classic-doom

[tiny rain]

3. Out of context memes kill conversations

This is by far something a lot of people have been bummed with. Since we got so many channels to pipeline discussions with like-minded people it could turn into a whole other mess if people just post random memes or other forms of content that can derail a whole conversation.

[finite crag]

Ah

You can post memes that have context

[sick mist]

Its really not that hard to understand.
Also... there are a gabillion other servers where u can post memes.
Doesnt hurt when you cant do it here.

[finite crag]

I have one that teaches a valuable lesson

does that count?

[sick mist]

No.

[finite crag]

that is what it says

ah well

I wish

Anyways how was your day?

[sick mist]

#rules-and-info

[sick mist]

Thats WHY we dont allow memes.

[finite crag]

Read the beginning pal

[sick mist]

Im not your pal.

[finite crag]

Sorry how was your day?

[finite crag]

Um ok. I hope your day was a good one

[tulip garnet]

I mean tbf, 75% of doom memes are unfunny anyway, so

[finite crag]

Debatable, but yeah true

[remote cedar]

75% of memes are unfunny, it's not just Doom it's everything 😔

[slow shore]

Anyone know of any plans for the 30th anniversary?

[hexed escarp]

Sigil 2 is releasing

[slow shore]

Sick, thanks!

[vale gyro]

I personally want to beat Doom 2 on the anniversary date, so if I get to map30, I aint gonna do it until then. Don’t know why I wanted to mention that

[zenith berry]

Which one do you believe, DOOM II's release date being September 30th, or October 10th?

[vale gyro]

I was gonna look it up to not sound stupid, why is there two answers?!

oh wait, at least to the wiki, the October release was the release party I guess?

[zenith berry]

Game had been available to play early on Sep 30th, iirc, but Oct 10th was the launch party.

I guess September 30th was the ship date? Or in other words, release to manufacturing.

[narrow condor]

Always stay on the move. If you stop moving, you get surrounded. Have an approximate route in mind to replenish pickups as you circle around the map.

I don't remember the specifics well enough to comment on monster priority but I can tell you to work on area denying monsters the most.

[shy kite]

is this channel for doom 1 and 2 ?

[silent remnant]

yes

[ruby crater]

@celest coyote released a video titled DOOM vs. DooM for the 30th anniversary. Besides that, there’s the sigil 2 wad release, but not much else unless other people got stuff in the works that they wanna keep hush-hush.

[low ore]

alright, I just wasn't sure because the mod I'm playing is meant to be played through multiple megawads

and I know that installing some stuff without starting a new save can cause crashes when trying to load the save

[hexed escarp]

im trying to beat sunder map02 but this freaking revenant fight is so dumb

[vale gyro]

aight thanks, I’ll keep it in mind!

[remote cedar]

Ok guys question
Do you guys ever convert MIDI music to OGG or MP3?
I'm trying to pull it off but there's always some sort of inconvenience happening:

• Keppy's MIDI Converter has tons of echo
• foobar2000 cuts off the end of a MIDI file
• GZDoom's writewave command cuts off after the end of the MIDI file
  How would you guys go about this?

[void hemlock]

To me I convert MIDI into OGG using OpenMPT

OpenMPT is probably the best way to go

[remote cedar]

Does it work with soundfonts?

[void hemlock]

I'm not sure, but I do know that OpenMPT supports different types of music files that are like MIDI

I do not have permission to send images, which I would, but that would be a hassle to try and bypass the link detector bot that is in this server as I know how to do that but don't wanna in this case

[remote cedar]

yeah I found it

I'll see if it fits me, thanks a lot!

[void hemlock]

Trust me, OpenMPT is GREAT for opening and creating MIDI and even other tracker files (aka the music files for other games like Doom)

For example you could open Second Reality from Purple Motion or Skaven252 with it if you download the .S3Ms from their Mod Archives pages and view it with OpenMPT and even export it in almost any streamble format, WAV, OGG, MP3, FLAC, etc.

Which you can also do the same with the Doom MIDIs, which I how I was able to export the 30+ early/unused MIDI Bobby Prince wrote for the games and I put them on TCRF for preservation and comparison purposes there

un20.mid is my favorite out of the unused MIDIs. It's a MIDI cover of Alice in Chains - Man in the Box but Doom styled basically

but anyways yeah I hope that solves your problem, best I could think of

[remote cedar]

That did actually solve my problem very well

The track that's exported isn't very loud but that's nothing Audacity can't fix

At least it loops well which was my concern in the first place

Thanks a lot for the work you put into the TCRF page of Doom by the way, that's a great help for both players and the industry

[void hemlock]

Thanks, I haven't really been at work recently on it but I will get back to it at some point this month

There is still a LOT more to go, as the Romero archive has a truck ton of textures and sprites that were changed over time throughout development

[ornate vortex]

i’m actually speedrunning that map so I can give some advice on how I do it. To get out most of the revs, I basically press the switch and run to that snake like structure and camp there, because most of the revenants appear and you can just rocket them there

there’s more revs in the building that can’t move to the outside bit and need a bit of luring so be careful going into the building that you don’t get cornered

[finite crag]

Bing says October 10th 1994

[silent remnant]

September 30 was the official release date. October 10 was the release party.

[limpid lintel]

That's right

[cerulean delta]

TIL there’s a Doom SCP

It’s just a copy of Doom that’s 468 megabytes and it’s some sort of organic zip bomb

[zenith berry]

I bet that’s DOOM bundled with like bunch of GZDoom mods

[hexed escarp]

Yeah probably

[molten coral]

Project brutality with 1000 addons

[vast reef]

complex doom addons bro

god complex is 3.4GB

not to mention you can pair that with a bunch of cosmetic mods

[molten coral]

True!

[zenith berry]

1000 addons that turn it into CoD

[molten coral]

God complex plus brutality extermination day

[vast reef]

that just doesn't work, i'm thinking god complex + cosmetics + insanely big gzdoom mapset + corruption cards if possible

[vast reef]

oh yeah those exist

there are actually mods/modpacks that do that, i forgot what they were called but i came across them on moddb

[fierce wadi]

would anyone be willing to help me with my doom wad?

[hexed escarp]

What do you need help with

[remote cedar]

Following up on this. I think I found the miracle solution, given OpenMPT's shortcomings:

• Export the MIDI file you want in any format with OpenMPT
• Export the same MIDI file with GZDoom's writewave command
• Open both as tracks in Audacity and crop the additional seconds of the GZDoom export using the length of the OpenMPT export
• Remove the OpenMPT export track and export the Audacity result as whatever you wish
  Since OpenMPT can't really manage soundfonts, you can always use GZDoom's writewave command to use the soundfont of your choice for the export. Crazy!

Oh and question: I see that the writewave command has to be used like this:
writewave <midi> <filename> [subsong] [sample rate] [synth] [soundfont]
I'm not sure what the synth parameter means. Does anyone know?

[zenith berry]

What do you guys use to create your own MIDI songs?

I used Anvil Studio but it was kinda hard to use.

I can do it in FL Studio but if I export it as one, the instruments revert to piano, and I have to go to Anvil to change the instruments.

[visual nest]

is quake and doom the same universe?

[silent remnant]

no

[visual nest]

k

can someone show me a wolfenstein and doom timeline

[silent remnant]

there really isn't one. those two universes aren't really connected either.

[narrow condor]

Quake isn't even in its own universe.

Quake, Quake 2 and Quake 3 have pretty much no relation to each other, save for the name.

[void hemlock]

quake 2 was going to be a different game literally called "gon" which tbh thats a stupid name

[silent remnant]

I think they juggled a few different titles for it but they were running out of time and couldn't decide so they just said fuck it let's call it Quake 2

[spice radish]

Pretty sure it was gonna be called “Wor” which is an equally as dumb of a name as “Gon”

[void hemlock]

Quake 2 is better, but then again it's not a true sequel of the original game

kinda a shame we are never getting a proper sequel for that game

[spice radish]

Classic Doom - Thy Flesh Consumed - Doom II - Doom 64 - DOOM 2016 - DOOM Eternal - The Ancient Gods Part 1 - The Ancient Gods Part 2

[spice radish]

Which is why a proper reboot of Quake 1 would be stellar. There’s so much creative freedom there and they could go all out on the Lovecraft inspirations and gothic themes

[void hemlock]

imagine in the reboot the creatures of quake 1 and the strogg are together within the same plain, I imagine it like the player's base in Quake 2 gets raided by the creatures of Quake 1, then you visit the slipgate and end up within the realm of Quake 1, then it is realized that all of your members are killed and were turned into Strogg

idk, that just something i thought about

[spice radish]

Personally I could care less about the Strogg there kinda boring as an enemy

Though the Stroggification scene in Quake 4 was done really well

[silent remnant]

Idunno I think cyborg aliens that have a purpose are way more interesting than not-demons from not-Hell

[void hemlock]

yeah but it would be nice to see them regardless

[spice radish]

Yeah the Strogg are kinda cool but Quake 2 and 4 where more or less Doom. We already have a space marine guy fighting monsters on some far off planet

[void hemlock]

A Quake reboot would DEFINITELY work if someone had the idea and vision like Hugo Martin

Hell maybe he could reboot it, who knows

[spice radish]

Hugo kept saying id Softwares next game would have combat that tops Eternals

[silent remnant]

"some far off planet" Dude Mars is literally next door. Also, Quake 1 felt way more like Doom thematically than Quake 2 or 4 did.

