classic-doom

[tired dawn]

guys, when playing tower of hordes with eoa eternal, how do you get modification?

[vast reef]

join the EoA server 👍

[tired dawn]

how?

[vast reef]

hold on, i left it, gonna see if i can get a link off google

[cyan fjord]

does anyone want to talk about the history of doom

[dapper flint]

https://youtu.be/M05FJ9dLtP8

[cyan fjord]

?

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-laughing-american-the-kid-from-brooklyn-gif-20354348

POV:your stuck with the unity ports of doom

[slim willow]

true

[cyan fjord]

ive beat doom 2 20 times already cause i only have the unity ports

[dapper flint]

Ascend

[slim willow]

console

[dapper flint]

First time I went to pc classic was on a poop top probably cost 100 bucks at that point

Yeah 111 usd not bad

[hexed escarp]

How many of Jimmy's sigil tracks were made specifically for sigil

[dapper flint]

I asked him he said -- just two, those being the title and intermission tracks ("Lands of Ire" and "Big Guns")

[hexed escarp]

Ah ok

They fit so freaking well that I honestly couldn't tell

We're the Buckethead tracks made specifically for sigil?

[cyan fjord]

can someone help me set up gzdoom

@calm cradle can i have help setting up gzdoom from the command line

[hexed escarp]

What do you mean set up?

[cyan fjord]

im trying to have it run from the command line

or terminal

[dapper flint]

Yeah those were because I remember watching a documentary on it. Romero just emailed him and asked

[hexed escarp]

Really? I just saw a doom world post where someone said only Buckethead e5m1 was made for it

The rest were just preexisting tracks

[dapper flint]

I'm sure he just had tracks laying around

[hexed escarp]

If you look some of them are called part 2, part 6 ect

[hexed escarp]

Just run "cd path/to/gzdoom" and then run "gzdoom -iwad DOOM2.WAD -file MOD.pk3"

[cyan fjord]

dudes a real life npc

[hexed escarp]

Lol

Is that helpful tho?

[cyan fjord]

very

[hexed escarp]

Cool

[cyan fjord]

uh oh

[hexed escarp]

What

[cyan fjord]

you know your fucked when you type in a command and it says bash

[hexed escarp]

?

Send screenshot

[cyan fjord]

this is what i was greeted to when i put it in

-bash: cd: path/to/gzdoom: No such file or directory

[hexed escarp]

Bruh put the actual filepath where gzdoom is not path/to/gzdoom

[cyan fjord]

i just checked i didnt even have the file in the linux files smh'

enator can i call you so i can show my screen

[hexed escarp]

No I am at school

[cyan fjord]

you dont get thanksgiving break

[hexed escarp]

I do but it doesn't start until second half of Wednesday

Because my school is evil

[cyan fjord]

thats retarted

[hexed escarp]

Yeah

[cyan fjord]

what would i put for the file path cause i download the file then drag it to my linux files

[hexed escarp]

Idk how to get the filepath of a Linux folder

Is there a thing you can right click at the top of the file window to copy the path or smthn?

[cyan fjord]

it say go to file location

[hexed escarp]

Also idk what you mean by "my Linux files"

Click that

[cyan fjord]

im on a chromebook

[hexed escarp]

Oh can't help you there

I don't know if gzdoom even works on a Chromebook

I've never used one that isn't on the highest level of lockdown before

[cyan fjord]

its cause theres a special file on gzdoom called source code

[hexed escarp]

Oh, did you compile it?

[cyan fjord]

no

[hexed escarp]

You can't just run it from the source code if it's not compiled

And I wouldn't recommend trying to compile it if you don't know what you are doing

[cyan fjord]

how do you compile it

[hexed escarp]

I can't help you with that, compiling requires installing other tools and I have no clue how to do it on a Chromebook

[cyan fjord]

your making me think if i mess up conpiling the file my computers gonna turn into a russian bomb

[hexed escarp]

No but it's gonna take a lot of set up and screwing around to work properly

[cyan fjord]

ok well ill tell you how it goes

[pearl osprey]

Searching online shows chromebook allows you to run Debian 10, if that's the case all you have to do if follow GZDoom's compile instructions on linux

https://zdoom.org/wiki/Compile_GZDoom_on_Linux

[narrow condor]

Chromebooks run on cheap ARM chips, right? I think GZDoom was ported to ARM for Apple M1 so it's theoretically possible if you can build the dependencies.

It's significantly easier to port simpler ports like Chocolate Doom.

[ornate vortex]

Nuts3 is making me suffer tryna uv max it

Just pains me when I lose 15 minutes of my life to some stupid cyberdemon getting stuck

[steel lion]

hey,do you know a good source port for more classic style doom?

[halcyon willow]

Crispy doom is the go to for most people

Or chocolate doom

If by classic you mean vanilla

[steel lion]

yeah

[finite crag]

Isn’t chocolate doom designed for that?

[halcyon willow]

Ye

Crispy is more widely used though

Easier to set up

[steel lion]

because i got bored of using zdoom and i want to play more vanilla like

[narrow condor]

I mean, you can always set up GZDoom to be more vanilla.

That's what I do.

[dapper flint]

There's ways to emulate vanilla which I do but for real chonk crispy is the way to go

[slate wedge]

[uneven fox]

🦞

lobster

[slim willow]

losbter

[dapper flint]

Ahhhhhh

[tired dawn]

guys what's a Terry's mod?

[pearl osprey]

Something that you don't want to play

basically any shitpost mod

Terry is a pseudonym for a group of Doom mappers known for creating a genre of maps called "Terrywads". Terry debuted with UAC Military Nightmare and has since released a stream of single level wads utilizing the "terry trap" - a Doom map equivalent of an Internet screamer. Because of this, many community members consider this collective identity to be one of the worst wad authors in existence.

[lunar chasm]

I just got Chocolate Doom. It runs better than GZDoom

At least on my behalf

[lost galleon]

you gave me a terrifying idea

[dapper flint]

Most likely just for you

Depends on your pc though. Cpu gpu all that

Gz runs better than anything for me

[ornate vortex]

Oh dear lord, i've only just gone and beaten nuts3 on uvmax (god help me)

[lost galleon]

hold on

i have some settings for you

this worked for me well

Preffered Rending API: Vulkan

Resolution Scale: Lowest Possible Scale
Fullscreen: No
Verticle Sync: Off

[slim willow]

If you're looking for vanilla Doom, Chocolate is way better for that than GZ.

[lost galleon]

that too

[slim willow]

Can't run big mods on it though

[lunar chasm]

Yeah, can't run SIGIL, apparently. Something with the MIDI

[slim willow]

try sigil_compat?

[lunar chasm]

Yeah, those didn't work either.

[slim willow]

You can run it on Crispy Doom though.

Which is like Chocolate but has widescreen and stuff

You can set it to super boomer mode too but it has a little more wad support.

[lunar chasm]

Ah, well I'm re-installing GZDoom on my MacBook (which is probably the reason GZ runs like shit).

Hold on.

[slim willow]

Vanniles I had this same shit happen to me while trying to do Linux GZDoom.

Forgot what I did to fix it if I ever did

[lunar chasm]

lmao

Guess I'll stick with Chocolate Doom

[dapper flint]

If I try to record on any other port than gz with its 30 or uncapped frame option it looks like dog shit in a blender

[finite crag]

send me your favorite doom mod and ill review it

[slim willow]

Sunlust

[finite crag]

9.9/10 from the bit i played i really like the map design and combat but after awhile i starts to feel boring but other then that amazing mod

[azure nimbus]

have you played flotsam or Legion of the Balls of Steel

[finite crag]

nah im new to the modding scene lol

[dapper flint]

One of my favorites right now is knee deep in knee deep in z doom

Really fun

That and 1000 lines community project 3

[dapper flint]

🧌

[azure nimbus]

lil bit

[vestal flare]

hey guys, recently I've been thinking about wanting to port some of the maps from reelism 1 over to reelism 2. does anyone have any idea how I would go about doing this? and would it be hard?

[finite crag]

not really sure what your meaning put hopefully this could help a little bit https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/118592-how-can-i-pack-multiple-maps-into-one-wad-file/

[vestal flare]

reelism is a series of reel-based enemy wave type mods, and my question is that I would like to take some of the maps from the original mod, edit them a little, and put them into a submod which works for the new mod, if that clears things up a bit

also I will save that

[halcyon willow]

You're better off asking the mod creator. Kinsie I believe but check the credits file.

