classic-doom

[dusky sierra]

No I agree

[finite crag]

They just fill up the room with too much garbage that does too much damage and I can't really use rockets like with Archies

[sick hamlet]

I just tried playing MyHouse but quit after weird things showed up

[dusky sierra]

Pain Elementals spawn more frequently and most modern Doom ports removed the Lost soul limit making them artificially harder to deal with it than intended

[sick hamlet]

like the weapon animations got weird, music restarted, enemies respawned, that stuff.

i just quit after that
and after i died lol

[dusky sierra]

They're originally made to be much more easy to deal with, but some guy thought it was a bug and "fixed" the limit on how many Lost souls pain elementals could spawn

[finite crag]

Can't you disable that in most ports

[dusky sierra]

I don't know, I've never tried.

Most of the time when I see a pain elemental, I just Super Shotgun it asap

You let that thing live for more than two seconds and your fate is sealed

[finite crag]

I know prboom had a feature to disable that

[dusky sierra]

I don't think other modern ports could unless you program it yourself.

Still maybe its possible but as of currently I think there isn't to my knowledge.

[azure nimbus]

so turn the lost soul limit on for vanilla maps

[dusky sierra]

Am I insane for thinking Zombiemen are more annoying than Imps?

[azure nimbus]

imps are easy to dodge. Zombies are impossible to dodge

[dusky sierra]

Especially in Nightmare, atleast Imps are dodgable

[azure nimbus]

Zombieman (not shotgunners) are less aggressive than other monsters because of their slow speed

[dusky sierra]

Once you're in sight, they slowly take down your HP just enough so that the next demon you meet could one shot you.

[dusky sierra]

Yea its because of gameticks

Also the reason why Lost Souls are overwhelmingly more aggressive than any other monster

[azure nimbus]

They're the least aggressive monster. At least according to our lord and savior, Decino, Lost souls in doom1 and doom2 are the least aggresssive. But in d64 they are hyperaggro

[dusky sierra]

Yea 64's completely different beast

[azure nimbus]

I wonder if they're related to the balancing change for the chaingun

[dusky sierra]

I think it might've been since 64 is kinda weird with its ticks

[azure nimbus]

d64 has a slower tick rate(30 Hz vs 35 Hz). Again, from decino's video, it's tied to the faster animation on the lost souls

[finite crag]

Not really
Like they can be hitscanny

I think Wolfenstein ss are more annoying than chaingunners
Because of placement

[dusky sierra]

Atleast they're less common

[finite crag]

They are easier than chaingunners

But because of how they're placed it's difficult I find

[dusky sierra]

Honestly I don't find chaingunners all too annoying in general

[finite crag]

Plutonia

[dusky sierra]

We're not gonna talk about that-

[finite crag]

"this trap right here is what got him hired at valve"

[dusky sierra]

I honestly can't sleep without hearing Decino's voice ngl

[finite crag]

Binge the entire Casali channel

[gritty zephyr]

does anyone have a Pwad for recyclement?

[finite crag]

Usually the city does recycling

[gritty zephyr]

i am the world

[outer sage]

Chaingunners. Great as a singular enemy. 10 more and they're a firing squad.

[dusky sierra]

A demon you find annoying in Doom that you rarely see people complain about?

[lyric raptor]

The Columbine map and mod is very well done.

[ruby crater]

@celest coyote great video for your first major one that you posted back in #videos several days ago. Hope more people check it out, since it has like no views lol

[spice radish]

I probably just don’t consume a lot of Doom 3 content but the Zombie Security can fuck off

[dusky sierra]

Respectable

[dry ferry]

i do not think I'll be able to beat "run from it" on a 3ds

[finite crag]

I believe in you 💜

[dry ferry]

might have to rebind controls for this

[finite crag]

Which model of 3ds

[dry ferry]

n3dsxl

[finite crag]

Do zl and zr work

[dry ferry]

yeah

[finite crag]

C stick?

[dry ferry]

it works, but stylus aiming works better for me

[finite crag]

I see

Gyro motion controls

[dry ferry]

that could be good but i don't think this port supports it

[finite crag]

Damm

[dry ferry]

maybe if it's too hard, I'll just idclev to the next level and play the level on my pc when i get home

[celest coyote]

Thanks, man, I appreciate it. I hope more people enjoy what I created as more time passes.

[subtle flare]

i just got doom 2 on my switch

honestly i find it more enjoyable than the newer ones like 2016/eternal

[broken pelican]

does anyone know how do I learn to mod in doom?

Do i need to know any programing languages and is there a tutorial on YT because i can't find any (only mapping appears)

[tardy wind]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrCO4nWIQAk

[vocal summit]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/297516776483454976/1116877328744726588/Screen_Recording_20230609-205108.mp4

[upper crypt]

The good ol Bruiser Brothers (aka Barons of Hell) Use your rocket launcher or plasma gun when you come across them

[fallen tusk]

Hi

[dry ferry]

i wonder why videos about doom mods stopped coming out

all the bigger videos about classic doom came out 3-6 years ago

[spice radish]

https://youtu.be/34HfmGvUJIM

[keen patrol]

Im a little new to Doom so what is the difference between Doom 1993, the ultimate Doom, Brutal Doom, etc.?

[ionic sluice]

Ultimate doom is doom (1993) but with an added chapter using enemies and stuff from doom II
Brutal doom is a mod for either doom 1 or 2, I can’t recall

[narrow condor]

Brutal Doom is a fan mod that adds elements of modern shooter games to the original Doom games.

Doom is the original game with three episodes, Ultimate Doom is a rerelease with an additional fourth episode as they said, but it doesn't have Doom 2 monsters. Rather some mechanics were backported from Doom 2 like switches that require keys to trigger.

If you're getting into it for the first time, my personal recommendation would be to get Ultimate Doom and play all four episodes in order, followed by Doom 2.

[azure nimbus]

Switches never require keys to trigger in vanilla doom. That was added in boom. It's possible that I'm misremembering or conflating it not existing in the levels with not existing in the engine so if you know a particular level or if they just didn't put it in, let me know. I'm usually pretty confident with my doomz but particular keys and triggers are esoteric enough that I'm not totally sure

[keen patrol]

Im playing Doom on Ps4 and it said 4 episodes so idk but e1m9 made me a bit pissed from time to time ngl

Also im completely stuck on e2m9 now

I run out of ammo and end up trying to do run by chainsaw hits on the final two barons that i can get down but i always die so ive kinda given up

For now

Any tips on e2m9?

[finite crag]

isnn't ultimate doom just doom 1 new episodes with existing assets and enemies

[ionic sluice]

Honestly uh I forget
But it’s like one new episode

[finite crag]

it's also very good

starts off brutal but is better than episode 3 and maybe 2

[dense plinth]

Get the demons to fight each other

Then finish off the stragglers

[keen patrol]

Wait the barons will fight eachother?

[dense plinth]

E2M9 is probably one of the worst levels in doom because it's basically just testing the infighting mechanic

[dense plinth]

No

Lead the barons into the cacodemon room

[keen patrol]

Oh

[dense plinth]

The barons and cacodemons will fight each other if they hit each other with their projectiles

Doom's infighting is basically if 2 demons of different species hit each other they stop attacking you and attack each other till one kills the other

Only the zombiemen can kill each other of the same species

[keen patrol]

I think i saw that in an earlier level but just assumed it was natural

Thx for the tip

[dense plinth]

No you gotta bait them

Np

[keen patrol]

Was on the literal edge of throwing my controller into hell so that it will fight the demons for me lmao

[keen patrol]

Well it was on e2 cant remember the map but i walked into a room and a cacodemon and baron were already fighting

Cacodemon died then i fought the baron off ez

[dense plinth]

Caco could have hit the baron with a projectile as you walked in possibly

If it's E2M4 then that would have been what happened, the caco and baron at the start of that level are not pre programmed to fight

[dense plinth]

Tbh for a first timer I'd recommend they skip ep 4 of ultimate doom and go straight to Doom 2

Or at least don't play it on ultraviolence

[finite crag]

One of the best because you get supercharge and also get to skip e2m5

[weak python]

@vast reef @halcyon elm Sorry for the pings. Thank you for answer. I will try out Slade and go from there.

[halcyon elm]

Good luck pal!

