classic-doom

[ornate vortex]

But in casual playthroughs i’ve had to backtrack so many times due to missing monsters

one time it was even due to skipping a linedef

[agile junco]

Oof

[ornate vortex]

I got very close on attempt 4

I was on 272/345 kills and 21/23 secrets (I was extremely close to getting the final 2 secrets)

And I died on 22 minutes

I'm pretty annoyed abt that

I was going to finish off one area, then go in the building with the two secrets, and then I could enter the final area and finish the map

[coral sentinel]

I find old dooms better than new dooms

[agile junco]

Their all the sam amazingness to me

[ornate vortex]

I managed to get 35 minutes on comatose after 16 attempts

I skipped a linedef and struggled to find 4 monsters

so if everything went to plan, probs would've been like 28 mins

(linedef had about 8 imps so i went around the whole map and checked)

[dapper flint]

Classic ***

[slim willow]

they are old though 😔

[dapper flint]

Kids these days probably think eternal is old now also

[slim willow]

lmfao

it released almost 3 years ago guys. so nostalgic!

[pearl osprey]

Classic and modern is better terminology, Doom eternal and 2016 aren't new versions of doom, they are sequels with modern gameplay

[azure nimbus]

modern gameplay is when energy shield god mode more than half the time

[dapper flint]

That shits lame. Never use it. It's on my no no list like rich get richer

[spice radish]

Remember seeing a guy here say DOOM 2016 needs a remaster

[dapper flint]

Fucking gert moment

[azure nimbus]

Doom2016 BFG edition

[pearl osprey]

And then it's just doom 2016 but with a flashlight

[slim willow]

leave gert alone hes beautiful and pure

[granite flower]

hi

[forest quest]

Hiiiii

[spice bronze]

I know I posited this question earlier for the Cacodemon, but we’re the Zombie Soldiers and shotgun guys modeled before being pixelized? Cause I know that’s the strategy they used for larger demons and possibly Doomguy himself, and I figured the zombie men used recolored Doomguy sprites

[azure nimbus]

the zombies are all based on doomguy and doomguy has a clay model so kinda

[mighty bane]

i beat this game in less that 10 mins

[azure nimbus]

make sure to submit your certainly real time to dsda since it's record

[mighty bane]

its not exactly 10 mins is just and estimate.

[agile junco]

I am 14 an i think not

[dapper flint]

And*

[agile junco]

Idk just being contrary i guess 😂

[west knot]

Haven’t played much of anything past Final Doom because I made the mistake of going down the huge rabbit hole of community stuff

It’s never ending

[finite crag]

I’m playing all the base games before starting any of that stuff

[west knot]

Yeah good idea

I don’t know when to stop and move onto Doom 3

[vast reef]

wow!

[vast reef]

it isn't a mistake :)

[vivid vine]

TNT sure is though

[vast reef]

lol yeah

[west knot]

Worth it for Revilution and Devilution

Devilution’s technically not done yet but close enough

[unreal dawn]

[unreal pike]

anyone know this? www.bilibili.com/video/BV1nV4y1F7zX

sorry for Chinese

https://www.youtube.com/@user-zr5xi6uw4k/videos that's their youtube, idk will they post the doom video there (Chinese warning)

[finite crag]

Pharaoh has gotta be one of the coolest official maps

[west knot]

Pharoah is great

[west knot]

I think it plays better, but it also has the Pit, so it evens out

[west knot]

Fortress of Mystery is kinda fun as a shitpost map

[sturdy laurel]

Four Barons, and a room full of Cacos.

[azure nimbus]

halls of the dammed may be the most popular choice of favorite level. while fortress of mystery doesn't play well, it teaches very new players about infighting. it's a tutorial.

[narrow condor]

I think that's a good idea because the base levels feel really clunky and dated once you're spoilt by modern maps.

And I think everyone should play the original maps at least once to get an idea.

[west knot]

My personal favorite is containment area

With against thee wickedly a close second

[vocal jetty]

Playing solo chillax is absolute insanity

[ornate vortex]

30 minutes of my life down the drain

missed 1 enemy and was on track to beat it in 29 minutes

(This is Comatose UV-Max btw)

[west knot]

Longest map I’ve played so far is TNT 2 map 6

Took me like an hour

[azure nimbus]

comatose takes most people an hour after a few playthroughs so this is pretty impressiv

[spice bronze]

Wait what’s comatose

[dapper flint]

It's a dark wad with invisible monsters

Map*

[ornate vortex]

Quickest it took me on casual playthrough was like 50 minutes

My comatose speedrun won’t be super impressive, but it’ll be cool seeing as nobody has really attempted it

the problem I always run into is that there’s always 1-4 missing enemies at the end

ive tried counting up each area but it’s actually pretty tough

[azure nimbus]

We play a game with speedrunning tracked for thousands of wads. Half of it is stuff like vanilla maps that have been played nearly to tic perfection and the other is tablefilling/challenge runs. no problem with that

[ornate vortex]

Well, nobody has recorded a uv max “speedrun” of comatose so far

technically im the first to do it (with a time of I believe 35mins 24secs)

but i wanna get sub 30 so i am not gonna submit it to the demos archive

[queen sail]

Defeated the cyberdemon today

[azure nimbus]

pretty wacky considering how tall he is

[spice bronze]

I’m a plebeian and play Classic doom on Switch but I gotta say the music on the first map of John Romero’s Sigil map pack goes hard

It’s called Hate Machine I thin

[winged lotus]

I need help on the final level of the Doom II master levels. Everytime I kill the enemies where the blue key is, it won't drop down to where I can get it. Is my game bugged or am I doing something wrong? Playing on Xbox Series X.

I posted a screenshot of it too

[azure nimbus]

killing enemies doesn't trigger anything. watch decino's video on the master levels or read along with doomwiki.

It's extremely rare for kills to trigger events in classic doom. It can be done through a few specific triggers but it is exceptionally rare

[spice bronze]

I think in the second secret wolfenstein levels you have to kill all four commander keens to finish the level (how do you even access those anyway

[azure nimbus]

an involved secret in map15 takes you to map31. There is an alternate exit that acts as a triple secret next to the regular exit that takes you from 31 to 32. Yes, when all commander keens are dead, they trigger the 666 tag

[north nebula]

idk if to ask here but in gzdoom u can look up and down which u can’t in classic doom is there any way to stop this in gzdoom or just use a different port ???

[azure nimbus]

in the option search, look for "freelook." turn it off(or play another port)

[north nebula]

alright thnx

[dapper flint]

Don't use woof though it's for sissys

[slim willow]

• dsda doom denier

you know you want mbf21 gougaru

[dapper flint]

I sure love it when a cyber forgets to infight !

[slim willow]

[tender star]

I just started playing the first doom on the Xbox I got for Christmas and wow I wish my generation had more games like this I’m a gen z-er if you didn’t guess

Im on the final mission of the first part

I can’t believe this game is almost 30 years old

[slim willow]

It is a classic alright.

[finite crag]

Partaay

[chrome path]

what's the most obscure classic doom port you're aware of? official or unofficial

[slim willow]

Doom for Pocket PC (aka Doom PDA)

[shrewd kindle]

The DooM 2 map where you kill commander keen is messed up fr

[warped jungle]

Either doom 2 on gba or nokia n gage

[west knot]

That one port for this monitor you can twist vertically

[tender star]

Especially since keen is his father

[shrewd kindle]

[tender star]

Wdym

It’s true

[shrewd kindle]

Keen is his father?

[slim willow]

mfw retconned lore

[shrewd kindle]

[weary crescent]

Hi i am new and this server but I've been playing Doom for a while

What?

[shrewd kindle]

I hate it

[slim willow]

this is #classic-doom sir

[shrewd kindle]

Oh whoops sett

Sorry

[weary crescent]

нацисты

My Russian side came out

[queen sail]

I hate the lost souls in the cyber demon boss fight

[formal latch]

yeah. but just keep your distance away from them

[queen sail]

Yeah I kept running around

But it sucked being in a room full of en

Em

[formal latch]

they added the lost souls because you have to use the RPG. and due to lost souls charge at the player the splash damage might hurt you or kill you (depends on hp)

but if a lost soul hits a wall they will forget about you so make them hit the wall or a pillar

[queen sail]

Thanks for the tip

[formal latch]

and also get the supercharge

[weary crescent]

I passed Doom 2 on nightmare difficulty! On my Xbox because my cell phone came with failures

[formal latch]

nice!