[vestal flare]

It is kinsie but idk how I could do that

I guess Twitter or the forums

If there’s a discord that would be easiest I think

[halcyon willow]

Discord, doomworld, zdoom forums, Twitter. Lots of options

[merry cypress]

I made a collection of mods with pbr graphics and terrain splashes and A LOT MORE if u want to try it just ping me (gzdoom and gles 3.2 only)

[nimble talon]

Im not gonna lie, i had a really big blast when playing doom 1993

even without mods it's brilliant

[dapper flint]

Especially *

[royal heron]

classic will always stay a classic

[finite crag]

It was fun

[toxic root]

Pistol starting all of E1 made me appreciate more how exquisite it truly is, meanwhile pistol starting E2 & 3 made me double down on my negative opinions towards those maps generally

[tardy raven]

agreed.

[toxic root]

E4 has its issues in the form of levels 1 through 3 but it was quite nice

3 wasn't as bad, but I really had to strategize to get a hundred percent

[tardy raven]

yea

[toxic root]

I couldn't even get all the kills on e4m1

[tardy raven]

I did.

It was NOT easy

[toxic root]

I probably could've but I just did not wanna put up with trying

[tardy raven]

I must say however, DOOM classic was a great game overall

[toxic root]

With that said I did get all kills all items and all secrets on literally every other map

On fast monsters no less

Doom 1 and 2

[tardy raven]

I gave up on secrets. too many

[toxic root]

Doing TNT Evilution and god I already hate it

this should not have been a commercial release at all

Not because they promised for it to be free originally but because it's so fucking awful

I can get Plutonia costing money

[tardy raven]

TNT Evilution?

[toxic root]

But I should be getting paid to play this trash

[toxic root]

One of the two halves of final doom

[tardy raven]

Oh, the dlc's. my bad

[toxic root]

do not play tnt

it sucks harder than i suck a golfball through a garden hose

[finite crag]

Really? I had fun with it, although there are a few very stupid sections

[tardy raven]

I never played final doom.

[toxic root]

Play Plutonia

[tardy raven]

I have no way of playing it which is sad.

[finite crag]

I’m in the middle of plutonia rn and it is destroying me

[toxic root]

it's hard but fair, like sergeant hartman from full metal jacket

[finite crag]

Plutonia is sick so far because each combat encounter feels like a puzzle to think your way out of

Which is one thing tnt definitely doesn’t have to be fair

[azure nimbus]

if you have doom2, final doom comes with it. It even comes with doom1 now. I suppose if you're on some old version outside of steam or new consoles, you won't get it

[tardy raven]

I have doom 2. though final doom did not come with it.

I have it on xbox series S

[finite crag]

You can download it

[tardy raven]

Let's check

[finite crag]

There’s an add on menu

[tardy raven]

Honestly, this is about my first time texting in a public discord server and on my favorite games so, the fact that the community is friendly is epic

I checked, nothing, I even searched up final doom.

[finite crag]

Add on menu in the game’s main menu? It should have like 10 different add ons you can download. Two of which are the Final Doom expansions.

[azure nimbus]

it'll be listed as The Plutonia Experiment and TNT Evilition

[tardy raven]

k let's check

[slim willow]

@tardy raven it is in the addons menu

[tardy raven]

I'm searching

[royal heron]

I heard TNT

[slim willow]

Final Doom was a collection of TNT: Evilution and The Plutonia Experiment

[royal heron]

the worst maps in TNT are easily the mill and habitat

[tardy raven]

Can't find it. is it on xbox series S/X?

[slim willow]

TNT and Plutonia are in the addons menu

There's no addon called "Final Doom"

[tardy raven]

I still can't find it. damn.

Is it on pc?

[slim willow]

It's Just TNT and Plutonia in the addons menu

[azure nimbus]

it's on pc but it's also on xbox. I have the same series S as you

[tardy raven]

Oh.

[royal heron]

Final Doom is just what they're called bundled together

[slim willow]

Yeah...

[royal heron]

by themselves they're TNT Evilution and The Plutonia Experiment

[finite crag]

Yup, Xbox

[tardy raven]

I can't find them, what do I search on xbox?

[azure nimbus]

Wait, I think I realized why you cant find it. There are two tabs for addons

[royal heron]

TNT Evilution is just bad, but if you want to play it for the experience go ahead
Plutonia is considered the hardest IWAD so you better buckle up and polish off your skills

[azure nimbus]

one is "installed" and the other is "available". you need to look in the available tab

[tardy raven]

Alright.

[azure nimbus]

accessed through I believe left bumper(could be right)

[tardy raven]

we ARE talking about doom 2 classic not doom 2 right?

[dapper flint]

[slim willow]

Not the 360 XBLA port

[tardy raven]

so doom 2 (classic)?

[finite crag]

The ports from 2019

[slim willow]

It's probably called that. If it's in 16:9 widescreen then yeah that is it.

[tardy raven]

I'm looking at full library, can't find it.
This is quite aggrivating

[slim willow]

It's in the game itself

[tardy raven]

yea, the 2019 port.

[dapper flint]

Not very many options in unity should be easy to find

[slim willow]

theres a "addons" option on the same screen where you would hit "singleplayer"

[tardy raven]

Alright, let's try once more then.

lemme see

I see it.

I'm just dumb, thanks. I found the addons

[azure nimbus]

EASY first try

[slim willow]

You need to link a Bethesda.net account for addons btw. Which is shitty but 🤷‍♂️

[finite crag]

Just gotta download and activate them

[azure nimbus]

least on pc you don't have to deal with any of the bethesda nonsense. right click to manage files and pull out doom.wad, doom2.wad, tnt.wad, plutonia.wad and toss them into a modern fanmade source port(that is frankly more loyal to the classic 1990s versions while also running better and having more features) and you never have to deal with the annoying bethesda stuff again(idk how to pull the files from the xbox app on pc though)

[slim willow]

You can also steal the other unity wads too on PC

[dapper flint]

Got my wad files from actual physical copies. They are pure

[finite crag]

@tardy raven also worth it are Sigil and No Rest For the Living

[slim willow]

Which is stupid and kinda pointless but you can do it.

[dapper flint]

Not worth it is no end in sight

[azure nimbus]

yeah doesn't unity use the bfg edition wad files despite having the original files in the folder

[slim willow]

no end in sight is legendary!!!

[azure nimbus]

no end in sight ended when I got bored 😎

[slim willow]

it uses its own wads

which have most of the BFG changes but they made E4M1 able to be 100% completed

and green crosses instead of pills on the medikits

wolf levels censored but theres actual wolfenstein enemies now

[azure nimbus]

oh was e4m1 NIN secret completely inaccessible in bfg whereas in unity it just doesn't have the NIN symbol

[slim willow]

yeah pretty sure it was entirely broken. would need to double check again

[finite crag]

I always laugh when I see “wad”

[tardy raven]

I'm gonna install them then

[slim willow]

where's all the data?

doom's data comes in the ".wad" file format

[royal heron]

honestly wad is such a creative name

[slim willow]

very memorable

hear it once and it sticks

[finite crag]

I prefer to see it in immature 12 year old ways

[royal heron]

in the end it's all just a bunch(a wad) of data

[azure nimbus]

one of the weirdest things for unity is that there is a separate keybind for weapon 8 despite it not having any purpose. At least in boom, you can have your weapon 8 and weapon 1 binds meaningfully do different things because of the way swaps are coded in boom. Sr50 being automated does make sense for a casual port. But then not allowing custom binds on console(ie not having binds for bfg or pistol or fist/chainsaw) is ridiculous when there are custom binds for everything on pc even with controller AND the console port for doom64 has binds for everything

and I don't think it has a VMM option

[dapper flint]

At this point unitys Controller is probably like 4th best I've tried so far

[slim willow]

So glad Nerve Software is clearly done making ports. Nightdive did Doom 64 and Quake and I am much happier with their work.

[azure nimbus]

Nerve is an inverse TNT. NRftL is great but their port is...questionable

[slim willow]

BFG Doom is definitely odd yeah.

[azure nimbus]

TNT's tnt -- my opinion on that is known, but boom is fantastic.

[slim willow]

Yep, can't hate Team TNT. They made Boom.

[azure nimbus]

I like the new quake port but I've never played the dos version or fanmade ports so it's not like I'd know how loyal it is. Though I did have occasional lag and deathmatch was unplayable with heavy lag

[tardy raven]

What's the BEST addon for doom 2? funniest I mean

[slim willow]

It has some noticable differences but it doesn't feel not Quake.

It feels pretty nice. Some of the enhancements don't like cooperating though.

[azure nimbus]

funniest? maybe Jimmy's Deathless? Sigil or BTSX is probably the strongest sets on the list though

[tardy raven]

Noted

[azure nimbus]

If you like what you see, consider getting the game on pc. it goes on sale for what, $5, every so often and that gives you access to 30 years of fan content. What fans have done is really amazing. If you check out decino's ||or my|| youtube, you can get a peak at what modern mappers have made. On console, you're limited to whatever small selection the devs give you

[slim willow]

Sigil, No Rest for the Living, Plutonia, BTSX 1 and 2, and Syringe I think are the "best" on Unity in terms of addons. Opinion based assessment.

