 and it's making me kinda sad xD

[lapis wolf]

Holy shit Eviternity Map 15 secret exit actually works now

This update has done wonders

[red harbor]

im bored so im deciding to make a list of source ports to try to find my favorite once and for all, feel free to suggest some to add! currently i have GZDoom, DSDA-Doom and Chocolate Doom in the list

Edit: preferably source ports that are still being updated lol

[vale gyro]

Woof, Nugget Doom, Minty Doom (hey, it's a running gag at this point), PrBoom, PrBoom+

[red harbor]

i saw you typing and immediately thought "Minty Doom?"

[vale gyro]

yeah lmao

[red harbor]

also PrBoom AND PrBoom+? i get Woof and Nugget though

[vale gyro]

gotta give you all the options lmao

[red harbor]

true

[red harbor]

also congrats you made me add a rule to prevent deprecated (not making THAT typo) source ports

[vale gyro]

aw man :(

[red harbor]

uhhhh here's a medal 🏅

[vale gyro]

but I love deprecated, overly useless source ports!

[red harbor]

i too love Doom95 and DOSDoom, but im on Windows 11

[vale gyro]

fair, fair

[red harbor]

the only thing keeping me from Linux is software compatibility lol

[vale gyro]

so uhh, that limits it to Woof, Nugget, and Minty Doom

[vale gyro]

Wine does work most of the time

[red harbor]

wait PrBoom+ got discontinued?

[vale gyro]

and use a VM for everything else

[vale gyro]

yeah, it's direct successor is DSDA-Doom

it's been out of development for a while

[red harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/disintegrate-gif-22469816

[vale gyro]

Minty is barely available anymore

and on top of that it barely adds anything ontop of Chocolate

[red harbor]

hey i appreciate the honesty considering it's your project

[vale gyro]

I could send you the binaries but I'm unsure of the legality of doing so

as the source code's currently not up

due to my stupidity

[red harbor]

i wouldn't understand why there would be a law against the creator of some software distributing said software

[vale gyro]

it's because it's forked from Chocolate

I have to follow their license

[red harbor]

ohhhhhhh, my dumbass somehow forgot you forked it 😭

[vale gyro]

and if I'm reading it correctly I can't legally distribute something if the source code's not up

so the only thing that remains is Minty Launcher

as that's entirely my software

[red harbor]

i got woof and nugget in the list

[vale gyro]

they're both good ports btw

Nugget's literally just Woof with extra features

[red harbor]

yeah i've tried both before (hell, i started with woof)

[red harbor]

i'll deadass throw in Doomsday if somebody suggests it

[stark plume]

Idk if you already mentioned it but try Dos-Box to play Doom

[red harbor]

I've done that before, sucks that you have to load external programs just to disable Vertical Mouse Movement

[vale gyro]

DOSBOX isn't strictly necessary as you could use a VM, but yeah, do this

[stark plume]

The true Doom experience
You must feel the suffering you are inflicting

[vale gyro]

do Boom and/or MBF

[azure nimbus]

idk how tenable your goal is. Source ports aren't the type of object where one is "best." They're useful in different situations. Well, like 4 of em are between GZ, DSDA/woof/nugget for your vanilla+boom+mbf(11/21), heartland and your choices of multiplayer port if you're into that. I don't consider dosbox a doom port since it ports DOS, not doom. Doom, as far as doom2.exe is concerned is running on original software

[hardy hamlet]

It's also still broken, sometimes downloading a mod freezes my game and half the mods like Valiant that used to kinda work on PS5 don't anymore and are totally broken.

[cursive saddle]

I repeated the text I made 3 months ago and that son of a bitch said i spammed

Fine I shall repeat it and see if that asshole deletes it

I love brutal doom!
(Please don't cancel me)

Finally it didn't delete my ass

[stiff remnant]

is myhouse based on a true story? I wanted to make a level that is a parody on myhouse and modern horror in general but itd be kindof messed up to do that if thats the case

[red harbor]

AFAIK there's no proof going in either direction

[stiff remnant]

ah, my best bet then is probably to just distance it from myhouse out of respect. thanks 👍

[tropic timber]

Myhouse is fictional

At the true ending you find out that the creator died alongside his friend and made the map from beyond the grave

Also they were gay lovers

[stiff remnant]

that could also be a possibility yeah

I just really dont want to mock a mod with such heavy topics that could have really happened so thats why im asking

[tropic timber]

It’s a work of fiction

[red harbor]

yeah there's some parts that were obviously fiction (i.e the whole "OP is dead and made this in the afterlife" thing, also the entire journal), but there's some parts where honestly idk (the house pictures, the obituaries (though they could've easily been pulled from god knows where))

[red harbor]

ah, i never found that part, i just got to the real beach and called it a day

really good map though

does anyone know how to disable mouselook (and not deal with VMM) without having to edit the DMFLAGS every time a istart up the game?

