classic-doom

[placid vortex]

Cool

[dapper flint]

You can use freedom though lol

[finite crag]

Freedoom right? It’s basically the same right

[dapper flint]

It has changes In aesthetic and monsters weapons

[placid vortex]

Yeah same on Xbox but like

I don’t want those I want to play stupid shit that isn’t like doom

[dapper flint]

The steam unity version only has wads that are limit removing. No actual mod support

[placid vortex]

So freedoom works with gzdoom

I’m just gonna buy it I have 12 dollars

[azure nimbus]

that's I think that was lxdoom.

[placid vortex]

I’m so sad I don get it

I’ll buy doom 2 if that’s all I need

Where can I find people to help me

[dapper flint]

Here

Get the game first

[placid vortex]

Okay

Doom 2

Does it matter?

[dapper flint]

Doom 2 will be just fine. That's the majority of wads anyways

[placid vortex]

K

[finite crag]

Sigil, Syringe, Back to Saturn X, all those add-ons are just the custom wads people aready released for free just built in for ease. Wdym “stupid shit that isn’t like doom”. Those add ons are what wads are

[dapper flint]

He wants to play brutal doom im sure

[placid vortex]

Nah

Just random stuff idk

Ok I bought it

I really just want to play with a mouse because I’ve only played a little bit with controller

What does a bethesda.net account do other than give you stuff in eternal 💀

What do I do now

[fickle patrol]

bro fr

i rember playing all of doom1 on my xbox360

hell

[fickle patrol]

he wants to play BLOOD or heretic, but confused with doom

[placid vortex]

I think I did something wrong

I want to play doom exp

I’m jumping

How do I turn on mouse look

Oh it’s on

Ok I think I did it

[dapper flint]

Just reminded me I need to finish dusk

[placid vortex]

Yay

Where can I download mods

So I know they’re not viruses

[fickle patrol]

good luck

[placid vortex]

Wait how do I use this

Oh I had to extract

Hopefully this can run on my pc

[azure nimbus]

doomworld and idgamesarchive.

[placid vortex]

This mod is fun

[azure nimbus]

usually what people do is post their stuff to doomworld's forums as a release candidate. When some people give feedback and bugs are patched out, the final version is released on idgamesarchive

[placid vortex]

What do I do when I die

No screen showed up

[azure nimbus]

Go to a previous save or press the use key to restart the level pistol start.

[placid vortex]

Oh

It wasn’t pistol start but I think I’m ok with that lol

Thx

[azure nimbus]

every level is designed to be beaten pistol start and most mod makers assume that you'll play pistol start so it should be doable

[placid vortex]

Doomblade is so cool

[placid vortex]

Probably a setting that I haven’t looked at

Woah display options

Should I use Vulcan because it seems like it has more options

Is there cons

[azure nimbus]

you can use whatever you want. But Vulcan looks rather close to vanilla but runs well and doesn't have yshearing when using freelook. I prefer texture filtering off, decals and rocket trails off.

though I mostly play on dsda where you just put the resoultion to what you like, and play on indexed lighting opengl renderer and everything looks good

[placid vortex]

The game stopped and it was just like the action logger

Said I picked up xp and health and stuff

Audio was still playing

Happened again

It says fatal error

Kinda unfortunate

[azure nimbus]

what wad and engine?

[placid vortex]

Doom 2 gzdoom doom exp

What’s the engine

[azure nimbus]

From the download page: ":!: Important :!:
GZDoom 4.6.1 will cause your game to crash to console when requesting the store, initiating slow motion or picking up a time freeze.
Due to the developers choice of getting rid of calling console commands from outside the menu.
It is recommended to use GZDoom 4.6 which you can grab from here."

gz is the engine. It's kinda another word for the port...kinda

[placid vortex]

I still don’t know the store button anyway

But yeah it said something about slow no

This mod is really fun

And I’ll play sunset because that one person said to

Psionic

[azure nimbus]

I haven't heard of a sunset wad. maybe they meant sunlust

[tacit remnant]

If you’re even remotely new to Doom, don’t play Sunlust. That’s like getting your yellow belt and immediately going to a karate international tournament

[finite crag]

This is 1000x harder than Plutonia Experiment

[tacit remnant]

The Sunlust penultimate map is literally named “Fuck You” and it more than earns the title.

[vast reef]

yes

[finite crag]

I love the music of e2m4 deimos lab it's so mysterious

[placid vortex]

Yah

Oh okay

[narrow condor]

You wouldn't want to spoil your first experience with Sunlust by diving straight into it without playing others first.

[placid vortex]

👍

Doom exp is really fun

I have to download a different version of gzdoom because it keeps crashing

[narrow condor]

It may be a graphics driver problem. Try the OpenGL backend for the HW renderer instead of Vulkan.

[placid vortex]

okay

[placid vortex]

this is what i was going off of because the error said something about slowmo

[narrow condor]

Oh yeah, that announcement seems important.

[placid vortex]

oh youre definitely right though

i'm on 4.1

What is openGL ES

And what would be affected by using a different IWAD, instead of using Hell on Earth

[narrow condor]

What do you mean?

[placid vortex]

When i open gzdoom it asks what iwad I want to use, it has doom 2: hell on earth (DOOM2) and then it has tnt and plutonia, and there's doom 2 unity

[narrow condor]

Well, what do you want to play?

[placid vortex]

oh is that what that does

I can't shoot

I can do everything else but I can't shoot

Mouse works in menus

I know it's because of my settings but I don't know what

I reset to default and it works but it doesn't look good. Hardware accelerated is really bad looking compares to doom software renderer

[azure nimbus]

don't use unity's. Always use doom2.wad unless told otherwise. Using tnt or plutonia won't actually break anything though. The only difference between the wads is that plut has some extra jungle textures and tnt has some special tnt textures, If you use doom.wad instead, the dehacked might load but you won't be able to play the right levels. Unless of course the set is designed for doom.wad in which case that's your only choice.

If you want to try freedoom for funzies. Those can be used as iwads and are just texture/sprite/sound swaps of doom.wad and doom2.wad respectively

[placid vortex]

Not at my pc anymore, but it was definitely bugging because I reset to default settings and Doomblade wasn’t working

Supposed to be able to press Q and you use the blade

There’s a debug option it says to press if that happens so I’ll try that when I get back

[ornate vortex]

That's over-exaggerating but at the same time it's not

Sunlust on UV was extremely tough, there were even some mid-game levels that stumped me

[vast reef]

haven't tried sunlust on UV yet because i'm scared

[torn pivot]

Doom: E3M1: Hell Keep (UV-Fast ,100%) (Crispy Doom)
https://youtu.be/PPhPeiY3W7o

[ornate vortex]

I feel like ribbiks has other wads which play similar to sunlust in terms of difficulty. Crumpets i'd say is similar combat wise but just a lot smaller in monster count and also quite short

and then there's stardate 20x6 which plays similar to late game sunlust

Once i've done Crumpets, i'm hoping to do stardate 20x6 but it does seem like a huge jump

[narrow condor]

What about playing on HNTR first?

[tacit remnant]

Sunlust map 2 stumped me on HNTR. I’m very much not ready for the mid levels

[dapper flint]

Baby steps

[placid vortex]

hello

[hexed escarp]

Is it possible to run proper doom on a ti-84 plus?

[azure nimbus]

might depend how strict you are about proper. Even the psx can't run doom exactly the way it is on pc

[vast reef]

definitely not "proper doom" as in gameplay behaves just like vanilla

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-YFP6PNvzs
i don't even think you have a vertical axis

[hexed escarp]

That just looks like wolf3d

[vast reef]

yeah

wolf3d TC lmao

[hexed escarp]

Yeah thats fair. I think the way I define proper is it at least has to have height difference and all of the weapons and enemies

[vast reef]

i understand the charm of playing on a TI-84 plus but it has its limits

[hexed escarp]

But I'd be fine with graphics simplifications

[vast reef]

if you wanna play on a calculator, i think newer graphing calculators out there can definitely handle proper doom

[hexed escarp]

I mostly just want to put it on a school calculator bc I feel like that would be funne

[azure nimbus]

program it to simplify radicals for you

[finite crag]

I boot up something with BD or PB, i play it for max. 30 minutes, then i quit and play vanilla doom

[finite crag]

Boom is the best

[placid vortex]

TI-84 plus CE

I used to be into calculators for some reason

[narrow condor]

I had Doom on my HP 50g and it was also a Wolf3D TC in practice.