[weary crescent]

But even though I've passed Doom 2 on that difficulty I can't pass it on the easiest difficulty

[queen sail]

How

[weary crescent]

I don't know

I've been playing Doom for a while and I passed it for a strange reason and I can't pass it on the easiest difficulty of all

[formal latch]

imma be honest. i started playing doom 2 master levels with doom 2016 music and its a banger (played some wads too)

[weary crescent]

The Master levels are difficult for me

How about I try to beat Doom 1 on the highest difficulty?

[opal falcon]

God help you if you do.

[slim willow]

do not listen to it. nightmare is remotely fair

[tender star]

What‘re your guy’s least favorite demon because mine is the Archville those things are the bane of my fucking existence

[queen sail]

Agreed, never met one in the first doom yet, just started the third episode but In eternal they are fucking annoying

[tender star]

They’re the absolute fucking worst

I had 7 extra lives on Tara Nabad and that fucker spawned so many extra that I lost 4

I just finished getting the crucible back and I can’t take this scene seriously with Doomguy in a Santa outfit hahahaha

[weary crescent]

[oblique fulcrum]

Good God man

I just save a big shot for him

[tender star]

I know I couldn’t find that asshole

I used all my bfg ammo

[oblique fulcrum]

Oof

[weary crescent]

Xd

[narrow condor]

Blame Adrian Carmack for that.

He hated making cutesy games under Tom Hall's creative vision and he added it to the second game after Hall left id.

He was probably the edgiest id member.

[ornate vortex]

I've decided i'm gonna attempt the plus levels on overboard in terms of UV-Max speedrunning

It's gonna be funny because I said in a post i'm most likely not coming back to overboard in terms of speedrunning

[paper heart]

Is the classic doom and the first dooms worth getting currently? ive only tried doom eternal but ive loved it. That steam winter sale going around, it would be cheaper too. Should i get them?

[ornate vortex]

If you feel like you wanna give classic doom a go, then sure

[paper heart]

not sure if its worth it though, its still an old game and i could spend my money on other ones that i might enjoy

but that i liked doom eternal ill probably like the other ones

[narrow condor]

If you're looking for a game that resembles Doom Eternal, the first Dooms will disappoint you.

[ornate vortex]

yeah

[narrow condor]

They're entirely different games.

[ornate vortex]

there's not really any similarity between the two games

[paper heart]

i dont want them to be exactly similiar i know that they are different

[narrow condor]

But I always recommend that you give it a try.

[paper heart]

quite alot different too from what ive heard

[ornate vortex]

The thing about classic doom is that after you're done with the IWADs, if you want more to play on classic, there's always the community wads that usually have a lot to offer

[paper heart]

if it was free id deffinetly play it but that it has a price and im buying such an old game idk

i mean im buying the game with the guy from fortnite so actually ill just buy it

[ornate vortex]

LOL

I remember that being a big discussion here at some point

[paper heart]

it includes doom slay which is from fortnite so im gonna buy it

[narrow condor]

I never thought that marketing gimmick would actually work...

[paper heart]

doom slay

[azure nimbus]

Yes. I like the vanilla maps but it's true that they've aged. However, the game as a set of mechanics is timeless. there are 30 years of community made content that improves on the vanilla level design. People make high quality fan content to this day. So get the game on pc so you can play everything. Bethesda let's you play some community content on console but not much

[narrow condor]

That's usually my biggest concern with recommending Doom to people. It takes some time investment to begin enjoying it for real. Not just to play the original maps but to internalise the (now) unorthodox mechanics.

[azure nimbus]

you mean limited 3d things? no freelook no thing over thing?

one thing I try to highlight for entering players is that there is no fluff.
it's only the application of game mechanics to levels and how those levels look

[narrow condor]

I do appreciate how it's so easy to grasp all the mechanics though. Everything is very well-documented and I can come up with tactics on the fly based on hard stats and there's little wiggle room despite the RNG.

I can go, say, "I have just the right amount of shells to take down the archvile, the chaingunners' attacks won't reach this spot and the splash damage radius of the missiles from the infighting cyberdemon is narrow enough to let me pass behind the barons"

[azure nimbus]

simply calculate what frame you're on when the rev fires a missile

[narrow condor]

Hah

It's less feasible than shooting a sleeping monster on its second idle frame to kill it without waking it up.

[ornate vortex]

I'm so annoyed

I went over the demo to see what monster I missed and it was such an obvious one too

There was one room I forgot to check in this behemoth of a map (The dark room with the spectre in the building behind the supermarket)

So if I checked that room, it would've been it

oh well, I know what to do now

[finite crag]

can you juke a revenant when fast monsters are enabled? I mean like the punch dodge thing

[azure nimbus]

yes. fast monsters does not affect melee. Also, it does not remove the deadzone that revs have where they don't fire missiles(without pain state)

[finite crag]

I'd expect them to reach a state where they fire a rev ball quicker

or maybe I'm confusing it with juking a pinky bite

I'm probably just inexperienced in uv-fast

[azure nimbus]

What's probably happening is that you're not having forgiveness for being slightly off with your jukes. It still works, just harder if you're triggering pain state

[finite crag]

fair

[ornate vortex]

Comatose ain't looking so good

3 close attempts

1 was where I missed 2 hitscanners (could've beat the map in 31 minutes)

another was extremely close and probs would've got me 27 minutes

I ended up dying to a cacodemon that somehow managed to get into a building

34 attempts now

[dapper flint]

Not bad for most runs but an hour map 34 is stressful

[ornate vortex]

It was really painful

because with the run where I died to the cacodemon

i hadn't missed any monsters

It was on the 24th minute and I was basically going towards the last area

[royal heron]

Damn

[ornate vortex]

you win some you lose some

[paper heart]

should i buy the doom classic bundle on steam? or should i just buy another game? instead of getting 4 old games i might not like, i could get 1 new one that ill probably like

[pearl osprey]

Buy whatever you want

[paper heart]

yea i dont know what i want thats why im asking

also why are you in the doom server ralsei

[pearl osprey]

Well, classic doom gameplay is still good by today's standards

It's a very enjoyable experience, has near infinite mods, it's an important piece of history, and all round a solid game

IMO doom is a must-have, but if you aren't into old titles go for whatever you want

[azure nimbus]

Doom is far and away the best money to gameplay investment you can make with how many mods there are. If you even have a chance of liking movement shooters, you should play classic dom

[weary crescent]

What the f*ck

[pearl osprey]

You can say fuck on the internet buddy

[royal heron]

Buy it

The old games are great even to this day

And even if you don't like it, you can change the gameplay and experience by using mods

There are basically infinite mods and map packs to play around with when it comes to the classic dooms

[west knot]

You can play the old games without mods over and over again and not get bored of them

[dapper flint]

Classic

[narrow condor]

I finished playing Nostalgia today. Very solid mappack.

I'm starting Hydrosphere now.

[spice radish]

The classic games are still amazing today

[dense jungle]

DOSE ANYBOBY PLAY DOOM 2 WITH ME?

caps

[broken heron]

I've gotten a crazy amount of mileage out of Doom 2 and Final Doom

[west knot]

Same

I’ve even played TNT a lot

[broken heron]

TNT is a mixed bag, but the good half or so maps have aged really well

Maybe more like two thirds. I can only think of a few outright bad levels from memory.

[spice bronze]

I remember on Hurt Me Plenty there was like a room of a hundred demons and a total of 393 in the level, I wanna say it was TNT or Plutonia

[broken heron]

Sounds like maybe Stronghold

[west knot]

Gonna be real with you, yeah, TNT is mostly decent or good

It is hitscanner heavy and there’s a few awful maps but it gets a worse rep than it deserves

That’s why I like Revilution and Devilution, they build on the good bits and do more with them

Devilution is huge though, every other map has 300 or so demons

[broken heron]

Working my way through Revilution right now. Blanking on the name but map 12 is my current favorite Doom map

[west knot]

Same

I liked Map 20 for the same reason

Devilution map 30 might be my new favorite, it’s wild

[spice bronze]

I know it was one of the two final doom episodes because it was the Switch version before it had a few other map packs

[west knot]

Yeah you definitely played Stronghold

They were all shotgunners and chaingunners right

[ornate vortex]

I have a whole bunch of wads im gonna play next year

im planning on speedrunning my first ribbiks wad (Which will obviouslybe Crumpets since it’s a lot easier compared to his other work)

but im hoping that by the end of the year, I can finish scythe II via speedrunning

[west knot]

I actually managed to find Perdition’s Gate and Hell to Pay

Perdition is really good

[ornate vortex]

If you want to go insane from playing doom, then comatose is the wad for you

[west knot]

I’m just getting into the wad scene

First ones I’ve tried are SIGIL, Plutonia 2, Revilution, Devilution, Perdition, Hell to Pay, and Deathless off the top of my head

[ornate vortex]

solid wads

if I could recommend wads, i’d recommend Rush (mainly for the fact it’s slaughter based and i’m into that sort of thing)

[west knot]

I haven’t tried a slaughter one yet

I’ll play it

[ornate vortex]

well Rush is great to begin with for slaughter

it’s not too hard compared to others

(with the exception of map 2 being a pain in the rear to speedrun a uvmax for)

[west knot]

I believe it

I never start with UV max anyways

Might try Alien Vendetta next

[dense jungle]

anyone?

