classic-doom

[vast reef]

what theyre used for

[lost trout]

for a map like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=m5_jYeq2H7o you bet im save scumming.

[vast reef]

ive been thinking of using plates for holding food

[violet sundial]

I think I picked up the habit from RPGs

[cursive cipher]

if you have to leave for any reason you better have the game running on your calculator or smartwatch so you can keep up the action

[cursive cipher]

what

[violet sundial]

Oh I do

[cursive cipher]

does this imply you've been playing RPGs in single sittings

oh wait
no, backwards

short-term memory loss 😔

[violet sundial]

Anyway thanks for the input because it really do feel like cheating

Gonna just restart

[cursive cipher]

I've been enjoying my no-saves style but if I were to move on to harder maps I'd probably shift to a checkpoint system

maybe I get one blind run with my stuff from the last map and if I die then i do pistol start with saves

that could be fun

[violet sundial]

btw is there a consensus on how dark is too dark?

Doom II seems a lot darker than Doom lol

It seems like some areas the only light we're meant to have is the chaingun firing

[cosmic pagoda]

says it right up there before you type the final letter

[cosmic pagoda]

texture filtering 🤮

[vast reef]

3

[violet sundial]

so 1 is way too dark?

[cursive cipher]

I put mine at 5, idk if the numbers are universal tho

but if have to fire the chaingun to see where I'm going at all I'm turning that setting up
no thank you, i like to see

[toxic rune]

alright under classic DOOM do all 3 classic ones count? like DOOM 1 DOOM 2 and Final DOOM?
just wanting to make sure

[cursive cipher]

pretty much just anything on the original Doom engine I think

as far as this channel goes at least

64 would probably also be considered usually but it has its own channel here

[violet sundial]

I died first time in the pit

I blew up a rocket in my face while trying to kill a pain elemental

I did the same thing the next time except I had more HP

You'd think I would stop using rockets on pain elementals

Was trying to conserve ammo though

[hard tangle]

Yea Rockets are the worst when fighting Pain Elementals jsjsjs

[remote cedar]

Pain Elementals aren't even at their worst in Doom II

the Doom 64 Pain Elementals are so much worse

[void hemlock]

that's on you tbh

never do that, you know rockets have have a blast diameter

[void hemlock]

fun fact: you can get into a pain elementals face and chainsaw them to death

but to do that you need to be directly in front of them so you can spawn-frag the lost souls that it shoots

but then once it reaches it's death state, chaingun and RUN

[violet sundial]

I think they're pretty good since you can wipe two out at once lol

It just requires some extra care

I have 3 items left on Doom II M10 :(

[void hemlock]

likely because of the advancement of the id Tech 1 engine and with the game having it's own unique identity

[violet sundial]

Are these like some bugged/impossible items?

Is it something to do with this this blue light?

[void hemlock]

Map 10? Refueling base? Look back in the large dens area where you fought all of those zombiemen, shotgun guys and chaingunners if you can

there is some secret doors you may have missed

[violet sundial]

I found all the secrets

I killed all the enemies

Really wasn't as bad as the first time tbh, this map scared the hell out of me

Helps a bit that I didn't run out of ammo fighting revenants and arachnotrons

Ohhh it was the shotgun in the beginning

I saw the door on the map lol

Just under 1 hour ;~;

[violet sundial]

tbh I really like downtown it's terrifying

[hexed escarp]

i think the big problems with it are the confusing layout, as well as the sniping monsters that you cannot see or shoot because autoaim doesnt go that high

my favorite iwad city level is plutonia map29

[cursive cipher]

ngl, I enjoy the no-saves style, but no matter how calm and zen and willing to try again you are, it does remain pretty time-consuming lol

[cosmic pagoda]

Already exists

Nah

Doom infinite

[vast reef]

there is an entire subgenre of mods like this

complex doom and all of its offshoots

do your doom research :>

[supple sand]

how do i fix the bad_v_drawpatch error on dos
it mostly happens when i try to run doom 2

[vale gyro]

What port are you even running?

Also, what map are you trying to run under said port (if at all), and is it under DOSBOX or real hardware?

[supple sand]

its under dosbox

and just map01 to test

[vale gyro]

Still, are you running Boom, MBF, some random limit raising version of the engine, or just the original executables?

[supple sand]

og exes

[vale gyro]

Also from what I could understand from reading, it may be caused by something being rendered out of view (like a mouse with too high of sensitivity or a text screen being too long)

I genuinely can’t find much on it at the moment, you could also try a different DOSBOX version or a fork of it just to see if that fixes it

[supple sand]

alr

[vale gyro]

Ok, just found this in a GitHub issue that apparently does relate to the original executables

Apparently if the mouse sensitivity is set too high it can cause crashes

Look at that as well I suppose

[supple sand]

ill try to fix the mouse sensitivity sooner or later

[vale gyro]

It was an issue for Chocolate Doom, which carries almost all bugs from the original executables

[vast reef]

how was kdizd unsafe?

false positive i guess

[vale gyro]

yeah, 100% a false positive if he downloaded it from ModDB

Just a random tid-bit of info, Doom Launcher actually has a built-in frontend for the idgames archive iirc

I've actually found the built-in Addons menu in the Unity port more annoying to use just because of the fact you need a Bethesda account to even access it and the fact it constantly logs me out

fair enough, I've just been so used to hopping online, downloading the WAD I want, and shoving it into the terminal, and more recently into my Doom launcher

[lost trout]

wow.wad better than what i can make

[azure nimbus]

:( plut's city level is worse than sandy's

[violet sundial]

There I was, traveling through downtown, when a meatball snuck up on me from behind, hissed loudly, then bit me on the ass! City levels are horrible

[candid quail]

is tnt worth playing?

[remote cedar]

No

Unless you're a completionist there's simply no reason to play TNT

[candid quail]

kk

what about plutonia?

[remote cedar]

Plutonia isn't mandatory but it's definitely a good challenge

[lost trout]

plutonia preps you for hr and other harder mapsets

[cursive cipher]

This is a weird take

What does completions even mean? Beating every map in existence?

TNT is more levels. If you're into more Doom levels then it's worth a shot
Plus it has the neat history around it.

[remote cedar]

It means completing every map in every Doom game, simply enough

[lost trout]

do you mean IWADs or PWADs

[remote cedar]

I don't find TNT to be particularly fun to play, nor is it a good challenge like Plutonia

[remote cedar]

I'll be real idk the difference

[lost trout]

so an IWAD is sorta like an "official" DOOM wad. Doom, Doom 2, Final Doom are the IWADs. PWADs are basically fanmade maps. They require an IWAD to play and are loaded aside IWADs.

[remote cedar]

IWADs it is then

[lost trout]

IMO DOOM and Plutonia are the good IWADs in terms of maps. Plenty of good PWADs like Hell Revealed and Alien Vendetta.

I can vouch that Bridgeburner the mod here has made some spectacular maps. Far better than any IWAD map IMO - but also more recent.

[candid quail]

oh i didn't know that thanks

[finite crag]

Guys, just for research, do you play with item pick up messages on?

[remote cedar]

Yes

I see no reason to play without em

[finite crag]

I do it off for immersion, only on doom 64

[harsh moon]

I do because what if you're playing a wad and you pick up a new gun and you want to know what's called

[finite crag]

True

[harsh moon]

And besides what about the different gun design they can make the super shotgun look super futuristic in a wad and you won't know that it's a super shotgun until you pick it up

[finite crag]

Yeah

[harsh moon]

And besides I don't know how to turn them off

[finite crag]

XD

[cursive cipher]

this guy didn't read the doom manual earlier today

(i did)
(they mentioned how to turn them off but I already forgot the key)

[cosmic pagoda]

why would you have em off, they also tell you what key you need if you are trying to open a switch or a door that requires a key

[cursive cipher]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[cosmic pagoda]

those who are veterans play nightmare

or ultra hard pwads

[coarse cradle]

Or people who have mental issues

[cosmic pagoda]

you dont need silly twitch(🤮) streamer shenanigans such as no hud or blindfold to make doom hard, its got nightmare

go on play e1m3 on nightmare, I dare you

I doubt you finished e1m3

e1m1 and e1m2 are doable

e1m3 however...