[finite crag]

Don't know why, but there's something in tnt MAP02 & MAP15 music because i love that track,too

[pale plaza]

if anyone tried Doom Unloved -from what I see on yt looks kind of neat

[placid vortex]

Can I rename mod files

So I actually know what’s what and put them in one folder

[dapper flint]

Just name a folder?

[placid vortex]

But this name does not really suggest what mod it is

If I get multiple mods and their names don’t make sense I won’t know what I’m opening

[azure nimbus]

as long as you don't rename doom2.wad, should be fine

[placid vortex]

Sounds good

[placid vortex]

How do I access the shop in doom exp

And glory killing lol

I’ve watched a review and they didn’t say anything about controls

Ok shop was unbound for some reason

I bound that but idk the control for gks

I think I need to choose a different mod because this keeps breaking

Be pretty fun if it worked all the time

I’ll try brutal doom

Figured out glory kills

[placid vortex]

It crashed when I open the store

Now it crashed on a glory kill

[forest zodiac]

I think I'll be able to deduce the problem here

give me a minute

ah, found it

you're playing Brutal Doom

[placid vortex]

I am not

I’m playing doom exp because I saw a youtube short about it (lol) and it keeps crashing and stuff was unbound before I messed with settings

It crashes on slowmo I think

I can turn that off that’s fine

The problem is I can’t access the store. It says “attempt to execute CCMD ‘pukename storeinfo’ outside of menu code”

[forest zodiac]

what version of GZDoom are you using

[placid vortex]

4.1.0

[forest zodiac]

do you mean 4.10 or are you literally still using 4.1 somehow

[placid vortex]

Oh yeah

4.10.0

I forgot that mattered

[dapper flint]

Scott

[vast reef]

DON'T rename your mod files if you intend to play multiplayer, ever

i did that and i regretted everything

[placid vortex]

Like the individual mods?

Not gzdoom

[vast reef]

individual mods

just remember what ur mods r called lmao

[tacit remnant]

The Unity ports don’t have online play at all right? Not counting remote play on Steam or Parsec or whatever other 3rd party software anyway

[finite crag]

local multiplayer only

[tacit remnant]

That’s what I thought

Just wanted to check

[dense plinth]

smoothdoom plays like regular doom just with more frames

[vast reef]

yeah

that's what cosmetic mods do

[dense plinth]

and you can get it so that it only smooths the animations for the weapons if you don't like the new enemy animations

[placid vortex]

I want to put a bunch of random visual mods together, like lighting and shadows

Probably look like shit

How do you do multiple mods at once actually

Do you just highlight more files and drag them to gzdoom

[dense plinth]

ZDL

[vast reef]

use a launcher like ZDL, doomrunner, etc.

[dense plinth]

yeah

[placid vortex]

Oh

[dense plinth]

I just use ZDL even when I'm not using mods

[placid vortex]

Sounds good

There’s so many brutal doom versions

I was on moddb I think

Idek what brutal doom does

[dense plinth]

ZDL's pretty simple to set up, you just select the source port exe in the settings and the iwads to tell it what game to launch, then add any additionall wads for custom mods/maps and whatnot and launch

[dense plinth]

fundamentally changes the game

adds a couple new weapons and changes how most of the existing weapons act

also adds reloading but you can turn that off

[placid vortex]

What’s the source port exe

[dense plinth]

GZDoom

[placid vortex]

Oh

[dense plinth]

ye

[placid vortex]

Makes sense

[dense plinth]

ZDL can control multiple source ports with ease, for if you have others like chocolate doom

[placid vortex]

high-res texture pack, complex doom, beautiful doom, doomhd sprites

I just looked up doom visual mods

Doing anything with modding is significantly harder for me because I not only don’t have any experience with modding or classic doom, but with computers in general

The most computer experience I have is school chromebooks

[dense plinth]

it's really easy once you get used to it, especially with ZDL

[placid vortex]

What would happen if I combined all those mods

Wouldn’t work

Different sprites so idk how that works

[dense plinth]

some mods would be incompatible

usually if they are mods that do the same thing cause they'd clash

[placid vortex]

What is sound caulking

[dense plinth]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[narrow condor]

What's the logic behind the cyberdemon's roar? When does it happen other than the times he wakes up?

[tacit remnant]

My guess would be when he goes into his pain state

[lyric umbra]

guh

i tried to play no rest for the living but it was too hard for me

i’m not that good

[narrow condor]

No no, I don't mean that short and pained roar. It's the long one that plays at full volume no matter where you are in the map.

[tacit remnant]

Oh IDK about that one

[narrow condor]

It seems to trigger at random, especially when it's crushing small fry monsters during infighting.

[finite crag]

I don't know, i tried GZDoom yesterday, i don't really like it

It messes with the game so much, it takes the vanilla experience away from me

And it's not optimized well

I use PRBoom+ and DSDA-doom (or ZDoom

[narrow condor]

I find that it's not too different from other source ports that don't try to be vanilla if you configure it accordingly.

The only mechanic that stands out to me in terms of deviating from vanilla experience is the collision detection (switches and hitboxes).

[finite crag]

It’s hard yeah, have you beat Doom 1 and 2 yet? What difficulty

[azure nimbus]

monsters usually(not on very large maps if their audio is depeioritized so as to not overwhelm the player) play their wakeup after the thing they were targeting has died.. I think it has to do with falling asleep after beating the target then instantly waking up because it's in a sound tagged sector

[narrow condor]

Aha, so it's only noticeable for the boss monsters because of the audio priority.

[ornate vortex]

Hilarious april fools joke incoming

[coarse cradle]

let me see it

[narrow condor]

I think myhouse.pk3 should've been released today.

[ornate vortex]

I “beat” rush map 12

i’ll show you when it’s finished uploading

[coarse cradle]

i get it now

it would be less obvious if you didnt add the ""

[still torrent]

hello,guys

[vast reef]

ok DOOM

[still torrent]

how are you?

and you passed doom 1993 (full nose?)

[vast reef]

yes

all of the nose

[tepid tulip]

https://youtu.be/zdM93azRUr4

Nirvana is definitely THE map on Nightmare fr

[ornate vortex]

https://youtu.be/e_Xz2luhAEI

Insane World Record

[tepid tulip]

Congrats my guy

[ornate vortex]

Little did you know, it was joker's joke

The actual world record is like 22 minutes 😭

[vast reef]

insane

literally unreal

maybe even quake

[ornate vortex]

Indeed, impossible!?

[tepid tulip]

he really nuked that duke

[vast reef]

as serious as sam

[azure nimbus]

it's noticeable for everyone. have a rev target an imp. when the ink dies, the rev will scream

[split jewel]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/KR5IECWEouw

Holy shit finally, PRO TNT

[finite crag]

Not gonna lie. I only use keyboard most of the time. Sometimes I use mouse, but it can be bit troublesome. Is that weird?

[vast reef]

nah

you're probs gonna struggle on harder wads though

keyboard only can be really fun honestly

[lyric umbra]

i beat doom 2 on uv

[dense plinth]

NO WAY PRO TNT

of course he'd drop that on april 1st

[formal monolith]

I actually quite like Plutonia Experiment, even though many seem to not

[dapper flint]

Alot of people love it

That's the majority

[formal monolith]

I've seen more recent disparaging views towards it

[ornate vortex]

I think nowadays people like it less due to the amount of pwads that are out there

Same here, a lot of them were towards hunted

but maybe that's because gimmicky maps are an acquired taste

or gameplay wise it didn't have much to offer (since it was just killing arch viles with an ssg)

but people can't really deny that plutonia was a very big step for doom

[formal monolith]

I think that can be lost in the sea of more modern wads

[finite crag]

I prefer TNT over Plutonia, because of the atmosphere. TNT had a much better atmosphere, and more realistic levels than plutonia

[dapper flint]

April fools^

[dapper flint]

I don't think access to pwads diminishes the quality of the best official map set for most. I've never heard anyone say they dislike plutonia other than beginners having difficulty with it

[vast reef]

aside from difficulty, i've seen people complain about some plutonia levels being ugly

[ornate vortex]

And the factory isn't?

