classic-doom

[peak quail]

And the many names

Brutal doom, pliosek doom

[little oar]

I wish we'd get a rerelease of those old crappy levelpacks, d!zone included

[twin mortar]

The Ultimate DOOM is basically just the first DOOM with another episode. It's included in every port.
Maximum DOOM is an old shovelware collection id made full of fan-made shit levels, it's hard to get your hands on, and don't. It sucks, and it has like 3k levels

I have no idea what pliosek DOOM is

[twin mortar]

WizardWorks doesn't exist anymore and the only official levelpack they made was Q!Zone

[little oar]

Brutal doom is a fan mod and is in no way official, so don't worry about the new ports not having it

[twin mortar]

And it's bad

[peak quail]

I don't care too much of fanmade only officials.

Fanmade is later

[twin mortar]

Is that all you need to know? I'm about to have to go to do something so if you have any questions right now, shoot 'em

[peak quail]

Plissken doom

[twin mortar]

Whatever it is, it's fanmade, so you don't have to worry about it

[peak quail]

OK just give me a moment I either give you the minute where he talks about the doom 2 levels

[little oar]

Then Ultimate Doom is the only one of those you'd need to worry about, and doom 1 + doom 2 uses it. Afaik every rerelease of doom since 95 uses ultimate Doom instead of doom 1

[twin mortar]

I can't watch anything right now, man

[little oar]

There is no difference except that it has an extra episode 4

[twin mortar]

GBA port doesn't use UDoom, everything else has it I believe

[little oar]

And removing the NIN logo which doesn't change anything and means nothing tbh

[twin mortar]

E1M1 was updated with the secret switch in the staircase room

[twin mortar]

That wasn't UDoom

[little oar]

That wasn't on the og?

[twin mortar]

Nope

[little oar]

Huh. Alr then

[opaque rose]

With old dos versions of doom is there a way to permantly turn on straifing?

[peak quail]

Just watch a sec of that video at 16:00. That's for the ps3 @little oar @red harbor . also the doom definitive edition on ps4 does that have all the official levels like your seeing there

I could d.m you the screenshot of that list, @twin mortar

[unreal pike]

anyone know Hydra DOOM?

[little oar]

Those levels at 16 are part of doom 2, so it does have those yes

[little oar]

If you're using the steam dosbox setup, you should be able to go into the controls config file and set strafe left/right to specific keys (like a/d)

[peak quail]

OK that's it then, but confirm doom definitive edition its port by fans

[little oar]

The doom ports on ps4 are officially by ID/Bethesda, though they did have some fans working on it

[opaque rose]

I’m running it on an online dos box cuz I’m at school lmao

[little oar]

But yes, the ps4 doom games have all officially released levels outside the super weird stuff like maximum doom (which just had a few thousand fanmade levels and apparently isn't very good anyways)

[azure nimbus]

Are you sure that you want to disable your ability to turn? Because that's what strafe on will do. But you could go to your config and set the joyb_key strafe to 29 I guess

[little oar]

Then I'd have no idea. You'd need access to the config file to edit anything

[azure nimbus]

if you mean always run, then set joyb_speed to 29 in the config

[opaque rose]

No I meant not turning, I can’t get used to old-school controls

[azure nimbus]

So you want to disable your ability to turn?

[opaque rose]

I died at e1m3 on hurt my plenty

[azure nimbus]

what strafe on does is completely disable your ability to turn, instead a "turn" input will be interpreted as strafing sideways. You're sure that you want to be unable to turn?

run "setup" to change controls

if you mean "I want wasd controls", run setup and change the controls.

[red harbor]

bruh where is my doomworld confirmation email

[red harbor]

theyre saying it got sent but it hasnt arrived on either of my emails (i swapped emails to see if it was just mine)

[cedar yacht]

So if I use 100% I instantly reach my max turn speed?

[peak quail]

"Definitive homebrew edition"

Does that include all doom 2 levels

[little oar]

That, I'm not sure of. I don't know anything about how the homebrew scene works, or how the homebrew doom scene works

But if you buy the doom 1 + doom 2 that's on the ps4 store, you will get every doom 2 level including its addons (master levels, final doom)

[peak quail]

And this Xbox level?

[little oar]

What xbox level are you referring to?

[twin mortar]

I'm not sure if it's at 0% or 100%, but either one of these

[cedar yacht]

I just can't notice differences between 50% and 100%

[celest coyote]

You need to message one of the admins to get it approved manually like mordeth

[red harbor]

nvm im verified

[finite crag]

bethesda bought id software and atari bought nightdive
and my company Zoolixyz Software published Zekar 3D UNDER these companies in mod form

[twin mortar]

While I appreciate your excitement, I will be honest here; I recommend you take the mod down and work on improving. In the first level alone I spotted multiple different instances of textureless walls. I don't say this to make you feel bad, but I recommend fixing it

[split smelt]

I saw vytaan play abandon yesterday and IM NOT READY

[split smelt]

What mod?

[twin mortar]

Zekar 3D

[stuck gate]

Alright, this is probably an odd question but someone has to know the answer.
I've been trying to get ultimate doom running in retroarch via prboom (don't ask why).
For some reason it loads as an iwad for other games just fine but for some reason I can't run it on it's own.

For some reason this is just ultimate doom, doom 2 loads just fine

[stone tiger]

prboom+ -file doom.wad?

[stuck gate]

Nevermind, it's because the device I'm using just wouldn't load it from the USB I was using

Also, the doom 1 + 2 collection has two different ultimate doom WADS with different file sizes for some reason (probably because of Kex engine)

[stark plume]

Impossible! You could run doom on a block of wood if you'd like

[stone tiger]

I'd have to look into that
It's likely one is unity and one is kex

Generally I use the og dos release wad

[carmine wyvern]

why do people overrate plutonia's difficulty

[red harbor]

am i the only one who finds it funny that nightmare, the jokingly hard difficulty is taken the other way in myhouse.wad?

[azure nimbus]

Because it's played by so many people so early. That's what happens when its's not just an official mappset, but a standalone release

[twin mortar]

Speaking of, should I play Final DOOM? It's the only thing I have left in the series alongside SIGIL and LoR

[azure nimbus]

Nobody complains that combat shock 2 or flotsam is too hard because very few peope have heard of it. if they have, they're probably experienced. If they try it, they know what they're getting into and have "built up" to it with easier stuff like plut

[azure nimbus]

def play plutonia

[little oar]

If you can only play one, play plutonia

TNT is a neat time but it's kind of like the master levels where most of the levels are just...fine. Nothing super special about it until some of the later levels
Plutonia is really fun the whole way though

[azure nimbus]

tnt is a product of its time. Every modern wad is a product of plutonia

[twin mortar]

I can play both, but I really don't have the time for either

I only have like 6 hours of free time I can spend gaming, 2/3 of which I devote to friends, and 2/3 of which I devote to a personal project

[little oar]

Then make time for plutonia at least

[azure nimbus]

not that every map is a masterpiece, but it's where you can see some core custom mapping concepts take root

[stuck gate]

Oh it ran, just didn't like where that file specifically was located ig.

Moved it to an SD and it loaded no problem

[tepid sky]

Hiiiiii

[finite crag]

I'll take it down and make a better version instead

where did you see the textureless walls?

mod taken down now I will make map 3 better

[wanton cave]

Gonna start plutonia today

[median trellis]

lol, have fun

[twin mortar]

Thanks for being cool about it

[twin mortar]

I can't name anything specific from memory, but there were a LOT of instances, especially inside of doors

[finite crag]

i bet it's map 3 the galapollo labyrinth

[stuck gate]

I'm surprised they didn't include SIGIL 2 in doom 1 + 2

[stone tiger]

Meh it's weird

[vale gyro]

apparently it was released too far into development

[finite crag]

done

I've uploaded Zekar 3D again

this time with map 3D having my mystical head attacking the protagonist

[red harbor]

im not sure if this is known or not, but there seems to be an issue with Revenant100's Sprite Fixing Project when it's combined with Smooth Doom (or the other way around, I'm not entirely sure). Shotgunners seem to play their firing animation mid-walk but it doesn't hurt the player, it's definitely an interesting graphical bug for sure.

[azure nimbus]

it's available

[stone tiger]

They cannot be combined well as depending on how you load it, it will override other animations.

[red harbor]

damn

[stone tiger]

Smooth doom won't make the new sprites from the sprite fixing project smoother

[finite crag]

I've replace map 3 with a boss battle

[red harbor]

so either i have messed up sprites or no smooth animations

[stuck gate]

Isn't it in the mod menu?

