classic-doom

[tacit remnant]

Tenements is okay if kinda boring

[finite crag]

Wait till you get to map20. That one is my favourite

Mill (map18) is boring as fuck, and large, and too complicated, and it was a huge roadblock for me

no

Civvie is a kind of an ass, he's saying that TNT is very bad and everything, but most of its levels are mid or good. The only really boring levels are MAP18, and MAP25, and maybe MAP21. The shitty levels are MAP22 and 25.

[azure nimbus]

Civvie actually divined the truth that TNT is kinda boring from the heavens.

[finite crag]

But it's not as bad as he says

Plus, TNT did the realistic levels and the atmosphere much better than Plutonia.

I think he's just hamming it up that way as spite to the people where constantly bugging him about making a video on. If you watch the Doom 3 video where he first talked about TNT it's his better opinion on it.

[tepid tulip]

I think Civvie does over exaggerate it being bad but it's really just a standard mapset

Honestly I like it but I won't lie and say there are a few maps I can do without

Yeah TNT I think I like it's atmosphere more

Plutonia has a lot more sadism and action packedness in it and it's not a bad thing for each to be distinct from one another

[finite crag]

especially the middle maps

[tepid tulip]

Honestly Pharoah and Caribbean are very great secret maps

And that's why TNT is enjoyable for me

[finite crag]

I like caribbean more

[tepid tulip]

I'm more of a sucker for pharaoh

[tepid tulip]

I went through it and it was a map

I dunno why but the name makes it sound more infamous than it really is

[finite crag]

Egypt theme is not my favourite, and Caribbean is much more challenging

[tepid tulip]

That's fair both are great maps so I never really pit them against each other

[finite crag]

Yeah

Pharaoh isn't bad either

[tepid tulip]

The midi pack for TNT does enhance Caribbeans experience imo

[finite crag]

I don't use the midi pack for TNT nothing is wrong with the original TNT songs

[tepid tulip]

Oh I know I love the original soundtrack just as much

I would also use the midi pack for Plutonia except Map11

You must understand, you cannot change Map11 soundtrack for the culture

[finite crag]

Tnt has some rocking songs. Like: SLABC, ITBS, and aimshootkill

[tepid tulip]

True

Into the Beast Belly, More and Lets Kill at Will are my favorites

[hexed escarp]

Idk I really like the atmosphere from Plutonia, especially in the first third

[finite crag]

oh yeah More

[tepid tulip]

I remember listening to that in Hanger and I felt pretty badass kicking ass

[royal heron]

How have the bfg runs been going?

In all honesty I haven't done many because I'm kinda lazy but at the same time I don't have a ton of time to spare

[tepid tulip]

I think currently I am playing Doom 2 but with the Nobody Told Me about Id mod

So it's still fairly vanilla but it's more like a Build engine game

Duke Nukem is like one of my favorite shooters

[royal heron]

Also tnt to me just feels kinda

Meh

Most of the combat encounters are lackluster

[finite crag]

I tried so many mods with base doom 2, and i'm sick of maps 1-6

[tepid tulip]

Yeah, like Civvie isn't wrong about the game not challenging you bc they tend to have more low level monsters but then again it still feels good to mow them down

[tepid tulip]

I never really get tired of the first 9 map stretch

Yeah over time I grew to enjoy the Pit

It's always like Downtown I tend to take a break and forget about my run

[royal heron]

What are yall least favorite maps from doom 2?

[tepid tulip]

Downtown

[hexed escarp]

Oh hey, I haven't really touched that for a while

[royal heron]

Yeah me neither

[tepid tulip]

Currently but I heard Nirvana is awful from words of mouth

[hexed escarp]

I was trying to grind map11 but it is insanely rng heavy so I stopped

[finite crag]

Downtown, Barrels O'Fun, The Chasm

[royal heron]

In that case I kinda want to try it

[tepid tulip]

Oh I heard of Barrels o' Fuck is awful

[royal heron]

Barrels of fun is not fun

[tepid tulip]

I'm not calling it Barrels o' Fun bc there isn't anything fun about it

[royal heron]

Chasm is alright because I just speed through it

[finite crag]

MAP24: Grade Z

[finite crag]

fucking tightrope walking

[tepid tulip]

Is maps after tenements solid

Until you reach Nirvana

[royal heron]

Oh

You get used to the tightropes

[finite crag]

I don't think so

[tepid tulip]

Bc well Nirvana is Nirvana

Yeah I forgot, it's still the city levels

Tenements felt average but I really did not like the part before you exit

[finite crag]

The Citadel is bad but courtyard is good, gotcha is meh

[hexed escarp]

There are a couple of different strategies that I've tried

[tepid tulip]

Too convoluted and stupid to me

[hexed escarp]

One is to run into the staircase room and try to kill one shotgunner and hope the imps don't shoot you

But that one sucks

[tepid tulip]

Yeah lemme enter a hallway, leave a hallway, then enter a hallway, to another hallway then another hallway opens until to leave out there

I probably forgotten another hallway too

[hexed escarp]

Another is to just run past everything and run to try to get the key in the Archie room and that's the one that's gotten me the furthest but I usually die in the Archie room unless insane rng

[finite crag]

oh map11

mid

[hexed escarp]

Another is to kill the first shotgunner in the hallway and then once you have his shotgun run past everything

That one has promise but I haven't tried it much

[tepid tulip]

Honestly my favorite stretch of Maps are Map07-09

[royal heron]

I might take some of your strats

[tepid tulip]

With Tricks and Traps being my favorite

[royal heron]

Maybe see if I can make some of my own

[hexed escarp]

I sent a demo in the alb server whrre I got past the Archie room a little while ago

[royal heron]

Oh I'll watch that

[hexed escarp]

You basically have to pray that the zombies in the hall kill everything in the key room without killing you

Otherwise you are dead

[royal heron]

Yikes

[tepid tulip]

I used to dislike the Pit, but then after playing it

It felt like it has some momentum to this map so that's why I've been appreciating it

[hexed escarp]

It's happened maybe 3 times out of almost 1k attempts

[royal heron]

Ohhh yikes

[tepid tulip]

It's not perfect but I do have a lot more enjoyment speeding through it as much as I can

[royal heron]

Isn't that more than map02?

Or did that take more attempts

[hexed escarp]

Yep

No that was like 400

[royal heron]

Geez...

[hexed escarp]

Also all 3 of those times I died trying to get back out into the circle

[royal heron]

Sounds like hell

[hexed escarp]

Getting a shotgun at the beginning might actually be the best strat

Cuz then you can kill the imps in the Archie room before he shoots you

[royal heron]

Is getting a chaingun also good?

[hexed escarp]

But those attempts take longer

Probably

[tepid tulip]

Yeah I like Civvies content bc he is funny

But also entertaining

[finite crag]

Mine are i think MAP27-29

With 27 being my favourite

[tepid tulip]

I heard that stretch is solid until the Icon of Sin

Like Map29

Is a beast

[hexed escarp]

I might try to do a tas of it at some point using the rush strategy

[royal heron]

This reminds me

I need to redo e1m3 nm100s

4:33 is a pretty slow time

[finite crag]

I can imagine that romero or who made map30 under 2 minutes before running to the toilet

[royal heron]

I could've shortened it by like

30 seconds

[tepid tulip]

Yeah Courtyard was pretty fun

I enjoyed it

It has a bit of goofy stuff in it but I still like it

[finite crag]

It contains 20% of the health and armor bonuses in doom 2

[finite crag]

and it's an infighting map, so it's a massive improvement over Doom 1's E2M9

Guys, do you know about cool midi songs for medium/big, very hard maps?

[tepid tulip]

Hell Revealed 2, Memento Mori 1+2 and Eviternity are ones that have some very great midis that come to mind

Might have some I'm forgetting too

Tbh doing 19 maps in a row gotten me tired

I've been playing like for, many hours

Thought Nirvana was Map23

Well I'm at Nirvana so I think it's my cue to stop here for today

[narrow condor]

The go-to track for big and difficult maps is You Suck by Lee Jackson from Rise of the Triad.

Infamously used in Alien Vendetta, Hell Revealed and Scythe.