[short flame]

I love classic dooms

[narrow condor]

DoomWiki sez

As Doom II features were present in the [Ultimate Doom] executable, some of these, namely sector type 17, the key-requiring switches, and other linedef actions such as blazing doors were used in the additional levels.

It's a bit annoying that Doom, Ultimate Doom, Doom 2 and Final Doom executables all differ in small ways in terms of engine quirks and mechanics.

Like the lost soul bounce or the exit teleporter Z coordinate preservation.

[short flame]

The best dooms

Vega

[fathom kernel]

[broken pelican]

You have Doom 1993 and Ultimate Doom

Those two are official from ID Software and difference is only one episode, Brutal Doom is just a mod for the game

[broken pelican]

i know how to use gzdoom, for like 2 years, thank you for the video, but i need like a tutorial how to actually make mine pk3 or wad file with like custom weapons and some stuff like that

[vast reef]

learn zscript

there's an official tutorial

or decorate if you want to target zandronum

[spark mauve]

Is the doom mobile port any good?

[marsh siren]

Mighty DOOM?

[radiant yoke]

if classic doom
its just the same thing as doom, a smaller screen and buttons on it, idk really
mighty doom is good game

[marsh siren]

i mean everybody liked the first doom

so ig its good

out of all 14,990 ratings on steam, only 490 is disliked ratings

[limpid lintel]

Why should someone don't like classic doom?

[radiant yoke]

i dont like the fact u cant aim up and down
otherwise its a great game

[vast reef]

skill issue

[limpid lintel]

Yeah that was a problem of the time that's a point yes

[vast reef]

game has autoaim, you can hit everything you need to

[radiant yoke]

no!1!!1!1!1!!11!!

[limpid lintel]

😂

[spice radish]

Me when Hexen

[dusky sierra]

Hey does anyone here ever play the mod gunslinger 2.0?

I'm trying to get it to work, but it seems like my guns are unable to reload?

Maybe I'm pressing the buttons wrong or is there some bug here?

The double barrel works though since it automatically reloads itself

[halcyon elm]

check they key binds

[native aspen]

I tired to play the first level of doom, killed all the enemies, and just didn't know how to progress. am I doing smthn wrong? i feel like an idiot

[silent remnant]

first map is pretty straight forward. open the doors after that acid pit room and the exit is right there

[native aspen]

lol, i cant figure out what button to interact with kb&m

[silent remnant]

spacebar

[native aspen]

it was awhile ago tho, just thought of doom and thought I would ask

[native aspen]

thx

[dusky sierra]

Is it weird that I keep binging and replaying Doom I and II, and I could go hours on end without getting bored.

But whenever I reach Map 11 Circle of death on Doom II.

I lose all motivation and at times quit.

I don't know how to describe it, but I really dislike this map

Doom II maps in general are sort of messy and some are outright lazy compared to the first Doom, but this level is one of the few early ones where it really shows.

[silent remnant]

Doom 2's map design is...not very good. But that's because Sandy designed most of them.

[dusky sierra]

I also dislike Tricks and traps, I know its a personal favourite for the community but I genuinely hate it, and it feels like its the most "filler" doom map in history

Feels less of a map and more of a fanmade arena from a first-time modder.

[dusky sierra]

Yeah but the early ones feel alot more polished than the later ones

Do you have any notable map you personally dislike yourself?

[silent remnant]

Downtown. Downtown can fuck itself.

[dusky sierra]

Oh yeah that map was also a pain in the ass

Very hard to enjoy, and the map design is eye-soring.

At times its so dark I need to change my screens gamma

[silent remnant]

i don't mind the darkness, but the overall design is trash

someone remade it in quake 2 as a multiplayer map though and it works surprisingly well at that

[dusky sierra]

Quake's alot more fast-paced, and the map works sort of well when you could jump

I think the enemy placement and the gameplay is what made the map terrible

[silent remnant]

yeah

[dusky sierra]

Doom I's enemy placement genuinely feels smart, where it makes sure that each enemy is at the perfect location.

Like the Imps on the first level intentionally were placed above ground to teach the players of autoaim.

Meanwhile Doom II just sort of places enemies randomly

Its sort of spammed and doesn't feel as natural as Doom I.

[oak lichen]

Sandy's maps had interesting ideas, but were poorly executed imo.

[silent remnant]

Sandy is better as a strategy game designer

[dusky sierra]

They're at times confusing, and there are alot of areas that don't need to be as big as they are.

The enemy placement feels very amateur as well.

[oak lichen]

I'm really picky with enemy placement personally. Really annoying when it feels essentially random.

[dusky sierra]

Doom I had enemies kept in mind whilst making the maps, so some areas of the map are literally made just for the perfect enemy placement.

Meanwhile Doom II for alot of parts doesn't, they create the maps first and then just throw in enemies in there.

Doom I makes sure you have the perfect health to enemy ratio, they make sure that you have enough health for each enemy encounter.

Doom II again for the most part doesn't.

[oak lichen]

It's a shame because Doom 2's enemy roster is excellent.

[dusky sierra]

Right??? I'm so mad that the spider mastermind has almost never gotten the spotlight and is often skippable or easily dealt with

Same thing with Cyberdemon

Doom 2's demons are so underutilized

[oak lichen]

Good thing we've got plenty of excellent fan content that has made great use of them though.

[dusky sierra]

Yea it really shows their potential.

[finite crag]

Я шиз

[dusky sierra]

Alot of WADs genuinely have better map design than Doom 2's

[dusky sierra]

справді? Я використовую Google Translate, вибачте, якщо я не розумію

Не могли б ви сказати нам, чому ви відстій?

[finite crag]

Не, я не общаюсь на украинском.
У меня русский

[dusky sierra]

Извините, гугл определил это как украинский, лол.

Я почти уверен, что это английский сервер, вы могли бы говорить по-английски?

[sick mist]

Keep it english only please

[ruby crater]

Woke up with the wrong language settings

[finite crag]

what's wrong with sandy

[woeful marten]

im playing through Doom 2 rn for the first time, just finished Doom 1 for the first time just before i played and i feel like doom 2 maps are wierd esp compared to Doom 1 , like im on lvl 16 and it looks like its gonna be another huge map that im gonna spend the next like 5 mins just figuring out where everything is before i start to progress

[broken pelican]

does anyone know very fast paced doom mods?

[elder igloo]

is there a spanish translation to the knee deep in the dead novel?

[silent remnant]

He sucks at making Doom maps

[dense plinth]

I mean he doesn't

or at least I don't believe so

Sandy had like 20 maps to make for Doom II in the span of about 10 months

I think anyone with that workload in that timespan would have to cut corners with some questionable design

[finite crag]

i mean can you say he's bad at making doom maps when he's made 25% of classic doom

[dense plinth]

Sandy otherwise made decent maps when he actually was able to flesh things out

[finite crag]

to be fair episode 3 is pretty bad but half of it is ok

i mean my favorite levels are mcgee so idk maybe i shouldn't talk

[dense plinth]

I think Slough of Despair and Unholy Cathedral are the only Inferno maps I dislike, for good reason

[finite crag]

well they suck

[dense plinth]

Limbo is also meh

but that's about it, I actually like the rest of Inferno

[finite crag]

slough of despair i don't mind
limbo is fine

unholy cathedral is where i quit lol

but a level i hate that many don't

mt erebus

[dense plinth]

I like it

[elder igloo]

my favirite map is map 20 gotcha!

i like the music

[finite crag]

is that one message for the archvile or

[azure nimbus]

only reasonable doom fan

[finite crag]

wdym

[gusty falcon]

No matter how many times i play 10 sectors i don't think I'll ever not enjoy it kudos to the map makers that they managed to squeeze so much into these tiny maps

My only gripe is that it doesn't also have its own midi music

Though demonsteele usually makes good midi accompanyment

[finite crag]

Is hexen bad

[gusty falcon]

I think it depends on the kind of game you enjoy

You probably wouldn't

Because take unholy cathedrals puzzle bullshit and extend that to an entire game

[finite crag]

What a great concept for a game

This is why hacx is better

Hacx is the greatest game of all time

[dense plinth]

tbh Unholy Cathedral isn't that bad to me

there's a gibbed corpse in front of the teleporter to take you out of the central area so while it's easy to get turned around you can still identify where you need to go

it's layout certainly isn't ideal but I've never rage quitted at the level

[finite crag]

I haven't really but it's not fun

Mr Erebus I don't rage quit at but I hate it

[dry ferry]

i beat scythe

[hexed escarp]

Should I worry about the map I’m making being too cliche/doing smthn that’s been done so many times?