[tropic timber]

It was in the gooogle drive

[tropic timber]

The obituaries are absolutely fake

[red harbor]

Yeah I don't look at obituaries all day so I wouldn't know

[lapis wolf]

I have a problem where sometimes beating a level will make saving not work except for quick saves (but quick saves will be really laggy), and many of your regular loads won't show up at all

This is fixed after rebooting the game

[lapis wolf]

I need to try Valiant again, but so far all the mods work much better for me.

And I can actually load saves on them now.

[jade solstice]

Is the log in for Bethesda net broken

I can’t check the mod catalog because it says an internal error has occurred when I try to log in.. usually it just auto logs me in

[warm palm]

Somebody please make Doom 1 but without Lost Souls please and thank you

[split smelt]

hi! can someone suggest me a coop wad to play with someone i know? we already did btsx e1 and e2

he's not the kind of person to like stuff like valiant because its too modified for him

[opaque rose]

are the doom 2 master levels supposed to be pistol started for all of them?

[twin mortar]

Yes, except TEETH-to-secret level

[red harbor]

IIRC NRFTL was made with co-op in mind, hence the stronger enemies

[twin mortar]

I'm pretty sure NRFTL had as many demons as it did to show off the X360's power

[median cloud]

U sure? It doesnt have any more monsters than Plutonia

And the x360 should easily handle more

Nrtfl has bigger maps though

[twin mortar]

It required limit removing, so yeah, I am sure it had more than Plutonia, per level at least

[south prawn]

Online deathmatch game night (eu)

I will be hosting a deathmatch server on this weeks (5.okt.) sunday night (9-10pm CEU) in doom+doom 2. More info down below.

So the eu dm playerbase has been dead for this game since the week it came out. And I want to revive it because this game's deathmatch is too good to be forgotten.

Infos:

Game: Doom+doom 2

SERVER'S NAME: Chefguy's dm club

Open from/till: 9pm-10pm ( central europe time zone)

Max player count: 16

Map pack: offical deathmatch map pack

Frag limit: 75

Time limit: 10min

If there will be atleast 2 players joining me the next night I will make these game nights every sunday!

[ebon forum]

I want to make a DOOM II map pack that's what I imagine the levels should look like when I listen to Andrew Hulshult's soundtrack.

[lapis wolf]

Just beat Ancient Aliens for the first time.

That was awesome

[obtuse raft]

I did too

[finite crag]

Do it

[ebon forum]

Okay. Y'all know if the Kex port can handle really large levels?

Like, really large.

Like 4 Icon Of Sins large

[finite crag]

Yes

Well, probably

[ebon forum]

Well then I just gotta make sure to keep it compatible and include the PWAD I made of Shulty's DOOM II for the ModDB release.

[finite crag]

Good luck, I believe in you

[warm palm]

caco

i lub caco

[finite crag]

fr

[upper crypt]

Do y’all think DOOM I + DOOM II would ever include a level editor, both for Consoles or PC?

[little oar]

Doubt it. Doom level editors/creators have existed for forever with fanmade stuff, and bethesda knows of it and doesn't mind.
No reason to waste time/resources on something that's already been super accessible

[azure nimbus]

I think the venn diagram of people willing to download the free and very small file sized ultimate doom builder vs people who want to make maps and will spend effort on it is one circle

[robust compass]

https://youtu.be/Io6rn9S6VwY?si=k7wRuN6xAT53Yjzi

[sick yacht]

Does DSDA Doom support chex3.wad ?

[vale gyro]

I think it does?

worst comes to worst there's a fanmade vanilla version

[red harbor]

yes

i would know since i use it

nevermind for some reason the Chex Quest 2 episode doesn't work with DSDA

the other episodes seem to work

[sick yacht]

It seems a little bit bugged to me

[ebon forum]

Man I been listening to Shulty's IDFKA for DOOM II and holy shit...

it's argent metal

[red harbor]

yeah chex quest 3 on dsda is nowhere near perfect

might be better if you try it as a pwad with Ultimate Doom

nvm

at least it loads the correct title screen, so that's something

[red harbor]

wait i just checked the doom wiki (not the fandom one), "Chex Quest 3 is a 2008 computer game which runs on the ZDoom engine."

so yeah no, best bet is GZDoom

[vale gyro]

there's what I mentioned earlier as well

it's Chex Quest 3 but it can run in vanilla

[red harbor]

keyword is CAN, the second episode crashes the game

other levels might too, havent tested past the first level of each episode

[vale gyro]