[red harbor]

one way or another i lose

i guess i'll take messed up sprites

[vale gyro]

plutonia is bullying me :(

I hate revs

[stone tiger]

you gonna be boolied

[stone tiger]

The sprites aren't really "messed up" so much as missing some things and some slight mistakes

[red harbor]

true, its just annoying lol

[vale gyro]

I don't even notice the mistakes

[stone tiger]

What mistakes?

[vale gyro]

well, except for the chaingunner

[vale gyro]

missing pixels, accidentally unremoved magenta pixels, sprites being shifted, pixels being from another frame

[stone tiger]

I was making a joke

[vale gyro]

oh, sorry

[stone tiger]

All good man

[vale gyro]

I can't detect sarcasm...

ok, just tested the newest DSDA-Doom version and the audio issue appears to be mostly gone

still gonna keep using Nugget Doom, though

[stone tiger]

Nugget is good

[vale gyro]

yeah, it's been my main port

[stone tiger]

I still use woof

[vale gyro]

Nugget had some features I liked from it that Woof didn't have

like being able to have the menu background on all menus, or bloodier gibbing

also freecam is nice for taking screenshots

[stone tiger]

Fair, it's all preference. I sometimes go back to crispy and choc

[azure nimbus]

so it's available

[stuck gate]

That was me asking for confirmation, not trying to argue semantics

[lapis wolf]

Plutonia 2 even better IMO

[azure nimbus]

there are three degrees of being features within this release: it can be one of the "games", one of the featured mods, or just some rando stuff in the uploads list. Sigil 2 is in the featured list

Why they didn't put in in the "games" list which allows for multiplayer? Honestly who knows

[lapis wolf]

I'd say technically not overrated, because people are judging/basing on what they played

It's more like fan creations can go far beyond official releases in terms of pushing what's possible and what's hard, rather than something as simple as being "overrated"

Fan creations have no limits.

But yeah Plutonia is like the ground zero beta test for most fanmade WADs nowadays... and has been drastically surpassed in both difficulty and quality by other WADs

Plutonia is still really good though

[carmine wyvern]

when i think of hard wads i think of stuff like rush.wad and nochance.wad

[stone tiger]

PRCP?

[vale gyro]

just found out VMS does not work when Viddumping with DSDA

so yeah, stuck using Fluidsynth on DSDA

to be fair I only have DSDA for viddumping so it's not a major issue

[lapis wolf]

Nah. I mean literally just Plutonia 2:
https://youtu.be/XuiDcdEw-x0?si=Qd-OVB-wLu5W7G7k

[stone tiger]

Ya ik
Asking you about what ya think of prcp

[lapis wolf]

I don't think I played it actually.

Is it even better than Plutonia 2?

[stone tiger]

https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/megawads/prcp

Try it and see

[azure nimbus]

rush and nochance aren't on the same level at all.

[red harbor]

updated my mod list a bit:
Smooth Doom
NashGore NEXT
IDKFA Soundtrack
Perkristian's Hi-Res SFX
ReLite
BrightmapPlus Vanilla + Textures
FlexiHud
Universal Weapon Sway
Tilt++
Footsteps

btw this is NOT my modpack list

Edit: Added Footsteps

[lapis wolf]

Have you played Cydonia as well as Plutonian Sunrise?

[stone tiger]

Nah

[opaque rose]

Downtown is completely kicking my ass and I don’t know what to do about it

[median trellis]

the teleporters are a pain in the ass in that level

every time I play that level I forget where to go

[celest coyote]

Rush was made as a beginner’s intro to slaughter. But some of it has a bit of bite to it

Haven’t played no chance yet tho

Wonder how it is

Abandon is pretty challenging tho

[azure nimbus]

nochance is pretty ridicidonk. What was it, 100s of attempts for decino? I only did a few abandon maps and for the most part (so far) it isn't too crazy but the maplength precludes saveless runs unless you're really dedicated

[celest coyote]

I got to map 10 the other day, and apparently that’s a hard one without cheesing from what I was told

Map 9 had a rough first fight with so little healing on UV

Very fun finale tho

Like 3k imps

[paper plaza]

Hello, I was wondering if someone could provide me with SpongeBob Massacre mod for Doom 2 been looking to play this mod again after some years unfortunately it seems that the mod no longer exists. Much appreciate it if anyone has the mod still on their end.

[worn thistle]

If you want to go for a more nostalgic vibe, I would highly recommend reshade and getting the CRT Royale add-on

It's super straightforward, you might have to mess around with some sliders to see how it looks but with some trial and error you can make it look really cool

If you'd like, I can show you what my Doom looks like in your DMs

All it does is just give you a CRT filter, but it does look pretty cool

[vale gyro]

any of y'all got short WADs to play? (I've asked this before but I totally forgot I'm sorry)

[hexed escarp]

short as in 1 map or just a few

[vale gyro]

no more than like 8

[hexed escarp]

i found a really cool set a little while ago called arceon

[vale gyro]

also something that won't throw me around like a bologna sandwich

[wanton cave]

Doom 64

[hexed escarp]

some really nice looking medium sized techbase maps that arent too hard at least of the ones ive played so far

[vale gyro]

I've tried Doom 64

I'm sorry but my anxiety just won't let me play it for some reason

at least the last time I played it

[hexed escarp]

but yeah try arceon, its pretty good

[vale gyro]

yeah, the first map is throwing me around a bit

probably because I'm tired honestly lol

but yeah, thanks for the suggestion

[jovial wing]

if you offload a defunct app can you restore it again

[hexed escarp]

context?

[rich anvil]

Btsx

[worn thistle]

I know this is nine but the unfamiliar trilogy

I heard really good things about that

[lapis wolf]

I'd say that is a long one

[worn thistle]

Damn it, there was a mod I saw that was like 90 different wads basically

But the thing is, they were like their own unique wads though, the mod was just like a level selector

[rich anvil]

Is it? I thought it was like 8 levels long but I could be misremembering

Confession time I've never finished any of the classic megawads (like hell revealed, alien vendetta etc.), I like them but they kick my ass way too hard

[worn thistle]

I really want to get a list of megawads going

[worn thistle]

Check out a mod called compendium, it's basically a compilation of wads

[peak quail]

Doom no rest for the living, also want to confirm if it has final doom:plutonium, final doom:evilution?

[little oar]

Yes yes and yes

The new ports (doom 1 + doom 2) includes all 3 of those expansions, and then some

You also get the:
Master Levels For Doom 2
Sigil
Legacy Of Rust (brand new expansion)

[peak quail]

Ah those, I though they were fan made

Where to access those?

[little oar]

Sigil is kind of fanmade, it was made by John Romero on his own time
As for accessing them, they're all in a game selection menu

Master levels is made by (at the time) big members of the wad community, but was officially licensed and sold by ID as a doom 2 addon

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/665785311397281792/1281301164188504105/2280_20240905121243_1.png?ex=66dbe0f2&is=66da8f72&hm=b332060b5985e61e3da0e9dd24784a845eb28dab7dfefdb0cfe34ac16da5e324&

Here's what the game selection menu looks like and all the games you get with doom 1 + doom 2

[celest coyote]

Anything that isn’t doom 1 or doom 2 is technically fan made if the people making it were fans of the game

Unless they made maps for a game they hated

[opaque rose]

multiplayer is funny

we spedran through ep1 in like 5 minutes flat

[median cloud]

What custom wads have you guys played and enjoyed?

[peak quail]

I do not have that menu. I think later today I'll make a video clip

Also doom 1 and doom 2 are separate games not in one menu, again its the Bethesda release on ps4

..what is the name of that game version the one you mentioned that it also has a brand new expansion

[azure nimbus]

you should be able to get "doom + doom 2". You're playing either doom or doom 2 which are the older releases

[lapis wolf]

BTS X E1 has 25 maps.

Also they're fairly to pretty long maps as well.

BTS X E2 has even more maps, and some of the longest maps of any Megawad I have seen.

[jovial wing]

mighty doom

[peak quail]

That's what I think

[little oar]

That's the old unity port which separated them. If you have it, you have the new port for free. It's a separate game/download on console but was just an update on pc.
May have to go back to the store to download the right one

The new version is just called "doom 1 + doom 2"

[peak quail]

Is there a way to add those packs instead

[little oar]

Wdym?

[peak quail]

I can't send links

[little oar]

Yeah most links aren't allowed

[peak quail]

files.fm/u/fbb8stb5rb

[little oar]

What are you trying to sh-

[peak quail]

Add https://

@azure nimbus

[peak quail]

What's happened

[little oar]

If you post a screenshot in another server and hit "copy media link" on right click then it'll let you post that

[peak quail]

Ok

#screenshots message

There's no media link

[azure nimbus]

the older console ports won't have all the custom stuff that the newer "doom + doom2" port has.