[finite crag]

Thanks, i'll use it for my wad's MAP18 and 28

[narrow condor]

👍

[finite crag]

29*

[narrow condor]

It's actually a pretty nice tune but I came to associate it with tiring maps so I can't enjoy it any more: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV65nhz_H1M

[finite crag]

I listened to it before

[narrow condor]

Oh wow, the remake version 'You Really Suck' in Alien Vendetta MIDI Pack was composed by him too.

I didn't realise he participates in community projects.

[tepid tulip]

I remember he did a track in the Ultimidi pack for E4M3

[azure nimbus]

I like AV but map25 was just long. I found myself slowly chipping away at every fight. While, several years out, I'm sure I could be a bit bravery now, it's hard to not play it safe since the map is so open

[finite crag]

i never played alien vendetta

i looked in only map10 and 25

[narrow condor]

I enjoyed AV quite a lot but it's true that some maps could've benefited from paring down.

Maybe that was Scythe's motivation all along.

[finite crag]

my MAP18 will be similar to AV's MAP25

it will be a church themed map, it will be the map where my wad will get extreme, but it won't be that big

[frosty cipher]

Hi guys, some weeks ago I posted about the excellent new music mod for DOOM (1993). Now the music mod for DOOM II: Hell on Earth has been released by the YouTube channel Pieces of 8-bit. The HQ remakes of the original soundtrack are available as .ogg files and in the .wad format.

https://www.nexusmods.com/doom2/mods/30

Here is the playlist on YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLe4GPzW9S9fPQfeAX3rrr5VdEoO-IGKWh

[dapper flint]

Nice

[hexed escarp]

Lmk if you come up with anything

[royal heron]

Alright will do

[boreal urchin]

i hope someday we get remakes for these games

[cyan oyster]

I’m about to finish my complete collection of Classic Doom but I’m literally only missing one version of Doom.

Doom Plus
https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Doom_Plus_(Acorn_RiscOS)

I’ve tried my best and I just can’t find a copy of it… anywhere. So I was wondering if somewhere maybe has a copy of this obscure version? Or is this considered to be lost to time?

If anyone has this and would be willing to share, your a LIFE SAVER!

[azure nimbus]

doom has been ported to every piece of technology since steampower. How much more does it need to be remade?

[silent remnant]

I don't. You can't improve perfection.

[cyan oyster]

Yeah, I would prefer that they DON’T remake the games. It’s perfect as is and a remake would most likely just tarnish the Doom name.

[narrow condor]

Doom clearly needs unskippable cutscenes, quicktime events, a broad skill tree, and a set of DLCs + season pass.

[hexed escarp]

I do think a remake of the original game with identical gameplay but modern day visuals would be really cool but I understand that it is not acceptable to have this viewpoint in this community

For some reason

[narrow condor]

I don't think it's considered unacceptable, judging by the sheer amount of HD texture mods out there.

[hexed escarp]

I don't even like those mods lol, for me it would be cool if the levels were built from the ground up with more detail

The closest that we have is doom 3 classic

[dapper flint]

Toooo fast

[hexed escarp]

But smthn further modernized would be cool

[hexed escarp]

What's too fast?

[cyan oyster]

I did just find this…

%https://prboom-plus.sourceforge.io/%

The second listing says it’s for Doom+, but it says it’s a hack and I don’t think it’s the official port.

Remove the percentages at both ends of the link. It was trying to block me from sending it for some reason.

[hexed escarp]

If I was good enough at modeling to make enemy models that don't look like utter garbage I would maybe try to do this in unreal engine

But I'm not

[cyan oyster]

Just found another version of Doom that I don’t have.

Doom95
https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Doom95#:~:text=Doom95 is an official port,Microsoft headed by Alex St.

[narrow condor]

It's still commercially sold, so you can just purchase it.

I probably can't link it here, but you can google 'r-comp doom+'

It seems it costs £25 and comes with all Final Doom wads.

[frosty cipher]

You can get Doom (1993) and Doom II: Hell on Earth on e.g. Steam or GOG which includes the original DOS version and modernized rerelease (high resolution, widescreen, updated UI). For the moderinzed version simply exchange the .ogg files of the soundtrack to use the music mod.

[silent remnant]

I wish you could change the HUD style in the Unity ports

[remote cedar]

The modernized version features OGG tracks?

[frosty cipher]

yes, you can find them in \steamapps\common\Doom 2\rerelease\DOOM II_Data\StreamingAssets\Soundtrack

[remote cedar]

Oh hell yeah I'm gonna get a hold of that once I actually buy the games

[ornate vortex]

I also could use Fractured Worlds Map 3's midi for it, since I think it's quite atmospheric and a bit sinister

[finite crag]

rott
yay

[azure nimbus]

I think there is something to be said about letting a midi live in one important map. I liked FW07's music and felt it strange when it was used in Abandon map05. Aba05 is a cool map and it's exceptionally pretty. But it isn't the same vibe

[tawdry quest]

Hey guys, remember me. 😄

The kid who tried to speed run the unity port of Doom 2 on his Switch?

[dapper flint]

Nope

[azure nimbus]

your last post was a year ago. Based on those, it looks like you were just trying to beat the levels uvmax. idk if you mentioned much in terms of trying to go fast

[tawdry quest]

Right.

I never finished sadly

Got busy with a new school and such

I also made a legit YouTube channel today.

[dapper flint]

Noice!

[hexed escarp]

Coins saveless itytd run of okuplok makes me think that saveless uv is maybe possible

Someone just needs to be willing to grind it

[narrow condor]

It seems the bottleneck is the crossfire arena, which needs more luck than skill to beat.

So you'd need to be willing to lose five hours on a mostly tedious and unfun map (+ the stress leading up there) for each unlucky run.

[hexed escarp]

Yeah seems like a bummer

Could it be possible to figure out a strategy that reduces the luck dependency?

[narrow condor]

Okuplok has always felt to me like it's on the border between the kind of nonsensical and untested wads people make out of boredom made up of a dozen variations on nuts.wad, and an actual slaughter map on a large scale, purely because it can be beaten with a proper strategy.

[narrow condor]

I'm sure it's possible theoretically but seems like Coincident hasn't come up with one effective enough for that.

[hexed escarp]

I hope to see it done someday

Would be cool

On an unrelated note are y’all hyped for sigil 2?

[narrow condor]

I watched his entire playthrough out of boredom and it appears that most (but not all, at least) of the fights weren't created with a solution in mind. They're designed like 'here's your ammo, here are the monsters, here is a corner you can hide, go nuts', so the only reasonable solution is just playing it safe and repeating the same action over and over for 30 minutes until the monsters are gone.

Honestly, it's more of an endurance test than anything.

[dapper flint]

I defintley would but I'd probably have to take breaks. I get real bad eye pains these days after gaming more than 5 hours

[tepid tulip]

Well I'm back at playing some Doom 2 and man Nirvana is one of the laziest doom maps I've played

It's boring.

It felt like stuff was slapped on together without thought, and of course I skipped the blue gate and only opened the red one bc I did it for the memes

I feel dirty for having Nirvana finished at 100% percent everything lmao

💀

[narrow condor]

In terms of skill required, it's not that hard. It just gets tiring with bigger maps.

[tepid tulip]

Man Nirvana to Barrels o' Fun are just nightmare fuel levels to me

Catacombs is mean

[ornate vortex]

I’d say the hardest “easy” wad is plutonia

Once I completed plutonia, that’s when i realised pwads existed

[cosmic pagoda]

its harder than doom2, hovever its boring and tedious as fuck

climbing crate mazes, boring enemy placement, just hitscanners

and the maps are huge so they take forever to complete

but not huge in content, but rather dimension

plutonia is bae tho

theses so much of this simplistic genius or whatever, battles are very minimalist but very cleverly designed

that abatoirre final room is a masterpiece, takes me like 3-5 tries every time when I play through plutonia

especially looking at the not so good maps of the wads, plutonias not so great maps are like, idk bunker,and such, which is still a pretty nice map- TNTsbad end has things like Habitat

womhole is good yeah

[remote cedar]

Guys I'm missing something in Doom2 MAP10 I think

I'm missing 4 monsters and I have no clue where they are

I'm noclipping to try and check where I could've missed thel but I can't see anything

nevermind. found them

[hexed escarp]

Have you tried blue light glasses?

