personally I felt more overwhelmed at 4
#classic-doom
azure nimbus
narrow condor
Tangentially, I think of all Plutonia-based mappacks, Cydonia captures Plutonia's spirit of 'mean but fun challenge' the best.
narrow condor
Huh, really? I thought Hunted was really fun. But I suppose it's one of the more polarising maps.
spice radish
Huh, really? I thought Hunted was really fun. But I suppose it's one of the more...
I love the gimmick of the Archvile hunting you down in a tight maze but man it’s annoying since there almost nowhere to dodge if it finds you
narrow condor
The trick is abusing the archvile's greatest vulnerability: The fact that it's immobile when attacking.
dapper flint
Oh there's some epic archies based maps out there that put that gimmick to shame
narrow condor
The moment you see an archvile, make your way to a corner and shoot at it until its attack is close to completion, then duck back, reveal yourself again and repeat. A shot from the SSG is highly likely to trigger the pain state, so you can make use of it as you dash towards a corner. Make sure not to stay in cover when it's not attacking or it'll walk straight up to you.
The map gets so much easier once you grok the timing of archvile attacks. Though that alone won't help you with the maps Gougaru is talking about. :-P
hexed escarp
i really want to continue plutonia and eventually get thru the whole thing
but this map is just so BS
im trying to pistol start them all on uv
to improve at the game since up until this point ive been playing on hmp on continuous with a save at the beginning of each map
i have been saving in this playthrough, but i have started every map from pistol start
and ive tried not to save too much
altho ive been saving a ton in this map because it sucks
every other map ive played in plutonia so far has been difficult, but fair
and also really fun, but not this one
narrow condor
I think it's totally fair game to savescum in grindy maps.
azure nimbus
The moment you see an archvile, make your way to a corner and shoot at it until ...
the understanding monster behavior to not getting mad at plutonia pipeline
hexed escarp
what are some good wads that can be played on dosbox
azure nimbus
doomkid's content is almost always fully vanilla compat
viral moth
how long is a pain state
narrow condor
One tic
I just checked info.c to make sure and it looks like it lasts for two tics actually.
hexed escarp
doesnt it depend on the enemy?
in onslaught ive gotten to the part where i hit a switch and the archviles come out and start reviving shit and a bunch of bullshit spawns
what is the best way to handle that section
narrow condor
From what I can see, it's possible for monsters to have variable pain state frames but they all have two.
zenith berry
what are some good wads that can be played on dosbox
Check out KDiKDiZD
or as I like to call it, “Knee Deep in ze DOS”.
azure nimbus
how long is a pain state
It depends on the monster. revs and viles have long pains and imps have short ones.
narrow condor
Aha, so I wasn't reading it right after all.
azure nimbus
I just checked `info.c` to make sure and it looks like it lasts for two tics act...
is it possible that you're looking at spite frames? cacos have two pain sprites as opposed to one from other monsters(and doomguy)
narrow condor
AFAICT they all have two frames but only caco has two individual sprites for the frames. Though I guess this tells nothing about the tic length.
azure nimbus
maybe then one of the frames that's a copy is universally given one or two tics and the other sprite gets the rest of the time. Whatever the case, the actual time frozen is monster dependent
narrow condor
Makes sense.
narrow condor
I gave in to curiosity and found out that the actual pain state lengths are all over the place for different monsters.
*_PAIN and *_PAIN2 states where the third slot of each state struct holds the tic count for that state.
So that's 10 tics for revenants and archviles, 4 and 6 for other monsters.
ornate vortex
I love the gimmick of the Archvile hunting you down in a tight maze but man it’s...
I hope Plutonia 2 doesn't beat a dead horse with this gimmi-
oh god they quadrupled the arch vile count
I managed to do a deathless run of Plutonia (non pistol starting) on UV, and I was real proud of that
same with doom II
which now reminds me of when I failed the deathless run at the penultimate level 
narrow condor
I'm not a huge fan of Plutonia 2. I think it's quite decent (and certainly more coherent than PRCP) but I always felt it leans too far into Plutonia's shticks. Not really a sequel to Plutonia as much as a reimagining with its beloved/loathed elements amplified, if that makes sense.
ornate vortex
I feel like personally plutonia 2 is known to me as “the same as plutonia but purposely more difficult”
finite crag
Idk I think plutonia 2 is a pretty damn good wad
especially considering it's from like 2008
stark acorn
the understanding monster behavior to not getting mad at plutonia pipeline
beat plutonia on UV, get venerated for a year
narrow condor
Is there a name for the age-old cheesing strategy of walking into a room, waking up all monsters, walking back out, then repeatedly opening and closing the door until all monsters kill each other?
I feel like it should have a name since it's such a well-known mapping mistake (when the door doesn't lock behind you or the monsters can't open the door to flow out).
stark acorn
cheesing
narrow condor
Sure.
stark acorn
yw 👍
prime lava
I generally call it door fighting or door combat and have seen others refer to it as such
narrow condor
The door fighting I know is more like peekaboo shooting, whereas this one doesn't involve any sort of fighting at all. You just hide and let everything die over time.
azure nimbus
more modern mappers prefer switches over doors for this reason
spice bronze
Honestly I wish they kept infighting in Doom Eternal, would have been cool to see people beat the game killing as few demons as possible
Another thing I wish they brought back in Doom Eternal was more thorough ammo management, like I remember in Classic doom I’d find myself thinking “oh crap if I get jumped by demons I’m not gonna have enough bullets to fight them off”
dapper flint
Actual infighting not sets. But I can see why they didn't. Everything would be fighting eachother in 20 seconds
prime lava
The door fighting I know is more like peekaboo shooting, whereas this one doesn'...
oh well then that's just "letting everything infight" :p
narrow condor
That's 50% of all Doom fights once you can circlestrafe. ;-P
dusty totem
Idk i prolly would find infighting in doom eternal less interesting
Also much less consistent to accomplish with the more mobility that enemies has
dapper flint
There would have to be a set pain threshold or everything woulf be attacking eachother and you'd be swinging around like an idiot
azure nimbus
My speculation is that infighting with be less likely since eternal makes more use of vertically so monsters are less likely to hit each other. it would be a cool experiment but the game isn't designed around it
dapper flint
I have to disagree. Because of the spam attacks in all directions you'd get enemy hits plus large area of effect
Just wouldn't work
silk stump
why always i get stuck on one or two missions in doom 2 and i just get di anything about it
i started over and now im stuck on the second mission where you get the shotgun. i just dont understand what i gotta do.
narrow condor
Follow where the map leads you until you get the red keycard, then trace back your footsteps to open the red bars and continue from there until you find the blue keycard. Then open the blue door and exit the map.
Many early stock maps boil down to opening doors with keys to reach the exit and incidentally killing monsters along the way.
azure nimbus
i started over and now im stuck on the second mission where you get the shotgun....
Beyond general movement skill and monster familiarity, doom2 requires some navigational skill. take note of key doors that you find and refer back to that mental list when you get new keys. That basic lock and key thought process as simple as it seemed helped doom2 be less intimidating for me
hexed escarp
What would you guys say is the single hardest doom 2 map
ornate vortex
The Catacombs
The chaingunners and revenants just violate you
Then after that it's a tie between Barrels of fun and Refuelling Base
dapper flint
What would you guys say is the single hardest doom 2 map
Map 29. Strictly from a nightmare perspective
broken heron
azure nimbus
it's gotta still be barrels of fun. nobody's made a more difficult challenge.
outer sage
Map09 on UV, too many chaingunners
woven heart
Any ways to not feel motion sickness while playing?
I’ll probably get over it, but just incase.
sturdy gyro
Any ways to not feel motion sickness while playing?
Have you tried disabling motion blur?
sturdy gyro
No problem! I always turn motion blur off in games, it’s truly a game changer (literally)
woven heart
Sweet!
sturdy gyro
@woven heart Any luck with disabling it?
sturdy gyro
Gotcha. Sounds like a plan :)
woven heart
Switch acquired 
Would it be in options under video or gameplay?
Got through one level without being sick, which is surprising
sturdy gyro
Swag. I believe it’s under video, but I could be wrong. Either way, it should be one of the first things you see.
sturdy gyro
Got through one level without being sick, which is surprising
That’s good. Is that because you found motion blur and disabled it? Or it just didn’t make you feel sick?
sturdy gyro
You’re welcome! Any time 👍🏻
woven heart
I remember I spent a whole digi lesson getting lost around the map and I was like “shit I’m getting dizzy”
sturdy gyro
I can only imagine. I really don’t get why most games have motion blur as “on” in the default settings, shit makes anyone dizzy af.
I remember playing Overwatch for a while and realized it was always giving me headaches. Had no idea why, until I realized something — every time I looked around, my screen went insanely blurry. Then I immediately realized motion blur was the cause
sturdy gyro
Yeah, definitely lol
woven heart
I can’t play minecraft for shit because it gave me a headache, Plus never was really into it
Also may I friend you?
sturdy gyro
Absolutely!