[peak quail]

Watch the video n screenshot, just need a way to add the missing packs

[twin mortar]

You're not really being clear with what you want

[azure nimbus]

just download the newer port. You should have access to it if you have the older one

go on the PS store and look for "doom + doom II"

[peak quail]

Sorry if its not clear, the packs like the one in the image

[little oar]

Ah, those are the old ports. You can still get addons with them but you'll be more limited

[peak quail]

Really

[little oar]

Go to the psn store and look for doom 1 + doom 2, you should be able to download it

Since you own doom 1993 (the old one), you should get the new port for free. You just need to redownload it

[peak quail]

What about the nintendo switch with the multiplayer

[little oar]

Works the same way on the switch, own the old ones and get the new one free. You just might have to go back to the store/eshop and download the new one

[azure nimbus]

it will take minutes to download. Go check it out

[peak quail]

I want to continue my checkpoints on ps4 doom 1 and 2. Can I carry it over I don't want to start again. If no. Can I just play the add-ons on the switch or do I have to start again

[little oar]

Sadly, no. Save files won't transfer over
You can play the extra expansions on the switch though

The only thing the switch doesn't get access to is the mod browsers for community uploaded mods
But you still get access to the officially published stuff like final doom, no rest for the living

[peak quail]

Yeah I'm more interest in the officially published stuff

[peak quail]

Like here

[little oar]

Then yeah, every version of doom 1 + doom 2 will have those. Switch included

[peak quail]

Okay then, I think I will play the addons and online multiplayer on the switch version

And just complete my campaign on the ps4

With that said every single doom game has been impressive

Eternal just wow

[little oar]

If you're worried about losing progress, the game lets you load any level you want to at the start. You can just start at where you left off (though keep in mind, you'll have to pistol start it)

[earnest nimbus]

Only criticism unsubbing from mods is slow as it kicks you back and you filters are reset

[serene mulch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1036194104222162975/1281641851056685178/Screenshot_8057.png?ex=66dc757d&is=66db23fd&hm=074bd29f04a79950710ceb6e5e35aa77bda782f67f59ae8fac98a069aa4d802e&

can i go here?

[median cloud]

No

[serene mulch]

fuck

[rich anvil]

I played through episode 1 of Heretic the other day and then did the first seven levels of Doom 2 yesterday and I can definitely see all the reasons why Heretic isn't as fondly remembered as Doom and why I haven't replayed it as much

Idk Heretic weapons just aren't as satisfying and the enemies somehow aren't as much fun to fight

[worn thistle]

I found out something kind of interesting about project brutality a little bit ago

I don't know if this is a doom thing but I figured out you can actually duck under projectiles

You can't stay crouched otherwise they'll actually catch on, but I've been able to actually just slip by things just because I crouched

I need to start figuring it that out more because that could actually be what I need for revenants if I can somehow trick the rockets by doing that

[twin mortar]

You can't duck in DOOM, not even in Quake

[azure nimbus]

it works you just have to duck in your chair

[worn thistle]

I use GZDOOM

My bad, I got a strict method when I played Doom mods. I'll only use jumping and crouching for enemy encounters since project brutalities enemies are made for project brutalities guns. But as for the level, I can't just jump around and cheese the level unless if it was made for crouching and jumping

[vale gyro]

Honestly a pretty fair restriction

[worn thistle]

I thought so too, like it'd be one thing if I could pull off something clever the devs would have never thought was possible. But most mods don't let you jump or Crouch

There's nothing stopping you but it completely breaks the level design

[vale gyro]

I don’t use GZ so I don’t got all of that stuff lol

I keep all of that stuff turned off in GZ when I do use it, though

[worn thistle]

Oh man I've been using GC do for years now, hell I've been using project brutality for years

Don't get me wrong, I don't play Doom everyday but when I come back to it I always play project brutality

[vale gyro]

I’m more of a purist so GZ’s movement is awful to use for me

[worn thistle]

That's fair enough

I got to be honest I kind of got mine in the complete opposite direction. I got Ultra HD textures, a HUD visor mod, a lighting mod

I even used reshade to give it a CRT filter

[vale gyro]

Yeah, I have none of that lol

[worn thistle]

I would honestly recommend the relighting mod in the least, I think it really does add to the atmosphere of certain Maps but you might need a flashlight mod as well

[vale gyro]

I keep a Crispy Doom aesthetic in Nugget Doom in terms of resolution

[vale gyro]

Yeah, never

Software lighting is much better in my eyes

[worn thistle]

Fair enough

[vale gyro]

I hate using GZDoom as it pretty much forces you into using a hardware renderer

[twin mortar]

I didn't notice any differences in the movement but I just heavily dislike GZ in general. My stance on source ports has been said in this server many times

[vale gyro]

Yeah

I know your a 360 nerd as much as I am a Doom 1 nerd

[twin mortar]

Well, I like 360, but I don't play it much

[vale gyro]

But yeah

The only good looking hardware renderer in my opinion is DSDA-Doom’s

I don’t use DSDA, though

Nugget Doom has settings I like that DSDA doesn’t have at all

[azure nimbus]

thanks Xaser

[opaque rose]

how do you do the staircase puzzle thing in nirvinia?

[cursive hinge]

If you hit all the switches in that room too quickly you softlock.

[azure nimbus]

S tier level

[timid scarab]

Hello

[vale gyro]

Welcome!

[timid scarab]

Good morning, afternoon and evening, how are you? I hope you're doing well. I would like to ask you for help to create my mod called doomfranx based on a Spanish youtuber. If you could help me create some things I would be very happy. I can't pay you or anything, so thank you. apologies

[timid scarab]

Thanks

[azure nimbus]

I recommend posting on doomworld. This is more of a chatroom than an active modding community

[timid scarab]

Ok,thanks

[worn thistle]

Admittedly I just use it because I'm not experienced with Source ports and it works perfectly fine

I only play modded Doom pretty much

[vale gyro]

If you have fun that’s all that matters

[worn thistle]

I just like the fact that I can make Doom whatever I want at least as a first person shooter fan

I just wish there was a way to have like a brutal enemy pack, like somehow the monster pack itself has its own Gore effects and locational damage

That way I could use whatever gameplay mod I want

I think project brutality and Brutal Doom definitely do have split communities but I love project brutality

[honest scroll]

Anybody know a multiplayer doom you can play on browser?

[red harbor]

im trying to see how dosbox doom is (the purist side wants a turn lol) and i cant seem to get past loading "license.doc" without the dosbox prompt crashing

edit: nvm i got it working :D

[rich anvil]

Anyone ever play Burl Tumd? It's a tongue in cheek mockery of Brutal Doom that imo is unironically better than the thing it's mocking

[red harbor]

how the hell do i disable vertical mouse movement in dosbox?

[azure nimbus]

there's a file "novert" that you'll have to run at the same time. It's a public file you can find online.

[red harbor]

yeah i have it, but im just having a hard time getting it to work. im using D-Fend Reloaded as my frontend if that helps

[azure nimbus]

run the novert file, THEN play doom2

do
novert <enter>
doom2 <enter>

It was confusing for me at first too. I thought you had to run them simultaniously. but you run novert first

[red harbor]

yeah i type in the name of novert but it just says "illegal command: novert"

[azure nimbus]

do you have the file?

[red harbor]

yeah, i threw it in my doomdata folder

[azure nimbus]

in the folder you've mounted for the iwad you are playing?

beyond "follow doomkid's video", idk what else to say

[red harbor]

oh ill try moving it

[azure nimbus]

I'd just throw a copy of it in doom and doom2's folders

[red harbor]

also same happens when i try to load doom

[red harbor]

obviously the illegal command in question is doom instead of novert

[azure nimbus]

You need to figure out the exact file directory. The directory is copy pasting that entire big segment at the top of your file explorer when you're looking at the file
mount c C:\Users\paley\DOOM<put a 2 here for doom2>
c:
cd DOOM<put a 2 here for doom2>

idk if it's a skill issue or what, but I had to change my config file between d1 and d2

[worn thistle]

Admittedly, I haven't even tried the latest Brutal Doom or any of the other variants besides Johnny Doom I think?