[void hemlock]

imo yeah I agree with that

[spice radish]

Ok that’s fair about Mars. But imo the only part of Quake 1 that felt like Doom is the first episode

[void hemlock]

Quake 1 feels more like original Doom than Quake 2

Quake 2 mainly feels like a knockoff Doom 1 tbh

[spice radish]

Quake 2 is mostly tech bases

Not saying Quake 2 is bad it’s pretty fun

[void hemlock]

Like this is what I thought Quake 2 looked like to me:

Imagine taking Doom 1, being able to look around, taking away most of the more colorful vision of Doom 1 and having more natural colors, replacing demons with cyborgs, make the UAC become more boring and too corporate-like, and have the whole map feel like Half-Life

I think I pretty much summed up what Quake 2 is

[silent remnant]

So in other words, a different game entirely.

[void hemlock]

yeah, exactly

like don't get me wrong, Quake 2 has some fun into it, but mainly throughout the whole game it's pretty much boring

[silent remnant]

"Imagine taking Doom, making it isometric, taking away the guns, adding a medieval fantasy town, and that's what Diablo feels like."

[void hemlock]

then again I haven't completed it yet, I've only seen 3 of the small map screen cutscenes in the game and faced like 2 of the bosses

I just hope when I get to the expansions, stuff gets better

Quake 1 certainly got better when I was playing Scourge of Armagon

As they intorduced new things

[pseudo rose]

sup

hello

[vast reef]

call it worgon instead

[ember canopy]

i just downloaded the zdoom sourceport and i dont know how to interact with buttons

help

am dumb

[hexed escarp]

e

[vast reef]

press e

@ember canopy

[ember canopy]

tried, didnt work somehow

[vast reef]

might need a key

what map is this?

[ember canopy]

e1m1, cant even press the switch behind the pillar in the armor room :/

the doors dont seem to work too

welp, time to reinstall ZDoom i guess

[low ore]

do you guys know any megawads similar to mapwitch

[molten coral]

Ok i open debate

Inbetween Doom 1 and 2, who has the better music?

[finite crag]

Doom 1 for m1e1 theme

[molten coral]

That's like saying Smb1 has the better music over Smb3 because of the ground theme tbh

[finite crag]

ok

doom 1 started the whole series

[void hemlock]

tbh Doom 2

Into Sandy's City 🎧

[molten coral]

Doom 1 has some really good ones like Deep into the code but i'm way more fond of Healer stalks and others

also hot take but i like running from evil over at dooms gate

[spice radish]

Gotta be Doom 1 for me. Yeah most of if not all the tracks are just taken from Metallica songs (I know there not ALL Metallica songs) but there still good

[molten coral]

I think Doom 2's tracks have a better pace

[spice radish]

Doom 2’s more like a jazz sorta feel. Still good stuff though

[molten coral]

Doom 1's feel like they go from high action songs to slow little melodies and it doesn't do it much for me

I should clarify this is all my opinion though

[molten coral]

Yeah exactly

[remote cedar]

Doom II music gives the series more of an identity than Doom 1993 so imma go with Doom II

[molten coral]

Agreed

[remote cedar]

(well, I say that, but they also ended up just ripping Them Bones from Alice in Chains for Bye Bye American Pie)

[spice radish]

Them Bones is such a good song

[remote cedar]

Oh it is, but it's clearly not a Doom original

[void hemlock]

then again other Doom songs are just rips and covers

hell there is a ton of unused MIDIs too as I think I've said earlier, which one of them is Alice in Chains - Man in the Box

[upper crypt]

2

[finite crag]

Doom 2 is something, I been struggling on map 10 on ultra violence, ultra violent is definitely hard compare to ultra violent on doom 1

[queen oxide]

guys i havent watched a tutorial yet, because i was hoping i could get an answer to how to beat map 28 the throne one

[finite crag]

Rott

[molten coral]

True!

[pure lotus]

Bethesda should make a game exactly like Doom 1 and 2 but instead of fighting demons you are a Jewish man fighting the Nazi's in World War 2

[vast reef]

so a different wolfenstein

[void hemlock]

Brutal Wolfenstein

[vale kettle]

thanks for the idea for the game; i think ill call it wolfenstein

also whoever created the plutonia experiments carefully crafting the absolute worst player experience but absolutely genius placing for chaingunners, revenants, and archviles

[narrow condor]

The infamous Casali brothers haha

What I love about Plutonia is that (most of) the maps and fights are actually quite fair (ie you don't need to rely on RNG to win) if you get used to its pace.

After some point you internalise the authors' design choices and become able to instinctively predict traps and fights even on your first playthrough of a map.

When I finished Plutonia and started playing other mappacks, I had become a very paranoid and cautious player that expected everything the map gives the player to have a price.

[dense plinth]

I haven't played plutonia yet, but I reckon when I do it won't be too bad given I usually savescum when playing levels for the first time

I do a blind runthrough to see what to expect and then maybe one or two more before I do a real runthrough trying to beat the level

[narrow condor]

Yeah, there's nothing in it you can't beat when playing with saves.

[dense plinth]

what I do try to do is complete the level from start to finish without savescumming

[narrow condor]

That might be a bit hard, especially on UV.

[dense plinth]

but I always place a new savepoint at the end of the level before I go onto the next level

[dense plinth]

I mean if I don't then I really do suck all the challenge out of it

[narrow condor]

Some maps like M10 are genuinely tough, and not for the right reasons.

[dense plinth]

oof

if it's anything like spear of destiny map 19 then I'll probably break my rule

[narrow condor]

Like, it's the kind of difficulty that makes you say 'oh my god FINALLY I'm free' when you beat it rather than 'hell yeah, that was great'.

[dense plinth]

cause that level in wolf3d is the only time I've broken my rule

[azure nimbus]

If you're going for challenge, try revisiting the levels some time pistol start. They're all balanced well for it(except map08 and 10)

[dense plinth]

yeah if it's that bad I'll probably break my rule, I'll just have to see how bad it is

[dense plinth]

I'm not going for pure challenge just yet

[narrow condor]

Plutonia feels especially hard when Final Doom wads are the first mappacks you play after having beaten Doom 2, but I suppose some tricks are dated and without shock value if you've already played a lot of modern mappacks.

Since Plutonia was fairly influential.

[dense plinth]

I mean I did a godmode runthrough like a year or 2 ago

[azure nimbus]

Plutonia is easily the most influential mapset after doom or doom2.

[dense plinth]

I know about stuff like the archvile maze and go2it

[narrow condor]

I'd agree, yeah.

[dense plinth]

what I haven't done is a real runthrough where I can die

which is what I'm doing now

I beat all of Ultimate Doom and Sigil on UV, now I'm on Doom 2

I'll probably do no rest for the living and tnt evilution before I do plutonia

[void hemlock]

Is it bad I'm wanting to do them after I beat Doom Eternal? I have no clue why I decided that

[narrow condor]

Doom Eternal? Like the new video game?

[void hemlock]

yes

[dense plinth]

going from Eternal straight to plutonia? good luck lol

[void hemlock]

I'm wanting to do Final Doom after I beat Eternal for some reason

[narrow condor]

I mean... It should help as much as having played any other unrelated FPS.

[dense plinth]

nudoom and oldoom play very differently

[void hemlock]

I know that

[narrow condor]

I recommend beating Doom 2 itself before but it's up to you naturally.

[dense plinth]

for one, quickswitching ain't a thing in oldoom

[void hemlock]

I've beaten 1, 2 and 64 already

[dense plinth]

ah well that's alright then

you're already well versed in it

[narrow condor]

In that case having played Doom Eternal has no bearing on how you play Plutonia.

[void hemlock]

I could guess that

[narrow condor]

For a second I thought you were talking about Eternal Doom.

[void hemlock]

lol no is that a mod or something for classic doom

[narrow condor]

It's a 1996 megawad by TeamTNT (and Team Eternal formerly).

Probably the most influential mappack in the adventure map style.

It's boring if you're into run-and-gun, but if you don't mind long maps involving keyhunts and puzzles, it can be quite fun.

