classic-doom

[azure nimbus]

Gz is fine. I just don't like when people act like it's totally vanilla

[tepid tulip]

You can customize GZDoom to be more vanilla but it's still more GZDOOM than true vanilla

But I usually use GZDoom the most so

If I want to be a lot more serious in doing Doom runs on HMP/UV then I would end up using DSDA

GZ is just when I wanna pop in some Doom mods and have a good time

[calm cradle]

Who tf is acting like gzdoom is vanilla

[ionic sluice]

Can you like disable jumping (and looking up/down) in gzdoom?
I don’t think I’ve messed with the settings enough

[tepid tulip]

I don't think people were claiming that GZDoom is vanilla but I came in a bit late to that conversation

[azure nimbus]

#classic-doom message

[next dagger]

someone asked what is the closest thing to vanilla and I said that Chocolate is the closest thing to classic vanilla but getting GZdoom and then customizing it to be vanilla-like is better

[calm cradle]

Well it’s definitely not, but I do get your point. GZDoom cares more about preserving the feel of og doom with a bunch of modern conveniences

Most people who actually cares about the differences tend to be really insufferable people

[next dagger]

got that right lmao

doom purists is the title

[calm cradle]

Only time those differences are important is in speedrunning

[zenith berry]

I know that MyHouse.wad has its own story, but I like to see it as Doomguy’s dream before the start of 2016, when he wakes up from his sarcophagus.

[next dagger]

everyone knows that Doom Zero is cannon cuz it happens before 2016

[zenith berry]

That was moments before he was put in the sarcophagus.

[ionic sluice]

I like how the guy who lost everything
he loved and whose world is currently consumed at the very moment he is asleep would dream about a completely irrelevant house

[zenith berry]

It could be his childhood house. Or his last house before he recruited to be a space marine.

[ionic sluice]

Fair enough that could actually make sense

[dapper flint]

Facts

[delicate moon]

Why is this game so large on console? Also, myhouse.wad, nice

[calm cradle]

Intro videos

[ionic sluice]

You know trying to actually make something in ultimate doom builder sounds fun

[calm cradle]

Plus the unity wrapper to make it work on consoles

[dapper flint]

Really missed using eternity engine. To bad its a lost cause

[delicate moon]

Makes sense

[calm cradle]

I need to get back on working on my own source port

I have aspirations of making a p2p website for old school deathmatch

Fun fact: you were allowed to play deathmatch with the shareware version, so I could make the site free

[next dagger]

I would love an actual good match finder for Classic doom. Zandro's server list is not good and we need somethin updated

[tepid tulip]

Eh for me I don't care about the teeny details to why GZDOOM isn't vanilla

Or is vanilla

If I want a pure vanilla experience to practice mapsets, I just would use Crispy or DSDA

Well dsda honestly would be for me to track my progress when I do a practice run

[calm cradle]

DSDA is on the fast track of becoming the new popular vanilla engine

I’m honestly excited for it

[delicate moon]

How do I even get gzdoom?

I have a PC, so it should work

I'ma put this in notes so I can copy it into my computer later, thanks!

[ionic sluice]

With gzdoom you can just go to your saves list and press the delete key

[tepid tulip]

I mainly went on board to use DSDA bc decino uses it a lot often

Whenever I plan on recording myself on playing Doom wads, yeah I would end up playing with DSDA

[dapper flint]

If you do don't half ass it and never bother updating it

Make something like eternity but eith a kevans twist

[dapper flint]

You'll need a decent one

Most gz only maps will make your pc put in work

[calm cradle]

That’s a myth

GZdoom will handle 99% of wads out there just fine

The outliers are maps/mods that are deliberately limit pushing

Or when people load up way too many mods that don’t bother to optimize

[dapper flint]

I don't know man I had a potato top for a while and uh..

https://youtu.be/1UfwWzMHx14

Jeez I don't know how I played this hahaha

It's horrible

[calm cradle]

The crux of the issue is that Doom is not a modern pc friendly game

GZDoom is making Doom do something it wasn’t designed to do

The same issues would exist if crispy or dsda adopted what gzdoom does

[dapper flint]

I do really love gz. What would your sourceport be like ?

[calm cradle]

It plays doom

I’m not aiming to compete with anybody. The pipe dream would be a website you can log into and jump into a classic deathmatch

[silent remnant]

Do what Nightdive did to Quake. Be able to jump into a crossplay multiplayer game straight from the menu.

[calm cradle]

That’s a bigger task than you realize

I’ve done a few p2p projects and feel like I can have an honest stab at it

Functional drop in crossplay would need someone who knows much more than me

The major reason why gzdoom doesn’t have multiplayer like zandronum is simply because no one on the team knows how to do it, and anyone that could would have a tremendously huge task laid before them

[silent remnant]

Oh I wasn't suggesting you do it. But my hypothetical ideal source port would make that happen. Otherwise it would play pretty much exactly the same as the original, with support for modern WADs.

As for Doom not being a modern PC friendly game, I can run it from DOSBox just fine.

[calm cradle]

That’s an emulator

The disconnect comes from the fact that gzdoom takes a lot of modern technologies to make doom “bleeding edge”

Since it was designed to run on computers from the 90’s, shoe horning in features that are far too new for it are going to cause problems

It can’t afford all of the performance gains vulkan can offer

It will forever be tied to your cpu for performance

[silent remnant]

I don't care for GZDoom, personally. At least not for Doom. It's a great game engine on its own but I feel like it's best when it's not used to make Doom WADs.

[remote cedar]

I mean... is GZDoom really built for anything that isn't Doom?

[silent remnant]

yes

[remote cedar]

How so?

[calm cradle]

While it has the ability to make standalone games, it’s never going to be a standalone engine

Until most of the main developers step down and let in fresh blood, it’s going to remain a doom engine

[silent remnant]

A bunch of great standalone games have been made with GZDoom. Some of them aren't even FPS games.

[silent remnant]

sadly

[remote cedar]

Yeah, and it is surprising. I've seen it literally today. But it's still a Doom engine first and foremost... It's designed to run Doom with extra features to freshen up the Doom experience.

[next dagger]

is Blade of Agony made on it? Blade of Agony is unironically the best Wolfenstein game even though its not a wolfenstein game at all lmao

[remote cedar]

Sure, I can talk about the total conversion mods out there that scoop all of Doom out of the experience, but they still run on a Doom engine

[silent remnant]

I...think so? I'm not entirely sure. But yeah, it probably is.

[calm cradle]

I like gzdoom because I’ve always had silly ideas for mods growing up, and it lets me fully realize them

I’m so good the creator of MyHouse asked for help

[remote cedar]

did they actually

[next dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/dude-the-level-of-ego-behind-that-statement-speech-gif-17224946

[calm cradle]

I do have an ego, lol

[calm cradle]

You can find my name in the credits file of the pk3, which can be opened up like a .zip

But full disclaimer: I did not contribute a huge amount to the project

Veddge is effectively the sole developer. He’s a good friend and sought my expertise in gzdoom for the things he couldn’t figure out

[remote cedar]

Oh hey that's pretty cool I didn't know that

[calm cradle]

He deserves full credit. I’m just an attention whore, lol

[dapper flint]

Definitely deserves all the credit

[hexed escarp]

does myhouse work in coop?

also, i have a question

for the basement

why use a floor portal to fake room over room instead of just using 3d floors

[zenith berry]

Given on how things go in the mod, I think it's intentional.

Later stages of the house actually used 3D floors iirc.

||I wonder what happens if one runs the mod via Brutal Doom.||

[dapper flint]

https://youtu.be/Fzgm5woS4mU

[next dagger]

Impossible. Old school doom is actually a top down shooter but it tricks you into thinking your playing from Doom guys POV. Its impossible to make maps that have floors on top of each other

[next dagger]

That shotgun sfx is MEATY I love it

[zenith berry]

The GZDoom engine breaks most limits.

With careful UDMF mapping it is possible to have floor-over-floor areas, or at least via some trickery.

GZ’s 3D floors feature is that.

[dapper flint]

I usually don't like the changes to gun sounds but Heartland killed it

[hexed escarp]

i know that, gzdoom adds 3d floors

which this map uses

[prisma hawk]

I have a question for the community

I have not played or seen anything on that wad

[royal heron]

good

it's an experience in itself

[prisma hawk]

Why is it considered the scariest?

[royal heron]

it's quite unnerving and basically uses your brain against you, like any psychological horror

[prisma hawk]

I love and hate that

And it's a very advanced wad for what doom is, right?