[narrow condor]

Nope. Cliché maps are perfectly fine as long as they're fun.

Heck, if the map is fun enough, I'll turn a blind eye to a lot of things like lazy design and mapping mistakes.

[hexed escarp]

I’m trying to be very meticulous with the design

Despite being a smallish map01, this map is taking me ages bc I'm also learning the ropes of the eternity engine while making it

[azure nimbus]

so many people disjointed e3m2 and I'm not sure why

[uncut onyx]

How do people make those 1v1s against demons? (doom2)

[vast reef]

???

you want a map where you fight a single demon? that's easy to make with any map editor

[uncut onyx]

1v1 against demons

[hexed escarp]

Wdym 1v1 against demons

[vast reef]

what the fuck do you mean

[elder igloo]

put two demons, one being friendly to the player and other normal. (ex. 10 friendly barons vs cyberdemon)

the barons will kill the cyberdemon

because the barons are friendly to the player

[vast reef]

you don't even have to do that to initiate infighting

[elder igloo]

yeah but is more easy

[vast reef]

just let the cyberdemon hit the barons and they'll fight

[elder igloo]

instantly all the barons will fight

[vast reef]

no it isn't because you have to mod in "friendly demons"

[elder igloo]

to the cyberdemonio

[vast reef]

no??

[elder igloo]

yes

[vast reef]

oh

[vast reef]

yeah i thought you meant the barons would fight each other

[elder igloo]

nah

[vast reef]

complete your sentence in one message

[elder igloo]

yeah sory

but yes, that is the form to make a 1v1 against demons

[elder igloo]

a ring

[elder igloo]

nah

[vast reef]

also that's not a 1v1 AGAINST demons

that's a 1v1 BETWEEN demons

[vast reef]

the fuck you mean "nah"

[elder igloo]

nah

look

[vast reef]

doom doesn't have any sort of "friendly monster" feature you can toggle

you'll have to mod that in

[elder igloo]

look in pm

[vast reef]

oh with mbf

[elder igloo]

works in gzdoom also

[vast reef]

sorry lol

[elder igloo]

and in zandronum. i checked

[vast reef]

i don't know if that's what they mean by "1v1 against demons" though

[worn hamlet]

"Helpers" are gonna be MBF and upwards (MBF21, DECORATE, ZScript, EDF, etc.)

[lament epoch]

I will help with that

[vast reef]

but are you the real one

[azure nimbus]

In vanilla, it is very rare. You need a baron to nonlethally attack a barrel. Then blow up the barrel to hit the other baron

In very old versions of doom, enemies could aggro against themselves this way

[vast reef]

cacodemon suicide video

[uncut onyx]

In editor?

[zenith berry]

Has society changed much that the uploader actually added a suicide helpline number in the description of the infamous Cacodemon suicide video dating decades ago?

It's just an old DOOM engine quirk after all.

[vast reef]

i think that's silly, even by today's standards

[dusky sierra]

Not like its a bad thing to put it there, but it sure does ruin the mood.

Its definitely not a normal thing and not society though

I think it was added because some comments made it seem worst than it actually is.

[uncut onyx]

Btw, considering to get doom 1 or 2. Which one would you guys recommend?

[vast reef]

2 if you're on PC

[uncut onyx]

y?

[vast reef]

most mods and maps are for doom 2

you're locking yourself out of a LOT of content if you just have doom 1

[uncut onyx]

Mk. Ill prob go with that then

[dusky sierra]

Woah wait

[finite crag]

Wait for sale and buy both

[dusky sierra]

Are you looking to buy for casual play or for mods

[uncut onyx]

When is next sale again?

[uncut onyx]

pretty much both

[dusky sierra]

Because gameplay and map design definitely goes to doom I instead

I think Doom I is better, but Doom II has more additions alongside the iconic Super Shotgun

But yeah what @vast reef was saying was basically right.

[uncut onyx]

doom 1 dosent have the super shotgun? Damn

[dusky sierra]

Yeah but for me, it made it more fun

[vast reef]

gameplay and map design in custom maps made for doom 2 beat doom 1

doom 2 wins

[dusky sierra]

If you could, both are good.

I personally like Doom I more as it has more love and overall is just more fun for me.

But Doom II has all the additions as Doom I (and more) but I enjoyed it less, and the maps are more meh.

[meager zealot]

Welp I think I got myself stuck in a area in E1M9 which sucks since I'm literally near the level end switch but I'm stuck in the nukage area cause I went for the secret and I can't see a lift or something

[dusky sierra]

SS?

Dms

[vast reef]

no need, just paste the image link

[meager zealot]

Of the Automap or of what I currently see?

[dusky sierra]

Yeah but take a good pic of what you overall see

[dusky sierra]

Or this

[meager zealot]

So post it in screenshots and copy the image link?

[dusky sierra]

Don't just screenshot the wall or smth

[vast reef]

140 fov

[dusky sierra]

Quake players

[digital swift]

Does someone here use gzdoom?

Or there is a dedicated server for gzdoom

[dusky sierra]

I do for some mods

Pls don't judge

[meager zealot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832527939153297448/1120806136719872173/IMG_4295.jpg https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832527939153297448/1120806137126727710/IMG_4296.jpg

[dusky sierra]

Are you standing on a secret area?

[meager zealot]

Nevermind its not a secret

[dusky sierra]

I'm not really sure where this is, but almost every secret has a secret wall hidden somewhere.

Just spam the use button whatever keybind you're using

[meager zealot]

That was the switch to make the bridge to the exit

[dusky sierra]

Oh ok, sorry I don't fully recognise all maps

Welp that's problem solved?

[meager zealot]

Nah i’m still trying to find my way out of the nukage area that you have to enter to hit the switch, would it help if i take a picture of my Automap?

[dusky sierra]

Yes

[meager zealot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832527939153297448/1120807589471588533/IMG_4297.jpg

[dusky sierra]

I'm replaying the map just to see what your problem is

What was your last key obtained?

[meager zealot]

Blue is the key to the exit room so Blue

[dusky sierra]

Ok I think I know where you need to go

Just need to record my gameplay

Dms

Np

[meager zealot]

Am I weird for using a guide for the secrets in this game?

[elder igloo]

yep

[elder igloo]

also yep

[pine panther]

nope

[azure nimbus]

if you are where I think you are. there are stairs

[meager zealot]

Already escaped with the help of Shell

[azure nimbus]

nice

[vast reef]

yes

[dry ferry]

who else plays continuous

[hexed escarp]

i do for the most part

[upper crypt]

Yeah real Doom players hump every single wall until they find a secret

[finite crag]

should be like rott with pushwall count at the end

[lament epoch]

Yo wassup

You guys like bloody stuff in Doom?

[finite crag]

meh

blood isn't integral to the fun part of doom

[lament epoch]

But do u ?

Do you like blood in Doom

Well here some blood for you guys

https://youtu.be/UolIUtNBsGU

[finite crag]

i don't really care for it

too much gore looks stupid

and really it doesn't change much
i only like it as a damage indicator

[narrow condor]

Yeah, not much would change if Doom had no blood but some other mechanic to indicate damage.

[vast reef]

yk even sgt mark iv himself admitted these look stupid

[dense plinth]

You can turn them off

Which is probably the better option tbh

[dry ferry]

LMAO, it's actually EASIER to see in Sigil when using the PSX Doom mod

[lament blaze]

yknow, because of myhouse.wad, e3m4 has taken a new meaning somehow

[dense plinth]

did it

hell beneath, 100% kills, pickups and secrets

I've done it a few times now but getting 100% secrets is hard because the second secret is very temperemental when it comes to counting as completed

you can trigger the baron trap without the secret counting

[dusky sierra]

My G

[zenith berry]

MyHouse of Pain

[meager zealot]

Me after i miss one item in my house.wad and have to restart the entire map

[dusky sierra]

Holy crap why has no one told me about OpenGL ES?!?!

