classic-doom

[narrow condor]

This is my favourite part of the original engine: https://github.com/chocolate-doom/chocolate-doom/blob/master/src/doom/m_random.c

[vast reef]

sure, but don't expect me to come back with anything soon

[dapper flint]

Exact clone or just vibe like the way id did?

[finite crag]

Is the Arachnotron the same model as the mastermind?

[azure nimbus]

no. some slight differences

[craggy bone]

More on the "heavily inspired" side. You know, like how half of MAP07s boil down to "kill a bunch of mancubi, then kill a bunch of arachnotrons, then exit"

[narrow condor]

CC2 M28 is the most 'screw you' map I've ever played. At least other such maps are amusing.

[finite crag]

Is asking anyone of their up for a game of deathmatch or something allowed

[eager plover]

theres a game similar to doom on roblox. Its called hellreaver arena. There might b more i dunno

its a deathmatch

[sturdy laurel]

E1M10: Sewers.

Doom II has a similar warp hidden in MAP02, which leads to MAP33: Betray.

[restive idol]

Where can I play online on pc

With people still playing not dead servers

[restive idol]

So nobody knows lmfao

[azure nimbus]

zandronum and odemex have frequent games. There are associated discords too

[restive idol]

People still use zandronum

What happened to zdaemon

[vast reef]

zdaemon still has regularly occurring events

but zandronum's where most people play now, assuming due to mods?

also bc zdaemon's considered outdated these days

[vale gyro]

Going Down so far is the hardest megawad I have played, and I have not gotten off map01 yet

Yea…I suck at doom, like a lot

[fickle adder]

doom

[finite crag]

Indeed

[lunar chasm]

I'm bored. Which WAD should I play: Heretic or Strife

[dusty holly]

Am I the only person who likes the DOOM 1993 add-on: Harmony?

[finite crag]

More than likely, Sam

But who knows

[dusty holly]

[tulip garden]

Never played harmony myself so i wouldn't be able to tell

[slim willow]

actually that would be tnt map 22

[vital knoll]

Plutonia 2 sucks ass

Plutonia 2 2?

Anyway, I finished TNT Evilution via Final Doom PSX CE recently and it definitely wasn’t good, but also wasn’t as bad as I expected. Not sure how people think TNT is better than Plutonia

[dapper flint]

If you want pure torture give no end I'm sight a go

[dapper flint]

More of a uv plus fan myself

[ornate vortex]

uv-fast seems interesting and I wanna try it out at some point

I was thinking since next year is doom's 30th year anniversary, I might speedrun through some id levels

and idk whether uv-fast would be suitable there or in other wads

[dapper flint]

More ammo needed for more monsters

Not at all

The exact opposite which is why people do it

Map 22 uv plus plutonia and get back to me

[dapper flint]

Personally used to be obsessed with fast but not anymore. Used to do alot of fast and fast uv plus. ( being the first person to do uv plus fast sigil so I have experience) fast forces alot of passive play and really effects movement. I'd always suggest a harder wad rather than playing fast these days

I should mention that before doing solo net you should playthrough the wad and see if it's balanced or if the map maker thought about it. Rather than just tossing in a cyber demon or 3. Some are balanced well and increase difficulty while others just bog down the map

[ornate vortex]

Please test your maps to see if it's balanced

A lot of people hate it when there's lack of health, either a shit ton of hiscanners or cyberdemons

Idk, whenever someone throws tons of chaingunners with no health pickups, it annoys me

I basically groan at it

[azure nimbus]

idk if playtesting coop even works cuz mapmakers don't know how many you'll play with

[pearl osprey]

^

This is a problem I faced creating maps

You can set items to spawn for multiplayer, you cannot set them to spawn specifically when there are 2 or 3 or 4 players

My current solution is to isolate each player start and make special areas that can only be accessed in coop

Although it is very tedious

[finite crag]

I’ve got that music from map 10 or 11 of Doom 2 stuck in my head. The one that sounds remarkably like an old Slayer song.

[finite crag]

Map 13 is not fun

[slim willow]

No it is not

[azure nimbus]

incorrect

[slim willow]

correct

[finite crag]

The next few after that have been pretty fun. But 13? Yikes.

Although I’m stuck on the red key, map 15

[royal heron]

I am late, but I am here nonetheless
I heard talks of the worst map on TNT
Lemme introduce you to Habitat, the map where you can complete it in under 20 seconds

and if you take the normal route, it's an endless confusing maze of sewers where everything looks exactly the fucking same and the level design doesn't make sense

ah yes I still have my 18.83 speedrun on it

it's such a dumb run that I'm not even going to submit it to DSDA

[slim willow]

It was gonna be free but id offered them a deal

In an alternate universe Evilution was another 90s wad left forgotten

[royal heron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/854794877594501143/1049880909073092708/Screen_Shot_2022-12-06_at_9.51.47_PM.png

my demo endscreen

if I was a tic faster I would've tied second place, 18.80

[slim willow]

for real

[royal heron]

most people just find the traps hard to deal with tbh

plutonia is good, and I especially like Go 2 It

[slim willow]

yeah I love Plutonia

i disagree

its a great intro to doom but it lacks a lot beyond being an intro to doom

i still love it to death tho

easily the "best" doom 1 episode

[royal heron]

this makes me want to play Go 2 It again despite having work to do

[azure nimbus]

go 2 it is the one level that I prefer on coop_spawns

[finite crag]

They’re wearing me out with these keys man

Halfway through

[royal heron]

34 minutes

died twice though, but with rewind that's not a problem

[dapper flint]

Co op spawns like I mentioned are hit or miss. I suggest you test the map before deciding to do the wad anyways. Some are fantastic like btsx and eviternity some not so much

[finite crag]

So I’m halfway through Doom 2. Are the new demons special appearance only or something? Haven’t seen many of them.

[slim willow]

you're playing on hurt me plenty right?

the old games and their enemy count and what appears where is dependant on difficulty. they're a little more there on ultra violence sometimes (often) to the point of "wow a room full of pain elementals. great..."

[finite crag]

Only one Archvile so far 🙏

[slim willow]

Oh those are scarce in 2 regardless of difficulty

[finite crag]

With little exception, Doom 2 definitely feels more or less like just more of Doom 1.

I don’t know anything about level design, but it’s taken me a very long time to find my way out of some of these maps.

[slim willow]

what map are you on now?

[finite crag]

I got through map 15 earlier before I called it a day.

[vale gyro]

this man, has been through more doom maps in less time than I have

yet again, I don’t play often so, thats a reason

[azure nimbus]

doom2 is really conservative in terms of using new enemies. pwads use them way better

[azure nimbus]

map15 is maybe the most complicated level

[outer sage]

That's the one with arrow on the ground right?

[slim willow]

No that is 13

[azure nimbus]

there is an arrow on the ground in 15 but the most famous arrow is 13

[outer sage]

God i just hate some of the Sandy levels, 09 is a good one though, got stuck on my UV run on that level

[finite crag]

15 was the one that had the arrow pointing to the secret wall that holds the blue key

[azure nimbus]

most of it was actually made before doom1

[narrow condor]

Ah yes, the refuelling base of Tei Tenga.

[zenith berry]

Like mash E1M1, Map01 of Doom II, two Final Dooms and Master Levels flawlessly into one?

[azure nimbus]

how will you handle keys? vanilla doom only knows about key colors(the yellow card and skull are functionally equivalent and boom gives you all six.

[ornate vortex]

I completed Scythe X

I'm kinda sad it ended on map 10, but I can also see why Alm burnt out from doom mapping

[finite crag]

Damn, I completely forgot about the secret Wolfenstein levels

[dapper flint]

Always a good sign you're sad after a map set

[latent nebula]

[latent nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-gif-25164052

[peak bison]

I think the cacodemon is supposed to be scary but he just looks goofy

[latent nebula]

Yeah

[peak bison]

[finite crag]

At the time it was probably horrifying

[azure nimbus]

tnt fans when they get to an empty room: it has atmosphere. I do think that if I was more familiar with the iwad, I'd maybe get a kick out of knowing all the hidden nooks, but also, I want to fight monsters

[dapper flint]

They're not supposed to look scary. Just a reference to a DND monster

Called an astral dreadnought

[narrow condor]

The detached head thereof. :-P

[latent nebula]

I don’t know they is no one on

[left jay]

on god ???? for real ??? 🤯

:(

sobs. and cries also

[latent nebula]

The first level in classic doom is my favorite one

[old pumice]

wtf up with my copy of gzdoom

I'm trying to use idbeholda on the console but it doesn't work

[azure nimbus]

no need to type it in console. Cheats are typed during main gameplay except for gz specific ones like "fly" or "notarget". iddt is more powerful than idbeholda btw

[old pumice]

oo

I just want idbeholda cuz my only problem is that I have no idea how to progress in this one wad

so do I just type idbeholda like if I was doing of those controller button combos

oh yeah that worked, thxs

[slim willow]

TNT is absolutely dreadful. I know this sounds awful, but most people I've seen who prefer it usually have issues with revs and archies.