I just tested it and it doesn't

the crashing is only seen with the original version of Chex Quest 3

it is otherwise absent from the vanilla version

[red harbor]

yeah, 1 and 2 were made for the og doom engine while 3 was made for ZDoom and it's forks

so im not surprised there

[vale gyro]

yeah, same here

but yeah, try that vanilla version

it does work

[red harbor]

also does anybody have any headcanons for the lack of colored blood so i can cope over the fact that they wont add an easy to implement feature that nobody would dislike and i need mods to do said thing

[vale gyro]

nope

all I got is maybe your shooting armor off the cacodemon

[red harbor]

same, i guess you could say you're shooting off the baron's skin as well? i've got nothing for the hell knights, lost souls and revenants (why the hell do they even bleed if they're skeletons) though

crispy is great btw 😎

[ebon forum]

I swear to God wtf

[red harbor]

wait nvm i cant find that interaction

i might be stupid

uhhhhh pretend i didnt say that

[ebon forum]

Now I'm sad that I can't mock id about that

[jade solstice]

Wtf did they break “modern co op” - maybe my game is just bugging 🫠

I lose weapons in co op now.

[opaque rose]

Playing the master levels I beat paradox one try

Holy shit that was rough

I went counterclockwise so I diddnt have the SSG for basically the entire map

[bleak epoch]

How does classic doom sound when using a stereo system?

[median cloud]

Is it me or did they improve the Kex port?

The mouse input feels better and the original music is now at a reasonable volume

[cursive saddle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1288039613113565204/1292448391313490031/quote_1292448154800881665.png?ex=6703c5dd&is=6702745d&hm=3b2628fe26817be0bf111c7a517eb030f4ce090c9011c5bf4129e85f8e919e5a&

[sick yacht]

@vale gyro is there any difference between original chex quest 3 and chex quest 3 vanilla ?

[median cloud]

It does still crash a lot

[lunar rune]

Yes they heavily improved on everything

In the first actual update to the game

[cold geyser]

I'm having a problem
I wanted to play Lost in Darkness 2.1.8, but after I select the difficulty it crashes, i'm using GZDoom, anyone know why?

[celest coyote]

Relevant posting 🎙️

[urban trench]

Eviternity II's Temeraire... Red skull key battle feels impossible. I beat the blue skull battle by escaping via the elevator.

[vale gyro]

Not exactly sure what differences there are

[noble fractal]

pick me up

[opaque rose]

Y’all I can’t stop thinking about that one evilution map that has you AVJ to get a mega charge

[median cloud]

Does tnt map 31 still have the missing yellow key?

[opaque rose]

No

[astral silo]

guys, I'm on DOOM II - Map19: The Citadel

and I'm in the room where you press the button and two doors open, I went through as much as the level as I could on my own but I couldn't figure it out. so then I watched a walkthrough

Now whenever I press the button, the left door doesn't open, only the right door will. I'm trying to get the yellow key, can anyone help???

[opaque rose]

Post a pic in #screenshots

[opaque rose]

I believe the left door issnt activated by the button, rather a linedev, you gotta be quick!

[astral silo]

Did that, I'm still really confused

[opaque rose]

@astral silo at the end of the day you dont need the yellow key to finish the level, just red and blue/yellow

[astral silo]

oh shit, really?

[opaque rose]

Yeah, to find the exit its on the moat

Where all the specters were

[surreal portal]

yeah its a weird map

you only need red for the middle pillar and one other

[lapis wolf]

Wow there's more cheats in KEX than there are in Unity

We even have no clipping wtf

[twin mortar]

In the cheat selection menu*

[lapis wolf]

Wait why TF does KEX let you get achievements when cheats are activated?

[red harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-shrek-meme-shrek-good-question-good-question-gif-7176451729184982026

[wanton cave]

Was the cheat menu always there? Or is it new for this port

[stark plume]

BTSX E1 and 2 were so good

Feeling sad that I've finished both xD

[little oar]

They added it in the most recent update

[wanton cave]

Gotcha
Now I can finally beat plutonia /j

[finite crag]

Obligatory "You cheated not only the game but yourself" copypasta

[wanton cave]

Did they change ammo pickups for coop?

[finite crag]

What do you mean

[wanton cave]

Like everyone can pick up the same ammo drop?

[finite crag]

No

If it's a weapon that was placed by the map maker yes everyone can

[stark plume]

Which one should I play first
Alien Vendetta, Eviternity, Sunder, Plutonia 2

[sick yacht]

Im trying to play master levels for doom 2 but the initial levels all have the same song. Is it normal ?

[finite crag]

On the Unity port yes

[sick yacht]

Was it like this on the original too ?

