classic-doom

[finite crag]

Doom 64 is really good it's a shame a pc port was never made earlier on

Well
Not an official one at least

[slow gazelle]

Hey guys I made a WAD, could someone play test the first level?

[thin needle]

Can I run doom on my eye?

Just a question

[coarse cradle]

Yall it is just me or is classic doom harder than doom eternal

[vast reef]

depends

[coarse cradle]

Might be cuz I'm playing doom on ultra violence while I'm playing doom eternal on hurt me plenty

[vast reef]

i think top-tier difficulty slaughter wads can outclass DE but i haven't played DE nor am i good enough at classic doom to play those top-tier difficulty laughter wads

have you looked at any community content?

[coarse cradle]

Oh nah the difference is that I'm playing the original one and still struggling

[coarse cradle]

No cuz I can't really mod anyway on the switch

[vast reef]

ik i promote it way too much but i feel like new players don't really realize that classic doom is sort of like geometry dash in the way that community levels tend to be what most fans play

definitely not recommending skipping the IWADs tho

[vast reef]

ah

[coarse cradle]

Does seem really fun but I do have a few add ons for the switch

[azure nimbus]

The IWADS are mostly fine and I do think it's important to have some frame of reference to start with, but community content has defined doom

[vast reef]

yes

tbh some of my friends kept trying to get into doom but it never clicked until they asked me what level i was playing and i said it was going down map05

they actually beat going down all the way through

[hexed escarp]

The switch version included a bunch of community map sets as addons

[coarse cradle]

Yeah ik

[hexed escarp]

Some of them are really good

[coarse cradle]

Yeah they're cool fr fr

[hexed escarp]

Plutonia is really hard but also fun

So if you are up for a challenge, try that

[coarse cradle]

I'm not I'd prob die to an imp there

Matter of fact I haven't play it in awhile since I was stuck in a room with a Baron of fucking hell

[hexed escarp]

You would actually be more likely to die to a revenant because there are almost as many of them as there are imps in plutonia

[coarse cradle]

yes,that's my save file

[coarse cradle]

Wait it adds doom 2 enemies to doom 1??

[hexed escarp]

Plutonia is a doom 2 addon

[coarse cradle]

Oh well I don't got doom 2

[hexed escarp]

But the nerve version let's you play doom 2 addons in doom 1

[coarse cradle]

Thought I would start from the start so

[hexed escarp]

(nerve version is the one on consoles and steam)

The best doom 1 addon on there is probably sigil

[vast reef]

they're on switch

but they have a PC

which can definitely run doom

[hexed escarp]

👎👎👎👎

Don't be a thief

It is quite literally against the rules of this discord

[narrow condor]

Doom 2 isn't shareware.

Only Doom 1 had a shareware version.

[hexed escarp]

There isn't a shareware version of doom 2

[narrow condor]

Software uploads on Archive.org are a legally grey zone. Not exactly piracy but whether it constitutes fair use depends on what you do with it.

[hexed escarp]

Wdym not exactly piracy

[narrow condor]

But then again, I'm not your mum, so do what you like. Bethesda wouldn't go bankrupt if it doesn't receive three dollars. It's just the discussion would be against the rules of this server.

[hexed escarp]

It's literally piracy

[narrow condor]

Archive.org is about software conservation rather than piracy. They've had the Doom games ever since they were abandonware (ie during the interval when it wasn't possible to purchase Doom legally).

It's less acceptable now that it's commercially available again though.

[hexed escarp]

Ah

[narrow condor]

There's also the case that, with abandonware and things like console game ROMs, there's an unstated assumption that although distributing it would not be legal, obtaining it wouldn't be considered copyright infringement if you've paid for it in the first place.

But everything depends on jurisdiction and it's covered in grey areas and I'm not a lawyer, so don't listen to me.

[sick mist]

[narrow condor]

I can explain... 😰

[coarse cradle]

[dapper flint]

[torpid blaze]

how do i use zdl

[spice radish]

On the right side is where you put IWADs (Doom, Doom II, Doom 64, Hexen, Heretic etc.) It’s also where you put your source port of choice. On the left is where you put the WAD or mod you want to play.

You can also combine mods and WADs by adding multiple at once

Pretty sure ZDL only works for games that use IWADs so games like Quake aren’t supported

[latent lotus]

Anyone know what the update was for DOOM/DOOM 2?

[torpid blaze]

thank you

[echo tundra]

I think they just added more to the add-ons if you're on console

[hexed escarp]

HOW THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO BEAT THIS FUCKING ARMY OF ARCHVILES BULLSHIT TRAP YELLOW KEY DUMBASS ROOM IN ANAGNORISIS

it feels fully rng dependent and impossible

Ok, now that I have calmed down, I apologize for the profanity

That just made me really angry

[cloud talon]

Average doom wad

[craggy bone]

If you haven't beaten it yet, ||stay in the room at the end with the pillars and the rocket launcher and fire rockets through the windows as they open||

Really cool room imo but it does feel quite bullshit before you figure out the strategy haha

[hexed escarp]

I tried this and its still garbage

[craggy bone]

Just gotta keep trying it until you win, I guess 😂

There's no other way to survive

[finite crag]

What map your playing?

I swear i prefer archviles beating the crap outta me instead of chaingunners

Hunted from plutonia caused me to feel like 2 archviles ain't enough

[hexed escarp]

Anagnorisis

Eviternity map32

[craggy bone]

banger map

but it's like 3 hours long lol

[hexed escarp]

yeah but that doesnt intimidate me

since im using saves, im just sorta viewing it as a long adventure instead of one level

[hexed escarp]

for me, there are two main issues im having

1. the rockets clip the sides of the pillars causing an unexpected face rocket which is infuriating
2. when both doors open at once i have trouble figuring out where to be to not get zapped but stil be able to shoot things

[craggy bone]

number one is pretty annoying yeah

[hexed escarp]

also there is a slight delay on firing rockets

[craggy bone]

for number two, there's a spot between the pillars behind where you grabbed the rocket launcher that blocks line of sight from both windows iirc

[hexed escarp]

so i sometimes shoot and then run back after

and end up face rocketing

most of these are probably just skill issue tho

il get it eventually

IDIDIT

lmao ammo imbalance tho, i have nearly 600 cells, 50 rockets, 147 bullets, and 4 shells lmao

[craggy bone]

Anagnorisis is really open, so it's impossible to balance ammo properly I guess lol

[hexed escarp]

yeah

you have no idea which weapons the player has at any given point

[tepid tulip]

Gonna try out that Space Cats Saga mod

Seems to be very chock full of stuff

[hexed escarp]

Does anybody know a doom wad where the title screen or cover art or smthn is a burning city being taken over by hell?

I saw smthn about it somewhere and I can’t remember what it’s called and it’s really annoying

The fact that I can’t find it is driving me slightly crazy

The name was one word long iirc

And I think it was at least a bit slaughtery

[tepid tulip]

TNT Evilution I enjoy

Maybe someday I'll also play Revilution that soundtrack slaps

[narrow condor]

That does sound quite familiar.

[finite crag]

what do you need help with?

[finite crag]

"Umpf"

[sleek hornet]

Do you know any goods WAD that are short and original ? Like Overboard for exemple ?

[narrow condor]

Intergalactic Xenology and its sequel

They're both very high-quality and only five maps each.

Rowdy Rudy has 11 maps, Rowdy Rudy 2 has 22 and Ray Mohawk has 6.

All three are very good and surprisingly intricate for vanilla wads.

Antaresian Reliquary has 8 but I don't remember much about it, though I think I enjoyed it.

That's all I can think of now.

[ornate vortex]

Tangerine Nightmare is a fantastic short wad to play

It's way better in october, since the palette and the sprite changes fit a halloween kind of theme

It's about 8 maps, (not including the secret map)

But I must admit, TN does get pretty tough towards the end

and the secret map is no joke lol

[dapper flint]

You can also try hour maps. Lullaby is a must for the visuals and midi

[gaunt yacht]

doom 2 better ngl

[brisk hemlock]

How would you disable vertical mouse look in gz doom?

[sick mist]

Disable Freelook in Options > Gameplay

[narrow condor]

I never finished Lullaby because my PC couldn't handle it at the time. I should give it another try.

[dapper flint]

Absolutely!

[ornate vortex]

Would anyone recommend me Combat Shock 2?