[tardy raven]

also noted

[azure nimbus]

syringe is bad cuz it's hard to spell

[slim willow]

True!!

[tardy raven]

are the doom 2 addons cannon?

[royal heron]

yes

[tardy raven]

Guess I'm playing them as well when I'm done with doom 2

[slim willow]

some are

[azure nimbus]

the canon is a mess. don't worry about it

[tardy raven]

On god

How do I beat map 4 on doom 2?

I'm stuck on the red key-card

[azure nimbus]

You're not playing a narrative thriller here. The "story" is whatever Tom Hall wrote in the doom bible and then was mostly scraped combined with whatever Sandy Peterson wrote in text screens combined with whatever John Romero tweets every so often

[tardy raven]

True

[azure nimbus]

near the start of the room with the red key is a switch. it changes the lights in the hallway of the previous room. But near that switch is a tiny box. step on it to lower a crate in the center of the room which acts as a lift to the red key

[slim willow]

Really just know 1, 2, and 64 are confirmed canon. Anything else, just use your imagination I guess.

[tardy raven]

k, thanks

[tardy raven]

2016 and eternal are 100% cannon

and doom 3 is apparently an alternative universe

[slim willow]

Oh yeah! I was meaning for the 90s games though.

Doom 3 is an alternate universe yeah. Doesn't really fit anywhere

[tardy raven]

It fits.

In it's own world.

[azure nimbus]

doom3 is on the moon whereas doom1 is canonically in Yangshuo China

[slim willow]

Achstually Doom 3 is on Mars City 🤓

[azure nimbus]

is that not on mars

Not trying to um aktually you. I did not pay attention to the story at all

[slim willow]

Real Doomers know where SKY1 was photographed

[tardy raven]

Is it fr? I Thought doom 1 was on mars

[azure nimbus]

real doomers took the sky1 photograph

[slim willow]

Doom 3 isn't a Mars moon it is actually Mars

[tardy raven]

True

It legit says Mars

[slim willow]

Doom 1 takes place on both Mars moons and Hell. Or that's what the UAC wants you to believe!!

[tardy raven]

SHIT

[azure nimbus]

yeah but the first moon of mars is in a chinese cave

[slim willow]

Mars is inside China

[azure nimbus]

just one of the moons

[slim willow]

True

[tardy raven]

Yo, join me in a call and show me what to do, I'm show you my screen

afk quickly

Voice 3. That's where I am./

[dapper flint]

Plutonia is a Canon

[slim willow]

It's in the manual

[dapper flint]

Poor guy hahahahah

[tardy raven]

Why does doom 1 and 2 have such peaceful music for a game like how it is

[narrow condor]

They wanted the music to be more suspenseful than action-packed, I suppose.

[finite crag]

Yeah I’ve always found that weird, cause IMO songs like At Doom’s Gate, Kitchen Ace, and Running from Evil are what ideal doom music sounds like

Just matches the experience perfectly

But to be fair those songs also play during very fast paced levels, as opposed to more suspenseful songs for levels where you’re carefully clearing out a facility or something

[grim gazelle]

I just got doom mobile, time for some easy WRs 😎

Oh no I didn’t think that the stick and door opening button would be on the same side

I think you can hook up a controller

[tardy raven]

There's a mobile variant?

I fr didn't know that.

[austere barn]

i wanna play mobile doom

[tardy raven]

I didn't know doom had a mobile port even

[austere barn]

i mean i knew that it was possible do make a port of doom to mobile

and there was a doom game long time ago in mobile

[tardy raven]

What was the name? I'd never heard of it.

[austere barn]

doom RPG i think

[tardy raven]

ah

wow, doom 1 really is on mobile

that's new information for me.

[austere barn]

and there was a game called mighty doom (idk if it even was on mobile)

[pearl osprey]

It was a thing but iirc it's region locked

[tardy raven]

That's dumb.

What region?

[pearl osprey]

I believe only some parts of US

[tardy raven]

gonna have to look it up

[pearl osprey]

You can get both Doom 1 and 2 on google play, but if you own them already on PC you can instead buy Delta Touch, an app that not only can run doom I and II but any doom IWAD or mod

[tardy raven]

Noted

[dapper flint]

Most of the music is inspired by 90s heavy metal actually Metallica and so on. Maybe the fact they're in midi form is confusing you

[grim gazelle]

Yeah

[tardy raven]

Probable

[slim willow]

midis are cool

[tiny goblet]

wads are fun

has anyone played slith

[slim willow]

Not yet. Right now I'm playing through Plutonian Sunrise which is a cool Autumn themed wad.

[tiny goblet]

Slith is 4 levels

Really short but fun

[slim willow]

Is it hard?

[tiny goblet]

Its like this

Level 1 is easy, level 2 is medium to hard, level 3 medium and level 4 is ultra nightmare

And i was playing on hmp

Overall quite difficult

[slim willow]

[tiny goblet]

I should replay it

Its really fun tho

Cruel but fun, something like a mix between plutonia and sunlust

[slim willow]

I will check it out. Thanks!

[tiny goblet]

Yeah

[narrow condor]

Looks like it was updated to have five maps.

[pine panther]

anyone here played no sleep for the dead? its a 10-map wad that replaces EP1 (and e2m1) of Ultimate Doom, and its incredible

although, e2m1 is brutal and completely unfair

[azure nimbus]

is it worth checking out? doom1 pwads are exceedingly rare

[pine panther]

its really good, and really has that doom ep 1 feeling

[pine panther]

e2m1 is absolutely brutal though, according to ultimate doom builder there's 52 imps, 23 shotgunners, 13 pinkies, 9 cacodemons, 6 barons, and 5 specters.

i had to punch one of the barons to death, although you do get a berserk pack so it wasnt too risky

i should clarify, thats on UV

[azure nimbus]

that's not that much no?

I suppose if you get little ammo. ugh If I'm saying it doesn't sound too bad I should try it to back that up

[pine panther]

just try it lmao

[azure nimbus]

don't need to load the dehacked separately right

[pine panther]

nope

just load nos4dead.wad in and play

[azure nimbus]

complevel 3 gaming

[pine panther]

lmao nice

[azure nimbus]

I'll make a video for this. gimme a minute lamo

[pine panther]

aight

[azure nimbus]

https://youtu.be/p0adP_CujNk

[pine panther]

watchin

its processing goddamit

ill check again after breakfast

gj goddamn

since uv max, I assume you played it through a few times before recording that?

i think thats the DSDA source port?

[dapper flint]

I usually like to practice a map a few times before recording. This map looks pretty doable blind though

[tribal crest]

hello there! i bought the 1993 edition yesterday since its for sale and looked kinda cool (im into old stuff), i enjoy the game so far. i am at the "second chapter" i guess? Its called "The Shores of Hell". However, i found 2 exits in 1 level, do they lead to different levels or smth? for 1 i needed 1 key, for the other one 3.

[finite crag]

There are secret levels in Doom

Although there is one level that has a fake exit which could be e2m1

I don’t remember for certain though

[azure nimbus]

I just played it once blind then recorded

[azure nimbus]

try the single key one ||it's a trap ||

[tribal crest]

yup! 2 ran straight into my face lol

[tribal crest]

i found 1 already, may play it again and look for more

[tribal crest]

Ive finished The Shores of Hell now and it said the last chapter (Inferno) is starting now, eventhough there is another one called "Thy Flesh Consumed". whats up with that?

[azure nimbus]

the original 1993 release was not sold in stores and only had three episodes. After doom2 was sold in stores in 1994, ID decided to rerelease doom1 as "ultimate doom" in stores with an extra fourth episode

[tribal crest]

ohh

i see

this game is really good, thinking about its release date

do you guys think the new ones are worth it too?

[finite crag]

Absolutely

All of them

[dapper flint]

All doom games have something to offer

[slim willow]

Even TNT

?

[azure nimbus]

tnt offers empty space

[finite crag]

I had fun with it

It isn’t perfect but I will defend its name

Tons more fun than something like doom 3 imo

[slim willow]

Heresy

[finite crag]

I still need to play Doom 2 and 64

[tribal crest]

Which game is (in your opinion) the best, and which one the worst?

doom ofc

[dapper flint]

They all amazing

[pearl osprey]

It's hard to really answer I love all of them

But I am not a fan of doom 3

[dapper flint]

[slim willow]

Doom 3 is only for the epic people

[slim willow]

Aince you liked Doom 3 you'll especially enjoy 64 haha.