And then they get better and go "wow Plutonia is so much better than I remembered!"

[ornate vortex]

What makes me bizarre is how I personally think Plutonia is overrated (not saying it’s a bad wad)

[slim willow]

I think Plutonia has the best official maps. But I also sorta agree. It's definitely a wad from 96.

I still think Alien Vendetta is peak vanilla.

[ornate vortex]

I would actually agree there

I mean, there’s also hell revealed, but i think i’d pass on that one

[slim willow]

I know. But I'm saying AV outclassed all of the classic vanilla wads.

Also way harder than Plutonia.

[ornate vortex]

Alien Vendetta is way harder than Plutonia, longer in average map length as well

Plus the difficulty curve for AV is definitely a lot better than plutonia’s

[slim willow]

I agree fully.

[ornate vortex]

Plutonia is almost a mix, you get maps like “Abattoire” and The Twilight which are hard casually compared to the levels that come before and after

[slim willow]

Yeah I like how it eases you into the mean stuff

Map 20 being this sort of "calm before the storm" map

Wish it didn't fall victim to needing an icon fight though...

[ornate vortex]

I’d come close to saying that Sunlust’s curve in difficulty is almost similar to AV, except Sunlust is just known for being superior in every way possible

[slim willow]

Well yeah. Fancy Boom wads can do it way better because they have more tools available.

[ornate vortex]

True

[slim willow]

For a 2001 wad that can run on dos though, AV is definitely super impressive.

At least in my opinion.

[ornate vortex]

Scythe is also pretty good

[slim willow]

Yeah Scythe rules too

[ornate vortex]

The final level is a ball buster tho

Anyways, pretty random question but where would you say Magnolia is in terms of difficulty?

Im aware the UV version is very tough

but im not so sure about hurt me plenty

[slim willow]

Wad I haven't played yet. Looks cool though

[half basalt]

I have a question

[fickle adder]

Mongolia

[narrow condor]

I thought I'd just play one more map before going to bed and it ended up taking 1,5 hours.

M29 of CC3 — an absolutely exhausting map to get through.

It's like a prototype of Sunder.

[finite crag]

Plutonia is in the process of becoming my favourite official wad

Every new challenge is unique and still fun to solve

[finite crag]

What is the most extense level wad?

[craggy bone]

The final level of Scythe is such an insane difficulty spike haha

I wish Scythe had ramped up the difficulty a bit more gradually, rather than have those BIG spikes on 21 and 30

[narrow condor]

Yeah, that's a common complaint about Scythe.

The first episode has a very gentle difficulty slope in comparison.

I'm not sure if I ever finished the last map. I remember it being too tiring and overwhelming to be enjoyable.

[tired dawn]

guys how do you get the plutonia and tnt wads?

from the official steam port

[azure nimbus]

right click your game in the steam menu -> manage -> browse files -> find tnt.wad and plutonia.wad

[tired dawn]

oh, so the tnt and plutonia wads are from a different directory

[azure nimbus]

idk

click around the browse files area, should find it eventually. if not, try doing the same thing after adding plut and tnt as addons

[ornate vortex]

Fire and Ice is definitely a ball buster. Even I struggle to beat it casually and ive basically beaten sunlust

but Scythe 2 is much worse in difficulty spike

The jump to whispering winds (Map 23) is utterly cruel on Alm’s part

The level before it is on par with difficulty and then all of a sudden it jumps real high

[vast reef]

are there any wads that make the icon fight an enjoyable experience

[slim willow]

idclip

[azure nimbus]

Alien Vendetta makes it worse if you're interested in that with a borderline mandatory sr50

[mighty kettle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/285880764493725696/1042717232922361876/image0-90.gif

[slim willow]

how original

[royal heron]

same, all I've done is cheese the last keycard and do speedruns on it

[sacred orbit]

I found a perfect mod to match Doom Eternal
Finally!!
EOA Eternal
Endless Battles

And I found some Arena maps for it

[autumn marsh]

uhm can somone help me mod with gzdoom to be able to play online

[modest elbow]

I found out how to play doom 1 and 2 on my school chromebooks

[ornate vortex]

Speedruns are really 50/50 on enhancing experience

you can either make levels more enjoyable or more excruciating depending on the tricks you wanna pull off

I for sure remember speedrunning rush map 5 was a pain in the ass, since I had to vile jump to grab a key

80% of the time the arch vile was too busy infighting to zap me

[gentle compass]

Often times, the fulfillment will be finding ways to mitigate that percentage

Speedrunners are fascinating to watch at work

[ornate vortex]

Absolutely, the things they can pull off sometimes are absolutely insanity

[ornate vortex]

Daerik's D2ALL on Sunlust for example

[vast reef]

what's the problem?

i assume you've been to the https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=45124& thread

[random tartan]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY DOOM

[vast reef]

oh my god how did i forget

HAPPY BIRTHDAY DOOM

you'll be 30 next year 🥲

[dapper flint]

https://youtu.be/LlyXBooMcek

[blazing ingot]

Happy 30th DOOM!

[pearl osprey]

29th*

[royal heron]

Agreed

[royal heron]

I can attest to this with my e1m1 9.91 and my e2m6 18.20

e1m3 was more skill so it was eh, despite the crushing deaths I got near the exit door

I can either get good rng with monsters in toxic room or just get a dead run or miss the exit switch for e1m1, or not get a fast wobble or miss the angle of the void glide by a single tic and either die or not propel myself into the void, not to mention either undershooting or overshooting the void switch press in e2m6

But for some reason I still keep going back to e2m6, idk the void glide is just so fun to do

[azure nimbus]

e2m6 would be faster if runners used the secret exit

[minor elk]

Happy birthday you silly little game :)

[autumn marsh]

: D

a classic materpeice

[vocal jetty]

Happy 29th birthday to the greatest fps game series ever made by man

[slim willow]

Happy birthday to E2M9 ❤️❤️❤️

[hexed escarp]

Is Jimmy gonna be providing midis for sigil 2?

[outer glade]

happy birthday Doom

(I know I'm late but I still made it)

[karmic turret]

Does anyone have information to download the classic doom on mobile and pc?

[finite crag]

Happy B-day Doom

[karmic turret]

is today?

[pearl osprey]

On PC: Buy it on Steam or GOG
On mobile: Buy it on the App Store or Google Play

[pearl osprey]

29th doom birthday today

[karmic turret]

oh

[karmic turret]

oh ok thanks

[thorny galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-dance-dancing-doomguy-shuffle-gif-25536803

Happy 29th Birthday DOOM!

[finite crag]

Ye

[karmic turret]

oh hell!

[hoary ether]

Yessir doom 1993

[karmic turret]

happy 29th birthday DOOM!

[sturdy laurel]

Looks like Sigil II will start on an Earth techbase, seen as Doomguy escaped from Hell yet again at the end of Sigil 1.

[azure nimbus]

xbox1 MP is local only

[mystic trellis]

does anyone know where i can find the manual of the 1993 game that gives doomguy origin etc

[slim willow]

you could probably find pdfs if you google it

[dapper flint]

🧀

[slim willow]

indeed

[dapper flint]

❤️

[slim willow]

❤️

how does it feel to be the only good slayer pfp

[dapper flint]

How's it feel just being a sexy mf like yourself. Same vibes brotha

[autumn marsh]

how do you play online on this?

ik theres stuff like gzdoom but i want to know how to do it

[slim willow]

Feels damn good

[zenith berry]

Zandronum or Doomseeker

[vast reef]

wdym "or"

it's zandronum and doomseeker

doomseeker is a server browser and zandronum is a source port

[narrow condor]

I'm excited about this year's Cacowards.

I'm certain Overboard is going to be there, even if it's an honourable mention.

[azure nimbus]

https://www.doomworld.com/cacowards/2022 they're already up

[narrow condor]

No way!

[vast reef]

holy crap

[azure nimbus]

box of 1k demons was mentioned. I didnt have enough ammo for lvl3. maybe I just committed a skill issue?

[velvet lance]

Decino had an off day with his dodging on Python (but survived!) I've taken on No Damage on Sunder's 1st map. How hard was this? Find out. https://youtu.be/wLEpQ2BYwTQ

[azure nimbus]

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/131986-2311-rc2-update-hundreds-thousands-6-short-reality-maps-for-boom/ you might be interested in these levels https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxVRni9vvvQ&list=PL6z3JwchtJUFulix2uKtP6pvVRkYGX5PT. they're reality maps

[velvet lance]

Cool! Thanks for the tip. I've got a lot of maps on my to-do list, though. 🙂

[autumn marsh]

Idk what either of those are

[marble tundra]

Can you sneak up on enemies in the original dooms?