[vale mural]

what is classic doom like

[narrow condor]

It's like Wolfenstein 3D but much more advanced.

[vale mural]

idk what that is

[narrow condor]

An older video game by the same game studio.

[vale mural]

ok

[ornate vortex]

I would as well, but I am not actually that experienced at the game

I couldn't beat sunlust single segment at the level i'm on

and Rush single segment speedrunning was actually really tough for me

Okuplok is a series of like 30 fights, which are all pretty damn hard

speaking of stupidly hard speedruns, i've been thinking that in a couple months I should try and lower my comatose record

[narrow condor]

I could probably make it to the third fight without saves with a lot of attempts but I'd give up at that point.

[ornate vortex]

The crossfire fight is so late into the run and it's pretty much complete rng

I'm not willing to waste 3 hours of my life just to lose on the crossfire fight

[finite crag]

yh

[ornate vortex]

Was hoping to finish crumpets map 4 today and upload it but i ran out of time. I got a 2:55 but I want to improve it by a lot

guess it’s gonna have to wait till next week

[hexed escarp]

Is the cyber demon fight supposed to be at the top of a tower?

[dapper flint]

I actually just got new glasses made with those filters built in. So far so good

[dapper flint]

We all start somewhere. I know early on when I started pushing myself I struggled even beating nightmare for both games

Like really really struggled. Over came that and now I can do pretty hard wads and fights calmly. The thing is practice. I'm still able to practice a fight all day if I have to without getting mad

[forest zodiac]

Yeah

[outer sage]

Dude, even 30 years have passed and classic doom is still good. As of now I played every doom game except for VFR, and the RPG's

[split jewel]

The RPGs are good imo

[hexed escarp]

Is the whole thing supposed to be on a tower or is the thing in the middle a tower

[forest zodiac]

You’re at the very top

The tower is seen being built throughout the episode via the intermission screen

[hexed escarp]

Ah

[young escarp]

on nightmare and pacifist mode sure, aside from nat, not so much

[pearl steppe]

TNT is one of my favorite WADs

[finite crag]

It's mid just because of Mill

[pearl steppe]

The music in TNT is amazing

[finite crag]

yeah

[remote cedar]

TNT has original music? I thought it didn't

or maybe Plutonia is the one that has no original music. I forgot

[pearl steppe]

TNT is original. Plutonia isn't

[remote cedar]

Oh yeah nvm I mixed that up

[finite crag]

Most of TNT's maps have custom tracks, plutonia doesn't have them without the midi pack.

[pearl steppe]

Well said

[cosmic pagoda]

good

[cosmic pagoda]

a lot of the time its nicer with music muted anyway, dont get me wrong doom has some excellent music, butstill gets repetitive and distracting

[finite crag]

i don't think so

i love rock songs in general so that's the reason i think i like TNT's soundtrack

[cosmic pagoda]

altho ep1-3 I still play with music on especially ep2, bobbys spooky tracks are amazing

[remote cedar]

The action in classic Doom is less flashy than in modern Doom, and the maps are way less complex, but because the gameplay of classic Doom is simpler than the gameplay of modern Doom it's a very enjoyable experience

[cosmic pagoda]

yeah but if you listen to any music, your next dopamine hit listening to the same thing will be weaker

[remote cedar]

It's still fast-paced and barely gives you a breather

[finite crag]

map02, 15 music is kinda loud, but the other songs are good

[cosmic pagoda]

wait which one

[remote cedar]

My favorite track in Doom 2 is MAP10's, The Demon's Dead

[finite crag]

doom 2's tracks never really gotten me

[cosmic pagoda]

shawns got the shotgun is the gem of doom2 really

[finite crag]

maybe running from evil and shawn's got the shotgun which i like from doom 2

doom 1 had much better music

[cosmic pagoda]

into sandys city also good

[finite crag]

doom 1 is better in general

[cosmic pagoda]

agreed

[finite crag]

yeah

[remote cedar]

Good one, and I'd also like to highlight In The Dark which features more ambience than other tracks but still works like a charm

[finite crag]

and had better music

[cosmic pagoda]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7MGbUYslrU

[remote cedar]

Honestly I don't get the appeal behind it

[cosmic pagoda]

sinister best doom1 track

supposedly romeros fave too

[remote cedar]

Like yeah it sounds fine but I don't like how it doesn't really fit Doom or Doom 2

when I hear it I see something like a spooky castle

which is definitely not what the map looks like

[cosmic pagoda]

wdym its metal as fuck the tune

[tacit remnant]

Classic Doom definitely has suspenseful levels. They do tend to not be paired with the suspenseful music consistently though

[remote cedar]

might just be me

my favorite track in the first Doom is and always will be Kitchen Ace (And Taking Names) though

can't get enough of the long guitar notes

[cosmic pagoda]

mouth of war untitled is also a banger

[remote cedar]

This one's amazing

[cosmic pagoda]

its so blatant tho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3JSbOt7CLo

[remote cedar]

tfw unavailable in country

Donna To The Rescue is also a pretty good one

[cosmic pagoda]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=audBZo6O3xU
try this one and come on bot how fast is too fast

ah there we go

but I dont blame for bobby prince ripping it off, that's a killer riff

I see it as a tribute more than anytthing

[finite crag]

kitchen ace is annoying to listen to, just like bye bye american bye

[finite crag]

It fits E2M6 and E4M7 so well

[remote cedar]

Honestly I disagree, but I get that it's a matter of different tastes

[dapper flint]

It's solid

[royal heron]

into sandy's city is also iconic

[royal heron]

ah good times

i got sick of hearing this from my e2m6 runs

[narrow condor]

Bye Bye American Pie is the laziest one because it's just transcribed over to Midi with no modification.

[remote cedar]

it also used to be part of the unused tracks from the first Doom

[narrow condor]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=O8dLu1bercQ

[remote cedar]

it was unused for a good reason

I guess they just reused stuff because they were working under some tight time constraints in development

[remote cedar]

Oh shit you're right there really is no change

how did id get away with that lmaooo

[narrow condor]

Beats me!

And for some weird reason the track is named after a line in a folk song "American Pie" by Don McLean.

Which sounds absolutely nothing like this.

[remote cedar]

I blame time constraints

[narrow condor]

Then again, Them Bones was named after a Black spiritual that also sounds nothing like it.

[finite crag]

doom 1 music > doom 2 music

doom 1 > doom 2

guys

i need help with bug

Guys, do you like E2M6?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOCJsLPAECU pls help

[finite crag]

write it in the doom eternal channel

[analog ridge]

Is Plutonia possible on UN?

[finite crag]

depends how much Adderall is in your system

[zinc niche]

Someone got doom running on a Milky Way Candy bar

[dapper flint]

It's very possible without dying

D2all would be fun

[analog ridge]

I ask because I heard there are lots of Chaingun Bobs, Arch-Viles, and Revenants

[dapper flint]

Do you want to play all of plutonia in one playthrough

[analog ridge]

Possibly

[dapper flint]

That's called d2all

It's hard I don't think I could do it

[hexed escarp]

UN?

[analog ridge]

I meant UV, Ultra-Violence

[hexed escarp]

ah

[tacit remnant]

Plutonia is completely doable on UV. Not easy mind you, but doable

[dapper flint]

This person is saying plutonia all no saves no deaths at once

[hexed escarp]

are they?