I think the reason why I love project brutality so much is because there is always something interesting. Brutal Doom is better at feedback but project brutality has the AI, the variety of weapons and even how enemies get replaced with harder variance later on

[red harbor]

fixed

just needed to use cd instead of dir

[brittle marsh]

yo I notice that there where no voice channels in this sever so I made a sever with some just for us doomer if you want too join ask me I would rather not just copy it in too the chat so I would like too get too know hoo ever first before they join the chat sever my sever is un related too this far more official sever so I hope that it is not agents the rules

[red harbor]

dosbox doom is cool

[azure nimbus]

it feels weird to not enter a comp level but... this is it yaknow. It's doom2.exe.

did you get always run to work on dos

another thing I'm learning from dos is that idspispopd only works on doom1 and idclip only works on doom2. I knew that idclip was added for doom2, but assumed that both worked on d2 and both worked on Udoom. But evidently that's not the case on the original exe

another notable thing is that doom and doom2 have level select screens accessed from the setup thing then pressing F1. BUT, doom2's level select doesn't show 31 and 32

[rich anvil]

Vanilla in dosbox has a certain charm, I like it a lot

[opaque rose]

So while watching some Decino videos, he sometimes refers to a peter, who is this peter?

I’m guessing zeromaster?

[shadow stirrup]

how do you update GZ doom? just download a new copy? do i keep my saves?

[mellow matrix]

https://www.youtube.com/@PeterLawrenceYT
This is the Peter he's talking about. He does lots of MIDI stuff.

[opaque rose]

ah i see

[split smelt]

MUSIC guy

[split smelt]

i dont use CHEESY DOOM

i USE DSDA

[dire rock]

chat

can other mods be installed on the new rerelease on switch

[split sigil]

No

[dire rock]

dammit

[vast reef]

https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=68078 + a gore mod

[half minnow]

I prefer Doomsday Engine tbh

[stark plume]

Back to Saturn X E1M19 was so damn intense like God damn

And pistol starting it did me no favors 💀

[azure nimbus]

yes and no

[median cloud]

Okay the black tower is a decent level

couldnt bother maxing it in chocolate doom tho, no kill count and 400 monsters is too much of a pain

[sick yacht]

The people playing doom on the menu screen are ign reviewers lol

[sick yacht]

E1 mission 19 ?

[spark torrent]

nah it's me I'm not very good lol

[sick yacht]

"3 score because hurt me plenty difficulty makes the game too hard"

[azure nimbus]

there are cacos stuck outside the tower so killing them is rather tedious and rocket intensive

[median cloud]

Yeah I killed some of them but I really couldnt be arsed to wait for all of them to pop up

Atleast black tower was a somewhat good map

feels like a good penultimate map weird that its in spot 10

[azure nimbus]

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Demo#Registered_and_Commercial While it's possibly different on the new port, I really doubt it. The example demos are all provided by John Romero(lead designer of the original game). They serve not as skill showoffs or speedruns, but like the wiki describes tense encounters where the player gets hurt early on and carefully limps onwards

[vale gyro]

Just realized mmjp beat me to it

[azure nimbus]

They also don't want to show you the end of the map so the demo isn't going to win

[vale gyro]

TNT casually breaking this rule

[azure nimbus]

Final doom literally crashes if you leave it open on the menu too long

tnt showing a completed demo since nobody could find the exit otherwise

[vale gyro]

Yet again this phone screen makes me COMPLETELY miss that mmjp already answered a question I tried answering

[azure nimbus]

to be fair, we had opposite guesses

maybe we have to look it up

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/94542-importingexporting-saves-from-one-gzdoom-version-to-another-not-possible-right/ according to Mr GZ himself, saves are usually compat if the versions are close

[median cloud]

Okay Minos Judgement is also a pretty good level

[serene mulch]

guys is final doom on the Kex version

[twin mortar]

Yes, it's in the Unity port too

[serene mulch]

its not on the menu at the start

[twin mortar]

It's not labeled as 'Final DOOM'. Final DOOM is 2 campaigns, TNT Evilution and The Plutonia Experiment

[serene mulch]

ah yes i forgot

[vale gyro]

So far I've been liking Arceon

only got to map03, though

map01 was kicking my ass and map02 was quite fun

[stark plume]

Yeah

Back to Saturn X is made of two episodes and a third that's reportedly a WIP
Each episode is a 25 levels + 2 secret levels megawad

[azure nimbus]

After having played a bit of doom on dos, idk how people did this in the 90s without a video guide and frankly, windows to modify config files

[vale gyro]

with what?

acutally playing the game or setting it up?

[azure nimbus]

I set it up and was able to play all 4 iwads with novert activated automatically(in my dos config), sound working for all 4 iwads, and appropriate config

[median cloud]

were you able to enable always run

[mint oasis]

Hey on doom 2 master level how can I get to the different levels

[vale gyro]

you playing with the combined WAD or the original way of playing it?

[mint oasis]

Wads are not combined it's a pk3 mod file

[vale gyro]

where did you even get the pk3??

as in KEX it's a WAD and the originals are just 20 some odd WAD files

[azure nimbus]

yep. I went into the config file "default" and set joyb_speed to 29

if for whatever reason you have the 1.0 exe, you set it it 2029. but 29 works in all other versions

[mint oasis]

https://www.moddb.com/mods/doom-2-the-master-levels

[finite crag]

Hello guys, I'm new to the DOOM discord! So, I would love to meet all of you and atleast try to get along more well with everyone!

[vale gyro]

Ello!

[finite crag]

I decided to join after I realized I have almost every doom game on my switch, so I was like "might aswell" You know?

[azure nimbus]

Hopefully switch gets access to custom stuff. But I understand Nintendo's hesitency

[mint oasis]

This were I got it@vale gyro

[azure nimbus]

if you like what you see out of the vanilla stuff, there are a dozen people here who'd help you set up custom maps on a laptop or pc

[finite crag]

Really, I still need Ancient gods. Part 1 aand 2, to officially have every game

[vale gyro]

you just need to use W and S and then use the use key

[mint oasis]

I can't find a way to use a part of my pad to select

[vale gyro]

controller?

[finite crag]

Also, if you can, who would like to play Doom 1 with me?

[mint oasis]

Yeah

It's my only external controller for my phone

[vale gyro]

I'd assume it'd be whatever your forward/backwards inputs are

[vale gyro]

I would if the new port had actually good netcode

[finite crag]

😦 aw man

[vale gyro]

despite my hate for it's movement, Zandronum is still much better in that regard

well, you're on Switch so you can't do much

[mint oasis]

Didn't work

[vale gyro]

only time I've had bearable ping was when I was 1v1ing a friend that pretty much lives in the same city as me

[vale gyro]

dang

I've literally never seen anyone play the Master Levels this way so I can't really debug it

that and I don't really use GZDoom

[mint oasis]

Same on lzdoon

[vale gyro]

I'd assume so

as LZ is forked from GZ

guess the mod never tested with controllers

all I can tell you is to buy a copy of the Master Levels and play them normally

[little oar]

What is W and S mapped to on your pad?

[mint oasis]

I'm using delta touch

And I have forward and back as up and down on l stick

[little oar]

Hmm, that should work
Does the dpad do anything?

[mint oasis]

I wonder if delta touch would let me map tab to a button

I think that's why i'm not getting the ability to switch to different levels with a game pad

Bc I didn't see what button is use to change

[vale gyro]

for me it was W and S, so I'm assuming it's reading from movement keys

as to change tabs it was A and D for me as well

so idk really ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[little oar]

It's W and D to move up/down the list, and use to select it for me too

[mint oasis]

I use left stick for movement and right stick to look

[vale gyro]

what's the legality of downloading the Master Levels?

[little oar]

Move the right stick up/down

[azure nimbus]

the levels themselves are copyrighted

[vale gyro]

yeah, I was assuming that

how the hell is that mod distributing the Master Levels, then?

[little oar]

The levels were made for the master levels right? So I guess this is similar to just downloading doom 1/2 itself

(That is not a good thing but also in the realm of "the fbi isn't going to raid your house over this")

[mint oasis]

I can't use right stick

[vale gyro]

because you don't supply them yourself, the pk3 does

it literally tells you all you need is Doom 2

hella weird

[little oar]

Maybe change your controls so you use the up/down arrows instead of wasd?

If that's a thing you can do

[vale gyro]

that or try using the touch controls

[little oar]

Wait, do any of the master levels add original assets?