And yeah, Minecraft can get really fun with others but it’s boring af singleplayer
woven heart
Sweet! :D
woven heart
And yeah, Minecraft can get really fun with others but it’s boring af singleplay...
Agreed
To be fair I only used it to blow shit up lol
sturdy gyro
Lol I did something similar
A friend of mine ghosted me out of nowhere. However, I still had access to his Minecraft realm. I think you can guess what I did next.
Blew that shit up to oblivion
sturdy gyro
Definitely. I’m not usually the type to do petty shit like that, but it didn’t really hurt anyone.
woven heart
Yeah, after all it’s a minecraft server
sturdy gyro
Exactly
woven heart
It’s not like you blew an actual place up lmao
sturdy gyro
LMAO that would be an entirely different story
woven heart
LOL yeah
Imagine if the guy walked into some place with bombs strapped on him and he went “THIS IS FOR MY MINECRAFT SERVER!!”
sturdy gyro
HAHAHA
He was an online friend, I’d be more surprised if he knew where I lived if anything lol
woven heart
Lol fair
I’ve only blown up my friends farm on accident
This was in stardew and I thought “I can surely place a bomb there to put this thing in my inventory” I didn’t think it would explode destroying the crops 😭
sturdy gyro
Oh man 😭 I never played that game but that is absolutely something I would accidentally do
woven heart
It’s a great game! It’s pretty calm tbh
It’s like animal crossing minus that annoying Tom nook
woven heart
Picos school
(Mostly newgrounds games)
I’m thinking of getting half life and halo lol
sturdy gyro
I’ve never actually heard of picos school and newgrounds. I heard Half Life and Halo are really great though! I play on PS5, so I can’t really play them lol
woven heart
Nice!
Newgrounds is free, you can play games that people have made
And listen to music they make along with art lol
sturdy gyro
That actually sounds really dope
woven heart
And you can also make your own!
woven heart
That actually sounds really dope
It is
sturdy gyro
You play Overwatch by any chance? I’ve been looking for actually good teammates
sturdy gyro
Oh that’s right, you play on Switch. I think it’s on Switch too
woven heart
Is it free?
sturdy gyro
Yeah!
woven heart
Oh sweet!
sturdy gyro
It can be really fun, but can also get incredibly sweaty though.
sturdy gyro
I haven’t played it in a super long time, but I liked it when I played it
woven heart
Nice
sturdy gyro
Overwatch is actually inspired by TF2
woven heart
Really?
sturdy gyro
Yep
woven heart
I would’ve never guessed lmao
sturdy gyro
The gameplay is basically an advanced version of TF2
sturdy gyro
Lol nice
Anyways, I’m gonna call it a night. I did not realize how late it got lol. Have a gn, and I’ll ttyl!
woven heart
Goodnight and sleep well!! :)
sturdy gyro
Thank you, you too!
vast reef
Ohh that was unclear, I meant of all maps including fanmade
usually a tough choice tbh
just ask some top players about the hardest map they've played
iirc for david asaad it's a poogers or d5da2 map
narrow condor
It's not easy to define "hard" too. Does it count tedious and grindy maps that are doable but not worth the time and effort? (Like UV-maxing nuts.wad) Or RNG-heavy maps few people are willing to try over and over again?
ornate vortex
It's not easy to define "hard" too. Does it count tedious and grindy maps that a...
I know those kinda maps
(Flashback to Comatose)
ornate vortex
It really was tedious due to pretty much all monsters being spectre variants
if you missed even 1 monster, it could add minutes onto your time
narrow condor
Theoretically, it's not that hard to finish the map without restarting once if you have an infinite amount of time and motivation to play it like a Sunday stroll.
ornate vortex
Theoretically, it's not that hard to finish the map without restarting once if y...
True, the map isn't necessarily hard to finish, just very tedious to get all kills and secrets (mind you there's 23 secrets)
narrow condor
UV-maxing at a snail's pace, I mean.
Yeah, getting it all under 30 minutes is the real problem.
ornate vortex
Yeah, if you're like me and wanted to max in 30 mins
ornate vortex
Yeah, getting it all under 30 minutes is the real problem.
It forced me to memorise roughly where some monster spawning linedefs were, nearly all of them
narrow condor
Have you seen the UV-max speedrun of nuts.wad?
ornate vortex
You mean the TAS one Zero Master did?
narrow condor
Yeah. That's the epitome of tedium, even as a TAS.
Does that make it a hard map? I don't know.
ornate vortex
The whole idea of difficulty really is vague
Rush Map 2 is a great example of this
Casually, it's pretty easy
but when you uv-max speedrun it, holy crap does it become a nightmare
It took medi like 11k attempts to get 3:46 on it
ornate vortex
🥁
I ended up giving up on rush map 2, and just finished it in like 7 minutes and called it a speedrun
I wasn't as experienced when i played that map
But the first area was basically complete rng
narrow condor
Maybe I'll give it a try too. I'm not too fond of slaughtermaps but I enjoy the 'siege' type of maps popularised by Alien Vendetta where you slowly, piece by piece do away with the monsters.
ornate vortex
Maybe I'll give it a try too. I'm not too fond of slaughtermaps but I enjoy the ...
Rush is what I call simple slaughter
narrow condor
How do you define it?
ornate vortex
Well, it's classified as a slaughter wad, however, back when the term was used, it was usually associated with very tough maps
Well, slaughter imo is just high monster count, big arenas where you fight tons of monsters
Example being the final arena of God Machine
narrow condor
Yeah but there are many different types. For example those that take place in wide open arenas where you deal with waves of monsters spawning in. Or the siege type I mentioned where you walk into a giant room with clusters of monsters and have to prioritise the map into different chunks.
Or the more technical ones that are essentially combat puzzles with massive amounts of monsters.
ornate vortex
Rush probably fits the Siege type in that case
Rush is also pretty short
There's 12 maps, and they usually take around 5-10 minutes to beat each
(except the last one, which takes over an hour)
narrow condor
Ah, lovely.
vast reef
It's not easy to define "hard" too. Does it count tedious and grindy maps that a...
yeah, that too
lots of things define difficulty
ornate vortex
There is one argument I actually have with this
vast reef
Or the more technical ones that are essentially combat puzzles with massive amou...
i wanna see some of the technical ones
ornate vortex
and it's what I call, the Dimensions Dilemma
vast reef
i wanna see some of the technical ones
they seem really fun but idk if i've really tried any
vast reef
and it's what I call, the Dimensions Dilemma
intriguing
ornate vortex
Like, would DImensions be defined difficult in all categories?
narrow condor
To be fair, all the technical ones I've seen appear as set pieces in larger maps rather than standalone ones.
ornate vortex
Like, would DImensions be defined difficult in all categories?
I mean, the maps speak for themselves.
narrow condor
I think Micro Slaughter Community Project is a particularly good example of a mapset packed with technical slaughter fights.
ornate vortex
Upside down platforming, highly aggressive slaughter gameplay
vast reef
I think Micro Slaughter Community Project is a particularly good example of a ma...
ooh, thanks
that's on my to-play list
narrow condor
(Disclaimer: I haven't played it but I've seen a playthrough of it.)
ornate vortex
Darkest Room I feel like would be technical slaughter
idk if it's classified as slaughter exactly
the fights are pretty low in scale
but a lot of fights consist of having all the enemies shown to you beforehand, and then you having to figure out what to do without waking them all up
dusty totem
If you could remove one limit of the doom 2 engine/game, what would it be?
narrow condor
Well, limits that are genuinely annoying have already been removed in most ports.
Visplane limit is an infamous one that makes intricate maps really difficult to port to vanilla Doom.
dusty totem
I thought more of the logical limitations like doors moving sideways or being able to build more than two floors under eachother
Or add more kinds of triggers
As in unlimited
azure nimbus
If you could remove one limit of the doom 2 engine/game, what would it be?
in vanilla doom, a yellow skull and card open exactly the same doors. It wasn't until source ports that there were doors that could only be opened by a yellow skull
narrow condor
I like how KDiKDiZD circumvented that by putting invisible barriers in front of doors that instantly and silently lower once the player reaches the correct key.
lilac knoll
What's the cleanest doom 1 and 2 source port you would advise me ?
narrow condor
What do you mean by clean?
narrow condor
Brutal Doom is just a mod, not a source port. (It runs on the source port GZDoom.) You can simply not use it when you play Doom.
lilac knoll
O i didn't know.that
narrow condor
Enjoy!
azure nimbus
What's the cleanest doom 1 and 2 source port you would advise me ?
