classic-doom

[tacit remnant]

Eviternity isn’t laid out like Doom Eternal but it has that kind of scale

[finite crag]

or if somebody somehow merges them into classic doom

[coarse cradle]

ooo sounds nice

[finite crag]

I heard about Eviternity, i didn't play it yet

[tacit remnant]

Also Eviternity’s final episode is a heaven area

[finite crag]

yeah, i know

especially MAP26

i think it'll burn my game xd

especially if i don't turn off high quality resize

[coarse cradle]

eviternity should be compatible with EOA right?

[finite crag]

what's EOA

[coarse cradle]

embers of armageddon. its doom 2016 in classic doom

there's an eternal version too. it's quite nice

[finite crag]

i think so

but eviternity changes the pistol's fire rate, so the pistol may be glitched with EOA @coarse cradle

[coarse cradle]

aight

wont really use the pistol tho since pretty sure it's removed for the eternal version

[finite crag]

in doom unbroken (doom eternal weapons, etc. for classic doom) there is the pistol which is unused in doom eternal

[coarse cradle]

damn i might get it sometime

damn it

does anyone know why some wads work but others dont

like the only wads that seem to be working are the main ones

[finite crag]

what does it say?

but i think the compatibility you're using isn't the wad's default

what source port are you using?

[coarse cradle]

"the execution could not continue"

[coarse cradle]

GZDOOM

[finite crag]

interesting

gzdoom supports everything

[coarse cradle]

R_installSprite : Sprite BSPI frame A is missing rotations

[finite crag]

ask it on doomworld, or search it on google

[coarse cradle]

aight

they say it has something to do with the sprite name

thing is idk how to deal with that if i didnt even create the sprites

[finite crag]

wait a sec i try it

i try eviternity

[coarse cradle]

like the end of the name should be 0

[finite crag]

oh i get it know

you need to use MBF compatibility

you can set it in GZDoom

[coarse cradle]

huh

[coarse cradle]

how do i set it

[finite crag]

in GZDoom, in the options, search "Compatibility"

and there you should be able to set it to MBF

[coarse cradle]

wdym "in" gzdoom?

sorry im a bit new to modding so

in properties right?

damn im confused

[finite crag]

boot up gzdoom

and in the app

search it in the options

@coarse cradle

[coarse cradle]

aight

[coarse cradle]

how do i boot it up without a wad?

[finite crag]

just click on it then select the iwad

[coarse cradle]

alright

MBF strict or no

[finite crag]

whatever

[coarse cradle]

thanks

shit nvm still the same thing

[finite crag]

MBF should fix it

then i dunno

go on doomworld then ask it in a topic

[coarse cradle]

does the change affect ZDL

[finite crag]

ZDL is just a launcher, the sourceport doesn't affect it

[coarse cradle]

oh then damn

[finite crag]

if you use boom, you can write -complevel 11 in the command parameter, but in GZDoom i dunno

[coarse cradle]

the problem mightve been the launcher so imma just drag the EOA files with the eviternity

[finite crag]

okay

[hexed escarp]

How does doom render flats

I understand how it renders walls but how does it do flats

[wicked loom]

The following are the best doom modifications I know of, regardless of time period: sunlust, speed of doom, revilution, scythe 2, alien vendetta, going down, elementalism, ashes 2063, total chaos, reelism 2, Wolfendoom, and blade of agony. This list includes wads and total conversions. I haven’t found a good list, so here you go.

[narrow condor]

If you're looking for more, I recommend checking out the Cacowards.

[spice radish]

Ashes is very good yeah

[red token]

What's your favourite weapon? Mine is Plasma Gun, it's the most satisfying of the weapons for me other than the super shotgun

[finite crag]

ssg

i honestly never use plasma gun as much when i get bfg cause i wanna save ammo for it

[narrow condor]

SSG is my bread and butter.

[finite crag]

rl, ssg

and bfg if we include power weapons

[narrow condor]

I like BFG from a technical standpoint because it's got such unique mechanics.

[steel lion]

Do the cyberdemon rockets and player rockets deal the same damage?

[finite crag]

cyberdemon rockets deal a bit more damage

[steel lion]

Blast or impact?

[finite crag]

uhh

in total

in total it deals more damage

i don't know if which is dealing how much damage

[tepid tulip]

I have a very important question

I want to play some custom music onto GZDOOM while playing any wad

Can you use the changemus command to change said music

And do I need to have a folder within GZDOOM and then it can access it there?

MP3s iirc

[vale gyro]

this is for changing music of a level to a track from a different level

so unless that midi is apart of the wad, it won’t change

[tepid tulip]

Ah okay

I don't want to change the music inside the wad btw, I want to play music independent from the wad

[narrow condor]

The easiest way would be to mute the in-game music and play your preferred music with an external audio player.

[narrow condor]

Yes, they're identical.

[tepid tulip]

Yeah I think that's ideal

I do want to record myself playing a wad on OBS so I don't know how to play the external music (like I'm gonna use foobar2000 to play it independently)

and obviously not gonna use copyrighted music, I'm more likely gonna play game music mainly

[narrow condor]

I don't know what you're using to record but that should be doable with a mixer.

[tepid tulip]

OBS is the thing I'm gonna be using to record myself playing Doom, I can add the music player on a separate window but I don't know how I can mix it

You can mix it but I don't have the knowledge to do that

[narrow condor]

What OS are you on?

Wait, doesn't OBS have its own internal audio mixer?

[tepid tulip]

That's what I'm saying

Well right now I'm researching how to do it so I can play some music while doing some stuff

[finite crag]

s l a d e

[tepid tulip]

Slade is fine but I think I already gotten my stuff prepared with OBS anyways

[vocal summit]

you can modify synthdoom with your own music

it'll work with any wad

[azure nimbus]

they are exactly the same. @finite crag is wrong. They're the same projectile https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Rocket

[hexed escarp]

But if you are shooting a cyberdemon it will take less damage than it does to you since it doesn’t take blast damage

[analog ridge]

Why does the Chaingun Bob's chaingun sound like the shotgun?

[narrow condor]

You mean the former commando?

If so, the shotgunner and the chaingunner simply have the same attack sounds. Probably out of laziness convenience.

[finite crag]

I thought they made it the shotgun sounds cause it sounded more like
Loud

[dense plinth]

died on Plutonia 2's second level

I think I was in the final area too

[tacit remnant]

It’s the same chaingun so it would be weird if it sounded different in your hands

[formal monolith]

I had a thought the other day that there is an enemy that uses every type of projectile doomguy can, except one which the BFG shot

Imagine a BFG enemy

[dense plinth]

has anyone ever been so cruel to create a super shotgunner enemy type?

[azure nimbus]

Yes. They show up sometimes. in deadliest demolition, they are extremely prevalent. That wad is vanilla too with many dehacked changes. I recommend checking it out

[dense plinth]

aight ty

[formal monolith]

Yeah in custom enemies I actually found the BFG Commando

[azure nimbus]

have you seen it in a vanilla or boom wad? I actually don't know if that can be done outside of gzdoom or maybe mbf

[formal monolith]

https://i.imgur.com/gm8Sdne.png

I haven't seen it in a vanilla wad no

[azure nimbus]

I think a game with more advanced AI could make it cool, but it's hard to imagine it being balanced in doom lol

[dense plinth]

I've come to have a love hate relationship with secrets

on one hand, they provide bonus resources and can hide neat easter eggs

on the other hand, they're secret

so I usually have to look up where they are cause I likely won't find them on my own

which is the whole point of them

[ornate vortex]

I believe skillsaw used this sprite in Lunatic

[tacit remnant]

I could see BFG guys working in Dehacked vanilla if used very sparingly and maybe making the ball travel a little slower than the player BFG so the player has more opportunity to evade

[tepid tulip]

I'm glad to say I have beaten my record of getting deeper into Plutonia from Map02 being my roadblock on HMP

it really is a buzz kill wad honestly, but I do respect it and if I'm gonna be a better player I must play it and beat it eventually

[tepid tulip]

I really do like Aztec, even if it had a disgusting Archvile trap but regardless it was a very well designed map

Already a top contender for favorite Plutonia map

[tepid tulip]

Caged made me confused, claustrophobic and mildly annoyed

I wouldn't try to say it's a bad map bc it felt like it knew what monsters needed to be placed and the fact it being pretty limited in space

I can't dislike the thought process on it

Ghost Town is well, hitscan hell

[craggy bone]

Caged is fucking horrible with fast monsters

You come off the starting lift and immediately lose like half your health to hitscanners

[tepid tulip]

HMP was kicking my ass on that level

I think I died three times there

Or four actually

I can't say it's a horribly designed stage, they knew what they were designing, it was too strategically placed to infuriate you

Even if this level has tons of medkits doesn't help that the start is challenging

Map07 of Plutonia, was honestly pretty fun and a better Dead Simple

Maybe that Archvile teletag section was pretty funny and cool to figure out how to tackle it on the fly

I did almost leave out of there with barely health bc of that last section

[spice radish]

Personally I’d rather play Dead Simple 100 times pistol start on UV with fast monsters then play Caughtyard 10 times

[tepid tulip]

Maybe bc I'm playing on HMP it isn't as horrifying as UV

But I can definitely see where you're coming from

I mean it's Plutonia

[spice radish]

Yeah the rocket launcher replaces the SSG in usefulness especially in that map

[tepid tulip]

Yeah

Oh do the weapons and stuff change from HMP to UV?

