classic-doom

[vast reef]

since i only had access to the shareware version for a while, going through e2 felt really cool

[azure nimbus]

gaming

[twilit rock]

Thats fair, its mainly just tom halls level design for me that does it

[spice radish]

Thy Flesh Consumed is good but Perfect Hatred, and Hell Beneath can suck it

Everything afterwards is significantly easier

[finite crag]

i just bought all of the doom games

[coarse cradle]

Nice

[dapper flint]

Give me your physical copy of doom rpg right NOW

[twilit rock]

Perfect hatred is one of the best levels in doom

[hexed escarp]

Hell beneath is really fun even tho it's difficult. It probably should have been placed later in the episode tho

[forest zodiac]

At least the difficulty curve isn’t like Heretic

[twilit rock]

Hell beneath is a perfect opener in my opinion

If you didn't have to pistol start hell beneath it would be easy as piss and even though you still could there's people that don't pistol start each level so like

You're forced to pistol start it putting it at the beginning which is what makes that level challenging

[spice radish]

Would be fine if it was in the middle of the episode or after Perfect Hatred

[ornate vortex]

Kid named "Against thee wickedly":

[twilit rock]

Kid named Abaddons void

Against thee wickedly really isnt as hard as E4M2, I think the abundance of weapons you get on that level and the fact that u can teleport away from cyberdemon and take him out at range makes it a big easier

You also get a bfg

[tepid tulip]

Question, DSDA Doom source port is often useful right?

[hexed escarp]

Yes

It is very good for playing book and mbf and mbf21 wads

[tepid tulip]

With some QoL? I might wanna consider using that source port for more faithful Doom experience with some extra bells

I probably wanna return to Doom 1 and play episode 2 on UV

[hexed escarp]

And it is good for speedrunning

[tepid tulip]

Ah I see

[hexed escarp]

And it's also good for vanilla

If you want high resolution, it's the way to go

[tepid tulip]

I always see Decino use it in his playthroughs so I wanna use it

[hexed escarp]

If you don't care about resolution I'd say go for woof or crispy doom

[fair flame]

Hello

[hexed escarp]

Those are twice the resolution of the original

But dsda works at your screens full resolution

[tepid tulip]

I have crispy doom as well, if I want to have a more graphically authentic experience

[hexed escarp]

Yeah

Dsda is def a good choice tho

[tepid tulip]

I rather use DSDA so I know where how much secrets I found without having to tap shift to bring the map

[twilit rock]

If you want faithful doom go with dosbox/chocolate doom, if you want vanilla-esque gameplay with modern enhancement go with crispy or prboom+/dsda doom

[tropic sigil]

Hi, does anyone know a way to play the classic dooms with mouse and keyboard on xbox series x? I can aim and shoot with the mouse already but I can't move

[royal heron]

perhaps they use the old arrow key controls? if you can try remapping them to standard wasd

[tropic sigil]

No, it weird since I don't think it was meant to be played with mouse and keyboard, yet I can aim and shoot with it. You'd think they'd just patch it in at this point

[lyric umbra]

i hate archviles

[forest zodiac]

uh, yes it was

the original manual even recommends this

[grizzled swan]

Doom 2 was cool

Is it true that there are no revenants or arch viles in doom 64?

[forest zodiac]

yes because of space limitations

however there's unused sounds for the Revenant and the missiles are still present as an occasional trap/hazard

[grizzled swan]

I see

Well, without those 2 the game should be way less stressful

Just the laugh of an archvile had me damn near sweating in an instant

[forest zodiac]

it's not in the PS1 port either but Aubrey Hodges had done the sound effects before he was told it was cut

he posted the raw recordings on his blog years back

[narrow condor]

I love archviles and revenants because they have unique mechanics that allow for fun combat puzzles.

[forest zodiac]

Arch-Vile jump WADs moment

yes, there are literally maps that require you to get boosted upward by the Arch-Vile's flame attack to progress

[narrow condor]

I don't even mean that; archviles contribute so much to combat itself what with area denial and special infighting mechanics.

[forest zodiac]

I know

[narrow condor]

And how you learn how to kite them by hiding from them, placing corpses to slow them down (with the stress of having to kill bigger monsters away from where they're going to spawn), staying in their lines of sight to prevent their movement and so on.

[azure nimbus]

flotsam05 gaming

[dapper flint]

Not anymore no. New ports of 64 have all orginal enemies and new ones. Even a pinky with huge ass wolverine claws that Jump at you

[twilit rock]

Teeth.wad

[forest zodiac]

I remember BD64 had a cheap-ass Revenant that was just Tchernobog from Blood with the horns cut off and missile launchers pasted on lmao

the Hellhound was a modified Blood enemy too IIRC

I think Mark might actually be making his own assets from the ground up now tho? I recall seeing him Tweet plant sprites he did himself a few years back

[dapper flint]

Haven't touched that. But I'm a giant fan of doom 64 ce

[forest zodiac]

also BD64's maps are just that old-ass ZDoom port of the Absolution TC

except for the new map that's placed before Map01 and the ending map

[dapper flint]

Horrible. Ya ex and ce is the best for new and custom maps and enemies. The archie looks fantastic

[forest zodiac]

it actually has a proper Arch-Vile sprite now instead of a tiny Mother Demon?

[dapper flint]

Ya it's got the goro vile now( I coined the term) lol

[torn pivot]

Doom: E2M9: Fortress of Mystery (UV-Fast ,100%) (Crispy Doom)
https://youtu.be/_jcWDvwM8os

[trail ibex]

I hace no idea how to use cmd lines

And Im trying to use PrBoom

[sturdy pendant]

try GZDoom

use that

[tepid tulip]

https://youtu.be/-emsVEa1M8s

New Dean of Doom today

Also apparently this is on the easier side of WADs he covered (I don't think last episode was brutally hard either but slaughterish at the end but the weapons are strong so it's more balanced)

[livid bone]

anyone wanna play ZDaemon

[finite crag]

Who wanna play deathmatch with me add up on dms

[vast reef]

💀

[lyric umbra]

try doomsday engine

[finite crag]

Does anyone else play with always run off

[lyric umbra]

me

it’s useful in levels like that one in doom 2 with the balance beams

[finite crag]

I like the extra level of control I get with the two speeds. I can bob and weave between projectiles much easier

[lyric umbra]

yeah

and i’m just used to holding down sprint

i held down sprint the whole first two levels in eternal until i got the dash power up thinking i was sprinting

[finite crag]

dang

[lyric umbra]

yeah

i had so much trouble with beating doom 2 on UV that i’m scared to try and do nightmare

[azure nimbus]

nightmare is astronomically harder. I highly recommend playing at custom doom or maybe uv -fast first before playing nightmare.

[halcyon willow]

Nightmare plays like a different game

[finite crag]

Nightmare is practically its own game, yeah

the way you approach levels and threat prioritization is all changed. Same with pistol start only too

[dapper flint]

I highly suggest playing around with speedrunning on fast before trying nightmare. Really helped in my run. It's been over a year though. Might need to do it again

[tropic sigil]

Uh but im playing this on xbox. Erm would love change it to wasd but can't. I wish they'd just update to play mouse and keyboard

[tacit remnant]

Doom Zero is crawling with shotgun zombies and they’re owning me. Also the shotgunner jumpscares keep getting me for some reason

[grizzled swan]

I struggled on hurt me plenty lmao

[rocky cave]

Hi

[vast reef]

no but i use walking sometimes

[narrow condor]

Walking is very useful for balancing on narrow platforms and peaking from corners.

[hexed escarp]

Does anybody else here play doom on dosbox?

If so have you been able to get decent audio quality out of it?

For me no matter how much I mess with the settings, it's either super delayed or super crackly and bad sounding

[edgy frigate]

sorry I'm on Steam, but lemme see if I can find anything

[edgy frigate]

could this help?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac-Knv04sPg

[stable carbon]

Is the final judgment down?

[edgy frigate]

the mighty Doom?

[torn pivot]

Doom 2: The Focus - Atari Jaquar - RomHack -(Calico-v2, PC port)
https://youtu.be/g1ZG_k9cBrc

[brisk hemlock]

I’m so close to beating doom 1

Just got to finish thy flesh consumed

[finite crag]

Can anyone give me a difficulty comparison: Valiant vs Sunlust

[finite crag]

which difficulty?

[dapper flint]

Valiant is alot easier than sunlust.

[finite crag]

That's nice

I'm guessing it gets insanely hard towards the end then - I watched the first few levels, which seemed fine

I'm almost finished with Valiant, so was wondering which wad to play next

[narrow condor]

Sunlust gets pretty hard later on but I think the difficulty slope is quite smooth.