[marsh slate]

Of a sorts i think, yes, im only 16 so im not to knowledgeable on this subject, but i think i have in flash versions

[marble tundra]

Hmm, alright. I'll have to research it more, thank you.

[prime lava]

what does age have to do with this

anyway, if a sleeping enemy is blind or not in an "ambush" state, then yes

in an ambush state enemies will automatically wake up if there is any line of sight between you and them even if they face the other direction

[dapper flint]

Truth! And this is coming from one of the best speedrunners and he's young

[marsh slate]

Ur wlcm

[azure nimbus]

kinda. Levels are not usually built around it but enemies do have a cone of awareness in front of them and sound propagation is limited by walls and the like. There are some niche instances where you can silently trigger shootable switches by using the delay between the sound and the actual weapon attack, or where you can prefire bfg/rockets before enemies are aware before the full barrage unloads on the enemy the moment they see you. So in the majority of cases, no: levels are not designed for it. But there are rare times where you can "surprise" enemies or keep them unaware longer than you might expect.

[marble tundra]

Ahh, I see. Thank you for the answer!

[azure nimbus]

gambing

[dire wigeon]

im playin this game for the first time

[finite crag]

LMFAO THE 32X MAP03 MUSIC https://youtu.be/Eqf-gcOp7bI

[narrow condor]

Is it really called 'The Imps Song'?

Oh it's just a typo in the upload title.

[ionic ivy]

When Mancubus said “Imyourmom” I really felt it

[broken heron]

My brain always parsed it as "hump your mom."

[broken heron]

Also, I just realized hell knights sound a bit kind they're saying au revoir when they die

[summer fjord]

Is this channel only for the original source port?

[slim willow]

anything doom 1, 2, final doom, mods for those games, ports for those games. anything

[summer fjord]

Ok so I'm on linux and trying to start crispy-doom from a tty, which works but then my keyboard and mouse stop working and i have to reboot my PC in order to exit... Anyone succesfully achieved this?

[ionic sable]

https://youtu.be/Y6RuD4py8hg

[rough smelt]

[hoary ether]

Question for my Xbox users, can I complete the “shoot it until it dies” achievement in co op

[azure nimbus]

don't see why not -- though bear in mind that it'll be harder in coop. In solo, you can make a save after 35 or so rockets so you are confident that you don't kill him with stronger weapons

[hoary ether]

And can I do it on any difficulty?

[ornate vortex]

I've come to the conclusion that Cyriak is one of the best mappers out there

After playing overboard, he definitely shows talent in making maps that only consist of one fight that slowly unfolds itself

the way he structures the fights feels so clean

[latent nebula]

Man you are sexier then me 🗿

[azure nimbus]

sure. go load up e2m8 and get the achivement. you could have gotten the achievement several times over already. It's a pretty easy one

[broken heron]

Yup, the biggest danger with the cyberdemon is the intimidation factor. It's actually pretty safe to fight him aggressively if you keep moving.

[dapper flint]

Extremely talented

[ornate vortex]

Overboard is almost perfectly balanced in my opinion in terms of the fights

[dapper flint]

I've really wanted to give it another go on plus 😦

[ornate vortex]

I'm not gonna speedrun the plus levels

I think i'll casually play them instead

[dapper flint]

Which sourceport is your favorite?

[ornate vortex]

I personally use DSDA

which I believe is Prboom+ derived

[dapper flint]

Makes sense since you're submitting runs. I was going to see if you'd try to speed run Heartland on eternity. Haven't seen to many of those

[ornate vortex]

I didn't even think of speedrunning Heartland

It sounds interesting tho

[dapper flint]

Yeah I was just thinking about that the other day I've seen zero demos

[ornate vortex]

True, there's barely any

At the moment, i'm now making a plan for probably one of the craziest speedruns i'll do in a while

[dapper flint]

What's that ?

[ornate vortex]

Comatose UV-Max

Nobody's ever done it, and I can understand why

it's completely bonkers, invisible monsters, huge map, casually takes over an hour to beat

[dapper flint]

Oh yeah! You mentioned thatm that's a great idea. Get clicks for sure

[ornate vortex]

I thought it would be a great idea, since Nuts3 did get a lot of attention

[azure nimbus]

there are a few on dsda

[dapper flint]

Damn that's cool!

[faint mason]

any tips for map23 barrels of fun from DOOM2? I always end up with low ammo or health

[ornate vortex]

well, use berserk for some parts of the map

specifically the pain elemental bit and the pinky swarm

and if you still struggle just skip the map, barrels o fun is sandy’s worst map

by miles

i’d go as far to say that barrels o fun is one of the worst maps in doom II

[faint mason]

yeah i usually use the BFG for the pain elementals

[ornate vortex]

fair enough

but if you wanna save ammo, berserk is the way to go

[faint mason]

you're right

it scares me a little to think about punching, even with berserk, a pain elemental lol

[azure nimbus]

berserking pains is great cuz if you're up close, they fail to spawn lost souls

[broken heron]

For pistol start it's an absolute pain. Playing single segment it's a really fun gimmick map.

[weak moon]

how do I swap grenades in doom

[azure nimbus]

not gonna happen in this this game, ultimate doom and doom2.. if you're on new doom, check your settings and it'll tell you

[weak moon]

new doom

[prisma sky]

balls

[slim willow]

this is #classic-doom

[broken heron]

I don't know why it took me this long to try wads outside commercial Doom, but Revilution is great so far. What's the general opinion on the Plutonia sequels? Might try those next.

[azure nimbus]

plut2 is generally regarded as quite good. plut3 is just a few nonsense levels made by a young kid who liked plutonia and is not regarded as good. There is also plutonia revisited which I think is pretty decent as well. There are no sequels made by plutonia's developers themselves. I do personally encourage you to try stuff that isn't plutonia themed as well(even though plut is great), but also play what you like

if you really like plutonia, you should also consider everything Josh Sealy has made, as well as Ribbiks' Crumpets pwad. Sealy wears his plutonia inspiration on his sleave, and crumpets is just in my mind, an extension of plutonia but with Ribbiks distinctive style and a good intro to ribbiks(this is one of his easier sets and he makes harder levels usually

[broken heron]

Ooh, Crumpets looks promising

[ornate vortex]

Ribbiks is super talented when it comes to map making, however most of his maps are far above my skill level.

You could go for a wad that’s completely different in aesthetics but only a step up from difficulty compared to plutonia

(Ancient Aliens, Rush, Valiant, etcetera)

I only put rush in there because im biased and rush is one of my all time favourite wads

[narrow condor]

I'd like to recommend Cydonia, my favourite Plutonia-themed wad.

[vast reef]

is sleave some sort of pun

not trying to call out the typo, that's a dickish move imo

just genuinely asking if it's some sort of pun on sealy

[azure nimbus]

I was so hyperfocused on spelling sealy correctly that I was in the headspace to spell all "eeeee" double vowels that way. I got intellectually outpaced by sleeve

[vast reef]

lmfao

[finite crag]

Hello

[royal heron]

hi'

[ornate vortex]

Afternoon 🍵

[random tartan]

evening

[pearl osprey]

Hello 🫃

[fiery nebula]

[slim willow]

[hoary ether]

[finite crag]

Circumambulation of the Transcendental Columns of Singularity

[ornate vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/ronaldo-suit-ronaldo-ronaldo-celebration-ronaldo-thanks-thanks-gif-26215941

[vale gyro]

The question: Can my laptop run Doom

The answer: kinda

Reason: idk

[graceful acorn]

Classic doom is amazing

[slim willow]

It is

[broken heron]

It always floors me that Doom was made in less than a year because it has such an impressively fine-tuned game feel. I've been rediscovering some 90s favorites with my older kid, and even most of the good ones feel at least a bit dated in a way that Doom just doesn't.

[finite crag]

Heck yeah

[broken heron]

You know what's kind of weird though? When I step back and think about Doom as a dad, it's violent as hell. But when actually playing it, the gore doesn't even register. It's just a high speed strategic spatial puzzle.

[vale gyro]

That’s just what doom makes you do

On the surface, it’s violent

Once you open it, it just does not register

[inland hamlet]

[narrow condor]

Honestly, one of the things I really like about Doom is that it's full of hacks and stuff just thrown in which unexpectedly turned out to be incredibly fruitful for fanmade content.

It's a very idiosyncratic game that lends itself to abuse of its quirks and that's one of its charms. Newer games feel much more sterile and bland in comparison.