[dense plinth]

Pain elementals in doom 2 are much worse than eternal

Like holy crap I dread pain elementals more than any other enemy

Cause they just don't stop spawning lost souls and lost souls are fucking bullet sponges

Sure the ssg 1 shots lost souls but I only have so much shotgun ammo and it can only fire so fast

[finite crag]

They have a limit, but it can be turned off in the settings in most source ports. Prioritize taking the Pain Elemental out first. If you get in it's face they can't spawn lost souls. At least not in Doom II.

[dense plinth]

I'm playing chocolate doom so I probably can't modify the spawn settings, nor do I want to really

[finite crag]

If you can't get that close Chaingun, or Plasma gun will stun lock it. With chocolate doom the vanilla limit for lost souls is active.

[dense plinth]

Ahh

Ty

[queen oxide]

is bj / wolfenstein or whatever his name is jewish?

[sick mist]

His mother i think at least is jewish?

[queen oxide]

ah, ive never played wolfenstein, other than map 31/32 of DoomII which doesnt really count. So, im unfamiliar with the story

[sick mist]

I do recommend all the wolfenstein games

good fun!

[spark torrent]

iirc judaism (ethnic) is maternally inherited? So ethnically yes, even if he's not religiously? (not jewish, not entirely sure how it works)

[dense plinth]

yeah his mother is Jewish so he is Jewish

by extension that makes Doomguy and Commander Keen also Jewish

if we follow the connected id universe canon, and was Jewish in said id universe canon

[spark torrent]

only if the mother converted/was jewish I think

[dense plinth]

she very much was in the flashbacks we see in The New Colossus

lol

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/642304323560407044/1131922009367003306/image.png

I killed appromiately 101% of the enemies on circle of death

[queen oxide]

revenant

[dense plinth]

The revenant doesn't count among the other enemies?

[vale gyro]

nightmare?

[dense plinth]

UV

[azure nimbus]

no it's the archvile

[vale gyro]

oh yeah, you’re right

[azure nimbus]

kills increase the counter and vile revives don't decrement it. this is fixed on some ports in the boom hud

[dense plinth]

ohhhhh right yeah, the archvile resurrected one of the imps when I was fighting it

that makes sense

[vale gyro]

not familiar with the map so I did not assume of an archie

[dense plinth]

it's the first map an archie appears in Doom 2

also known as O of Destruction

[vale gyro]

I’ve beat the map

[dense plinth]

but it's called Circle of Death ingame

[vale gyro]

just forgot everything about it

[dense plinth]

ahh

[vale gyro]

also well

did not recognize the name, half awake, y’know?

[dense plinth]

fair

[thorn mulch]

(I ’m new to discord) how do I get the ability to post images?

[void hemlock]

In mostly every where else, there should be a (+) icon on the left side of the chat box, but it seems that people who are newer here or don't have much roles in this server can't post images in channels

[void hemlock]

mini spider

[sterile citrus]

Anyone wanna co play Doom?

I want to beat it on Nightmare

[steel lion]

Geez dude calm down

[dense plinth]

They can, they just need to use the image link

As this server has direct upload disabled

Usually it's easy enough if you set up a private server to dump all your images into to get the links for them there

[void hemlock]

one sec

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/505038972758654989/1131680561606430720/image.png

Ok huh it does work

didnt know that, I thought the bot would flag embed images since all other links to other sites seemed to be blocked

thanks for the info

Will be a lot more useful to demonstrate things now

[gusty falcon]

Anyone have any suggestions for good megawads with bite sized maps.

I've got so far:
Zone 300
10 sectors
Scythe
Claustrophobia 1024

[narrow condor]

Congestion 1024

3x3 as well, actually. The maps aren't technically limited by area but the other limitations make it pretty hard to make long maps that aren't tedious, so you can finish each map during a coffee break.

[azure nimbus]

lost magic, haste, flotsam in that order from casual to tough to ridiculously hard. All relatively short maps except maybe the last flotsam map is pretty long

[ornate vortex]

crumpets is pretty bitesized, but it’s difficulty towards the end is pretty hard

but crumpets isn’t a megawad

it’s only got 9 maps

[azure nimbus]

oh yeah, go for crumpets. Even the title of the wad and maps is "bitesized"

[ornate vortex]

i’m thinking of doing a uv-fast and i’m trying to decide what wad to do it with

I was gonna go for rush maps 1-6 since afterwards is basically impossible

[dense plinth]

plutonia

[ornate vortex]

i bet the uv-fast table for plutonia will be ridiculous

i’ll have a look because that’s actually a good idea

Oh wow, it’s surprisingly not too bad

[narrow condor]

Some Plutonia maps are annoyingly long, especially for a first playthrough.

Like M27 where it's very easy to lose your bearings.

[errant imp]

why does sunlust not have sound?

says im missing a bunch of patches when i boot it up

nvm i was loading it as an iwad in zdl

[upper crypt]

Just got my PC set up, how can I download Doom and play multiplayer?

[void hemlock]

If you have a steam account, you can buy Doom 1 or 2 for $5

I'm pretty sure it's also on other storefronts too if you don't have steam

and then for multiplayer if you want, you could probably host a game from the platform you are playing on

BUT if you don't want to do that, there is source ports that can be used for multiplayer such as Odamex

[cerulean delta]

Not sure if this is the best place to ask this but my new roommate wants to play doom with me. The problem is he doesn’t have the use of his left hand. That limits him to keyboard only, mouse only, or gamepad. Anyone know where I could find some good accessible control schemes?

The Unity port isn’t that great for accessibility so I know I’m setting him up with a port where he can rebind every control, and he might be using a gamepad.

[cerulean delta]

Update: I’ve found several mice with joysticks on them, those would all be good for playing Doom

Where the scroll wheel selects weapons, right click is use, and the joystick is movement

[zenith berry]

What happened with his left hand?

[cerulean delta]

Would rather not get into his medical history, but the long story short is he doesn’t have one

[narrow condor]

It could be a bit pricey but you could get a left-handed mouse with a whole bunch of macro keys on the side for strafing with the thumb. (And quick access to the arsenal.)

https://youtube.com/watch?v=dHiR2cWqDbs

Mouse mobility is more important than fast keyboard access, in my opinion.

With a regular old mouse, your best option is assigning strafe key to the right (or rather nondominant) mouse button and use key to the middle mouse button, and using left-right mouse movement for turning. It takes a while to get used to switching between strafing and turning and you won't be able to do both at the same time, however.

[void hemlock]

couldn't using the old way to move around in the game using the arrow keys and ctrl key work too or is that truly outdated?

[narrow condor]

There are also 3D printable schematics for attachments for gamepads (like the Xbox controller) that allow single-handed use, but I have no idea how comfortable they would be for Doom.

[void hemlock]

I know it's extremely outdated for mostly everyone, but you can use one hand for it

[narrow condor]

You need two hands for that.

If your hand is only on arrows and RCtrl, you won't be able to strafe, use, or switch weapons.

Without taking your hand off and moving it to the other end of the keyboard, that is.

[void hemlock]

Then again there is still ways but it's depending on what keyboard you use

[narrow condor]

There are single-handed keyboards produced by companies like Maltron but they're ridiculously expensive.

[vast reef]

foot pedals maybe

[void hemlock]

I imagine using the number pad could be used for switching weapons with one hand

[vast reef]

you would have to stop moving and turning lol

no way to do keyboard doom with one hand

[void hemlock]

no you dont? you move your pinky on what number to press

[vast reef]

isn't that too far or is my keyboard different

[void hemlock]

I guess I'm too different

the number pad for me is a lot closer ig

[vast reef]

you know you could just rebind the arrow key setup to, say, ijkl

[void hemlock]

that's another viable option

[vast reef]

hotkeys around it for weapons

space and something else for use and shoot, pinky for strafe?

[void hemlock]

that could work

but yeah overall there is definitely ways to have Doom be able to be accessible for everyone

I mean if Doom can run on anything, anything can work with Doom I guess

[finite crag]

I had a horrible one handed doom controls scheme

Where I would use a and d to turn, so you could use alt for strafing

I have zero idea why I thought it was a good idea when I decided to bind it

[bright falcon]

is there any way to play co-op online

[narrow condor]

Yeah, many source ports support netplay.

One player hosts a game and others join.

[bright falcon]

unity port doesnt have netplay right?

[narrow condor]

I don't know but I'm guessing so.

[bright falcon]

can you suggest a source port that has netplay

''recommend''

[narrow condor]

I use GZDoom, which I know supports it, but I play single-player exclusively, so someone more qualified can make better recommendations.