[finite crag]

No

Well idk actually

If you're on DOOM I + II it will be it's own soundtrack

[sick yacht]

I noticed that on kex port it has different songs

[finite crag]

So then yeah

[little oar]

Yeah, because the way the original master levels worked was they just replace MAP01 of doom 2

[lapis wolf]

Unity had it as well

[opaque rose]

going through master levels man the black tower is sufficently kicking my ass

[median cloud]

One of the only good levels in the master levels, but yeah it's more difficult

[honest yew]

Hi, I've been replaying 1, 2, Master levels and Finaldoom over the last month and I must say 1 is still my favorite. I'm busy with Plutonia Experiment right now and its fun, but the levels are HUUUGE

[median cloud]

Really? TNT is the one with the notoriously big levels but plutonia has harder levels in general

The plutonia levels aren't THAT big normally

[honest yew]

Its my first time playing TNT and Plutonia, both seem to have much bigger levels than I'm used to, but yes TNT was even bigger. Still really fun though

[median cloud]

I can't really remember many plutonia levels standing out as big to me, they were definitely more difficult however

But compared to like the citadel in Doom 2, plutonia is shorter

[stone stone]

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/142015-final-eviternity-ii-final-version-out-now/?page=36&tab=comments#comment-2853851
eviternity2 is final release
(There will probably be minor corrections.)

It works to some extent with the KEX port, but it crashes because it does not have the same detailed functions as DSDA, it returns an error and unloads with MAP33 with ZDOOM code, it crashes when you start it for the second time with this WAD in local...etc. There are many crash factors that are not recommended. (MAP33 or later is not recommended.
(to my horror, MAP30 and MAP37 worked as is).
I hope that the number of people fighting the FINALBOSS of this WAD will increase to consoles.

[median cloud]

What's you guys favorite map from each classic wad?

[red harbor]

Doom 1: E1M7 or E2M2

Doom 2: MAP02

[red harbor]

crazy how PrBoom+ is dead 🫡

long live dsda-doom

[prisma dove]

Hello, i have Doom classic on my Xbox 360, I've heard somewhere it's crossplay, someone know if it's true?

[red harbor]

xbox 360? no, they likely mean the newer KEX port

you likely have the XBLA version

[prisma dove]

Yes lol

[red harbor]

then yeah no luck there when it comes to playing with people on PC, PlayStation or Switch

[prisma dove]

Also, I'm playing it for the first time, I've brought it a bit ago before Microsoft store on 360 closes but never played it...man, it's so much fun

Or before, to be honest I don't remember when I've brought the game

[twin mortar]

From before 2019, as that's when it was delisted

[urban trench]

Finally Temeraire done. A lovely map, in the end.

[prisma dove]

Probably

[twin mortar]

Definitely

[lapis wolf]

Dreamcatcher Apparatus is a top tier WAD

Damn

[prisma dove]

Maybe

[silver sage]

is there a gz doom mod for idfk 1 and 2?

[twin mortar]

I love the cheat code "I DON'T FUCKING KNOW", so many childhood memories of using it

[vale gyro]

IDKFA 1, yes. IDKFA 2 is strictly for KEX for what it seems.

[red harbor]

You could theoretically port it over if you REALLY want it

[vale gyro]

Yeah, you could

[red harbor]

IIRC you have to change the first letter to something for it to work, I don't remember what that letter is

But yeah there are mods for the albums

[tropic birch]

The game has been crashing a lot for me lately, any one else?

[warm geode]

Same here, don't know how to avoid a crash after beating Episode 3 in Doom 1.

[errant goblet]

im guessing that's for the bethesda 1+2 re-release? it's probably a bug of some kind

[vale gyro]

If y’all are on PC you can use a source port

[twin mortar]

Or downgrade

[vale gyro]

Otherwise you’re kinda stuck using KEX

[errant goblet]

i always use gzdoom

[twin mortar]

Well, duh, I don't think the crash was intentionally coded in

[vale gyro]

Only if they owned the game prior to KEX’s release

[twin mortar]

No

[vale gyro]

I’m sorry but blegh

[twin mortar]

You can downgrade to older betas

Just go to properties

[vale gyro]

I was referring to console

Not Steam

[errant goblet]

ohh i see

yea then you're kinda fucked

[twin mortar]

I was adding onto what you said here about PC

[warm geode]

I have used source ports before, just wanted to support the new upgraded version.