[vale gyro]

nah

I think they're all vanilla textures

[little oar]

Oh, then that may be how they can do this. You have doom 2, so you already have all the assets you need for these levels anyways

[vale gyro]

yeah, but I mean how is it even legal in that case?

seeing that it's copyrighted

[little oar]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vale gyro]

gonna be AFK

[azure nimbus]

Yes. The authors were on contract making these levels specifically for the MLs.

maps themselves are copyrighted, not just textures, sprites, and sounds

[mint oasis]

@little oar I have a button map to show a vitural key and use my gamepad to use the keyboard

[little oar]

Try to use the virtual keys then, use the touchscreen dpad

[azure nimbus]

frankly, I think id should just stop selling the MLs at this point. It just sours the taste of people wanting to play custom stuff because of course officialish customish wads are the first "customs" they'll play

[little oar]

No, keep the MLs

They aren't perfect but I don't see how them being so would "discourage" people from seeing other wads
People are (hopefully) smart enough to realize they are all products of their time

[twin mortar]

You don't ever NEED to play them

Maybe for DOOM Classic Complete on PS3, but otherwise, nope

[sick yacht]

Why stop selling ?

If you dont want to play, just dont play

[twin mortar]

The last time they were sold seperately was 17 years ago too

[sick yacht]

Yes, they're now sold alongside doom + doom 2

No reason to remove them from the collection

[twin mortar]

Even before the new port they were bundled in

As early as 2005, then after the seperate steam release it was in 2012

[median cloud]

u do for a kex achievement

Tho I wont lie Im not having a good time playing through the master levels

[twin mortar]

You can just skip over to the last level

[vale gyro]

Only the final level

Also, Doom Zero’s quite fun

Decided to go back on my playthrough of it today because I saw the WAD in my downloads folder

[median cloud]

Yeah ur right but I dont wanna cheese the achievements haha

[median cloud]

I found it too puzzly

[vale gyro]

I haven’t minded the puzzles, really

I still need to do 2 other WADs after this not including Scythe 2

And I’m probably never touching Doom 2 Reloaded again so not counting that

So after this I got Arceon and then Plutonia

[little oar]

Plutonia lets goooo 🎉

[vale gyro]

I don’t even wanna play it to be honest

[little oar]

PLAY IT

[vale gyro]

Just the first couple maps made me suffer

[little oar]

:(

[vale gyro]

I’m sorry to make you sad but man, I’m not exactly looking forward to Plutonia

[median cloud]

But u were talking about scythe 2 lol

[little oar]

It's peak I promise just have a plasma gun and never let go of it

[vale gyro]

I know

Scythe 2 made me suffer

But mainly Episode 5

E4 was in the middle ground of suffering and fun for me

[median cloud]

Dude what

Scythe 2 is like 3 tiers harder than Plutonia

Plutonia childs play compared to Scythe 2

[split smelt]

scythe 2 is PEAK DOOMING

BUT...

IT WILL GO FROM 0 TO 100

[half minnow]

Its good, i just don't like how much revenant spam there is.
Which is my main problem with a lot of the bigger and more difficult wads. So many of them just spam revenants specifically because it gets cheap when you're dodging a million homing missiles

[vale gyro]

I had to quit Scythe 2 when I reached E6M2

The WAD at that point was just trying to piss me off and nothing else

I’m not good at games, so I’m not built for stuff like that

[median cloud]

I wouldnt underestimate yourself if you beat E5 of scythe 2, map 23 is hard

[vale gyro]

I saved a ton

That’s why I am

That and I play everything on HMP

[finite summit]

Anyone mind giving me a hand with fixing an issue.

I changed my display for Doom 1 + Doom 2 over to my CRT at a too high refresh-rate so it just doesn't come up on screen, the issue is I do not know what the settings file in my doom folder would be to change the monitor display back to my LED one so I can set it up right.

Does anyone know how to undo this, I've just reinstalled it now so if that works I'll quickly delete this message to save time.

[split smelt]

get gud

[vale gyro]

Too bad I can’t

[split smelt]

sad

[vale gyro]

Also next time give genuine advice instead of telling somebody to “get good”

[arctic pulsar]

Eae galera

Hi guys

I am Brazilian

[split smelt]

ok

[arctic pulsar]

Doom here in Brazil is not very well known

[split smelt]

SAD

[median trellis]

let's change that

[arctic pulsar]

ok

[opaque rose]

Somehow an arch vile was able to face tank basically a point blank BFG shot

[median cloud]

Why cant u?

[vale gyro]

I generally get worse at games the longer I play them in my experience

It’s weird, I rarely improve

[twin mortar]

Anti-gamer

[median cloud]

ah I have the same

if I grind a game a lot I play worse

has to do with fatigue

that or I just become more critical of my gameplay

Either way @vale gyro do u use a standard mouse keyboard setup?

always run enabled etc

[vale gyro]

I don’t use always run

Used to play in DOSBOX as my main port

[twin mortar]

Always Run isn't standard though

[median cloud]

yeah but imo it helps havent had always run off since like 2012

[vale gyro]

So it’s instinct for me to slam down shift

[median cloud]

reason I dont use dosbox doom and use chocolate doom instead

or dsda doom for more impressive wads

[vale gyro]

I’ve never ran Choco actually

I stayed with DB until I wanted to play Sigil

[twin mortar]

I use Crispy for Heretic/Hexen

[vale gyro]

I then switched to Crispy, which is where I got my love of colored blood and it’s rendering style

[twin mortar]

I only have it on in Quake III games

[vale gyro]

Which is why I use ports like Woof and Nugget Doom nowadays

[azure nimbus]

blockmap issues are pretty unlikely for such a lanky character. Are you sure he was in direction the blast was

[opaque rose]

It was basically in his direction

There was an imp next to him as well

[azure nimbus]

the guy has less than a third of the minimum bfg damage

[opaque rose]

My assumption is the way I was facing about half the cone of tracers diddnt actually hit

[sick yacht]

Just bought Doom and Doom 2 on the Play Store

Now I have it on Xbox, Steam and Play Store

I hope the Kex port is released on mobile someday

Also Doom 64 and Doom 3

[twin mortar]

DOOM 3 is technically already on mobile with NVIDIA Shield

[median cloud]

isnt the ball damage just 800

Ive had monsters survive direct bfg blasts as well

[vale gyro]

Are you trying to dethrone my 11 copies of Doom 1, sir?

[sick yacht]

I have doom 1 for xbox 360, doom 1 unity on xbox, doom 1 kex on xbox, doom 1 unity on steam, doom 1 kex on steam and doom 1 unity on android

[sick yacht]

But I heard it was only for the Nvidia Shield. Can we download it on other Android devices too ?

[twin mortar]

I don't think so :p

[twin mortar]

Another X360 DOOM enjoyer??? Based

[lapis wolf]

I thought it was 13

[sick yacht]

Also the ms dos version on steam too

[twin mortar]

Well the Unity, KEX and DOS versions are one copy

At least on Steam

[vale gyro]

Doom 1 Shareware, Doom 1 on Unity and KEX, Doom 1 three extra times because of Doom Eternal, Doom 1 from Doom The Collectors Edition, Doom 1 on DOS twice, Doom 3 BFG, and, and Doom 1 IOS

Wait, I must be forgetting something

Hold on

[sick yacht]

Doom 3 bfg ?

[vale gyro]

Oh yeah, that was it

[sick yacht]

I have that too, forgot it

[vale gyro]

That makes it actually 10

[sick yacht]

I also have doom eternal

[vale gyro]

Now the 11th I full on forgot

OH

Doom 1 on mobile

[median cloud]

Apparently im at one of the worst maps in Doom now

Titan Manor of master levels

I do not want to play it

[half minnow]

Theres also Delta Touch which has Dhewm3

[twin mortar]

If you wanna count unofficial ports we'd be here all day

[half minnow]

I was counting probably the best one

[azure nimbus]

BFG projectile is 100 base damage times random number 1 through 8. So yes, 100 through 800. Surprisingly low damage

[twin mortar]

That's fair enough

[half minnow]

Game streaming can be rough

[twin mortar]

Half-Life 2 and Portal are both on Shield too

But at that point just buy a Deck

[vale gyro]

I just realized Doom Zero is a full 30 maps

at least it's fun so I'm probably not gonna get annoyed from it like I did with Doom 2 Reloaded

[sick yacht]

I have 9 copies of doom 1

• doom 1 xbox 360
• doom 1 ms dos pc
• doom 1 unity xbox
• doom 1 unity pc
• doom 1 unity mobile
• doom 1 kex xbox
• doom 1 kex pc
• doom 1 on doom eternal xbox
• doom 1 on doom 3 bfg pc

I dont have doom 3 bfg on xbox 360. I have the doom 3 2019 version on series s, which doesnt have a doom 1 copy

It would be another copy if 2019 had it

[vale gyro]

I actually don't know how many copies of Doom 2 I have

I got one on Unity, one on KEX, 3 on Eternal, one on Collector's Edition, one in BFG, and a 1994 big box copy (sadly the 5th floppy has a bad sector on it :( )

so 8

I wish I could say you could get multiple copies of Sigil 1 or 2 but well, you kinda can't

I guess you could buy Sigil 1 Standard and then also get Beast Box but that's about it

[azure nimbus]

you can always get more copies with copy paste 😎 🧠

[vale gyro]

shh

[azure nimbus]

we think of them as meaningfully additional copies when on console ports. But what about having several versions of dsda or gz or just the wad separately stored in a dedicated dosbox folder compared to whereever you keep threst of the wads

[vale gyro]

I don't count them in that case

even then I'd only have an extra copy of each WAD

as I use a launcher and keep all of my WADs in one place

[azure nimbus]

maybe I could get a clear floppy disk for cheaper and put a post it on it saying doom

[vale gyro]

you probably could

well, you'd need at least 5 for Doom 2, 4 or so for Doom 1

Shareware Doom 1 would work with only 2

[abstract plank]

do you guys know any good doom wads that take place in hell

like episode 3

[azure nimbus]

nah I can just write it on the note label. No need to put the data on the object

[abstract plank]

i started to download the top 100 wads but most of them just seem to be boring doom 2 brown building levels

[vale gyro]

maybe Sigil 2??

