classic-doom

[halcyon willow]

anyhoo

[storm tapir]

when I think of terribly designed i think of other kinds of wads

but those wads don't deserve to be started even without saves lol

[halcyon willow]

hello chillax is that you

[stark acorn]

hard and long doesnt mean terribly designed it just means high skill

unless it is terribly designed

[halcyon willow]

sunder is incredible. but if you don't like difficult slaughter wads you're probably gonna hate it

[worthy scroll]

What is sunder

[stark acorn]

a wad

popular one

[worthy scroll]

...what is a wad

[halcyon willow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=8J8WSiQzMdU

[stark acorn]

mf

[storm tapir]

wait you think doom is terribly designed off the vanilla maps?

[stark acorn]

wad is a og doom mod, it can range from just having more maps to changing the core aspects of the game

[worthy scroll]

Have you tried Shores of Hell on Ultra-Violence?

[worthy scroll]

Ah i see

[halcyon willow]

UV classic doom isn't particularly difficult

[storm tapir]

@worthy scroll I did it on nightmare

[halcyon willow]

episode 2 and 3 are ... not my favourites though

E4 however

[storm tapir]

E2 is my most played by a mile

[stark acorn]

yeah im not that good at doom but i can beat it on uv without much issues

[worthy scroll]

Knee Deep in the Dead Ultra Violence is alright, but the rest of the game can go die in a hole

[storm tapir]

don't like E3 though

[halcyon willow]

sounds like it's you who does the dying

[worthy scroll]

Yeah because it's bullshit.

[halcyon willow]

have you tried difficulty settings

they exist for a reason

[storm tapir]

I'll be honest I think the maps are a cake walk, only way to die if i play E4m2 the stupid way (no secrets)

only way I die in vanilla doom*

[halcyon willow]

E4M2 is one of my all time favourite classic doom maps

E4M1 as well

[storm tapir]

Yeah but I mean doing it without the soulsphere or the teleporters is some masochist stuff

but funny to do

[worthy scroll]

Yeah, i only play episodes 2 and 3 on Hey Not Too Rough. Episode 4 i only play on I'm Too Young to Die. Even then i don't think they're very fun.

[halcyon willow]

it's easy to speed run if you know the map

but you can definitely got boxed in and die super quick

[storm tapir]

Without any secret it isn't as easy as the rest of the Iwad, everything else is easy

[worthy scroll]

Episode 1 Ultra Violence is cool tho

[halcyon willow]

E1 is the best episode

[storm tapir]

not saying it is hard though

[halcyon willow]

almost all romero maps

and the one sandy map is actually good

[storm tapir]

I don't think of Doom 1 when I think of hard

[stark acorn]

explains everything

[worthy scroll]

Yep. E1 is really good, and the rest of the game ranges from mediocre to bad

[storm tapir]

I thought it was gonna be Plutonia or TNT

not Doom 1 in the bullshit discussion

[halcyon willow]

plutonia is pretty spicy

[worthy scroll]

I'm never gonna play that shite.

[halcyon willow]

tbh it just sounds like you don't like doom lol

[storm tapir]

Why? Plutonia is very easy on skill 2

[stark acorn]

im having wad ideas again...

[halcyon willow]

plutonia is widly recognised as the best iwad

[storm tapir]

Plutonia is only hard on UV but no need to play it on UV to begin with

[halcyon willow]

and is responsible for pretty much modern wad combat design

[worthy scroll]

I don't like old doom. I like 2016 and Eternal.

[halcyon willow]

Go2it my beloved

[stark acorn]

tnt is cool too its just kinda bs at times but i find it fun

[halcyon willow]

TNT drops off a cliff after about map 10

banging music though

[undone river]

i need help like really bad

[storm tapir]

I don't fully like either Plutonia or TNT, favorites would be a mix of both

[undone river]

so im stuck in a place without ammo

[storm tapir]

Time to beat the map tyson style

[undone river]

and in a hallway between a cacodemon and 2 imps

with 6 health

[storm tapir]

TYSON TIME

[undone river]

what the fuck do i do

[halcyon willow]

load an old save

but yeah, with a bit of room you could punch them down

or try get them infighting

or just ignore them lol

[storm tapir]

What map? there is probably some secret full of ammo

is it in E2?

[undone river]

sory i had to do something im back tho

but the problem is that i dont have a previouse file

in e2

[undone river]

yea

i dont know the exact level

but it dont matter because unless their is secret ammo right next to me in the wall that i can get in like a second i wont be able to get it

[storm tapir]

screenshot?

it better not be map 2 lol

[undone river]

i cant send things in tis chat i dont have the right rank or whateer

i can dm it to yuou tho

[cosmic pagoda]

put into #screenshots

[cosmic pagoda]

can restart the map then, e2 is quite friendly to pistol starts

[undone river]

I got fixed

I do have new problem though

On e3m4 yhere are 3 switches I flipped the middle, and the right one, but I can’t flip the left one

[cosmic pagoda]

you only need to flip left and middle one

on both pillars

other ones close doors

[true compass]

where do i send free mod files

[red token]

I don't understand why the Ps1 version of Doom has that horror atmosphere that ruins the original atmosphere of Doom

I don't get why changing the music from those bangers to that ambient music

[void hemlock]

Wow it’s almost as if they were intentionally trying to change it to be different!

||SATIRE||

[void hemlock]

Do I have news for you btw

There’s a game called #690991771039039498 and the OST is made by the same person

[red token]

I wasn't referring to Doom 64 tho, that is fine

[void hemlock]

I know but I’m just saying

[red token]

I just don't get why port Doom but changing the atmosphere

[void hemlock]

I mean it’s unique I will say

Also there is level changes too, but mainly because of the ROM size

So levels like E1M7 had to be toned down

[red token]

I understand Doom 64, it's not a port and you can do whatever you want. But why changing the atmosphere of the whole game

[gusty bobcat]

I was always certain it had to do with the limitations of the consoles, no?

[void hemlock]

Well not the console

[gusty bobcat]

They were never quite as capable as the PCs of the time, so the devs played into the secondary, horror aspects of doom?

[void hemlock]

The console can handle Doom near perfectly, really anything can at this point

[gusty bobcat]

Maybe I'm just going crazy but thats what I always thought

[void hemlock]

But Midway changed the game to be more of what the original intention of the game was supposed to be while keeping everything mostly intact

And they did a good job at it

Sure, not faithful port

But it’s interesting to see how Doom 2 monsters would function in Doom 1

And also colored lighting too, another +

And some new exclusive maps

[gusty bobcat]

A good job they did, to be honest, most doom ports are talked because of how bad they are, but doom 64 is the only one that survives in the classic doom cultural sphere still, being even available on steam and stuff

[void hemlock]

Well Doom 64 isn’t a port

It’s its own game

[gusty bobcat]

Well, true that

[void hemlock]

It’s the sequel to Doom 2 might I add

And then this may be news for you

But Doom 2016 is also a sequel to Doom 64

[gusty bobcat]

In a way, I guess

[void hemlock]

I’ll let you figure out how that is if you haven’t played it

[void hemlock]

No it actually is

If you played the game you’d know

But anyways, Doom PSX is great imo

[gusty bobcat]

That, it is

[red token]

If Doom 64 had less levels, could had they add monsters like Archvile or Revenant?

[finite crag]

Who knows?

[remote cedar]

I'm guessing yes, because ultimately less space on the cartridge for levels, therefore more space for other stuff

and that other stuff includes Revenants at the very least. Their fireballs are already in the game

[hoary forge]

r/suddenlycara- Oh, I forgot, I'm on Discord.