[vale gyro]

Oh, sorry

[twin mortar]

You're good

[errant goblet]

is gzdoom a mixed bag? i've used it as my source port my entire life

[twin mortar]

I just got into a bit of an argument over it in the Heretic server to it

It is mixed because it is a fantastic engine but average source port

[errant goblet]

i guess that makes sense

[vale gyro]

Yeah, as a Doom source port GZDoom sucks ass

[errant goblet]

although it is really simpel to just install and play

[twin mortar]

Whether you use them or not, the lack of good vanilla settings is lazy

[vale gyro]

I wouldn’t call 1 hour of setup simple tbh

If you like using GZ, keep using it

[red harbor]

optimization wise? yeah it sucks ass

[vale gyro]

But God fuck that settings menu

[red harbor]

when it comes to features i like it though

[vale gyro]

The fact like 20% of the settings aren’t even in there pissed me off

[errant goblet]

i mean, just set up a folder for gzdoom, install it, export it to the folder, get a few wads that can play on it, and you're set for a while

[twin mortar]

Not really

[vale gyro]

And those settings are all important must change ones

[red harbor]

i never understood why you need to toggle the good settings menu (or why graf "le no chicken" zahl likes texture filtering)

[errant goblet]

well in my defense this is my first tiem actually asking about doom source ports and i just now found out my port of choice is considered vomit

[vale gyro]

I’d rather just download Woof and take like 5 minutes to get it set up

[errant goblet]

whatever, it ran Eviternity 2 perfectly so i don't really care all that much

[red harbor]

its not shit, just really unoptimized

[vale gyro]

Only by purists like us

[red harbor]

DSDA-Doom is great, same is Woof/Nugget

[warm geode]

I'll have to try more as well, thank you all for suggestions 👍

[vale gyro]

Some more casual players hate anything we like and would rather use GZ

We’re the opposite and hate GZ and would rather use DSDA or Woof/Nugget

[red harbor]

im a gzdoom guy but i use dsda for demos given the lack of compatibility for gzdoom demos

[errant goblet]

i guess i fall into that category, mostly because i'm lazy and don't wanna bother setting up a whole other source port

[twin mortar]

How do you forget the 3 most vanilla options, sir

Crispy, Choco and DOSBox

[vale gyro]

I’m referring to the mix between casual and purist

Of course those 3 are for diehard purists

[errant goblet]

because there's a line between pure and archaic

[vale gyro]

I effing love Crispy Doom

Which is why I liked Woof

[twin mortar]

I don't think playing the game in its original state is archaic

[red harbor]

dont do Crispy like that

Chocolate and DOSbox are for diehard purists

[errant goblet]

last time i played crispy doom was on the xbox 360 - or at least i think that was crispy

[vale gyro]

Yeah, crispy falls between diehard purist and casual purist somehow

[vale gyro]

Yeah, not at all

[red harbor]

last i checked Crispy isnt on the 360

[vale gyro]

360 has its own port

[red harbor]

you likely had the XBLA version (or god forbid the BFG edition)

[twin mortar]

I love how dumb this message is

Sorry Nuze but you are comparing the same exact version lol

[errant goblet]

ye i think it was the bfg edition - although it was so long ago i don't remember

[twin mortar]

On 360, BFG just installs the XBLA versions

[vale gyro]

But yeah, if y’all prefer GZ just use it

But please try other ports out

[red harbor]

THIS

if you prefer GZ's features like i do, then there's no shame in that, but PLEASE try out other ports, there's a lot of great ones out there

I have high regard for DSDA (you could try PrBoom+ but that sadly got killed off) and Woof/Nugget (Nugget has more features but they may not be to your liking)

also for the love of god stay away from Doomsday, the models suck ass

Eternity is alright, but you'll only really use it for Heartland

[warm geode]

Submitted a support ticket about Doom 1 E3M8 ending crash to Bethesda support. Hope it helps somehow.

[errant goblet]

hopefully they do help with it - that sounds really annoying

i only played the 1+2 port for legacy of rust

[red harbor]

fun fact! you can take the LoR wad (id1.wad) and play it in any mbf21 compatible source port (albeit with some issues, mainly the lack of the Doom 1 style intermission screen and the banshees do no damage, but GZDoom does have those fixed in the dev builds (at least pre179 and newer)

also another random fun fact, wad is an acronym for "Where's All the Data?"

[errant goblet]

yea that'sa fact i've known for a hot minute thanks to decino

but yea the only reason i got the bethesda port and not just the wad was to support the devs

[tacit remnant]

I played a bit with the Doomsday port. It’s cursed AF but it has a weird charm imo. The models kinda remind me of Super Mario 64 in a way lol

[red harbor]

same

like it's a 30 year old game i COULD download the wads off of internet archive (and i admittedly did for a while) but i decided to buy Doom + Doom II even if it was just for LoR (and supporting ID)

[solemn whale]

where do i go to ask questions about crashes with the bethesda port?

[tacit remnant]

#870297029539139625 I’d think

[red harbor]

no that's for their twitter for online services

[tacit remnant]

Okay

[red harbor]

id assume somewhere on their website

[warm geode]

https://help.bethesda.net/#en/home

[solemn whale]

fuc no help here?