It takes place in hell sorta

[azure nimbus]

that's just some website saying it a decade or two ago. Sigil is a great place to start

[abstract plank]

oh yeah i think i think I got 2 working

[red harbor]

the doom alphas are cool

[vale gyro]

tryna compile Woof with MSYS2 and it's refusing to work

I might be going a bit insane from this stuff

Hell, even Chocolate Doom's not working and it's install instructions are much more clear

if anyone actually knows how to compile this stuff, DM me

[vale gyro]

looking at it it's due to an issue with SDL_net for some reason?

I got no clue how to fix it, honestly

[split smelt]

h*ck

[vale gyro]

ok, I think I got Choco compiling

nope, returns with an error on the first make step

ok I give up

all I wanna do is mess around with some source code and I am NOT allowed to do that apparently

bunch of BS

I'd just do it on Linux as it actually just works if I could compile to Windows

[cedar yacht]

The new mod browser is full of shitty mods

They should def improve it, I mean, it is a great addition but it has to be improved

[peak quail]

Doom classics on play store

Is it any good

Like would I be able to play online with it

[vale gyro]

you can't sadly

[peak quail]

What about doom 2 does that contain all the dlc packa

[vale gyro]

what do you mean by "DLC?"

the closest thing to Doom 2 DLC is the Master Levels

[peak quail]

This

@vale gyro

[vale gyro]

yeah, LoR is not apart of it

it's only apart of the new KEX port

which mobile doesn't have yet

[peak quail]

So only LoR is missing

[vale gyro]

that and the Master Levels I think

also every community uploaded WAD in the KEX port

[lapis wolf]

Also you NEED to use the website to search for mods, instead of look and scroll through a list until you get lucky

I also hate how you're reverted back to the first page of the most popular sections every time you stop looking at a mod

[cedar yacht]

100% agree

[peak quail]

The master levels is missing!

[peak quail]

...also does the switch have all the levels @vale gyro

[vale gyro]

yeah

just missing the community uploaded stuff

[peak quail]

Multiplayer online?

[peak quail]

Where to access community uploads?

[vale gyro]

you can't on Switch

you can only do that stuff on PlayStation, Xbox, and PC (with much greater range)

[peak quail]

Oo this physical collection is driving me insane

https://youtu.be/f04nmP640cs?si=Q67Z10BAnli_n5lw

[peak quail]

Have a look and thanks for the information

[little oar]

I hope they do something like this again but not from limited run games and it's just published NORMALLY

[vale gyro]

yeah

I'd love a 12 copy of Doom

and it being physical

[little oar]

Just make physical copies with a poster or something like romero does for sigil, easy money

Include the doom 1/2 osts for the first time even

[vale gyro]

yeah, exactly

[worn thistle]

God damn it it's always fucking limited run

I seriously hate limited edition shit for games

[fallow canopy]

are you the real Cackledemon?

[red harbor]

Even worse is that you can get this shit on Steam whenever the hell you want

[small summit]

Ngl one thing I don't really understand with doom 1 + doom 2 is why on console it's a separate game but on pc it's a update for doom one

[azure nimbus]

🤷‍♂️

[split smelt]

The caco cloud sent me represent them

[fallow canopy]

I understand

[lapis wolf]

Wow a lot of DOOM 2016 SnapMaps are so similar to Classic DOOM (Often 64 in particular), and it feels like I'm playing a custom WAD on a newer DOOM engine

[worn thistle]

Not going to lie, I wish they added it to Doom eternal, doom is an extremely Community Driven game

ID is going to have to move on to the next game, but the community could have made so much content for Doom Eternal. And made it extremely replayable replayable.

[lapis wolf]

DOOM Eternal added iDStudio (official mod tools) recently. Though ngl, SnapMaps is way cooler

Also iDStudio is PC only. SnapMaps is even on consoles

[worn thistle]

I wish they had both, I think at least having mod support is fantastic. But snap map could have been used on all systems

The one thing I'm so happy to see is the recent Port having access to mods. Classic Doom can be fun and all but I feel like you're really missing out if you don't play the mods. Stuff like Eviternity, Extermination Day, Auger;Zenith, Ancient Aliens going down. I do wish that the console versions eventually has gameplay mod support

It would be awesome to see people play stuff like brutal doom, project brutality, High Noon Drifter, meat grinder, maybe some Bolognese mod if that's possible.

[lapis wolf]

Yeah 2016 and DOOM II are straight up my favorite DOOM games and it's largely due to how awesome, impressive, and varied SnapMaps and Custom WADs are.

[worn thistle]

If you're looking for a yt channel that shows off megawads, I would highly recommend Martinoz

I think he just shows off Wads in general but the dude has like over 200 videos. He did take a year-long Hiatus but he's back now

And the stuff he picks out actually looks really interesting

[median cloud]

Okay I maxed the master levels in chocolate doom

never doing this again will probably finish them in kex engine but def wont max

only nrftl left to pistol start and then I guess legacy of rust

not sure if Ill run nrftl in choc doom since its a bit of an older mapset

apparently nrftl crashes in choc doom

guess ill finish it in dsda doom then ez

[sick yacht]

Is there any lore for master levels for doom 2 ?

[azure nimbus]

some of the mappers give a lil story to their set. that the black tower is supposedly abt a cyber, you, getting revenge

but as a whole, the dfferent mappers never linked the story

[median cloud]

Yeah black tower you were a fallen cyberdemon or something

I think the black tower is probably my favorite master levels map

[vale hemlock]

Me: "preforms glory kill"
Everyone else in airsoft:

[finite crag]

I’ve been playing classic Doom and it’s awesome

Just finished Ultimate Doom and now I go on to take back Earth

[fallow canopy]

Trust me, you are going to love MAP 13 of Doom 2

That's if you get through the resource pain that is MAP 10

Also, everyone

E4M2: Perfect Hatred.

[finite crag]

I play on ultra Violence and don’t have much of a difficulty problem. If I ever have a hard moment in game, it’s usually my own fault. Like not preserving ammo and protecting myself enough, which in of it’s self was rare for me when playing through Ultimate Doom. I must say, it wasn’t hard but I was not a fan of Thy Flesh Consumed

[fallow canopy]

Man, nobody is a fan of Thy Flesh Consumed

[finite crag]

Oh good to know I’m not the only one

Yeah, it sucks. The maps feel rushed and put together

Not very creative

Eh, as it was

Hopefully Doom 2 is fun, excited to get to feel the power of the OG super shotgun and understand if the hype for it is real

[fallow canopy]

13? We all know

[fallow canopy]

Oh you haven't tried it yet

Yes the hype of the SSG is real trust me

[finite crag]

Then I got all the expansions to do and the newest official episode which is pretty cool

[fallow canopy]

One shotting up to 3 Lost souls and 3 shotting hell knights

[fallow canopy]

DON'T PLAY SIGIL

If you thought Thy Flesh is hard, you are in for a world of pain

[red harbor]

Ol' Reliable but better

[fallow canopy]

Doom 2 is what you should do next

[finite crag]

I’m playing through the whole Doom Franchise, plus an achievement hunting. I’m a completenish I suppose

[fallow canopy]

The ol reliable Winchester 1897 replaced by the mighty Double Barreled Super Shotgun

[finite crag]

Thy Flesh Consumed was not hard, just boring maps mostly

[fallow canopy]

Doom + Doom 2?

[finite crag]

Yes

I’m I playing Doom wrong?