Its REALLY good for total conversion mods where they could cause alot of lagspikes

Went from averaging 20 on big maps, 10 on effect overload, 70 from looking at a wall

to

65 on big maps, 60 on effect overload, 70 from looking at a wall

(I set my FPS limit on 70)

[full quest]

What's the recommended difficulty setting for a new player in 1993 DOOM on PC?

[vast reef]

depends, what other fps games have you played before this?

[full quest]

A lot. I'm not new to the genre.

[vast reef]

ultra-violence then

[full quest]

Okay, thanks

[vast reef]

nightmare is a joke difficulty

[ionic ivy]

Guys I am hosting a server on Zandronum it's called 64 Player Deathmach by Immistyer

nvm

[lament epoch]

Bruh this is brutal doom

[vast reef]

?

[dusky sierra]

What if all Classic Doom enemies were hitscan, which enemies do you think would exceed the most on?

And actually is there a mod to make this happen? If so that would be batshit near-impossible lol

[vast reef]

depends on the damage

same damage as the projectiles?

you'd turn shit like arachnotrons into absolute menaces

[zenith berry]

The Lost Soul was going to be a hitscan enemy.

[finite crag]

this is satire
right
r-right?

[azure nimbus]

They said that they'd played a lot of shooters before. So UV makes sense

It's fine to start on HMP or lower if you want to learn the maps first then come back later

[finite crag]

but doom is different from other shooters

[azure nimbus]

The vanilla maps are doable on UV if you have some experience with other games

[lament epoch]

https://youtu.be/UolIUtNBsGU

[finite crag]

people do fatalities?

[lament epoch]

This is brutal Doom

Of course they get to do fatalities

[finite crag]

but why would you want to do fatalities

all they do is waste time and remove the satisfaction of shotgun

[severe current]

how do you even do those?

[lament epoch]

What do u mean

[severe current]

how do you do a fatality in BD i cant figure out how to.

[lament epoch]

U need berserk

[finite crag]

why don't you play a better mod instea-

[severe current]

oh ok

[severe current]

ok ill play lilith.pk3

[finite crag]

yep

[severe current]

maybe a little bit of 7869.wad, uac labs, or myhouse.wad

or just beautiful doom

[finite crag]

just don't tell graf zahl if you're playing lilith

[severe current]

ive been here for 10 seconds so idk who that is but ok 🙂

[subtle flare]

Doom 1 or doom 2

[finite crag]

plutonia

[subtle flare]

The apex of comedic remarks

Truly breath-taking and unique, the humor lies in the fact that they chose an option that wasnt listed

Definitely deserving a simple "XDDDD"

[finite crag]

thank you

anyways when we think about doom 2 vs doom 1 we already know which one is better

it's hacx
hacx is better than everything

[subtle flare]

As much as I enjoy your comedy I was looking for a sincere answer

[finite crag]

hacx

that's your answer
it's just that good

[dry ferry]

hmm i wanna play a gameplay mod but which...

[narrow condor]

But what's the question? Which one we personally like better? Which one you should start with? Which one has better maps?

[subtle flare]

which one is better overall gameplay wise

[narrow condor]

That's really subjective, but I personally like Doom 2 better. Mainly because I'm used to its mechanics, arsenal and monster roster.

As for the maps, eh, some of them are fairly bad.

[dusky sierra]

This would make levels like Dead Simple incredibly difficult.

[narrow condor]

I think Doom has better average map quality.

[dusky sierra]

Honestly its really hard to decide which is better because alot of people despise Doom II and whilst I do prefer Doom I more, I think Doom II just has more mod support and replayability

Actually wait a second, there is a mod where you could play both on Doom 2 alone @subtle flare

[subtle flare]

Underhalls is iconic for doom

[narrow condor]

I was just thinking in terms of the base game. With regard to custom maps, I'd pick Doom 2 over anything else any day.

[subtle flare]

Same

I like the style of classic doom over new doom where it’s not like a story game it’s just a campaign

Makes it a lot simpler

[dusky sierra]

I do prefer Doom I since the maps don't feel weird and cheap and the enemy placement is godly-good, but mods easily fix that and there are also some good Doom II maps aswell I suppose.

If I was you I'd start with Doom I, but if you could only get one I'd get Doom II

[vast reef]

not different enough that you'd struggle

[vast reef]

why do you keep posting this

[finite crag]

brutal doom
but gore is so lame

gore to me becomes so
sometimes it just looks dumb

like doom eternal has those fleshwalls which just look stupid more than anything

[vast reef]

eh

i think BD looks edgy as fuck but idm gore if it looks good

[finite crag]

but gore usually looks meh

[dusky sierra]

I kinda like gore in games, even if its cartoonish and childish but maybe because I just like the aesthetic more than anything else.

[vast reef]

assuming you're takling about the super gore nest, that shit looks SICK

BD is just stupid pixel gore

[finite crag]

i hate how the super gore nest looks

[lament epoch]

Jesus Christ sorry

[vast reef]

why

[lament epoch]

I think it’s fucking awesome

[finite crag]

it just looks stupid imo
like
wow
flesh
so scary
to me flesh is just really like, weird

[lament epoch]

I will stop

Jesus

[finite crag]

to me it's not scary moreso just gross

[vast reef]

you're eight years old if you like brutal doom fatalities

[vast reef]

...that's the point

[finite crag]

to look gross?

[lament epoch]

No I’m 17

[dusky sierra]

Its less scary and more satisfying for alot of people, me included.

[vast reef]

yes

[finite crag]

yeah doom eternal is a gross game in general makes sen-

to me everything after like
classic is just meh or bad
sorry 😭

[vast reef]

what r ur tastes in FPS games

[finite crag]

dos

[vast reef]

ah

[lament epoch]

Me?

[finite crag]

i like doom most

[vast reef]

no somebody who likes brutal doom fatalities and keeps posting it doesn't deserve this question /j

[finite crag]

i also like wolf, quake, rott, some other ones i forgot prob

I DESPISE MOST MODERN FPS GAMES

wow they can be god awful
again the newest cs game i like is from 2004

[vast reef]

what about the boomer shooter revival games

they keep the art style but introduce more complex movement and mechanics

[lament epoch]

I like wolfenstein 3d and dead space and doom 3 and doom eternal

But I like dead space a lot

[dusky sierra]

Doom 3 honestly deserves to be its own thing

[finite crag]

ah i hate doom 3

[finite crag]

after a while i get a little sick of them
i mean most copy quake 1 which is fine but i like the other ones too
especially when they don't copy the quake 1 asthetic
just the
brown

[dusky sierra]

Woah there's censoring in this server?

[vast reef]

most of em only copy quake 1 as in "brown, polygons"

[lament epoch]

The only reason I like doom 3 is the pistol

[vast reef]

fast gameplay is a given

[dusky sierra]

tf did you say to activate that, I've never seen that before @lament epoch

[finite crag]

yeah that's my issue

[vast reef]

name them though

[finite crag]

as in like games like that?

[vast reef]

yes

i can't name much off the top of my head except dusk

[finite crag]

hrot to me looks good but it's so brown

[lament epoch]

When you equip the pistol and you pull back the Glock it has a super satisfying sound

[vast reef]

oh

that's the intended aesthetic, old, brown, and washed out

[finite crag]

amid evil is less brown

[vast reef]

amid evil is heretic/hexen inspired so there's that

[finite crag]

but quake is more than that 😭
unless it's trying to be its own thing

[vast reef]

of course it's trying to be its own thing

???

[finite crag]

maybe i just have shit taste lol

yes

[dusky sierra]

No offense, you kinda do.

[finite crag]

yeah my opinion on doom is horrible

i think half of the games suck

[dusky sierra]

Though people have their own tastes and preferences and I'm ok with that even if I disagree.

[vast reef]

yeah

[dusky sierra]

I mean it depends for me but I could name alot.

[finite crag]

mighty doom screams "we made this for money and don't have an idea on how gacha games work"

[vast reef]

that's a lot of mobile games LOL

[dusky sierra]

I mean its a mobile game, what do they do other than that?

[finite crag]

most games understand gacha a little at least

mighty doom has lootboxes so pricey it basically kills that entire concept of getting you addicted

[dusky sierra]

Its supposed to be gacha?