[azure nimbus]

odamex is a solid choice for multiplayer. Zandronum is also popular

[bright falcon]

Thanks

[vast reef]

zandro has wayy better mod support

[finite crag]

GG BOISSS
knee deep in the dead

that was my first time playing doom 1993

else it feels weird playing classic doom after doom eternal and its dlcs

[hexed escarp]

when did the plutonia midi pack song for map13 get a name?

it was called untitled for a while but recently when i checked the wiki it was called 'Tomb of the Unknown Soldier'

[ancient owl]

i beat doom 1 on ultra violence with the maps of chaos mod pack

[gusty falcon]

@ancient owl good job

Claustrophobia 1024 I had to stop after map 3 or 4because it really isn't my thing

When you have platforming section with tiny pillar platforms on map 2 with a revanent shooting at you while you're doing it i could see the writing on the wall already

From there the map design seemed to get more and more map puzzle focused

[ancient owl]

yeah i get that

it was a ton of fun though and i'm planning on doing doom 2 with maps of chaos

or playing open world doom

[hexed escarp]

there are so many doom midis that i wish had full instrumental covers

[spice radish]

I wish Andrew Hulshult did a remake of the Doom II ost

[astral drum]

Is it banned to talk abt || rootpain.wad || here due to it being an execution of a fetus

[spice radish]

Read the rules then decide for yourself.

[vast reef]

no we talked about it before

[azure nimbus]

Looks like trash. Almost no gameplay or aesthetics. And I think making a wad, explicititly to be controversial is pretty silly. The most influential artists have important messages that happen to be controversial. Just trying to make people upset is more in the realm of troll wads. If he was just trying to be funny, yaknow, whatever. But reading the doomworld post, his clear mission is to be controversial, explicitly so.

[vast reef]

true

rootpain sucked, wasn't even a good horror wad

[azure nimbus]

what's controversial: Magnolia. Putting a secret that you need to glide to? You crazy? Flotsam map01: you have to nukage rhythm on the platforms?

[vast reef]

true horror

[ornate vortex]

rootpain is on the same level as a terry wad

[hexed escarp]

Yeah

And I wish that someone would do one of the Eviternity ost

And maybe the plutonia midi pack

[remote cedar]

According to the Doom Wiki there are plans to keep going with the Doom II OST but given Hulshult's involvement with the series we don't know for sure if he has the time/will to keep working on it

I personally think we can't really rely on Hulshult to keep remaking tracks from the Doom II OST in the future, so I've been looking for alternatives

And while still in the works I find this guy in particular to be a good fit for a whole Doom II OST remake https://youtu.be/x0Ooli0v1S8

He's going in a direction that's not quite Hulshult's with IDKFA. It's something that seems to be inspired by it but also incorporates a Doom Eternal feel to it.

The best example I can give for what I'm talking about is his Countdown To Death remix which is the best I've ever heard (and I don't even like Countdown To Death to begin with): https://youtu.be/FckWCtmaqOM

So far he's only remade these two tracks along with In The Dark and Into Sandy's City

but I say he has tons of potential

[hexed escarp]

I really like the style of hulshults remakes

His nobody told me about id is an absolute masterpiece

It's too epic for the level it was made for

Altho one time I put it as the music for go 2 it and it matches that really well

[keen patrol]

Hello fellow slayers

[ruby crater]

Never heard of rootpain.wad but it sounds like a silly form of a ghoul’s forest. I know nothing about the wad in all honesty. Just one level I assume?

[remote cedar]

yeah, but it's not about anything silly. It's about an abortion.

[ruby crater]

Sounds super edgy. I thought lillith.pk3 was at least an experience I found engaging enough to finish

[vast reef]

it's not like ghoul's forest lel

stupid "dark" wad where you kill a fetus and nothing really happens

[hexed escarp]

I wish that we could just nuke doom.fandom.com out of existence

[stoic vale]

Poop

[void hemlock]

I have the most dumbest idea when I wake up tomorrow.

I wake up, plug in my amp and guitar, record samples of the guitar on different settings, then replace samples within Doom 1 and 2's MIDIs

[vast reef]

that's possible if you can get in touch with (and convince) the admins

[ruby crater]

What’s wrong with doom.fandom?

[vast reef]

nothing much, it's just that even though doomwiki.org is more reliable and has more content, doom.fandom.com comes up first in search results because fandom is a bigger site

[ruby crater]

Wdym by content? Like more conversations on the forums?

[void hemlock]

the fandom wiki lacks on some things, while doomwiki.org has more established content

[vast reef]

^

[zenith berry]

It’s either lack on things or too many things.

DoomWiki.org meanwhile keep them balanced.

[hexed escarp]

Also doom.fandom has ads

[narrow condor]

That's not enough. It often happens that a Fandom Wikia wants to shut down (because they're moving to their own platform rather than stay on that bloated ad-ridden mess with a dubious approach to copyright) but the Fandom.com itself just boots the mod team and instates people willing to keep maintaining the content.

So having a mediocre-quality Fandom Wikia (usually run by literal children) existing side-by-side with a community-approved standalone wiki is a common sight.

[hexed escarp]

This is probably gonna happen with minecraft

They are trying to move from fandom

[vast reef]

jesus

[split jewel]

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/137976-frequently-used-music-in-doom-pwads/

[waxen drum]

I've got a strange question, anyone know how to get a hud wad to work with 21:9?

[finite crag]

how to make a doom wad 101

1. steal lee jackson music

[split jewel]

yes

[finite crag]

isn't there one wad that steals like
every song from rott

i wonder how many steal strife ost it's pretty catchy

[remote cedar]

By the way I just found out the guy who made these Doom II Redux tracks is named Sebastian Ramirez Avila, if he's here I would like to let him know his renditions are absolutely amazing

[trail mesa]

How tf I download wads too lazy to Google and to YouTube

I got the STEAM (HAMS) version

[remote cedar]

The Steam version has you make a Bethesda account to download some wads but not all of them

I personally recommend not using the Steam version for wads

[trail mesa]

Yeah I'm playing the revolution one rn

[remote cedar]

Hell the Steam port is pretty bad at times

[trail mesa]

What version you recommend?

[remote cedar]

I recommend downloading GZDoom if you want to play mods

But I also use dsda-doom for vanilla stuff

You can grab the official wads from your Steam files

As for the wads you can download from the Steam version I suggest just getting them from the Doom wiki

This is the list of wads: https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Official_add-ons

[finite crag]

Bruh im about to get this game three times 💀once from doom eternel twice from buying it and three times from ps plus premium

And i havent even finished the first mission 💀💀💀

[void hemlock]

Then you get it again on Doom 3 BFG Edition!

[vale gyro]

do it

[spice wave]

dsda doom? I'm unfamiliar with the acronym

[loud garnet]

just got doom to run on a battleship board

i invented it yesterday

[azure nimbus]

Doom Speed Demos Archive has been the host of the doom speedrun leaderboards for a long time now. Fairly recently, devs related to that project have designed a sourceport, DSDA Doom, that is great for playing to DSDA rules and has a lot of functionality in terms of vanilla, boom,mbf, or the new mbf21 standard. It has controller support too

[spice wave]

Ah! Thanks.

[junior geyser]

Send screenshot

[finite crag]

Best song from the Doom 1993 soundtrack other than at dooms gate!

For me I love
Mouth Of War

[royal heron]

hm

probably e3m1

which is basically mouth of war

lol

[spice wave]

I don't know them all, especially not by name, but I really love the first level's music.

[zenith berry]

Man, I own it on my PC, on my Switch, and on my original Xbox (via DOOM 3 Collectors Edition)

[void hemlock]

un20.mid

jokes aside, E1M9, Hiding the Secrets

Basically Alice in Chains - We Die Young (as the earlier version of the MIDI was almost a direct cover)

Drumbeat is the same, mainly with a tempo change

[ornate vortex]

Most of doom's IWAD midis just consist of copied guitar riffs that are somehow changed into 12 bar blues

[remote cedar]

Kitchen Ace (And Taking Names) without hesitation

It's my favorite track in the entire franchise

Also, Mouth Of War? Which one is that??

[tulip garnet]

Classic doom? More like

Doom (1993), Doom 2: Hell on Earth (1994) and Final Doom (1996)

[ornate vortex]

E3M1?

that one doesn’t have a title

[remote cedar]

Oh you mean Untitled / Hell's Keep

[ornate vortex]

yeah

[remote cedar]

add Doom 64 to that and we'll be good on Classic Doom

[zenith berry]

The complete classic DOOM collection has since included 64, so safe to say it’s part of it.

[vocal summit]

probably something from tnt

[remote cedar]

D0M0 said it was E3M1

[dusky sierra]

GZDoom is suddenly VERY laggy for me all of a sudden, is it because I'm possibly putting too many mods in the same file?

[zenith berry]

Too many mods that spans over gigs.

[atomic dust]

I like how all Classic Doom games, with the exception of the Master Level, have enemies as the game icons

Cacodemon for Ultimate Doom, Lost Soul for Doom II and Icon Of Sin for Final Doom

[echo tartan]

I need help, I want to make classic doom MIDI music but I can't find a tutorial

what program do I use?