I’ve heard it’s tough, but I don’t really know if it’s above my skill level in terms of uv maxing it

[kindred acorn]

Hola

[warped kelp]

Yo guys

Is Doom 1993 easy to platinum

[narrow condor]

What does that mean?

[warped kelp]

Like all trophies for the game

[restive jetty]

Hi, I never played DOOM and wanna try the game. I like turning off my brain and killing everything that moves.
I want to play the vanilla version first for the game experience.

So, should I buy DOOM in GOG or Steam ? Could I play in 1080@60 ?

[hexed escarp]

whats the best way to deal with the orange building in anagnorisis

[hexed escarp]

buy it on steam, steam comes with a reworked version that runs at higher resolutions and framerates so you would be able to play 1080p60

alternatively there are fanmade versions called source ports that are closer to the original engine than that but still allow for higher framerates, and if you want to use one of those, still get the steam version because you need to take the game file out of that to use them

if you want recommendations for source ports lmk

[restive jetty]

Yes, I hear PrBoom+ is good for vanilla experience but I don't know if it's the 'real' vanilla.

[hexed escarp]

yeah thats a good one

and its hard to define 'real' vanilla

there are sorta levels

chocolate doom is the closest you can come to real vanilla on modern windows

but that is 240p 30fps

[hexed escarp]

prboom+ is the closest you can get to vanilla and still have 1080p60

it is fully vanilla demo compatible

[restive jetty]

what is vanilla demo ?

[hexed escarp]

which means gameplay is indistinguishable (demos recorded here playback on vanilla without desyncing and vice versa)

but i would recommend dsda-doom, it is a fork of prboom plus that is exactly the same just adds some extra features

[restive jetty]

Oh I see

For my first playthrough, I would not add any extra features ^^

[hexed escarp]

but yes, buy on steam, you can take out the .wad file and load it into any source ports

[hexed escarp]

yeah dsda works great for that

it doesnt force any features on you and is still vanilla demo compatible, but you just have more options

[restive jetty]

So I have to buy DOOM 1993 right ?

[hexed escarp]

correct

then you navigate to the steam game folder, then take DOOM.WAD and put it in your dsda-doom folder

[restive jetty]

Good, thanks very much that was very helpful

[hexed escarp]

no problem

[restive jetty]

Excuse my english I'm french lol

(french people are bad in english)

[hexed escarp]

i didnt even notice :)

[restive jetty]

Thanks chat GPT haha

[hexed escarp]

wait actually?

[restive jetty]

Not now, just for that

Hi, I never played DOOM and wanna try the game. I like turning off my brain and killing everything that moves.
I want to play the vanilla version first for the game experience.

[hexed escarp]

ah cool

one last thing, dsda and prboom have something called compatibility levels, which determine what version of doom they are compatible with, if you want full vanilla compatible, go into the config file and change default_compatibility_level to 3

[restive jetty]

Oh good to know thanks !

[hexed escarp]

np

[restive jetty]

I'm gonna buy the Classic complete. I don't know if it's good

[hexed escarp]

on steam? if so, yeah thats good, you will also get doom 2, doom 3, and doom 64

[restive jetty]

Oh okay, it is worth it ?

[hexed escarp]

doom 2 is great

more of the same as doom 1 but with some new monsters

and much bigger levels, but the exact same engine

doom 3 is very different from the others

[coarse cradle]

And ofc it has the revenant. Doot.

[hexed escarp]

its more of a horror game
doom 64 is similar to doom 2 but less well known but its supposed to be pretty good

doom 2 is def worth it because the majority of custom classic doom maps are made for it

doom 64 and doom 3 tho, its up to you really, they are less known and popular than the others, but they are pretty good

[coarse cradle]

I feel like doom 64 has slight horror aspects too maybe cuz it's kinda darker

[hexed escarp]

yeah

but doom 3 is full on dark shadow corridors jumpscares type of thing

[restive jetty]

Thanks for information. I just bought it

[hexed escarp]

cool! have fun :)

[restive jetty]

Yeah thanks

[hexed escarp]

no problem

[restive jetty]

I don't still understand what the point of recording demo. I read few post on reddit, doom forums, youtube etc.

Finally, maybe I understand I guess

[hexed escarp]

basically, a demo is a file that contains all of the buttons that you pressed while playing, and it allows someone to load it and basically watch you play the game

its an alternative to recording a video

it is most often used to prove that speedruns happened

[restive jetty]

That's what I though. I just watch a video about that. Thanks

[fluid lion]

Guys...

I can not beat scythe 2

Even on HMP

Can you guys help me, i'm on map 27

[dapper flint]

What's the issue

[restive jetty]

Should I set video mode to software or opengl for dsda-doom ?

[dapper flint]

Software. Because it's the best

[restive jetty]

Okay thanks

Do you play with autorun and strafe ?

[tepid tulip]

Honestly very good option bc Doom 1+2, 3 and 64 are all good in their own rights

I haven't played the actual Doom 64 or 3 but I would like to try them eventually

[restive jetty]

Yeah I bought it to get the wads and play vanilla the most possible with dsda

I found 'doom_wide.wad' and put it in autoload folder to get the original status bar, because my status bar is ugly and green on the left and right side.

[azure nimbus]

opengl if you're on the newer versions (0.25 and up. if you're on the indexed lighting mode, it will be identical to software but run faster except for better looking spectres. if you're on an older version, software is better

idk what you mean by playing with strafe. I use the strafe key for sr50. I do use auto run and most everyone does

[ornate vortex]

I personally use opengl

because software on my computer doesn’t run that well

[narrow condor]

The only time I had problems with hardware rendering was when I had buggy video drivers.

Moving sprites would leave green chunks of buffer artefacts behind them with each frame.

(Vulkan on GZDoom)

Though updating the driver fixed that.

[dapper flint]

It looks off in dsda personally. I'd just use gz at that point

[thin needle]

Opinions on freedoom?

?

[coarse cradle]

[forest zodiac]

pretty good for what it is

I remember when the Arch-Vile replacement was just a red skeleton with a sword lmao

[vast reef]

freedoom is for broke people

on a serious note though, it's cool ig

haven't beaten anything past the first episode of freedoom 1 and the first 4 levels of freedoom 2

[forest zodiac]

the Revenant replacement looks short but it's meant to fit with the entity's actual in-game height

which is shorter than the original sprite

[random radish]

Anyone know any good doom ports for extremely low end PCs? other than FastDoom, because the instructions on the Github page just aren't clear enough.

[forest zodiac]

LZDoom

unless your PC is even lower end than that

[random radish]

I'm talking about sub 1ghz cpu here. Not my PC btw

[forest zodiac]

yikes

I have no clue then

[random radish]

I want to know cause I'm making a PC build that is better than the best 486 you could buy, but also not a modern PC

[vast reef]

crispy doom?

[random radish]

a 90s gamer build is what I'm talking about

[vast reef]

ohhh

[random radish]

Too many engine advancements

[forest zodiac]

maybe just regular-ass Chocolate then

[vast reef]

or just, the straight-up executable maybe

fastdoom's the only port i know of that does what it does

i think you just run fdsetup?

[random radish]

I mean, FastDoom is the best option here. But the instructions are just unclear to me. I just don't know what to do

[vast reef]

also

[random radish]

AND I was thinking if FastDoom could be played on DOSBOX so I can try it out myself first

[vast reef]

if it's better than a 486 i think you can just run the og executable

[random radish]

alright I get it.

[vast reef]

you got the instructions for fastdoom?

[random radish]

nope. They are really unclear

but I still want to run FastDoom

I don't know what any of this means
"1. Install Open Watcom C version 2.0
2. Install NASM
3. Install DOS/32A
4. Add Watcom's bin folder (binnt on Windows, binw on DOS) to the PATH.
5. Run makeall.bat"

I don't even know what half of this stuff means

And sadly there is no step-by-step video on youtube to help

[vast reef]

hmm

[random radish]

People just know

[vast reef]

i'll try setting it up at some point

since i know what nasm and dos/32a are

[random radish]

Just to be clear.

1. I want to install it in DOSBOX so I can try it myself first.
2. I'm having trouble with the instructions

those are the only things to just keep in mind

[random radish]

The instructions have just doubled in the amount of unclear

What am I supposed to do with the ZIP?

do I just put it in the DOSDOOM Directory? or do I put the WADS in there and have to do stuff with that?