[finite crag]

Not a fan of the soundtrack but doom 64’s level design is absolutely top notch

Some of the most consistently good in the series actually

[azure nimbus]

the hell knight

[tribal crest]

after chapter 1 (1993) the levels get really long & tricky

some times i need 10+ mins eventhough par says 5

[dapper flint]

In the doom community we usually refer to them as episodes

[azure nimbus]

Those are set by Romero running they as fast as he could after making them even adding 30. no worries if you're new

[tribal crest]

phew

literally bought it yesterday

[tribal crest]

what are the red flying balls called?

[pearl osprey]

cacodemons

[tribal crest]

yeahhh

thanks

[azure nimbus]

tomato

[vivid jetty]

Meatballs

[azure nimbus]

those would be the pain elementals. Don't let the "standing in the same x,y position as a monster"/"monster over monster" fool you, monsters have a height and z position

[royal heron]

after trying to get a 9 on E1M1 again, I am reminded as to how much the run sucks balls

[azure nimbus]

ever considered going for records of old versions like e1m1

[azure nimbus]

you might be interested in tyson demos. other weaopns can be picked up but not used on enemies(I think firing them is allowed, not sure). rules are only fist, chainsaw, pistol

[azure nimbus]

that's not really a thing. Submit demos if you like but it isn't a category on dsda yet

[royal heron]

Speaking of speedrunning, I made a sort of in-depth tutorial for anyone who's struggling or want to try the E2M6 void glide, which I'll soon post in #speedrunning

It's definitely interesting, considering shotgunners and chaingunmers alike dropping shotguns and chainguns respectively

If you're not careful, you could accidentally pick them up

[azure nimbus]

having played more doom -- shotgunners are so weirdly designed. zombiemen are too weak to pose a threat outside of massive massive hordes. So that leaves shotgunners and chaingunners as the pressure unit hitscan: shotgunners, since they fire in bursts are much more variable compared to chaingunners as well as still being somewhat too weak and they drop way too much ammo(more than 9 times the damage required to kill them is returned to you as shell ammo) whereas chaingunners don't overstock your ammo and are a threat but also don't instagib you if you get unlucky with an insta 40 -- thought about this after playing some doom1 today re nosleepforthedead e2m1

[azure nimbus]

https://youtu.be/boXSIaiVgVo?t=656 big jump here. sr50 is a good idea

when you sr50, you'll land at the central edge of the green part of the hud. If you are on console or the pc unity port(the one on steam), it's as simple as running diagonally(W+D or left stick diagonal top right). On other ports more faithful to the original release like dsda or woof, you'll have to also have "strafe on" active and either moving the mouse to the right or using a separate turn right key.

Basically, doom will do vector addition on your horizontal and forward movement. So if you go the maximum forward speed of 50 and the maximum normal strafe speed of 40, you'll be traveling at a <50,40> vector. But doom from the beginning had two ways to strafe right: press strafe right OR use the turn right key while strafe on is active(strafe on makes your turning keys into strafe keys). If you use both simultaniously, your rightward movement will be 50 units

[zenith berry]

What if there are maps that requires you to pick a weapon like it or not to progress throughout?

[azure nimbus]

picking up weapons is banned but jumping isn't lamo

diagonally

you'll go sqrt(2) * normal speed

the coop is local only

[royal heron]

ayee, got that 18.20 on E2M6

took me about an hour thereabouts, 416 attempts

[hexed escarp]

Is infinite from the tnt OST in the time signature of 15/4?

[dapper flint]

Did they patch share play? Used to be a laggy mess

[hexed escarp]

When you get doom 2 on switch do you get all of the add-ons available in the PC version?

[finite crag]

Yeah all you need is a bethesda account and you’re good

[hexed escarp]

Awesome

I just bought it on switch for local coop because it was on sale

[finite crag]

Good choice

I would suggest messing with the settings a little

I don’t like the defaults much

[hexed escarp]

The control settings?

[finite crag]

Yeah stuff like that

And just the volumes and stuff

Is Doom 2 basically without any story, like Doom 1?

[hexed escarp]

The engine is identical, but there are a ton of new enemies and one new weapon

And in general the levels are much larger in scale

[finite crag]

I’m planning to start it soon

[slim willow]

yeah

even less i would say. theres not even an episode selection its just one long campaign with a few text screens here and there

[finite crag]

I’m probably going to start it after I finish rage

[vale gyro]

god, I have not played doom in a while, raged at map10 I think and just quit for a bit

[azure nimbus]

map10 be like "hmm today I will have 3 hidden nonsecrets and triple tag another

[finite crag]

Is Quake 1 generally the same idea as Doom? No real plot, just basically fighting monsters who have invaded earth?

[azure nimbus]

it's even less clear what's going on tbh.

quake justifies massive changes in texture style by "dimension warping"

[slim willow]

yeah basically

[finite crag]

Soldiers, demonic “otherworldly” creatures, the usual?

I don’t mean that in a bad way at all

[slim willow]

yessir

we have stuff outta lovecraft's works now too

[finite crag]

So “Quake” is the name of the evil monster race itself. I never knew that.

[azure nimbus]

I thought quake was the boss monster at the end

[finite crag]

I remember playing Quake 4 back when it came out. I can’t remember if I finished it or not. Either way, I was clueless about the series.

[narrow condor]

Quake is even worse than Doom in terms of plot because they recycled the trademark Quake for completely unrelated games just for brand recognition.

Quake 3 lightly retconned some plot connection between Quake, Quake 2 and Doom through parallel universes and stuff but it practically has no plot to speak of itself. Quake 4 continues Quake 2's plot but it's developed by Raven Software instead of id Software, so they just gathered what they could and ran with it.

So the 'Quake plotline' is a combination of Quake's plot, Quake 2's plot (and its non-id sequels' like Quake 4 and Enemy Territory: Quake Wars) and copious amounts of plot glue combining the two (with some implication that all id games share the same multiverse, starting from Commander Keen).

[finite crag]

https://tenor.com/view/uhmhmn-sarcasm-sarcastic-gif-19429002

[slim willow]

Yeah Quake isn't really a series.

In the same way Doom is

Doom has a set standard of who you are fighting and what you're fighting them with. Quake kinda goes all over the place.

[vast reef]

not "kinda"

quake is all over the place

the only thing that connects across games is the strogg

and being multiplayer-only

[frosty crypt]

Small Question :
Im Currently Playing the OG Doom but now in E3M6 i have gotten myself Stuck in a Building and i cant get Out, maybe im Just Not Seeing Something but i cant seem to be able to open the door.
Anyone know Something that could Help me ?, Are some Screenshots or recordings needed ?

Nevermind,i found the Hidden exit

[dapper flint]

Just shoot and kill the bad things

[finite crag]

Sounds right

[hexed escarp]

Which map is best for deathmatch including all of the maps in doom 2 and in the official add ons

I tried some of the sigil ones and they were fun

Idk if they are the best tho since I have nothing to compare it to

[azure nimbus]

e1m5 is a popular choice. think map11 is good too(mostly the Romero maps)

[pliant ravine]

hey guys, i am wondering if there's anyone here who would like to try out classic doom multiplayer

i'm even ok with 1v1, just wanna get a feel for what the game is like

[spice radish]

Which is why a Quake 1 reboot could set a new foundation. Give us a good single player and multiplayer. Not to mention there would be much more creative freedom for lore and world building since Quake 1 is pretty bare

[vale gyro]

i might at some point, if you ok using Chocolate or Crispy

[visual relic]

in doom modding what type of sound file type do I need for adding custom sounds

[narrow condor]

Doom itself uses raw PCM to store sound lumps (technically an obsolete format called DMX). Modern source ports support audio encoded in formats like OGG Vorbis, so it depends on what port you're targeting.

[visual relic]

vanilla and gzdoom

(at least gzdoom)

[slim willow]

you can use slade 3 editor to make .wav files into doom sound files

music has to be .mus or .mid format on vanilla

gzdoom has very few (if any) audio restrictions

[visual relic]

if only mp3 would work on it

[narrow condor]

MP3 has been historically avoided like the plague in free software because it was covered in patents until 2017, which is why OGG Vorbis and FLAC used to be the only popular encoding options you could have.

Pretty sure GZDoom supports MP3 music today.

Or rather the sound library it uses.

