classic-doom

[twin mortar]

No idea how to do that, though I'm willing to bet the linked packages are just linked, you don't actually get them upon a new order

I checked the description and reviews; nobody said they got Unity along with it

[earnest nimbus]

lol you didn’t look very hard

[twin mortar]

Okay man

[celest coyote]

Me complaining about where do I go in a doomlevel when I didn’t hit the switch after a fight directly in the middle of the arena

[earnest nimbus]

lol

Some of the most obvious switches are the ones we miss 🫢

[stark plume]

I'm at step 2, boss

[true current]

Someone released tntphobia onto the new port, and it seems like it doesn't work fully. Can anyone confirm?

Cause it seems like it just ends after you exit map 01 the normal way after the 1st archvile, and none of the other map effects are happening.

[crystal thunder]

yo

[sinful apex]

2nd level of the LoR is kicking my ass. I need to git gud. idek what to do when the revenants come chargin

[amber osprey]

I don't know what happened or how, but somehow the version of DOOM Zero found in the official "Featured mods" menu of the DOOM + DOOM II remaster is very different from the real deal, and arguably much worse. Is it based off of an old version?

[finite crag]

Hello, how can i play community made wads in multiplayer splitscreen on ps5 ? I only can play the official ones with my brother

[earnest nimbus]

Was the unity one better??

[true current]

They haven't put that feature in yet unfortunately.

[finite crag]

Damn, do we know if it's planned in the futur ?

It was possible before

[true current]

No idea. The fact that we even got this port was a surprise.

[finite crag]

Sure, and what is the "modern coop" option that is now available ?

[true current]

Modern coop essentially makes it so that if one of you dies, you respawn close to one another with all weapons and ammo you had before. If both of you die, the level restarts.

[twin mortar]

#classic-doom message

[finite crag]

I see, thanks for the answers

[true current]

Anome had that in the pocket.

[amber osprey]

I don't remember DOOM Zero being that off the mark in the Unity version

But I've barely played it there admittedly.

[little oar]

If you're willing to test it, you can still play the unity ports by activating them in the steam beta branch. Under game properties iirc

Might wipe your save to do that though, so back up anything important if you have a save you don't want to lose

[amber osprey]

I mean, why would I do that? I can personally just load the megawad in my source port of choice.

I'm just trying to reach out to Nightdive, id or Bethesda about this so they fix it because I feel it's currently misrepresenting the work of the creator of DOOM Zero for those who are unaware of the issue. Been posting about this issue in a few different places hoping to get a response.

It's just surprising to me they got a version of the wad with such awful backgrounds, completely different music, and less complex level design.

[little oar]

Ah. Well, idk how many of the devs are here but I do know some of them hang around the doomworld forums if you haven't made your concerns over there yet.

[lapis wolf]

Wow the second episode of Legacy of Rust is phenomenal

[hardy hamlet]

@lapis wolf E1M0 of Legacy of Rust is fun, has few enemies but damn they pack a punch.

It's a secret map

[weary lichen]

Can someone help? I put a .wad in the files of remastered doom and i cant play it it dosent show

How do i load custom wads ?

[vale gyro]

you can use a launcher like ZDL, surprisingly

[weary lichen]

No i only want the remastered

[vale gyro]

you can still use the remastered version

[weary lichen]

I already got chocolate doom gz doom zandronum

Wdym?

[vale gyro]

ZDL (and my launcher) can still use the new remastered port

I found that out after some testing

it has less limits than using the mod browser, actually

[weary lichen]

And how is zdl launcher gonna help me load a custom wad

[vale gyro]

...because that's what it does

[weary lichen]

Hm

[azure nimbus]

why

[amber osprey]

I remember there being a release thread for DOOM + DOOM II but I can't find it anymore, I believe one of the devs was talking in it. I made my own post, apparently the version of DOOM Zero featured is from 2020, but it was last updated in 2021.

[weary lichen]

I wanna play doom 4 vanilla but never mind the mod list has it

Epic🤭

[azure nimbus]

I like the new remaster and it's awesome for people just getting into custom stuff, but it is by no means the easiest or most flexible way to play custom stuff

[weary lichen]

U may be able to find the mod u want in the mod list probably like how i did

[azure nimbus]

Does this new release store your mapsets on your machine or save them in any way?

[little oar]

Thread is still up if you want the link, staring at it rn.
But if the wad is from 2020 then huh. That's weird to be using such an old version of it, did they give a reason why?

[amber osprey]

idk, someone on my own topic told me it was from 2020
And yes please, send the link so I can try and contact someone about it :)

[little oar]

May have to dm it if that's fine, this server is really finnicky with links being sent but I'll try here first

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/146899-classic-doom-new-update-on-steam/

Make that the 2nd link I've ever seen actually work here. Awesome

[amber osprey]

haha nice, thanks

[little oar]

👍

[weary lichen]

Why does the enhanced doom crash so much like omg

[amber osprey]

It has crashed once for me so far, I was playing online

[weary lichen]

It crashes online,it crashes when uploading a mod and it crashes when loading some mods

This game is legit filled with the word crash

[little oar]

Seems to be really inconsistent with performance. Some people claim sudden fps issues or crashing, some say otherwise.
For me, it's ran perfectly. Not a single crash or fps drop in sight. Though I'm only playing singleplayer, so maybe online is where all the problems start showing

[weary lichen]

And bro it tells me to check crash logs when it yaps with numbers and letters

I dont understand "0000001b0fhbe0" sir😭🙏

[little oar]

You may not, but the devs probably do

[weary lichen]

How do i contact a dev or a staff member to help with the crashing

[little oar]

Honestly not sure. Maybe bethesda's support email?

Idk if these games have a "report crash" feature like some programs do

[weary lichen]

Then whats the point of crashlog.txt if i cant understand it nor solve the problem with it

Ive contacted bethesda about simple and they still havent responded

[twin mortar]

#classic-doom message

[weary lichen]

Its been a month since i did that

[little oar]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[weary lichen]

Ik but where

[little oar]

Can't help you much with this, sorry

[twin mortar]

[weary lichen]

Alr

[little oar]

May just have to avoid the online stuff for the time being. The online as a whole needs some ironing out, so maybe in a few updates it'll be nicer to deal with

[lunar rune]

I've only experienced one crash, and that's cause I left the game alt tabbed for 3 hours without knowing

[twin mortar]

How do you not notice that

[azure nimbus]

all my online was totally fine. I'm curious if people crashing are trying to use uploads that are incompatable

[weary lichen]

The most chaotic thing abt the doom 1 2 multiplayer is that theres so many players in a single server

Just beating the map in 1 minute

I love those servers

[true current]

Can anyone confirm or deny that tntphobia works on this new source port? I've tried it, and it seems that the map doesn't change at all. I am on map 21 like it told me to be. All it seems to do is let me use the normal dropdown exit.

[vale gyro]

dunno

all I know is that launchers somehow work and remove the 1 mod restrictions that the mod browser has

the -deh pararmater does not exist however

you need to embed DEHACKED files into a WAD

[amber osprey]

@little oar thanks to you, I was able to contact the dev in question (Edward850). Hoping he'll see this and fix this issue. 👍

[little oar]

Awesome. Hopefully that wad gets updated soon then 👍

[true current]

If it helps, i'm on xbox.

[little oar]

Quickly glancing at the txt for tntphobia, it seems to be a gzdoom mod. So it probably won't work within this new port

[vale gyro]

it says Boom Compatible over here

[little oar]

Hm. Maybe I'm seeing a different txt

I just see gzdoom and dsda compatible (is dsda the same as boom compatible?)

I'm on PC so I can test it real quick and see if it yields different results than dark's xbox, lemme just finish not dying rq

Oh there's no search feature is there
Ok give me a second to find tntphobia

[true current]

In gz, it tells you to use compat9, boom strict.

[azure nimbus]

Gz's "compat 9" or boom strict or whatever it calls it is not 100 % accurate to boom (or doom in the case of doom strict). It just means that "stuff will probably mostly work right (haha no promises though)"

[vale gyro]

the wad was tested on DSDA and GZDoom

I can test on Woof in a bit but I don't know what's broken

the TXT says it recommends DSDA-Doom, even

[little oar]

Ok I give up trying to find tntphobia this mod list is a nightmare to browse through

[vale gyro]

@true current what's the issue with it?

[true current]

None of the usual map changes happen.

[vale gyro]

still does not help me in particular, sadly

never played the WAD myself

[true current]

Basically, the map is supposed to change like myhouse.wad. at a certain point, a door is supposed to close behind you, and lock you in. This does not happen.

So as far as i've seen. This map is just a spooky scary version of tnt level 1 with no monsters other than an archvile.

[lapis wolf]

If you play DOOM 4 Vanilla with multiplayer items enabled, you get some insane demon spawns and combinations, though there's a bug where it randomly switches to Nightmare if you have multiplayer items on (the bug affects the port in general unfortunately)

[weary lichen]

I wish i could play doom 4 vanilla multiayer thoo.....

[lapis wolf]

Anyway DOOM 4 Vanilla with fast monsters Revenants, Cyber Mancs, and Cyberdemons is ridiculously and unbelievably cracked.

Also the Hell Razers are even more ridiculous than Chaingunnners, and the Hell Knights and Barons are the most broken in the whole series lmao.

Summoners with fast monsters on are more evil than Archviles as well lmfao

However the chainsaw is ridiculously good, even better than 64 and Doom 3's chainsaw.

Also fists and Berserk has received a significant buff

And Berserk and Chainsaw can hit any enemy very well now, even Cyberdemons and Spider Masterminds

I berserked a Cyberdemon to death on Refueling Base the other day lmao

[wanton cave]

To those that prefer classic doom over modern, why?