DSDA has a really nice overlay for kills/items/secrets but otherwise looks just like dos doom(with higher resoultion and better aspect ratio if you prefer). GZdoom also has enough options to make it look like vanilla but dsda has the better overlay and actually emulates vanilla
lilac knoll
Oh thanks
unborn meteor
Does anybody know where I can get plutonia and the other infamous custom levels?
dusty totem
In Unity port (current retail version), go to addons and download plutonia
unborn meteor
What about the steam version
dusty totem
The steam version is the Unity port
dapper flint
What about the steam version
Steam is unity now
unborn meteor
O
dusty totem
O
For more custom levels than unity offers, you will need to download a sourceport like gzdoom and the custom levels from doomworld
dapper flint
Moddb also
frosty dove
I’m suprised there hasn’t been a doom PSX re release for the Unity ports of doom
Especially since that has its own unique levels due to the ps1 having different ways of rendering
dapper flint
I’m suprised there hasn’t been a doom PSX re release for the Unity ports of doom...
There is psx ce. For gz doom. It's fantastic
proper bough
ultimate doom, UV. What are your top 3 hardest maps?
ornate vortex
ultimate doom, UV. What are your top 3 hardest maps?
e4m1, e4m6, e2m5
e2m5 isn't really hard because of monsters, more hard because of navigation and eh map design
proper bough
e4m1, e4m6, e2m5
i've only played through episode 4 one time (i just recently started playing doom) and e4m2 was SO hard
i played with a friend too and we died so much lol
ornate vortex
oh yeah, e4m2 as well
I find that level forgettable
All I know is that e4 is way harder than any of the three episodes
proper bough
so true
this is totally unrelated, but im using this thing called dsda-launcher to play. i tried to go to a specific level of doom2 and it wont start... but when i try to start on level 1 it boots up just fine
any ideas why?
pearl osprey
@molten iron ^
molten iron
hi
molten iron
this is totally unrelated, but im using this thing called dsda-launcher to play....
What does it say in the console?
proper bough
What do you mean by 'won't start'?
it doesn't throw an error to my knowledge. what happens when it works is i hit "launch" and the screen goes black for a second, then doom boots up. when it doesn't work, the screen goes black for a second, but doom does not start up it just takes me back to the launcher
let me try and run it again but i'll check the console
proper bough
What does it say in the console?
thanks for saying this! after checking console i realized it was trying to play a demo file and thats probably what was preventing it from starting.... what's weird though is it had no problem starting the games from the beginning. having the demo file there only effected it when trying to select a level
molten iron
There were some problems when running demos and trying to warps to levels on prboom+
dsda-doom decided that if you were warping to a level which was not present in the demo, then it would not run
For the next version of the launcher Im going to make the console show up whenever an error is detected.
pearl osprey
<@439722592249839617> did you make the launcher???
Yes he is the developer
proper bough
whoa! @molten iron idk how much help i could be but i do programming stuff too and i've always been looking for projects to contribute. lmk if you think of anything i could possibly do to help!!
silver rose
What's ur favorite level in the first doom
molten iron
whoa! <@439722592249839617> idk how much help i could be but i do programming st...
Feel free to contribute to this project!
There are also a ton of other open source Doom projects you could look at and try to improve
proper bough
@molten iron are you ok with me DMing you? i dont want to spam this channel + the slowmode
molten iron
Sure
stark acorn
All I know is that e4 is way harder than any of the three episodes
Thy Flesh Consumed? yeah it is quite considerably harder
especially on UV
azure nimbus
It's hard to overestimate how important launchers are for accessibility, especially when considering that they're one of the more straightforward things to program(I believe it's something something writing a batch file and running the batch at its core). While dos doomers might be comfortable with a command line, I can't imagine players who grew up with Graphic user interfaces like me writing or a text command to play a game
pearl osprey
I specifically love dsda-launcher because it does some extra stuff that can't be easily done with the terminal
The launch history is my favorite
narrow condor
But you can always use the shell history. That's what I do. I press C-r, type, say, surge and it brings up gzdoom -iwad iwad/DOOM2.WAD -file Resurge.wad -file mods/levelinfo.pk3.
Not saying launchers aren't useful, just to be clear.
hexed escarp
is there a universal doom launcher that works with any doom port?
that lets you select a port, wads, and mods and other parameters?
pearl osprey
I think doomrunner and ZDL both are
molten iron
fish shell does actually allow me to auto complete previous commands
I prefer zsh a shit ton of plugins. But fish seems cool
ZDL is prabably the best for multiple source ports
I still plan on forking dsda-launcher to make it support multiple source ports
pearl osprey
That'd be cool to see
hexed escarp
I think doomrunner and ZDL both are
does zdl work for non zdoom ports?
molten iron
yes
pearl osprey
Ye
hexed escarp
oh coool
azure nimbus
or at least not in the ui exactly. But there is an "extra commands" section of zdl where the required line can be added to do demos or comp levels
hexed escarp
i just had a really cool idea for a thing to make, but idk if its something that i want to do
pearl osprey
spill the beans
dapper flint
ZDL is prabably the best for multiple source ports
Zdl is just the way to go for me.
hexed escarp
basically, dosbox doom launcher
it is integrated with dosbox, and allows you to select which dos executable you want to use (you could have like a folder with ultimate doom, doom 2, final doom, and boom and whatever others you want) and then you can select parameters and wads, and maybe even select a dehacked file and it would generate the new executable
that way you dont have to go thru the hassle of setting up dosbox
pearl osprey
I'd just use chocolate doom in that case tbh
pearl osprey
what if the launcher was instead a dos program
narrow condor
I'm inclined to believe such hardcore purists would take pleasure in painstakingly setting up Doom, but I do see the appeal/niche for it.
amber aurora
Hey, y'all. I have a question about telefragging. I was explaining to some people how i managed to kill a boss in Dusk by telefragging him, and i mentioned examples of Telefragging in doom. And the question came up whether telefragging is something that delibrately programmed into the game or if it's just something that happens if y'all get what i mean. Like is it a feature you have to put in, or is it just part of how teleporters and hitboxes and stuff works?
dapper flint
Hey, y'all. I have a question about telefragging. I was explaining to some peopl...
I'd say both
pearl osprey
Hey, y'all. I have a question about telefragging. I was explaining to some peopl...
It's a feature
If you somehow get stuck inside another enemy, for example if you create a map where you spawn in inside a monster you get stuck instead of it dying
It probably originated as a bug
dapper flint
Ya most likely
pearl osprey
And a simple fix was to create telefragging
pearl osprey
https://github.com/zsh-users/zsh-autosuggestions
Ah that's cool
amber aurora
Alrighty, so it was created to solve a problem is the answer pretty much?
Thanks guys
azure nimbus
Hey, y'all. I have a question about telefragging. I was explaining to some peopl...
It's definitely planned. There are even levels where that is the clear expected solution like e4m2
amber aurora
It's definitely planned. There are even levels where that is the clear expected ...
Yeah e4m2 is like the place where a telefrag is explicitly planned
I wasn't prepared for that when i played the level. I teleported, expecting to BFG the cyberdemon, but i turn around and i just see bloody hoofs
E4 was just so painful for me. I'm really bad at games and e4m2 and e4m6 both took me like the better part of a day to finish
Just constantly saving every time i killed an enemy without taking too much damage
Now i'm kind of burnt out on classic doom for the forseeable future. I played 70 hours in like two weeks and now i don't want to touch the game again.
I played TNT: Evilution up until map 30 until i got to the Icon of Sin and just quit the game and decided to do something fun instead like ripping my toenails out
azure nimbus
hopefully you revisit it eventually. The game has a lot to offer
amber aurora
Yeah, i kind of want to play some other Megawads, like Sigil and Plutonia and stuff
Speaking of which
Is there a way to put the Doom II wads into the Unity version of Ultimate Doom?
Because i haven't actually played Doom II. When i launch Final Doom, it asks me, do you want Final Doom, Plutonia or TNT? I say i want Final Doom and then when it opens Dosbox it loads me into Plutonia
azure nimbus
doom1 on steam has access to plutonia
amber aurora
Yeah, but i want to play Doom II
And that's why i fire up Final Doom
But it loads me into Plutonia instead
dapper flint
And that's why i fire up Final Doom
Final dooms just tnt and plutonia.
amber aurora
I see
Then where do you go to get Doom II?