[undone river]

Anyone know how to get the wall that was blocking the cyber demon down in e4 m2

[finite crag]

Theres an teleporter at the start of the map that opens when you open the door with the cacodemons

With it you can telefrag the cyberdemon, get the bfg and lower the wall

[pale finch]

it's more in line with what the original art designers wanted

the metal sountrack was because romero wanted it

bobby also wanted an atmospheric ost

[vast reef]

funny if true

[unreal spruce]

Hi

[finite crag]

hello

Guys how do i get a mini mod to work in brutal doom? (MacOS)

[red token]

I prefer what Romero wanted

Giving that '80s action movie style, I don't like horror style in Doom, so thanks John (Romero)

[finite crag]

Anyone?

Im trying to install brutal ballistic

[pale finch]

ZDL

[finite crag]

Doesnt work for me. I tried multiple

im on mac btw

[pale finch]

idk

drag both to the gzdoom exe

[finite crag]

Alr i downloaded it, brutal doom doesnt work. I put bd in ex files, doom2 in iwad, and gz doom in s port, but it wont launch brutal doom. It only launches doom 2. How fix???

[pale finch]

i think you aren't launching the pk3

or wad or whatever

extract the zip

[finite crag]

How do i launch the pk3? Brutal doom is already at my extract files slot thingy alongside brutal ballistics

Also brutal ballistics is a folder i dont know how to insert it

[red token]

TNT Evilution is very boring

[vale gyro]

What’s the load order of command line arguments?

[red token]

Can I get Plutonia soundtrack on Xbox One version of Doom 2?

[vast reef]

compress to zip, rename the zip file to .pk3

[finite crag]

Man, no rest for the living got hands

[azure nimbus]

I've played all of them 100 % and have no idea how doom2016 is a sequel to doom 64. I mean they both have red sometimes?

[finite crag]

I think its more of an lore thing

[azure nimbus]

maybe it's a sequel in that 2016 is a higher number than 64

[finite crag]

[void hemlock]

Play the Lost Levels in Doom 64

That's all I will say

It will tell you

[cosmic pagoda]

2016 is further down the integer sequence than 64 is, obviously

ffs, read on

and you already made the joke

I guess looking stupid is what I get for replying before catching up with the whole chatlog

[vast reef]

is doom eternal or final doom the last game 🤔

[cosmic pagoda]

uncanonical because no numbers

jokes aside, doom isnt really lore driven, and you are not really intended to put too much thought in it, except for the new ones (which was a poor decision imo, especially for eternal)

the general "heres a gun, shoot demons" approach is a part of dooms appeal imo

[vast reef]

yes, and when it does have lore it tends to be a little silly

[cosmic pagoda]

yeah

wouldnt have had the same impact if e1m1 started with a lore dump/tutorial sequence imo

[vast reef]

of course

[cosmic pagoda]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4yIxUOWrtw

reminds me of this

[vast reef]

classic doom is arcadey as fuck while still having explorative elements and i love it for that

[finite crag]

classic DOOM is the best game ever

period

[vast reef]

def my top 1 fps game

maaayyyybe my top game period but that's hard

[finite crag]

my top 3 is : DOOM | GTA (pick your number) | RDR2

[cosmic pagoda]

I am kinda annoyed how its become a thing to call doom "classic doom" and I blame bethesda because how they named 2016

I hate when stuff does that

[finite crag]

DOOM will always be number 1 for me for how much it played a part of my young life

first played on a Toshiba laptop in 1994

[cosmic pagoda]

yeah a lot of my childhood memoried tied to doom as well

I was like 5 years old in 1994, but I did get into it quite soon, initially snes doom because it was all we had, then proper doom once our family got our first pc

[finite crag]

i was 7

my uncle let me play it. he was a dutch guy

he also let me smoke his pipe (definitely no pun intended) 😄

cool guy

we used to sit in his study for hours playing it

[cosmic pagoda]

when someone says doom, I think of classic doom, have to specify 2016 for me to think otherwise - however the younger generation who didnt grow up with it probably work the opposite way

[finite crag]

indeed

DOOM to me will always be E1M1

[finite crag]

Ok i did that but when i tried to open it with gzdoom all it did was say:
"Execution could not continue.
1 errors while parsing DECORATE scripts"

[prime moon]

if you want to use a .pk3 shouldn't you just drag it into the gzdoom executable

[finite crag]

What should i do? I placed it in zdl and it showed up again

[vast reef]

what was the error

[finite crag]

How to play doom in coop

Is there a mod or idk gzdoom can run coop

I need coop, not DM

[vast reef]

zandronum

odamex

zdaemon

"classic doom multiplayer" is an incredibly easy google search

[finite crag]

So with zandorum I just launch multiplayer and my bro appears near me?

After he connects

[vast reef]

should be like that yeah

[finite crag]

Thx ill try after school

[cosmic pagoda]

just check the documentation, theres most likely a "get started" section

[red token]

Favorite Classic Doom Game?

I mean Ultimate Doom, Doom 2, TNT, Plutonia and No Rest For The Living

[supple sand]

def doom 2

[red token]

Mine Ultimate Doom and Plutonia

Thy Flesh Consumed is very well done and I like the gothic/medieval style of hell levels in Doom

[pale finch]

nrftl maybe

[cosmic pagoda]

plutonia is king

doom 2 is eh, tnt is boring af, doom1 is alright

[vast reef]

plut > doom 1 > doom 2 > tnt

[cosmic pagoda]

agreed

nrftl isnt even an iwad

favourite plutonia map is a hard question though

for mine its a hard decision between map32, map05, map09, map12 and a few others I cant immediately remember

probably 05 actually, love how short and sweet it is, peak Milo Casali

[cosmic pagoda]

have you tried the community midi pack? lifts plutonia to another level

[vast reef]

i really should

[cosmic pagoda]

I recently did, instantly regretted not doing so sooner

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRjlP-Z4Urc

this one is a banger

[red token]

Doom 1 goat

As a mainline game it's for me the second best after Eternal

[vast reef]

ok but plutonia

[cosmic pagoda]

yeah

shotgunning barons and cacos is fun only for so long

[vast reef]

yuh

[cosmic pagoda]

its what has put me off trying sigil 2 so far as well

[red token]

Nah, Doom 1 is short enough to not get boring

And the episodic structure helps it a lot

[cosmic pagoda]

ok but combat puzzles

[cosmic pagoda]

ok but have you played plutonia

only plutonia map I dislike is map11, but not because of the viles

but because I get lost every time

[vast reef]

lmao

[cosmic pagoda]

but I respect it

[vast reef]

map11 is a cool concept

[cosmic pagoda]

yea

when dario did a playthrough/dev commentary on it

he got lost so hard lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfFGCSW-37A

[peak bison]

I own this game

[cosmic pagoda]

which game? and define own

[red token]

Yes, Plutonia for me is 100x times better than Doom 2 main campaign

I could replay Doom 1 and Plutonia over and over again because I love them so much

[pale finch]

i'd take 8 good maps over 30 mid maps

[cosmic pagoda]

okay but that doesnt make it an iwad

[vast reef]

to be fair the person included nrftl on the choices

[cosmic pagoda]

fair, but thats such an arbitrary clustering

which do you like best, pizza, lasagna, grilled steak or umbrellas

[vocal summit]

no way you just put fucking plutonia over doom 1

[white vortex]