[royal heron]

yep

pretty cool stuff with what it has

won't be surprised if it wins a cacoward

[prisma hawk]

How often are the cacowards?

And should I really go into it blind?

[royal heron]

it's best if you do

trying to find endings by yourself is the most satisfying

[tough merlin]

Rootpain

[royal heron]

my gzdoom unfortunately doesn't work right now for some stupid reason so I basically spoiled the entire thing for myself by watching Power Pak's video

which I don't recommend(I mean spoiling yourself, not not watching the video)

[next dagger]

do it

[royal heron]

watch the video after you play the wad and get some endings

[next dagger]

I would recommend doing a play through and then after watching his vid

cuz its a great vid

[royal heron]

yeah I know

[next dagger]

and finding the secret ending is a huge pain

[royal heron]

if I do have to share 1 thing though before you play

There's no good outcome from a house fire.

interpret that however your wish

[finite crag]

GzDoom has a 3d floor feature which you can make room over room sections with

[hard falcon]

why is the full helmet hud for Brutal GZDOOM so small?

it doesnt take up the full screen

[dapper flint]

Why brutal doom

[hard falcon]

because

[prisma hawk]

I didn't see the soul sphere the first time....

[calm cradle]

This misconception needs to die. Doom's lack of room over room is a map limitation due to being a rudimentary BSP tree, not some "trick" to make it look 3D. Doom is actually 3D.

[dapper flint]

Doesn't help when sandy goes on stream saying doom is 2.5

[calm cradle]

Dude didn't even contribute any programming

[next dagger]

cuz it aint full 3D. Maybe me saying its more a top-down shooter was lowballing it a bit but its not full 3D. Also dont lowball Sandy as if he has no idea he made more doom maps than anyone so Im sure hes atleast somewhat knowledgeable on the engine

[calm cradle]

It's full 3D

It's full of shortcuts, sure, but it's still 3D

To put this into perspective: Quake had only slightly higher system requirements compared to Doom and ran in software

[dapper flint]

It's absolutely full 3d my friends

[calm cradle]

Quite literally the difference between the two is Carmack read a book on how to properly draw 3D shapes

I'm not joking there either

The guy has admitted the Doom engine was him spitballing how to draw 3D shapes on a screen

[dapper flint]

Sandy makes things up constantly. Such as saying he invented the imp. This lie Romero caught however and sandy was blasted hard. Very embarrassing

[next dagger]

Im not saying Sandy is a saint Im just saying "he contributed no programming" isnt saying that much when he designed more than half the levels in the duo

hes still familiar and experienced with the tech

[calm cradle]

Let me rephrase this: Sandy has very little credibility on how that engine works, because he didn't contribute to it

[dapper flint]

Making levels is not the same as programming

[calm cradle]

I've made my own map rendering code for Doom. It's not great, but I can confidentially say I know how that engine works in those regards.

[dapper flint]

Imagine if sandy tried the same during development. Carmack would have taken his soul

[calm cradle]

Carmack would probably entertain the idea, but it'd be the rest of the team that'd shoot it down

Anyways, here's my code in action, runs in your web browser: https://kevansevans.github.io/HxDoom/demo/

Code is icky and I don't plan on revisiting it

[ruby crater]

Doom is 3D, but people get confused because sprites are 2D, but the sprites change depending on which angle you are viewing the actor from like enemies. But there are some that do not like some lighting decorations, I think?

The world you move around in and shoot in is inhabiting 3 dimensions though, Doomguy just has a broken neck and can't look around

[finite crag]

i don't get how people are confused about it being 2d cause sprites or whatever idk

most games you'd call 3d use sprites probably

[calm cradle]

Sprites are actually extremely common, but they're reserved for things you really won't ever be in a position to notice they're sprites

Most explosions you see in modern games are 2D sprites

[ruby crater]

It can be a bit awkward sometimes when you view bigger enemies like cyberdemons from a lower elevation, because sprites don't have any depth to them, or if you mouselook and look down at certain things, but that's generally why I don't use mouselook in doom..it tends to stretch or ruin the immersion in a number of cases

haha immersion in classic doom

[past berry]

Might as well beat a dead horse

Thoughts on Brutal Doom?

[ruby crater]

It's cool for what it is, but I don't use it. Doom is something I try to appreciate without gameplay mods if I'm playing through a megawad like Ancient Aliens or Hell Revealed

Same with smooth doom? Whatever tries to make the gun animations "smoother", because it makes Doom not feel like Doom anymore to a certain extent

[past berry]

I'm on the complete opposite here. I can't enjoy Doom on my computer without it.
If I wanna play the classic dooms like a purist, I do it on switch, otherwise? Brutal Doom all the fucking way

Unpopular opinion, but I like the gun reloading in Brutal Doom

[ruby crater]

That's fair. Everyone can enjoy Doom in their own way

[finite crag]

meh

it's fine i guess

[tacit remnant]

Brutal Doom feels silly to me. I don’t see the point of increased gore that is animated separately from the original sprite. It’s kind of ugly

[finite crag]

and the creator is uhhh
something

[past berry]

The creator's a dick, yeah.

[ruby crater]

Yeah I don't wanna poopoo on anyone's enjoyment of Brutal Doom, but I don't think all the "fuck yourself's" and reloading adds much for me when I play Doom. Everyone has their own taste for Doom

I like my Doomguy making sounds when I hump walls and take damage

[past berry]

Even if he did make the most important Doom mod of all time, the size of his ego rivals the size of the known universe

[past berry]

Doomguy still makes sounds when you hump walls and get hurt in brutal doom afaik

and i like the fact that flipping demons off COMPLETELY aggros any demons in a specific radius, even if they're not bothered by any other noise

[ruby crater]

I'm pretty sure he does, but I just meant moreso, that's all I prefer Doomguy making in terms of sounds, because the voice acting comes off cringe to me

Or at the very least, not fitting

[past berry]

"Go fuck yourself!"

It's a manly as hell voice actor but that little voice crack makes me laugh

[ruby crater]

If I ever want a goofy gameplay mod, I tend to go with Russian Overkill and mess around in Chillax.wad

But that's about as goofy as my doom experience gets

[dense plinth]

Iirc you can turn off the reloading in bd

And there's also purist mode

With mostly classic doom weapons

[past berry]

It's not just the gameplay that does it for me, it's the over the top gore mixed with the gameplay

Plus, the reimagined weapons fit perfectly too

and also the black metal difficulty is perfect for me

[dense plinth]

I prefer playing Project Brutality over Brutal Doom

[past berry]

it's not as hard as Nightmare! and it's not as easy as Ultra Violence, it's the perfect in between for me

[dapper flint]

Both are ass

[next dagger]

Yeah I mean I didn't think it was full 3D but def not cuz of sprites. Fav shooter is blood cuz Sprites > Poly. lol

[next dagger]

Brutal doom is fun to try but I could never imagine actually playing with any aspect of it

[dapper flint]

I've played around with it. Gives the illusion of fast paced but actually does the opposite

[next dagger]

I do hate the reloading idk why they would add that in a mod thats all about nonstop holy balls crazy explosion Michael Bay oh wait hold on let me reload my shotgun shells

[finite crag]

that part is very annoying

it makes it super slow

[ruby crater]

Been meaning to play Blood. Is it like Doom with source ports or is there a version on steam to play?

[azure nimbus]

there are ports but they're much less ubiquitous. don't think the sourcecode was ever released. "Blood Fresh Supply", a remake, is the easiest version to get

[vast reef]

overhyped

[past berry]

How so?

[vast reef]

played it and was disappointed

fun on black metal though

bd makes for a good weapon pack when paired with a harder monster pack because the monster changes aren't drastic enough to cope with the buffed weapons

[next dagger]

there is a steam version to play and there is also source ports. RAZE is an almost perfect port but it doesnt have cutscenes which obviously sucks for a first time playthrough

I will say Blood is better than old school doom and I love old school doom

[past berry]

Disappointed how?

C'mon, be honest and specific

[vast reef]

thought it would make the game super fast-paced ala the modern games, or ultrakill/dusk

but then i remembered it was a 2012 mod, trying to mimick the games of 2012

[dapper flint]

Not only that the gameplay promotes door fighting

[vast reef]

that too

sniping and door fighting

[autumn marsh]

How do people find players to play through nightmare to unlock the acheivement not bad or when im with you.