Oh wait
For some reason i had Doom II hidden in my steam library, so when i browse through my list of games looking for it, it wasn't there
So that kind of explains why i was so confused about where Doom II was
hexed escarp
if something shoots a bfg ball and then dies before it hits anything, will tracers still be fired?
proper bough
Ah that's cool
Fish does it so well they had to copy for zsh lol
royal heron
I find that level forgettable
wdym e4m2 is so memorable 
frosty dove
wdym e4m2 is so memorable <:doomcry:668559689205940249>
It’s so rememberable in fact that the WAD doom but something is not right (map makers had to make doom 1 by memory) nearly identical to the original
Decino played it and he was shocked because of how accurate it was
serene garnet
azure nimbus
if something shoots a bfg ball and then dies before it hits anything, will trace...
yes. You can test this by firing a bfg ball and well... dying. try it with the e2m8 cyber(with idkfa). Makes no difference for single player beyond adding insult to injury after a death
ornate vortex
wdym e4m2 is so memorable <:doomcry:668559689205940249>
i find ultimate doom in terms of maps forgettable anyways
since this year is doom’s 30th anniversary tho, I might end up doing episode speedruns for the original 3
vast reef
ZDL is prabably the best for multiple source ports
i use doom runner because presets
also lets you add parameters to the command line
haven't used ZDL in a year so i can't remember if it had that feature
ionic sable
dapper flint
Love map haha nice
narrow condor
Boy, ALT sure is something else. I went back to play the secret maps and one of them has this:
||After finding all keys, you use them to enter the final room with mandatory supercharge, invulnerability and blur sphere. The room has ten archviles lined up with a cyberdemon in the front, all have their backs turned. I forgot this was ALT and punched the air to get the cyberdemon to wake up, but I noticed they were in invisible boxes with sound-blocking linedefs. So I pressed the switch right in front of the cyberdemon, which just opened a room full of pathetic zombiemen shooting each other. From there you continue to the actual ending room and the cyberdemon + archviles fight never actually happens. It's not possible to get 100% kills.||
hexed escarp
is it possible to make crispy doom save demos to a different folder so that my crispy folder doesnt have 2 pages of demos?
azure nimbus
Magnolia does that too
hexed escarp
lmao i love watching demos and just sitting in a random part much later in the level and watch the enemies just doing their thing, and then you start to hear firing noises
and then you hear a door open, and you see the guy standing right at the turn in the hallway get shot and then doomguy comes around and starts fucking up all of the demons in there
dapper flint
Absolutely. Playing through the way id did with it. Fantastic
dapper flint
Well I feel some wads might be broken because of how more aggressive and fast d4 monsters are
dapper flint
That's epic man! Keep it up !
azure nimbus
das bradical
sleek hornet
Never too late
sleek hornet
Hello all
Where can I download PrBoom + ?
I found this link on an old Decino video : https://github.com/coelckers/prboom-plus/releases/tag/v2.6.1um but it's not the last release
I found the latest version here : https://github.com/coelckers/prboom-plus but I can't find the download button. I don't know how Github works.
Thx for the help 🙂
narrow condor
There's a 'Releases' section on the sidebar. If you click that, it'll take you to the page that lists all released versions, starting from the newest one. (You know it's the newest version if it says 'Latest' next to it.)
If you're using Windows, download the one named like prboom-plus-version-w32.zip under the release of the version you want to get.
sleek hornet
Thank you so much !
molten iron
Decino recently switched to dsda-doom. You should take a look at it
sleek hornet
What are the differences ?
late berry
narrow condor
IIRC most of that map is optional.
Simply grab the blue key and make haste to the exit. But secrets will make things easier. If you're struggling, I say go ahead and look up where the secrets are on the wiki and try beating the map with them.
finite crag
i am playing doom for the first time playing the 1993 one its so fun
Epic
hexed escarp
is it possible to make crispy doom save demos to a folder inside the crispy folder so that my crispy folder doesnt get filled with a billion demos?
royal heron
is it possible to make crispy doom save demos to a folder inside the crispy fold...
Maybe you could try and reroute the location the demos are stored in?
So maybe you make a new folder in the crispy folder
Then you could rewrite the path the demos go to to that folder
hexed escarp
Then you could rewrite the path the demos go to to that folder
how do i do this
royal heron
I assume you're on windows so I'm not of much help since I use mac, but essentially you want to find the path that leads to the crispy folder, then add the extra folder name at the end before then entering the desired demo name to be recorded?
I'm not totally sure how to explain this without pictures
And I'm actually not at home rn so I don't have access to a computer
I guess I could supply some sort of example
I use the dsda-launcher which is pretty convenient for recording demos but basically I first have it look for a path for my recorded demos to be stored in
I usually store it in a folder called "Doom Stuff" which has a "demos" folder in it, which also has a "recording" folder in it
The path written out in order to get to that would be Users/(my account name)/Desktop/Doom Stuff/demos/recording/demoname.imp
hexed escarp
The path written out in order to get to that would be ```Users/(my account name)...
yeah i tried this but it just didnt save the demo at all
frosty dove
Do you guys think Romero will make sigil 2
dapper flint
Do you guys think Romero will make sigil 2
He's already working on it. It's coming out for dooms 30th anniversary
frosty dove
Oh wow ok
I actually did not know (I’m suspended off twitter because well, twitter)
dapper flint
Oh wow ok
I actually did not know (I’m suspended off twitter because well, twitt...
Well there is a fantastic Romero server. Definitely check it out
hexed escarp
Oh wow ok
I actually did not know (I’m suspended off twitter because well, twitt...
Look up his twitch, he streams sigil 2 mapping on occasion
proper bough
BigMacDavis and decino doing a video together would be really awesome
finite crag
He's already working on it. It's coming out for dooms 30th anniversary
Bro Hi.
azure nimbus
they're both itempilled now
green inlet
can u do an update for doom 1 and 2 for androids/ios soon?
azure nimbus
ok I'll get on it
narrow condor
What kind of update? To add jumping and crouching?
azure nimbus
what kind of doom game is complete without wave dashing
dapper flint
I need the bullet time update now!
copper stump
Doom & Quake: more than just video games is the video series which sets the goal to unite and expand Doom & Quake communities.
This is episode #1: Characters and connections: https://youtu.be/qOuANm1W78A
dapper flint
Officially chainsawed my first cyberdemon today
narrow condor
Nice. Did you manage to paralyse it?
dapper flint
Nice. Did you manage to paralyse it?
I slow rolled it predicted its health and leroy one shot the fucker
narrow condor
Impressive!
dapper flint
I have it recorded. I'll upload it tmw
dapper flint
Nice to see you here
You also bro
autumn marsh
wait there was a green card??
but can somone tell me how to play online easily?
i cant figure it out
narrow condor
wait there was a green card??
Funnily enough, there isn't. I don't know who made these sprites for the emotes.
azure nimbus
you have to find the green card (zandronum, woof, zdaemon, odemex) are all ways to play online. doomseeker is a good resource too. If you look those up, you'll find some video guides I'm sure
fathom trench
Just found out classic doom is on EmuVR
halcyon willow
but can somone tell me how to play online easily?
i cant figure it out
download zandronum, which comes with doomseeker. use doomseeker to find servers and join the fun. you can host your own servers through TSPG (the sentinels playground) hosting service
azure nimbus
there might be some freedoom servers idk but yeah you gotta use doom2.wad from your steam
serene garnet
freedoom2 resources should theoretically be compatible with doom2 servers but yeah, better to have DOOM2.wad
serene garnet
@autumn marsh is it possible you downloaded the 32bit version instead of the 64bit? or vice versa?
ornate vortex
I recommend if you want to make vanilla maps you check out doomkid’s work
he’s been a main contributor to wads like rowdy rudy’s revenge which are very impressive in terms of vanilla
and just know there’s quite a few limitations when it comes to making vanilla maps
fathom trench
EmuVR works on Meta Quest ?
Only if you have a pc to connect it to
sleek hornet
The shotgun yes, the Supershot Gun use 2
viral moth
thx
finite crag
autumn marsh
<@869657405594677322> is it possible you downloaded the 32bit version instead of...
i dont know
i just clicked one that said reccomended
green inlet
What kind of update? To add jumping and crouching?
no
i think add more options
in the settings
narrow condor
Namely?
narrow condor
👍
green inlet
maybe change hud in og doom
narrow condor
With what?
ornate vortex
we’re not devs for doom, so we wouldn’t know how to update the engine on ios
we’re just doom geeks that know a lot about the game mechanics
amber aurora
Finally beat TNT: Evilution
I kind of quit at map 30 because i was getting frustrated with the Icon of Sin. I was getting really frustrated again today because i fired like 70 rockets at the icon and nothing happened 💢
I guess there's a pretty specific spot you have to stand. Like just on the edge of the stairs and not up against the far back wall?!?!?!?
azure nimbus
It's on the third stair. Your rocket lands lower on the icon of sin wall texture than other wads because they're goobers
royal heron
Ye
spice radish
what doom multiplayer port you reccomend
odamex
zaedameon
zandronum
Zandronum most mod friendly sourceport closest to a multiplayer GZDoom
amber aurora
Excellent design. Like i was firing 70 rockets and wondering how many it would take. So i watched a youtube video and the guy fired 8 rockets and it was done, so i took his cue and stood where he stood and lo and behold, after just a few rockets i got the victory screen 
spice radish
Zandronum most mod friendly sourceport closest to a multiplayer GZDoom
*most mod friendly multiplayer source port
amber aurora
So now i can officially say i've beaten TNT: Evilution. Now i can focus on Doom II, and maybe Plutonia if i feel like getting slapped around some more.
halcyon willow
what doom multiplayer port you reccomend
odamex
zaedameon
zandronum
zandro is by far the easiest to set up
autumn marsh
Ok
I will do it when i get home
Ive been wanting to play doom online for a long time
gritty tartan
Anyone wanna play Doom Shareware together?
stark acorn
Anyone wanna play Doom Shareware together?