[dapper flint]

I'd stick to some more skillsaw wads. Heartland is amazing for example and ancient aliens and vanguard are staples

[ornate vortex]

Valiant is way easier than Sunlust

Both difficulty curves are pretty good, both start off pretty easy but Sunlust quickly gets hard for new players

and the last levels are brutal for even some of the most diehard players

You can try Sunlust, but on UV it does get very hard, and I think even Ribbiks suggests playing on HNTR or HMP for most players

[azure nimbus]

sunlust is a reasonable followup from Valiant. SL is much more difficult, but the difficulty curve is smooth and it has difficulty settings implemented. I do consider it a big difficulty milestone but it is not the monolith that it is sometimes made out to be.

[dapper flint]

Much like people and plutonia

[finite crag]

Oh quite a few helpful suggestions, thanks all! I'll try out Sunlust first; and if it gets a bit too tough - I'll switch to some of the other suggested wad's.

[azure nimbus]

speed of doom or struggle are reasonable middlegrounds

[finite crag]

Ah alright, will bookmark those as well thanks

[ornate vortex]

I was gonna say rush, but the difficulty spike is not as smooth

Map 1 is very easy, then Maps 2-6 are a jump from map 1

the second half of rush is also pretty tough, and the last two maps are pretty relentless

Rush Map 12 also takes an hour to beat and like 80% of the fights are brutal

What I would suggest other than rush is something like Alien Vendetta

[narrow condor]

Resurgence is also very good, in the same vein as Speed of Doom.

[finite crag]

Is there a way to play the doom rpg on pc

[dapper flint]

There's emulators and a gz mod

[finite crag]

Alright

[halcyon elm]

does anyone remember the name of that one wad that strings together all of doom 1 into a single map?

[mortal solstice]

Doom One?

[halcyon elm]

yeah

[mortal solstice]

Yeah that's the name

[halcyon elm]

ah

thank you ❤️

[mortal solstice]

Yeee np I used to use it with Brutal Doom

[finite crag]

I like valiant but the super chaingun and pistol spoils me and makes me feel sad when I downgrade to the regular chain gun and pistol

[tawny forge]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-guy-twerk-gif-25604234

[mortal solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-slayer-gif-25681041

Damn it mine fucked up

[ornate vortex]

an original joke

lol

[forest zodiac]

the original version of that GIF quickly had him go to the standard Doomguy sprite and it'd just stay like that until you loaded the GIF again

[tepid pilot]

Do you say jif or gif

[forest zodiac]

I will not answer that question

[tepid pilot]

Probably for the best

[tacit remnant]

I use hard G, but I saw a thing at one point about how it should be “yiff”
Use this information however you see fit

[sick grove]

Why is the plasma rifle so loud

[tacit remnant]

I don’t understand the question

[sick grove]

The plasma rifle

In the original doom

Is very loud

Why is it louder than like everything else

[finite crag]

It's pronounced jyfe

[tacit remnant]

I don’t know what you’re talking about. Maybe I’ve just played too much old Doom to notice IDK

[finite crag]

The plasma rifle is loud but I think it's fine compared to the other guns

[sick grove]

Idk I mostly use the shotgun but when I fight like a caco or smth I use the plasma rifle and I need to turn my tv down bc it’s so loud

Like compared to the shotgun, chaingun, and hell even the chainsaw it’s so much louder

[azure nimbus]

Yeah sounds are generally well balanced except that one

[coarse cradle]

Because it's plasma idk

And/or because someone made it loud

[dapper flint]

I like the plasma sound because I'm weird

[coarse cradle]

I like the plasma itself cuz it saves my ass

[azure nimbus]

the sound is fine. It's just too loud

[tepid pilot]

Very true

[narrow condor]

I like to consider it a part of its inherent downsides, like the cooldown between shots. Or like how the pistol and the chaingun get inaccurate when you hold down the trigger.

[finite crag]

Which you can break by tapping the trigger. Enjoy sniping enemies from across the map

[narrow condor]

I'm aware; I'm just mentioning it as an idiosyncrasy.

[azure nimbus]

that and that it'd blinding to use, especially in vanilla where there is no transparency

[narrow condor]

Oh yeah, it makes it really hard to spot incoming rockets.

[azure nimbus]

There's a part of FW05 where it's a few cybers walking at you on a long and thin platform. Especially since plasma bolts autoaim upwards slightly since he's so tall, I would swap to ssg as soon as possible (lower damage so I usually had to switch late) so I could actually see

In my winning run, I didn't use ssg and had barely enough cells for the end

[dapper flint]

https://youtube.com/shorts/gTzMhcHicdM?feature=share

Here's a fun little cyber fight

[carmine trellis]

[sick grove]

Is- is inferno just “yeah we stole all your ammo have fun”

[spice radish]

no

Or at least I never found myself hurting for ammo in any of the episodes

including Thy Flesh Consumed after E4M2 they give you a fuck ton of rockets and energy cells if your looking for them.

[tacit remnant]

Inferno is where the level design gets weird

[spice radish]

Limbo can suck it. I hate it the most out of episode 3

Most of the other levels are good though except the secret level and Slough of Despair

[tacit remnant]

I like Slough of Despair and House of Pain. The only ones I really dislike are Limbo and Unholy Cathedral, and in both cases it’s because they’re confusing as hell

[spice radish]

Most levels perfect the feeling of “Your in Hell now” but Limbo is just bad design and Unholy Cathedral is the laziest level in the whole game

[sick grove]

Should I play 2 or 64 whenever I’m done with this game

[spice radish]

Wait not Unholy Cathedral it’s a different level I’m thinking of

Can’t remember the name though

[tacit remnant]

Unholy Cathedral is apparently like that because it was originally a Tom Hall level that Petersen kept largely the same

[spice radish]

Doesn’t really matter but I would say 64. 2 can be kind of a slog at times

[tacit remnant]

Unholy Cathedral is the map where there’s a ridiculous number of teleporters that have no rhyme or reason for where they go

[spice radish]

I’m thinking of the level where you start off surrounded by Barons in a grey room then go into another room with an indent on the floor and the room is filled with Cacos. And the exit door is just 3 sloppily placed colored doors

And it’s stupid short

[sick grove]

I’ll play them both eventually, I just got 2, 64, and 3 the other day since they were on sale and I’m planning on platinuming the whole series since I have all of them now

[tacit remnant]

I don’t know what you’re talking about. My best guess is TFC since my memory of it is spotty

[sick grove]

I’ve had the original doom like a year or more at this point but I never got around to beating even the first episode until like last week lmao

[tacit remnant]

You should also play the Sigil and Plutonia Addons after beating Doom 2. They’re both excellent

[finite crag]

I haven't even seen the icon of sin first hand yet

and I've been playing doom for years now

almost a decade i think

[tacit remnant]

You aren’t missing much tbh

[sick grove]

I’ve been stuck on that fight on Nightmare for a while and just haven’t gotten back to beating it yet

[finite crag]

I've just accepted the fact that I'll never be good enough for nightmare or even UV on most wads

[sick grove]

I usually try to play games on at least the second hardest or hardest difficulty on my first playthrough

[finite crag]

I was all about that because the community is usually "ULTRAVIOLENCE OR BUST" but recently i sat myself down and asked myself 2 questions: Am I good? and Is this fun? No was the answer for both of them, so I decided to try HMP instead

[sick grove]

I mean UV has felt fair for me (mostly) in all three games I’ve played so far

Even the original one I feel like holds up better than most games that come out today lmao

[finite crag]

UV starts out easy enough but eventually it devolves into me being one hit away from death and saving after every single kill

[sick grove]

I go between being on the verge of death with like 10 shells and 200hp/armor and max ammo on everything usually lol

[spice radish]

Doom 3 is pretty good. Gets so much unnecessary hate

[finite crag]

I never liked 3 but I don't hate it. I can acknolege that it was trying to do its own thing and that expecting it be be just like doom 1 and 2 is dumb to do

I feel like if you tried working with the game you could enjoy it quite a bit but slower styled horror based stuff was never my style

[sick grove]

I still find it crazy how well Doom 1 has aged

This game is 30 years old and it more fun than most modern games

[finite crag]

and the gameplay just works in any situation, mod, story, etc

[vast reef]

i will never shut up about how much i love classic doom's flexibility

[finite crag]

Me neither. Ever since I started smoking weed I've been obsessed with doom and the nerdy meta shit

[vast reef]

baron Railgun may say some positively delusional shit but i agree with his adoration for how classic doom manages to be good with such few mechanics

[finite crag]

It's just such a tightly designed game. I don't think any game is ever perfect but doom is close to that level imo

[vast reef]

games like ultrakill are a blast, but their gameplay style feels much more "specific"

you can change how doom plays fairly drastically just from messing with the levels or just changing some very simple values with mods

[finite crag]

With the tools that they had I think the boys at id plateaued in terms of quality with doom 2. It's just good with very little bad. Better enough than doom 1 which was already great

[vast reef]

what makes doom so good is the enemy-to-weapon balance, it's near-perfect

[finite crag]

Yeah I love the weapon balancing

Everything always finds a use with me. Even the pistol

And fighting demons is always engaging. Just the movement coupled with the sounds and the blood it's all just so satisfying to play

[vast reef]

yep, though i usually only use the pistol for saving ammo and shooting hitscan targets

[vast reef]

true

[finite crag]

Still, most games would make you ditch the starter weapon all together

[vast reef]

yup

doom doesn't even have equally powerful weapons, yet they find their uses

[tacit remnant]

Key note about Doom 3: it’s very much an atmospheric action game once it get going. It just spends more time than it probably should getting to that part. The expansions are beloved in large part because they didn’t do that and cut to the chase

[finite crag]

They all are powerful in the right situations.