[void hemlock]

Yeah Mouth for War was the Pantera song inspiration to “Untitled”

[finite crag]

It should be the theme for the e3m1 but for specific versions of the game I think

[echo tartan]

that's how i was introduced to pantera

good band

same thing wiith alice in chains

[void hemlock]

Pantera I got introduced to with the game Terraria (my favorite game ever btw, anyone play that here?) as they have a whole boss that is named after the band but in a punny way

Alice in Chains I've heard since I was like 4 years old, first song I heard was Man in the Box, still my favorite

[echo tartan]

hehe that's neat

what was the boss called?

[void hemlock]

"Plantera"

[void hemlock]

which btw yeah she's LITERALLY a plant

And she even has a rare drop of a guitar called "The Axe" which literally serves as an axe which also plays notes on certain intervals when your cursor is at different heights

[vast reef]

*mouth for war

[dusky sierra]

Way over gigs for me.

If I got a penny for everytime I downloaded a Doom Mod that I will never use again after trying it out the first time.

I would've gained around 100 bucks

[spice wave]

Man. Thy Flesh Consumed is a huge jump in difficulty after Inferno

I'm surprised I could even beat e4m1 on UV

[dawn valley]

i just mandela'd myself

were the powerup spheres in doom always anchored to the floor, or did they ever float?

[void hemlock]

Boy you’ve seen nothing yet

Nightmare is a whole other beast

On the entire episode

[void hemlock]

Wait, anchored to the floor? They always float don’t they?

[zenith berry]

Berserk is the only powerup that is laid on the floor, if that counts.

Since it’s essentially a black medkit in appearance.

[dense plinth]

only the first 2 levels, they are absurdly difficult

the rest of the chapter is probably still more difficult than Inferno, but not by much

level 6 is the hardest after the fitst two

[finite crag]

It is done

Tho now im stuck on the credits scene

Am i just supposed to quit the game

Ah i see i quit and i have to choose the episode got it

The gameplay is sick tho i find its super confusing where to go and the flashing lights aint it

[zenith berry]

You can just start a new game right away without having to quit.

[remote cedar]

I made an album version of the tracks in myhouse.wad

I kinda wish we had an official soundtrack album or something, as a treat

[zenith berry]

Does that also include the standard Running from Evil or just the altered ones from the mod?

[remote cedar]

I also included the standard tracks the mod uses

Title, Running From Evil, The Healer Stalks, Intermission

[ruby crater]

Myhouse has yet to been experienced by these eyes

Except for like ten minutes where I stumbled into a blue mirror world

Where is my Hell Revealed 3

NOT Holy Hell Revealed

[spice radish]

E4M6 was the only level that gave me trouble after E4M1 and E4M2

[grizzled ingot]

I'm trying to stream Gzdoom to my friend on discord, but everytime I do, the game lags a lot, to the point where it's unplayable. With or without mods. Does anyone else have this issue?

Also, is there any way to play coop on vanilla doom, GZDoom, or Brutal Doom?

[spice wave]

I use LogMeIn Hamachi to simulate a LAN and play GZDoom multiplayer via that.

your commandline is "gzdoom -iwad doom.wad -host 2 -warp 1 1 -skill 4"

the other player uses "gzdoom -iwad doom.wad -join (your hamachi ip)"

[grizzled ingot]

Where do I download that

Also, how do I look at a WAD's levels on Doom Builder

[spice wave]

you can get it at vpn.net

As for doombuilder, I don't know

[vast reef]

just use zandronum for brutal doom or vanilla, gz mp is too much of a hassle

[ornate vortex]

I think i've finally found a wad that i'm gonna play through without having anything extremely challenging

It's still hard but it's more manageable than Sunder

[zenith berry]

I wonder if there are similar mods like MyHouse.wad and The Thing You Can't Defeat?

Something like surreal horror that only shows off its grim side towards the end.

[azure nimbus]

not really but zandronum is fairly similar to gz and is multiplayer

[ornate vortex]

Lillith.pk3 is something i'd highly recommend if you wanna indulge into horror wads. It's not as progressive as MyHouse but it's really unique in terms of the stuff that's out there.

However it will hurt your eyes

[zenith berry]

Played that one too.

[vast reef]

what wad

[ornate vortex]

haste

[vast reef]

nice

[ornate vortex]

It has some hard maps but nothing too challenging

[pseudo willow]

I’m tryna get the trophies for beating coop on nightmare but I don’t have anyone and I’m useless on me own lol

[azure nimbus]

It's local only, so if you want an actual second player, you'll need that shareplay ps4 stuff or some hijinx on pc.

it's not as hard as it sounds since you can respawn in coop

[narrow condor]

A trick I just discovered(?): If you're pumping rockets into a crowd of hell nobles and you have your back to a dead end wall (ie you lose if you can't kill them all before they fill the room), try to stay as close to them as possible without taking splash damage. The closer you are, the more likely they are to stop and hurl fireballs instead of trying to walk closer to you, which slows them down. (Doesn't work with purely melee monsters like pinkies or monsters with hard to dodge projectiles like mancubi though. Also a completely moot point for Nightmare! difficulty.)

This is assuming it's not an option to keep them to one half of the corridor to eventually run past them, since staying close to them would make them pile up and clog the entire corridor.

[azure nimbus]

It does work for pinkies. Running up to them right up close forces them to melee. Might not be super reliable with rockets but it's a thing. High level ideas, getting close to give yourself time

[grizzled ingot]

I thought that was only for ZDoom

And how does zandronum work in the first place?

[analog wolf]

Helo

[narrow condor]

I suppose it'd work with pinkies (and even revenants if you can reliably whiff their punches) if you're using BFG instead of the rocket launcher, but getting cornered is much less of a problem with BFG.

[azure nimbus]

Sometimes if you nestle near a small group of revs, you can use the front ones to body block the others and the close ones don't attack due to the dumb rev ai not attacking when you're close or pain state

[narrow condor]

I love how in the presence of a monster-blocking linedef, the safest place in the arena to be in can be right under the nose of a revenant horde.

[junior geyser]

https://youtu.be/fx5SGMvOnSc would this be considered a meme cuz I know we’re not allowed to post memes/shitposts

[void hemlock]

Plutonia much? Lmao that's good

[spice wave]

did you make this? It's hillarious

[junior geyser]

Sadly no, it was a video I found

But it’s amazing

[zenith berry]

Marphy himself of course made it.

[vast reef]

doom with multiplayer capabilities

you ever host a server for other games?

same thing here, set one up at allfearthesentinel.com

[vast reef]

also zandronum and gzdoom both stem from zdoom

there are zand-exclusivr features and gz-exclusive features

some mods work on both, some only on zand, some only on gz

brutal doom works on both

[spice wave]

Mmm, brutal doom

[vocal summit]

and extra ludicrous bugs!

how dare you talk about zandro without mentioning the bugs

[spice radish]

Brutal Doom

[spice wave]

Not a fan?

[spice radish]

The weapons are fine and so are the monsters. It’s just the stuff regarding the creator and not to mention needless edginess

Flipping off demons is so stupid not to mention people have come in here saying how Brutal Doom is the definitive way to play Classic Doom

[spice wave]

I enjoy me some brutal doom but claiming it's the definitive way to play is ridiculous. It's just a good mod.

Can't speak about the creator being a muppet because I don't know what happened, myself

[spice radish]

The mod has some good stuff (mostly Andrew Hulshults incredible soundtrack) I like some of the weapons (though the shotgun sound hurts my ears and the assault rifle kinda sucks)

The new gore effects are pretty neat. Just over the top gore mods like Brutal Doom aren’t really my style

I can handle the gore just it gets sort of boring after a while.

[spice wave]

That's fair.

[vast reef]

brutal doom headshots are OP

[remote cedar]

imo the best way to play Classic Doom is with freelook, no autoaim, then install the IDKFA soundtrack, HD sound effects and Voxel Doom

Keeps the Classic Doom feel

[vast reef]

freelook and no autoaim lets you cheese shit

[remote cedar]

While that's true I hate the feeling of being restricted in vertical aim

It makes my neck physically hurt

[vast reef]

it's not necessary in doom so it never really felt wrong to me

best way 4 me is a faithful port like dsda or crispy with the vanilla smooth doom wad

[remote cedar]

What's that?

[vast reef]

maybe gz with some of those fancy cosmetic mods that add stuff like dithering, then i'll add the hd sounds mod

[vast reef]

smooth doom but it works with vanilla

crispy doom, the original DOS, etc.

[remote cedar]

Is smooth doom the mod that gives you smooth animations for your weapons

[vast reef]

yeah

[hexed escarp]

wait how the hell does that work, where does it get the extra frames

[vast reef]

check the wad urself, i forgot

[hexed escarp]

im looking at it, and to me it looks like its replacing existing frames from enemies and decorations

so i dont understand

[grizzled ingot]

Does anyone have the full map for Myhouse.wad? Or know where to find/get it?