Its an opinion lol

[cosmic pagoda]

doom 1 combat is boring

its a fine game overall but plutonias fights are way more interesting

[eager solstice]

ur mom

[cosmic pagoda]

its just rooms sparsely poplulated with mobs

[eager solstice]

brob you are not a clown you are the whole circus

[white vortex]

Yeah you fight like the same 4 monsters

[eager solstice]

"Time is lineral hurr durr"

[white vortex]

Quit yapping

[cosmic pagoda]

lmao

[white vortex]

Plutonia is also better than doom 1 imo

[cosmic pagoda]

plutonia map09 final room is like a perfect example of a well crafted interesting fight, altho its a PITA

never get it first try 😄

[eager solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-domguy-dies-cringe-dies-of-cringe-gif-24496797

[cosmic pagoda]

2 of these are actually words, nice, 60% failrate

[eager solstice]

3 actually but I cant imagine you can recognize which 3

[white vortex]

Dies from cringe 💀

[eager solstice]

he is dead f5 to quickload

[cosmic pagoda]

Isnt doom like age restricted

Sounds like someone is a bit too young

[azure nimbus]

I have

[vast reef]

whar mr. murk said, plutonia has way more interesting fights

this is a fairly common ranking in the community bro

[pale finch]

yeah at the end it directly quotes slayer's testaments

[peak bison]

Both

[cosmic pagoda]

wat

that didnt clarify a thing

[cosmic pagoda]

would be 3 if you knew how to spell linear

[peak bison]

I own both doom 1993 and doom II

[vast reef]

there are only 2 classic doom games you can buy nowadays

final doom comes with doom 2

[devout tundra]

i dont get why people buy the classic dooms, DE has both doom 1993 and doom 2

[nocturne pumice]

Have you ever considered the fact that not everyone can run Eternal

[void hemlock]

Literally my laptop can’t for example

My RAM is not enough for it even within the minimum

My PC though? Runs like a charm

[finite crag]

what do u use ur laptop for

[void hemlock]

I think Doom 1, 2, and 64 would work fine on my laptop though

[void hemlock]

Well I haven’t really used it for anything, I just wanted to test how it ran Eternal back in October and wow my god it was bad

Like 10 FPS

Even with id Tech 7 (or was it 8? Forgot)

It still ran like shit because my laptop’s old

[finite crag]

damn

[devout tundra]

i play on an old laptop too but my frames are fine

[royal heron]

The wads in Doom Eternal are the BFG editions

Inferior by default

[pale finch]

patchable afaik

[devout tundra]

DE is still better

[royal heron]

Listen to what you're saying

Because it's absolutely braindead

You're comparing a game made in 2020, to games made in 1993 and 1994

[devout tundra]

thinking that DE is a better game?

[royal heron]

You physically cannot compare them

They are different things

[devout tundra]

they really arent

[royal heron]

Tell me what goddamn correlation between the two then besides the name and having to shoot demons until they die

And you didn't actually contribute anything to that conversation by saying that Eternal is better, which is a red herring

It was a discussion of wads

But I'll entertain you on this argument

Eternal is classified as an arena shooter

You can't call the classics arena shooters

Their mechanics are also different(obvious, given that there's a 26 year difference between the two releases)

[royal heron]

Interesting to know

Patchable how?

Editing in slade?

[pale finch]

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/61818-doom-3-bfg-edition-iwad-patches/

[royal heron]

Oh that's really cool

[vale gyro]

Man what did I miss now?

[void hemlock]

Needless and unnecessary tiny argument

[vale gyro]

Ah

Joy to read through, though

[royal heron]

Pretty much just dumb takes

[nocturne pumice]

Bad takes and taking the bait lol

[peak bison]

And you have to go through the entirety of doom eternal to get to the classic ones

[nocturne pumice]

That too

I'm gonna spend $40 on a massive high spec DOOM game just to play two old games that are from DOOM 3: BFG Edition

Instead of $10 to just play the games by themselves

[peak bison]

Also this just doesn't make sense cause doom eternal is like $60 and doom 1993 and II are $10 put together

[nocturne pumice]

Kinda wish DOOM 1 and 2 had achievements though, I'm working my way through the games trying to get 100% on all of them

I've got Eternal and 64 done, and I'm trying to get a group together to play 2016 multiplayer

[vale gyro]

Wellll if you wanna get into the specifics
You’ll need to complete every level up to Final Sin at least to get all cheat disks to get Ultimate Doom.
You’ll also need a device with active access to a web browser or get it from word of mouth for the code for Doom 2

[peak bison]

Nerd

[nocturne pumice]

Lmao

[vale gyro]

You’re not wrong lmao

[nocturne pumice]

I should reinstall Eternal

[pale finch]

i mean, 3 games for 40 dollars is a deal to me. plus with the thousands of mods.

[nocturne pumice]

Yes but that's not the point, the point is the logistics, and if you ONLY want the first two games why would you spend the extra money on something that might not even run on your hardware

[pale finch]

you don't need to play em, get the wads from the files
and uhhh yeah i have nothing for this one

[nocturne pumice]

broski that is literally not the point

[pale finch]

i mean the entirety of episode 1 and most episode 2-3 maps are in 2016 which has slayer'$ testaments

[pale finch]

i meant for the eternal

[vale gyro]

He does have a good point imo

[pale finch]

but eternal doesn't really have that treatment

[vale gyro]

Anyways just pushing this back down

[nocturne pumice]

This is where the argument started

If you're looking to just play the first two, why get Eternal for so much more money. You've gotta play the ENTIRE game to be able to unlock DOOM 1993

[royal heron]

Left to right

[pale finch]

i'm guessing left to right?

[vale gyro]

K thanks, needed that for a launcher I’m making for my own personal workflow

And yes I’m perfectly aware ZDL and Doom Launcher exists

[azure nimbus]

I skipped the cutscenes 😎 . My slayer, canonically kills for lolz and not for the story or whatever

[pale finch]

based?

[buoyant tulip]

Heyo. I have a question regarding wads.

Do I need a copy of Doom 1 or Doom 2 in order to play them? Or both?

[vale gyro]

Depends on the WAD

A lot of maps use Doom 2 as a base

Some mods can use both Doom 1 or 2 as a base

But overall, it’s good to have both

[buoyant tulip]

All right. Thanks!

[azure nimbus]

no. Most WADS are made for doom2. So you'd play it on doom2 specifically. Some require d1 though. however, you can get freedoom and freedoom2. These use the open source doom code to run, but replace all the proprietary assets with freedoom ones

[buoyant tulip]

So it's like a replacement?