[twin mortar]

These are completely different in style though

[vale gyro]

simpler gameplay overall and also the shotgun

[twin mortar]

Not really a why question, it's obvious

[vale gyro]

I like the shotgun with no reason

[little oar]

Simple. Easy to pick up and play. Straight action and doesn't make you wait to watch doomguy pick something up over the span of a minute

||Also I don't care for nudoom's music much either, which is a pretty big part of these games if you're going to be playing them on repeat||

[vale gyro]

I really love nudoom's music personally

I also love OG Doom's elevator music

[little oar]

Eternal's is a a lot better tbf but 2016s is eh. It all kind of blends together for me

[celest coyote]

Corpses don’t despawn after 4 seconds, and archviles are actually a threat in OG Doom

[little oar]

Not bad but also not something I'm going to listen to on my own time like with the classics

[daring lava]

I feel like the two soundtracks are incredible.

[celest coyote]

Also you have to make your shots count in OG Doom whereas newer doom is zoomer-ridden adhd gameplay where you have infinite ammo and health by killing enemies

[vale gyro]

that, too

[little oar]

Also a good point. Classic is a lot more about ammo management

[daring lava]

Theres a more survival aspect to classic doom

[little oar]

Use the right guns for the job and make them count, because if you run out of ammo then you don't have a chainsaw to save you and refill. You're out of luck until you find more

[celest coyote]

Or sometimes you lean on your chainsaw/fist to save ammo for a later fight you need the ammo for

[little oar]

Also also, nudoom just feels like a glorified wave survival game a lot of the time whereas classic has more labyrinth-y level design and purposefully placed demons

[celest coyote]

New Doom: Go to gorenest, press e, kill wave of enemies, repeat

The entire game is just that, sadly

[little oar]

Which is still fun in its own right because nudoom combat is fun don't get me wrong, but it does get kind of boring after awhile of "enter big room, fight a few waves, walk down linear uninteresting platform challenge until the next big room"
And repeat that for 20 hours

[celest coyote]

No surprises or fun twists, platforming to the next gorenest

All you ever do in Doom Eternal

[little oar]

Also nudoom gives you stuff like the ice grenade or bloodpunch which kind of dimishes any mistakes
If you position yourself poorly and get ganged on by a group of demons, you shouldn't have an easy get out of jail free ticket imo

[celest coyote]

And with so many weapons and options, the game is just…way too easy, compared to OG Doom where you can pistol start each level and start fresh for each map

[little oar]

Classic doom has that with the bfg but switching weapons is slow enough where you are still losing most if not all of your health before you can even fire it

[celest coyote]

This Vaporeon gets it

[little oar]

:)

Nudoom is still great fun for a quick adrenaline fix, but classic is just easier to return to since its balance of combat and exploration is a lot more fun to play around with basically

[azure nimbus]

For Eternal, you either have to play multiplayer or add personal rules(like no lock on or shield) for there to be any challenge.

[celest coyote]

Or you gotta play perma ultra nightmare after you beat campaign once for any challenge

[little oar]

Admittedly I haven't finished eternal and found it insanely hard at first, because the game doesn't do a great job at teaching you how it wants to play. Especially after playing the classic games/2016, it isn't your first instinct that you should be switching weapons every few seconds to stay effective

[little oar]

Especially when the classic games would absolutely punish you for doing so like so

[azure nimbus]

UN doesn't add challenge necessarily but rather stakes. Just like playing classic doom and not saving mid-level

Stakes don't make it harder but they do force you to be consistent

[celest coyote]

It can be fun to get lost in killing demons in newer doom with the new soundtrack for a few minutes, but once the power fantasy dies down, the game becomes uber repetitive and boring to replay. I also really dislike Eternal forcing you to use different weapons by limiting what ammo drops based on the gun you use

[twin mortar]

The first UN was a harder NM and not just NM perma-death

[celest coyote]

2016’s? Yea it was harder

[azure nimbus]

this isn't true. You get ammo based on how upgraded your ammo crystals are

[twin mortar]

No, in 2016 UN was just a permadeath NM

[celest coyote]

You get ammo based on what gun is the lowest and that you are currently not using

Ammo crystals is just an amount, but the type is determined by what you are using

[azure nimbus]

maybe for killing singular enemies when you're legit out of ammo, but as far as your main ammo sources, it's based on set values per crystal(chainsaw) or static drops in the map

[little oar]

Ammo is also super scarce in the newer games. Why is the max ammo upgrade still lower than the default max of the classic games?

SSG almost isn't worth using since you only get like 12 shots with the thing

[azure nimbus]

because weapons fire slower and you have chainsaw

[celest coyote]

Because respawning/infinite ammo

[twin mortar]

They're way beefier in the newer games

[celest coyote]

Less to horde, forces you to use glory kills and chainsaw

[azure nimbus]

ssg is worth using because it's the most powerful per hit weapon in the game and has the most dps when paired with Precision bolt

[twin mortar]

Though monsters are also beefier

[azure nimbus]

glory kills are not forced

[little oar]

Glory kills are only for health iirc, chainsaw is the only way to get ammo back

[dim fjord]

give me discord nitro if you love your parents

[twin mortar]

Barrels

[azure nimbus]

yeah you'll get a handful of shells if you're legit out, but otherwise it's chainsaw and barrels I guess

[little oar]

Thank god btw I usually just waste an extra rocket to kill even in stagger stage because glory kills animations lose their luster by the end of the first few levels

[dim fjord]

its joke 😈

[twin mortar]

I want them to do UN like they did in RAGE 2

[azure nimbus]

Glory kills are largely a waste of time unless you need i-frames or heal. Otherwise, spending the extra shot is perfectly fine. Ammo is not an issue

[twin mortar]

They're good in BM

[little oar]

Almost funny how they knew it was a problem since there's an upgrade to speed them up

[finite crag]

I’m still stuck at the “updating product key”

[twin mortar]

Why post about it in the Classic channel in the middle of a conversation???

[little oar]

I can't drown my demons they know how to swim

[little oar]

At this point your best bet is to ask the steam forums, someone there can probably answer it better than we can

[twin mortar]

In RAGE 2, UN is a beefier NM, and if you still want that perma-death itch, there's an Ironman mode where you can try permadeath on ANY difficulty

[celest coyote]

Glory kills made me cringe when I saw them first introduced. It’s like oh, we just gave up trying to place health and ammo in the level to make the player move around more to just run at bad guys only for ammo/health/and progression

And many times glory kills get you killed in 2016 Doom’s UN once the animation stops

[little oar]

Glory kills are one of those things where they look really cool until you actually play the game and have to deal with them

[celest coyote]

They were made for the masses to pog at during the gameplay expo and sell copies. Shock factor

[finite crag]

I like the i frames, helps with stuff like nearby barrels

[little oar]

Also, on another much bigger note
WHY IS THE GLORY KILL/CHAINSAW RANGE SO HUGE

[celest coyote]

But in game they’re really boring and make your guns feel weak as shit since demons are always glowing and begging to be fisted

[little oar]

The amount of times I'd get disoriented because suddenly I'm halfway across the room was way too many

[celest coyote]

I love how in OG Doom you can just blow up zombies and imps without worry

[azure nimbus]

you can still do that?

[true current]

It's my belief that these newer games are more akin to quake than doom.

[azure nimbus]

Fodder numbers are (usually) set numbers within arenas and will instantly respawn when killed. There's no real reason to keep them alive if you don't need them immediately unless you have a nice flame belch group going

[celest coyote]

Wow I love infinite ammo/armor/and health in every arena! Good game design decision, bethesda

I never feel worried one second playing the game for any resources I could ever need!

What a tough game

Me doom slayer go boom boom

[little oar]

At least we have hope for TDA which seems to be leaving behind the jumping + dash spam in favor of more grounded combat a la 1993

(Supposedly, anyways. Only time will tell if they actually stick to that promise)

[celest coyote]

Hearing that made me somewhat hopeful

Jumping and dashing are absolutely unnecessary in doom and do not fundamentally add to the gameplay

Jump? Just make a slope or stairs. Dash? Just make doomguy fast and put in conveyers for good measure

[little oar]

Nudoom needs to slow down a bit, stop trying to have so many things going on at once

I hate to make this comparison but I can't think of anything better, but sometimes it feels like tiktok videos with subway surfers on the side because ID is scared the player is going to get bored if there isn't something flashy happening 24/7
Or maybe I'm just old and seeing more than 3 colors moving fast scares me, I dunno

[celest coyote]

It is too fast for no real reason and only disorients at best and puts off players from touching it at worst

Like sure people creamed when Eternal first came out, but how many of those players are still booting up Eternal to play outside of multiplayer dm’ing? Not that many people still play Eternal’s singleplayer casually. It was a one and done ordeal and now people have moved on. It would be nice if the next Doom game tried to impress more of a legacy and impact to gaming as a whole rather than look for a quick buck on a well-known IP

But that might be asking for too much from dev’s that think glorykills are a good idea

[little oar]

Nudoom mechanics are fine in concept and can be fun, I wouldn't diss all of ID over it.
I just think attaching it to DOOM was kind of a weird direction

[finite crag]

Am i the only one on PS5 for who the skybox seem "stretched" ?

[little oar]

For the new ports? No. The skybox is a bit finnicky with them, you can see where it begins to loop on E1M1 even.

[azure nimbus]

Theoretically infinite ammo isn't the same as "using as much as you want." There's still pacing. Now it's difficult to outpace the chainsaw, but it's doable if you use the same thing over and over or miss a lot. It promotes using a variety of weapons when outputting damage quickly. Jumping and dashing obviously add to the gameplay: Dashing is about the balance between consistent single dash movement which is significantly faster over time, and an emergency double dash. Jumping allows meathook physics and b-boost physics to exist at all and more direct engagement with flying enemies too

Not every game has to test the same abilities in the same way.