I'd probably assume monsters obviously

[spice radish]

Like damage values? No I think only thing that changes across difficulties is enemy aggression and how fast there attacks are

[craggy bone]

No, the only thing that changes from HMP to UV is how many enemies there are. Damage, aggression, speed etc. don't change at all.

[tepid tulip]

I was asking about weapon placement changing, maybe I misunderstood what you meant

That's on me tho

[craggy bone]

ITYTD has halved enemy damage and double ammo. Nightmare has double ammo but fast and respawning monsters.

[tepid tulip]

Obviously HMP and UV would have different monster placements

[craggy bone]

Enemy placement goes: ITYTD (fewest enemies), HNTR + HMP (same number), UV + NM (most enemies)

[tepid tulip]

I know that difficulty is well, the baby mode of the game

And Nightmare, can people beat Plutonia on Nightmare?

[craggy bone]

People have done it, yeah

It's been out for almost 30 years

[spice radish]

Respawning Archviles in MAP11 is just evil

[tepid tulip]

I know it's a notorious mapset, but I wouldn't put it past the community to have beaten it

I have yet to reach hunted but

Does HMP have less Archviles?

[craggy bone]

Plutonia is pretty baseline difficulty for user-made maps

[spice radish]

Good FUCKING luck

[spice radish]

It definitely isn’t the hardest by todays standards but it’s still rather difficult

[craggy bone]

It's definitely the hardest official mapset by quite a margin

[tepid tulip]

I also failed to also mention I'm playing with Corruption Cards (with final Doomer)

But it still hands me my ass

[spice radish]

Dear god

[tepid tulip]

I only survived as much as I could bc I try to expect the unexpected

And hide as much as I could

Like I won't lie I'm doing a lot better than I expected on Plutonia in a blind run

Oh and Plutonia with Corruption Cards was just for fun but gotten inspired by Coincidents video

[spice radish]

I should run Plutonia again. I was proud of myself for beating Thy Flesh Consumed on UV but I know beating Plutonia is a whole nother thing

[tepid tulip]

Like tbh, if I were to beat Hunted, I can definitely try to

I mean you get an SSG, and the SSG is a trusty weapon

[spice radish]

Yeah but being chased down by an Archvile (sometimes multiple) in tight narrow spaces with no cover is brutal

[tepid tulip]

Yeah that's the problem

Hunted is designed in a way to really make you lose your mental fortitude

You're not just facing the archviles in an open space, it's a disorienting maze and the music on top of that will tick you as well

I only say I might be confident in beating it bc of getting an SSG

But it needs to take some practice

I will definitely get floored for the first few times

[spice radish]

It is a maze afterall

[tepid tulip]

An ugly one at that, I'm lucky I did prepare a bit with Dean of Doom's reviews as well

I'll say at least it's not on UV, so there might be less Archviles

But not to the point where it'll be easy either

Welp, it's actually uniform from HMP and UV

cring.

[wanton lion]

some still playing old doom with new mods

it's beatiful

[narrow condor]

There are probably more Doom players right now than ever was in the 21st century.

[vast reef]

yep

[azure nimbus]

I think there are exactly as many doom players now as the 21st century

[finite crag]

there are millions of people who play classic doom with new mods/wads

still

[vast reef]

i think they meant that within the 21st century, there are more doom players at this moment than there were at any moment in the past

[narrow condor]

Within the interval beginning from 01 January 2001 up until this point. ;-P

We could probably go farther back, since the Doom boom had abated by the time Quake 2 and Unreal came out, but that's not as dramatic as saying 'the 21st century'.

[finite crag]

i think so many people likes The Chasm because decino likes it lol

[dapper flint]

I'm all about map 29. Personally I felt that was one of the more challenging doom 2 nightmare maps

[finite crag]

Map29 is challenging on regular UV too

[tardy wind]

I present you a demo version of the wad, which consists of 8 passable maps. I'm waiting for your feedback, friends.

SOURCE PORT: Any (I recommend Vanilla/Chocolate DOOM) with my small dehacked modification
IWAD: DOOM2.WAD
Using modifications for the original iwads: allowed
Jumping and crouching: disallowed

Save more often!

https:// drive. google. com/file/d/1WXhiGBdZrlykaU7yn_sLGBhXi3UAlyX5/view?usp=share_link

please don't ban! 👏 I am making levels for 30 years old game

[finite crag]

Will try tomorrow

Does it work with PrBoom+?

[tardy wind]

yes. it compatible even with DOS DOOM

[minor fulcrum]

what's the best doom android port?

[royal heron]

Probably Delta Touch

That is paid though

[spice radish]

Watched a video by Karl Jobst about speedruns done on that map. Super interesting but the map still sucks

[minor fulcrum]

ty

[narrow condor]

"Interesting but sucks" seems to be a common impression on a lot of maps.

[royal heron]

True tbh

[wanton lion]

well, i have hope on the world

[dense plinth]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/642304323560407044/1095532124624396308/image.png

I broke game

I dunno what else I expected trying to load a heretic wad through doom

[spice radish]

seeing that broken texture texture will never not be weird to me

[forest zodiac]

looks like you're running in software mode, that fallback texture is light blue and white but it displays as gray in regular software mode due to the limited palette

[dense plinth]

no that image is hardware accelerated

and the sector light mode is vanilla

I just have the tonemap selected to palette

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/642304323560407044/1095540072897593384/image.png

this is with tonemap turned off

[next panther]

What is the right source port to play Doom on Nightmare? I would love to play that difficulty in the purest possible state.

[tacit remnant]

Chocolate Doom or DSDA Doom wou be most authentic

[next panther]

Thank you

[finite crag]

I have really messed up configs for crispy doom

I have 35 fps cap but I use widescreen
So it's like semi modern or something

Idk it just feels too smooth without 35 fps for some reason

[hexed escarp]

Chocolate doom is 100% as close to vanilla as possible on modern windows, crispy doom is modified chocolate with slight qol features like uncapped fps widescreen and twice the og resolution but fully unmodified gameplay

Dsda doom let’s you run it at your screens full resolution as well as other qol features but still unmodified gameplay

[azure nimbus]

if you wanted too, you're free to run on small screen low res 35 Hz on dsda as well

[finite crag]

uhm

heretic has a different format

[dense plinth]

cool

[dapper flint]

Not the squares !

[finite crag]

i've watched so many videos about doom eternal, and i really want to play it but my pc is so shitty it can barely even run cities skylines on the lowest graphics setting

[dapper flint]

It's pretty well optimized I'd give it a go on low

[finite crag]

it can't run no matter how hard i try

[finite crag]

it says error getphysicaldevicefeatures2

[proud gate]

[atomic dust]

this is so cursed

just as cursed as the purple and black missing textures used for source engine games

[steel lion]

What would happen if i shoot a rocket to an enemy with their origin point inside of 4 blocks?

[narrow condor]

Depends on the engine. I think there's a bug that makes the damage exponential for that edge case in the vanilla engine.