[royal heron]

You can also try Micro Slaughter Community Project

[west knot]

Thanks, I’ll try that

[dapper flint]

200 lines the slaughtering is a great time also

[fast mirage]

for gzdoom how do I not have blurry npc textures?

[calm cradle]

go install Zandronum. You'll find a decent amount of people playing. You can also register an account at The Sentinels Playground and set up free servers

[dapper flint]

Turn off texture filtering

[vast reef]

has anybody beaten doom blindfolded

even just a level

[weary crescent]

hi, I'm back

[edgy drum]

**Junkfood RC1 has been published! **Downloab here:
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/133208

Wad trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ayst8F-LZXg

[dapper flint]

Fantastic intro definitely will play it

[junior karma]

finally pistol start single segment UV maxed map 20 of sunlust, only took 247 attempts! :P, can see it here: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1692882822

[azure nimbus]

pistol start gambing

[ornate vortex]

Attempt 39 was another close one

Comatose is starting to give me a headache

I basically missed a monster that was infront of me and I ended up not being able top find it within the last 2 minutes

The fact i'm 39 attempts in is soul crushing for a huge map like this

(On average, the short attempts are like 15 minutes long, where I end up usually dying to something stupid)

So i've been grinding this map for hours, and it's beginning to drive me a bit nuts

[spice bronze]

Having never tried any crazy classic doom challenge I can recommend a break cause your skill will only suffer if you just keep throwing yourself at it

[narrow condor]

I agree — taking a break would be better for your nerves too.

[ornate vortex]

I really do wanna get this out by tomorrow

but it’s no big deal

Ill stop for today and ill just have to continue tomorrow

[narrow condor]

Why tomorrow? So that you can say you did it in 2022? 😛

[ornate vortex]

Pretty much

i said I wanted to end the year on a really cool achievement

and i suppose uv maxing comatose in under 30 minutes is pretty impressive

[azure nimbus]

I consider killing a normal spectre in software impressive

[narrow condor]

hah

[ornate vortex]

then killing 343 monsters has gotta be somewhat impressive

[azure nimbus]

It's not that high of a number but that they're invisible and from what I can tell, easily lost in such an open level

[ornate vortex]

there’s 343 spectre monsters, and 2 arch viles which aren’t spectres

the level itself isn’t actually that hard

you get a bfg too however I only really use it on the arch viles

[azure nimbus]

I thought the gimmick was that everyone is invisilbe

[ornate vortex]

well, it pretty much is

but the arch viles aren’t

im so annoyed about the previous run tho, the last enemy was right infront of me in one area and it then got stuck in some bushes

and because you can’t hear their roaming noises, it’s super annoying to find them

[azure nimbus]

no sound? that's terrible

[ornate vortex]

All I can really say is don't uv max comatose

Difficulty wise it's not too challenging, but getting all kills and all secrets is what makes it brutal

[narrow condor]

That's why it's a worthwhile challenge!

I'm really enjoying Hydrosphere so far. Very clean and crisp map design with lots of cannon fodder monsters.

Such a shame it's such a short mappack.

[vocal jetty]

Yesterday i killed 5,739 demons. that's the most i've killed all month

in a single day

[azure nimbus]

what map?

[vocal jetty]

no map in specific, just in general.

[stiff cargo]

Just beat Doom 2, level design was confusing at times lol, but phenomenal nonetheless :>

[spice bronze]

That's a common complaint of Doom II, poor level design

[stiff cargo]

Fair enough, although I must say it was really satisfying when you finally figure out where ur going lol

[spice bronze]

Hell I still get lost playing Doom 1

[stiff cargo]

Although I didn't like the Archviles and Pain Elementals, other than that it was awesome :>

[stiff cargo]

Lel xD

[finite crag]

I got wore out on Doom 2 halfway through

[vocal jetty]

i think the only level i had trouble with was the chasm

[stiff cargo]

Yeah same tbh, I got 18 minutes on that one, I think that was 6 times the par time XD

The only level I got better than the par was the final bossfight

[vocal jetty]

and monster condo

[stiff cargo]

I quite enjoyed that one tbh

[spice bronze]

I gotta replay Doom II

[stiff cargo]

Although the archviles always gave me trouble, I just used the bfg on them bc I wanted them dealt with quickly lol

[stiff cargo]

hell yeah 😎

[spice bronze]

They take 3 SSG shots to take down and have either the second lowest or lowest pain state chance in the game, which means they're hard to interrupt

[stiff cargo]

Yeah, it's just annoying trying to get out of their line of sight quickly enough when I shotgun them

[spice bronze]

And considering they deal like 70 damage by the explosion they're extremely dangerous, not even counting the fact they can revive enemies

[stiff cargo]

I didn't even realise they could revive enemies :00

[spice bronze]

Yeah I don't think the game often puts the archviles in situations where there's a lot of dead demons

[stiff cargo]

Thank goodness lol, an archvile on it's own is annoying

It always was a feeling of relief whenever I managed to kill one

[spice bronze]

As there should be

Another thing to note, Archviles can't revive other Archviles, to my knowledge

[stiff cargo]

Thank goodness for that XD

I cannot imagine the chaos that would ensure

[west knot]

I like a lot of Doom 2 but it’s a bit hit or miss once you reach the Pit

If you have an SSG and you fight an Archvile and you can keep them trapped somewhere you’re usually good, Plutonia Hunted helped me get good at killing them

They’re completely defenseless up close and the fire attack leaves them open for an SSG shot and then finding cover

[vocal jetty]

yep, get up as close as you can so all the spread goes onto the archvile, and then try to run and find cover when it does the flame attack (or you can tank the hit if you think you have enough but it's not recommended).

[stiff cargo]

Fair enough, I'm jus bad at finding cover after that lol

[broken heron]

Nobody likes pain elementals

[stiff cargo]

Lmao yeah I can see why

[formal latch]

obviously

[slim willow]

people who hate archviles dont understand the terror that is a pain elemental

at the back of a horde of over a hundred demons

[stiff cargo]

Yeah, I think archviles and pain elementals are the worst enemies imo lol

[dapper flint]

Best

[azure nimbus]

the pain elemental is a baller

[finite crag]

no the pain elemental is da ball

[vivid vine]

The sacred video proclaimed them Meatball Daemons

[ornate vortex]

wait till you play the plutonia experiment

[west knot]

Revenants and Archviles everywhere

[ornate vortex]

the revenant is probably my favourite enemy

[narrow condor]

Revenants are so frustrating to me because of how terrible I sometimes am at dodging the missiles.

Archviles and pain elementals are much more predictable in comparison.

[ornate vortex]

revenants just make the combat so much more interesting

either that or the mancubus, it’s fireball pattern is fun to learn as well as me thinking ages ago that it was telling me to “humpyamom”

[spice radish]

I can’t unhear that

[ornate vortex]

I also wanna publish a wad next year and i always have the problem of burning out too fast

[peak beacon]

Hol buenas noches

una pregunta

Como puedo iniciar un iwad desde la consola de doom

estoy utilizando zdoom

se lo agradecería soy nueva

[dapper flint]

I'd just get zdl. Just makes life easier

[peak beacon]

ZDL me marcaba un error y lo elimine

[dapper flint]

Yeah most versions never work. Try ZDL 3.2

[peak beacon]

@dapper flint Could you pass me the download link

I get the following message
Failed to launch the process

[dapper flint]

Have you tried both zdl 3.1 and 3.2 ?

[peak beacon]

Yes, and in no case does he execute me, therefore I do not know what else to do u_u

[dapper flint]

I'll dm you some options

[peak beacon]

Thanks a lot.