Lots of games have regenerating ammo and that's ok. Theyre balanced in some other way. Doom Eternal was arguably the game that got grapple hooks to be as popular as they are now in games (maybe titanfall2)

[little oar]

Using a variety of weapons does work tbf.
I know I just dissed having to swap weapons every 5 seconds but in the heat of the moment it actually really fun to constantly shift. It's just, again, if something like doom that would punish for that otherwise it feels out of place to sudden encourage such a thing

I guess nudoom just breaks a lot of habits the older games taught, if that makes sense

[azure nimbus]

I always think of it as what combo am I using now. I'm close so I use pb ssg. I'm far so I use pb ball. I'm midrange on a big target so pb rocket. It's early game and I need damage so I use pb sticky.

[little oar]

Never thought of switching it depending on range, I usually just combat shotgun sticky bombs + rocket spam tbh. Chaingun/plasma for the fodder kills

[celest coyote]

This isn’t mortal kombat. There are no combos in Eternal

You are quickly switching guns because the game forces you to

[little oar]

The game does teach you to pair weapons with long reloads together

[azure nimbus]

Precision bolt is on a quickswap weapon (plasma and chaingun also have this property) where you swap off the PB much faster.The combat shotgun has this property but only if quickswapped with the PB. That combined with it being hitscan and having the most ammo, make pb the anchor in every swap

[azure nimbus]

you don't have to. You can absolutely get through the game only using single shots, full autos, and lock on without quickswaps.

[celest coyote]

Until the game puts enemies that can only be killed by one specific weapon with one specific augment

[azure nimbus]

There are obviously combos. The moment new doom comes up, you seem to just lose your mind. Are you kidding?

[azure nimbus]

uh who

[celest coyote]

Stone imp? The ghost that requires the plasma rifle beam?

Did you not play the dlc?

[azure nimbus]

it also doesn't. I'm saying you don't need quickswaps. That wouldn't even pertain to enemies with particular weaknesses. But alright I'll talk about that too

[celest coyote]

It’s ok if ur in denial, but don’t try to act like the game is good compared to OG. That’s my only point

[azure nimbus]

Stone imps: you can pb ballista them, dblade, use rockets, chainsaw, or just ssg them if you really want

[celest coyote]

You wanna write essays for a bad game. That’s for you to do

[azure nimbus]

the ghosts are completely optional. I've beaten AG1 and AG2 without ever harming a ghost (obvi except the boss ones)

You can dislike the game. But you say things that are just untrue.

[twin mortar]

I'm pretty sure you can only kill them with full auto, chainsaw, Sentinel Hammer or the chaingun shield (I think?)

[celest coyote]

Like?

[azure nimbus]

saying that jumping doesn't add to the game. You can dislike what it does, but it clearly adds to the game

Saying that there are no combos. On the surface, obviously a lie

[celest coyote]

Unless you wanna sit there and waste 50 rockets, you can’t kill a stone imp reliably unless you use the specific full auto mod on the shotgun

[azure nimbus]

Saying the game forces you to use combos. Just not true

While the dlc does push you to use specific weapons more, it's just not an issue with how isolated it is (in extra dlc on only a couple enemies) and that it's still optional

[celest coyote]

Jumping vs having ramps does not have any meaningful difference. Same with dashing vs being able to run fast. You can’t say any of that is wrong. You can believe otherwise, but that’s your opinion and not a fact

[azure nimbus]

Yeah that's delusional

[celest coyote]

You act like rapidly smashing the space bar changes much of what is going on versus strafing

It doesn’t. I can promise you as someone who has played the game

[azure nimbus]

I promise you I've played the game a lot and almost certainly more. If you just want to fall back on "having played", for one, that falls apart since multiple people who've played has multiple opinions, and I'd have played more so I guess I'd just win by default

You shouldn't be mashing the dash button. It's about choosing when to use the reliable single dash for overall faster movement and safety and when to invest in a double dash when needed

[celest coyote]

I didn’t say more. You did. I played enough to understand it’s not as good as the originals, again, my original point. So I dislike the game

[azure nimbus]

Jumping enables: jumping over enemies, ssg meathook jumps vertically and horizontally. Ballista boosts are enabled by jumping

[celest coyote]

Eternal simply is zoomer doom, and it’s bad. Happens

[amber herald]

I think if an fps came out whithout the option to jump it would just feel wrong, unless it was an trowback game

[azure nimbus]

While Classic doom's movement is largely momentum based, eternal's is resource based. What are your cooldowns for the ssg and dash. Are you grounded so can jump? Do you have enough ammo for b-boosting? What type of movement is this environment conducive to anyway. How is your chainsaw? Could that supplement more boosts. Do you need armor so can't afford to meathook swing without grabbing armor right now

[vale gyro]

I really liked Eternal, though..

[twin mortar]

Calling it zoomer DOOM is certainly... a choice

[azure nimbus]

You can not like it for vibes. You can not like it because the pacing is different or you don't like the ammo or movement management and can just say that. But don't just make stuff up

[celest coyote]

Make stuff up he says. Think you’re just getting heated, my guy

Oh shit ballista boosting is such a huge mechanic that I for sure needed to use and think about the entire time I played! Let me bring it up like it’s a core mechanic of Eternal! Meat hooking!

[little oar]

What is 'zoomer doom' even supposed to mean? It was made for the current generation?
Yeah, ofc it was. It released a few years ago. Why wouldn't it?

[celest coyote]

Zoomer meaning it is newer, faster-paced

[azure nimbus]

yes it's a core mechanic to skillful play and not required just like sr50, (or even mouse movement at all).

[amber herald]

Most of his arguments can be broken with a simple ok boomer

[azure nimbus]

Honestly calling thigns "zoomer" as an insult just sounds like bias to me.

[twin mortar]

You called it zoomer doom as an insult, and literally half of the meaning of it is that it's "new"? Did you just say you're biased?

[celest coyote]

Yes I am

Is that a problem now? I did say again, this is how I feel about the game

[azure nimbus]

Having preferences is fine. But when your biases lead you to make stuff up...yeah

[twin mortar]

I'm just gonna observe from a distance, watch as this unfolds

[celest coyote]

You can keep saying I made stuff up, but that’s not true.

[twin mortar]

Hey uhh

[azure nimbus]

Considering that you said that jumping changes nothing then admitted that it allows meathooks and bboosts to work -- yeah

[twin mortar]

Are we sure this is in the proper channel though?

[vale gyro]

it's not..

[twin mortar]

"Oh boy I sure want to discuss Classic DOOM in the Classic DOOM channel!" and is greeted by Eternal talk

[little oar]

Tbf it did start as comparing how different nudoom is compared to classic

[twin mortar]

Yeah... started...

[little oar]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[celest coyote]

I didn’t admit it allowed meathooks or b-boosts? I stated I don’t think those things really change the gameplay outside of verticality that auto-aim in OG doom accounted for without needing you to jump or meathook around

You can simply stand still and shoot versus jumping around to shoot. That’s pretty much the core to my argument. I don’t think it changes fundamentally the shooting badguy part

You’re acting like it changes everything. It doesn’t

[azure nimbus]

I guess that's enough. "Moving and jumping is basically the same as not as long as shoot badguy". Alright.

[celest coyote]

In OG doom you strafe to dodge, new doom you gotta jump, meathook and whatever else to dodge. I just prefer strafing

That’s not that wild of an argument

[azure nimbus]

#classic-doom message here you implied that it's not a core mechanic that you need. And now you're saying that you need it?

[celest coyote]

Well they have the pull-up bars you need to jump to to progress, so…

You kinda have to?

[azure nimbus]

Only in AG2

[celest coyote]

That’s not me crying and admitting it’s core genre-defining gameplay mechanic. It just isn’t

[azure nimbus]

I don't think you need to ssg hook a single time in the entire game(except AG2 platforming challenges). It's a method of skill expression first as just another ability for direct hits and armor, then a movement tool. Of course for multiplayer ya neeed the thing.

[celest coyote]

You could remove all pull-up bars and make stairs or elevators

So forth n so on

[twin mortar]

You have to, but only once I think

[azure nimbus]

It's supposed to get you used to the movement options

[azure nimbus]

where? If you're thinking of the initial jump after you get the ssg, you have range with a double dash

the meathook points where only added as enviro tools in AG2 and the game doesn't want to let you get softlocked

[twin mortar]

Isn't there a Zombie you have to meathook to?

[azure nimbus]

you can make that jump in cultist base with a double dash. The mantle range is surprising

[twin mortar]

Ah okay gotcha

[azure nimbus]

Eternal is a game where you can get by with fairly broken tools (shield, lock on, air control, freezy nade, wonderweapons). But the movement tech and ammo routing for speedrunning, or swaps and movement in challenge runs where you personally ban those tools, or skills required for MP are very deep. They play out differently than classic and it's fine to prefer one over the other.