I am extremely confused

[restive jetty]

Thank you

[hexed escarp]

where can i get a bfg in eviternity map32?

[dapper flint]

Yikes haha that's a beast of a map

[hexed escarp]

im serious, where can i find a bfg

ive gone through most of the areas except the red building and the last area

and i cant find one

[dapper flint]

Apparently there is 2 I remember needing one for the last fight

[hexed escarp]

where do i find it

[dapper flint]

https://imgur.com/a/xtIcjCw

@hexed escarp here's one

[hexed escarp]

thank you

[dapper flint]

No worries

[waxen zealot]

Man, just started a NM 100%S run of Ultimate Doom, E1M3 and E1M9 clapped me hard

[tepid tulip]

Is it normal to feel overwhelmed in slaughter-like maps

For context, I am playing Space Cats Saga and despite the weapons being pretty solid and strong, I won't lie and say I kinda crack a bit under pressure in those types of arenas

Maybe it's a mix of having lack of expertise in that area as well as getting used to the space of the environment

I am however having a lot of fun and not out of steam in spite of all this

I just want some feedback or advice I guess in general

[vale gyro]

As a person who has (in my knowledge) not have played any slaughtermaps

I think it’s probably normal to feel overwhelmed

[tepid tulip]

Fighting demons in the high 500s-900s per map can be a bit tiring or draining but tbh at the same time I feel damn good beating it

At least it isn't all in one room

I feel like episode 2 of that wad I'm playing will heat up immensely

[spice radish]

yeah the point is for them to be crammed with demons so feeling overwhelmed is probably the normal reaction

[azure nimbus]

no. most people feel the resolve of a demigod when their sound system crackles at the scream of 1000 revs being revealed at once. these are hard maps. It's ok

[tepid tulip]

Well at least I don't feel so bad save scumming some tough parts of that total conversion

But it felt damn good

[atomic dust]

I can remember playing Plutonia when I wasn't really good at Classic Doom, quite a few sections literally made me rage

especially that ending of map 9. you are getting attacked by Mancubus, Imps and Chaingunners everywhere

[torn pivot]

https://youtu.be/HQnscLJqg1s

[hexed escarp]

ah yeah, that room was crazy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gJxFTHeQf0

[dapper flint]

You should see it on uv plus fast

[hexed escarp]

yeah i can imagine

wait doesnt uv plus put a cyberdemon in there?

[hexed escarp]

yeah it does

that would be insane

wait, so in theory, the hardest doom difficulty would be uv plus fast respawn right?

because it would be nm plus, but without double ammo

[dapper flint]

Well nightmare enemies still have faster reactions

[hexed escarp]

than fast?

[narrow condor]

There's a nightmare-specific thing where ranged monsters react instantly and keep shooting at you without moving as long as you're in range.

Aside from fast monsters.

There's a "cooldown" for respawned monsters though; they have to take a certain number of steps before they go turret mode again.

You can enable it in console in other difficulties in GZDoom. (It also lets you enable fast monsters and respawning midgame.)

[fluid lion]

I cant beat it, simply

Extremely difficult map, and i wanted some tips

ON how to beat it

[narrow condor]

Which part of the map are you stuck with?

[restive jetty]

Hi, if I understand correctly, I need to start a new game to replay missions in chapter one ?
(I play with dsdsa for vanilla expierience)

[forest zodiac]

yeah, that's always how classic Doom has worked

[restive jetty]

Oh okay thanks

[azure nimbus]

from the launcher: enter -warp (level number. do not enter leading zeros).

when in game, use the idclev cheat to warp to any map by typing idclev ##(include leading zero) during normal Gameplay

[restive jetty]

Thanks, but I don't know what is idclev cheat

[hexed escarp]

Type the letters “I D C L E V” on your keyboard ingame and then type a map number

If it’s doom 2 you just type the 2 digit map number but if it’s doom 1 it’s episode number and then map number

[restive jetty]

@hexed escarp oh okay thanks.
Should I emable console and cheats in settings ?

[hexed escarp]

Cheats should be enabled by default, and I don’t think dsda has a console

[restive jetty]

I'll trying tomorrow. Thanks very much !

[hexed escarp]

Np

[slate valve]

Hello ! Where is the biggest forum/hub for classic doom wads and modding?

[hexed escarp]

Doomworld

[slate valve]

@hexed escarp Ya I figured, but is there any like lfg type of stuff on there?

[hexed escarp]

Wdym off

Lfg

[hexed escarp]

Wdym lfg

[slate valve]

like looking for either playthrough or deathmatch groups

[hexed escarp]

Ohhh idk

[halcyon willow]

i host weekly coop/deathmatch events

[nimble nest]

90s Doom games on my xbox have an update
Why what is it for

[azure nimbus]

doomworld

[sick mist]

I guess they did, they are gone for me as well

[hexed escarp]

How would I join these

[hexed escarp]

Maybe new addons?

[restive jetty]

Hi, I would like to add D1DEHFIX.DEH and D1DEHFIX.WAD in dsda-doom. DO you know how to do it please ?
I juste have 'autoload' folder with 3 subfolders : all-all - doom.wad - doom-all (I put it doom_wide.wad inside to restore the original status bar for widescreen)

[hexed escarp]

I would recommend either launching using command prompt or using dsda launcher

[restive jetty]

If I use command prompt, should I do it everytime a launch the game ?

[hexed escarp]

Yes

If you would rather not do that, then use dsda launcher

[restive jetty]

So it's boring

I have dsda but it is not a launcher

I run the .exe and the game works, like all steam game

[hexed escarp]

There is a separate thing that someone else made called dsda launcher

[restive jetty]

Maybe you're talking about something like ZDL ?

[hexed escarp]

That opens a window that lets you choose which files to use and then launches dsda

[hexed escarp]

Yeah dsda launcher is basically zdl but made specifically for dsda doom

[restive jetty]

oh I didn't know

I'm gonna try thanks

So I have to add this launche to work with dsda

[hexed escarp]

https://github.com/Pedro-Beirao/dsda-launcher

[restive jetty]

I have to go I come back later, thanks very much

[hexed escarp]

Np

What launcher would you guys recommend for using with woof?

[azure nimbus]

There IS a dsda launcher as well as the dsda engine/port and there is the dsda archive and the dsda discord. it's a lot of things. personally I use ZDL as my launcher though

[azure nimbus]

ZDL. I can only personally vouch for 3-1.1 as the version but I'm sure we others are fine.

[hexed escarp]

Oh cool, I thought that was only for zdoom derivative ports

[forest zodiac]

I use Doom Explorer

[hexed escarp]

I kinda wanna try to make a doom launcher specifically for playing thru dosbox

[restive jetty]

I'm confused I guess. Do you use only ZDL, or you need to add ZDL in dsda root folder to make it works ?

[azure nimbus]

I don't have zdl or dsda in the same folders. To set it up, you item zdl and select the add port feature. then in file explorer, select the dsda engine. From then, any time I open up zdl, I can simply select dsda.. I could conceivably only use the dsda engine without a launcher.

So the purpose of a launcher is to simplify activating the engine but the engine is the thing actually playing the game

[restive jetty]

Oh okay I understand

Thanks

[azure nimbus]

If you don't record demos, play with weird parameters or use mods, there's little reason to use a launcher.

[restive jetty]

Understood!

[hexed escarp]

oh actually there is a way to put deh files in autoload, but its kind of annoying because you have to put them into a wad to make it work

although you coulud try renaming d1dehfix.deh to dehacked.lmp

that might work

[halcyon willow]

I announce them in my server so that's the easiest way to join in. Let me know if you want an invite

[restive jetty]

@hexed escarp thanks, but it'll be easier with dsa launcher I guess

[hexed escarp]

Ok

[hexed escarp]

I would like an invite actually

[halcyon willow]

Done

[restive jetty]

I'm trying dsa launcher but I don't know how it works.
Is there a menu scroll for iWAD and don't know what is iWAD

https://i.imgur.com/tpY8fw3.gif

[ornate vortex]

IWAD I believe is an ID wad

so an official wad

[restive jetty]

So I can't add my DOOM.WAD

[ornate vortex]

Doom.wad would go in the IWAD

same with doom 2, tnt or plutonia

[restive jetty]

If you see the gif, nothing happens when I click on the menu to add iWAD

[ornate vortex]

right, maybe the program can't find the IWADs

[restive jetty]

Oh I have to do it in settings I guess. I'm gonna try

[ornate vortex]

What i did was allocated a file for the wads, so that DSDA would pick up on it

[dapper flint]

I'm still trying to figure out how to make projectiles less transparent in dsda

[restive jetty]

Do you know what is PWAD ?