[dapper flint]

All kills and secrets

[tacit remnant]

Oh that sounds brutal

[hexed escarp]

when did they say that

[dapper flint]

Maybe

[tacit remnant]

I think they just meant UV and got mixed up

[dapper flint]

If you all just let me message before you reply my response would make more sense

[hexed escarp]

does anybody know how to get dosbox audio that isnt garbage?

im not talking about the midi, i have that working well

but its the frikken sfx

ive messed with the settings, and either its super delayed, or it sounds terrible

it gets especially bad when there is a lot of sounds at a time

i really like the authenticity of playing on dosbox and everything else works smoothly, its just the audio that kills me

[royal heron]

partial on it, partly because I don't remember the rest of the level since whenever I play that level I'm mainly speedrunning it

the speedruns are just

bad though

but for some reason it's still fun

[vale gyro]

Probably never

[floral prawn]

so i downloaded the first games to my xbox (xbox one x in case it matters) using the doom slayers edition, which i got (used) from gamestop. i could redeem the code for the original games and everything but i started up the first game and the enemies wouldnt spawn, does anyone know how to fix this

[tacit remnant]

How far have you gone into the level? There aren’t many enemies in the first level, especially on lower difficulty modes

[dense plinth]

nuts 1 would be

I can run it on my office laptop with only a bit of framerate lag

nuts 2 and 3 however would require a lot more

nuts 3 is still considerably laggy on my gaming desktop

ya kinda did

[narrow condor]

Beating as in reaching the exit or getting all kills?

[remote cedar]

I've been trying to go for full completion in classic doom

so far I've done full completion on Doom and half of Doom 2

except for MAP15 but I think we all know why

[gusty falcon]

Can anyone recommend me some good non linear megawads

I'm playing around with guncaster and kinda want to play some maps that don't mind me finding things out of order I've found lost civilization but that one seems to be abit too much for my little handheld in terms of frame rate it's definitely playable but not all that smooth

[narrow condor]

Eternal Doom, maybe?

[remote cedar]

holy shit Doom Eternal

[gusty falcon]

Have that one haven't actually played it much

[azure nimbus]

Maybe disorder. The first one or two are linear but then there are some big exploration heavy maps

[gusty falcon]

Can i have a link Google is not being very helpful

[narrow condor]

This one, I assume: https://www.doomworld.com/vb/thread/131983

[finite crag]

Guys, where can i find stuart rynn midis? Jimmy has a website but i can't find stewboy's midis

[hexed escarp]

You could just grab them out of the wad with slade

[tacit remnant]

What’s a good first Ribbiks wad?

[finite crag]

i mean all of his midis he made so far

[narrow condor]

Having played it recently, I nominate Crumpets.

It's short, sweet and accessible.

[dapper flint]

Stardate 20×6

[narrow condor]

Although the difficulty slope is a bit too steep.

[hexed escarp]

Ah, then idk

[royal heron]

isn't stardate harder than sunlust?

[dapper flint]

Nah you're thinking 20×7

[royal heron]

probably then

[finite crag]

sunlust UV solonet + fast 👍

[tacit remnant]

Stardate 20x6 or Crumpets? Okay thanks

[azure nimbus]

maybe the median stardate level since stardate only has 8 maps,7 being fairly challenging. Compare that to the slower difficulty curve in sunlust

[narrow condor]

The former is perfectly doable. You can practise it by mapping a route to the exit on a monsterless map and trying strategies in god mode with the monsters on.

The latter isn't possible.

The only run that successfully reached 100% kills in nuts.wad without cheats took 23 days.

Still not possible.

Have fun.

[gusty falcon]

No thanks I'm playing in an android handheld for gods sake.

[finite crag]

turn it into a portable grill

[royal heron]

the amount of precision required to pull this off is extremely high

not to mention that the game will eventually start running on SPF instead of FPS

so it'll literally be unplayable

nuts 100% won't be done without tas or cheats

[vale gyro]

Tool Assisted Speedrun

And I guess SPF is Seconds Per Frame

Which makes literally no sense, as FPS is the form of measurement for this case

But yea, I agree with everyone else

It’ll be impossible to beat nuts.wad with 100% kills without it being tool assisted

Even then

You’ll need to program the crap perfectly

And you’ll need time, the one time someone got 100% kills

It literally took a month

It’s literally impossible

The TAS was made by one of the best doom players to ever exist

What you are doing is WAY above your pay grade

Do what you want to do

I’m just saying, it’s not going to work out

I’m just saying

Doing this requires perfect rng

And you’ll need to be sitting down for 23+ days straight

getting revenant missiles to follow you

To have a chance to kill every cyber demon

Saving ain’t going to help

RNG literally needs to be perfect

And the values will just get completely thrown out of the window when you load a save

Along with how doom’s RNG works

The problem is ammo

Not health

[junior karma]

life's too short to spend it playing trash wads

[dense plinth]

Nuts

Each wad is more difficult than the previous

[vast reef]

having to use spf means that the fps is a fraction

i guess it's easier to understand, but we still use meters per second even when something's going really slow

[ruby crater]

If anyone could inform me; what does RC1 or RC2 mean on someone's wad for OG Doom stuff? I can't seem to find an answer online

[narrow condor]

Release candidate, I assume.

As in it's not the final released version but it's a finished work.

[royal iron]

is soulsphere or mega armor better cos theres a wad where you choose between them and spawns a lot of enemies afterwards

[vale gyro]

ah

thanks for that

[narrow condor]

If you're at full health, go with megaarmour.

As long as you can replenish your lost health with medikits and stimpacks, megaarmour essentially grants you 200 HP. With a supercharge, you won't be able to pick them up to make up for the lost health above 100%, and it grants you only 100 HP.

[ruby crater]

Thanks! I appreciate you telling me

[narrow condor]

No problem.

[finite crag]

my sunder nightmare begins

[wild gorge]

Ok doom 1993 e4 is a pain in the ass I’m fighting thought it but damn

[edgy frigate]

yeah it is, I remember only surviving e4m1 by running away because I was out of ammo

[azure nimbus]

doom in 1993 didn't actually have e4. e4 was added in 1995, after doom2 so its difficulty is harder than d2 at times

[finite crag]

I think they just put 1993 to specify which doom game they were talking about

Thy Flesh Consumed first two levels are a filter basically

Either you give up and turn the difficulty down or you power through and the rest of it is pretty straightforward

[azure nimbus]

they're not. Some of the best in the game

[finite crag]

They’re fun but extremely challenging

Because Romero is a sadist

[azure nimbus]

American McGee made e4m1

[finite crag]

Not so hard after i played swtw, dimensions, and other wads, but it's definitely the worst episode in ultimate dom

E4M1, M2, and M6 are really hard

M3 through M5 are okay

M7 is the best for me

M8 is the second best

[wild gorge]

I think I’m on m6

[finite crag]

romero is going to hell for that

[wild gorge]

Lol

[vast reef]

it's not at all necessary

it's just that at that point i think spf would be easier to grasp than fps

[tacit whale]

In e2m4 with 2 bullets. Found the exit…it’s separated by a canyon of lava

[silent pelican]

My favourite map. Hint; theres solution nearby

[tacit whale]

In the hall of funny faces. Hell naw. Imp swarm. I’m left with my fists

[finite crag]

i don't really remember deimos lab but i don't think there is a canyon of lava near the exit

sorry

nothing

it came to my mind

[tacit remnant]

Say what you will about Sandy Petersen, but at least he never made anything as cruel as Hell Beneath

[dapper flint]

He also invented the imp LOL

[tacit remnant]

Petersen or McGee?

[dapper flint]

Sandy tweeted he invented the imp and then Romero shut him down. It was kinda funny

[tacit remnant]

Huh.

[dapper flint]

Ya Romero has photographic memory so when he does say something it's pretty epic

[tacit remnant]

Petersen is my favorite commercial Doom mapper aside from maybe the Casali brothers. Shores of Hell feels so suffocating and bleak like Hell should

[finite crag]

Sandy is a mixed bag

sometimes he makes very good levels

like E2M6 or E3M6

but sometimes he makes ugly and shit levels like The Chasm or E2M5

[finite crag]

McGee loves to make short and angry levels so he can make early levels for a wad

but his maps are insane on nightmare

Romero is inbetween

his maps aren't very long, but not punishing, except sigil and e4m2 and m6 on UV

[azure nimbus]

"except [lists eleven levels]"

[dapper flint]

[tacit remnant]

I honestly don’t hate the Chasm. It’s jank and weird but it’s also interesting and and kind of fun. Barrels O Fun on the other hand……

[royal heron]

The amount of entities will get so high that it'll take several seconds for 1 frame to pass

That's what I meant

[ruby crater]

bro imagine hating on the chasm when there are so many worse levels in tnt

tnt makes this archvile

[finite crag]

E4M1 is child’s played compared to E4M2 imho

[warped agate]

Can you tell me why doom 2 feels like it’s taking forever to finish?