[vast reef]

...people do call the classics arena shooters

if quake is an arena shooter why isn't doom an arena shooter

arena fps refers to multiplayer anyway lol

[hexed escarp]

Freedoom and freedoom 2 are basically Walmart doom and doom 2

[vast reef]

there's zero definition for what makes a singleplayer game an afps

for me it's just combat style, where the focus is on engaging enemies head-on rather than taking cover

[vast reef]

maybe with just the og iwads i guess

but this is like saying starcraft 2 is better than chess

[royal heron]

because the original maps aren't built as such except for custom pwads who do have them like slaughtermaps

with an arena, you're locked in a certain place until you kill all the enemies

it has been a while since I played any of the iwads, but none of the maps come off as "arenas" to me

[vast reef]

yeah

but arena fps is defined as a multiplayer genre

doom was the first arena fps unless there was some obscure game from eastern europe that came out before it

[vale gyro]

there's maybe the "boss fight" on E1M8 but barely

[vast reef]

to clarify, classic doom deathmatch mode was the first afps, not the singleplayer

[royal heron]

if you consider horizontal geometry to be an arena, alright then I guess

[vale gyro]

I'm working with the definition you gave here btw

[vast reef]

arena fps = item pickups at set points in the map, fast movement, enclosed map design

as someone active-ish in the afps community

[royal heron]

so by that definition, any game that checks those marks can be classified as an arena shooter, disregarding map layout

[vast reef]

i added in enclosed map design, was finding a way to word it

because it should lock players in to fight with each other rather than something like a battle royale or whatever has big maps these days

[vast reef]

if you want to say comparing eternal to og is stupid, just mention the fact that their design philosophies are completely different

eternal is maximalist, classic doom is minimalist

[white vortex]

Doom is an arena shooter

[vocal summit]

no

doom is slightly faster paced, that doesn't mean it's an arena shooter

that started with quake 3 and ut

[royal heron]

only when looking at it from a multiplayer perspective could it be called one

[vocal summit]

by that definition, halo infinite could be called an arena shooter

[royal heron]

from what I've seen of its multiplayer, kinda? don't know much

otherwise playing through the classics by yourself doesn't make it an arena shooter

you're free to wander around wherever you want

[vocal summit]

my definition is, they're games with simple concepts, like get as many kills as possible before the time limit expires or capture the flag as many times as possible, they have no goal other than that, they have easy to pick up and hard to master mechanics, you have no set limit of weapons you can carry, if you die you have to recollect all weapons which respawn at specific areas of the map

[white vortex]

Fortnite is an arena shooter 💀

(this didn't have any logic put into it, this is a joke)

[vast reef]

no, doom was the first arena shooter when it came to multiplayer

it has all the mechanics of quake and another arena fps with item pickups and map control

[vast reef]

in the afps communities i'm in, a good portion agree that halo games are just slower afps games

but i haven't played halo myself so i don't know

[vast reef]

and that's doom multiplayer dawg

your definition is perfect btw, i'd just add that afps have more enclosed maps

[vocal summit]

shit

[cosmic pagoda]

yeah eternal has more to do with mario 64 than doom

glorified platformer with demons

[red token]

I thought arena shooters were just fast paced MULTIPLAYER games

I never thought of Doom nor Quake 1 and 2 as arenas

They are just FPS, of a different type than other FPS

[supple sand]

pain elementals are meatballs with arms

[narrow condor]

FWIW all three of them had very prolific deathmatch scenes

[red token]

Cacodemons are meatballs without arms

[supple sand]

EXACTLY

are elementals just some mutant caco

[red token]

Caco or Pain Elemental?

Honestly Caco is more expressive and happy than Pain Elemental

[cosmic pagoda]

cacos are cute

[red token]

They should be scary or something, but I find them unironically cute

[cosmic pagoda]

same

[red token]

What makes them cute it's their big green eye

[cosmic pagoda]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9sVCLUFKAk

[red python]

awwww

[red token]

I have this mod by a year now, sometimes I just boot it up for petting the Caco

[dusty eagle]

That looks cute. Don't know why everyone loves cacodemons so much tho.

[vale gyro]

big red circle = cute

that why Caco is loved

[dusty eagle]

Guess they also smile... Right before the eat you!

[cosmic pagoda]

these kinds of things are hard to explain

why are puppies cute?

hard to say, but they just are

[void hemlock]

I did find them scary when I was introduced to what Doom was back in like 2014, but then I finally played it almost a year ago by now and I find them adorable

Doom how I imagined it in my mind was a different game before I played it in 2023

[red token]

Caco top demon

He is the ICON of Doom

When you think of Doom you think of him

He is the most recognizable

He is even on the main menu of Doom 1 near the Doom Guy

[cunning adder]

I have a question for purists : How are' you even able to deal with not having freelook, especially on the DOS versions?

Because I tried playing the DOS version and it was sluggish and hard to see enemies from far away.

[wanton stag]

i bought classic doom and thought i was scammed because i didn't know how to open a door💀

[red token]

Bro...

[red token]

And that's why source ports exist. Technically you have mouselook on dos, but you use the mouse also for going forward or backwards and so using mouse and keyboard on dos is weird. Maybe turning with arrow keys can be made faster in the options

[cunning adder]

I can look left and right just fine, it's up and down that I can't live without

[wanton stag]

yea i was extremely stupid

[cunning adder]

I play GZdoom

[wanton stag]

i'm playing doom 3

[red token]

That's what newcomers think...but remember you can shoot enemies from above and down as long the weapon is pointed towards them

[cunning adder]

Yes I know

I'm quite familier with how Doom works

[red token]

Sorry

[cunning adder]

It's fine

[red token]

Btw, after some time I started tolerating limited mouse look and I even turn freelook off when I play wads

[cunning adder]

I like freelook because it feels more like a normal shooter. I grew up with Halo you see.

[red token]

I bound R key for switching freelook on/off

[cunning adder]

Didn't know you can do that

Console bind?

[red token]

Yes

[red token]

Is Doom 2's Nirvana named after the band or is it referencing the other Nirvana?

[vale gyro]

I realllllly wanna say yes

but I cannot tell you for sure

[red token]

I mean the level has a super shotgun at the start lmao (sorry for the bad joke)

[vast reef]

fov

not on DOS tho

you don't really need up and down mouse movement lol, just play the game with the restricted camera for like 7 levels to get used to it and you should be good

[vale gyro]

I actually kinda hate freelook in Doom

throws me off greatly as I'm really used to no up and down movement

[vast reef]

freelook is way more important for gz gameplay mods tho, since lots of em have:
a. view recoil ala cs or val
b. enemies that fly above you or below you and need to be shot at
c. much more verticality in movement, seeing where you're gonna land when jumping is impottant

[vast reef]

https://tenor.com/view/skillissue-skill-issue-gif-22125481

to both you and the guy who needs freelook

[vale gyro]

In GZDoom, that’s an exception

But the last time I’ve used GZDoom was like 2 years ago

[mellow matrix]

I beat Resurgence map32 I'm finally getting good at this game

[vale gyro]

Am I insane for thinking playing Doom with an uncapped frame rate feels some what worse?

[true mortar]

do you mean some what

also an uncapped framerate doesnt do anything if its higher than your monitors refresh rate

[vale gyro]

yeah

but it just feels wrong compared to 35 FPS max

[true mortar]

30?

[vale gyro]

the original exe had an FPS cap of 35

[true mortar]

i dont really like 30 all too much unless its on a smaller screen

[true mortar]

the more you know

[vale gyro]

The smoothness of the uncapped framerate just feels wrong

[true mortar]

wdym

cap it at 60

[vale gyro]

still too smooth imo

I've always played at the 35 FPS cap

little things really throw me off

[vast reef]

anything past 35 fps is interpolated btw

that might be why it feels wrong

[vale gyro]

automap colors, FPS cap, the wrong amount of pixels being visible, etc

it all throws me off

[vast reef]

idrc since it's still the same gameplay

[vale gyro]

hence why I pretty much only use Woof and Crispy Doom

[vast reef]

imo you're better off getting used to having little things be different

[vale gyro]

eh

I'm not a speed runner so no need for DSDA

[true mortar]

oh really

[vale gyro]

I don't really play advanced maps or mods so no need of ZDoom-based ports

[vast reef]

afaik yeah

[true mortar]

[vast reef]

mean it more for games in general tbh

[vale gyro]

even then I could configure a copy of GZDoom over time to get that aesthetic that Crispy and Woof has

[vale gyro]

ah, just talking about Doom btw

all of that doesn't really effect me in other games

just classic Doom

[vast reef]

eh yeah ig that's fair enough

[vale gyro]

as I've pretty much only used Crispy Doom after wanting to play Sigil

used to use DOSBOX as my main port before that

only used Woof as I wanted to play some Boom map

and I wouldve used Woof to play Sigil 2 but I didn't know if it worked with Woof so I just used DSDA as I knew it worked (spoilers, I hate DSDA for some of the quirks it has)

[vast reef]

if it needs gzdoom i will play on gzdoom, otherwise i use dsda

i have not played heartland

[vale gyro]

for me it's Crispy as a main, Woof for everything else unless I need GZDoom

which is rare, as seen with the last time I've actually used GZDoom

was 2 years ago

[vast reef]

insane

[vale gyro]

when I just started playing Doom

[vast reef]

i got into doom bc i saw a cool PSI abilities mod on the earthbound subreddit

[vale gyro]

I got into it because...