[finite crag]

you become coincident

Coincident is a face rocket master

[finite crag]

I played doom 2 map23 again on UV-Max, no saves

Not as hard as i remember, but it still sucks

[ivory jewel]

Doom is the Greatest’ ❤️🙌🔥

[quartz vault]

Yes hail doom🙌

[pale plaza]

In case anyone want to play Doom with the same kind of feeling we got from the 90s with antiquated hardware on crt monitors, there are some dosbox newer releases who use shaders to emulate those monitors scanlines and so on. one goes as far as even to emulate screen curvature. DosBox-Crt is the one that I use.

[narrow condor]

Some source ports also have third-party 'CRT demake shaders', like GZDoom and Doom Retro.

[dapper flint]

Still isn't the same

[broken heron]

I find the slight visual upgrade of GZDoom weirdly does a better job of capturing how I thought it looked as a kid

[dense plinth]

I just use GZDoom for everything

And change settings to try and emulate chocolate doom as closely as possible

[finite crag]

c r i s p y d o o m

[dense plinth]

I didn't want to use crispy cause I still want the modding capabilities

[dense plinth]

TNT Evilutions Super Secret level reminds me of Heretics first level

with the water and wooden structures

[hexed escarp]

I wish that there was a sourceport that could play gzdoom mods but still had demo compatibility

[dense plinth]

demo compatibility?

[vast reef]

not 2000?

[azure nimbus]

Demo compatability refers to the ability to record and play demo files. these files record your inputs during play. since doom is deterministic, replaying your inputs results in the exact same results. The idea is that these can be shared, so it's important that everyone's game engine is exactly the same. Someone playing true vanilla on dod, crispy, chocolate, dsda, or prboom, are all playing on engines that perfectly emulates vanilla doom(or is vanilla). So a demo would be identical. a but on gzdoom, it does not actually emulate vanilla exactly so nobody uses it for demos

[dense plinth]

so like, the game playing itself?

[vast reef]

yes, that's what demo files are for

[tacit remnant]

Yeah it’s basically used for recording and replaying footage in order to verify speedruns and the like

It’s harder to get away with cheating than if you just videoed the run

[dense plinth]

ahh, interesting

well I'm not a speedrunner so it doesn't bother me much

[narrow condor]

Since there was no year 0 and calendars begin at 1, century and millennium reckoning begins from 1.
ie 1-100, 101-200 ... 1901-2000, 2001-2100.

You can blame the Romans for that one.

[vast reef]

ahh

[jagged glade]

How many of you use gameplay mods?

[vast reef]

me

[tacit remnant]

I do not. I play custom campaigns a lot though

[coarse cradle]

i mean lots of ppl mod doom1 now no?

[finite crag]

Yeye

so many people use GZDoom

I don't like it

Even with Doom (strict) compatibility enabled

[dense plinth]

I use smoothdoom weapons only

that's about it

[jagged glade]

I thought Smooth Doom had a Monsters Only variant but that was it?

[finite crag]

Smoothdoom feels like the weapons are weaker and enemies are made of slime

For me, atleast

[dense plinth]

I don't remember seeing a monsters only varient on the download screen, but maybe I just missed it

[dense plinth]

yeah for me the smooth enemies just felt weird, hence why I only play with the weapons only version

[finite crag]

I tried smoothdoom, it feels like the weapons are weak

[dense plinth]

weapons felt the same to me

[jagged glade]

Personally, I almost always play with the DAKKA mod

Imagine Final Doomer or some other vanilla adjacent thing but with a hint of Russian Overkill

I mean I do suck at DOOM so

[dense plinth]

lol, to me Russian Overkill is the definition of "I found ITYTD too hard"

so it just makes everything you have overpowered and makes the player practically unkillable with how much health you can have

[jagged glade]

DAKKA is a lot more balanced than RO though and has some other options to balance it further. I like it because you can stack armor pickups now.

I honestly hate how health and armor bonuses work in regular DOOM

[dense plinth]

I like it tbh, there's a level of balance there

[jagged glade]

Having to tip-toe around all the items in a specific way is really exhausting

[dense plinth]

wdym specific way?

oh wait I get what you mean

how the green and blue armours just set the value to 100% or 200% ignoring the smaller pickups you've found

and the health kits

[jagged glade]

Yup.

DAKKA tweaks it a bit. I think it's still balanced, though.

[dense plinth]

yeah, I don't really pay much attention to the smaller pickups tbh

[jagged glade]

I highly recommend it.

[dense plinth]

I mean I grab them but it's usually a subconscious thing to me

I don't really care if they're contributing or not

[jagged glade]

I'm the opposite, I genuinely can't help but get neurotic about it

Then again, I'm diagnosed autistic so...

[dense plinth]

that'd do it

[jagged glade]

Yeah, that figures. I'm playing the Vaccinated version of Valiant right now since I just can't cope with that shit.

[narrow condor]

Crumpets turns out to be pretty fun.

[dapper flint]

I don't remember the exact source but apparently the shotgun reload is slightly slower. The animations if anything can be a issue but doesn't make the weapons weaker

[narrow condor]

It's like Chord but much better designed (both visually and gameplay-wise) and with Ribbiks's signature puzzle style.

[azure nimbus]

Never heard that comparison, might have to check chord out then

[narrow condor]

You might end up a bit disappointed since it didn't age too well. The maps came out as standalone maps between 1997 and 2000.

I only found out about it in the article Roots of Doom Mapping where it says Chord was influential on future map design because it popularised the tightly choreographed and merciless combat puzzle style.

But I found the maps fun at least, if a bit awkward at times.

[finite crag]

Oldschool doom is always smth beautiful

[finite crag]

I know that it doesn't make them weaker, but they feel like they are weaker

[gusty falcon]

Decided to pull high noon drifter out of my mod bag last night and honestly I feel better for it

It's kinda nice after things like brutal doom or treasure tech to have s mod that's refreshingly simple to play

[ornate vortex]

It's harder than Chord imo. But that's mainly due to Ribbiks limiting the player's movements. The main gimmick of Crumpets overall is constricted gameplay. The maps are smaller and the monster count is less than 100 for most maps.

A lot of the fights are close encounter ones. Masquerade was a map I had a lot of trouble with on casual playthrough mainly for that reason

[narrow condor]

I just finished it today after putting off the last two maps out of laziness. It was actually fairly doable on HMP but I wouldn't attempt it saveless.

It certainly plays tighter than Chord and its other forerunners (at least the ones I've played).

[ornate vortex]

Hurt Me Plenty is fairly similar to UV I think

specifically with Crumpets

[narrow condor]

Ehh, I don't think I'm going to try UV now, at least until I decide to replay it.

[ornate vortex]

Well, good luck if you ever do

I'm currently trying to UV-Max speedrun through all the maps

I'm already kinda stumped on map 4, however the time I am aiming for doesn't seem too bad

Ancalagon got like 2:10, so I decided i'll try and aim for sub 2:30 since i'm always around 15 seconds slower

[narrow condor]

That sounds pretty tough.

Good luck!

[finite crag]

Whats crumpets

[ornate vortex]

Ribbiks wad which has 9 maps, the first one is an intro map tho. I would actually recommend it if you wanna get yourself into Ribbiks territory or harder wads, since it is pretty challenging

[finite crag]

Then i'll play it tomorrow

Ancient Aliens and Speed of Doom aren't challenging so i can't torture myself

[ornate vortex]

I'm currently doing random doom maps via speedrunning

I'm challenging myself to YUM atm, and to get on par with the other records is damn tough

I haven't seen anyone attempt a UV-Fast of any of the maps, so i'm going to snag a couple records for myself

[dapper flint]

Try alien vendetta ( with new midi) on uv plus. That's a solid challenge

[ornate vortex]

Is that solo net?

[dapper flint]

Yeah man

[tardy wind]

I'm waiting😜

[finite crag]

Playing doom 2 and I really like it so far but I don’t think large levels with loads of verticality work super well with how aiming works. Really annoying trying to kill these chaingun guys.

[dapper flint]

If you get a sourceport like gz doom you can enable freelook

[finite crag]

I’m playing on Xbox so 💀

[dapper flint]

That's fair

[dapper flint]

Do you have crosshairs enabled ?