Stop being a freeloader and register DOOM. Call us now at 1-800-IDGAMES.
gritty tartan
Stop being a freeloader and register DOOM. Call us now at 1-800-IDGAMES.
XD
Good idea
finite crag
Or just press f1 in your shareware copy of DOOM
wooden aurora
ive returned
is this still the GZDoom hate circlejerk channel?
zenith berry
Stop being a freeloader and register DOOM. Call us now at 1-800-IDGAMES.
Sure, don’t order DOOM. Sit back with your milk and cookies and let the universe go to Hell.
azure nimbus
I take credit for most of that and even I say it's fine. I just wish people used it for heavily modified Gameplay or pk3s that require it instead of a general use vanilla but inaccurate
zenith berry
I play with GZDoom but I configure it to be similar to vanilla (jump unbinded, no freelook and no texture filtering…)
And of course, using the AdLib music.
minor zephyr
potato+ calculator doom > crispy/ choco/ gzdoom
proper bough
CRISPY DOOM IS BETTER
dada doom is what i've been using lately and its great!
dapper flint
ive returned
is this still the GZDoom hate circlejerk channel?
Nah purist can eat shit
stark acorn
pr
dapper flint
Generally play the way you want and let other people live their lives
azure nimbus
Do not let other people live their lives. Choose more battles. Just make sure that it's not you left on the hill -- Ghandi
minor zephyr
Do not let other people live their lives. Choose more battles. Just make sure th...
based ghandi
vast reef
Nah purist can eat shit
👆
atomic stag
Anybody know why my shareware version of Doom and Doom II doesn't have any music?
narrow condor
But Doom 2 doesn't have a shareware version.
wooden aurora
Anybody know why my shareware version of Doom and Doom II doesn't have any music...
what source port you running?
wooden aurora
Its on a windows 98
check and make sure your sound drivers are setup properly through SETUP.EXE
wooden aurora
make sure music is properly set up in the setup program
for some it'll be off by default
atomic stag
Welp I wish I knew this 20 years ago when I was trying to figure it out
ornate vortex
I got impatient at waiting to speedrun Sunlust
I'm now doing HMP-Max for the 32 maps
Since i'm not skilled enough for Ultra Violence
I assume you can submit Hurt Me Plenty Max runs for doom wads on DSDA, not that i've seen many
azure nimbus
Yeah that's fine
narrow condor
Are you going to pistol start each map or go for a continuous playthrough?
vale gyro
Do not let other people live their lives. Choose more battles. Just make sure th...
no wonder why Ghandi nuked my country
azure nimbus
they were playing with texture filtering
fleet hearth
no wonder why Ghandi nuked my country
bro 💀
finite crag
they were playing with texture filtering
the worst sin
spare musk
just beat E1 on DOOM 93
proper bough
just beat E1 on DOOM 93
Fuck yeah what did you think of the end?
ornate vortex
Are you going to pistol start each map or go for a continuous playthrough?
pistol start each map, since it’s speedrunning
Hurt Me Plenty is kinda nice early game, it doesn’t throw too many high tier monsters at you
but it is still ever so hard late game
i ended up just starting the hmp runs because i realised that I don’t really like eviternity after speedrunning it
coarse igloo
Multi monitor with DOS Doom, wow 😄
finite crag
is there a way to implement it in virtualbox
I'm going to try it
so I will create 3 different DOS VMs
I'll keep you updated
finite crag
for some reason, when I have more than 1 VM open, it lags af. Gonna try VMware, and then DOSBox
pearl osprey
Isn't there a way to run a game in multiple monitors in graphics driver settings?
You can probably have just one source port or dosbox instance running and enable surround monitors
finite crag
in doom unity?
pearl osprey
Doesn't matter what doom port it is
finite crag
I'll try
pearl osprey
Nvidia cards have "surround monitors" and AMD cards have Eyefinity multi-display
Should work in any game
finite crag
I don't think it'll work on my GPU bcz it's a laptop AMD, and it's kind of old
coarse igloo
well if a sourceport is allowed then it probably works already out of the box with gzdoom
but the interesting part is, that in the video he did it with the doom 1.1 dos version of id
proper bough
i sent the screenshot in <#832527939153297448>
If it was too ez make sure you replay on ultra violence and nightmare
hexed escarp
does anybody know what song is used at the beginning of this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQlaeLopGE4
you might say donna to the rescue, but no, if you listen its a different melody
pearl osprey
Have you tried shazaming it?
hexed escarp
Have you tried shazaming it?
didnt work
its a midi
and it uses the same start as e3m2
but when the melody comes in its a different melody
finite crag
I don't think it'll work on my GPU bcz it's a laptop AMD, and it's kind of old
I successfully installed 3 DOS VMs on VMware
finite crag
didnt work
I also tried the thing on google, but that didn't work
hexed escarp
yeah since its a midi its probably not in any song databases
hexed escarp
no this is a remake of the original midi
the one in the video is a different midi that uses the same base riff but has a different melody
spice radish
no this is a remake of the original midi
Found it
https://youtu.be/iNezRYD5kdI
hexed escarp
Found it
https://youtu.be/iNezRYD5kdI
nononononono why does nobody understand that is the original midi from doom 1
the one in the video i sent sounds similar to that but it has a different melody
spice radish
nononononono why does nobody understand that is the original midi from doom 1
I can’t think of what else it could be. The one in the video IS Donna To The Rescue. There’s nothing else it could be
Nothing comes to mind anyway
hexed escarp
I can’t think of what else it could be. The one in the video IS Donna To The Res...
it isnt tho, if you listen, the square wave melody is not there in the civvie video, it instead has a different strings melody
starts at 20 seconds
spice radish
it isnt tho, if you listen, the square wave melody is not there in the civvie vi...
Maybe he used a slightly remixed version then or it’s being run through a different sound font
hexed escarp
its not a different soundfont, but yeah its definitely a remixed version, im just trying to find the remixed version
thats why i asked here
tepid tulip
Currently playing Evilution with the final Doomer mod on
Kinda enjoy Evilution so far, even in three levels
stiff oak
can anyone tell me why obsidian level generator maps always crash with PRBoom+?
spice radish
Maybe there just not compatible with PRBoom+?
stiff oak
well the thing is, obsidian has a PRBoom compat setting, along with a boom compat setting
narrow condor
PRBoom compat as in -complevel 12 through 16?
hexed escarp
the fact that dario casali worked on half life makes the frustration of on a rail make much more sense lol
autumn marsh
yo i got zandronum after a long time of trying to get it working
autumn marsh
if anyone wants to play doom 1 on zandronum you can join now on coop mode
tepid tulip
Yeah
I think I like TNT Evilution more than Doom 2
Only map I find a bit overcomplicating itself was Map08 (Metal) but I think it was fun but yeah that was a slog
torn pivot
Doom - Atari Jaquar (Calico-v2, PC port) Ultra Violence (Part 2) 100% Secrets
https://youtu.be/zx9j3i4MGJw
rain tusk
i bought classic doom on steam because I thought it was gonna be like duke nukem and it was amazing
keen crag
i bought classic doom on steam because I thought it was gonna be like duke nukem...
doom 1 or doom 2? (or both)
rain tusk
1
keen crag
i'm pretty jealous that you got to play it for the first time
both 1 and 2 are completely awesome and hold up really well
dapper flint
There's a reason they call them classics
hexed escarp
zdoom without the g has only software renderer right?
hexed escarp
completely unrelated to my last question above lol, is there something like otex, but for decoration sprites instead of patches and flats?
narrow condor
Just played Poison Oak (M32 of Resurgence) and I think it's much better than Poison Ivy II (M23 of SoD). Very spacious and comfortable to play, unlike the maps it's a pastiche of. Even constricted fights like the final fight feel fair and balanced.
merry cypress
Does anyone know a doom modder that understands scripting? ACS, ZScript or Decorate might be needed!
What we are trying to create:
When the player is in a really dark place he should get hallucinations like: some acid overlay, some ghosts or flowers should spawn near him, the soundtrack should change and then after staying for really too long he should pass out, the screen should be black, and then he should come back in the same spot near a pool of vomit, and the soundtrack should come back to normal again
hexed escarp
sorry, all i know is dehacked, and that wouldnt be able to do this :/
tepid tulip
Yeah
I'm having alot of fun playing TNT Evilution with Final Doomer+, I feel pretty badass playing it
I know TNT Evilution does have a slump but when does it slump?