[dapper flint]

https://youtu.be/Fzgm5woS4mU

You can't do this is pb or brutal doom

[autumn marsh]

Cuz its local coop and not online..so lol

[dapper flint]

Period

[vast reef]

if you're comparing just base classic doom and brutal doom, i guess i can see why you'd prefer the latter

but i played some harder wads before bd and classic doom already has fairly fast pace on those

[azure nimbus]

By plugging in a second controller and playing solo

[dense plinth]

I think Brutal Doom has become more popular as a base mod rather than a mod itself

[vast reef]

bd forks, yeah

[dense plinth]

Cause multiple mods are mod of Brutal Doom rather than regular Doom

Live Through Doom is pretty popular if you like that slower paced survival like gameplay

[vast reef]

bd kickass edition, bd reloaded, bd platinum, bd black, and like 90 more

[dense plinth]

I didn't like bd black

It's on par with regular bd in terms of fun for me

PB is also a fork of BD of course

[vast reef]

pb runs like dogshit

felt like it was trying to be dumbed-down and bloody complex doom, but still better than vanilla bd

[dense plinth]

It's not complex

It just gives you a lot of options

But it doesn't really matter what you choose tbh

Everything kills

[past berry]

i just play vanilla brutal v21.11.0

[vast reef]

yeah

complex doom is a mod

[past berry]

turn off ingame music, put my classic metal playlist and get to killin'

[dense plinth]

Ahh

I haven't played complex doom

I do think that these mods give you too much to use tho

[vast reef]

i found myself savescumming too much on complex-cf and even just lca, so god complex felt like it would be a relief because it had a proper progression system

but even in gc i still savescummed quite a bit

[dense plinth]

Like, pb has pretty much 3 weapons to each binding almost

[vast reef]

death and decay best doom mod

[dense plinth]

When am I ever gonna use all of those is my main thought

Hmm, haven't played that one either

[vast reef]

dust's pandemonia is pretty cool too

[vast reef]

in complex doom, there's tons of available weapons because it's up to RNG to decide which ones spawn

basically works like a roguelike

oh yeah, speaking of roguelikes, drla is awesome

[dense plinth]

hmmm

[royal heron]

but I don't think all the "fuck yourself's" and reloading adds much for me when I play Doom

I agree on the middle finger, just seems kind of cringe

and why would the demons even react to that anyway?

[analog ridge]

I hate that big-eyed Cacodemon in Project ALALN. Gives me the creeps.

[hard falcon]

[MESSAGE DELETED]

[ionic sluice]

Wait you can flip the demons off in brutal doom? That hilarious

[naive plover]

Everytime I just love going back to Russian overkill. Its so busted but I love it for that lmao

[finite crag]

now i try out heartland

[finite crag]

#690991771039039498

[split jewel]

Finished MyHouse...it is sure something

[autumn marsh]

True.

[zenith berry]

I must have discovered another type of bad ending on MyHouse.wad

Don't interact with the power box downstairs after you collect the blue skull.

[finite crag]

Original doom i gold

[floral basin]

yes

[fathom heart]

does anyone here play Doom 1993 with DOOM FIGHTERS mod and have a camera bug ?

[floral basin]

what kinda mods do you/did you enjoy?

Do total conversions count, or are you planning to play them on random maps?

[zenith berry]

I love MetaDOOM, a gameplay mod that brings aspects from every other DOOM game into one.

[remote cedar]

I don't see how that's a bad ending

[ionic sluice]

Holy shit metadoom sounds fun

[royal heron]

There's no good outcome from a house fire.

[ionic sluice]

I’ll have to ditch my doomrpg setup but hopefully it’ll work with obsidian level generator

[royal heron]

Setting off the breaker is never good

[ionic sluice]

Uh basically I have doomrpg + drla (and the monster pack) + corruption cards all put together
Obsidian level generator is a thing that, well, generates doom levels
You can give it a theme or tell it to mix it up and it can generate an entire game’s worth of levels

[zenith berry]

I should also mention that there’s more to it, once you acquire a specific artifact and head down you will “speedrun” to a later part of the WAD.

Though that’ll still be no use since you’ll still miss a couple of artifacts before that point, leaving you no way to properly proceed in the end.

I might be kinda spoiling but to see the map’s proper endings you’ll need to acquire all artifacts.

[ionic sluice]

Also pro tip: ||jump in the bathtub||

[royal heron]

Also another pro tip: No one likes stepping into a bloodbath.

Not spoiling this because I feel it's vague enough to not reveal anything direct

[finite crag]

i finished sunlust map10 and 11

map10's final room is definitely the hardest room in sunlust so far

map11 is forgiving, just the rl fight is annoying

[dapper flint]

Sunlusts earlier levels are pretty easy

[nimble hare]

I've been having a blast through Anomaly Report

[finite crag]

maps 01-07 are cakewalks

08-23 are harder but not very tough (excluding map32), from much as i heard about the maps, and from map24 it's an exhausting, soul grinding, and excrutiating, one hell of a wad

i played maps 1-11 only, but i heard things about sunlust so that's why i wrote this

Guys, if you've beaten scythe 2, which is your favourite episode? Mine is episode 4: Waste. It's dramatic and atmospheric, especially map17 and map20.

[ionic sluice]

Do all gameplay mods work with custom maps (ones without scripting or anything fancy)
Asking because I wanna try out MetaDoom but I’m kinda sick of the default maps in doom 2

[finite crag]

play it with scythe 1

[ionic sluice]

Ok that sounds kinda fun

[hexed escarp]

Well, il never say all

But most well made ones

[ionic sluice]

Oh wait I think I’m just gonna steal the doom1 wad from eternal so I get to play those levels
Wait actually can you play through 2 iwads in a source port
Eg you put in doom I and II, now when you’re done doom 1 you go to 2

[hexed escarp]

Only one way to find out

[ionic sluice]

Nvm, but at least you get to choose

[ionic sluice]

how do you get the red keycard in doom2 map04?

nevermind I got it that's just really weird

[finite crag]

Remember
You never need keycards
Only idclip/idspispopd

[finite crag]

so i played that infamous moon man mod

pretty strange

i hope i never have to talk about it

[dapper flint]

Play man on the moon next

[ornate vortex]

Im back from my short break

well, will be tomorrow

[halcyon willow]

Yugi's map?

[dapper flint]

Yeeee that's the one. Really good time

[halcyon willow]

Yeah it's good

I just saw him tweet that he's doing a remake of it too

[dapper pier]

any body here ever played myhouse.wad

[ashen raptor]

i have

[dapper pier]

its a trip isnt it

[ashen raptor]

yeah for sure

[dapper pier]

it was so cursed when the door actually opened normally

[ashen raptor]

when it happened to me i was like uhhh

[dapper pier]

i freaked out

[ashen raptor]

yeah same

[dapper pier]

its so weird seing somthing go from nice to batshit schizophrenic

[ashen raptor]

when i completed it and i went to underhalls, i was like yes good, but when it went back to my house i was like wait NO

[dapper pier]

yeah

[ashen raptor]

yeah its very trippy though, like i dont think that 2 rooms can be layered on top of eachother in dooms engine if im not mistaken, so i knew something was off right from the start

[dapper pier]

did you know that all of the joke stuff, like pumpkin rick and roll for intercourse went just jokes, but tributes to inside jokes him and his freind shared?

[ashen raptor]

no i did not know that

[dapper pier]

yeah thats why thers a shrek boss fight

[ashen raptor]

yeah ok i get it now

[dapper pier]

gotta go afk

see ya

[azure nimbus]

GZdoom isn't the doom engine anyway. Stuff on GZ has a lot more freedom in terms of how levels are structured

[ashen raptor]

oohh ok now it makes sense

[next dagger]

I've never heard of Scythe 2 but everyone here seems to be talking ab it. Any good yt vids I should check out?

[halcyon willow]

Funnily thing is tho, with all the things gzdoom supports, you still can't actually have a room over a room. Only create the impression of room over room

[floral basin]

I remember liking Scythe 2 until it started to turn into a slaughter map. Map23 is where I dropped it, I am pretty sure. For videos, I just watched the UV-Max speedruns for a bit to recall where I left off. (Though weirdly enough, I don't remember any of the past maps at all.)

[azure nimbus]

Decino played scythe2, I played scythe2, and mtpain did a review.

[next dagger]

ok nice Ill check out Decino's thing hes good

[halcyon willow]

Scythe 2 is good stuff

[azure nimbus]

The battle between doom and apartment buildings

[halcyon willow]

Oh man

Good way to kill frame rate is make a realistic city map lol

Don't do it kids

City maps. Not even once

[azure nimbus]

cities get low framerate irl anyway

[halcyon willow]

[ionic sluice]

Gonna try Zdaemon today

[royal heron]

Stacks on stacks of "rooms over rooms"

Oof

[pearl plume]

Does anyone else find it hard to go back to vanilla classic doom once they’re introduced to Y axis look movement????