[twin mortar]

There is not a single id game consistent with one another since DOOM and DOOM II anyway

[azure nimbus]

Classic doom as well, does take some player invoked rules to be harder. Playing continuously is really easy for the original levels. You get the BFG in map08, or realistically 09 if you're not that great with secrets and you're chillin. It takes playing pistol start, or fan-made maps or speedruns to really boost the challenge. There is nightmare but I feel that that's a separate discussion since it's so different

[amber herald]

Each game after DOOM II does its own thing

[twin mortar]

Each id game in general

[long flame]

There isn't exactly intense platforming unless fire in dlc though

[azure nimbus]

plutonia and tnt changed a lot by messing up those teleporters

[amber herald]

True that

[azure nimbus]

the platforming in base game is there just so you get used to movement. It's a tutorial so you feel more capable to be fluid in arenas

[celest coyote]

meathook swings intensify

[long flame]

Nit even used in it except tag2

[celest coyote]

Eeyup and it’s bad

[twin mortar]

I mean, look at Quake. Out of the 5 Quakes id made, 3 follow a completely different gameplay style and especially story, one has none, and one meshes together all of them. Look at DOOM; DOOM and DOOM II are alike, then every game after that is different from one another. RAGE; first and second one are like day and night

[azure nimbus]

I honestly never noticed the broken teleporters. I know about the engine bug but I've never actually seen it happen. Do tnt and plut literally never have a TP decrease your height?

guys TF2 has "infinite ammo because technically there are respawning ammo boxes around the map! woah it has no ammo management :(". Ya still have to pace your ammo usage

[long flame]

No you see the problem with it is that you have to manually go and get ammo so you have none ever

[azure nimbus]

I'm not sure what you mean

[twin mortar]

At this point if you expect any id game to be similiar to another one, then yeah... that's a bit on you...

[azure nimbus]

I guess that's where I'd distinguish between a cooldown and ammo. Ammo you pickup and a cooldown is timer based

[west owl]

yea, did you also know that tfc plays in the universe of half life 1, but tf2 plays in it's own universe

[twin mortar]

This chat is being used for anything but Classic DOOM it seems

[west owl]

Idk I literally joined a few seconds ago

[amber herald]

https://tenor.com/view/the-more-you-know-gif-26317296

[little oar]

Great first impression, surely. Welcome aboard

[twin mortar]

(that doesn't change anything)

[azure nimbus]

It's alright. The games have a ton of overlap.

[vale gyro]

ello

[west owl]

(I know)

[west owl]

hi

[amber herald]

Wellcum

[west owl]

tbh, I was on r/doom, and I gotta say, I did not expect the community to be this nice

and you guys also seem nice

[twin mortar]

Oh no, this server sucks, trust me

[remote cedar]

This place isn't that bad just don't go to general

[twin mortar]

I mean, it's a lovely place with some lovely regulars, but god damn man

[vale gyro]

yeah... it's either perfectly sane or a mental prison

[little oar]

Or both!

[twin mortar]

Pretty much anyone with the "I'm new here!" emoji is gonna say stupid shit and act like it's a fact

[vale gyro]

no inbetween

[west owl]

https://tenor.com/view/sweats-gif-25346666

what do they do in general

[twin mortar]

General is pretty much "The longer the Icon of Sin" but replaced with unfunny gen alpha slang

[remote cedar]

They argue and bicker over stupid stuff, last time I checked

[little oar]

That's the #off-topic of the server pretty much. Anything goes there

[twin mortar]

Sometimes it's unbearable to be here

[little oar]

Good discussions can be had there, but also a lot of just joking around and memeing

[west owl]

Sounds like it sucks tbh

[twin mortar]

Lego, do you remember a few days ago when I talked about how it annoys me how I had to keep repeating myself then someone else said "I wasn't paying attention can you say it again" to Coder

[little oar]

Yeah lmao

[vale gyro]

oh yeah..

[remote cedar]

The rizzer the skibidi, the more ohio it becomes...

[twin mortar]

That is the experience summarized

[little oar]

#general is unintentionally really funny sometimes

[twin mortar]

The more people say this, the unfunnier it becomes

[remote cedar]

REAL

[celest coyote]

what experience? Can you repeat that? I just got back

[vale gyro]

speaking of General..

we should probably move there

[celest coyote]

😁

[twin mortar]

Death

[long flame]

At least it's not The batman arkham reddit

[vale gyro]

No.

[west owl]

yea

[remote cedar]

Hell no I'm staying here, the game channels are generally tamer

[twin mortar]

I've started only becoming active here since around the TDA trailer, and I have been REALLY active, someone once asked me if I sleep at all because they see me all the time lol

[remote cedar]

Yeah dude I always see you around

[vale gyro]

only saying this because this has turned to anything BUT Classic Doom

[twin mortar]

But in that short time I've been active, god damn man sometimes I wanna run my eyeballs through a cheese grater

[little oar]

Welcome to the discord experience

[lapis wolf]

.
M1?

[vale gyro]

yeah, especially after that one weird series of GIFs

[little oar]

t. someone stuck on this hellhole program for 8 years

[twin mortar]

I have no idea, probably not

[remote cedar]

At least I know I can ask questions here and people will answer

[vale gyro]

I still can't cleanse my mind

[twin mortar]

There's an actual reason why I'm always here

[remote cedar]

And what would that reason be?

[lapis wolf]

Do y'all prefer Ancient Aliens or Eviternity? I prefer Ancient Aliens pretty easily

[twin mortar]

I love id Software, like, to the point where I would sell all of my limbs to meet Romero. No other server interests me, I DM a total of like 3 people, so most of my time on Discord nowadays is here

I have a fucked sleep schedule and nothing else to do, so I usually play on my console while having my monitor to my right, I glance at it sometimes to see if there's any messages

[remote cedar]

I understand, I also think highly of id Software no matter the game we're talking about

[long flame]

For me it'd be carmac

[twin mortar]

I like to answer questions, and god damn I sometimes feel like I'm talking to a fucking brick wall, it's terrible lol

[remote cedar]

They're the kind of developers you can slap on a game's label and I'll know I can trust it to be good

[vale gyro]

can't say it any better

[lapis wolf]

iD Software and Flying Wild Hog are my favorite FPS studios

[twin mortar]

Example; #general message

I have a few people from this server I would like to see gone someday, a man can dream I guess

[long flame]

Like the guy who asked about no 240 fps when he was on a 60hz

[twin mortar]

I literally only play id Software IPs nowadays, if you list an id game there's a pretty high chance I've played it

[remote cedar]

Rookie mistake...

[vale gyro]

I wanted to forget about that

[twin mortar]

I also like Valve Software IPs but I rarely play that, I play other genres too obviously but for FPS my go-to IPs are from id and Valve

[remote cedar]

Honestly I've seen that from time to time, people do be dumb

Not like I'm any better, it's something I sometimes fo

do* my fat thumbs...

[twin mortar]

Someone once asked me for help, I wanted to help, they said later, then tried to guess what the problem was, their reasoning? "The Pinky model downloaded wrong" from a line of text they said they can't even READ. I was like "what?" and got called dense. Like okay asshat, go solve your own problem then

[amber herald]

When i open my steam the first thing it shows are ID and Valve games

[twin mortar]

That guy's still here sometimes so he might see this, but I don't care, that was painful

[lapis wolf]

Wtf Doom Eternal was just revealed

[twin mortar]

When you open Steam the first thing you see is a Valve program

[amber herald]

XD

[twin mortar]

It's very common here unfortunately

Either that or you awaken to seeing General either be a wall of text about venting, or people arguing about shit

Half the time it's something stupid, other times it's something serious because someone did something stupid

[lapis wolf]

I remember a guy with relationship issues and insulting others people

[twin mortar]

Still remember an argument between two users because one of them compared fucking MENTAL ILLNESSES to POKEMON

[twin mortar]

I was one of the ones insulted lmfao

I was asleep so it was funny to wake up to M1 telling me what happened

[remote cedar]

Gee I wonder why he's having relationship issues...

(tbh that was uncalled for but like damn bro look in a mirror)

[lapis wolf]

Someone compared a guy's Doom question to mental issues

[remote cedar]

(Some introspection might help!)

[lapis wolf]

Mental illness I mean

[amber herald]

Im VERY new to fps, just started last year with doom 64, so far i played doom 1, 2, 64, 2016 and half life 1, 2 with its episodes

[twin mortar]

There's one person in this server [won't point names] whose entire humor is basically calling guys girls, and it is very clear when it's 'funny' and when it just makes people uncomfortable

Which is especially funny because that person also used to apologize in advance for random shit

[celest coyote]

Those are all good titles to play around in

[remote cedar]

I wouldn't call that "very new to fps" man that's a handful of em FPS games

[celest coyote]

I still need to play Doom64 myself tho

[twin mortar]

Oh I'm new too;
"I'm kinda fresh to the FPS scene; got into TF2 2019, Half-Life and DOOM in 2020, all things Valve in 2021, and then all things id Software earlier this year
I'd say for id I've gathered quite a bit of knowledge and a collection, so when QuakeCon 2024 happened the Heretic/Hexen Pack was on sale so I thought "Why not? Might as well complete my collection." I haven't played much of them, as D+D2 and RAGE 2 has kept me busy, but I have enjoyed what I played
Definitely remember hearing "Greetings, mortal " sometime before! "
My message about it in the Heretic server

[amber herald]

True

[lapis wolf]

I remember the guy who said aids all the time, and M1 got so upset lol

[twin mortar]

Someone once got banned for calling M1 his "pedo uncle"

[amber herald]

Yikes

[twin mortar]

Is it really that hard to keep yourself away from saying stupidly offensive random shit

[lapis wolf]

💀 what the crapola?

[remote cedar]

Deserved, think before you speak

[celest coyote]

M1? Sorry if that’s a dumb question

[twin mortar]

My humor is objectively stupid, I once laughed to tears over google translate calling the local church "The Church of Saint Rat", but at least it's better than calling people literal pedos

[twin mortar]

@barren parrot come say hi

[amber herald]

I know, right??

[celest coyote]

Oh someone in the discord, haven’t ran into them yet

[lapis wolf]

Someone had the username as "authentic pedo" or something gross like that and kept....well saying.... naughty things about....yeah

[twin mortar]

Bait is also a huge issue here

[remote cedar]

Getting banned speedrun

[celest coyote]

Tend to only stick to this channel and the classic mapping one

[twin mortar]

A guy named 2012 in general won't admit it, but his entire existence is to bait in stupid ways

[barren parrot]

Hii

[celest coyote]

Heya 😄

[lapis wolf]

Definitely.