[visual relic]

I think ill try using ogg

if I forget to do the whole using slade to convert sound files

[vale gyro]

i feel bad about this, but ima save scum the cyber demon on map10

nevermind

did not have to

still feel bad that i have a habit of save scumming

just sucked that I kept losing tons of progress over and over again

ofc, I make exceptions when I’m on a boss or on the first 4 levels

where I do not save scum

otherwise, I do regrettably keep the habit

[weary cedar]

I feel like with doom it's a slightly less egregious sin, most source ports make it incredibly fast to save and it's not like the base game gives a crap if you cheat anyway (unless you're on higher difficulties) I wouldn't sweat it personally

play the game in whatever way makes you happy

[trail ibex]

Are flying enemies being sent flying backwards after being hit a Gzdoom thing

[slim willow]

No

I have heard GZDoom worsens it but I've had it happen on Boom ports and even a bit on more accurate ones like Crispy.

[azure nimbus]

explosions only have horizontal push. the thing that looks like an exception to this but isn't is Archie zaps: the damage pushes you horizontally. the direct hit is hardcoded to have vertical thrust. If gz has monsters bouncing vertically from rockets, that is not vanilla physics. Also, cacoa having "infinite height" (monster height has always been finite but they can't stack so whatever) means that cacos not at the back of the caco cloud don't get pushed far. but in gz, if you have infinite height off, they can get pushed farther if they gave a different height that than the ones behind them

[trail ibex]

What’s the most vanilla settings to play gz on then

[azure nimbus]

vanilla strict + various cosmetic settings to emulates software rendering(hardware can do a pretty decent job at emulating software tbh)

[trail ibex]

Anyways it’s annoying on the pushback thing because I shoot a caco with the bfg and the mf gets launched so far away the tracer shots miss

[azure nimbus]

with that said, to me the point of gz is two things: use hardware to get freelook and ~fly to take screenshots for YouTube thumbnails. 2. play fact mods that heavily modify doom Gameplay.

if you want a more faithful emulation of the doom engine, you're probably better off playing woof or dsda

[trail ibex]

It’s been my port of choice, I have been thinking about trying PrBoom tho

[azure nimbus]

prb is outdated. its successors are prb+ and dsda. Prb will still work ofc.

You can try out a bunch, see what you like. they take like a minute to download and extract and will work with zdl and it's very fast to do your settings. (unlike gz) since these ports rely on emulation standards so you don't have to mess with it at all

[finite crag]

WAD suggestions?

[azure nimbus]

what are you looking for

[finite crag]

A wad that is breathtaking

One that's similar to Eternity, Ancient aliens ect

Oh, a hell castle theme wad would also be nice, I'm surprised I haven't seen a lot of those

[azure nimbus]

fractured worlds (start on hmp) for more abstract visuals, struggle may be closer to evit, and those wads you played are good prep for sunlust if you're interested in giving that a go

[finite crag]

I play stupid hard maps all the time lol

I always play on UV

And I've played sunlust, really really loved it, never got to finish it tho

I stopped playing cuz I had like 1 fps on a level, and it took like an hour to load the map

[azure nimbus]

oh then you're good to try fractured worlds

try dsda or woof instead of a zdoom derived port if you haven't. it'll run smoother

[finite crag]

I haven't heard of dsda

But quite recently I heard of woof

[azure nimbus]

I use it for controller support and the blocky spectres(dsda spectres are very hard to see at higher resolution)

[dapper flint]

I've still seen enemies fly and slide like crazy in gz with boom strict infinite height

And gz will run sunlust ect better than woof and so on with vulkan enabled with hardware acceleration if your pc isn't a lemon. If you have a low performance pc it probably best to stick to ports what preform better with software rendering.

I'm pretty sure gz is pretty taxing with gpu use

[halcyon willow]

Gpu usage depends on the wad

But even gzdoom is still mostly bottle necked by cpu

[dapper flint]

Should have seen me try to play lullaby with my potato top

I've heard this before but there are alot of high demand maps and wads out there. Some have some of the most amazing detail and structure I've ever seen in a game

[halcyon willow]

Yeah that'll be be of the more gpu taxing wads. Models use the gpu more which lullaby has a lot of.

Dynamic lights, certain types of 3dfloors, portals all increase load on gpu

[finite crag]

Yeah no but I play with mods, and I also run the scaling at x4

Gz just doesn't like it ig, my specs is pretty solid imo. 3070 ti, r7 5700x, 32 gb

[halcyon willow]

No that'll be the mods and 4x scaling lol

Even beautiful doom can tank frame rate in slaughter maps (too many extra sprite gibs)

[candid atlas]

anyone got recommendations for mods which make the guns punchier and the game gorier that arent brutal doom?

well like brutal doom alternatives

[limpid zinc]

Project brutality

[finite crag]

Project brutality is cool but like it doesn't let you play in the doom dance

I loooove death4told

[halcyon willow]

Supercharge

Do you have any mods loaded

Mods = anything that changes the actors or behaviors in the game

As opposed to purely additional maps and visual additions

Both

Download a fresh version of gzdoom

[pearl osprey]

Try changing the renderering library

Try Vulkan/OpenGL/GLES and see which one works best

[halcyon willow]

If in doubt, reinstall

[pearl osprey]

^ yeah try a fresh install

[halcyon willow]

In a new folder as well

Incase a setting you've changed is causing it

[halcyon willow]

Shouldn't do

[azure nimbus]

larger fov does mean that more needs to be rendered at once but it shouldn't matter all that much

[vast reef]

or a zip or a pk7

[vast reef]

beautiful doom is pretty good

personally though? smooth doom, hd sounds, and bolognese do it for me

if you want stuff like BD that isn't BD though, look into its forks

brutal doom platinum and schism are pretty good imo

[narrow condor]

All zombies use the same sounds. In fact, a lot of monster sounds are reused throughout the game.

For example, the mancubus uses the same roaming sound as the zombies.

[azure nimbus]

cuz bobby prince made them the same. idk what lore reason we could really ask for here. shotgunners, chaingunners, spiderdemons, and I think wolfss guys also uses that sound

[candid atlas]

I've looked into beautiful doom and I think that might be the right thing for me thanks

[outer sage]

Never knew, played on PS4 port

[azure nimbus]

do they not on ps4?

[dapper flint]

They do

[azure nimbus]

yeah ps4 didn't randomly change the sounds

[fair sandal]

Does anyone have the link for the doom source code?

I’m new to programming and I thought it’d be cool to see it

[pearl osprey]

https://github.com/id-Software/DOOM

Be warned trying to compile this is a pain in the ass

If you just want to take a look go ahead but if you actually want to poke around the code and see what happens you should probably look at Chocolate Doom instead

[steel lion]

why not crispy?

[azure nimbus]

they're going for the original doom source code that choco sticks more closely too

[finite crag]

Playing through final doom has shown me that the seventh level of every classic doom game since 2 is based off of dead simple and I am not complaining

Every map seven is always a blast to play through

[spice radish]

A mega wad that is just Dead Simple 32 times. Nothings changed from the original. It’s just Dead Simple

[spice radish]

Still think it would be funnier if it was just the original Dead Simple 32 times

That probably exists

If it doesn’t I’ll make it

[azure nimbus]

it wouldn't work in vanilla. Dead simple uses a hardcoded map07 tag: when all mancs die in any map07, sectors tagged 666 lower. And when all arachnos die in a map07, sectors tagged 667 rise. You could apply the keen 666 tag to either of them but I don't know how you could emulate the 667 effect

[pearl osprey]

Or create your own sourceport just for it

Dead simple source port

jokes aside you can do it in GZ

[candid atlas]

yo im kinda new to classic doom, ive played through like most of official doom games, doom, doom 2 plutonia ect, sigil, does anyone have any more reccomendations for good doom level packs

i know sigil isnt official im not sure why i said that idk i enjoyed it

[spice radish]

My source port of choice by default for map making

[spice radish]

Alien Vendetta and Valiant are pretty good. I also highly suggest Pirate Doom

[azure nimbus]

decent selection between vanilla wad from the 2000s(AV), a modern "triple A" vanillaish wad with some gameplay changes(Valiant), and a gz total conversion that is mostly for da goofs. Someone trying each of these would have a good idea about the types of levels that they want to play

[dapper flint]

Do you mean from the add on selection?

[slim willow]

AV my beloved

[candid atlas]

it doesnt have to be like an offical addon just anything

[dapper flint]

Which source port are you using

[candid atlas]

gzdoom

[dapper flint]

Three of my favorites I've played lately are lullaby, hurt, and tartarus. Absolutely amazing and only for gz. It'll change your world. You'll need a decent pc though to run them

[candid atlas]

my pc is pretty good dw
Ty for the reccs

voxel doom is pretty good

[zenith berry]

making it is not as easy as what you think. there may be tricks and traps.

[pearl osprey]

Hahahaha

[candid atlas]

hell nah they twinkified the zombie shotgunner

[dapper flint]

https://imgur.com/a/V6xHoNj

@candid atlas just a quick screenshot of lullaby

[candid atlas]

jesus christ that looks good for classic doom

[dapper flint]

Whole map is stunning. Great vibe and Midi too

[azure nimbus]

are those non-right angles in my doom???