I only recently got to finally try classic doom on PC and geez Louise I have no idea how I ever played this game without up and down looking

[vale gyro]

nah

[finite crag]

No

[pearl plume]

Okay good to know I’m the only one

I swear being able to look downwards is like crack to me

[dense kestrel]

js try old doom fr

[hard falcon]

@ruby dome any help with this one?

Script error, "D2016ArsenalCode-r1.1.pk3:actors/d4arsenal/core/playerclass.dec" line 6:
Unexpected 'Marine' in definition of 'Doomer2'

https://www.moddb.com/mods/brutal-doom/addons/doom-2k16-arsenal

[dapper flint]

For real? Like expand it for add things to the orginal project

[ruby dome]

Hmm I dont know much about brutal doom add ons. If you are using something like ZDL, the load order might matter, probably has to go after the main brutal doom mod.

[hard falcon]

should i start it via .bat?

also, i use GZDOOM

[ruby dome]

You can build a bat, to load both brutal doom and this add on.

ZDL is useful in loading multiple add-ons into GZDoom https://github.com/lcferrum/qzdl/releases

[hexed escarp]

Is it weird that I love listening to the plutonia midi pack when doing other stuff but when actually playing plutonia I prefer the og music?

[dense plinth]

there's a plutonia midi?

is it community made?

[dense kestrel]

try the latest gzdoom

[split jewel]

Myhouse really made House of Leaves popular lol

[dense plinth]

I love how the plasma gun melts the cyberdemon

[finite crag]

its sad seeing things go from cringe to based

[dense plinth]

huh, I never realized the pinkies were kinda broken in halls of the damned

quite a few of the monster closet traps with like 6 pinkies and 1 baron has the pinkies stuck clipping into each other till one of them dies in chocolate doom

and I checked the dos version and the same thing happened

it actually made dealing with them easier because I wasn't immediately rushed when I approached them

[atomic dust]

which Classic Doom enemy has probably the goriest death animation in your opinion?

to me, it’s the Mancubus. its head explodes and its body slows gets divided in half

[half cradle]

Idk honestly.Cyberdemon,Cacodemon or Baron

[azure nimbus]

yes

[dense plinth]

ahh

[atomic dust]

Plutonia normally reuses tracks from both Doom 1 and 2

which I don’t find to be that bad because those tracks are so iconic

I recognize the Doom 1 episode 3 ending theme more as the Arch-Vile maze theme

[dense plinth]

probably hell baron/knight

they literally just melt

[vast reef]

noticed something in the doomwiki on the Top 10 Infamous WADs page that might count as an error: "This WAD (excluding its two successors) possibly has the map with the highest monster count in Doom history (10,617).", referring to nuts.wad

okuplok has more by a very large margin and i'm pretty sure another map exists out there with somehow even more monsters, but nuts.wad is more well-known, so should it be left as is?

[remote cedar]

iirc there is a map that spawns 100k revenants but I'm not sure if that increases the monster count

in any case, nuts.wad is more popular

[narrow condor]

I think that statement merits changing because Okuplok is popular enough to have a Doom Wiki article of its own. Maybe it could be changed to something like 'was the map with the highest monster count until...' or such.

[vast reef]

i see

[narrow condor]

Profane Promiseland is a non-joke wad with 40k monsters but it doesn't appear on Doom Wiki.

[vast reef]

oh damn

this looks insane, need to try this soon

[narrow condor]

decino beat it in 9,5 hours with saves.

I don't think it's beatable without saves unless you're willing to grind hundreds of attempts and spend 6 hours on average on each.

[vast reef]

wait, his 170k special is split up into two

9.5 hours and 11.5 hours

[narrow condor]

Oh right

The first 3,5 hours of the second video is the continuation of the first one.

(Including the secret fight)

After that he tries to beat the fight that took him hours in the first video with no midfight saves.

(He gives up after 8 hours.)

[remote cedar]

so that's a total of like... 17-18 hours?

It's honestly fucking crazy to think that a Doom map could take this long to complete

[narrow condor]

To be honest, it's as far from the average Doom map as it gets. It feels less like an actual map and more like a technical experiment intended to break records, just like Okuplok.

It still falls short of a joke wad like nuts.wad (since every kid with a Doom map editor tries to make a map with as many monsters as possible and gets bored in 15 minutes) because of the amount of effort put into it. The fights are designed to have solutions and be beatable with skill (even RNG-heavy ones), and the level geometry is pleasantly designed.

[vast reef]

yes

also, does anybody like listening to playthroughs of slaughter maps while working/studying

no commentary of course

[split jewel]

That page is year old

Nowdays there are waaaay more wads infamous than those

[vast reef]

well, duh

the thread it's referring to is 20 years old

not a year old

with that info in mind, i shouldn't change it because it's meant to reflect the doomworld thread

[finite crag]

from map23 it's definitely extreme, but i got through it

What's your favourite episode in scythe 2 guys? Mine is episode 4

[finite crag]

Played myhouse.wad, was fucking incredible, not just as a Doom wad but as a work of art by itself. Highly recommend.

[azure nimbus]

Antaresian Reliquary map31 has 42690 monsters. 10k isn't even close to the highest. at the time, it probably was, but certainly not anymore

[vast reef]

was 42690 intentional

[azure nimbus]

I'd be hard pressed to think it isn't.

I can't play the map really. The first portion of the map is a bunch of fights that are mostly normal. But then everything opens up and the remaining several 10k monsters are released. At that point, my framerate drops to single digits

[cloud gazelle]

What are your thoughts on the experience of someone playing the classic Doom games for the first time.
In my opinion even today it would still be loved,
however one critique is that buttons can sometimes blend into the walls too much
or the player can get a bit lost on where to go in certain levels.

[vast reef]

https://doomwiki.org

walkthroughs

you get better at navigating levels anyway

[cloud gazelle]

Fair enough, however I think walk-through kinda defeat the purpose of playing a game blind, but game guides have always existed so fair point.

[finite crag]

When I played them for the first time, having only played 2016 at the time, I adored them.

Hell, I rank Doom 1993 above 2016, and Plutonia alongside it.

[cloud gazelle]

I prefer to think of most doom games in a vacuum with other games of their Era.

Comparing classic to 3 to new doom just doesn't seem fair

Some comparisons are good and fun, but in terms of what's better that's a complicated debate

[finite crag]

Personally my ranking remains the same even when I compare them.

[atomic dust]

I think the Classic Doom games are still fun

the pixelated graphics have their appeal, the music and sound design is awesome and the combat is great

man I just love using the super shotgun. it sounds great, has great animations and is very useful against most enemies in the game, like Pinkies and Cacodemons

[floral basin]

I don't even remember it being episodic. I'd replay it but there is already so many wads I want to play through but haven't.

I think I was having fun towards where I left off, so that'd be ep 3 I guess.

[finite crag]

it has 6 five map episodes with different themes

i played through all of them

[floral basin]

Are the green levels ep 3?

[finite crag]

from the middle of ep5 is where the wad gets extremely difficult

[finite crag]

it's ep5

[floral basin]

ah

[finite crag]

green jungle levels is ep5

[floral basin]

that one's my fav

[finite crag]

from the middle of it is where the wad gets extremely tough

from map23

[floral basin]

I might just play from map23 maybe

instead of replaying the entire thing

[finite crag]

no

no

[floral basin]

I think it pistol starts you at one point anyways

[finite crag]

at the last map of each episode it kills you forcing you to start the next episode with just a pistol

[floral basin]

No as in "the earlier levels are so good" or "dont waste your sanity playing past 23"

[finite crag]

the earlier levels are good

almost all of the levels are good

except map31 and stuff

[finite crag]

in my opinion, episode 1 and 3 are the weakest in scythe 2

ep 1 is gothic earth and ep 3 is almost a themeless industry uac bases

[floral basin]

Have you played Scythe 1?

[finite crag]

i'm almost at the end

i'm at map27

[floral basin]

Would you say it still holds up? Its design feels very old-school based on what I've seen. (Especially compared to Scythe 2)

[finite crag]

only it's slaughtermaps hold up

like map26 and 30

[ashen raptor]

I had always thought that getting lost was intentional because you're supposed to spend time figuring the level out.