[dapper flint]

I mean that's true haha

[ornate vortex]

or even habitat?

[azure nimbus]

Habitat could've just been a nothing level, but there being a dozen randomly tagged secret sectors and those rando imps make it worse

[ornate vortex]

I'm debating whether I actually have a chance at beating Ancalagon's record on Rush map 12

[dapper flint]

Only one way to find out

[ornate vortex]

Attempts

This is gonna be a rough map

[dapper flint]

Maybe you'll be as good as me some day. I have 2 first place speedrun records in Mighty Doom

[ornate vortex]

Speaking of records, I someday need to improve my tangerine nightmare runs

[dapper flint]

Ohh man! Loved tangerine !

[ornate vortex]

Maps 3 and 4 I have the uv-max record for and I feel like I can vastly improve on them

I feel like the trick with most maps is that if you're having trouble with timing, then just rush the fights

There were maps where i didn't have laser focus on specific fights and ended up improving my time by seconds

[placid vortex]

If I were touninstall doom 2 what would happen with gzdoom

[true mortar]

Wiidoom is better

[placid vortex]

If I reinstalled it would it work

[dapper flint]

You just need the wad file ive been using the same wad files for years without my physical copy of doom

[placid vortex]

So if I uninstalled it from my pc and steam i could reinstall it and it would be fine

[finite crag]

Nothing, it just won't find the iwad

[placid vortex]

Where can I get zdl

[vast reef]

doomwiki

https://zdoom.org/wiki/ZDL

[placid vortex]

Qbasicers?

3.2.2.2

[placid vortex]

K I got brutal doom and it's working

[dapper flint]

Didn't you say you didn't want to play brutal doom when I said you want to play brutal doom

[placid vortex]

I wasn’t planning on it

But I tried it and it works

It’s not why I was talking about nodding, the only mod I was trying to get working was doom exp

[tepid tulip]

https://www.youtube.com/live/as3X5VIiG1c?feature=share

[dapper flint]

Decino more like smellcino am I right

[placid vortex]

Doom is hard

[dapper flint]

Doom makes me hard *

[ornate vortex]

true fact

[zenith berry]

Before uninstalling DOOM II you can make a copy of the IWAD somewhere else.

[finite crag]

Is it weird I find doom movement a little easier with 35 fps cap in crispy doom

[finite crag]

E4m1 wasn’t really that bad on my third playthrough
E4m2 is fuggin EXHAUSTING tho

[prime lava]

no because interpolation

[ornate vortex]

I'd say 35 fps is ideal in most situations, mainly because doom's "tics" work similarly to frames per second, and there are 35 tics per second

Well, that's what I think at least

I'm not the best when it comes to doom's code or deep mechanics

[azure nimbus]

At 35 Hz,each visual frame corresponds exactly to what is happening in game. At multiples of 35 Hz, the time of your inputs compared to either how much of an effect those inputs have or when they take effect is a constant.
So I prefer playing at 35 Hz as well

[prime lava]

Yeah I play 35 fps too

Only time I don't is if I'm playing coop which is when I use a non vanilla port. Since those actually run at higher FPS it doesn't feel weird

[ornate vortex]

I don't think i've somehow realised how hard Rush map 12 actually is

[meager lantern]

Bro I just got DOOM 1 Yesterday And Bruh I already beat the game

[finite crag]

all of the 4 episodes or just the first 3?

[meager lantern]

im joking i never beat the game

wait theres 4 Episodes?

[finite crag]

if you buy the ultimate doom there are 4 episodes, in the 1993 release there are 3, and john romero in the mid 2000s released a fifth episode for it as a wad not an iwad

@meager lantern

[narrow condor]

Ultimate Doom is its own iwad.

[formal monolith]

Not a fan of Thy Flesh Consumed

[ancient marsh]

Can anyone give me some mod recomendations?

[narrow condor]

Do you have any preference in particular?

[grizzled swan]

Do you do saves before levels and reload when you die? (1) or do you always pistol start? (2)

[azure nimbus]

I'll use saves within a level to practice, but always start pistol start, then play it through deathless pistol start

[narrow condor]

As in do I play with saves at all?

[formal monolith]

Alien Vendetta is amazing if you're looking for a vanilla experience

Ashes 2063 is great if you're looking for a whole new game within Doom

[ancient marsh]

ok thanks i will try both

[ancient marsh]

nah

[narrow condor]

Nostalgia, Doom 404

[ancient marsh]

ok thanks

[grizzled swan]

Yeah

[narrow condor]

I always play with saves unless it's a short map that I'm confident I can finish without many attempts.

[spice radish]

If you decide to play Thy Flesh Consumed (The 4th episode) good fucking luck beating Hell Beneath and Perfect Hatred without wanting to drop the episode

[finite crag]

E4M2 made me hate cacodemons

[meager lantern]

ok

[grizzled swan]

Do you save during the level or just at the start?

[spice radish]

You know about the secret teleporter with the BFG?

[finite crag]

I grabbed it through the wall in the megaarmor room

[spice radish]

Thats… interesting way to get it.

[finite crag]

Decino did that, too

[spice radish]

Naturally of course he did

[finite crag]

The bfg is in a corner, and that corner is very very close to the green torch wall in the megaarmor room

E4M1 and E4M2 took me 1 week

E4M3 through E4M9 took me 2 days xd

[spice radish]

Everything after E4M2 is significantly easier

I think it was E4M6 that was the only level to give me trouble after E4M2

[finite crag]

I save after every map, but i don't save in maps, and i pistol start each level

[spice radish]

and E4M8 is a joke if you saved up on plasma cells

[narrow condor]

There's no point saving at the beginning of the level since I always pistol start.

[finite crag]

I got halfway through E4M6, and then typed "idclev 47"

[narrow condor]

I just try not to save in the middle of a fight unless I'm frustrated.

[spice radish]

I saved scummed through it. I’ve beaten episode 4 on UV but could never do it with no saving

[finite crag]

I really hate myself so i don't save in maps, even if it has very frustrating fights

[finite crag]

I don't save in maps so if i die in that frickin 20%damaging super hellslime i have to start over again

[spice radish]

Good ol boomer shooter cruelty rules

[finite crag]

UV-Max (items not included)

[narrow condor]

I don't think I could bother to UV-max maps if I couldn't save.

I may be a bit too impatient.

[finite crag]

I realized that i am an amateur player. Then i decided to improve my skills, so from that point i play saveless, pistol start, compatibility on Boom strict, and UV 100% Kills + Secrets

And soon i will start Speed Of Doom

I really hate myself

Guys, what's your opinion on doom 2 MAP27?

[finite crag]

I'm impatient, too

[austere iris]

Hey doom slayers

[finite crag]

Hey

Why everybody offline

[narrow condor]

I'm content with being an amateur player. UV-maxing Speed of Doom with saves was fun enough for me and I don't feel like exerting effort to redo it without saves for no reason other than leet cred.

[finite crag]

After speed of doom i will play skillsaw wads (first Ancient Aliens then Valiant then i will search what other wads skillsaw made) then Ribbiks wads (Stardate 20X6, SWTW, Sunlust)

Then probably plutonia 2

[narrow condor]

Ancient Aliens and Valiant are certainly doable but you're going to have a hard-time with Ribbiks's maps on UV even with saves.

[finite crag]

I know

I heard about them

[narrow condor]

I suggest playing on HMP first and then seeing whether you feel like replaying on UV.

[finite crag]

I played sunlust on HMP 6 months ago

Got to map04

xd

[narrow condor]

I finished it on HMP but I'm not interested in trying it on UV.

It doesn't look like it'd be fun for me.

[finite crag]

But now i'm more experienced because i played hard wads with my rules

So i think i will make it on Uv max

[narrow condor]

In that case, good luck!

What you need the most is just patience to try over and over again.