[remote cedar]

The old saying goes: "Bait used to be believable" and man it rings especially true with some people

That's why I stay here, the bait is usually not as bad

[barren parrot]

How are you

[twin mortar]

Another issue is opinions. People here cannot handle them sometimes. And I have some pretty spicy takes
But my biggest issue is people joining in on conversations or giving opinions on shit they haven't even consumed, like Tammie said here; #general message

[barren parrot]

Yes, that was a based ban

[celest coyote]

Tired but getting UDB opened up for another mapping sesh. You?

[twin mortar]

M1, do you remember when we were arguing with someone about the Marauder only for a big plot twist being that they haven't even fought him and just lied to be cool?

[remote cedar]

Some people love to talk out of their ass just to feel included

[celest coyote]

That’s funny

[remote cedar]

Sadly I am like that sometimes and I understand I need to have a more open mind about such topics

At least I acknowledge it's become a problem

[lapis wolf]

M1 looking at Classic Doom chat?

What the...

[twin mortar]

Some spicy takes of mine;
-RAGE is a good game
-Return to Castle Wolfenstein is slop and I hate it
-DOOM 2005 is a great movie
-DOOM 3 is a good game, and a good DOOM game

[celest coyote]

Rage..I remember being so hyped for it back in the day

It was pretty cool too

[remote cedar]

I have consumed none of the mentioned media so I can't say for sure (I have yet to play Doom 3 because I'm a fake fan)

[barren parrot]

Omg yes

[lapis wolf]

I don't think those are thaaaat spicy, other than the movie and RtCW take

[amber herald]

I think i will give doom 3 a shot, i just hope it isnt very cutscene havy

[twin mortar]

I've been hooked on RAGE 2 lately

[twin mortar]

You calling it RoCW reminds me of some idiot baiter not too long ago trying to do stupid bait by being like "Return to :Wolfenstein the castle yes? Tycoon" "Wolfenstein castle Return 2? gAME"

Literally just saying the RtCW acronym in fucky ways or the full name but with tycoon, it was obnoxious

M1 knows who I am talking about probably, I still believe that guy is underage

[barren parrot]

Im also tired, but I have 40 min of fast bicycling to get home :/

[barren parrot]

AnomeQ pinged me!!

[lapis wolf]

Lmfao.

[azure nimbus]

it's just what happens with a popular new popular single player game with no new content. People just repeat the same stuff and there are too many people to be moderated effectively

[remote cedar]

Taking a break to play something else would be healthier

But hey who am I to judge

I fuckin love Doom too

[twin mortar]

I don't remember when 2016 came out that people would go "You have to release the hinges..." all the time

[celest coyote]

Be safe on your way back

[lapis wolf]

Mmm hmmm

You just like Classic pixels Marauder better

[remote cedar]

Carefully release the cringes...

[twin mortar]

Are you talking about me with RAGE 2? I've racked up like 8 hours of playtime on it since last night

[lapis wolf]

And the "you can't just shoot a hole..." is the sequel

[remote cedar]

Just people that go insane because of a lack of new content

[twin mortar]

You have to carefully release the hinges of the Icon of Sin, because you can't just shoot a hole into the surface of it, but the longer it is on Earth the Rip and Tear LOCAL MAN TOO ANGRY TO DIE it becomes

[remote cedar]

Like my brother in balls the new content is literally everywhere if you just play another game

[twin mortar]

Your brother in what

[remote cedar]

Nevermind that

You said your humor was stupid? Mine's subzero IQ level

[vale gyro]

???

[twin mortar]

Mine used to be way worse though

I remember going on Yggdrasil (discord bot) to chat with strangers, and my opening line would have something to do with Quake 4 for Xbox 360 being up someone's skirt

[remote cedar]

I say balls a lot don't pay it no mind

[twin mortar]

It was like "[they lift up a skirt, and it reveals a shining new sealed copy of Quake 4 for Xbox 360]"

I have never played Quake 4 on 360, nor have I even finished it on PC

[lapis wolf]

Rip and BFG until the hole of Mars is done.

Also he killed a Titan with barehands. He doesn't need guns, he just thinks they're fun. He released the hinges to carefully showcase the made up fabricated power scale

[remote cedar]

I have never touched a Quake game but I might since it's an id Software game

[twin mortar]

Anime bad DOOM good

Well talk about timing

[remote cedar]

I do have a HUGE backlog in the meantime though so that's gonna take a while

[twin mortar]

Brother

[remote cedar]

Yo

[twin mortar]

How the fuck have you not played Quake when earlier you said anything with an id sticker is guaranteed to be good in your eyes

You haven't played like 1/3 of their catalogue then lmao

[remote cedar]

Yeah that's true but I still trust em

[lapis wolf]

"Doom is just a $60 soundtrack that comes with a free game"

"In Dark Souls, you're trapped in rooms with demons. In DOOM, the demons are trapped with you"

Omg guys I'm so cool. DOOM Eternal just released and this proves how hardcore of a fanboy I am

[remote cedar]

I just have a few franchises to clear first if you don't mind

[twin mortar]

Quake is great, but I have a question; do you play DOOM with freelook, jumping, crouching and/or a crosshair?

[twin mortar]

Game journalists (everybody claps)

[amber herald]

Forgot to say quake 1 and 2 👉👈

[remote cedar]

Back when I didn't know jack about Doom, when 12 year old me downloaded the doom2 wad off somewhere and played it, I did play with all of these. But I know better now!

[twin mortar]

You have all of them off then?

[lapis wolf]

Dean Takahashi bad. I now get 10,000 subscribers

[azure nimbus]

I always think of mouselook as using the mouse to aim and freelook as the vertical look. Since using the mouse isn't required for aiming vertically or the thing that makes you aim vertically

[remote cedar]

Yeah now I do

[amber herald]

It just feels wrong

[twin mortar]

Same thing

[remote cedar]

Don't worry about it I know how to play this the right way now

[twin mortar]

Okay, then I recommend if you play Quake to crank the FOV up to 125, as per tradition

You can turn the crosshair on as it's still pure, the game shipped with it

[lapis wolf]

I liked Quake. Though I never clicked with it the same way I do with DOOM.

[amber herald]

motion sickness intensify

[twin mortar]

Probably because Quake's story is the equivalent of eating mashed potatoes out of a fucking dog bowl

[azure nimbus]

Some people act like mouselook, literally using the mouse, is anti-vanilla. Where some people, correctly, act like using vertical look is anti-vanilla

[twin mortar]

Fiine, I'll edit the message

[lapis wolf]

Feed that to a Cyberdemon

[remote cedar]

Yeah I use horizontal mouse look only, leaving the vertical aiming to autoaim

[azure nimbus]

Are you sure that the original game on DOS had a crosshair? I don't think so. It's allowed for speedruns (since they can't outlaw putting tape on your monitor), but I don't think it was in the original

[vale gyro]

it does not

[azure nimbus]

I do use vertical look for screenshots and if I'm exploring the map with cheats and -fly for that last secret

[twin mortar]

"crosshair 1"

I don't think that was for DOS, but it was for WinQuake and Quakeworld I think

[vale gyro]

yeah, not for DOS at all

[twin mortar]

Nevermind, it was for DOS;
"crosshair 1 is an available console command in every retail version of Quake, going all the way back to the DOS 1.00 release, even though it wasn't enabled by default."

[amber herald]

To me the weapon sprite already serves the function of an crosshair pretty well

[twin mortar]

That's kind of hard in Quake though

[amber herald]

True

I tried it once ...

[twin mortar]

I have crosshair off in Heretic/Hexen as I feel like enabling a crosshair there feels like lowering the skill ceiling, though for Quake I have it on as the game shipped with it

[vale gyro]

oh my god I just realized you're not talking about Classic Doom

[remote cedar]

LMAO

Yeah this has turned into Quake chat

[vale gyro]

WELL Y'ALL ARE TALKIN' IN HERE

[twin mortar]

As I said earlier, this channel is being used very accurately

[lapis wolf]

The Quake 1 mod where you can play DOOM Episode 1 is Omega based

[twin mortar]

Hey StOil, which DOOMs have you played? (Hope you don't mind me calling you by name instead of a ping lol, I've seen people get angry over this)

Remember to stay away from general, kids! #general message

[lunar rune]

Don't think I've messaged anywhere except here, for good reason

I don't really play the other games lmao

[twin mortar]

Personally it's tough to name a DOOM game I haven't played

[barren parrot]

Lol thanks, the sun is already down

[barren parrot]

Nuh uh

[twin mortar]

I hear dying animals outside, lovely

[thick token]

sounds like a really good start (dont show serious sam to this guy)

[amber herald]

And also played quake 1 and 2

[thick token]

also good

[amber herald]

And why not serious sam?

[thick token]

well, most of the games you named are either rich in story telling or gameplay, serious sam has a story (although VERY complicated) but it has nice gameplay and mostly just shooting enemies, imagine that "to kill the cyberdemon, shoot it until it dies" quote turned into a game, its very arcadey but it doesnt mean that it doesnt have good gameplay mechanics, in easier dificulties its very mindless, in hard dificulties it gets a bit more strategical

[amber herald]

Hm, interesting

[thick token]

pretty much its a less strategical game unless youre playing hard dificulties

you can still have fun with it though

[amber herald]

Gonna buy duke nukem forever, heard great things abt it

[twin mortar]

Suuure

[amber herald]

XD

Jk, but is the steam version of duke nukem 3d good?