[finite crag]

it has 10 spins

it has gambling
with option to buy currency

it has gacha game mechanics

like the play limited with energy so
i'd say so

[dusky sierra]

I just thought its a cute artstyle for Doom lol

Idk never played mighty doom, and might never to be honest.

[finite crag]

stay away

[dusky sierra]

I could never play new Doom without thinking what they did to Mick Gordon ngl

[finite crag]

lee jackson for doom when

every fan wad steals all his music anyways doesn't matter

how many doom wads have fastway

https://youtu.be/xX_Kb0cDN98

[dusky sierra]

Alot of them do, can't count them all that I've known

[finite crag]

why don't they use havana smooth or smoke and mirrors

anyways i can't tell if final doom is good or bad
i like splitting it up into two megawads so i can say one is good and one isn't

[dense plinth]

Can't wait for the nightdive rott port in a month

[finite crag]

I'm excited for it

[zenith berry]

The shareware demo is available on Steam now.

[thin needle]

Yo chat

[cerulean delta]

Found a Doomworld thread about the Unity port and it has some classic wads ported to it

I had no idea it was so hard to work with, I thought it was drag and drop

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/131825-ports-of-classic-megawads-to-the-unity-port-update-6/

Maybe if people are gonna mod a vanilla port I’d suggest International Doom, or Crispy Doom if you’re good at setting up the sound

[vast reef]

crispy doom isn't very hard to set up

[vast reef]

i wonder how i can port these

[cerulean delta]

True, but if you wanna get better MIDI music then there’s a bit more work to do since you’ll have to find a sound font and point the setup EXE to it.

Plus the current stable version has a serious problem with its MIDI playback on Fluidsynth, it loops incorrectly. There’s a 5-10 second delay before the music restarts.

(If there’s a way to patch it that doesn’t involve compiling an unstable build from source, I’m all ears)

[vast reef]

i see

i've heard the doom ost so much that i usually just put on a playlist in the background tbh

[cerulean delta]

Ehh, I’d rather not have that hassle and just have it in the game

[vast reef]

no i mean

the playlist isn't the doom ost

[cerulean delta]

Oh ok

[vast reef]

i meant to say i don't really care about the music enough to set it up

[cerulean delta]

But I’m not always playing the vanilla WADs, I’m playing vanilla compatible WADs that usually have their own soundtrack.

I set it up with Roland GM sound font just like most of my other source ports

Which come to think of it, something like Woof or Nugget Doom might be even better for someone coming from Unity. That or ZDoom32, which is basically a current updated version of Zdoom 2.8.1.

[uncut onyx]

I still cant choose if I should get doom 2 or 1. I will prob mostly be doing gameplay, but doom 2 DOES have alot of new enemies, and mods.

[vast reef]

doom 2

if you're on PC just get doom 2 without hesitation

[uncut onyx]

alr. I am pretty much like 30% wanting doom, but I just want to get sure lmao

[vast reef]

doom 1 is better than doom 2 and even then, it was made in under a year

it's not just "doom 2 has mods" because what doom 2 has over doom 1 is wads, the vast majority of which have vanilla gameplay, just different levels

those wads can have much more than just a year of effort poured into them

as well as way more years of doom mapping experience and knowledge to build off compared to when doom 1 was first made

[uncut onyx]

So in conclusion, doom 2 for pc.

[vast reef]

yes

[cerulean delta]

If you can get both, just do that. But if you have to choose I’d say get the first one before buying the 2nd one.

[vast reef]

if you can only get one, doom 2

if you plan on playing through the series, get doom 1, beat it, and get doom 2

[cerulean delta]

That’s what I’m saying.

[uncut onyx]

I am getting doom 2. Its only maybe if I'll get doom 1 later

[vast reef]

good decision

[elder igloo]

good decision

[finite crag]

Wait for a sale and buy all the classic dooms on pc

[vast reef]

archive.org because the people who actually made the game aren't getting any money from this atp anyway

[finite crag]

Yeah true

Bill gates doesn't need more money

[woeful marten]

i just loaded up Final Doom for the first time, how do i access the TNT portion of the game?

[finite crag]

did you load plutonia

are you playing psx

[woeful marten]

what is psx

i bought it on steam a while ago and im only now getting around to playing it

[finite crag]

playstation final doom

[finite crag]

doesn't it have like a uhh
manager on steam version

[woeful marten]

it does and i went through it and found the TNT.wad but it has two versions, one just labeled tnt and the other labeled tnt+mouse, what does this mean?, also is there anyway i can make it so i dont have to go through the files everytime i wanna play the game

[finite crag]

sourceport

[woeful marten]

where do i access that

or what do i do to get that

[finite crag]

do you have doom 1 or 2 on steam

you could just use that if you don't wanna setup something like prboom or another sourceport

[woeful marten]

i do have doom 1 and 2, how would i play final doom on them if you dont mind explaining

[finite crag]

unity port has bethesda.net

two addons are the final doom wads, so you just download those

that's probably the easiest method ig

on steam they kinda fucked it up
the play final doom option launches plutonia experiment

[woeful marten]

yee thats problem im having

[finite crag]

yeah try launching tnt evilution

or just launch it through doom 2 since they also added it there after they delisted final doom

[woeful marten]

would launching through doom 2 improve/change anything?

[finite crag]

nope
same game
however launching it through doom 2 unity port "improves it" by making it a little more modern ish

also if you're using dosbox i'm pretty sure the recommended thing is to actually just create your own dosbox installation because they really did not put any effort into it for the steam release

[woeful marten]

i tried launching the tnt and both versions of it have weird controls, one uses the mouse to move and look around and the other doesnt use the mouse at all

[woeful marten]

idk how to do that

this seems like a lot of effort for a game ive heard been called the most worst in the series

[finite crag]

plutonia is good
tnt is bad

[finite crag]

the dosbox site might have a guide

i mean you could just use a sourceport

[woeful marten]

what would be the best sourceport

[finite crag]

not really a best one

it depends what you like

[woeful marten]

would i have this same trouble with DOOM 64?, which i was told to play after final doom?

[finite crag]

if you want dos+ you might like chocolate
if you like speedrunning or boom compatible you might like dsda-doom or prboom+
if you don't care about vanilla and like mods you might like gzdoom or zandronum

[finite crag]

doom 64 on steam has an updated port

unless you wanna play n64 version for
some reason

[woeful marten]

somebody in gen chat said to play GZdoom, is that easy enough to set up and start?

[finite crag]

yes

[vast reef]

utter bullshit because plutonia is the best classic doom game

[finite crag]

tnt is the worst one/

[vast reef]

dsda doom or prboom+

or woof idk

i used prboom+ and switched to dsda doom because of the cool features

[vast reef]

turn off mouselook and jumping in gzdoom

also turn off linear filtering, that shit is HORRENDOUS

[vast reef]

oh wait he's talking about accessing tnt

yeah i guess tnt is the worst...

[finite crag]

isn't umapinfo graf zahl prboom

[silent remnant]

You have to do too much in GZDoom to get it to play and look like normal Doom. There are other source ports that work WAY better for normal Doom.

[woeful marten]

okay ive got gzdoom, now do i need to have the games i wanna play installed or do i just need to own them

[finite crag]

add to directory

[vast reef]

so?

graf zahl has the saltiest member title and gz doesn't run all that well but like

also umapinfo is a lump, could've sworn it was a prboom+ fork with a really weird name

[finite crag]

yeah i know same

[finite crag]

someone can play with me to zandronum online?

[woeful marten]

@finite crag @vast reef @silent remnant i forgot to say but thank you for helping me get this set up, i appreciate it!

[cerulean delta]

I’ve been looking for a WAD that surprisingly might not exist, it’s a WAD that ports all of the console exclusive Doom maps to vanilla PC Doom. It doesn’t try to make everything feel like the PSX, it’s just PC doom.

I know the GBA Deathmatch PWAD is out there but I’ve not found anything with the console version of Hell Keep.

I know Kaiser had a project called Console Doom

But that completely changes most of the maps.

[oak lichen]

I prefer Woof for vanilla compatible stuff personally. It has that nice vanilla look being software rendered and it runs very nicely.