Like I have patch as .WAD and DEH, and status bar as .WAD

They are PWAD or iWAD ?

[restive jetty]

Fail to launch the application as executable. Make sure that the launcher is in the same folder as dsda-doom.exe

I don't understand this launcher

[dapper flint]

Just use zdl

[restive jetty]

I'm gonna try

Do you have a link ?

I can't find the github

Oh I find it v3.2.2.2

[restive jetty]

I tried dsa launcher and it works.
But to make this status bar 'doom_wide.wad' working, I have to drag it manually in the 'wads' tab in the launcher.
Because when I set the PWADS folder (with doom_wide.wad inside) in settings, it is not recognized and this wad doesn't work in game. I don't know why

[royal heron]

there's a question mark next to the IWAD tab that explains what it's meant for

[restive jetty]

https://i.imgur.com/pwAvkP7.png

I though a wad that is not a IWAD (Ultimate Doom), was a PWAD

[royal heron]

correct

[restive jetty]

So the doom_wide.wad is a PWAD

[royal heron]

i believe in order to access the folders for dsda-launcher you need to click the dsda-doom tab on top of the launcher

o mac it's slightly different but it should do the same thing

nevermind, it's the Advanced tab

[restive jetty]

No it's just for update

[royal heron]

nevermind, it's the Advanced tab

I corrected that

[restive jetty]

Anyway, I use dsda launcher to play on vanilla

When I would like to try map, patch etc I would use another launcher I guess

Thanks for help ^^

[royal heron]

also what does doom_wide do

[restive jetty]

I'm gonna show you wait

Original WAD (without doom_wide) in dsa source port. there is ugly green edges
https://i.imgur.com/Phwq5qc.png

[royal heron]

you can fix that with aspect ratio pretty sure

[restive jetty]

With the doom_wide file
https://i.imgur.com/jnEn5TA.png

Maybe source ports other than dsda have not this issue

[narrow condor]

I just have the HUD bar stretched across the screen. It feels easier to read.

[azure nimbus]

one of the other spots: dsda doom or advanced perhaps will let you search your files for it

[restive jetty]

It does : open IWAD folder, open console, history, export command

'open IWAD' folder only opens 'documents' folder in the windows explorer

[molten iron]

You should put that file on dsda-doom autoload folder. Not on the launcher.

The “PWADSs folders” is only for autoloading wads when you want to play demos. It is not used to add wads on regular play

[restive jetty]

Oh okay thanks. But it works when I drag the files manually on the Wads tab, beside the option tab

[verbal stirrup]

i've been playing doom on my graphing calculator for the authentic, i486-tier, 320x200 experience lol

[hexed escarp]

Wait is the graphing calculator version actually doom? I thought it was more similar to Wolfenstein

[verbal stirrup]

no, it's actually doom

i managed to get it overclocked too

(benchmarked on the water scene that you spawn in e1m1 - goes from 19 fps to 33 fps)

[verbal stirrup]

i mean i suppose it depends on the graphical calculator

are you talking like the one ltt did with the ti 84? cos thats not really doom lol

[torn pivot]

Final Doom - Tnt: Evilution Map 21: Administration Center (UV-100%) [Crispy Doom]
https://youtu.be/D-j80gYxSdQ

[proud pilot]

finally caved and downloaded chocolate doom and i actually really like it 💀
plus the bonus of being able to host multiplayer games more easily

[dapper flint]

Neat

[sturdy harness]

Chocolate doom?

[forest zodiac]

source port that's literally just vanilla on modern platforms

before you ask "why" there's two answers:

1. for the hell of it and the novelty

2. some addons literally exploit vanilla quirks and bugs and will not work on any other source port

[hexed escarp]

ooh

link?

[hexed escarp]

yeah thats the one i was talking about

which calculator were you using

[sturdy harness]

Pinball..?

[sturdy harness]

Ooooooh

[hexed escarp]

in eviternity map32, once i go into the final building, can i come back to collect ammo and stuff that i left behind?

[dull nimbus]

T A M A L E S

[vast reef]

there's also performance

[forest zodiac]

well, yeah, that too

[vast reef]

also it's meant to be an exact simulation of the original DOS experience

[forest zodiac]

yeah

"so why not just use DOSBox instead?" it's way more convenient too

[vast reef]

chocolate doom is easier to use than dosbox imo

[forest zodiac]

exactly

and also Chocolate has the option to disable player movement using the mouse

[vast reef]

did vanilla have that, can't recall

[forest zodiac]

no

if the mouse was enabled, it'd let you look around and move forward and backward

with no way to disable the latter

[verbal stirrup]

tiplanet org/forum/archives_voir.php?id=2788353 + doom.wad

and fx cg 50

[hexed escarp]

would it be possible to make actual doom run on a ti-84?

[verbal stirrup]

like the og ti 84 or smth like a ti 84 plus ce

actually unfortunately i dont see someone porting the doom engine to a ti 84 plus ce

but that means i could be the first to port it once i get a ti 84 plus ce ofc

[zenith berry]

The DOOM engine is open source, so…go wild?!

[hexed escarp]

Someone made a dos program called novert

That disables this

[restive jetty]

I enjoy very much the game

I do not regret my purchase

[verbal stirrup]

ye i mean thats why people have gotten doom on a pregnancy test right

[hexed escarp]

awesome

[restive jetty]

It's satisfying to kill hundreds of mobs without thinking ^^

[hexed escarp]

with doom 2 you have pretty much endless custom content to play

[restive jetty]

Nice!

[torn pivot]

Who teleported first? Me or the Pinky? 🤷‍♂️ #retrogaming #doom #fastmonsters
https://youtube.com/shorts/Eb1FFvpDTDs?feature=share

[twilit rock]

you can just download novert

its what i do

[forest zodiac]

I know

someone told me this last night

[twilit rock]

I just scrolled up and I am an idiot

[forest zodiac]

but Chocolate still has other improvements that in general make it more practical than using DOSBox

[twilit rock]

My bad

Like what

[forest zodiac]

it just runs smoother for one thing, there's proper resolution scaling

and also it's compatible with launcher addons like ZDL and Doom Explorer

that way you shouldn't have to fiddle with the command line or batch files

[vast reef]

yep

also chocolate doom is limit-removing

[hexed escarp]

It is?

I thought it was meant to preserve the limitations and crashes and bugs of the original

[vast reef]

isn't it? or was that crispy

i think i'm high

[hexed escarp]

I think that's crispy

[vast reef]

oh it's crispy

assumed it was in chocolate too because i remember crispy just being high-res choc doom

[hexed escarp]

Nah crispy does a bunch of things

[dapper flint]

I think I might still be using an insanely old version of zdl

[vast reef]

if it's super old i'd wager it might be older than some people in this discord

[azure nimbus]

no

[hexed escarp]

i went in there yesterday and you can

[azure nimbus]

I didn't know that. When I played, I just memorized I needed n kills before entering

[hexed escarp]

lol

after the final fight there is a pillar that goes up that you can call back down and ride back up

[azure nimbus]

I was intellectually outpaced

[azure nimbus]

first version is only from 2005 so it shouldn't but there probably are some people skirting the 13 years old rule on such a large server

[twilit rock]

Someone born in 2005 would be 18 not 13

[forest zodiac]

case in point: me

[azure nimbus]

holy shhesh I thought it was 8. Somehow I still am not used to it being the 2020s...

[restive jetty]

I tried chocolate, it's like the original DOOM

Older than the Ultimate Doom

There is a coop online or it is just a deathmatch ?