[cloud gazelle]

You are right in that aspect. However sometimes players get lost purely from rather small things like a hard to see button at a weird angle.
It's completely fine, just a nitpick that I think could be avoided by slight changes in the maps

[zenith berry]

It’ll be crazy if there’s a big book listing nothing but every single platform that runs DOOM.

There’s a DOOM for That.

Imagine how many pages, especially if you were to explain each platform.

[ionic sluice]

That’s called a dictionary

[ancient gate]

People keep recommending it, I'ma play it later tonight to see if it lives up to the hype

[ionic sluice]

it's a very fun 5 minutes

[ancient gate]

5 minutes?

That's short

[ionic sluice]

yeah but it's a nice little house
just know the exit teleporter is broken so you're gonna need to try to find another way out

[zenith berry]

It’s the best WAD ever made since ORIGWAD from 1994.

[remote cedar]

wdym teleporter broken
just get the keys and you can leave

it's a classic doom map

[zenith berry]

I won’t give you the detail, but don’t be fooled by the map only having one secret. There’s actually bunch of them. But you’ll have to see for yourself.

I still wonder why does it have a high monster count however for such a small map. Perhaps a huge oversight the designer forgot to remove while experimenting with monster encounters.

[ionic sluice]

I mean try it yourself you'll see what I'm talking about

[ancient gate]

I know there's something up with it when a 2 hour video about it popped up in my recommended

[zenith berry]

Best not to watch it until you have played the mod.

[ancient gate]

Yeah, with something like this i try to avoid spoilers

I just know that multiple people have deemed a 2 hour analysis as the best way to explain it

[zenith berry]

You know a map has so much detail when a 5 minute mod (yes, 5 mins of playtime overall) has an explanation video lasting to two hours.

That shows the utter dedication of the map maker.

[ancient gate]

Okay, mod file size is 66mb, that's... Something

[zenith berry]

It was designed for GZDoom and the 66mb may have resulted from the designer “going overboard with UDMF features”.

[finite crag]

Does anyone else have lag issues in myhouse

[zenith berry]

I don’t exactly know why. It is best for you to find it out.

[ashen raptor]

Yeah, like I got stuck on one level on doom 64 for an hour because I didn't see one little button

[halcyon willow]

I had in a couple areas. It's due to heavy portal usage (yaaay recursion).

[finite crag]

tf is origwad

[hexed escarp]

you mean portal?

[finite crag]

i had it like

the whole time

[halcyon willow]

gzdoom line portals. myhouse uses a lot of them

[halcyon willow]

make sure you're not in software mode. but myhouse is one of the largest maps ever released by line count

so if you've got an older machine it may struggle a bit

[finite crag]

i'm not

and my pc is from 2019 so there should be no issue

~~i think gzdoom is just shit ~~

[halcyon willow]

you'd think wrong

have you tried a fresh install?

[finite crag]

i fixed it

kinda
like loading times are bad but that's predictable

[limpid tendon]

where do i get the official doom map builder program?

also where is the best safest place to get user made mods? or wads

im a noob here, so forgive me if this question has been asked a lot

[dapper flint]

As it should be

[zenith berry]

First ever user created DOOM map released to the web.

[zenith berry]

Since when you did go postal in the mod?

[halcyon willow]

Oop typo

I meant portal

[zenith berry]

Real talk, do you think MyHouse.wad performs well with gameplay altering mods like Brutal Doom?

It works well with the lawnmower mod though, so should Brutal Doom.

Time to become the nightmare I guess.

[ionic sluice]

Oh my god
Doom I levels are so much better than doom II
I understand why you M0no put it in C now jesus doom 1 is so fun
Playing Doom II with a mod that adds doom I maps (for mod compatibility I swear I’m not addicted to doom II) with MetaDoom and holy fuck it is awesome

[zenith berry]

I’m asking that because ||by the time you reach the upgraded house, your weapons automatically become smooth, so I assume there’s DECORATE stuff behind the scenes for the weaps||

[dapper flint]

Meta is a good time for sure

[ionic sluice]

Yeah but the early doom II maps (and even the later ones) are just too crowded (they’re normally big, but there’s a lot of small hallways you’re stuck in) for meta to feel good

OH MY GOD IS THAT ||HOLY WATER PISTOL||? Holy shit lmao

MetaDoom spoiler(?)

Wait no way that was on the freaking doom 2 rpg? I just can’t

[zenith berry]

||Watch out for a Marauder. Seriously.||

[ionic sluice]

Ok now I’m curious

[zenith berry]

He usually appears later in the game, when you're fully loaded. ||I had one spawn when I entered The Factory.||

[ionic sluice]

Alright, I’ll keep an eye out

Only thing is I wish I could change difficulties without getting a brand new save
Turns out Hurt Me Plenty is a bit too little for doom I

[zenith berry]

Especially on Episode 1.

[ionic sluice]

Yeah
Hopefully it gets harder later on?

[zenith berry]

Episode 3 is where it becomes more challenging.

I assume you have not played DOOM 1 yet?

[ionic sluice]

Nope, first time
Jesus christ I was wrong I am currently getting jumped by 2 barons of hell

Luckily the grenade launcher’s alrfire is op as hell

oh my god I'm so dumb I saw a carpet and thought that was lava, restraining me to like a really small area when I fought them

Ah, fuck I was gonna screenshot the end screen (I’m pretty sure it’s edited by the mod I’m using because damn compared to doom II’s that was pretty funny) but I accidentally made it go away 😔

Wait
Oh shit I have to play a new save to go to the next chapter
Aw man I lose all my stuff

[zenith berry]

Yeah your stuff won't carry between episodes.

[ionic sluice]

It’s getting fun now
Man I love metadoom

[dapper flint]

Yeah which makes sense. Kinda nerfs the experience

[zenith berry]

I'd say the real reason is that episodes aren't in continuous flow unlike DOOM II.

[ionic sluice]

Yeah makes sense
Kinda sucks my entire codex got wiped though

Ok phew I got shotgun, machine gun, plasma gun, and lighting gun

[cloud gazelle]

What would you rather have

Every Classic Doom Game (Ultimate Doom, Doom 2, Doom 2 Master Levels, Final Doom, Doom 64, with all levels from every official release

or 1 Quake game of your choosing
(Not much a quake fan so maybe do 2 or 3 if that's what's better for you.)
(Same rules apply for quake every level that has been part of an official release)

[finite crag]

Doom lol

[ionic sluice]

I mean I’ve never played a single quake game
Also like it depends
Are we talking like physical?

[finite crag]

Quake 1 is mid.

Quake 2's worse.

I'll take every Doom game.

[zenith berry]

I don't know why but I had much fun in DOOM II rather than Quake.

[hexed escarp]

so does that mean nrftl as well?

since that released with doom 2 xbox?

wait does that mean all of the addons in the bethesda version too?

since those technically were levels from an official release

also could you have a copy of ultimate doom builder to make your own levels?

[ancient gate]

finally checking out myhouse

wish me luck

[dense plinth]

why would I take 1 game over literally all the old Doom games

[ancient gate]

oh thats unfair

||the doors are just gone||

this music is too much for me rn

i scare easily, this ambiance isnt good for me

[ionic sluice]

Just
Turn off ambience volume

[ancient gate]

I dont play doom often enough to know that setting exists

[ionic sluice]

Can’t you just settings > sound settings > music volume > 0

[ancient gate]

yes, but I've never really checked the settings

[dense plinth]

if you scare easily maybe myhouse isn't the right thing to play then...

[ancient gate]

doom is one of those things I just ocassionally play sometimes. I came back to it because of the insane hype that myhouse has been getting

[lyric aurora]

Myhouse?