[finite crag]

No I like keeping them off

[azure nimbus]

sometimes autoaim can make it easier to aim: think about how when aiming in 3d, the acceptable region to aim at shrinks when you're at certain angles(like if you're right under a tall wall where the enemy is on top). But in doom, that region is always the same

[finite crag]

Feels weird having them on personally

[azure nimbus]

crosshair is a lifesaver for the icon

[dapper flint]

Have them on for controllers for a few reasons. For your problem they will turn red in unity when a shot is lined up

[finite crag]

I see

Well thanks guess I’ll turn em on

[dapper flint]

No worries

[azure nimbus]

I think that only works if autoaim would kick in. But you can still hit enemies out of autoaim range

[dapper flint]

If he's just playing doom and 2 he should be fine when it comes to scanners at least

[finite crag]

Currently on a doom binge so after I’m done with 2 I’ll play 64

[vast reef]

play final doom

[dapper flint]

64 is a treat

[hollow gulch]

is Doom I still playable on the xbox one for multiplayer?

[azure nimbus]

local only

[jagged glade]

So, what's your favourite Doom frontend launchers? Does everyone still use ZDL?

[forest zodiac]

Doom Explorer

[azure nimbus]

I'm still loyal to ZDL 3-1.1. Works for whatever port you want

[jagged glade]

I've been trying Doomrunner.

[hollow gulch]

ah ok thanks. i still see the leaderboards up, they look to stand the test of time

[wicked loom]

I use DSDA doom if I run wads for the purpose of speedrunning and recording demos, GZdoom if I’m playing a wad or mod for fun.

[red hull]

hey, does anybody know how to get textures to work in classic doom editor? I use eureka doom editor and I'm having trouble with things running properly

[vale gyro]

me trying to make a doom custom weapon with a shitty laptop that can barely run gimp:

hell, can’t even install gimp

[vast reef]

coding it shouldn't require a good laptop at all

custom weapons were being made back in the early 2000s

if you mean drawing the sprites, aseprite should probably suffice

[ornate vortex]

YUM UV-fast is a lot harder than I thought 😳

Map 1 I managed to complete only because I used Brendondle’s strategy to stun the arachnotrons. But i’m utterly stuck on map 2

[vale gyro]

actually never needed decorate for this

but the laptop is so shitty it barely runs

[finite crag]

fuck i forgot

[tardy wind]

it's ok

[finite crag]

im playing it at the moment

[finite crag]

I've played map01. It's pretty fun, and i like the new zombiemen sprites. There are two problems with it. 1: It has a sector which is tagged as a secret but it's not accessible. So getting 100% is impossible. 2:The shotgun is tucked away on the end of the map, so i got a little tired of pistoling every monster, and there's not enough ammo, so i had to kill the hell knight with the chaingun.

[tardy wind]

Thank you, I hope it gets even more interesting.

1. Which sector? I checked - everything is 100% passable.
2. After opening the large doors leading to the base, you can see the chaingun on the floor. In front of the ambush in the Server Room are both magazines for the gun, and a box of bullets

[finite crag]

the sector in the starting area behind the chaingun and green armor cloeset

[tardy wind]

Shotgun is secret for MAP01

[finite crag]

i know

[tardy wind]

Hmmm. Is it so narrow?

[finite crag]

i think it's set as a door and it doesn't open up

[tardy wind]

look: https ://media.discordapp.net/attachments/662375349627256836/1096434265052413973/image.png?width=594&height=676

[finite crag]

no not that

[finite crag]

behind the chaingun & bluearmor closet, there is a sector which is tagged as a secret but it isn't accessible

[tardy wind]

it was fixed: dummy sector wasn't joined with main sector

[finite crag]

oh

[tardy wind]

I tried and got 100% sec

My WAD has many many tricks for Vanilla

[pallid wigeon]

Hello there doomers! I am playing classic doom games on my PC that runs Ubuntu. If you have questions about it how and why, you can ask about it here.

[tired dawn]

who tf are these "ex buddies" in doom rla monster pack?

it's a really op enemies that appeared everywhere

[tired dawn]

no ex buddies

literally unplayable now

[pallid wigeon]

True enough, I could'nt get info on that, ask the editor, sorry.

[finite crag]

What sadistic fuck designed level 23

[ornate vortex]

of doom 2?

that would be sandy petersen

[finite crag]

This one stretch with hell knights and chain gunners is brutal

[pallid wigeon]

For me that was the point where I wanted to be at the secret wolfeinstein level(s).

[ornate vortex]

Wait till you go into the room with all the pain elementals

[finite crag]

Why would you put a hell knight right in the middle of the path 😭😭😭

CMON

[dapper flint]

Because kill it

[finite crag]

Nevermind I figured it out

Was going the wrong way and didn’t realize

[ornate vortex]

Once you start playing the PWADs, you realise how easy Doom II actually is
And I find that weird seeing as like 2 years ago I was struggling with Plutonia

Nowadays i'm torturing myself with wads that have specifically challenging fights in them

[dapper flint]

Progress feels great

[ornate vortex]

It does

Wads like Rush and Crumpets really helped me get into harder wads

because I feel as if next year will be the year I start getting into Ribbiks territory

[finite crag]

doom 2 is dead easy after i played tons of wads

I finished doom 2 last year, i played on the enhanced GOG version

then i watched a youtuber who played doom 2, and i didn't knew how he could look up and down

cus i couldn't

and i looked it up, it turned out he used GZDoom

i downloaded GZDoom, set it how i wanted, and i used that port until February

and i played a lot of wads with GZDoom limit removing compatibility

In february, i discovered that there's a source port called PrBoom+, and i wanted to try it out

So i tried it out, and from there i rarely use GZDoom

[tardy wind]

Cool story!
By the way, I am a supporter of either Vanilla Doom (absolute compatibility with EVERYTHING) or GZDoom (completely hands free, in UDMF mapping format). And in addition to the project that I suggested you for testing, still doing "Doom 3 with the dynamics of Doom 2" and there the focus is to make a good compromise between speed and abstractionism of the classic Doom and adequate realism of Doom 3.

[finite crag]

I think doom 3 is a kind of a modern era

but it's categorized as different from classic and modern doom

so it's a different category

[tardy wind]

Yep

[finite crag]

I watched some video about doom 3, it seems like it's too dark and most of the enemies color palettes are just WHITE

but i'll maybe try it out someday

[dapper flint]

It's a fine game for sure

[tardy wind]

Played it at 20 times with some mods. I love it

[tardy wind]

You may check this video
https:// youtu. be/encTGE9DOBs

[dapper flint]

Oh ya I play with different mods every playthrough. Doing one that is supposed to increase survival horror aspects

[tardy wind]

My project DOOM 31 (like DOOM 3: 1)

[finite crag]

Cool!

my design is tier F compared to these

[ornate vortex]

Yep, i've played through some really hard wads casually

Not long ago I managed to casually beat Swim with the Whales (with saving)

[finite crag]

But i still struggled a bit with doom 1 ep 4 and sigil

[ornate vortex]

Episode 4 is only really tough for the first 2 maps

[finite crag]

I've beaten map01 and map02 without saving, UV-Max, i didn't start MAP03 yet

[finite crag]

yeah

[ornate vortex]

Oh wow, map 2 without saves?!

That's actually impressive, seeing as it's still very hard

[finite crag]

And the first two maps are the second and third worst in ep 4, in my opinion

[finite crag]

It took like 70 attempts or smth

[ornate vortex]

It took me 1300 attempts to get a completed uv max speedrun of Rush Map 11

[finite crag]

oh my

i don't have the patience to try 13 hundred times

max a few hundred

[ornate vortex]

A lot of my speedruns do take a couple hundred attempts

usually around 300 on average

[tardy wind]

Can you show me your Doom stuff?
And you know, my flaw was that I was perfecting every room and my energy wasn't enough for everything else. Now I've changed tactics and this video will just be an example of what everything will look like in the finale. I was also forced to learn optimization methods, because my desires were sometimes crooked because of the shortcomings of GZDoom

[finite crag]

i send you a friend request

[dapper flint]

Frands

[finite crag]

why heart when thumbsup

[dapper flint]

Because frands are forever

[finite crag]

the gnarled king will eat you

oh fuck i didn't want to write this

sunder depression

[ornate vortex]

The Sunder references are getting out of hand

[finite crag]

i played sunder with savescum

but it was a while ago and i played the 2009 release

[ornate vortex]

same here, the only maps I didn't savescum were the first 3 maps

[finite crag]

i don't plan to play the rest of the sunder maps

[finite crag]

i'm very afraid of MAP16 and 19

[ornate vortex]

Map 16 is brutal

[finite crag]

i watched decino's livestream

[ornate vortex]

But map 20, my god were some of those fights hard

[finite crag]

map19 is even harder

[ornate vortex]

I struggled with them both a lot tbh

the first couple fights in map 19 weren't so bad

[finite crag]

but man oh man the sunder maps are absolutely adorably beautiful

i don't know how people make these beautiful maps

if i try to create something beautiful in the builder, it just turns out to be a map which looks like Gene Bird made

[narrow condor]

Insane_Gazebo said he draws random geometric shapes and squiggles, then fills them in with verticality and textures, then puts in the rooms/platforms the actual gameplay takes place in.