[hexed escarp]

its not your fault, its not at all clear

[hexed escarp]

both

[restive jetty]

Oh okay thanks

[ornate vortex]

https://youtu.be/iSxb1TtJ3xE

This is the worst joke i've ever made

[verbal stirrup]

my doom calculator run got corrupted :/

that's the 1mb ram experience ig

[hexed escarp]

Is it possible to get your notifications from doomworld to show up as notifications on your phone? I have an android

[vast reef]

ZDL is legal

[torn pivot]

Doom - Atari Jaquar (Calico-v2, PC port) Ultra Violence (Part 3)
https://youtu.be/Ycd8-umL-mg

[forest zodiac]

funny that you post that, I've been playing through that port via International Doom's built-in functionality

anyways fun fact: most of the Baron appearances in 1 after episode 1 are foreshadowed with the Baron face wall texture appearing shortly beforehand

the Arch-Vile's first appearance in Map11 of 2 is foreshadowed with the burning barrel entity being in the room that it's in

because the flames in the burning barrel animation resemble the flames the Arch-Vile emits

man, Fortress of Mystery really is such a disappointing finale

the fact that it's called Dis in the Jaguar port makes it even worse

[hexed escarp]

What's a fun easy doom 2 wad for playing on mobile

[pale plaza]

someone make 2d animations of zombies from real world movies; at the time the quality was so poor that it had no sense now with improved resolutions it would work fine

[narrow condor]

The first few maps of Scythe maybe?

[ornate vortex]

Moonblood

[hexed escarp]

Cool thx

[ornate vortex]

It's fun and easier than most wads out there

if the mobile version can't run boom wads then moonblood might not work

Also, just a question, what exactly are the download mirrors for?

[narrow condor]

On /idgames?

[ornate vortex]

yes

[narrow condor]

It used to be the norm for major file hosts to have mirrors in multiple countries because of the amount of network latency between countries.

A person in Europe would have to leave a dial-up connection on overnight to download a large file from a US server, for example.

[forest zodiac]

fun fact: it's literally impossible to get the BFG in the 32X port without cheating because all of the levels it could be found in were cut

[sick mist]

[ornate vortex]

I see, i'm guessing this is because computers weren't as good in the 90s

[narrow condor]

Not computers but rather the internet infrastructure.

[sick mist]

is it even present in the gamefiles then?
Like the code and textures?

[forest zodiac]

yeah

[narrow condor]

It's no longer as common since most of the world has access to pretty fast internet now but it's still useful for things that require automatic download (like software updates) to minimise delays.

[forest zodiac]

but you need to cheat in order to actually get it

[sick mist]

Thats stupid as fuck.

[ornate vortex]

That makes a lot more sense now

[narrow condor]

You can tell the /idgames archive is old judging by how some of the mirrors are FTP when so few people use FTP these days.

Even Firefox removed FTP support. 😔

[ornate vortex]

They had to make mirrors of certain areas of the US too from what I can see

[narrow condor]

Yeah, often there were East Coast and West Coast mirrors, usually hosted by campus servers.

Not sure if that's still the case nowadays, since campuses no longer have the monopoly on fast internet.

[ornate vortex]

Whenever I download something from idgames I just click on New York lol

I don't think it really matters which one I click

[narrow condor]

I pick Germany out of habit because German servers were often the fastest in Europe in my experience.

Yeah, maybe 1-2 seconds of difference.

[ornate vortex]

Most files are like less than 20MB anyways, so most modern devices can just instantly download it

[sick mist]

🇩🇪

🖤
❤️
💛

[placid vortex]

💛 *

[ornate vortex]

Deutschland

[sick mist]

https://tenor.com/view/german-east-germany-gif-19050590

xD

Sorry, we germans get a bit excited whenever non germans talk about germany

[ornate vortex]

That's the complete opposite for us in the UK lol

[narrow condor]

Hahah

[forest zodiac]

oh, so that's why it kept opening Edge when I tried to click the FTP download links on the legacy 3D Realms website

good thing File Explorer still supports FTP

[narrow condor]

FTP is a terrible protocol design-wise but I don't think it was the right decision to remove it, since it still has its users. Then again, there are plenty of utilities for handling FTP.

[sick mist]

What about SFTP?

[narrow condor]

SFTP is a totally different beast that superficially mimics the semantics of FTP but it's just some porcelain over SSH plumbing.

(There's also FTPS, which is just FTP with TLS slapped on for encryption which no one ever uses.)

[hexed escarp]

I'm using Delta touch which has prboom plus

[dapper flint]

I'm honorary German

[finite crag]

What do you think about Doom II Master Levels?

[autumn galleon]

It sucks that the PS4, Xbox One, and Switch versions of Doom 1, 2, and 3 don't have online multiplayer.

[azure nimbus]

most of them are levels for sure. I borderline think it's harmful how frontloaded they are. Doom has sooo much good custom content that's great and the MLs can turn people away

[ornate vortex]

Nothing against jim flynn, but his levels in ML really made me pull my teeth out in frustration

that and also he must've had some obsession with the word Titan

[hexed escarp]

they are certainly some of the levels of all time

[wide monolith]

Just beat the spider mastermind

[hoary tinsel]

Hey, I’m currently playing doom 1 and getting its platinum, but am stuck on the not so bad trophy, have been at it for 6 hours and need help. Anyone willing to help or have any tips?

[azure nimbus]

take advantage of respawning and continuous play. you don't need ep4 at all

[austere quarry]

I can't beat the two baron of hell. The gatling gun seems uneffective. Any suggestions?

Nevermind

[nocturne kelp]

so doom 1

[coarse cradle]

yes,yes that's what classic doom means.

[finite crag]

How was it

The Boss has an insane attack range

[finite crag]

E1M8 : Phobos Anomaly?

[finite crag]

Do you have the rocket launcher?

The best way is to lure them near the barrels

[austere quarry]

Yeah at the end I spammed rocket everywhere

[finite crag]

Lol

You completed the first episode?

[nocturne kelp]

can I send some pictures about doom 1?

[coarse cradle]

That goes in #screenshots

[nocturne kelp]

Thanks for the instructions, I'm new to this server

[coarse cradle]

No prob

[nocturne kelp]

👍🏻

[sweet wind]

do somone know the mod called "brutal DOOM"?

[forest zodiac]

yeah everyone does and I think it's overrated and crap

if you want a good gore mod, there's NashGore

and it should be compatible with casual weapon overhaul mods like, say, Weapons of Saturn

[hexed escarp]

Where can I download the doom shareware wad?

[forest zodiac]

https://www.doomworld.com/classicdoom/info/shareware.php

[hexed escarp]

Cool thx

[azure nimbus]

no starting switch on the pillar to reach the outside in e1m1 :(

[hexed escarp]

Yeah why is that

The reason I was asking was just so I could play on my phone

[forest zodiac]

That was a multiplayer-oriented edit added in Ultimate

Coincidentally it resulted in the map’s total linedef count being 666

[spice radish]

Good to see where on brand

[nocturne kelp]

i know

im using it

but not the brutal doom but the Dox personalizes brutal doom

[azure nimbus]

doomkid has a few videos on changes like that. A lot of them are for multiplayer, some to prevent cheese like map11, and some because they realized that they weren't obviously referencing wolfenstein

[dapper flint]

It is

[hoary tinsel]

Thanks! Just got it.

[wide monolith]

I feel like it was easier than a cyberdemon

[finite crag]

Yes

The Cyberdemon sometimes kept hiding into one of the rooms of the tower

So picking up stuff was risky as heck

[ornate vortex]

Lesssgoooo, I BEAT RUSH MAP 11

[halcyon willow]

nice

Rush is fun

good entry level slaughter

[finite crag]

https://gear.bethesda.net/products/doom-30th-anniversary-limited-edition-commemorative-floppy-disk

[dapper flint]

Definitely ordering it. Just wish it was chrome

[finite crag]

I'm ordering it too

[ornate vortex]

agreed, i’d go as far to say it’s one of my favourite pwads

[twilit rock]

🗣️🗣️🗣️

[placid vortex]

I can infer that brutal doom is a mod that adds gore to the game but I do not know why it is bad

[vast reef]

because compared to other mods it's fucking boring

i wanna like

[placid vortex]

Idk any mods

[vast reef]

redo brutal doom and make it actually good

[dapper flint]

brutal wolfenstein is actually really good

[vast reef]

will try brutal wolfenstein

[mighty bane]

just got the minigun in doom1

[twilit rock]

Completely misses the point of what made the original doom so good Also if I recall the dude who made it is kind of a weirdo

[azure nimbus]

best weapon in e1

[craggy bone]

If I recall correctly, Brutal Doom caused quite a bit of controversy because of A) "borrowing" code from other mods B) using pictures of real gore for the sprites (maybe this was Project Brutality?) and C) the creator being an edge lord

[torn pivot]

Doom 2: Entryway - Atari Jaquar - RomHack -(Calico-v2, PC port)
https://youtu.be/aWL4PVvOkT0

[vast reef]

maybe it's just me but b isn't that bad considering it's like... really pixelated

[dapper flint]

I don't play with sliding or freelook. Nothing like that. As basic as possible

[vast reef]

same tbh

though for crazier mods, playing without freelook is kinda weird for me

crazy as in more than just weapon and enemy replacements

[dapper flint]

Make sure to turn infinite height off also or things just randomly kill you

[vast reef]

oh

okay

[dapper flint]

Ya like if you run under a chandelier it'll fall on ya hahah

Pretty sure spear of Destiny was released last week also

[ornate vortex]

I only just found out rush 2 exists

[ashen flicker]

I’m at a bowling alley and a song came up and the first couple notes sounded like e1m1 and for a second I just completely stopped what I was doing

[finite crag]

can you believe it's been 30 years?