[vast reef]

powerful as in raw damage

[finite crag]

Nice

[finite crag]

Oh then yeah true

[vast reef]

doom still has a hierarchy of weapon power unlike other games

[finite crag]

Yep, they encourage weapon switching better than most games

The only other one that comes to mind for me is borderlands 2 with how much weapon swapping was important

[finite crag]

Doom 3 is really good, eff the haters

[edgy frigate]

a lot of them are more of an "modern Doom fanboys" who want Doom to be a fast paced kick-ass game (as in, to fulfil the power fantasy), ignoring the horror elements the Retro Doom had (granted, modern Doom does hold on to some of the horror elements, esp D2016, but not as much as the Retro Doom)

[tepid tulip]

I think Doom benefits from a healthy mix of both

Personally I like more of the action but I like some of the atmosphere in classic Doom

When you go too much on either side you do miss what is essential to why the classics work

Modern Doom is still faithful to it's classic self, just moreso focused on the music, look and action than full on horror

[dapper flint]

Doom 2016 did a solid job in some instances when it comes to horror. The UAC design in particular being based on that of doom 3

[finite crag]

The archvile maze paired with that one song is so unsettling and tense

[vast reef]

do you guys think oku2v31 is TAS-only, or do we just need to find a crackhead with enough time and determination?

Decino was able to beat it with shit-tons of savescumming, so I'd assume it's the latter

[torn pivot]

Psx Doom II - Part 2 (UV-100%) (PsyDoom 1.1.0) Vulkan Renderer
https://youtu.be/HwEccYaXE9A

[ornate vortex]

I am a crackhead with enough time and determination

I've done some ridiculous runs before, but I think okuplok is both ridiculous and brutal

I don't really know if it's possible either, but in this day of age, anything could happen

if anyone is gonna beat okuplok on max, my bet is that it'll be someone like Ancalagon

[fluid lion]

How did you get this version to work? I love psxdoom

[spice radish]

Pretty sure it’s a mod

[fluid lion]

It isnt

[vast reef]

it isn't

[fluid lion]

Its a port

[vast reef]

it needs the PSX ISO

[vast reef]

yea

[fluid lion]

I tried that, but every rom i found has 8 .bin files and 1 .cue file

None of them worked

[vast reef]

i'll try it out when i have time

[ornate vortex]

I beat Crumpets map 2

Wasn't actually so bad

[frosty sand]

Yea, it was, but it was also way too easy.

Ammo everywhere, weak enemies

[tepid pilot]

Yeah, I also think that it relied on jumpscares too much for it's horror element

[dapper flint]

Nightmare fixes that makes it a good challenge

[tepid pilot]

Doom 3 has a nightmare difficulty?

[forest zodiac]

yeah, it unlocks after you beat the game for the first time

[tepid pilot]

I thought it was rookie, marine, and veteran difficulty

Oh

[forest zodiac]

your health caps at 25 normally and you're given the Soul Cube right at the beginning

[tepid pilot]

Damn

[dapper flint]

Damage is also increased by 350 percent and health is removed other than health station's when maxed your health will tick down to 25 percent

[tepid pilot]

Okay, that definitely makes it more difficult

[dapper flint]

Oh ya. I've been playing since 2004 and still haven't managed a deathless nightmare run

[tepid pilot]

Bfg edition or og

[dapper flint]

I only play og these days

[tepid pilot]

Nice

[dapper flint]

And if og there or other options for difficulty through mods

[tepid pilot]

Nice

I've only played bfg edition

[dapper flint]

Love lost missions

[tepid pilot]

Same

I really just wish that it wasn't so audio dependent

[dry niche]

what programs do you recommend me to make doom maps?

other from doom builder

[tepid pilot]

I've heard that doomCAD is good

[dry niche]

thx

[tepid pilot]

I'm kidding

Don't actually use it

[dry niche]

lol, i was already going to download it

i'm gonna test it anyways, i'll see if it's good or bad

[tepid pilot]

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/121366-what-doom-editors-do-you-use-updated-version/

[ornate vortex]

doombuilder is probs the best one to use imo

[tepid pilot]

Here is a list of ones that people use

[ornate vortex]

also half my demos on dw got moved

idk if it's because they're not records or because of another reason

[shut harness]

Hey has anyone heard about the "Doom Classic Complete" bundle?

[forest zodiac]

that was the old Steam bundle for all the classic Doom games before the whole reworking of the id games on Steam last August

now it's just the "Doom Classic bundle"

consisting of 1, 2, 3, and 64

Final and Master Levels got delisted and the DOS versions were merged into 2's package

BFG Edition and ROE got delisted and were merged with the 2004 version of 3 into one package

[shut harness]

oh... so if I buy the Classic Complete bundle from. external store (like instant gaming) will they give me the new bundle??

[forest zodiac]

uh, I don't know about that

huh, Instant Gaming's listing for Classic Complete is still the pre-August 2022 version

where Final and Master Levels were listed separately

but given that you're essentially being sold a Steam key it'll probably be the current bundle

[shut harness]

that's what I was thinking. if the ID of the bundle is the same, then they'll be the same. i'll try and contact support. ty nate!

the thing is that other sites like eneba and g2a do the same

[shut harness]

ok so, after looking for it a bit more, I though that, because they are unlisted, they would give them to me, since they sre just unlisted, not banished. just like that trick to get FNAF World on steam. it's unlisted, but you can get it.

[pale plaza]

soulcube is kind of strange they should be giving the doom guy a bible instead LOL : in the name of Jesus...

[dapper flint]

[shut harness]

@forest zodiac sorry for ping, but support answered and I had a question for you. Support says that "It has what it says in the bundle's description". In the description it says that it has Doom 1, Doom 2, Final Doom and the masters levels for Doom 2. Does this mean that it has DOOM.WAD, DOOM2.WAD, PLUTONIA.WAD and TNT.WAD? I really just want the game to play it regularly and then play Doom RPG RL Arsenal

[forest zodiac]

yeah, that
and all the WADs that comprise Master Levels

[shut harness]

are you an AI, how did you read it so fast?

[forest zodiac]

because the original Master Levels came with this launcher that you'd pick all the different maps from to play through individually

no, I'm just a fast reader

the 2019 remaster of Doom 2 (included with the Steam release since September 2020) has a similar dialog when you select the Master Levels, showing you the list of maps that you pick from

[shut harness]

bro you a life saver ong. support saying that they will check it the fastest they can but now that I understand what it has imma just buy it. seriously thank you.

[torn pivot]

Download psydoom in the description, fan made port, requires the pax iso to run however

[forest zodiac]

works with Final too

[atomic dust]

I can remember that when I was playing Doom II on the BFG Edition for some achievements, I got confused and ran in circles for more than 20 minutes in the Citadel

seriously, that level was just as confusing as Downtown

[finite crag]

so
i beat plutonia 7

that was
Certainly something

[narrow condor]

I haven't played it (nor do I intend to) but I really like the map names.

[tacit remnant]

There’s more than 3?! I thought 80s-90s slasher movies were bad about endless sequels

[narrow condor]

I think it skips straight from 3 to 7 as a joke.

[tacit remnant]

Oh lol

[narrow condor]

Maybe exactly because of the B-film sequel disease association.

[tacit remnant]

Doing sequels to Doom wads never really made sense to me but that’s funny

[narrow condor]

That's probably part of the reason why people hated Plutonia 3 so much. If it had any other name, people would just ignore it as a newbie's first megawad, but claiming the heritage of Plutonia in a personal project (ie not a community project) was probably seen as arrogant.

[sick grove]

Inferno is a nightmare oh my god

This entire episodes levels are a nightmare to try to navigate

[vast reef]

plutonia 7 has amazing map names

[thorny hemlock]

Whats up yall? Idk if this is the right placd but im using dsda doom. Im playing random wads but i want to play other midis. How would i go?

[narrow condor]

As in a Midi file that's included in the wad or something external?

For the former, you can use the idmus cheat code and specify the id of the track you want to play.