[tender star]

I like the dread knights

[lilac iris]

Pinke

[west knot]

Weird dog

[finite crag]

[spice radish]

Imagine if green key cards existed. They wouldn’t change at all from the others but green looks cool

[finite crag]

real

[junior karma]

happy new year! doom 1 turns 30 at the end of this year

[ornate vortex]

I DID ITTT

I ACTUALLY BEAT COMATOSE

with a time of 28:39

im so happy

[azure nimbus]

vroooom

[pastel matrix]

hello I am new to classic doom

I just beat Tricks & Traps on UV, I was going for 100% kills but ended up bailing leaving a few Barons left alive because it just took me so long

people like that map, right? I don't think I do but it may grow on me overtime

[ornate vortex]

it’s cool, I don’t really like tricks and traps

nor do I like the pit

[pastel matrix]

the barons kept paralysing the cyberdemon so a lot were left over by the time it went down

on one run it ended up teleporting to the central area

that was scary

[narrow condor]

@ornate vortex Are you going to upload a recording of the demo to YouTube?

[ornate vortex]

yes

I'm uploading a commentated version and a non commentated version because the demo is super long

[west knot]

Tricks and Traps is my favorite in Doom 2 but you have to go about the rooms in a certain order on a pistol start run

Inmost Dens is also really good and probably the most normal map

[dapper flint]

Epic man!

[pastel matrix]

I went Cacos -> Pinkies -> Let caco out of tunnel -> pain elemental room -> Imps -> Barons -> clear tunnel -> Red key room -> end

[west knot]

That’s about how I went

You get the BFG and ammo from the pinkies and it prepares you for the rest

[pastel matrix]

I tried to get the pinkies from the secret area to infight with any cacos that decided to wonder into the room

I think pinkies infighting other demons looks funny

[azure nimbus]

cacos->pinkys->barons-> second invuln room, pains, impd.
cacos then pinkys to get bfg, then the main thing is grabbing invulns for the pains. the rest can fit mostly wherever

[west knot]

Pinkies are just funny

[dapper flint]

Sure until all you get is a rocket and fight a horde of them

https://youtube.com/shorts/gPKYCVNSZ-c?feature=share

[narrow condor]

Love it when you walk into an empty, cramped room with a rocket launcher in the middle and the moment you grab it the door closes behind you and the walls open to release groups of pinkies.

[ornate vortex]

Happy new year from the UK

[finite crag]

Yup, same here

[unreal pike]

is Zdoom banned here?

[slim willow]

no

[unreal pike]

i see

[slim willow]

why would zdoom be banned

[unreal pike]

maybe...... here is id's official server?

[spice bronze]

It’s Classic doom it’s shareware anyway

[spice radish]

Yeah but talk about source ports and mods ain’t banned

Doom has been supporting mods since like the beginning

Your all good don’t worry

[prime moon]

DOOM is 30 years old now

[pearl osprey]

Nope

[ornate vortex]

https://youtu.be/TM12mtJrm8M

[narrow condor]

Just watched the one with commentary. Well done!

It's indeed ridiculous to UV-max speedrun a map intended to be a slow-burn atmospheric exploration experience, which makes it all the more impressive.

[pastel matrix]

how new friendly is that map

I've heard about it, I wanna try it

[narrow condor]

It's not hard but it sharply deviates in specific ways from mainstream Doom mapping.

[pastel matrix]

I literally just beat The Pit UV Max lol I'm pretty green

that was tough

[narrow condor]

All monsters are invisible, for example.

[pastel matrix]

yooo

[narrow condor]

And they have no idle/roaming sounds, so you can't rely on that either.

[pastel matrix]

like spectre invisible or invisible invisible?

[narrow condor]

Spectre invisible, fortunately.

That's the biggest reason why UV-maxing is so tedious — you need to memorise where they are if you want to get 100% kills because it's very easy to miss stragglers.

It won't give you a particularly hard time if you play it the way it's intended, as an atmospheric horror game.

You likely won't even see everything there is the first time around.

[ornate vortex]

Oh, not only that, but you are also pretty much forced to play on OpenGL, since it can't handle the original doom

And it makes seeing spectres so much harder

and not only that, but you have to find a whopping 23 secrets along with 343 enemies all being spectre variants

Trust me when I say this, do not UV-Max Comatose. It is absolutely brutal

[dapper flint]

Open gl doesn't work at all with my rig.

[gusty falcon]

https://youtu.be/sStrJTgTzyg

Took his gag to the next level by having him make a whole episode 🤣

[narrow condor]

Wasn't there already such an episode for April Fools?

[rotund dew]

he reviewed mock 2 then

[narrow condor]

No, the other one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dctPAZgs1OA

[rotund dew]

pain elementals on sunder map 5 are sooooo annoying

as if all that platforming wasn't enough, you must kill them in a way that they don't knockback to the far edge of the map

[azure nimbus]

it was designed with freelook in mind but nowadays is played on boom. 2009 sunder is weird

[vocal jetty]

Sunder map 8 was fun af

[finite crag]

Playing through sigil and it is incredible

[halcyon mortar]

So glad I don’t have to download 1 or 2 and can just play them trough eternal

[finite crag]

I mean yeah that’s true

I found that so funny when I found that out

[unreal pike]

anyone know dos.zone?
this site can run doom

[ornate vortex]

no, i do not know abt that site

Now that i’ve beaten comatose, the next map I have to worry about is Anagnorisis, but i probs won’t be finishing that till quite far away from now

[ornate vortex]

oh, and Goetia

[finite crag]

Hey, do you all play multiplayer of classic doom?

I used to play years ago but forgot what I used to play it

[timber garnet]

never tried multiplayer until recently. i'm using a few ports and doom explorer

[pastel matrix]

finished map 10 uvmax

interesting map, lots of secrets

another trivial cyberdemon encounter though because 2 invuls are available and there's plently bfg ammo

[azure nimbus]

even now, I still waste so much of it cuz he teleports around

map10 is one of the biggest offenders of secret tags not being placed right. The shotgun at the start, the bfg, and the chaingun are all not marked as secrets meanwhile the megasphere is tagged three times

[finite crag]

Ah yes I think it was Doom Explorer I had used, I will try that later thanks

[pearl osprey]

We got different source ports for multiplayer over the years, now the most used port for multiplayer doom is Zandronum

[finite crag]

Is that a new port?

[narrow condor]

Depends on your definition of new. It came out a decade ago.

It's the spiritual successor of Skulltag.

[timber garnet]

no prob! have fun :)

https://youtu.be/KjEmlNJ4oQQ

[pastel matrix]

my progression plan regarding megawads is as follows:

Doom 2 -> Ultimate Doom -> No Rest for the Living -> TNT -> Sigil -> Plutonia

order rework suggestions welcome

[vast reef]

by ult doom do you mean ep 4?

or all of doom 1

[pastel matrix]

all of doom 1 'cause I skipped it for some reason and am too committed to doom 2 now lol

[pastel matrix]

Of course once I best Plutonia I intend fully to dive in to the endless sea of community wads

potentially starting with something like Ancient Aliens or something

I hear that's good

[vast reef]

lol

if i played doom 1 after 2 i'd probably miss the SSG and added monsters

[pastel matrix]

I will

I did just finish map 10 uvmax

I guess there's time to go back

[digital grail]

Hi. It's possible play Brutal Doom on Doom 1993?

[pearl osprey]

no

[digital grail]

shit

[pearl osprey]

Download GZDoom

[dapper flint]

Depends. Some fantastic maps and wads for doom. Balanced well with a great challenge. Done right you don't notice no ssg or other demons

[pearl osprey]

If you own doom 1993 you can download GZDoom, a source port with mod support and run Brutal Doom on it

[azure nimbus]

Brutal doom probably runs mostly fine with the freedoom2 iwad anyway since BD changes so much

[digital grail]

but i don't need have original doom?

[pearl osprey]

you can do as mmjp said above and use freedoom instead of doom

[digital grail]

shiet

[dapper flint]

You can get doom for 2.19 cents cad right now

Whole bundle is 4

[azure nimbus]

brutal doom, as well as the huge majority of doom mods are for doom2.wad and not doom.wad. With that said, these are 30 year old games that are super cheap so it shouldn't be too bad to spend the five dollars

[digital grail]

but zdoom it's free

[pearl osprey]

(G)ZDoom is just the engine

all the assets (textures, sounds, etc...) are owned by Bethesda

[azure nimbus]

So when you buy doom or doom2 on steam, you get the doom.wad or doom2.wad files respectively along with the unity port and access to steam achievements. The unity port is pretty weak relative to fanmade ports.