[fallow canopy]

No , I don't mean the order of the game

I mean the port

[finite crag]

Yeah, that’s what I mean. Is the port really that bad

[fallow canopy]

Are you playing it on a app called Doom + Doom 2

[fallow canopy]

Not much

[finite crag]

Yeah, I own it on Steam. Recent major update

[fallow canopy]

I'd rather play D+D2 than Cheezy Doom (GZDoom)

[finite crag]

I had to reply through knee deep in the dead because it deleted my progress 😭

[fallow canopy]

Same

[finite crag]

Yeah, it’s good

[little oar]

If you can handle thy flesh consumed you can 100% handle sigil

[fallow canopy]

I could not

And I did handle tfc

[little oar]

Dunno what to tell you then, unless you're pistol starting then maybe sigil is harder idk

[fallow canopy]

Definitely not Sigil 2 with the cyberdemon on each map

[little oar]

But playing each level back to back keeping your weapons, sigil isn't really that bad

[finite crag]

I played through EVERY OG Bungie Halo on legendary. I I’m a man of commitment and SHEER will. Basically, I’m a gamer

[fallow canopy]

I know I have a skill issue

[finite crag]

I always pistol start

[fallow canopy]

Mods, make him dosbox Plutonia on Nightmare! with Pistol Start and Keyboard Controls.

[little oar]

Oh then you'll be fine pfft

[finite crag]

Keyboard controls? Like no mouse?

[finite crag]

Yes exactly, nothing is harder than Halo 2 man

FUCKING JACKALS

[little oar]

Yeah. Dunno why you'd limit yourself to that when doom was made with the mouse as an available option though, you're just needlessly handicapping yourself

[fallow canopy]

Yes

[fallow canopy]

Yeah but there is no Vanilla Way to disable Vertical Mouse Movement, so it's bad

I turn left and move up at the same time

[finite crag]

It’s kind of like Halo players, playing on LASO. Fuck LASO man. Now that I I’m a completenish, I’m probably going to have to play LASO

[little oar]

I really don't want to sound rude and tell you to just "get better hand coordination" but how much are you moving up with vertical mouse movement

(Alternatively, download the novert mod. It's easier than actually getting a source port + mods working)

[finite crag]

What? You can look up and down in Doom?

[little oar]

No. He means if you move the mouse up, you move forward

[fallow canopy]

Like a few units and I keep moving into walls, also, my cheap mouse has something like drift, so it moves like up and down randomly

[finite crag]

Oh, hell nah I ain’t doing that

[little oar]

Really funky way doom used to handle mouse controls before quake standardized what up/down would control

[fallow canopy]

That's in Dos, don't worry

Newer ports have better physics

[fallow canopy]

Depends on the port

[little oar]

Yeah most ports of the game disable the verticle movement so using the mouse just looks left/right

Supposedly the dosbox setup that steam gives you now was also updated to do so, but I haven't figured out how to activate it yet

[finite crag]

I really do understand why people love Doom, despite its age and when it was played during its golden age. The game is good for the time and the game stands the test of time, it’s just a good game

[fallow canopy]

You are going to love the Arch-Vile

[little oar]

Oh yeah doom holds up insanely well, which is very surprising considering it was a huge innovator/starter of a genre

[twin mortar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1246106122566373407/1282356103979470959/attachment.gif?ex=66df0eb0&is=66ddbd30&hm=7c28922c722b5c4b1db4d5c2daf89cf84048199b3386d1aeaf2ae5ed84172849&

[finite crag]

LMAO, did you just make this or did this gif?

If you did, you are legendary in all aspects my man

[twin mortar]

Yup, made it as soon as I read what you said

[fallow canopy]

"Ares, add the Cackledemon to Doom, and my life is yours!"

[finite crag]

Is there actual respect in the gaming community for people who beat the Halo games on legendary?

[twin mortar]

My greatest gaming accomplishment is probably 100%ing Rayman 1 on PS1

[twin mortar]

Oh yes, it's like being a local hero

[finite crag]

Lmao, I will truly test my skill when I get around to playing Dark Souls

[fallow canopy]

I never played Halo, my dad was an PS person

[fallow canopy]

💀

[finite crag]

I thought Dark Souls was considered a hard game?

[fallow canopy]

[fallow canopy]

Yes

[little oar]

It is...somewhat

[twin mortar]

Good luck... to the game. If you finished Halo on Legendary, you can beat Dark Souls easily. If you beat EVERY OG Halo on Legendary, the game is a breeze (probably, I never played DS or Halo)

[little oar]

Dark souls is really weird difficulty wise, it's hard until you get to the halfway point and get the havel armor. Then the game just kind of falls apart because poise is stupid good in ds1

[fallow canopy]

Idk my favorite game ever is Dong Dong Never Die

[finite crag]

My favorite game ever is Deus Ex

[fallow canopy]

I main Mario btw

[twin mortar]

I like playing FPS games on hardest, even if I'm not really the best at 'em

[finite crag]

Warren Specter, I love that man

[little oar]

The thing with ds' difficulty is it boils down to how good you are at rhythm games. If you're good at timing, then ds will be fine
If you aren't though..it'll be rough unless you shield spam

[finite crag]

I always usually start games on the hardest difficulty unless it’s a game genre I’m not familiar with

[twin mortar]

I've wanted to play it for a looong time as the devs of the later games made one of my favorite games ever, Guardians of the Galaxy

[twin mortar]

Respect. RAGE 2 on Ultra-Nightmare took 5 years off my life

I think I can never bring myself to play Rayman 1 on Hard

[little oar]

How different is it on hard?

[twin mortar]

One life.

And to add salt to the wound, the Hard difficulty is exclusive to the mobile port, so have fun battling the controls

[little oar]

Ew

[twin mortar]

The port was delisted 5 years ago

[finite crag]

Well not technically. Deus Ex goes all the way back to the year 2000, developed by ION Storm, also in a way. You could say Deus Ex would not exist without the success of Doom, because I believe John Romero laid the foundation for Deus Ex. In other words, if gave the creator “Warren Specter” funding, a studio and complete creative control

[twin mortar]

And, nope, APKs don't work

[finite crag]

My goodness, did they cook

[twin mortar]

Yup, I know Ion made the first game(s), which is why I specified the later games

[finite crag]

Yeah, anyway

I need to get back to it, so I can have time today to play some classic Doom

All you people are cool, have a good day or night

[twin mortar]

You too, it was fun talking. See you around

[peak quail]

What is happening to me, I'm getting classic doom cravings, but doom 3 vanilla was my first doom game. Duke nukem game series and wolfstein never got me soo hooked like doom did. (Doom eternal is already my top best). And the dooms classic on ps4 is well implemented, controls are tight

But It doesn't give me the same bells and whistles as duke nukem (3d), or wolfenstein

[opaque rose]

Tried playing thy flesh consumed and OH GOD I DIDDNT EVEN GET OUT OF THE STARTING ROOM

Well I diddnt die but I was at 4% health so what’s the point

On account of no health

[azure nimbus]

you should play sigil. @fallow canopy is just saying stuff. I mean do doom2 first, but still

[azure nimbus]

lost souls have 100 health each and the ssg does on average 200 damage. It is not possible to 1 shot 3 lost souls with the ssg

[azure nimbus]

there is. run the novert file in dos. This is still fully vanilla since it's not baked into your game. It's essentially just a dos setting

You could reasonably argue that that shouldn't count. At the very least, you can disable VMM in DOS pretty easily

[azure nimbus]

playing there is a totally reasonable way to play. If you really get into it, try out custom source ports for more customization and 100 % vanilla accuracy and marginally better performance. But as far as "I'm not obsessed with the game and just want to click play instead of downloading two extra files, then play steam and grab the achievements just fine"

[dim ferry]

ya des fr

ou pas

[median cloud]

Id do sigil after all others tbh

Doom 1 > thy flesh > Doom 2 > ((Master Levels)) > NRFTL > TNT > Plutonia > Sigils > LoR

Is the order Id play

[finite crag]

doom 1 came out in 2016 so that doesnt make sense

[little oar]

Doom 1 as in the original doom, so doom 1993 as most ports call it

Doom (2016) just has an annoying name leftover from a period when companies were scared of numbers and subtitles

[celest coyote]

Doom 2016 wasn’t called Doom 1

It was just called DOOM

[finite crag]

ye meaning the first

then doom 2 came out

[celest coyote]

Doom from 1993 was just called “DooM”

[little oar]

The original doom and doom 2016 both have the official name of just 'DOOM'

[finite crag]

what abt ultimate doom

[celest coyote]

Final doom is tnt and plutonia

[little oar]

Final doom is just final doom
It's a collection of 2 32-level wads

[finite crag]

meant to say ultimate mb

[celest coyote]

Ultimate is final + thy flesh consumed

[finite crag]

no

[little oar]

Ultimate is a rerelease of the original doom that added an extra episode (Thy Flesh Consumed) released around the time of doom 2

[finite crag]

ultimate doom doesnt include final doom

[little oar]

Iirc it was mainly made since that was the version sold retail, since the original game could only be bought through calling ID and ordering there directly

[finite crag]

ik

[celest coyote]

Ok

[median cloud]

Ultimate has doom 2 as well I think?