For the latter, you can, well, override the existing tracks by loading a music-only pwad (like the soundtrack replacements) or just mute the music and play the Midi file with a music player.

[thorny hemlock]

It was external. Yea ill do the music player one. Thanks!

[narrow condor]

No problem!

[finite crag]

the map names are amazing

except some map name textures in the intermission screens are different than what they're called cause they put a random picture or something sometimes

[ornate vortex]

I can relate to that after playing junkfood

which is brilliant imo for getting the hang of bfg spam maps

[upbeat geyser]

hello

[dapper flint]

Hi

[fringe quiver]

Hello

[remote ice]

[vale gyro]

[ornate vortex]

I feel like it’s a problem that I have completed rush 2 but haven’t even started rush map 12 runs yet. To me it feels wrong that i’m not doing it in chronological order

[brisk hemlock]

Is anything wrong with the steam release of doom

[narrow condor]

The current one seems fine to me.

[tacit remnant]

It’s fine. It sadly doesn’t have online play or Boom compatibility but there’s nothing wrong with it either

[jade ether]

Is anyone good at Minecraft command blocks? Or red stone? This is relevant

[azure nimbus]

I mean...it doesn't have the standard graphics for some sprites and textures re medikits and wolfenstein levels. The movement controls aren't right. Auto sr50 is implemented for no reason. The loading takes longer, there is no idclip or idclev##.

[jade ether]

Is anyone good at Minecraft command blocks? Or red stone? This is relevant

[narrow condor]

Wait what? It's got auto-SR50?

That's crazy.

[true mortar]

I just got doom 2 for my pc

I had it on my switch

[azure nimbus]

nice. now you can play all the boom and mbf21 stuff that you like

[true mortar]

??

I mean I have gzdoom

I just recently got into doom

[jade ether]

Is anyone good at Minecraft command blocks? Or red stone? This is relevant. I’m recreating classic doom in Minecraft bedrock

[azure nimbus]

Do you think a minecraft discord might yield better results for your query?

[jade ether]

No. I need people who DOOM.

Only doom lovers can get the results I ask for

[azure nimbus]

Only minecrafters know command blocks?

[azure nimbus]

Boom and mbf21 are variants of the doom engine that are emulated by dsda. It's kinda like how gzdoom is a variant of the doom engine, but boom and mbf21 are somehow "closer" to the original with relaxed limitations. As you explore more custom content you'll see some more varieties in stuff like that

[narrow condor]

Boom <3

[hexed escarp]

Yes

Very much so

[frosty sand]

Been a long time since I did Minecraft stuff, but maybe I can help. What do you need exactly? Feel free to dm me

[hexed escarp]

Oh can’t help you don’t do shit in bedrock bc the redstone and commands are ass

[jade ether]

Damn

I’m doing Bedrock first and then Java second

I need basic help. Basic, but past the point that I can do.

[hexed escarp]

If you are doing java then I can definitely help you

I love mapmaking and redstone

Although I’m garbage at building

I barely know anything about bedrock but I do know that even basic stuff is completely different

[dapper flint]

[hexed escarp]

Also you might be better off finding minecrafters who doom rather than doomers who Minecraft

[thorny hemlock]

I probably already know the answer but is there any way to play the SIGIL_SHREDS. wad in Doom 2? Or is it strictly only for Doom 1?

[tacit remnant]

I think it’s only for Doom 1

[finite crag]

how is sigil, I want to try it but the idea of going back to the limited doom 2 roster and weapons makes me not want to

[tacit remnant]

It’s pretty good but fairly hard

It uses the Doom 1 roster very very well

It’s also one of the most aesthetically pleasing Doom wads I’ve ever played

[finite crag]

yikes, I dunno then

[tacit remnant]

There’s no shame is playing it on a lower difficulty.

[finite crag]

No outside shame but it's a personal shame thing. Hurt Me Plenty is as far as I'm willing to go but even then I still struggle plenty on most wads

[tacit remnant]

Yeah in that case maybe come back later once you’re more confident

[finite crag]

granted it's easier to brute force classic doom since you can save scum and dying takes seconds, compared to the sparse checkpoints of eternal and the few extra seconds the game takes when loading

[hexed escarp]

I was able to beat sigil on hmp and I’m very inexperienced

[finite crag]

hm, that's encouraging

[tacit remnant]

It is worth noting that Sigil on HMP isn’t so tough. It jumps hard from HMP to UV though

[finite crag]

I remember civvie giving a warning about that

[finite crag]

Trollmero created it

[tacit remnant]

My favorite wad on the official port (and among my favorite wads period) is Plutonia. It’s a moderate challenge but it’s very well designed. It also does a good job helping you learn to deal with its challenges

[finite crag]

"moderate"

[tacit remnant]

Plutonia is harder than the other official content but there’s so many much harder wads

[finite crag]

That has the same energy as "there are only 14 archviles"

[finite crag]

I don't know why but i prefer TNT over Plutonia. It's because i'm a scker for wads that have a very good atmosphere, and TNT created the atmosphere much better than Plutonia.

[tacit remnant]

The hardest wad I’ve ever attempted was Sunlust. I couldn’t get past map 2 on Hey Not So Rough despite beating Plutonia on UV

[finite crag]

Sunlust is definitely beyond my limits

[tacit remnant]

The penultimate level in Sunlust is named “Fuck You” which sums up the wad’s attitude well

[finite crag]

I got through map04 on HMP and then burnt out

I give up at the first level most times because I lose motivation at around the 20 death mark

[tacit remnant]

I hope to conquer Sunlust one day but we’ll see. Definitely enjoyed seeing Decino beat the finale though

[finite crag]

Map01 is much harder than map02 or 3, though

I've been to map 2 only once, but map 3 I don't think I'll ever get to see

[finite crag]

I saw map05 then never played sunlust again (HMP)

[tacit remnant]

Plutonia is hard, but I’d say it isn’t usually mean. Usually is the keyword though. The 14 Archeviles map is the only thing I found actively malicious.

[finite crag]

I don't understand why people want to play wads that actively show they don't want to be played

[finite crag]

I just teleport to the 4 archvile-room with iddqd and noclip because i want 100% kills and secrets in all maps i play.

how do you seek out all secrets, I almost never find any in any wad I play

and I try too, Looking for weird textures, staring at the automap for minutes at a time, retracing my steps, but I barely find any

[finite crag]

Set the secret showing to always, then if you want you can type IDDT

And look for suspicious textures/walls etc.

I think my least favorite secrets are the ones with walls you need to shoot

[finite crag]

TNT map18 memories...

because 9 times out of 10 it's a normal looking all so I end up wasting ammo shooting every single wall

I think tnt map18 is my least favourite map in the wad

the only wad that does the shootable triggers correctly imo was Valiant because they were specific buttons that were well hidden, rather than just random walls you need to pull out a guide for

I never played valiant, will try out

[tacit remnant]

Sigil does that too btw

[finite crag]

it's a great wad I think

I love the super chaingun and super pistol

[tacit remnant]

It uses the eye map object to mark them

[finite crag]

yeah, a distinctive texture that is hidden. So it's not too easy to find but it's not just blind guesswork

You get rewarded for paying attention

I hate the super imps though

[tacit remnant]

Oh btw Sigil does a cool thing where the deathmatch spawn points are in an area inaccessible in single player so Deathmatch basically gets its own separate map set

[narrow condor]

There's a dedicated demographic of players that take delight in playing maps that are openly hostile to the player because they enjoy the challenge of getting over all the painful hurdles and finally beating the map. It's like a "showing it who's the boss" kind of feeling. "You failed to daunt me and I came out on top."

[tacit remnant]

Like hunting tigers minus the mortal danger and ethical concerns

[narrow condor]

Hahah

The idea is pretty similar now that you mention it, yeah.

[finite crag]

I wish i had that sort of motivation and confidence

[tacit remnant]

IDK about the motivation, but the confidence comes from experience

[narrow condor]

Just to be clear, I'm not a part of that group because the satisfaction of beating the map doesn't match the effort for me. (I couldn't be a speedrunner for the name reason.)

Everyone's got a different style they enjoy and I personally like maps that reward hard work within the game itself.

[finite crag]

Yeah I enjoy maps that just don't hate you and beat you down. I already do that myself plenty

[tacit remnant]

I like maps that ask something significant of me but is careful to “play fair”

[narrow condor]

Yeah, so don't feel pressured to play maps you don't like. There's a similar peer pressure about skill levels, with people feeling like they have to play on UV even if they don't enjoy it.