[placid vortex]

Yeah

[ornate vortex]

tbh, even tho i wasn't really born when doom first came out, it is a bit weird knowing a game like doom is 30 years old

for how advanced it is, it's pretty damn cool

[finite crag]

I should celebrate.

[fluid lion]

Hey guys

Should i buy the doom 1 and doom 2 remasters on steam?

Its like 40 cents here in brazil

40US cents

[royal heron]

Perhaps master of puppets?

That's what At Doom's Gate is based off of

[fluid lion]

Should i pick it up? Considering i alredy have loads of source ports that play just fine and probally better, with loads of wads and all the features i could ask for

[fluid lion]

It isnt master of puppets, it's No Remorse from Metallica

[forest zodiac]

actually, out of all the songs in Doom 1 and 2's soundtracks, At Doom's Gate is one of the few not to be based on any specific metal song

it just happened to use a rather generic metal riff

Bobby Prince said this in an interview in November 2017 or so

DoomWiki's article on Doom 1's soundtrack links it in the sources section

[royal heron]

I meant to say it had some references, but yes

[zenith berry]

1993 units sold. Hehe.

[tulip gull]

NO REMOOORSE! 🎸

[finite crag]

I have made a serious mistake

I played plutonia 7

[ornate vortex]

You've gone far down the plutonia rabbit hole

I find most remakes like plutonia 2 and prcp take too much inspiration from the original, it does make for an uncanny gameplay

[ornate vortex]

I'm currently playing through rush 2, and so far i'm loving it (even though i've only played half the maps)

So far it's like playing the later levels of rush, they're hard but not extremely challenging

[azure nimbus]

if you already have the game, then idk why you'd get it. The important thing is the doom2.wad file which you seem to already have. The steam version isn't a remaster so much as another (worse) port but the legal way to acquire the doom2.wad file

[finite crag]

Yep

This one has some
Interesting level design

Actually it's really fun for a like
Joke wad

[narrow condor]

I wonder when Plutonia 3 is going to come out. No, not the infamous one.

Joshv said two years ago on Doomworld

[...] during Plutonia 3’s development (yes it's still alive), there are a handful of great maps that sadly don’t quite fit in a Plutonia 3 megawad but would fit great in a PRCP2 megawad and we wanted to give these maps a good home.

But I haven't heard anything about it since.

And PRCP2 already came out last year.

[hexed escarp]

wait people were actually making a proper plutonia 3?

[narrow condor]

Yeah, it's been in the development cycle for quite a while. I hope the authors didn't run out of steam halfway through.

It's good that we got PRCP2 out of it though.

[forest zodiac]

at least it didn't turn into a shitshow like all the attempted Evilution sequels

[narrow condor]

Yeah

At least Revilution turned out pretty decent though.

Not related but has anyone here played the newest myhouse.wad tribute?

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/134292-myhousewad/

It runs on GZDoom only but it's very good.

And do yourself a favour and don't read the thread before playing it.

(Tip: You need the .pk3 file, not the .zip file on the cloud drive.)

[finite crag]

does anyone ever play with always run off

[versed kraken]

Bro e2m4 makes me wanna kms

4 barons and hardly the ammo for it is crazy

[finite crag]

when low on ammo try to get the monsters to infight

[forest zodiac]

or you can just run past them and never look back lmao

this isn't 2016 or Eternal where you literally can't leave the room until they're dead

[finite crag]

running past fights is an easy way to get overwhelmed most times

plus, you're doomguy, you don't run away from demon slaying

[dapper flint]

Who doesn't want that sweet 100 percent kills ?

[versed kraken]

I tried but kept forgetting where to go, im replaying all the games so im a bit rusty here

[forest zodiac]

you have a map

if you're on PC it should be the tab key

[finite crag]

try to get the shotgunners to attack the baron

[forest zodiac]

no, the Doom Slayer does that
not Doomguy

[finite crag]

Isn't it generally accepted that slayer is doom guy?

[forest zodiac]

yes, but he was still "guy" at this point

and I still wish he stayed that way

[finite crag]

same tbh

just a really angry dude fighting hell

[forest zodiac]

the way he's hailed as like a god by the other humans in Eternal is more impactful if he's just some dude anyway

again, like how Half-Life 2 did it

[dapper flint]

Well he's back to normal now

[finite crag]

also it's weird af to go from something as serious and badass like eternal to the complete opposite side of the spectrum with Ray Mohawk 2

[dapper flint]

Not a fan of imps in a hula dress ?

[finite crag]

I dig the hula imps and aesthetic

not so sure on the weapons and level design though, still on just the first level however

[spice radish]

I mean Eternal pretty much outright confirms it so to deny it would just be stupid

[narrow condor]

When in doubt, shove it over into a parallel universe.

[vagrant robin]

Alguém aí a fim de fazer boost pra platinar doom no ps5?

[silent pelican]

There's also that Doom Universe is just an nightmare of Commander Keen for not eating vegetables

[finite crag]

I want a megawad that is exactly that. Doom in the eyes of a child having a nightmare

[grizzled swan]

The chasm was a level

Fuck the chasm

[ornate vortex]

dimensions would be close to that answer, however it was me that would be the child in that case.

i tried to play map 1 and I couldn’t do it. There’s so many monsters to the point it’s overwhelming and you’re almost bound to get hit by stray projectiles or randomly targeted by arch viles and lost souls

[finite crag]

Damn

[craggy bone]

Italo-Doom is the best nightmare wad imo, completely surreal with the weird music and every map is terrifying right from the start

Dimensions is harder though I think

[dapper flint]

There are some great horror based wads

[vast reef]

yep

i've only played a bit of comatose but i found it pretty creepy

[forest zodiac]

Total Chaos says hi

Unloved too

[vast reef]

ooh yeah unloved, that's been on my list for a long while now

[forest zodiac]

then there's the Ghoul's Forest trilogy

[vast reef]

rootpain

[narrow condor]

5till L1 Complex is pretty good too, in the same vein as Comatose. (Same author, really.)

[spice radish]

Still blows my mind that Total Chaos is made in GZDoom

[verbal stirrup]

any tips for e2m8? i land maybe 1-2 rocket launcher hits before getting hit by the cyber demon

[forest zodiac]

have you tried circle strafing

[dapper flint]

Just go backwards and left and right

[finite crag]

Update

"Peter, what are you doing" has to be the map that hurts me the most physically and mentally 😭

I've actually played more of this was than I have actual plutonia

[verbal stirrup]

be me
go left
go right
get hit

wait what it takes 45 rocket grenades to kill a cyberdemon?

[narrow condor]

Yeah, the cyberdemon is immune to splash damage so it only takes damage from the projectile's direct hit.

Just always stay on the move and don't change direction whilst the cyberdemon is still shooting at you or you'll dodge into a rocket.

It's a good opportunity to practise circlestrafing since you're in an open arena facing a singular enemy with a massive hitbox.

[zenith berry]

Just plasma him.

(Unless if you died, didn't quicksave, and/or not using GZDoom)

[azure nimbus]

why would gz have anything to do with it

[drifting idol]

Hello guys! I want to get the platinum trophy for doom 2016. But There are not enough players on multiplayer. Are there some people that can help me?

[zenith berry]

GZDoom reloads last autosave upon death instead of pistol start.