[dapper flint]

What are you having difficulty with

[warped agate]

I don’t have difficulty with the maps but it feels like there thousands of them it awesome in its own way

[tacit remnant]

Doom 2 is long

[warped agate]

I like and dislike the puzzle maps

[remote cedar]

Doom 2 has a major offender called the city maps

either they're super cramped or have too much space to work with

barely any inbetween

[finite crag]

Some of doom 2’s map are way too vertical but for the most part I don’t mind them or like them quite a bit

I think Doom’s maps were more interesting as settings though

But super shotgun

[remote cedar]

honestly thank god for the super shotgun

imagine taking down an archvile with a regular shotgun

[finite crag]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-falling-building-fall-woodz-gif-24715383

[tacit remnant]

Plutonia is my favorite classic Doom wad. It’s challenging but it makes really good use of the enemies to make short fairly intense maps with lots of traps and fights

[finite crag]

Doom 1 generally has more interesting level design but suffers from lack of enemy variety compared to 2, so I don’t have a clear favorite.

I still need to play Plutonia

[tacit remnant]

Plutonia is very brown, but it mostly works for the jungle theme the Earth levels are going for

[remote cedar]

the perfect Doom experience features Doom 1993 level design and uses Doom 2 enemies

[finite crag]

Oh uhh and super shotgun

[tacit remnant]

Plutonia level design is basically the best parts of Doom 1, but a bit meaner and the Doom 2 monsters are very prominent

[finite crag]

Nice

People shit on the pain elemental but I think it was a lesser evil compared to Dooms lost souls

[tacit remnant]

It has exactly one city map, but it’s pretty good and almost looks like a city

[remote cedar]

arguably, the Lost Soul was the most annoying enemy in Doom

[finite crag]

I respect the Doom 2 devs for even trying to make city maps in that engine

But didn’t exactly pan out lol

[remote cedar]

and then the pain elemental barged in and took that title

[finite crag]

Thought that was universally agreed on

Who actually likes lost souls

[remote cedar]

I mean

some people might hate other monsters more than lost souls

[tacit remnant]

When I say Plutonia is meaner, the opening level has an archevile, chaingunners, and multiple revenants

[remote cedar]

shotgunners have a powerful hitscan attack, in nightmare they're arguably worse than lost souls

[remote cedar]

honestly that's bullshit

[finite crag]

Doom 1 tends to place down a lot of individual lost souls while in 2 it’s less egregious because pain elementals spawn them, making it easy to priories the PE’s and not have to fight entire hordes

[warped agate]

On one of the city maps you have to go down into the lava and you reach a teleport and then you get killed by 1pain elemental 1baron of hell and tons of flying skulls unless you haven’t got the bfg yet.

[tacit remnant]

Plutonia is nasty but you’re also heavily armed. You get a rocket launcher map 1 and almost always have rockets

[finite crag]

But hey at least Doom 1/2 lost souls aren’t like the ones in 64

Fuck those little shits I hate them

[remote cedar]

I have yet to play 64

[warped agate]

I say that’s fair 10 archeviles and a rocket launcher

[remote cedar]

I applaud 64 for being drastically different in design than its predecessors

also, introducing the Unmaker. Absolute beast of a weapon

[finite crag]

I respect 64 a lot for going in a different direction and mostly succeeding but it’s not nearly as enjoyable as 1 or 2 personally

[tacit remnant]

Plutonia is fair despite being hard. You just need to be ready

[warped agate]

Doom 64 kinda reminds me of an earlier version of doom 3 especially with it’s ambience

[remote cedar]

ehh idk if I agree with that

[finite crag]

Less arcadey, less enemy variety, the demons you do fight are often more annoying, and not all the new demons designs work. Not making the shotgun guys and zombie men easily distinguishable was especially weird.

Oh and Hell Knights

LOTS of Hell Knights

Get used to them

[warped agate]

Is the hell knight red or pale like human skin? ‘I get mixed up with them alot’

[tacit remnant]

Pale

[finite crag]

It’s pale

[remote cedar]

Red is Baron of Hell

[warped agate]

thanks

[tacit remnant]

Barons are red

[finite crag]

Just a color swap of the Baron

Has half the health but does the same amount of damage

[remote cedar]

this is such a weird choice imo

[warped agate]

I’ll remember now

[remote cedar]

I would've preferred they had less health but did more damage

[finite crag]

I think it’s a good idea since it allows them to place more psuedo-barons that keep you on your toes without slowing gameplay to a crawl

[remote cedar]

or less health and less damage, making them weaker but more appropriate for early-mid game

[tacit remnant]

Hell knights were designed as a way to throw barons into smaller fights without it being a problem

[finite crag]

Yeah basically

[warped agate]

Is it bad that I only play doom1 and doom2 on console ‘I sadly don’t have a pc’

[finite crag]

It’s fair to say the pallet swap was lazy but idrc

[finite crag]

No it’s fine

[warped agate]

Thanks

[finite crag]

They’re very playable on consoles

[remote cedar]

Doom has good ports on console

[finite crag]

Its how I experienced them recently

[remote cedar]

the XBox 360 port is notoriously good

[tacit remnant]

It’s a bit harder on console but it’s mostly alright

[warped agate]

Just not as much mods as pc

[remote cedar]

it also features achievements, which the Steam version lacks

I would've liked to see achievements on the Steam version

[finite crag]

Weapons being binded to the d-pad helps a lot

[remote cedar]

I wanna be able to flex full completion 😔

[finite crag]

Also console doom does have some popular mods like Sigil, Plutonia, and TNT that you can download

[remote cedar]

it also has master levels

iirc master levels for doom 2 released on Xbox first

[warped agate]

But then you have the one challenge I have no idea how to beat “ beat doom In under 2 hours”.

[tacit remnant]

Heads up that you’ll need to play Deathmatch to get all achievements.

[remote cedar]

I'm guessing cheat codes aren't allowed?

[tacit remnant]

You’ll need to play a good bit of deathmatch

[warped agate]

I suppose , that also probably goes for doom eternal ect

[remote cedar]

I don't see how you can beat all of Doom 1993 under 2 hours

[tacit remnant]

So you’ll need a friend to help with 100% completion as the multiplayer stuff is local only in the recent ports

[finite crag]

The only bad port is doom 3’s but that’s because it’s based on a inferior remaster. Still playable at least.

[warped agate]

What about doom 64 I just get way to tired of backtracking

[finite crag]

Yeah 64 burned me out as well

But the port itself isn’t bad even comes with extra levels

[warped agate]

true

I don’t think I agree with the doom x fortnite collab they don’t even add a classic skin style but I don’t play fortnite I just seen it while browsing

[remote cedar]

Eh I mean

Fortnite is mostly a young audience

[warped agate]

True

[remote cedar]

I don't think it's relevant to add the classic doomguy look to fortnite

the current Doom Slayer design is perfectly fine

[tacit remnant]

Batman shoots people in Fortnite. They don’t do right by the stuff they cross over with anyway

[warped agate]

I agree but it is what it is

[remote cedar]

I'm already pretty happy that Doom Eternal features the Doom Slayer's classic look

[warped agate]

I got all the classic skins

I just downloaded them on the ps store for like 4 and 7 bucks

*downloaded the games’

Is it cool to have all the doom games as in 2023

[remote cedar]

yeah

bought em all yesterday

gotta give it to the Doom franchise bundle on Steam fr

[warped agate]

I’m stuck on a doom 2 level but have no idea what it’s called

[tacit remnant]

Check your map

It lists the level name at the bottom

[warped agate]

Level 28 the spirit world is so confusing rn

[tacit remnant]

Yeah I remember that one being confusing. The last map is 30 so you’re almost done

[remote cedar]

I don't remember which one that is

is it the map with the two Spider Masterminds?