[finite crag]

Yeah, I struggle with that too. Just feels like I'm not getting the "best" experience when below UV, since nearly every map maker designs their levels with uv in mind

Can't recall exactly but I remember a mod had hmp renamed to the "boring" difficulty

[narrow condor]

Rude

[tacit remnant]

If it helps, remember that you can just come back to a wad for UV if/when you feel up for it later

[finite crag]

And uv was named like "The true way" or something

[tacit remnant]

The only wad I know where you can’t just play whatever difficulty feels right is “Not Even Remotely Fair”
Not for some kind of honor or pride reasons, the wad is intentionally designed to be physically impossible on every difficulty except Nightmare and is generally designed around Nightmare’s unique mechanics

[finite crag]

Yeah I heard of that one

[narrow condor]

Well, aside from that, some authors simply don't implement any other difficulty level. Sunder only has UV, for example. (Though I guess you can pick NM or ITYTD for the other details.)

I always appreciate it when they do implement all three levels. It's one of the "mapper's courtesy" things, like letting the player backtrack right before the exit to get 100%.

[tacit remnant]

More than playing hard wads, I really aspire to make my own wads for people to play

[finite crag]

I would love to make wads but I can't. Too complicated and I probably wouldn't be a good designer

[tacit remnant]

I currently can’t because my PC is broken. Historically I’ve had issues finishing projects due to depression

[narrow condor]

I should also say that you don't have to stick to one skill level anyway. On days you feel like you need something to breeze through, you can pick a lower difficulty than you're used to. Or on days you feel like you want something more challenging than usual without intending to finish it, you can pick a higher difficulty. And so on.

[finite crag]

I always start a save on UV but never finish it because I take breaks and never come back

[narrow condor]

When I do that, I conclude that I didn't enjoy it and delete the save.

[finite crag]

I think for me it's the ADHD ruining my life again

[tacit remnant]

I know that feeling

[narrow condor]

I've always wanted to try my hand at mapping but realised I wouldn't be able to finish a map because of the amount of effort and motivation it takes to realise the vision, let alone the initial hurdle of learning the ropes of mapping in the first place.

[finite crag]

Yeah there's so much that goes into creating good maps. So much to fuck up.

Or you risk putting your heart and soul into the map or wad, you finally release it, and then it gets no attention or people shit on it

[narrow condor]

I mean, ideally you should make a lot of mistakes and screw-ups in order to learn, but the motivation to keep going is a scarce resource.

But don't let me discourage you. Even messing around in the map builder, trying random ideas without intending to put together a complete map is still fun on its own.

[tacit remnant]

Yup

[mortal solstice]

Isn't there a BFG in E2M3?

[tacit remnant]

No

The BFG is introduced in E3

[mortal solstice]

I could've sworn there was though, there's even a wiki that says there's a teleporter to a BFG in this level

[tacit remnant]

I think there is one in E3M2 though

[mortal solstice]

Nevermind, I was reading the wrong wiki, it was telling me about a "damnation" wad apparently

[ornate vortex]

i think you got confused with E3M3

[mortal solstice]

Nah

I just remembered wrong I guess

[vast reef]

cant help in bedrock but i can make datapacks for java

[tacit remnant]

@finite crag one thing I forgot to say when wall switches came up: instead of shooting the switch, you can also use the chainsaw to set them off

[finite crag]

I forgot about that lmao

[dapper flint]

Ya there are plenty of wads where hurt me is actually still pretty spicy

[narrow condor]

Definitely. There are wads I greatly enjoyed on HMP but wouldn't even attempt on UV, even though I usually play on UV.

[atomic dust]

I have the xbox 360 versions of both Classic Doom games

[finite crag]

Epic

Doom with a controller is surprisingly comfortable to play

[atomic dust]

I should play those ports. they seem to be very cool

[finite crag]

Source ports are awesome. I never play without them anymore

[fluid lion]

anybody wanna play some classic doom?

deathmatch or cooperative

[edgy frigate]

I would play some Co-Op but can't rn, sorry

[lyric umbra]

do any of you guys know what to do when doom builder asks for resources

like what do i use

[forest zodiac]

I say go into the settings and configure it to detect your IWADs

like from your Steam installs or something, I can't remember

[lyric umbra]

ok

[true otter]

is there a way to play classic doom on a pixelbook?

[ornate vortex]

I feel like i’ve missed something when learning how to speedrun. In a lot of my recent runs, I feel as if i’m not getting close enough to the times other people have put up.

Would anyone know if there’s some trick to getting faster runs? or is it pretty much luck based from there and I gotta grind it out?

[true mortar]

Maybe cheat

Jk

[ornate vortex]

I mean

nah i wouldn’t cheat

[true mortar]

We do a little trolling

We engage in a mild amount of tomfoolery

[ornate vortex]

jokes aside, is there any sort of way that I could improve

[tacit remnant]

Are you strafe running?

[ornate vortex]

yes, SR40 most of the time

[true mortar]

I’m not that good at doom

So I can’t really help

[ornate vortex]

occasionally sr50 if there’s a lot of space

[true mortar]

I had to cheat to beat a level

[ornate vortex]

or i gotta make some annoying jump

[true mortar]

😔

Maybe use gzdoom

[tacit remnant]

Yeah IDK what else you can do to go faster

[ornate vortex]

i suppose runs kinda come down to how lucky you get in the end

[true mortar]

You can rocket jump in gzdoom

[ornate vortex]

so maybe i just gotta grind it out

[true mortar]

Might make it easier

[tacit remnant]

Speedrunning uses a fairly strict ruleset so that’s out

There is technically a kind of rocket jump in vanilla Doom, but it’s not very useful

[ornate vortex]

it’s really only used for speed boosts

like i imagine the one in map 7 doom II

where you can just skip the entire level by rocket boosting

[true mortar]

Speedrun sigil

Wait

[ornate vortex]

I could potentially do that tbh, I have played through sigil and beat it

[true mortar]

I haven’t

[ornate vortex]

atm i’m playing through crumpets

[true mortar]

Try it on a switch

Makes it 5x harder

[tacit remnant]

The best solution is probably to see what other speedrunners are doing

[ornate vortex]

And just mimic their movement?

i suppose so

[tacit remnant]

Or at the very least the route

[ornate vortex]

tbf, that actually works from my experience

[true mortar]

Speedrun Chex quest

[ornate vortex]

crumpets map 2 i managed to get a sub 2 min run by copying ancalagon’s route

i cut off like 11 seconds from the previous run I did

[true mortar]

Is that good?

[ornate vortex]

considering it’s crumpets, i’d say that’s pretty solid

[tacit remnant]

That’s about 8% so yeah that’s a significant improvement

[true mortar]

Never played that

[ornate vortex]

crumpets?

[true mortar]

Yeah

Just got into doom this month

[ornate vortex]

it’s a doom wad made by ribbiks, it’s easier to complete than a lot of his other work mainly because it’s small scale fights, but it’s far from easy

crumpets is easy the first 5 maps and then it gets hard

but when i mean easy in this case, it’s like a lot harder than plutonia

so it’s not actually easy

lol

[true mortar]

Wanna know how much people sell the shareware doom floppy disks for on eBay

Like $400

Isn’t that fucking stupid

[tacit remnant]

Plutonia is the hardest wad I’ve finished. I really want to play through Going Down or Alien Vendetta at some point.

[ornate vortex]

Plutonia is what i consider to be the building block of progression

once you’ve beaten it, you’ve opened up a whole lot of possibilities for when it comes to wads

In terms of improving skill wise in doom, plutonia is where most people start

[ornate vortex]

go for it! Going Down is one of my favourite wads

[tacit remnant]

I’ve attempted Going Down. I couldn’t get past map 7 or so

[ornate vortex]

Is that the bad reception one?

[tacit remnant]

I think I got stuck on the wormhole map, I don’t remember exactly. Maybe I’ll try again when my laptop is fixed

[ornate vortex]

oh, map 5 i think

I don’t remember a lot of the maps but the portal map is just dealing with small waves of demons

i also remember the reception one i did struggle with, it was where I took my first death

[bronze mirage]

DOOM on the switch can be extremely annoying because of the controls, but it also generous of levels it gives you.

[true mortar]

I play doom eternal on switch

My pc can’t fucking run it

[tacit remnant]

Same

[dapper flint]

Heard it isn't to bad

[finite crag]

pc98 doom has to be the most annoying version in terms of audio

[alpine cave]

yo anyone here know how to save a mod load order in ZDL?

ive had ZDL for ages and never knew i could do it lol

[finite crag]

Where is the doom 1 WAD located on steam, I tried looking in base it isn't there

[finite crag]

From Steam go to browse local files

Yeah ik there's no WAD

Doom 2 has it's wad but not 1

[red bolt]

How can I explain to someone what is a 💾

?

[narrow condor]

Portable storage device used before writeable CDs were popular.

[finite crag]

A floppy disk?

[red bolt]

Thanks

[narrow condor]

👍

[ripe geode]

It was an early adaption of the USB

(universal serial bus)

[narrow condor]

What? How?