[azure nimbus]

maybe in #doom-2016

[azure nimbus]

dsda can do that too. . every port can save so idk why it'd matter

[torn pivot]

Doom2: Underhalls - Atari Jaquar - RomHack -(Calico-v2, PC port)
https://youtu.be/oI_hdMEv39w

[dapper flint]

The rocket path is pretty predictable. You won't run into them if you know what you're doing

[spice radish]

Isn’t that an option that can be disabled? GZDoom has so many options I rarely mess with even a quarter of them

[edgy frigate]

mmmm anyone got any tips for dodging the spider mastermind's bullets? Running left and right kinda works and the only reason I defeated it ||now multiple times because I kept going "wait there's a secret? Where?" and kept reloading the file|| is because I had a lot of the ammo for BFG and killed it before it killed me

[dapper flint]

You can't dodge it you need to take cover when it shoots. Or have a invisibility

[edgy frigate]

figured, at least it did tend to miss when I kept going left and right (pretty much how people go when they're playing pvp shooters)

[finite crag]

Some really good wads??

[forest zodiac]

Scythe 1

Doom: The Way id Did

Plutonia 2 and PRCP

Valiant

Ancient Aliens

Japanese Community Project

Hell Revealed

[finite crag]

Mostly looking for some really beautiful looking levels, like ancient aliens and back to saturn x

[forest zodiac]

Epic 2 if you want Egyptian levels

I think Alien Vendetta has some temple levels too

[finite crag]

I tried alien vendetta but it doesn't work for me

[forest zodiac]

What source port are you using?

[finite crag]

Like when I load it in gzdoom it just brings me in the normal doom 2 map 1

[forest zodiac]

Hmmmm

[finite crag]

I use gzdoom, not sure which version

[forest zodiac]

That’s odd

Are you sure you’re loading av.wad?

[finite crag]

Yeah of course

Just clicked and drop

No other mods as well, just av.wad alone

I had the same problem for like 2 or 3 more wads, I just always assumed it was a compatibility issue

[azure nimbus]

running left and right does not work. There is no difference based on your speed. What affects the aim of hitscan enemies is your distance to them.

[azure nimbus]

make sure you're using the wad and not just the dehacked

[finite crag]

dehacked?

I just click and drag whatever wad I want to play into gzdoom.exe

[azure nimbus]

When Alien Vendetta came out, it was the norm to upload the dehacked file separate from the wad file. Nowadays, that's rarely done and the dehacked usually comes with the wad. Though some authors include an extra .deh file incase you use a very old port for whatever reason. The dehacked file changes can change monster or weapon behavior. In the case of AV, it changes the map names in the automap

[narrow condor]

Spider mastermind is susceptible to pain. Since she's so slow and bulky, she can't catch up with you if you just move behind cover and you can stun lock her despite her low pain chance. Hell, if you're lucky enough, you can just hold down the trigger of the plasma and do nothing else and she'd eventually die without shooting once.

[azure nimbus]

If you download AV, it'll come with AV.wad and AV.deh. Load both(or at least the .wad)

[finite crag]

I don't think I've ever noticed a .deh file, I may redown it and try both file in to see if it works

[narrow condor]

The plasma rifle is better for this purpose than the BFG, though you can often one-shot her with BFG if you can get close to her.

[azure nimbus]

it's only better to plasma if you're far or really really can't risk a lil bit of damage as you approach

[narrow condor]

Fair, yeah. I was assuming she's too far to run up to.

If you're close to her, you can even just peekaboo SSG her.

[finite crag]

mouse look, no mouse look, which do you guys prefer

[forest zodiac]

depends which port and mod/map set

[finite crag]

how so

[narrow condor]

I only enable mouselook if the mapset's readme tells me to.

Otherwise I assume it's not the intended way to play the author had in mind.

[finite crag]

hm i see

[narrow condor]

Same with jumping and crouching but those are much rarer.

[finite crag]

I just turn those off

[narrow condor]

I just set everything to 'default' in GZDoom to let MAPINFO presets take over.

[finite crag]

ah smart

[finite crag]

Always mouse look

fair, fair

I like to play a lot of beautiful maps so sometimes I just like to take a look around and appreciate all the decorations and effects after murdering everything

that's how I've been feeling a lot while playing doom lately

You've tried Evernity?

That wad is absolutely insane

[forest zodiac]

always found it eerie how similar Eviternity managed to be to Eternal

despite having been finished like in mid-2019

[finite crag]

I've been trying to get into it but it's hard to focus on just one wad for a long time for me

[dapper flint]

Mostly no free look but if it's embers of armageddon or mod like that free look makes sense /jump

[finite crag]

5 missions into ep 1 this game is hella fun

I just gotta keep on saving my progress lol

[ornate vortex]

I liked eviternity, until I started speedrunning it

and now i’m no longer doing eviternity as a full megawad but rather seperate maps

I say that atm whilst im tryna prepare myself for rush map 12 (which is an insane speedrun and a milestone for sure)

[azure nimbus]

in what way?

[finite crag]

oooh doom 1 classic?

Yeah

nice, great game. 2 is better but 1 laid the foundation

[finite crag]

reelism 2 is the second most bat-guano insane doom mod I've played

[forest zodiac]

an angelic figure is the main villain for one thing

along with a heaven-themed area in general

there's a snowy fortress area too

[dapper flint]

Also he says eternal.. eternal over and over again

Lol

[livid bone]

anyone wanna play doom unity port multiplayer through parsec

[hexed escarp]

Wouldn’t it just be way easier to play on a port with online multiplayer support?

[vast reef]

yeah

parsec might be easier for some though

[calm cradle]

https://fxtwitter.com/kbeevans/status/1638026227515805696?s=20

[finite crag]

I hate phobos THESE STUPID FUCKING SPECTRES

E1 done hell yeah

[vale gyro]

You’re gonna hate E4 (probably)

Well - at least I have a personal grudge against it

[azure nimbus]

Each save is a savestate and is done manually. If you want access to the current moment, make a save

[tacit remnant]

Each episode begins with a hard reset of items and such.

[azure nimbus]

if you save, you can return to that save

And you can enter any level pistol start with level select

but there is no "postgame" where you return to previous levels with your gear and enemies already defeated to collect missing stuff

[tacit remnant]

Each episode is basically a separate small campaign

[azure nimbus]

yeah it's save states not really a save file pile in modern games

entering a level with level select will always be pistol start

[tacit remnant]

You can skip to any level at any time. Doing so has you start with a clean slate

Not in the modern sense anyway

[azure nimbus]

Many players play pistol start and every level was designed with that in mind

[tacit remnant]

It doesn’t really care

Doom 1-2 are rather arcadey in that way

Incidentally this is also why dying and restarting the normal way has you start the level with just the pistol

[azure nimbus]

steam or console or whatever you're on knows what levels you've beaten for the purpose of achievements but nothing within the game itself is affected with one exception: on the intermission map between levels, there is an extra section shown if you beat the secret map

achievements

[tacit remnant]

Doom 2016 was the first Doom to have any kind of permanent upgrades or a modern save file system

[red bolt]

Who have Netflix?

[tacit remnant]

Yes, but IDK why you would. Getting 100% doesn’t really do anything

[azure nimbus]

Doom64's Unmaker has upgrades

[tacit remnant]

I completely forgot about the Unmaykr

[azure nimbus]

why would you make a save after beating the game 100 %? Nothing would remain to do

[tacit remnant]

My favorite thing in early Doom that didn’t stick around is how accommodating it is for making custom campaigns, including unique assets

[azure nimbus]

How is it cheap to make 6 additional playable characters?

[vast reef]

hi molly

been quite a few months since i've seen you around here

[tacit remnant]

Yeah I got tired of Doom for a while. I tend to develop hyperfixations that I get tired of then eventually come back to

[vast reef]

ngl, once i hyperfixate on something it's virtually been permanently ingrained into me, and i'm bound to return to it

[opal night]

Same. I go back and forth with doom mods. I've been taking a break while waiting on some major releases.

[forest zodiac]

My PowerSlave hyperfixation last week

My SiN hyperfixation like three weeks before:

[vast reef]

i still have to play both of those 😔

both seem so fun

[forest zodiac]

Still such a shame that SiN just never hit big like it was meant to be

[dapper flint]

Good to see you back

[sharp atlas]

who agrees that this is the best doom game?