[candid atlas]

damn my pcs struggling to run it 💀
i can run half life alyx and elden ring but cant run doom mods

nvm its cause i had the renderer set incorrectly

[pearl osprey]

Doom engine wasn't made for this sort of geometry

so it struggles a lot with high detail maps

[candid atlas]

i suspect alyx is also pretty well optimised

[dapper flint]

Lullaby is pretty taxing

[azure nimbus]

it isn't the doom engine. gz doom is not doom2.exe.

[pearl osprey]

Yeah if you port these maps to source 2 they will perform better

[azure nimbus]

So it's struggling to run on a more advanced engine

[dapper flint]

Lullaby is actually the main reason I decided to retire the laptop and build a pc. Ran like dog shit

[royal heron]

damn

[narrow condor]

FYI: Doom source really isn't the best code to read as a beginner. It's old, it uses outdated practices and there are esoteric performance hacks. (And there are much cleaner rewrites out there.) If you still want to dig into it, I highly recommend the book Game Engine Black Book: Doom as a guide. Without such help, Doom source can be impenetrable for newbie C programmers.

[fair sandal]

Ah cool thanks man

[halcyon willow]

I just wish the combat was a bit spicier

Same with Hurt

But stunning maps regardless

[dapper flint]

Yeah the combat isn't there. More like eye candy than anything

Tartarus definitely has combat though

[halcyon willow]

Chester makes spicy maps

He's the lead level design for hellslinger now

[dapper cliff]

Hi there, I'm new at this Community. I was wondering how to put Mods on Classic Dooms in Steam. Does anyone know some guide to do it?

[dapper flint]

That's fucking epic !

[dapper flint]

Download ZDL and a source port

Extract doom.wad and doom2.wad from the steam folder

Throw it into the sourceport folder. Launch zdl and add the wad files and the soureport you're using

If you're using mods you'll want to get GZdoom

[azure nimbus]

remember to put doom2.wad in the iwad section and your"mods" in the other spot. probably"files" or "pwads"

[dapper cliff]

Uh, sounds a little confusing. What is a source port and GZDoom?

[slim willow]

A "source port" is a fan made Classic Doom port built off of the Doom source code that exist to make the game playable on modern computers. Almost all of these ports have enhancements in some way for more advanced modding and a more customizable game by adding in a ton of new options. To put it simply: enhanced unofficial versions of Doom with more options and mod support. The cool thing, there are a ton. There are multiple lineages of ports with different enhancements and default settings, and more nerdy stuff.

GZDoom is one of these ports and easily has the most advanced modding capabilities. You can play the majority of things made with it.

[dapper cliff]

Sounds really cool in your world. So, GZDoom is one of those Source Ports, and I need it to play with mods with ZDL. There's an official page to download them? And, does Steam add up the hours of gameplay when playing Doom with these applications?

[azure nimbus]

steam only adds up hours if you play on its version. I would include anything that isn't the dos release as a "port".

The most final download page for mods is idgamesarchive. You can often find work in progress releases on doomworld forums though. Depending on what mod you want to play, that affects which source port is most appropriate. Heavier gameplay changes like piratedoom will only run on gzdoom whereas a mappack like scythe will run fine on a more "vanilla" port like dsda. ofc, if you like jumping and freelook, just use gz all the time

[dapper cliff]

Uh, more than anything, I want to use Mods to make the gameplay experience faster like in Doom 2016, and how you put it, to jump and look free. But I'm also interested in some kind of remastering of the maps and weapons to make them look a bit more stylized without abrupt changes, like Brutal Doom.

[spice radish]

The only real mod like Brutal Doom would be Project Brutality I guess

There are a ton of great weapon overhaul mods though

[dapper cliff]

Oke, I download ZDL from moddb.com? I found a ” ZDL Final Fox Version ” from 2017

But, there's a 2019 version too, the 3-1.1

ah, damn. What should I download?

[dapper flint]

3.1

[dapper cliff]

Uh, so, I guess I should choose the Win_x86.zip, and the Source code (zip) right?

[dapper cliff]

[jaunty marsh]

I'm so bad at this game but I love it

[vale gyro]

I know I’m late and you already figured it out probably, but you only get the x86 version (or the version for your system), the source code is an un-built version of the other file you downloaded

Also, ZDL is (heavily) recommended but not needed, as I don’t use GZDoom often, I use .bat files to load everything as I like suffering

[finite crag]

Hello, I just bought a gaming laptop
How do I play doom with all the custom maps
Need help setting it up

[finite crag]

What do you mean by “all the custom maps”

[azure nimbus]

people make levels outside of official id levels and addons. look at the last conversation. happened to be on that topic

[pearl osprey]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34HfmGvUJIM

[vast reef]

my go-to source of fast-paced doom mod fun for a saturday afternoon is zmovement, a monster randomizer mod, a slaughtermap i can handle, and probably trailblazer

zmovement lets you emulate movement from other games

i personally find it a bit lacking with the options sometimes but hey! dusk movement in doom!

[vale gyro]

First off, you need a map. Most maps are for Doom 2, but some (like Sigil) require Ultimate Doom, and you would need to figure out which complevel the map needs, which that info can be found in the txt of the map you downloaded. You’ll need a sourceport like PRBoom+ or Woof to emulate the complevels, although, I think GZDoom can emulate those complevels if I’m correct

[vast reef]

i feel like i advertise project malice too much, but it's one of my favorites, if not my favorite monster randomizer

but then again i've tried like four of them :P

[vast reef]

to add on to this, maps are stored in .wad or .pk3 files, but the former's much more common

.pk3's usually used for mods, and maps that just happen to have a lot of fancy features are stored in .pk3 files

complevels are short for compatibility levels, and that's not that complicated

basically there are quite a few versions of the doom engine

they all behave in slightly different ways, and the complevel decides on that behavior

[azure nimbus]

if you're looking for a slaughterwad, check out nosp2(no reason's second speedmapping session). There is a new infinite rocket launcher introduced in ||a secret in map11|| and generally large numbers of enemies killed quickly, a better than valiant chaingun, and vastly increased ammo capacity across the board

[vast reef]

ooh, thanks a lot!

[proud pilot]

tfw i'm playing ashes afterglow and accidentally press fire instead of use so instead of disarming a pipebomb i blow myself up with it

[ornate vortex]

Idgames on doomworld usually has the wads, or alternatively you could go on dsda and search up the wad, and then click on the title to then get the zip file

[dapper flint]

New slaughter map I just played called 200 lines massacre the slaughtering. Goofy slaughter fun

[ornate vortex]

Also, idk if im gonna sound crazy for asking this, but would anyone even consider uv maxing comatose to be possible?

[dapper flint]

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/132567-200-line-massacre-the-slaughtering-new-vanilla-35-map-megawad-rc-13/

[azure nimbus]

is it this? https://dsdarchive.com/wads/comatose

Doomwiki says it's for prb+ but the dsda run is in cl2(vanilla limit removing) so I'm not sure what engine I would use. if I can figure out what to use, I'll consider trying it

[ornate vortex]

dsda would work, since it is prboom related. However i think it only works on opengl

[azure nimbus]

the idgamesarchive release says cl2 so I'll use that

though woof is software only so if that doesn't work, rip. maybe I try it and it's way too hard idk but the stats page doesn't look that bad

[ornate vortex]

I mean, nobody's done a recorded demo of comatose for uv max

maybe because it's ludicrous

[azure nimbus]

Wait 20+ secrets...

[ornate vortex]

23 secrets and all enemies invisible

[azure nimbus]

oh
.. ok nevermind lmao

[ornate vortex]

Yh, this seems crazy

[azure nimbus]

I cry when there is a single spectre

[ornate vortex]

and the fact it's opengl as well

You'd barely see them

I think for someone to do a uv max of it would be pretty insane

[dapper flint]

Ah that's the level on Dean of doom right? Interesting

[ornate vortex]

yeah, mtpain definitely reviewed it at one point

[dapper flint]

Dig the creepy vibe. I'll definitely give it a go some day

[ornate vortex]

Yeah, im gonna try and uv max speedrun it

it’s gonna probs take a lot of planning since the map is huge

it's definitely one of the creepiest wads out there

[dapper flint]

You have a youtube channel? Always like to support speed runners

[ornate vortex]

I do

[narrow condor]

It's definitely possible, just very very tedious.

I imagine it requires quite a bit of preparation though.

[dapper cliff]

what can I do?

There's some video or tutorial to how to configurate it?