[ripe geode]

Well, floppy disk's use to be popular for their ease of portability for files, although the size might sound small now, comparatively, back in the day that was a big deal. In the same way thumb drives (usb sticks) are used quite often for quick file transferrers

[narrow condor]

Ah, so you mean flash drives, not USB itself. USB is a completely unrelated standard.

[ripe geode]

I was trying to teach two lessons at once

[narrow condor]

Arguably memory cards were used for the same purpose in between the two, but they never got as popular.

[ripe geode]

USB in just that it is a universal bus for data transfer

and OG towers used to have floppy drive inserts or whatever (bays)

[narrow condor]

USB isn't necessarily for data transfer, it's a series of general purpose connection protocols.

[ripe geode]

(not trying to sound like a dick) just trying to help clarify for anyone else reading as well

Right on

[torn pivot]

Doom: E2M7: Spawning Vats (UV-Fast ,100%) (Crispy Doom)
https://youtu.be/J4fxErBLpoU

[dapper flint]

Epic! Fast is always a good time

[finite crag]

I died on map02 twice (and i thought i was a good doom player...)

[edgy frigate]

don't worry pal, D3 has been kicking my ass while when playing 1, 2 and 64 most of the time I was going "man this is too easy, can't wait to turn up the difficulty" and people keep saying that Doom 3 is the easiest game

[finite crag]

does doom 3 belong to classic doom or it's a newer era?

[edgy frigate]

eh, well when you really look at it, it's more closer to the how Classic's play rather than D2016 and Eternal

[azure nimbus]

It's in #doom-3. By classic doom, people mean doom1 and doom2(sometimes d64) and pwads related to it or engines like boom related to it.

[finite crag]

so it's a different category

[narrow condor]

Doom 3 has entirely different ethos, mechanics and design goals as a game to begin with, so I don't think it's fair to compare it to Doom/Doom 2.

[red bolt]

Does everyone have Netflix?
If so there is a documentary on Netflix about video games called: high score

[lyric umbra]

how do i make a skybox in doom builder

[tepid tulip]

I have a question

Did Decino ever did ancient aliens? Til he's doing a Livestream of it

Could've sworn he did it or would've done it

Well on the 1st but not sure if this is an April fool's joke or that he's actually doing it

[vast reef]

he did a joke ancient aliens iirc

[tepid tulip]

I wonder if he's actually gonna put through with Ancient Aliens for his Livestream or not

I knew last year was a meme and I found that out

I wanna be on the safe side and say it's another April fool's joke but in the 1% chance he is gonna pull through with it I'll be hype

I really enjoy that wad even if it's challenging

Challenging but balanced

[narrow condor]

I started playing Crumpets on HMP and it's actually surprisingly lenient.

Hard to believe it's Ribbiks if it weren't for his signature combat puzzle style, such as putting you in the middle of a room with monsters on two sides turned their backs on you, so you have time to examine the room and the monster placement before you shoot your first shot.

It's not only because it's HMP (fewer/weaker monsters, more health lying around) but also it doesn't block your escape paths during ambushes, so you can retreat to safety for free.

[azure nimbus]

on the final level of crumpets, I ran out of ammo and had to punch the cyber

[narrow condor]

Wow

[coarse cradle]

With berserk right? Right?

[narrow condor]

I probably shouldn't speak too soon, because I'm still in the early maps.

[frosty cipher]

Hi guys, I hope this is the right place to spread the word about an excellent new music mod for DOOM (1993). The YouTube channel Pieces of 8-bit has released it's HQ remakes of the original soundtrack as .ogg files and in the .wad format.

https://www.nexusmods.com/doom1993/mods/12

Here is the playlist on YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLe4GPzW9S9fOZR6NaCv9N_5GF1pe-3g6e

[sick mist]

[azure nimbus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k41mCGjuolM&list=PL6z3JwchtJUF2DfZunKsrcZbBwBrAz6h6&index=9 yes. sound is really really low. I'm still bad at youtube lol. Really the only other time I've punched a cyber is on Fractured Worlds map04(which is on my channel with better sound)

[coarse cradle]

Oh thank god you didn't punch it with a normal fist

[azure nimbus]

Sometimes the one in FW04 dies on its own, but usually ya have to punch it. That one is intended but somewhat harder cuz less space

[narrow condor]

You can punch a cyberdemon to death without berserk if you can paralyse it and leave a paperweight on the mouse button.

[azure nimbus]

That map has a secret fight that is only accessible from the starting room, so you can't do it with any guns. All you get is berserk. Have to defeat a handful of revs, knights, imps, pinkys, pains, and the cyber

one day I want to do that but idk, it's pretty hard lol

[torn pivot]

Doom: E2M8: Tower of Babel (UV-Fast ,100%) (Crispy Doom)
https://youtu.be/Lr3WP-z4nns

[wraith gyro]

I've been checking out mods for a while but im just getting into them

So...Can someone give me some WAD recommendations?
I've been playing The Ultimate Torment & Torture, RuinBros, Ashes2063, AAliens, Pirate Doom and Dystopia 3 recently

[eternal parcel]

Just finished doom one cant wait for doom two to come out

[wraith gyro]

oh boy do I have the game for you

[eternal parcel]

What do you work Id software do you have early access to doom two

[wraith gyro]

and even better...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doom_3

[eternal parcel]

Dear god it’s true it’s no longer 1993 it was nearly new year what happened

What have you done!

[wraith gyro]

?

[eternal parcel]

How have you transported me to a different time

A different realm

[wraith gyro]

dude be straight up rping in the DOOM Discord

lmao

[eternal parcel]

I will rain hell fire upon you

[sick mist]

[wraith gyro]

yikes

[narrow condor]

If Doom 2 is so good, how come there's no Doom 2 2?

[finite crag]

doom 1 is waaaaay better than doom 2

oh so i can do this

[azure nimbus]

based on those, I think you'd like eviternity and struggle antaresian legacy(or reliquary if that looks cooler to you)

[wraith gyro]

Oh yeah, I haven't finished any of these but the mod hoarding is so addictive I can't stop

And I want more...

[wraith gyro]

I'll check them out, thanks!

[sick mist]

Jokes on you, there are master levels

[narrow condor]

No, there aren't.

[dapper flint]

Master levels for the win

[sick mist]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/9160/Master_Levels_for_Doom_II/

Steam

Master Levels for Doom II

Introducing the Master Levels for DOOM II. Twenty never-before-seen levels all with the same acid drenched, hell spawned horror of the originals. Each was created by independent designers and supervised by the demented minds of id Software. You might as well forget about seeing the light of day ever again.

Recommendations

566

[narrow condor]

I don't see anything.

[dapper flint]

It's not real it can't hurt you

[azure nimbus]

has anyone done mls on nightmare

[lyric umbra]

doom 2 maps are mid

most of them at least

i hate the shades of brown

[tacit remnant]

Doom 2 maps are a serious mixed bag. Plutonia maps, while not super pretty, have fantastic combat design

[lyric umbra]

i liked the doom 1 e1m1 style techbases

although those arent the best either

[tacit remnant]

Doom 1 has the better level design; Doom 2 has the better cast of demons, which modders made better use of than either official game

[lyric umbra]

yeah

meta doom is a really good wad

[dapper flint]

It's fun for sure. The watergun is a nice touch

[wraith gyro]

What's it like?

I'm WAD hoarding rn and I want to try anything that looks good

[lyric umbra]

it combines lots of features and designs from almost all doom games

[finite crag]

Doom 1 had better music, but my favourite doom songs are in doom 2 and tnt

[lyric umbra]

its a gameplay wad

are tnt and plutonia technically canon

[tacit remnant]

Maybe?

[lyric umbra]

like for example the ssg has a meathook

[wraith gyro]

DOOM I is peak music-wise in old shcool DOOM

[wraith gyro]

that's enough for me

so fucking cool

[lyric umbra]

and the hell knight isnt just a weaker baron

and looks like the modern version

[wraith gyro]

nice!

[finite crag]

In doomguy's story, no. It happened to a different "hero"

[lyric umbra]

and you can punch with e or smth like that and it gives you health

[wraith gyro]

but if its only gameplay, then I should download a different map WAD, right?

[lyric umbra]

oh

[lyric umbra]

yeah

doom 2 the way id did is pretty good for it but thats the only one i have played with it

you should also play chex quest

[wraith gyro]

that's one of my plans

[lyric umbra]

same

i wanna play it but idk how i could get a wad of it

[wraith gyro]

but I haven't finished any WADs since I started modding DOOM, I just play whatever I feel like

[finite crag]

I'm sick of the original doom 2, i tried so many mods, i can't play doom 2's first 6 maps without any things modifying the map and the music

[wraith gyro]

easy, use a time machine and buy lots of Chex

[wraith gyro]

damn that's sad

Imagine not liking DOOM II

[lyric umbra]

i have no motivation to play doom 2 again

its fun and all but i have to play it with mods

it took me so much time and effort to finish

and then i just finished eternal in 2 days

[wraith gyro]

I don't think I've finished it.....