The code for doom was released in the 90s and is fully free. That's why gzdoom, dsda, woof, zdoom, prboom, boom, mbf, mbf21,.... are able to exist. However, the art assets, textures, sounds, sprites, music, sound effects, levels were not ever released for free. That's the important part of the purchase when you buy the games and is the part in the wad files

[digital grail]

wait, you still need the original game for play?

[dapper flint]

[azure nimbus]

If you would rather not pay for the game, you can run the code using whatever port you choose but with the assets from freedoom2.wad.
Different ports are designed for different things. DSDA for example is an extremely faithful recreation of the original code but includes other UI and QoL features. GZdoom does not actually use classic code or emulate it really. While the gameplay is similar, GZ is focused far more on more game changing modifications that it allows for you to play.

[digital grail]

i have the orginal doom, so i think this is why i can play zdoom

[azure nimbus]

yes

[jaunty glacier]

Yeehaw! I just got Doomslayer Chronicles to work in gzdoom 4.8

[zenith berry]

Fun fact: You’ll get Doom monsters and weapons anyway with a twist if you play BD with Freedoom.

Back before I bought Doom I tested it.

[sturdy laurel]

John Romero is streaming some more Sigil II mapping,

https://www.twitch.tv/theromero

[spice bronze]

Wait, he’s making Sigil II?

[finite crag]

Sigil is one of my favourite examples

Even thy flesh consumed makes awesome use of doom 1’s cast of monsters

[vast reef]

that's very true

[slim willow]

Sigil is how you do Doom 1 maps

It's awesome

[finite crag]

Yes it is fantastic

[narrow condor]

I finally got around to playing Speed of Doom. I don't know why I put it off for so long because it's a lot of fun. Just finished M31. It was tiring but still much more fun to play than M31.

[azure nimbus]

map 31 was more fun than 31? My guess is that you meant you liked 32 more than 31. If so, idk 32 was such a drag for me with the closed in cybers on the bridges but it was still good

[finite crag]

You haven’t truly experienced map 31 until you’ve played map 31

[azure nimbus]

and it's pretty cool. Somewhat easy with all the ammo and space but cool

[narrow condor]

Oops yeah, I meant I found M32 more fun.

It's very hectic at times but it felt less 'circlestrafe to win' than M31.

And yeah, since I'm playing with saves, I ended up with leftover megaspheres. It looks very difficult at first glance and the starting fight is kinda scary but once you break out of the first room, the rest is actually doable if you don't headbutt stray rockets as much as I do.

It kinda felt like it was actually pulling punches in some places. Like it released a handful of archviles at the last second but they were nowhere near corpses — they were stuck with a spider mastermind on top of the pyramid and kept infighting it.

[azure nimbus]

you have to be careful on that final approach -- only landing tracers on viles that you kill lest they get mad at you and blow you off the ziggaraut

[narrow condor]

I let all of them infight the spider mastermind (without intending to actually), then poked them one by one with the chaingun to lure them to the back of the building and killed them with rockets.

Probably not the most efficient way to do it but it was a safe approach.

[timber garnet]

don't think i've gone through speed of doom before, sounds like a blast

[narrow condor]

I've beaten only half of it yet but I'm enjoying it so far.

[west knot]

At the secret maps of TNT 2 now, so far the first one was great ||instead of an Egyptian level it’s an Ancient Greek temple. The next one is Egypt||

The way you get there is great too, map 15 is this awesome city and ||there’s a Del Caco you can go inside, you lock yourself in the fridge and eat salad dressing which sends you there||

[broken heron]

For anyone who's read Masters of Doom, is it worth getting if I'm already pretty familiar with the story behind the Id team?

[slim willow]

yes

[cedar trail]

Doom in discord. a bot running Doom 1993 but with emojis

[azure nimbus]

pretty sure map 31 is Egypt themed based on the Pharaoh(misspelled Pharoah) title

[sturdy sleet]

Completely new to doom here

I got a question, is there any reason i should use the pistol once i get the shotgun?

[prime lava]

to save shells

[ornate vortex]

Speed of Doom is definitely a good wad to playthrough. The fights do become slaughter heavy towards the end though

I'm curious as to where people would say the average doom player is at in terms of difficulty

[timber garnet]

thanks for the heads up!

[pastel matrix]

How do you guys like to play? Are you guys just about clearing the map, or are you more into uv max?

[ornate vortex]

I'm definitely a UV-Max person, seeing as it's really the only category i speedrun

It suits me because i'm very much a completionist when it comes to video games

[vocal jetty]

I’m only about the killing, get as many kills as possible and then end the level

[digital grail]

Hi. Doom64 it's just a port of the PC game, or it's different?

[azure nimbus]

different game and levels but similar mechanics. should be incl in classic colection

[faint blade]

Guys who knows a tactical mod for gzdoom like brutal doom but with less action?

[dapper flint]

Mods called hideous destructor

Not sure about its gore levels but if it isn't enough just use Nash gore also and max it out

[royal heron]

yep

[faint blade]

Thanks bro

[faint blade]

Hey, I really appreciate your words, but it's not what I wanted, but still, this is great mod and worth playing!

[dapper flint]

No worries

[narrow condor]

I try to UV-max at a casual pace. I skip secrets if I can't find them and rarely skip monsters if there's not enough ammo.

[dapper flint]

https://youtu.be/-Rq8lafHGcc

[slim willow]

omg its confused. hi!!

[finite crag]

So many wads you have to Download to play online

[digital grail]

what mod is?

[dapper flint]

It's just a vanilla compatible wad

[digital grail]

but the HUD looks different

[ornate vortex]

you can change the hud in slade for the specific wad

[digital grail]

how this wad called?

[slim willow]

just redraw the STBAR lump and youre good

[dapper flint]

200 lines massacre: the slaughtering

Has some cool things in it. Custom enemies and my favorite gibable pinkys

[clever vault]

-1000 points for archvile

[dapper flint]

?

[clever vault]

It’s a Vargskelethor Joel reference
he did 2 doom mapping contests and joked that the maps lost major points every time an archvile was used considering how much of a pain they are to deal with

[dapper flint]

Ahh gotcha. Yeah this one I had down in practice I wanted to kill it right away with the rockets but rockets and roaming archvile always go wrong

[vast reef]

nightmare logic maybe?

do you want to turn doom into singleplayer CS:GO?

there are some br00tal dhewm forks that are more tactical i believe

[zenith berry]

There’s literally a CS:GO mod for Doom.

Counter-Strike: Martian Offensive

[vast reef]

oh yeah i just remembered that exists lmao

[sonic island]

[silk marten]

[pseudo portal]

[faint mason]

Why does my PC lag playing classic DOOM in GZDOOM?

[vast reef]

because it isn't the best engine performance-wise

change your renderer to GLES or Vulkan

lower your resolution

[faint mason]

I try LZDOOM and Zandronum and It gives me a Black screen saying "out of range"

[vast reef]

it's how i get mine to 60+ FPS, at default i'll hit like 30 maximum

[vast reef]

yeah i get that too

your monitor can't handle the resolution it's asking for

i had to screw with the config file to get LZDoom working

[faint mason]

it crashes

[spice radish]

Funny cause isn’t LZDoom supposed to be a less intense version of GZDoom?

[narrow condor]

AFAICT LZDoom is practically abandoned

[prime moon]

GZDoom is poorly optimized

i recommend Prboom+, it's better performance wise

GZDoom is mostly used for mods

[azure nimbus]

Or use DSDA when is essentially the more updated version of prb+

[vast reef]

dsda has cool features i don't use much

i use it because fsr it's way less screwy with resolution settings

prboom used to break on me a lot because of my uncommon 1400x900 that would stop working even at the right settings

[dapper flint]

It so weird that I hear gz is poorly optimized when most issues come from people with potato pcs. There's wads now that only gz can handle and are absolutely stunning.. if you try to play them with a 10 year old rig yes you're going to have issues. Not the best to blame a whole port. I've tried playing wads like lost civilization with other ports and the performance just isn't there. You're getting options for insane frame rates in gz visual optimization and so on. If you want a vanillia experience or have a poor pc then yes I wouldn't recommend gz.

Optimization though? Gz is constantly being optimized. I don't think I've seen a port that gets as many tweaks and updates constantly

[pearl osprey]

the doom engine simply wasn't made for the kind of mods and maps being created today

while GZDoom runs slower than other engines, in reality none of the source ports we have were originally made for large maps and complex mods

besides, if you have a powerful computer you can run many mods with no slowdown

[dapper flint]

I also have issues recording with other ports which is why I use gz mainly now. Not sure if it's because of the new higher frame rate monitor but ports that only have the option for 30 and unlimited fps will have stutters all over the place when recorded even when I switch my 144hz monitor to 60.