To give a (more intentional than incidental) example, Tom Hall, with his signature "gameplay over aesthetics" focus, insisted that teleporters be added to the game and fought the rest of the team over it, who thought it was too out of place. In the end, Tom won and it was a throw-in feature. Doom itself wouldn't be too different without teleporters (they were mainly used for technical convenience) but I can't imagine how modern maps would be without teleporters.

The more I learn about Doom's eccentric details, the more I love it.

[high path]

is this a copypaste

[broken heron]

I love how many behind the scenes stories there are about the development of Doom. I kind of wish that existed for all my favorite games.

[narrow condor]

In retrospect, it is one of the most well-documented games out there.

So many books written about it.

[high path]

wait till you hear the one about the soundtrack OOOOOOHHHH

[fair vigil]

[hoary ether]

[ornate vortex]

I swear about a third of doom's soundtrack is stolen riffs

The custom midis tho are amazing

[hexed escarp]

Wait so is sigil 2 gonna be an episode 6?

Or is it gonna be another episode 5

[prime lava]

sigil 2 is a full megawad

[spice radish]

I like Doom 1’s soundtrack but glad they took a more unique turn for Doom II

[vast reef]

yep! kinda like devil daggers and quake too, normally they're lovecraftian and pretty creepy but that wears off when you're focusing on doing well in-game

[ornate vortex]

i actually think ultimate doom has a better soundtrack compared to doom II. Since with Doom II it constantly overuses blues to the point it kinda annoys me. Plus it’s less adrenaline inducing

[vast reef]

i use the doom 2 OST to study

[ornate vortex]

Ultimate Doom does have a lot of stolen riffs and it overuses a lot of songs, so I get why it’s least preferred

[vast reef]

generally though i do prefer ultimate doom

with a few exceptions

[ornate vortex]

There’s one song in ultimate doom i don’t like and it’s “Demons on the prey”, only because it’s used 4 TIMES

[high path]

different times, people weren't so gun-ho about copyright.

[hexed escarp]

No he said on Twitter it's gonna be another 9 level doom 1 wad

He said he is working on a 32 level doom 2 megawad tho

[prime lava]

oh ok

I remember the first news being that it was 32 maps for doom ii

[hexed escarp]

Yeah

He made an announcement recently talking about it

[slim willow]

Hyped for more great Doom 1 content

[hexed escarp]

i just wonder if its gonna be episode 6 or a new episode 5

[jolly sundial]

[karmic turret]

yes

[hoary ether]

[finite crag]

Lore friendly doom wads? Anyone?

[patent robin]

@finite crag If you want to pull your hair out of anger then Plutonia, and if you want to get bored very fast play TNT evolution, I don't know if they even have lore but I think they are lore friendly, I don't usually put custom wads or mods into any game, so I could be wrong

[slim willow]

i played plutonia and only got angry zero times

[azure nimbus]

the difficulty of plutonia is overestimated relative to other wads since far more inexperienced players play it relative to other stuff.

[opal falcon]

I need to get back to Hell on Earth.

I've been meaning to for a while, but the problem is that I have a life.

Haha.

It just makes it hard at times to want to play this pile of video games I have.

[dapper flint]

Solo net plutonia is a better time

[slim willow]

The spider in map 1 is just so good

[finite crag]

I guess plutonia is still tough for new players, but also fun

I guess you can compare it to those harder expansion packs of doom eternal

[atomic dust]

TNT gets a lot of hate, but I enjoyed most of its first half

the maps are well designed and I honestly have fun killing the hordes of Zombies

except Stronghold. Oh man, I fucking hate it

it was so confusing, probably one of THE most confusing official Classic Doom levels after Downtown and Citadel

[vast reef]

i commonly hear that bobby prince was also a lawyer

which is why he knew how much of a song he was allowed to use

only with mods

doom 1 isn't balanced for the SSG (basic logic considering the SSG debuted in doom 2)

[finite crag]

it's mostly the maps around map 20 that everyone despises

I enjoy most of the total packages of official doom wads but every wad has their own shitty set of maps

and tnt by far takes the cake for me

[broken heron]

TNT is kind of weird in that almost everyone agrees it's a mixed bag but everyone has a different idea of which maps are the good ones. Except habitat. No one likes habitat.

[finite crag]

I think a universally liked map is map 31
and most people dislike 20-23

[slim willow]

Even 31 isn't without the TNT stench. The key being set to multiplayer only. 🤦‍♂️

You can thank id for just, not taking their patch and fixing it until the id Anthology version of the wad.

[vital knoll]

Is Final Doom not canon? I’ve played both and Plutonia is far better than TNT.

[vital knoll]

It’s not that bad, to be fair

[broken heron]

Personally I really dig 20 and 21, and Stronghold too. But 22 and 23 feel like they needed to be 10 levels sooner or in another game entirely.

[slim willow]

TNT is one of those wads that would have been better as a 12 map wad. something that ends on a "THE END" map where all you can do is run around and it has no exit.

[broken heron]

Only partway into TNT Revilution but already a major improvement

[azure nimbus]

I remember playing map15 for the first time and accidentally landing in the secret exit after a minute. then spending like an hour being lost trying to find the last two kills

[narrow condor]

You know what's mean? When they put pain elementals behind those 'broken' doors that only half open. If they 'see' you for long enough, by the time you find the way in there, the room is full of lost souls.

[finite crag]

Sounds like a beehive, lad

[stable furnace]

Hey everyone, bit of a noob question but does anyone know if the GamePass port of Classic Doom is based on the Xbox 360 port? Cheat codes don't seem to work when I type them in.

[dapper flint]

It's Canon now. All doom is including random wads

[pearl osprey]

HDDoom

without a D, is now canon?

[dapper flint]

Hugo didn't think that through

[spice radish]

I think it’s the Unity port. That port has a cheat menu I believe and that’s how cheats are activated.

[stable furnace]

I'll look into that, thanks

[spice radish]

You could also use a source port if you want

Might make things easier

[stable furnace]

As in a source engine port?

[spice radish]

Yeah. I personally recommend GZDoom or Crispy Doom.

There easy to set up and work pretty well

[pearl osprey]

No

Source port as in source code port (to modern systems) has nothing to do with the source engine

[stable furnace]

Ah ok, thanks for clarifying. I was asking to make sure I know which usage of "source" was being referred to.

[pearl osprey]

The default port that ships with gamepass (Unity port) should be good enough to play the game as intended and enjoy it

Once you reach the point where want to mod or customize the game more later down the line then you consider a source port

[stable furnace]

Sure thing, and thanks for the advice. I did find the cheat menu for some practice runs while I refamiliarize myself with the game after not being able to play since high school over a decade ago

[pearl osprey]

For example:Source ports like Crispy Doom and Chocolate Doom keep the game as close to original, GZDoom allows for endless modding, DSDADoom is specifically for speedrunning etc...

[stable furnace]

I'll try and find a source port too, I'm interested in modding to help me learn a few things about my current career in technology like coding and programming.

[pearl osprey]

Alright, hope you enjoy doom!

[stable furnace]

Oh I love it, it was one of my favorite games growing up

Thanks again for the advice

[finite crag]

no

[dapper flint]

Yes

Great response by the way

So is doom 3. Eat it

Just so we re clear I'm joking and making fun of Hugo when he changes up lore

[hollow current]

yummy

[finite crag]

Well I have no problem with Doom 3

But dont tell me UAC labs is canaon lol

[hollow current]

isnt that the one made by the school shooter

[finite crag]

Yes

[dapper flint]

Until we get an official lore book we re just going to go off of what Hugo randomly says from time to time

[craggy bone]

All wads can't be canon, because some wads are literally impossible to beat (ie. they don't have an exit)

wait wait

headcanon. The temple doomguy is trapped in before 2016 is one of those wads

[slim willow]

i am wad

[finite crag]

wad

[slim willow]

SWISS.WAD

[finite crag]

opinions on eviternity?

[dapper flint]

Fun. Pretty damn good. Skip the map dehydration because it's ass

[mellow matrix]

Lost Souls die in one shotgun shot so it's a 10/10

[dapper flint]

Unless you enjoy long slogs

[dapper flint]

True

[finite crag]

Very very epic. Some maps have a par time of over an hour. Great design. Great music.

[slim willow]

I'm personally not a fan of the hour long maps.