[warm geode]

That's where I submitted my ticket.

[solemn whale]

what issue did you encounter?

i keep crashing when i complete map 8 of doom II

[warm geode]

Unavoidable crash on Doom 1 E3M8 ending.

[solemn whale]

oh weird i didnt have a crash there i think? having the same issue on doom 2 M8 though

everything is fine but when i trigger the exit button my game freezes and crashes

[tacit remnant]

Have you verified the integrity of your files?

[solemn whale]

when i play the map from just selecting it from "select level," i can finish it, but when i play from my save file, i cant??

[solemn whale]

doing this right now 🫡

[warm geode]

Just tried again after verifying files here. Success!

[solemn whale]

still crashed for me, just booted up the next map

[final moss]

1v1 doom + doom 2 right now

[tropic birch]

Actually for me it’s different, every time it’s crashed so far, it’s only when I load a save. It’s only crashed while playing eviternity, it’s not like I can’t go through playing the whole thing without it crashing, I can it just crashes a lot lately. Maybe it has something to do with the wad? But it didn’t crash the first two times I played it so idk.

[opaque rose]

Was doom ever on a cd? Or was it always on floppy

[azure nimbus]

would you count console ports

[vale gyro]

Yes. Several times in fact.

Well, unless you’re referring strictly to Doom 1 and not UDoom or Doom 2

[true current]

Have any of these newest updates changed compatibility settings?

[opaque rose]

playing throug the master levels man the archie jumpscare in nessus got me good

[lapis wolf]

I'm not entirely sure why Map 1, Map 15, and Map 27 are the only Eviternity maps that I like.

Lmao

[finite crag]

real

[vast reef]

??? in what universe are you taking 1 hour to set up gz

[vast reef]

gzdoom does its job of compatibility, moddability, and ease of use

[azure nimbus]

They're all easy to use

[vast reef]

there are no casual players that hate dsda-doom or crispy doom

[vast reef]

this is true

[azure nimbus]

Doom ports aren't rocket surgery. You unzip the file and tell your launcher about it. Genuinely less than 5 min

[red harbor]

i think he means settings, but even then it's 10 mins at most

[vast reef]

rocket surgery

[vast reef]

yeah every popular source port has easy settings to use

[azure nimbus]

it's not easy

The real thing that sways very new players from DSDA or analogous demo compatable ports is the belief that GZ is easier to deal with. When realistically, they're similar. Sure, GZ has a lot of settings but they are options and not needed to mess with. Or the belief that DSDA doesn't have freelook(since 0.28 it does have full freelook)

[vast reef]

true, rockets have all sorts of bizarre diseases

[azure nimbus]

no you're doing surgery with a rocket

[vast reef]

oh that works too

[vast reef]

yeah true gz gets recommended to first-timers a lot even if it's not that much easier to set up compared to crispy or dsda or woof

honestly i just ask if they want mods and recommend gz if they do and crispy or dsda if they don't

[azure nimbus]

both will boot up and play immediately -- and if you want DSDA to be fully demo compat, ya gotta do the not so complicated but small amount of effort -complevel # command. If you want GZ to not look ugly, you have to do the slightly more complicated small amount of work to remove most of the dumb texture stuff

Bridgeburner makes real GZ levels. But certainly a lot of GZ focused stuff is primarily for messing about with mods.

[vast reef]

yeah

[azure nimbus]

Then there's the fact that um...you can download both!

this isn't some life altering bifurcation in the road. Use what's best for what you're playing

[red harbor]

i will NEVER understand how graf likes texture filtering

[vast reef]

i think my total vanilla gameplay with freelook on is getting to about half of my total vanilla gameplay without freelook

dsda's freelook is so awesome

[vast reef]

maybe it's just good game design

it encourages the player to check out the settings menu

[red harbor]

we're playing checkers while graf is playing 6d chess with extra salt

[vale gyro]

Being nitpicky + shit settings menu + most of the settings I need not even in the settings menu

[red harbor]

thoughts on Doom CE?

[soft ridge]

hello! I'm playing DOOM + DOOM II, very well Enchanced PC port and many features

[red harbor]

it's not bad at all

community has made better (even for the purposes that Doom + Doom II is trying to achieve), but it's not bad by any means

[finite crag]

I know this sounds really weird but I wanna see a DOOM 64 mod for DOOM II

[vale gyro]

Well, Doom CE does exist

Although it’s more of playing 64 in GZ than anything

Also yeah, I’m alive. I didn’t die from the explosion.