Never heard of it

[dense plinth]

it's a wad

[lyric aurora]

Ah

[dense plinth]

well, a pk3 actually

[lyric aurora]

For 1 or 2

[dense plinth]

it's a well designed mental trip of a wad

[dense plinth]

2

[lyric aurora]

Nice

[ionic sluice]

Play it it’s a fun 5 minutes
Main exit sometimes just crashes the game though, but there’s a few different ways to leave

[finite crag]

myhouse.mid

[lyric aurora]

I only own eternal and 2016. Probably gonna get 2 soon

[ionic sluice]

Get 1
Unless you’re gonna mod it

[finite crag]

get final doom

[dense plinth]

get the classic collection completely

[ionic sluice]

Where can you even buy final doom

[dense plinth]

steam

it comes with Doom 2

[lyric aurora]

Probably a better idea

[dense plinth]

buying Doom 2 on steam gives you Final Doom and the Master Levels

[ionic sluice]

Oh ok
So me buying doom II wasn’t that bad after all (I bought it for the wad, not knowing doom eternal already came with one)

[dense plinth]

depends if you bought it after August last year or not

it's a recent change, they used to be sold separately

[ionic sluice]

I bought it like on friday

[dense plinth]

then yeah you got final doom and the master levels

[lyric aurora]

NoooOOoO I can't use attachments

[dense plinth]

if you wanna play them in the unity version just launch doom 2 and go into add ons

[lyric aurora]

Tried to post a meme

[dense plinth]

otherwise just use a source port

[ionic sluice]

!memes

fuck what was the command again
But like whatever basically uh memes aren’t allowed here

[lyric aurora]

!memes

/memes

Damn

That sucks

[ionic sluice]

There’s a command that explains it in bigger detail but I don’t remember it

[lyric aurora]

I was going to post an image about one of the members being associated with an "online terrorist organization"

Of this server

[dense plinth]

it's me

you got me

[ionic sluice]

Oh yeah that’s just a thing people put in their bio
What would an online terrorist organization even do 💀

[lyric aurora]

@runic ravine

[ionic sluice]

Why did you ping them what

[dense plinth]

dox you so that I can send a pizza to your house with explicit instructions for it to just be an empty pizza box

[lyric aurora]

Tried to pull them up so you can see them

[ionic sluice]

Yeah maybe don’t ping them that’s a little unnecessary

[lyric aurora]

Couldn't find them in the members list

[ionic sluice]

Hey come on I usually go with bits but like
1: bowl sounds pretty new to discord so I’m just being safe
2: unfunny bit

[analog ridge]

I wonder why Doomguy wears gloves when he uses the super shotgun but no other weapon.
EDIT: Damn, I just noticed I put glasses instead of gloves

[dense plinth]

huh

wdym he wears glasses

[zenith berry]

I loaded MyHouse with MetaDOOM and Lambda (the latter adds Half-Life weapons to Classic DOOM), and they all returned with an error relating to a chainsaw remover script.

Looks like gameplay-altering mods don't work for MyHouse.wad.

[vast reef]

what

[zenith berry]

(unless if there's a workaround I can do...)

I use ZDL, and putting MyHouse.wad at the last order seemed to work, however I won't get the mod's weapons but instead a clone of the default DOOM pistol from the mod.

Oddly, it seems to work just fine with the Lawnmower mod, based on the lawnmower run video.

That puts me to a conclusion that mods that alter gameplay via the use of DECORATE may not work.

[vast reef]

what mod btw

oh, metadoom

[vast reef]

idgames, doomworld, moddb, zdoom and zandronum forums

anything that isn't on those is probably self-hosted or on github, or maybe even archive.org if it's archaic and/or banned off most of the previous forums

[narrow condor]

Came across a clever fight: Walls lower to reveal a corner closet containing archviles surrounded by cacodemons with a couple chaingunners on a platform behind them. If you immediately run away, the archviles make their way into the room and revive monsters. If you stay in their line of sight to provoke them, the chaingunners shoot the archviles, giving you time to kite away the cacodemons so that the archviles are isolated in the closet and can be crushed with a volley of rockets.

[dapper flint]

ZDL is definitely the way to go

[vast reef]

i use doom runner for the presets

[zenith berry]

Yeah, but that's not the issue I'm facing.

It's that I cannot use mods that replaces weapons.

Does anyone know how I can properly load them with MyHouse.wad?

[sick mist]

!memes

[tiny rain]

I hope this helps you to understand why we limit memes so heavily in this community.

1. We want people to be here for DOOM and not for memes

In the past we had a population of users here which only wanted to throw some random memes into a specific channel. The health of the server suffered greatly from that and that's why we went so strict about it. Be here because you love DOOM and everything that comes with it and make sure there is some context if you post memes.

2. No oversight evolves into bigotry

Despite the fact that we have mods from multiple time zones to ensure this place is safe and enjoyable for everyone, there may be cases when we are not looking at the chat. If left unattended, the memes being posted will start to turn hateful, and it may take a few minutes for the moderation team to react.
We actively work to prevent this from happening.

3. Out of context memes kill conversations

This is by far something a lot of people have been bummed with. Since we got so many channels to pipeline discussions with like-minded people it could turn into a whole other mess if people just post random memes or other forms of content that can derail a whole conversation.

[ancient gate]

Wow, okay, myhouse was insane

[hexed escarp]

Why wasn't the godhood suite used for eviternity map32 instead of map29

The length of the midi would have actually made sense given the length of the map

[azure nimbus]

I don't think it's that type of map. It's exploration adventure not grand journey. But hey, das just vibes

[vagrant agate]

The best doom game, nothing else to say

[vast reef]

based

[dapper flint]

Absolutely

[pearl plume]

At Doom’s Gate < Running from evil

Thoughts???? 🤨🤨🤨

Like I’m terms of first level songs I feel like running from evil is as good as it gets

[neon aspen]

i really love myhouse

[zenith berry]

I cannot hear Running from Evil the same again thanks to MyHouse.wad

When it ||started sounding off just as the house upgrades, you know something is about to get real.||

||And when it turned into horror ambient? Real shit.||

[analog ridge]

Meant to say gloves for SSG

[finite crag]

Havana smooth is better than both

[pearl plume]

Myhouse was a great map

I want more weird unique shit like that. I can only play so many classic doom megawads before I want something completely different.

[finite crag]

I’ve seen a lot of traction on MYHOUSE.wad. Can someone explain what it is

[lyric aurora]

!memes

[hexed escarp]

It's a mod where it starts like a standard late 90s early 2000s house map where it's a doomcute house with monsters in it but then you see thru a window a soulsphere outside but when you go to get it it isn't there and you notice some extra windows that weren't there before and monsters inside even tho you cleared the whole house, and then you go back inside and various things start to be slightly wrong like music

And as you go deeper and deeper it just gets more creepy and off-putting

[narrow condor]

I don't understand how it got so much traction. Nobody seemed to care when I first posted about it in March and it exploded in May.

[hexed escarp]

People have an obsession with horror stuff for some reason

[narrow condor]

Modern spiritual successor to Clan [B0S]'s works ;-P

[royal heron]

I guess a lot of it was due to Power Pak's video

Which now I think has over 3M views lol

4M views

Jesus

Also holy shit I think that jumped his subscriber count from 76k to 141k

It got so mainstream due to Power Pak's video that even jacksepticeye did a video on it 4 hours ago

Holy

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/681611326522654731.gif?size=48

[neon aspen]

i love seeing people get confused when something happens in myhouse

[ornate vortex]

Been powering through TLM recently

[grizzled swan]

Upon looking online, how are people able to look up and down?

[neon aspen]

gzdoom

[grizzled swan]

Oh

K

[neon aspen]

yea

[hexed escarp]

By using a source port that has a full 3d renderer instead of doom's native software renderer

[dapper flint]

Don't do it

[neon aspen]

just use gzdoom

gzdoom better

[hexed escarp]

This includes dsda doom, prboom plus, and gzdoom

[naive plover]

its goated

better be a cacowards winner for sure

[ruby crater]

looking up and down is a scam

[ionic sluice]

uh is it just on my end or did my message get deleted for some reason
yeah it's metaDoom with a doom II mod that adds Doom 1 levels

[vast reef]

someone posted an hour-long video with the title "MyHouse.wad: Inside Doom's most terrifying mod" and people these days love stuff like that

[ionic sluice]

it was quite a lot of people posting about it
I remember vinny streaming it like right before it got popular

[ancient gate]

Anything that's remotely similar to a video essay makes people very very happy

Sometimes I just watch video essays on games I've never played or heard of

[halcyon elm]

me too

[dapper flint]

Ya pretty big youtube channel

[spice radish]

I really liked the atmosphere of the map. Knew nothing about it when I first played it.

[neon aspen]

i knew about it and got a bit freaked out

[zenith berry]

If you want more mindscrew DOOM mods like MyHouse.wad, I recommend The Thing You Can't Defeat, sadly it's underrated.

There's also lilith.pk3, which actually won a Cacoward.

The Thing You Can't Defeat is basically the DOOM version of Everywhere at the End of Time, masquerading itself as standard Knee-Deep in the Dead.

Like MyHouse, it gets terrifying the more you progress. I'll stop here.

While Lilith presents itself as a WAD originally from a floppy disk that has been damaged by a magnet.

[ancient gate]

Would you recommend it?

[ancient gate]

Also this?