UV and NM aint even comparable

im in the progress of doing nm100s, its very, very hard

e3m3 took me like almost 200 attempts

yeah you shouldnt compare yourself to others, my point was that you dont need silly things like blindfolds or no hud or whatever to make doom hard, it already has an almost impossible difficulty level built in

[azure nimbus]

@remote cedar This isn't the case. The distinction isn't about whether it's official or not. For example freedoom1.wad is an IWAD and NRFTL is a pwad. But freedoom isn't ID licensed whereas NRFTL is. The distinction is that an IWAD has all of the data necessary to be used in the game: levels, textures, sprites, music, sound effects, Whereas a PWAD cannot run on its own as it needs to be Patched onto an IWAD to run. This distinction is important for map makers because the source code(the logic and engine) for doom is free to use (which also means that derivatives like boom,mbf, mbf21, zdoom are fully legal) whereas the sprites and textures and the like are not free to use. So if you want to play a mod, the legal requirement is either a) using a free alternative for the visuals and audio like freedoom, OR purchasing doom2.wad for the textures and sprites.

You could, and many have, play every IWAD, within a couple hours even. Though playing every PWAD is just not feasible. There are thousands and thousands of custom maps that have been made

[azure nimbus]

I'm sure you'll get it(if you haven't already) the first time you get the soulsphere secret

[cosmic pagoda]

I mean john romero supposedly didnt when they implemented nightmare

[azure nimbus]

because he didn't try that much and...it's been 31 years

[violet sundial]

e1m3 is ridiculous on nightmare

It took me like 20 tries to get out of the first room, then I opened the door and instantly died to hitscanners

I think it's one of the hardest levels tho

If you can beat it you can beat the rest of e1 for sure

UV is a lot easier since watching decinos vid about how sound travels tho

[cursive cipher]

do you think Decino even sees the game when he plays or is it just like converted to code in his head

[finite crag]

Dude can probably write the game's entire code from memory

[sudden mica]

"You could, and many have, play every IWAD, within a couple hours even. Though playing every PWAD is just not feasible. There are thousands and thousands of custom maps that have been made"
is that a challenge?

[hexed escarp]

No

The main problem is not how many there are

It's more how many continue to be made

Even if you can tackle every single one made to this point, there would be hundreds more released since you started

[sudden mica]

I know, I was joking. Although I have played all the WADs on the DOOM Wiki, if that means anything. And I work with the DOOM WAD World youtube channel, which plays many more from the archives.

[lost trout]

ALL of them? so tell me about jumpmaze

.

[halcyon willow]

jumpmaze sure is a thing that exists

i've played 1 and 2 and yeah, never again lol

[halcyon willow]

on this note, someone did try to play every wad on id/games in chronological order. i'm not sure how far they got but that is a brave soul lol

[lost trout]

now theres jumpmaze x

[violet sundial]

I made it through gotcha

What an amazing idea for a level, just make the entire floor lava

[lost trout]

boiling blood

[void hemlock]

the duel was the best bit tho

I mean it kinda makes sense though, we're talking about entities from an entire dimension, practically aliens but it's the damned

does it really need to make sense? No, it's Doom

[opal falcon]

Some fictional media portrays the blood of demons as hot as fire or lava.

[void hemlock]

I do also question if in classic Doom lore if Revenants and Lost Souls are related in some way though, but that's just me

Classic Doom lore is highly unorganized, basic, and strange, while modern's is somehow well-written for the most part

[void hemlock]

that also makes sense considering imps and archviles

[opal falcon]

The main antagonist of my novels also has blood as hot as fire.

But while he's referred to as the red-eyed demon, he's an Earth creature.

[void hemlock]

Interesting, then for me I have an "alternate universe" Earth by a different name and where Hell is actually another planet and has a completely different color palette, and the demons server a functional purpose

I see we both have writing as our interests here

[opal falcon]

I had a scene where, after a crane falls and causes an explosion during the first battle against him, he jumps out of the river after being knocked into it for a quick second, impaling one of his soldiers just because, laughing maniacally, and exclaiming, "Welcome to Hell!"

[void hemlock]

I do have something for the third novel where the demons have set up an arena which I titled the "Pandemonium" (which I coincidentally have forgotten is a Doom map and didn't realize later) and it's basically kinda like the arena in Star Wars episode 2 in the Battle of Genosis

we're kinda getting offtopic here

[opal falcon]

Yeah.

[unreal pike]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvTJa7DPEj0 anyone know this? (Chinese warning)

[unreal pike]

and this https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_SvLXy74Jr4&pp=ygUOTWluZWNyYWZ0IGRvb20=

[hexed escarp]

Rip no height variation

Someone built a 3d accelerator with Redstone. Originally it was built to play a simplified version of minecraft

But at one point they were working on porting doom

That display method feels a little bit cheaty as well lol

Still very cool tho

[hexed escarp]

Well, the calculator one I wouldn't call doom either

That one has no height variation, barely any functionality, and one weapon

It's closer to wolf3d than doom

Just with doom graphics

Yeah

Having floors and ceilings at different heights like you can in doom allowing you to create pseudo 3d geometry instead of like wolf3d where all of the levels are completely flat and the same height everywhere

[ebon crane]

anyone else hate e3m6 and m5?

i never know what to do in m6 lmao and the giant damaging floor is a pain in the ass

m5 is just a pain due to the basically random teleporters

(obv not random but yknow)

yea.

alltough i probably mainly hate m5 due to the wad ive been constantly playing

[severe vector]

Who else aimed for the 100% completion

[azure nimbus]

Could be a good doomiversary challenge. This will be doom2's 30th anniversary in october

[cursive cipher]

finally beat TNT Central Processing

[outer radish]

is there a way to instantly restart a level on the unity port of doom

[vale gyro]

I don't think theres a way to instantly restart a level on any port of Doom

[lost trout]

im fighting a gatekeeper custom monster

[cursive cipher]

i know for a fact some can

[vale gyro]

Which ones? I'm curious

[cursive cipher]

idk but I saw Decino do it once

on Italo Doom i think, the platforming level

[vale gyro]

could just be a keybind

gotta look at the video, though

as I'm aware some ports allow you to restart a level with a keypress without needing to die

[azure nimbus]

nope

Official ports are cool for achievements, but otherwise, you're really better off trying something like DSDA.

[violet sundial]

Wow barrels of fun is some messed up stuff

[azure nimbus]

Barrels of Fun is p good.

[finite crag]

im pretty sure if there wasnt as many pain elementals in the first area itd be fine

[azure nimbus]

honestly it might be similar with how quickly they hit the 21 lost soul limit

like at a certain point, more PE's doesn't really matter in vanilla

[void hemlock]

you can legit just punch them to death at close range since you can spawn-frag their lost souls too

[finite crag]

but the lost souls count as projectils when the PE's spawn them, so if they hit a barrel, its like a domino effectg

[void hemlock]

PEs are one of the most weak demons if not the weakest because they legit don’t have an attack whatsoever

[finite crag]

but they're just as annoying

especially if a level pulls a john romero

[void hemlock]

I agree but also think of it this way

PEs themselves are not annoying, it’s their lost souls

[finite crag]

i mean, if id went with the blob on the wall idea i'td be worse

or if they had lost souls use hitscan

[void hemlock]

Plus there is also ways to make the lost souls hit the PE, so I don’t think it all really matters anyway

[void hemlock]

I see someone also looks into the cut content

[void hemlock]

NO

[finite crag]

wouldnt that be a hassle to deal with

[void hemlock]

No they would

[finite crag]

i may or may not had a hyperfixation on it at some point

[void hemlock]

You’re thinking the opposite way

If there was 3 in a room you’d be taking constant damage

[finite crag]

chain gunners but worse

[void hemlock]