From the automap you can kinda tell that the architecture/environment isn't actually that tightly coupled with the level design in most maps.

[finite crag]

yeah, i kinda spotted that

[finite crag]

i started playing crumpets

[ornate vortex]

just remember, it’s ribbiks

but other than that, it’s actually a really fun wad

[narrow condor]

It's actually pretty lenient for Ribbiks.

[tacit remnant]

I’m playing Sigil on Ultra Violonce (I played on HMP last time) and I forgot just how much Romero loves making you fight demons in very claustrophobic halls. I didn’t forget his love for evil traps though

[dapper flint]

You should see it on plus fast

https://youtube.com/shorts/zFXUN-vyBnU?feature=share

[tacit remnant]

That sounds like pain.

[dapper flint]

It was

[tacit remnant]

I finally beat Abbadon’s Void. Having that much of the level going on in plain view of 2 cyberdemons you aren’t equipped to kill is a real dick move. Telefragging the more troublesome one was cathartic though

[azure nimbus]

it's cool to bait the 3rd one into the teleporter on uv+. That level is one of the hardest in the official/semiofficial category

[hexed escarp]

would it be possible to make a real physical sc-55 work with a windows 10 computer?

i probably wouldnt even want to do it, it just sounds cool

[finite crag]

E5M6's last section will be the worst

[tacit remnant]

I know the walls are ribbed for my displeasure in the cyberdemon section

[finite crag]

btw i looked into valiant's 4th episode, i really like that skillsaw picked the color orange for hell and not red

[vast reef]

orange hell > red hell

or at least, red-orange hell

[finite crag]

red looks very good for hell, but orange is better

[vast reef]

agreed

[tacit remnant]

I like when cool colors are used for Hell. Definitely not the default but it feels very distinct. In particular I like the Dante Alighieri style Hell where there’s distinct areas that are very very different from one another but are all their own flavors of inhospitable. Hence why I’m very happy The Ancient Gods went with a marsh full of blues and greens for the Hell level

[finite crag]

yeah, hell isn't just red

[tacit remnant]

The traditional fire and brimstone vision of Hell is solid but overused.

[finite crag]

In my wad, in the hell episode, i'll use the red color but i'll add some new red hell textures that spice things up a bit

and i'll use gothic textures like Scythe 2

[tacit remnant]

At some point I want to do a wad where the different circles of Hell are visited and they each get a completely different aesthetic and biome. A gothic dungeon area, a grey withered forest, a frozen fortress, and so on

And put all of the fire and brimstone in one section

[finite crag]

in scythe 1 there is snow in the last 2 maps, it's very strange that there's snow in hell

[tacit remnant]

In Dante’s Inferno, the lower circles of Hell are very cold, with the lowest circle, Betrayal, being completely frozen over, so there is a precedent

[finite crag]

interesting

[tacit remnant]

Dante’s Inferno also has a bleak forest full of sinners turned into trees, an ocean where sinners are left to repeatedly drown forever, and so on. Dante imagined some very creative punishments for the people in Hell

[finite crag]

many people imagine hell as just fire, despair, melting, red rocks, lava

but other themes fit hell very well

[tacit remnant]

Yup

Dante took the Greek mythology concept of damnation being specifically tailored to the sins of each damned person and ran with it

The only constant among ideas of Hell is punishment so there’s a lot of room for unique interpretations

[dusty totem]

Having to fist fight Annihilators in eviternity smh

Imma noclip to scavenge for ammo instead

[glossy lagoon]

I mean, tbf, there is a decent amount of precedent for that w/in the Bible, so it's not the least accurate depiction possible.

Honestly, though, thinking about it, making a proper WAD based off of Dante's Inferno is a very enigmatic idea to me.

[narrow condor]

Dr Sleep tried something like that. With a lot of artistic liberty.

It didn't turn out very well and it was left unfinished.

[finite crag]

Despite its genericness different flavors of fire and brimstone hell are by far my favorite

Although I’m all on board with more unique hellish locales

I’m a sucker for the harsh red backdrops and occult imagery ngl

[vast reef]

oceans in hell are cool

i think hell forests are probably my favorite "alternate hell"

[narrow condor]

I like the gothic warped and overgrown marble and metal hellscapes.

[tacit remnant]

I think my favorite Hell biome is a dark forest or marsh. It’s not scary exactly but it’s a very good backdrop for a kind of quiet sadness that weighs down on everyone within. It can feel simultaneously empty and suffocating for an oppressive atmosphere. Oceanic environments have a similar appeal
In horror stories I love the idea of a very personal Hell (like the protagonist is tormented by reflections of their sins specifically), but of course that kind of thing isn’t really compatible with Doom.

[vast reef]

unless you have a story behind it

i'm pretty sure there's a wad like that, but i forgot

[tacit remnant]

Yeah that’s true. I think you’d also need to use resource deprivation to get the tone right

[vast reef]

yup

[dusty totem]

Are there any well balanced Project Brutality/Brutal Doom maps?

[vast reef]

idk any past e-day

[jagged glade]

Does anyone know any good custom HUD mods?

[finite crag]

Yeah same

Hell forests with dark red skies hit the spot

Classic Doom had some of that

[vast reef]

this person gets it

[finite crag]

I’m pretty sure in Dante’s inferno there’s trees that are actually people

[vast reef]

though i think i like grayer forests more

[vast reef]

hxrtc

dead marine

[finite crag]

Ok yeah I was right

“Dante describes a tortured forest infested with harpies, where the act of suicide is punished by encasing the offender in a tree, thus denying eternal life and damning the soul to an eternity as a member of the restless living dead, and prey to the harpies.”

Would post a picture but no image perms

[jagged glade]

Thanks looks cool!

[finite crag]

i tried going down map06 again

i don't have the ammo for the barons

died 2 times

[narrow condor]

A map that truly embodies this eternal damnation is The Citadel at the Edge of Eternity. It's a very sadistic map that's not only punishing but clearly conveys its intent: It hates your guts, denies you any joy and wants to wear you down until you give up your Sisyphean effort to beat the map.

[finite crag]

Doom 2 map eh

Can’t wait to get to it

[narrow condor]

It's in the first Community Chest, I believe.

It sticks out like a sore thumb in that it takes about as long to beat as the rest of the mappack combined.

[finite crag]

@narrow condor no please don't make me remember my 11 hours spent on that map

[narrow condor]

Hope you enjoyed the experience.

[finite crag]

i struggled with it for two days

7 hours on the first day

5 hours on the second

[narrow condor]

My first impression was that the fights aren't puzzles you need to solve in order to progress. The fights are glass shards you need to walk over to progress.

I decided not to finish it and watched an entire playthrough instead.

[finite crag]

community chest 1 was one the earliest megawads i played

i think i played it in september or october

and of course, back then i saved a lot on every map

i played that map, and then map30 after it and i never touched community chest 1 again

i don't know how i would success now

[narrow condor]

I interwove all four CCs so that I could balance the bad maps with the good ones. It was a good idea because it helped me avoid magnum opus fatigue.

[finite crag]

i've played community chest 1 and 3

haven't played 2 and 4 yet

i know that 2 has that slimefall level

that mtpain27 likes so much

[narrow condor]

CC4 is very good. CC2 is a mixed bag but better than CC.