[finite crag]

Beating Sunlust on UV-Max, no saves, pistol start is my final goal yet

[finite crag]

If i have inspiration, i will try over again as much as i need to

[narrow condor]

👍

[finite crag]

I think i will record all of the Ribbiks wads and maps i play after that i make a video where i put in my deaths from every map

And upload it to my channel

@narrow condor

Btw, what source port are you playing on?

[narrow condor]

GZDoom

[finite crag]

I play on PRBoom+

Or if its sunlust map28 and 30 then DSDA-DOOM

I won't use gzdoom (never)

Okay. From tuesday afternoon, i will start playing Speed Of Doom (some scythe 2, too), then skillsaw wads, then Ribbiks wads. Wish me luck 🙂
@narrow condor

[narrow condor]

Good luck!

[finite crag]

I go to sleep, it's 10PM here

Good night.

[fluid lion]

Anybody wanna play classic doom?

Through odamex, cooperative or deathmatch

[azure nimbus]

one of the best maps.

[formal monolith]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcxuWFDlZH0

[fringe dew]

https://youtube.com/shorts/eY29S9Phiwc?feature=share

[ornate vortex]

Good luck, Ribbiks wads usually get very tough towards the ends, so don't let the first maps of some wads fool you

I'm playing through Crumpets and the first 4 maps aren't actually so bad

but then it gets a lot harder

Anyways, attempt 25 and I got like halfway through rush map 12 before dying

I think beating Ancalagon's record is not going to be possible, so i'm pretty much just gonna aim for a sub 25 run

[narrow condor]

I had the exact same impression too.

[ornate vortex]

Speedrunning map 2 for Crumpets in under 2 minutes took less than 150 attempts

Usually whenever I speedrun, on average, it takes like 300 attempts for me to get a good time

And then there were oddballs like rush map 11 (which took me 1.3k attempts)

[lyric umbra]

whats a good doom 2 wad that isnt extremely unfair

[tacit remnant]

Plutonia, BTSX, Sigil, No Rest For The Living

There’s 4

[lyric umbra]

ok

[fringe dew]

scythe, machete

[dapper flint]

Sigil is doom 93 but I think it's avaliable for the doom 2 unity port

[azure nimbus]

all the addons are for both. They changed it some time last year

[narrow condor]

I'd say most Doom wads could be called fair.

Though not always well-balanced.

[ornate vortex]

Sunlust is pretty fair even if it's hard as shit

to question whether a wad is fair is very different as to question whether it is hard

A lot of slaughter maps, yes they seem unfair, but they give you sufficient weapons and ammo to use, and really it's up to the player whether it's fair or not

[azure nimbus]

More than anything, I think it's important that wads are upfront about what they are

If Valiant map30 was replaced with sunlust map30, it wouldn't be fair.

[ornate vortex]

couldn't agree more, the two wads are in different leagues all-together

[lyric umbra]

what i meant by unfair is extremely difficult for a non veteran

im not that good

[azure nimbus]

Skillsaw stuff on HMP might be a good start

[tacit remnant]

I stand by Sigil and No Rest For The Living. Maybe play Sigil on HMP first time though.

[fickle patrol]

any mod that changes ONLY the chaingun model?

idk i dont like chaingun look

🤓

[finite crag]

Revolution isn’t hard
Syringe is hard but awesome

[odd granite]

Is there enemy weaknesses in Classic like there is in Eternal? I know definitely not as much, but I heard that the chaingun weakness with Hell Knights, Dread Knights, and the Baron in Eternal, came from the classics with the chaingun (specifically for the Demon and Baron).

I've beaten the Ultimate DOOM and played DOOM II but I'd like someone with more knowledge on the classics to answer this question.

[tacit remnant]

Not really

[finite crag]

Sigil is only good on HMP
On UV there’s not enough ammo for all the enemies
“Make them in fight” bish I don’t know how, give me bullets

I literally had to run past the final bosses and crowd of bullshit to the exit coz no ammo

[tacit remnant]

There is a system where every individual hit has a chance to stun and each enemy has a specific percentage of how likely they are to be stunned. Damage per hit doesn’t matter. The shotgun pellets each count as a separate hit

[finite crag]

Chainsaw pinkies
Chain gun marines and imps
Rocket or super shotgun caco and revenant

[tacit remnant]

Cacodemons, zombies, and pinkies have high pain chances (they are likely to be stunned by a hit) while barons, hell knights, and cybdermons have much lower pain chance. Archevile has lowest pain chance at something like 2%

The chaingun and chainsaw can stunlock enemies with high pain chance and shotguns are more likely to stun enemies with low pain chance

Oh also cyberdemons and masterminds don’t take splash damage at all

[odd granite]

Ahhh so it's more so a stun system based in enemies instead of weapon weaknesses. It makes sense, because in Eternal the brawler enemies I mentioned get stunlocked to the chaingun due to it's constant DPS output, though re-reading your answer you mentioned damage per hit doesn't matter

But yeah that makes a lot more sense, thanks for the answer.

[dapper flint]

Syringe on fast is insane good time

[azure nimbus]

Two monsters have *resistances. *Cybers and spiderdemons(the big ones) have an explosive resistance. Explosives are from your rockets, cyber rockets, barrels, and archvile zaps. That's it(well ig when the icon of sin dies there are explosions). Other than that, the other attributes that monsters have like pain chance, aggressiveness, health, spacing, determine how you approach them. Like @finite crag said, some weapons are more effective on certain monsters because of the stats, but it's not like those weapons literally deal more damage to them like ballista to pains in DE

I suppose you could also talk about how monsters do not take direct projectile damage from monsters of the same species(this includes barons and hell knights) as well. Hitscan does not discriminate this way. It damages everything

[tacit remnant]

As for the infighting thing, just get the enemies to accidentally hit each other and there’s a good chance they’ll infight. Under the hood it’s a bit more complicated but that’s all you need to know to abuse it. That and that projectiles can’t hurt the enemy type that threw them and barons and knights are considered the same for that check

Side note: punching pinkies and occasionally zombies is a great way to save ammo. Just have to get a feel for how to do it safely

[fickle patrol]

you know chainsaw quite still effects against caco and revenant

[dense plinth]

Sigil, No Rest for the Living and Plutonia are all well made wads

[azure nimbus]

basically the only relevant thing that complicates infighting(there is a super rare thing with barrels that I've seen maybe once in playing for 3 years) is that once an enemy acquires a target by damage, it will have that target locked for 100 of its own steps. After those 100 steps are done, it is liable to switch targets by taking damage. If a monster's target dies, it will focus on you again(granted that you've made a sound its current area). Monsters that switch targets from damage will instantly re-aim their current attack to the new target. Viles do not have the 100 step threshold.

On MBF, monsters start with a threshold on you but not in vanilla, boom, or mbf21 or gzdoom.

Hitscan will autoaim to the nearest shootable vertically but the monster still aims horizontally. That means that a caco laterally between you and a zombie but far above, can still get shot by the zombie aiming for you. Projectile enemies will aim correctly though.

So if a cyber just finished killing a monster but is continuing to fire its 2nd and 3rd rocket, you can ssg him during that animation and not have him aggro you via damage(thereby locking the100 step threshold). He'll target you by sound but not damage. This means that he'll still target other enemies when he takes damage from them. But, if a vile is finishing his attack(lengthy followthrough) on a zombie and you hit him during the attack, he will instantly aim at you and target you instead, possibly dealing damage depending on how early the attack was

[fickle patrol]

wha?

[atomic dust]

honestly, NRFTL and Plutonia are better-designed than base Doom II imo

not saying base Doom II is bad, but these expansions are more fun

[finite crag]

Everyone says that
Consensus of Doomers is D2 isn’t that good and it’s contribution is the eternity of mods and wads that came after it

[azure nimbus]

Doom2 is good and appropriate for the newest players in a way that plutonia cannot be

[formal monolith]

For me the only bad part is some Sandy Petersen maps

[atomic dust]

Downtown and Citadel are the most confusing Doom II levels

[formal monolith]

The Chasm

[atomic dust]

I remember running in circles in Citadel for many minutes before deciding to watch a guide

I don't find the Factory to be that bad

Inmost Dens and Suburbs are awesome levels

[formal monolith]

Looking at the credits for maps, I think Tom Hall kept Sandy is check often

[atomic dust]

Hall left id before Petersen joined though

apparently, Refueling Base was originally a Doom 1 map Hall designed

[broken heron]

I still don't know the intended way to beat Citadel. I always use the secret area with the teleporters.