[red harbor]

Doom CE:

they also have a PSX Doom and PSX Final Doom version

[finite crag]

I'm dumb xd

[finite crag]

Yaey You're back

[red harbor]

nah dw about it

[red harbor]

during the WHAT

[vale gyro]

I exploded mid-convo last night. Average CoderPenguin error.

Indigo can confirm

[red harbor]

oh

im guessing it was in general?

[vale gyro]

Nah

[red harbor]

huh

because i dont see anything here

[vale gyro]

It’s an inside joke, no context to it

Get Vega’d

[red harbor]

VEGA PLEASE

anyways im silly for not understanding lol

[vale gyro]

You’re good lol

Nobody would understand it

[fresh briar]

Hello. I want to replay all of Doom+Doom2 on UV plus. Should I activate the fast monsters and co-op items in the difficulty modifiers to recreate it???

[cold geyser]

Doomseeker is refusing to load the servers when I try to join, terminal pops up for a split second and closes
Please help

[arctic pulsar]

I managed to break a piece of my table because of the brutal doom cyberdemon

[tacit remnant]

Just add co-op things. UV with fast monsters is its own category (UV fast IIRC)

[azure nimbus]

Traditionally, UV+ has meant UV with -coop_spawns. The unity port's UV+ also had -fast enabled. Ultimately, it's up to you what you play and how you do it

[torn beacon]

dont pistol start against thee wickedly, worst mistake of my life

i died 29 times

john romero is my mortal enemy

[twin mortar]

E4M6 is crazy fun with hard challenges, or just on UV

[torn beacon]

yeah now that i've learned it it'd probably be funner but still it made me sad

[molten socket]

Can proudly say that my device can now barely run doom 🙏🙏🙏

[median cloud]

Now that you beat it you’ve become better

[red harbor]

What source port?

[red harbor]

do you guys think that #9B0000 is a good blood color for revenants?

[red harbor]

Nevermind I just smacked them with +NOBLOOD

[molten socket]

Doom and doom II on steam lol

[red harbor]

yeah that's a bit more intensive than something like Chocolate Doom

[molten socket]

Yea

Still find it a bit funny

[misty loom]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855626364853288970/1293684116587413514/2024-10-09_17-18-10.mp4?ex=670844b8&is=6706f338&hm=42e1effb55d636b07a239383b43c72b3536252128dc1f3849f924c66e13ae7cf&

curse of the funny wall in e4m6

[sick yacht]

It looks like the mancubus says “angry bird”

Have you ever thought about that ?

[sick yacht]

Try gzdoom or lzdoom

Maybe it runs better

[molten socket]

?

[vale gyro]

GZ would not run better

maybe LZDoom?

but I'd say try out DSDA-Doom, it'd run much better

[sick yacht]

The doom engine (id Tech 1) is open source, so there are modified engines like lzdoom, dsda doom, crispy doom, etc that you can use. You only need the official game files, which you can get from your steam installation

[molten socket]

Ah ok

[unreal pike]

anyone know this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3616ZFGpqw

[hexed escarp]

yes its stupid

[versed seal]

Who's crucible do I have to suck to report a bug?

ayo bridge burner is a moderator? noice!
idk what website to use to report this co-op bug I ran into with Legacy of Rust lol, email? or what do I do

Photo #1
Photo #2

e1m7 (I think) someone was hosting and we finished few maps, then this started and was already OFF! I was not the only one bugging too lol

message of another guy in-game that had the same issue, and probably another dude too since I saw them stuck on the map as well

[oblique plaza]

Mapwich.wad: cool, very HW demanding maps tho. which Mapwich maps run the smoothest pls?

[earnest gulch]

Hey, I bought Doom 1 + 2 on steam. One folder is for DOS, another is re-release and the 3rd one is the base game I assume?

Should I use the classic wads with source ports?

[versed seal]

Base has the wads

yeah, use DOOM.wad that's in BASE folder and also DOOM2.wad inside Base>doom2

most mods/wads use DOOM2.wad but have both in there with your sourceport of choice

if you're using GZDoom, Doom Mod Loader (2.5) is a nice tool, locate your sourceport, wads and mods folder, and then combine whatever and launch the game B-)

but drag-drop wads unto the sourceport is just an easy quick way, I prefer Mod Loader cause my sourceport folder got really cluttered with wads and mods that I keep losing track of lol

DOOM Mod Loader app

[versed seal]

if the remaster port is too demanding for you, you can always try other sourceports, DSDA-Doom usually is just as fast as ever I'm sure. and supports almost all custom wads (except the GZDoom exclusives)

[earnest gulch]

Got it. I'll play through them vanilla first since I've never played doom.