Basically

I prefer the charge attack thanks

Because it also makes them goobers

[finite crag]

yes, atleast then you have a fighting chance

archviles on the other hand arent actually that bad once you know how to deal with em

i mean, sure, the fire wizardry is bs, but they're somewhat weak

[void hemlock]

I mean not to toot my own [demon] horns but I’m still working on the TCRF articles lol but anyways

[void hemlock]

Right

[finite crag]

over hyped in my opinion

but dude, basic zombies in large groupos can be devistating if your not skilled enough

[void hemlock]

The only time to be afraid is if there’s multiple of them spread out

Which then that DOES become a concern

[finite crag]

hmm yes, P A I N

john romero you trickster

[void hemlock]

MAP10 is a good example

That ONE room is RIDICULOUS

[finite crag]

isnt that refuelling base or is that a diff map

[void hemlock]

Yea that’s Refueling Base

Zombie hell

[finite crag]

yeah nah that map is literally "WHERES THE CLIP*

"I NEED A CLIP IM ALMOST OUT AHHH"

[void hemlock]

I’m so glad hitscan does not exist beyond Doom 64

[finite crag]

its a shame we havent gotten a proper horror styled doom like the og doom and doom 2 was tryna be

i think 64 was the closest we got to what id wanted (or atleast, what doom was classified back then)

[void hemlock]

And then they tried Doom 3, but IMO I got only scared once and it’s a very specific part of the game

[finite crag]

doom 3 tried to be too realistic

yes it adds to the horror, but it takes away some of doom's soul, yknow? plus it feels similair to games like cod, just the same bland twists an all

dont get me wrong, its a major step up for id in terms of advancing dooms engine

im pretty sure if they tried again now, they'd ahve a much better success rate, with better technology and all

[sinful relic]

doom 3 walked so doom 2016 could run

doom 2016 ran so doom eternal could go 80mph in a school zone

i like doom 2016 more

[violet sundial]

Wasn't doom 3 the flashlight game

Scared the hell out of me and so did 2016

Haven't played eternal tho

"coward plays doom on nightmare"

All doom games scare me tho bc I first played at age 3 lol

[coarse cradle]

Eternal wont be scaring you for shit its moreso on the beautiful and appealing side imo

[violet sundial]

Demons screeching is pretty scary to me

[coarse cradle]

Screech back at them

[violet sundial]

Oh I do

[cosmic pagoda]

tbf doom3 was quite spooky back in 2004

I remember the leaked alpha

before it came out, that was unheard of

[sudden mica]

I believe Decino uses the IDDT command to restart maps and pistol start maps. Sometimes, he also uses a useful keybind for rewinding on blind playthroughs that is built into DSDA (I think).

[cosmic pagoda]

you mean idclev

iddt shows map

[cosmic pagoda]

dsda has restart map bound to home key yes

very useful for some use such as doing nightmare runs and seeing that you are getting effed

[sudden mica]

whoops, didnt meant to say iddt lmao

[glossy lagoon]

I'm having a lot of difficulty with Go 2 It.

Natural, but after the momentum I briefly had when reaching there (Finally beating The Twilight, then Cyberden in one run, then reaching what I presume was the final significant encounter of Go 2 It - the section by the opening with a ton of Chaingunners?), it's definitely frustrating.

The third wave in the Courtyard is just painful; by the time I'm able to attack those Archviles from the balcony with more than one BFG shot, I get slammed with Revenant/Arachnotron attacks, and once I dodge those, half the planet has been resurrected and are now demonic shields for the Archviles.

I've got a loose strategy of using the eastern corridor as a way to stream Archviles and Revenants out, but it's difficult to build off of that without just getting trapped and blown apart, even with the spare Megasphere.

[azure nimbus]

it's ok to take it slowly. That's the safest way to do these old-style slaughter maps. I think of a map like this as a fortress. Different parts of the map defend other parts. Like the cyberdemon in the hallway defends the chaingunners. The mancs defend the pains. But you can choose to fight them slowly: attacking less defended forces to open up to attack the enemies that they defended

[vale gyro]

Woof or Crispy has something similar if I remember correctly as I remember getting mad as hell when I accidentally restarted a level right near the end of it

[haughty mortar]

is there a jaguar doom wad for gzdoom?

[cosmic pagoda]

probably

[haughty mortar]

[vale gyro]

there is in Woof. It is however, unset by default

[cosmic pagoda]

comes in very handy trying to do nm100s, its the only thing I play saveless, as a challenge, and record demos

but like if the e3m3 pinky wont cooperate at start you just hit it

[elfin rapids]

Hi there, I'm on an app project, and I'd like to use a texture of the arch-vil or a texture of the Hell knight, add an "Adjustable wrench" in his hand. Have I the right to do that? The app will be free & open source

[sick mist]

Thats still copyrighted content

[elfin rapids]

Ah OK, then I can't?

[sick mist]

Thats what that means

[elfin rapids]

OK, thanks for your answer

I will search another way

@sick mist I have the right to make a picture (not with using original files) that represent a mob of the game?

[vale gyro]

I'd say your best bet is to not make anything close to it as it might be possibly still considered copyright infringement

better to not take the risk

[elfin rapids]

OK

That's true

Thanks

[cursive cipher]

What is "doom cute"

[celest coyote]

It’s like doom, but you run toward it to look at the life-like shovel instead of running away from the revenant

[mellow matrix]

It's something we can't show you an example of because we can't post images. The boring text explanation is that it's sector art made to mimic real life objects. Things like office chairs, restaurants, and space ships you might see in a level are "DoomCute."

Doom Zero, Going Down, and Kama Sutra are some popular wads that contain lots of DoomCute

[celest coyote]

Kama Sutra sure is “cute”

[lost trout]

loved all those mwads

[lost trout]

i dont have the patience lol

[cosmic pagoda]

not being able to post images seems like a skill issue

[cosmic pagoda]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/634517968578936842/1229269253627314206/image.png?ex=662f1134&is=661c9c34&hm=6e25c2c292304f54d8e7778987873f28a02ff12a79b4ef2a9a9a765775bc290a&

this is doomcute

DoomCute - An adjective applied to real-life objects recreated in the Doom engine, usually in highly simplified form. A term invented by kmxexii.
from doomwiki

[cursive cipher]

I see

[candid quail]

i beat go2it yippee

[finite crag]

[glossy lagoon]

Yeah, that's good advice, thanks! Took a while to defeat the final three Cyberdemons, but I'd rather have done it in 50 minutes than lose 40 minutes in.

[candid quail]

ngl nothing in doom is as disturbing as this ->

[cosmic pagoda]

gj, its such a fun map

tbf it looks more difficult than it is

theres so many megaspheres, which makes it quite a bit easier

I mostly only die there to those 2 close range cybies if ever, when I take a faceroket

[candid quail]

I always ran out of ammo lmao

[cosmic pagoda]

probably should use more infighting

theres plenty opportunities for that, get em into a brawl and go to another part of the map, while they thin theirselves out

I usually try to get the outside large room cybies to kill the archies off too when they come

the cybies clear the whole room quite well

after that just cleanup with bfg

[neon condor]

[ebon crane]

mancubus balls

[violet sundial]

[hexed escarp]

what would be the best launcher to use with woof?