[warped agate]

Nice

Have no idea I killed to revenants and a lot of imps and two aracnatrods

Arachnatrons*

[jaunty jetty]

classic doom is god doom

[clear rapids]

yes

[clear rapids]

what r u stuck on

[warped agate]

I just have no idea where I have to go

not as much stuck

[clear rapids]

in that map there are some random walls you have to shoot to lower or you can just phase right through them

[jaunty jetty]

yo i was just playing doom a bit ago

[warped agate]

I here demons but can’t see them

[clear rapids]

are you in the large room that had imps and pinkies/spectres that has red holes all over the walls

because in that room there is a red opening in the wall that leads to the next room

[warped agate]

GOT PASSED IT!

[jaunty jetty]

this is the doom i havent beaten yet

[clear rapids]

👍

[remote cedar]

I beat Doom and Doom II on Ultra-Violence

and because I was bored I decided to do it again but going for full completion this time

I only allowed myself to not do full completion on MAP15 because of the broken secret

I am not using a Pain Elemental to clip into the floor

[clear rapids]

what are your guys’ thoughts on hell revealed

[remote cedar]

I'm not sure what that is

[azure nimbus]

for a DSDA acceptable uvmax, that secret is optional. Same for the broken secret in map27

[tacit remnant]

Played the first bit a while back. Wasn’t enjoying it so I moved on

[remote cedar]

Oh shit there's a broken secret in MAP27?

I haven't gotten there yet

[tacit remnant]

Hell Revealed is an early wad that is famous for being very very mean

[remote cedar]

Mean as in difficult?

[azure nimbus]

There is a ||secret tunnel. Both the tunnel and the teleporter at the end of the tunnel are tagged separately. But you can't(normally) actually stand on a teleporter because it...teleports you away||

[remote cedar]

Damn. Should've been set on a linedef

[tacit remnant]

Difficult and not strictly fair. It’s still competent though

[azure nimbus]

I mean it's hard but moreso grindy and mean. It's from the early phase of difficult doom

[clear rapids]

old megawad with a reputation of baron spamming

at least ive heard

[azure nimbus]

secret tags are placed on sectors and not linedefs. So the engine doesn't allow placing a secret on a line

[clear rapids]

ive never played it but want to

[remote cedar]

Aw shit

I forgot about that

if only it were that easy...

[azure nimbus]

In d64, secret tags can also be placed on items

[warped agate]

I’m on the last map!

[remote cedar]

MAP29?

[tacit remnant]

I assume they mean the Icon of Sin

[warped agate]

ye icon of sin

[remote cedar]

I would've assumed that too, but MAP29 is the last proper map

ok well good luck out there, watch out for archviles and pain elementals

[forest zodiac]

one map has a sector that's tagged with a key

and if you don't have the key it'll flash the message every time you step into that sector

[warped agate]

I beat doom. 2

[remote cedar]

Hell yeah

On Ultra-Violence?

[warped agate]

Nah I’m to young to die because I’m not a good doomed

Doomer *

[remote cedar]

Hmm

Well you might wanna step up the difficulty at some point

[warped agate]

I will

[remote cedar]

But you can take a break from Doom 2 I think

[warped agate]

I’m going for ultra nightmare on eternal

But I haven’t got up to that yet

[remote cedar]

That is like night and day

In any case, it requires training and knowledge

[warped agate]

Is doom eternal the best way to train? Or do I do another doom

[clear rapids]

doom eternal and classic doom are entirely different in gameplay

so if you want to train for eternal play eternal and vice versa

[warped agate]

K

[clear rapids]

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/107015-wad-progression-for-skill-improvement/

for classic doom

list of megawads that get progressively harder

[azure nimbus]

the map with the second demon key that's right

[vast reef]

plutonia map01 was beatable for a kid who hadn't even beaten doom 1 e3 at the time

just a few deaths

on that first plutonia attempt i gave up at around map 2 or 3

[formal monolith]

This is a cool concept! Especially for newer players getting into classic

Would like to see it expanded with a more extensive list

[vast reef]

ask people on doom communities (doomworld, discord servers, etc.) to see what they can add, then try to compile it

[tacit remnant]

I saw MtPain27’s review of “50 Shades of Greytall” and something dark in me got the urge to make a wad of levels like that with each have just 1-2 wall textures, 1 flat and the skybox and see what I could do with it. Probably would end up with a bunch of maps that look like a fever dream

[vast reef]

oh god

[finite crag]

sigil not really counts, because it's non-official

[finite crag]

Chasm and Habitat Grade F

[finite crag]

i really need to play that

i've played much harder wads but never plutonia

[zenith berry]

I’m not sure if it’s correct or not but a video mentions that one of the FPSes you can use to train for Eternal is Duke Nukem 3D, as it has up-down looking.

[finite crag]

I'm sick of Doom II's maps 1-6, and doom 1's e1m2 to m4

[finite crag]

doom 2 MAP30 worst map in commercial doom

i started to download the MS-DOS version of doom 2

[vast reef]

gonna use dosbox?

[finite crag]

soon i won't have problems with the WolfSS

[vast reef]

oh wait, do you mean the original IWADs instead of the BFG one?

[finite crag]

i will use that version as the IWAD for PrBoom+ to don't have problems with Nazi imagery

[finite crag]

yeah

BFG edition can suck me off

so many pointless changes that makes the game worse

doom 1 doesn't have a BFG edition, or atleast it doesn't have nazi imagery

YEEES the Wolf guys are there and the crosses on the health pickups are red

goodbye BFG edition, i won't miss you

[ruby crater]

Chasm has too many cool things going on to be F. Coping a bit too much there

Nirvana is awful and a few other maps of doom 2, but chasm is cool and inspired a lot of other future maps

just learn to walk better

[gusty falcon]

@dapper flint Decided to combo guncaster with the meat grinder monsters pack plus ancient aliens and after trying maps made by skill saw for abit i finally think i understand the kind of combat magic he works
his encounters are really aggressive but once you understand how they work it's a really big pedal to the metal moment going through them

The map bad medicine men was where it finally clicked for me

The arch viles high up keeping me from flying and the enemy placement hearding me in certain directions to escape projectile and arch vile attacks which lead into this chain of ambushes where every time i thought i was safe and found cover i tripped a trap that kept the pressure on until I was finally able to get up high and Nuke the arch viles

[finite crag]

i learned, and i replayed it not too long ago, it still sucks

[gusty falcon]

The chasm is peak annoyance because dooms movement just doesn't work the best for those really narrow walk ways

It's definitely possible to get good at traversing it but it doesn't make it any less annoying

[azure nimbus]

how so? Doom movement is extremely precise.

[gusty falcon]

There's generally a small delay between the stopping and starting of the movement once you get going you can't quite stop on a dime because of how the momentum works

It's like pressing break on a car going at high speed in my experience when you're moving there's some momentum that has to die first before you come to a full stop.

It's not alot of momentum but it's enough to slide off of the kind of walkways that chasm has in my experience

Dooms movement is very much designed for those big open areas where you can go pedal to the metal at full speed

Like I said it's definitely possible to be able to get good enough to be able to walk them without falling off but it's not very fun to learn that skill

[azure nimbus]

Generally is enough room to slow down before a turn

[finite crag]

I won't like the chasm, no matter what anybody says

"it has a good atmopshere" tf are people talking about

big ugly rooms with ledges and 192 brightness is very atmospheric yeah

[azure nimbus]

Can't have 192. That's a dealbreaker for sure

[finite crag]

if not 192 it's definitely very bright

and bright rooms aren't atmospheric

that pinky secret where it turns dark is atmospheric MAYBE

and that's why if i have to say which doom 2 map is the worst i would say MAP23 & 24

[vast reef]

i don't get how doom movement is precise, it's quite slippery compared to quake or wolfenstein

[vast reef]

walk on the chasm instead of running i guess

[junior karma]

yeah that's why platforming completely sucks

[vast reef]

doom platforming can be fun sometimes ig

not as fun as quake defrag though

[junior karma]

said noone ever 😛

maybe if you're good at it, though I can't imagine someone getting to the platforming part of a map and going "Oh yes I love this part!"

also evidenced by the fact that nobody has made platforming-only maps (or almost noone, there are probably a few obscure ones)

[vast reef]

there are a few i have saved, forgot their names though

[finite crag]

Platforming is the best part of the game

[vast reef]

platforming is a fun challenge, but it's super annoying on maps, especially when they come right after a hard part

[dusky oxide]

Ever played The Chasm?