[twin mortar]

Personally I do not like the game itself

[amber herald]

But is the porch gud?

[thick token]

idk, only played the xbox live version

heard duke nukem 3d is good though

[amber herald]

You, doom 3 fan, is the steam port a good porch?

[finite crag]

Doom 3 Porch

[twin mortar]

Uhh, depends? Do you mean the BFG Edition?

[amber herald]

Are they sold separate?

[twin mortar]

Nope, they're bundled

[finite crag]

Made me laugh I apologize

[twin mortar]

But do you mean the original or BFG Edition?

[amber herald]

The og

[twin mortar]

Well, no

[amber herald]

Is it on steam?

[twin mortar]

Yeah it is

But it's broken partially on Steam, setting any setting in-game will just make it be super low quality

You can work around this by editing the config files in the game location

And people often have issues with the keys the game asks you for

But other than that, yeah it's just DOOM 3

[thick token]

doom 3 porch would go hard with my quake garage

[finite crag]

Along with my Wolfenstein House

And my Rage car

[twin mortar]

And Heretic wand

[finite crag]

And Hovertank car

[twin mortar]

Catacombs basement

[thick token]

brother has a doom level in his house 😭

[finite crag]

My Commander Keen windows

[finite crag]

Which one

[twin mortar]

(Catacombs is an older game from id but okay)

Orcs & Elves dog

[thick token]

ok dude orcs and elves is too far

[vale gyro]

I got Carmack's Reverse Poster

[thick token]

grampa status

[twin mortar]

Mahjong Solitaire 👴

[thick token]

chess 💀

[finite crag]

Checkers 😔

[twin mortar]

Okay it was called Tiles of the Dragon

[thick token]

dude

[twin mortar]

Dangerous Dave

[vale gyro]

but why is Dave dangerous?

[twin mortar]

I've admittedly not played any of their pre-1992 games, don't crucify me

[twin mortar]

Because Dave was friends with the impaled Romero head

[vale gyro]

can't be more dangerous than Doom Guy

[finite crag]

Is Sam Serious?

[thick token]

did Duke Nukem?

Is the guy Doomed?

[twin mortar]

Is the Wolf of Stone?

[vale gyro]

I can't make a funny joke

[twin mortar]

You're telling me a Penguin1 coded this launcher?

[finite crag]

Why does the Ranger Quake?

[vale gyro]

I've been exposed

[thick token]

CoatHerPenguin? no i dont think i will

[twin mortar]

Why are the Catacombs 3D?

Why is the Order New?

[finite crag]

Why is the Tank Hovering in 3D?

[vale gyro]

who made the order?

[twin mortar]

Who is RAGing?

[finite crag]

Why is the Doom Eternal?

[twin mortar]

What happened to DOOM 4-63?

[thick token]

Why was there a quake at the arena at 3

[twin mortar]

Is the Quake Live?

[finite crag]

What happened to Doom 65-2015?

[twin mortar]

Why are the Gods Ancient?

[finite crag]

Why does the Champion Quake?

[vale gyro]

he got scared

[twin mortar]

Why is M1 E1?

[finite crag]

Why is Hans Grosse?

[vale gyro]

this chat has devolved from Classic Doom to classic memes

[twin mortar]

Simple? How Simple? Dead Simple?

Why is Billy Blazing?

[twin mortar]

You started it

[vale gyro]

you're not wrong

[finite crag]

How'd you make that Even Simpler?

[twin mortar]

What should we name our cybernetic demon?

[amber herald]

Mecha demon

[finite crag]

Why is the Spider so smart, is it a Mastermind?

[twin mortar]

Okay I'm out

You win

[vale gyro]

she wasn't smart enough to skip work that day

[finite crag]

What do you mean I win?

[vale gyro]

AGH, MY ARM CRAMPED UP

THAT'S WHAT I GET FOR MY UNFUNNY JOKES

[finite crag]

Gotcha

[vale gyro]

ok, arm started to work again

[twin mortar]

I had a leg cramp not too long ago right after taking some iron

How did I write iron instead of magnesium

I should really sleep

[finite crag]

Sleep

It feels good

[twin mortar]

But... headphones and Quake music...

[vale gyro]

last time I took iron I went to prison! (The refinery was not happy)

[finite crag]

Sleep to Quake music

[twin mortar]

Why is the refinery toxic?

[vale gyro]

GOD DAMNIT

[finite crag]

What's Dis?

[twin mortar]

Actually doable with the Quake I ost

[twin mortar]

Hands down the best one

[vale gyro]

yeah that was pretty fucking good

[amber herald]

I find quake and doom 64 ost quite relaxing, if you ingnore the moans of the damned

[vale gyro]

they turn my nerves into a wreck

anyways, moving to general, I've flooded this chat too much

[finite crag]

You good

Doom 64 OST makes me lose my mind besides the Main Theme during the intro cutscene

[twin mortar]

No, sir, do not

[vale gyro]

I'd rather get yelled at by people than get yelled at by the mods

[finite crag]

mods are people

[amber herald]

XD

[twin mortar]

#justiceformods

Fiiine, let's go to general

[vale gyro]

I mean those people, the baiters

[wanton cave]

Can you earn achievements in coop in the new ports

[finite crag]

No coop achievements iirc

But yes

[simple dew]

omg im on E1M3 of Legacy of Rust about to get the blue key
no spoilers
but
damn

[robust robin]

Where do I ask for co op?

[rustic escarp]

Anyone down for a doom + doom 2 deathmatch

[bold sundial]

Hi

I need help in multiplayer

I have to play online I need 4 people please you have to platinum doom

[sullen forge]

I am having an issue on the Switch Version of Doom + Doom II. I cannot do any local couch co-op. It does not add any other players even though I have 3 controllers attached. The other 2 controllers can control the menus but when in game they do nothing. Does anyone know how to setup the splitscreen mode on the switch?

[wanton cave]

I think episode 4 might be the weakest out of the eps in doom 1

[stone tiger]

Usually what others say

[smoky gorge]

are youtube videos able to be embed in this channel? theres something i want to send

[jade solstice]

Can we not play the mods online

Or am I just dumb lol

[jade solstice]

To my knowledge, no you cannot @finite crag

I played co op w my gf and I got no achievements when playing

[true current]

Unfortunately, not yet. Not sure if they have plans to add that.

[jade solstice]

I hope so 😦 saddens me

[teal delta]

did they finally fix the bluetooth sound error?

i play with a workaround, but it's so annoying having to do it every time

[wanton cave]

How harder is Doom 2 compared to 1?

[lapis wolf]

Idk, Thy Flesh Consumed is harder than DOOM II tbh

[wanton cave]

[spark helm]

[jade solstice]

Doom 2 is pretty hard IMO compared to one

Enemy spam is more prominent and the level design feels random AF sometimes - get lost a lot

Doesn’t feel as clean

[little oar]

Definitely has some weirder level designs, especially around the time of the city/open levels
Plasma rifle is useful for crowd control if you need it and don't want to use the bfg (or don't have it)
But as far as compared to doom 1, it's easier imo. More enemy spammy but the game also gives you more ammo to deal with them. The new demons are bulky but pretty slow and not much of a threat if you know how they work.
Doom 2 also really likes giving you powerups (especially invincibility) before any major hurdle

Like Kiryu said, Episode 4 is harder than almost anything doom 2 will throw at you. If you can handle E4 then doom 2 shouldn't be a problem

[fast sky]

is the voxel doom mod in the official "mod page" yet

[edgy tiger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mhdGeQ9NHo

[median cloud]

Plutonia > TNT > NRFTL > E4 > D2 > D1

If I want to be more accurate its probably:
Plutonia >> TNT >/ NRFTL > E4 > D2 >> D1

[silent pelican]

When "Can't find 'rt/bin/RTGL1.dll' file" has solution i try to setup this again

[weary lichen]

Does anybody have a guide video on how to make my own wad for doom 1 + 2 remastered

[azure nimbus]

it's not gonna work

[azure nimbus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m57H4fY79NU&list=PLgU3IUvBpyiY1yYfH8uKy9N8NQwA7G3JB&index=22

[weary lichen]

i dont want it for zdoom

I want it for the new remaster of both dooms

Like the mods on the official mod list

[twin mortar]

You can't make mods on the remaster itself, only upload to them

[weary lichen]

Wait,u mean upload mods that are already made?

[azure nimbus]

UDB works for doom1, doom2, boom, mbf, mbf21, and various zdoom derived formats. The official list would take some direct contact with ID. But you can upload stuff to the unofficial content library too.

Or you can upload stuff to doomworld for other people to see

[twin mortar]

Yes, you cannot make them in the remaster itself, you need to use what mmjp linked

[azure nimbus]

You do have to make a thing before it's uploaded. Just make sure to upload only things that you made.

[weary lichen]

Yeah

[twin mortar]

And ones that work

[weary lichen]

Ik

[weary lichen]

Wdym by that?

[azure nimbus]

lots of people upload stuff that doesn't work

[twin mortar]

Don't upload GZDoom mods to the browser, they won't work

[azure nimbus]

because they know that myhouse.wad is the funni meme doom map so upload a million different copies of the thing that doesn't work to the rerelease

[weary lichen]

So zdoom mods?