[void hemlock]

its on doomworld

[narrow condor]

Map as in the file or what the automap displays?

The latter is on DoomWiki: https://doomwiki.org/w/images/1/12/My_House_map.png

[vale gyro]

as a person who has not even touched GZDoom in like 2 years, Myhouse’s map layout looks interesting to me

[hexed escarp]

its basically seamless portal spam

[vale gyro]

I could tell, but I was expecting more of it to be interconnected tbh

[hexed escarp]

OH DAMN

wait nvm

im stupid

[vale gyro]

don’t get how

[hexed escarp]

what do you not get

[vale gyro]

this

[hexed escarp]

oh i just was confused for a second

[vale gyro]

oh

[grizzled ingot]

Shouldn't there be more there? I remember there being something directly under the plane.

[narrow condor]

All room-over-room effects are done with silent teleporters, so it's gotta be somewhere out of the way on the map.

[grizzled ingot]

I understand how it works, it's just that I've been looking for a full automap. I remember seeing a pdf file that had an automap with more areas on it, I just don't know how to get it.

[narrow condor]

I don't see how there could be more since there's no other way to do this with GZDoom.

[grizzled ingot]

I'm gonna try to find the pdf file to see

[grizzled ingot]

Am I permitted to send links?

[spice wave]

I don't think links are allowed?

It deleted my link when I posted it

[mortal prairie]

[grizzled ingot]

Well, regardless, it's the first reddit post that shows up when you search "myhouse.wad guide". On that post there is a Google drive pdf. The very last page contains somewhat of an automap of the wad. Said automap has more things than the one on the doom wiki

[edgy drum]

Alert, alert, Junkfood 2 just dropped: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXeExWt_Fjc

[hexed escarp]

Is it weird that I find watching zero masters sunder gameplay to be actually really relaxing?

[spice radish]

MyHouse is such a wack ass experience. Pretty cool to see the first time around

[wise latch]

anyone knows why the fuck my GZ DOOM suddenly can't load any save from any game without getting a "very fatal error" and hard crashing?

[finite crag]

i dont know.

[zenith berry]

Silent teleporter and portals

[spice radish]

Maybe just a corrupted save?

[ornate vortex]

Does anyone know any strategies for the final fight in Haste map 2

because I seemingly just can't get past it

no matter how hard i'm trying

[pearl sigil]

[wise latch]

I figured it out. Forgot to load one of the mods that was used for that saved game

[wise latch]

Is it like THAT vendigo room in Hexen?

[gusty falcon]

i didn't think i'd ever be killing demons to wind waker music

[chrome path]

https://www.moddb.com/mods/voxel-doom-ii/addons/voxel-doom-ii

[ornate vortex]

It's okay, i've beaten the map now

I found a strategy that works like 75% of the time

[zenith berry]

Thinking of making my own Vanilla Eternal mod. I mean, I have made 1993-styled sprites of some Eternal health items.

Some question: if I want to use an existing sprite from another mod, should I ask direct permission from the authors, or can I just credit them outright in the readme and others?

[remote cedar]

Ask them for permission

It's always safer

[tulip garnet]

beat doom 1 for the first time

the spider mastermind was the single easiest final boss ive ever experienced lmao

[spice wave]

It's a rite of passage in a boomer shooter to have underwhelming bosses lol

[spice radish]

Doom may have had easy bosses but at least it had bosses

I wish Quake had legitimate boss fights

Quake II had actual boss fights

[azure nimbus]

oftentimes, readmes of wads or doomworld posts will tell you. Otherwise, ask. Though more than likely, they won't mind

[tulip garnet]

ok, but 3 bfg shots.

[dense plinth]

Best boss in UD is either Cyberdemon at the end of chapter 2 or the two barons at the end of chapter 1

[hexed escarp]

I feel like the bfg existing makes it really difficult to make a good bossfight, because either you balance the health around normal weapons and it gets way too easy, or you balance it around the bfg and then it’s way too hard around people who don’t have it

[vast reef]

modded boss fights can get pretty sick

doom is at its best against multiple enemies anyway

[tulip garnet]

Imagine a boss having a high resistance to plasma energy

[narrow condor]

That's why you don't place any cell pickups in the map. :-P

If they want to use the BFG, they gotta make that shot count.

(Doesn't have to be this extreme but ammo-deprived BFG can go a long way.)

[finite crag]

Hi chat

bye chat

[narrow condor]

Do monster-blocking linedefs stop knockback movement?

[azure nimbus]

yes

[narrow condor]

And yet, mapmakers don't put them around edges of death pits where monsters can be Boom'd off...

[queen oxide]

[modest galleon]

Any l33t playstation gamer can help me pass lvl 20 to 30 doom 2 in shareplay at nightmare?

[hot steppe]

[remote cedar]

I've been playing TNT

man the maps are ass so far

I'm on map04

[molten coral]

Is betray worth Playing?

[vale gyro]

[halcyon elm]

I beat TNT the other day actually

I wasn't that bad as people say, but it's not exactly a super masterpiece

Map 30 was just hard as hell to understand

[leaden horizon]

What's the worst enemy in doom

[spice wave]

Personally I hate the revenants the most. I know the meme is Lost Souls and Pain Elemenetals but I didn't really mind them that much

[spark torrent]

archvile

[vale gyro]

I don’t know why but I spite spider demons

But really it’s the cyber I genuinely hate

[void hemlock]

spiderdemon isn't that bad at all imo

are you talking about the main games/tnt/plutonia?

[vale gyro]

Mainly with Dis

As there is no cover

[vale gyro]

And Cyber due to E4 of UDoom

But if there is cover, I have no issue with spider demons

And the spider demon in E4 was pathetically easy

(Mind you I play on HMP because I’m a total loser lmao)

[void hemlock]

yes there is? the middle of the map has those doors that open but it's just enough cover to defeat her

[void hemlock]

E4M6 has the invuln sphere unlocked and the BFG area unlocked in certain parts when you have the red key

the cybers I think in the other ones are more easier than that one though

In fact all cyberdemons from Doom 1 have some sort of items or cheesing you can do to easily defeat them

[vale gyro]

Aware of the invulns

[vale gyro]

Also there’s that, mainly holding a grudge I guess

Just that the spider almost always takes a weird angle for me and it is always at an angle where she can shoot me through the doors and it annoys the shit outta me

[void hemlock]

yeah hitscan can be weird like that

i mean take a look at chaingunners in the 2nd game they're worse than her kekw

sure chaingunners fire a normal (but even more ranged out) chaingun and dont fire in bursts of 3 like spiderdemon but they're far more aggressive and they're worse in groups

[molten sequoia]

hey am i the only one who gets weird beeping noises on e2m7

[ruby crater]

Every copy of Doom is personalized

[molten sequoia]

what?

[narrow condor]

I like that cyberdemons can add so much flavour to complex fights. They're much easier to use than spider masterminds in a map too. Not a fan of duelling them in cramped spaces though.

[chilly pebble]

is doom guy left handed?

[vast reef]

yes

[chilly pebble]

cool

[azure nimbus]

It's just because they held the camera with one hand and the toy gun with the other so prioritized the camera hand. I think the shotgun is held righthanded but the pistol is lefty

[vast reef]

doomguy is ambidextrous 🤔

[vast reef]

do you guys think any WRs have been set on a mobile port?

[fiery hazel]

doom part?

[vast reef]

what

[fiery hazel]

doom on mobile?

[void hemlock]

it's on the iOS app store

dunno about Google play though

[vast reef]

there are the official mobile ports, freedoom, and delta touch

delta touch outclasses all of them by far

[fiery hazel]

Understood

[fast temple]

Most consistent way of beating the pain elemental fight in Barrels o' Fun? The rest of the map is easy to beat consistently, but this one can easily go wrong

[zenith berry]

BFG?

[void hemlock]

I think to have things more thoughtful, how about we think as if we pistol started the map

what could we use then cause I don't think barrels of fun had a BFG, then again I'm not sure bc I only played the map once

[fast temple]

Pistol start, single segment, that's what I'm going for. I managed to beat it, but that section is still luck-based, at least for me

[fast temple]

There's a BFG in a later section.. well, now that I think about it, you could get the BFG then go back, but I need to try it out

[eager halo]

doom guy has a arm on his chest thats how he shoots

[fast temple]

He wears his sleeve on his heart

[grizzled temple]

Best doom mod?