[azure nimbus]

it's oftentimes the other way. There are lots of Tom Hall layout levels that Sandy populated like e3m5(the teleport one) and e2m7

[atomic dust]

in regards to Doom II, I consider the spaceport levels as the first episode, the city levels as the second episode and the hell levels as the third and final episode

I don't see why people rip on Nirvana so much. I find it to be a fun level

[azure nimbus]

episode 1 is considered 1 through 11, then 12 through 20 is e2 and e3 the rest

They have unique skyboxes and textscreens on the transitions

[formal monolith]

All I know is Romero maps are

[atomic dust]

the way you find the exit in Spirit World is dickish. it's apparently behind one of the fake fleshy walls

there's no way first-time players would figure that out by themselves

[azure nimbus]

it's not a fake wall. It's a shootable

[atomic dust]

I thought it was behind those fleshy walls

[azure nimbus]

If you shoot one of the walls in that area, the flesh wall opens up.

[atomic dust]

whoops

[azure nimbus]

There is another shootable wall in that area that lowers a nonsecret RL

[atomic dust]

do Spectres have their own sprites?

[formal monolith]

That's good question, I don't know how the rendering works

There is also the big brother

[atomic dust]

I know him

Nightmare Spectre

[formal monolith]

Yeah

[finite crag]

Factory, industrial zone, gauntlet, barrels of shit

I hate

[finite crag]

Spirit World my favorite hell level ever 💖

[atomic dust]

I'd say the spaceport levels of Doom II are the best-designed parts of the game

everything after that is mixed in quality

[azure nimbus]

No it's a translucency flag, not a separate sprite

[atomic dust]

interesting

[formal monolith]

That's what I thought, but wasn't sure

[atomic dust]

could it be applied to any other enemy in the game and they have the same effect?

[azure nimbus]

yes

[formal monolith]

What enemies would it be useful, difficult to pick out

[azure nimbus]

Lost souls since they're small, often airborne, and have no wakeup sound

And they are their own projectile so it's not like you'd see their missile

[formal monolith]

Ah true, imagine invisible pain elementals that make invis lost souls

[azure nimbus]

Valiant has invisible revs and viles in its secret levels. It's not too bad tbh. But they are used sparingly. I'm playing The Evil Within right now and its invisible enemies are only as powerful as basic zombies but they require different tactics. They are genuinely invisible

[atomic dust]

Invisible Arch-Viles

that just screams evil map maker design

[finite crag]

Invisible Revenants?
Why 😭

[craggy bone]

I think the invisible Arch-Viles have a 100% pain chance so they're really not that bad

[finite crag]

Who made that decision, Dario or Milo

For the invisible Revenants

[craggy bone]

The Casalis didn't have anything to do with Valiant

[finite crag]

No but that and the archvile that's just evil

[finite crag]

Shocking

[finite crag]

Episode 3 is actually really fuckin hard wtf

I can't get past mission 2

[dense plinth]

well E3M2 is arguably the worst level of Inferno

[finite crag]

Well that's a good sign lol

[dense plinth]

that downside about Doom 1 is that all the best levels are in Knee Deep in the Dead

and each chapter after it is progressively less fun than the previous

Inferno may be annoying but it isn't the outright unfairness of Thy Flesh Consumed

Doom II is kinda similar in that regard as well, all the good levels are toward the start of the game and it drops off toward the end

[calm stump]

Currently stuck in inferno. I feel like doom 2 is insanely more harder than doom 1 though but maybe I just haven’t played it in a few months to remember right

[tacit remnant]

I honestly consider Episode 2 better than 1. Knee Deep in the Dead is solid but all the levels kind of blur together for me

[finite crag]

Yeah idk why people go nuts over Knee Deep. It’s so “first level” to me, basic, easy and quick. I think it’s coz the fandom made Romero into their god but I don’t even understand why they did that.

Since my first play through, Shores has been a favorite of mine, it’s where the game picks up the pace, the blue tech base levels are great and beautiful and the upside down cross that starts the episode is iconic. First Cyberdemon too. Deimos my beloved

[vast reef]

not meow, but if i save during the level, i save before opening doors :P

most of the time i save at the start and just keep trying unless there's a part that really frustrates me

[ornate vortex]

Comatose had all monsters in the spectre variant except the arch viles

[spice radish]

I’ve started another run of Sigil after a few years. Gonna play through it normally once on Hurt Me Plenty and another on Ultra-Violence. Then do it again on UV except without saving

[finite crag]

Arch villes are the most annoying and dangerous monsters.

[coarse cradle]

in every game they're in

[finite crag]

I save everytime I get a secret or progress through the level (UV)

[rotund dew]

I am still on Babylon's Chimera on Sunder. On the second to last fight with the huge pit

It's a behemoth of a level, although I start to find the fights a bit tedious

One I hated was the one in which IG drops a huge ton of revenants, then mixes in some 15 archviles behind them.

And the cybies teleport in way too late in that fight IMO

In that fight I truly was savescum and saved every time I dropped down an archvile or two.

Didn't have the patience to do it from scratch every time I died

[ornate vortex]

Sunder has quite a reputation for being grindy slaughter (especially the old sunder)

But the new Sunder maps are really difficult, like harder than Sunlust imo

I remember I had a lot of trouble with Maps 16, 19, 20 and 32

[narrow condor]

I have mixed feelings about Sunder, maybe because of how incongruent the gameplay is. The very first maps feel tight and fair, but the following maps quickly devolve into mindless tedium. Later maps are less tedious but cruel and punishing instead.

[ornate vortex]

The Hag's Finger is one of my least favourite maps in Sunder mainly because of how grindy the fights get (i'm talking about the one that spawns like 200 hell knights)

But the idea of The Hag's Finger in terms of map design is something I generally like

It was a cool concept that was kinda ruined by grindy mindless rocket/bfg spam

[narrow condor]

My thoughts exactly.

[rotund dew]

I like the factory in old sunder

The hell knight part gets a bit boring, but other than that it's the kind of slaughtermap I like, tons of diverse stuff to kill and space to move around.

But the best slaughtermap I played was going down map28

It has tons of monsters but it doesn't feel unfair, you have plenty of ammo and items to go around.

Also sunlust has some good fights

[finite crag]

Started Revolution today
I’m interested coz it’s the oldest wad in the add ons on Steam

[finite crag]

The most atmospheric map in commercial doom

[glossy lagoon]

Just beat Perfect Hatred on Ultraviolence, starting with 1% health.

[azure nimbus]

geez. That's one of the maps where pistol starting is easier

[glossy lagoon]

Genuinely?

[finite crag]

that's why i play on pistol start

continous play makes the maps easier or harder depending on what state you're finished the last map

And

i replayed doom 2 map30

because from now on i play without mouselook

i practiced playing without mouselook and how auto aim works

and the fckin icon of sin spawned an arch-vile 2 times in a row

but playing without mouselook and with auto-aim is good

with mouselook i had no autoaim

because you know, PrBoom+

[glossy lagoon]

Oh, sorry, thought you were referring to starting using the pistol.

[narrow condor]

Pistol start refers to a fresh start with 100% health, 0% armour, no powerups and no weapons other than the pistol and the fists, plus 50 bullets.

Some maps take continuous play into account and do things like forcing you to exit with 5% health, forcing you to choose between keeping your weapons or restarting with full health. (Or better yet, allow a secret exit that lets you finish the map with full health or with a megasphere etc if you can beat a secret fight).

Sunder, for example, gives you a berserk right before the exit so you can't use it to punch anything but you can start the next level at 100% health if you were below 100% by the time you reached the exit.

And some wads outright force a pistol start by making you telefrag a voodoo doll on a death exit floor.

The most creative form of forced death exit I've seen was one that requires you to propel yourself into a low ceiling exit by killing yourself with a rocket against the opposite wall (because your corpse has a lower height).