[ornate vortex]

definitely, the map is huge, the enemies all need to be found in a guaranteed way and the secrets need to be utilised so that it doesn’t lose any time

i was thinking maybe splitting the map into smaller sections that I could focus on each before I exit the map

but at the same time, i need to prioritise getting weapons

[dapper flint]

What are you configuring

[vale gyro]

I think I watched a video you made on this exact map actually, might try this now I know the name

Actually, nevermind

thinking of the wrong thing

my ||(pretty fucking stupid)|| mistake

[azure nimbus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq2Z6IVxvYM& I did do the first level. I've beaten the first 11 so far but only posted the first. the rest are coming soon

[vale gyro]

I was thinking of your most recent video you made, the infinite rocket launcher reminded me of it

[azure nimbus]

ah. that's part of why I'm playing nosp2 now, since it has that thing that was in legion and spectrum

[vale gyro]

wonder why people put it in their maps if it bugs the shell ammo count

[azure nimbus]

if you have an infinite rocket launcher, shells aren't really a concern(particularly if you don't even put shotguns in your level)

though if you would like to get rid of that bug, A1s is running a community project using the weapon but with the mbf21 standard which fixes the issue

[vale gyro]

know what would be kinda fun?

Infinite rocket launcher, ton of cybers

no what, with my recently acquired mapping skills, I could do that

[azure nimbus]

cybers not taking splash means youre still spending 40 or so rockets per cyber so keep that in mind

[vale gyro]

I’m aware of that

no, wait, I have a better idea

Infinite Plasma

[azure nimbus]

one of the major draws of the inf rocket launcher is the fire rate. gimme super fast plasma lol

[vale gyro]

oh

I will make it even faster firing than the original

the map will have no point except to just murk cybers

[dapper cliff]

How can I make Steam accumulate game hours while playing GZDoom?

[pearl osprey]

Library -> Add a game -> Add a Non-Steam Game...

Keep in mind you have to launch GZDoom from steam every time

[toxic root]

alien vendetta kinda sucks

[rotund dew]

Done with sunlust. The viles up in the towers, in the last arena, deserve a special place in hell just for them.

[toxic root]

still better than tnt but

that isnt saying much at all

[rotund dew]

and I hated the baron of hell fight, spam rockets at tanky enemies until they die, that was pretty boring

[toxic root]

its like if plutonia and tnt hate fucked

[rotund dew]

if you want a fun wad play going down

[toxic root]

already did, good shit

also played doom 2 in name only/in spain only

cant remember if i played doom 1 in name only tho

but yeah, not a big fan of av

[azure nimbus]

AV is a decent set but it definitely shows age at times

[toxic root]

its not even the fact that its basic looking, its just that i hate some of the other design aspects of it

seriously, its the type of megawad that cant decide what kind of megawad it wants to be

one map youll face at most a hundred enemies and then one or two later youre up against half a thousand

not to mention some of the straight up asshole level design

literally got jumpscared by a revenant in a tight narrow corridor and immediately punched for half my health

most influential wad of all time my ass

[rotund dew]

if you want the gargantuan challenge, might as well go all out sunder

that one was actually influential, insane slaughtermaps with nice architecture and doom's engine pushed to the limit

recent ones I played were plutonia2, sunlust, going down, overboard, currently playing the doom2 in spain wad

[azure nimbus]

sunder also shows its age in terms of slaughter. stuff like late sunlust, combat shock 2, fractured worlds, nosp2, are less likely to delve into more repetitive slaughter like 2009 sunder

[rotund dew]

sunlust has some bad fights, the one in map 30 where it's you and a rocket launcher vs a bazillion barons is boring

but other ones are pretty good and creative, the prime example is the archvile room in map29

[azure nimbus]

it would be boring if it was easy. But that's the hardest fight of the map imo

it's lengthy on cleanup ofc but I think it earns it with ammo being relevant for both weapons(bfg/rockets), and how tense each turn around is and that they made use of a harder to use enemy

[rotund dew]

it's boring because the enemies are so tanky imo, but it's not easy ofc

it's pretty easy to get surrounded there, or when you want to turn around and they end up blocking your path

[azure nimbus]

das da point

[rotund dew]

the second to last fight gives extra satisfaction when you finally kill those archviles in the towers

and the pain elemental / lost soul cloud is a sight to behold

[azure nimbus]

complevel9 gambing

[toxic root]

sunder isnt rly my thing but at least it doesnt lead you on and decide halfway through it wants to be hard as nails without any gradual buildup in difficulty

kinda hate when megawads do that honestly

[azure nimbus]

almost disagree. the first several levels of sunder are long but not crushingly hard. new sunder is very hard though

[toxic root]

idk, they still give you a taste of what to expect

at the very least

[azure nimbus]

that's fair yeah. "this will be big map gaming"

[toxic root]

quite literally softlocked on this shitty ass level too btw

only have four health and the next area (that has hundreds of pinkies and other enemies that teleport in too) has little to no health

that of which i cant even reach without killing everything without taking damage

god this is fucking ass

its not even my fault either, the level deliberately screwed me over in the most unfair way imaginable

[vale gyro]

look, take a break

[toxic root]

putting an archvile in a narrow ass corridor with no cover

[vale gyro]

your going to make your heart implode damnit

[toxic root]

taking a break = outright quitting the wad = feeling like i not only completely and utterly wasted my time, but also left a bad taste in my mouth

no thanks

oh yeah, and if you get too close to any of the walls they lower and reveal a ton of hitscanners

[dapper flint]

A break is always a good idea

[vale gyro]

Not always

But in this case, yes

Also, how would you rank the difficulty of map11 of doom 2?

[dapper flint]

It's my professional opinion. Taking a breather when a runs not going well is always a good idea

Map 11 is probably like a 4 out of 10 in terms of doom 2 maps

[vale gyro]

Ok

So maybe not too hard?

Still gonna save scum a bit though

That’s what I do with levels I have no experience on

Currently doing a no save scum run of Episode One actually, just as a side note

[dapper flint]

Savings perfectly normal even for practice before a saveless run

[vale gyro]

Autocorrect screwed up that one sentence up pretty bad

Still, gotta improve on my saving habits

Just used to modern games with checkpoints

[toxic root]

kinda hard

beat it first try pistol start on fast monsters tho

what a fucking journey that was

you can slam the chasm all you want but quite frankly barrels o fun is the single worst commercial doom level ever made barring half the maps from tnt

actually scratch that, barring all of tnt

because comparing doom 1 and 2's worst levels to tnt's is like comparing solid gold shit to regular old shit

[azure nimbus]

map11 is one of the easier maps due to the bfg, heath, and bottlenecks, but secret tagging is all over the place. 3 key items are untagged(soulsphere, bulk cell, bfg) but the invis is

[toxic root]

for the longest time (aka until october of this year) i never knew about the soulsphere behind the wall in the staircase room

i was scouring the map for dozens of minutes looking for the last item and said fuck it and loaded up a decino vid

saw him run through the wall into the small alcove and audibly made that one avgn face

mind you ive been playing doom since i was fucking FOUR.

[azure nimbus]

do you want a reaaally hidden item: ||there is a rocket launcher in map28. You have to shoot one of the walls(in the room that you shoot a wall that opens up the exit room). One of the walls lowers a pillar with an untagged RL||

[azure nimbus]

for the longest time (aka until october or november of this year) I never knew about th rocket launcher in the pillar in the sigil room. I was scouring the map for dozens of minutes looking for the RL because there were rocket boxes around the level until a mod in chat told me where it was. Mind you, I've been playing doom2 since late 2020

idk. It wasn't even an evidently ridiculous way for you to say the thing. I just thought it mapped pretty well syntactically and that was funny enough (ie not knowing every nook and using a video every so often is fine and normal and a thing I do)

[vast reef]

gonna play tons of doom tomorrow after i finish my work

[royal heron]

just save

[slim willow]

nothing wrong with saving. nobody is forcing you to do no save runs or anything else more on the serious side

[ornate vortex]

Just walk away from the computer

take a breather

and then come back with a refreshed mindset

[rotund dew]

can't decide between barrels or living end for the hardest doom2 commercial map, but barrels is nasty once you enter the teleporter and spot the pain elementals

[ornate vortex]

Barrels is also a mess of a map

[azure nimbus]

at least for nightmare(excluding final doom), I found 22 to be by far the hardest

[finite crag]

Living end is way harder, barrels just feels luck based

[azure nimbus]

8 or 9 might be the hardest to uvmax

living end gives you a bajillion cells so it's not too bad

[finite crag]

That is a fair point

[azure nimbus]

I suppose you gotta know about the plasma for that but that's doom

[mossy reef]

how do i kill the imp

[finite crag]

you shoot to the sky, give him a punch and insult his fat mother while flipping the bird

[rotund dew]

the start of map4 in doom2 is also pretty nasty

lots of hitscanners, a chaingunner facing you, and no weapons in sight save for the ones in the zombies

[dapper flint]

It's so weird you think that. Might need to replay I guess.