[finite crag]

Especially the ones that are only meant to last 5 minutes

Looking at you, map 15

[slim willow]

the evternity wad has a couple that are meant to last 2 hours

[finite crag]

That’s insanity lol

[azure nimbus]

I only remember one map in eviternity being a marathon

[dapper flint]

There's 2

The secret level is fun though

[azure nimbus]

oh yeah lol. forgot about Anagnorisis

[finite crag]

Is it long for a reason? Or just to be hard

[azure nimbus]

So anagnorisis and dehydration are lengthy for different reasons

Dehydration is, as its name implies, a grind, a drought. It is a grueling hour long slog by design with few arena fights. It's all about tredging forward. I think it's good and one of the few maps to accomplish that gameplay style well. Gougaru hates it though. Anagnorisis is a massive massive level with a dozen secrets(and real secrets. not double counted ones) that opens up in many different ways depending on the order you tackle weapons and keys that culminates in a mountain climb into a central core arena fight

[dapper flint]

The core arena fight alone. Yum

[slim willow]

map 32 is sexy

[dapper flint]

Its just all around beautiful. The mix of tech and earth

[finite crag]

I’ve only got access to whatever they add to the Xbox ports

[dapper flint]

Then you're basically limited to wads that are limit removing and vanilla

No boom stuff

[finite crag]

It’s got the final doom stuff, Sigil, and maybe 6 or 7 community created ones

[azure nimbus]

do consider spending the $5 on doom2.wad on your pc so you have access to everything

[narrow condor]

Monster counts are so deceiving when you're going in blind. I figured this would be a brief intermission map since there were only 51 monsters. They were all archviles.

[azure nimbus]

NoSp2map16 is the biggest map I've played with 13000 monsters. it takes over an hour.

[finite crag]

I’ve wondered how certain wads get chosen for the Xbox. Is there a deal with Microsoft or something?

[narrow condor]

You mean Sewers and Betray?

As far as I can tell, they were both maps originally made by Doom 3's Xbox porters when they were younger, just thrown in.

I don't know if id knew about them at the time but all I know is that they're both pretty mediocre maps.

[turbid wadi]

Hello

So, i got a little problem with the GZDOOM engine and i wanna see if anyone can help me

basically, when i started playing mods with GZ, all seemed good, no lag, or anything, but then, it got laggier and laggier, is there any configurations to make it less laggy or smooth?

[dapper flint]

What rendering are you using

You most likely need to change some things up turn some things off if your pc isn't up yo snuff

[turbid wadi]

Hardware accelerated

[dapper flint]

Are you using Vulkan

[turbid wadi]

No im using open gl

[dapper flint]

Try switching to vulkan and restarting

[turbid wadi]

Alr

It feels way more smooth

thanks! but let me see also real quick if mods also feel smooth

Omg, thank you so much

it has no lag, and feels smooth to play

[dapper flint]

No worries

[finite crag]

same

i already hate when i complete a vanilla doom map in 22 minutes

[finite crag]

Dehydration: and then you get one shot by that tp'ing afrit

truly regretted doing that map without saves

[azure nimbus]

afrit? No afrits in eviternity

do you mean the annihlator in the water tunnel

[craggy bone]

Why would you do Dehydration without saves good god

Surely you'd reach 30m and think "this is an exception"

[azure nimbus]

nah

[hidden basin]

Why not

[finite crag]

yeh sorry

[azure nimbus]

that might be the hardest part

[dapper flint]

It's not hard at all the fights give you plenty of room even the last one if you rush one side first. The issue is the fights are paint dry boring with long pauses of walking around doing nothing hitting switches for 9 minutes and then another fight with 5 enemies and repeat for an hour. Pure ass crack

[slim willow]

The only map I think that does the "long map with lighter fights" really well is Misri Halek.

[narrow condor]

People often talk about the most imitated/homaged Doom maps (like Downtown and Dead Simple) but what are the most referenced fanmade maps?

AV's Hillside Siege first comes to my mind, with Cliffside Siege in SoD and Seaside Siege in Overboard.

[eager oracle]

I recently completed knee deep in the dead, feeling good.

[finite crag]

The book or the episode lad? Because one feels much better than the other, this I can assure you my friend

[finite crag]

how do I mix doom mods together?

[turbid wadi]

just select the both

and put it on the engine

[vast reef]

remembering eviternity, i was stunned at its 120+ mb size

but when you consider how much new textures it has, it's understandable

what's the biggest mapset wad you guys have encountered?

[spice radish]

Download ZDL. It makes combining WADs and mods together stupid easy.

[vast reef]

lmfao

ngl would be funnier with a shaky camera and a dinky monitor

[dapper flint]

Tnt

[eager oracle]

Episode.

[slim willow]

Doubt many are reading the book these days

[spice radish]

Map 11

[warped jungle]

Got doom rpg working on my phone, pretty cool :)

[wicked socket]

how pls tell me

[pale bane]

[cloud talon]

A little trolling

[wicked socket]

🦶

[sturdy laurel]

I'm interested in this.

[finite crag]

Getting ready to dive in to the second half of Doom 2

[opal falcon]

I need to do that, too.

Honestly, I find it less difficult than the original game.

For the most part.

[finite crag]

I wasn’t blown away by the first half, but I wanna press on

[opal falcon]

I really want to start the 2016 game.

But I also want to complete the rest of the series first.

Then move on to 2016 and Eternal.

I'm just happy I got the whole series for less than thirty dollars.

[dapper flint]

Have an epic time !

[opal falcon]

Once I have the time, I definitely plan to.

[zenith berry]

https://twitter.com/GreenL3gacy/status/1604310488292130816?s=20&t=IcMb-XtMytZTJmiryjonrQ
Total DOOM sorcery

GreenL3gacy (@GreenL3gacy)

#pixelart #indiegame #indiedev #gamedev #gzdoom #アクションゲーム #ゲーム開発 #ゲーム制作
People want to know my game is powered by the Gzdoom engine and how it works. So here are some screenshots that I'm using Ultimate doom builder

Twitter · Dec 18, 2022, 3:00 AM

[narrow condor]

Wow, a side-scroller?

[zenith berry]

Yes. In GZDoom.

Even if opened on GZDoom Builder it still does not look like you are creating a DOOM map.

I guess having completely original textures support that.

[vast reef]

is it wrong for me to not be surprised

[zenith berry]

There is absolutely no DOOM textures used, for obvious reasons.

[vast reef]

like

GZDoom's incredibly versatile

[zenith berry]

Indeed, but I have never seen anyone using the engine to build a sidescroller. Correct me if I am wrong.

[vast reef]

you can do third-person stuff, a sidescroller isn't hard to imagine

[vast reef]

this is also the first time i've seen it, it's very interesting

[vast reef]

of course i still respect the detailed knowledge of the engine that went into this project

[zenith berry]

That's what makes it wow.

[vast reef]

it looks sick

[zenith berry]

With the versality of GZDoom, somebody could have also redone Commander Keen in its sidescrolling glory with the engine. And yes I know that there's a 3D Commander Keen TC for GZDoom.

[candid birch]

Which one we talking? 1-3 or 4-6?

[finite crag]

Hi people, I have a question about setting up a server in doom2, namely my server is almost working but when I click "set up a server" there is a window to open doom2 hell on earth (the whole thing happens via GZdoom, zandronum and doomseeker) there is a console and at the bottom waiting for players 1/2 and I don't know what to do next if anyone is willing to help me I will be very grateful

[dark gale]

hello

[finite crag]

hi

[finite crag]

Hi

[dark gale]

[spice radish]

It’s honestly incredible. I was blown away when I saw mods like Total Chaos. And Selaco looks incredible.

Also that Fallout mod being made in GZDoom as well looks insane

[vocal summit]

the forestale (i think) came out before zscript was even that versatile

[finite crag]

Really? Didn't know there's a fallout mod being made

[spice radish]

Yeah here’s the trailer looks super promising
https://youtu.be/FMjJM9HAqqk

[finite crag]

Oh I think I've seen this before!

Yeah I have.. pretty cool!

[zenith berry]

What’s interesting that it is based from a render on how the first Fallout would have looked like if it’s already an FPS, also made by the same artist/dev.

This TC is bringing that to life.

[finite crag]

Incredibly versatile but terribly optimized :p

Love it when I get less fps in GZdoom mods than in Doom eternal

[lofty wyvern]

I’ve been doing some trophy hunting for ‘93 Doom on the ps4 and I’ve finally gotten to the point where the only one I need left is the coop nightmare run trophy “not so bad”. Is it still doable to get the trophy alone even after they added the faster enemies in that update way back or should I try finding people regardless?

[narrow condor]

I'm quite enjoying Nostalgia so far.

A love letter to the naïveté of '90s mapping style, done with the amenities of modern mapping tricks.

[azure nimbus]

yes it's doable. you're allowed to use respawning, continuous play(not pistol start) and don't need episode 4 so it is in fact not so bad

[vast reef]

this honestly

there are better multi-purpose game engines

one of my goals at some point is to refactor GZDoom to run more efficiently

[pearl osprey]

Too huge to refactor

[narrow condor]

Can always refactor individual elements though!