[mossy fog]

https://www.doomworld.com/files/file/15114-gba-deathmatch-levels/

[azure nimbus]

Be curious how convincing you find the new DSDA version's OpenGL. The latest version's OpenGL looks more like the original's software 320x200 than high res software

[oak lichen]

I've yet to check out the latest features on DSDA Doom.

[azure nimbus]

They've had opengl look about identical for a while except for the spectre fuzz which was only gotten down recently. On software, fuzz is harder to see on high res. So that's how on opengl it manages to be more faithful to fully vanilla 1994 doom on dos

[oak lichen]

Updated to the most recent version, yeah it looks really good. 👍

Only other thing would be to specify the internal render resolution, so the game could be ran at lower resolutions internally but still be rendered at native resolution.

Oh, I guess it actually does do that by default, really cool.

[azure nimbus]

Idk what that means, but people more used to pc games seem to talk about interal res sometimes 😎

[cerulean delta]

DSDA has some weird quirks in general. For example hitting caps lock causes the screen to go black for 10 seconds. Especially annoying when I mean to hit tab for auto map.

[finite crag]

what

lemme test that out

i think that's just you

[cerulean delta]

Hmm. Weird

[hexed escarp]

What’s another wad that I would like if I loved Eviternity

[junior karma]

Valiant

[uncut onyx]

How do you get the rocket launcher on doom 2 map 1 hell on earth

[azure nimbus]

I've never heard anyone have that. Check your key binds ig?

[azure nimbus]

In the room with the elevated imps, you can click a bunch of times to get up to the elevated imp there (elevator). The switch behind the imp opens up the outdoor area with the shotgun. For the RL, you want to jump off this elevated section and land on the lit block. That opens the RL in the hallway that you came from to enter this room https://youtu.be/JSX9qDdv-9U

[finite crag]

bro sunder map06 is soo brutal

the first hard map of sunder for me

[uncut onyx]

Yo how many animation frames does enemies have? And how many pixels

[glossy lagoon]

I don't know how, but when trying to boot up Sigil, I seem to be playing a completely different WAD with the same name.

It's genuinely bizarre; I can't find any record of it or the levels when looking them up.

It replaces the first episode, and leaves the rest minus changes to the font.

Well, sort of, it seems to keep the level map and music intact with no changes, and doesn't change the level titles beyond their intro on the map.

It's certainly not Romero Sigil either, the WADs for that seem to be totally separate.

[hexed escarp]

Where did you find it?

[glossy lagoon]

I honestly don't remember.

It was just in my file directory, sitting there.

Downloaded at around the same time (albeit afterwards) as Romero Sigil, but beyond that, I can't really give any further information.

It's not the same file at all; it's literally just called 'SIGIL.WAD'.

The level titles I got (for e1m2 & e1m3) were Church of Rot and Poignant Spire.

[spice radish]

Where did you download the WAD from?

[glossy lagoon]

I don't know.

It's been in my file directory for some time, though.

Somehow, it's actually the larger of the two files.

However, this is only true when not counting both Romero Sigil files together.

[azure nimbus]

sigilcompat replaces e3 and sigil replaces e5. You'll find the real version easily enough googling it

[tepid tulip]

What do people think about PRCP

Good Plutonia like wad or meh?

Map03 was hella fun even if it's a bigger Ghost Town

[glossy lagoon]

I know, I've got that downloaded as well and have completed it on both Hurt Me Plenty and Ultraviolence.

[tepid tulip]

Well maybe it's the mod I'm playing but then again, I got annihilated by that hitscan hell in a section, but for once I was moreso not upset about it and more like "how do I figure out getting out of this situation"

I might've died 8 times there

Also knowing the code of Doom secret hunting also let me find all secrets there so I felt damn good

[uncut onyx]

Where do I find secret on map 2

[finite crag]

What's wrong with ghost town

Unless you're just pointing out it's bigger or something

TNT on its way to have the best music in classic doom and then ruin it with level design

[tepid tulip]

No issues with Ghost Town, I always knew of it as the hitscan hell map of Plutonia

PRCPs Map03 has a section where it REALLY doubles down on it but I did enjoy trying to figure out that part

It is bigger and pretty faithful to the original, it has a slightly different layout

And TNT is my favorite from final doom but I'd admit Plutonia is better with the maps

[ornate vortex]

Skillsaw wads like Ancient Aliens, Valiant and Heartland

[hexed escarp]

Does valiant support coop?

[ornate vortex]

I’m not sure, I can check the .txt file since it usually will say there

it says it supports coop for up to 4 players however it doesn’t support deathmatch

[ornate vortex]

therefore yes

[hexed escarp]

Cool

[tepid tulip]

I think I'm gonna stop PRCP but

Map07 having TWO CYBER DEMONS IN AN ENCLOSED SPACE?

I'm gonna do it I just gotten a bit tired of playing Doom atm

Is it normal to feel very intimidated bc I'm still pretty novice at Doom when it comes to Cybers

[finite crag]

I might make a map later for fun

I'm not good at it so I'm trying to practise decent design

[vale gyro]

I suppose so. Not a good player by any means, but I say your fine

[tepid tulip]

Yeah I think I could handle it

Again, Map07 just starts off in a small space in terms of the Cybs

It isn't just them when there's some chaingunners and I think a few revenants?

[steel lion]

Map 07 was the arena map?

[leaden root]

In what map has secret levels?

In doom 2

[vast reef]

doomwiki

[hexed escarp]

map15

[azure nimbus]

31 also has a secret exit. So a "100 %" playthrough would go 1,2,3,4,...,15,31,32,16,17,...,30. Be aware; if you are going for 100 % completion, some secrets are inaccessible. map15 has an "impossible" (technically doable with a glitch but not needed for official speedruns) and same story for map27

[leaden root]

I see a black medkit in a map but its bugged? When you go to the medkit you fall in crates and without noclip u cant go

[azure nimbus]

what level? You pick up the item then fall...in a crate?

[leaden root]

Nah, aroun you have 3 crates and a wall

Its on map11 12 or 13

[cerulean delta]

Level CD’s, anyone old enough to remember them?

https://imgur.com/a/RbO9vTu

Amazing bix art huh

What kind of demon is that?

[finite crag]

How many levels Actually work

[uncut onyx]

How do I play multiplayer

[vast reef]

zandronum or odamex

zandronum for mods and odamex for vanilla gameplay afaik

[uncut onyx]

Is it local

[vast reef]

unity port has local mp

[uncut onyx]

ok so there is a wya to play doom with someone else in the other side of the world, without somehow sharing your ip address or smt

[vast reef]

yeah

host a server with tspg

just google "tspg doom"

[uncut onyx]

Mind sending a tutorial?

nvm will do

[uncut onyx]

whats the noclip cheat code in doom2?

I cant find any that work

[vast reef]

idclip

[uncut onyx]

Dosent work. Also how do I turn off godmode lol

nvm turned it off

[vast reef]

press ` to access the console

then type in noclip and press enter

if that doesn't work, type in sv_cheats 1 first and press enter

[uncut onyx]

k ty

[remote cedar]

TSPG is very good for hosting with Zandronum

Zandronum is your sourceport of choice for all things multiplayer

Mega Man 8-bit Deathmatch (which is a Mega Man mod for Doom) uses Zandronum and it works wonders

[uncut onyx]

Is there a way I can see better in doom2? Yk like a flash light or smt

[remote cedar]

you can adjust your gamma

I don't remember where that option is tho

[uncut onyx]

How do I make it go down again lolk

[remote cedar]

make it go up

after 3.0 it goes back to 1.0

[uncut onyx]

k

[remote cedar]

otherwise there might be a way to keybind gamma down in your options

[uncut onyx]

Its ok. Ill stick with 2 gamma

[uncut onyx]

Is it just me or am I asking alot of questions atm lmao

[late venture]

Played plutonia on uv and got doomed

Cant even beat map01

[ornate vortex]

It do be like that when you first play plutonia. The trick is to try and get good weapons early on

[finite crag]

The trick is to play on easy/normal

[ornate vortex]

you could just play with nomo to get a feel of the map (maybe that’s just something I do because I speedrun maps)

[finite crag]

Just play on easy or normal

[cerulean delta]

Don’t forget ZDaemon and Odamex, there’s some fantastic mods there and vibrant communities for vanilla deathmatch.