I actually don't know, huh

maybe because I got into retro stuff at that time I'm not sure

also, yeah, when I mean I use Crispy as a main

[vast reef]

lmao

[vale gyro]

that does include the rare time I play multiplayer

I would use a multiplayer-orientated port if I could actually find more active servers

I looked at it today, couldn't exactly find anything

at the same time I was using Doomseeker with Zandronum so take what I said with a grain of salt

[vast reef]

how did u not find anything

i can always find at least one game with ds and zand

[vale gyro]

anything with actual players on it that isn't Brutal Doom

the only one active at the time I was checking it was with Brutal Doom

[vast reef]

oh

mm8bdm and complex are both more fun than brutal doom and have active servers a lot

vanilla is dead for the most part

[vale gyro]

that's the sad thing for me

I really like vanilla DM

[vast reef]

i prefer quake for that

[vale gyro]

I hate PvP games

but I can have fun in vanilla DM

with the few times I was able to play it

[vast reef]

i feel like once you memorize routes in vanilla dm you can just sr50 to the bfg and win

[mellow matrix]

yo what comp level do I use for Revilution? 2? 4?

[vast reef]

but that was my experience with friends and random ppl on zand

[vast reef]

being on the disadvantaged side can be pretty fun though

also this is about 1v1s because i never found a full ffa match

[gentle marten]

Why is Nirvana considered the worst Doom level ever? I can't stop reading it when searching for Doom stuff--

[mellow matrix]

It's 2

[mellow matrix]

Anyone wanna play tech support?
I can get Revilution to launch just fine but it's not loading custom textures. Putting "-iwad doom2" in the .bat file results in no textures (just black spaces) and loading with "-iwad tnt" loads the completely wrong textures (eg lots of ceiling flats on the floors).

[hexed escarp]

-iwad tnt.wad is what you should be doing

Idk why the textures would be wrong

[mellow matrix]

I'm going to assume it has something to do with launching through Steam because it's the only thing I can think of. Although that doesn't really make sense either. FWIW this is what my .bat file has in it:

.\base\woof -iwad tnt.wad -file tntr.wad -deh tntr.deh -complevel 2

I'm playing Resurgence with the same method and have no issues.

[cosmic pagoda]

well... dont launch through steam then?

[vast reef]

use a source port dawg

[mellow matrix]

I'm launching woof through steam

[vast reef]

launch woof raw

[azure nimbus]

any custom port like that, woof, dsda, gzdoom, whatever, you want to run through a command line, batch file, or ZDL or some custom launcher. Steam is for steam stuff

[pale finch]

a coincidence

[mellow matrix]

I mean, TNTR is the only wad that's ever given me an issue. I'll just skip it and play something else.

[finite crag]

I hope myhouse.wad gets added to the add-ons in doom 2

[vast reef]

no that needs a whole-ass new engine

they're not adding that to the addons, neither are they adding brutal doom

[void hemlock]

You would likely need to test the WAD with DehackEd in order to make other work with vanilla, and who knows if it can

I’m gonna say it can’t

[vast reef]

i'm gonna say water is probably transparent

[void hemlock]

Now WADs like Eviternity? Yeah that could work because it was ran through DehackEd

[red flare]

Hello

[red token]

They add only wads I think

[red token]

I'd like Sunlust on Console Doom Add-Ons

[pale finch]

i wish they add dsdhacked to unity ports

[azure nimbus]

even eviternity is too far for what the steam port can run since eviternity runs on mbf, not the doom2 v1.9 engine

[dapper steppe]

I played elementalism and it was super fun, are there any other map packs like it?

[shy frost]

.GUYS I HAVE AN IDEA, WHY DON'T WHE ASK ELON MUSK TO MAKE DOOM 1 POSSIBLE TO RUN IN OUR MINDS BY USING NEURALINK, SO EVEN CHIMPANZEs CAN PLAY IT ! DAMNNNNNN WHAT AN IDEAAAA.

[cosmic pagoda]

Neuralink is bs and musk is a narcissistic moron, but i'm pretty sure you are trolling anyway

[white vortex]

no

[random mantle]

hellow

al

[vast reef]

this dude's like 12 lol

at least from what i remember about him

[cosmic pagoda]

only horrible decision by both the eviternity teams was putting in ice physics

nobody likes that

[azure nimbus]

It's p cool

[zenith berry]

Does anyone know how to setup PBR mod with Doom II? Launching it together with ZDL, only the skybox is changed.

It works with original Doom apparently, however lighting is still the same. Anything I need to do?

[supple sand]

project brutality?

[finite crag]

One time I complained doom 1 and 2 in doom eternal

[pale finch]

...i thought the unity port was based on a modified prboom.

[azure nimbus]

would be nice

[pale finch]

it's based on the old ios ports, which are prboom based

[azure nimbus]

what evidence do we have on that? I doubt that's the case because prb is a fanmade thing and we never see boom or mbf maps on steam

[halcyon willow]

nope. only limit removing wads are supported by the unity port. eviternity is mbf11 format

the unity port does have limtied dehacked support, but not the new decohack elements

it's conceivable the extended code pointers get added to the unity port because it's still essentially just dehacked

[zenith berry]

Does anyone know the trick used in MAP30 of Sunlust where dead corpses resurrects itself? decino said it was some sort of a Keen/SS replacement placed on the ground using blank sprites, coded to perform archvile’s resurrecting action. Is it really the case?

[azure nimbus]

yes. It's basically just archviles under the ground. Viles can rez things through any height difference and walls if they're close enough. But they're special viles that do not count for the kill count

if you no-clip into the pillars, you'll see an archvile sprite. The actual sprite used for them is irrelevant but they picked it just so it'd be easier to playtest I imagine. Map30 of sunlust also uses another trick: for the telefrag segment with the cybers. That would only work on map30. On map30s, in vanilla and boom, decorations and monsters can telefrag

For what it's worth, they seem to be commander keens based on the lvl editor. If you're curious about this sort of thing, download Ultimate Doom Builder(not doom builder). You can check out any map in the editor. It's also helpful for finding secrets

[zenith berry]

I actually have UDB but never thought that I could also use the editor just to know the map’s secrets. Great idea.

[prisma hawk]

Does anyone know what hellion is?

[zenith berry]

Upcoming DOOM II megawad by Romero.

[prisma hawk]

Dammit, and I thought I had every wad in the classic doom story

[zenith berry]

Well eventually, not anymore.

[prisma hawk]

Also l do you know how to fix this on gz?

I just realized I can't do images, fuck.

Where the episode names are longer than the screen?