[pearl osprey]

I think a good approach would be to port doom to an existing modern efficient engine

But then you wouldn't have ZDoom mods hm

You could perhaps only refactor the renderer

[vestal flare]

revenants are so fucking ridiculous lmao their rockets can track way too well

[dapper flint]

They're easy to move around just need practice

[azure nimbus]

nah man they're right revs are cracked

[dapper flint]

They mean 1 Rev not 178 like you're used to hahaha

[vestal flare]

I've fought plenty of them but they're always still frustrating

especially in firefights

[dapper flint]

I've never been frustrated by them. Just go into the mindset here they are then deal with them mode. Business as usual

[pearl osprey]

childhood is when you hate the demons, adulthood is when you realize each monster serves an important role

[tulip garden]

If u struggle with a revenant i wouldn't recommend playing plutonia
Revenants take The role of imps in those levels

[azure nimbus]

kommander keen

[tulip garden]

Aka bj blazcowicz II

[spice radish]

Fuck Plutonia

Especially map 11

[azure nimbus]

only cuz map11 is easy to get lost in -- but I think you'll come back to it one day and find map11 much easier than you remember

[spice radish]

How tf did Dario Casali get a job at Valve

[azure nimbus]

probably because plutonia is good, especially lined up beside other options in the 90s

[spice radish]

Probably I just hate Classic Archviles so much.

[azure nimbus]

do your best to keep it to 1 vile at a time and they'll go down easily enough. It's all about holding your ground- -not letting them push you into more viles

[spice radish]

I don’t actually hate Plutonia either. I can realize a good map set and I’m just having a skill issue

[tulip garden]

All iterations of Arch viles suck
Doesn't matter The game

[spice radish]

Doom 3 has the easiest Archvile imo

[tulip garden]

Cuz y can kill it with The soul cube

[azure nimbus]

doom3's vile is a visual design disaster though. looks so much like the rev in that game

DE's viles are only relevant if you decide not to use superweapons and no icebomb. Otherwise, they're kinda a joke

doom2 does such a good job with the bfg9k being powerful but not gamebreaking which means the higher tier enemies play well

[tulip garden]

If it weren't for The flaming hands i would confuse them with imps with how dark The game usually is

[spice radish]

I don’t think you have the Soul Cube during the first Archvile encounter

[tulip garden]

U have The bfg tho
I think...
And it's not a waste since u lose it anyway once u go to hell

[azure nimbus]

it's not a waste cuz it's an entire vile

[slim willow]

indeed. lets fuck plutonia 🤤

[rich sphinx]

woah!

[spice radish]

Revenant monster closets 🤤

[halcyon willow]

Thw optimisation is fine. It's what people make that's the issue

See: mods that cram as many poorly coded effects in as possible

[spice radish]

Doom mods are cool but I despise when I have to download a million different Brutal Doom add ons for the “intended experience”

[vocal summit]

the optimization is good enough

[slim willow]

repeating code for 10000 lines is GZDoom's fault for not running well!!!!

[jolly dagger]

Hi, in GZDoom i have my .zds files in ~/.config/gzdoom which is the default directory. However, when i open GZDoom with classic doom, it says i have no save files

[jolly dagger]

any help?

[narrow condor]

Have you updated it recently?

And do you have a save_dir value set in gzdoom.ini?

If you did update it recently and haven't changed your save destination, it's most likely because of the new structuring GZDoom uses for separating savegames by iwads. eg my save_dir is ~/.config/gzdoom/saves, which means that if I save a game on DOOM2.WAD, it gets saved in ~/.config/gzdoom/saves/doom.id.doom2.commercial.

[dapper flint]

Yeah it's mentioned in the update itself that your saved data is moved

[finite crag]

That is my favourite classic doom level

[slim willow]

Agreed

Hunted hate is sinful in this home

[halcyon willow]

You choose to load brutal doom. It's about as far from the intended experience as you can possibly get

[ornate vortex]

why is there so much hate for Hunted? 😭

I thought it was a pretty cool gimmick

and it’s good practice for taking on arch viles

even going down used this gimmick in one of its maps

[worldly lintel]

gave me nightmares as a child

[narrow condor]

I love gimmicky maps — especially those with replay value.

[azure nimbus]

I used pl31 a lot for cyber practice. gimmick levels can be useful training areas

[ornate vortex]

Cyberden is good for cyberdemon practice, but the map itself is pretty stupid

[warped jungle]

I need to play through plutonia without savescumming sooner or later

Or at least not saving every step I take where I'm not dead yet

[royal heron]

Those archviles behind the fake wall scared the shit outta me the first time I played the level

I was tryna look everywhere to see where the fuck I was being attacked from lol

Because the flame sprite wasn't even visible on me but I was still taking damage

[finite crag]

What, like 30 years ago, lad?

[pearl osprey]

Doom isn't 30 years old yet...

[finite crag]

You know what I meant, laddie.

[dapper flint]

Start with just saving after bigger fights

[vast reef]

isn't that the unity port

[vast reef]

also this

[vast reef]

yeah, but it gets laggy with openGL on my computer (not with vulkan or GLES though)

like, i get shit FPS even in vanilla

[pearl osprey]

Not exactly

Unity port uses unity just as a wrapper

[vast reef]

oh

[pearl osprey]

it's still using the original 1993 code

[vast reef]

ahhhh that's why the original bugs are there

i thought they deliberately programmed those in

[dapper flint]

https://youtu.be/PTfMWAhT3m4

[jolly dagger]

yes

[jolly dagger]

My save_dir is set to save_dir=/home/username/.config/gzdoom but they still wont show

[vast reef]

what's the best keyboard control setup you guys have used or at least seen?

i lost my mouse

[slim willow]

WASD normally, left key turns left, right key turns right, up or down key shoot.

[true flax]

How do I access my demos from my runs?

[pearl osprey]

-playdemo demoname

[true flax]

Thx

[vast reef]

i assume space is interact

[vast reef]

are you the real one

[swift thunder]

Hi

[stiff phoenix]

Pow

[ionic ivy]

Brutal Doom be like:
FUCK YOURSELF
GET OFF SCUM
GO FUCK YOURSELF

[charred tide]

https://youtube.com/shorts/X1LzKPAt5ow?feature=share

[fringe zephyr]

Uh💀

[ornate vortex]

meatball

[barren canyon]

Any of y’all know that room on e3m2

I’m stuck in it and I can’t get out

[azure nimbus]

try clicking the walls

[barren canyon]

I tried that

I wall humped every wall in the room

[azure nimbus]

you can send me a screenshot. I'm looking for a way to get stuck in e3m2 and can't find it --- nope, found it

you might be stuck unfortunately. I can't find a way out

[azure nimbus]

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/E3M2:_Slough_of_Despair_(Doom). you're stuck

[woeful hinge]

pro move

it’s not a cool caco it’s cool meatball

[finite crag]

Does anyone have this? I’m thinking about buying it because I want a physical copy but I wanted to know opinions on it should I get it?

It won’t let me share the link but it’s the “Doom: The Classics Collection - PlayStation 4” by limited run it’s like $40 at Best Buy

[azure nimbus]

I'd highly recommend doom2 for pc so that you can play community made content like sunlust or valiant

[spice hornet]

And what if you’re to broke for a pc

[azure nimbus]

what are you using discord on. If it's a laptop, it can even complex boom levels no problem

[spice hornet]

I’m using discord on my phone

[azure nimbus]

well. Even then, it's probably worth buying a cheap pc but if that's not possible right now, sure, get the game on ps4. It's still a lot of content since you'll get doom1, doom2 ,plutonia, tnt, btsxe1+e2, sigil, deathless, earthless, no end in sight, syringe,..

[spice hornet]

Okay

[tulip garden]

Just got softlocked in dead simple
Now i'm playing Master levels to vent

[azure nimbus]

killed the last arachnos with the same rocket/at the same time?

[pearl osprey]

That's like jumping in front of a bus because a bicycle hit you

[tulip garden]

I think i did
The platform to The switch that ends The level didn't lower so i was stuck

[azure nimbus]

the platform doesn't lower. Instead, another step rises to help you up. if multiple of the final arachnotrons are killed simultaneously, they all trigger the step to rise. But if that happens, it's too high to climb.

[tulip garden]

Well that explains it at least

[azure nimbus]

doing some testing, the map won't break when they die on the same frame. It breaks if there is a very slight delay. I honestly couldn't say why. Maybe there is a delay between when the arachno is considered dead and when the tag 667 is called

[stark quartz]

Is it just me or is the icon of sin really hard to kill, I can never tell if my rockets are actually doing damage, if I have to hit specifically the Brain or if I can hit just right above it and the explosion will still damage him

[broken heron]

It's hard, but with practice the timing intuitively clicks and becomes easy

[vivid vine]

Your rockets aren't hitting him anyway, only the splash. And he cries out in pain when hit.

Usually only takes 3

[stark quartz]

So is it like I have to shoot at a specific time as the platform I’m on is rising up to hit his brain (but not at the very top cause it misses him)

Now I’m curious, if it’s splash damage, would Bfg do anything?