I usually heard it's around map20s or something
I am excited for Mt Pain stage in Map27
finite crag
I usually heard it's around map20s or something
20-23 is pretty awful
tepid tulip
20-23 is pretty awful
So seems like I'll have to endure that stretch then
I am playing on HMP
Also follow up question
Map14 is weird for me to figure out
Am I supposed to use the hazmat (I say this as to time it, I don't wanna waste it for nothing) to cross the crushers?
finite crag
ah no idea I'd look at a walkthrough if I were you
tepid tulip
That's fine
lyric siren
:
tepid tulip
Okay so I did figure it out blind but yeah I think Map14 TNT might be one I don't care for
hexed escarp
Could you make a map that is three different maps depending on which skill you are playing on by having difficulty specific player starts?
azure nimbus
Could you make a map that is three different maps depending on which skill you a...
not directly. p1 starts ignore difficulty setting(just tested in dbuilder) but is doable with mapping tricks(difficulty dependent lost souls in monster closets triggering linedefs)
you could have the default HMP setup be that one teleporter is blocked so you take the other. But a lost soul on UV/NM in some closet trips a linedef that blocks the HMP teleporter and opens the other. That way, doomguy takes separate teles depending on difficulty at the start. open up fractured worlds in the editor. It uses this technique for difficulty dependent platforming
pearl osprey
Could you make a map that is three different maps depending on which skill you a...
I think you can have 3 different paths for each difficulty and 2 of them blocked by a decoration thing
spice radish
I'm having alot of fun playing TNT Evilution with Final Doomer+, I feel pretty b...
Maybe cause your playing with a mod TNTs sucking less
tepid tulip
Maybe cause your playing with a mod TNTs sucking less
I'd probably agree with that honestly
royal heron
Map18 is shit
tepid tulip
I will say there are stages I don't care for or on vanilla I'd probably struggle with alot more
royal heron
Map18 literally looks the same everywhere
There is no sense of direction
Ans the encounters are lackluster
tepid tulip
I do like pharaoh, and I am currently planning on going through Caribbean
royal heron
Map22 is horribly built
You can literally finish the map in less than 20 seconds which is a godsend because it's like map18 but 1000x worse if you take the normal route
tepid tulip
I do think that I should've played this on UV instead of HMP bc I dunno why but I feel underwhelmed
Maybe bc I watched MtPains reviews and say "why there isn't a cyberdemon in map13" or "why isn't there a spider mastermind in map14"
But then I realize, I'm playing on HMP
But tbf I play a mapset on HMP to get a feel of the map, bc if I did it lower I wouldn't feel a challenge or baseline, but if I put it too hard, I wouldn't be familiar with stuff like the map beforehand
summer oxide
ultra violence is sort of the default difficulty. it's what most maps are designed around, just on a basic level. I think it's the difficulty where things are most balanced and ofc you don't get the full experience for most maps and custom wads without it due to different enemy spawns. Don't be afraid to challenge yourself if you think hmp is too easy, if you're experienced with other fps games it probably is.
dapper flint
It's neat to see some maps built around hmp
ornate vortex
a lot of ribbiks maps are built around all difficulties really
sunlust recommends people who aren’t confident to try hurt me plenty or even not too rough
but tbf, uv sunlust is designed for those who are pretty experienced at doom in general
hexed escarp
is it possible to do silent doors in the mbf21 complevel (includes mbf and boom)
narrow condor
I really appreciate mapmakers who bother to implement all three skill levels in their maps.
Even though 75% of people will only play them in UV.
azure scaffold
is it possible to do silent doors in the mbf21 complevel (includes mbf and boom)
if im not mistaken then yes since all sector sounds starts from the vertex of that sector with the lowest index (as indexed in the vertex table), including door sounds. have the door merged with a sector 3km away from the door (with the lowest index far away) then the player wont hear it. this is how silent insta raise bridges is done, so its doable in not just boom or mbf21 or mbf but also vanilla
hexed escarp
cool thx!
fringe quiver
DOOM 1 has to be the best out of any DOOM game released before 2016
If I'm being honest
keen crag
DOOM 1 has to be the best out of any DOOM game released before 2016
certainly had the best levels
spice radish
DOOM 1 has to be the best out of any DOOM game released before 2016
Had the best level design and soundtrack.
sleek hornet
The infamous chaingunners level is in Plutonia or TNT ? I have a doubt.
narrow condor
Plutonia is the one known for its chaingunner and revenant traps.
narrow condor
They're definitely worth playing, at least once. 👍
next drum
once i completed the very first level in doom (1993) (steam) on the hardest setting, it was only the first level, E1M1
sleek hornet
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/107015-wad-progression-for-skill-improvement/
If I had more time, i'd love to play all these wads to pratice in HMP and then UV.
tepid tulip
ultra violence is sort of the default difficulty. it's what most maps are desig...
Like I dunno, it's not that I would find it overbearing but I do feel slightly empty bc I didn't play on UV
But again, I play on HMP to get a feel for maps, then I play UV to test my skills
Honestly with the mod I'm using, it'll probably feel better to play UV
azure scaffold
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/107015-wad-progression-for-skill-improveme...
dimensions & probably some of the harder wads from hmp to uv is a gigantic leap tho so dont do it for all of them actually
sleek hornet
dimensions & probably some of the harder wads from hmp to uv is a gigantic leap ...
I will never suceed Dimensions, not even in ITYD. Or maybe with god 😁 Decino himself don't do this.
sleek hornet
Is there any speedrun or playthrough online on map mode ? I mean with the map on overlay ? It would be a cool challenge, I think some players already done this.
azure nimbus
Doom uses the demo format where the game saves your inputs to recreate the run. But demos don't actually store map usage. So not really. But you can be the first to install a weird youtube challenge
sleek hornet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5CLDBhGy7I
I found somthing here. But it's not the usual automap.
brazen canyon
Doomguy runs a 36 37 or 38 mph
summer oxide
Is there any speedrun or playthrough online on map mode ? I mean with the map on...
I wouldn't be surprised, speedruns barely have to look at the enemies already, so having the automap up, given the vertical autoaim doom has, probably would be very doable
summer oxide
Honestly with the mod I'm using, it'll probably feel better to play UV
which mod are you playing
dapper flint
When it comes to mods I highly recommend corruption cards. Really spices up maps you've played to death
tepid tulip
which mod are you playing
Final Doomer+
I don't necessarily need extra stuff to make it difficult, it's still challenging for me in spite of me sounding like I'm underwhelmed, I was mainly me looking at what UV is
And forgetting monster placement can be different in different difficulties
ornate vortex
You know it's rough when you have to put up a short video saying "I haven't enjoyed speedrunning eviternity as much as I thought I would"
I suppose that's the cons with just a lot of things, there are some wads that you just don't enjoy
dapper flint
Eviternity in general is overrated. And I've played it 3 times.
ornate vortex
I played it once casually
I enjoyed casual playthrough, but speedrunning it has been a real pain
dapper flint
You want to play a real gem give Heartland a play.
Haven't seen any speed runs of that yet
ornate vortex
I was planning on finishing Rush, but yeah, I suppose I could give that a go
idrk how the eternity engine works or how to set it up
dapper flint
It's just like any other port. Download toss it in a folder and then throw it on zdl
And bam you're ready to go
ornate vortex
That's an idea i'm gonna note down, Heartland genuinely seems amazing
like it's basically everything Skillsaw has develloped up to
dapper flint
It's absolutely perfect in every way. I've played it 11 times now. It's fantastic from start to finish I couldn't find a complaint if I tried
ornate vortex
It's like my relationship with Rush, i believe speedrunning it has been my 6th time playing through the wad
Short Slaughtermaps are something I enjoy
grizzled swan
Is the dlc chapter worth doing?
narrow condor
No Rest for the Living?
grizzled swan
No Rest for the Living?
It might be? Its the 4th chapter of doom
tepid tulip
Eviternity in general is overrated. And I've played it 3 times.
The music does slap tho I'll say
I mean I really enjoyed it too
grizzled swan
Im replaying it now but in my initial playthrough i only did the first 3 chapters
narrow condor
Oh, Thy Flesh Consumed. That's not a DLC.
tepid tulip
It might be? Its the 4th chapter of doom
That's Thy Flesh Consumed
No Rest for the Living is a standalone right?
narrow condor
Yeah, it's worth playing, although it's considerably harder.
No, it's a Doom 2 pwad.
tepid tulip
I wasn't saying it was part of Doom 1 just saying standalone in general
Inferred is Doom 2
tepid tulip
I would like to try Memento Mori down the line, I haven't done it yet but I like the osts
Especially MM2 (mainly the Klem tracks)
narrow condor
MM didn't age very well IMO but it's solid for its time.
tepid tulip
Yeah I heard it didn't age compared to modern contemporaries
And it's more focused on coop
Like I've seen the dean of Doom review on that featuring decino
And was it stewboy?
Might've been stewboy or doomkid
grizzled swan
Oh, Thy Flesh Consumed. That's not a DLC.
Oh i thought it was originally dlc that just got added to the base versions of the game over time, is it worth playing tho? Looks pretty tough, almost hellish (pun intended)
narrow condor
What id did is a bit complicated. It would've been called an expansion pack, since DLCs been around for about a decade only. But it's a standalone iwad that contains all three levels plus the new one. So it's like "deluxe edition" if that makes sense.
narrow condor
And it's more focused on coop
Like I've seen the dean of Doom review on that f...
Yeah, it may be more fun to play it coop than solo.
tepid tulip
Yeah, it may be more fun to play it coop than solo.