I put it in tecu

[azure nimbus]

Odds are, you have everything licensed by ID software. But there are essentially infinite custom wads out there. As Romero no longer works for ID, his sigil1 and sigil2 are also part of that custom wad tradition

[halcyon willow]

yes, and the monsters aren't placed corpse (because those are actually different actors), they get killed by eploding barrels at the start of the map

[halcyon willow]

any port that supports mapinfo can change that, so dsda goes on that list now

[prisma hawk]

But it's Romero! It's his story!

[azure nimbus]

Anything Romero makes is always going to be a lil special something for sure.

[prisma hawk]

Does the community consider his wads canon?

[azure nimbus]

I don't think the doom community tends to be that concerned with canonicity.

But as far as any semblance of cohesive story exists, it's doom1 through doom2 and maybe tnt+plut

[prisma hawk]

Well im one of the few and I definitely consider it canonical

[zenith berry]

They’re on the official list of the curated community WADs however.

[prisma hawk]

Did everyone else leave id except him (not referring to Romero)

[zenith berry]

The only remaining id staff who has been with the company since its early days are Kevin Cloud and Donna Jackson.

Carmack left in 2013.

The earliest to leave was Tom Hall, who left months before they released the original DOOM.

[vast reef]

i wonder if we can calculate how manny possible doom maps there can be

what limits and format do we use

[prisma hawk]

Atleast Kevin is still there to keep Willits on his toes.

[hexed escarp]

vanilla would be easiest

[undone river]

im glad to say that as of this morning i have finished doom 1

[azure nimbus]

Those are in a weird area. because they're accessible for free elsewhere, not made by ID, but also on the addons list

[void hemlock]

I agree with you on that

[void hemlock]

Personally I do, as I still believe whatever his team makes or any other ex-id or current id Software members make to be canon in some sort if it pertains to story

[void hemlock]

me too

[undone river]

can anyone help me im on doom 2 i dont kno2 the mission

but im stuck and i cant find a way to get to the platform i need to get to

like its just out of springting reach

idk maybe im not hitting it at the right angle or something

[dry oxide]

Which map?

[cosmic pagoda]

technically og doom was mostly sandy

[cosmic pagoda]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZMLGjjeFHE

new zero master guys

[red token]

Sandy was mostly Doom 2

Romero was mostly Doom 1

[hexed escarp]

Doom 1 episode 1 was mostly Romero but episodes 2 and 3 were entirely sandy

[red token]

Which are the Doom's musical inspiration?

[vast reef]

heavy 90s rock

rock meaning metal and alt

[red token]

I know bruh, I mean, which bands

[vast reef]

lotsa pantera

metallica and sod too

there's a slayer riff in there somewhere

you can find a list of em on google lolz

[zenith berry]

Bye Bye American Pie is literally Them Bones by Alice in Chains.

[urban trench]

What? Hellion will be for Doom 2? I already fear what Romero can do with heavy weapon dudes, revenants and arch-viles 😰

[red token]

Favorite Demons? Mine are Cacodemon, Archvile, Pinky and Revenant

[solid knot]

I know this is pretty basic-level stuff but help me out here

BFG hitscan projectiles require line-of-sight when the base projectile explodes, but is the arc projected from the position that the BFG was initially shot from or is it projected from the player's orientation at the moment the projectile explodes?

[azure nimbus]

the angle is from the inital shot but the starting point is from your position(it's a few frames after the proj deals damage

so you fire a proj south and teleport a mile away. you turn west. the projectile lands. now 40 tracers from your player facing south deal damage

[cosmic pagoda]

decino had a video on it explaining well

lemme find it

[cosmic pagoda]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsCqLQJ1EOc

[solid knot]

lol nice, I love Decino, I actually reviewed this vid before asking, but I couldn't quite get this bit answered from it (it may be in there and I may just be being dense, I need coffee)

[solid knot]

OOOH thank you this makes sense to me now. It kinda being a combination of both factors is unexpected and probably why I was having such a hard time wrapping my head around it.

Thanks to both

[cosmic pagoda]

yeah the direction and origin point get set in different moment

and dw, it is kinda unintuitive

[solid knot]

yea I'm pretty sure Decino explicitly states this in his vid but my mortal mind was not ready to comprehend

[azure nimbus]

I remember also not getting the full picture from that video alone. I really don't think that the BFG would exist if not for doom's very limited Z axis

[spice radish]

ALICE IN CHAINS MENTIONED🔥🔥🔥

[spice radish]

Off the top of my head I think it’s:
-Metallica
-Pantera
-Slayer
-Alice In Chains
I think Megadeth as well? Not 100% sure

[pulsar pulsar]

I love doom gba

Such good graphics

[finite crag]

Hello everyone. So i play GZDOOM on mac but the problem is that when i launch it i just get a black screen. It just shows my cursor. Any help?

[pale finch]

apparently i was thinking of the other port

the ios doom classic has nothing to do with the bfg doom classic

but ios doom classic IS based on prboom

[cosmic pagoda]

try another sourceport?

[finite crag]

How? And is there a recommendation for one?

[cosmic pagoda]

depends on which wads you wanna play

dsda will service most of the custom content

if you just want iwads, maybe crispy

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Source_port

pick one from there, that supports your os

[finite crag]

Sheeesh dude, tysm!

[cosmic pagoda]

hope you get one working

[void hemlock]

There’s quite a few besides those:

• AC/DC
• Judas Priest
• Stormtroopers of Death
• Stone Temple Pilots

And sadly Megadeth was not an inspiration

[pale finch]

Doom Retro is basically crispy but better

it supports all non-zscript mods and partially decorate (decohack)

though there's a conversion process and you need to mod and make it dehacked yourself

[spice radish]

AC/DC makes sense but Judas Priest? Didn’t know that’s awesome

[vale gyro]

I’d call it its own thing personally

[pale finch]

yeaaaa

fair

[vale gyro]

It has some features I love from Crispy

[pale finch]

man decohack's so cool

[vale gyro]

But its overall its own thing with its own taste

[pale finch]

it's like decorate but vanilla compatible

[vale gyro]

Colored blood cough cough

[pale finch]

or mbf21 if you will

[hexed escarp]

woof is basically crispy but better

its crispy but it supports boom, mbf, mbf21, dehextra, and dsdhacked

its made by the crispy developer, and it has complevels for vanilla, boom, mbf, and mbf 21 so its good for speedrunning and can playback most demos

[mellow matrix]

idk anything about cripsy but woof also has pistol starts as a setting and I know it's just a small QoL feature but I really really like it

[vale gyro]

Crispy doesn’t have that feature

[azure nimbus]

I don't like having pistol start by default. I like just clicking restart level or idclev##

[vocal summit]

it does WHAT now?

[vast reef]

funny port

it has partial decorate support while having vanilla compat

afaik, full support with a bit of work?

oh wait no i think it just has. straight-up decorate support

that's wild

[hexed escarp]

Really? Where did you see this

I can’t find anything about that

[vast reef]

nvm im stupid LOL

i misinterpreted some stuff

[hexed escarp]

Lol

[pale finch]

it has decorate "support" (in reality you can convert a decorate mod to decohack as dsdhacked and run with is pretty easily)

you DO have to change some parameters and stuff

but wouldn't take more than 15 mins or so

[hexed escarp]

That doesn’t count

[hexed escarp]

It depends on the mod tho, because decorate has a ton of features not supported by other formats so some stuff would not convert properly

[frigid cape]

i just got DOOM running on my 3d printer

kind of

loota things to fix and kinks to work out

its in black and white

but it works

[vale gyro]

Beautiful

We have yet another innovation in demon-slaying technology™️

[zenith berry]

For real life?