[spice radish]

Whenever I record Doom footage I also use GZDoom. I think it just looks better for viewing qualities.

Not to bash on other port’s it’s just my preference

[cobalt perch]

so we’re all saying in the first DOOM game’s cover that the dude fighting the demons at the moment is doom guy

but who is the other guy in the background? just some other marine?

[azure nimbus]

That's doomlad

[vocal summit]

prboom isn't even fucking similar

it's a completely different thing

also it's optimized well enough

[spice radish]

Well Doomguy did go to Phobos with other marines (who all ended up dying before the game starts) I’ve seen others say it represents multiplayer

[narrow condor]

Doom was originally going to have multiple playable characters with names and backstories.

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Doom_Bible#Characters

[spice radish]

There are screenshots of that from the Doom tech demo I think

Kinda wonder what Doom would have been like if the team went with Tom Halls vision

[narrow condor]

Honestly, I think it would be worse. Some elements of Hall's vision aged pretty badly. The restrained and trimmed down Doom as we have it today allows for greater expression of fan content, in my opinion.

[spice radish]

Yeah

Kinda funny how many initial ideas changed

[west knot]

Yeah they made the right call to slim down the story

It has a better pacing without it

[azure nimbus]

I think of it less as "lore" and more as history of the devs' and their process

[vivid vine]

Doom if it had been a Build engine game

[spice radish]

Doom on the Build Engine would be cool

Someone’s probably done that already

[vivid vine]

Yes, I just remembered

A mod called Nobody Told Me About Id

Imagine if we had jumped from Wolfenstein 3D to Duke Nukem 3D and Build existed but Doom did not

I just finished the base campaign of Duke Nukem 3D and looking at the mod it captures the feeling. I suppose it would be better to go Duke than Shadow Warrior or Blood but I would like to see someone have those takes on it

Smacking down the Cyberbog

[timber garnet]

that would be rad

[spice radish]

The mod for Doom or for one of the Build Trinity? I’ll have to take a look at that

[vivid vine]

https://youtu.be/aS3VLyMg_MA

[zenith berry]

I love NTMAI.

[broken heron]

I imagine Rise of the Triad partway answers that question. After reading about what a character Tom Hall was in those days, the wackiness of ROTT makes so much more sense.

[spice radish]

Guess so yeah. Didn’t he also work on Daikatana? Wonder what he does now

Cause he was an employee at Ion Storm for a bit

[broken heron]

I'm actually at about that point in the timeline in Masters of Doom right now. I'll let you know soon if someone else doesn't answer sooner.

[broken heron]

Looks like at the time he was working on his own game, Anachronox. He also was a producer on Deus Ex

[narrow condor]

His creative approach is clearly best suited for immersive simulations.

[late frost]

At dooms gate by e1m1 holds a special place in my heart

[finite crag]

For me it’s either Nobody Told Me About Id, I Sawed the Demons, or Running from Evil

[unreal pike]

anyone know this? https://github.com/Emupedia/emupedia.github.io/

[ornate vortex]

Gone back to speedrunning rush and im so not used to it, the maps are way harder than the previous stuff ive done

already on 300 attempts for map 7

[prime moon]

and that's the issue, considering the fact that DOOM is a game from 1993, any PC should be able to run it. but with GZDoom on lower end systems that's not the case. which i think is fair to call it poorly optimized or an issue with GZDoom. it's still a great source port and has great compatibility, but it doesn't run well on lower end systems

[dapper flint]

Great point!

[vast reef]

gz is poorly optimized compared to other engines that is

lots of unity games that do what gzdoom does run infinitely better

[pearl osprey]

^

Lots of general purpose game engines run surprisingly well, if someone coded doom in them I reckon it would run better than most source ports

at least with modern large open maps

[vast reef]

yep

how do we fake the software rendering though

i'm sure there's a way

[pearl osprey]

probably can be done with post processing

GZDoom fakes it well enough

[vast reef]

yeah

[slim willow]

dsda doom

has software lighting in hardware mode

[vast reef]

oh damn i never realized

[slim willow]

make sure to update it

[vast reef]

mine's updated

i just only realized now

somehow

[dapper flint]

Well enough where I played a wad that only works properly with software rendering

[vast reef]

it's like how i never realized doomguy was left-handed until i tried smooth doom for gz

[vast reef]

yeah

[slim willow]

software mode's rendering quirks being used for cool effects should be normalized

[vast reef]

i'll always love seeing the weird shit people do with engine exploits

[slim willow]

like if you have a texture go beneath the floor it glitches out a bit. this has been used for reflection effects and stuff

[dapper flint]

I actually have a pic of that

[slim willow]

yes

[dapper flint]

https://imgur.com/a/r62269J

[vast reef]

what kind of exploration and key/switch hunts do you guys find fun

i like things to feel at least a little puzzle-y, like zelda but not quite

[dapper flint]

Humping walls until something opens

[pearl osprey]

Wow, how is this done

[vast reef]

linear maps are fine if the fights are good of course

[dapper flint]

According to the map maker she flipped the spirits and then put them in the floor. Basically

[vast reef]

yes

[pearl osprey]

smart

[spice radish]

That floor look’s immaculate

[dapper flint]

It was stained with the blood of my enemies. ( fight was actually super lame.. 8 hellnights and barons some chaingunners )

[ornate vortex]

Yeesh, got 3:50 after around 390 attempts on rush map 7

I definitely think I can do a lot better, since i've realised a tactic

[zenith berry]

is the DOOM sale still going on Switch eShop?

gonna grab either 3 or Ultimate DOOM/1993

[slim willow]

i gotta make some goofy rooms like that sometime

[dapper flint]

Just make it beautiful with one caco

[slim willow]

[hoary ether]

[broken heron]

So I just learned the Tiger electronics Doom watch from the AVGN video wasn't real. Would have been the ultimate accessory.

[grand sorrel]

I pistol started all of plutonia on ultra violence

Jk I’m not that skilled lol

[broken heron]

I've done that recently but only with saves. Really fun wad though it gets a bit samey by the second half.

What reminds me. I think I'm raising a little Casali. My older kid likes to watch me mapping and make suggestions, and his most common suggestion is "more skeleton traps."

[hexed escarp]

What source port has the longest derivation (list of what ports were based on what to show how it went from og source code to it)

[slim willow]

Boom maybe?

[spice radish]

Definitely Boom

Boom and ZDoom I would guess

[hexed escarp]

No because many things derived from boom

I’m saying which one was derived from the most things

Not which one has the most things derived from it

Like which branch of the port tree is the longest

[slim willow]

ohh

[azure nimbus]

maybe mbf21? though that is less a port and more of a compatability standard

[pearl osprey]

The longest branch I can think of is eternity and woof

Final Doom -> Boom -> MBF -> SMMU -> Eternity Engine

There are probably longer branches though

[azure nimbus]

what's smmu? It is kinda weird that final doom ends up being the last branch(since it has bouncing lost souls) despite everyone using the d2 iwad

[pearl osprey]

SMMU (Smack My Marine Up) is a source port created by Simon Howard. Deriving from the MBF codebase, it introduced several new significant features including a new scripting language, FraggleScript. Version 3.21 was the basis for the Eternity Engine.

Looks like it's MBF with scripting

[azure nimbus]

ya can't go unfraggled

[pearl osprey]

Man I really hate the doom fandom wiki

The text is so hard to read

and all the pages are basically just copied from the doomwiki

[dapper flint]

You shouldn't use it at all. It's full of mistakes

[ornate vortex]

as already said, doom fandom wiki is full of errors and genuinely isn’t good to use compared to doomwiki

[pearl osprey]

And yet google places fandom results higher than doomwiki

[azure nimbus]

fandom is a bigger site overall, hosting fandoms for a lot a lot of stuff so it is favored just cuz it's larger

[finite crag]

EMULATION IS EPIC!