[cosmic pagoda]

batch files

altho they work quite well with crispy

augerzenith.bat

crispy-doom.exe -iwad DOOM2.wad -file ..\DBP37_AUGZEN.WAD

PL2.bat

crispy-doom.exe -iwad Plutonia.wad -file PL2.WAD

and so forth

especially nice for dumping videos tho

"F:\OneDrive\_DOOM\dsda\dsda-doom.exe" -iwad "F:/OneDrive/_DOOM/dsda/DOOM.WAD" -hud "F:\OneDrive\_DOOM\dsda\HUD.lmp" -geom 1920x1440w -timedemo "F:/OneDrive/_DOOM/demos/E3M3-NM100S-2m41s" -viddump "F:/OneDrive/_VIDEO/DOOM/E3M3-NM100S-2m41s.mkv" 

[hexed escarp]

ive just been manually typing commands into command prompt each time lol

[cosmic pagoda]

write it into a .bat file once

and execute that 😛

the simplest form of bat file just executes all the rows as console commands sequentially

much nicer to edit with text editor

[hexed escarp]

yeah ik

[cosmic pagoda]

unless you are on linux, then save it as .sh file and you have to also specify interpreter and allow exectution

[hexed escarp]

i know how batch files work, i just for some reason have never felt the need to create them for doom

[cosmic pagoda]

oh, its super convenient

[hexed escarp]

woof is very similar to crispy

its made by the same guy. its basically crispy but based on the mbf source code instead of vanilla so its able to run boom/mbf maps

[noble brook]

[finite crag]

God bless this guy who made tricks and traps

Best map ever

[finite crag]

Facts

When I was 6 years old and the only gamea I knew were serious sam, nfsmw and doom 2 for me it was the best map. Now Im 16, played more than 400 maps and still tricks and traps is the best for me

Better if I express my thoughts of this map on my native language

[vale gyro]

I did that all the way up to recently when I started using my own Doom launcher just to make it a bit easier to create presets and to quickly test maps I personally work on

[hexed escarp]

Oh you made one yourself?

[vale gyro]

Yeah, not out of dislike of ZDL or DL, though

More of a want to have a project I would use on a daily basis and to be able to expand when needed

[hexed escarp]

How hard is it to do? I’ve considered writing my own before

[vale gyro]

Depends on the language/framework

C#, .NET 6, and WinForms have made it kinda a headache at times but overall it isn’t too bad

[vale gyro]

Like that time when I thought it’d be funny to add Discord RPC into the launcher

[hexed escarp]

I’ve done a lot of programming, but very very little interface design

Not a huge fan

[vale gyro]

Same honestly

Would’ve done WPF but well, I can’t wrap my head around MVVM and would rather just have stuff work

[hexed escarp]

What framework would make it least painful. The languages I know are java, c#, python, and c++

[vale gyro]

I really only know how painful WinForms can be at times

So I wouldn’t be able to tell you

Though, Python does have a function that can call shell commands which would be a major help when it comes to actually starting the port

[hexed escarp]

I would assume most languages do

[vale gyro]

C# doesn’t really have one

[hexed escarp]

Huh

[vale gyro]

It has the Process class, but it’s slightly more confusing than just shoving in the command you wish to run into a function

Not by much, but still somewhat

Best I can tell you is to look into it yourself and decide what’d be best

[hexed escarp]

I mostly just need to figure out what to use for ui since I haven’t really done that before

Or I have a little bit

But not much

[vale gyro]

Mind you I’m the farthest thing from an experienced programmer

Most of my code is held together by what I’d assume is duct tape

It’s just a mere hobby

But I say something within .NET may help a bit if you use Visual Studio and not some other editor like VSC

Just because there’s a built-in designer

[hexed escarp]

Same

[hexed escarp]

im playing heartland rn for the first time, and im having a blast, but the one thing that bugs me is i cannot for the life of me figure out how to deal with suicide bombers without using a million rockets

[azure nimbus]

even though they are small, they're high priority. Heartland is about the rockets

[hexed escarp]

I wish we would see more stuff for the eternity engine

The super vertical maps are really awesome and not something you see often even in gzdoom because I’d assume 3d floors become a pain to work with when you have many many floors and lots of detailing on them, and its portals aren’t nearly as seamless

Also the portals on polyobjects allowing for the complex moving set pieces are insanely awesome as well

[violet sundial]

I beat the icon of sin

I also died in the explosion

I was trying to rush for the berserk pack but I died

Luckily I won anyway

One attempt it just immediately spawned multiple pain elementals and the whole map instantly filled with lost souls

[vale gyro]

RIP

[finite crag]

F

[violet sundial]

Extremely annoying boss

[cosmic pagoda]

sandy

its a nice map

sandy has better maps tho

especially in doom1

ha this suddenly reminded me a vid by sandy where he let his granddaughter play tricks and traps

lemme find

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NbiI7RKGxM

here we go

sandys better maps are in doom 1, but then again most of the better maps are

e2m6 my fave doom1 map was also sandy

@azure nimbus ever completed TNT with solonet?

thinkin of map28

where according to decino at least theres a million archviles on mp

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/634517968578936842/1229602276964831252/dsda-doom_0.27.5_2024-04-16_04-18-47.mp4?ex=6630475b&is=661dd25b&hm=73e59d7b6d03558cdbde9d3da9935bc79358d988ebd5b2aff95c568c0fe43d74&

oh just checked, yeah it is so lol

damn milo 😄

[vagrant lintel]

i love classic doom so gd much

[violet sundial]

Barrels of fun/the chasm?

[cosmic pagoda]

nah, the pit, spirit world, suburbs, which are the better ones in doom 2, however his best work is in the first one

halls of the damned, deimos lab, mt erebus, etc

[ebon crane]

guys

opinion on e3m5

[violet sundial]

Ok halls of the damned is really good

tbf I enjoyed Downtown so

it's uniquely terrifying since I live downtown lol

[ebon crane]

mainly yep

[ebon crane]

i- really?

[cosmic pagoda]

best bobby prince tune too it has

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7MGbUYslrU

[violet sundial]

Yes plus there's a lot of buildings to explore, way better than the factory

[ebon crane]

yeah factory sucks,
i just ment like, it scares you?

[violet sundial]

Oh yes lol

I was walking around exploring and a caco just came up and bit me on the arse

Mostly all of doom scares me tho

[ebon crane]

lol

i love the tomatoes :3

[ebon crane]

i dont really get it tho- i mean.. its just some low quality textures .w.

[violet sundial]

it's more about the atmosphere

[hexed escarp]

When you beat a level, what does the shown time convey

The sum of all of your successful segments?

The total time of this session

Or the total time of all sessions

[stark acorn]

this

im pretty sure decino did a video on that

[median cloud]

It's funny to see people like e2m6 because I absolutely hate that map, guess because I didnt like the labyrinthy feel and gave me some feeling of dread

Which maybe is why others like it so much

[violet sundial]

Oh it was so horrible the first time

[cosmic pagoda]

oh yeah that map is all about atmosphere

the dread is what makes it especially nice, you are correct

[ebon crane]

i dont remember any of the e2 maps

[hexed escarp]

Holy crap heartland map06 was SO GOOD

[noble brook]

I hate chain gunners

[azure nimbus]

no

[noble brook]

They're so damn annoying....
And at the same time... It feels good killing them

[tidal jetty]

live chain gunner reaction when super shotgun

from most ranges that you're at it's the best way to kill them

[cosmic pagoda]

not really

well it is, but when theres only one

for multiple hitscanners chaingun is usually the better options, because youll get perforated while you reload the ssg

[azure nimbus]

plasma idk. Maybe for big groups. Though with the projectile travel time, sometimes it results in tanking a bit of damage

[violet sundial]

A well aimed shotgun kills chaingunners just as well as the ssg

[finite crag]

If i was going to attempt the e1m1 speedrun is there a minimum difficulty for it to be recognized?

[lost trout]

anyone know of any IoS maps not in megawads? its raining and i feel like napping to the fear of telefrag. lol

[lost trout]

theres several options you can choose but UV is the standard

[ebon crane]

everyone does

[hushed loom]

Random question but I can’t find an answer on google. How the hell did doom 2 release so quickly? They had a small team and released doom 1 it says in December of 93 but then in may of 94 released doom 2 that’s barely 5 months later

[ebon crane]

no playtesting <3

[hexed escarp]

It was built off of doom 1 so it only required some minor extra code to add the attacks of the new monsters and some extra actions, and reused most of the doom 1 textures so they didn't need to make that many textures, and then they just made Sandy Peterson grind half of the levels

[azure nimbus]

not guarenteed

chaingunner has 70 health. Shotgun does 5,10, or 15 damage with each of its 7 pellets. So you need at least an average shot to kill them even with a full 7 pellets. This means that your probability of OTKing them is at most 1/2. But in reality, you probably aren't hitting every pellet so the real probability is less

[finite crag]

Is there a wad of like 50-80 short maps to turn of my brain and just shoot demons?