[zenith berry]

I recommend TTYCD but as for Lilith, due to the nature of the level being "glitchy", it can be easy to get lost. Still recommend it if you want a totally different experience.

[deft shuttle]

My house

[full quest]

I'm just now trying Doom. Already wandering around lost. 😢

[silent remnant]

use the map

[finite crag]

Press tab

[opal falcon]

Or the "Select" button.

[finite crag]

which map

[full quest]

Computer Station

e1m7?

[finite crag]

yeah, it's definitely the maziest map in ep1, but if you use the automap it should be fine

[full quest]

Okay, ty everyone

[finite crag]

what port are you playing on?

[full quest]

GZDoom

[finite crag]

of course it's gzdoom

and do you use mouselook and crosshair or not?

[full quest]

I have mouselook, no crosshair. I didn't know there was a crosshair.

[finite crag]

oh okay

[silent remnant]

there isn't, originally.

[finite crag]

maybe i'm a vanilla purist after all

[zenith berry]

Looks like Myhouse.wad has got more people into DOOM as people said. Regardless of that, it’s always lovely to see new people jumping into a legendary franchise.

[finite crag]

classic doom is timeless, there always will be people who create wads/mods for it

[zenith berry]

Indeed.

[atomic dust]

the og games still hold up today, I enjoy them (not as much as a lot of other people though)

the level design is good, combat is fun, the pixelated graphics look nice

and man the music

the music in Classic Doom is just legendary

[split jewel]

You forgot to mention you need ZDoom

Not GZDoom. ZDOOM!

[zenith berry]

Yes you need ZDoom for Lilith as the mod’s premise was to actually expose the bugs present in ZDoom.

[vast reef]

saltiest member 🤭

[cloud gazelle]

What is everyone's thoughts about the recent Bethesda re-releases/ports of the classic games. Is there any noticeable differences from that compared to more popular ports?
I think they're great as a way just to buy own and enjoy the base classics

[zenith berry]

Aside from mandatory sprite edits, nothing is much different.

[floral basin]

Even if people were to stop making content for it, there is already a practically unending amount of content for classic doom created already (or at least it feels like that to me).

[vast reef]

unity port has auto-sr50 fsr

that disqualifies it from speedruns

[azure nimbus]

There are some fairly significant changes: sprite edits, no kill count hud like most modern ports (the one in the automap doesn't correctly count archvile ressurections as subtracting a kill), auto sr50 thusfundamentally changing how movement input works, and no button mapping on console despite it being there on controller, removal of the idclip/idspispopd cheat, no demo files can be created or read through bethesda's version, and it doesn't support boom.

So all in all, it's mostly a really good port in terms of accessibility but you are probably better off spending the 5 min to download dsda doom and play there since it has more features, more compatibility with modern wads, and is still more faithful to the original doom on dos

[vast reef]

dsda and gz are all you really need, then eternity engine if you want to play heartland or mordeth when it eventually releases

[zenith berry]

Even Jacksepticeye has covered MyHouse.wad. Classic DOOM is back on the public eye. (I don't mean to say it is a forgotten thing or anything)

[cloud gazelle]

How long until MyHouse falls out of the mainstream?

[vast reef]

3 weeks

do y'all wanna bet

[cloud gazelle]

Nope

[split jewel]

Le chicken

[split jewel]

Yeah 3-4

[finite crag]

i hope

[dense plinth]

I don't hear people talk about myhouse's difficult that much

Is it just cause everyone's a better

gamer

But seriously it's difficult

And I don't mean in terms of secret hunting I mean in regards to enemy count

[split jewel]

Just play on Nightmare mode

Seriously from what I've heard Nightmare is easier

[cloud gazelle]

How? Please do tell

[split jewel]

Less monsters

[lyric umbra]

myhouse.wad lawnmower speedruns exist

[split jewel]

Yep

[zenith berry]

Similar case to the Not Even Remotely Fair mod where you can "only" play it on Nightmare.

[finite crag]

on itytd and hntr difficulty, there are 3 cyberdemons in the first map killing you instantly, on hmp and uv, there is nothing, but you can't beat some of the levels because they have some nightmare-unique mechanics

[remote shuttle]

hey
what is 7869?

heard it was a cool map

[zenith berry]

Mod actually has real gruesome stuff anyways

[finite crag]

Guys, it's cheating if i play with higher FOV than 100 and publish videos with that FOV?

I play with 125 FOV, i need to play with 100 FOV if i want to upload videos playing doom?

[halcyon elm]

125???

Waos

[azure nimbus]

No. It is totally acceptable even for DSDA speedruns, to play on any FOV you like. Changeable in the cfg file

[ruby crater]

It is acceptable, but is it cool? 😎

Gotta play on 10 FOV like a narrow-sighted hardcore badass

One imp covers the whole screen!

[finite crag]

i played every game with high fov, so i'm used to play with a fov looking like it's in a real person's eyes

[halcyon elm]

my max is 110

[finite crag]

Thanks < 3

[ruby crater]

I play on 90? I think

[halcyon elm]

if i had a bigger screen then i would probably go for 125 too honestly

[ruby crater]

Or maybe it’s 100, but I use a 2k monitor

[finite crag]

my screen is 1920x1080

[halcyon elm]

i'm talking screen size

[finite crag]

i'm not a tech guy, are you talkin about 144hz or tf

[finite crag]

it's even lower than the default fov

[halcyon elm]

screen size dude, how big your screen is

physical size

[finite crag]

sure

[halcyon elm]

back when my screen was smaller i used 80 fov

now that it's 27 inches i use 110 fov

i think you can get why

like if you have a high fov on a tiny screen you'll barely be able to see

[finite crag]

oh that inch thing

inch can suck me off i'll go with CM

[halcyon elm]

tvs are measured in inches worldwide mostly

monitors too

unless you want to use square centimeters

[finite crag]

stfu vega

khm

so

[halcyon elm]

?

[finite crag]

vega bot said too many emojis

[finite crag]

pov america: 🦶

[halcyon elm]

i'm not a green go

[finite crag]

i'm not a native american so i don't measure in 🦶 and 🤏

whatever

@halcyon elm on my laptop i play with even higher fov than 130

[outer folio]

Nine inch nails

[finite crag]

Cannibal corpse

cannibal corpse W

[outer folio]

Haven't heard them since a skeletal domain

[finite crag]

I just met their Violence Unimagined album not too long ago, shit's fuckin brutal rockin

[outer folio]

Guess I'll have to give it a try eventually, really curious as to what they sound like now

[finite crag]

they are brutal

[outer folio]

Im more familiar with their older stuff ie hammer smashed face etc

[finite crag]

there are even videos to some of their songs, they are full of gore

[outer folio]

No surprise there😂

[finite crag]

eye and intestine pulling n' stuff

[outer folio]

Do you like marilyn Manson?

[finite crag]

played this game at my cousin's place

its fun

just that the map design seems a bit weird sometimes but oh well

[ruby crater]

What? Original Doom like Doom 1’s map design?

[outer folio]

I feel like they tried to get way too creative with some of the map designs in doom 2

[ornate vortex]

I'm nearly 25% of the way through The Lost Magic

Finished the first episode (maps 1-6)

I now have to somehow get them all uploaded to youtube by the end of tomorrow

this is gonna be fun

[azure nimbus]

I played it like...a year ago and have been uploading them really slowly cuz I'm a bad ytuber

[dapper flint]

Completes hardest wad ever made backwards.. get 5 views

[azure nimbus]

lost magic is at least easy

[lyric umbra]

where can i get a classic chex quest wad

[finite crag]

Search for Chex Quest 3, and get the one from moddb. It's always been a free game. Chex Quest 3 already includes the content from Chex Quest 1 & 2.

[lyric umbra]

yes thank you so much i have been searching forever

[finite crag]

No problem, always glad to help when I'm able.

[dense plinth]

damn, myhouse really is easier on Nightmare difficulty

I haven't seen a change in enemy count yet, but so far none it appears Nightmare's resurrection mechanic has been disabled

and it gives me twice the ammo on ammo pickups cause it's nightmare which is the main thing

I don't feel like I'm running on empty now

oh that's why

it's removed majority of the placed ammo pickups to compensate from getting more from enemies

nevermind then

oh, maybe not the majority

but certainly some of the early level ones

and huh there are less enemies

[dense plinth]

oh that is evil

there's a sound that is scripted to play every 10 minutes in myhouse

I thought I was going insane

[atomic dust]

what do you guys think of Tricks and Traps aka the first gimmick level in Doom II?