[vast reef]

damn that sounds interesting

do you remember the wad? wanna try it out ngl

[narrow condor]

It's in the super secret level of Doom in Spain Only, I believe. It's a huge pain to get there and I strongly recommend looking up the secrets of DoomWiki to find the exits to the secret levels.

[vast reef]

thank you

[narrow condor]

No problem. It's a fun wad but it's got a weird gimmick: It pretends to be a bootleg Doom clone that takes place in Spain, developed by a shovelware gamedev company in China.

[vast reef]

that sounds hilarious lmao

i saw decino's uploads of it, but i haven't watched any decino gameplay in a looong while

[narrow condor]

It's got some esoteric secrets that are apparently references to old shovelware wads. The references were lost on me because I never played Maximum Doom.

[vast reef]

ooh

[narrow condor]

Kinda like Benjogami's Down the Drain, whose gimmick is that it's an amateurish wad from '90s ||except it's haunted so the maps get more and more sinister as you progress||.

[narrow condor]

decino was super frustrated with the secret exits. I played before him and my strategy was just looking them up on DoomWiki after five minutes of effort.

[vast reef]

that sounds like what i would do tbh

aside from being a professional wallhumper, i have trouble finding secrets

[narrow condor]

I developed a bit of an intuition for spotting secrets (it helps that mapmakers often have "signature" styles of secrets) but it only works 60% of the time.

[vast reef]

i only ever find secrets accidentally :P

[narrow condor]

Haha

[formal monolith]

SIGIL is so good

[finite crag]

I look for them in the automap. I set the automap to always show the secrets even when i didn't enter the sector yet.

[azure nimbus]

scythe2 map25 does this and it can be used to speedrun plutonia. I think lvl17 but I'm not sure. one of the maps can be skipped almost entirely by doing this trick

[finite crag]

Scythe 2... i'm at map12, but i heard that map23 is the map where it starts to get brutal

[azure nimbus]

it's not that bad. It plays like an old school slaughter map where you are gaining ground throughout the full level. Keep on the lookout for secrets and cheese. the ending is scarier than it is hard

[finite crag]

i started several wads 3 or 4 weeks ago with continous play, and not long ago i started to play from a pistol start, so the wads i started in a single segment will stay in single segment, but i would rather play them from a pistol start too. And Scythe 2 is one of these wads

[ornate vortex]

The start of map 23 is probs the hardest part of the map

If you've beaten Speed of Doom, then Scythe II isn't much harder

[finite crag]

i'm at map12 in scythe 2, i will start speed of doom tomorrow

[azure nimbus]

scythe2 is I think somewhat easier

[rotund dew]

yes, because hell beneath has something like 8 health bonuses and a piece of green armor.

and 5 barons if you want to uv-max

[rotund dew]

maelstrom in sunlust is a prime example

[narrow condor]

Haha, that's exactly what I was thinking of.

[rotund dew]

not that one, it ends with a death exit but you just fall into a pit

[narrow condor]

Oh yeah, that one had the fake exit door that just had a face in it.

[finite crag]

i will have a very good time UV-Maxing it with pistol start, no saves

👍

i love to torture myself

[azure nimbus]

Also, Fractured Worlds map06 into map07 does it in a unique way

[zenith berry]

I just realied that Ty Halderman (rip) is older than John Romero.

[finite crag]

If you count the years from his death and add it to the age he died he's older then, or if you take the age he died and compare it to johns?

[azure nimbus]

He was born before Romero

[finite crag]

sorry

that was a dumb question

he's older in every way

[zenith berry]

Yes, this is what I was referring to.

Still, I am sure he had lived a great long life.

[finite crag]

does TeamTNT still exist? If yes, who is the leader now?

[rotund dew]

already doing that in babylons chimera

a crapton of revenants and pinkies in that pit arena

no cells

fun

[finite crag]

then facerocket time

[zenith berry]

TeamTNT went off when Ty passed away in 2015, however it has been mostly inactive since 2008.

[finite crag]

oh, i didn't know that

i thought they have a new leader

[finite crag]

do you have rockets, or at least shells?

[zenith berry]

I wish Ty lived another year to see DOOM 2016. I’m sure he would have loved it ❤️

[finite crag]

we have to put a paper in his mouth with this wrote on it: "IDDQD" that would resurrect him

what if he would see doom eternal

[rotund dew]

rocketed them all to death. now I'm on the last fight, but I'm going to save that for tomorrow 😅

revenants are pretty tricky when it comes to dodging their stuff. sometimes the U-turns end out wrong, and that's if I won't end up in the path of a stray rocket

[finite crag]

Revenants became a basic enemy in most of the newer wads, and the problem is i really, really hate them.

[remote hare]

Script error, "woc_v3.2.2.pk3:doommons.txt" line 119:
Invalid parameter 'a_viletarget24' Why it is so difficult for gzdoom to launch?... any idea?..

[finite crag]

viletarget... Something is wrong with the archvile's target

[narrow condor]

A mod you're using "woc_v3.2.2.pk3" doesn't seem to be compatible with either your GZDoom version or your other mods.

I suggest updating GZDoom as well as the mod.

[vernal thunder]

today was the first time ive seen the spider mastermind kill the cyberdemon in GOTCHA! in doom 2

[rotund dew]

Revenants, chaingunners and viles. The triple threat of most hard wads

[tacit remnant]

Don’t forget the cyberdemon squads

[narrow condor]

Revenants aren't too bad, they're just rather tricky to deal with.

This helped me out quite a bit, especially with dodging constant streams of fireballs and kiting revenants at melee range: https://youtube.com/watch?v=a2DJHSErSdA

[fickle patrol]

how make good maps in obsidian map generator?

[vast reef]

you just kinda gamble tbh

wdym by "good"?

[spice radish]

Whats better for map making? GZDoom Doom Format or GZDoom UDMF Format?

What are the main differences between the two?

[hexed escarp]

The difference is mostly in how the map is stored in a file

If you are fine with your map only being compatible with gzdoom, then definitely use gzdoom udmf format

It has more capabilities

You use doom format if you want your wad to be compatible with other ports but if you are using gzdoom features anyways definitely go for udmf

[spice radish]

Ah got it tysm!

[spice radish]

Does the script type matter? I'm using UDMF format and the script type is set to default as ZDoom ACS

[finite crag]

I downloaded Speed Of Doom, from now on the torture marathon begins

[narrow condor]

Speed of Doom isn't so bad, although the secret maps are much harder than the rest.

[wraith spade]

i found my old chinese handheld console. it runs gba,nes,snes games. I decided to run doom in it and it runs fine at around 20 to 30 fps.

doom gba

[finite crag]

i got to map03 in speed of doom, and i swear map02 is easier than map01

[vale gyro]

idgames with forced darkmode actually looks fucking sick

[vast reef]

i didn't really like it, but i guess it'd look interesting if you made it look like doomworld

light mode idgames solos

[vale gyro]

I personally do not like light mode in most cases

really hurts my eyes

[vast reef]

light mode's more readable for me

discord light mode sucks ass though

[vast reef]

i also personally like the light mode aesthetic

[finite crag]

if there's a website with light mode i force dark mode

[vale gyro]

well, we all got opinions, I suppose

[vast reef]

i only force dark mode on my phone when i'm scrolling with the lights off

[vale gyro]

though, no matter how much I like Edge. It's forced dark mode kinda sucks

[vast reef]

edge is probably the best browser out there if you ignore telemetry and general privacy

oh yeah, ignoring customizability too since vivaldi trumps everything in that department (unless there's a more capable browser out there)

[finite crag]

The most searched term in microsoft Edge is : "DOWNLOAD CHROME" "DOWNLOAD FIREFOX" "DOWNLOAD insert browser name here"

[vale gyro]

lmao

[finite crag]

i've never seen a person in my entire life you would use edge

[vast reef]

even if that's the case, edge beats chrome in terms of memory usage and startup time from experience

edge kind of cheats with startup time though

[finite crag]

but it's much slower than chrome

[vast reef]

since it's always running in the background :P

[vast reef]

not in the least lmao

when was the last time you used edge

[finite crag]

when i reinstalled windows

1 month ago

[vast reef]

ah

i alternate between the two and edge is mostly leaner

[finite crag]

for that 30 seconds

[vast reef]

i don't like edge's additional shit though (like math solver, etc.)