Ive found dump 3

[azure nimbus]

junk food 1,2,3

[quiet hornet]

maps that make old bfg viable?

[hexed escarp]

Someone should try playing sunlust or sunder or smthn with old bfg enabled lmao

[cursive cipher]

curious, is it possible to load custom pwads on the unity port?

[cursive cipher]

aren't megawads just pwads with a lot of levels? why them specifically?

[primal rune]

[ebon crane]

hey thats not doom 1 and 2!

[ebon crane]

yeah megawads are sorta whole games sometimes, also what does the p stand for in pwad .w.

if its just one level is it wrong to just call it a wad

[cursive cipher]

pwad is to distinguish from iwad, the latter being the complete data for the game (Doom 1, Doom 2) and the former being a "patch" wad which just adds or overwrites the info on the iwad
it's why you need both an iwad and a pwad to load any custom stuff

[ebon crane]

uh..

so like, i make one map, thats.. both a pwad and an iwad?

[hidden pier]

how hard should i be looking for secrets on a first playthrough lol

[ebon crane]

they dont really matter, if the levels hard sure

if you want to go for them, sure

[hidden pier]

i think ive spent like an hour over my 5 "first" playthrough spmming the interact button on walls

i keep just restarting the first 3 levls or sso over and over again lol

[ebon crane]

damn

[hardy lintel]

haaay i started modding doom for the first time and i paired voxeldoom with led's generic weapons, and for some reason the assault rifle, pistol and minigun have infinite ammo despite looking through all the settings and turning off everything that's relevant. The HUD doesn't list bullets for one, and i can just keep shooting forever

anyone got an idea what might be the issue?

[ebon crane]

for the hud, just use a diff hud (in settings obv)
not sure about the ammo

[vale gyro]

Nope

[ebon crane]

.w.

[celest coyote]

Iwads are the backbone of what Doom experience you want (Integral WAD)

Pwads (Player-WAD) are the add-ons/expansions that goes beyond the integral Doom 2 experience (the IWAD of Doom 2) and enhances it in some way (different levels, sounds, textures, etc)

Iwads: Doom, Doom 2, Plutonia - Integral standalone Doom content

Pwads: Brutal Doom, Amogus.pk3, Hell Revealed - Player Created Content that uses an IWAD as its springboard

I hope that clears up some confusion

[void hemlock]

IWADs for more clarification: Those WADS you see at the start of booting a WAD with GZDoom? Those are all IWADs

They ask which one to boot with because all of the IWADs are different. Yes, even TNT and Plutonia are different because they have id Tech 1 engine changes.

IWADs provide the engine, while PWADs have other content inside to add onto the main engine (or just resource changes like PK’s Doom HQ SFX pack)

[vale gyro]

I’d say more the foundation than the engine

[ebon crane]

allright

[void hemlock]

well you get what I mean

to put it simply, you need the IWAD to run the PWAD

[violet sundial]

Nice I finished dead simple without using save function at all

[violet sundial]

I died during tricks and traps

[azure nimbus]

IWADS don't have the engine. The engine is the physics and numbers. IWADS have assets like sprites and textures. While pwads may have assets too, IWADS have the base ones required to modify

[boreal laurel]

DOOM 1 is the real wolfenstien 3d 2

[cursive cipher]

PWAD stands for "patch WAD" iirc, not "player"

[lost trout]

so i played some Armadosia Map30 and tried to turn the Icon Of Sin into a horror versus a boss

[celest coyote]

it's the nickname I've always used, but you're probably right

[rocky hatch]

Yea, I'm pretty sure it's internal and patch wad

The only difference is that the doom engine cares about pwads more lol

[hexed escarp]

And pwads do not need to include all required game content, whereas Iwads do

[rocky hatch]

Yea

You can have a pwad function as an iwad, but not really the other way around

[quick marsh]

Anywhere i can promote my Doom mod?

I'm new to this whole thing xd

[fair thicket]

yall

[pliant terrace]

wenwave

hello doom people, I'm currently doing a project I'd like to turn into a youtube video series doing an analysis of all the demons from doom - including their game design, appearances including speculative biology and their cultural significance

unfortunately I was born after the releasees of doom 1-3 and was curious if people would be willing to answer a survey about their memories of each demon type from the original games. I'm currently doing my "research" and am half way through Doom II, but would like to get the insight of people who actually played those games when they were released to see what they think - without the biases that I've developed growing up with games that have better graphics and with the soft-rebooted designs of 2016 and eternal in my mind

I haven't made it yet but I wondered if peope would be willing to help me out and do such a survey some time in the future?

[void hemlock]

Seems pretty cool

[coarse cradle]

I dont know much, but decino has some good vids on info. Check him out

[pliant terrace]

ye I've watched him a lot already

[coarse cradle]

There are also origin vids on demons

[digital grail]

Hi. What the pentagram power-up do on Doom (1993)? A pinky drop that item. Also, I'm playing using GZDoom launcher

[vale gyro]

what mods are you using?

[digital grail]

Brutal Doom

[vale gyro]

I don’t remember the pinky dropping anything even in Brutal Doom

[digital grail]

idk if it's the pinky since there's a lot of enemies, but I grab a powerup than looks like a pentagram. Says Rip and tear on the top left side of the screen

[vale gyro]

I’ll take a look at it at some point

[pliant terrace]

hey, weird question, anyone know a good place I can find the original doom novels?

found the first on the internet archive but for the rest I can only find overpriced listings on ebay and ebook websites which I'm not sure if they'll let me print the entire thing

[coarse cradle]

Annas archive is a lil book website. Youre gonna need smth like librera to read the stuff you download tho

[digital grail]

not comes on PDF or epub?

[coarse cradle]

They give you options

[digital grail]

nice

so i not need librera for open PDF

[pliant terrace]

oh sick, I've been scouring the website for a website exactly like this, found them super quick

thanks man

[coarse cradle]

Yeah, its a great website. Love the guy who introduced me to it

[pliant terrace]

god damn they even have the novelisation of the first doom movie

hollow~1

[void hemlock]

I’m going to guess that’s related in invulnerability considering Quake 1 does have a pentagram powerup that gives the aforementioned effect

Also, yes that’s definitely a modded thing

[vale gyro]

I don’t even think that’s in pure Brutal Doom

[void hemlock]

Site noted for me. Also, if it’s a PDF format, your web browser can read it

[pliant terrace]

woah and they have the artbooks too

devilo

excellent

[hushed loom]

You guys try prodeus or boltgun at all?

[azure nimbus]

Newer games don't necessarily have "better graphics." More pixels doesn't equal better graphics

[pliant terrace]

modern graphics then

I agree the original doom sprites are very well made, they still hold up today

I just meant I wanted the perspective of people who experienced those older graphics first

[hushed loom]

Was born in 94 and didn’t start gaming until around 2004ish what 90s games should I try? I just beat doom 93 and am gana start doom 2 next

[glad brook]

myhouse.wad or rootpain

also wolfenstein x

[hidden pier]

i mean myhouse.wad is a doom 2 mod

[glad brook]

I mean, they said they were gonna start doom 2 next, and there isn't really a doom two channel

[hidden pier]

they were asking for 90s games i mean

[glad brook]

when was doom 2 released?

it was released 1994, its a 90s game

[hidden pier]

they were already going to play doom 2 lmao

[glad brook]

I know lol

Myhouse.wad isn't its own game, its a hack

[hidden pier]

they did say they were looking for full games lol

[glad brook]

Fair

[hard oracle]

Hi, just get myself a copy of classic Doom, was wondering how can I properly prepare my game like how do I record demos and maybe some other staff. Maybe there is a guide somewhere?