At least not vanilla

nope, not vanilla, not modded

I'm such a fucking disgrace

[lyric umbra]

i beat it on gzdoom so technically not really vanilla because i never pistol started after dying since it gives you your weapons back

[finite crag]

I don't hate it, but i played it so many times i'm sick of it

[lyric umbra]

yeah

[wraith gyro]

I tried using Crispy but it was supper glitched, don't know why

[finite crag]

PrBoom+ and DSDA-doom are the best i think

[lyric umbra]

i own doom 1 on switch

[wraith gyro]

I don't think I've finished any classic DOOM

[finite crag]

Gzdoom tooks away many of the vanilla experiences

[wraith gyro]

Wait I think I used that one instead of crispy my bad

[lyric umbra]

(it still hasnt given me the eternal skin for it tho)

[finite crag]

I finished doom 1 episode 1-3, doom2, and i'm at map21 in TNT

[lyric umbra]

but i got doom 1 for free on pc because doom eternal has a wad for it in its files for the unlockable doom wad in that mancave

[wraith gyro]

yup, prboom+ gave me a shitload of glitches in Ultimate DOOM and DOOM II

don't know why tho

[finite crag]

I didn't have problems with it

[wraith gyro]

nice, once I get it working decently I'll try finishing everything vanilla

[finite crag]

If it gave you glitches then try DSDA doom

I heard its really good but i can't leave PRBoom+

[wraith gyro]

can I show you in VC real quick? I won't talk, I just want to show u how funky it is

[finite crag]

Send me pics, i can't join VC, there are a lot of people around me rn

[wraith gyro]

aight

[lyric umbra]

thats my name

[finite crag]

Do you like doom 2 map20, 26 music? I don't know it's name

[tacit remnant]

I like the music overall, but there’s a few tracks that feel mismatched with the level they’re put in, for example Mt Erebus has a really high energy track despite being one of the slower, more exploration focused levels

[wraith gyro]

@finite crag I can't send you anything lol, you can only receive things from friends and you're not accepting friend requests lol

and I cant paste the pics here

for some reason

[finite crag]

give me a sec

[wraith gyro]

aight

[finite crag]

Now you can send it

Hey guys!

Hey

[finite crag]

You can send me pics now

[wraith gyro]

I'm trying but Clyde won't let me

the stupid bastard

but imagine the sprites being multiplied everytime I move

[finite crag]

Ohh, i know what it's like

I encountered it once

[wraith gyro]

ep

DOOM II works just fine I think

[finite crag]

Not in boom, but i think in zdoom

I encountered it in regular zdoom

I never used gzdoom

I tried a billion sourceports

And ended up at PrBoom+

[lilac dragon]

What do you guys think of tnt?

[finite crag]

It's a really good IWAD. Most of it's maps are average, it only has 2 very shitty maps, and much more good maps, and when tnt is good, it's really fcking good. MAP20 is my favourite map in TNT.

[lilac dragon]

I really like tnt.

despite its flaws/

I really like its attempts at trying to make realistic levels.

[finite crag]

The problem is that because MAP22 and 25 bring down it's overall rating so much

If that tunnel section wouldn't been added to habitat...

[lilac dragon]

Is that what habitat is so hated?

[finite crag]

Yeah

[lilac dragon]

Cause of the tunnel section?

[finite crag]

I didn't play it yet, but i know of it

I'm at map21

[tacit remnant]

I remember TNT just feeling lacking. I think it’s mostly something about the combat

[lilac dragon]

I know that there is a risk of getting the no more plats error in vanilla doom.

[finite crag]

And i heard about Mount Pain

[lilac dragon]

That one has that big hall section.

[finite crag]

I'm at map21, i don't know what to expect, i'm a bit afraid of it

People say it's really hard

[lilac dragon]

That level is mostly just confusing to navigate

[finite crag]

Do you like map20?

[lilac dragon]

Yes.

[finite crag]

It's may favourite

The music adds so much to it

Like you're getting closer to hell

[lilac dragon]

That is another thing I like about tnt.

The music.

[finite crag]

I love map08, map27 and map30 music

[lilac dragon]

Same here.

That track along with map04 and map29 is my fav in tnt.

[finite crag]

It plays in map13 too

I think i go to sleep

Goodnight

[lilac dragon]

Night.

[vocal summit]

why is doom 2 gone from the google play store?

[dapper flint]

So is doom

[vocal summit]

no doom is there

actually probably because i bought it

why is doom 2 gone tho? it was a good port

[dapper flint]

I don't see doom on my end or doom 2

[spice radish]

Maybe it was removed from wherever you live? I still see it
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/926326228280025098/1090783830132129793/image.png?width=1260&height=419

[vocal summit]

strange

no they definetly delisted it

https://www.reddit.com/r/Doom/comments/120pr8r/did_the_original_doom_games_got_removed_from/

but why?

is it a region thing? was it so they could drive more people to mighty doom?

[finite crag]

delta touch

[vocal summit]

i already have delta touch lmao

first thing i installed on this phone

[atomic dust]

not saying it’s bad, but honestly, I don’t find Classic Doom’s level design as great as people make it out to be. it’s so confusing and maze-like that I sometimes have to watch walkthroughs just to know where I was supposed to go

[azure nimbus]

it's a skill you build as you go and frankly, newer levels are somewhat more navigable imo.Community content is where it's at

[finite crag]

classic doom is a little maze like but at least there's stuff to kill usually

unlike the walking sections of modern doom

[vocal summit]

i've never seen many compliment doom's level design

it's all about the gameplay

[azure nimbus]

Really? Especially new stuff, level design is good

[dapper flint]

I'm from Canada. Ita completely gone

[spice radish]

What is DeHacked? I'm curious I've seen it talked about on the modding scene and wanted to know what it does exactly.

[finite crag]

1 did anyone play Sigil on UV+? Is it low on ammo like UV is? Yeah it’s more ammo but it’s also more enemies so.

2 did anyone play Tnt or Plutonia on Chocolate? I’m afraid coz both use huge distances, the low res will be too hard to see what’s going on. I love sniping chaingunners with rockets lol

[dapper flint]

I've been summoned

You get more ammo but you'll never be to ammo rich because of the more things to shoot. There were times I ran out

[finite crag]

Sigil on UV kinda suqqed coz of no ammo. I couldn’t even kill the final bosses I just ran past them 🙄 how anti climactic

[dapper flint]

It's alot easier if you get them to infight

[finite crag]

I can never get that to work lol

[dapper flint]

I completed all of sigil uv plus 100 percent pistol start no saves its on my channel if you ever want to check it out

[finite crag]

Meth, not even once I might watch it

[dapper flint]

True I had something to prove or something back then

[gentle compass]

It's a great challenge to aspire to, and not too impossible to pull off, you become a great player in the process

[dapper flint]

That is very true. Nothing wrong with pushing yourself

[gentle compass]

It's like I tell everyone who starts wanting to duel or get good at multiplayer stuff

Everyone starts somewhere

Same with single player, you ain't gonna be the next Zero Master or KingDime overnight

[dapper flint]

I had someone comment on one of my videos that I was a wanna be zero master

[gentle compass]

I don't see anything wrong with wanting to be good at the game

[finite crag]

Just finished Knee Deep, Chocolate, UV

[coarse cradle]

Cool

[finite crag]

I’ve beaten it on the Steam version on UV but wanted to play 🍫

[dense plinth]

I usually just play GZDoom

while Chocolate Doom offers a very authentic experience, GZDoom can emulate it if you tweak the settings a lot

[finite crag]

I’ll need something else when I’m ready to get wads, but I have to finish all the “official add ons” on the Steam version first and that’ll be a while

[narrow condor]

FWIW, all the "add-ons" (save for NRFTL) are available on /idgames just as any other published mappack.

[finite crag]

Playing Shores now
The Shores of Chocolate
I love Deimos so much idk why it’s a less popular chapter

[finite crag]

Oh I know, they’re all free fan releases. But why mess with doing it manually when I don’t have to?

[narrow condor]

Well, you'll get used to doing for the next thousand wads that way.

[finite crag]

how do I tell Chocolate which wad to play? People say “use command to set the wad” … how do I do that

[narrow condor]

Run the executable with the arguments -iwad followed by the path to the iwad and -file followed by the path to the pwad.

[finite crag]

How do I “run an executable with arguments”

[narrow condor]

What OS are you using?

[finite crag]

Windows 10

[narrow condor]

Launch cmd.exe and navigate to the directory the executable is in, then enter chocolate-doom -iwad DOOM2.WAD -file whatever.wad

Assuming the wads are in a place where it can find them.