[split jewel]

The fake ping

[atomic dust]

personally, I liked it. I like how each room has their own challenges

[zenith berry]

Is it just me or Myhouse.wad has a Discord ping sound to lure players?

Like, during the multiple times I play that mod I would sometimes hear the Discord notification sound. The problem? My Discord has always been on DND.

[zenith berry]

Oh yeah it is.

[frosty cipher]

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/136043-brand-new-hq-remakes-of-the-original-doom-1-2-soundtracks/

[zenith berry]

What happens if you die when you're already far into MyHouse.wad, assuming you did not save? I don't recall seeing any autosave message, which is prominent in large scale campaign maps...so basically, do you start over?

[dense plinth]

pretty cool

I still prefer IDKFA for Ultimate Doom tho

[vast reef]

90 is default

[icy halo]

What's up

[zenith berry]

||There's just something good, like a moment of relief, encountering standard DOOM demons Barons, Cacodemons, and Pinkies, to name a few, in the gas station after what it seemed to be moments of surrealism. It's like seeing the Covenant again after fighting nothing but hordes of Flood for the first time in Halo: Combat Evolved.||

[wild arrow]

The cover art for doom on the PS1 goes hard

[tame laurel]

hey guys

does anyone here play z daemon ?

[atomic dust]

are there any mods that include the Nightmare Spectres from psx Doom?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/465236787850248202/1111339055616114719/PSX_Doom_Nightmare_Spectre.png

[dapper flint]

Psx doom ce

[zenith berry]

MetaDOOM.

It uses the Doom 64 variant of the Demon.

[ancient gate]

It's neat, even if some parts of it are a bit cruel

[ancient gate]

Uh, can't explain without giving spoilers

I'll just hide the response, click on it if you want a cool part ruined for you

||when you die for the first time, you wake up in a hospital where you can find a room with a patient flat-lining. If you interact with the aed near this patient, it'll bring you back to life in the same spot you died in with berserk active||

[finite crag]

like which parts

[azure nimbus]

the pain ele's

[finite crag]

yeah that stupid room

bit annoying

[hexed escarp]

why is plutonia map20 complete bullshit

[finite crag]

Wonder why they’re even a thing tbh

[dapper flint]

Because your mom's a gert

[finite crag]

Yeah

[humble robin]

playing doom 2 rn, doing the deathmatch achievements and omd 100 kills its taking ages

[hexed escarp]

did the guy who made myhouse's friend actually pass away or is that just part of the lore?

[dapper flint]

Pretty sure that happened

[hexed escarp]

ok

[steady folio]

hey whats the hardest level in doom 2

because it took me an hour to get past the first couple stages

[dapper flint]

Map 29

[steady folio]

man im on map 4

I got time

[dapper flint]

I'm guessing you're on console?

[steady folio]

nah man pc I never played the game before

[dapper flint]

Type in idclev 29 when in game and you'll warp to 29

Check it out

[steady folio]

oh neat

I heard about a really annoying stage tho what ones that

[dapper flint]

29 statistically is the hardest map for people but I wouldn't say annoying

[steady folio]

nah I keep hearing about this really slow map with a huge pit in it

it seems cool

[dapper flint]

Try it on nightmare

[steady folio]

man I couldnt even get past level 3 on the second easiest difficulty

[royal heron]

Chasm?

[ionic sluice]

Does MetaDoom remember your different runs? Like I'm currently playing through each of Doom 1's chapters but I'm worried I'm always like starting in ground 0 in terms of content (eg the game has a higher chance to give you less vanilla weapons the more wads you go through, but I don't know if that applies to different runs)

[ionic sluice]

Also uh anyways does anyone know any good wads to play with MetaDoom? I’m about to finish doom II and doom II’s level design kinda sucks

[tame laurel]

yes

so little ammo

soo little @woven terrace

mk

do you wanna do doom co- op

@woven terrace

zdaemon

@woven terrace

so its an aplicatin, that has doom servers , that people make and can play on

ive been using it for years

zdaemon.org

pc

you can play doom on mobile ?

@woven terrace

@woven terrace do you do it through cloud gaming ?

its where you stream the game to your phone

how do you do it

[ancient gate]

Yikes, thats a lot of pinging and spam

[tame laurel]

he deleted his messages

[zenith berry]

HONTE/Hell on the Earth Remastered. DOOM II’s campaign remade elaborately, utilizing GZDoom’s mapping capabilities.

[atomic dust]

then Nightmare Imps were meant to appear in this game too

but then they got cut and appeared in Doom 64 instead

and that one doesn't has Nightmare Spectres

[finite crag]

map29, maybe map15 and 24

[cloud gazelle]

How would you rank each Quake (singelplayer) game from worst to best.
I want to know which I should play, and am curious about community opinion.

[narrow condor]

Quake > Quake 2 > Quake 4

Quake 3 is multiplayer-only (although it has something like a singleplayer campaign where you play against bots).

[zenith berry]

Ever since I played MyHouse.wad, liminal spaces start to seep through my dreams a bit.

[cloud gazelle]

What are my odds of beating Quake 1 on Nightmare on a blind playthrough

[ornate vortex]

for me it was the catacombs and the pit being the hardest levels in doom 2

[finite crag]

oh yeah and the pit

catacombs was only hard on fast monsters or nightmare

on uv is not that bad

[ancient gate]

Ever since backrooms became popular I've been afraid of liminal spaces

[willow cloak]

i’ve never found liminal spaces to be that scary tbh

[zenith berry]

Not for me. I had a Backrooms phase, reading the wiki, and during that I became sorta afraid of being alone.

[worn gyro]

Real

[zenith berry]

That feeling was then gone, eventually, but now it seems to have returned.

[willow cloak]

My House made me realize how much i actually think they’re dope

[radiant yoke]

https://youtu.be/t27-kCSczQM

why was the backrooms revived!!!

[willow cloak]

i like that the map incorporates them without making them the main focus. Just eerie spaces

[willow cloak]

backrooms themselves are boring. The more interesting liminal spaces are where it’s at

[zenith berry]

^^

[radiant yoke]

im fucking scared of liminal spaces

at any moment i could get jumped
or i could not

[blissful timber]

They aren’t supposed to be “scary.” It’s just a Gen-Z buzzword for mildly nostalgic/creepy photos of the death of brick&mortar retail. It’s a load of whiny crap. The true horror is the death of consumerism in the US.

And the housing market collapse, too. They’re yearning for a time they didn’t exist in because it was objectively better.

[royal heron]

I don't think the backrooms are meant to be scary, but your mind can just warp your sense of reasoning and make it scary

I'm not exactly claustrophobic, but the overall layout, combined with just the eerie silence makes me uncomfortable

combined with that instinct(?) of the feeling that you're not alone whenever you're by yourself

[atomic dust]

Quake 1 > Quake 4 > Quake 2

Quake 2's campaign is good enough but I don't like it as much compared to the others

Quake 4 becomes a lot of fun after getting stroggified

[ruby crater]

Some maps are hard to pistol start, but if you are playing continuously, doom 2 becomes a lot more doable as a first timer after level 08. But difficulty is different for each player

[dapper flint]

Definitely agree. Love 4 though

[finite crag]

if you play from a pistol start map23 is a sadistic pile of shit

[willow cloak]

“the true horror is the death of consumerism” 🦦

truly spoken like somebody who played doom when it came out

[zenith berry]

Pro tip: Open MyHouse.pk3 with Slade, navigate to the MAPINFO file, and then delete the chainsaw actor at the top.

Now enjoy the mod with Brutal Doom and co.

[finite crag]

Or just don't play brutal doom

[zenith berry]

There’s still plenty of other gameplay mods.

Russian Overkill, Too Many Super Shotguns, to name a few.

[willow cloak]

my house is the only doom mod i’ve tried

it’s actually the reason i installed GZDoom, it’s my first classic experience. Now i play doom 2 almost every day

i haven’t beaten the game yet tho. I restart my playthrough every time i get on. One of these days when i’m off work i’ll have to try playing the whole game

[green hedge]

man try brutal doom

its really awesome

[willow cloak]

what changes does it make

[finite crag]

Nothing major

[willow cloak]

if it’s not major changes what’s the point of installing it

[hexed escarp]

it makes everything gorier, it adds new weapons, it makes the enemy AI more complex and aggressive, it adds new weapons, it adds alt fire to some, it makes it so you have to reload weapons

basically it makes it much more similar to a modern fps

[willow cloak]

oh gotcha

[hexed escarp]

so, if you wish doom played more like call of duty then go for it

but personally i think that it takes it away from the classic feel and gameplay too much