Makes it so easy to play DOOM

[tepid tulip]

I love source ports

[timber garnet]

multiplayer is fun. love the chaos that comes with deathmatch

[limber mortar]

how do i remote play with my friend on doom 1993

via steam remte play

[ornate vortex]

Does anyone know what Limit Removing is? I've seen it a lot recently but I haven't really understood what it means

I assume it's just another way of saying vanilla

[pearl osprey]

The original doom had a limit on how many visplanes there are on the screen, how many linedefs, sectors there are in the map

Any map that is ever so slightly detailed or had a bunch of doomcute wouldn't run

Limit removing is vanilla doom but without these map limits

[ornate vortex]

Which I guess explains "Limit Removing"

[spice bronze]

What does that mean

[ornate vortex]

It's explained above

[spice bronze]

I mean yeah it's explained I just have no idea what visplanes, linedefs, and sectors are from a technical standpoint

[pearl osprey]

Think of it like drawing shapes

Vertexes are dots

A linedef is the line between two vertexes

A sector is a shape made of 3 or more linedefs

sectors act as the floor and ceiling, linedefs are walls

Simply put, if a map is too detailed it won't run or will crash in the original doom engine

[spice bronze]

Ok so limit removing is just an improvement on the original doom engine for the sake of map geometry and other such features?

[pearl osprey]

Exactly, just removes the mapping limits without altering the gameplay

[spice bronze]

nuts.wad moment

[azure nimbus]

The gameplay doesn't change at all besides from allowing larger/more complex maps. With that said, doom is a computer game. There is no true limit removing port. All we can do is expand the finite limits.

[pearl osprey]

That is true ^

I actually made a map that surpassed the limits of all source ports but GZDoom

And eternity I believe

I was frustrated at first that my map wouldn't run on modern source ports, but then I realized having more than 60k linedefs in a map is probably a bad idea

[cerulean field]

1. Enter the local multiplayer tab
2. Press both shift and tab to bring up the steam overlay
3. Right click on the friend you want to play with
4. Click remote play together
   Make sure your friend is using a controller as the player 2 because you both cannot use a keyboard

[spice bronze]

Can the human brain run Doom

[azure nimbus]

me running doom in my mind but at double speed so I know which missile is 80

[spice radish]

Wouldn’t be surprised

[broken heron]

Ever since I got into mapping, half my dreams have been my brain feeding me Doom levels

[spice bronze]

I’ll be working at my job and the dream about working, like bro I’m not on the clock

[unreal pike]

anyone know this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INZR9P_SnjY

and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gCZZkBATSc

[quick rover]

I installed classic doom on my grandad life support, because I got bored

[wispy radish]

I need help with E1M8

[wispy radish]

Technically, that is impossible without, y'know, removing the life support from your grandpa. Because it shouldn't be attached to someone before someone can hack it to play Doom

[ornate vortex]

This trend is overrated 😭

Yes, it's cool to see doom being played on bizarre devices, but who in their right mind would want to play doom on any of these

[wispy radish]

people who want to play doom on any of those devices

[ornate vortex]

and this is coming from someone who speedruns on a Macintosh build of a doom engine

[wispy radish]

I need help on E1M8, how do I get past the dark room full of demons?

[slim willow]

the boss room?

you have to kill the 2 bruisers

[ornate vortex]

aka the barons of hell

[wispy radish]

the one after that

not the star shaped room

[ornate vortex]

you mean the room that ends the level

that you can't clear because of damaging floor

[slim willow]

you go up the stairs

and walk on the demon face. you get ambushed and the map ends

[wispy radish]

oh

[slim willow]

thats supposed to happen

[wispy radish]

so i will have to start a new game on e2m1?

[slim willow]

yes. doom is split into episodes.

it doesnt continue on. you have to select the next episode afterwards

[ornate vortex]

E1 is probably the best episode imo

E2 and E3 are forgettable for me

[slim willow]

i like e2 a lot

but thats a pretty unpopular opinion

[wispy radish]

btw, what is the best song of each main continuity game?

[slim willow]

idfk

[ornate vortex]

Me who enjoys the remix versions more

aka project: doom

[slim willow]

i like my midis raw

[quick rover]

I know and I did that.

[quick rover]

e1m8? it takes a lot of exploring

[rotund dew]

what are the "ideal" settings for playing sunder?

as in, how the mapper intended

just asking because I'm in map 7 in the last fight and there's a TON of pain elementals at the back of a wall of imps, pinkies and other nasties

and if I leave the lost soul limit off, it quickly becomes hell, pretty much the entire arena becomes crowded with lost souls and it's insanely hard to BFG the elementals, most of the tracers end up in lost souls

I was able to clear the lost soul wall in sunlust, but this is a totally different animal

[azure nimbus]

sunder was designed with zdoom and freelook in mind -- however, it is considered a boom mapset for the purpose of speedruns. So do what you like with regards to freelook. Definitely leave lost soul limit off though. Freelook is debateable, but pain elementals should not be limited here

[rotund dew]

I don't use freelook

[vast reef]

theoretically, we have the power to do all of the operations required

the problem is utilizing it

[vast reef]

based

[tepid tulip]

For Doom episodes, yeah Episode 1 is always the best

Tho, E2M1 as a stage I find better than E1M1, theme and map, but sadly E2M2 falls off hard.

I probably would argue E2M6 is one of the best stages in episode 2 bar none if it wasn't for the annoying dark maze, but even then you get night goggles so it really isn't that bad

E3M1 is pretty weak opener, great theme tho

[dapper flint]

4s always going to have a special place for me. Pretty sure that was the first episode I played as a kid

[tepid tulip]

I think E4M1 has a very unique design in terms of the level layout

I don't remember much of E3 but there is a stage I'm sure people would agree sucks ass

That stage with the four teleporters

Granted I did figure out the trick, but doesn't excuse the fact that it's an awfully made stage in the level design department

Was it E3M5?

[dapper flint]

Yup

[spice bronze]

The human brain can run doom it’s just terribly unoptimized to it

[vale gyro]

Yea, especially my brain. Only running on Firmware Alpha 1

[snow lynx]

hello classic doom fans, looking for some assistance getting a private match going with some buddies, does this function still exist ?

[uncut minnow]

it does

[snow lynx]

its been since the 9600baud / 28.8 / 33.6 days that I since played classic doom2 with .wad files loaded via command line

now im trying to figure it all out again for preset day

mainly 2 .wad files to setup a sever and play with buddies, etc.... trying to find the correct methods to perform this

[snow lynx]

how does one 'does' this 🙂

[finite crag]

Unholy Cathedral

Awful, awful level.

I actually really like most of Episode 3's levels. It's just Unholy Cathedral and Limbo I dislike.

[snow lynx]

i have to track down the .wad files again, i think i saved them just have to remember where

stargate.wad
ambushdm.wad

[tepid tulip]

I think Ep2 and 3 have a few bunk levels and some great ones, I do like some ep3 levels but I'd have to play that again

[uncut minnow]

open the gamr

and boom

[tepid tulip]

I do wish E3M1 had better oomph tho

[finite crag]

The song's great at least.

Love Untitled

[tepid tulip]

Indeed, that's what keeping it up there

Ah yes the beloved Mouth of War

[finite crag]

Soundtrakc's one of the biggest things that keeps Doom 1993 so far above Doom II for me.

[uncut minnow]

broccoli

[tepid tulip]

I like that theme so much that I listened to the inspiration

[snow lynx]

any assistance would be appreciated, no rush really, i will continue to use the Google machine to see if i can figure this out 🙂

[tepid tulip]

It's kinda funny how, Doom 2 I only mainly listen to Running from Evil (I do get why some don't care for it, well, mappers lol)

[finite crag]

Doom II really fumbles its soundtracks. Levels that are supposed to be in-your-face and impactful have elevator music for soundtracks. The game's best songs, like Into Sandy's City, are never reused.

[tepid tulip]

The rest are kinda meh

Oh yeah sandy city is great

Too bad the pit, it's the pits

But one of my top favorite maps is tricks and traps

[finite crag]

Really reeeeally sucks when you go into Hell for the first time in Doom II and it's supposed to be this big deal, and then when you get there, it's playing this shit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7HNtSDPd5U

[ornate vortex]

The pit isn’t a bad level, but it’s just exhausting to come back to

[finite crag]

Tricks and Traps is good.

[tepid tulip]

Dead Simple to Tricks and Traps really does feel peak Doom 2

[ornate vortex]

Tricks and Traps is overrated imo

[finite crag]

WHY the FUCK doesn't Into Sandy's City play in Downtown? It's literally a city made by Sandy.

Having that song play would make Downtown almost bearable.