[royal heron]

bruh

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/854794877594501143/1048493475584278619/Screen_Shot_2022-12-02_at_2.14.01_PM.png

3rd freakin 18 I've gotten

nomo, not UV

[finite crag]

Is there any real difference between the green hairs and the guys that look like they have no hair?

[pearl osprey]

Green hair are zombiemen that wield a pistol, Bald are shotgunners who use shotguns

Shotgunners do more damage

[finite crag]

Oh ok. I didn’t even notice the different guns

Do the chain gunners have a unique look too?

[vast reef]

yes

they wear red, are more muscular (or fat, up to you to decide from the sprite), are black, and have beards

[finite crag]

Interesting

[vocal summit]

THAT WAS A BEARD?

i thought it was blood

[mossy reef]

how to kill

[vast reef]

i think it's a beard

now that i think about it it looks way more like blood

[hazy rose]

Sup fam

[vast reef]

hello

[finite crag]

Beard or Blood? Sounds like the name of a game show.

[dapper flint]

Acthutttly they have assault rifles mmkay

https://imgur.com/a/V1n9y4Y

[azure nimbus]

most underrated weapon.

[finite crag]

So, 3 different soldiers

[azure nimbus]

mostly. 3 zombies all with slightly different stats and ai. I the||secret levels, there are wolfenstein ss guys who act as weak chaingunners||

[finite crag]

Do the secret levels serve any purpose?

[dapper flint]

They're levels that are secret

[spice radish]

There really just extra stuff. Not any real purpose

Guess you could say there a reward for exploring levels thoroughly

[pearl osprey]

Bought the entire game, gotta play the entire game

[finite crag]

Word

I still need to play the original Wolfenstein 3-D

[azure nimbus]

The most helpful parts of the secret levels is knowing that every secret exit in a pwad will be in the same level slot unless they're willing to mess around with advanced editors

[ionic sable]

https://youtu.be/IrLQxGCVhxo

[dapper flint]

Hey I know you

[ionic sable]

just like santa delivering gifts I delivered this vid to 30 doom servers lol

[trail ibex]

I’m trying to run Hell Revealed on PrBoom+, and the mod loads in right but the Doom 2 soundtrack plays instead of the WAD’s. How do I fix this?

[finite crag]

Is there a particular map where the “new” doom 2 demons show up?

[slim willow]

As early as 3 you get chaingunners

Hell Knights I know show up in 5

I won't spoil the first Archvile encounter

[azure nimbus]

map06 starts a string of maps that introduce monsters (oh yeah Ig map05 cuz the h^ck knight is new lamo

[finite crag]

Oh man. Hell Knights.

[slim willow]

reskin barons sadly

they are barons with half health and tan skin instead of red

[finite crag]

Haha your right. Exact same.

I wanna try and get through 2 and 64 before year ends

Does 64 have anything unique in terms of demons?

[dapper flint]

Doom 64 ex and ce have new demons. Not base 64 where it's less than doom 2. It does have the mother demon though

[azure nimbus]

the boss enemy ig. while it has otherwise the same bestiary by name, most doom2 enemies are changed significantly to be either slightly or much stronger

[finite crag]

I’m pumped to get started tomorrow.

[vale gyro]

honestly, first archvile on HMP was not too bad

[slim willow]

be prepared. doom 2 has some stinker maps

[vale gyro]

yet again, this was on HMP, not pistol starting

[finite crag]

Hell, the doom 1 maps threw me off. I was completely lost most of the time.

[slim willow]

doom 2 goes bigger and often more weird. good luck

[finite crag]

Those 1993 graphics had me stumped

[vale gyro]

Doom 1 is a maze. Doom 2 is a maze, but at least you have some room to move

[slim willow]

doom 2 has better combat at least

[vale gyro]

With the side affect of it being 10x harder than E3, but still not as annoying as E4

[slim willow]

super shotgun and more demons really does a lot

[vale gyro]

God damnit, I’ll never let go of that grudge on E4

[slim willow]

imo level design is a step down from 1 but thats pretty subjective

[vale gyro]

That reminds me

Have not played Sigil in a while

got scared off by the Cyber in one of the levels

[finite crag]

I was gonna play Sigil, but I decided I should at least do all the base games first.

[vale gyro]

eh, I say Sigil is good to play while your playing Doom 2 here and there

Coming from a person who never finished Sigil

[finite crag]

At first, I was wanting to do everything chronologically story wise. But none of these games have story anyhow.

[vale gyro]

Story, pfft. Who needs story when there are demons to kill?

[finite crag]

Basically just map packs

[ornate vortex]

I beat tangerine nightmare map 6 now

But ive heard goetia is next

How the hell am I gonna uv max goetia without forgetting to do something?

[azure nimbus]

special key gaming

[azure nimbus]

it's especially cool goetia uses a 4th key since it's in vanilla

[dapper flint]

They loosely do. Plutonia and TNT especially. Same with sigil. Personally I really like sigil simple story

[finite crag]

I did end up doing the first couple of Sigil maps before I decided to hold off on the rest. But it was good stuff.

[ornate vortex]

yeah, that secret is really cool

The level itself seems like it should take an hour on casual, but how it plays is pretty interesting

plus roofi did a demo (which I believe took them 17 mins)

[finite crag]

Played the first 5 maps of doom 2 so far

[swift mason]

It goes downhill after the first 8 if i remember

[molten iron]

No it doesnt

[finite crag]

It’s been fine so far. Then again, I’m pretty clueless what constitutes a good map or not.

[finite crag]

Just met my first Revenant, Mancubus, and Arachnotron 🥳

[finite crag]

What’s with map 8 all the sudden lol

[azure nimbus]

read the map name

[finite crag]

I missed it

[azure nimbus]

map name should be shown on the automap. can access it with the tab button

[finite crag]

I’m on Xbox

Tricks and traps?

[azure nimbus]

it's the view/select button

yep

[finite crag]

How clever

[finite crag]

Made it through map 11. And my first Archvile. 😆

Call me insane but plutonia map 11 might be my favourite doom map

The concept is just so awesome and menacing

[narrow condor]

Then you'll love the over-the-top homages to it, such as the map on the same slot in Plutonia 2.

[slim willow]

To be fair Plutonia 2 is Plutonia 2

[narrow condor]

Fair point.

[slim willow]

Normalize Hunted clones but not on map 11.

[craggy bone]

Idea: a megawad where every map is a clone of the most iconic map in its slot

So obviously 07 would be Dead Simple, 11 would be Hunted

[slim willow]

entryway clone

[narrow condor]

Icon of Sin clone :-P

[ornate vortex]

You all forgot about Circle of death and Living end clones

[narrow condor]

And Downtown and The Inmost Dens.

Maybe even Refueling Base.

[vast reef]

does gzdoom have support for rooms above rooms?

assuming it does since in qcde there are rooms above rooms

[narrow condor]

I don't think even GZDoom supports real room-over-room, but it's got enough smoke-and-mirror tricks to accomplish something similar.

[pearl osprey]

Yes

Check out 3D floor

[vast reef]

thanks

[old pumice]

anybody know the name of that one song from the ost (I think doom 1)

that starts with like beeps and boops

[azure nimbus]

doomwiki has the song names

[old pumice]

I'll check that out

wtf

I just found out that he xbox version of the ultimate doom has an entrance to the secret level in E1M1

[vast reef]

also may i ask how close the chocolate doom source code is to the original?

is it comparable to a rewrite that runs on modern systems or does it just replicate the bugs artificially

[azure nimbus]

it is not the same secret level btw. they added that in for just the xbox version. it is not the original secret map, e1m9

[old pumice]

yeah I ended up watching a video on it

some guys making the port put them in secretly cuz they had the opportunity

[azure nimbus]

doom2 on xbox has an extra secret map on it. both are trash

[old pumice]

yeah djnfs

they made them on like the 90s

[spice radish]

There are plenty of maps made in the 90’s that aren’t trash.

[azure nimbus]

the first good map was made 2001 January 1st :(

[narrow condor]

It's a rewrite based on the original source release that deliberately replicates bugs.

[vast reef]

thanks

is the rewritten code more organized than the og engine?

[narrow condor]

I'd say so, yeah.

[vast reef]

i would read it but i haven't had much time lately

[azure nimbus]

could you keep me updated on what you find for the different distance calculations. I know that explosion radius uses the Chebyshev metric but I hear that other distance calculations use a linear approximation of the Euclidian distance