[azure nimbus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJQenx0hIPY&t=195s

[hard oracle]

Thanks

[vale gyro]

Myhouse.wad is not a hack like other PWADs, it merely uses an advanced version of the iDTech1 engine and some cool mapping tricks that defy what usually is done and seen in normal doom maps (like the doors)

[supple sand]

guys whats that one doom 2 track called that goes

bweeem bwoop pepepepe
beeeem bwoom pepepepe

[hard oracle]

anybody know whether it is The Ultimate Doom on Steam?

[vale gyro]

That’s Doom 1993, actually

Weird, I know

They did renaming of their store. Renamed UDoom to Doom (1993) but with UDoom’s release date

It does have the 4th episode

[hard oracle]

oh, okay, i saw it said in the description that The Ultimate Doom is included, but thought that this is strange it doesn't say "The ultimate" on titlescreen

thanks for explanation

[vale gyro]

The Unity port excludes it

If you throw the IWAD into any other port it’ll include it on the title screen

[hard oracle]

🧐

understood

[ebon crane]

how do i play plutonia and tnt without it being the original version?

[remote cedar]

What do you mean?

[vale gyro]

As StOil just asked, what do you mean by “without being the original version?

Only repeating this for the reply ping so you’re aware of it

[violet sundial]

It's Doom (map 5/13) isn't it?

[ebon crane]

so im not working with like 480p quality and dos box stuff

[ebon crane]

thanks lol

[supple sand]

no nvm

i just realized its doom 93 that has that track

[remote cedar]

You don't have to use dosboc

You could just pick up a sourceport

If you want an experience as close to DOS as possible, I recommend getting Chocolate Doom

If you want a faithful experience with quality of life features, you can get DSDA-DOOM

And if you just want something that just feels comfortable to play there's always GZDoom

[ebon crane]

and how do i play it on gz?

[remote cedar]

You just launch GZDoom and it should automatically find your Steam purchase of the game, giving you a context menu to choose the game you want to play

Otherwise if it can't find it you can always drag and drop the WAD file of the game you want to play onto GZDoom

[ebon crane]

kk

the PLUTONIA.WAD, yea?

[remote cedar]

Yes

[ebon crane]

kk

[violet sundial]

Which track is it lol

Trying to identify a track via onomatopoeia is funny

[supple sand]

the one that plays in the map with an computer maze

[grand tartan]

e1m2's medi is the "imps songs"

[supple sand]

o

ty

[misty ferry]

is there not a pc version of questzdoom?

[vale gyro]

I think it’s under a different name for PCs

[glossy lagoon]

Bye, Bye American Pie?

[void hemlock]

more like Them Bones

[misty ferry]

i'd imagine. was just wondering if i could play doom without having to sideload my quest.

[vale gyro]

I think it’s GZDoomVR

[misty ferry]

thanks

can i play mods in it?

[vale gyro]

Well, I’d assume so

[misty ferry]

sounds about right

[hexed escarp]

where can i get a throw sound for an enemy throwing a grenade

[azure nimbus]

Could reuse the Rev punch whoosh

[hexed escarp]

ooh yeah

[void hemlock]

I mean that's what GZDoom is for, playing mods

One of my friends played Brutal Doom on QuestZDoom before, so I don't think it would be any different for other VR source ports

[hexed escarp]

if anyone is familiar with mbf21 dehacked, im struggling with something

im trying to make an enemy that throws grenades

but when I call A_MonsterProjectile with a projectile that does not have the MISSILE flag, but the BOUNCY flag instead, it just drops straight down instead of going at the player

i could use A_SpawnObject instead and give it forward velocity

[hushed loom]

2 questions, how do I learn how to make mods and is it possible on a Mac

[hexed escarp]

but then it wouldnt be able to throw them at you if you are at a different height than them

[hexed escarp]

what type of mods? Gameplay mods that change the monsters and weapons? Custom maps? Both? And for what source port?

[hushed loom]

I honestly have no idea, my 8 year old son and I have been playing doom 1993 on our Xbox and we were watching YouTube videos on mods and he’s very interested in trying it himself. I have no idea how difficult it is or if it’s even possible for a kid. If not I want to try and help can watch

[hexed escarp]

ah fun

well yes, you can create doom mods on mac, however you would not be able to play them on your xbox

but you could if you got doom on your mac or a pc

there are two main types of mods

gameplay mods, which add and change the enemies and weapons of the game

and there are maps, which are custom environments for you to play in

instead of the default levels

i will say, if you want to get doom on your computer, you should get doom 2 because it is much more versatile for modding since it has more enemies

and the majority of mods and maps are made for it

if you are interested in gameplay mods, look up a tutorial for ZScript online, it is a primitive programming language that is used get edit the monsters and weapons of the game

[vale gyro]

Just adding onto Enator’s second message here. You could either run a Windows VM (if that’s even still possible with Apple’s new Mx APUs) or use mapping/modding tools made for Mac. Though I can’t tell you how good those said tools are

[hexed escarp]

if you are interested in maps, look up a tutorial for the slade map editor

[hushed loom]

The whole concept seems insane to me lol when people replace weapon designs or characters are they like drawing these and putting them in the game ?

[hexed escarp]

they are creating them in some form of image editing software like photoshop

either drawing them from scratch or editing existing sprites

and then writing code for them using either the ZScript coding language or something else

[hushed loom]

Ok thank you very much I’ll check that out first, I gotta figure out how to first get doom playable and we can play through some mods

[hexed escarp]

You are going to want to install the GZDoom source port (a source port is a modification of doom's code which was released to the public)

and then you want to buy Doom 2 on steam or gog (two game selling platforms)

and then when you run gzdoom, it should detect the installed game on your computer

and it will let you play with mods

[vale gyro]

iirc GZDoom has issues finding the IWAD on Mac

[hexed escarp]

ah

[hushed loom]

Ah ok I did download that gzdoom but didn’t know how to get it to run my dumb self didn’t buy it yet from steam

[vale gyro]

You need to do some specific stuff with Macs

[hexed escarp]

in that case, once you install the game from steam, you need to go into your steam files and find the file called doom2.wad and move it to your gzdoom folder

[hushed loom]

Ok

Thank you guys

[vale gyro]

Ok, looked it up

At least on M1 Macs, you need to put the IWAD in the Application Support folder

GZDoom should just scream out an error message telling you where to put it when you first run it, though

[hushed loom]

That’s what I have an M1 just never tried to game on it only used it for work. Maybe I’ll get a pc some time in the future

[hexed escarp]

you can doom alright on mac

although with pc you can use ultimate doom builder which is by far the best level editor

i dont know if you are interested in making maps or just gameplay mods, but look into udb if you are

[vale gyro]

Maybe you could compile it???

I know it’s source is up

God knows if you can actually compile it to Macs

[hexed escarp]

yeah but thats a much more difficult project lol

[hushed loom]

Eventually I definitely want to learn maps and gameplay but I’ll start slow

[vale gyro]

In short, map making is drawing lines

[hexed escarp]

worst case scenario, you could run it in wine or another windows virtual machines

[vale gyro]

At its most basic form

[hushed loom]

So when you load up gzdoom are all the mods there to try or how to you find them?

[hexed escarp]

you download them online

[vale gyro]

There’d still be issues with the actual processing unit

[hexed escarp]

im not sure the exact process of loading them though

[vale gyro]

M1’s are inherently ARM

[hexed escarp]

yeah thats true

[vale gyro]

You can’t run x86 on ARM

Not even x86 VMs

[hexed escarp]

wait so are there even winddows vms for m1 mac?

[vale gyro]

11 does have an ARM version

[hexed escarp]

ah

[hushed loom]

You guys are speaking a different language lol

[hexed escarp]

lol nothing you have to worry about atm

[vale gyro]

Don’t mind our alien languages my good sir

[hexed escarp]

we werent saying anything about you

[hushed loom]

lol I know

[vale gyro]

I know

No what- I’m just gonna shut up before i get confused

I don’t even know who’s talking to who at this point lol

[hexed escarp]

i was trying to make a joke

like, we were speaking another language, so i was reassuring them that we werent talking about them behind their back

[hushed loom]

I gotta learn more about this stuff, you guys goto school or just learn by doing?