[vast reef]

my favorite "genre" of mod is monster randomizers

my favorite monster randomizer is project malice

so i guess that's the best?

but nah, there's no "best" mod

[grizzled temple]

Is brutal doom black edition considered a good mod? I wanna get it, but I don’t know how

[vast reef]

brutal doom is kind of the unga bunga of mods

gets stale fairly fast but ig it's a neat way to spice up the game if you're playing it for the first time

there are a million more fun and creative mods than BD

there are the randomizer RPG zandronum mods like complex doom, complex clusterfuck, pandemonium, god complex, death and decay, etc.

there's fun randomizer stuff like corruption cards and gzchaos

there's weapon/character-focused mods like trailblazer, high noon drifter, final doomer, guncaster, russian overkill, etc.

monster packs like project malice, cyberaugmented, hard doom, aeons of death, etc.

icaruslives on yt is probably the best way to find new mods, praise his soul

[cursive pollen]

i need some help with my doom wad. im tryna add a custom weapon into the game but it doesnt work. can anyone help me? (I'm using slade)

[hexed escarp]

i accidentally turned off surface highlighting for when you hover over smthn in ultimate doom builder

how do i turn this back on

[hexed escarp]

what source port/format are you targetting?

[vast reef]

https://youtu.be/1UtTtrwMQHI

i know for sure this has been posted before but it's still funny tbh

[cursive pollen]

gzdoom

[hexed escarp]

ah cant help you unfortunately :/ someone else will be able to tho

[cursive pollen]

Aight

[dense plinth]

this never affected me cause I always play Doom at a maximum of 35fps

[bright forge]

BRUTAL DOOM Black Edition IS FUCKING EPIC

[echo hornet]

for some reason I spawned a army of marines in project brutality and I recorded it lolhttps://youtu.be/Ebyl5Q91Dyc

[vast reef]

death and decay better

[halcyon elm]

vanilla doom >>

[remote cedar]

Honestly I agree

[zenith berry]

DOOM PSX >>

[idle depot]

Tried out brutal doom and project brutality after not playing doom 2 for like twenty years. It's amazing what people have done with it, love the community. Is there a decent quality weapons pack that anyone could recommend? I'm lost in 30 years of mods

[vast reef]

trailblazer

[idle depot]

Incidentally if there's a definitive heretic and hexen experience I'd love to know, I picked them up on sale just now

[vast reef]

guncaster

high noon drifter

@idle depot check out icaruslives on yt

best way for newcomers (to mods) to find mods

bless his soul

[idle depot]

Really appreciate you man, I'll check out your suggestions. I'm getting the impression that doom modding is more about just trying out a little of everything and anything

[vast reef]

yup

no problem :D

[random radish]

Can someone give me some ideas on what I should make in doom?

I'm all out

anything

some themes for a map

[remote cedar]

a bunch of craters linked together by UAC laboratory tunnels

[random radish]

great idea

[remote cedar]

Finally finished TNT MAP08

I can't tell which is the biggest enemy between the chaingunners or the music

[remote cedar]

MAP09 was also ass and full of lowtier enemies + chaingunners

[remote cedar]

MAP11 seems kinda interesting

despite the monster count I like that the Archvile in this map isn't useless

[lime badger]

dont let this distract you that snes doom is crusty asf

[void hemlock]

and the 3DO version is the version of all time

[lime badger]

why do the worst versions have the best music

[void hemlock]

Yeah I question that too

And its also funny that the 32X version doesn’t has imo the worst music, but the game plays fine

Also

#690991771039039498 message
Speaking of Sigil, I want to get my thoughts that Romero and co at his own studio concluded Doom 1 great with episode 5. A new feel, a direct vanilla feel to levels on design, MIDIs are pretty much nods to Bobby’s compositions (only Jame’s MIDIs, Buckethead’s tracks were fine as a standalone thing and they don’t fit with the game at all imo), and levels were pretty balanced and challenging, and also concluded the game better than episode 4.

[dusky sierra]

Beat the entirety of Doom knee deep in the dead during school, the teacher didn't saw me and I was multitasking a project

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1118202815152656505/1137952812194603150/IMG_20230807_103609.jpg

[hexed escarp]

At the end of the school year this year, it was after finals and nobody had anything to do in any of our classes so in my computer science class, my friend and I played doom and our teacher didn’t care. We had already been playing Eviternity coop previously on an odamex server he was hosting from his home nas, and the server was still up so we just connected to it from there

[void hemlock]

wow

you people are lucky

I will never ever get to do that in my life, my school has chromebooks fml

[hexed escarp]

Mine does too for the most part but a couple of the computer science rooms have windows desktops

[void hemlock]

some of the computers in my school's library also has Windows, but fior the most part we can't go there for doing stuff on them at all, it's only reserved for staff

[vast reef]

sewer that leads to hell

not as crative (ba dum tss) as stoil's idea but yeah

[vast reef]

u can run doom on a chromebook

[void hemlock]

completely forgot about that

[vast reef]

people run it on toasters, cars, and tractors, of course it can run on a chromebook

[void hemlock]

I knowit can run on anything you can think of, I just completely forgot and wasn't thinking

I was thinking of a source port such as PrBoom+ being ran on a chromebook, although I'm pretty sure there is some way

[vast reef]

chromebooks run linux

going to make a "play doom online" website and port dsda and gz

it'll have access to idgames

[void hemlock]

Wait, that's not a thing?

[vast reef]

it's always always the dos version

usually zero ways to play pwads as well

[void hemlock]

I know, but source ports held on the web don't exist?

I sure has hell would've thought it would be a thing since games like Sonic 2 community's cut and Sonic 3 AIR do that, but then again they're completely different so who knows

[vast reef]

i only ever find DOS bc these are usually emulator websites

[void hemlock]

Oh

[zenith berry]

For legality reasons, sites like these usually only offer the shareware or Freedoom. Would we be able to supply our own IWADs?

[vast reef]

yes

[lethal turret]

Tried WAD Commander?

[vast reef]

oh my god this is it

thank you so much

what complevels does this support?

[lethal turret]

its engine wasm-doom seems not support boom/prboom/zdoom pwads

[crude monolith]

guys would anyone help me? #community-support, #classic-doom-maps-mods

[tulip garnet]

im a bit intimidated to try final doom cause i've heard pretty mixed things

[vast reef]

go play it

plutonia is hard but it goes hard, great wad

lots of people here consider it the best iwad

[crude monolith]

plutonia is nice but tnt explosion is bad

[vast reef]

yea

[tulip garnet]

i feel like plutonia's gonna frustrate me cause i aint the best classic doom player

haven't even gotten past e4m1 in doom 1

[crude monolith]

you have to have good doging skills and good shoting aim, if you haven't got that your screwed

[zenith berry]

tiktok n torment

-civvie 11

[zenith berry]

oh you’ll not even be ready for E4M2.

[crude monolith]

2 is not that bad, i lost in E4M3 burh, that was where i lost it. . .

[zenith berry]

E4M8 was sorta easy at least, but I think it’s because I have a BFG.

[crude monolith]

yeah true E4M8 was literally the easist one them

[zenith berry]

reverse difficulty it is

[crude monolith]

yes, there's like plenty room to hide for Spider Master Mind to be honest

[crude monolith]

so would please anybody help me?

[hot steppe]

?

[night hearth]

Yo. Anyone good with the doom alpha at all? Like anyone know anything? I want to do some stuff with it.

Any information would be wonderful

[molten coral]

What do you need?

[night hearth]

Uhh a lot of stuff really, like how to play the alphas, how to access everything like files and such, oh, and I also want to know what coding language the game is in but I understand if nobody knows that one.

If you want, you can dm me stuff if you know it, idk

But you could always tell me here too

[molten coral]

No clue tbh, i know their wads are outthere but idk if any source ports can even run them

You'd have to use dosbox directly

[night hearth]

I have the wads, just can't run them

[night hearth]

I have dosbox, doesn't want to run them though

[crude monolith]

i think it's made in C?

[night hearth]

I hope so

My friend said either C or C++

[crude monolith]

defintly c and not c++, that's the reason why it can run literally on calculator, because it's made in C

[night hearth]

Ah ok, thank you

Anything else you know?

[crude monolith]

Do you know how to code C?

[crude monolith]

i have some info about aplha lost sould

[night hearth]

The lost souls?

[night hearth]

Nope, but I want to learn

[crude monolith]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eIKyAt-CXc some info is here

i alrey watched it

[crude monolith]

Why? for modding or fun?

[night hearth]

I watched everything I could basically

[night hearth]

Both kinda

[crude monolith]

We could maybe collab?

[night hearth]

How so?

[crude monolith]

i have a doom wad idea, but i don't know how to code in c, but i alredy know some basics of doom textures, and maybe we could bring my wad to life

[night hearth]

Well maybe you could help me too! Can we dm more about it so we don't have this delay and such?