[narrow condor]

Nope. Only the rockets.

[pearl osprey]

No, the BFG doesn't have splash damage

[narrow condor]

You can also shoot as you're jumping down but it's harder to time well.

[azure nimbus]

try using a crosshair. It helps a lot

[stark quartz]

Any way to enable it on console (mainly 2 and 64)

[azure nimbus]

"options" -> "gameplay" -> "crosshair"

[spice radish]

Got a question for you mod people. Whats a good way to edit and or create sprites? Also how would one import custom sprites into the game?

[slim willow]

I can't help with sprite making but you'll need Slade 3 Doom Editor for wad management.

[spice radish]

I have Slade 3

[slim willow]

Well I am zero help lmao

[spice bronze]

Now, I learned somewhere down the line that Classic Doom’s larger demons were sculpted before they were turned into sprites, like the Spider Mastermind, Mancubus, Barons of Hell, and presumably the Cyberdemon. What I wonder (but somehow doubt) is if the Cacodemons were sculpted beforehand

[pearl osprey]

Slade 3 is what you use to import and export textures, but you also need any photo editing application to modify the sprites

One photo editing app that I found to be great for pixel art (and is also free) is paint NET

[spice bronze]

I wonder how much an original shareware file of Doom costs these days

[spice radish]

I'll check it out! Thanks for the reply

[spice radish]

Found a floppy disk that supposedly has the shareware version of Doom on it for $400 on ebay

Found another for $350

and another for $640

That last one is on sale and the original price is $800

[spice bronze]

Neato, probably a heck of a collectors item in better conditions

[spice radish]

Those last 2 where "Titanium Sealed" whatever that means

[spice bronze]

Probably some grading term used to artificially inflate value, idk

I wonder if people ever figured out where the original Revenant wakeup scream came from or if they’ve tried asking Bobby Prince about where it came from

[spice radish]

Considering pretty much all of Classic Dooms sounds are stock sounds that are free to use. It probably came from there

Now that I think about it. I’m pretty sure all of Classic Dooms sounds aren’t made originally. The sound effects are taken from a sound library and the soundtrack is just riffs from Metallica and Slayer songs

[spice bronze]

They do take a lot of metal riffs from the era but not all of it is just ripped, plus some of the much more mundane sound effects like picking up health and ammo is theorized to have been made by Bobby himself

And the statement is incorrect anyway cause you’re not gonna find “To win the game you must kill me, John Romero” played backwards in a stock sound library

Also I wonder which version of Doom the Switch release runs, cause it’s ported by Nerve Software I think, and has things like Plutonia and TNT tacked on there

[spice radish]

Well yeah. Doom II itself uses way more sounds that where made uniquely for the game

[spice radish]

Like the engine model? It runs off the Unity port just like the modern PC, Xbox, and PlayStation releases

[spice bronze]

I suppose it wouldn’t be something proper like Ultimate Doom or Final Doom if it’s released on such modern consoles

[ornate vortex]

UV-Maxing Comatose has proven way harder than I thought.
I'm struggling to find a consistent route in getting secrets and kills, since all the monsters are invisible. Plus ammo management is crucial to getting a good time, and basically majority of weapons are behind secrets.
I've been thinking of using berserk for a lot of the enemies since you can easily get it at the start, and then trying to go for basically all the keys and most of the weapons. Other than that, coming up with a strat has been mostly alien since i'm the only person to ever do something as stupid as this

[broken heron]

If I remember correctly, they were drawn based on a DnD monster called the astral dreadnought

[rugged tangle]

Doom is pretty cool, until it's not

Merry Christmas

[dapper flint]

That's the one

[spice bronze]

Oh yeah that’s right

[stark pecan]

Help I can’t open the door in the Xbox remake

Idk what’s happening

Nvm

[stark quartz]

LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOO

Just beat inferno for the first time

[azure nimbus]

rip spooderdemon

[finite crag]

That jerk

[stark pecan]

What jerk

[north nebula]

anyone know why when i run ultimate doom builder everything’s good until i make the map on screen it says “unable to find sprite lump” with e.g “used by actor super shotgun” any idea how to fix it/ what it is???

idk where to ask this lol

[dapper flint]

If you look below this page you'll find classic doom maps and mods. They can help there

[north nebula]

alr thnx

[coral sentinel]

Nice now do it again and again till you realize you haven't bathed in a week and haven't left the house in two months. That's how I didn't at least

[finite crag]

can you do multiplayer for doom 1 steam

[azure nimbus]

local only on steam, but with woof, zandronum, odemax, zdaemon, you can play multiplayer online. All those ports are free granted that you have the doom iwad which you do if you have the game on steam

[spice bronze]

I don’t like Thy Flesh Consumed very much

[slim willow]

e4 has e4m2 and e4m6 at least

[vale gyro]

Chocolate and Crispy can also do multiplayer

[ornate vortex]

Played through comatose for the third time casually, managed to beat it within 56 minutes

I think I can navigate a route, now that i mostly know all the secret locations

One more playthrough and then I can start practice

[narrow condor]

Godspeed!

[ornate vortex]

under 1 hour for casual was impressive for me (when I mean casual, I do save for some parts)

The only problem with this map is that I feel as if there will be some runs where I have all secrets and then some monsters that have ran off and hidden

and that does become a big problem, since you can’t hear their roaming sound

so in other words, if I miss a monster or two in the final minutes of the run, im screwed

it’s most likely a restart

completing this map on uv-max speedrun would be a very impressive milestone for me

[random crescent]

Hey guys I'm introducing a friend to old doom and we are playing through the games based on release date with the exception of episode 4 which we did first. After we finish Plutonia we are going to start playing community wads so he can see the progression of level design. I was wondering if any of you had a recommended list of wads starting with older releases going up to the more modern spectacular stuff.

[azure nimbus]

Momento Mori, alien vendetta, scythe2, speed of doom, heartland/valiant(anything by skillsaw really), sunlust(haste is probably better for such a huge project cuz sunlust is long), fractured worlds. These are ordered by release date, and they also happen to be approximately ordered by difficulty

[ornate vortex]

eviternity too

it’s a later release btw

forgot to mention that

[azure nimbus]

There really is so much new content though. I like sunlust and fractured worlds and flotsam and haste, but lots of people don't. They play stuff like pirate doom or enter the mapwich. I don't want to act like 90s design was unified by any means, but there is definitely a lot a lot of options for newer stuff

Maybe a Gz doom player would start on batman doom instead of Alien Vendeeta.

[random crescent]

Sweet thanks a lot that'll give us a jumping point I don't want to do the fancy stuff until the end because showing him those wads first might spoil the older ones for him

[ornate vortex]

and then there’s those who enter the wormhole of brutal doom but we don’t talk about thaf

[random crescent]

We are doing chocolate doom

I will switch us to zandronum for the later stuff

Brutal doom is on the list but not until much later

It ruins most intended design in wads I think

[ornate vortex]

Brutal doom is as far from classic doom as it gets

[azure nimbus]

Choco is going to limit a lot of what you can play. Rowdy Rudy and BTSX are fully vanilla compatable though

[ornate vortex]

yes, it does

A lot of modern wads are boom compatible

[random crescent]

Prboom+? That's my usual go to

I used that for Sunlust okay

Not sure about the multiplayer aspect of it though

[azure nimbus]

A new version of woof released recently. I think that's a popular choice for coop

[random crescent]

It's weird getting somebody into classic doom for the first time but it's fun to see how people react to it

We just finished doom 2 and his reaction to barrels of fun was hilarious

[azure nimbus]

pain elemental gaming

[random crescent]

I'm gonna make him solo go2it

I'm going to keep him away from things like hell revealed I don't particularly consider one and two very good

Although maybe they should get the exposure I don't know

[azure nimbus]

if you want to show off one map or whatever, it might be good for contrasting but that seems like a good idea

[random crescent]

Yeah maybe I'll load some of the maps toward the end so he can get an idea of it. I like slaughter maps but I don't save scum and if a map is built around that I don't play it

Thanks for the suggestions guys I'm made a note file on my phone and will reference it when it's time it's gonna be great going through the classics

[dapper flint]

Classic doom*

[random crescent]

I'm 35 and aging fast anything I played when I was young is old now.

Old final fantasy old Metroid/Zelda etc

It's all timeless I get what you're saying

[broken heron]

Just got into community megawads myself after finishing Final Doom. So far having a great time with TNT Revilution.