[finite crag]

Yeah it’s the goat

[junior karma]

obvious troll is obvious

[manic plover]

The hardest difficulty in classic doom games would be the most realistic since he is just a human in that point of the series

[finite crag]

i almost smashed my keyboard because of: "92:0 eXpEcTeD 'iDeNtIfIeR' bUt GoT 'sTrInG cOnStRaSt InStEaD" fucking stupid UMAPINFO

[manic plover]

That one Doom 2 level be like: Picked up bonus health item x100

[finite crag]

map18

[manic plover]

BFG lore:

[finite crag]

what

[manic plover]

🟢

Doom 1993 BFG lore from gameplay lore

[finite crag]

oh

[manic plover]

What the gameplay lore is

[vast reef]

my guy

he runs at like 60 mph gameplay-wise

he takes bullets and lives, without armor

if you want a "realistic" doom experience, go play hideous destructor

[clear rapids]

nobody takes 5 shotgun blasts and runs away from it

[junior karma]

if doom's meant to be realistic doom guy should be in a neck brace

[tacit remnant]

Doom Guy is like Captain America in terms of abilities. Nightmare is maybe more lore accurate purely because of how the demons never stop coming so you can’t just stand and fight; you’ll eventually be worn down

[dapper flint]

That makes sense minus the fast monsters

[narrow condor]

Idea for a secret map gimmick: The whole map is lined with a domino chain of barrels that culminate in ten exit teleporters circling the map. If even one barrel explodes, soon enough all of them do, and ten archviles flood the map from the exit teleporters. A linedef at the exit triggers the crushers for archvile teleporter closets. You can choose to play very slowly and carefully and reach the exit without blowing up a single barrel, or you can straight up blow them up once you have enough weapons and deal with the archviles directly, so you don't have to play it safe for the rest of the map. (I imagine the barrels would also take down a lot of monsters with them, but the corpses would be in archviles' path anyway.)

[remote cedar]

You would be forced to explode the barrels in order to 100% the map

[narrow condor]

Why?

Barrels don't count towards kills.

[remote cedar]

But the archviles do

[finite crag]

make the player swarmed by the barrels lol

[narrow condor]

That's why I said 'A linedef at the exit triggers the crushers for archvile teleporter closets.'

[remote cedar]

Oh my bad I didn't understand that part

[finite crag]

When i make a map i love to throw a ton of monsters at the player

[narrow condor]

The 'outrun the barrel chain leading up to the voodoo doll and exit in time' gimmick is pretty old (and part of the inspiration for this).

Its Boom equivalent is a voodoo doll on a conveyor belt leading up to a slow crusher.

[finite crag]

Spam Archviles that’d be pretty funny I think

i'm kind of the opposite of B.P.R.D's style

when i make a map i give the player a lot of ammo at every fight, and i throw a lot of monsters at them

B.P.R.D gives you 6 shells and 50 bullets in one map lol

[narrow condor]

My stance on BPRD's maps in general is just 'I know what you're trying to do and I respect that but I hate everything about this'.

Equinox was very unenjoyable for me but it was too interesting to drop halfway through.

[finite crag]

my weak point is when a map starves me on ammo

i play on PrBoom+ and the enemies' hitbox is bad to punch out bigger enemies

on ZDoom the enemies' hitbox are attached to the sprite

[narrow condor]

Yeah, it doesn't match my play style either. I'm fine with limited ammo and don't mind going some stretches without any ammo because navigating the map and avoiding monsters in search for ammo is also fun. But when there's barely any ammo at all in the map in total, it means that if you weren't careful early on and wasted too much, the map becomes unbeatable past a certain point.

[finite crag]

in my wad, there will be 1 map that relies on tyson playstyle

and that will be the opener map of the hellish episode

MAP21

[narrow condor]

See, Tyson maps are fine because you're expected to rely on your fists.

BPRD doesn't even give you berserk because they don't expect you to play Tyson, they expect you to be extremely frugal with ammo.

[finite crag]

chainsaw isn't useful most of the time

[finite crag]

Well yes, but you can use the chainsaw and the pistol if you want to beat a regular map in tyson

strange that pistol is allowed in tyson rules

but it makes sense, you can reach enemies which are too far or too high to be killed with melee

it allows a lot more maps to be completed

[dapper flint]

And on the rare occasion triggers

[thorny pumice]

[finite crag]

I found two very dramatic songs

one from Jimmy and one from stewboy

stewboy's midi will play in my wad's map10 & 27. jimmy's will in 25 & 30

[lethal sedge]

Playing through Final Doom. Plutonia is really well designed, at least until the last third of it, where it becomes all so samey and have odd design all over it. MAP29 is great but the rest of the last 10 levels...eh

I wonder how TNT will hold up when I get to it

[faint musk]

IDDQD all you need 😏

[lethal sedge]

Well, most levels up to MAP20 (plus the secret levels) stand out well and give different challenges there

Meanwhile MAP21 to MAP30 (besides MAP29) is more just "uhhh brown room with Revenants and stuff i dunno"

Kind of tradition for like a last third of Doom games to be the weakest levels

Though I think even Doom 1 and 2 at least had more stellar levels despite their weak last thirds

E3M6 and MAP29 in Doom 1 and 2 respectively are real great

[dapper flint]

The 2 secret levels are pretty decent. I enjoyed them

[lethal sedge]

Thank you Dario Casali for contributing those two secret levels! And MAP18 but uhh that was kind of a weak level

[tacit remnant]

Evilution is divisive. Some people like the exploration aspect and others (like me) just hate the bloat and kinda limp combat

[lethal sedge]

Did you know TNT MAP09 only has ONE enemy that isn't a hitscanner or Imp

[tacit remnant]

I didn’t

[lethal sedge]

That one enemy is a lone Pinky

[tacit remnant]

That’s sad but not surprising imo

[lethal sedge]

Yeah, TNT is very reliant on zombies and imps for the majority of the mapset. It's only until like the last 5 levels where enemy variety is actually something you see often

[tacit remnant]

Hence why I didn’t enjoy it and quit partway through

[lethal sedge]

I think Dario Casali did a playthrough of TNT Evilution some months back on his YouTube channel

Pretty interesting

[tacit remnant]

I didn’t know he had a YouTube channel tbh

[lethal sedge]

Well he does. He also did a playthrough of Plutonia of all maps back in 2021 too

[tacit remnant]

That’s neat. I think I’ll check that out

[dapper flint]

The funniest was his playthrough of sunder haha

[lethal sedge]

He did a playthrough of Sunder? I should check that out l ater

[dapper flint]

Definitely do. It's hilarious. Especially his sound replacements

[ancient marsh]

Someone know if the addon Armony is the last for Doom for console? It comes out in October and since then none more have come out.

[tacit remnant]

Who knows

I hope not but they haven’t really had a consistent schedule anyway

[dapper flint]

Sometimes unity has dry spells I'm sure it'll get maps still from time to time

[ancient marsh]

Let’s hope so

[tacit remnant]

Trying Anomaly Report and I have a feeling it was playtested with freelook given how many enemies are too high or low to see

[remote cedar]

but aren't the enemies also too low or too high to see you then

[dapper flint]

Nope

Doesn't work like that

[tacit remnant]

This much verticality screws with Doom combat hard

[remote cedar]

Oh wait no nevermind, only some enemies are restricted when they attack not when they see you

[tacit remnant]

Also the attack limit there is distance not angle IIRC

The hitscanners may have an angle limit i forget

But imps certainly don’t

[remote cedar]

I was thinking about the hitscanners yes

[tacit remnant]

It’s mostly imps out of view in this wad

[finite crag]

TNT is mid

tnt's early levels are okay

map04 and 5 is very good

some of the middle levels are long (Mill) but you'll probably have your favourite map there

my personal favourite is MAP20

the late levels have the worst levels of tnt

they are through map22-25

22 is horrible

stupid sewers

25 is a dark underground level which sucks too

from there, it's just MAP27 (mount pain) which can be hard, but if you take it slow it's not that bad

MAP30 is a different type of icon of sin map than the other two in commercial doom

it's not just the icon of sin

there is an actual level building up to it

but obviously, TNT doesn't hold up as well as Plutonia does.