[edgy frigate]

mmmm what's the most recommended version? Not sure if there's actually big differences but better safe than sorry
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1061010804197032018/1087794460970205264/DOOM_II_3_18_2023_7_45_03_PM.png

[forest zodiac]

Just the one that’s “Play Doom II”

That’s the enhanced 2019 port

The other ones are just the DOS versions

[edgy frigate]

alright, thanks bud

[zenith berry]

The fact that it was also released weeks before Half-Life didn’t even help.

[spice radish]

The classics are great but 2016's my personal favorite

[dapper flint]

2016 is definitely special

[tacit remnant]

My favorite personally is Doom 2. Mostly because it has so many great player made campaigns and a fantastic core system

It’s not even close tbh. I love classic Doom, really like 64 and Eternal, have mixed feelings about 3, and 2016 is the only main series Doom game I don’t like, mostly because of how easily the game breaks with upgrades and something feeling really awkward with movement

[finite crag]

2016 and eternal feel really slow to me. Eternal less so thanks to the dash but still, going from skating around efforlessly in the classics to slowly jogging along is jarring to me. As for my favorite doom I got to go with Doom 2 aswell. Feels feature-complete compared to Doom 1, 2016 I barely remember, 3 I never played and don't want to, 64 was decent but too atmospheric and horror focused for my tastes, and eternal I'm struggling to really click with honestly

[tacit remnant]

Yeah classic Doomguy can go from 0 to 60 mph in 1.5-2 seconds. That’s not even hyperbole, I actually used Doom Builder to measure it once. His max is 90ish

[finite crag]

yeah, I play with always run off because I always end up bumping into walls and running into projectiles

But the extra speed is very nice and feels great when in a particularly dangerous fight

[twilit rock]

Doom II would have the edge up in terms of player made content but just judging on the games themselves, I like the original 3 doom episodes better than the levels for doom 2

I do really like the levels in doom 2 though even map23

[finite crag]

Why do you prefer 1 over 2?

[tacit remnant]

That’s fair. Doom 1 has the better level design but the SSG and certain new enemy types do a lot to allow for more flexibility in combat encounters and such

[twilit rock]

Knee deep in the dead is the best doom campaign ever

2 has some dull moments like the middle part of Doom 2 is good but kind of drags a bit especialy on like map12 and map17

[tacit remnant]

My favorite Doom 1 episode is honestly 3. Hell Cathedral is terrible but episode 3 has much needed variety

[finite crag]

yeah doom 1 is good but it always felt a bit anemic to me

[twilit rock]

Whats hell cathedral

Hell keep or unholy cathedral

[tacit remnant]

Unholy Cathedral

[finite crag]

no super shotgun, none of the cool super dangerous enemies, just shotgunning over a dozen pinkies and cacos

[twilit rock]

I don't mind tbh

I enjoy shotgunning barons+cacos

[finite crag]

E2 kicked my ass

But it's done

[twilit rock]

on nightmare?

[tacit remnant]

My only real beef with Knee Deep in the Dead is that it’s a bit too repetitive for my liking. Episodes 2 and 3 aren’t as polished but they’re extremely creative and have a lot more experimentation

[finite crag]

I hate using the basic shotty on the bigger demons

[finite crag]

Ultra violence

just feels like I'm wasting too much ammo

[twilit rock]

SSG uses exact same amount though

[tacit remnant]

Try using plasma or rockets on big guys

[twilit rock]

Also yeah that, you dont need to shotgun

Bfg, plasma gun, rocket, infighting

[tacit remnant]

SSG does more than double damage of pump

[twilit rock]

Oh really

[tacit remnant]

It’s about 2.5 pump shots on average iirc

[dapper flint]

I'll always have a soft spot for 4

[tacit remnant]

4 is well designed but it feels a bit too mean for my liking

[finite crag]

yeah but there's always those times where you're either dry on ammo or just starting out and the map maker throws like a small army of pinkies at you with no berserk or chainsaw to help either

[tacit remnant]

Don’t chainsaw anything but pinkies. That’s just asking for trouble

[finite crag]

I live like a rebel and berserker fist anything that isn't a cyber demon if I can lol

[twilit rock]

E1>E4>E3>E2 honestly

[finite crag]

hell once I fisted a cyber demon

[dapper flint]

Real Chad's chainsaw cybers

[tacit remnant]

Punching is fine as long as you’re careful

[finite crag]

I like the rhythm that comes from the melee

[twilit rock]

Yeah berserk is super helpful

[finite crag]

run in, hit em with the one two, back away just before that pinkie bites you

[twilit rock]

The only monsters that are tricky to take out with fist are when u get swarmed by turbo pinkies but that rarely happens

[tacit remnant]

I sometimes beat pinkies to death without berzerk. It’s not hard as long as you have room to maneuver and there aren’t zombies around

[finite crag]

yeah same

[twilit rock]

Fast monsters makes fighting pinkies with unberserked fist significantly harder

only level I really do it on is e3m1

[finite crag]

fast monsters makes everything signifigantly harder

[tacit remnant]

Fast monsters makes everything but dying significantly harder

[finite crag]

imps can legit just ignore terrain with their fireballs, can't they?

[twilit rock]

Only really hitscanners get a lot harder

Projectiles are still about the same to dodge

[tacit remnant]

Imps can’t hit you through walls if that’s what you mean

[twilit rock]

Yeah if a fireball hits something it stops

[tacit remnant]

Mancubus fireballs will occasionally phase through thin walls because of an oversight in how hit detection works

[finite crag]

no, with fast monsters some projectiles move so fast that their collision box can pass through a wall since the box moves in intervals

[twilit rock]

Never happened to me

or if it did I didnt notice

[finite crag]

most projectiles have a chance of phasing through walls. Some more than others since it all depends on the size of the projectile itself

[tacit remnant]

Projectiles phasing through walls is definitely a thing that happens but it’s pretty unusual.

[twilit rock]

Yeah I wouldnt like bring it up as a legitimate concern

[tacit remnant]

Much like how Archeviles can’t normally revive crushed demons but if the demon isn’t completely crushed yet then they can and the revived demon can only be harmed with splash damage

It can happen, but it’s rare enough to not worry about

[twilit rock]

Invincible ghosts

[tacit remnant]

Yup

[twilit rock]

Ur profile picture is cool by the way

[tacit remnant]

Though in the latter case, some map makers set that up on purpose to be evil.
Thank you.

[twilit rock]

that game was fun

[tacit remnant]

I identify with the main character a lot so she made sense as an avatar for me

[twilit rock]

thats cool

[cunning anvil]

climbing go brrrrrrr

[finite crag]

definitely doom 1993 is my favorite game but sometimes I prefer doom 64

[tacit remnant]

I love how the biggest Doom challenges are basically “we’re giving you the BFG and tons of cells, now deal with 100+ demons all at once with a few waves of reinforcements

See also: God Machine

[finite crag]

someone has killed the cyber demon with the single gun

[tacit remnant]

Pistol? Not surprised tbh

Just takes a very long time and lots of bullets

[finite crag]

once i can do it

at first it was difficult for me

[tacit remnant]

I don’t know why you would, but congrats nonetheless

[cunning anvil]

i got some problems with doom classic controles

it's doesn't walk with the arrows

it just turn

[tacit remnant]

Sounds like you enabled strafe mode. Try remapping your keys

If remapping doesn’t fix it, then IDK What you can do

[cunning anvil]

yeah it didn't work

ig i'll try playing it somehwer elese

thx for the help

[tacit remnant]

Btw what controller are you using?

Or keyboard

[finite crag]

Plasma helped so much dealing with the barons

[tacit remnant]

Plasma is scarce but really powerful

[finite crag]

Yes

E2e6 was a nightmare

[azure nimbus]

check your key binds. Default mapping for modern ports including steam is WASD for movement. Arrow keys for turning is normal. Pause the game with the escape key and select key binds

[lean phoenix]

I like your profile picture

[zenith berry]

Did you know: There’s this bug that’s kinda creepy in a version of Doom95. At the end of a demo taking place at E1M7 where the player dies, the demo wouldn’t end - instead, the camera raises back up and you’d be actually able to move by yourself, while your health is still zero with Doomguy’s dead face still showing.

[vast reef]

i have heavy rose-tinted glasses for e2 ngl