[random crescent]

Yeah it's one of the highest rated wads for sure

[dapper flint]

Hahahaha feel ya. It's just referred to as a classic. Much like a 1976 firebird is a classic car not a old car

[broken heron]

Just finished Transduction from TNTR and it might just be my favorite Doom level yet

[low karma]

this is doom one chat right

[finite crag]

Yup

Anything related to Doom 1 and 2

[low karma]

okay cool

so I gots a question

since the campaign doesn't run in a direct story line like you just drop in like in something like god of war what order do I play the single player doom 1 in and is there any story to get from just the first game or do I have to look into the lore on youtube

[slim willow]

You just play episode after episode. Knee Deep -> Shores -> Inferno -> Thy Flesh

[low karma]

okay and how do I get story out of doom 1 or is there not much to get?

[slim willow]

At the end of each episode there is a story dump

[finite crag]

It’s pretty minimal

[slim willow]

True

[finite crag]

I guess the episodes have “themes” but that’s stretching it

[slim willow]

Basically, you are the Doom man and your marine buddies are fucking dead and oh shit there are demons and oh wow Doom man has a gun.

[finite crag]

Hell invaded, you shoot demons. The end.

[slim willow]

I hate to go nerd mode but each episode does feel different. At least to me.

[low karma]

okay sweet thanks

[finite crag]

I’d say yes when it comes to level design. When it comes to plot, it’s all pretty irrelevant

[low karma]

and what do the secrets mean should I be lookin out for em or do they have little impact on anything

also trying to 100% the game

[slim willow]

You get nothing for 100%

It's just for fun really

[finite crag]

Just the chicks

[slim willow]

I have 100% completed Doom 1 numerous times and all I got were food eaters in my dms.

[finite crag]

What a ripoff!

[low karma]

wait

so there's no achievements in doom 93?

[slim willow]

What version you playing

Like what console

[finite crag]

Xbox port has achievements

[slim willow]

Because Xbox and Playstation have them

I don't think 100% all maps is one of em. I could be mistaken as I play with source ports and shit.

[finite crag]

It’s mostly just for finishing episodes and stuff

Secrets are mostly just extra ammo and stuff isn’t it?

I stumbled across a few of them, but most of them I completely missed

[slim willow]

Basically

[stark quartz]

Any doom 2 levels with the Bfg in em past level 8?

[slim willow]

10

[finite crag]

I’m gonna do 16-30 eventually

[shrewd hull]

Does anyone know if I’ll still get steam achievement’s if I enable cheats on Doom 1993?

[low karma]

same for doom 2?

[slim willow]

basically

[azure nimbus]

so the actual games have very limited story. There is a small amount in handbooks and stuff. Ignore the snes manual though. Be careful about a lot of lore youtubers though. They might yaknow, make stuff up. Secrets are not required for achievements. Finding them sometimes gives you helpful items though.

[azure nimbus]

enabling cheats disables achievements. However, opening a new game or loading a save where cheats are inactive will re-enable achievements

[shrewd hull]

Thanks! I think I am going to restart since I only beat the first 4 or 5 parts and not use cheats. It does not feel right using them lol.

[azure nimbus]

the doomwiki has locations for the bfg for every level. But like they said, map08, 09, 10,11,12,13,15,16,17,18,20,23,24,27,28,30, 31,32 are the levels with bfg by my memory

[low karma]

Do the newer ones have more story?

[broken heron]

Yes, though it's essentially a fleshed out version of the original story

[dapper flint]

Plutonias story is still the best

[azure nimbus]

not if you don't pay attention 😎 doom2016 almost barely makes sense but doom eternal lore is a mess

[low karma]

so I should just play the end of each episode to get the scenes then jump to the next game?

[narrow condor]

You can read the text on Doom Wiki without bothering to play.

I don't think anyone plays Doom for the plot.

Then again, people made films and cartoons of games like Tetris and Pac-Man, so what do I know.

[dapper flint]

You really need to read some fantasy some day. That'll show you what confusing lore actually is lol

[halcyon willow]

steven erkison would like a word

[coral sentinel]

Some can set you up to finish faster

[narrow condor]

Secrets can be used in more creative ways, like offering shortcuts or letting you take down monsters in a strategic position in advance to make a future fight easier.

But those are few and far between.

[azure nimbus]

or give extra content

[agile junco]

Hey I'm in E1 M4 and i accidentally used both the bio suits and i can't figure out how to get to the yellow key. Any pointers?

[spice radish]

You might just have to make a run for it if you wasted both rad suits

[agile junco]

Yea but the prob is i know i have to get ver the nukage pool and like get on this longer but the only way to do that would to get in and i keep dying

[azure nimbus]

you don't need any rad suits for the yellow key lol. It's accessed through the maze(through the blue door). If you insist however, it is possible to jump to a ledge on the wall near the YK over the sludge. it's hard jump but doable

[agile junco]

Okay sounds good thank you

[finite crag]

Sre there any good WADs that have a crusade theme?

[agile junco]

Wtf is a wad

[spice radish]

Old Doom games are stored in a .WAD file type. So whenever someone asks about WADs there talking about any good custom level packs or mods to play

[azure nimbus]

Or at least the assets: sprites, text, textures,levels, sounds, music. The executable is not part of the wad

[agile junco]

Okay thank man

[spice bronze]

WAD apparently stands for Where’s All the Data

[agile junco]

Or What Are you Doing in my swamp!,

*?

[warped jungle]

Playing through doom 2 on ultra violence +

Sucks and is super frustrating (i love it)

[dapper flint]

Good old plus

[slim willow]

It's ok plus is fun!!

[ornate vortex]

Sounds a lot better than Comatose UV-Max

[ornate vortex]

Speaking of which, I now have news about that

I managed to beat Comatose casually in 42 minutes

So now I am very certain I am ready to start actual attempts this map

I think I can very likely aim for sub 30

I have a specific route that I have very nearly memorised

I just need to be certain every enemy is killed in the area

because if I miss a couple then it’s most likely a reset

[azure nimbus]

I wonder if notes would help, saying how many kills you need per section

[agile junco]

I think it would be cool to be able to stick and write notes to yourself on the walls of maps.

[dapper flint]

That would be neat to see. Very cool

[vast reef]

why the fuck would you do that

????

not to mention you can't do that without console commands

playing doom for story is like going to mcdonald's to get sauce by scouring it off their burgers

[ornate vortex]

Yeah, that would really help

I could definitely try and find our how many kills are in each section

[low karma]

I didn’t know that before purchasing ya know but playing them I’m still finding enjoyment

[finite crag]

This was/has been a bit weird for me too, playing the older classic games. Just the way things were back then 😆

[low karma]

Yeah. “Press space to continue and just run over things you’d normally have to jump”

[finite crag]

What?! No cinematic cutscenes?

[spice radish]

That’s fine. Those 2 are fantastic games

[finite crag]

Hey, playing any Doom is awesome

[finite crag]

Plutonia is awesome

Probably the most consistently good official wad in the original engine

[finite crag]

Yeah true

[small spoke]

[spice bronze]

oh yeah how do I play the Doom or Wolfenstein RPGs

didn't the USMC make a Doom WAD in an attempt to use it to train soldiers?

Wait wasn't the guy who made the cover art for Classic Doom games also the dude who made art for first edition Dungeons & Dragons?

[dapper flint]

Don Ivan Punchatz created alot of Sci fi and movie art. Not sure about dungeons and dragons. His son helped create some classic demon models as well

D n d was an inspiration though for doom In general

[spice bronze]

Early in development they toyed with the idea of an Alien tie-in but dropped it for the sake of creative freedom

Maybe I'm mixing it up where they took the first edition Astral Dreadnought head as inspiration for the Cacodemon

[dapper flint]

The inspiration for doom came from a botched dnd game the id crew played where they unleashed hell through a gate/portal

[spice bronze]

yeah the RetroAhoy Doom video did a rather thorough analysis of Doom's stuff

[dapper flint]

Been years since I've seen that. Remembering it being good I think

[ornate vortex]

Only problem is that apparently it's malpractice if you have info right infront of you during the speedrun

That's why I find it best to just memorise it

that way it's not classified as cheating

anyways, just gonna bring up that sub 30 is 100% possible

I did my first attempt and died around 14 minutes, and I was well over halfway done (kills and secrets)

Actually so hyped for when I release this to the community

[azure nimbus]

you can have notes, as long as it isn't literally in the level I thought

[ornate vortex]

Oh, I thought using doomwiki during a map run was cheating

I mean, tbf they would never be able to tell

It's not like I need to even use doomwiki at this point

i've memorised where all the linedefs are that I need to cross, as well as all the 23 secrets in the level

since in Comatose, over half the enemies are ambush, and they teleport in once a linedef has been crossed

so it's definitely important to be aware of the linedefs in the case of 100% kills

[ornate vortex]

Oh yeah, forgot to mention I have started attempts for this run

[agile junco]

I meant for during practice so that when you do the Speedrun you turn the corners and out of instinct remember the notes and do the stuff

[ornate vortex]

oh, already did that i suppose, just without the notes being stuck