[finite crag]

until i wrote "DOWNLOAD OPERA GX"

[vast reef]

imo you should leave that stuff to extensions

[vast reef]

eugh

opera

[finite crag]

opera gx is not bad

i like it

[vast reef]

opera tries to install itself on suspicious downloads

[finite crag]

the base opera i don't know

[vast reef]

plus aggressively markets itself with sponsorships

no other browser has been as aggressively marketed on youtube as opera GX

i get all the wrong vibes from it

[finite crag]

lol i didn't encounter one of these things

[vast reef]

tbh you probably haven't been a tech-illiterate 11-year-old trying to download pirated software (i'm not 11)

that's where i got all the opera force-installs

[finite crag]

i downloaded many games you have to pay for but i downloaded them through torrent

• i'm not 11

[vast reef]

yep

torrents tend to be way safer, but 11-year-old me couldn't figure them out

[finite crag]

until i was 10 my dad downloaded torrents for me

(it was 6 years ago)

[dense plinth]

so, I only just now learned that dehacked files are a thing, do I need to worry about them if I'm using GZDoom? or is it only for source ports like Chocolate doom and stuff

[finite crag]

it's whatever what are you doing in dehacked files, you can use them in all of the source ports

[vast reef]

^

[dense plinth]

ye, but I mean specifying it with a command line

I read somewhere you don't have to for GZDoom cause it's got support for them already, but chocolate doom you need to use the -deh command

[vast reef]

afaik you have to load them in along with the wad, like how you would with a mod

[finite crag]

yeah, you have to put them in the wad

[vast reef]

i don't think i've used dehacked with GZD yet

[finite crag]

i bothered with dehacked in my wad

but i tested it on boom

and gzdoom supports everything so it works with it

[dense plinth]

cause installing Plutonia 2, they have this in the install guide
"Most of the advanced source ports (such as current PrBoom, ZDoom, or JDoom)
support internal DEHACKED lumps (and MAPINFO lumps), so you don't require
any steps before running the game. Just load the PL2.WAD normally in the
command line, drag an drop it onto the executable, or use your usual
PWAD-loading procedure."

[vast reef]

ahh

just load the WAD as it says

[dense plinth]

aight

[finite crag]

you don't need anything to do, the dehacked and mapinfo is already in the wad

[dense plinth]

what do dehacked files do anyway?

change enemy behaviour or something?

[finite crag]

and weapon behaviours

and item behaviours

[dense plinth]

ahh

[finite crag]

so THING behaviours

[dense plinth]

so rebalancing basically

rather than using the default values

[finite crag]

you change the behaviour by writing different numbers

[dense plinth]

yee

[finite crag]

i don't really understand how you can make a spiderdemon do an archvile blast, i just did bother with the pistol's fire rate

[hexed escarp]

You can change what functions get run by which entities at which times

[finite crag]

how?

[ornate vortex]

Im going away for a whole week soon, so probs gonna spend today to get as many runs done as possible.

Im thinking maybe doing Lunatic, maybe even try a D2ALL for it

since I doubt i’ll get rush map 12 finished

Any other runs I could get done?

[vast reef]

what maps do you think you could pull off within today?

since idk what you're familiar with

personally i'd go with something that i've already been trying for a while, unless it's something massive that i'm super stuck on

[ornate vortex]

that’s rush map 12 in my case, been doing it for a week and havent even completed the map

[vast reef]

i see

tbh, you can't really go wrong with picking a run you think would be fun to do

[ornate vortex]

Lunatic is easy but very fun, I reckon I could uv-max all the maps within 24 hrs

I could maybe attempt crumpets map 3, since that’s not awfully hard

If I still have a lot of time then maybe I could try and uv-max Scythe map 26

[vast reef]

get on it!

[ornate vortex]

That’s a plan

[vast reef]

oh wait are you looking for wads to play later today or right now

[ornate vortex]

later today

[vast reef]

ah

[ornate vortex]

I have other stuff I could potentially run on my schedule but it’s either too time consuming (Goetia from Tangerine Nightmare is on my list)

or too hard

[hexed escarp]

Basically there is a giant list of frames that has all of the animation frames for every enemy and object in the game

And for each one you can select from a list of functions

Although if you are doing vanilla format you can only set functions for franes that were already running a function

But if you are doing boom or greater you can set a function for any frame

[finite crag]

thanks

[hexed escarp]

Np

I'd recommend using the whacked4 editor

That way you don't need to just know what all of the options are

[finite crag]

i use that

[hexed escarp]

Cool, you set the functions in the frames window

[finite crag]

In my wad i don't want to change the enemy functions, i will in my second wad, so i will copy paste your description

[hexed escarp]

Cool

[finite crag]

Any young people who play Doom classic?

[vast reef]

i'm 14

my sister's 10 but she plays the game on itytd with cheats so

[finite crag]

Oh nice. And here I am, 20 years old and thinking I'm special lol.

[vast reef]

lots of young people play classic doom actually :}

i have a few friends i play deathmatches with

[finite crag]

Only doom classic

I played doom 2016 and it caused me mental and physical pain

I don't even think jokingly it was actually unbearable for me

[vast reef]

how so lol

[finite crag]

It was so fucking boring

😭

[vast reef]

lmao

[finite crag]

Like you do the same thing

Walk a little
Arena
Walk a little
Arena

At least in classic doom I'm constantly engaged in combat

[vast reef]

haven't played d2016 but tbf i don't have a problem with that if the fights in said arenas vary a lot

[finite crag]

Well for me I just don't like the style of modern doom

Also seems like some almost comedic parts have been removed for edgy

[vast reef]

ngl i love wads that don't give you any time to breathe

[finite crag]

I've had more fun in classic doom overall

Especially when you have weirdass ones like plutonia 7

Map 04 is just

Amazing

I can't describe it well it needs to be played

Well I could describe it

[vast reef]

live laugh plutonia 7

[finite crag]

I love map 04 it's so weird

You're on a spinning conveyor and you have to kill keens to lower shit

Then you like uhhhh
Race demons basically

Amazing

[vast reef]

yes

[finite crag]

I can't even describe it well

I forgot the part where you're spinning around and everything is shooting at you

There's like 4 cyberdemons

And a bunch of other demons

I'm always constantly lost in classic doom lol

[vast reef]

you get used to it

finding your way around, i mean

[finite crag]

Press tab

[vast reef]

lmao

[finite crag]

i'm 16

[dapper flint]

Oh mama

[vernal thunder]

i have descovered something weird

so ya know the way you can load iwads and pwads in gzdoom

and your only suppose to load 1 iwad

i loaded 2 and wow

chex quest breaks when played in ultimate doom

10/10 experience

it was chex wiith doom 1 textures

very funny

[finite crag]

👍

[ornate vortex]

I'm 16, huge sweat at doom

[ancient marsh]

Anyone knows how have a sight on GZDoom or a mod for it?

[ornate vortex]

I have yet to beat any maps and i have been speedrunning for 3 hours now

Still got like another 5 hours

I got close to WR for map 1 of Lunatic, so i'm now planning to grind for world record knowing it's absolutely possible

and I am currently attempting Crumpets Map 3

[narrow condor]

Fairly sure the majority of Doom players that keep up with new wads and such are under the age of 30.

[dapper flint]

A sight?