[tepid tulip]

Yeah it ain't that bad, but just not always that fun to me

Well, I am glad we have MID the Way ID did bc honestly I would take the fanmade soundtrack on Doom 2, not to say Doom 2 has bad soundtracks just a bit too dry for my taste

[ornate vortex]

My favourite level with doom has always been dead simple

[tepid tulip]

Doom as a soundtrack does stand firm

[ornate vortex]

it’s just straight to the point

[tepid tulip]

I love dead Simple

[ornate vortex]

I haven’t played any iwads in a while

been busy on doing stupidly complicated speedruns

[tepid tulip]

I do wish Doom 2 has a better middle game, or at least the city stages aren't my cup of tea

[ornate vortex]

the last levels aren’t great either

[tepid tulip]

Map15 is great

Yeah I heard the last levels are much worse

[ornate vortex]

Barrels of Fun and the Spirit World are just not great

[tepid tulip]

I do plan on doing a UV run sometime

[tepid tulip]

I've seen the MtPain review and while I'm glad I never gotten there I don't think I'd like that stage at all

Even if I don't intend on pistol starting

[finite crag]

I like Spirit World. Barrels of Fun is dog-ass.

[tepid tulip]

I'm mainly referring to barrels of fun

[ornate vortex]

People make the assumption that pistol starting makes you better at the game

[tepid tulip]

Or in this case barrels of fuck

[finite crag]

I'm so glad Plutonia exists because it honestly is such a massive step up from Doom II in terms of level design and actually using the new monsters to good and meaningful effect.

[ornate vortex]

Plutonia is pretty good for 90s standards

[tepid tulip]

I kinda prefer the continuous feel of having my inventory rather than getting rid of it all the time

[ornate vortex]

With the only exception of Cyberden

[tepid tulip]

I would still try pistol starts when I do get better at Doom

[finite crag]

Same

Pistol starting isn't my thing.

[ornate vortex]

I speedrun individual maps so I am basically forced to pistol start

[tepid tulip]

Well I do have ep2 to go through and I've been heavily studying decinos playthrough of that campaign

Bc I want to mainly 100% kill everything, not really for secrets tho

The only one I dread a bit is Ep3 bc I think it is one of my least favorites as a campaign, Ep2 does have some good qualities

Ep4 honestly I do like more than those two

My rating is Ep1 > Ep4 > Ep2 > Ep3

But there isn't like huge gaps

Base doom gameplay is very fun that it isn't really that bad of a drag down

[grand sorrel]

Shall we discuss plutonia map 11?

I started to get into all of the classic doom and blood games because of civvie11

I Wonder what doom would look like if it was made with the build engine, I’d think it’d be more like blood or even modern doom.

[rotund dew]

episode 4 is a rollercoaster in UV.

map1 - hard
map2 - hard
map9 - not hard
map3 - not hard
map4 - we don't talk about that one
map5 - not hard
map6 - hard
map 7 and 8 - not hard

[rotund dew]

I like the classic experience of being unable to look up or down

[rotund dew]

especially chaingunners, revenants and viles.

plutonia LOVES chaingunners and revenants

[tepid tulip]

Yeah it is inconsistent but then again for ep4 I only played on HMP

I have yet to practice UV

That's usually my baseline, but since I heard Doom isn't too menacing even on UV if you practice well

I might as well give it a shot

[finite crag]

I'm okay with it but not on first playthrough.

First playthrough of the older games should be as vanilla as possible. Freelook is fun on replays.

[rotund dew]

the first map is pretty hard on UV, especially if you're going for UV 100% kills

you have all those enemies and the only health you're getting is 8 health bonuses and 1 green armor

||and in those enemies there are 5 barons||

(the spoiler is because I don't know if you are aware of what you'll be facing in UV, and I'm going to let you find out)

then after a serious beatdown in map1, there comes map 2, in which you have very limited health and are facing a lot ot nastiness again

[ionic sable]

https://youtu.be/wTWtoZcSZSM

[sturdy laurel]

More Sigil II mapping,

https://www.twitch.tv/theromero?sr=a

[spice radish]

If Doom was made on the Build Engine I don’t think it would be like the other Build games in the sense it would have its own identity

Just like how Duke Nukem 3D is so different from Blood

[tepid tulip]

So that very same Sigil (Doom Ep5?)

Has a sequel upcoming?

Do you even call it Doom Ep6 or you call it Doom Ep5 Part 2?

[azure nimbus]

Whatever Romero decides. I think it's actually up to him what to call it

[tepid tulip]

Yeah I rather it be up to him, I just was curious how would it be lol

I do wanna try Sigil whenever I gain more experience too in Doom

[dapper flint]

It's not to bad. You'll be fine

[tepid tulip]

True, I guess I mean it in a UV context

[dapper flint]

Yeah me also

[tepid tulip]

Maybe I could do that after doom 2

But I don't think I want to do 100% kills for Doom 2, just a regular UV session

I do want to play Scythe, and some other maps for vanilla afterwards

[sturdy laurel]

Given how Sigil II is designed with Ultimate Doom in mind, I think it's safe to call it Episode Six.

[tepid tulip]

i also forget about Final Doom levels, but damn Plutonia is rough for me to do

I rather start with Evilution first

[tepid tulip]

It is kinda nice to see Ultimate Doom still getting a canonical Episode 5 and 6 even after so long

Definitely deserves it, especially Doom being 30 this year

On year of the rabbit no less lol

[sturdy laurel]

Canonical to the point of Sigil I becoming an official addon for the Unity port.

And Romero's also making some new textures for Sigil II, I've heard.

[tepid tulip]

I think maybe when I get up there completely through Ultimate Doom and Sigil, honestly would love to have a blind playthrough and record myself playing Sigil II when it releases

I feel like that's realistic

[azure nimbus]

I'm curious if Romero will put the secret exit in map 3,5,6, or 2 so that it can be made compatible for less advanced ports that can't handle umapinfo

[dapper flint]

I'm just hoping it also has co op monsters

[ornate vortex]

are there any useful tips for not burning out when it comes to doom mapping?

[dapper flint]

Since one humanity didn't I'm not sure

[wispy radish]

How many maps are in episode 1 of the first doom game

[azure nimbus]

9

[wispy radish]

how to reach the 9th map?

[weary vine]

Its a secret level i think

[azure nimbus]

e1m3 has a secret exit. Decino's video(or mine), or doomwiki detail how to get there

the ninth level of each episode is found via secret exit of one of the main rotation levels within the episode

[weary vine]

I got softlocked in doom 2 map 20 and had to redo the whole game

[azure nimbus]

or you could have went to map20 with level select

how'd you get softlocked

every map can be beaten pistol start. In particular map20 that equips you with a bfg

[tepid tulip]

I enjoy E1M3

E1M3 and E1M6 my beloved

[spice radish]

You didn’t have a save to reload?

You also could have just done pistol start

[weary vine]

No

[weary vine]

Pain elemental and cacos

[vocal jetty]

Playing through TNT Eviloution and i gotta say, some of these maps really suck

Some of my least favorite maps are map 13 or Map 7

Level structure is convoluted, music is just awful on some levels. Monster placement is OK. Some levels can go from baby levels of easy to painfully difficult.

Sometimes I find myself running in circles because I don’t know what to do or how to solve a puzzle, needlessly backtracking to earlier areas.

[warped jungle]

Sigil II is being made for Doom II

[vocal jetty]

I’ve also found myself being bottlenecked by enemies. On map 15 I opened up a secret that led to a revenant in a small corridor, which was totally unexpected. The revenant punched me and I died now I don’t know about anybody else but if I go into a secret area, I don’t expect to see a revenant inside said secret area

[warped jungle]

Unless he switched games? It says in the stream it's for "the original doom" but the map he released is for doom 2...????

[warped jungle]

I played through tnt once a while ago

I've tried to play through it again multiple other times and I just can't bring myself to

It's so dry

[vocal jetty]

Not even dry the levels just… stink

[warped jungle]

I actually am a big fan of most of TNT's music tho

Especially map02

[vocal jetty]

I just can’t get over a map 13’s music, it just sounds like a 12-year-old trying to play guitar.

Sure some of the music is good, but it’s sure not doom 1 levels of quality.

It’s taking me way longer to beat this than it took me to beat doom 2 because it’s just so tiring, like this is just not fun to play.

I’m sorry to any TNT fans out there but I’m just trying to be honest about my experience and opinions towards this game

But props to them for seeing something in it that i can’t

[slim willow]

no it isnt. hes making sigil 2 for doom 1 and also working on a doom 2 wad on the side

[narrow condor]

Sigil 2 was initially announced for Doom 2 (and One Humanity was supposed to be a map out of it) but Romero later decided to make Sigil 2 a Doom episode.

[hexed escarp]

I'm so excited to see sigil 2

Do any ports even support an episode 6?