Mucus Flow is very similar to The Citadel at the Edge of Eternity in that it's an oppressive map produced by a twisted mind.

[finite crag]

oh so it's called the mucus flow

i didn't know what it's called

[narrow condor]

But at least it's well-designed and not intended to be sadistic as much as... well, oppressive.

[finite crag]

community chest gets better at the 3rd entry

Black Rain was a lovely beast

[narrow condor]

To get a better sense of BPRD's style, I recommend Equinox. It starves you and throws unorthodox combats at you. I see what he's going for but I personally hate it.

Yeah, Black Rain was great.

[finite crag]

i want to try out The Mucus Flow and CATEOE but i'm so lazy it takes me a week to get to it

[narrow condor]

I honestly don't think the effort is worth the experience, especially with the latter. The former is an interesting experience at least but watching a playthrough was enough for me.

[finite crag]

Have you played Going Down?

[narrow condor]

Of course.

[finite crag]

I've tried MAP06 again, but i didn't have the ammo for the 2 barons at the lift door

[narrow condor]

It's one of my favourites. It's hard but in a very playful way.

What was that one called? Bad Reception?

[finite crag]

No that's map07

MAP06 is Painframe

with that small ass room

[narrow condor]

I'm trying to remember the layout.

[finite crag]

It's a tech room + a dance party room

[narrow condor]

Oh, the one with platforms around a "computer".

[finite crag]

A while ago i tried it, i died like 20 times

now i got it on my 2nd try but i didn't have the ammo for the 2 barons at the exit door

[finite crag]

but on MAP22 that central lift is... uhmm... yeah... that

ok i watched the playthrough i try to finish map06 again

finally #screenshots @narrow condor

[ornate vortex]

My favourite ever map has to be Rush Map 12 (of course it is, the only wad I ever mention these days)

The map doesn't necessarily overwhelm you, nevertheless it's very hard, but the combat just flows really well with the map

[finite crag]

i started playing crumpets, it's pretty fun so far

[ornate vortex]

Crumpets is a very fun mapset

Ribbiks is one of my favourite mappers because of his simplicity to make fights very difficult but also make the maps super detailed

[ornate vortex]

The first couple maps of crumpets aren't so bad

Map06 is where I started to struggle

[narrow condor]

I don't think the difficulty slope is too steep, truth be told.

Yeah, it's noticeable at M06.

[ornate vortex]

I struggled with maps 6, 7 and 8

[narrow condor]

I cheated a bit by looking up the secrets for the last map which made it a cakewalk.

[ornate vortex]

but then map 9 was actually a lot more manageable

The final fight is a bit of a scare but if you manage to circle around the pain elementals to the cells, you've basically beat the map

[finite crag]

now im struggling with map07 in going down

[narrow condor]

I really appreciated that there was a stash of cell packs in front of the exit, in case you wasted your BFG on lost souls but still want to get all kills.

[finite crag]

... #screenshots

[jagged glade]

Rush? Never heard. Did that win a Cacoward?

[vast reef]

didn't win a cacoward

[narrow condor]

It's strange, though. You'd think it'd at least get an honourable mention.

[vast reef]

same

i could've sworn it had an honorable mention, but i checked the doomwiki

[narrow condor]

Maybe it was appreciated years after its release.

Perhaps it'll appear in a future "top missed Cacowards" sequel list.

[vast reef]

hopefully

[ornate vortex]

Rush is very well known in the community, but it is very weird it wasn't a runner up for the cacoward

I personally think the maps were really fun to play

And now there's Rush 2

[finite crag]

finally i finished going down map06

map07*

it's so nerveracking

i died a lot

[ornate vortex]

The mastermind is a shocker on map7 for going down

[finite crag]

i got her paralyzed with the revenants so she wasn't a problem for me

[ornate vortex]

true, but then you have to deal with all the revenants

[finite crag]

yeah, i almost died

but i had just enough rockets

[ornate vortex]

I finished all the 6 current maps available for Rush 2 and I haven't been able to UV-Max speedrun Rush map 12 yet

[jagged glade]

Rush by someone named "Archi" in 2014 I assume?

[ornate vortex]

yes

[finite crag]

i finished map08

it was a lot easier than the previous two

i finished map09

a difficulty spike again, and i didn't got the secret, i just killed the amount of enemies i needed to get 100% kills, and i ran to the lift to finish the map. The map is too cramped and it was too crowded to spend 20 more minutes struggling your way to the secret

and now map10 oh no

i think i take a break

[finite crag]

guys i figured out a name to my wad's map15 which will have archviles haunting you

i don't know if it's on some website, i think i combined it with the perfect word

[dapper flint]

Herp attack

[finite crag]

No, it is:

Archytexture

Architexture, but with arch-viles, so, Archytexture

[dapper flint]

Hey!!! That's an epic name bro! Well done

[finite crag]

don't steal it or the gnarled king will eat y-

@dapper flint

[dapper flint]

Never as long as you let me test it

[finite crag]

i didn't even start map03 yet lol

[finite crag]

but i'll let you test it

[dapper flint]

Noice

[finite crag]

you mind if i send you a friend request

[dapper flint]

No problem

[finite crag]

i finished going down map10

it's not that bad

if you manage to escape to the earlier part of the map in the final battle, it becomes easy

[ornate vortex]

Coincident got the first saveless run of Okuplok on ITYTD 😳

https://youtu.be/4PP6iqrgIM8

[narrow condor]

Goodness

[ornate vortex]

What a time to be in the doom community

[narrow condor]

Very impressive. I wonder if he's going to continue his strategy guide series.

[finite crag]

yeah, i watched it

[ornate vortex]

I feel like UV-Max Okuplok is actually coming close

[finite crag]

i actually played okuplok once

and i stopped after the archvile corridors

[ornate vortex]

same here

the map is insanely hard

[finite crag]

i tried so many torture maps

like swim with the whales map02 without saves

uv-max

[dapper flint]

Don't have to go out your way for torture boys just play map 22 plutonia on uv plus

[finite crag]

i didn't play plutonia yet

[ornate vortex]

Possible Mission?

[finite crag]

impossible*

[dapper flint]

Not possible at that point

[ornate vortex]

It's not impossible, I beat that map twice before

[finite crag]

its name is impossible mission but it isn't

[dapper flint]

Only one doom player ever in history has been able to beat map 22 plutonia uv plus fast. I know he's my buddy

[finite crag]

whats uv+

[ornate vortex]

basically solo-net

[finite crag]

oh

[dapper flint]

https://youtu.be/2Jy_oUOZsSY

[finite crag]

multiplayer enemies

[ornate vortex]

The only map I have planned for solo-net is swim with the whales map 1

[finite crag]

but how you can enable multiplayer enemies

[ornate vortex]

I think you type in the coop command

[dapper flint]

Just

[finite crag]

you launch the game and you write -solonet

[ornate vortex]

I use a GUI so I wouldn't know

[finite crag]

?

[dapper flint]

If you're using zdl it's solo-net

[ornate vortex]

I thought it was -coop

[finite crag]

i'm using zdl

[ornate vortex]

I checked, and it literally is just "-solo-net"

[dapper flint]

That's it

[finite crag]

i thought it's -solonet not -solo-net

[dapper flint]

Hahahahaha

[finite crag]

because it looks strange with two "-"s

i don't know what's this symbol called

my native language is not english

[ornate vortex]

Me who has to tick a "solo-net" box on the GUI because i'm a macintosh user

It has a couple names I think

Dash is the one I know it as

[finite crag]

i looked it up

[ornate vortex]

It can also be known as a hyphen

[finite crag]

it has an other name

yeah hyphen

dash sounds really like the dash in PB or Doom Eternal

[ornate vortex]

Me who's still recovering from YUM speedruns

Some of those maps actually broke me

[finite crag]

whats YUM

[ornate vortex]

It's a short wad that just consists of one fight per map

[finite crag]

one fight can have 2000 enemies

[ornate vortex]

Oh, well most maps have a kill count of under 20

[finite crag]

then why did it broke you

[ornate vortex]

Small kill counts can be misleading

[finite crag]

20 archviles

20 cyberdemons

20 spiderdemons

with no ammo

[ornate vortex]

Was speedrunning through map 8, there's 15 monsters, 6 of which are revenants, 2 are arch viles, 1 is a cyberdemon and the rest are barons