And most single player ports like Chocolate Doom have some level of multiplayer support.

Btw I finally caved and got the Unity port of Doom on PC. Got tired of using a controller on Xbox

[finite crag]

I can't stand playing fps games with a controller

[cerulean delta]

The turning speed is just too slow for me

Everything else would be fine, I do like having an analog stick for forward/backward and strafe

Everything else is awful though.

[dusky sierra]

Is it weird that I suddenly find Doom on nightmare way too forgiving now that I've played wolfenstein 3D?
Not even on death incarnate, I played on bring em on

Now it feels weird remembering nightmare was a "so hard its not intended to be played like this" difficulty when Wolfenstein 3D's "Can I play Daddy?" genuinely made me shit my pants harder.

I'm still wondering how good the person who made the Wof3D difficulties are, I feel embarassed struggling on easy 😭

[finite crag]

wolf 3d is brutal

probably because damage is so fucky in that game
a shot can be 10 damage or 50

and enemies shoot through eachother which is fun.

[dusky sierra]

I feel so insulted playing it

[cerulean delta]

Also at least Doom 64 on consoles supports 100% keyboard and mouse controls

[dusky sierra]

I have casually speedran doom on nightmare but I genuinely can't get through my first playthrough without setting the difficulty to "Can I play daddy"

[finite crag]

i play on second easy difficulty and i still find it scaryish lol

[cerulean delta]

It has every setting the PC version comes with

[dusky sierra]

You can get shot and die casually, the game makes it feel like you're not anyone special in this game and you're as weak as anyone else

God who made the difficulties 😭

They're trying to make me feel SUPER insecure by basically calling me a baby to set the difficulty on easy (AND ITS STILL HARD)

[halcyon elm]

is it possible to change the fov on the unity ports?

[leaden root]

Is posibble to get the 3.1 zandronum ver?

Or its the 3.0 dead

[vast reef]

some kid managed to tear through wolf3d on death incarnate on the school computer back when i was in sixth grade so i always assumed it wasn't that hard 💀

[azure nimbus]

try pistol starting e1m3, e1m9, e2m6, e4m1, e4m6, map22, map29, map23, map15

[dusky sierra]

I already did that but accidentally switched to shotgun on map 23

[azure nimbus]

Hey, if you're powering through these on nightmare, das pretty powerful

[tepid pilot]

Does anyone know anything about the gun that doomguy is holding on the cover of DOOM 1993?

[leaden root]

Photo?

[tepid pilot]

I'm trying but it's not working

[hexed escarp]

is valiant easier or harder than eviternity

[tepid pilot]

I'll post the picture in #screenshots

[finite crag]

hello, for those who haves zandronum to play online, i'll make a server with brutal doom and an map i maked some secs ago, for those who wanna join, i'll publish an image of the server in #screenshots

[spice radish]

I’m not a gun nut but I would guess a sub machine gun? Whatever it is it’s not in the game.

[finite crag]

nobody will join lol

[split jewel]

Zandromum website?

[leaden root]

Yes, but i need for android

Ahhh, the gun its the zombieman gun

Its like the m4 of brutal doom

[fathom oxide]

just beat TNT Evilution 🥳

[ornate vortex]

I’m not sure, i’d say they’re around the same kind of difficulty, but valiant ramps up a lot quicker than eviternity

[finite crag]

When I first played doom I didn't know there was a run button

You just move so fast I just assumed like "ok that's it ig"

[dense plinth]

Yeah na that's the slow speed

U don't wanna be using that

[silent remnant]

original classic doom there was no always run option

[steel lion]

That why I prefer source ports

But I do like starting the game in dos

[finite crag]

There kinda was

[steel lion]

?

[silent remnant]

I mean if you held down Shift all the time, sure

[finite crag]

Isn't there that thing with joyb_speed

[steel lion]

?

[silent remnant]

personally i prefer it without autorun, makes movement a little more strategic

[steel lion]

I've always liked it,it made me feel like a Speedrunner in certain levels like e1m1

[silent remnant]

i never got into speedrunning, personally. it's kinda fun to watch sometimes but i don't like to do it

[steel lion]

I remember my best was 17 secs (in e1m1)

[finite crag]

"The joyb_speed setting can be set to 29 to make the player always run in most Doom versions and Doom engine games. Originally it was discovered that setting the value to 31 would produce the effect, but that value does not work on the engines of some games, such as Final Doom, Heretic, and Strife. Doom v1.0 is noteworthy in that neither 29 nor 31 enables autorun; the only currently known working value is 2029."

Does this work or not I've never been able to get it to work

[silent remnant]

i've never used it

so i have no idea

[finite crag]

I don't play enough dos doom to need it really

[steel lion]

Should I assume joyb_speed is for controllers and not keyboard and/or mouse

There were controllers in the 90s

[finite crag]

No it works with keyboard too

Yeah and I want one

Actually I do I have a sidewinder

But I wanna get a gravis gamepad of some sort one day

[silent remnant]

gravis gamepads were dope

[finite crag]

Gravis Ultrasound is better

Too bad they're super pricey

And you have to get a high end one or you'll need to get a sound blaster or something

[silent remnant]

yeah i'm too poor for that

[finite crag]

The soundfont is enough 😭

[high path]

Gonna play Plutonia wish me luck.

[azure nimbus]

Maybe a little bit. They're certainly close. I think Eviternity tops off a bit higher.

[ornate vortex]

how would I get around beating Crumpets map 8?

[narrow condor]

I played that one very cautiously and slowly.

The secrets reduce the difficulty a lot in the other later maps but the secrets in M08 contain things that prevent it from being too difficult, if that makes sense.

[ornate vortex]

It's the hardest map in crumpets from what i've heard

What you've suggested definitely made it a lot easier for me

I just have to take the fights slow and with extra care

I've got a strategy for getting a sub 5 on the map

It's basically just clearing out the pain elementals at the start and getting the ssg secret early

it's a lot slower than anc's strat but it's much safer

[modest galleon]

Can a Playstation player finish me map 29 in doom 2 shareplay coop please?

At nightmaee difficulty

[cerulean delta]

The Logitech gamepads are nice, very very sturdy.

[silent remnant]

I have a Logitech F310 and I love it.

[finite crag]

but it's not gravis

either way at most i use like 3 controllers lol
xb1 controller
ds4
pokken tournament controller

[cerulean delta]

No but it’s newer and has better features.

[finite crag]

like what

[cerulean delta]

Analog sticks and triggers for one, it also has a switch on the back for directinput or Xinput

[halcyon elm]

☠️ ⚰️ ☠️ ⚰️

[ornate vortex]

Ragequit after doing 160 attempts for crumpets map 8 (super annoying map btw)

[keen patrol]

Should i try to run Doom on my local theatre screen?

[finite crag]

Oh those switches are useful

[finite crag]

probably easier

[leaden root]

Some tips and tricks for doom 2? (Secrets. Monsters. Etc)

[silent remnant]

as soon as you start map01, go backwards and look to your left, you'll find a chainsaw.

[leaden root]

The Best trick what I Know is if You have a rocketlauncher You shoot down and you will do a rocketjump, its better When You have 30%

[silent remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-hopeless-really-seriously-embarrassed-gif-23205485

[leaden root]

Okno lol! But some tips?

[spice radish]

wrong game

[atomic violet]

Anyone want to do the trophy when I m with you from doom 2. Let me know if you guys are interested. I am from playstation

[finite crag]

Shotgun still has its uses, don't replace it with ssg

Both should be used for different things

[remote cedar]

use shotgun to snipe low tier enemies from a distance

SSG might be more cost-efficient but you must use it wisely

save it for bigger enemies or crowds of low tier enemies

[leaden root]

Thats a good tip, shotgun its good for zombieman to pinkys

When i see the arch vile, i was surprised and tense, because its a powerful enemy

[finite crag]

Ssg is better for for pinkies

[leaden root]

But the arch only cost 3 or 5 shots of ssg to kill easily

I was like: fast?