[formal monolith]

What I really like in Doom Classic is the exploration element, checking all the walls and getting all the pick ups

[finite crag]

i never played doom's that are newer than doom 64

1.My PC can't run it

2.I love classic doom

[formal monolith]

It's pretty timeless

Impressive to see all you kids playing it

[finite crag]

i played doom 1 for the first time last year, on the original gog version

I play Going Down right now, it's really getting on my fcking nerves...

map06... i hate it

i'm struggling with it right now

i died again at the end

[formal monolith]

I'm playing some SIGIL right now, incredible soundtrack

[hexed escarp]

Which one

[finite crag]

FINALLY I BEAT IT

punching hitscanners without any ammo

fun 👍

[dapper flint]

Midi over bucket

[ornate vortex]

I got a 1:40 in Crumpets Map 3, gonna submit that

[formal monolith]

MIDI, only thing that fits classic doom

[hexed escarp]

Yay correct person

I think that in certain cases mp3 music can fit doom

But not in this case

[hexed escarp]

Like Eviternity map30 for example

[finite crag]

1Monster Map12 has a song in a MOD format, and it really fits

[hexed escarp]

What is MOD format

[finite crag]

Module, an other music format idunno what kind

[hexed escarp]

Huh

Is it stored as audio waves like mp3 or notes like midi

[finite crag]

how do i know

[ornate vortex]

I prefer Midi since it suits doom more

but the Bucket soundtrack actually kicks ass on it's own

it's good

[hexed escarp]

Yeah it's good it just didn't fit the levels

Altho it's kinda annoying at parts

Like Romero one mind any weapon is the auditory equivalent of ADHD

[finite crag]

#screenshots @hexed escarp

[ornate vortex]

I can actually agree with that

[hexed escarp]

Huh

[finite crag]

huh

[hexed escarp]

I'd have to look up what that is

[finite crag]

If you want i send it to you because it's a really good song

although it's a fuckin earrape it's good

[hexed escarp]

Ah just looked it up

It's like midi, but it includes it's own samples for the instruments

[finite crag]

ah ok

@hexed escarp you want me to send it to you? it's really good

[hexed escarp]

Sure, can't listen right this minute tho

[finite crag]

@hexed escarp #music put it in slade then you can listen to it

Oh were we talking about midi

I use PC ad-lib emulated sound thing soooo
Maybe I'm weird

[narrow condor]

MOD is Amiga music, although it's most commonly known for its use in trackers.

I suppose many source ports support it now.

It's very easy to implement it after all.

[ashen flicker]

Classic Doom runs surprisingly well on switch but I should have suspected that since it runs in literally anything

[spice radish]

Even the switch isn’t that underpowered it can’t run a 30 year old game

[formal monolith]

It would be funny if it couldn't

[finite crag]

it runs on a pregnancy test so...

[tacit remnant]

The Switch can run 2016 Eternal with some framerate and resolution adjustments

[glossy lagoon]

I have now beaten the entirety of Thy Flesh Consumed via continuous play on Ultraviolence.

In other news, I can confirm that I think it's impossible to do in Snail Mode.

[finite crag]

ultra-nightmare?

[glossy lagoon]

Amended.

[finite crag]

so you mixed uv and nm

great

[ornate vortex]

https://youtu.be/-PGcazKuCsQ

Done

[ashen flicker]

I tried 2016 on switch

But of course it’s on switch and when I got to the final arena for the first level my game started to lag

[dapper flint]

Not fun

[hexed escarp]

The pregnancy test thing was misleading imo

It was not running on a pregnancy test

It was running on a raspberry pi shoved in a pregnancy tester case

[ancient marsh]

I’m Spanish and I use the Google translator it. The translation was sight or scope

[ornate vortex]

Me after submitting my first ever community project map knowing it’s going to get a lot backlash:

[vast reef]

it's like saying doom runs on the gameboy

the gameboy had a raspberry pi shoved inside it

[hexed escarp]

yeah

or saying it runs on an nes

they put a pi in the cartridge and had it feed video data to the nes

[dapper flint]

Ahh understandable

[vast reef]

you mean crosshair?

it's in HUD options

[ancient marsh]

Oh yeah that’s

Thanks

[formal monolith]

https://youtube.com/shorts/B9SAssHFbis?feature=share

[ashen flicker]

Next thing we know is Doom is probably gonna be on something like a car battery

[atomic dust]

I feel like 90% of Ultimate Doom's gameplay is using the shotgun on like everything

[finite crag]

Yes
And it's perfect that way

[dense plinth]

Shotgun on most enemies if they're alone, Chaingun if it's a group of small enemies, pinkies/specters or lost souls, rockets and plasma gun on barons and cacodemons and BFG to room clear pretty much

[finite crag]

Shotgun on everything except barons cyberdemons and spider masterminds

Maybe I just play weirdly idk

I literally never use the plasma rifle cause I wanna save ammo for bfg

Honestly depends on situation

[vast reef]

if you don't have rockets, chainguns/chainsaws work well with cacos

[dense plinth]

oh yeah

[vast reef]

they can get stunlocked fairly easily

[dense plinth]

chainsaw works on most enemies I believe except barons, cyberdemons and spidermasterminds

I died trying to chainsaw a baron and he couldn't seem to get stun locked

course you need to be up close for it to work

[ornate vortex]

I never really chainsaw stuff unless it's Doom II Map 1

If you wanna stun lock enemies, chaingun all the way

or if it's a high tier enemy like an arch vile, then ssg it

since the 20 bullets all roll for pain chance

[narrow condor]

Chainsaw is very useful if

1. You aren't playing with fast monsters,
2. You aren't surrounded by monsters,
3. (optional) You're playing on GZDoom.

I like to attach myself to a bigger monster like a cacodemon with the chainsaw, then move around and use it as a meat shield from incoming projectiles.

[azure nimbus]

think I'd rather not plasma the baron. I get more damage per shot if I use rockets on him instead of imps(rockets severely overkill imps) so I can use plasma on smaller enemies with less overkill and more use out of stun

[dense plinth]

fair, although the plasma gun is generally best for the heavier demons

it may do less damage per shot than the rocket launcher, but you get more ammo for it

[azure nimbus]

It's literally lower dps than rockets

[dense plinth]

and it still does a lot of damage very quickly

going against enemies like the cyberdemon, you'd generally choose the plasma gun over the rocket launcher

[narrow condor]

The plasma gun's main advantage over the rocket launcher is its flexibility. The rocket launcher is a terrible crowd control weapon when there's little space to move around.

[azure nimbus]

In the context of iwads, it's really good

[narrow condor]

It's great for cutting through crowds to make a path out.

[glossy lagoon]

Generally, I tend to shotgun weaker enemies or Pinkies/Specters, chaingun grouped enemies (or Lost Souls), plasma blast the Cyberdemon, Spiderdemon or Cacodemons (though I often also use the shotgun for the latter), and spare rockets for Barons.

Generally, I don't use the chainsaw outside of limited circumstances or Snail Mode.

[dense plinth]

chainsaw is very good against pinkies I find

as long as you don't have other demons shooting at you, which you generally do

but if you find yourself with just pinkies or spectres just chainsaw them, save some ammo

[formal monolith]

Chainsaw is the pinkie hallway killer

[finite crag]

I'm surrounded by monsters almost every time, and i'm not playing on GZDoom. So it's maybe useful

[finite crag]

berserk is better for pinkies (if the map gives you one)

[narrow condor]

Berserk is much more versatile but the chainsaw is faster when all you're doing is holding down the forward and shoot buttons down a narrow corridor.

[rotund dew]

Chainsaw is useful for encounters with a single caco on UV (no -fast), since cacos have a high pain chance, you save some ammo there

[vast reef]

yup

or 2 cacos in a more open space, since you could use one as a meatshield

[dapper flint]

I use chainsaws on cybers

[vast reef]

gigachad

[finite crag]

pistol 👍

[dapper flint]

Pretty sure that was a unity trophy/achievement Killing a cyber with a pistol

[finite crag]

if you have a ton of clipboxes then you can kill it with the pistol

@dapper flint

[formal monolith]

Just use fist against Cyberdemon

[atomic dust]

even though the Zombiemen are seen wielding rifles, the rifles are essentially pistols

their rifles even make a pistol firing sound

[finite crag]

john trollmero designed it that way on purpose

[azure nimbus]

they do not do the same damage as your pistol, very slightly less on average. Samr for shotgunners. Their gun is less than half as good as your sg

[finite crag]

shotgunners are still deadly asf

[spice radish]

GZDoom has an option that makes the rifle an actual weapon and something zombiemen drop on death. I don’t play with that setting on but it’s kinda cool

[finite crag]

Long ago I used chainsaw vs cyber. Now not anymore because my skills is rusty

And i suck 👌

[glossy lagoon]

Chainsawing the Cyber's possible w/out invincibility?