I managed to beat the fight, but then you had to do a bit of platforming to finish off the level

[finite crag]

i try it out now

[ornate vortex]

And so I failed the platforming, 6 times

if you fall off, it's instant death

[finite crag]

oh no i have to use DSDA fuck

[finite crag]

i don't like DSDA because it's the same as PrBoom+ but it doesn't have the high quality resize option

and things in the distance look pixelated

[ornate vortex]

Idk if that's just software rendering or whether that's normal

For me i can see things pretty well from a distance

and I use OpenGL

[finite crag]

me too

@ornate vortex #screenshots

i put the wad in the launcher

but it works with prboom

[ornate vortex]

You need MBF21

[finite crag]

i know

but dsda doom doesn't launch the wad

[azure nimbus]

there are two different parameters: -solo-net and -coop_spawns (yes with the hyphen on one and underscore on the other). solonet maintains the changes made for multiplayer: you can't pick up multiple weapons of the same type and weapons do not despawn after picked up and the doomguy face has a greenbackground as though you were player1. coopspawns simply spawns things with the multiplayer only flag

[tepid tulip]

https://youtu.be/4PP6iqrgIM8

I might wanna watch this whole thing but still impressive to do this saveless even if it's on ITYTD

[dapper flint]

Coins an ass but good for him. Great run

[tepid tulip]

Eh, there's some stuff I find funny that he has for videos and I did get inspired to play Plutonia with Corruption Cards bc I liked that series he had

I usually like watching Decino more

[dapper flint]

Oh I've had a ton of fun with corruption cards !

Gets wild with the just friends deck

[tepid tulip]

I've never done Plutonia bc I gotten filtered by Map02, but getting past that part I did find it fun even if it has its ghoulish traps

I really enjoy Aztec and the Dead Simple replacement (I might have really liked that Archvile teleport game before the end section) but I have yet to beat Map08

I've been, stuck there for a bit

[finite crag]

I’ve heard Evilution and Plutonia suck

[cold haven]

Hi

[dapper flint]

They're sick?

Poor things

[tacit remnant]

Plutonia kinda set the template for hard classic Doom. Plutonia itself is moderate difficulty but it demonstrates what the Doom 2 cast are capable of when placed intelligently with malicious intent

Also part of why Plutonia is considered moderate difficulty instead of fairly high difficulty is that its levels are pretty short

[finite crag]

Oh i played tnt map22 habitat

It sucks but it isn't long

TNT suffers from very long levels

Like Mill (which i don't like), or Central Processing (reused name + my favourite in tnt) or Administration Center (weird map with the most overused tracks in doom)

[tepid tulip]

What? Both are good

And Plutonia really push off people who want to make difficult maps

[tepid tulip]

Yeah nowadays we have much more harder stuff than Plutonia

[spice radish]

Evilution has a lot of levels with bad design. Plutonia is just hard and has far better map design

It uses monsters much MUCH better

[finite crag]

I see

Are the master levels for doom 2 on consoles?

Oh nevermind

[tepid tulip]

I find Plutonia better in some parts like the maps

[finite crag]

Yes but why

[tepid tulip]

I like TNT Evilution for its own soundtrack

[finite crag]

Was curious because I didn’t see them in addons. Checked level select and found them there.

[tepid tulip]

But after watching Civvies videos on it, he is kinda right with how TNT can fall apart at times

I don't like Metal Works

[spice radish]

Not a fan of the Master Levels

[finite crag]

Yeah they got pretty average reception

Idrc though the more content the better

Master levels
😭

[narrow condor]

There are literal thousands of mappacks on /idgames better than the master levels, so I wouldn't really worry about the scarcity of content.

[finite crag]

Don’t have that many options on consoles unfortunately

Just a lot of the big name mods like Sigil, Plutonia, and Evilution

[narrow condor]

Wait, they put the master levels on the consoles too?

[azure nimbus]

yes

[finite crag]

Yeah. When starting a new game you can either pick the main campaign or the master levels.

[dense plinth]

Master Levels came out with the Doomsday disk right?

[narrow condor]

That's just cruel.

In my opinion, they should just add more addons instead.

[finite crag]

The master levels that bad?

[narrow condor]

It's a mixed bag, some of them are okay for their time but others are lazily put together and outright untested.

[azure nimbus]

It's an impossible position for them imo: It's official content so they kinda have to include it in some capacity. But selling it separately would be embarrassing. But including it in the base game can turn away potential fans of custom content

[narrow condor]

Mm, fair point. Although I always worry that putting it in a very accessible place as if it's just a regular expansion of Doom 2 sours players from trying more maps.

[azure nimbus]

yeah exactly

[narrow condor]

Does a corpse get crushed if it's on a lift that's going down and its point of origin is between the lift and the platform? Or does it simply stay on the platform? I think it's the latter with Boom but not sure how the vanilla engine handles non-player actors on platform edges.

[tacit remnant]

Don’t bother with the Master Levels. Even on console you have dozens of better map sets thanks to addons

TNT, Plutonia, No Rest For The Living, No End In Sight, Deathless, and Sigil are all pretty good

And that’s not by any means exhaustive

[finite crag]

TNT suffers from long levels. Plutonia levels are fairly short

[finite crag]

Some of them are really good (example: MAP19: Black Tower) but others are so bad that TNT laughs at them (Chris Kile levels)

[ornate vortex]

D5DA3 notifications be like

[storm tapir]

Civvie didn't even reach the maps full of dark cave tunnels to pad levels

He is going to absolutely destroy TNT on habitat and barons den

Or maybe TNT will have destroyed him by then

Actually after replaying TNT I'll give Habitat a pass just because you can skip the entire map and not suffer compared to the maps around it

[finite crag]

TNT destroyed Civvie

[finite crag]

Yeah, but who go for 100%, they fucked up

at least Habitat isn't long

unlike Baron's Den

[storm tapir]

Tbh 100% in TNT is like begging to suffer

Especially blind

Don't some secrets need vile jumps lol

[void hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/duuum-aprov-doom-approve-okay-meme-gif-16687031

[azure nimbus]

map15 has two monsters that never wake up unless you push a caco above them so you can do the rocket infinite height trick

[storm tapir]

Yeah good luck finding stuff like that without help/cheats/editors

[finite crag]

Yellow key

[ornate vortex]

2 more maps to UV-Max for YUM until I can upload the runs

Maps 3 and 4 are the only ones I haven't done yet to this date

[gusty falcon]

https://youtu.be/6IplGVoRFHQ

Finally decided to sub to David and damn there's a rabbit hole i learned about

Like him being they author of bd lite and vulkan inc

He also gets alot of new mappers in the door, beautiful

[young sleet]

Have you seen this interview with American McGee?! He chats about id Software, DOOM, Qauke, and of course Alice games! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADpXfOlS_HE

[narrow condor]

Oh, Patreon links aren't allowed here either, huh.

Anyway, you can google 'American McGee end of the adventure' to find his last post on Alice, published about ten days ago.

tl;dr: EA doesn't want to make another Alice game but doesn't want to sell the IP rights to American either so he's completely abandoning the Alice series.

[finite crag]

McGee's maps destroyed me on fast monsters

[ornate vortex]

One more map to go for YUM

Just finished map 4

[ornate vortex]

I've also decided that i'm gonna eventually UV-Max Heartland, whether it's via speedrunning or via commentary idk

I've downloaded the eternity engine and set it up to my preference

Do i speedrun it, or do I do a casual playthrough and then commentate over it like i have done with Rush 2?

[narrow condor]

I prefer the latter myself but both are fun to watch.

[formal monolith]

Alice: Asylum is under development right?

[vast reef]

man

[clever drift]

I thought they shut it down?