If the mappack comes with a Dehacked file, append -deh whatever.deh to that.

[finite crag]

I'm doing that, it's not working. Just trying to launch TNT as a test. I'm typing chocolate-doom -iwad TNT.WAD and it says

C:\Users\ghula>chocolate-doom -iwad TNT.WAD
'chocolate-doom' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file.

[narrow condor]

Did you navigate to the directory first?

[finite crag]

yes I did "dir" command

[narrow condor]

dir lists files, it doesn't change the working directory.

[finite crag]

oh, how do I do that then

[narrow condor]

Isn't there a right click option in Windows Explorer like "open cmd window here"?

Or shift + right-click maybe. In the target directory.

I think you can also type cmd in the address bar of Explorer for the same effect.

I know it's annoying to cd to a deeply nested subdirectory in Windows.

Maybe someone else can chime in with up-to-date information because I barely touched Windows since XP.

[finite crag]

THAT worked. thanks soooo much

[narrow condor]

Yay!

You can also put that command in a batch file in the same directory and edit it each time you want to play a different wad.

Probably less of a hassle than dealing with cmd.

[finite crag]

how do I make a batch file?

sorry I never did this stuff

[narrow condor]

Create a text file, put that command in it and save it, rename the file to something like "chocolate.bat".

Running that file should have the same effect as manually entering that command in that directory.

[finite crag]

taht isn't working, but I know a method that does work so thanks.

gonna sleep now it's 4am in CST lmao

[narrow condor]

Don't forget to run Chocolate Doom's setup program to adjust the options to your liking.

And rest well.

[vocal summit]

doom and doom ii, the originals

[vale gyro]

just for a full on explanation from a guy who refuses to use ZDL when I rarely used GZDoom and who used to make games with batch files:

In the directory of your chocolate doom files, make a text document, and make sure you turn on file extensions in the View tab of file explorer (I think that setting is there, can’t remember). Next, rename the file to foo.bat (foo is just a placeholder), and make sure you delete the .txt file extension of the file. Open up the file and type in what you’d usually put into the Windows command line (ex. chocolate-doom -iwad DOOM2.wad -file foo.wad -deh bar.deh) , save the file, then run it.

I know this is useless, but just kinda want to give some help for when you ever decide to use this method

||oh my lord I have found at least 5 errors within 2 minutes after writing that..||

[placid vortex]

What’s peoples opinions on doom exp

[coarse cradle]

What's doom exp again

[placid vortex]

Look up the mod, it adds a lot of features and makes it more rpg-esque

[coarse cradle]

sounds nice

[placid vortex]

It adds the marauder, dual wielding pistols and even the meat hook

Incendiary rounds, chaingun shield

Glory killing

Doomblade

[coarse cradle]

sounds like an eternal mod for doom 1993 if you ask me

sounds very cool

[placid vortex]

Not sure how the whole rpg part works

I don’t play classic doom really

The only time I have is on my Xbox

[placid vortex]

Who here plays lithium

[vast reef]

it's in my mod folder but i haven't touched in

[placid vortex]

Mm

I feel like I would like doom mods that aren’t like original doom

[vast reef]

go play sunlust

👍

[torn pivot]

Doom 2: The Crusher - Atari Jaquar - RomHack -(Calico-v2, PC port)
https://youtu.be/oBTma-hzI-w

[placid vortex]

Can’t

[vast reef]

i think most people who've beaten final doom can handle the easier sunlust levels

[placid vortex]

My pc doesn’t work

[vast reef]

how are you able to play mods but unable to play sunlust

[placid vortex]

Haven’t

[vast reef]

oh

[vast reef]

ah

the wad skill progression thread is pretty subjective but it's a good enough resource

[placid vortex]

I would like to play gzdoom and such things

It’s not a matter of performance

[azure nimbus]

there's pirate doom and enter the mapwich2 that are pretty interesting for gz. I'm not a big gz player but even I played some levels from those

[placid vortex]

My mom has to remove admin perms from the pc bc I can’t download anything

[elfin cloud]

Hello i speak spanish

I from Perú

[vast reef]

play god complex 👍

[placid vortex]

Okay

[vast reef]

it still feels unfair a lot of the time but dear god is it still more balanced than CF

[placid vortex]

What wad skill progression thread d you mean

[vast reef]

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/107015-wad-progression-for-skill-improvement/

[placid vortex]

What is cf

I don’t know anything about anything lol

I’ve barely even played base game

[vast reef]

complex clusterfuck (the CF stands for clusterfuck), a mod for doom that combines a shit ton of complex doom add-ons to, well, make a clusterfuck

complex doom is fun but balance and feature creep are the primary problems imo
i always have fun for a bit, but some bad RNG is all it takes to end up with 200 resets

it plays nothing like og doom because it defenestrates simplicity, runs it over with a tank, and drops several atomic bombs on it, but it's a mod, so i don't really care

[azure nimbus]

military tank

[vast reef]

el stupido

perdon

[thorny hemlock]

What are some fun slaughter type WADs?

[vast reef]

been having fun with micro slaughter recently

[strange birch]

Does ultimate doom on steam have the wads needed for every mod

[forest zodiac]

Yeah

[narrow condor]

Ultimate Doom as in what's titled 'DOOM (1993)' on Steam?

[forest zodiac]

Yeah

[narrow condor]

Then no.

You should get Doom 2 as well, since most wads are based on the Doom 2 iwad, rather than the (Ultimate) Doom one.

[spice radish]

No. Most mods are designed with Doom II in mind. The only real exception to this are the add-ons that come with the game on Steam

[azure nimbus]

like sigil

[finite crag]

Do you guys like scythe 1?

[tacit remnant]

It’s all right

[finite crag]

In scythe 2 i'm at map12, and scythe 2 is the only wad i play in a single segment so far (outside the iwads), because if i play in a single segment, i don't need to start episode 4 with a pistol start if i play the secret levels

[ornate vortex]

Scythe II is easily better than Scythe

but imo i think both are notorious and great

erik alm has a soft spot for me

[dapper flint]

Definitely prefer 1 also

[finite crag]

yes it has the add-ons, including TNT and Plutonia

[fickle patrol]

guys to be honest

i dont think brutal doom is a actual good mod

ik ik, it gives more actions and blood, but it removes doom's feels

[tacit remnant]

Agreed. It adds a bunch of unnecessary complexity to a game that thrives on being simple

[vast reef]

brutal doom's main problem imo is that it's... boring

all it does is power up your weapons, make the enemies a tiny bit more menacing, and disrupts the game's balancing in the process

[tacit remnant]

And adds more gore that looks really out of place due to being animated differently

[vast reef]

you could be playing any other weapon or enemy mod like supercharge or demonsteele or even something like the dio mod with some buffed enemies

brutal doom isn't even that effective of a power fantasy considering stuff like codename demolitionist and hell crusher with its chaingun that kills the cyber in a few seconds exist

[vast reef]

yup

i prefer nashgore honestly

[fickle patrol]

i think addons like smoth doom gives a better feel for the game

[vast reef]

i love the smooth doom weapons but the enemies always feel janky

[tacit remnant]

I’m kinda of the opinion that mods tend to fix problems that weren’t even problems.

[vast reef]

tbf most mods start with ideas

[fickle patrol]

idk, they feel normal, just with more smooth anims just like weapons

[vast reef]

i've realized that the "doesn't feel like the og game" is an invalid argument when it comes to mod discussion because mods aren't being asked to be like the original game

would TC mods be bad then

[fickle patrol]

i think mods act better in .wads

btw, yall know places to find addons?

zdoom forum cant find much stuff

[tacit remnant]

The YouTube channel “Dean of Doom” reviews a different wad every month. That would be a good starting point

[vast reef]

yep

if you want gameplay mods, go for icaruslives

[fickle patrol]

ok ty

[dapper flint]

Gz doom. It's in the game

[placid vortex]

So what is gz and zdoom

Ok so the base is zdoom

So what’s with gzdoom mods

Why not just on zdoom

[tacit remnant]

IIRC GZDoom is a variant designed for lower end PCs. I may be misremembering though

[dapper flint]

That's ironic since theyre gz maps and wads now that require a fucking 3080 lol

[finite crag]

Use chocolate doom 🍫 🍫 🍫

[placid vortex]

But I want gzdoom mods

Wait I need to buy doom

[finite crag]

Oh idk I never used those

[finite crag]

Yes, you still need the game files which you put into the source port

[placid vortex]

Guys please I am so clueless😭

[dapper flint]

You need doom 2 it's wad and gzdoom source port. You can drop themod into gz but zdl works too

[placid vortex]

Can I get it free legally

[dapper flint]

No

[finite crag]

The modern releases of Doom 1 and 2 (example for Steam) have a decent amount of built in mods