[median cloud]

TNT Evilution has great soundtracks man

The tnt mappack really is growing on me I won't lie

I think I prefer it over Doom 1 now aha

[versed seal]

Blasphemy!! I’m sure you meant prefer it over DOOM2 🤨🤨

[median cloud]

Nah Doom 2 still holds up for me due to nostalgia factor, which I strangely don't really have for Doom 1 despite playing it more when I was a kid

Maybe preferring it over Doom 1 is too big of a statement now that I'm doubling down on it, but I'm pleasantly surprised by how many tnt maps I actually like

[versed seal]

When you’re done, you might wanna do this strange trip through TNTPhobia https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/146583-boom-cl9-tntphobia-an-oniric-walking-simulator-tribute-to-tnt-evilution-v12-now-on-idgames/

10/10 would recommend, super well done! Just immersive

[median cloud]

That's a no monster wad right?

But like more of an experience

[versed seal]

Oh yeah, more of a flex on mapping, I don’t remember monsters though, maybe they’re there maybe they’re not, but you do get to shoot things

But a well done trip through TNT for sure! Seamless and just mesmerizing

[median cloud]

TNT Revilution is also one of my favorite custom wads of all time

But not that similar to regular TNT imo

[lunar rune]

Like Plutonia 2, Plutonia 2 basically just uses Plutonia's textures and the fact that slime doesn't hurt you in Plutonia

[azure nimbus]

plutonia flips a coin every map deciding whether slime hurts

[celest coyote]

Better to assume every liquid is damaging until it isn’t lol

Even water…😭

[merry nacelle]

Happy birthday to doom

Happy birthday to doom

Happy birthday happy birthday

Happy birthday to doom

[twin mortar]

You're a bit early

[merry nacelle]

How come?

Oh I meant doom 2

[twin mortar]

Now you're on time

[merry nacelle]

Haha

Happy birthday to basically everything except for the archvile

Happy birthday to sfx DSBOSSIT

[split sigil]

John Romero

[celest coyote]

Oh… 😔

[merry nacelle]

Blocked

[split sigil]

pat pat pat
I still like you, happy birthday

[twin mortar]

I will never get Arch-vile hate, unironically

They're really fun to fight

[merry nacelle]

Yeah I just hate it when the archvile resurrects the icon of sin

Also I'm just hating because it's funny

[red harbor]

same, just kill it first?

what i DO understand is pain elemental hate

[twin mortar]

I don't

Genuinely the easiest enemy in DOOM II, after the Zombieman

[merry nacelle]

And imp

[twin mortar]

It's easier than the imp

[merry nacelle]

Dude it summons stupid flying mfs

[twin mortar]

And you can stop it from doing that by hugging it

Literally all there is to it, just hug it, it won't be able to fight back

[merry nacelle]

I don't wanna hug that son of a bitch

[twin mortar]

Well then he'll spit skulls at you

[red harbor]

true, but thats once you get in it's face

[twin mortar]

Which is easy

[red harbor]

until then it's spitting out lost souls

[red harbor]

chaingunner spam:

[twin mortar]

I specified DOOM II here

[red harbor]

oh base doom 2? no master levels?

[twin mortar]

Yes

[red harbor]

then nvm

pain elementals are pathetic on their own, but an absolute pain when there's backup in the way

[oblique plaza]

A good Doom 2 wads combination?

Scorching Earth - near perfect city/tech maps

with

Red Sector wad for custom enemies

and

Voyage Infernal wad for custom weapons (better plasma gun, chainsaw replacement that is like a mix of blaster pistol from Minority Report 2002 movie and inside-out gun from Machete Kills 2013 movie, etc)

for me pls.

Possible to somehow use the new Harkubus sprites from MEDB monster pack to reskin regular/og Mancubi in whatever map I am going to play pls? Thanks

[smoky dawn]

doom 2 birthday

:)

[finite crag]

DOOM II aged like wine

[merry nacelle]

Doom 2 was the greatest game ever made, except maybe doom (2016)

[gusty falcon]

I was having a pretty good day until I find this on the discord of a YouTuber I frequent

https://twitter.com/doom_txt/status/1844433488885481663

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3100730/Zugnaex/

doom_txt (@doom_txt) on X

Amazing things are happening: A DW user named "DoomBattleZone" attempted a fork of Odamex named "Zugnaex", claims AI made substantial changes to the source code, and wants to charge $5 for it on Steam.

Twitter · Oct 10, 2024, 5:43 PM

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Zugnaex

Zugnaex: A Classic FPS Experience ReimaginedStep into the world of Zugnaex, the ultimate fusion of nostalgic FPS action and modern gameplay enhancements. Designed for fans of the genre's golden era, Zugnaex offers seamless compatibility with legendary classics such as DOOM® and DOOM® II. Whether you’re reliving the glory days or discovering thes...

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