Maybe someday I'll probably booted zandronum and find someone to play that map with
Is MM2 the same or is it solely improved on from MM1 and not so focused on the coop stuff
narrow condor
Oh I haven't played MM2, so I can't say anything about that one.
ornate vortex
No Rest For the Living is pretty decent
the only thing that might bug you is the secret hunting, some maps have ridiculous secrets
I've played through crumpets casually twice now and I can happily say that the first couple levels don't actually seem so bad, the last levels on the other hand are quite menacing
grizzled swan
What id did is a bit complicated. It would've been called an expansion pack, sin...
I see, thats pretty interesting
signal cairn
dry niche
Eviternity in general is overrated. And I've played it 3 times.
maps are gigantic
i love doom's labyrinthic design, but eviternity's maps are so big, it's easy to not know what to do
hexed escarp
Eviternity in general is overrated. And I've played it 3 times.
The music is incredible tho
dapper flint
I mean it's not horrible. It's good. But it isn't the end all be all wad like some think
narrow condor
I really enjoyed Eviternity the first time around but I don't see myself playing it a second time.
hexed escarp
Yeah the gameplay is not my favorite
But I just love the ost so so much
I wish someone would make an instrumental cover of it
tepid tulip
I will say I like Doom maps when they have some labyrinth like mazes
Too big and you will get lost and honestly I won't lie I get lost in Eviternity
finite crag
Anyone know how to play the full classic doom game on the 3ds?
flat mason
guys guess what i found my old doom 2 classic disc with both games on it :0
ornate vortex
Speedrunning eviternity has been really demanding on me and it’s just made me give up a bit tbh
narrow condor
What do you think of speedrunning mappacks with smaller/shorter maps?
ornate vortex
i think i prefer it tbh, going into whole wads can be exhausting
that’s why I thought wads like crumpets and nrftl would be good
lilac knoll
guys i wanna play D4D but it won't launch wityh the .bat file wth
vast reef
guys i wanna play D4D but it won't launch wityh the .bat file wth
give me details
also just use a launcher, .bat files work but they're usually way more inconvenient
lilac knoll
so i put all the files from the .rar in my gzdoom folder w/ the doom2 WAD
and when i kaunch it it's a "fatal error"
Script error, "D4D.pk3:decorate/weapons/grenades.aed" line 837:
NewPlasmaBallNoDamage: Attempt to jump to non existing state index 4
it's highlighted in red
vast reef
slr but what's your GZD version
ornate vortex
are there any maps that people recommend me to speedrun?
I kinda need more ideas (it just can’t be way too hard)
and for the love of god, please don’t say comatose
azure nimbus
are there any maps that people recommend me to speedrun?
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/132281-deadliest-demolition-the-most-rocketful-vanilla-mod-near-complete-playtesters-wanted/?page=2 you play as a cyberdemon(rocket based weaponry with a super rocket launcher, rocket launcher instead of pistol, double plasma, and a super fast super shotgun with higher RoF
lilac knoll
slr but what's your GZD version
gzdoom 4-10-0
spice radish
gzdoom 4-10-0
I think there is a newer version then this out. Check the ZDoom site
tepid tulip
Honestly JPCP is kinda challenging for me
But I don't know on the difficulty scale it is, btw I'm playing on HMP I don't think I'd play UV anytime soon bc HMP kinda hands me my ass
And I am using Final Doomer with this
Woodexial always that one map that kinda puts me out of playing the mapset
azure nimbus
That'll mess with the balance
tepid tulip
I feel like it's kinda harder? With the custom weapons
Well the custom weapons are very fun as hell, but I think the shotgun replacements are kinda making me have a harder time with the map
But then again getting mauled by Woodexial is a pain, I'm not gonna blame weapons it's just a drag for me
vernal thunder
Who designed E3M8 cuz its not very good and i need someone to be annoyed at for it being so easy
nvm i found it
tepid tulip
It's honestly underwhelming
tepid tulip
Like for the endgame of each fight
I always have E1M8 tied with E2M8
Huge gap
E3M8
But I favor E1M8 alot more for presentation
tepid tulip
Yeah it is short but dull
I just remember E1M8 alot more fondly bc of it's design in the map
i can be improved but honestly it's fine as it was at the time
vast reef
gzdoom 4-10-0
that's probably it, go update
azure nimbus
it's certainly the strongest boss map
narrow condor
v4.10.0 seems to be the newest version still.
narrow condor
I'd've liked plasma more if it weren't so loud. :-P
regal pike
holy shit
beat doom 1
thy flesh consumed gave me so much trouble lmao
e4m6 was a nightmare
also question—for the add-on packs, does it matter if it’s on doom 1 or 2? they’re the same lists on both so just wondering
narrow condor
Not sure how they appear in the in-game menu but mappacks are either for Doom 1 or Doom 2.
regal pike
alright so maybe it’ll just give me an error if i try to download
well, for now, time to start 2
quite excited! i took a break for a few months but i’m back in my doom franchise journey
dapper flint
lilac knoll
that's probably it, go update
In fact it was the opposite and i had to downgrade since the mod isn't supported anymore
But still thanks for the help guys
vast reef
In fact it was the opposite and i had to downgrade since the mod isn't supported...
oh
sorry
lilac knoll
No dw you could't know
finite crag
petersen maps in doom 1 are either really good or really boring
I heard his designs are usually experimenting the engine itself
I can understand why he is such a legend
I usually can't tell what map petersen was going for in e1m8
For me the e3m8 map felt like an arena which makes sense
While the e2m8 seems to look like the top floor for tower of babel which would make sense
Its weird how shit bosses is almost a legit tradition for id software
Atleast the modern boss fight look like an actual boss fight
azure nimbus
the cyber or spooderdemon might not be great boss enemies(without some more specific level design at least), they're still great monsters
atomic dust
Episode 2 is my favourite episode in Ultimate Doom
it has quite a bit of cool levels, like Containment Area, Command Center, Refinery, Spawning Vats and especially Tower Of Babel
finite crag
the cyber or spooderdemon might not be great boss enemies(without some more spec...
They can be threatening enemies if they are done right
But their mechanics are so easy to counter and how the player moves so fast to the point it reduces it
Cyberdemon with hordes of enemies especially with archvile can be a challenge
-Plutonia intensifies-
Imagine spider mastermind with arachnotron and chaingunners
If i have time to learn doom builder i would create plutonia 2.0
Also fuck lost souls
vast reef
plutonia 2 exists
finite crag
Tnt evilution?
tepid tulip
the cyber or spooderdemon might not be great boss enemies(without some more spec...
I mean if you lay out a map right they're deadly
A cyberdemon in a cramped space for me is genuinely frightening
I don't know where I'd place a spider mastermind, but a greatly placed arachnotron will give a run for your money
narrow condor
Using the spiderdemon is hard to get right, but it works the best as a central turret that oversees a large portion of the map, forcing you to take cover in specific points.
In my experience at least.
tepid tulip
Yeah I feel like it benefits better at that part
Well I finally finished Woodexial
I don't wanna do that again lmao
tepid tulip
"damn why is map07 JPCP so hard" and then I proceed to realize I'm playing this map in the worst way possible
Imagine killing the mancubi inside the room from outside, then activating that trigger to open the rest of the mobs, instead of heading in and getting the items later
I'm a damn idiot
zealous void
Kinda ass ngl
tepid tulip
Nah it's a good dead simple clone, but its a pain
Especially the start I really like
Arachnotrons and revenants can blow it out their asses tho
Well I'm at 54-pit now
Isn't this map one of the good parts of JPCP?
finite crag
A cyberdemon in a cramped space for me is genuinely frightening
I don't know wh...