[twin mortar]

Only upload stuff that works on vanilla or Boom

MBF21 too

[weary lichen]

What is boom and mbf21

[twin mortar]

Source ports, the rerelease has functionality for them

[weary lichen]

Alr

Is it possible to retexture in udb

[twin mortar]

[azure nimbus]

mbf21 was never a source port. It's only ever been a mapping and computability standard. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFZFNE0a82w. I suggest playing some custom content and exploring them in the map editors too. Boom and MBF21 formats primaily allow for more features and customization than the base doom2.exe engine. Most notably is conveyor belts which allow for more advanced logic gates by scrolling voodoo dolls across linedefs

[amber osprey]

Ultimate Doom Builder works for any source port

[sick yacht]

can we already put legacy of rust on source ports ?

or is it only on the kex version by now

[amber herald]

I saw someone playing lor on gzdoom

[sick yacht]

dumb question: how do I set my wad files next to my exe file from dsda doom, so I can drag and drop them more easily ?

on the folder

[little oar]

If your windows keeps organizing them then you can't do much unless you want them all on your desktop.
If you haven't already, ZDL is a program made for exactly this. Makes keeping wads and games easier to do and more organized without having to drag and drop

[median cloud]

Copy and paste onto the .exe also works

[sick yacht]

Im gonna try setting dsda exe as a shortcut and then open file explorer and drop the files on the shortcut

on my desktop

[wanton cave]

I struggled with ep 4 so rip

[celest coyote]

Everyone does their first time

I think it’s pretty par for the course to struggle with e4 if you’ve never played any of it before

[little oar]

^

Your first time playing anything will always be your roughest

[true current]

Upon checking doomworld, it seems that the reason why tntphobia doesn't work is because this kex port does not have the capability for silent teleport lines.

[celest coyote]

silent teleport lines I think are from boom, and I thought kex was boom-compatible

[vale gyro]

it is but I think they skipped silent teleporter lines by accident

they had to reverse-engineer all compatibility

[true current]

There are a lot of issues with this kex port i guess.

[celest coyote]

oh yea? wild

[true current]

A bug i've noticed specifically is if you shoot an enemy whilst they are on a ledge, they have a huge chance to ignore the legde entirely, and appear at the bottom of the ledge whilst ignoring the linedefs.

[vale gyro]

huh

[true current]

It's not gonna stop me from playing whatsoever, lol.

[vale gyro]

that'd make me go like "WTF" the first time I saw it

[sick yacht]

I cant find LOR WAD on Doom + Doom 2 files on Steam

Is it there ?

[vale gyro]

it's everything with id1

so id1.wad, id1-res.wad, and id-weap.wad

[true current]

It's unfortunately extremely replicable. If you watch the demo for btsx, it happens in that demo about 24 seconds in every time.

[vale gyro]

from my experience LOR has to be loaded in that specific order

[vale gyro]

I'll check it out when I can I suppose

[sick yacht]

thanks

[vale gyro]

also, LOR will work on any MBF21 compatible port (DSDA-Doom, GZDoom, Woof, Nugget Doom)

[celest coyote]

I'm for sure playing LOR on dsda when I get around to it

[sick yacht]

so I need to set the complevel to mbf21 ?

[vale gyro]

yeah

[sick yacht]

ok

[vale gyro]

it works nicely on Nugget Doom in my experience

it'd work fine on DSDA with no doubt, though

[celest coyote]

Currently playing through a breather wad called DeepBreath, or DBRETH.wad, very nice underwater techbase mapset

oh that's a good pun and I didn't notice it either

[true current]

Also, if you download a bunch of mods, say 70+ on one system, it will then break the play menu on every other system. I'm having that issue with my ps5 at the moment.

[vale gyro]

why would you even want to install over 70 mods at once anyways?

[true current]

No input is registered, and it's a hard lock.

[true current]

Because there are over 70+ good mapsets being uploaded.

[vale gyro]

but still

you could just... install them as needed

[celest coyote]

he did it...for science

[true current]

I'm unfortunately a hoarder.

I want it all, lol.

[celest coyote]

we must push kex to its limits to make it better

[vale gyro]

fair

bugs aren't gonna be fixed if they're not discovered

[true current]

Doomworld has an entire list.

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/147032-doom-doom-ii-2024-kex-remaster-bug-report-thread/

[vale gyro]

ok, I actually finished the thing I've been needing to finish

I thought it was gonna be more annoying, I guess not

[celest coyote]

congrats

[wanton cave]

Does 64 count as classic doom?

[lunar rune]

Yes

[vale gyro]

it's still different enough to have it's own channel

[lunar rune]

It was only a year after Final DOOM so I definitely count it as classic

[lunar rune]

It's different enough yeah

[lapis wolf]

Pretty sure I have more, and it still lets me use the menus (I'm on Xbox One S)

[lapis wolf]

Oh yeah happens a lot. Also enemies getting stuck in walls is common too. Far more common than other ports

[wanton cave]

What mp items are added if you use that modifier in the recent port?

[twin mortar]

All of them

[charred ermine]

That would probably be the map designer fault

But can you list out the maps with stuck demons?

[azure nimbus]

drag and drop it into the folder

[lapis wolf]

Doubt it. Happens a lot in Sunlust and Eviternity, and I never seen that issue when I watch other people play them on earlier ports and versions

[dusk lodge]

i dont see anything about being unable to save whatsoever
i guess that makes me the first

[lapis wolf]

Also happens on DOOM 4 Vanilla and DOOM II Redux, which are regular DOOM II maps (I mean DOOM II Redux overhauls the maps, but still)

What do you all think of Legacy of Rust?

I'm at the last level of Episode 1.

[azure nimbus]

regular doom2 maps have stuck monsters. map08 and 31 off the top of my head. not to mention e1m5 and e2m6 all have stuck pinkies

sunlust should be solid though, no issues

I wouldn't be surprised if map30 doesn't work in the rerelease though

[lapis wolf]

Some levels were straight up unbeatable because of enemies getting stuck in the walls. They were trigger enemies in particular

On Sunlust

Ruins of Skania in particular had Archviles stuck in the walls so I couldn't progress

[lapis wolf]

Anyway for me, it's really really good, though it feels a bit uneven and has some pacing issues

[wanton cave]

Whats the general difficulty of all the expansions in the new collection?

[jade solstice]

Downloaded a handful of mods to play
Ancient aliens
Alien vendetta (deluxe carnage) (?) not sure what deluxe means but sure
Eviternity
And scythe / scythe 2 🙂

[lapis wolf]

Legacy of Rust is quite brutal. Probably the hardest official content in classic DOOM.

[jade solstice]

Liked it but the last 2 levels of each episode are wild

[azure nimbus]

trigger enemies?

map07 triggers?

[lapis wolf]

I really liked Map 6 of E1, though I got very lost lmao.

Haven't played Map 7 yet

[lapis wolf]

There's rooms where you have to kill everyone, so the walls will lower so you can progress.

Ruins of Skania had a room where those enemies got stuck in walls and unkillable

Ruins of Skania is Map 13 I believe

[azure nimbus]

I don't believe sunlust used kill triggers outside of map07. They are exceedingly rare

it's just boom. no mapinfo fanciness

SL came out before umapinfo

[lapis wolf]

Eh, the encounter used kill triggers when I watched others play it too.... except they weren't on the new KEX port, so they didn't have the final Archviles stuck in the wall, so the gates lowered for them after they killed the Archviles

[fair canyon]

Hello

[lapis wolf]

They are rare in Sunlust, yeah, but Map 13 / Ruins of Skania had atleast one encounter with it

[modest galleon]

Wow so no updatr to OG doom and doom ii we get a third game woth everything so you know how this is insulting

[twin mortar]

What?

[modest galleon]

Just patch doom and doom ii

Instead of making a third release woth doom plus doom ii

This is total bull shit

[twin mortar]

How is that bullshit?

[bright falcon]

I think its prety good why is it bad

[twin mortar]

How is it insulting to make a new version instead of patching the old ones? The new version is literally free to owners of the old one

[little oar]

That's...that's what they did

[twin mortar]

Seperate release on console

[little oar]

You need to realize this isn't just a few tweaks. This update moved doom 1/2 to an entirely new engine

Oh

[twin mortar]

But it's still free of charge, and it being seperate is a GOOD thing

[modest galleon]

Just patch ffs

[little oar]

Ok what's the problem still, you get it for free because you own doom 1/2

[jade solstice]

What specifically do they “need” to patch anyway- I didn’t think unity port was bad. Lol

[little oar]

Delete the old ones and download the new free one

[twin mortar]

This isn't a patch, it's an entirely new version, making it an update wouldn't make sense

[modest galleon]

I cant delete my current trophies

[twin mortar]

What?

[jade solstice]

So you get new ones

[modest galleon]

This is really insulting

[little oar]

It wasn't, but this patched as much as it added. Stuff like crosshairs, PoV sliders, new ost, proper mod support etc etc

Just saying "patch" because it's shorter and simpler

[modest galleon]

Like to versipn and mine is fake

2 version

[bright falcon]

What

[jade solstice]

The only complaints I have in new version is:

1. online MP for mods
   And 2) in-game cheat menu for controller plebs

[little oar]

Oh. A trophy hunter.
...so you have access to even more trophies is a bad thing now?

You already have the trophies so you know you can complete them. Just do it again, literally free trophies

[modest galleon]

Twice same game looks gooffie

[little oar]

Isn't this what you guys froth at the mouth for?

[modest galleon]

And they sayong i dont have real version

[twin mortar]

Yeah, should've canceled the version because of your trophy hunter needs, sure

[modest galleon]

All those effort wasted and no coop online upgread only tnong tjat was needed

[jade solstice]

How is it wasted if you still have them

[twin mortar]

Well they did more than just that 'tnong'

[jade solstice]

I’m quite baffled here lol

[azure nimbus]

No. I've played sunlust normally but to be fair, I did uvmax it, so hypothetically that could've been just me not noticing. So I recorded a video with god mode on, careful to not kill viles and ignored most enemies and just ran through. It's pretty clearly buttons that are opening the doors. https://youtu.be/Wyl-Kfo35VA

[lapis wolf]

Wut?