[formal monolith]

Ah yeah seems so, was just this week announced

That's really sad to hear

If only Bethesda could get the rights from EA

[dapper flint]

Need to try it with psx ce

[finite crag]

E3M6 has no right having this many cacodemons and lost souls

[ornate vortex]

I feel like Rush map 3 should've been called "oops all revenants" instead of "frozen tech"

There's 172 revenants on ultra violence

It makes up like 50% of the monster count

[ornate vortex]

I've also come to the conclusion that i'm going to do commentary videos of Heartland
Speedrunning it might come as a big task for me, since the wad is fairly tough and the last few levels on casual playthrough take 30 minutes to beat. Plus I did a quick statistics sample in order to see what the majority of people wanted, and about 80% of people preferred commentary videos

Maybe someday i'll speedrun heartland in the future

[finite crag]

E3M6 has rights being the best map in Ultimate doom

[dense plinth]

na E4M2 is

[empty comet]

Hello, I have been looking at the Valiant megawad for Doom II for a while. It has been my goal ever since I started playing Doom roughly 1 year ago but every time I try it on Hurt me Plenty I ragequit. So, I was looking for a few people to join/help me get through this. I was thinking of having a session every weekend or so. If your are interested please ping/dm me. Looking forward to some co-op!

[tulip estuary]

Do you get no rest for the living if you buy doom 2 on ps4?

[finite crag]

E4M1 and E4M2 are the second and third worst maps in ep4

[dense plinth]

I wasn't being serious when I said it

[finite crag]

In my opinion - Episode 4 best map: E4M7, 2nd best map: E4M8, hardest map: E4M6, worst map(s): E4M1 & E4M6 (that's how bad episode 4 is, it has two worst maps)

[dense plinth]

I know, episode 4 is the worst of Doom 1

it's just not much fun to play

[finite crag]

E4M7 is good, but it's the only good map in ep 4 in my opinion

e4m3 and e4m8 are average, and the rest is just ridiculously bad

[dapper flint]

Seriously? Always had a good time with thy flesh

Probably nostalgia though

[cyan oyster]

My favorite would be episode 2

I wasn’t a really big fan of episode 4, especially E4M2

[marsh sand]

I wish there was a doom wad were you could run the internet inside doom, it's for a joke.

[tulip estuary]

Doom inside doom inside doom x♾️

[marsh sand]

i mean yeah but that wont run AO3

[tulip estuary]

What

Wtf is AO3

[finite crag]

Age Of Empires 3 i think

no not that

i somehow imagined an E after O

[marsh sand]

noooo

archive of our own

it's the web test now i guess

so we have doom, bad apple and now ao3

basically you read fanfiction on it

[finite crag]

Thy Flesh Consumed is cool because it’s ridiculously evil on UV

Like it’s so malicious it’s not fun to play, but I can respect it too

Also playing through Doom 1 really makes me miss the super shotgun

And the pain elementals were a lesser evil somehow

[pallid wigeon]

If you like to experimenting with the SSG in doom 1 you should check out any version of the Playstation Doom (Mods, or something else). It includes Ultimate Doom & Doom 2 either, with the same weapons.

[finite crag]

I’ll do that once I get my PC shipped up

Stuck on consoles atm

[dapper flint]

One of us

[remote wolf]

i got a question is it possible to get zdoom on switch

[tacit remnant]

No. Just the official Unity port. It’s a decent port though.

[remote wolf]

god fucking damn it

they should make a zdoom play in browser thing man

[tacit remnant]

ZDoom isn’t made or owned by Id or its parent companies, so that’s not happening

The Unity port is more faithful to the original DOS version anyway. Not as faithful as Chocolate Doom but still

[vale gyro]

even then

ZDoom would not really run well on a browser in my opinion

[peak bison]

I like doom

[tacit remnant]

Same

[vale gyro]

same bro

[glossy lagoon]

Why is it so annoying to download Sigil?

[finite crag]

https://tenor.com/view/uncut-gems-disagree-i-disagree-adam-sandler-eye-glasses-gif-17788346

[glossy lagoon]

There are several different WADS of varying forms within the files of the game, and yet GZDoom chooses to recognsie none of them!

[halcyon willow]

what?

sigil plays fine on gzdoom

[tacit remnant]

Do you have it linked to Doom 1?

[halcyon willow]

there are files in sigil that are specific comaptibilty patches for playing on vanilla ports

[tacit remnant]

You need the appropriate IWAD to run a PWAD like Sigil

[glossy lagoon]

IWAD?

[halcyon willow]

yeah gotta run it on doom 1

[glossy lagoon]

So, just the regular DOOM1?

Not built off of Ultimate DOOM?

[halcyon willow]

iwad is the core game asserts. doom1, doom2, plutonia, tnt are all iwads

custom content is a pwad

[dapper flint]

Unless you have default texture filtering on...

[halcyon willow]

that runs over the top of the iwad

[halcyon willow]

vaseline mode

[dapper flint]

How that hasn't been removed ill never know

[glossy lagoon]

I'm looking at the instructions provided by Sigil's download, and I think I see the issue; I don't seem to have the SIGIL_SHREADS folder.

OH

JUST REALISED WHAT IT MEANT

[ornate vortex]

just completed YUM.wad except the secret maps

another wad ticked off my to do list

My personal comments for it are that if anyone wants to get good at movement and projectile dodging, as well as planning strategies for fights, i'd highly recommend YUM

or if you wanna get better at movement/platforming, then try NoMo

[finite crag]

Romero must’ve been possessed by the devil when designing E4M2

Seriously what the fuck

[tacit remnant]

Lol. Apparently he made it in something like 6 hours

[finite crag]

I know he placed those barons with malicious intent

[tacit remnant]

Have you played Sigil yet?

[finite crag]

That part in the level where you find the blue key is like the worst thing ever

[finite crag]

I will after finishing Thy Flesh Consumed on UV

[vale gyro]

I hate E4

[finite crag]

Is sigil good?

[vale gyro]

this is the millionth time I’ve said this

E4 is a piece of shit

[tacit remnant]

Sigil is good but it’s fairly sadistic

[finite crag]

I like E4 for the most part but M2 is the worst

[vale gyro]

Sigil, is actually easier and looks better in my opinion (havent finished it though)

[tacit remnant]

Sigil is visually amazing

[vale gyro]

still

I hope E4 burns in hell

I’ll never like that Episode

[tacit remnant]

But Sigil also has a cyberdemon maze with narrow corridors and ribbed walls

[vale gyro]

even if you gave me 50% of Elon’s worth

hell, give me a country and I’ll still not like it

[finite crag]

I’m saving so I can’t imagine completing TFC with only pistol starts

[tacit remnant]

I recommend playing Sigil on HMP

[finite crag]

Yeah I will

I always play on HMP first

[tacit remnant]

I’m playing it on UV now and it’s suffering

[finite crag]

Gives me a feeling of the map and let’s me have some fun

On my first run through E4 I did bump the difficulty down from HMP because it was kicking my ass

But I didn’t even know sprinting was a thing until E4M2

[tacit remnant]

Lol

[finite crag]

I’m very smart

[tacit remnant]

Sigil on UV has more cyberdemons than all 4 official episodes combined. Not kidding

[finite crag]

Oh

[tacit remnant]

ESM5, Abbadon’s Void, has 2 cyberdemons with a clear view of much of the level and you’re not really expected to fight them

[vale gyro]

sorry Molly

idfk what happened there lmao

I literally scrolled

[tacit remnant]

ESM6, Unspeakable Persecution, has the aforementioned cyberdemon maze where if you bump into the wall while dodging you probably won’t be able to dodge the next rocket

[vale gyro]

Discord on iPadOS has always been wack

[tacit remnant]

IDK what you’re talking about tbh

[vale gyro]

Discord decided to randomly start a call with ya

the IOS version is completely fine for the most part

the iPadOS version is a pain in the ass to deal with

[tacit remnant]

Oh I don’t think it connected anyway

Anyway John Romero likes cyberdemons almost as much as he likes not giving the player much room to maneuver

[vale gyro]

agreed

[finite crag]

How do I go fast enough to get the E4M3 skip

[vale gyro]

I’m guessing SR50

I have limited knowledge of E4 in general

so, that’s really all I got

[finite crag]

Ok I finished E4 on UV

Honestly after the first 2 levels it really wasn’t that difficult

Liked a lot of the maps

Funny how the spider mastermind gets 2 underwhelming boss fights though

This was better than the episode 3 boss at least

[tacit remnant]

Doom 2 demotes her to a normal enemy for a reason

[misty loom]

i am about to do the cyberden level in the plutonia experiment

but the thing is, i'm going to be fighting all 4 cyberdemons at once because im deranged enough to do that

wait wheres the fourth cyberdemon