I would put it from the same map for spidermastermind in 2016 version but having hordes of other demons except from the archvile and cyberdemon
I was thinking of spidermastermind with chaingunners but i realize plutonia already did that
I always like the hell knight design in classic doom
Basically just a reskin for baron of hell
But the color palette makes it look like an actual goat (If you wanna imagine it, gladiator is already the design)
finite crag
Baron of hell color looks like an actual hell goat so it makes sense it would be present in hell world
While hell knight is basically the opposite of baron of hell
dapper flint
I like fighting hellknight hordes. Never understood the hate
finite crag
I like fighting hellknight hordes. Never understood the hate
Felt like balanced version of baron of hell
To the point that getting damaged by its attack is your own fault
hexed escarp
Why did the Casali brothers just give up on picking music for maps 22-26 of plutonia lmao
tepid tulip
3world is finished
I think it is a unique take on tricks and traps but it does feel like it was being more itself than being strict on it
The start was alright, the ending was great
Just feels a bit more novice but that's just me
Tricks and Traps is one of my favorite maps in Doom 2 so maybe I sound a bit more critical on it
tepid tulip
Maybe I was harsh on Woodexial
Odd Encampment is a horrid map
Like it's well designed, but the monster placement is a pain in the ass
I'm literally stuck in that archvile trap room and can't get out
finite crag
Unf
tepid tulip
Unf?
finite crag
Unf
tepid tulip
Okay so get this, I realized getting out you had to not cross a line and go avoid touching them to activate the doors
If I need to look up this stuff, for it to be so frustrating
tepid tulip
Yeah JPCP Map10, you're one of the worst maps I played atm (maybe the second or third time might not be that bad)
Somehow a Doom map really angered me , I respect it but damn it genuinely gotten me pissed the whole time
It isn't easy to make that trap go work easily
Okay thank God Map11 right after is like a hug after being slapped across the face
stark acorn
ultimate noom fuilder
tepid tulip
Map13 of JPCP is pretty good
Like it is weird and clustery in design but I think I like it bc it does fit the title "Bad Morning"
dapper flint
Definitely has that vibe
finite crag
I always think that doomguy's hometown is based on texas
tepid tulip
Map31 JPCP, it's like too neat where it's honestly boring
Secrets are weird, some are laughably obvious, and some are hidden in a dumb way that I don't think people would realistically find on their first try
This map feels like the equivalent of stale white bread
It's like plays it too safe yet too drawn out, I don't know how to explain it
It's not terrible but it drained me, and it's not hard either
Map10 gave me more hassles on HMP
That's the word, generic
hexed escarp
where can i find decoration sprites for foliage
like bushes and stuff
i looked on realm677 but they had an incredibly limited selection
narrow condor
You can pilfer from existing wads if there's a permission in the readme.
I remember Lost Civilization having a rich selection of greenery.
hexed escarp
cool
dry niche
what's the difference between ultra violence and ultra violence+?
it's an extra difficulty i found on the unity ports of doom
narrow condor
UV+ in the Unity port refers to UV with fast monsters and coop monsters.
It's not an established term in the community, however.
dapper flint
Originally uv plus was just a name for solo net
finite crag
I sometimes think uv plus being between uv and nightmare where its still uv but the monsters seems to be on nightmare
narrow condor
Nightmare monsters aren't just fast monsters; they also have an instant reaction time.
finite crag
When i look onto it with e1m8, i found the pinkies and spectres being fast like in nightmare but still keeps the uv feeling (i think)
finite crag
Nightmare monsters aren't just fast monsters; they also have an instant reaction...
0_0
Truly a nightmare
I usually cannot tell if uv and nightmare have same monster counts in some levels since i never play nightmare anyways lol
narrow condor
Nightmare is essentially
- UV monster and item placement
- Fast monsters
- Instantly reacting monsters
- Respawning monsters
- Double ammo pickup
- No cheats (can be overridden in some source ports)
An advantage the instant reaction provides is that as long as ranged monsters can see you, they remain stationary as they're constantly shooting at you. This makes archviles very easy to deal with. The cyberdemon becomes a death turret that continuously spews rockets but if you can circlestrafe around it, it's trivial to take it down since it won't move around.
Hitscan monsters become your worst enemy though.
finite crag
Hitscan monsters become your worst enemy though.
I know it
From the very beginning, especially when they are alot
narrow condor
Yeah
finite crag
I played plutonia so getting fucked by dozen of hitscanners especially chaingunners made me gets used to it
Plutonia is like vietnam
It gives you nightmarish flashbacks
narrow condor
Yeah, I can't imagine playing Plutonia on nightmare.
dapper flint
It's even worse on uv plus believe it or not
finite crag
I can see why some people like doom 2 rather than doom 1 in terms of creating maps with default textures
narrow condor
Nightmare requires a much different playing style than the other skill levels that I find too stressful myself.
finite crag
The additional textures, monster and the addition for super shotgun really helps
narrow condor
Yeah, I'm way too used to Doom 2's roster and arsenal.
finite crag
Nightmare requires a much different playing style than the other skill levels th...
Nightmare makes you play like your playing cod instead of classic doom style 
You literally have to be fucking tactical especially from hitscanners
dapper flint
Nightmare requires a much different playing style than the other skill levels th...
I'm not a speed runner. But after watching speed run videos I was able to copy the pathing enough to complete it. It really is speed running for the most part or at least knowing the fastest way to complete the map
narrow condor
Sounds about right, really.
finite crag
Im not going to imagine sigil 2 being worse than plutonia
It seems like sigil is basically a complete opposite of plutonia
If plutonia taught me anything, its that you have to get good 
royal heron
I played plutonia so getting fucked by dozen of hitscanners especially chaingunn...
Man just hearing chaingunner makes me relapse into PTSD
Due to a mod I'm using alongside my playthroughs lmao
finite crag
Man just hearing chaingunner makes me relapse into PTSD
Just be glad the regular soldiers don't have a semi automatic firing rate from their assault rifle 
They would be pain in the ass to deal with just as the chain gunner
dapper flint
Due to a mod I'm using alongside my playthroughs lmao
Played with corruption cards. One card was a pod that continuesly released chaingunners somewhere in the level until you found and destroyed the pod
royal heron
You've just described the SS lmao
finite crag
You've just described the SS lmao
From wolfenstein 3D?
royal heron
Secret levels
dapper flint
Just be glad the regular soldiers don't have a semi automatic firing rate from t...
There are also wads that have zombie men like this
finite crag
There are also wads that have zombie men like this
royal heron
Played with corruption cards. One card was a pod that continuesly released chain...
Would've been horrible in conjuction of what I'm trying rn, which is Doom 2 but every enemy has a bfg 
finite crag
Its kinda sad how you can only use the skybox texture by its ceiling in doom builder 2
I tried to put the skybox from the walls, seems like they aren't effective 😦
I remember from one of the concept art where spidermastermind was suppose to have 2 chaingun
real slate
How i can play doom 2 online?
dapper flint
Would've been horrible in conjuction of what I'm trying rn, which is Doom 2 but ...
Mad lad... only thing I've played close to this is doom 64 ce with project void. Adds a mini bfg zombie solider and other insane monsters
real slate
use zandronum
i can play brutal doom 2 online?
dry niche
i can play brutal doom 2 online?
yea
real slate
zandronum servers automatically install the mods
ok, but where? i dont know hoy enter in multiplayer
tepid tulip
Honestly the first few stages of Plutonia wasn't very fun for me
But it is a skill issue
dry niche
Honestly the first few stages of Plutonia wasn't very fun for me
plutonia sucks imo
dry niche
ok, but where? i dont know hoy enter in multiplayer
on doomseeker, zandronum's application to run multiplayer servers, you click on the servers and they automatically show you the list of the mods with an "install" button
real slate
ok
real slate
on doomseeker, zandronum's application to run multiplayer servers, you click on ...
thanks
tepid tulip
plutonia sucks imo
It does, at least I will play it with final Doomer to somewhat improve the experience, but I'll be honest me going through JPCP even with it's weapons tends to be difficult at times
I fear of what Plutonia has, I didn't like it's first few levels, imagine the rest, easy filtering on HMP for me
hexed escarp
whats a good quake source port that doesnt change anything but just allows me to run at full res
dry niche
I fear of what Plutonia has, I didn't like it's first few levels, imagine the re...
oh man...
YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW
don't tell me i didn't warn you
tepid tulip
oh man...
YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW
I lost interest in Map02
Maybe after I finish up TNT and JPCP I will attempt that bc it's next on my list but let's just say I dunno if I wanna play on not too rough this time around
HMP filtered me hard, but at the same time I wanna put all the carnage in regardless of it's shit maps
halcyon willow
Japanese Community Project is much harder than Plutonia so if you're struggling with title difficulty of plut then be warned 
grizzled swan
How many bosses are in doom 2?
halcyon willow
One, the Icon of Sin
dapper flint
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turbid elk
I entered the wrong email in the game
dapper flint
I entered the wrong email in the game
Uninstall delete cache /memory reinstall
turbid elk
okay
dry niche
Japanese Community Project is much harder than Plutonia so if you're struggling ...
interesting
i'm gonna try it
spice radish
whats a good quake source port that doesnt change anything but just allows me to...
Doesn’t change anything how?
hexed escarp
like doesnt change the gameplay at all
like idk if quake has demos, but the equivalent of vanilla demo compatible for doom
spice radish
like idk if quake has demos, but the equivalent of vanilla demo compatible for d...
I don’t think Quakespasm changes to much. Or Dark Places
Then again those are the only 2 Quake source ports I know by name
hexed escarp
cool
turbid elk
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dapper flint
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So you signed up for bethesda with a email that you don't use and after clearing memory and uninstalling it somehow remembered everything and didn't work?
turbid elk
idk
dapper flint
Yes
turbid elk
and what to do?
tepid tulip
Japanese Community Project is much harder than Plutonia so if you're struggling ...
Hm that's kinda funny, but then again Map10 busted my teeth in that
I dunno, maybe that start of Plutonia just makes me lose interest fast, at least by Map05 I lose interest
Woodexial is too much of a drag for me
If JPCP is harder and I'm tolerant of it more than Plutonia, maybe it's all in my head and can actually best Plutonia with some trial and error
dapper flint
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