[celest coyote]

Does this mean 2016 Doom is Doom 1 because you defined Ultimate?

[finite crag]

nope

[little oar]

And yeah ultimate doom and final doom were two separate releases. They were bundled together with a much later compilation cd for win95 that had doom 1 + 2 + final doom, but Ultimate Doom itself is just Doom 1993 with episode 4 as well

[finite crag]

man i was trolling before but ur so polite i feel bad now lmao

[little oar]

Smh

[finite crag]

nvm

[celest coyote]

epic troll

[finite crag]

[celest coyote]

You won le internet

[finite crag]

ong🙏

nah its just fun saying doom 2016 was first and seeing the reaction

[fallow canopy]

Does on average

Idk sorry for the misinformation

I'm not feeling well rn

[vale gyro]

This same rage bait again? @finite crag

[finite crag]

yep

[fallow canopy]

The only thing I need right now are 20 ssg pellets to the head

[vale gyro]

You did the exact same thing almost word for word yesterday, man...

[fallow canopy]

Huh?

[finite crag]

i wouldnt call it rage bait cos i dont commit but i kinda do it to get inactive chats active

il stop tho i get its getting old

[finite crag]

no i made a joke abt doom 2 having bad graphics here i just said that guys list doesnt make sense

silenced bro 🙏

[vale gyro]

yeah, you're right

though it was a tad similar to this

[finite crag]

same "bait" i guess

maybe next time il tell people every game after final doom isnt cannon

[fallow canopy]

Wait, those are canon?

[finite crag]

nope they arent 😁

[little oar]

If you mean are the final doom wads canon, that's up for debate

[finite crag]

i dont even no the story of them lol

[azure nimbus]

it's literally not possible. you're not doing 300 damage on an ssg shot

[fallow canopy]

I'm sorry for the misinformation

[azure nimbus]

it's not like the game lists the numvers

[fallow canopy]

Basically the UAC does more goofy shenanigans and gets invaded by Hell

That's the plot of all Doom in general

[finite crag]

uh oh! the uac did an oopsie! half of earth is dead!!1!

[celest coyote]

Better let the UAC start up another project. What’s the worst that could happen?

“How many times do we need to teach you, old man?”

[iron quail]

I wish

[lapis wolf]

Holy shit. SnapMaps are just as cool as Custom WADs, especially ones utilizing SnapHak tech and completely custom Geo.

I've seen the light lately

[thick token]

[finite crag]

u rlly had to search for that didnt u lol

not my fault im right

[twin mortar]

It was always DOOM, DooM is a fan way to spell it

[celest coyote]

DOOM is how 2016 is spelt and referred to, and DooM is how you refer to classic doom

[vale gyro]

still a fan spelling overall

even the original manuals refer it to DOOM and not DooM

[split smelt]

DOOM IS DOOM

[red harbor]

it was though

[fallow canopy]

Mods, make him dosbox Plutonia in Nightmare! with pistol-starting and keyboard controls

[finite crag]

right? how can theses ppl say theyre fans smh...

[finite crag]

keyboard only

[lapis wolf]

Wut.

Even the official releases as well as the Xbox store and the title screen have the classic Doom as "DOOM"

[red harbor]

you forgot to turn off autorun

[finite crag]

no novert

@vale gyro i mean hey i helped start this convo from my rage bait lol

cacodemon is typing

[split smelt]

better idea MODS MAKE HIM HIM PLAY H*CK REVEALED SAVELESS PISTOL START UVFAST

ON DOSBOX

[finite crag]

u can say hell in here bro

u can even say the fuck word ;)

[split smelt]

i know but i censor the not heaven word censor again because of 🎃 👨

because of Decino

[finite crag]

what?

oh

been a while since i watched him

[thick token]

man

imagine nashgore being recreated in kex

[split smelt]

im goofing around with dehacked rn

[thick token]

i mean since the flavor mod, random death animations and stuff like that were possible, i cant imagine why not

[split smelt]

i made so all monsters have 1 hp

[thick token]

lore accurate doom guy

[finite crag]

he can kill a baron by flicking it in the nose

[split smelt]

i want to do that for IMP GIB ASMR

[summer parrot]

I'm trying to use PrBoom+, but everytime I try and use it, there's this weird glitch with my mouse where anytime I move my camera, it sort of twitches and gets stuck for a tiny second and goes back to normal. It creates this obnoxious jitter effect that makes it impossible to play. Is there any way to fix this?

[vale gyro]

you could try seeing if DSDA-Doom has this issue.

I got no clue how to fix it, though

[summer parrot]

It doesn't, thank you! From what I'm reading on the GitHub, is this just a superior version to PrBoom+?

[wind ingot]

Does anyone know if buying the physical copy of "DOOM The Classics Collection" allow you to upgrade/get "DOOM + DOOM II" for free? (PS4/PS5)

I've heard some people bought DOOM and DOOM II before the "DOOM + DOOM II" game released, then they got that game for free

[finite crag]

i did

not on ps4 but buying that collection should give you the new rerelease

i dont see why u would be able to still buy the old untiy port

[wind ingot]

It is delisted on the PlayStation store but still available on the physical copy for Limited Run Games

[finite crag]

oh sorry i skimmed past the physical part

[wind ingot]

I'm wanting to buy the physical copy since physical is better in every way (and it comes with DOOM 3)

[finite crag]

my assumption is u get what you payed for rlly

so u get the og

il look into it

[wind ingot]

I just don't want to be thinking I'll get the DOOM + DOOM II alongside it when in reality I don't

[finite crag]

seems like its a no bud

@wind ingot "if you have the DOOM: Slayers Collection or any other physical disc that includes DOOM (1993) and DOOM II on PS4, it does not give you the new standalone "DOOM + DOOM II" digital re-release for free.

While owners of older versions received updates to their existing games, these do not grant access to the separate digital releases of DOOM (1993) and DOOM II on the PlayStation Store. If you want the standalone digital versions of these games, you will need to purchase them separately from the store, unless there's a specific promotion offering them for free."

theyre all seperate

[split smelt]

I love DSDA

[finite crag]

id just get both if i was u so id have a "reliable" physical copy and the digital

[vale gyro]

it doesn't have the features I want from it that Nugget has

[finite crag]

lel just play doom bfg edition

[wind ingot]

Alright, thanks
I'll most likely do that

[vale gyro]

nah

[finite crag]

np man

[vale gyro]

I'd rather not

[finite crag]

its the difinitive way to play doom 1 and 2 😁

[vale gyro]

nope

[finite crag]

dont u DARE disagree

it fixed the ssg sound effect

i know what im on about guys im a professional

[red harbor]

DONT YOU DARE REMIND ME OF THOSE SECRET LEVELS

seriously how were you meant to find those

[finite crag]

i found them first time cos im SMART 🙏🤦‍♂️

its SOOO obvious bro

[little oar]

Gonna go out on a limb and assume LoR E2M6 is what a slaughter map is, is that right?

[vale gyro]

I actually got Choco compilied finally!

Now uhh, I got literally no clue what to do now

because I got zero clue on how to modify this stuff correctly

maybe I could just change the RNG table maybe??

make it bigger or more random?

[little oar]

More random

Or bigger, make the imp fireball have the same potential as a rev rocket

[finite crag]

make the bfg like revenant rocket

[vale gyro]

gotta have to figure that out then lol

actually, I might as well shove in Boom's RNG into it, y'know?

[little oar]

It differs?

[vale gyro]

yeah, it does

in several ways, actually

it'd take me a while to fully understand the differences

I gave up, just gonna shove in Boom's RNG table instead of trying to fully implement it's RNG for now

[azure nimbus]

boom doesn't use a table. It recursively uses a chaotic function

[vale gyro]

ah

I'ma be honest I got no clue what I'm doing lmao

[opaque rose]

is e4m1 the hardest of the episode?

[little oar]

No, but it is one of the harder ones

E4m1, m2, and m6 are probably the hardest of them

Everything else is relatively smooth sailing

M1 is a special case because it's really stingy with healthpacks, all you get in terms of health are ~12 potions on UV iirc

The other levels are much more generous with that