[finite crag]

I ssg lots of enemies but some I don't

I don't ssg barons cyberdemons and spider demons unless required
And I prefer to use other guns for pain elemental

[leaden root]

I has an strange moment with him

You know the map when in a room its a lot of baron of hells and a cyborg (i dont remember the name)

[remote cedar]

it's better to use SSG only if you're running out of rockets and plasma rifle

I usually SSG hellknights but I like to keep rockets for barons

[leaden root]

Cyberdemons

Him

[remote cedar]

I also tend to use a healthy balance of rockets and SSG for mancubi and arachnotrons

[remote cedar]

I just use either plasma rifle or BFG

no point in wasting rockets here

[leaden root]

You know the map when in a room its a lot of barons of hell and a cyberdemon?

[remote cedar]

Doom or Doom 2?

[leaden root]

2

[remote cedar]

Yeah that one

I just let them infight

and then I finish the rest either with BFG or rockets

I even go close quarters with em thanks to that invulnerability sphere nearby

[leaden root]

In that map, the first play i found a pain elemental and killed me, but again, i dont see him

[remote cedar]

pain elementals in real classic doom are a pain

[fathom oxide]

i usually play on hurt me plenty, so what difficulty should i try sigil on as a challenge?

[remote cedar]

they float but they're infinitely tall, thus you can't always kill them and they spawn lost souls which also are infinitely tall

[leaden root]

The worst thing on ultraviolence its the respawn

[remote cedar]

Ultra-Violence is a good difficulty for just about anything

[remote cedar]

no that's nightmare

[leaden root]

Nono

[fathom oxide]

ok I'll try it out

[remote cedar]

nightmare difficulty has respawning monsters

[leaden root]

Or its me

[remote cedar]

ultra violence doesn't

[leaden root]

In doom 1?

[remote cedar]

yes

in classic doom enemies don't respawn on any difficulty except nightmare

I'm stupid sorry

and some enemies are much more aggressive in nightmare difficulty too. any hitscanners (zombiemen, shotgunners, chaingunners) are absolutely terrifying

[fathom oxide]

my least favorite thing about classic doom is the hitscanners. You can't dodge any of their attacks and they're annoying too

[remote cedar]

to dodge hitscanners you can simply keep running to the side

[fathom oxide]

I'll keep that in mind

[remote cedar]

once they're set on shooting, their scope is locked so you can dodge them easier

of course, it's not completely foolproof. especially for chaingunners which will always end up landing a bullet or two in you at the very least

[fathom oxide]

i just dont like them because of the prominence in every level almost

[remote cedar]

it's usually early game for zombiemen and shotgunners

chaingunners will however persist in mid-late game

[fathom oxide]

i also find the cyberdemon to be kinda more scary than the mastermind

[remote cedar]

they're usually replaced with stronger enemies afterwards (notably Revenants)

[remote cedar]

probably because it's simply much stronger than the spider mastermind

[halcyon elm]

You can

[remote cedar]

the spider mastermind has 3K HP and has a DPS of about 80 max
meanwhile the cyberdemon has 4K HP and has a DPS of about 180 max

both are resistant to blast damage

which is why the BFG is the perfect weapon to take them down

[leaden root]

On doom 2 its horrible the respawn on ultra violence

Its my difficulty, not insane but not so easy

[dry pilot]

i tried cheesing doom 2 with gzdoom jumping but got stuck in a teleporter with no exits

[finite crag]

wdym

[dry pilot]

i mean a teleporter with walls surrounding so i cant get iout

[inner vine]

yo i just got a decent time on courtyard

with a glide

[honest carbon]

i like doom

https://tenor.com/view/duuum-aprov-doom-approve-okay-meme-gif-16687031

[finite crag]

Same

What about rise of the triad

[vast reef]

mfw

horizontal rocket jumps are possible though

[steady mauve]

is all fear the sentinel safe cause opera says it isnt

[vast reef]

opera fucking sucks

allfearthesentinel.com is safe

[steady mauve]

why does it suck?

[steady mauve]

it was cause i was using.net

[vast reef]

opera isn't actually that bad featurewise but opera is a forced download on tons of shady installers

as in forced

[steady mauve]

it saved me today

[vast reef]

i think any browser would've done that

well, any reputable browser

[gusty falcon]

a senario in mapping ive been seeing lately in my adventures with custom maps that i do not like is when a mapper puts a med kit right in front of a switch or door you need to progress

basically making you waste it if you're not in need of health at that moment

this is from bloodstained

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/473931297987887106/1122901116871524462/Screenshot_20230626-104709.png

this switch lowers the blue key in another room

[finite crag]

can't you just hit the switch on the side of like
not enough space ig

[gusty falcon]

Nope not enough space even though it looks like there might be

[finite crag]

medkit too close or are those walls on the side impassible

[gusty falcon]

Well The space between the medkit and those walls isn't wide enough to avoid touching the med kit when approaching the switch from either side

[steady mauve]

is there a doom 64 vr mod for oculus

[junior geyser]

That would be dope

[spice radish]

There not very fun though

[finite crag]

Guys should I buy a calculator with doom on it

[frozen jasper]

you could buy a calculator doesnt have doom on it and mod it yourself or just buy a normal calculator and play doom on your phone or something if you realy wanna play it on a small little device

[azure nimbus]

Don't think the dodge to the side thing is true at all. Enemies decide where to aim the moment they fire. If you can provide some proof @remote cedar, then my bad but I've never heard this before. Only thing you can do is keep your distance, use cover, and use pain chance

[remote cedar]

I thought enemies decided where to aim right before they fired, when their sprite changes to them getting ready to shoot. If I'm correct, that would mean you have a small window of time to get out of their scope before they actually shoot. I haven't found anything proving me right though.

[azure nimbus]

if that was true, then how do projectile enemies always shoot correctly?

Their sprites do an angle change twice. First when they start to attack and right before the projectile comes out(except barons and knights)

[remote cedar]

Listen man I don't know
If I'm wrong then I'm wrong, doesn't matter much to me

[zealous jetty]

are you guys talking about hit boxes

cause I don't see how much of that matters in a game where you shoot straight and your bullet hits something in the air

[remote cedar]

No we're talking about how enemies aim

[zealous jetty]

oh

well, I suggest you go into the game code and find that out, cause I don't know about how enemies aim

[remote cedar]

I'm not doing that

(I'm lazy)

[zealous jetty]

lol I'm lazy too

otherwise I would have beaten doom 2 already

[hexed escarp]

I wish there was a yt series of someone playing plutonia for the first time

That would be so funny

[junior karma]

sunlust would be even funnier, "ok so this game is called doom, as you'll find it's quite easy"

[vast reef]

yeah

[vast reef]

italo doom

[cerulean delta]

Doom II solo en España

[stoic shadow]

hey there peeps

recently downloaded GZDOOM

and my first two mods were MOON and MyHouse

and i was wondering if anyone here knew how to combine 'em

[dusky sierra]

Can someone tell me why so many Doom mods (weapon ones to be specific) tend to always have no reloading?

[vast reef]

...because doom doesn't have reloading?

reloading is NOT the default

[finite crag]

Why would you want reloading in doom

Idk reloading is annoying for me if a gun isn't fully loaded I fixate on it

[ornate vortex]

6 letters to respond to that:
dmnsns

[dusky sierra]

WAIT NO I MEANT A BUG

[dusky sierra]

@vast reef @finite crag

I know I'm late but I misworded what I was trying to say which sort of twisted the way you two see it.

(I don't blame you, I typed that message in a rush)

What I was actually trying to say :

Alot of the weapon mods that I'm really looking up to right now have reloading in them (gunslinger 2.0, highnoondrifter, naku naru, etc)
And whilst I do prefer NOT having reloading, alot of these mods don't have an option to turn them off.

Funnily enough, turns out its because I accidentally set R as crouch and that automatically removes my keybinds for reload so this isn't a problem anymore 😬

[dusky sierra]

Oh yeah no 100% if I could turn it off, I would the second I checked.

The reason why I'm addicted to doom is because I hate reloading lol, but I wouldn't avoid it if the mod quality out performs my hate for it.

I regret sending that message now because now I seem like I like reloading.

And I also hate sending that message because apperantly it was me being stupid and not actually a bug

[mint elk]

I'm curious I want to get into doom modding as a fan of pve mods like cod zombies, what's a good mod to start with? I heard brutal doom is good

[finite crag]

Plutonia

[mint elk]

Also I'm a big fan of shotguns as my main go to weapon, what are mods with awesome shotties?