[finite crag]

npw i try plutonia out

i'm afraid that it'll be doable after i played dimensions, swtw and some other hard wads but i'll see

i'm playing with the midi pack

[lethal sedge]

Something interesting to point out is that although Plutonia's levels were designed with pistol starts in mind

Milo and Dario preferred playing continuously, which is how they played back in the 90s

[finite crag]

but it can be beaten with pistol start right?

[lethal sedge]

I just said they were made with pistol starts in mind, yes

[finite crag]

then ok

i played map01, i'll continue later

[lethal sedge]

It's how official Doom levels were made even back in Doom 1

And to get more far back, Wolfenstein 3D

[finite crag]

when i tried map01 in november or december i guess, i died a lot and i was totally freaked out of mancubi and pain elementals and archviles in the first map

now i blazed through it with no effort, even though i didn't remember it @lethal sedge

[lethal sedge]

Playing more does that

[finite crag]

since then i played much harder wads

[lethal sedge]

It's also how to get better at speedrunning levels. You do a rough first run, a better second run, an even better third run, then from there it's just optimizing to even the tiniest decisions

[finite crag]

plutonia will be child's play after suffering through dimensions' map1-3

[tacit remnant]

I think I’d describe classic Doom’s art style as being like a Saturday morning cartoon but way more violent and gory

[ruby crater]

I’m sure you did

[tacit remnant]

I like Chasm, but I completely understand why a lot of people don’t.

Platforming in early Doom is kind of jank and awkward, so building an entire level around precise platforming was probably not the best idea

[finite crag]

yeah

i won't like the chasm no matter what people (and you) say

the only good thing in the chasm is the pinky secret

but that is a bit boring as well

no matter what, The Chasm grade F

or max. D

[ruby crater]

Cool?

[finite crag]

tf

[tacit remnant]

Imo chasm is a case of a map where the story behind it is more interesting than the actual map. Specifically Petersen says he based it (and a couple of his other Doom 2 maps) on a recurring nightmare he’d been having. In Chasm’s case the nightmare was walking a tightrope over an abyss

The other map with that kind of story is the superior Monster Condo

[finite crag]

i finished Scythe 2 MAP20

one of the most dramatic maps i have ever seem

seen

and played

[royal heron]

Not to mention you can literally skip the entire level

In under 20 seconds

Anyway, on the topic of chasm if I were to play it normally then it'd be a bad experience

Did that once before, had no idea where tf I was going

Thankfully I can also just skip a lot of the level by taking the speedrunning path

And also because I'm extra stupid I've done practice runs on it to the point where I can comfortably strafe on the ledges

[glossy lagoon]

I'm increasingly annoyed about how reliant on darkness for difficulty Sigil seems to be at times.

[halcyon elm]

honestly i can see that, the chasm gives me nightmares too

[glossy lagoon]

At this point, I genuinely feel like a non-insignificant portion of my deaths can at least partially linked to the fact that I can hardly see where enemies are half of the time until they do damage to me.

[finite crag]

yeah but i go for 100% kills and secrets

[remote cedar]

what about 100% items?

if you want full completion you're gonna need those too

[azure nimbus]

nah nobody really cars about items. Even on the speedrun website, DSDA, items are not required. Maybe one day it'll be another category but not today

[remote cedar]

damn

I always try to go for 100% items when I'm playing

[finite crag]

ain't nobody got time for looking for items

even decino or vytaan goes for kills and secrets

items just in nightmare series

[dapper flint]

Ya no lol

[royal heron]

Items are way too annoying

I will not search an entire damn level to try and find 1 armor bonus that I missed because I didn't look carefully enough

[analog ridge]

Non-secret hidden areas should've just been coded as secrets.

[vast reef]

i love the sprites that were pictures of actual objects

like the weapons, some decorations, and some enemies

they just have this really nice charm to them imo

[remote cedar]

reminds me of that one hidden megasphere in MAP11 or MAP12 (don't remember)

I spent so long looking for it and it was just behind a fake wall

wasn't even marked as secret so I thought I just left it somewhere in an area and forgot to pick it up

[azure nimbus]

map11 has a lot of unmarked stuff. The soulsphere behind the wall marked with blood, the various items in the goo, the bfg and berserk on the outskirts of the final building, and the (I think mega)sphere accessed via teleporter near the exit

[analog ridge]

BTW, played the first level of Plutonia and I've suddenly gained a newfound hatred for Chaingun Bobs.

[royal heron]

Chaingunners are used pretty frequently in plutonia, so get used to them

One of the maps even start out with a chaingunner behind you

If you don't know that he's there, he'll either whittle you down to low health for the beginning of the level or kill you if you can't react fast enough

Sooooooo... yeah

[azure nimbus]

they are the best designed hitscaner

[dapper flint]

I started to just blind run search for secrets but even if I don't find them whatever. My videos are just combat montages these days

[faint musk]

Smashing the use key while face smashing textures/walls 🤣 classic doom

[azure nimbus]

You're never truly lost. Can always open up an editor if all else fails.

[vast reef]

^

[vast reef]

oh wait you're coffeeguy

didn't recognize you with the new pfp lol

[royal heron]

Lmao

[atomic dust]

I don’t think Sandy Petersen’s maps are bad at all, I enjoyed quite a few of them

Suburbs is quite good. fighting hordes of demons never gets old

[lethal sedge]

To his credit, he was basically the work force of Doom 1 and 2

Most of the levels in both games were done by him

Granted for Doom 1 a lot of it was Tom Hall's work finished up but still

[warped frost]

hey i need help getting the doom 1 wad into GZdoom

[vale gyro]

I could help, not a GZDoom user however, but I know how to throw a wad into it

[warped frost]

ok call?

[vale gyro]

rather not

[warped frost]

ok

[vale gyro]

it’s 3:20 AM over here

[warped frost]

guide me

[vale gyro]

so, what do you currently got?

in terms of progress that is

[warped frost]

a M1 macbook pro

doom1 and 2 wads

and the mac ver of GZdoom

[vale gyro]

so, just shove those two wads into the directory of the GZDoom files

and when you run the program, it should pop up

[warped frost]

what

wheres the directory

[vale gyro]

where did you install GZDoom?

[warped frost]

onto finder

i didnt really put it anywhere

[vale gyro]

do you know where the files are?

[warped frost]

its just in my downloads

[vale gyro]

is basically what I’m asking

so, put the wad files into that folder you have it at

[warped frost]

so make a new folder for GZ and WADS

[vale gyro]

actually you just need to put the GZDoom files and wads into a single folder

[warped frost]

or do i put them into gzdoom-4-10-0-macOS

[vale gyro]

yes

[warped frost]

didnt work

[vale gyro]

explain how you put them in

[warped frost]

i draged the wads into the file

[vale gyro]

hmmm

that’s what you should do

[warped frost]

i cant send images here

[vale gyro]

dm me or put them into #screenshots

[finite crag]

Plutonia map01 is very easy

[stoic matrix]

what is most relatable doom moment for you gays

[tacit remnant]

I don’t understand the question

Relatable in what sense?

[finite crag]

i want to create beautiful maps, and if i watch how to, i still can't create it because i'm so fucking lazy to everything

Sunder map20 is a very good inspiration for me but i'm very lazy

[tacit remnant]

I have a tendency to make 2-5 rooms then realize I’m out of ideas. I remember trying to make a demon hotel wad but had trouble making levels that felt right. Incidentally, which IWAD has the best texture set to use as a base?

[finite crag]

I finished scythe 2 map22 an hour ago. Then i quit because i'm afraid to go MAP23 onward

i heard that the wad gets insane from there

[dapper flint]

Humping walls in public to find secrets

[dense plinth]

that's wolfenstein

[finite crag]

#screenshots 38 minutes of pure torment...

[dapper flint]

That's both

[dense plinth]

indeed

[atomic dust]

yo

nice to see a fellow Serious Sam community member in here

[finite crag]

i started playing sunder

the problem with the early maps is they are really small and packed with enemies

the later maps (from map13) are large, so you usually have places to hide

[clear rapids]

i just finished speed of doom last night

[brave fable]

thinking I finished a level only to be greeted with 10 imps