[sacred orbit]

Okay, So I learned from yall about keeping the classic original Doom. I did now.

However;
I added mods that will make it more bloodier, and better textures, sounds, helmet and voxel 3d. So I'm uploading on youtube now, I don't know when it'll be finished. Probably like 5hrs or so. I have 4.50mbps upload speed so I ain't worry about it. Once it's completed I'll share it here and on fb.

[pale finch]

hd textures? dhtp?

also voxels already have parallax textures

[cosmic pagoda]

og doom has what youd call an artstyle, adding hd textures and other garbage like that just makes it look off

youd have to make the maps high definition modelled too for hd textures to work

chunky geometry needs chunky textures

[void hemlock]

well, it's texture mapped with idtech 1 so im not sure if much can be done besides outright remaking the game and having a distinct model for a map

[vast reef]

he gets it

hd textures can work so much better even in just quake, compared to doom

simply because of how chunky and blocky doom maps are

[gusty fox]

I love this server

[short solar]

hi

[sacred orbit]

none. Something different

[cosmic pagoda]

I wonder if I should tackle e3m4 next with my nightmare 100s ones, seems quite the difficulty jump up from e3m3

hmm maybe I should do a quick e2m8, thats gonna be easier on nm than uv

cybies and archies get so much easier with nightmare

[cosmic pagoda]

first try lol

https://i.imgur.com/D8gqMFd.png

quite a long time tho

took it careful after getting a face rocket due to getting caught on a soul

[dusty eagle]

Yikes well done. I hate respawning monsters!

[cosmic pagoda]

the respawning imo isnt even the worst part

the instant reaction hitscanners and turbo pinkies are

[dusty eagle]

Yea you're right. Those extra reaction speeds are pretty rediculous.

[cosmic pagoda]

also the turbo pinkies can ruin your day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCz5fUycyB4

took a short clip when doing e3m3

took me so many attempts lol

still need to convert the demo

[lucid flare]

[robust citrus]

Doom classic is the best

[undone river]

So I’m playing doom 2 m19 and in order to get the blue key there’s a lift you have to use

I went up and went the wrong way and ended up falling into the courtyard

And now the lift won’t go back down

So I’m stuck

[undone river]

can anyone help

[undone river]

?

[thick scroll]

i always watched that one big mac davis guy on yt he was pretty helpful

[undone river]

yea i watched his video

but in his video he didnt go the wrong way the first time

and he doesnt explain how to get the lift to go back down

[thick scroll]

maybe restart the level idrk, didnt memorize doom ii maps lol🤷‍♂️

[cosmic pagoda]

ill try go check

but you can also idclip out I guess

[undone river]

whats that

[cosmic pagoda]

cheatcode

[undone river]

o

[cosmic pagoda]

but also its nbot a lift

you have to get behind it and grab it from there

also you only need 2 keys to beat this map

red and yellow will do

[undone river]

i dont know where to get the red key

i only have the yellow

[cosmic pagoda]

also in courtyard

on the high ledge behind hte box of rockets

[undone river]

Wait no

Other way around

I’m missing yello

[cosmic pagoda]

#videos message

made a quick vid for you with nomonsters

[vale gyro]

Map19 is a freakshow imo

I’m trying to play through Doom 2 without video tutorials

but Map19 was an exception after trying to get yellow for like an hour

mind you I beat Map19 a while ago

[undone river]

tysm

[cosmic pagoda]

No worries

[tulip garnet]

Why does half of doom 2’s soundtrack sound like elevator music?

Not saying it’s bad, but idk if some of it fits the levels it’s in

Particularly The Guntlet

[lucid flare]

well it's got some bangers like Into Sandy's City

also did you get that analogy from a civvie viseot

video

[cosmic pagoda]

shawns got the shotgun tho

that dissonant chord is brutal

https://tenor.com/view/celtic-frost-tom-g-warrior-first-wave-black-metal-gif-1612572860815484733

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aD2oM6J8-5k

[red token]

Original Arch-vile sprites he looks like he is mewing

[finite crag]

Been playing through Eviternity - are the Lost Souls nerfed? I feel like they have way less HP than they do in the base game.

[cosmic pagoda]

hp halved yeah

I love eviternity lost souls, much less pita

[finite crag]

sweet

yeah, agreed.l ol. way less annoying. pain eles too

[cosmic pagoda]

you playing the first one?

how are you liking it

[finite crag]

yeppers

[cosmic pagoda]

I loved the first one a lot, however the second one blew my mind

definitely do the second one after you done with first, so worth it

[finite crag]

still pretty early on, secret hunting in map 09 right now because i know there's two secret levels. liking it alot. only found the last map of "episode" 1 kinda eh. 05 i think.

promised to check out speed of doom after this to a friend, but i'll get to it after speed, sure thing lol

eviternity 2's kinda recent too isn't it

[cosmic pagoda]

yeah a month old

oh but its gorgeous

both musically and visually

and amazing gameplay

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUedGNuk6Zg

sooooo good

oops thats the first ones

oh map30 hasnt been uploaded for eviternity 2 ost yet

well map 30 midi is

so. damn. good

[finite crag]

lol. is evi 2 also 32 maps?

[cosmic pagoda]

36

each 5 map chapter has a secret level

[finite crag]

oh. btw i'm trying not to look anything up but. do you know which levels have the secret exits/secret levels in evi 1?

so i know when its worth to look around for secrets

[cosmic pagoda]

dont remember but if its like most doom2 pwads then probably 15 and 30

[finite crag]

ty ty

[cosmic pagoda]

yeah 15

its always gonna be 15 without some modern sourceport features, evi 2 uses em

IIRC mbf stuff is needed to alter it

because its hardcoded that secret levels exit to map16

[finite crag]

i like this one alot, on the note of music btw

https://youtu.be/_G7Q1oF9WfQ?si=ySn0JiNo64juqC4k

the :45~ ish mark where the piano (?) kicks in is really nice

[finite crag]

These episode 3 snow maps are 🙏🙏🙏🙏

psydoom has less than 50 mentions in this server smh

[tulip garnet]

No it’s just general vibes

[tulip garnet]

That one’s my favourite

[sharp tiger]

Hello, can you play doom 1993 on ps4 online in co-op?

[vale gyro]

sadly you can't

[sharp tiger]

🙁 ok thanks, how to get trophies online ?

[vale gyro]

rephrase a bit?

sorry, pretty tired right now

[sharp tiger]

Sorry i french

for trophies on ps4 on doom in multiplayer ?

Trophy *

[vale gyro]

you'd need someone playing with you in the same room sadly

shareplays may work if you got PS Plus

[sharp tiger]

Ok thanks you 😉

[red token]

Doom 1, Plutonia and No Rest For The Living are peak Doom. Doom 1 has a better level design than Doom 2, Plutonia has very amazing combat encounters and atmosphere, No Rest For The Living is a mix of both great level design and both good combat encounters

[hot egret]

Wait guys where can i get a good copy of brutal doom?