[hexed escarp]

badd joke

[hexed escarp]

well, there isnt really doom school lmao

unless you are talking about computer stuff in general

[hushed loom]

No I just mean more about computers and stuff

[hexed escarp]

in which case i have taught myself pretty much all of what i know

but i will be studying computer science in college starting next year so i will learn more there

[vale gyro]

Personally I’ve spent my life bashing my head into my keyboard to learn what I did

[hushed loom]

That’s awesome, yea I’m 30 but growing up we only had consoles I never really messed with any computers

[vale gyro]

Doom sourceports actually taught me the command line

That or batch scripting

Or both, I don’t know

Off-topic anyways

[hexed escarp]

do you happen to do any mbf21 stuff?

[vale gyro]

I already saw your message in the other channel

[hexed escarp]

ah ye ah

[vale gyro]

And no, sadly not

[hexed escarp]

ah ok

there is very little documentation, so i have been digging through the woof source code to try to figure out how the fuck things work

[vale gyro]

I’m more into the occasional dip with standard dehacking

[vale gyro]

I could try to find some

Think kraflab has a repo for MBF21

[hexed escarp]

no ive been referencing that

[vale gyro]

Oh

[hexed escarp]

but it has like a 1 sentence summary of each codepointer

and then details about the args

im trying to figure out the specific behaviors

[vale gyro]

MBF21 dehacking stuff, right?

[hexed escarp]

yeah

[vale gyro]

I might look into it if I ever get the urge to, then

[hexed escarp]

in terms of mapping, boom, mbf, and mbf21 are nearly the same, just with a couple extra specials andd stuff

mbf and mbf21 just add a ton of new codepointers and stuff

[vale gyro]

Though

[hexed escarp]

and if you are using mbf21 in conjunction with dehextra (which is supported by all of the same ports) you get a ton of blank states and things to play with

[vale gyro]

I think there was this MBF or Boom example for a grenade launcher for the player

You could maybe reference that?

[hexed escarp]

yeah ive been looking at that too

[vale gyro]

Welp, I got no more ideas, then

[hexed escarp]

the problem is that just edits rockets andd calls the default player rocket shoot codepointer

which seems to propel the entity despite it not being a missile

whereas A_MonsterProjectile does not for some reason

[vale gyro]

Wait

Actually, nevermind

[hexed escarp]

the thing that mbf21 does is it adds codepointers that have arguments

[vale gyro]

Was gonna mention using the attack from the cyber but that’s just gonna edit the player missies, too

[hexed escarp]

and the cyberdemon lol

[hexed escarp]

so instead of having all of these fixed functions like A_CyberAttack and A_SpidAttack, you get A_MonsterProjectile with arguments for what projectile thing its firing and angle and position offsets

but im trying to figure out why it doesnt propel the grenades while the fixed player codepointer does

when they should just be calling the same P_SpawnMissile function just with different parameters

[vale gyro]

Off topic but I did find this absurd variable name in Crispy Doom’s automap code for a vanilla line drawer

Was thinking on trying to port Crispy’s flashing keyed doors into Chocolate as a weekend project I could attempt and stumbled into that

[hexed escarp]

what is the variable name?

[vale gyro]

It was quite literally labeled “f**k” (albeit not censored)

It said it was using bresenham's line algorithm, so I’d assume the variable was for the error correction or whatever it was called

Just found it funny that it was just called that for no reason

[hexed escarp]

lol

[vale gyro]

Reminds me of how I name my test variables random objects I think of

[hexed escarp]

is that from crispy doom or from the original source

[vale gyro]

Crispy Doom it’s self from what I could understand

It was labeled as an addition from crispy

[hexed escarp]

ah

that reminded me of something funny

you know the fast inverse square root code in quake 3?

[vale gyro]

Oh yeah

Those comments are kinda funny

[hexed escarp]

im not even talking about the comments

i love how he makes the variable threehalfs to store the constant 1.5, but then just plops the 0x5f3759df right in the middle of the code

[vale gyro]

lol

Anyways, I still can’t understand how including .NET made my Doom launcher 132MB

[hexed escarp]

lol

[vale gyro]

That was a 131MB increase to not including it within the binary

[hexed escarp]

heh

[vale gyro]

Also, how to get myself to start playing TNT again?

I found it fun, I just haven’t touched it in a bit

Mind you, I haven’t finished it yet

[hexed escarp]

what

oh i read that with the wrong inflection

[vale gyro]

Anyways, probably gonna go ahead and play TNT

[hexed escarp]

wait

i just had an idea for the dumbest solution of all time

mbf21 has a codepointer for adding or removing thing flags

so what if i just had the grenade be a missile for 1 tick

and then remove it

[vale gyro]

That might actually work

If you’re going for a grenade launcher, though

You could make it go longer than one tick

[hexed escarp]

nah its just an enemy chucking grenades

i found sprites for a chaingunner with no chaingun that just goes and punches you

so i recolored it, and used the punch sprites as throwing

[vale gyro]

You making a map or something?

[hexed escarp]

im messing with making custom enemies and il probably try to make a map with them when im done

just having some fun with decohack

[vale gyro]

Because honestly

The grenade guy could work as a sorta weaker pain elemental when it comes to constricting areas

[hexed escarp]

yeah

the other things ive added are a winged imp

to act as a weaker cacodemon, since ive found when mapping sometimes that il want enemies to be flying over an encounter, but cacos just have so much health

also i added a plasma gun zombie which i called the former commando

that runs around and fires burst of plasma

kinda like the evil marines from scythe 2 but less obnoxiously fast

[vale gyro]

Give the pinkies shoulder mounted cannons

[hexed escarp]

im not editing existing enemies

[vale gyro]

Oh yeah, make the map fast monsters only

[hexed escarp]

im adding custom new ones

to use along side the existing roster

[vale gyro]

I know, I’m just being weird

But, seriously. A fast pinky that could also do ranged attacks like a cyber would be horrible

[hexed escarp]

yeah

also this was more of a test than anything, but you know how plutonia sometimes had those setups to have an archie resurrecting a chaingunner?

[vale gyro]

Only heard about it

[hexed escarp]

well i made a helper thing that is just invisible and you can put wherever and it will just endlessly resurrect any monsters that die on it

so you could do that more easily

[vale gyro]

You’re evil

[hexed escarp]

idk if il actually use it anywhere

i was kinda just messing around

[vale gyro]

Though

You could make rooms marked by Sigil eyes that are indicators of respawning enemies

If you do make a map, that is

Ok, I just got an idea how to replicate buff totems sort of now

Take a Sigil eye switch that turns on crushers that crush hidden archviles

[hexed escarp]

hmmm

removing the flag does not seem to have worked

it just continues to be a missile

thats annoying

whats the point of remove flags if it doesnt actually affect anything

maybe it only works with certain flags

ok im confused now

i found the code that sets the momentum of the missile

but im really confused why it doesnt work for the grenade

but does work when its a player codepointer

WHY IS THIS GAME SO JANK

[hushed loom]

It’s insane to me that a small team made doom 1 and 2 in like a year but then took so long for a proper sequel. Why didn’t doom 3 come out a few years later at least be like 2 but 3d with jumping and ability to look up and down

[hexed escarp]

the game you are talking about is quake

after doom 2, they made quake

which has jumping, the ability to look up and down, and 3d geometry

then after that they made quake 2, then they decided to return to the doom series and make doom 3

thus why doom 3 is so wildly different

[hushed loom]

Ah makes sense didn’t know they made that as well. Well damn doom wolfenstien and quake are all wildly popular

[hexed escarp]

yep

id was pretty cool back then

[hushed loom]

Quakes and amazing arena shooter I used to play a little but enjoyed halo more

[lost trout]

thats not entirely accurate. quake iii arena came out before doom 3.

[hexed escarp]

Right, forgot about that one

[lost trout]

ahahaha im old enough to remember that game lol

[finite crag]

Quake 3 doomguys model is so good

[misty ferry]

Am i able to get other weapon packs for gzdoom vr like they have in questzdoom?