[vast meteor]

We should have more add ons like Harmony

And rekkr

[tranquil zephyr]

is there a way to play as monsters in doom 2

[remote cedar]

not in vanilla but there's probably a classes mod that allows you to do that

[tranquil zephyr]

yeah i expected some link to download it

[halcyon willow]

there's a mod called "Beast Incarnation" where you play as a demon vs marines

there's a bunch to choose from

and you level up to unlock more powerful tiers of demon.

[tranquil zephyr]

oooo interesting

[halcyon willow]

yeah it's fun. a bit ridiculous but pretty well put together. works in zandonum too so you can play it coop

[hexed escarp]

i wish that there was an instrumental cover of the godhood suite

its such an awesome midi

i feel like it was kinda wasted on Eviternity map29

its a big epic map yes, but its not long enough

it should have been used on map32 imo, that one takes so long, and I think the feel would fit very well

it would match the adventure feel

[vast reef]

you don't need c for modding

[vast reef]

pretty sure you can compile c++ on a ti-84 and other calculators lmao

but yea doom was written in c

[vast reef]

learn programming first w/ python or js

if you already know variables, loops, conditionals, and etc. go learn c w/ some youtube tutorials or a book

[crude monolith]

yeah but the wants to make mood wads, and i'm pretty sure you can make doom wads only with C right?

sorry if i'm wrong

[vast reef]

no you don't make wads or mods with c

[vast reef]

i just said this

[crude monolith]

sorry

[vast reef]

it's fine

[vale gyro]

In my opinion you should really only learn Javascript if you are interested in web development, as that’s what it’s used for. Python is a good general use language, but I do believe people just look at it as the “easy language” when it can be a really hard language to learn once you get into more of the complex things of Python. Though JS is closer to how you would write C, C#, C++, and Java than how Python is due to syntax.

[vast reef]

no bc python has simple syntax

and MUCH less random things to catch you offguard

of course python can be complicated

[vale gyro]

fair, I’m mainly pointing my fingers at later stages of Python dev

[vast reef]

python was my go-to for quickly testing an algorithm before i got comfortable with lower-level languages

bc most of the time python just works

[vale gyro]

same for me

though global variables in Python are the most annoying things to deal with in my experience with it

[vast reef]

i suggested js because it's suuuper easy to get into

everyone has a web browser and a text editor

[vale gyro]

I was really only putting my input and opinion into it

I dare say JS is funnier due to the fact you could write an entire program on a single line of code (although NOT advised whatsoever as it’s annoying to write and manage)

[vast reef]

yup, i greatly appreciate it

i also don't like it when people look at python as a baby's language since it's still incredibly capable

[vale gyro]

same here, although I mainly use C# just as I prefer the language more

but I started using Python as my second language ever so I am aware of what it can do

anyways, I’ma see if I can get a good time on UDoom mobile

most likely not

as I can’t even get a good time on PC

nvm, I already give up

controls are scuffed beyond belief

[vale jacinth]

My slayers, i have done it. you can now play doom (1993) and doom II via my profile's RPC.

Quick Note: Mouse controls are scuffed on macOS!!
If you are having problems with the game or report a bug, please report it to the creator (github).

[hexed escarp]

i wonder if the clip in the outro of this video means that at some point we might get dean of doom sunder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDCrH-IFOh0

[tranquil zephyr]

how do i download mods in doom 2

[azure nimbus]

doomworld posts or idgames archive. There are other places like zdoom forums but those are the main spots

[tranquil zephyr]

i need help on how to put mod in doom 2 steam not the original one the mouse and keyboard one

[azure nimbus]

The original doom supported mouse and key but I know what you mean. Easiest way to do it is by downloading a source port first, and giving that port access to doom2.wad(you can find in your steam files).

[tranquil zephyr]

wait im sorry lemme say everything again

i need help on how to put mod in doom 2 steam the rerelease one

[azure nimbus]

I think that's possible to do, but it's going to be a lot more complicated than using a port

[tranquil zephyr]

i paid for doom 2 bc of mods i already had doom 2 in a different console but that does not have downloading and internet/google

so i need some steps

[azure nimbus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJQenx0hIPY

[vale gyro]

really don't think it's possible (I know I'm late btw)

[tranquil zephyr]

im here tho

[azure nimbus]

If it is possible to do anything with everything on steam, it would be limited since it can only run vanilla stuff

[vast reef]

learn what a source port is

it's basically doom ported from DOS to modern PCs, and with extra features and qol stuff

made by the community

there are quite a few you can pick from but the most popular and arguably all you'll need are dsda doom and gzdoom

if you don't intend to pick up doom speedrunning gzdoom is all you ned

[tranquil zephyr]

done with that

[vast reef]

now go download one

gzdoom is the most user-friendly

[azure nimbus]

I find dsda to be easier to work with. I suppose it depends?

[tranquil zephyr]

im done with dsda

i put the WAD inside a folder and i put the dsda thing

and i tried it out

it works and i changed the settings a bit

[vast reef]

gzdoom automatically detects doom wads in your steam or gog folder last i checked

but yes dsda doom is super user friendly as well, only difference is having to put in the doom wad + no search feature for the menu

[tranquil zephyr]

what do i do next

can i download mods now?

[vast reef]

depends on the mod

brutal doom and such need gzdoom

get a launcher like zdl or doom runner first though, incredibly useful

[tranquil zephyr]

Aww

i downloaded the wrong one then

[zenith berry]

It’s fine to have multiple source ports!

[vast reef]

i think i have 5 on my computer

nvm i have way more

crispy, chocolate, woof, dsda, zandronum, odamex, lzdoom, gzdooom, and prboom+

[halcyon willow]

No jdoom smh

[remote cedar]

JDoom?

As for me I only have 2 sourceports on my PC, GZDoom and DSDA

I don't really have a need for anything else. Except maybe Zandronum if I actually want to start playing Doom online

[tranquil zephyr]

guys tell me some good doom 2 mods

[remote cedar]

I don't know any really good ones sadly

[tranquil zephyr]

except brutaly

thing

[remote cedar]

to be fair I don't like Brutal Doom and other mods in that style

I feel like it's simply not Doom

[boreal burrow]

What about Zandronum?

[azure nimbus]

I have 7 on my computer rn but most are versions of dsda

[gusty falcon]

Another rabbit hole in the classic doom rabbit hole

https://youtu.be/_vXqZKQXHuk

[boreal burrow]

wouldnt wolfenstein technically be a doom prequel

[void hemlock]

no?

or am I missing something

[sick mist]

nope

[boreal burrow]

I could have swore they are connected

[void hemlock]

well they are

but Wolfenstein 3D is surely not a Doom prequel

You might be thinking about the Doom RPGs

Which are spinoffs, which then they are related much more

but not the main series

[dense plinth]

I only have 3 source ports

Chocolate, Crispy and GZ

Actually 4 source ports, I also have LZ

And ZDoom

So 5, although I only have ZDoom to play Lilith and LZ for Alaln

For mods I mostly use GZ, otherwise Chocolate is my default

I only use Crispy for whatever Chocolate can't run properly like Sigil and No Rest for the Living

[void hemlock]

for me:

1. PrBoom+ for custom WADs/maps or if I just want to play the regular games
2. GZDoom for mods of course
3. Zandronum for hosting/joining servers
4. Odamex for only joining servers because I hate trying to host as it most of the time doesn't even want to work

[hexed escarp]

for me:

1. Woof for any boom or mbf compatible wads
2. Crispy Doom for any vanilla compatible or limit removing wads
3. Zandronum for joining multiplayer servers
4. Odamex for playing coop with my friends
5. Eternity Engine for playing heartland and my own maps

[narrow condor]

GZDoom for everything because I'm too lazy to set up anything else to my liking.

[dense plinth]

I get torn between source ports

On one hand I like qol updates

On the other hand I'm a vanilla fanatic

[vast reef]

#classic-doom message
#classic-doom message

then go to icaruslives on yt

[vast reef]

1. gzdoom if it needs it
2. dsda doom
3. zandronum for multiplayer servers

i used to use crispy a lot but eh dsda has cooler features and emulates vanilla perfectly anyways

[vale gyro]

I just use Crispy as a main and Woof for boom and stuff. I hate the map colors though (and yes I’m aware you can change them but I can never get them right)

[spice radish]

Reelism 2 and Ashes 2063

[dusty gale]

are any of the old dooms multiplayer

[vale gyro]

if you use something like Odamex or Zandronum, yes

otherwise, it’s local co-op

and I guess Chocolate, Crispy, and Woof have their multiplayer I suppose

[dusty gale]

if it's pc and someone connects controller will it work?

[vale gyro]

explain exactly what you mean?

also, I am not an expert on those source ports, so probably better to ask someone else depending on the context

[dusty gale]

someone's on mouse and keyboard and someonelese is on controller

[vale gyro]

eh, not sure

as to my knowledge, those are multiplayer only

I know using Steam Remote Play (or whatever it’s called), you can do something like that