[little oar]

Alright, hold on.
State in one sentence what the actual problem is

[twin mortar]

On an unrelated note; installing Quake II: Quad Damage. Got jumpscared by mid

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1263217840563949701/1274449648081305723/image.png?ex=66c24b3a&is=66c0f9ba&hm=da579e1f156123793088b79d139aedc865c97686ab820a41d868f1695fc1b472&

[little oar]

I think we're all getting on different pages now

[azure nimbus]

That harmony user usually just says nonsense. not really worth engaging

[little oar]

Peak jumpscare

[bright falcon]

Agreed

[jade solstice]

I played the Duke nukem 3D remake
Good times

[twin mortar]

Duke Nukem is meh imo

[little oar]

Who? Who is saying you don't have the "real" version, whatever that means

[modest galleon]

Doom doom ii are fakes version since doom plus doomii

[bright falcon]

What

[modest galleon]

And no patches to update them

[twin mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-typing-computer-cute-gif-17689613

[modest galleon]

Shotty slayer club Anniversary

[lapis wolf]

Encounter at 8:00 you can't progress until you kill everything as well as the Archviles:
https://youtu.be/fdLkhyW8IRU?si=x4h1Q3btBrbAoqyV

There's little walls/polls up the stairs that stay up if some things are alive

[modest galleon]

Why not just patch doom and doom ii

[little oar]

Define "fake". Last I checked they are official versions that are still very much playable

[bright falcon]

They did ?

[twin mortar]

How many times do we need to say this... it's an entirely new version...

[lapis wolf]

Also this vid only shows a black screen

[twin mortar]

Not on console, no

[modest galleon]

Its another game

[little oar]

Only on pc did it get patched, consoles have the game as a separate game. That's what he's talking about

[jade solstice]

(For free)

[azure nimbus]

ugh dsda 28 doesn't play nice with obs give me a minute to use 27

[modest galleon]

Money is not problem here

[twin mortar]

If you have really strict preferences for trophy hunting, don't call the game names over it

[modest galleon]

I was just awaiting lime online coop fkr doom and doom ii now thry are left behind

Really annoying

[jade solstice]

You CAN play online
I’m done engaging with this though lol

[little oar]

If you don't like that it's a separate download and you have 3 games for doom 1 + 2 on your ps menu, then fine. I can see how that'd be annoying.
Counterpoint: Delete the old ports that you already have the trophy completion for and just use the port that exists to declutter them

[lapis wolf]

And yes there's a button to lower the polls/bumps, but that button doesn't show up until you kill everything

[twin mortar]

5 here 🫡

[modest galleon]

You cant demete trophies

[little oar]

Anome you're built different so you aren't being used as the standard

[modest galleon]

So i wont het thr new one and suffer nightmare again

Thanx for uaeless update thos year

[twin mortar]

I have 3 Quake IIs 🫡

[lapis wolf]

And since Archviles got stuck in the walls for me, the button wouldn't show up :/

[twin mortar]

Actually, make that 6

Quake II OG Steam, Quake II OG GOG, Quake II remaster Steam, Quake II remaster GOG, Quake II RTX, Quake II Xbox

[little oar]

💢

You get the POINT

[modest galleon]

Its frustrating to say the leasf

[little oar]

You know, you don't have to use the new ports if you don't want them. Use the old unity ports and just...don't download the new game

[lapis wolf]

I believe the wall gets pushed in/smaller when you kill everything, creating/revealing a button to lower it.

[little oar]

Again, you are getting free easy trophies out of this. What is the issue. Why do you care about deleting trophies

[modest galleon]

What you mean

[little oar]

||By extension why do you care about trophies at all. I will never understand achievement hunters ngl||

[lapis wolf]

@azure nimbus

[twin mortar]

Also what do you mean by "suffer nightmare again"? Literally only one achievement in this version related to NM and it's for beating ONE level

[modest galleon]

The whole campaign in coop but its couch coop not mp aipported in the og

[vale gyro]

which by just doing E1M1 you can easily do in like 5 tries

[twin mortar]

Gonna have to agree to disagree. Achievement hunting is fun. I know people with strict preferences on them, or people who only buy games if the achievements are worth it. Though I will personally say that shitting on a game over YOUR strict achievement requirements is an L

[little oar]

I can understand going for trophies, I'll do so for games I really like. By "achievement hunters" I mainly mean people who buy games specifically to get the trophies from them and nothing else

[modest galleon]

Do you know how gard is Nm

Was expecting support

[bright falcon]

Yeah achivments are fun but they are extras

[modest galleon]

Ao nothong changed

[twin mortar]

Thongs change, old man

The future is now

[modest galleon]

Ah stop

[azure nimbus]

https://youtu.be/JG7JqoBo894 While I've played the map before normally. It was uvmax so hypothetically I wouldn't notice. But, ok I just did it twice without killing stuff and it's normal door triggers. While I wouldn't be surprised if KEX has some bugs, it's just not a kill trigger here. Maybe enemies get stuck on KEX idk. But that's not preventing a kill trigger

[modest galleon]

Doom Doom ii not even true versions anymore

Rodicous

[little oar]

Except they are?

[azure nimbus]

ok then play dosbox

[modest galleon]

Ridiculous

[little oar]

You can still play them just fine

[modest galleon]

Yah...

[median cloud]

Play chocolate doom then like me

[modest galleon]

And tru to finosb lvl 29 alone without saves

Without mp online suppirt

[azure nimbus]

bruh the "og" lmao. Your current port that you love was released decades after the "og". please. If you're a port purist, play dosbox

[modest galleon]

Too many version whats gonna be next modded to jell cause all of that

Really disapointed

Pc got it right tho

[little oar]

There are 2 versions sir

[modest galleon]

Now yea on console

Until tjeu patcj

[little oar]

If you like the old version more, then just stick with that one

[modest galleon]

Ill do both

[azure nimbus]

while there are many versions, you can play dosbox or vanilla compat on dsda/choco/crispy and your inputs will result in the exact same outcomes. There is a 100 % accurate way to play.

[little oar]

(He's on PS so pc isn't really an option)

[azure nimbus]

yeah it is. the game costs very little and runs on any laptop

[modest galleon]

Ay least if they would patcj the og

[lapis wolf]

There's a button that doesn't appear if you don't kill everyone in that encounter.

A certain wall is fatter, but then gets pushed in revealing a button to lower the polls once you kill them

[azure nimbus]

then how'd I beat the map?

[little oar]

Idk what to tell you at this point. Just stick with the one you like more and enjoy the free trophies you can get for getting another game for free

[azure nimbus]

hell, I can open the map in Ultimate Doom Builder and go through the triggers and show the arrows

[modest galleon]

Ty... Will be hard lvl 29 ichtmare without savea

[lapis wolf]

What the hell. The wall at 1:48 was much fatter to me, and didn't show a button.

Man KEX really is borked

[azure nimbus]

Sunlust was designed for boom 2.02. Idk what KEX is running.

it's cool how accessible kex is but ultimately, you have no guarentee that anything will run as it was designed for.

[twin mortar]

You literally do not have to do that though

[modest galleon]

I try to clear my backlogs

[azure nimbus]

It's really not that bad. ya go to map28 to horde ammo and get a BFG and health and you're good. There are a billion invulns and megas on 28.

[lapis wolf]

My theory is, the Archviles spawning in probably flattens the wall and reveals the button, and since the Archviles were stuck in the wall for me, the trigger didn't happen

[azure nimbus]

something seems to be happening. It's just not a kill trigger

[lapis wolf]

Yeah I think my theory above seems more likely

[azure nimbus]

Kill triggers are hardcoded into the engine and aren't placed into the map. Changing that either requires zdoom stuff or umapinfo which didn't even exist until 2017

[azure nimbus]

how'd I beat the map? I didn't kill viles

[lapis wolf]

You didn't read

[modest galleon]

Was happy with the news but a thirs game.. Whe. I saw that i wad like yeah too good to be true theu had to fuck up

Anywyad bye guys

[lapis wolf]

Spawning in =/= killing

[lapis wolf]

This doesn't say killing

[azure nimbus]

ok got it

about the spawns

[little oar]

It's not so much a "third game" as much as an update that's separate.
Think like how remasters work. The original game and the remaster are usually separate things. Just apply that but to DOOM 1/2

[azure nimbus]

I did read btw. I read every message you sent fully. I interpreted "theory above" as the earlier thing you'd said, re kill trigger.

[modest galleon]

If id new that i would never have bought doom and doom ii to suffer tthat much i. Tje trophies quite insulting

[lapis wolf]

Ah I see

[azure nimbus]

Even outside of this particular map, I did find https://doomwiki.org/wiki/UMAPINFO interesting.

[little oar]

Why? It's not like they dissappeared. You just got the "remaster" for free for having bought them.
And you even get to keep your trophies

[azure nimbus]

I feel fairly comfortable knowing what's possible with boom, but some mbf21 features surprise me. Even though I know what umapinfo can do (mostly dehacked map stuff and kill triggers), it's always cool when I see it

[modest galleon]

Yah true but it looks wierd on tropy list also and anyways ya if i finish doom ii i might not even download that upgread

[azure nimbus]

if the game is suffering for you, don't play it

I promise you that nobody will look at your trophy list

[modest galleon]

Enough have a goos slayer s club event mine sucked ass

[twin mortar]

There is no Slayers Club event but you too or something

[lapis wolf]

Wait are so many people complaining about the new port?

I don't mean the bugs and crashes, but like it's existence and naming?

It's the best way to play Classic DOOM on Consoles by far, even with its crashes and bugs

[vale gyro]

people really love having seperate games

I myself included, although I'm fine with the collection so I can just install everything I need if I ever need to

[lapis wolf]

Why? It's more convenient to be able to switch in the same product