[misty ferry]

Me too

[azure nimbus]

His name is Quake "Guy" Arena the Third

[potent comet]

was going through this channel's old mesages for level recommendations and came across something called doomcute. wtf is that?

[azure nimbus]

Doomcute isn't a particular wad(or maybe it is but it's also a type of thing). Doomcute is using doom's level editor to make realworld stuff like desks or vending machines. It was first popularized in doomcity in the 90s. Also, more contemporarily, it's found all over cyriak's stuff like going down

[potent comet]

so its making doom level more life like?

[azure nimbus]

especially with vanilla textures

If you made a map with a Lil garage or kitchen using the stair textures and the metal walls, that's doomcute

[hexed escarp]

more specifically it is about creating small objects out of sectors

it doesnt always have to be realistic

[potent comet]

Oh

[misty ferry]

Am i able to get other weapon packs for gzdoom vr like they have in questzdoom?

[plucky needle]

what is the best setings ?

for doom 1993

[vale gyro]

you could maybe try loading in the same ones QZD uses

[vale gyro]

also, what port?

[plucky needle]

wdym

[vale gyro]

completely depends on that plus what you’re aiming for

[vale gyro]

like what you’re using to run the game (GZDoom, Woof, Chocolate, DOSBOX with the original EXEs, PrBoom+, etc,.)

[plucky needle]

gzdoom

[vale gyro]

and what are you attempting to achieve?

more modern with jumping and freelook, or more classic

[plucky needle]

classic

[vale gyro]

to be fair it’d make slightly make more sense to use a port like PrBoom+ in that case but that isn’t what you’re asking so, I’ll attempt to give a rundown of what I can think of changing

• Make Graphics Backend to the Software renderer
• Turn off all advanced movement (freelook, crouching, jumping)
• If you move forward and backwards for some reason when moving the mouse up and down, turn the vertical sens all the way down
• Maybe turn on strict vanilla compatibility

all I can think of without actually going into the settings and changing stuff

I don’t really use GZDoom so I don’t know it’s settings as well as something like Woof or Crispy Doom

[vale gyro]

also if you really wanted to go a bit more classic with GZ, you could set the FPS limit to 35 as well

what I personally do as I don’t have uncapped framerates on with other ports I use

I forgot something important

turn off all texture filtering

[hexed escarp]

texture filtering doesnt work on software rendering so it doesnt matter

[plucky needle]

i dont find graphique backend

[vale gyro]

oh

[hexed escarp]

are you playing with gameplay mods, or just regular maps

[plucky needle]

regular

[hexed escarp]

you should try woof instead of gzdoom

it will give you a classic feel without having to change any settings

and is compatible with most maps unless they were made specifically for gz, which is a minority

https://github.com/fabiangreffrath/woof/releases/download/woof_14.3.0/Woof-14.3.0-win64.zip

[vale gyro]

I use GZ with OpenGL (or Vulkan I can’t remember) so I have filtering off

[plucky needle]

i cant try woof

[hexed escarp]

why not?

[plucky needle]

cause its a crack

[hexed escarp]

no its not

it does not come with the game files

[plucky needle]

my game is

[hexed escarp]

oh

that shouldnt make a difference

[plucky needle]

it came with already gzdoom installed

[hexed escarp]

you should still have the wad file no matter how you got the game

ah, well just go into the gzdoom folder, and copy the file called doom2.wad or doom.wad into the woof folder

[plucky needle]

yeah got it the wad

why doom 2

[hexed escarp]

whichever you have

[plucky needle]

its the first

[hexed escarp]

i didnt know which one you were playing

so yeah then just get doom.wad

[vale gyro]

I do suggest getting Doom 2 at some point as most maps require it

[hexed escarp]

^

[plucky needle]

i install woof and after ?

[hexed escarp]

you dont really need to install it

you can kinda just download it, and run the file in the folder

[vale gyro]

he probably used install as a general term for downloading a game like I do sometimes

[hexed escarp]

just make sure to copy doom.wad from gzdoom into the woof folder

[vale gyro]

no way I just confused Woof with install

[hexed escarp]

lmao

[plucky needle]

it seemed more fluid to just run the default gzdoom

so i keep that

[vale gyro]

if you’re talking about actually playing it

Woof by default runs at 35 FPS iirc

[hexed escarp]

you can change that in the settings

[hexed escarp]

no i just checked it doesnt

but by default it runs at a lower resolution

[vale gyro]

oh

its been a while since I had to make a config from scratch with Woof so I’m used to it running at 35FPS

[hexed escarp]

you can change that by moving the resolution scale slider in the general settings menu all the way to the right

[hexed escarp]

that might fix your problem

on a side note, the new woof settings menu that they added in the newest version is super pog

its way nicer to navigate than any other source port

[plucky needle]

why my game is small

[hexed escarp]

oh

is full screen on?

[plucky needle]

yes

[vale gyro]

turn on widescreen

if it isn’t already on, that is

[hexed escarp]

you should get the newest version of woof, it has a new settings menu thats really really nice

much less mazy than gzdooms settings menu

[vale gyro]

I’m on the update before they added in the new screen melt effects

[hexed escarp]

also with this settings menu it has categorized tabs in each section

so you dont have to do a million page downs to get to what you want

[vale gyro]

wait

I have that, then

[hexed escarp]

you have the one that looks like this?
#classic-doom-maps-mods message

[vale gyro]

Yeah

[hexed escarp]

ah nice

[vale gyro]

I think I’m on 14.1

I’ve had no reasons to update to 14.3, really

and 14.0 was causing me issues for some reason

[hexed escarp]

ah yeah

the menu was added in 14.0, but i was using an older version for a while

[vale gyro]

but those issues happened when I was doing my run with Tangerine Nightmare

[hexed escarp]

this is my favorite menu in any port i think

[vale gyro]

and I couldn’t roll back because my saves would break

my game’s turn resolution was like in the negatives or something

[hexed escarp]

ah rip

[hexed escarp]

weird

[vale gyro]

yeah

I wasn’t even recording a demo

I’ve encountered that issue with GZDoom once

but almost consistently with Woof 14.0

14.1 just fixed it somehow

got no clue what change fixed it

[plucky needle]

hey can someone help me find all the secret ?

and all the item

[vale gyro]

you could open up a map editor and check yourself

[plucky needle]

nah

[vale gyro]

but best thing you can do is backtrack, try to open up walls, etc.

[plucky needle]

that cheating

[sick mist]

Everything u wont find urself would be cheating by your logic

[plucky needle]

no

im thinking like people was doing when the game comes out

1thing that he said i defined as cheating

the second not cheating

[vale gyro]

so

opening up a map editor (which was more than possible back then) is cheating. But someone telling you exactly where something is (which gives the exact same result) isn’t?

[plucky needle]

didn't know that was posible but yeah

think like two guy enjoying the game

and talking where to find all the secret

at school

[vale gyro]

The Doom Wiki (not the Fandom one) does give written locations of secrets

[plucky needle]

ok

[vale gyro]

for even community-made maps

although, they’re not hidden behind anything so you see the description of whats in each secret and where it is

also, for items

I think they’re usually just the items you can keep picking up (like armor and health bonuses)

I can’t tell you what exactly counts towards the item percentage as I usually don’t go for 100% runs at all

[plucky needle]

ok

[finite crag]

hi, i have a question

to play a co-op game with friends with mods do I need to use Zandronum or similar?

A random guy just told me I can do it straight from GZDOOM

[vale gyro]

only if you wanna use peer to peer

but I can't remember if GZDoom even supports that

but the problem with P2P is that everyone's ping is the highest ping someone has

[finite crag]

Thanks anyway

[hexed escarp]

you can, but it will be more difficult to set up, and a worse, laggier experience

[finite crag]

In the same way, I have been told that the best option is Zandronum

[hexed escarp]

i would recommend zandronum or odamex

i personally can vouch for odamex as i have used it before