[vast reef]

you can't

that would require brutal doom to be good

[tulip garnet]

Look it up online I guess idk

[tulip garnet]

Brutal Doom’s reloading irrationally pisses me off

[red token]

Me too, I hate the reloadings in those mods (I think you can turn off reloading but still) because I am so used to Classic Doom and I find in situations where I am realoading in the middle of a horde of demons

[azure nimbus]

there are tons of vanilla-style mappacks out there if you want more of that stuff

[red token]

I know, I know, I play new wads regularly

I meant the peak in official classic doom campaigns, I know there are even far better wads

[azure nimbus]

nice

[tulip wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-retro-games-revenant-aaaaaa-gif-13261826

[vale gyro]

just listening to some of Decino's MIDI submissions for NERF and I gotta say, they're beautiful

[void hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/revenant-doom-doom2-jumpscare-gif-22108444

[pale finch]

+1 for nrftl's atmosphere too

[cosmic pagoda]

E2m6 is peak atmosphere and peak sandy and its a great map, fite me

[vale gyro]

anybody have a short WAD to recommend? Need a break from Doom 2 and my UDoom UV run

something a bit more for intermediate play?

and perferably something that doesn't need a ZDoom port

[halcyon willow]

tangerine nightmare

7? maps. boom or limit removing (can't remember which). cacoward winner

[royal heron]

I was about to suggest crumpets, but that's pretty hard lol

[mellow matrix]

Fallen Leaves is similar to Tangerine Nightmare in difficulty and color palette. Maybe slightly tougher.

[vale gyro]

checking it out

[raw pebble]

Doom

[finite crag]

Double Impact is short (about 9maps similar to Doom 1)

[vale gyro]

TN actually gives a fair challenge for my skill level, good suggestion!

[raw pebble]

The revenants

[vast reef]

<@&162901871168585728>

[odd geyser]

hi

[finite crag]

dmoo

[polar berry]

Finally beat sigil II

[hot steppe]

👍

[thick scroll]

👍

[finite crag]

doom 2

[ruby crater]

10x10 is ten levels that are fairly challenging but not insanely so

But depends on what u mean by short. You might consider 10 to not be short enough

[finite crag]

[pseudo tendon]

[undone river]

how tf do you kill the icon of sin

i hit the switch and then the pillar starts to rise

how do i get on the pillar

[sacred orbit]

I just beat Ep 2 in Ultimate Doom Hardcore Style game play. I'll be uploading the video soon on youtube

[finite crag]

While dodging the enemies, when the pillar starts to rise, run down and while standing on it - start firing with rockets the gap above the Icon of Sins head. Might take a few tries and to get the pillar to rise, if you turn 180degrees around, to the right there is an elevator made of flesh if not mistaken. Press the button to raise the pillar and repeat. A quicker way: use cheats to see what's inside

[finite crag]

[sacred orbit]

I think I'm starting to like playing doom without the hud. Makes it more fun and challenging.

[vast reef]

just play nightmare bro

[pale finch]

how's NERF btw

decino megawad that's specifically for nightmare

didn't play yet

[cosmic pagoda]

I agree

its incredibly more difficult in most cases but also a lot more fun

[cosmic pagoda]

the hell is hardcore style game play

[vast reef]

term he made up for no hud 100% kills fast monsters

kinda silly if u ask me

[cosmic pagoda]

ye

[cosmic pagoda]

just played through all 4 duke3d episodes, damn the nostalgia, so I guess its back to either nightmare doom 1 or continuation of my second, now on UV playthrough of Eviternity 2

beat it on hmp the first time heeded the warnings on the page

[slender coral]

super shotgun noises

[sacred orbit]

I sent you a replay in the #videos channel. If you ever played COD and BF3/4 Hardcore with no Huds? That's how I use to play. I got the hang of it pretty quick and did the Ep1 now uploading Ep 2 on youtube.

[undone river]

just finished doom 2

[sacred orbit]

I'm working my way up from doom 1.
Got 2 episodes done working on Ep3 then Final then Doom 2.

[finite crag]

Started again with Doom 1, then plan to get into Doom 2. I'll be looking at the official Addons afterwards (looking at a tolal of over 350 levels all up)

[lapis granite]

[mellow matrix]

pain elemental

[sharp latch]

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLuJq0wCtFHUQykLVoNcXCB9HJ92JISjwg

[shy frost]

. I' m way more old than 12, and I was just joking, i just had this idea after a stressing day of work; sorry I didn't meant to say bad things or make anyone angry. have a good day Sir.

[vale gyro]

it has been nearly 10 whole days man

[vast reef]

oh sorry, must've confused you with someone else with a similar username

it's fine, it's fine

[nocturne dove]

hey has anyone had trouble with slade's floor movement happening twice when you scroll the mouse wheel?

like instead of incrementing by 8 or 1 it happens twice with every scroll click to be 2 or 16

[amber fiber]

hi

[cosmic pagoda]

sounds kinda silly but you do you, as long as youre having fun

[sacred orbit]

Hey if it does? It does lol. I was having fun and gives me a bigger challenge.

[jovial wing]

anyone here plays alto sax or clarinet by any chance

[hard wolf]

I play Doom.

[jovial wing]

wow fr???!!?!

[radiant carbon]

I started playing through the ultimate doom again. Takes me back to when i was 6 watching my grandpa play doom. He sold old ibm compatibles i ,think they were called. Computers anyway. You think i would have been scared of demons but no. I was just hanging out with grandpa

[hard wolf]

Yeah, I started with an IBM Compatible back in the early 90's.

[void hemlock]

wow that's crazy bruh me too

[jovial wing]

no way same

[finite crag]

3 floppy disks to install the original Doom

[zenith berry]

Shareware version. Please distribute like crazy.

[bitter river]

is there a way to install midi soundfonts to GZDoom?

[remote cedar]

Yes, just find the midi files and add them to your soundfount folder

iirc there is one

[subtle aurora]

Hello

[umbral cairn]

spread the UNF by copy and paste

[radiant carbon]

Whats your favorite doom 2 level. So far mine is industrial zone. Though it had a lot of chain gunners

[remote cedar]

Refueling Base

[slender coral]

Classic DOOM in a nutshell: fuck looking up and down to aim!

*Increases spread for shotgun by 9^12

[radiant carbon]

Looking up and down was a luxury we didnt have

That was the 90s no one looked up or down

[remote cedar]

technically Quake did allow that in the 90s but we did have to wait

[radiant carbon]

I was joking like looking up and down in real life wasn’t invented yet

[remote cedar]

ah my bad

yeah real life patch allowed for us to look up and down after Quake's release

I guess zoomers don't know how good they have it nowadays

[radiant carbon]

Lol

[spice radish]

Earth updated to the newest version of idTech

[vale gyro]

nah Earth uses it’s own in-house 3D engine programmed in HolyC

[radiant carbon]

Had a friend ask me if he needed a gaming computer to play classic doom. Im like, “you can play doom on a refrigerator bro

[azure nimbus]

ok (it is nice for people who don't have big boy gaming pcs)

[golden needle]

Works on a pregnancy test 💀

[vast reef]

??

classic doom is known for having a shotgun w great range

[void hemlock]

Well if they were talking about Doom Eternal then it depends then

[vast reef]

i feel like you can doom eternal to run on low end if you fuck up the graphics enough

i havent tried solely bc of the filesizr

[cosmic pagoda]

idk I consider it one of romeros worst...

the pit had somewhat interesting fights in it in doom2 but that wad in general is kinda eh

[pale finch]

it runs on intestinal bacteria

you can play doom on literal shit

[radiant carbon]

Lol

[red token]

I love so much Thy Flesh Consumed

It has something that makes it so good, one of the best Doom experiences

Doom 1 in general is the best of the classic

[cosmic pagoda]

idk the middle maps and the secret maps are kinda lacking, map 1 and 2 are killer however

I guess thats true for e2 and e3 as well